Ep. 70: Drinking With...Napoleon Dynamite

Pour up a "Tina Tai" and join McCash as he relives this awkward comedy cult classic alongside Brandon and Stoney! Today, we're drinking with...Napoleon Dynamite.

To make the Tina Tai, you'll need: 

-1 1/4 oz Spiced Rum
-1/3 oz Coconut Rum
-1/4 oz Grenadine
-6 oz Passion Fruit Juice

Directions: 

1. Fill highball glass with ice
2. Pour ingredients over ice
3. Garnish with lime and orange wheels

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
And we're rolling.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to Drinking with the Podcast where we raise the
glass of the movies that have reached the legal drinking age.
I'm your host, Stephen mccash and the Sowbros. Network, and
join me as we embark the.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Cinematic Journey Christmas, celebrating their drinking film style podcast episode
of a different film that has stood the test of
time and shake our cultural landscape.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
So grab your favorite beverage to the one we have
curated for this episode, and let's dive down here for
motives that are finally old enough to join us for
a drink. As always joining me at the bar are
the two best people I can think of to stumble
out of a bar after a long night discussing movie versus.
The resident film critic of the Sobros Network, mister Brandon Vick,
who is also a member of the Southeastern Film Critics Association,

(00:48):
a board member of the Music City Films Critics Association,
and more most importantly, the birth giver of the vix
Flicks and Cinema Chronicles podcast that you can hear wherever
you get your podcasts from. And joining him is the man,
the myth, the legend that is behind the Sobros Network,
the e I see the glue of the brand. A
jin Fishinado, a cat lover all around football wordsmith, a

(01:11):
budding sports talk radio star, and the man who gave
Animal House one star but Scoob two and a half stars.
Mister Stony Keey, Oh yeah, Animal House, Sun, I didn't
know that you guys watched that movie. Yes, I've got
a review of it on but it's on behind the paywall,
so I might have to bust that out on National
Movie Dispatch.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I think I have seen that. I don't know. Maybe
I let me tell you. I watched is it Corky's.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Or Porky's Pork?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
I hated that one. Yeah, so maybe I'm confusing that you.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I watched Animal House and was just revolted that people
thought it was funny. People compared it to Old School,
was like a different generations old School, And maybe it was.
But year I thought, this is nothing like old School,
This is atrocious.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Was blushi fun?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, nobody in that film was fun. I think, what
did you say? I gave it my cash one.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
One of the one out of five, but you gave
Scoob two and a half stars.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Scoop was fine.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, I don't know why you're picking on Scoob. Yeah,
it has nothing to do with Animal House.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, scoop rating scale Scoop was fun.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
This is what's going to happen every drinking, Well, we're
going to be check.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, every episodes. I like to add a little something
to the to the show.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Thank you for leaving mine out.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Well, Brandon doesn't put old movies.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
I don't put old movies. No, I don't do that.
I should, yeah, but I do.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'm just stuck on whatever year and I'm going through
I just now started for adding TV shows.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
See, I won't do that. I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't think I can do that either.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, I think it gets too too too much.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well the only ones I've done, I guess were limited series.
I guess because I did disclaimer and did well, no,
I did shrinking there you go. But anyway, but yeah,
I mean, I guess I could do. I guess I
could do other lists.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Of like I want to get I want to eventually
get every movie I've ever seen on there on there.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, if I can remember every movie I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I mean a lot of these because of our
movie review rewind podcast and the Drinking with One, it
has been nice to kind of go back, well, for
the most part, it's been nice to go back and
watch some movies, not every not all of them.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Of course, some episodes more than others.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, this one, I think is one that, at least
for myself, I was, I enjoyed going back to revisit.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I you know, I don't think I didn't hate it,
but I remember being I would have been eighteen years old.
I think I was still technically seventeen when this came
out and just everything.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Today summer of twenty twenty, summer of twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Four, summer of twenty twenty four, Yeah, summer of two
thousand and four when it came out, I believe, And
I remember thinking, I remember like laughing at every word
that came out of Napoleon Dynamite.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
And his brother, which is his brother's still funny.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Just.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Like being so caught up in this is like a
real This checks the box as a cult classic. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, And I got caught up in the cult
of it when I watched it again, and I haven't
watched it since two thousand and four. When I watched
it again this week, literally yesterday before we recorded this episode,

(04:44):
I maybe laughed a couple of times, and I actually
caught myself thinking, Napoleon Dynamite's actually pretty annoying and he
might have deserved to get shoved into a locker.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
What what I remember is it was one of those
where I guess it was maybe it's so dance or something,
and so it had critical buzz people a chance there.
But I remember it was one of those where like
it was one hundred theaters, yeah, in two hundred theaters
and Green Hills was the first one to get it

(05:17):
in the mid in the Nashville area, and some of
us went was that where we are, and so there
was a few of us. I think everybody was stoked
to see it, Yeah, yeah, and I think everyone walked
out of there. Thing was really funny. It was very different.
It's quirky, but now seeing it and I don't I'm

(05:38):
I definitely haven't watched it all the way through since then,
I'm kind of with you, Stony, there's it's it still
has its yeah, the quirkiness and charming of it, but
there are times where I think some things just went
on for too long. Yes, I don't. I arted to

(06:00):
find where Napoleon dynamitees like gosh, I found that to
be annoying. I didn't think it was funny. His brother
was still funny. I kind of liked him, is.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It Roco Rico, Rico Rico.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah, he's hit or miss, He's hit or miss with me.
There's parts where I'm like, oh, you know what that's
that was funny. Then other parts is it's I don't know,
it just seems like it's so some stuff seems really
I mean, in a way it's dated. But even then,
like it feels like it's humor that's not even like
two thousand and four like before that. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, well we'll disagree, we'll agree to disagree, or disagree
to disagree whatever. Sure, we are talking about natotleon Dynamite.
One of the taglines for the film on its posters
and advertisement was he's out to prove He's got nothing
to prove. And I agree with you where Napoleon is
an annoying character at times, but I think that was

(06:58):
part of the plan. Even though some people think he's
you know, heartwarming and quirky and all that shit. I
always found him annoying but yet funny at the same time.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
But I feel like he's one that, like, I think
in the end, you're supposed to be rooting for, and
I'm I don't, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I never saw it that way. Yeah, yeah, okay, I
get your point. But Napoleon Dynamite is centered around the
eccentric and quirky Napoleon as he navigates family struggles, friendships,
and high school life in his small, Idaho hometown. The
two thousand and four comedies humor stems from its offbeat characters,
deadpan delivery, and absurd situations.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's that's it.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, that's it was directed by OSCAR nominated filmmaker Jared Hess, who,
if you didn't nominated for, he was nominated for twenty
twenty four's Best Animated Short Film ninety five Senses.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I didn't catch that one.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
That just happened. But he's done what Nacho Libra?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Nacho LIBRAI the Minecraft movie. It's about to come out.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Oh did he do that with jack Black yep.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
And he is also in development of Shanghai Don, which
would be the third in the series, starring Owen Wilson
and Jackie Chan.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
How about that.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, I'm not interested in it, but that sounds I'm
sure it's fun. But he also did that weird that
weird has Sam Rockwell in it. Something Broncos Gentleman Broncos.
It was a weird movie. I felt like it was
kind of like a Napoleon dead Pan thing, but it
wasn't very good.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I didn't see that any of it.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, well there you go.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
See. But Sam rock Will yeah, he was in it, yep.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
But I uh yeah, Shane, yeah, I'll be honest, I don't.
I don't think I like Jackie Chan anymore.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Did you ever? Did you ever like it?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I mean I kind of did, yeah, But.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Why don't you like him anymore?

Speaker 4 (08:52):
But one, I feel like he hasn't done anything. But
then there's that story about his daughter and like he
kicked her out because she's gay or something for twenty
something years and doesn't pay her any attention. And then,
like somebody else, there's another family thing where they acted
like he couldn't give them money, but he's like worth
I don't know how many millions of dollars. And then
there's also this thing where I mean he's he's in

(09:15):
the Karate Kid movie. Okay he wants to do. I
know they're trying to do another Rush Hour. I mean
it seems like he doesn't really have anything else to
do but sequels. He's kind of like a Tim Allen.
Oh okay, you know, but there is now he did
do a Chinese movie, something about kicking around with a
panda bear or something. So I don't know. I guess

(09:36):
he's doing fine.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, I didn't expect. I didn't expect this to get
to h Jackie.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
I feel like he's a nice guy, but then all
this other stuff and I'm like, well, what's happened?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Is he a real nice guy or is he right?

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
And it feels I don't know, it feels more like
he's sort of a fraud. But let's just assume he's
like a really nice guy, loves his family and all
of his children. He still hasn't done a good I mean,
when's the last movie you saw him?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Then?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I don't know you.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Heard him in maybe the Kung Fu panda movies.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
But actually, I.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Mean to slow down and think about it. Yeah, I
really don't know. For Christo with Jennifer Love Hewitt, I
do love Jennifer Hewitt, Yeah, I didn't think when I
put in a note about Shanghai Dawn happening that we.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Were gonna like five minutes of Brandy going in on
Jackie Chan.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Well that's the beauty of these podcasts. You never know, Yes,
might want to start doing other ship.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's the warning. That's the warning. Well, we'll see what
Minecraft does at the box office.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't have high hopes. But nonetheless, not only one
of my stars, John Heater as Napoleon, Efron Ramirez is Pedro,
and then it features John Grice as Uncle Rico, who
I just discovered the other day that he is greg
on White Lotus.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I I saw that, and I guess you forgot what
he looked like, because I'll be honest. When I saw
him and White Lotus, that's the only movie I thought
of was, Oh, he's in Napoleon Dynamite. Like I don't.
I'm sure he's done other stuff, but White Lotus that's
an interesting show.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I haven't watched. My wife loves it.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
I like the first one, the best, second one was
was wasn't too bad, And I haven't started the third yet,
but Walton Goggins is in it, so you best believe
I love Walton Goggins Man.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
And Lisa from Black Pink is in the third season
as well, So that's what's got my attention.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
I'm refraining because I don't want to go. We just
went down a Shanghaid Jackie Chan rabbit hole. But I
watched Walton Goggins give a tour of his house on
YouTube for Architectural Digest is fantastic videos. We don't have
to go down there and talk about it. And I
just want everybody since his name was brought up, I
want everybody to go watch that video because his house

(11:51):
that's where I would like to live, and he talks
about talks about walking around the property naked all the time.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
I can see him doing that.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah. It also teachers Aaron Rule as Kip Napoleon's brother
Teatrick Vader, and a short little scene or two with
as Rex the karate master you know from Beverly Hillbillies,
Office Space, the Drew Carey Show, amongst other things. Yes,
and then lastly, you had the two females in the

(12:18):
movie Tina Majorino. I think I pronounced her right, It's
Deborah or deb Yeah, Deborah. She was in Karina Karina
Andre and water World, and then lastly, Haley Duff plays
Summer Wheatly. She's a two time Razzie nominee for her
work YEP for her work in the two thousand and

(12:40):
seven film Material Girls with her sister Hillary.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Never heard of it. I've heard of Hillary Duff, but
never heard of that movie. So you're not missing much, man, Like,
what an interesting cast, because who are these people? Yeah,
and as anybody. I mean, they tried to make John
heater a thing. Is it heater or header? I don't

(13:05):
remember how to pronounce it.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
They did one. I mean, you can't blame him. It
was such a hit that. I mean, of course he's
going to do other comedies, and I mean the class Yeah,
I'm bench warmers, you know, classics.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, But like, I just don't This almost feels like
an isolated moment in time. And I know Pedro has
kind of popped up lately in a couple of things, But.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
It was in Hispanic Satanics that I reviewed and interviewed
the director for who directed Blair Witch Project.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
He's in a TV show I can't remember. It's a
pretty popular one.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
I think, but I can't recall observation I.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Can't recall off the top of my hat, but I like,
I just feel like this movie is a moment of
time where everything intersected for a lot of these actors
to play iconic roles that they're probably best known for,
and then they just never really did anything again.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, Jared hess is the only one who still really working.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I mean, it's just kind of crazy when something like
that happens, where the movie is such a cult hit
that it takes off and it kind of takes on
this life of its own, and you would think, like
high Tide raises all ships, but no, it didn't.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
I mean, but I do kind of feel like like
another situation kind of like this one was Blair Witch Project.
And then you think about the three people in it,
what have they done? Yeah, no one even knows whatever
they did after that. So it is kind of crazy
where you think it's kind of like winning an oscar.
You think, oh, now they've made it, but now it's

(14:53):
like John Heater is only one I would say who
tried it, and then I would say, after a few
years it was over.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah. Do you think it's just because these characters are
so unique that like Hollywood, Hollywood does not see them.
They don't think audiences are ever going to see them
as anything other than their Napoleon Dynamite character, I think, and.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Essentially anybody from American Pie movies.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, Sean Williams Scott I probably got
the most.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Out of that.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, but he still feels like Sean Williams Scott and
just about every movie.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Stiller still stiffler. That's true.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, I mean it is true. And even when you
see Jason Biggs, I mean that, I mean it's true.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
You just see American Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
And I think especially Napoleon Dynamites character is so I
mean outlandish, and I mean how could you how could
you run away from that at all? But I mean
but at the same time, I feel like it does
still come down to what choices do you make after that?
When you find something like that, then what do you do?

(15:58):
And if it's Blades of Glory and bench Warmers and
being like I remember being in I think it was
in some Uh is it the Heaven one? Is that
the one that Reyese Witherspoon and Mark Ruffalo, And I
think he's in one of those. He just becomes I mean,
he becomes part of the background. Yeah, Blades of Glory

(16:18):
was I guess maybe his other big one, because that's
when Will Ferrell was his movies. Yeah, and I think
they're trying to do something with Napoleon Dynamite on stage
and touring or something.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh really, So I look at this way. If you're
John Heater or Efron and you're in a movie like that,
your best bet is to hope Kevin Smith directs it,
because he's going to go back to that well over
and over again.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
That's true. Jared Hess should make a sequel of Napoleon Dynamite.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah. We we haven't gotten to our drink yet. We're
twenty almost over, fifteen minutes into the movie.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Oh, we're drinking.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
We've been going a long time.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
We're drinking. So this drink for Napoleon Dynamite I simply
called the Tina Tie out of a playoff to my tie.
You're gonna take a quarter an ounce and a quarter
of spice rum, one third of an ounce of coconut rum,
a quarter ounce of grenadine, six ounces of passion fruit juice,
get you an orange and a lime. You're gonna fill

(17:14):
a highball glass with ice, pour all your ingredients over
the ice and then garnish with a lime and orange
will and that is simply a Tina tie Tina, come
drink your drink. I didn't that it turned out like
I wanted to, but.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I get the vision, though I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Not as good as my Paul Newman impression.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh no, no, back a little bit. So this is
gonna be a difficult one when we come to talk
about budget, box office and things like that, because it
didn't get the release A lot of major films do
and whatnot. But what do we think the budget for
Napoleon Dynamite is or was?

Speaker 4 (17:52):
I mean, shit, eight two thousand dollars, say.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Four hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
So four hundred and what and eight hundred and thirty two.
Stony's closest again at four hundred thousand was.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
The mudge I was counting the end credit scene.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, well that does add an extra two hundred thousand dollars,
which we'll talk about later.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
That's ridiculous. What a waste of money.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
All right, So as we get into the box office,
Fox Searchlight spent three million dollars on advertising for the film,
and nearly paid four million dollars for the distribution, right,
so there's seven million dollars into this film. Opening weekend
in US Canada was June eleventh, two thousand and four.
It opened on a whopping six theaters, so keep that

(18:45):
in mind. New York and LA probably probably. Yeah, So
on those six theaters. Well, I'm not gonna ask you
that yet, but it opened against Chronicles of Riddick, Stepford Wives,
and Garfield the Movie.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, but it's New York in LA.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, and the number one film that week was Harry Potter,
Uh Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. But but it
did beat out Scooby Doo two in the whole ten
yards at the box office that weekend.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
So my question is on six screens, what did Napoleon
Dyna might make opening weekends? Oh?

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Man? So this is coming off of like the festival buzz.
It's getting a release.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
This is very limited, so they're testing the waters.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Man just for a weekend though, just for a weekend.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Just a tip.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I'm gonna say, MM, one hundred and sixty four thousand.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
One sixty four.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm I'm just gonna go with two hundred because that's
kind of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
You both overshot. Napoleon brought it. The Isamite brought in
one hundred sixteen thousand, six hundred and sixty six dollars open.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Out of six theaters.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
That's pretty good, not too shabby.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Nope, it did, you know, eventually expand into more theaters
where it brought in four hundred excuse me, forty four
and a half million dollars US Canada.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
But the world did not really enjoy the Napoleon Dynamite,
or I really don't think they got a chance to
enjoy Napoleon Dynamite, because the overall worldwide uh box office
score was just over one hundred excuse me, I keep
trying to give it more money. Yeah, it was just
over forty six million dollars. It made one point six
million dollars outside of North America.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
I almost poop my white pants when I heard you
say four hundred million, I say, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Out of that, Out of that one point six million,
one point one million was scored in the UK.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
OH area Bulgaria.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Bulgaria never gotten a pall unfortunately, but the Spaniards did,
and they they clocked in six thousand three dollars.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
There you go, which again, who those those are probably
movie buffs, one.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Would think for sure.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
So it made one hundred and twelve and a half
more times more than it costs to make. And that
doesn't include its home video sales, where it brought in
over one hundred and thirty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
That's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, what a run. I mean, so it's gotta be
one of the most successful films of all time percentage wise.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Oh, but that also just tells you what used to
be like when you bought a movie, how much more
money a movie could bring in that they I mean,
there's no way those numbers are like that now, No,
they can't be.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
But man, wow, let's let's get into the rotten tomatoes.
There are one hundred seventy two reviews by the media
for the Tomato Mater made Jesus Christ the third one.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I was about to say, the third.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Podcast of the day, just bragging I haven't had pizza yet.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, So what do we think the tomato meters score
is for Napoleon Dynamite.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I am gonna go seventy eight.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
I was going to say eighty three. Okay, there we
go somewhere around there.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I imagine you both overshot again, we're looking at seventy
two percent.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I don't feel like this. I felt like this film
probably spoke to a particular generation that I don't know
that's true. I don't know that the critics necessarily got
it with this one.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, yeah, I could see them kind of being like
Nose in the year, like a.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Little out of touch from why people out like it?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, well I pulled a couple of those to mention,
and lou Lemonick from The New York Post on June
eleventh of two thousand and four wrote, a little movie
with a lot of heart and a lot of laughs.
So okay, that's positive and rest in peace. Roger Ebert
of the Chicago Sun Times wrote on June eighteenth, there

(23:12):
is a kind of studied stupidity that sometimes passes as humor,
and Jared has his Napoleon dynamite pushes it as far
as it can go.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
See, that's what I'm saying. Out of touch you you
don't understand why people think this is funny.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, which, now I'm I might be more Ebert than
I am Flue.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
But yeah, but for the people that were the people
that were in the cult, at the time it spoke
to them.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I will say, out of the majority of the comedies
we reviewed on this podcast that I've thoroughly enjoyed for
me personally, this one I think has aged the best.
Like I go back to like bring it On, and
Bring it On did not age well at all.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, I will say that as far as standing the
test of time. You know, it's not like we watch
some stuff with like super Troopers where we're like, that's
really Sophomoor immature.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Or dude, where's my car?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Dude, where's my car? I think you can watch some
comedies of the era and like we talked about with
I can't remember, but talking about like, oh, you can't
make that joke today, it doesn't age well. I think
the humor in Napoleon Dynamite is in the mannerisms of
a lot of the characters, and that is stuff that

(24:36):
I think does typically lend itself towards aging pretty well.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, it's not. It's what's funny is like we're talking
about where it's like quirky, but it's not like risky.
I mean like pushing anything that deals with any kind
of you know, raised gender or anything like that. It's
really just I mean oddball characters in Idaho.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
So it didn't take many risks at all. Yeah, with
language or.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Just fine, which is fine, but it also is I mean,
if it played it safe, then it probably does look like, oh,
you know what, we could all watch this again and
be fine. You want to be shocked?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yep. And so we talked about the media. There's two
hundred and fifty thousand plus reviews for the popcorn Meter. God,
what do we think people thought of Napoleon Dynamite.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Has to be higher than seventy two.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I'm going to say eighty five percent, because I do
still think that a large contingency of this film's fan
base is going to be like teenagers of the era
that have that have held it finally in their hearts
throughout the years, and I think there's probably going to
be a lot of people that have gone back since
two thousand and four and watched it and thought, what

(25:48):
the fuck is this?

Speaker 4 (25:50):
You know what parts may want to say, oh, I
bet it's in the eighties, But I haven't been right
about any of this shit today. So I'm just going
to say seventy seven.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
There you go, seventy seven, And would you say eighty two,
eighty five, you both overshot again seventy four.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Okay, all right, that's all right, so it's about even
with it's uh with the critics.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
But the people on Letterbox had a lot of things
to say about Napoleon, starting with Travis k. He gave
Napoleon three stars and simply said, this movie feels like
being in goodwill, that good will hunting.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
But yeah, yeah, oh you know, I can can. I
don't know if we're talking about people or their style,
but their style could be totally good will.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
As someone that frequents a good will, Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I mean they do go to a like thrift store
at one point in the movie.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yeah, I think they mean more than that.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Kadino, who also gave three stars, rights, this is this
Lady Bird but for awkward boys instead of depressed girls. Yeah, okay,
I liked both these films, so I can get I
get it.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Lady Bird is great.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
So Houston Cohley gave it five stars and says, watching
this movie with a group of people who haven't seen
it before is probably one of the greatest experiences you
can have, like as a human being. And I will
say that when this movie first came out on DVD.
I bought it. I'd already seen it in theaters, but
none of my friends had, so I did just that.

(27:36):
I had like five or six people that came over
we had movie night, watched that movie, and I watched
with baited breath to see what their thoughts were gonna
because it's either you're gonna love this movie or you're
absolutely gonna fucking hate it. I don't know anybody who
originally saw Napoleon Dynamite at that time. It was like
as all right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, that's true. It's it. You can't
do a movie like that. You're either going to you're
gonna be praised or they're gonna hate it, and sometimes
it's going to be for the exact same reasons.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, I do remember to that point, like hearing all
the buzz about the movie, seeing the previews, and then
that being one that is like we used to go
to the movies all the time and it would just
be like an open invitation, like if you want to
come to this, come on in. And some there were
some movies that it would just be me and Brandon
for that nobody gave a shit about. Yeah, but Napoleon

(28:29):
Dynamite was one of those that people were like, hey,
when are you guys going to see that? And we
had we had a group of like eight people for
that movie.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
And keep in mind this is also when only one
theater was showing it. Yeah, you had out there, and.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
So it was. It was one of those event kind
of movies for a certain crowd that like it. It
made it the hype. The group experience kind of made
it a little more it. It contributed to the legend,
so to speak.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, yeah, well, and that that goes all the way
to today. Sometimes people say, hey, you know, you should
see this in a theater only because sometimes if you're
watching it at home, it's not the same experience.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Most of the time it's not as a fun experience.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, Like like I only remember advertising for this film
happening on MTV, Like, yeah, watching TRL and you know
Room Raiders and Ship I always saw ads from the
poll time Raiders, but nowhere else. So this next one,
I'll let you, you know, determine what what they're trying

(29:36):
to say here. But Riley Savage gave Napoleon down to
my four stars and says a movie that's most impressive
feet is remaining dry when it could have been so
easy to get wet.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, man, I think I understand what.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I didn't know if they were trying.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
I feel like I feel like you could get well,
I guess you could take it that way. I for me,
there's a bunch of there. It's it's subtle in a
lot of ways. But and because of the dead pan humor,
when it could have been, like you could have turned

(30:19):
it up to what you know, a Jim Carry or
Will Ferrell movie. So that's the way I saw it,
where like, oh, it could have been like totally over
the top, absurd, ridiculous. But there's always this one obviously
is very grounded in many ways, even if the characters
really seem kind of, you know, preposterous.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
But I've got two more. I got two more. We'll
we'll move on. Nev who gave three stars and a
lot of people can agree with this. I want what
Kip and have.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, man, love is love. Kip is almost maybe turned
out to be my favorite character absolutely for me.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah. And then Quinn Louise, who only gave it one star,
simply says this gave me nightmares the first time I
watched it. Damn man, I don't know what to take
about that.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I can see a world where it's difficult to come
out of. If you watch this film and you're just
like trapped in it and like it feels like purgatory,
you go to sleep that night and you get stuck
in that film. Yeah, absolutely, it'd be a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
So this was an award winning film that should not
be looked to pass upon. It was nominated for Best
Popular Movie at the Critics Choice Awards that year. The
other nominees and I'll let you decide who won. You
had Napoleon Dynamite, Incredibles, Born Supremacy, Spider Man two, and
Passion of the Christ.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Oh, I'm gonna say the Incredibles.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
I would probably think the Incredibles are spider Man two superhero,
won't it right?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Spider Man two was your winner, beating out Passion the
Christ fairly. Yeah, it was a Grammy Nomy. Yeah, that's
an odd choice to have in that list. I hope
we don't review that.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I will.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
It has to be just like the box office when
they have now like it, because I know Passion made
a ton of money. It was the highest. It's the
highest grossing rated R movie until Joker. Wow, that's a
long time.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's a run.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, the Power of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
It was nominated for Best Compilation Soundtrack at the Grammys
that year. It won Best Movie, Best Breakthrough Mail, and
Best Musical Performance at the MTV Movie Awards, and it
was a thirteen time Teen Choice Award nominee, taking home
four awards that year.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's the that's the crowd. That's the crowd right there.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
And I was part of that crowd then, even though
I wasn't a teen anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, we were.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I mean you're basically still high school or just out
of high school at that point. The film is based
off a short film called Pecula that Hess wrote and
Heater Start or Header start in about a quirky kid
named Seth. You can find it on YouTube. I went
back and watched it, like seven eight minutes long. Who
it's a It was a struggle to get through those

(33:34):
eight minutes, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Oh damn, Now I want to watch it.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, you can easily find it. Uh. And Header was
paid one thousand dollars for his entire time filming the movie.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Dude, what sucks.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
It sucks now he wisely renegotiated his contract where he
made money on the back end after it was released.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Okay, then he's good.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Made over four hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah. As you may recall, it was filmed. It was
shot in twenty two days, which was one day longer
than it took film to film Clerks and over fourteen
months shorter than it took to film Eyes Wide Shuts,
which took fifteen months.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
That's uh, that feels like a remarkably short time to
make a movie.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, but on that kind of budget, and Shark's budget
was only like thirty thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Man, But what I love is is that if you
think about it, like, yeah, I mean they're only what
school and how I mean farmland? I mean they're not
really like I mean, to make a movie is very difficult,
but I just mean the locations of things that they need.
So apparently the weather and everything must have really worked
out to twenty two days.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yes, it's idaho, I would imagine it works out.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
There ain't nothing there, No one's there to stop you
do anything.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Here's a really interest stink fact, because if Header and
Ephron would have gone on to be bigger stars, they
could have easily saved film companies a lot of money
because they both have an identical twin.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Really, whoa, yeah, whoa, What are the odds of that happening?

Speaker 4 (35:19):
What are the odds of that I.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Didn't do that math that's well above my base.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Goal multivers of madness.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah, and what's not uncommon in Hollywood as people playing
high school characters when they're well above that age. John
was thirty excuse me, twenty six years old at the
time of filming, and Ephron Pedro was thirty one years
old at the time of filming.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
They did a good job because they look away. They
made it.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah, everybody kind of looked like they could be in
their last year of it anyway.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, yep. And then John Heater permed his hair for
the film and drew nearly every one of the animals
you've seen you see in the.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Movie dedication to his craft. He's an actor's actor.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
The scene where the school bus pulls up in front
of a field with a farmer about to shoot a
cow actually happened to Jared Hess in real life. He
was on a bus headed to kindergarten when it happened
to him.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Oh damn.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Oh h. Now, out of all the iconic filmmakers that
have come and gone throughout the years, this is the
favorite film of one of those filmmakers and the one
and only director of Sons of the Land Lambs Jonathan Demi.
This is one of his favorite films of all time.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
That is wow surprising.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yeah, that's a huge compliment to Hess.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
So here's a random question for you. You're it's two thousand
and four. You go to see Napoleon Dynamite in theaters
and Napoleon talks about has his favorite animal is a liger.
Did you at the time think the liger was a
real animal?

Speaker 4 (37:08):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
No, no, I did not.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I did not either, but that's what made the joke funny.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, but it is a real animal. Uh, it's the
result of a male lion who mates with a female tiger.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Does it look like he's drawing?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, I would imagine spot on. Yeah. Now. Header went
on to keep the majority of his costumes when filming wrapped,
and he later traded his vote for Pedro shirt for
one of the original Golden Snitch props. From Harry Potter
and The Sorcerer's Stone.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Of course he did.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Damn, that's a good exchange.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
I think that's a good exchange. But who, like, who
sets that up? Yeah, hey, I'll give you this if
you give me that.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
And like, who do you who do you meet on
set somewhere that has access to something like that?

Speaker 1 (37:58):
It's I'm telling you, Hollywood, Holly weird.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Hollywood. You asked me. Now, it took me twenty one
years to discover this, and we talked about it earlier.
But there is an end credit scene to Napoleon dynamite scene. Yeah,
it includes Napoleon riding riding up on a horse, which
is inspired by the nineteen eighty two Australian film The
Man from Snowy River. What Fox Searchlight did is they

(38:25):
re edited the film to add a five minute epilogue
at the end of the film. The surprise wedding scene
was filmed after its initial theatrical run and costs about
half of what the original film costs to make, which
was two hundred thousand dollars. That's crazy, why and it's
a wedding all that it added nothing. Even if you

(38:46):
were to do a sequel, you that wasn't necessary.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
No, no one even cared.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Why why would you do that? Though? I don't know
did they just maybe they just wanted to.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
I guess they thought, Hey, when we've raised the CVD,
we're going to tell them there's a deleted scene and
there's an end credit.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Scene, and then we'll we'll make that.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Which they did make over one hundred million. Well, yeah,
so in all fairness question, I guess there's money well
spent now that I think about it, But.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I still think they would have gotten the same amount
of money without it. Yes, probably because I have the
DVD still to this day, and you never saw that scene.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I was about saying, nobody knew it is at the.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Very end like it actually it even when I watched it.
You it is on I think whatever it's streaming on Hulu,
it is like it is on it. But it even
goes black for like a few seconds where you would
probably turn it off anyway, Like, well, it takes its
time before it says is it a month later or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
But the thing is with streaming services, what's the credits roll?
They minimize the movie to a box to get you
ready for the next thing. That's showing, so you have
to go back in to actually watch it. It makes
you work to get there, that's true. But I didn't
know about that. And I did know about this fact
as well, that Nintendo and PlayStation both released a video

(40:05):
game based on the film in two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
What really? Yeah, oh my god, I would be curious,
uh to see.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
That they used to and there was a this was
probably at least a few years later, but I think
they tried a Napoleon Dynamite animated series.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yep, I've got notes about that there, all right. While
there's not been a sequel made, there was a short
lived animated series in twenty ten. It ran for six
episodes before being canceled on Fox, and it was worse
than The Clerk's cartoon, which is a little saying a
lot because that was horrible as.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Well, but it wasn't like the main cast apart.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, everybody was back.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Wow. Ouch?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, boy?

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Did that tell you how long that?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah? It's it's lightning.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
It was, It really was, which I didn't know. I'd
love to know the video game. What were the missions?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, feeding Tina, I guess I find that on YouTube
where you can find these people that go through and
play the game.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
And then you could practice your glamour shots would be
one and you're sweet and jamaicquid dance moves.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
The movie was filmed entirely impressed in Idaho, which is
the hometown of Jared Hess And not a single scene
in the entire movie displays any characters at night. No shit,
everything's during the day.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
And the whole community impressed and surrounded itself with this film,
and to help keep the budget down, residents of the
town often housed and fed many members of the crew
during filming.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Well that's nice. I mean he's not even paid one
thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
So I have an update on the Napoleon Dynamite video game.
You can watch some buddy play it on YouTube, okay,
and the chapters include dance practice, Tin Football toss, Pegas's Fight,
time Machine, dance practice, tether ball, oh, cake building, dodgeball,

(42:18):
bike jumping for that yeah, oh yeah, and let's see
what's rex kwondo.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
This sounds really fucking boring.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Stuff like that. Yeah, there you go. You can find
that on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
You get really stone and play that video game and
you have a great experience.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
I bet that's probably the only reason.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah. Now, when test audiences got to see Napoleon Dynamite,
they were thrown right into the film and left a
bit confused as there were no opening credits during the
test screenings. They were later filmed in the cinematographer's basement. Uh,
but then had to be reshot because the studio did
not like the look of John Heater's hands as he's

(42:59):
putting the food dishes on the table with the opening
credits written among them, and they decided they wanted a
hand model instead.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Ouch. Poor, Yeah, damn, just let him, Yeah, let him
do his thing.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I did.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
I did like the intro where it's all food and yeah,
that was Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Jared Hess claims he only so. The name Napoleon Dynamite
was original to Jared Hess as far as he knew,
but it was actually a name used in a number
of Elvis Costello songs back in the early nineteen eighties
and Jared Yeah, And when Jared Hess claims he only
learned of it the week prior to filming rapping from

(43:43):
an extra on set, he says if he would have
known that the name existed earlier, he would have changed
the entire character's name and movie title.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, please tell me you have some for that?

Speaker 4 (43:59):
What could be? What could be his name?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Well, in the short film his name was Seth Yeah, which.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
A fun what a fun movie title? That would be? Yeah, Yeah,
you guys see Seth Seth Dynamite, Seth Dynamite.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
But Elvis Costello has been quoted that quoted in in
interviews about Napoleon Dynamite, and Jared Has not knowing about
the name, basically calling calling bullshit on it. He's like, dude,
you know you knew that name existed, But I'm like,
I don't know who deep dives Elvis Costello discography looking
for names?

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah, Jared Has says, what was he in his twenties
when he was doing this? I don't think I don't
think he thought, hey, do you you do know Elvis
Costello's sin? Is that right? I don't think anybody even
thought of Elvis Costello?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
How have you gone this entire podcast without mentioning that
Jared has directed Masterminds too?

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Oh did he?

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
That movie?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Oh my gosh, that is that's Galis Owen Wilson, Jason Sedeikis,
and Kristin Wigg Kate McKinnon. Isn't it. Oh, that's a funny, ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I need to go check that out. Things, I like
everybody you just said.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Yeah, it's a it's a ridiculous Yeah, it's very ridiculous,
dumb movie.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
But it's it's I think it's one of the more
underrated comedies of the last decade or so.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
And is it? Isn't it? I think Kate McKinnon and
Zach Galifanakis are married in that one.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, oh, I know what.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
You're talking about. Yeah, yeah, I saw the I remember
the previous for that, but I never did see that.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Go see it.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
It's go see it in theaters now.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, I'm on my way. Let's wrap this up so
I get out of here. I just kind of screwed myself.
I don't know what I do with my notes. There
we go, all right. So one another thing. I've learned
that if you go to the offices of twentieth Century
Fox or their lot, really, you will find a full
size bronze statue of Napoleon Dynamite on its campus, paying

(45:59):
homage to the film and his success.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Wow? Now was that before Disney bought it? Probably it's
probably dead. No, it's probably been throwing the sea into
the Gulf of America.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, all right, so I've got some KODA would have
showed as for casting. So I'll start by saying John
Heater was not the original pick to play Napoleon Dynamite,
but rather he was set to play the bully Randy.
But when the director couldn't find anybody he liked for Napoleon,
he had Heater looko the part, and that's how the

(46:33):
casting Napoleon Dynamite came about.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
So I just a quick question. So Hess and Heater
do a short film that's sort of based on Napoleon Dynamite,
but he doesn't think Heater can actually play Napoleon Dynamite.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's what I kind of questioned as well, because if
you watch Pecula like I did, it's Napoleon. It's the hair,
it's the look, everything, there's a different there's a different Pedro,
actually Pedro as a very small character. There's a different
Hispanic character that plays his best friend as well.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
So I think, uh, I think Heater has been dicked over. Yeah,
like you do a short film, I'm only going to
take a thousand dollars and then you can't find anybody,
so I'm gonna do it. And he was going to
play the bully. That sounds even more weird.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Well picture this. You've got John Heater as Randy the Bully.
And then the only name that I have in my
notes considered for the role of Napoleon was Jake Jillenhall.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Oh, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
That wou First of all, the budget goes yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
First of all you making that well not yes, it
can't be four what was it four hundred thousand?

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Uh, that's I can't even see. That just doesn't seem
I don't like it. I don't like any of it.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I don't like it either.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Stay with me. Here, you got Jake Killen Hall as
Napoleon and as Uncle Rico. You have the star of
the Incredibles, Jason Lee Man.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I don't like that either.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
I don't like any of it. This casting is awful.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I have a name for deb and that's no. But
you're close. Well, I mean, you got me with Alicia.
Who is it? That's Elijah du from bringing On.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Oh okay, all right, I'm with you. That's the only
one that might that might have might work. But I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I just I feel like they got but isn't it.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
But again we talk about lightning in a bottle, like
he couldn't find anyone, so heater or had to take
basically had to step up to the plate. And then
even like with with Rico, I can't like of all
the like Jason Lee would have been too young. First
of all, I mean Rico, you know, like Rico is a.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Trying to picture Jason Lee in two thousand and four
in my head.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Well, remember he was in The Incredibles. Yeah, remember you
saw him in it.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
He looked pretty young in that.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, sounded really young.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
I picture him in like Mall Rats or Chasing Amy.
That's that's yeah, Jason Lee.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, but we do have.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Two names for the role of Rex. I think Dietrich
Bader was perfectly cast for that role, but everybody loves
Raymond's Brad Garrett was up for the role.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
That would have been so weird.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And then lastly Jack Black as Rex.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
I mean I could, yeah, I could kind of see it,
and that's why I ended up doing stuff with him later.
But yeah, I didn't none of that. They would I
don't know, I just it would all stick out too much. Yeah,
I guess maybe with Jack Black that's reasonable because Rex
is in I don't know what ten minutes of it
may be top and he would bring the energy. Don't

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get me wrong, but oh yeah, yeah, I mean Jillenhall
and Jason Lee just I'm glad things didn't work out
for others to work out because that I don't even
think it would have the success.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Probably.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I think this is one of those cases where going
with the unknown, yeah, better than bringing in a name. Yes.
As far as notes wise, that's really all I have
for Napoleon Dynamite, But I you know, obviously quotes. This
is an extremely quotable film. At least it was twenty
one years ago. I still say, your mom goes to

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college all the time.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, that was that.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
I'm going to be honest, I totally have forgotten most
of what came from Kip, And I think that's why
he's my favorite is because the ship, you would say,
and my favorite is after he says that, the look
on his face like so yeah, like he is so proud,
and I do like why I'm busy and he's like
fixing nachos and he's like, well, can at least bring

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my chapstick.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I like that, I still say so. I guess you
could say things are getting pretty serious. I forgot that
that's where that's where I picked that up from. And
being on football Twitter, you still hear references to Uncle
Rico all the time.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Oh I bet throw the.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Ball over them their hills or whatever. People will say that.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Yeah, I don't think I really quote anything. I don't
think I quote anything from it. I just I remember
some of the mannerisms and stuff that came from Napoleon Dynamite.
But yeah, I really I really like kIPS Kip stuff. Yeah,
I actually, I actually if when I was laughing it

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was mostly because of Kip because of the way he
the way he acts and when when they are with
with Rex and he tells him to do that like
take me off my feet, does that sweeping kicks?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
So I thought of Orange.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
It is so pathetic. And the way Rex keeps hitting him,
you know, it keeps holding his ears over and over.
It's funny. I want this movie about Kip. Yeah, if
it's an hour, Yeah, then if it's an hour and
a half, I probably be Like.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
A lot of times when somebody keeps complaining about how
hungry they are. I'll just say, just make yourself a
dang case of.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Do you Yeah? I think the Grandma was funnier.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
I yeah, I did too.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I love the line that Kip says to deb, I
see you're drinking one percent? Is that because you think
you're fat? Because you're not. You could be drinking whole
if you wanted to.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
That's the way that he thinks he's cool. Yeah, and
livery and just like they again, the way they dressed
and stuff. It really I there's movies where it's kind
of like, oh, I mean costume for Napoleon Dynamite, like
not for just from the movie. Tell me it doesn't
put you right in right in the lives they're living.

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I love kIPS. Yeah, I love kIPS wardrobe and with.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Certain people that I know have a fondness for this movie,
like I do. If I'm on the phone for them,
I called them up and be like you bring me
my chapstick.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
There's so much I kind of have forgotten about as
far as like the lines, like word for word, but
it is very quotable. But I'll be honest, I think
it's really like the dancing number at the end. I
think the Tina thing, and the Pedro shirt is the

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thing that like are always I feel like everywhere, like
if they show a scene like as they go through stuff,
like you know how like Edward shows, it's always the
dancing scene of his And then like I said, any
of like the little niche stores that have vote for Pedro,
it's always there.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Twenty one years later you walk into like a Halloween
Express or a Spirit you're gonna see the wig the
vote for Pedro shirts.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
All so all this all this time later.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
But I think it's like Spencer's and other places, like
I think there's like action figures of them.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Oh, I'm sure, stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Or Lunchbox anybody knows that store. I think they've got
all kinds.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Of lunchbox or is it box lunch.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Yeah, that's it. It's Box Lunchbox. It's my favorite radio personality.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Okay, I'll take your word for that. Yeah. I think
there's a lot of cultural things, you know, the language
of the film, the look of the film. Uh, this
was basically like a Will Anderson ship is his name
Wes Anderson film to me with the look and vibe
of the film, but actually good and funny.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
I kind of got Rico vibes off of like I
feel like the Rico the Wrestler reminds me of Rico
from Napoleon Dynamite. Not sure, not sure if that's a
coincidence or not.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
But I'm trying to decide if I want to let
that Wes Anderson insult go or not.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Well, you do love him, you do love.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
To put this in the stratosphere of Wes Anderson's work.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
He doesn't know any better.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
My chest hurts right now.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
But do anything you'd like to talk about with John Cusack?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
He would have been a great uncle Ricoh.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
God, I we don't know what I'd rather have him
than Jason Lee.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
What's on the calendar for John Cusack?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
There's nothing. I think we're done for a.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
While, thank god, for a very long time.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I don't even know what would be next.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
I don't either, what about a stunt double? But yes, no,
I think it's kind of more of just the overall
vibe and stuff of the movie and the some of
the costumes and shirts that I really I mean, like
you said, it's still everywhere to this day. It's it's

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definitely a part of the culture. Whether you think it's
funny or not anymore. It's definitely there.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I definitely agree.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
I wonder if people in high school now watch it
and think, oh, that shit's funny. I don't know, you know,
because they've seen a lot more stuff now.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
My biggest question mark about.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
This does it still apply to people who are that
age when we saw it? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Well, let's get a van, let's go to a middle
school and I.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Got I gotta stop you right there. Yeah, I got
a family.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Okay, okay, well we'll knock off the idea of taking
a bunch of junior high kids to see Napoleon Dynamite
to get their thoughts. But uh, one thing I can
ask you, guys, our Mount Rushmore question as we wrap
up and get out of here, is your favorite low
budget films and buy low budget films? I mean one
million dollars or less?

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, so do you have yours brain?

Speaker 4 (57:19):
I think so. I had to look it up because
I wasn't sure what hardly anything's made for a million
dollars these days. Yeah, but I'm going to go with
now this is according to IMDb, I think, so, I
hope this is right.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
But Reservoir Dogs see it was on my list, but
if you go to their Wikipedia page, the budget says
one point two million. All right, so I crossed it off.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
I had a couple that were like that, that were
borderline that I was like, ah shit, but.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I would have had Reservoir Dogs on my list as well.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Well, there's also Rocky is on this one.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Rocky's on my list, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Rocky okay, and then uh, Blair Witch Project.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
That's an easy one.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
And then well, if I can't use Reservoir Dogs, I
would say Blood Simple, which was the Coen Brothers first movie.
I actually just saw it a year or so ago.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
And then.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
There was something else I saw. I know which one
is going to be on mcash's, but I'm not gonna
say it. Say it well, no, I mean I kind
of wanted to do a different one too. You know
what I'm gonna go with with Ryan Johnson's Brick as Joseph,

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and I think it's his first. I think it was
his first movie, one of his first films, if not
his absolute first. But it's really good if you guys
haven't seen it, but uh yeah, I'll go with that.
A couple of honorable mentions. I I did like Paranormal
Activity when it came out and that is it. Oh sorry,
well that was on my.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Honorable mentions that I.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Just remember that being a thing where it was by
word of mouth and then when you finally did get
to see it. Yeah, and then I'll stop there in
case some of these are are y'alls. But yeah, so
I'll go with that.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yeah, I would dip into the horror genre and go
with I didn't fact check these, they were just on
the list from IMDb or somewhere. I don't remember Texas
Chainsaw Massacre.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Yeah, Halloween Halloween's a good one.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I would I would put Rocky on there. Yeah. And
then with a budget, a supposed budget of four hundred
thousand dollars, I would put easy Writer on mine.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Oh that great choice. Yeah, it'd be easy. If you
go back in like sixties seventies, you can find a
lot of movies under that.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Yeah, Halloween Halloween is a that's a really good one
because that's still that's still is is weird and scary.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Uh. Some of mine have already been mentioned, but I
do have. I think if you wanted to do this
on just horror films, you could be here all day
listening films from the million dollars, and my honorable mentions
are just that I have Paranormal Activity, Evil Dead and
Wreck two are three great films. But then my my

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real four list Texas Chase on Massacre, I have, I
do have Blair Witch. I have Clerks because I still
love that film. I could do without all the sequels
to it, but stand alone Clerks is still a great film.
And then one I don't know if either of you
have seen or even heard of, but uh, your Sister
Sister starring Emily Blunt h and Mark Duflus. I feel

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like one of my favorite independent films of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I feel like you've talked about it on a podcast before.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I probably have Sister Sister.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Yeah are oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I have. And
also I don't know why when he said that, I
thought of Sunshine Cleaning with her with her and Amy Adams,
and there's no way it made it. It's no way
it was made for a million dollars. But yeah, I
do know what. I do know what the movie is.
I thought, uh the list I saw, and maybe I'm wrong,

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but I saw Heathers. I thought m Cash was gonna okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
So Heather brought my wife Heather brought that up last
night when I asked her the question and she mentioned it.
But we were driving home after seeing a movie and
I was like, oh, I need to look that up
to see if it's true or not. And I just
forgot and never did. But if Heathers is in fact
a film under a million dollars, it would be the
top of my list.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Well that's what I thought. That's why I was like, Oh,
I bet Clerk's and Heathers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And I would pick out your sister. Sister.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
It says one point one point Wait, the budget for
the movie Heathers was a little more than the one
point one million.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
It made it the office boom. Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
It's well now it acts like the budget was like
two million.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
I don't see how that movie costs two million dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Wikipedia says it was three million.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Yeah, so we're all so I don't know, let's count then, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Okay, next time, we'll just do what's your favorite movies
under two million dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
What I like, though, is like Ryan Johnson, Tarantino, Cohen Brothers,
like all of their movies are made, let's just say
around a million or less, Like, yeah, that is really Carpenter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
You could. I could if I'd have thought about it.
We don't get we're not allowed to speak his name really,
but I guess I could go back and find what
are you allen films that were under a million dollars?
Because what did he do? Not what? It's who? Yeah,
and it wasn't Elastic Girl Rest in peace. He's still

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with us as of this reporting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
He was saying it about his career.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean also this might be really
good timing. Maybe he just dead now?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Is he coming? Is he back in the lab? Or
am I thinking of somebody else that's like really, I.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Think he's given up because I kind of thought.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I was like, oh, I didn't think he was allowed back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
No, he made some movie. He's made a lot of
movies overseas since all this, But I think he's I
think he's finished his last one. I don't think anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I think it's got to the point where he really
he still has people who want to work with him
just because the fact of his name, but it's hard
for him to get financing unless he does it on
his own at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Yeah, or I mean, other countries have and so then
he shoots them there. Yeah, but I mean to start
getting big names to come over there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I think you know, Dan, He's made a lot of movies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah, Kuda Chance in twenty three was his last credit film.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
That's it. Yeah, I was gonna say I think that
was his last one, and that's French.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah. Yeah. The last one I saw was A Rainy
Day in New York in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I like that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
I don't think I finished that one. I don't know
what my last one was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Harris is one of my all time favorite movies. Yeah,
it's a great film. I love Scoop with Scarlett Johanson.
It's one of my favorites of his. Manhattan Murder Mystery
with Alan Alda is a fave as well, Say what
you want. Man made great films back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
I love that we're ending the Napoleon. We started with
dragging Jackie Chan and now we're ending reliving Woody Allen's filmography.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Look, I could do a couple of hours on Woody
Allen films, but I don't think we're allowed to do
that in today.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Yeah world, Yeah, I don't know if anyone would listen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Yeah, I don't know. I think you can do whatever
these days. Yeah, just say whatever you want, no cares.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
You can salute how you want, say what you want exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Yeah, it's just a wave. You got excited.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
It's just you give your heart to people. That's what
it does.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Run around on stage with a chainsaw doing whatever the
fuck you want.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yeah, and what a time to be alive.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Let's do Yeah, Yeah, let's do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
It, Simpson write them down there, we go retrospect. Yeah,
one of them is dead, so who here is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Possibly both of them?

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
And who's it? Uh? Who's it that the other troubled
director for pedophilia Polanski, let's just throw him in the
mix as well. Well, yeah, Mel Gibson and the guy
who directed Powder.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Yeah, that guy who directed Powder.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I forget his name, but he had some child issues
as well. This we worked for Disney.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Well, that's like those people that work for Nickelodeon.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Yeah, let's plan this podcast when the Michael Jackson bio
pick comes out.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we go that's a good idea.
And I can't And Antoine Fuke was doing that one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah. Really, Michael's nephew, Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Nephew Miles Teller's in it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
How about there's quite a few.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Coleman Domingo I think he plays I think he plays.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
The father, he plays Joe.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Yeah, so I don't know. It's it's tough to watch her.
It's just tough. Yeah again great, uh, great artists, but
the trouble, it's just gross. I'm talking about John Heater.
By the way, I don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I thought you were going to go John Cusack because
that would.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Be easy for you. No, I believe it or not.
I tried to get us back on truck.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Look, we've steamrolled off the mountain, off the tracks. Yeah,
in a deep abyss here. So a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
People turned this off about ten twelve minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Uh so let's get out of here. Then, let's let's
tell everybody where they can find us on these internet streets.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I'm at Stony Keeley at Sobro's Network. Yeah, and do
a lot of stuff. You can find me all over
the internet.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Yeah, that's sir Brandon Vee on Twitter, Brandon on Letterboxed,
and of course the great newly found Nashville movie Dispatch yep.

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Drinking With, where we explored the films that have come
of age. Just like a fine wine, we raise our
glass to movies turning twenty one. We laughed, reminisced, and
so until next time, may your drink be cold, your
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and remember age is just a number, but great films
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have to return some videotapes