Ep. 69: Drinking With...Kill Bill, Vol. 2

We're back for the sequel! Make "Budd's Margarita" and join McCash as he relives the conclusion to Quentin Tarantino's kung fu western saga alongside Brandon and Stoney. Today, we're drinking with... Kill Bill, Vol. 2

To make Budd's Margarita, you'll need:

-Kosher Salt
-Lime
-1 1/2 oz silver tequila
-1 oz Gran Marnier
-1/4 oz agave syrup

Directions:

1. Spread 2 teaspoons kosher salt in an even layer on a small flat plate.
2. Halve 1 medium lime. Cut 1 lime wedge from one half, then juice the remaining lime pieces until you have 1 ounce.
3. Run the lime wedge over the rim of an Old-Fashioned or margarita glass to moisten.
4. Invert the glass into the salt, turning it as needed, to coat the rim. Fill the glass with ice.
5. Place the lime juice, 1 1/2 ounces blanco tequila, 1 ounce orange liqueur, and 1/4 ounce agave nectar or simple syrup if using in a cocktail shaker.
6. Fill the shaker halfway with ice, seal, and shake until the outside of the shaker is very frosty, about 20 seconds
7. Pour through a fine-mesh strainer into the glass. Garnish with the lime wedge.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
The Sobrose Network presents the Movie podcast, breaking down films
and their impact on pop culture as they approach the
legal drinking age. This is Drinking With Now. Here's your host,
Steven the Cash.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to Drinking With, the podcast where we raise a
glass to the movies that have reached the legal drinking age.
I'm your host, Stephen the Cash of the Sobros Network,
and joined me as we embark on a cinematic journey
through the classics of yesteryear, celebrating their twenty first birthdays
in style. From iconic blockbusters to hitting gems, each episode
will toast to a different film that has stood the

(00:54):
testa time and shaped our cultural landscape. So grab your
favorite beverage or the one we've curated for this episode,
and let's dive into the nostalgia as we explore movies
that are finally old enough to join us for a drink.
Now Joining me is always at the bar. Are the
two best people I can think of to stumble out
of a bar after a long night discussing movies Versus

(01:14):
the resident film critic of the Sobros Network, mister Brandon Vick,
who is also a board member of the Southeastern Film
Critics Association, a board member of the Music City Films
Critics Association, and most importantly right here, he is the
birth giver of the Vick Flicks the Cinema Chronicles podcast
heard here on the Sobros Network. He's also the person
who gave Joker two three stars on Letterbox, so take

(01:37):
that for what it's worth. And then joining him is
the man behind the Sobros Network, the Eice, the glue
of the brand of a Jen Ficcionado, a cat lover
all around football wordsmith, a budding sports talks radio star,
and somebody who still hates the movie Grimlins. Mister Stony Keeley, gentlemen,
how are we doing on this Spring day?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I'm posing like Bobby Lash you are, and I'm still
hating the Grimlins. Yeah, this is tricky. We got to
get our obligation.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
For well, hang on a second, and Joker too is
a fine three out of five star movie, is it?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah? I don't remember what I get.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I said one person in the universe.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
No, because they didn't. You know why people watched it
and they didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
You didn't have to like it. No, no, no, But
Todd Phillips and Joaquin came in there with a purpose
and they they did it. Now, that doesn't mean everyone's
gonna love it and enjoy it, but I think they
wanted to do exactly the opposite of the first one
and turned the audience as in as if we were

(02:46):
kind of throwing away Arthur Fleck for the Joker, and
that's not who Arthur was.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Who brought up the Joker on this podcast. During my intro, Yeah, oh,
I missed it. I missed it. Sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
On my letter box, he's you know what, I've noticed,
he's been studying my letter box so he can gribe
me out of every damn intro.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
That reminds me. I think I probably need to put
my Grimlins rating on letterbox. I don't know that it's
on there. I think I gave Joker folly a du
two stars two.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think I gave it to Yeah, I know our
buddy Brett. I think gave it three or three and
a half.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
It was on his list in the Nashville Movie Dispatch
Movie Annual twenty twenty four, is like one of his
favorites of the year.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Wasn't think it?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, I think it's because.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
So we're not going to ask him back for next year, right, correct,
That is correct. Yeah, what are we here to talk
about today, mcketh.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
We're here to talk about a film that before we
started recording, we were raking through the fire the Coles
if you will. Yeah, so let's just jump right into it.
If you were with us April of last year, we
did a review of a film that was the first
volume of two. So we have decided like, let's finish it,

(03:59):
let's finish it off, and that would be Kill Bill
Volume two what we're talking about today. Kill Bill Volume
two is the fifth feature film from Oscar winning writer
Quentin Tarantino that finds the Bride returning to finish her
tour of revenge as she continues to hunt down and
kill the group of mercenaries that her left her for
dead on her wedding day, including her former boss and lover.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Bill Bill wrote, Yeah, that's good, well done.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
That had a lot more cash on it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Okay, I don't know what that means, but like grammatical
errors and ship.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
No no, sorry, trying to get these recis pieces out
of my teeth.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Gotcha. While you do that, I'll tell you. It was
written and directed by Quentin Tarantino, also starring Uma Thurman
as The Bride aka Black Mamba aka Beatrix Kiddo. Uh
starred David Carodine as Bill aka Snake Charmer, Michael Madsen
as Bud aka Sideway, Darryl Hannah as l Driver aka

(05:04):
California Mountain Snake, and Vivica A. Fox as Vernita Green
aka Copper Hit. That has a lot to get out.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
What what was the deal with the snakes? Did Quentin
Tarantino just think that would be cool? Or was that
just was that an homage to something else? Do we know?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I don't know. Didn't Marvel do it?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
The Serpent Society? Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't know. I don't I mean, I don't know
what reference like, I don't I don't know if that's
based off of something from the sixties or seventies. I
would imagine it is. I feel bad for Daryl Darryl
Hannah trying to get what was it a California Mountain Snakes.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, that's I don't know.
Like and then like some of the character names are
just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
They have to be bad. I'm sure it's off of
just the way.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
He does think. I feel like it's.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know, he there's something behind each.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
He had a waitress at the Hermitage Cafe in Nashville
named Beatrix Kiddo and.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Was like what, yeah, where did Yeah, I'm going to
use that as a character. But I did kind of
like it because you know, he says kiddo, and you're like,
you know, like an old man talking to a younger woman. Kid.
I saw them as more of a like a like
a father mentor, until I realized he got her pregnant,

(06:29):
which I kind of forgot about that part.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah. Also, what did whatever happened to David Krodin?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Carodin didn't really Yeah it was was he like sexual
affixiation or something like that.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, and he was he was hung and died damn.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
It was in Taiwan, Thailand something like that.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, I wish I had pretty cool, pretty cool. But
I was just watching this film, like, man, he's a
good actor.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well you know, he was in the Kung Fu Yeah,
so it was a big deal for for Tarantino to
get him. So it made sense why he was in it,
why he was Bill Like, totally good it. That's why
I'm I don't totally just you know, not like or
wasn't entertained by you know, either volume. But but then

(07:21):
I mean, we'll get into it. It's just kind of like,
it's weird to see Tarantino copying like other people. Yeah,
I guess, yeah, and I get why. I get why
he's doing it. I'm not saying like, well, Brandon, don't
you realize he's a fan? I do, But it's just weird.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's an homage to several genres.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, but when that Tarantino flair ain't there, well.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
And to me, like the it's the storytelling aspect of
it that lacks that flair. Yes, stylistically it very much
looks like a Tarantine.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Part of me thinks is that what like, hey, listen,
this was the stories of the sixties and seven, he's
kung fu movies. It ain't changing shit. This is what
we're gonna do, more violence, and we're gonna make it
look this way. But anyway, that's why David Carridin was
in it because he actually was the star.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Of Okay that makes sense because I was watching him
and just like, man, this guy's really fucking cool. What
else has he done, and it.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Was Yeah, he again, kind of like with Pam Greer
and Jackie Brown, they were stars of the sixties and seventies.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Really yeah, but I told you guys, I felt like
Kill Bill as a whole feels very much like someone
trying to take rudimentary linear story and just saying, I
want to make this like Quentin Taranty. It feels like
an imitation of a Tarantino Flack.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Student film in college somebody, Yeah, Tarantino's my influence, so
here's my homage to him.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
It's it's really kind of bizarre because, like you said, Brandon,
it just kind of feels like from again, from a
storytelling standpoint, they're just not It doesn't really feel like
there's a whole lot going on. It's a very well
linear story about revenge, and that's kind of kind of it.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
It's definitely style over substance, especially volume one. Volume two
is more like mccash d It's it's it does kind
of resemble. I think it's kind of because when you're
dealing with Daryl Hanna's character Michael Madson are out in
the desert, it does for like a Western more so
than Kung Fu because then it comes about the sword.

(09:32):
But I will say I still I still love the
Michael Madison scenes. I still love them.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I love the vibe, I love the style.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I love when him and Bill talk Yeah, and he's like,
we get what we deserve and then he laughs. He's like,
but then again, so does she. And I remember seeing
that in the preview and thinking that's that's a good
way to look like, Hey, I know what we did,
and I don't blame her for coming to get us,
but I'm gonna kill her.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I agree. I agree with you on Michael Madison.
He Bud was my favorite character in the both volumes. Yeah,
and so much so I thought we could name this
this week's drink or this Month's drink after Bud and
then Buds Margarita, which you so sloppily watch him make
in the trailer, yeah, before his demise to Daryl Hannah.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Simple, it's a simple margarita. You need kosher salt, you
need lime, you need tequila Grand Manner and some agave syrup.
You're gonna spread two teaspoons of kosher salt and an
even layer on a small flat plate. You're gonna half
a medium take half of one medium lime. Uh, cut
that lime wedge from one half, and then juice the

(10:45):
remaining line pieces until you have one ounce that was
hard to get out. You're gonna run the lime wedge
over the rim of an old fashioned glass or margarita
glass to get it moistened. Invert the glass into the salt,
turning in it as needed to coat the rimp. Basically,
you're putting the salt on the rim of the glass.
Fill the glass with ice, and then place your lime, juice,

(11:05):
your tequila, your grandma yen, your Gabe surf, and a
cocktail shaker. Fill the shaker halfway with ice, seal and
shake it too. The outside of the shaker is very frosty,
about twenty seconds worth. And then pour through a fine
mess strainer into the glass. Garnish with the lime wedge,
and there you have buds margarita. If you want it
to be messy like buds, just you know, take your
strainer and just kind of shake it all around the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Is it just me or did a lot of that
sound really sexual?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
That might have just been you, But well, I'm still reeling.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm still reeling from the effects that uh.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Leave her out of this.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, I I can always go for a margarita. And
I will say that I was watching that scene thinking,
I don't know the Bud knows what the fuck he's doing. No,
but but I bet that margarita hit pretty strong because
he probably loaded that shit up. He looks like the
stingy ain't gonna be stingy with that tequila and the
Grand Marnier. So I'm I'm here for it. And you

(12:06):
know what, Bud might have been a fun guy to
hang out with. Yeah, I can picture us drinking a
case of Steel Reserve and smoking cigars by a campfire
and staring at the mountains.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
At Go Forget, Go visit him. Mary works at that
titty bar.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
And there's he works at a titty bar. I mean,
come on, tell me that's not Did you guys watch that?
I don't want to just assume did you guys not
watch that? And think, Man, there's a life for me
somewhere there where. I'm just living in a trailer in
the desert, walking around by a campfire, going to the bar.
Maybe I gotta throw somebody out every once in a while,

(12:41):
and I just come home and just make me a margarita.
Sit that sounds that sounds nice sometimes.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
I I don't know how mc cash feels, but I
think that might just be.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
You drinking pilly out of a can. Yeah, I think you.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I don'tticize that a little too much.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah that's look Yeah that looked like a real defeated
man in a trailer.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
To a TV bar. Job is It's fine.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I get that he doesn't have much to worry about,
but he doesn't really have much anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
If I take my books out there, just prop my
feet up at the end of the day, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Maybe maybe eventually, maybe it.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Worked too much. Maybe that's the lesson here. Maybe I
need to stop.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I don't think he had TV. You're gonna watch the
Titans play out there in the desert.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I go to the bar.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
You think they have to?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Hell, that's true? Amen to that?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, shame no, But I love I just I think
there's just a coolness about Michael Madison. I don't really
care what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Why isn't he and more stuff?

Speaker 3 (13:41):
I don't know. He get he didn't get canceled, but
I just feel like he like pops up and just
random things.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Whenever Tarantino does a flick he's there.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, and then he'll do like real shitty b moves
and no one's ever heard of. Yeah, and then he
does like like he's he's in Free Willie.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
So Michael Michael Madden, and is someone we should put
in the con the conversation for the geno Smith run.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
You know he was in Blood Rain and he wasn't
And I bet that's probably what where the lady who
was the terminator that was her next movie? And then
everybody just thought, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
What, all these people, all these people are out.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, uh, no more, no more.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Here's what's funny. If you go to IMDb, you can
always see what they have upcoming, and it's usually for
each actors like one or two, maybe three things. He
doesn't He's got twenty one items listed as upcoming.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Hell yeah, dog, he just he just goes in a year.
Let's see if that number has changed at all. It
could be stuff that may never see the light of day.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
A ton of stuff he has I've really heard of
in the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
No, he was in Die Another Day. I didn't know
that he was as NSA director, Damian Falco.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Die Another Day, James Bond, Yeah, oh yeah, oh the
Brosnan one. Yeah, okay, sorry, I don't know what I
was thinking.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Oh man, A lot of these are like TV movies.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, shorts, straight to two b.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I forgot he was a voice in the Chronicles of Narnia.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm telling you. Most random things.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
We need a we need a Michael Manson episode of
the Vick Flicks podcast.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Last. Last big thing I remember him in was Once
upon a Time in Hollywood?

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Was he in Once upon a Time in Hollywood? I
don't even remember.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
He was like a sheriff or something.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Oh, that's right, Yeah, Tarantino loves him. Well, let me
tell you. If he ain't in Tarantino's last movie.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I wish Quentin Tarantino would love me. Yeah, then I'd
be set.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
But in all fairness, what does he pay him fair?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah? Well that's that's a good segue there to talk
about the budgets. Last month was The Incredibles Who His
budget was over ninety million dollars. What do we think
the budget was for Kill Bill Volume two?

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh, I'm gonna say shit, I don't know. With this one,
I'm gonna say forty five million.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
I swear that's where I was gonna go, well, I'll
say forty.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay, we got forty and forty five. I'm looking up
from last year. So last year, the budget for Kill
Bill Volume one is the same as for Volume two.
I wonder if these were filmed simultaneous.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I believe they were because at the same time one budget. Yeah,
because they because one was released in October, then in April,
because he decided.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
To Yeah, okay, so I have a film.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
It's all going to be the same.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So it's just like last year's thirty million dollars for
the budget.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
So it probably cost sixty million to make the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
And they just said that maybe or maybe it's the whole.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Thirty for both.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Oh well, yeah, that's true. Thirty for thirty, yeah, thirty
for thirty.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah. I'm almost positive the two volumes was not a
bit like that happened after Yeah, he filmed it because
knowing him, he probably thought everybody would sit there and
watch that whole thing take about seven hours.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
How weird this would have felt as a viewing experience
if it was all one movie where it's like NonStop
action through the first one and then it just stops.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well, and you know what's weird dialogue is it does
feel like two separate movies.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
It does, so.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
It is kind of funny how I'm fine with the
both volumes because they don't. They're not really the same
at all. Yeah, yeah, I know it's supposed to be
a continuation, but the whole vibe, tone, look, it doesn't
They're very different.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I agree. So let's continue to talk about money.
Let's talk what it did at the box office. It
opened April eighteenth, two thousand and four. I will tell
you that it opened at number one. I don't think
that's really a shocker to either one of us, for
any of us, So on nearly three thousand screens the
weekend of April eighteen, two thousand and four, What did

(18:15):
Kill Bill? Volume two Bring Home? In the United States
and Canada.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Got a little buzz after Volume one.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
People are people either love it or they just were like, well,
I have to finish it, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
In case you don't remember, it made twenty two million
opening weekend for volume one, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Say thirty six.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I'm gonna say I think it probably did maybe a
little better because it is the sequel sort of, so
I was still I'll say twenty eight. I don't know
if it made over thirty.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
No, it did not. It was twenty five point six million,
damn very Yeah, it did get a little tick, but
not much. It made sixty six point two million US Canada,
and then worldwide it really got a big bump where
it totaled out at one hundred and fifty four point
one million dollars. So that's good, good return on thirty million. Yeah,

(19:11):
what did what do we say Volume one did total?
Volume one did one eighty one, and then Volume two
did one fifty four. So Volume two did less overall
than Volume one did. But if you add those together
on either thirty or sixty million dollar budget, whichever it is,
that's a good little chunk of change you made.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, for real, how much did matchine it? He should
have gotten a bigger cut whatever it was. I don't
even know.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Uh. The UK brought in just under seventeen million dollars, okay,
and then kill Bill Volume two landed in Bulgaria in
December of four. It brought home seven thousand, two hundred
and six dollars.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Some days I have hope for Bulgaria and the other
days I don't.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
They're trying at least they have American cinema there.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Here's hey, here's my question. Can you imagine going to
see that in Bulgaria on Christmas?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, my question is do the do they celebrate Christmas
in Bulgaria?

Speaker 3 (20:20):
That's true, people here would have seen it around Easter.
I'm sure that was fun.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I don't know what they celebrate in Bulgaria.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
So that's that opening weekend that in April that it opened.
The only major release that week was The Punisher in
your top five. Your top five for that week were
at number five, Home on the Range. You never seen
it animating.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Right, it's animated Disney about cows and Roseanne's voice on
it with Day with Dame Judy Dinch.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now I'll never see it. Number four is hell Boy.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I was about to say, like I think that was
early April.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Number three is your is the Johnson Family Vacation. I
think that's The Entertainers That is okay, And then obviously
Kill Bill Volume two is number one, but The Punisher
opened at number two.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Have such such high hopes for that movie. I thought
it was cool because John Travolta is a villain, was cool,
just like in Swordfish. Then he did Battle Okay, Okay,
then he did that. Then he was that kick ass
villain in Battle Earth or whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
You mean. Hairspray.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, yeah, I think that character in Hairspray was when
Elastic Girl got older. Oh I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
That was still fat. That's a throwback right there. Anyway, Uh,
let's talk about we've already kind of discuss how we
feel about kill Bill White too.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
But what Sorry, I was just gonna say, I I don't.
I still I still kind of There are parts I
actually like more in volume two than in volume one,
but I still keep going back because I think it's
part of it is like Stoney said, pieces were put together.
I like the wedding scene when it's in black and

(22:24):
white like that, and Bill's kind of talking to her
and then you kind of see them show up, and
I like that, but then they're like I like the
Michael Mattson stuff. But I will tell you, for somebody
to to start the journey in volume one, get through
volume two, that ending is more overwhelming or underwhelming than

(22:47):
I remember, because they don't really fight. It's about the daughter,
and then it's I feel like as soon as they
talked about that heart punch thing. I feel like you
knew that was gonna be used. I was gonna and
that was it. Like it was almost like you you
have all these action stuff in volume one, she's kind
of making amends, but volume two is really kind of

(23:10):
to show you how we got here on this revenge tour,
and then when her and Bill finally come face to face,
it's kind of like this nice little talk and farewell
thing before she punches him in the heart.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
It was weird.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, it was a weird ending.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
To reveal how I watched the film. I put it
on remembering that I kind of enjoyed volume one, and then,
like stony, I found myself bored and this interested. So
when all of the heart punch talk was happening, I
missed it. I kind of missed that. Maybe it took
a little nap, And so at the end of the film,

(23:45):
I kind of dozed for a second too, and I
just see Bill walking off and then he just five
steps he just drops, Like what the just happened?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
You did miss a little bit?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, I mean it's a classic case of Chekhov's gun.
If they're gonna show you the gun, they're gonna use it.
So right. So as soon as they started talking about that,
I was like, that's like you see it coming, yeah, yep.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
And they spent like twenty minutes of her punching her
way out of a fucking coffin.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yuh and getting her sword made. Well yeah, just so
you know when she was getting the sword made, that's
that that gentleman is the one who taught her, Yeah,
the heart punch thing. And then he then Bill was like,
oh he taught you that. It's just so I guess
part of it is there really is almost no emotion either,
like besides her crying at the end, because obviously Bill

(24:32):
does mean something to her, it's just kind of like, oh, well,
wasn't that worth it? And then I mean, I I
guess for Tarantino, you just expect, like whatever expectations you had.
I feel like he didn't he he he just told
himself he's not he's not doing his stuff. But but

(24:54):
but both volumes suffer for it too, because it's not
really like I have a feeling there's probab better kung
fu movies if you're just watching the seventies.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, I would say it's a very dramatic swing because
we don't flesh that out with the characters leading into
the final scene that like, maybe there are some conflicting emotions.
I mean, maybe I just missed it along the way,
but it felt to me like a really stark contrast
between revenge bloodthirst, and then all of a sudden it's like,

(25:26):
oh wait, no, like there actually are really good, really deep,
complicated feelings here that make a story interesting. We I
feel like we swung the pendulum back too far the
other direction.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I think I think none of that really got started
kind of coming into focus until volume Juke. Yes, Yeah,
And I think a lot of that is in that
wedding scene, the beginning that where where he where he
talks to her, and then maybe they're a little bit
when he drops her off at the guy, but the

(25:58):
guy who's gonna make the sword, but still yeah, and
then I feel like if you if, if you didn't
feel it thin that last like twenty five minutes where
they're sitting there basically talking with the daughter. When the
daughter leaves, it's like, oh, we have unfinished business and
they're talking. That's what it's supposed to be, And that
send off didn't feel that didn't feel right either.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, I mean it's if you're going to make this
like action packed kung fu western hybrid movie. Yeah, it
feels like it's I can get from a creative standpoint,
wanting to do something a little different, but it just
doesn't feel like the payoff is really worth it. Yes,

(26:42):
by the time you get to the end, and from
a yeah, it's first of all interesting, but also we've
just been watching like sword fights and brawls and all
of a sudden, like the Final Showdown is essentially talking
it out. Yeah, and it's it's just a.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Really you don't even get a full action stuff really
in a lot of those like I do, like the
Darryl Hannah and Uma Thurman fight. Yeah that was a
good one. But but yeah, it's almost like you, like
Tarantinna decided I'm gonna load it up on the front
half and on the back half. I think it's supposed
to mean more than what it really does.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put a little heart
in it at the end when she's meeting BB for
the first time and oh yeah and all that stuff.
So yeah, with that said, you know, we've discussed what
the critics liked about Volume one and and the major
audience as well. So what do we think on Rotten

(27:41):
Tomatoes The media thought for Volume two? When it comes
to the Tomato meter, I.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Feel like it's still gonna be pretty hot. I mean,
like reading some of the reviews, I mean, I remember,
like one of the big I want to say it
was Ebert gave it like a perfect score. I can't
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Do you want to know what happened to him?

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I'm done asking that question.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
I was so glad. What's what's the best part is
is that you really didn't know? I really didn't know. Yeah,
which I could have. I should have, Like it was
such a weird what it was such a weird thing
to read. But anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
I feel like people loved this movie.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I feel like it's like seventy six I'm going to say,
I'm going to say ninety.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
So wow, that's a big gap. So Volume one, the
tomato meter was eighty five percent. Yeah, Volume two eighty
four percent. Yeah, you guys are kind of in the middle. Basically,
I'm I still.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Kind of surprised by that.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I'm I'm on the low end of this. I gave
it a two and a half out of five and
scrolling my letterbox, like a lot of my friends people
that I follow are like four five out of five,
and I just can't get their voice.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
No, I can get I think I think mine is
probably two and a half to a three for both volumes.
Like if I I feel like I would probably say
maybe a three for Volume one and two and a
half for Volume two, just because it is such a
really slows things down story wise, action wise. Yeah. But yeah,

(29:25):
in the eighties, I guess, I guess there's some filmmakers.
I feel like people can't go against them no matter
what it is, like it like, how dare you? Yeah,
maybe I'm wrong, Maybe we're missing something. Maybe we're just
a bunch of jackasses.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, that's to be debated. So what do we think
the popcorn meter is for Volume two?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I'm gonna stick with ninety. I feel I just feel
like people love now.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
I feel like we're going to do like a seventy
two seventy three. There's no I'm shocked of audience is
up in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Two.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
So what did we say again?

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I'm gonna say seven, I'm gonna say seventy three.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
I'm gonna stick with ninety ninety and seventy three, so
Volume one was eighty one percent popcorn Meter, but the
masses enjoyed Volume two much more than Volume one, as
it comes in at eighty nine percent.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Almost God, I hate movies.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Well, I'm telling you, man, Like I just I felt like,
you know, like when you're scrolling through after you've you've
watched a film, I.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Think it seems like you got a tip off you
kind of you kind.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Of No, I'm just reading what people think about it,
you know, and like what they're rating. I'm like, I'm
the odd man out here not liking this film.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm shocked.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Well, I shouldn't say I didn't. I shouldn't. I shouldn't
say I didn't like it. There were things I liked
about it, but for a Tarantino film with the cast,
I just was really disappointed.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I will say I remember thinking when I saw Once
upon a Time in Hollywood that I said, you know,
it's the first time where I felt like I was
a slightly disappointed and Tarantino. Yeah, but I didn't know
it at the time, but I guess kill Bill may
have may have actually done it. I just didn't go
back and watch them.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I want to go back and watch Once upon a
Time in Hollywood again, because I think I think that
and kill Bill. I'm I'm debating, like what his worst
film is, but I think it's between those two.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
You know, Michael Madson's and Once upon a Time, and
I do, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's half a star at least right there in your.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
At least one.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I think Volume two, if you split them apart, I
think Volume two is his worst worst movie. But I
think the first one was at least a little fun
enough that if I put them all together Kill Bill
as one movie.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Right, which is the way he might views it.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I might actually like that more than Once upon a
Time in Hollywood. Yeah, this is really important. Ton out
on this.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I think I will say, we'll get back from doing
just say, but I want to say his lowest, Rotten Tomato,
I think it's for death Proof. I actually did like
death Proof, mainly because I like, again, that's more of
Tarantino's style, but he's also is taking a taking a
certain genre at a certain time. But also Kurt Russell, Man,

(32:23):
he can fuck Kurt.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Russell can go.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
What is he doing right now?

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Kurt Russell? Yeah, he did that Monarch series on Apple
about the Godzilla and King Kong and he just finished
up what was he he was just in something. Yeah,
I was gonna say that he's also been Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Oh that's right, Yeah, the Christmas Chronicles.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah. Dare you now go back to the uh the reporter,
journalist or whatnot? The media. I do have one review
from Rotten Tomatoes and this is coming from Dan Marcucci
of Broomfield Enterprise.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Never heard of I love some of these outlets.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
But he says volume two is about a million times
better than volume one. Unfortunately, though one million times zero
is still zero.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Oh like the style, the style, Yeah, and then this
was great, but also it's been ship Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Let's move right into letterbox reviews. I've got a few
here for you. We'll start with Lucy. Lucy gave kill
Bill Volume two five stars and says, listen, the entire
chapter L and I is absolutely one of the best
sequences that Quantum Toronto has ever made.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Quantum, there's a lot of fun plays on his name.
It's a it's a fun activity.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh for for QT, for old QT, for o QT.
Rudy on letter Boss gave it three and a half stars.
It says I didn't come here to be emotionally attacked.
But here I am crying over Uma Thurman a k
A Mommy. I guess Uma is giving people mommy vibes.

(34:23):
Well she is, yeahs no real ripley, but.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
She's credited as Mommy in the end credits. I don't
know if you guys call it all of all of
her character names. It goes between the bride, black Mamba, uh,
Bellatrix Lestrange or whatever, and Kiddo, that's Beatrix kiddo, not

(34:46):
Harry Potter Beatrix kiddo, and then it says mommy at
the end, I.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Miss that one.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I just turned it off.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Okay uh. Another lover of this film, Veronica, gave it
for stars and she says the training scene gave me
major Mulan vibes that I almost started singing, I'll make
a man out of you.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
That's true. I like that the women have enjoyed volume two.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah yeah uh.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
And then lastly, Abby did not like Volume two so much.
She gave it one star, quoting I also want to
kill Bill for wasting two hours of my life.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Damn yeah did oh well, well guess what he's dead. No, so.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
You one, you there? The film was nominated for a
bunch of awards, not winning too many, but Uma Thurman
and David Kardine were both nominated for Golden Globes for
their portrayals of the bride and Bill.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
It was also nominated for Best Compilation Soundtrack Album at
the Grammys the following year. When it comes to Tarantino,
you nobody he touches him when he comes to music.
The closest is Zach Braff when he comes to his
soundtrack films.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I don't know. I like James Gunn. James Gunn's got
a lot of good ones. I know it's a comic
book movies, but I do like the how he uses music.
But man, Quentin Tarantino has been doing it since The.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Reservoir Reservoir Dogs.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, one big win it did take home. It won
Best Foreign Film at the Turkish Film Critics Association Awards.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Thank you how about that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:32):
So basically the best English language.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That's uh, that's something I wonder if Quantum Toronto has
that on his on his trophy case.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
He's probably there in person to accept.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I could see him thinking that's cool, yeah, and flying
out there.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
And it's pussy wagon.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, all the women's feet.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, I did learn something when it comes to the awards.
That Kill Bill Volume two was the first film to
be sent out as a DVD for screeners to the
Oscar voters. Oh really yeah, that that, you know, got

(37:21):
them zero nominations. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I was just saying, Also, it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Well, they tried innovation, you know.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
So some early posters for the movie proclaimed it as
the fifth film by Quentin Tarantino. Subsequent posters have not
used that board. While the film simply says a film
by Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill Volume one says the fourth
film by Quentin Tarantino at the beginning, and volumes one
and two are supposed to be considered as one film.

(37:49):
And the fifth film by Quentin Tarantino was actually death Proof.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah yep, yep. So what does that mean? So his
last one is his.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Tenth, right, correct? Which is what he's on, which is
what he's on.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
The film critic, Well, he ditched that one.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
He ditched that one.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, he literally was casting and stuff and apparently it
didn't really deal with anything particular. I think it mainly
dealt I think it like he didn't know how to
end it, and I think what I read was something
about dealing with the writing of it and everything. He
couldn't get it right or he didn't like it, and
so anyway, Yeah, he tossed it, and as of most
recently he said he's in no hurry through the tenth one.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I mean, listen, he ain't getting any younger, but no.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
But I also feel like, is this a way to
kind of be like, Okay, when I finally do my
tenth movie, is he going to be seventy eight years old?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
But you know what I mean. Also, I kind of
think it's stupid to just be like, I'm just gonna
do ten films. Yeah, that's his thing, is even the
great sometimes you wear out, you're welcome, but he doesn't
do Yeah. Yeah, which some would say it started before
that for Copola, but to me, it's kind of like,
but here's here's for me. The example is Scorsese. H

(39:03):
that man will make movies till he's dead, and some
of his best ones have been, in my opinion, in
his last ten fifteen years of life. So I don't know,
I think it's kind of bullshit, but but I did,
But I did. I think are Scarcese or someone said,
I could kind of see him saying that, because when

(39:24):
you are a writer and director, it takes a lot
more out of you. True, because that he spends more
time on that script once they get to filming the movie.
I mean he's got it because he doesn't let them
go too far off script.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah at all. So on IMDb under Quantum Toronto or
Quantum Toronto under his upcoming the movie critic is still listed,
but there's really nothing to go along with it. And
then there's a TV series called Bounty Law where he
has supposedly directed five episodes.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah no, he he. He did talk about writing more
and doing TV, which is a way, I mean, the
way TV is now. I mean they're all they all
could be like movies. So I would like I would
like to see that is Bounty Law out?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
No, it's upcoming. It just says it's the story of
Jake Cahill. No, the're a cast, Uh, somebody named Todd
Barrow as Officer Bridge. But I think that's just like
a small character.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
You know, who's going to be in it, Michael and
I'll watch me too.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
The ghost of David Cardine.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah yeah, let him float his ass around there with
his tied up testicles.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
You know, did you know Michael Madson is in a
music video for every Time I Die? He loved them
and they put him in a music video.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
That man will he He's open, He's open to doing anything.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I'll show you.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
He's like Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yes, yep, boundless Ye.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
For this movie, the writer and director of Quentin Tarantino
wanted to change the genre, so Kill Bill Volume one
was kung Fu, and he wanted this movie to be
a Western earlier. Mission accomplished, and at the film's first
screening in Texas and or test screening in Austin, Texas,

(41:20):
the audience gave the film a five minute standing ovation.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
That happens everywhere. Though, Yeah, I feel like, like I
don't mean to rain on Quentin Tarantino's parade here, but
like we always hear, we always hear that, Wow, this
movie standing ovation at whatever film films can Yeah, have
you ever been a part of a standing ovation for
a movie after seeing a screening of it? I just imagine,

(41:48):
like when we went to see Quasi.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
The Belcourt just but and it's like twelve minutes, yeah,
NonStop twelve minutes.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Which just the two of you.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, we should have we got a free T shirt.
I should have stood up and clapped for the two minutes.
I don't think so. I think it's kind of I
get why people do it during certain things, but like
when people like some people will clap like after you know,
a two fifteen afternoon movie, and I'm like, who are
we clap?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Like?

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Who are we clapping for that?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
That?

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Regal kids about to clean up my snot and come
and popcorn?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Who are clapping for those? Are the same people who
clap on planes when they land.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Well, I'm gonna tell you, yeah, I clapped this year.
I'm sure as hell would clap this year. I might
give the pilot a standing ovation. No, I don't think
I've ever been a part of but yeah, I mean
also I feel like like it can and I don't
know if if if Tarantino was at the test screening,
but if I'm sitting right next to the people who

(42:53):
made it, I'm gonna stand up and clap anyway, even
if I leave that theater being like I was fucking boring.
I mean, some people just to do it to do it.
And also I think there's some kind of like when
you see something early enough, people lose their shit. It's
almost like they like it more because they saw it
before anybody else. And then by the time it hits

(43:15):
like theaters, like a nationwide some kind of release, people
are like, huh, Like I feel like that happens every
time a Marvel movie comes out. People are blown away,
and then by the time it gets released and like
everybody else but their critics come out, it's like fifty
two percent rotten, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, Like I went to a screening of Blockers with
John Cena. Yes, and I sure as hell didn't give
that a standing ovation when you.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Should love them, You shut up love that movie.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Look, I enjoyed the movie, but uh, it wasn't getting
a standing ovation just because Peacemaker was there.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Could you, William?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, because he was he was super I see your
joke there, But yeah, I did see him because he
was super pissed about some of the people that were
in the audience, because some parents, because the parents brought
their like nine ten year old kids to see this movie.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Because you need to be responsible.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I think you've told us that story.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
John Cena sounds like like a real good dude. Yeah,
I'm glad he's world champion.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Hasn't happened yet at the time of this recording, we
still have another week before damn it, WrestleMania happens. But nonetheless,
uh yeah, I mean this is we are, I mean, granted,
this is life. So everybody knows that.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Uh that makes us look stupid, but elastic girl's booty hole.
Trust me, everyone's gonna find it super fun.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
The club owner and kill Bill Value too hated Bud's
hat because writer and director Quinn Tarantino did didn't like
it when Michael Madison would appeared on set wearing it.
He tried to take tried to talk Michael out of it,
but that didn't help. So Quentin got back with a
little change in the script the next day, and Michael
Madison had to follow along with it.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
So what hat was it?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
So when he's in the office of the strip club owner,
and the strip club owners like, I've told you multiple times,
wear that hat, take it off? Okay, So I guess
the script was a little different prior because Quentin had
repeatedly asked him, please don't wear that hat on set.
It's hideous and ugly. Madsen was like, fuck you, bro,
this is only your fifth film, so I'm gonna do

(45:38):
what I want.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I love I the Madson madness. I love it. He
does it. He does not give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Also, I feel like him and Tarantina were probably more
like buddies, so when someone's telling you, hey, don't do that,
he's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna fuck with him.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I like the cowboy hat.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I did too. And also, if he wants a Western,
you have to have a cowboy hat for how else
are we going to know exactly it'sout that cowboy hat?
What the hell is it?

Speaker 2 (46:12):
One way, this one way this film saved money and
had such a small budget was when it came to
some of the music in the film and being the
score of the film and Robert Rodriguez, the great director
of al Mariazzi and other films.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Uh yes, by kids, that's legit.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
How much do you think Robert uh charged his buddy
Quantum to Toronto to score the film of Killme Too?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I mean, I feel like his buddies. I'd say nine,
But there's probably like he had to give up.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Well, it's like to do like the taxes or whatever
he's got to charge you have him forty. Yeah, something
like whenever scale was, isn't there something with like the
pave of the the guilds and stuff, were like they've
got to get a certain amount. So it's like you
pay him what you'd pay an extra.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
I think he gave him a sword.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Gave him a sword.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, he gave him one dollar.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, see something like that, one whole dollar.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Quentin Tarantino said he would repay him by directing a
segment segment of Since City for an exchange for one dollar.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
As well, and he did, didn't. He wasn't.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
It was a scene in which Dwight drives Jackie Boy's corpse.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I also know how you save money. You hire people
like Michael Matchin and Darryl Hannah. That's how you saved.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Money the Stars splash, isn't uh and David Yeah, because
you know your royalties for David Cardane aren't going to
last long since he's gonna take his own life a
couple of years later.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, right, And I have a feeling they didn't get
shipped for royalties with Tarantino anyway. Michael Mason would be
filthy rich if that's the case.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I learned that two of the females in this film
did not like each other at all and did not
get along with each other so badly so they had
to be separated at times from each other. Tell me
that being Uma Thurman and Darryl Hannah.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
So that fight was real.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, so they did not. They did not get along
with each other and were reportedly instructed. They reportedly instructed
hotel and cinema staff to ensure that they were kept
separate from each other during the press tour for Volume one. Uh.
They were again at odds at the film screening at
Cohn and ordered separate areas to be created at the

(48:48):
after show party so they wouldn't clash. And when the
two women won Best Fight at the five MTV Movie Awards,
only Darryl attended. UMA's absence was conspicuous, couspicious Jesus Christ,
considering she's gone the previous year to collect the award
for her fight in Volume one.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
What's the sources? What what happened? They just don't get along?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Damn it.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I want to know what the deal is.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I looked for that answer, but I couldn't find anything.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I think it's I'm not talking specifically about these two
but I feel like people in general that have a trouble,
that have trouble getting along with people in professional roles
are usually, in my experience, pretty difficult people. So I
think I think they could. That's that's I think that's

(49:40):
a sign that both could be pretty difficult.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I could also see in both of them want to
fuck Matson. Yeah, I mean you dangle like that out there,
did seem.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Listen? Yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Saying, don't write David carridine off as one who could
be given the D.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Then I think there's I feel like they could share David.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah. Well, Evan Hogg may have had something to say
about this as well when it came to Uma Thurman.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
That's true. Good point. Good point. I wish I knew,
but I I have a feeling it's probably something really stupid,
But I want to know, like who started it, like
you know what I mean, like who crossed the line,
because I feel like, yeah, like I feel like Darryl
Ohanna is the type that probably says what she thinks

(50:30):
and maybe that rubbed Uma the wrong way. I think
the good news is is that I that both of
them don't really have careers anymore. Yeah, that was in
something Being when he got canceled, and then I think
I saw her enough.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
This is the last thing she's done.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Actually I do, but you probably have not seen it.
But it's Paul Schrader, who wrote Raging Bull, who directed
First Reform and stuff. He had a new he has
a new one called O Canada. And Uma Thurman plays
Richard Gear's life.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Okay Richard Gear, Yes.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Which you know he's in some cool new show with
Michael Fastbender.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I did not know.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, he's on the up and up.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Okay, bright young young acting acting gerbils Back.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Tarantino should give Gear a call.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Uma Thurman is gonna be in the the Dexter reboot.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Really, Oh okay, what's Daryl Hannah doing?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Uh Man, that's a great question.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
So she probably has twenty two upcoming projects.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Daryl Hannah, what did what is her most famous role.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Splash splash splash or what is that the fifty giant,
fifty foot woman that she played?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Well, yeah, she was in Wall Street.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Oh yeah she was, she was. I mean she was
a big deal in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Her last credit was a movie called Buckle Up in
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Okay, so yeah, she was working never mind.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, never heard of it. Never the last thing I
see that I've remotely heard of. And I'm already at
twenty twelve and I don't see anything. Boy, kill Bill
did nothing to resurrect her career at all.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
No, but she's probably being difficult. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I hate to kill Bill is the last thing that
I've heard of that she's been in.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
That probably makes sense. Uma Thurman's probably up there. I
remember her doing my super ex Girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
And that was I think that's what came to mind
for me.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
And then she I remember her being in a movie
with Meryl Streep where she's dating Meryl Streep's son or something.
It's called Prime, but she's her therapist. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, I'm scrolling down her. Oh she was in Burnt
twenty fifteen with a Yeah, I like that movie.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, that was pretty good, So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I'll don't forget. She was in movie forty three.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Oh god, well, who wasn't that to this day is
the worst movie I've ever seen, I think, Yeah, I
think so.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
And I paid to see that movie.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I think we did too. Yeah, I sat in a theater.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
That's Elizabeth Banks fault, right, there poison girls.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yep, shame on her, Yep, she got us, but she
totally redeemed herself with co King Bear.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
So I'm sially mean it's perfect. Yeah, that too. Uh.
In an interview for Channel four in the UK, David
Caardine said that before he was cast as Bill, he
was unemployed in collecting welfare.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Damn. That's kind of sad, but you know there's always
one like that. Tarantino likes to kind of like reinvent them.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, I mean try. I mean look at Travolta.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
I think in Travolta and then there was Pam Greer.
I know this one mainly dealt with David Carradine and
Brad Pitt. You know, we all remember he was he
had a he had a pit downfall. But there's someone
else and it doesn't always have to be like the
main character. Also in Jackie b. Robert Forrester, it was

(54:19):
also went on to do, Uh, he's really good in
the Oh my God, what is that Alexander Payne movie,
The Descendants the Clooney. But yeah, he he likes to
pick different, different people for that. I guess here recently
he hasn't really done that as far as like you know,

(54:43):
Leo and yeah, all those guys. But uh, but I
do like his casting choices. He doesn't always go for
like the maybe the most well known or but he does.
And I think it's his love for cinema that he
can go back so far and have these different people
kind of play. There's a no I mean in a way,

(55:05):
Kurt Russell was kind of like that. Yeah, I love
him more probably in The Hateful Late but Bruce Dern,
Bruce Dern, yeah, you know, now Nebraska, he did get
it on. I mean yeah, but so there's there's always
kind of people that he brings back.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Another Alexander Payne.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
So so yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
I really do appreciate what what he what he's able
to bring. It's just you know, this one's just a
bit off. Yeah, it wasn't even I don't even know
what we're talking about. I'll be honest, but I went
and down. I just go back to giving my review
of the movie.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, well that's kind of what we're here for. Uh.
There is an easter egg in the film, oh that is. Yeah.
The spot can that Bud Michael Madison used was labeled
oak Ridge Coffee and oak Ridge is a town twenty
five miles from Tarantino's hometown of Knoxville to see.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, the Oakridge boys, how about that?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Is he one of them?

Speaker 3 (56:04):
That's what I'm piecing together, the things those.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Boys wanted to do to Elvira And yeah, yeah, a
lot that ain't no joke, a lot in the lines
of what people wanted to do to Elastic girl.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Knew as soon as he started talking, I knew we
were going to go back to there.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Bill makes a reference to Batman at one point in
the movie, and Uma Thurman played Poison Ivy and Batman
and Robin which stored, which starred George Clooney as Bruce Wayne. Obviously, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Liked I actually liked her as Poison Ivy. I wish
she was in a better Batman movie. I liked her
in it.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I remember liking that movie, but I haven't watched it
since I was a child, so I'm gonna refrain from Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I mean, she she seemed to fit the part. The
movie's not very good, and Bain was kind of like
her Henchman, and yeah that was you know, But but
I think when you are next to a glistening Arnold
Swartzenegger's mister Freeze. Anybody probably looks better.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah. Fair. One thing I didn't pick up on until
I did researching is that the Bride never exchanges any
dialogue with Bud during their entire time on screen together.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Oh that's right, because he shoots her and then she
can't talk. Yeah, and then by the time and yeah,
I mean, and she doesn't kill him.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah. Any well, she only kills one person in the
whole movie.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
In volume two.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah, volume two, Yeah, okay, and that's that's Bill. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
During yeah, wait a minute, Darryl.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No, no, you don't know. Daryl Hannah's dead.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And she just got her
other eye.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Because when the credits rolled, there's a big question mark
on her name.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
So there was thoughts of there being a third volume.
At one point there.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Was a third and a fourth.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
He talks about doing that as being a last but
then I heard he scrapped that.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah. It's been like back and forth for the last
ten years.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I wouldn't doubt if a if a limited series on TV, yeah, maybe,
and and Darryl Hannah come back.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Oh well, the story was supposed to be about.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
WrestleMania forty three or you.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
You just be really petty and you recast Daryl Hannah.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Yeah with Sydney Sweeney for no fucking reason.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
The story, my throat just stopped working. Excuse me. The
story was supposed to be the the little girl who's
yeah a Fox's daughter coming back for her revenge on
the bride.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
The remember that and then BB fox her up.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah that's right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I do remember that the girl would come back. Yeah,
because the daughter saw what happened. That still was unanswered.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Now, during Beatrick's fight with l l reveals that she
killed her joint, their joint master Pie May, who the
trained under alongside Bill Bitch move yeah, and then Beatrix
responds by ripping out L's remaining eye with her right hand.
But if you paid close attention to a prior flashback,

(59:18):
there's actually a secret significant meaning in Beatrix act. So
during the flashback where the Pie May is training a
younger Beatrix, he defeats her and while twisting her arm
in place, informs her it's my arm. Now I can
do what I please. So, with that logic, Pie May
indirectly managed to get revenge against Lle for killing him,

(59:39):
given that Beatrix used her right arm, the one that
Pi May now owns.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I thought that was some nice and nice man. It
was like I looked at it as like an extension
of him, because he was talking about that earlier on
like this is my arm now, and then she strikes
with the right arm. I was like, oh, I didn't think.
I didn't look at it as like, oh, that's Pie
May doing it. I thought, oh, it's justice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yeah. I wonder if I'm still hung up on Uma
Thurman and Daryl Hannah getting in. But but do you
think that's why he never worked with him again? He
never did anything with me. You know, Uma Thurman was
pulp fiction too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, But I just find it odd that he never
went back to any of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
What I was saying. I have people that can't get
along with others, like in a professional role. Maybe it
was both of them, and maybe it's it's a characteristic
of them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
That's a smart thing to do. Just make up traits
about people based off of something you hear in a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
The Bride, like we I mentioned earlier, only kills one
person in volume two, that be and Bill, and when
Beatrick finally reaches Bill's hotel, room. She's surprised with the
news that her daughter Bebe, which is Bill plus Beatrix Bibe,
is indeed alive as she points to a toy gun
at her mother and shouts bang bang. And I think

(01:01:06):
it's neat foreshadowing because at the very start of the
first kill, Bill Nancy Sinatra's iconic bang bang, my baby
shot me down plays over the opening credits, the lyrics
my baby shot me down, Bang bang. Uh, there's just
no way this is a coincident.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
On No, I didn't catch that. I didn't catch that either,
But that's been that was I mean that was hours ago, ye,
hours and hours ago.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
It was a year ago.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Oh yeah for me, it was yeah, yeah, well that
you know, I said hours and hours.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I didn't watch the I didn't watch volume two right
after one. I wanted to, wait, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Didn't either, So I didn't either.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
I mean I watched them when they came out in
theaters and then I haven't watched them since until we
had to prep for this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
But that's a really cool it's a really cool little
nugget there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I don't like that, you know what, five out of
five for volume two?

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Yeah, changing my rating, change our rating over Nancy Sinatra. Look,
that's all I have for Kill Bill Volume two. I
don't really have any any memorable quotes or what it
did for pop culture anything. I just think it's a
movie that exists in the Quentin Tarantino universe.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
I just want to mention the eyeball scene when she steps.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
On the eyeball with her bare feet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Yeah, that is I remember people talking about that never
seeing the film, but seeing it was like, oh, yeah,
that's that's a little rough.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I think. I'm sure we already talked about this in
volume one, but I think the only real thing was
Uma Thurman's yellow suit. Yeah, I think is really what
people mostly remember it by. And I think some people
dressed up. Maybe they still do. I don't know, but yeah,
I like that. I really liked that song. That's a

(01:02:55):
nice little tidbit. So that was a that was at
the top of one and then it does Yeah, that
was a nice touch. Tarantino is really gifted. I guess
he makes he's good at filmmaking. God, after nine, after
nine movies, I would be like, Oh, I don't know, maybe,

(01:03:16):
but ah, he's good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
What is he doing today? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
What's he check his IMD doesn't he have a book? Yes,
I have it, Yes, Cinema Speculation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
What's it about nonfiction? No?

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
No, it's a fiction, yeah, but it does it. It
is about a certain period in Hollywood. But it is
a fiction book.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I might have to buy it at it to my library.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
That's the next thing I want to read. I just
haven't started it yet. I might start it when I
don't know. We'll see next year. I've already read two
books this year. I'm exhausted.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
I've already read three, and I've got bookmarks in five
different books right now. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I don't know how you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Well, they're different genres.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Mcash, you know how to read.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I have. I have looked at books. Is he here? Yeah,
I've looked at books.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
They're pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I've touched a few. I use them as paperweights. So yeah,
if we got nothing else to add to volume two,
which I don't, I say we just moved straight into
our Mount Rushmore question.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah, this is a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
It was tough. It's your favorite sequels of all time?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Stony, go ahead, you got your list.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I mean this was pretty easy. It came to mind
pretty much right away. I think I start with The
Lord of the Rings, Return of the King. I go
to The Dark Knight, which was Heath Ledger's Joker. I
go to Logan. I think it's one of the best
superhero movies ever made. And then one of the first

(01:04:43):
places my mind went was to the Rocky franchise and
Rocky three. I wanted to kind of stew on it
a little bit, but I feel like that movie was
one of my first introductions to the concept of the sequel,
and just everybody in my circle loved it so much,
loved those movies so much that it kind of popped

(01:05:06):
into my head right away as one of the greats.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I will.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Mcash, you did this on the last one, so this
one's tough. But from honorable mentions, I would have to
I want to t two Judgment Day, Mad Max, Fury Road,
Let's The Blade Runner twenty forty nine. But I would

(01:05:32):
think my top four is a lot like Stoney's Return
of the King, and The Dark Knight instantly came to mind.
I don't even care if there's other movies before it,
that they stand the test of time just as the
way they are. I'm also listen, it was my favorite
film of the year when it was released. It doesn't
even feel like a comic book movie. But logan, I'm

(01:05:56):
with Stony, I just don't they don't. It doesn't get
any better than that. And then my fourth one, only
because it really wraps up I think one of the best,
like first three movies, whether it's animated or not. But
Toy Story three, Oh, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
A good one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, I like you, I too have some honorable mentions
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three. I just really loved
it made it wasn't expecting a superhero movie to make
me tear up, but nonetheless it did. T two. Like
you mentioned, it was ahead of its time, especially when
it came to the special effects. It's hard not to

(01:06:38):
mention Empire Strikes Back. I'm not a Star Wars fan
byy mean, but I understand how important that film is. Yeah,
and then Grease too. I just love Grease too. I
wanted just to mention it. But my top four the
Dark Knight, which I think all three of us mentioned,
and then nobody's mentioned either of my other three. I

(01:07:00):
go with Conjuring two, which I think is the best
in that whole franchise. Ten Cloverfield Lane, I love that
makes up for how bad Cloverfield was. That movie just
made me sick to my stomach just from the motion
sickness and then last stomach lastly before midnight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Julie Depley, also before we
catch some real heat and mcash. You may have seen it,
I know, stony and I haven't, but I have yet.
Excuse me, I have yet to see Godfather Part two.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I haven't either, so I never had a desire to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
I really have. I I went to see The Godfather
in theaters when it first came out, and so I
need to go see the second one. But so no
Back to the Future Part two, I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I enjoyed those as a kid, but I've never gone
back in and relived those.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
And no Paddington too. I noticed No One.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Apparently the greatest movie of all time. That's Heart the
highest movie on Rotten Tomatoes or But.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Man, I like all of our lists yours, but cash
is yours is a different one. I didn't think about
the horror genre as as much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
It's an easy route to go, so I didn't give
it much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
It is, but I will tell you there are a
lot of sequels that never add up to the first one. Ever,
so the conjuring too, I do get I like the
first one, but the second one is a strong one.
But if you really think on a lot of them,
they don't. The horror genre is most of the time,
by the time you get to the sequel, it's disappointing
from there, fair.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
How do we categorize something like glass Onion like it's it's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Yeah, I consider anthology just because you got the one character. Yeah,
but then it's totally different stories, which you know, I
mean to me, I'm when you said Rocky three, I
was kind of surprised because I was thinking Creed, Yes,
that is which which it is a good one. It's
like right, yeah, and Blade Runner twenty forty nine, and

(01:09:19):
one of mine is a legacy sequel two but but yeah,
and I will say, oh, I did forget about that one.
You know what, I might have to take one of
mine off. Well, Dune Part two it would be in
my top four, so I would have to take out
one of them. It would probably Oh, I don't want

(01:09:42):
to know. I just I'm chiseling a fifth okay, and
chiseling a fifth one on there, I can't take out
toy story three, Logan's one of the best I've ever
seen a Dark Knight Return of the King.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, but I totally forgot Doom Part two is flip
an epic.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
I'll flip and take your word for it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, I want to argue that there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Yeah, did anyone say wonka?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
All right, just checking? Didn't say it or see it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Just checking?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
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