Ep. 79: Drinking With... Million Dollar Baby

Pour up a Hit Pit and join McCash as he relives this Oscar-winning classic starring Hillary Swank and Clint Eastwood alongside Brandon and Stoney. Today, we're drinking with...Million Dollar Baby. 

To make the Hit Pit, you'll need:

• 2 oz Bourbon
• 1/2 oz of sweet vermouth
• 1/2 oz elderflower liqueur
• 1/4 oz fresh lemon juice
• Dash of bitters
• Garnish with a lemon twist and a cherry
• Add all ingredients into to shaker with ice.

Directions:

1. Shake well and strain into a martini glass
2. Garnish with twist and cherry
3. Enjoy this smooth but bold drink...perfect for toasting resilience, heart and a knockout performance.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
The Sobros Network presents the Movie podcast, breaking down films
and their impact on pop culture as they approach the
legal drinking age.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
This is Drinking With.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now here's your host, Steven m cash.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Welcome to Drinking With, the podcast where we raise a
glass to the movies that have reached the legal drinking age.
I'm your host, Steve mccash or the Sobros Network, and
join me as we embarked on a cinematic journey through
the classics of yesteryear, celebrating their twenty first birthdays in style.
From iconic blockbusters to hidden gems, each episode will toast
to a different film that has stood the test of
time and shaped our cultural landscape. So grab your favorite

(00:58):
beverage or the one we've curated for this episode, and
let's dive into the nostalgia as we explore movies that
are finally old enough to drink. To join us for
a drink at the bar. Now, joining me at the bar,
as always, are the two best people I can think
of to stumble out of a bar after a long
discussion of movies. First, the resident film critic of the
Sobros Network, mister Brandon Vick, who's also a member of

(01:19):
the Southeastern Film Critics Association, a board member of the
Music City Films Critics Association, and most importantly, the birthgiver
of the Vick Flicks and Cinema Chronicles podcast that you
can hear wherever you get your podcasts from. And joining
him is the man behind the Sobros Network, the EI
see the glue of the brand. A jennifishonado of somebody
who has proven to be an all around cat lover

(01:40):
and football wordsmith and also a budding sports talk radio star.
He is the man, the myth, the legend. Mister Stony Keeley.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you for the warm introductions, mcash. I feel like
I'm getting hyped up before a boxing match.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah. I was about to remind everybody how you get
Animal House one star but Scoob two and a half stars. Uh,
but dicided otherwise. But then I guess I just did it.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Still, Well, Scoob's a better movie than a House, So
there you have it.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Uh, you're trying to deliver a knockout before the fight
has even started, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, you're the one that brought up Animal House, and
now I'm mad about that movie.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
That's right about Glins fighters.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Back to your corners. Let's how are we doing this
fall U afternoon?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I'm I'm feeling great. This is the most wonderful
time of the year. So I'm I'm stoked.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Don't have to mow the art anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
That's right. And everything's dead and everything's.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Dead and cold. Yeah, I love it. I mean, it's
just the beginning of November. I don't think everything's dead.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Just oh, come over to my house, pal, everything's dead.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I think we're we're close to it's usually the first
or second week of November. That's peak leaf season. So yeah, there,
you're right, there's still like a couple more weeks of
life left.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
I think we're still I mean, we're probably in more
like I mean, you know, I'm just trying to imagine
life in November in Tennessee. Yeah, not that I'm living
it right now, but.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I mean I think we're outside.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I mean, I wore a jacket over here. Yeah, I
had a gun in it.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You left him, You left him too long to dangle
the cash. Give him, give him enough time. He's going
to come up with something, all right.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
But yes, I love the season. I love it. It's
it's the holiday, Christmases is before you know it, and
then you know that after New Year's it gets kind
of depressing. But that's okay.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
This is that time of year. It's early November where
you know, you start getting inklings of what's to come
in in movies as far as award season, as starting
to like, you know, get off the ground. No award
shows yet, but you know the films themselves are getting
ready to come out. And this is one of those
films we're going to talk about today, and we're talking

(04:01):
about Million Dollar Baby, a two thousand and four film
that it's I could you have to put a little
asterisk next to it because there's really only a two
thousand and four film by like twelve or thirteen days,
barely two weeks if that.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
But Million Dollar Baby is all about determined underdog Maggie
Fitzgerald and her dreams of becoming a professional boxer, as
she convinces the hard and distant trainer Frankie Dunn to
take her under his wing as their bond grows tied.
Of the film explores themes of sacrifice, perseverance, and love
and loss. I had never seen this film before.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I hadn't either this was the first time for me too.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
There's a film I always wanted to come around to,
but I'm glad I waited as long as I did
to see it, because I was a hot mess when
this movie was over.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Man. The last like, I mean, like, thirty minutes of
this film are just it is you kind of a
knockout punch. It's a knockout punch. Like I got in
in a motional state and stayed in an emotional state
for like thirty thirty minutes of the back half from
from the match till the end, and it is it's

(05:11):
it's it's rough.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah. The first hour and a half or so, I'm like,
all right, And I knew coming into the film, like
what happens to the character of Maggie in the end
of the film, But at the first hour and a half,
I'm like, I don't think we're anywhere near the dramatic
turn this film needs.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, and then bam, it just happens and it raises
really difficult questions you'd have, Like you put yourself in
this in the shoes of the characters Maggie and Frankie both,
and you think about how you would approach something like that.
In the moment, and it is. It's a very harrowing exercise.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
This is one of my favorite films of all time.
This this is probably my favorite Clinticewood movie period. Yeah, well, yeah,
in his younger days, not some of the stuff he's
made since Grand Tarino, but Grand to Reno's up there
and Mystic River's up there. I really enjoy those, which

(06:15):
obviously he directed them all, but he's only in two
of them. But yeah, I love Million Dollar Baby. I
loved it when I saw it. The fact that it
won some Oscars is no surprise, but I think it
still holds up. It's still beautifully done, directed, written, act
I mean everybody. I I not that I didn't appreciate

(06:37):
him then, but I was really kind of in tune
more of Morgan Freeman's character this time around, more than
just with Frankie Maggie, because he plays such a pivotal
part and you kind of understand why he's telling you
this story at the end, but also what he I think,

(06:58):
in story story wise, what he represents to both of
these characters for them to go on this journey together
to ultimately why the decision has to be made. And yeah,
I mean they're great, and I know we'll talk about
I'm sure on down, but you know, there's some familiar
faces in this not doing what they're mostly known for.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, definitely, we'll get to that when we talk about
the cast. But first of all, it was directed by,
like you said, by Clint Eastwood. It was written by
Paul Haggis, who also wrote Crash, which won a bunch
of Academy Awards. He's written a number of James James
Bond films, including Casino Royale, Quantum Solace, but he got
his start in TV, writing for shows like La Law,

(07:44):
thirty Something, Who's the Boss, as well as iconic cartoons
such as Richie Rich plastic Man in the Happy Days
cartoon Wow what a resume.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Well, he directed, he directed Crash too. He became an
oscar win.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yep, and you mentioned the cast. We'll get to that
real quick. Hillary Swank as Maggie. You have Clint Eastwood
doing double duty as director and as Frankie Dunn, and
then Morgan Freeman, who's your narrator throughout the film, but
he's also obviously on screen as Eddie Duprees. And then
there's an eclectic group of co stars people that I

(08:20):
did not expect to see in this film and did
not know they were in the film before watching it recently.
J Beerschill, I think that's how you say his name?
Who I know from almost famous, She's out of my league,
Tropic Thunder especially ye, this is the end?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, knocked up right? Yeah, and the voice of Hiccup.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
That's true and forget. Then you have Anthony Mackie, who
is known from hert locker The Notorious, The Notorious Pig film,
Captain America and variety of Avenger films. In the mcuh
these are two names I didn't think to.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
See, and I mean Margo Martin Deelle shows up. Michael
Pena is in this as well.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Oh yeah, forgot, he's Anthony Mackie's buddy.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I did not even realize Big Willie was Mike Colter.
I didn't really catch it. Luke Cage, Oh yeah I did.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah again, they're skinnier, yeah, not as muscular.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
With Margo Martindale. I'm actually in a film with her
that I do not remember her being in. She was
in the Firm.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Wow, oh wow.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
I feel like she's been in a ton like she's
just a familiar face. But she ended up finding some
I forgot what limited series or show it was in,
but she started like her name started to come up
a lot, and then I kind of still remember her
films now and let me tell you, she is a
hoot in Cocaine Bear.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yes, she's Cocaine Bear. She was in The Americans with
Kerrie Russell.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
That's it. That was the one, and walk.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Hard the Dewey Cox story as.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Well, shit acclaim everywhere.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
You mentioned Michael who mostly I loved him an end
of Watch, but he was also an American hustle Yeah,
chips and ant man.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
And then lastly, another comedic presence which I did not
see coming at all was Ricky Lindholm, who is one
half of the comedy duo Garfunkle and Oates, but is
also known from her appearances in The Knives Out film
and Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah. That was I like you was a little taken
aback by that some of the choices, like for this
to be such a dramatic, heartfelt film, and then you
see some of these actors pop up. It's kind of like,
what movie am I in?

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, but I'm ready to be the beginning for a
lot of room too. So I guess that's why none
of them are familiar two thousand and four or five.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
But that's what I was gonna say. In two thousand
and four, I would have not known who any anybody
was outside of Clean Easwood and Morgan Freeman.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
You didn't know Hillary Swank.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
I knew she existed. I don't remember what she was
in prior to this movie.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Well, I will tell you this, and it might be
in your notes. But she's already an Oscar winner by then.
Oh she Boys Don't Cry?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Oh yeah, I never saw that.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
She won Best Actress for Boys Don't Cry?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
What you do in these days?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
She was in some Alaska show, like a detective thing
Hillary Speak and Jody Foster. No, she was in some
kind of detective show.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh I forgot, How can I forget?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Ordinary Angels exactly exactly? Which was sort of like a
a blind side kind of role.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
It was weird Alaska Daily.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
That's it. Yeah, I knew it was Alaska.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Never heard of it.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
I haven't either, but I did know that. I think
it was on Hulu or something. But I did remember
seeing her, But I don't know. I mean, she's a
two time Oscar winner, but she's it's kind of you know,
she did the Core remember that classic sci.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Fi Supposedly she's in Yellow Jackets.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Man, like, oh boy. Her filmography the last yeah, I
don't don't.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
That's it's very John Cusack.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
The last decade or so.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, I remember PS I Love You.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
That's the last one I remember that. I'm looking at.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
But she But then I'm also wondering, like, was there
a phase where like she just didn't really take that
much because I read a thing here a few months
ago that, uh, they tried to get her to come
do some episodes for Cobra Kai, but according to them,
she said it just never really like made that much
sense for her to do it.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Okay, well, let's raise a raise a glass to Hillary
Swank and her biography. I have a drink for a
million dollar baby. I changed the name on it because
I couldn't pronounce the name. I was going to give
it the nick the name of the nickname that is
given to Maggie, but I'm not gonna butcher it, so
I just changed it to the hit Pit. And the
hit Pit is the name of the gem that's actually

(13:05):
in the film that is used. Okay, and the hit
Pit contains two ounces of bourbon, a half ounce of
sweet verm youth, a half ounce of elderflower liqueur, and
a quarter ounce of fresh lime juice with a dash
of bitters. What you're gonna do add all your ingredients
into a shaker with ice and shake well, and then
strain into a martini glass. Garnish with a lemon twist

(13:28):
and a cherry. It's a smooth but bowl drink, perfect
for toasting resilient heart and a knockout performance.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Hit you right in the chest, right in the chest.
Lemon and cherry is an underrated combo. By the way,
the lemon twist and the yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Those are my favorite starbursts. So I agree with you, sir.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I just pop a couple of those down in here too.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yep. Now, I did say this film is barely a
two thousand and four film, and we're gonna talk about
money real quick. In the year two thousand and four,
it made a whopping eight hundred and forty two two
and fifty three dollars. Hell, yeah, we'll get into the
box office. But what do we think the budget for

(14:11):
a million dollar baby was? Hold?

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Can I just say that for people that don't know.
This is what they would call an academy run, so
it qualifies for the Oscars. And if you do it
in New York and LA and at least do it.
I think back then it used to be a week
or two weeks. But a lot of films would do it.
American Sniper did it, one of Cleanestwood's movies at Bradley Cooper.
A lot of them would kind of do this little

(14:35):
academy run and then most of us would see it,
like in January.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, December fifth in New York City is what Wikipedia says,
and then December fifteenth in the LA United States.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
It was nine theaters rolled out on December fifteenth.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
So listen, almost a million dollars for let's just say,
what ten theaters? Maybe that's hey, come on, So anyway,
if we've just mentioned that, it's barely oh four. But
that's why we're doing it because it did technically have
its release, even though it didn't get its wide one
until January. But go ahead, sorry, So this is budget, right, budget?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
What do we think the budget for a million dollar baby?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
You got some famous people.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yes, I'm gonna say, oh man, but.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
I feel like Eastwood shoots cheap though.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, I feel like we've talked about that before.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, I'm gonna say twenty five.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
I was I was thinking maybe like forty three.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Twenty five and forty three. I actually, I actually, now
that you mentioned Mystic River, I want to see what
it's budget was, because I don't remember off the top
of my head, but I can pull it up real quick.
Do we want to guess Mystic Rivers budget again?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Wasn't that in the twenties?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Seventeen million?

Speaker 3 (15:55):
All right? Let me let me, let me get this again.
What did you guys say for a million dollar baby?
And I'll tell twenty five, forty three, twenty five and
forty three. All right, So the budget for Mystic River
was twenty five million.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well maybe that's why it's in my head.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, and you're not far off. The budget for a
million dollar baby thirty million dollars. And let's put in
that to some correlations. The budget for Friday Night Lights
that we just did two months ago was also thirty
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (16:23):
You got different resultsast, but that's not fair because the
cast is vastly different. So that's that's not fair.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
And also million Dollar Baby did not get a TV
spin off.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It did not.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
That's true. That's true. I wish it did.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Well.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
You could have because this was based off of a
book that was like a collection of stories like this.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
I would love to know if he bought that cafe
the diner? Yeah, or is it just a season of
him trying different pies?

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Yeah, and it becomes you could go a number of ways,
Well there was maybe maybe he becomes Andy Griffith and
waitress and you get million Dollar Waitress exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Oh my god, now we're cooking.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, you talk about it.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
There you go, Hollywood, Andy Griffin.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
That's a legendary piater and take that for legendary piaters.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Is that our favorite piles?

Speaker 6 (17:16):
And I bet stop it be's body, don't water out,
don't leave those two alone.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, there it is. There's a callback. We obviously realized
that Million Dollar Baby is episode three of the day.
For those keeping score at home, look, Million Dollar Baby,
like we said, open December fifteenth, two thousand and four,
and nine theaters. It rolled out to one hundred and
nine theaters on January seven, which it finally rolled out

(17:48):
to over two thousand screens the weekend of January twenty eighth,
and had compiled nine point four million dollars to that
point on one hundred and forty seven screens. There's the
reason why I'm saying this week one. Back in December,
it was the twenty fourth ranked film. Week two, it
dropped to twenty six. Week three, it dropped to twenty seventh.
When it moved to one hundred and nine screens, it

(18:09):
jumped up to fifteenth, Man fourteenth, and week five on
one hundred and twenty two screens. You're seeing a trajectory here.
Week six it moved up to twelfth on one hundred
and forty seven screens, and then week seven it finished
third on twenty and ten screens, behind the films Are
We There Yet? And Hide and Seek, of course. So

(18:30):
my question to you boys is what was the wide
release opening weekend box office the weekend of January twenty
eighth to thirty four million dollar? Baby US Canada?

Speaker 4 (18:43):
And Are We There Yet? Is number one?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
With ice Cube?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Oh boy, I'm going to say seventeen million.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I'm going to say eleven.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Seventeen and eleven. Brandon is the closest without going over
at twelve point two six five million dollars.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
There you have it.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
And I will say a lot of times, and I
mean anybody that kind of keeps up with like award season,
like you said, by the time October November is kind
of award season kickoff and everything. But back then the
Oscars came out, the Oscars were in February, yes, which
means that by the time Million Dollar Baby is opening

(19:24):
up in over one hundred screens of two thousand screens,
it's got those you know previews on TV that says
it's been nominated for eight Academy Awards and stuff like that,
so it's it's got some momentum behind it by then, Yeah,
it does, because now, like I don't even they're not
even announced till now into January, maybe February.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
I think it's February when their announce and then.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
March has been which I wish. I kind of wish
they would put it back in February. I agree, but
they did it because of COVID and never went back.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
So your US Canada total box office was one hundred
and a half million dollars, uh dang. And this is
because worldwide it brought in just under two hundred and
seventeen million dollars, which means the international audience has loved
this film now way more than American audiences.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Did you mean people love Clint Eastwood. Yeah, that's all
over the world.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's fascinating. What is it about this film that draws
such a global audience.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Well, boxing is an international sport, if they're.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Ever true true, and I think you've got I mean,
it's kind of like how they say, like Tom Cruise
is an international star. I think if you don't, I mean,
everybody knows Clint Eastwood. Even if you don't, you know,
I think fans of his just show up anyway. Yeah,
most of them are dead now.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
But or maybe it's because a lot of the world
is like Brandon and they love to see women die
on film.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Could be like wait a minute, Hillary Swing dies in this, Okay,
get you come on, kids, Come on, kids, everybody, come on,
let's go watch.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
So the French especially loved this film because they brought
twenty two point one million dollars. Our friends in Spain
sixteen million dollars, and we haven't visited them in a
while because they haven't been on the roster. But Bulgaria
impressive forty one thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Get it. Bulgaria, man, get it.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
There's little pocket of Clin east Wood fans oll but.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Not many in Lithuania as it only brought in thirty
five hundred dollars at the box of k What indeed.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
What theaters are showing these in Lithuania? Like? Do they
have a version of the Bill Court out there that's like, Oh,
there's this American filmmaker Clin Eastwood.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Have you heard of it?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:38):
I wonder if you think there's a chance that you
could become our fifty second state.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
They should just to teach them a lesson.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Have they named the fifty first and I missed it?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Yeah? Canada?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Oh, Canada. I didn't know if it was going to
be Greenland.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Or some executive order thing. I'm not sure. I just
know that now on the map they're known as the Canadia.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Saw Well, at the time that's taping, it could be
Iran for all we know.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's true.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
That's true. That's that's what's fun about America. Now. There's
so many options that's.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Wild to think about. As we're sitting here recording this,
By the time this is released, there may be.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
A full blown world war.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Going on, and we're here talking about Million Dollar Baby.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah. Business. The NFL season has been canceled, you know, yeah,
oh man, the draft has been reinstated. Yeah, those are
darker times. We're already talking about a dark movie to
begin with. Let's talk Let's talk about ratings and reviews

(22:37):
on Rotten Tomatoes, the Tomato meter. There's two hundred and
sixty eight reviews. What do we think the critics thought
of Million Dollar Baby?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
This has got to be one of those I'm gonna say,
I'm going to stay ninety six percent.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
I was gonna say ninety three.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
You both shot over a little bit. Ninety percent. That
surprises me to be honest, nine out of ten and
Dennis agree o, yeah yeah. And then the Popcorn Meter,
the you know, the Everyday Joe. Two hundred and fifty
thousand plus reviews on Rotten Tomatoes for a Million Dollar Baby.

(23:13):
What do we think this sits at?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
I mean, I don't think it starts with a nine.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I don't either, because I this probably feels.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Like I'm gonna say seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I was gonna say, I was gonna say eighty one.
I'm gonna say eighty two, eighty.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Two, seventy nine, and eighty two. Actually everybody is on
agreement that at ninety percent is the rating for both
Popcorn Meter and Tomato Meter.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
I'm surprised usually when someone like when critics really love it,
and again you're talking about an audience that may or
may not kind of appreciate Clint Eastwood. Yeah, what does that?
And it's not like Hillary swink is like the Sandra
Bullock or you know, I mean, that's just not who
she is, the top of actress she is.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I'm looking at it as kind of like the reputation
for the Oscars for a long time, like the awards
and stuff was like, oh, boring or sad movies, and
this kind of feels like it's it's long.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
They're like, how come Aragon was it nomination?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's very sad. I could see like general moviegoers being like, nah,
this ain't no trying to accomplish on a Friday night.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
They said, wait a minute, a woman dies in this.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
That's maybe that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
What sign me the fuck up? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
The people on Letterbox had some wanted to weigh in
with their thoughts as well, and Anto gave it four
and a half stars. And says Rocky is for boys,
million Dollar Baby is for men.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I'll drink to that.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yes. Yes. Matt the Snapper, Great Name four and a
half Stars says it's like Eastwood took the plot of
Rocky five and said, I can do it better, and
my god he did. Yeah, it does do one. It continues.
While I prefer Mystic River as an overall movie, the

(25:05):
last third of a Million Dollar Baby is just masterful.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It really is.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
That's what changes the film. Really, like up to that point,
the underdog story, the old I mean, it is sort
of like Rocky Mickey, like it is like, oh, she's
a girl. But then what you don't realize is what
this is actually building too, and it's not. It was
never about that championship fight anyway, And that's I think

(25:32):
that's why you have someone like Eastwood that is kind
of looking beyond just that. I mean, listen, there's a
lot of boxing tropes in this, but there's always something there,
and I think it I think it really kind of
does come from the writing and the performances of like,
it's not just boxing. And then it's very clear in

(25:54):
the last like you said, half hour or so that
this has, This is has is far beyond the sport.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Uh. One person who didn't make it to that final
quarter or final third, excuse me, is j mart On Letterbox,
who gave it two and a half stars and says
turned it off with thirty minutes left to watch Rocky. Sorry,
not sorry.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
That's what a stupid what a dumb ass?

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, you sit on a Coca cola bare ass a
coke zero, sir, I'm thinking. I'm thinking he needs a
two leader saying ship like that.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, I can't imagine. That's just some hater shit. I
can't imagine feeling like that.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah, that goes back to rockies for boys and millionaires.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Hey, there we go.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, I was gonna say, sit on a cana but
tane and light a match.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
There we go, do it?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Do it?

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Who is this again? I don't care. I don't care.
You should have done it. He shouldn't have done what
he did.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
He went too far.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
If you're gonna talk out of your ass, you need
to be lit by the.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Ass, right and he's explode to explode.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
We talked a lot about Award season. This film definitely
brought home a lot of gold Academy Awards is. Specifically,
he was nominated seven times, winning four for Best Film, Actress,
Supporting Actor, and Director, making Clint Eastwood at the time
the oldest person to win Best Director. I don't know
if he's been bested, since I didn't do that research,

(27:31):
but I know he's oldest dirt.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Now Martin Scorsese won for The Departed, so.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
He might do that. But I didn't know if he
was older or not at the time.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Well, you know what, he's not. Eastwood's like ninety something.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, is still the oldest director.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
But he's like Robert Redford never won an Oscar for acting.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, I could see why. No offense to Clint Eastwood, but.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
He was nominated for a million dollar baby actor and
I've badly a limited one.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Do you remember lost Jamie Fox for red So there
you go. Take that lost Jamie Fox. And then the
other two was that they lost was adapted screenplay which
went to Sideways and film editing, which went to aviator.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Sossure says he was involved in that one, wasn't he well?
And then, like I said, this made Swank a two
time Best Actress winner, and for anybody keeping score at
home that thinks, oh, hey, how Morgan Freeman won for
Best Supporting Actor? How many was that for him? That's
his only one?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
That's kind of wild to think too, but.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Hey, there he's got a good Uh. Tim Robbins won
for mister River those supporting characters in some Clint Easwood movies,
which that why didn't Dwight Yoakam win for Cri macho.
You know, I'll tell you why. It's an awful movie.
But but come on, but yeah, I think all those

(29:00):
are well deserved. Morgan Freeman, Hillary Swing. I think it
was kind of a surprise because it was a late
addition to the Oscar Race, but the fact that it
did pick up director and picture, which I mean, looking back,
I mean, I have no I got no qualms about it,
even though I think Sideway was nominated too, which I
really enjoyed a good film. But yeah, no, that's a

(29:23):
good that's a loaded that's a loaded oscars for a
lot of stuff. I think a lot of people would say, yeah,
those are those are some great films.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I agree. So, uh. Billion Dollar Baby was based off
a collection of short stories that was in a book
called rope Burn Stories from the Corner by Steve by
no by one man named FX Toole, who was actually
better known as a longtime fight manager and cutman Jerry Boyd.

(29:54):
The book was published in two thousand by HarperCollins, and
Toole was a seventy at the time and had been
writing and battling rejection letters for forty years before getting published. Finally,
and Roe Burns was his first published work, and soon
after its publication he was commissioned to write his first novel,
an epic story set on the Texas Mexico border, but

(30:15):
sadly died in two thousand and two just before the
novel was finished, and he dedicated it to his partner
and longtime friend Dub Huntley.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
He'll being they always see, that's what happens.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
He got a late start, but the films was based
off three particular short stories from that book called The
Monkey Look, Million Dollar Baby, and Frozen Water, with some
of the parts of the introduction used as well. And
then Hagis that we talked about would come on to
later write the screenplay, and Toole died sadly shortly after

(30:51):
learning Clint Eastwood had signed on to the films as
star and director.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Wait he was alive and filmed out.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Shortly died. After learning Clint the film.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
He was so happy it killed him. He thought, oh
my god, Clint Eastwood is going to direct and star
in this and a woman's going to die.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
I'm about to get paid. Take me now, Take me now,
Good Lord, I've seen it all and then.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
And the good Lord said, you got it, buddy, come.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
On up or down. We don't know where he went.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Well, I'm saying, well, right now, in my scenario, he's
talking to the Lord, so it has to be in
the clowns. Okay, that's my understanding of the Bible. You
go talk to the Lord and sit on a cloud.
I believe that is what I've read. Okay, yes, yes, well,
poor Well, at least he got to know that, you know,
his stuff was in good hands.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Peter Berg wasn't going to direct it. He got it.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I will I will say. You know, we talked about
earlier about the lie of this movie at the box office,
and it remained in the top five at the box
office from the time it was nominated for Oscars until
the actual ceremony, and it actually stayed in theaters for
six and a half months, which no film today could
even remotely get close to doing No.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
No, that's unheard. Yeah in this day and age.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, the prepping in the shooting of A Million Dollar
Baby was so quick that producer and director Clean Eastwood
basically kept the same crew as he used on Mystic
River because he pretty much directly went from one to
the other.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I was about to say, didn't we just talk about
mister River last year?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Last year we did?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, So that's uh.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
He was a run man.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
That's a that is a run.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yep, and uh. He this was not his first time
winning an Oscar for Best Director, as he did also
in nineteen for nineteen ninety three Is Unforgiven, which also
featured uh, Morgan Freeman.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
And one Gene Hackman Best Supporting Actor. Yeah, I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
And who else was in that? Richard h Dreyfus, No,
he's dead now. I can't think of his name.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
I just remember Gene Hackman, Morgan Freeman, and Clint for
the most part.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
That's gonna bother me because he was also in Patriots Day.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Beats me. I'm lost on this one.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Uh, Richard Harris, That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
I was gonna say, Yeah, I think His last film
was Gladiator, one of his I think we talked.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
We may have talked about that on like the second
episode ever of this podcast.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
We did, but I take that back because he was
the first Dumbledore and they had to recast because he
passed away after the first movie.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Richard Harris fan second.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Fan dressed up as him for Halloween when I was thirteen.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, here's a little fun, little triun knowledge of trivia.
Clint Eastwood, like I said, won Best Director in ninety
three front Forgiven, and he won Best Director in two
thousand and five for A Million Dollar Baby. He was
presented the award at the Oscars for both of those
awards by the same person. And it's the one and

(34:20):
only Barbara Streissan.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (34:26):
And this is one of two boxing films to ever
win Best Picture at the Academy Awards.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
The Best Picture the other one. Are we supposed to guess?
Or are you gonna tell us?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I thought I put this in my notes, but I
don't have it in my notes, but I think I
have one. I think it's one of two movies.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I think it was Rocky, wasn't it Rocky won Best Picture,
did it? I think?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So? Yeah, Well, now we're.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Gonna damn it. I can't believe. I don't have this.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Rocky won Best Picture Oscar at the forty ninth Academy
Awards in nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
That was not one of my two. I was thinking,
either the Champion or Raging Bull.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I went blank on fucking Rocky of all movies.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
And he is a stallone is an Oscar winner? I thought?
But it was, and I thought he had won Best
Actor but he hadn't. He was nominated for Best Actor
and for Best Original Screenplay because he wrote it. But
I don't think he's an I don't think he's an
actual winner.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well no, because that was why.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
The Best Supporting Actor for Creed.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah, Well but then I thought it was like the
acting thing, like yes, you know, like Ben Affleck, he's
won an Oscar for Argo because it won Best Picture
and one for writing. But but yeah, but no, Rocky one.
He did win Best Picture and it did win Best
Director as well.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Well. The Affleck also won for a good Will hunting,
didn't he because him and him and Matt Road he did.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, But I just mean Afflex never won for acting.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Gottcha, Yeah the fuck the guy from Gilie has never
won of Best Actors.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Come on, come on, he's a a great director. Yeah
he was, Uh he was nominated for oh for acting?

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Girl.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yeah, I don't know if he's been nominated for acting.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Actually yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Was he nominated for Argo?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
We may never We may never know.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
No, for actor. The big deal was he wasn't nominated
for Best Director. Yeah, but anyway, this drinking with episode
about Argo, I've.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Go ahead. I was gonna say. Clint Eastwood, though, was
nominated for Best Actor for A Million Dollar Baby, and he,
out of all the nominees, was the only one that
played a fictional character that year.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Oh well, that's true because there's a Ray Charles Charles
and there is a what's his name from the Aviator
not DiCaprio. So the guy plays who.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Was Yes, and then like to Hughes Hughes.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, Howard Hughes.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Hughes Is this when.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Johnny Depp was in Finding Neverland? I believe so my
own role here, I.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Think you are Thes and Hughes part YEA.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
To confirm Ben Affleck has never been nominated for an
Academy Awards.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
We could town, couldn't.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
We I love the town, but I talked about.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Eastwood getting his awards for Director from Barbara streisand UH producer.
Albert S. Ruddy won his second Best Picture award for
A Million Dollar Baby. His first award was for The Godfather,
which was presented to him by Clint Eastwood.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Oh my life. If you stay in this business long enough, Yeah, yeah,
my god, niece, what I think has outlived everyone, including
Barber Streis.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
In Yeah, well yes, but not uh November at the
time of this time of this taping. Yeah, I'm never mind.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
But let's just check back with us. Check back with
us in November. Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Unforgiven and Million Dollar Baby won Best Director and Best
Picture with Clint Eastwood as actor, producer and director and
co starring Morgan Freeman, Scott Talent.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
That Morgan Freeman, guy Petty Good he is God.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, they got something they have.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
I look forward to their next one together.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Look, if if you want some party tricks to throw out,
some little trivia to throw out your next party, just
just ask somebody who the first Best Picture winner was
to ever be released on h D DVD.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Would that be unforgiven?

Speaker 3 (39:01):
It would not, it would be Million Dollar Baby. It
was also the first Best Picture to ever be released
on Blu ray.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Oh and I just got that recently.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I would like to add that to my collection.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
That's a good one to have.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Uh. This is the film debut of Mike Coulter, who
is best known for his work on Luke Cage and
the Netflix show Evil Sevil.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I haven't but Evil has been a big I think
it was on CBS now. I think it's considered paramount
plus show. But that's a big It's got at least
a handful of seasons. But I've never watched it either. Yeah,
I've never watched it either.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I wish they'd bring him back to the Marvel stuff
as Luke Cage. That was one of the few marks.
I like that one quite a bit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Well, did you know that Clint Eastwood, with his win
for Best Director, became the twelfth person to win multiple
Best Picture Oscars for directing.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So just the twelfth per Lison to do it.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
And that's one multiple Best Picture Oscars.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
That kind of well, yeah, well I think the exhaust.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Well I was going to say yeah, but you got to.
I mean, Francis for Coppola would be up there. I
would imagine.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Spielberg He's one of them. Serg is not.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Spielberg's not. I thought he want a couple of saving
well the only one.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
And some of these I've never heard of. But Frank
Lloyd okay, Frank Capra.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Okay, yeah, all right, William Wyler yep, Billy what yep?

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Elia Kazan, It doesn't sound familiar. Vincent Manelli, who I'm
guessing is what's your name's dad? Lisa's Lisas. I could
be wrong, but I'm just shot in the dark.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
If if you have the same last name, you are related.
Everyone knows that. Billy Wilder, oh okay, Oh I've missed.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Okay, Billy, excuse me, David Lean, who I'm not familiar with,
Robert Wise, Fred Zinnemann, and then Francis Ford Coppola, and
lastly Milo's Foreman. Oh.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Milos yeah, because he was I mean Milos went from
what was it he did terms of I think he
did terms of and no, we didn't do terms of doing,
but he did like Amadeus. Yes, and he did like
Shock a lot. I know it didn't win Best Picture,
but he's had more than a few.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
And and this is not Hillary Swank's first sports related film,
and I think we've kind of hinted at it earlier,
as she starred in the Next Karate Kid. Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, good for her. Couldn't get her back for Cobra Kai, No.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
I don't. I don't think that third movie made sense,
and neither did her coming back and Cobra Kai makes sense. Yeah,
but she would have been the biggest person on that.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
That's true. I'll tell you that would have been a draw,
if you say so.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
If uh, what about Eastwood? Could they make can they
make room for him?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
He could be the new mister Miagi.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Yeah, his bones will break.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
He's just screened. Wax on, wax off, Get off my lawn.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
He'll be He'll be the new mister Glass.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
To tie this, yeah, somehow? Uh, well, you know, m
Night Shyamalan could have been a choice for director. We
don't know, but I do have some coulda would have
should us for a million dollar baby?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Oh okay, yeah, good, this is good.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
H Morgan Freeman was originally approached to play the role
of Frankie Dunn. I can see, yes, But even before
Clint Eastwood took on directing and starring roles, he decided
to take the part of Eddie's scrap Iron Dupriest.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I kind of feel like Clint Eastwood's like grumpiness lends
itself to the hard exterior that we did. We see
Frankie early.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
On, and Eastwood just, I mean he just it's on
his like, it's on his face, like you can't nobody
has that kind of look. So yeah, that kind of
felt like that that had to be. It had to
happen that way.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Angelica Houston originally bought the book rights to rope burn.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
I thought she was gonna be Hillary Spike's character.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
And yeah, I should I should have said bought he
She brought the book to producer Albert S. Ruddy brought
it to his attention, hoping that he would ask her
to direct the film because she guaranteed that he would
cry after reading the book or the story rather, and
he admits that he did. However, by the time Rudy
acquired the rights, Houston was busy on another project.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Damn it.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I'm not sure how that film would be.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yeah, and for those that don't know the legendary John
Houston that's his daughter, and Jack Houston, who's been in
a lot of movies, that's her brother. And yeah, it
wouldn't have been the same. It certainly wouldn't have that
type of I mean the way Clint Eastwood makes his films,
especially like as he's gotten older, he kind of did

(44:13):
take on where sort of mystic river on through, Like
even like Richard Jewel, he kind of makes them the
same way, like the feeling, the look, the tone of it. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't even and I don't even
know if I've seen a movie in Jallakie Houston's directed,
so I probably can't really coming on.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I don't know she has. But I will say in
his later years directing films and acting as well, I'm
really upset that there wasn't a threesome scene with Clint
Eastwood in this film, Like there was that that one
film that I saw a couple of years ago that
I don't remember the name of.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Wow, wild Things.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
I don't think it was Wild Things.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
It was a threesome.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah, there's a scene where he like he's smuggling like
he was smuggling.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yeah, yeah, so are you hold on? I want to
make sure I understand correctly. You were hoping that Clint Eastwood,
Morgan Freeman, and Hillary Sway were in a threesome.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
No, no, no, j Bouchelle all had a threesome. Oh
my god, because Jay does get the ship beat out
of him at some point in the.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Film's true, which I mean rightfully.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
So he basically got a coke zero up the ass.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yeah he did, and he looked like it.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I don't know what that you get your your face
beatn in.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
I just I'm I'm just here to be the laugh track.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I don't get it, and just smash his face in
and then.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
He probably he probably would have rather episode probably would
have been a nice He probably would have rather had
a coke row up his hands and maybe get beat
up by Anthony Mackie.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Fair enough.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
So, uh, the last could have would have should have.
In the last note I have for a million dollar
baby is there were two actresses attached to play Maggie
before Hillary Swaint came on board. Who do we think
those two actresses could have been? And it's not Alicia Silversteine.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
I was about to say, early two thousands, maybe.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Two thousand and three, two thousand and four.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
I don't know. Sandra Bullock, halle Berry.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, oh, I would have liked that Sandra Bullock was
one of them, but she eventually committed to do miscongeniality
too instead.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
What a choice as she should have. I mean, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
I just keep thinking like Nicole Kidman or Helen Mirin.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Not either one of those. Ashley Judd was considered.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Okay, well you know what back then she was Yep,
that makes sense, Yep, that makes that could have been
really something for her.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah. Uh. Do we have some favorite scenes or quotes
from Million Dollar Baby that we would like to add
before we move move out of here?

Speaker 4 (47:12):
I do. Let's hear it by sirs, they just laugh
at you so hurtful. It is hurtful. But I remember
saying that all anytime, like whatever we were talking about,
and I've just been like, they just laugh at you.
But yeah, that scene. But in context, that scene is
very hurtful because that woman just got a house for

(47:34):
free and she's been a bee about it.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
That shit pissed me off so bad. When Margo Martindale's
character just as a whole pissed me off about as
much as Tim McGraw did and Friday Night Lights. And
she's like so unappreciated. Yeah, yeah, unappreciative. It's a better
word for a free fit, a free uh house.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
And she's worried about all this money she gets from
the government.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, and she's like, there's a mentality I see a lot,
especially where I live, Like why do I want to
get off and get a get off my ass and
get a job when I've got this.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Yeah, and she yeah, but yeah, she's very ungrateful. It
was amazing, And then even the way she kind of
handled it, And then I liked where Clint Eastwood doesn't
even say anything, but you see him looking like he's
up against the porch. And then of course, you know,
it kind of comes out when they when it's clear
they've been to Disneyland and everything else before coming to
see her, which is also a nice But then I

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but then it's kind of like there's a little bit
of that, like, Okay, she sees them for who they
really are, because she actually tells Eastwood to be like,
so none of your business. But then she handles it herself,
and you know, they storm off, which right for you know,
of course they do. But but yeah, I think, I really,

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I think it's in those it's in those final moments
where he kind of tells her what that's saying is
and it's the first it's the really the first time
of the whole film, and again it's you know, it's
all about kind of this journey of kind of how
they meet and where they meet in their lives, but
that it's it's a very tender moment in that last
little bit, and I it's it's not so I guess

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this is a moment. But you know, even through all
the years, and I haven't really watched it all the
way through, probably since I saw in theaters, I just
I just really loved it then and I still do now.
But the one thing I always remembered was that final
shot of him and that diner. Yeah, and I even
forgot about the letter to his daughter and stuff and why,

(49:38):
but I loved when they first go I paid more
attention to it this time and when they were actually there,
and I thought that that that is such like no
matter where he goes, and it's like he just there,
he is, and that's all he's doing at this point,
and I don't know, I I it's I think it's
one of the best best endings in the way it's
just done. It doesn't even really kind of you know,

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it's just a glimpse, but you know, you know what's
going on.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah yeah. The phrase or name that he's given to her,
I wasn't even gonna attempt to butcher the pronunciation of it,
but it translates in Irish or Gaelic to my darling
and my blood, which literally means my pulse. I love
the connection between those two when it as it grows
throughout the film, because you see the mom and the

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sister and the sister's husband or whatever as a part,
but there's not a father in Maggie's life that seems
to be around, and so you know, Clintiechwood's Frankie's character
basically becomes that for her, at even so strongly at
the end of the film, where he's the one who
has to like take her out of her pain sadly.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, but I love how And of course the reveal
is very thought out because by the time you get
to that scene, it's it hits, it hits.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah. Yeah, well done, well.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Yeah, well done. Clint.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah, good job, Clint, thanks for making me cry because
my dad didn't have the injury that obviously Maggie took. Uh,
diabetes thanks to his exposure to agent Orange and Vietnam
kind of slowly derailed his life where he became bedridden
for such a long time and he collected those sores
like you see on Maggie throughout the end of the film,

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where his legs had to be amputated as well.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Now, luckily, you know other things was actually what ended
up taking his life and not not me going into
his assisted living center or nursing home and popping in
with a shot sadly, happily I should say, uh, but yeah,
those correlations of the two made me say fuck you,
Clint Eastwood. But he still made a beautiful movie at
the same fucking time. Yeah. So, before I get teary eyed,

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let's talk about our favorite boxing movies of all time.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
I think this one was pretty easy for me. I
would put million Dollar Baby up there, I would put
Rocky up there, I would put Cinderella Man in there,
and I would put Creed up there.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
So I have Rocky, million dollar Baby in Creed. I
went back and forth on Cinderellaman and the one that
I finally landed on just because I think it's an
overall better film is The Fighter. Yes, with Mark Walberg
christ that one, but I want to say too, and sorry,
well mccash, go ahead and say yours first, because there's

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another one that I think a lot of people that'll
listen to this and be like, why isn't that on there?
And anyway you got thoughts, Well, I basically haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it all and so I can't do it.
But I have a feeling it would be on most
people's Mount Rushmore. But go ahead, mccash in case you
have it.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I do have Cinderella, man. I do have not the
Mark Wahlberg The Fighter, but the Christian Bell The Fighter,
because I think he's the real star of the film.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Oh I say that.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
I was about to jump on that.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
And then I had the Champ, which was oh Ricky
Schroeders as a kid, his dad's like a fighter. I
forget who played the lead role in it. Anyway, it's
a beautiful, sad, touching film. And then I went with
a film I don't know if either guy, either of
you guys have heard of or seen this film. But

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it's a boxing comedy called Digstown.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Nope, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I haven't seen it, but I'm not sure if I
know what it is.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Either it's oh God, what's the actor's name? He was
on Sesame Street and and he was in that Richard
gear Officer and a Gentleman film.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Louis.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yes, Louis Gossen Jr. Is in it, and he plays,
you know, kind of an older, washed up boxer alongside
James Wood. It's from nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Yeah, they had to be old and that instead of
a million dollar baby.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
It's a film that that I worked in a movie
theater the time it came out in high school. So
I saw twenty times has nostalgia for me as well.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yep, that'll do it, will Yeah, that's that's. We'll accept
that excuse, even though I don't know if I think
I would chisel that shit off of your own.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Either one of you had fucking seen it, so you
can't speak on it.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
No, And the movie I was talking about is de
Niro's Raging Bull.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, but I just haven't.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
I haven't watched it all the way through, so I
had I just didn't want to do it, so but yeah,
this one kind of came pretty easy. But I'd say
Million Dollar Baby is my favorite of all.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Nobody nobody mentioned the Hurricane. I feel like that was.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
The hurricane and Ali yea too, but I think I
like the Hurricane better. But yeah, again, just overall enjoyment.
And also I think kind of like you know, with
all of ours, it's kind of like not the best,
but it's our favorite. So I'm like, you know, you
associate so much stuff with Rocky, even though yeah, I'm
sure the Hurricane was probably made better, but do you

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get do you have any of that without Rocky?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:06):
You know what I mean. And I think there's a
lot to say about Raging Bull too that I've just
seen over the years. But like I said, I haven't
sat and watched all of it, so I can't can't
do it. There you go, can't do it?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
De Niro? Uh is this it?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
We're out?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
That's what I was trying to get to. Is John
Voight the lead in Chan the Champ alongside Faye Dunaway
and Ricky Schroeder.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Oh, Faye Dunaway, isn't it nice?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah? It's from nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Yeah, oh god, Okay, well, I.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Highly recommend watching that if you like, especially if you
like million dollar babies, and it's the kind of the
dark themes, heavy themes well that are throughout the film.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
And if you like a same John Voight, I could
be that that might take your interest too.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Lost his fucking mind.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Well, gentlemen, that's all I've got for a million dollar Baby,
unless we've got something else we want to add before
we get out of here. I know we're up against
the clock.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
I'm happening with the sanity of John Voight.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
John boyit is running through the streets with a shield
right now.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'll leave that with you. Hey, guys, thanks
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Speaker 3 (56:54):
So cheers to another episode of Drinking With. You can
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Underscore Cast seventy five on Letterbox at Stephen mccash Again,
this is Drinking With, where we've explored the films that
we have come of age, just like a fine wine.
As we raise our glasses to movies turning twenty one,

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we've laughed, reminisced, and maybe shedded tear or two over
this timeless classic. I know I did while watching it.
So until next time, maybe your drinks be cold, your
conversation is lively, and your movie night's unforgettable. Drink responsibly
and remember age is just a number, but great films
are forever. We'll see you next time, but I've got
to go return some videotapes