June 9, 2023 • 57 mins
It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad Madison world Episode ! Emmy award winning host Dee Dee Sorvino makes hay over everything Madison ! Just so happens Tom Anderson is in Madison Wisconsin & host Dee Dee is in historic Madison Indiana at the same time so let the madness commence ! Highlighting what a beautiful country we have and other topical notes. Also How NYC has a horrible haze for more than one reason right now.
Guests include
Tom Anderson
Jennifer Ruby
Stephanie Janiczek
Official drink of the show is Cointreau & of course Sorvino Vino !
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Guests include
Tom Anderson
Jennifer Ruby
Stephanie Janiczek
Official drink of the show is Cointreau & of course Sorvino Vino !
So come join the jamboree ! Cheers !
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Everyone loves happy Hour, and noone makes an hour happier than actress,
comedian, author, host, andself proclaimed hat girl d D. Sorvino,
who each show serves up an hourof good times and great conversation food,
culture, fashion, current events,history, or just good gossip.
Grab a cocktail and take a seatas d D shares stories, talks with
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friends, and makes you wish youcould keep the bar tab open all night.
Where there's a party, there's dD. And you are invited,
sit back, relax and enjoy drinkswith d D. Here's your host,
d D. Sorvino. Welcome,Welcome, everybody. We are so excited
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for the show today. It's Drinkswith DDI. I'm your host, d
D. Sorvino and the bar isopen everybody. And then we're so happy
with us. You know, we'vebeen here gosh, you know we're going
to be coming up on a coupleof years, so it's pretty exciting.
And h you know, we loveto feature whatever the bar wants to talk
about. You know. You knowit's funny because I have other friends that
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are podcast hosts and they plan fora week or two or write it all
down, put it together and I'mlike, screw it. I'm decide that
morning or the day before or somethingbecauause I want to be in the mood
for what the day calls for.And then is what a bar cast a
bar and podcast is and that's whatdrinks with Deity. And I love to
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have my friends at the bar insteadof like one person, you know,
waxing poetic blah blah blah about theircareer blah blah blah blah blah. Everybody
does it. And I know aton of celebrity, So I could do
that every day if I wanted to, and here and there we do have
those guests. But I just kindof like to have a bar talk,
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so let's do it. So today'sbabe. Mean, we always just kind
of like talk about whatever the hellwe want to talk about, but we
we're going to talk about It's amad, mad mad world, but a
mad mad mad Madison world because tomand Anderson is in Madison, Wisconsin,
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and I'm in Madison, Indiana.Now, when is Zach going to happen
in the universe? Again, Idon't know. I hope a lot,
because Tommy is usually in California andmany times I am I split my time
between New York, California and Madison, Indiana, which is kind of odd
people think, but I love it. I love Indiana, I love Madison,
and especially when I can do it, I do so, Tommy,
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you and I are both in Madison. Cheers to that. Yeah, we
can't end up at the same winebar. Yeah, we're very far apart,
actually a couple of states or yeah, but we're both in Madison,
so cheers to that. Stephanie,you're in Pennsylvania. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, Stephanie, you're in Pennsylvania, and Jennifer, you're in Indiana with
me. So we're at the barand we're gonna have fun today. Talk
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about what's up. So I'll startwith my I'm having contro. So do
you all know it? Contro?What movie makes contro famous? No?
Casablanca because he goes, oh,let's have a couple of contros and then
he goes, no, no,no, on me the champagne, you
know, boof clicko. Well,I love contro and foof clicko and it's
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sort of like an orange flavored upFrench laqueur and it's beautiful and I was
sort of in a mood for butI feel silly because I should have had
lemonchella with what I'm wearing. Butthat's okay. I'm going citrus, so
it's quite good. Cheers Tommy.What are you having my Manison buddy today?
I brought on the plane with me, Oh my gosh, Jamison.
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And there's a story behind that.We'll go into that later, because oh
yes we will. I know alittle bit about it. I can't wait
to hear it more. But yeah, isn't it bunny how Tommy usually has
the gigantic bottle of Jamison, andhe's kind of a big guy and he
has the little, the little travelbottle. So that's cute. I like
it, you know. But hebrought in on the plane. He took
his Jamison from California to Wisconsin.You so round of Applaus for that.
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Drinks with Deity. You are acommitted drinker, and guess thank you for
that, Stephanie. Oh we appreciateit. What do you having, Stephanie.
It is called Paul Dolan Vineyards.It's a red Zimfandel m M.
Is it a California Yeah, it'sa rad I felt something a little bit
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moral bust today for some reason.So it's a real bust kind of day.
Yeah, well, you know,I've got two different guys. I
might open the other one and tryit out. Oh well, if I
was there with you, if wewere all there with you, we'd help
you. That is an it's anItalian take on the Zimpandel grape. And
I'm like, okay, all aboutit. It was what does that mean?
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What does that mean if it's aCalifornia one and it's Italian take?
It is? It is kind ofit's called it's a primitivo silento, and
um so the California folks aren't tryingto be Italian. Is that what you're
saying? No, it's it's there. I think they're the same kind of
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great, but they're ones in Italy, ones in California, and they might
have probably will have different Now seriouslythat happens to Oh my gosh, my
manner would be so man But ofcourse, my bottle of servino vino is
on the first floor. I'm onthe third floor. I forgot about it.
Oops. But they lorm Our winery, which Tommy's been too,
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is more like a Tuscan wine,and it's like being a Tuscany So yeah,
so California. Look, California haslovely wines, just amazing wines,
and sonas Italy France as well.But you know, we can be very
proud of the wines in California,and you know, and in the United
States, it make wines you know, in other states that are really good
that California is. It's the mostconsistent of any wine. It's so consistent.
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If there's if there's a brand thatyou have and you keep getting it,
it is rarely different. But ifyou get a French or at a
time, especially French, it canbe a little you know, that tastes
a little different. Yea, itcan be kind of fun. But if
you can consistency and you can goto the CVS and get a decent wine
from California, that's pretty damn good. We're in a great country. You
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gotta love the USA for that.When you can go to the damn drug
store get a decent wine for twentybucks and it's going to taste exactly like
the last Baba you got. AndI'm talking Kendall Jackson, you know what
I mean? Yeah, absolutely,agree, absolutely, And I say that
because I travel all the time.You know, after Paul died. I've
been back and forth across the countrya lot, and you know, I
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miss Paul so so, but travelingkind of helps. It's a it's a
cathartic thing, and counting about alot. I do like to be in
Madison, but I just have totravel lot for work or whatever. But
that isn't one thing I have manymany, many times. If there'sn't a
drug store nearby and there's a CVS, I just go get you know,
the Kendall Jackson or the Woodford Reserveor whatever it is that I need to
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get. Right. Yeah, well, yeah, all of at the Dollars
store at Madison was not the bestpick because they were like that big,
So thanks for remembering that. ButI love the Dollar Store. I'm just
like the Dollar Store today. SoJennifer, what are you having? Yeah?
Right, what are you having,Jennifer? Well, well, back,
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you know, I was anticipating summerweather, so I bought some Malibu
rune. Yeah. So I'm havingMalibu rhyme and orange juice. Well I
like it all right, that goodpick? Yeah, because we're just what
are we like a couple of weeksfrom summer once the twenty first, So
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you know, and I think everybodygets We had like two or three people
canceled today and that's okay. Look, I mean this is a good sized
group. It's wonderful. Uh butyou know, I kind of feel like
when summer comes, people bail,they go when they vacation, the kind
of like more out of it,you know. But in California, since
the weather's always warm, they're alwaysout of it. You never know what
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they're gonna do. They're always flaky. It's okay. I mean I've been
there, I've lived there. Ican say that Tommy lives there. But
Tommy, now that you're in Madison, Wisconsin, am I ride or am
I right? Oh? You're right, absolutely right? In LA and then
in California, I mean it's alwaysflaky. You never know if anybody's gonna
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show up. And if they showup, if it's an hour late,
that's like okay, And it's likenow, okay, you know, look
at the Midwest, I mean,you better be there at that time or
you're rude. I mean I'm alwaysthere in the parking line ten minutes before
waiting. So when I first gotto LA and I was wearing to Paul,
it's kind of like, oh,well, you don't want to look
anxious. So I'm like, I'mnot looking anxious. I'm just being polite.
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I'm just you know, I youknow, I'm just trying to like
be on time. I don't knowwhat a concept is that, But in
LA, I mean, they kindof frown on it, which I think
is bizarre, which is it's sotrue DD. That was one of my
biggest adjustments when I moved to LAwas because I'm the same way. I
gotta either beforehand, if you're ontime, you're late, you know,
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And I'm sitting there getting all stressedout when I find out most of the
people aren't there yet when I getthere, and they always blame traffic.
They always blame traffic and or fouror five or or the you know,
whatever it is. I mean,but in LA, you know, but
they always play that traffic. Butthe fact is they're right. But if
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you're going to leave and you thinkyou're going to get there in ten minutes,
you know, and you know betterbecause you've done it your whole life
as an actor or a performer orwhatever, you ain't getting there until half
an hour later, at least orforty minutes nothing is ten minutes away in
la It just isn't. I mean, I mean, once you're going somewhere
in Hollywood to Hollywood, that's it. I mean even Tommy, you know
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the same or at the American onLeitch and you go around the block to
the Lows that's ten minute minutes exactly. And that's two blocks. Yeah.
Yeah, you don't like you cango someplace in your your GPS says your
one one block away or half amile away minutes. Yeah, now I
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it's twenty five minutes where in Indiana. You know, look, we're we're
all at Stephanie One is the actualcity you're in because I I never remember.
I'm then Carlisle, Pennsylvania, whichis the home of the Army War
College and the Carlisle Barracks, whichis the oldest uh continuous post in the
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United States. It used to bea British h Harrisburg. It's too it's
south west of Harrisburg, right yeah, uh yeah, it's about maybe forty
five minutes away from there. Um, but even here because we live literally
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what we call truck stop Carlysle,and we're between eighty one and uh the
Pennsylvania Turbike I know exactly. Ohmy god, that is the terrible Oh
my god, I can't believe there. That is whenever the GPS takes you
on a weird road, right,Stephanie, and you think they're like,
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why aren't they taking me on thatroad? But it's correct. It's like
this weird stretch of road between thetwo big highways. Yeah. Well,
uh yeah, you miles or something. Uh, it's about a thirty eight
minute drive. That's where the firstshots of the Getting the Gettysburg Battle.
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We're in Carlisle the day before theactor. Yeah, that's where I think
of Carlisle. Yea. Yeah,Well if you look at if you look
at Stephanie, if you look atthe courthouse, you can see the cannonball.
I love that. By the way, Tommy, I still have a
script for you. I've got toget that to you. I know what.
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I don't forgot to ask you whenI saw you last cool I'm carrying
around, but you know what,I can send that to you electronically as
Wow, I've got the script andI've got electronically ill. Yeah. Anyway,
guys, we're just doing a littlemovie business, that's all. I
don't even know. We're both inMadison, Indiana and Madison, Wisconsin.
We still get our business done.Yes, So we're talking about kind of
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like locations and where we are.I mean, where are you in indian
I'm in a little what it usedto be a town called Irvington. It's
not Irvington anymore. Well, it'sso called Irvington, but we've been swallowed
up by Indianapolis. So I'm withinIndianapolis boundaries and my city is Indianapolis,
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not irving I love Irvington, butI'm sorry that it's now and I've been
at swallowed out Indianapolis East. Sorrywhat side of Indianapolis because almost do east,
just do East downtown. And they'regonna do some weird things with the
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circle. Now, how's that gonnawork? I don't even understand what they're
saying. I haven't wanted to look. In Indianapolis. They have the Soldiers
and Sailors Monument and it's very beautiful. It's really a special for Indianapolis.
It's the most beautiful part of thecity. I mean, it's monument circle,
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the Soldiers and Sailors Monument, andyou can drive around it. Now.
However, for some reason, somenutso people whoever they are thought that
they should change that, and nowthey're going to do a parking one on
one side or something. How thehell is that gonna work? I didn't
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want to look. I don't even, no, I don't even I literally
read that like two days ago,and I'm like, how is that gonna
work? I'm gonna wait. Theyclose it at different times, so I'm
gonna wait and see what they actuallydo and whether or not there's any pushback
too, because people do walk aroundthere a whole lot, and they don't
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pay attention to crosswalks. I meanthey're brick, but they don't pay any
attention. They just walk from themonument out. But that's their problem.
It doesn't mean they should shut downthe damn circle because they're on meth or
something. I mean they should stillleave the circle open. Poor Jennifer,
she's speechless. All right, Well, let's move on. So it's a
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mad, mad mad Madison world.So I'll start Tommy okay, because I'm
the host, So right outside mywindow here and let me see if I
can't and it won't look totally terrible. Can hell? I'm not doing a
good job. That's downtown Madison andI opened it on a window, but
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and I'd look like a black personand I'm very wide. So anyway,
it's really beautiful. It's hard totell, but anyway, I am run
on Main Street Madison. It's ahundred. It is historic because it's one
hundred and thirty three blocks of ahistoric landmark, which is the longest in
the country. By the way,one hundred and thirty three blocks of historic
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landmark. No one learned place inthe country has as much. So they
were very particular about Main Street.My building is beautiful. Every building is
beautiful in Madison. And Jennifer's probablyJennifer's probably visited here, I don't know,
or at least she's aware, rightJennifer in Madison. Anyway, Yeah,
so it's very beautiful. And whenthe pandemic hit, you know,
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Paul and I were living in NewYork in LA So when the pandemic hit,
it was armageddon and everything was closeddown and terrible, and Paul wasn't
even supposed to go outside to goto the drug store to go I'm like,
all right, screw this, Iam done with this ship. I
am not living like blade Runner,which is what New York City looks like
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right now, Blade Runner, I'mnot living in Army gued In Sonlink Green
and almost totally apocalyptic movies. I'mgoing home, so or I asked Paul,
I said, do you mind ifI buy something close to home?
He said, do whatever you want, because you know how Paul was,
whatever you want to do. SoI went home, looked around and I
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thought something that day, now isit? And that's where I am now.
So it's special to me because Iwas something like during the pandemic and
when New York City, which isstill like declining and having problems in LA
has always had a lot of crimeand a lot of problems, but during
the pandemic, it was really scary. It was really bad. It's like,
you know, you can't get tothe hospital. You can't get into
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the hospital because everybody's there at thehospital, and I was fearing for my
husband's life. So I'm like,let's go to a place that is normal,
like Madison, Wisconsin, I knowyour face, Stephanie, and Madison,
Indiana, which which is really themost normal and wonderful and beautiful place
in the world. And that's whyI'm still here. So anyway, so
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yeah, so this is if youever wanted Americana are idyllic or USA USA?
Main Street, USA. It's Madison, Indiana, and it's known for
that. During World War Two,they did a movie called The Town and
it was a World War two propagandamovie about how wonderful America is and they
filmed it here in Madison. Wellthere's a reason because we have one hundred
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and thirty three blocks of historic,beautiful buildings in Main Street and everybody loves
it. I mean, and whenyou walk around here, people are smiling.
It's nice. There's no pollution,very little crime. You have a
few homeless here and there, andthen they screwed them out, but it's
lovely. I mean, it's alovely place to be. So when I
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have to be in La and dothe movie thing, you know, like
with Tommy, you know which Tommy, I would love to do a movie,
Oh Tommy, I've never done onewith him, but we do the
American Legion and we run around andwe do that La thing. But LA
is really kind of rough. Imean, look, I don't care with
it for a while, but Iwould not want to live there. I
would absolutely not want to live there. So going back and forth, works.
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But that's why I said, Madison, Indiana is a love of place.
There's even a movie called Madison aboutthe boat races, which are coming
up in three weeks, by theway, who knows next week it might
be about speedboat racing. And JimCaviezel who played Jesus, by the way,
and he has a movie coming upagain. Well he started a movie
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Madison. Great guy, nice guy. But anyway, anytime anyone talks about
Madison again and they all know,oh my gosh, the most beautiful town
in the world. It is sogorgeous and it really is. It's Main
Street, USA, so you gottalove that. And you know when I
grew up around here, so Idid it whenever New York City again looks
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like Blade Runner And now actually LaTony said, it's June Gloom, And
I actually love June Gloom because it'skind of cloudy and it's not so sunny
and hot. So actually I wouldn'tmind it in La. Right now,
bad boy's gonna prefer Madison, Indiana. So Tommy, you are in Madison,
Wisconsin, and when you pull itup on the internet, completely dwarves
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Madison, Indiana. Madison, Indianayou have to put in Madison, Indiana,
because if you put in Madison,and it's all about Madison, Wisconsin.
So Tommy and tell us about that, tell us about your hometown and
why are you there by the way, huh. We had some families things
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come up, and my granddaughter graduatesfrom high school this weekend. Nice.
He came back for that. Madisonpops up because it's the state capital with
the second large a city in Wisconsin. That's where I worked at the Fireman
my hometown. But I haven't beenhere thirty years, and this town has
changed like unbelievable. Streets have changed, buildings have changed. My old hangouts
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are gone. They're like convenience storiesnow are just an empty lot. Um.
I was talking to my friend aboutstaying with We went to college together
and and we used to drive ourmotorcycles. Are on Madison doing all kinds
of stuff, and all the placeswe used to go through are gone.
It's like, wow, this isso weird. So so as you're there
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are back, are you kind ofsad about it? Like it's none like
it used to be, like thegood old days? Are you happy to
be back? Well? I likecoming back and visiting friends and that.
But it's it's not my home anymore, you know, even though I grew
up here and stuff and all myfriends. Everybody is you know, with
the Legion or in California and Norco. So it's it's kind of bitter suite,
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you know. I like coming backfor the Midwest stuff. Um.
I'm going to be back in Augustbecause I have my film is premarrying and
Green Base, so I'm going tobe back for that. But I come
here to see my family and dosome of the things I like to do.
They've got a great veteran museum.I go to that in Madison.
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Um. You know, I'm apart owner of the Packers like STEPHANIEZ.
So you have to all right,I've got to go up there, you
know. So so you get ourbrew crew in Milwaukee, the Brewers,
So oh yeah, I like todo a bunch of that stuff back here.
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Otherwise. The picture behind me isthe skyline and Madison across Lake Manona,
the state capital which is modeled afterthe Washington, DC Capital, and
then you have the Frank Lloyd RightConvention Center. Minona Terrace is over my
left shoulder. Um, it's absolutelygorgeous. And in fact in the water
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off of this. Famously, Uh, Otis Redding was coming to do his
his concert in Madison and his planecrash there and he died, so we
never got to do it. Ohno, really, Otis Redding ash in
Madison, Wisconsin, in the waterthere and right by the dog. Hey,
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and uh sitting by the dog atthe bay believe around and the dog
the ba Well, I mean,you know, it is what it is.
I mean, I think that kindof works for him, don't you.
It's sort of polytic and yeah,and it was always a great music
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spot. We had all these greatmusical groups came through here. I saw
Chicago when they were grash b God, aren't they great. Fuck They would
come up and play at this uhfunny of my dad's far it would come
up and play there. At thattime. They're called Chicago Transit Authority.
And that's before they had their firstbig yet. And of course once that
happened, they didn't play the Garageterthe bar circuit. But yeah, how
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long how long are you there,Tommy? I'm flying back next Tuesday.
I've got I've got some stuff that'sgoing on Wednesday, And so I got
to be back, so not thatlong one then enjoy enjoy everything. No,
we you know, August, I'mgonna be back for two weeks because
I'm doing the film film release We'regoing to I'm gonna go and do some
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stuff. Lydia wants to see moreof a consin. We're going to that
too. Hey Man, West isbest. I'm a big fan. Yeah,
oh thank god. Yes. Rightin the summertime, it's beautiful,
It's absolutely beautiful. And you know, I mean, and even known's Jude
Gloom in La right now, whichactually I like, I kind of forgot
about that. If it's July inAugust, I'm gonna kill myself. I
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don't want to be anywhere New Arlabecause the pollution. It's like New York
right now, it's disgusting. Youcan't even breathe. I don't want any
part of it. But right now, June Lum, I think, is
okay. So I'm kind of missit out. But I'd much either be
in Madison, Indiana, or inMadison, Wisconsin. Even now. According
to Stephanie, Madison, Wisconsin isvery liberal where Madison, Indianna. Ain't
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my dad used to really do theycall it that? Tommy really yes they
do, really, yeah, theydo. My dad used to call it.
My dad used to call it Moscowin Wisconsin. Oh gosh, no,
that's so bad. You gotta remembermy old my brother John got tear
gassed at Vietnam protests there. Myoldest brother went, got got his history,
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uh you know, master's degree there. My sister got her nurse's degree
there. See, don know Madison, Wisconsin while Stepening, I know,
what is it State Street? Well? Yes, really, Well I went
to many concerts in high school andgot went to many parties and I had
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a friend get propositioned by Don docin one night and I was like,
we have to go. Now we'releaving. Now, okay, we're going.
Um you know, it's it's it'svery interesting to be like eighteen years
old and not going to that schooland you're looking around, going this is
the weirdest place I've ever seen becauseit's bigger, and there are lots of
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people from different areas. I know, but look, we're all well traveled,
travel I believe so. I mean, but what makes Madison, Wisconsin
special? It's real, it isit is. There's a bunch of famous
actors team out of Madison yeah,well William Dafoe. No, but Fred
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McMurray, yep, really okay,I just that's a good one. That's
another great one. Yeah. MelBrooks no, welder, Welder, Oh
no, I want to love meltBrooks since his episode it's a mad,
bad and mad Madison episode. I'mtrying to think of the blonde who was
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played against Um Martin and uh,she provided a dozen Mary was the West
High school she graduated. Her nameis Bonnie something. Oh, Bonnie Bonnie.
That's right funny and yeah, shegraduated from from West. Fucking Tony's
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on it, man, He's justlike, shouldn't we say? It took
him three seconds? Well done?I'm loving Tony Man. Maybe you know
I wonder the older alarm at thisub n g O places. I mean,
I'm not the old is, butI'm one of the more productive.
I'm pretty sure I invite everybody tocome here. I'm all about inviting to
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the bar. So anyway, whowas who's the person? Do we figure
out? Bonnie Mary? Who thefuck? Who is it with? H
Oh? I love her? Yeah? Yeah, law we're also from Madison
and they had been together in highschool. Here yeah, West Nanda is
getting married and they're both actors andthey're both on the same TV series.
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But what is Madison, Wisconsin knownfor? Well, the the Big Ten
and the Wisconsin Badgers. Yeah whatelse? What? Yeah, I haven't
gotten Jennifer yet our resident adult andshe does have a connect to Madison,
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Wisconsin. You do, she does, Liza, Jennifer Mine's nerdy. Alpha
Kai Sigma is a professional chemistry fraternityand it's Alpha chapter that the very first
chapter is Madison, Wisconsin, andI went up there when I was going
to Purdue. We're being a newchapter and I went up there and went
skiing, and it's pretty cool sinceit's originated there. They have two big
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houses. Is a girl's house ina guy's house because it's a co ed
fraternity. So let me get thisis the chemistry professional chemistry fraternity, but
the national headquarters is here in Indianapolis. Now, okay, so you're an
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attorney and you belong to the chemistryfor chemistry. This is why Jennifer is
always the adult in the room withour show, because she she just is
like there, she just puts thoselike, you know, little chemistry things
together. We're like being foals andshe's like, yeah, putting it together.
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Anna. If you do that,you're gonna go to jail. If
you do that, you're gonna geta hit show. If you do that,
you're going to go nowhere. That'sour Jennifer. Well, that's cool,
awesome, Okay, So you havethat connect to Madison, Wisconsin.
So if you had to, likejust Jennifer, you know, in your
thought process because you're kind him inthe middle, you're in Indianapolis. So
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you have wis Madison, Wisconsin tothe north, Madison, Indiana to the
south. So how would you comparefrom the knowledge that you have. Well,
in general, I like to bea little bit warmer, so I
probably wanted to go to Madison,Indiana because it's pretty, its historical,
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and it'll be warmer. I don'treally want to go north of Chicago,
but a summer right this time.You're right, but I've been three months
out of the year. Madison,Wisconsin is nice, right, tell me
it's really nice right now? Yeah, yeah, about three months it's really
nice. And then the rest ofshit storms and snow and and tornadoes make
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up the rest of the time.Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
the fall is nice. Yeah,I mean you know, um,
Wis gods is great, great autumns. I mean you might wake up and
it might be below freezing and thenit will be about sixty five degrees and
it's just that is heaven right there. Um. Because it's always nice in
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Madison, Indiana, It's always nice. The Ohio Valley is just nice.
You know, it's just always goodand beautiful. Yeah, it's just always
nice. You know. My backyardis you Ohio rubber and Kentucky and it's
gorgeous and it looks like horse countryand I mean, you know, I
just love it here. I mean, it's idealic, it's lovely. But
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I do think that Madison, Wisconsinhas some things. I mean, but
people know about it and look that'spretty look at that, right, you
know. I And being a geeg, being a history geek, I always
have a special affinity for all thestate capitals because the state capitals is where
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all the government happens, and that'swhere all the action is. And the
state capitals are most all beautiful,and that one is and I've seen that
one. You know. I'm driventhrough there for whatever reason or been through
there. But wherever I go,I always try to look at the state
capital, and you know, becausethere's something special about that that's sort of
the heart of the state. Obviously, and Madison, Indiana, was going
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to be the state capitol. Theythought it wouldn't be the state capital,
but look, I mean it's atthe bottom of the state on the Ohio
River, so it needed to becentral and located. So it went to
Indianapolis, Indiana for a short time. Do you know what the first state
capitol was, Jennifer Gordon, Yeah, is it right? But the author
was going to be Madison because backin the river days, Madison was the
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place. It was the place.But you know that's why it is.
Back in the day, you guys. I mean, the river towns were
the richest, the best, themost cosmopolitan. And then when railroads came
in, that changed, and thenwhen highways came in, it really changed.
So you know, I'm talking backin the day. But I have
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a history degree and I love allof that old fashioned stuff. So anyway,
so it's fun and games. Butyou know, I think during a
time when our politics and everything isso crazy and ugly and just I don't
know, it's just I would loveto go back to the eighteen hundreds,
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even the seventeen hundreds. At thispoint it seems so I kind of like
the history and like the old cobblestonestreets and you know, and I love
that, and I think that's whyI live in Madison and get away from
what's going on of like where,you know, because I'm in like the
business, and I have to bein LA in New York or Nashville or
wherever the hell I'm going to go. And that's fine because our country is
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the best country in the world.But boy do I love coming home to
Main Street, USA, where it'sjust kind of stuck in time. I
think it's comfortable. Yeah it is. Yeah, I mean, so with
with everything going on, I mean, what do you want to think about
in New York in this crazy collutionand what's you know, what's up with
that? Sorryset do what we haveit here? You do? Yes,
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we have the small case and likethe last um few days for a few
days. Uh, it's bad.Okay. So all the way in Harrisburg,
I guess that makes sense because you'rereally not that far. You're not
that far and I've got actually,Jennifer, Indianapolis is not even that far
from Canada. It's really not.News had a map and it showed it
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come down through that part of Philadelphianow in South Low, the Washington DC
and Box who was even showing livefeed in Washington of the I think the
Washington Monument, which was just ahaze. Oh, it's terrible. Lea
Carmen or Carmen that's on the showquite a bit. She was in she
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was in Nashville, then she flewto Nashville. I'm sorry she flew to
from Nashville to Washington. She saidit's terrible there. And then she said
she's going to Syracuse to see herparents. And I'm like, oh my
gosh, you're going right into thestore. Ye yikes. I mean,
you know, I just think that'sscary. It's so weird too. Wow.
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Yeah, yeah, well I gottasay that I got I can smell
a smoke here in Carlisle. Um, I only go out, I mean,
I can't go out to walk orshould you No, No, nobody
should walk in that. No,it's it's just and you know we've got
the wind is just from the north. That's it. That's all this is
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about. And it's about seventy twodegrees and there should be about in five
and that hey's es keeping the heataway. Oh yeah, you know,
and so you know the global warmingstuff. It's like, yeah, really
you think you know what have youheard that? That that the Canadian dude
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is saying? What? What?What is? What does he think about
it all? He's very quiet.Yeah, I think he said, this
has nothing to do with global warming, your climate change. And it's like,
you thank Fidel Junior. You thinkyou know he's he's he's a dufus.
He's just like his dad. AndI'm not talking about Pierre talk about
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the debt. M hmm. Okay. So here's the thing, and let's
lighting up a little bit because weare in the summer. I mean it's
coming. I mean we're in Juneand on the twenty first, it's the
official day of summer. So youknow, I feel like everyone not as
much mean because I'm so fair complexed. Summer for me is not as fun
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as it is for most. Iprefer for the other seasons. And frankly,
summer is my least favorite season becauseI'm like, oh, hiding from
the sun. But I do wantthe fact that everybody else gets so excited
about Oh my god, summer andthey go swimming and vacationing and that's when
they do their thing or whatever.So what are you all doing for summer
or what are your summer plans?What are you thinking about? What is
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the world doing right now for summer? Jeting? For you've got kids,
what are you gonna do with yourkids? Well, my daughter starts Driver's
head next Monday, learning how todry. That's the big, big thing.
And then that's a big damn deal. You know. When I took
drivers in, the teacher had tolike slam on the brakes because I was
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going too fast. I remember thatI got in trouble. I passed,
but I got in trouble. Ijust remember, for drivers said that I
didn't. Even the first time Igot behind the wheel really was during Driver's
Aid. And all the boys inmy car had been driving tractors and their
parents cars, and they weren't reallysupposed to because we grew up in Avon,
which is more rural, so therewasn't anything for them to run into
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or anything. So their dads tookthem out in their cars a lot before.
Even drivers said me, no,not at all. And I'm afraid
even though I tried to get mydaughter used to the car early on.
She's petrified out of driving, hasno desire to learn. You know.
I had to tell you that,you know, because I came from more
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of a hillbilly family, so Imean, they taught me on a stick
ship. So when I drove,it was fucking not there. I mean,
I'm like speeding a lot, andthen teachers like you're going too fast.
I'm the god God, I meanand literally, because you know when
drivers said they have their own break, the teacher so he would like,
do the break. I think Ialmost flunk. I made it, but
barely so. Anyway, So Jennifer, I understand that. I think it
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would be hard if you start driversand that's the first time you drove.
Oh my gosh, I had UncleWillie taking me out in a car in
the in the in in a stickshift, and then it's way harder to
drive than an automatic. Obviously,everybody totally totally nobody knows how to drive
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a stick but tommy, nobody knowshow to drive a stick shift. Nobody,
And you know, the kids,they can't even write in cursive anymore.
God, I feel like such anold lady well knows people who can
drive stick shifts. They're not goingto their car stones. Why no,
what but tell me I'm missing that? Why because nobody knows how to drive
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a stick right right, right rightexactly. They don't know how to drive
it. That's funny. You're right, though, you're absolutely right. The
last time, the last time Idrove a stick, the transmission was like
a mile away behind me coming out. And yeah, it's a totally different
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thing, isn't it. Well,I'm a retired, but I tell you
I'm a retired driving a stick.Yea, I liked it back in the
day. That's been a while.Oh yeah, I got my stick about
ten years ago. I had aMustang g T five speed. That was
my first car. I had aMustang Invertible sixty six. I said I
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gotta get an auto because I was. I was, you know, on
the freeway constantly, ships, constantlyship. I couldn't like, yeah,
you can't, yeah, you can'tdo you can't do that in LA.
You can't do that enough. Solet's talk about the things, like,
you know, how greater our countryis, even though we're bitching a little
(40:05):
bit, but you know, frankly, we've got the best country in the
world. How would you like tobe in Ukraine or Russia or fucking China?
I mean sucks there. I mean, look at New York. They've
got three or four days of thisterrible era. But China has it like
every day. Beijing. Hello,look at Beijing every day. It's disgusting.
So we have places, you know, you can choose to be in
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the city like la and New Yorkwhere there's a lot of crime and homeless
people. Which is I hate it? I just do. I have to
tell you. I hate walking downthe street and warning and they're gonna knipe
me or chuck me or you know, rape me or whatever, which,
believe me, they would never getaway with. You know, I'm just
talking smack here, fucking nobody.Nobody's mentioning with me anywhere. I am
(40:46):
ready for it. I'm good.But at least I can come home to
Madison and I'm good. I don'thave to worry about anything. I don't
have to carry, and believe me, in those shittiest cities, I do
carry. And if they catch mewhere I'm going, you know where I'm
going, Yeah, jail, I'mgonna jail. I'm gonna jail. I'm
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gonna jail, but you know what, I'd rather live and deal with that
than not, because they waved theknives around and they and they punch you
and they do whatever. In Madison, nobody's doing that. Everybody's like,
you know, my neighbors are sogreat. They all look out for me
and my building. I'm gonna bebeautiful building whatever, and they all like
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sweep my sidewalk when I'm gone,and they watch and do it. I've
never had a damn thing. I'venever had one problem. And my guess
is in Madison, Wisconsin, theywould not either, and probably not Carlisle.
But I don't know Irvington. I'mwondering, Jennifer de feel safe in
Irvington. I like Irvington, butit's a little Yeah, Wisconsin is we're
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close to Chicago and we're close tomore hockey, and we called it the
Iron Triangle Madison, Milwaukee, Chicagobecause the drugs and the gangs, prostitution
will go follow that circle. Wewould get a lot of the game stuff
to come up here from from Chicagoor Milwaukee and vice versa. So yeah,
there are certain parts of the citythat were are kind of dangerous.
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So Tommy, how far where areyou from Chicago and Milwaukee. Milwaukee's about
sixty five miles I think from here, and Chicago is maybe eighty. Oh.
So that is a triangle. That'sdefinitely a trifecta there for sure.
Oh oh yeah, yeah, anduh so that's why we have a lot
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of ris So what are the whatare the differences between the three cities,
because you know, I kind ofthink that people in other parts of the
country find I do anyway that findlike area rivalries or you know how that
works. I mean, so youknow, what what is what is the
struck? Sure, there we havethe rivalries, but we're so similar that
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we consider ourselves all the same.And this part of the state Milwaukee,
Milwaukee, Madison, and Chicago.So what would you say the biggest difference
differences between those three cities are well, the biggest difference state line. Yeah.
But yeah, we we we havethe same sense to humor, we
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have you know, we we mostof the rival reach of sports and stuff
are just fun. Yeah, AndI think that's a good part. Isn't
it a good part? I wouldthink that's a good one. Yeah,
it's it's a good part. AndI always enjoy my friends for both cities.
Yeah, and we have the sameaccess. And you get North up
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by Lacrosse or Stephanie Strong or Northand that they sound like you're yeah,
you sound like you're what you soundlike you're what? Yep it Stephanie,
you don't have an access at all, sound like you're from the Midwest.
You're like, you're like Jennifer andme. In fact, I think I
mame and had a little tiny southern'swing. But Jennifer and you, in
my opinion, there's no accident atall. But Charmmy I can kind of
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heart Wisconsin. It comes back.Yeah, yeah, of course, and
it's charming. It's charming. Ilove it when I go to when I
go home, I immediately get thesympathetic thing with my sisters because we live
all right Lacrosse. If Wisconsin's aglob yeah, like this is this is
Wisconsin green Base here, Lacrosse ishere, Mississippi rivers there, there's been
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soda. So they all sound likethe Minnesota mom Okai Yeah are yeah you
know, yeah, yeah, butwhat is the covered dish that they bring
up there? Oh there's cast roleLike my favorite's got to be the tator
top casting. That's good. Thefuck is that? It's Jennifer? Have
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you ever heard of the tainter talk? I've never heard of that either.
Okay, what is it? It'sfun? Is that it's like tater tots
on the bottom and then they putlike a creamy thing with like bamburger with
onions and garlic and god no,oh god no, yeah yeah, and
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of course cheese. We haven't cheese, said damn it. I'm so man,
I didn't have lemon shellow today.But that's okay, Stephanie. Did
you used to have the potato chipsandwiches up? And we didn't do that?
Do that? I think my dadwould have said no to that.
So what is the other quisine?Okay? Since you know I am a
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foodie, so anything food and drinkI love it. And of course always
the official drink is for vino vinoof the show. When we go with
the wine and cheese, Madison wasuns but your food sounds fucking horrible.
I mean even worse than Indiana.I mean, all right, did I've
got to do? JD has toexperience ludifest What lucierifest? Ludifest is a
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normal is a cured God but theycure it and cured what and lie and
it's Norwegian. I don't know whatyou mean. It's a cured what in
lie? The chemical life? Ohgod, what the fuck? No,
I don't want entirely. My dad. Yeah, my dad would come in
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during Christmas and my mom oppys tobe banking because Jennifer, you want to
go up with me and tryumph forme and be my tester, be my
you know, thank you. Noany wants to do that, you know.
My dad would say it smells likedirty sweat socks your no, no,
let's back up here now. I'myou know. The end of the
show is all about food drink becausethat's what I love anyway. So ludify
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fast. Is that a fish?Yeah, it's cod. It's it's cod
cod. Yeah. And okay,okay, okay, loot up fest how
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do you spell it? Lut ef I s k Okay. That's disgusting.
It's not it should not be evenThey do they serve that in restaurant
in Madison, Wisconsin. No,not, they don't. They don't.
They don't do it. And lacrosseeither. It's a traditional thing that if
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you go to like churches around Christmasluther Where where? Who serve on shit
churches? Why are wetting in here? At the loots are in church?
Fucking Christmas food. I just wantto understand what's going on here. It's
it's you can understand, it's no, I'm not in this regard. No,
who would eat that shit? Idon't understand? All right, So
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let's go. Let's they told youwhat you're going to live? Oh,
and I said, I will neverever do this stupid stuff again. There's
something worse. There's the worst thingfrom Sweden and it's basically rotten fish in
a pot. It's the worst Iever. I don't even want to know
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more. I don't think what's what? You know? We always go down
this fucking sewer on our show whatat some point? Okay, but no,
I need to know what's it called. What's the sewer fish called?
It's a it's a it's a Ican't remember what it's called. But it's
Swedish and no Norwegians. And they'relooted this for ass. Swedes over this
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stuff because they won't need it.And I'm like, all right, okay,
so let's go. Let's let's goto the food of like our choice.
Please, I'm begging you because Iuh so, anyway, we're we're
going in the summer, and weren'ttalking about the Midwest. So you know
what that means, Honey Kenney beso, oh my god. Okay,
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that's that's from Wisconsin for sure.Brought worst. So do they serve brought
worst of the county fair? Therewere a yeah, yeah, ye.
And Indiana it's corn dogs. AndI swear to god, the corn dogs
are like a foot long. Theyare there. I hold him here and
it's is tall about my hat,right, Jennifer, yeahs everywhere here yep,
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A broad stands. That's the wayit should be in Indiana. It's
all about the corner and the corndog. And I do love a good
corn dog. I gotta tie youwell, absolutely totally agree with you.
I mean I never have them,but boy do I like them. But
you know what, Jennifer, whatis the your favorite food at the Indiana
Because I think you luck. I'mjust gonna say, I think the Indiana
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State Fair it's got to be thebest state fair in the country because it's
the state fair in Indiana's in themiddle of the country. It's not more
Americana than that, because not,Tommy. I love the fact that you
have brought worst here, but that'snot American, sorry, Jennifer, and
I love it. But the otherthing Chicago pizza because no, right,
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but I'm talking county fair country foodnow is when I'm talking about I'm talking
country quizine. There's cream pops atthe Wisconsin State Fair. Nobody has fucking
Oh my god, that is so. But I don't have cream puffed at
the fucking State Ferret. Nobody.That is not. I mean, I
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would love it, but really,Jennifer, to imagine cream puffs at the
Indiana State Ferret. No, notreally, not real. You have cream
puffs at your state ferret. Butcheese now, wow, of course that
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fried cheese curds are good. Inever had at you guys, Oh my
god, my my had my that. I've had a terrible time with my
head piece. But it does looklike a cheesehead. I do look like
cheesehead, does it does? Myfavorite is sandwiches. Those aren't good,
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So Jennifer, show show our friendshow big those are can be. Like
this, they're like that big three, the four that they're that big.
No, No, that's what theydo, Tommy, the buns this big
and the fucking turnal. Now it'srolled thin, but it's like that big
cut it up and to make itfit on the bun. It's a thing
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that would be awesome and is good. Oh my god, I'm hungry now
and it's yummy. Oh. Theother thing we have is sweet carn fresh
butter r yes, yes, whichis with a little bit of solid No.
I like that, but Jennifer,I don't think it the stay fair
we get that fancy. I thinkit's pretty much corn on the cob,
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corn on the cob. It's oneof the men. Yeah, I mean,
and it's good, but they don'tgo fancy with like extra like sweet.
They sweeten it up. Okay,So we have four minutes. So
I'm happy we're talking about food becausethat's always a glorious thing. So,
Jennifer, I have to tell youat the Indiana State Look, I love
the tenderloins. But those steak sandwichesare so good. Oh, those are
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good. I like I like um. I like the tenderloines. It's one
of the things that I indulge invery rarely. But it's very Indiana.
It's very Indiana. State. Let'ssay a client that's a port producer.
So, no, that's not whatit looks like, right, Jennifer,
No, no, no, that'sput Indiana pork tenderloin in. It's like
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that big. It's just like nowhereelse. It's just what it is.
It's it really is this big,and then you have to like fold it
up, cut it up or whateverkind of like they fold up the pizza,
you know, like whenever they dothat, but they don't in Chicago
because yeah, that's it, that'sit. But that's even a small one.
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Yeah, that's even a small one. Usually too bigger than it's big
as that play. Yeah, thethree of us would have to share because
I couldn't eat that. Yeah,but it's it's I know, but that's
that's four. No, but it'sgood. I swear to you. It's
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so good, isn't it. It'sso good? So I let that's Cannon
Cannon Fair. Cannon Fair. Soin Wisconsin, because we've got three minutes
now, are the cheese kurage thebig event at the county fair? Stay?
Yeah? Is that the biggest thing? So at the County Fair in
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Madison, Wisconsin, it's cheese curdsand beer. I'm just guessing and corner
on the cop rod okay corner andcop All right, Stephanie, what about
Pennsylvania? Even though I know youknow all about Madison, Wisconsin? Is
there a different you know, Iprobably uh got it. We've I mean
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trying to get to go with fair. I don't know. I mean honestly,
no, but traditional food because they'regonna, you know, they're gonna
serve the traditional food at the fairs. They would probably be like a pork
tenderling thing because yeah, we'll beamish and pies. What about pies?
What's the big amish pot? See, yeah, you're in here. There
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should be pie central, shoe flypie, shoe fie. No, I
don't even know what that is.Do you know what that is? Jennifer?
I don't know what that is?What's shoe fly pie? It's got
like my asses in it and it'sgross and I I bought it one time
for a dessert, all right,Not for me. I don't like that
sweet shit, especially molasses. Notfor me, Jennifer, we got two
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minutes leapt two minutes left. Yousaid that pork tenderloin your faaorite thing at
the fair. Anything else there,I'm thinking my hat, maybe lemon,
the lemon drinks. Yeah, women, the women shakeups are pretty good.
Those are pretty good. And Iwould have thought that Philliensylvania it would have
been cheese steaks sandwiches because they havethose in Indiana too. But yeah,
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I would think cheese steaks sandwiches wouldbe big at the Pennsylvania Affair. It
is. And yet if you gosomewhere outside of Philadelphia and eat one,
and then you go to South Philadelphiaand have one from there, the differences
are that much. Yea, thatwas my question. Is it different because
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I have to say most of thePhilly cheese steaks I don't like. I
think they're lame. But my guessis in Philly they're good. There are
two places they're there, Uh touristy. If you go to an offbeat place,
you'll get a better place. I'llget a better one. Yeah,
it's different. Yeah, they onlyhave the unique styles. Yeah right,
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yeah right. Well in Indiana,I love corn dogs, I love the
park tender loins, I love thesteaks sandwiches, but I just love the
Indiana food in general. I thinkit's great. Nobody said elephant ears.
Those are good too, but Idon't like I don't like sweet stuff,
but everybody does at the fairs.Tommy, let's do the picture because right
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and now I'm hungry. Now I'mhungry. Guys, you made me very,
very hungry already. Mm hmm yeah, got it. Take a bunch,
don't be like Michael and take onedumb ass picture. Now. Tommy
does a good job. I knowyou did. I know you did,
so, Tommy, fun in Madisonwas consin ye. I have a great
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time going to college. They have. Tony Evers is a great my granddaughter. Uh huh
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so let's do it. So today'sbabe. Mean, we always just kind
of like talk about whatever the hellwe want to talk about, but we
we're going to talk about It's amad, mad mad world, but a
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and I'm in Madison, Indiana.Now, when is Zach going to happen
in the universe? Again, Idon't know. I hope a lot,
because Tommy is usually in California andmany times I am I split my time
between New York, California and Madison, Indiana, which is kind of odd
people think, but I love it. I love Indiana, I love Madison,
and especially when I can do it, I do so, Tommy,
(02:35):
you and I are both in Madison. Cheers to that. Yeah, we
can't end up at the same winebar. Yeah, we're very far apart,
actually a couple of states or yeah, but we're both in Madison,
so cheers to that. Stephanie,you're in Pennsylvania. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, Stephanie, you're in Pennsylvania, and Jennifer, you're in Indiana with
me. So we're at the barand we're gonna have fun today. Talk
(03:00):
about what's up. So I'll startwith my I'm having contro. So do
you all know it? Contro?What movie makes contro famous? No?
Casablanca because he goes, oh,let's have a couple of contros and then
he goes, no, no,no, on me the champagne, you
know, boof clicko. Well,I love contro and foof clicko and it's
(03:20):
sort of like an orange flavored upFrench laqueur and it's beautiful and I was
sort of in a mood for butI feel silly because I should have had
lemonchella with what I'm wearing. Butthat's okay. I'm going citrus, so
it's quite good. Cheers Tommy.What are you having my Manison buddy today?
I brought on the plane with me, Oh my gosh, Jamison.
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And there's a story behind that.We'll go into that later, because oh
yes we will. I know alittle bit about it. I can't wait
to hear it more. But yeah, isn't it bunny how Tommy usually has
the gigantic bottle of Jamison, andhe's kind of a big guy and he
has the little, the little travelbottle. So that's cute. I like
it, you know. But hebrought in on the plane. He took
his Jamison from California to Wisconsin.You so round of Applaus for that.
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Drinks with Deity. You are acommitted drinker, and guess thank you for
that, Stephanie. Oh we appreciateit. What do you having, Stephanie.
It is called Paul Dolan Vineyards.It's a red Zimfandel m M.
Is it a California Yeah, it'sa rad I felt something a little bit
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moral bust today for some reason.So it's a real bust kind of day.
Yeah, well, you know,I've got two different guys. I
might open the other one and tryit out. Oh well, if I
was there with you, if wewere all there with you, we'd help
you. That is an it's anItalian take on the Zimpandel grape. And
I'm like, okay, all aboutit. It was what does that mean?
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What does that mean if it's aCalifornia one and it's Italian take?
It is? It is kind ofit's called it's a primitivo silento, and
um so the California folks aren't tryingto be Italian. Is that what you're
saying? No, it's it's there. I think they're the same kind of
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great, but they're ones in Italy, ones in California, and they might
have probably will have different Now seriouslythat happens to Oh my gosh, my
manner would be so man But ofcourse, my bottle of servino vino is
on the first floor. I'm onthe third floor. I forgot about it.
Oops. But they lorm Our winery, which Tommy's been too,
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is more like a Tuscan wine,and it's like being a Tuscany So yeah,
so California. Look, California haslovely wines, just amazing wines,
and sonas Italy France as well.But you know, we can be very
proud of the wines in California,and you know, and in the United
States, it make wines you know, in other states that are really good
that California is. It's the mostconsistent of any wine. It's so consistent.
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If there's if there's a brand thatyou have and you keep getting it,
it is rarely different. But ifyou get a French or at a
time, especially French, it canbe a little you know, that tastes
a little different. Yea, itcan be kind of fun. But if
you can consistency and you can goto the CVS and get a decent wine
from California, that's pretty damn good. We're in a great country. You
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gotta love the USA for that.When you can go to the damn drug
store get a decent wine for twentybucks and it's going to taste exactly like
the last Baba you got. AndI'm talking Kendall Jackson, you know what
I mean? Yeah, absolutely,agree, absolutely, And I say that
because I travel all the time.You know, after Paul died. I've
been back and forth across the countrya lot, and you know, I
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miss Paul so so, but travelingkind of helps. It's a it's a
cathartic thing, and counting about alot. I do like to be in
Madison, but I just have totravel lot for work or whatever. But
that isn't one thing I have manymany, many times. If there'sn't a
drug store nearby and there's a CVS, I just go get you know,
the Kendall Jackson or the Woodford Reserveor whatever it is that I need to
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get. Right. Yeah, well, yeah, all of at the Dollars
store at Madison was not the bestpick because they were like that big,
So thanks for remembering that. ButI love the Dollar Store. I'm just
like the Dollar Store today. SoJennifer, what are you having? Yeah?
Right, what are you having,Jennifer? Well, well, back,
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you know, I was anticipating summerweather, so I bought some Malibu
rune. Yeah. So I'm havingMalibu rhyme and orange juice. Well I
like it all right, that goodpick? Yeah, because we're just what
are we like a couple of weeksfrom summer once the twenty first, So
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you know, and I think everybodygets We had like two or three people
canceled today and that's okay. Look, I mean this is a good sized
group. It's wonderful. Uh butyou know, I kind of feel like
when summer comes, people bail,they go when they vacation, the kind
of like more out of it,you know. But in California, since
the weather's always warm, they're alwaysout of it. You never know what
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they're gonna do. They're always flaky. It's okay. I mean I've been
there, I've lived there. Ican say that Tommy lives there. But
Tommy, now that you're in Madison, Wisconsin, am I ride or am
I right? Oh? You're right, absolutely right? In LA and then
in California, I mean it's alwaysflaky. You never know if anybody's gonna
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show up. And if they showup, if it's an hour late,
that's like okay, And it's likenow, okay, you know, look
at the Midwest, I mean,you better be there at that time or
you're rude. I mean I'm alwaysthere in the parking line ten minutes before
waiting. So when I first gotto LA and I was wearing to Paul,
it's kind of like, oh,well, you don't want to look
anxious. So I'm like, I'mnot looking anxious. I'm just being polite.
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I'm just you know, I youknow, I'm just trying to like
be on time. I don't knowwhat a concept is that, But in
LA, I mean, they kindof frown on it, which I think
is bizarre, which is it's sotrue DD. That was one of my
biggest adjustments when I moved to LAwas because I'm the same way. I
gotta either beforehand, if you're ontime, you're late, you know,
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And I'm sitting there getting all stressedout when I find out most of the
people aren't there yet when I getthere, and they always blame traffic.
They always blame traffic and or fouror five or or the you know,
whatever it is. I mean,but in LA, you know, but
they always play that traffic. Butthe fact is they're right. But if
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you're going to leave and you thinkyou're going to get there in ten minutes,
you know, and you know betterbecause you've done it your whole life
as an actor or a performer orwhatever, you ain't getting there until half
an hour later, at least orforty minutes nothing is ten minutes away in
la It just isn't. I mean, I mean, once you're going somewhere
in Hollywood to Hollywood, that's it. I mean even Tommy, you know
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the same or at the American onLeitch and you go around the block to
the Lows that's ten minute minutes exactly. And that's two blocks. Yeah.
Yeah, you don't like you cango someplace in your your GPS says your
one one block away or half amile away minutes. Yeah, now I
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it's twenty five minutes where in Indiana. You know, look, we're we're
all at Stephanie One is the actualcity you're in because I I never remember.
I'm then Carlisle, Pennsylvania, whichis the home of the Army War
College and the Carlisle Barracks, whichis the oldest uh continuous post in the
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United States. It used to bea British h Harrisburg. It's too it's
south west of Harrisburg, right yeah, uh yeah, it's about maybe forty
five minutes away from there. Um, but even here because we live literally
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what we call truck stop Carlysle,and we're between eighty one and uh the
Pennsylvania Turbike I know exactly. Ohmy god, that is the terrible Oh
my god, I can't believe there. That is whenever the GPS takes you
on a weird road, right,Stephanie, and you think they're like,
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why aren't they taking me on thatroad? But it's correct. It's like
this weird stretch of road between thetwo big highways. Yeah. Well,
uh yeah, you miles or something. Uh, it's about a thirty eight
minute drive. That's where the firstshots of the Getting the Gettysburg Battle.
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We're in Carlisle the day before theactor. Yeah, that's where I think
of Carlisle. Yea. Yeah,Well if you look at if you look
at Stephanie, if you look atthe courthouse, you can see the cannonball.
I love that. By the way, Tommy, I still have a
script for you. I've got toget that to you. I know what.
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I don't forgot to ask you whenI saw you last cool I'm carrying
around, but you know what,I can send that to you electronically as
Wow, I've got the script andI've got electronically ill. Yeah. Anyway,
guys, we're just doing a littlemovie business, that's all. I
don't even know. We're both inMadison, Indiana and Madison, Wisconsin.
We still get our business done.Yes, So we're talking about kind of
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like locations and where we are.I mean, where are you in indian
I'm in a little what it usedto be a town called Irvington. It's
not Irvington anymore. Well, it'sso called Irvington, but we've been swallowed
up by Indianapolis. So I'm withinIndianapolis boundaries and my city is Indianapolis,
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not irving I love Irvington, butI'm sorry that it's now and I've been
at swallowed out Indianapolis East. Sorrywhat side of Indianapolis because almost do east,
just do East downtown. And they'regonna do some weird things with the
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circle. Now, how's that gonnawork? I don't even understand what they're
saying. I haven't wanted to look. In Indianapolis. They have the Soldiers
and Sailors Monument and it's very beautiful. It's really a special for Indianapolis.
It's the most beautiful part of thecity. I mean, it's monument circle,
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the Soldiers and Sailors Monument, andyou can drive around it. Now.
However, for some reason, somenutso people whoever they are thought that
they should change that, and nowthey're going to do a parking one on
one side or something. How thehell is that gonna work? I didn't
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want to look. I don't even, no, I don't even I literally
read that like two days ago,and I'm like, how is that gonna
work? I'm gonna wait. Theyclose it at different times, so I'm
gonna wait and see what they actuallydo and whether or not there's any pushback
too, because people do walk aroundthere a whole lot, and they don't
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pay attention to crosswalks. I meanthey're brick, but they don't pay any
attention. They just walk from themonument out. But that's their problem.
It doesn't mean they should shut downthe damn circle because they're on meth or
something. I mean they should stillleave the circle open. Poor Jennifer,
she's speechless. All right, Well, let's move on. So it's a
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mad, mad mad Madison world.So I'll start Tommy okay, because I'm
the host, So right outside mywindow here and let me see if I
can't and it won't look totally terrible. Can hell? I'm not doing a
good job. That's downtown Madison andI opened it on a window, but
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and I'd look like a black personand I'm very wide. So anyway,
it's really beautiful. It's hard totell, but anyway, I am run
on Main Street Madison. It's ahundred. It is historic because it's one
hundred and thirty three blocks of ahistoric landmark, which is the longest in
the country. By the way,one hundred and thirty three blocks of historic
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landmark. No one learned place inthe country has as much. So they
were very particular about Main Street.My building is beautiful. Every building is
beautiful in Madison. And Jennifer's probablyJennifer's probably visited here, I don't know,
or at least she's aware, rightJennifer in Madison. Anyway, Yeah,
so it's very beautiful. And whenthe pandemic hit, you know,
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Paul and I were living in NewYork in LA So when the pandemic hit,
it was armageddon and everything was closeddown and terrible, and Paul wasn't
even supposed to go outside to goto the drug store to go I'm like,
all right, screw this, Iam done with this ship. I
am not living like blade Runner,which is what New York City looks like
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right now, Blade Runner, I'mnot living in Army gued In Sonlink Green
and almost totally apocalyptic movies. I'mgoing home, so or I asked Paul,
I said, do you mind ifI buy something close to home?
He said, do whatever you want, because you know how Paul was,
whatever you want to do. SoI went home, looked around and I
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thought something that day, now isit? And that's where I am now.
So it's special to me because Iwas something like during the pandemic and
when New York City, which isstill like declining and having problems in LA
has always had a lot of crimeand a lot of problems, but during
the pandemic, it was really scary. It was really bad. It's like,
you know, you can't get tothe hospital. You can't get into
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the hospital because everybody's there at thehospital, and I was fearing for my
husband's life. So I'm like,let's go to a place that is normal,
like Madison, Wisconsin, I knowyour face, Stephanie, and Madison,
Indiana, which which is really themost normal and wonderful and beautiful place
in the world. And that's whyI'm still here. So anyway, so
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yeah, so this is if youever wanted Americana are idyllic or USA USA?
Main Street, USA. It's Madison, Indiana, and it's known for
that. During World War Two,they did a movie called The Town and
it was a World War two propagandamovie about how wonderful America is and they
filmed it here in Madison. Wellthere's a reason because we have one hundred
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and thirty three blocks of historic,beautiful buildings in Main Street and everybody loves
it. I mean, and whenyou walk around here, people are smiling.
It's nice. There's no pollution,very little crime. You have a
few homeless here and there, andthen they screwed them out, but it's
lovely. I mean, it's alovely place to be. So when I
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have to be in La and dothe movie thing, you know, like
with Tommy, you know which Tommy, I would love to do a movie,
Oh Tommy, I've never done onewith him, but we do the
American Legion and we run around andwe do that La thing. But LA
is really kind of rough. Imean, look, I don't care with
it for a while, but Iwould not want to live there. I
would absolutely not want to live there. So going back and forth, works.
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But that's why I said, Madison, Indiana is a love of place.
There's even a movie called Madison aboutthe boat races, which are coming
up in three weeks, by theway, who knows next week it might
be about speedboat racing. And JimCaviezel who played Jesus, by the way,
and he has a movie coming upagain. Well he started a movie
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Madison. Great guy, nice guy. But anyway, anytime anyone talks about
Madison again and they all know,oh my gosh, the most beautiful town
in the world. It is sogorgeous and it really is. It's Main
Street, USA, so you gottalove that. And you know when I
grew up around here, so Idid it whenever New York City again looks
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like Blade Runner And now actually LaTony said, it's June Gloom, And
I actually love June Gloom because it'skind of cloudy and it's not so sunny
and hot. So actually I wouldn'tmind it in La. Right now,
bad boy's gonna prefer Madison, Indiana. So Tommy, you are in Madison,
Wisconsin, and when you pull itup on the internet, completely dwarves
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Madison, Indiana. Madison, Indianayou have to put in Madison, Indiana,
because if you put in Madison,and it's all about Madison, Wisconsin.
So Tommy and tell us about that, tell us about your hometown and
why are you there by the way, huh. We had some families things
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come up, and my granddaughter graduatesfrom high school this weekend. Nice.
He came back for that. Madisonpops up because it's the state capital with
the second large a city in Wisconsin. That's where I worked at the Fireman
my hometown. But I haven't beenhere thirty years, and this town has
changed like unbelievable. Streets have changed, buildings have changed. My old hangouts
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are gone. They're like convenience storiesnow are just an empty lot. Um.
I was talking to my friend aboutstaying with We went to college together
and and we used to drive ourmotorcycles. Are on Madison doing all kinds
of stuff, and all the placeswe used to go through are gone.
It's like, wow, this isso weird. So so as you're there
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are back, are you kind ofsad about it? Like it's none like
it used to be, like thegood old days? Are you happy to
be back? Well? I likecoming back and visiting friends and that.
But it's it's not my home anymore, you know, even though I grew
up here and stuff and all myfriends. Everybody is you know, with
the Legion or in California and Norco. So it's it's kind of bitter suite,
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you know. I like coming backfor the Midwest stuff. Um.
I'm going to be back in Augustbecause I have my film is premarrying and
Green Base, so I'm going tobe back for that. But I come
here to see my family and dosome of the things I like to do.
They've got a great veteran museum.I go to that in Madison.
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Um. You know, I'm apart owner of the Packers like STEPHANIEZ.
So you have to all right,I've got to go up there, you
know. So so you get ourbrew crew in Milwaukee, the Brewers,
So oh yeah, I like todo a bunch of that stuff back here.
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Otherwise. The picture behind me isthe skyline and Madison across Lake Manona,
the state capital which is modeled afterthe Washington, DC Capital, and
then you have the Frank Lloyd RightConvention Center. Minona Terrace is over my
left shoulder. Um, it's absolutelygorgeous. And in fact in the water
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off of this. Famously, Uh, Otis Redding was coming to do his
his concert in Madison and his planecrash there and he died, so we
never got to do it. Ohno, really, Otis Redding ash in
Madison, Wisconsin, in the waterthere and right by the dog. Hey,
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and uh sitting by the dog atthe bay believe around and the dog
the ba Well, I mean,you know, it is what it is.
I mean, I think that kindof works for him, don't you.
It's sort of polytic and yeah,and it was always a great music
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spot. We had all these greatmusical groups came through here. I saw
Chicago when they were grash b God, aren't they great. Fuck They would
come up and play at this uhfunny of my dad's far it would come
up and play there. At thattime. They're called Chicago Transit Authority.
And that's before they had their firstbig yet. And of course once that
happened, they didn't play the Garageterthe bar circuit. But yeah, how
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long how long are you there,Tommy? I'm flying back next Tuesday.
I've got I've got some stuff that'sgoing on Wednesday, And so I got
to be back, so not thatlong one then enjoy enjoy everything. No,
we you know, August, I'mgonna be back for two weeks because
I'm doing the film film release We'regoing to I'm gonna go and do some
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stuff. Lydia wants to see moreof a consin. We're going to that
too. Hey Man, West isbest. I'm a big fan. Yeah,
oh thank god. Yes. Rightin the summertime, it's beautiful,
It's absolutely beautiful. And you know, I mean, and even known's Jude
Gloom in La right now, whichactually I like, I kind of forgot
about that. If it's July inAugust, I'm gonna kill myself. I
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don't want to be anywhere New Arlabecause the pollution. It's like New York
right now, it's disgusting. Youcan't even breathe. I don't want any
part of it. But right now, June Lum, I think, is
okay. So I'm kind of missit out. But I'd much either be
in Madison, Indiana, or inMadison, Wisconsin. Even now. According
to Stephanie, Madison, Wisconsin isvery liberal where Madison, Indianna. Ain't
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my dad used to really do theycall it that? Tommy really yes they
do, really, yeah, theydo. My dad used to call it.
My dad used to call it Moscowin Wisconsin. Oh gosh, no,
that's so bad. You gotta remembermy old my brother John got tear
gassed at Vietnam protests there. Myoldest brother went, got got his history,
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uh you know, master's degree there. My sister got her nurse's degree
there. See, don know Madison, Wisconsin while Stepening, I know,
what is it State Street? Well? Yes, really, Well I went
to many concerts in high school andgot went to many parties and I had
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a friend get propositioned by Don docin one night and I was like,
we have to go. Now we'releaving. Now, okay, we're going.
Um you know, it's it's it'svery interesting to be like eighteen years
old and not going to that schooland you're looking around, going this is
the weirdest place I've ever seen becauseit's bigger, and there are lots of
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people from different areas. I know, but look, we're all well traveled,
travel I believe so. I mean, but what makes Madison, Wisconsin
special? It's real, it isit is. There's a bunch of famous
actors team out of Madison yeah,well William Dafoe. No, but Fred
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McMurray, yep, really okay,I just that's a good one. That's
another great one. Yeah. MelBrooks no, welder, Welder, Oh
no, I want to love meltBrooks since his episode it's a mad,
bad and mad Madison episode. I'mtrying to think of the blonde who was
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played against Um Martin and uh,she provided a dozen Mary was the West
High school she graduated. Her nameis Bonnie something. Oh, Bonnie Bonnie.
That's right funny and yeah, shegraduated from from West. Fucking Tony's
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on it, man, He's justlike, shouldn't we say? It took
him three seconds? Well done?I'm loving Tony Man. Maybe you know
I wonder the older alarm at thisub n g O places. I mean,
I'm not the old is, butI'm one of the more productive.
I'm pretty sure I invite everybody tocome here. I'm all about inviting to
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the bar. So anyway, whowas who's the person? Do we figure
out? Bonnie Mary? Who thefuck? Who is it with? H
Oh? I love her? Yeah? Yeah, law we're also from Madison
and they had been together in highschool. Here yeah, West Nanda is
getting married and they're both actors andthey're both on the same TV series.
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But what is Madison, Wisconsin knownfor? Well, the the Big Ten
and the Wisconsin Badgers. Yeah whatelse? What? Yeah, I haven't
gotten Jennifer yet our resident adult andshe does have a connect to Madison,
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Wisconsin. You do, she does, Liza, Jennifer Mine's nerdy. Alpha
Kai Sigma is a professional chemistry fraternityand it's Alpha chapter that the very first
chapter is Madison, Wisconsin, andI went up there when I was going
to Purdue. We're being a newchapter and I went up there and went
skiing, and it's pretty cool sinceit's originated there. They have two big
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houses. Is a girl's house ina guy's house because it's a co ed
fraternity. So let me get thisis the chemistry professional chemistry fraternity, but
the national headquarters is here in Indianapolis. Now, okay, so you're an
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attorney and you belong to the chemistryfor chemistry. This is why Jennifer is
always the adult in the room withour show, because she she just is
like there, she just puts thoselike, you know, little chemistry things
together. We're like being foals andshe's like, yeah, putting it together.
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Anna. If you do that,you're gonna go to jail. If
you do that, you're gonna geta hit show. If you do that,
you're going to go nowhere. That'sour Jennifer. Well, that's cool,
awesome, Okay, So you havethat connect to Madison, Wisconsin.
So if you had to, likejust Jennifer, you know, in your
thought process because you're kind him inthe middle, you're in Indianapolis. So
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you have wis Madison, Wisconsin tothe north, Madison, Indiana to the
south. So how would you comparefrom the knowledge that you have. Well,
in general, I like to bea little bit warmer, so I
probably wanted to go to Madison,Indiana because it's pretty, its historical,
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and it'll be warmer. I don'treally want to go north of Chicago,
but a summer right this time.You're right, but I've been three months
out of the year. Madison,Wisconsin is nice, right, tell me
it's really nice right now? Yeah, yeah, about three months it's really
nice. And then the rest ofshit storms and snow and and tornadoes make
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up the rest of the time.Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
the fall is nice. Yeah,I mean you know, um,
Wis gods is great, great autumns. I mean you might wake up and
it might be below freezing and thenit will be about sixty five degrees and
it's just that is heaven right there. Um. Because it's always nice in
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Madison, Indiana, It's always nice. The Ohio Valley is just nice.
You know, it's just always goodand beautiful. Yeah, it's just always
nice. You know. My backyardis you Ohio rubber and Kentucky and it's
gorgeous and it looks like horse countryand I mean, you know, I
just love it here. I mean, it's idealic, it's lovely. But
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I do think that Madison, Wisconsinhas some things. I mean, but
people know about it and look that'spretty look at that, right, you
know. I And being a geeg, being a history geek, I always
have a special affinity for all thestate capitals because the state capitals is where
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all the government happens, and that'swhere all the action is. And the
state capitals are most all beautiful,and that one is and I've seen that
one. You know. I'm driventhrough there for whatever reason or been through
there. But wherever I go,I always try to look at the state
capital, and you know, becausethere's something special about that that's sort of
the heart of the state. Obviously, and Madison, Indiana, was going
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to be the state capitol. Theythought it wouldn't be the state capital,
but look, I mean it's atthe bottom of the state on the Ohio
River, so it needed to becentral and located. So it went to
Indianapolis, Indiana for a short time. Do you know what the first state
capitol was, Jennifer Gordon, Yeah, is it right? But the author
was going to be Madison because backin the river days, Madison was the
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place. It was the place.But you know that's why it is.
Back in the day, you guys. I mean, the river towns were
the richest, the best, themost cosmopolitan. And then when railroads came
in, that changed, and thenwhen highways came in, it really changed.
So you know, I'm talking backin the day. But I have
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a history degree and I love allof that old fashioned stuff. So anyway,
so it's fun and games. Butyou know, I think during a
time when our politics and everything isso crazy and ugly and just I don't
know, it's just I would loveto go back to the eighteen hundreds,
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even the seventeen hundreds. At thispoint it seems so I kind of like
the history and like the old cobblestonestreets and you know, and I love
that, and I think that's whyI live in Madison and get away from
what's going on of like where,you know, because I'm in like the
business, and I have to bein LA in New York or Nashville or
wherever the hell I'm going to go. And that's fine because our country is
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the best country in the world.But boy do I love coming home to
Main Street, USA, where it'sjust kind of stuck in time. I
think it's comfortable. Yeah it is. Yeah, I mean, so with
with everything going on, I mean, what do you want to think about
in New York in this crazy collutionand what's you know, what's up with
that? Sorryset do what we haveit here? You do? Yes,
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we have the small case and likethe last um few days for a few
days. Uh, it's bad.Okay. So all the way in Harrisburg,
I guess that makes sense because you'rereally not that far. You're not
that far and I've got actually,Jennifer, Indianapolis is not even that far
from Canada. It's really not.News had a map and it showed it
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come down through that part of Philadelphianow in South Low, the Washington DC
and Box who was even showing livefeed in Washington of the I think the
Washington Monument, which was just ahaze. Oh, it's terrible. Lea
Carmen or Carmen that's on the showquite a bit. She was in she
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was in Nashville, then she flewto Nashville. I'm sorry she flew to
from Nashville to Washington. She saidit's terrible there. And then she said
she's going to Syracuse to see herparents. And I'm like, oh my
gosh, you're going right into thestore. Ye yikes. I mean,
you know, I just think that'sscary. It's so weird too. Wow.
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Yeah, yeah, well I gottasay that I got I can smell
a smoke here in Carlisle. Um, I only go out, I mean,
I can't go out to walk orshould you No, No, nobody
should walk in that. No,it's it's just and you know we've got
the wind is just from the north. That's it. That's all this is
(35:10):
about. And it's about seventy twodegrees and there should be about in five
and that hey's es keeping the heataway. Oh yeah, you know,
and so you know the global warmingstuff. It's like, yeah, really
you think you know what have youheard that? That that the Canadian dude
(35:34):
is saying? What? What?What is? What does he think about
it all? He's very quiet.Yeah, I think he said, this
has nothing to do with global warming, your climate change. And it's like,
you thank Fidel Junior. You thinkyou know he's he's he's a dufus.
He's just like his dad. AndI'm not talking about Pierre talk about
(35:59):
the debt. M hmm. Okay. So here's the thing, and let's
lighting up a little bit because weare in the summer. I mean it's
coming. I mean we're in Juneand on the twenty first, it's the
official day of summer. So youknow, I feel like everyone not as
much mean because I'm so fair complexed. Summer for me is not as fun
(36:21):
as it is for most. Iprefer for the other seasons. And frankly,
summer is my least favorite season becauseI'm like, oh, hiding from
the sun. But I do wantthe fact that everybody else gets so excited
about Oh my god, summer andthey go swimming and vacationing and that's when
they do their thing or whatever.So what are you all doing for summer
or what are your summer plans?What are you thinking about? What is
(36:44):
the world doing right now for summer? Jeting? For you've got kids,
what are you gonna do with yourkids? Well, my daughter starts Driver's
head next Monday, learning how todry. That's the big, big thing.
And then that's a big damn deal. You know. When I took
drivers in, the teacher had tolike slam on the brakes because I was
(37:06):
going too fast. I remember thatI got in trouble. I passed,
but I got in trouble. Ijust remember, for drivers said that I
didn't. Even the first time Igot behind the wheel really was during Driver's
Aid. And all the boys inmy car had been driving tractors and their
parents cars, and they weren't reallysupposed to because we grew up in Avon,
which is more rural, so therewasn't anything for them to run into
(37:30):
or anything. So their dads tookthem out in their cars a lot before.
Even drivers said me, no,not at all. And I'm afraid
even though I tried to get mydaughter used to the car early on.
She's petrified out of driving, hasno desire to learn. You know.
I had to tell you that,you know, because I came from more
(37:52):
of a hillbilly family, so Imean, they taught me on a stick
ship. So when I drove,it was fucking not there. I mean,
I'm like speeding a lot, andthen teachers like you're going too fast.
I'm the god God, I meanand literally, because you know when
drivers said they have their own break, the teacher so he would like,
do the break. I think Ialmost flunk. I made it, but
barely so. Anyway, So Jennifer, I understand that. I think it
(38:15):
would be hard if you start driversand that's the first time you drove.
Oh my gosh, I had UncleWillie taking me out in a car in
the in the in in a stickshift, and then it's way harder to
drive than an automatic. Obviously,everybody totally totally nobody knows how to drive
(38:36):
a stick but tommy, nobody knowshow to drive a stick shift. Nobody,
And you know, the kids,they can't even write in cursive anymore.
God, I feel like such anold lady well knows people who can
drive stick shifts. They're not goingto their car stones. Why no,
what but tell me I'm missing that? Why because nobody knows how to drive
(38:59):
a stick right right, right rightexactly. They don't know how to drive
it. That's funny. You're right, though, you're absolutely right. The
last time, the last time Idrove a stick, the transmission was like
a mile away behind me coming out. And yeah, it's a totally different
(39:19):
thing, isn't it. Well,I'm a retired, but I tell you
I'm a retired driving a stick.Yea, I liked it back in the
day. That's been a while.Oh yeah, I got my stick about
ten years ago. I had aMustang g T five speed. That was
my first car. I had aMustang Invertible sixty six. I said I
(39:45):
gotta get an auto because I was. I was, you know, on
the freeway constantly, ships, constantlyship. I couldn't like, yeah,
you can't, yeah, you can'tdo you can't do that in LA.
You can't do that enough. Solet's talk about the things, like,
you know, how greater our countryis, even though we're bitching a little
(40:05):
bit, but you know, frankly, we've got the best country in the
world. How would you like tobe in Ukraine or Russia or fucking China?
I mean sucks there. I mean, look at New York. They've
got three or four days of thisterrible era. But China has it like
every day. Beijing. Hello,look at Beijing every day. It's disgusting.
So we have places, you know, you can choose to be in
(40:25):
the city like la and New Yorkwhere there's a lot of crime and homeless
people. Which is I hate it? I just do. I have to
tell you. I hate walking downthe street and warning and they're gonna knipe
me or chuck me or you know, rape me or whatever, which,
believe me, they would never getaway with. You know, I'm just
talking smack here, fucking nobody.Nobody's mentioning with me anywhere. I am
(40:46):
ready for it. I'm good.But at least I can come home to
Madison and I'm good. I don'thave to worry about anything. I don't
have to carry, and believe me, in those shittiest cities, I do
carry. And if they catch mewhere I'm going, you know where I'm
going, Yeah, jail, I'mgonna jail. I'm gonna jail. I'm
(41:07):
gonna jail, but you know what, I'd rather live and deal with that
than not, because they waved theknives around and they and they punch you
and they do whatever. In Madison, nobody's doing that. Everybody's like,
you know, my neighbors are sogreat. They all look out for me
and my building. I'm gonna bebeautiful building whatever, and they all like
(41:29):
sweep my sidewalk when I'm gone,and they watch and do it. I've
never had a damn thing. I'venever had one problem. And my guess
is in Madison, Wisconsin, theywould not either, and probably not Carlisle.
But I don't know Irvington. I'mwondering, Jennifer de feel safe in
Irvington. I like Irvington, butit's a little Yeah, Wisconsin is we're
(41:57):
close to Chicago and we're close tomore hockey, and we called it the
Iron Triangle Madison, Milwaukee, Chicagobecause the drugs and the gangs, prostitution
will go follow that circle. Wewould get a lot of the game stuff
to come up here from from Chicagoor Milwaukee and vice versa. So yeah,
there are certain parts of the citythat were are kind of dangerous.
(42:20):
So Tommy, how far where areyou from Chicago and Milwaukee. Milwaukee's about
sixty five miles I think from here, and Chicago is maybe eighty. Oh.
So that is a triangle. That'sdefinitely a trifecta there for sure.
Oh oh yeah, yeah, anduh so that's why we have a lot
(42:43):
of ris So what are the whatare the differences between the three cities,
because you know, I kind ofthink that people in other parts of the
country find I do anyway that findlike area rivalries or you know how that
works. I mean, so youknow, what what is what is the
struck? Sure, there we havethe rivalries, but we're so similar that
(43:04):
we consider ourselves all the same.And this part of the state Milwaukee,
Milwaukee, Madison, and Chicago.So what would you say the biggest difference
differences between those three cities are well, the biggest difference state line. Yeah.
But yeah, we we we havethe same sense to humor, we
(43:28):
have you know, we we mostof the rival reach of sports and stuff
are just fun. Yeah, AndI think that's a good part. Isn't
it a good part? I wouldthink that's a good one. Yeah,
it's it's a good part. AndI always enjoy my friends for both cities.
Yeah, and we have the sameaccess. And you get North up
(43:49):
by Lacrosse or Stephanie Strong or Northand that they sound like you're yeah,
you sound like you're what you soundlike you're what? Yep it Stephanie,
you don't have an access at all, sound like you're from the Midwest.
You're like, you're like Jennifer andme. In fact, I think I
mame and had a little tiny southern'swing. But Jennifer and you, in
my opinion, there's no accident atall. But Charmmy I can kind of
(44:13):
heart Wisconsin. It comes back.Yeah, yeah, of course, and
it's charming. It's charming. Ilove it when I go to when I
go home, I immediately get thesympathetic thing with my sisters because we live
all right Lacrosse. If Wisconsin's aglob yeah, like this is this is
Wisconsin green Base here, Lacrosse ishere, Mississippi rivers there, there's been
(44:38):
soda. So they all sound likethe Minnesota mom Okai Yeah are yeah you
know, yeah, yeah, butwhat is the covered dish that they bring
up there? Oh there's cast roleLike my favorite's got to be the tator
top casting. That's good. Thefuck is that? It's Jennifer? Have
(45:04):
you ever heard of the tainter talk? I've never heard of that either.
Okay, what is it? It'sfun? Is that it's like tater tots
on the bottom and then they putlike a creamy thing with like bamburger with
onions and garlic and god no,oh god no, yeah yeah, and
(45:27):
of course cheese. We haven't cheese, said damn it. I'm so man,
I didn't have lemon shellow today.But that's okay, Stephanie. Did
you used to have the potato chipsandwiches up? And we didn't do that?
Do that? I think my dadwould have said no to that.
So what is the other quisine?Okay? Since you know I am a
(45:49):
foodie, so anything food and drinkI love it. And of course always
the official drink is for vino vinoof the show. When we go with
the wine and cheese, Madison wasuns but your food sounds fucking horrible.
I mean even worse than Indiana.I mean, all right, did I've
got to do? JD has toexperience ludifest What lucierifest? Ludifest is a
(46:21):
normal is a cured God but theycure it and cured what and lie and
it's Norwegian. I don't know whatyou mean. It's a cured what in
lie? The chemical life? Ohgod, what the fuck? No,
I don't want entirely. My dad. Yeah, my dad would come in
(46:44):
during Christmas and my mom oppys tobe banking because Jennifer, you want to
go up with me and tryumph forme and be my tester, be my
you know, thank you. Noany wants to do that, you know.
My dad would say it smells likedirty sweat socks your no, no,
let's back up here now. I'myou know. The end of the
show is all about food drink becausethat's what I love anyway. So ludify
(47:08):
fast. Is that a fish?Yeah, it's cod. It's it's cod
cod. Yeah. And okay,okay, okay, loot up fest how
(47:28):
do you spell it? Lut ef I s k Okay. That's disgusting.
It's not it should not be evenThey do they serve that in restaurant
in Madison, Wisconsin. No,not, they don't. They don't.
They don't do it. And lacrosseeither. It's a traditional thing that if
(47:50):
you go to like churches around Christmasluther Where where? Who serve on shit
churches? Why are wetting in here? At the loots are in church?
Fucking Christmas food. I just wantto understand what's going on here. It's
it's you can understand, it's no, I'm not in this regard. No,
who would eat that shit? Idon't understand? All right, So
(48:15):
let's go. Let's they told youwhat you're going to live? Oh,
and I said, I will neverever do this stupid stuff again. There's
something worse. There's the worst thingfrom Sweden and it's basically rotten fish in
a pot. It's the worst Iever. I don't even want to know
(48:42):
more. I don't think what's what? You know? We always go down
this fucking sewer on our show whatat some point? Okay, but no,
I need to know what's it called. What's the sewer fish called?
It's a it's a it's a Ican't remember what it's called. But it's
Swedish and no Norwegians. And they'relooted this for ass. Swedes over this
(49:04):
stuff because they won't need it.And I'm like, all right, okay,
so let's go. Let's let's goto the food of like our choice.
Please, I'm begging you because Iuh so, anyway, we're we're
going in the summer, and weren'ttalking about the Midwest. So you know
what that means, Honey Kenney beso, oh my god. Okay,
(49:31):
that's that's from Wisconsin for sure.Brought worst. So do they serve brought
worst of the county fair? Therewere a yeah, yeah, ye.
And Indiana it's corn dogs. AndI swear to god, the corn dogs
are like a foot long. Theyare there. I hold him here and
it's is tall about my hat,right, Jennifer, yeahs everywhere here yep,
(50:00):
A broad stands. That's the wayit should be in Indiana. It's
all about the corner and the corndog. And I do love a good
corn dog. I gotta tie youwell, absolutely totally agree with you.
I mean I never have them,but boy do I like them. But
you know what, Jennifer, whatis the your favorite food at the Indiana
Because I think you luck. I'mjust gonna say, I think the Indiana
(50:20):
State Fair it's got to be thebest state fair in the country because it's
the state fair in Indiana's in themiddle of the country. It's not more
Americana than that, because not,Tommy. I love the fact that you
have brought worst here, but that'snot American, sorry, Jennifer, and
I love it. But the otherthing Chicago pizza because no, right,
(50:44):
but I'm talking county fair country foodnow is when I'm talking about I'm talking
country quizine. There's cream pops atthe Wisconsin State Fair. Nobody has fucking
Oh my god, that is so. But I don't have cream puffed at
the fucking State Ferret. Nobody.That is not. I mean, I
(51:05):
would love it, but really,Jennifer, to imagine cream puffs at the
Indiana State Ferret. No, notreally, not real. You have cream
puffs at your state ferret. Butcheese now, wow, of course that
(51:28):
fried cheese curds are good. Inever had at you guys, Oh my
god, my my had my that. I've had a terrible time with my
head piece. But it does looklike a cheesehead. I do look like
cheesehead, does it does? Myfavorite is sandwiches. Those aren't good,
(51:51):
So Jennifer, show show our friendshow big those are can be. Like
this, they're like that big three, the four that they're that big.
No, No, that's what theydo, Tommy, the buns this big
and the fucking turnal. Now it'srolled thin, but it's like that big
cut it up and to make itfit on the bun. It's a thing
(52:15):
that would be awesome and is good. Oh my god, I'm hungry now
and it's yummy. Oh. Theother thing we have is sweet carn fresh
butter r yes, yes, whichis with a little bit of solid No.
I like that, but Jennifer,I don't think it the stay fair
we get that fancy. I thinkit's pretty much corn on the cob,
(52:37):
corn on the cob. It's oneof the men. Yeah, I mean,
and it's good, but they don'tgo fancy with like extra like sweet.
They sweeten it up. Okay,So we have four minutes. So
I'm happy we're talking about food becausethat's always a glorious thing. So,
Jennifer, I have to tell youat the Indiana State Look, I love
the tenderloins. But those steak sandwichesare so good. Oh, those are
(53:02):
good. I like I like um. I like the tenderloines. It's one
of the things that I indulge invery rarely. But it's very Indiana.
It's very Indiana. State. Let'ssay a client that's a port producer.
So, no, that's not whatit looks like, right, Jennifer,
No, no, no, that'sput Indiana pork tenderloin in. It's like
(53:24):
that big. It's just like nowhereelse. It's just what it is.
It's it really is this big,and then you have to like fold it
up, cut it up or whateverkind of like they fold up the pizza,
you know, like whenever they dothat, but they don't in Chicago
because yeah, that's it, that'sit. But that's even a small one.
(53:46):
Yeah, that's even a small one. Usually too bigger than it's big
as that play. Yeah, thethree of us would have to share because
I couldn't eat that. Yeah,but it's it's I know, but that's
that's four. No, but it'sgood. I swear to you. It's
(54:12):
so good, isn't it. It'sso good? So I let that's Cannon
Cannon Fair. Cannon Fair. Soin Wisconsin, because we've got three minutes
now, are the cheese kurage thebig event at the county fair? Stay?
Yeah? Is that the biggest thing? So at the County Fair in
(54:36):
Madison, Wisconsin, it's cheese curdsand beer. I'm just guessing and corner
on the cop rod okay corner andcop All right, Stephanie, what about
Pennsylvania? Even though I know youknow all about Madison, Wisconsin? Is
there a different you know, Iprobably uh got it. We've I mean
(54:58):
trying to get to go with fair. I don't know. I mean honestly,
no, but traditional food because they'regonna, you know, they're gonna
serve the traditional food at the fairs. They would probably be like a pork
tenderling thing because yeah, we'll beamish and pies. What about pies?
What's the big amish pot? See, yeah, you're in here. There
(55:21):
should be pie central, shoe flypie, shoe fie. No, I
don't even know what that is.Do you know what that is? Jennifer?
I don't know what that is?What's shoe fly pie? It's got
like my asses in it and it'sgross and I I bought it one time
for a dessert, all right,Not for me. I don't like that
sweet shit, especially molasses. Notfor me, Jennifer, we got two
(55:45):
minutes leapt two minutes left. Yousaid that pork tenderloin your faaorite thing at
the fair. Anything else there,I'm thinking my hat, maybe lemon,
the lemon drinks. Yeah, women, the women shakeups are pretty good.
Those are pretty good. And Iwould have thought that Philliensylvania it would have
been cheese steaks sandwiches because they havethose in Indiana too. But yeah,
(56:08):
I would think cheese steaks sandwiches wouldbe big at the Pennsylvania Affair. It
is. And yet if you gosomewhere outside of Philadelphia and eat one,
and then you go to South Philadelphiaand have one from there, the differences
are that much. Yea, thatwas my question. Is it different because
(56:30):
I have to say most of thePhilly cheese steaks I don't like. I
think they're lame. But my guessis in Philly they're good. There are
two places they're there, Uh touristy. If you go to an offbeat place,
you'll get a better place. I'llget a better one. Yeah,
it's different. Yeah, they onlyhave the unique styles. Yeah right,
(56:52):
yeah right. Well in Indiana,I love corn dogs, I love the
park tender loins, I love thesteaks sandwiches, but I just love the
Indiana food in general. I thinkit's great. Nobody said elephant ears.
Those are good too, but Idon't like I don't like sweet stuff,
but everybody does at the fairs.Tommy, let's do the picture because right
(57:15):
and now I'm hungry. Now I'mhungry. Guys, you made me very,
very hungry already. Mm hmm yeah, got it. Take a bunch,
don't be like Michael and take onedumb ass picture. Now. Tommy
does a good job. I knowyou did. I know you did,
so, Tommy, fun in Madisonwas consin ye. I have a great
(57:38):
time going to college. They have. Tony Evers is a great my granddaughter. Uh huh
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