Ep. 78: Drinking With...Saw

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
The So Brose Network presents the Movie Podcast, breaking down
films and their impact on pop culture as they approach
the legal drinking age. This is Drinking With Now. Here's
your host, Steven m cash.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to a very special Halloween edition of Drinking With
the Podcast, where we raise a glass of the movies
we love, one drink at a time. I'm your host,
Stephen mccash, and tonight we're celebrating a cinematic milestone, a
film that turns twenty one years old this year. That's right,
these movies are legally old enough to drink, and so
are we. Each episode, we deep dive into a classic film,

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exploring its cultural impact, the stories behind the scenes, bits
of juicy trivia, and of course, we craft a custom
cocktail inspired by the movie itself, which we'll get into
in a little bit. But tonight it just isn't any episode.
It's Halloween season, spooky season, if you will, and that
means the lights are low, the drinks are dark, and

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the scares are absolutely on tap. So grab your glass,
turn out the lights, and join us as we visit
the horror hit that started it all, James Wants two
thousand and four Classic Saw now I said, I'm a
cash and of course I'm not facing Jigsaw's twisted traps
alone tonight, joining me as always as my partner's in poores.

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The men who never met a movie or cocktail. They
couldn't dissect mister Brandon Vick and you can't see him
off screen, but mister Stony Keeley is here as well.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Brandon is the resident film critic of the Sobros Network
and also a member of the Southeastern Film Critics Association
and board member of the Music City Critics Association, as
well as the creator birth giver you will of the
Vick Flicks and Cinema Chronicles podcast that you can hear
wherever you get your podcasts from. A Stony Keey, the
man responsible for us all being here tonight. He's the

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eic of the Sobros Network, a jennificionado and cat lover.
He is a man who finds beauty and heartbreak. He
finds beauty and heartbreak, poetry and pain and hope and
yet another Tennessee Titans rebuilt. He is a true connoisseur
of sadness and spirits. Now, we couldn't tackle this live

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stream episode alone. Every year for the past five years now,
we've had this special guest with us as well. She
is a true horror heavyweight joining us tonight. She's the
unofficial official scream Queen of the Sobros Network, the Ultimate
Final Girl, and the co owner of danger Zone Video,
which is where we reside tonight, where the scares never

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stop and the VHS tapes fite back. Please welcome the
one and only Brittany Fernandez. Everybody, how are we doing tonight?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
That sounds like him?

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Yeah, that's perfect, spot on.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I was throwing ass of that intro though. That was
I need that?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Like, yeah, yeah, I noticed you didn't say I was
co owner of danger Zone.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I thought you were this the money man. You weren't
like a face.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Of the I've sold some candy bars, O sure. Also
shout out to Frankenstein's monster up here. Look at this
guy we brought in some That's a beast.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
We brought in some heavy hitters tonight.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
That is a beast.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
In case Billy the little Puppet comes rolling around.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Good.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I love to stick my tongue.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
The acknowledge your tribal chiefs, sir.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh yeah sorry, I uh?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
And like I said, he's off camera producing directing as
we go along. But I'm assuming mister Stony Keeley's doing
well as well tonight, has she?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Has she done this before? He's never done like the Lives?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, no, It's always been there, but I like to acknowledge.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I mean no, I'm just always thinking I was thinking,
h if he had been.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now again, we appreciate you guys joining us tonight watching
along with us. In case you didn't know, Saw follows
two men who wake up chained in the grimy bathroom,
discovering their pawns in a sadistic game orustrated orchestrated by
a mysterious figure simply known as Jigsaw. As they fight
to survive, the film unravels a serious of moral tests
and gruesome traps that challenge their will to live. Now,

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this is what really started it all for James Wand
who directed this.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, it was his first.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Major film, even though this is an independent film in theory,
but it grew to be much more than that. James
Wand directed and co wrote the film. You know him
from Assidious, The Conjuring and oddly enough Furious seven.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
That's right, and Aquaman and Aquaman, Yes, don't forget that one.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
And then it was written also written by Lee Wannel,
who we know from Midsidious, The Invisible Man and Cooties.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
He wrote Love the Invisible Man with Elizabeth moss.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yep, and I loved Cooties.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Any Cooties, I don't think I have.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's a nice littlerror comedy.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
It stars Carrie l Wes as doctor Lawrence Gordon, who
you know from Princess Bride, Robin hood Mean and Tights
and one of my favorites, The Crush with Alicia.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I remember that one so good.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And then Lee Wennell is back again. He plays Adam
who acting wise you know who from the Insidious franchise
Bye Bye Man and the aforementioned Aquaman.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Oh he was he was Adam? Yeah, I had.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
I didn't know that until recently.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
And I'll be honest. I also totally forgot Danny Glover.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Would I rewatched it recently, could have been years since
I've seen.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I forgot all about I was. I was shocked. And
that dude is he from Lost as.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
The Asian detective. Yeah, he's from Lost.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
You know the other guy that.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Works in Yeah, he was Lost. There's two people from Laws.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Right, Okay?

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
And Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Then you have Danny Glover, who said he plays detective
Detective Tape, simply known mainly from the Lethal Weapon film series.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
That's all you need, because he's too old for this ship.
Monica Potter as Alison Gordon, the wife of Carrie ELS's
doctor Lawrence. She's from Parenthood, Patch Adams con Air, somebody
I absolutely loved in this film. In the and going
on in the franchise, Shawnie Smith plays Amanda you get
to really know in future films, but she's from the

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Saft franchise, the TV show Becker that I forgot all
the classes dancing, and one of my favorite eighties comedies,
Summer School. And then and then, lastly, but not least,
Tobin Bell. Yeah, John Kramer aka Jigsaw, who I only
know from the Saw franchise, but I was in a
film with him. He was in the Firm. He played

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the Nordic mand in the Firm.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Can I just say, I am totally amazed every time
that you give yourself a plug for your acting that
you've done. Yeah, they come out of nowhere, but I
am so impressed. I'm assuming you didn't talk to him
or was he a nobody when you know him? Did
you know who was?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I feel like I need to point out Lee One
El's greatest writing credit is the movie Lava Lanceela.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I really missed that.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Just watch you should absolutely watch it. Lava Breathing Tarantula's whoa?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
What will help you get ready to watch Lava Lanceola?
And the rest of this special episode is our drink
for tonight, Yeah, simply called the Red Spiral, which I've
already set them up for us tonight. It's two ounces
of Vodgo, a half ounce of Triple sick, one ounce
of cranberry juice, a half ounce of fresh lime juice,

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and a quarter ounce of simple syrup with a lemon
or lime twist for spiral effect. You're gonna rim the
glass with some red sugar or some crushed red candies
like Jolly Ranchers. If you have it, shake the vodka,
triple set, cranberry juice, lime juice and the syrup with
ice straight into prepared martini glass, top with.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Your your twist, and there you have a happy Halloween.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
There you have a Red Spiral. It tastes like diabetes
in a cup.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Oh my, hang on, let me check myw you once see,
let me do that first.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'm sorry, why don't you ask Britney first? I think
she's enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Fun fact they're not all winners.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Fun fact no one drinks this out.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Oh boy, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I just I feel like I was too eager. I
went in too hard with y.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
It tastes fine. I think vodka is the main thing
in this, and you know, I'm alright with it.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I kinda realize we're about to talk about some secrets
in this film that I can't reveal to my two
co hosts. So you need a moment.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
You've got two other drinks? Can can we cut the
this has gone off the rails.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Already have some.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Of your diabetes wine and you're gonna chase insider.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
I'm gonna chase the cocktail with thee.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Is that Pumpkinsider? I don't know if I want to
plug something if you.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Don't like it, but oh it's delicious, Okay, go ahead,
docks Docks Cider? Okay, I got it at Mount Juliet
Beer Company.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
No, sir, yeah, all right, it's no Miller Lite. Am
I right?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
What is?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
What is?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Let's talk money?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I kind of mentioned at the forefront that this was
an independent film. It grew into something much more than that.
Oh yeah, but what do we think Saw took to
be made?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Sorry before? I don't know if people realize that. For
at least what five six years, this started a Halloween
tradition and me and Stony and some other friends would
go see this every year around Halloween up in uh Murphysboro, Tennessee.

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This movie Saw Saw too, Saw three? Like, we actually
saw those as we were as we're in college, in
between having.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Sex drinking beer with each other.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I mean maybe I think we're impersonating wrestlers. I don't
think there's any sex one at all. I was personally
doing Valvenos, of course. But but you know what, it
was cool to like, oh, hey, Saws coming out on Halloween.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, none of us have dates. Let's go, yeah,
let's go.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
That's cool, all right?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Money money, yeah, and this is the first one, so
I don't expect it to yep, I don't expect.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
It to be that yeah, And I mean there wasn't
really that much.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
It made a ton of money. I'm gonna say like
four million, and that may even be too much.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
I was gonna say three point five.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Okay, you neither one of you would make the final showcase.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
On the press man Drew carry.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
One point two million?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Oh my word, okay, that's it.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Wow, you're telling me that Robin Hood Men and Tights. God,
couldn't at least get a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Not for that film. Damn, I don't even think about
the leant guy.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I don't. I don't even Danny Glover did.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
It for free. Yeah, theyld yeah, Danny Glover's rate.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
They gave him cheese its. They just threw cheese its
on the floor and he acted right.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
So White cheddar Yeah, White cheddar.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
My god, he's a legend.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Let's talk, uh box office, okay, okay. So it opened
October twenty nine, two thousand and four. Oh, that's close,
that's actual twenty first birthday is only twelve.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Days, okay, all right, all right? Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
It opened on over twenty three hundred screens. It opened
opposite the Jonathan Glacier drama Birth Starring.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Because Just Got Outage Criterion Collection.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
And also, uh, opening that weekend was Ray with Jamie Fox.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Don't get me started, Don't you get me started? I
Got a woman way over Town.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Saw did not open at number one, but was in
the top five opening weekend US Canada. What are we thinking?
Saw brought home?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Okay, it's rated.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Are you said? It was one point what million?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
So it definitely made it. It had to make its
budget back. It opened in the top five, just not
number one, correct, right? And I feel like Ray was
out for like a couple of weeks at least opened together.
Oh they did open both ray.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
According to Box Office Mojo, Ray and Birth opened along
with Saw.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
I'm going to say in it okay, and I'm going
to say nine million, nine million.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Oh that's probably.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Too high, but I think it's single digit.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
That was going like way high.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Uhwelve, I'm not very good at this.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
I'm the worst at this.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Nine and twelve of Brittany would come up on the
stage this time because she went under the most. Saw
brought in eighteen million, two hundred and seventy.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Six thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
God, good for them.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
God that's more than a smashing machine.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
So yeah, oh my god, like six times more.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh, your top five was the Richard gear classic Shall
We Dance?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Thank You? With Jennifer LOPEZEP.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Shark Tail, Yes, Vin, Saw, Okay, Ray and the grudge.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Oh okay, okay, we were talking about doing that.

Speaker 7 (13:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Uh total domestic box office. I really thought this made
more money. Saw it brought in in the US and
Canada fifty little over fifty five million.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Dollars, But how many Bulgarians saw it?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
We'll get there. Worldwide it made a total. With the US,
it made it right at a little over one hundred
and three million.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Ok What was the budget again?

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Ye at one point. Yeah, it made money. I just
thought it made more.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
No, we don't how much it made. Ninety eight million dollars.
I mean, my god, so the and remember Danny Glover
was paid in cheeses. Yeah, the floor didn't even put
a bowl.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
God, So the UK brought in a little over twelve
and a half million dollars. In Italy right at six
and a half million dollars. Our friends in Bulgaria sixty
one thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Okay, Oh you know what, they they love themselves some film.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, you would think the perfect the perfect country for
a film like this did not accept it. Serbia fifteen
fifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I've always been disappointed in them.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
You would think so, like we you talked about this
started a yearly tradition for the next of one, two, three, four, five,
six years of continuous SAW. So this SAW made like one,
one o three is what I said worldwide. Saw two
you get a jump to one forty seven, and then uh,

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SAW three is one sixty five. Saw four gets a
drop to one thirty nine, Saw five drops even further
to one fourteen, and then SAW six.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
This is where the the.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Studios were like, we might be done with this one.
Saw six brought in sixty eight million dollars, but then
SAW three d which was number seven. I remember nothing
about uh bounce back at with one hundred and thirty
six million dollars.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
No, I don't. I'll be honest, I don't really remember
shit about most of these.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, I remember like this one, the second one, and
then stopping at the third one being like, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I would like to go on record by saying I
don't really want to do these for any other Soul
movies I would like to do too, and then then
that's it.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
We're not doing too.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Right now for the live stream right right now? Sure,
but I mean you have to think with their budget
and the money they make. I mean, it's so cheap.
I mean big I mean big picture. It's so cheap
to do.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I mean horror in general as a genre.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Right, I mean starting with Halloween. I mean it's cheap.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Overall. You like the film, yeah, you as well?

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I was born a Christian and I was offended by
someone you can spell, let alone be one.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
He's God, right, So.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I'll be on I I really, I don't want to
say I enjoyed it, but I did. It's cool for
what it's cool for.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
What it was.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
I do like the ending, and I kind of like
the themes of it because I don't think you've seen
anything like that, and it is and they push I mean,
and that's kind of what makes it like where the
other ones like it just starts to become about how
gruesome it can be without like we really have lost

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the message of what literally what Jack Soul was wanting
to do. Yeah, but I did. And I actually just
watched this just a few days ago so it could
be fresh on my mind, and I I actually think
the acting is pretty good.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
I loved it, Like the some of the scene where
Adam's acting out, like his fake death. It's almost like
this is like borderline campy my alley, so like it's
dealing with all of this like super like like dark twisted,
like people are lying, people are cheating, people are like

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doing all sorts of like terrible things. And then it's
just like Adam the whole time, it's just being this like.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
But can I say, watching it now, and like when
Carrie Eyles is talking to these students and Jigsol's laying
there and then that guy from Lost or whatever shows up,
it all looks like it's painfully obvious of what is
going on. But I guess at the time it didn't.

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But I I will say I I was shocked at
Carrie Eyles lost to Djil Washington and training.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Day as Els said it was.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I watched numerous YouTube video to make sure I
carry Eulis.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Carrie Eulis lost the Oscar Carrie to Denzel Washington for
training day wait for this, Yeah, I was looking up
cannot be sometimes.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
For those of you watching on YouTube or Facebook or
x feel free to leave us comments on what you
thought about Saw as well. Love to know what you think.
But what do we think the the journalists of the
movie world thought about this on Rotten Tomatoes. I will say,
there's one hundred and ninety four reviews on rotten tomato
by the critic from the critics. I don't really know

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from research if they are from day one into yeah
four or their recent year. But what do we think?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I still don't. I mean, it's got to still be rotten.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
I have.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
Three, say, like.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Fifty two, forty three and fifty two. You guys are
both pretty close fifty.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Oh right down in the middle cowards.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, they couldn't go one way or another.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
No, exactly, and that's.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Why this government's in a lockdown right now.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Shut down?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, same thing, Uh popcorn meter us average jos, did
we like it more or less than the critics?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, we always know that average joes are dumber.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, but we're more inclined to be entertained, not have trust.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
It has to, but it has to be more than fifty.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
I'm gonna say, must say seventy two.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Hold your horses, eighty four percent? Of course it is okay,
sure most of those are better from like you were, Jess. Yeah,
we're just pumping those numbers up.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm creating fake accounts to go in.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I had never seen such.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
We have a question that I don't think it's been
answered because I driving up from Memphis, I listened to
this week's uh Drinking with episode that we did on
Shawna the Dead, and Stoney informed us that somebody here
hates that movie, but he couldn't remember.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Who said they hated.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's Jesse.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
He's not here to defend it, cowide.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
He vilely hates that move, Like, do you know why?
He just doesn't think?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's his long standing partner from thirty four years years?
Do you know why he doesn't like it? Oh my god,
refusing money? Why does he hate it so much?

Speaker 4 (21:35):
He doesn't think it's good or funny?

Speaker 5 (21:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I don't any horror comedy entertaining.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Has been a.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Big horror comedy person. Okay, so, but that's the like,
don't bring that. Shut up?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Okay, Jesse. If you're listening as far.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I'm gonna have to go back on his letter box.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
You can pick apart some I want to have an
employee meeting.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, you're right, well listen. I don't want to go
off on a tangent. But the fact that he doesn't
like Seana the Dead I found out Brittany hated friendship
I'm pretty pissed.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I hated Friendship too. I'm right there with I'm.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Pretty pissed over here.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
That movie made me violently angry.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah, I understand the humor. I just don't think it's
for me, but I get it. I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
How did y'all feel about Passion of the Christ?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
You have to go on my letter box. Great have
to research, and I did some research on letterbox Foresaw
in fact, and I've got a couple of letterbox reviews
here for you. We can go over Colin Stroop four stars. Oh,
this movie is a great example of my theory that
a good story outshines bad acting.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
And there's a bad acting in this movie. Really you have.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You have a classically trained English actor and Carrie Els,
and then you also have the writer playing Adam who's Australia,
who's Australia, and Carrie l Wes's British accent comes in
and out through and he's wooden the whole time. And

(23:14):
his portrayal of the doctor, I thought he.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Was perfectly on point of what his character was.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I don't Yeah, I don't see It's not great, but
I don't think it's all awful acting.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I thought he's so over the top.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
I mean he is over I mean yeah, yeah, I'll
be honest. I wasn't too distracted by by him, only
because I forgot he was in it, so I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
I'd like the acting. I thought it was totally fine.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Me and Colin on the island alone.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Yeah, my letter box review.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I looked for years and I missed it.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Well I did it today because I watched this. It'
said Adam is so cunty. I love him so Adam,
So what county can I say that on this?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I don't think you can.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Okay, we're good up, Uh you can.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
The next one is Justine. Three stars from Justine, and
she says, I love that he built little dioramas of
the traps. Everybody needs hobbies.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, he did keep himself busy.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I mean when you're fighting stage four cancer, I mean,
what else is that?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
When he's on that ground for that long, I mean
that's some real.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well everybody misses that point, like.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah he did, because when he wakes up, it's like
he was born again and then rips off his makeup, right,
he rips.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Off his makeup.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Christ over, I thought it was, and he shuts that
garage door with real fucking fury.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I'm so mad. I was so mad they left Adam
and there. You didn't do anything. You didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Did he ever show back up or we assume he died?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I don't recall Carrie shows back up in like three or.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Five wondering because he leaves, and then I assume in
my head, I'm like, oh, he's dying, like in the hallway,
you know, like he's literally like his makeup when he's leaving.
He's like why doesn't like it's kind of funny, but.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
That's where that good acting comes in. He basically looks
like what from Undertaker from the Night Where did I
just go?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
That's like Halloween Maker?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
So did they ever explain where his like wife and
daughter when like, I know the guy that was trying
to kill them.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
To not but so like the cops came because she
like overpowered Zepp and then so she was able to
call the cops and I think the cops were there.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
And he was a whimp.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Well yeah, yeah I did, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
It was a bug, eye said.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Kt on letterbox gives four stars. I'm moving this train along. Ye,
She says John Kramer, is such a drama queen girls
stand up, you're being weird. Hell yeah, hell yeah, she's
not wrong.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
No she's not.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
It's just a theater his like Ultimate Fantasy. It's like,
this is the best part I've ever played.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
And then lastly, I have Alice Vil only a half
star for some damn this film would be great. The
ending's so good though, if it wasn't so unnecessarily horrendously
violent and gross, I.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Can't It's not even any of that though.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
It's really not gross. I mean it's not.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I don't think this first one is.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Like, didn't supposedly start the torture porn genre.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Hostile came out afterwards and stuff like two later, I
think it's I think it was the very next year,
and then saw then I mean maybe, but we saw
Terrifier three in theaters and together, Yeah, I threw up
my pinto beans.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I just went through the uh Terrifier hunted house at
Hollywood Hard Hard Knights in LA and.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Hollywood Hard Knights was said about.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
What do y'all do there?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I'll show you.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I'll show you after after the show, but no, it
smelled they have The bathroom scene is recreated, and you
walk through a door that's just hanging dirty underwear, tidy
whities that are like poop smears ew.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
And then there's a room where you go in where
it smells like bleach because Arts is throwing bleach everywhere.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Wow, that's incredible.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Actually, I will say, and I feel like we probably
have just been so saturated, But I do think there
are parts of Saul that we're disgusting at the time.
At first, at the time, yeah, I really do. I
mean I think it sounds crazy these days, but it
did start this whole thing of like, oh like torture porn.

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I mean, it's kind of a rusty saw. But on
top of like that, the killings that were happening and showing,
like the brains and the scalp and the cutting and the.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Uh cross through the razor.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, yeah, the first one. Yeah, didn't you just watch
this today? Oh my god? Are you? But the thing is,
since then, you've had soul movies, you have hostile movies,
you've had other movies, you've had terrifying movies. So watching
it like now.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
No, yeah, that's the problem, righty, right.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
TBS like at ten am, so my son can see.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It bang theory.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, yeah, Becker wasn't one of those women in Becker. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (29:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Some fun facts about Saw as we move on, This
film was shot entirely in eighteen days.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
What, I don't believe it one point? Then why did
it cost one? How long did you take? Danny goover
to get your.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Shut Well shot his scenes in two days, of course.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
He's a pro.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Monica Potter shot her scenes in three days, damn. And
Shawnie Smith shot her scenes in one day.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Yeah that's the okay, got it?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And actually Shawnee shot her scenes while battling the flu
in one hundred and four degree temperature fever.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well, that sounds like something you shouldn't have been doing.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, and I did that working at Nashville shoores.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
No big deal.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
And if you didn't know, there's actually a Saw short
film that came out before the movie, and Shawnee actually
refused to do the film, but then upon seeing the
short film, so it's like, okay, I'm.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Game, Okay, interesting?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
What what was it about the short film that changed
her mind? I wonder they could where they could put
her in a bear trap around her head and she'd say, I.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Can see this starting as a short film though, especially
like with the one location and the two guys and
you don't know what's happening. I feel like that to
me is like the core of this first movie. That's like,
that's the interesting part of it.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Plus you had no money, so you had to limit.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, you're in a bathroom two guys, like two
guys in a bathroom in a cute watched.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, were reversed, but yeah, and a half a million bucks.
That looks pretty cheap if you think about it.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Speaking of two guys, James Wand and Lee Wonnell met
in high school in Australia and then later attended the
same college, so they've been like longtime friends each other.
They decided they wanted to make a film together for
and instead of coming up with a concept first, they decided,
let's come up with the dollar amount that we can

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make a film for and then create the film after that,
which is what they did and that's how sal came about.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
So they got the money first, and then what can
we do?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Well, no, they didn't have the money first because they
had to go shop a script around, but they figured like, hey,
I think we can do this, this and this for
a million dollars?

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Uh, can we get four boxes of cheese?

Speaker 4 (31:24):
It?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah? I think Mel Gibson is going to take a
little more, but Danny Glover.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
So the two of them tried to sell their script
to studios in Australia. Did I get you?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
You know there's some in my mouth?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
You want another drink?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah? I guess.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
So the two tried to sell their script to studios
in Australia before a Hollywood studio bought and produced the film,
and the two also wrote the script and submitted it
to their manager. The manager then sent it off to
places uh in l a uh an agent there summoned
the two with them for a meeting. They were encouraged
to shoot a scene from the script as a short film,

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which is how you get the short film, uh saw?
And so what they did they Uh they shot the
reverse bear trap scene that you see Seann uh with
but Lee is in is the character playing Adam, So
Adam in the short film in the original script is
actually in the bear trap yet so after shooting the scene,

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they submitted scenes the numerous studios that's been resulting and
being hired by Lion Skates Film.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Oh look at that we have an artist member yawning.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Nice people.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
People were hanging off the rappers to get in this.
Sorry we're not.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
Over.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
This was the closing film for the Toronto Film Festival.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
What ye oh my god.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
The time being of this movie coming out is like
a the reason why is why it was so successful? Jesus,
I can't oh for speak well, no, like two thousand
and five or four. Uh, Like if this movie came

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out to like now, it would be like this is
nothing to me.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
That's what I mean. This came at a time where
people were not exposed to such I feel like gruesome
stuff where it's like, oh wait with these traps, and
like people kept going to see them because they wanted to. Yeah,
did anyone really give a shit about the stories? Or
was it more about these these trapments the story?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think the first one is the story, Like is
the twist and is you know everything? Do you think
it's like lightning in a bottle type situation with this? Well?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I know because if you fast forward to or rewind
to two years ago in twenty twenty three, when Saw
ten came out, it did almost one hundred and thirteen
million dollars at the box office.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
But how long did it? Wasn't it a there's a
pretty big gap between.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
It in the previous one two years so spiral. But
Spiral only did forty million at the box office because
nobody really wants to see Chris Rock in a horror film.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Right right.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I didn't see that one.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Oh there you.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Go Spiral and saw six or the only two in
the whole franchise that didn't make over one hundred million dollars. Okay,
so people still.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Want they still want it.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
I mean, I suld that they want that kind of
shock and value, and I feel like I'm one of them. Why,
I mean, terrifier keeps making. I mean, there's just things
that feed that that that I feel like people enjoy.
I think it's people. I don't want this to be controversial,
but I think it's people who go to help. But
I think people enjoy those things and and you kind

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of want to see how like, how like how much
are they going to push that boundary of how can
they keep kind of topping themselves? And I think that's
why a lot of people went to see all these
soul movies, and eventually they're going to disappoint because it
is the same old ship.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Sure, so you get people a.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Break, right, and you get people a break, But then
I feel like terrifier because of Arthur Clown. There's also
that you can kind of latch onto where you like
the character like, and I feel like that's kind of
the case with Freddy Krueger. He made a ton of.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Movie have longevity.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, Freddy krue is a real person and as he
made as he made his movies, you kind of latched
on because you like Tim and I feel like Arthur
Clown is the same way. But Saul did start to
say here's the thing, this is, this is this is
what I think and if you guys want to take
a bathroom break, you can. This is what two things happen.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
You need to hear what the critics says, ten things.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Two things happen. No, not ten things. No, let me
check me once. See I Saul started the thing that
kind of exposed where like, look what you can do
and get away with and it's kind of shocking horror
and look what it can produce. I feel like Saul
did that, and then I feel like there was this Pg.

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Thirteen horror craze that the Rings started. Those two I
felt like go hand in hand where they kind of
introduced a new thing of horror that we did for
probably five ten years, I would say, And there were
sequels upon that. The Grudge is one of them, but uninvited,
Like there's other ones that.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Played to that kind of toe that line, but don't
cross that.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Right, And obviously quality means a lot, But then I mean,
I don't think you have terrifyer and stuff if you
have salt. I don't think hostile gets made without the
success of salt. So I think there's things like that
that end up being besides the eyep stuf, where like
people are going to try and do Freddy and Jason
and and other face and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
It's definitely I mean an iconic ground baking, groundbreaking, trailblazing type.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, and especially and we've done we've done drinking with before.
But like it's always that kind of horror that breaks through.
And I feel like the top of my mind Blair
Witch project where it right, which leads to exactly you
made it for such a small amount, made a ton
of money and now look where look where it's at.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
Don't have a host which I love and without right
and He's right, Like Paraactivity had four or five movie
Blair Witch tried to redo him and they never captured
but but that, but it seems.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Like there's always those ones, and Saul is just one
of those. It's like, Oh, people actually like came to
see it and they want to be grossed out and
they want to see what this next trap is And
I think the twist is always a part of it.
Who's in? What? What does it? You know?

Speaker 4 (37:48):
And they're like, how uncomfortable am I going to be?
Like are they gonna are they gonna get me this time?
Or am I going to be grossed out? Am I
going to be scared?

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (37:57):
That's fair. But ten movies is too much.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I'm I mean it is, it is. It is too many.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
You get me ten more, thirteen movies and it still
won't be enough. But we talked about it being the
closing film at Toronto Film Festival. It also played at Sundance.
But the NC seventeen version of the film is what
was showed.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Oh what in the world yep.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And so in order to get that R rated version
that we eventually got, obviously James One had to cut
some stuff, including one of Amanda sifting through the intestines
to find the key to unlock her.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And then also the character Paul who is the one
going through the razor wire, that shows him really struggling
through that razor wire in detail. And then there were
some forensics scenes pictures and such. So yeah, they had
I do that and change some of the color balance
to get the R rating from the NPAA.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I don't think anybody in this day and age would
watch Saul and think that it was a Sundance intif selection.
It just shows you, just shows you where they were
then and they're in their taste now for sure.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
And principal principal photography took place in a warehouse. All
done in a converted warehouse, so the bathroom set was
actually built. They weren't into like a anything like that,
and while the other locations were existing rooms that were
just redressed to fit. You know, you had the tell
the police station you had the apartment, the hospital, the hospital.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
The the hospital his office and they go talk to him.
I'm like, oh, that's a that is a plain old
warehouse thing.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Attention. If you're just like, this is the movie, even.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
If they're cutting corners, you don't really notice it, and
I think it kind of speaks to their kind of
smarts about budget and making things work enough, but also
kind of what what are you there for?

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:57):
What are you wanting? And I don't think anybody cares
if his office looks like shit or not, and he
could tell that it's not.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I agree. And then the bathroom scenes, which I just
realized this and doing research. The bathroom scenes were all
shot in chronological order. Oh nice, because James Wand wanted
the characters to emotionally go through I mean the actors
to go emostly go through what the actors are going through.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Now I know why Carrie looked like the Undertaker from
the nineties.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
No wonder that sense, that makes sense. But also those
are my favorite scenes during the movie. I was just like,
can we just get back to the bathroom? I was.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Then they're like, hey, what he's saying? He's lying and
he's like, oh, he's a paparazzi and shit like that.
Like I agree, I kind of.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Every time they cut to some fucking other scene, I'm like, no,
let's go back to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
It is true, you kind of I do kind of
like what they like. And then they would kind of
go back and tell you the story, which ended up
becoming like a soul thing. Yeah, but they love.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
A flashback.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
Sometimes I can't keep up.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
I'm just like, what where are we? Are we doing?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
What are we doing? So we don't know where the
film takes place because it's never acknowledged. You know what city.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
It's taking place in Detroit. But however, I think it
was exactly, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
The maps that are used by the two detectives Tap
and Seeing when reviewing the location of the fire alarm reports,
is actually a map of Washington, DC. So tonically there's
a universe where Saul takes place in the nation's capital, which, ironically,
if you don't know this or not, there's a little
easter egg. It was unintentional, I believe. But the cell

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phone that carry Ols character has in the box, when
it opens up, it shows the date and time and
the date it's September tenth, two thousand and one.

Speaker 8 (41:53):
Oh, so it didn't matter anyway.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Oh they're in DC near the of Gone.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
It didn't God never forget.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah. You see carry Els getting getting getting away. He
meets up with his wife. He's like, you're not gonna
believe the day.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I have just wait a day and then they have
to Yeah, he has to wake up the next day.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah. Man, So the detectives tracked down a fire alarm
to a warehouse on Stygian Street and Stigion is the
name of James Wand's first film. I'm assuming it's a
super independent film, but the film contains many references to

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the great Italian horror director Dario Argento. The creepy painted
puppet is a reference to his Deep Red film from
nineteen seventy five, while The Unseen Killers Black Gloves are
one of Urgent Argento's trademarks and can be seen in
most all.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
Of his films, everything of them.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Lee Wonnell came up with the idea of giving John
Kramer a brain tumor while spending time in a neurology
award for anxiety and headaches. He said that undergoing numerous
tests and expecting bad news made him reflect on his
own mortality.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
He used this experience in creating a character who only
had a few years left to live.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, but that guy didn't. He live for years and
years and years.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I mean twenty twenty three is when The Last Saw
came out. He was still live and kicking.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah, so I guess he. I guess he beat.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
It several times.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah for him.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
One of the sequels, he's flat out fucking killed. And
then a lot of me happens in the beginning of
the next film.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Man, doesn't the bottomy sound nice?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I'm starting today's world, yes, but in today's economy, I
can't afford it.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I'm starting to think these things are fake?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
What things are fake?

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Movies fake?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
You don't you really think Saws a documentary?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Was it not?

Speaker 5 (43:53):
It's found film found footage?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yet why Blair Witch? Until they showed up at the VMAs.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Like the Avengers Avengers Civil War.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Get me started.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Carrie Els actually filed a lawsuit against the producers in
the production company of Saw No because he only received
a nominal salary he was supposed to get back in
He claimed to have been promised a one percent of
the profit, which would be considerable since the film earned
over one hundred million, not counting you know, VHS and

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DVD sales.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Were exactly the case was.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Let me tell you the Saw vhs it's worth a
lot of money.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yes, okay, you got one.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
The cabbage when it comes in here.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
The case was finally settled out of court. Due to
the disagreements, LS chose not to be involved with any
of the sequels until Saw three D in twenty ten.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Okay, I was wondering if he came back. We talked
about what.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
You say, five or something like that, because I started
a rewatch of all the films, and after four I
just said, I can't.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
I don't care anymore, like after three, Like in the
middle of three, I'm just like, I don't give a
shit about this.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
I really don't remember much about any of them, but
I do remember a lot from this.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Second one.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
It's like it's kind of like a haunted house, sort
of lace.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
A bunch of big, big pile of needles. I noticed
you're not drinking your drink that you made.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I'm watching my A one count Well, I mean, if.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
You're not going to drink it, right, Yeah, here you go.
It's not I thought it would be worse. I mean,
it's mainly better than last year's.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Maybe the Ring one was one of the.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Ring one was bad, and you drink that too.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
I drank them all.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Yeah, good for you.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I should do this twelve times a year.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
Like we do.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
I think my liver would hate me.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
The ending, I mean the scene where Adam you talked
about there's not a lot of gore or anything. There's
a lot of gross in this fucking film. And the
scene where Adam plunges his hand down a dirty, filthy toilet. Yeah,
that was an homage to Train Spotting, one of his
favorite films, and the scene and Train Spotting is much
worse than the scene and.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
So on it is. Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
But the ending, from where Adam is going through zepps
pockets looking for a way out or whatever. Yeah, yeah, uh,
from that part to Jigsaw rising from the floor and
slamming the door. That was all done in one shot.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Oh now, let you say that. Yes, Oh my gosh,
I never noticed before.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yep, it was all done in one shot.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
I love when that music hits and he's just on
your I was like, you, bitch, it's like, oh, Grandad, granddad,
granddad actually has been sleeping this whole time.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I still remember to this day seeing that movie in
theaters when it came out, and the whole fucking crowded
gas when you see his head rise, yep, because you.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Kind of forget about him being.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
In you do, and you don't know you're the whole
time you think zep is Yeah, Jake Saw.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I remember I saw a Hollywood twenty seven and people
started chanting r v D. It was weird, but people
were excited, yeah v And I thought what anyway, it
was confusing, but people were excited.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Like most most Hollywood films get like test screenings and such. Yeah,
audiences giving their feedback and such, and then you know,
filmmakers can go back and edit something, make some new scenes.
Well it got uh, it had test screenings and whatnot
because this film was designed to go straight to video. Okay,
that's what it was made for. But after positive screenings,

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it was given the nod to become a feature film.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
It's just crazy. And what it and what it was
able to spun is the money money on the table.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Yeah, kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I just think about the way you would have to
find that film in two thousand and four if it
went straight to video, right, yeah, that blockbuster Hollywood video
and no such are.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Slowly dying all yeah, yeah, just so it's the beginning.
It could be a red box though.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
My favorite thing about the Saw DVDs is that they're
like all like they're all weirdly designed where they're like clear,
but then there's like these hands that are like, yeah,
they're all very creepy looking.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah. Well, and saw one and I don't know if
it's in your notes, but Carrie Uless dick, isn't it?
Can you believe one? That's what I'm saying. This isn't
eight years later this sol one. You're like, oh my god,
that's Carrie Ulyss's dick. Oh yeah, it's very British, very

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British covered in tea. Okay, we'll see if people can
get it on Amazon, coming Dangerous on haven't coming soon
to Dangers?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Yeah, only I looked for what we had for Saul.
The only thing we had right right now is Saul
two on DVD.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
There is a severed hand over there on counter. We
don't have any that's been a great center piece.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Oh damn, we should have, don't. We usually have the
movie here or something.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
We have the.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Piece of something, a piece of something, body part.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
The screenplay for Salt Get Us Back on Track was
written in two thousand and one as a calling card
for director James Wand and Lee Wan trying to break
into Hollywood. As we talked about, they shot a low
budget short based on the scene in the film which
we talked about, and this proved successful enough to attract
the attention of Evolution Entertainment, who then immediately formed a

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horror genre called twisted pictures.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
I think of them every single time I see a
Saul movie.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Weather it shows up.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, it's a fun it is it is, And for years,
every year you were used to seeing it. I don't
know if they did anything else, but I swear to
God every time it come up, and they.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Like nine More Saws and like some other films that
I had never heard of.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
I was gonna say, I don't know if I've ever
seen any besides that were related to Saul, but.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I that Twister introduction and then Blumbhouse's intro.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Yeah, or two favorites, Yeah yeah, ye.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
So according to a twenty twenty Variety article, Saw is
the fifth most profitable horror film of all time.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
But I could see that you want to, Oh, I'm sorry,
but you think I'm cheating from your test.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Well, this wasn't gonna be a test, and I was like, well,
make it a test. What do we think the top
five are?

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Not? You have to give me anyone. Wait a minute,
hold on let's let's think about this. First of all,
she's drunk, she has no idea what's happening. So at
her glass and someone hander that one. This is going
to be someone hander that one.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
This will be box office charge. It just film, just
one film.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Okay, that's that was my question.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
So based off of one film budget to box office,
Saul was number five five.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
What do you think the rest of the top five are?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I mean, Halloween's got to be in there, right or
is it two? Because we're talking the seventies.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Well, I'm I'm wondering, like, does the Halloween Urgence count.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Like the news?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I don't know?

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Or what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
One film like the nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight Halloween
would be one film. Rob Zombies would be another film.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
So far Halloween, but Halloween forty years later is one
of the best, high highly successful radar movies.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
I think that's fair to put it up there.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
And I think so too. I think it's at y'all
talking about Jamie Lee Curtis is Halloween forty years later
that started Halloween, Halloween Kills, and Halloween ns. You're saying
that's the first of the three. I think recently. Yes,
you're not talking about the original? No, no, no, okay, no,
it's not in the shit. Is the original there? Yes?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
All right?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Oh, the original is based off budget and when it's
made office and think about interesting because it was made
for hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I'll tell you at some point.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Oh, okay, are you the host? All right?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
So Halloween, I don't know what number of Halloween.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
So you're like, is it leather playing this? And if so,
I hope it's only the original because others are ship.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
We did text Chasaw Masker last year with Jessica Bill,
and that is a phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Movie, sir.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
It's the best one.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
It's the best one of all them compared to the original. Absolutely,
I love the original. No, no, I like those. I'm
not against it. I'm not against it at all. That's
kind of tough because I don't know. If I don't,
i'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Texas is not one of them, because we talked about
last year that they can't come up with the definitive
figure that that movie has made over the years because
box office wasn't the conjuring that have fairly higher budgets.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Which is one of them, thank you, Because that was
a paranormal activity.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Paranormal activity. So we have four the five.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
So we have saw paranormiactivity.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
Blair witchlair Witch in Halloween, Halloween.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Okay, so there's one more terrify.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
No, what's the question?

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Hey, can you give her that drinks?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Can we come back to the original question.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
It's based off it's based off one film's budget compared
to box profit horror. Oh okay, we're missing We're missing something.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Not that it made the most money, because it doesn't,
but it's just.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Based off budget. Like Okay, blair Witch was made for
and I'm sure we can fact check this thirty thousand
dollars and it made thirty million. Excuse you this, but
I'll give you smith.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
This has numerous sequels, Okay, probably too many for Brittany. Okay,
it has a very numerous video games, Okay, Resident Evil,
a tele in series at one point, Resen Evil, Silent Hill.
No video games.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
It was not originally a video game that okay, Okay,
it started OKAYRD No is it administer Jason? I did
not think it would be Jason.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
So uh saw number five, one hundred and three million
dollars on a one point two million dollar budget. Okay, Yeah,
Friday the thirteenth fifty nine point eight million on a
five hundred and fifty thousand dollars budget. Yeah, then you
have Halloween brought in forty seven million on a three
hundred and twenty.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Thousand dollars okay, blair.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Witch brought in two hundred and forty five million dollars
on the sixty thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Did you guys know that that they like that those
people were actors?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Okay, still missing to this day.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah, yeah, strapped on the VMA.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Paranormal Activity brought in one hundred and ninety three million
dollars on fifteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Not to get sidetrack, because that's not what the show
is about. But I remember blair Witch projects hype, and
I remember Paranormal Activity, and Paranal Activity would come out
in one hundred theaters, five hundred theaters and you were
waiting lower than that, I mean, and you were waiting

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it city, yeah, city, yeah, yeah. So when they played
it Gleyville Elementary.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
It's crazy when Paranormal Activity came out, I was living
in Hendersonville.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Oh okay, I was.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I was living in these brand new apartments called Aventura
across somewhere the outdoor little mall areas where the like
Indian Hills in the movie theaters right there. So I
walked across street, went to the movie with the paranorl activity,
like the ten o'clock showing or whatever. It was night
at night, and I was like, I was like, that
movie got me.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
That was good, Like ten.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Am, that's a perfect sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
So I come home, you know, it's midnight, past midnight
or whatever. I go to sleep my apartments on the
second or third floor of the building, and then I'm
not asleep forty five minutes and somebody or something hit
the fire alarms in the building, scaring the shit out
of me.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
I'm gonna tell you. I I watch it probably every
other year around this time, and it's still some of that.
As it escalates, it's still so good. Second kind of
like salt Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
That's true. That's true, and you kind of lose me.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, it gets yeah, everything wears out its welcome, gets
too ridiculous. But man, with that like grassroots, like just
simple indie filmmaking, and it's not much into it, and
your imagination kind of runs with it.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
That's what I'm at the host. I hope that they
never like that, would never make a sequel to that.
I hope it's supposed to standalone forever because I'm really
so yeah an.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Hour so good from video?

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Oh really?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
And then uh okay, so Saul two was greenlit opening
weekend of Saul one. So like right when, right when
the money started, here's yeah, what can you do?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Cut cut out some people, cut some titties off, let's
do this.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
And then really, my last note for Saw is that
James Wand built the Billy the Puppet, the little creepy triangle.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Oh yeah, that's his name, Billy the Billy Puppet. Why
do I think that was Jigsaw? He referred to Jigsaw.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
It gets a little confusing because the guy's Jigsaw.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
But the puppet.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
It gets a little.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Weird, Like I don't know where billing.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I remember Stony and I had a buddy and in
the Halloween he was I guess Billy the puppet writing
on the price.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
My best friend dress.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
It was legit.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Yeah it was legit.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
I don't want to great cost. It is a great
it's really easy to do. Yeah, like and it's creepy
as ship. Yeah, super creepy.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I would like to be a fat guy on a
tricycle as Billy the Puppet. Would be fun for Halloween.
Maybe not this year, but we're alive to do it.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
We got a tricycle.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
You're in danger zone. Probably any any fun little other
tidbits or maybe quotes or anything we have from Saul.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I just keep going back to the the scene where
Adam is faking his own death, and it's my I
just want to I rewatch it today.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
It plays like a joke waiting for.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
I love his character so much. He's like.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Sarcastic.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
He's such a sarcastic little bit.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
I love this of like, oh he's a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
There, he caught him. Remember that picture I took. My
wife said, you're a wire.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
They could do a reboot where Jigsaw is the creepy
guy from.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
T m Z.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yeah fired, yes, forget that guy's name.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Yeah, he's like, can I get this fucking cigarette already? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
No kidding, I'm chained.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
To a bathroom fucking pipe. Can I just smoke a cigner?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Looking at that picture of his wife and daughter kidnap?
I want to show you right now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Yeah, yeah, they did, My boy Adam wrong, we don't.
He's dead. He's starved to death in that bathroom. That
poor poor baby.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
There was a freshly cut off ankle for him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Yeah, a squirrel.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I do like uh Carrys's character at the beginnings, like
trying to learn about Adam, He's like, what's your name?
And Anne replies that my name is very fucking confused.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
What's your name?

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Every every line that comes from it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
I just love it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
I just love it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
When he's like, how did you turn the light? How
do you know how to do that? It's like they
just learned how to be human. They've woken up and
then how to be human. No wonder you died?

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
You know, it's funny because the whole premise of what
Jigsaw is doing is to make you appreciate the life
you had or have and whatnot. And he's giving you
these tests to pass in order to live or whatnot.
What was Adam's test?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
He did not deserve this.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
I don't think he did anything that unless his career
was what he was investigator catching them? But what were
just trying to make a living?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
And that's what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
He's like, I gotta eat. I gotta eat. Sorry that
you decided to in a asshole treating on your wat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
I just caught you. I just take the get Donald
Glover did it? Dating Glover whoever.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Didn't do anything wrong. So mad just dying in that bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Well, doctor Gordon asked, uh, ask adam gi, what do
you last remember? And he's like nothing, I went.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
To my ship, my shipthole apartment, and I wake up
in an actual ship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
And then he says something about his punk rock vegan
girlfriend at one.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Point, Oh yeah that was He was like, oh I
was dating a punk rock veg I was too angry.
It's like, Lee wan l are you projecting?

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Story.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
What I'm amazed is what James and Lee ended up
going to do by day up making some real money
and some of these things which I will say, but
let me tell you Lee wan Nell's kind of because
he also did Wolfman, and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
It's obvious that he wrote the film now that I
see that his character has the best lines in the film.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Like at one point he says, I'm having a blast.
This is the most fun I've had without lubrigant.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Yeah, but I'm curious of what decided, Like if it
was just because he he was in the short film, right, yes,
but I'm just curious if that's how it was always
going to be. And so they decided, Okay, you can
stay in the film and then we'll have Carlis do
this part. Like I am kind of curious as to

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why they stuck with him, which I mean, he doesn't
do a bad part. I just mean, I'm just wondering,
you know, I mean, why not Gary Oldman?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
You know if they took the two guys from Grumpy
Old Man.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Oh, Walter Mathew and Jack Lemon. Yeah, oh, and them
up and let them saw each other off. God that
is oh. And then the person that gets up in
the middle of it, it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
Oh, well, I was I forget who's of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
I was gonna say Nicholas Cage, but no, he rips
off his whole mask, and you thought, and you hold on,
hold on, and you thought it was like Dan Aykroyd.
But Nicholas Cage rips off the mask like they do
a mission impossible and it's him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Well, why don't we think It'sola? And then.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Well Water Mathow and Jack Lemon are left dead. Oh
my god, Matthew Lillard. Oh god, why are we in Hollywood?

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Damn damn.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Pay me and sour cream and Cheddar Pringles.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
But they have to be on the floor.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah, on the Yeah, on the floor, and also preferably
in a man's ass crack.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
I also love that thank you. The whole time, you're like,
are they going to turn against each other? Like the
dynamics of those two characters. But then at the end
of it, I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Promise at the end, I bet i bet Leo really
thought Rose was coming back in The Titanic too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
I thought it was awesome that they started when they
were scissoring. I thought that was fun. Their taints hitting.
Oh yeah, that's what it's sawing. But I did. I
I with you, Britney. I. I actually like their scenes
the most because I like that. I just felt like

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it was the most intriguing, It was most mysterious, and
you're kind of thinking, like, clearly they are the two
main people. Yeah and yeah, I get why you're throwing
these other people. You're also throwing you trying to throw
the audience off because.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
You kind of have to. But it's like, what do
they know about each other? What?

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
What are they each other?

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
And that's the thing. Throughout the whole entire.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
You kind of have together to like get out of
this place. And I feel like at the end that
they and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Like different, like different walks of life and your father
so I mean, and as we know, every Saw ended
up having somebody that knew somebody, and you know, that
was kind of their game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
But uh, I asked a mount rushmore question when we
were preparing for this, which your favorite Saw traps were?
But and then I came up with a better question,
so much better. But I'm gonna I'm gonna give you
my favorite Saw traps and if you have some, feel
free to chime in. The reverse bear trap from Saw one,
which is the one with Amanda.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Sure, so great, what's the one? I remember?

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
It's an iconic, it's a poster the image. Yeah, it's iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
And now that I know she had one hundred and
four degree fever while wearing that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Thing, who else did you get sick?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
And then the needle pit in part two again was rough.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
I mean, it's favorite, it's I mean, it's one of
the one of the worst ones for me, so it
was pretty up there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
And then the subway trap from spiral, which is where
the guy is standing like on the railroad tracks, but
he's got pretty much the bear trap on him, but
it's got his tongue.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
And so for him to survive because he's supposedly was
captured because of some lies he told that ruined some
people's lives. Maybe he was a Wall Street guy or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
I don't remember. Finance, maybe finance, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
That would be Wall Street guy, I don't regardless, So
in order for him to survive, he's got to basically
jump and saw his his tongue off.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
That was gross.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
And then and lastly, I have the knife chair from
Saw four where this is the first one I remember
where where John Kramer Jigsaw is with the person as
he's putting it on, and he's got a guy tied
to this chair and he puts this device around him.
This guy like these blades and when it closes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I think it was in four or five where like
I think he's like change, I say, chained up, but
I don't know if he has blades or something. But
he's sitting down and Cookie Monster eats his nuts. Do
you remember that one? Do you remember that one that
started and I looked over at him. I saw the

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wheels turning.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I was like, he doesn't have one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
He just ate him like that. It was gross, But
it's like confetti. Do y'all remember this?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Because Elmo was jicksaw.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
God, Oh my god, I love him. I love that guy.
All right, let's get to the real question.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Why did I believe you, Shoul?

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Because you've had that drink.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
So the real question we're doing for this episode is
your favorite horror movie twist.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yes, horror movie twist.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
It doesn't have to be necessarily the ending, because there's
been some great hard twists like in the beginning or
middle of films as well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
I I think of three, I have four.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Four, Well, well it's including Saul My four including its
Soul is a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
I've seen it sixth since sure, that's just one that
I kind of started a whole Oh, what's the twist
gonna be?

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
What's that twist?

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yeah, that m Night doesn't make really good films after
six sence stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
I don't know if it's a twist, but the fact
that they were right there is so crushing made my
stomach hurts. It's so well done, though it's the whole
movie also done yea, and the what other one?

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Was I thinking of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
John Cusack's identity No stop it the I kind of thought.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I don't really know. I don't think this is a
twist as much, but I remember it happening, and I
remember thinking, holy shit, this movie like we just changed it.
And it's one of mc cash's favorites, Hereditary when the
daughter goes in the middle of the movie on the

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phone line or the phone poll, you know what it
reminded me of. And I granted no one like it
wasn't some famous actress, but it felt like a psycho
moment where in the middle of it someone goes and
you're like, well wait, I thought that was the main character.
So that's what kind of stuck with me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Though that's an interesting choice. I appreciate it absolutely well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
When he said it doesn't necessarily have to be the ending,
I just when he first said it like that sent
it to us. I just thought that's one that kind
of changes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Yeah, because I would also I love that, and so
I would also include like Barbarian.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yes, that's what I was going to say too. Barbarian
is one too, because you think it's going one way,
and it does it and I really appreciate it just
long in this genre, in this in this specific genre,
the fact that you can kind of throw people off
and it doesn't have to be like the ending and
it's important. Yeah, And so those are the ones I

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kind of thought of where I was like, it either
changed the film as far as the way you were
sure perceiving it, or like with six cents and stuff,
where it is intentional and it is waiting for you
to be you know, to get to the end.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
So six I would say, sixth.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Sense Barbarian, Hereditary in the Mist or one stuff instantly
came to mind where I'm like, it just changed, it
changed the formats and the way you're watching it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Sure, Okay, so I have a few. So Psycho I
think is like iconic. We all it's the og twists.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Can never like, you know, kind of replica replicate that
I feel like. And then I have the visits, which
I feel like some people might have opinions all that,
but I feel like it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Great nice Here's my feeling is I remember Night saying, yeah,
it's a horror comedy, and I think he said that
about a month after it came out, when people were
laughing at it and he realized, Hey, I'm just going
to roll with it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
And you know, you know what's so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
When I saw you think it's a comedy that creepy people.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
The fuck out old people are creepy like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Wait a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
So I feel like the visit is a creepy ass and.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
That is like.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
It's too much for me. And then I put Sol
on the list. But now I'm like, Hereditary and Barbarian
are are really great.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Like, you know, Barbarian is one of the few times
where I really did not know what I was what
I was watching from and from part to part I
just thought, where where are we going?

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
And that's rare.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
When I would tell people I just went to see
it and they're like, oh, how was it. I was like,
I'm not telling you anything.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
And then I put Scream on the list because I
feel like we all know what Scream is and who
the killers are on Scream. But if you really let
yourself get immersed back into the story, the red herrings
and stuff are like they'll trip you up if you

(01:14:14):
like let yourself get back especially about it insane and.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Then they're like, oh wait he is. Well, but wait
a minute, and then they go into Sydney's mother and
that frame because I just yeah, it's fresh on my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
Oh god, yess yeah that too, yeah, Barrymore.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah. And a lot of people have compared that to Psycho,
where kind of the big star gets killed at the beginning,
and that that was rare.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Yeah, And I just feel like I've seen that movie
a million times and if I'm like really watching that movie,
I'm almost I'm never real like it can't be. Oh
is he he can't be. It's too obvious. Oh wait,
he is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
It is. But that's the thing is there's times where
it's like, how could you not know it was them?
But the way that the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Other characters are so good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
I always thinking about it today when they were watching
when I was actually just happened to be watching it,
I was naked eating Dorito's, and I said, and the
way that Matthew Lillard tells Rose McGowan, like, hey, can
you go get me a beer? And it's like he
sends her out there and knowing what you know. Yeah,
but it and one of the best stories I heard.

(01:15:30):
If I may, she was a jawbreaker. Even more reason
that you're right, You're right, I'm sorry, is that the
whole Towards the end, skeet Yorick is talking on the
phone like she's talking to stew Right and she's telling them, Hey,
you know you didn't call the cops, did you? And

(01:15:52):
she's like yeah, And then skeet Yorick's freaking out and
he picks up the phone. It's like I'm going to
kill you and stuff, and he throws the phone and
hits Matthew Lillard. That was not a part of it.
And when Matthew Lillard says, oh god, that like some
about like that herd or whatever, all that was improvised.
That was not supposed to happen. He was not supposed

(01:16:12):
to have a phone, and Wes Craven left it all
in there perfect. And every time I've seen that scene,
I think about that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
But that was a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Good one and it. Scream also was another one that
sort of started this like you saw like I know
what you did last summer for instance, of this kind
of like you know somebody and this group is doing it,
but who did it. Scream certainly started.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
That, and it's it's too obvious, but it is life.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
But the way that the what what Scream does so
well is they talk about all of these tropes of
horror movies. And one of the best things about it
is when they first called Sydney and she's like, oh,
you know, I have this bullshit where they instead of
going out the front door, they go up the ears.
And then that's what she does because the door is

(01:17:03):
locked and she runs upstairs and it's kind of like
Wes Craven. It was one of the first times where
people like it was an inside thing, like a week
to the audience. Yep, so that's why he died.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
But WHOA. But Screaming this is a great movie, better
than Howling probably probably.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Okay, did you name yours?

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Scream? Scream, the Visit Psycho and so okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
This has been drinking with a Scream. Everybody's enjoyed themselves
to love it. I would like to thank Kevin Williams
for for writing well, I mean, it's screaming Scream.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
I'm trying to get back on track, but damn.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I love Kevin Williamson's work, except especially on Dawson's Creek. Anyway, great, Anyway,
my my list, I had some le mention.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
I knew that last I was gonna be out there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Uh, Like we mentioned Psycho Barbara in sixth sense scream,
I like the twist and identity at the end, yeah
yeah uh. And then the twist on the boy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
If you've seen the boy, I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
The doll.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
I guess doll.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
The person who is the boy is actually living inside
the walls. And then lastly, Martyrs is my other honorable mention,
this French film where they basically kidnapped these young these
young women and then beat them, deprived them until they
get to a point of where they feel their seeing

(01:18:42):
the afterlife, so they basically die come back. And so
the woman who runs this organization or whatever, the main
the main girl who's who at the end, whispers into
the lady's ear what she saw, and then the woman's
off for pair to go run and tell the rest
of the organization what the afterlife is like, shoots herself

(01:19:07):
and kills herself before you even ever find out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
So it's never revealed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
It's never revealed.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
How good is that one? That's the early two thousand, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
And there's a there's an American remake that's horrible, so
ignore that that it exists. But my four are I
include Saul. I include Friday the Thirteenth because I didn't
think of it as a twist ending but until I
took my wife, uh six seven years ago, the Bellcourt
did a midnight showing of Friday the Thirteenth, and she

(01:19:39):
had never seen it before, and half the audience had
never seen it before. So when little Jason comes up
out of the water alone, my wife screams.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
So fucking loud. I didn't think about it as a twist,
but I like that one. Well, the mother is the killer, yeah,
and you don't really yeah, don't even think about Jason
being a character. But then sleep Away Camp is probably
the first twist I ever saw in horror because the

(01:20:10):
girl is a girl spoiler alert. And then lastly, my
favorite French mar film of all time, High Tension.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
I knew that was gonna be on there can I
just say?

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
And this I just saw too one and I actually
just recently watched this the others I was gonna say
that one was a nice was a nice twist. I
wouldn't put it in my top ones, but I saw one,
and I guess I don't really consider it horror, but
I guess it could be. But I love it, and

(01:20:43):
I think it's very underrated for a Scorsese movie. But
Shutter Island had a nice little twist at the end. Yeah, yeah,
the same year's inception, and I actually just overall enjoyed
Shutter one better. But yeah, that was a Scorsese movie.
But yeah, I like all of ours. I think a

(01:21:05):
lot of the you you don't really get that. So
when Barbarian came out, I feel like that was one
of the first times in a long time we're like, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Yeah, okay, yeahnau.

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Can we count seven?

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's that's a part of it. I
don't that's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Partly a horror film, but I think it falls into
that like a sub category the thriller.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
No, I think that's a very fair twist.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
The stuff I don't understand is like they have like
signs in it. I don't really think there's a twist
in there, like I see where the village is in there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
The village, you know, yeah, but definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
But but yeah, they had they have been in there
hide and Seek.

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
It's one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
The orphan orphan, the orphanage.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Knew what the orphan was we were going into it though, right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
You know what, I don't really I'm not very good
at it. But I actually did guess Hide and Seek,
that de Niro and Dakota Fanning movie, and honestly it
ruined it. Like I hated that movie because halfway through
I thought is it him? And then it was? But yeah,

(01:22:22):
I those are good ones. Can I just another shot Frailty? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
That was a nice little twist at the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
End with the father son one can I Can I
mention the Empire strikes back?

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
You sure can.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Oh my god, proceede.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Yeah, Oh my god, say anything bamby. Oh my god.
Yeah you didn't see the Mother Dying. I didn't see that,
and I'll tell you the movie there just a secret window.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
Have I said that yet?

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
The one that got me the most was don't tell
Mom the Babysitters Dead. I didn't see the Babysitter Dying
at all?

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Were so the last oh was Halloween? Not kills but
Halloween Tins.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
That could be a twist. This is like twist where
my someone in my family said that their parents went
to see a movie called Cocaine Bear and they were
shocked that it was about a bear on cocaine, and
I thought they truly deserve to pay for it and
to watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
I'm gonna be completely honest. I feel like I saw
that in theaters and I don't remember it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
I shame on you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Did I see that in theaters?

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Shame on you. I love it. I feel ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
I feel like we saw that in theaters. But I
also feel like that was a dream I had. Like
I remember the movie and I'm like, did that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
There wasn't a twist in this film. I just want
to acknowledge that veloc of Pastor Too is coming out soon,
and they just dropped their first trailer.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
I thought, first movie is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
What is Veloca Pastor?

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
A gem and one of my favorites. I agree, I'm
excited for the sequel.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Have you ever seen it or heard of it?

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
It's about a pastor. It turns into a fighting velo velociraptor.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
That that sounds like, y'all's kind of movie. Tell you
how good it is? You tell how good it is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
There is a scene where a car explodes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Okay, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
And all it says, you see the car on the street,
parked and then it says on the screen insert car
explosion here.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Whoa groundbreaking something?

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Damn love it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Yeah, speaking of ground break, I think we've contrack. We've
broken all the ground we can on saw unless we
have anything else to before we get out of here.
Thanks everybody back there there Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
I can't wait to talk about next year's movie.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Well, yes, cause we can go ahead, and Rea.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Go ahead and we follow your Yeah, are we gonna
do the same, Yeah, you changed your mind. Yeah, that's
not what we talked about mind, And then you said
you had just seen it and that's what brought it up.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
So it was gonna be double three jacks.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Yeah, but do a double feature next year.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
I feel like The.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Descent is a scarier movie.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
I will say The Descent is all female casts, wonderful fla.
It took me by surprise when I saw in theaters
that was one was like, holy ship, Like it's actually
scary and it's just like a creature feature.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
That was me watching at home. But I was saying,
I wish I had seen this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
In theaters because you saw it just what month or
two ago?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Months ago? This year. Yeah, it's not that I didn't
want to see. It's just one. I was like, I'll
get to it some point.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Yeah. I like that. You skipped that, but rushed to
see just too. I had to, just had to see it.
And those Disney ones that they do that for some reason.
You go see now Screamboater that was horrible, and bamb
Is Bambies Out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
I think Babi's Revenge. I did not see that one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Dark.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yeah, the Pinocchio Pinocchio one was really good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
What about Peter Pans Peter Pants?

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
Yeah, that one was the best of the class them classic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Have you seen any of those, any of the Pooh
verse films?

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
I just saw the first Pooh one and then I
was like, oh, this is not good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
So then I saw but you love the loss of Pastor.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Yes, it's original content. I don't care about you. I
don't care about people acquiring the rights to these other
characters and making them evil. I just want you original stories.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
There's a dark side to them out.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Uh, cheers to another episode of Drinking with where We've
drink or drink I drink half of it, where we
explored the films that have come of age just like
a fine wine as we raise a gloss to movies
turning twenty one. We've laughed, reminisced, and I may shed
a tear two after this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
He's got yeah yeah, So until next time, will be cold,
your conversations lively, in your movie nice, unforgettable, Drink responsibly,
Remember age is just a number.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
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us to discuss. Miss Brittany, tell everybody how they can find.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
You, Brittany but spooky on Instagram and letterbox and I
think that's about it for me. And dangerousone video one
roadbound Ulia to see. We have DVDs, we have Blu rays,
we have vhs, we have fourts, we have collectibles, we
have everything you need.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Oh I don't have a VHS at home, Brittany, What
can can you help me?

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
A vcry?

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Can you help me get one?

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
Sure? Sometimes there y'all need to get on the DVD train.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Sorry, yeah, got all the hell with these vhss.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Like you guys need to get back on DVD train.
They're fine, they're great, they're wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
They're lighter, they take up less room.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Yes, they are exactly they are.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Uh I think I'm still Sir Brandon the on Twitter
and Sir Brandon.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
You don't have an Instagram? Who the hell did I tag?

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Wait a minute, a minute, Instagram. I'm sorry I do,
I just haven't looked at it in yours. There notifications
get on there. My wife is on there and that's
the only thing that she does. And then I'm on,
I'm on other stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Cares about Twitter?

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
K Cupid, I'm on okay, Cuban, I shressed up there too,
Balls D the Z with the Z.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
So yeah, is that a Dragon ball Z connection site?

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
Oh I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
I don't mess around with nerds.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Okay, So, Tony, you want to tell folks how to
find you?

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Yeah, come here.

Speaker 7 (01:29:24):
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yeah on TikTok too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
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and that's.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Not She's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
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