VanVleet ACL Tear, New Warriors Contracts & the Same Old Sixers

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the Drive and Dish podcast, the.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to you.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
To start it off, it's just let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, we have officially started the next season of the
NBA season, which is wild to think about because there's
just a lot going on. October is a great time
for sports. I'll just put that out there. But also
with that, the the official Drive and Dish NBA team
is back together, Kevin and myself finally back together.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Kevin back form. Where'd you go Croatia or something?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
No, Italy, Italy the same spot. I'm just saxed you
with the like less known country. First, I was like,
I do genuinely want to go to Croatia.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I feel like like right next to each other pretty
much for sure.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, I like Slovenia is in between, but if you like,
you could go from boat from coast to coast and
it's not really that far away and they grant Steven things.
But yeah, we appreciate you guys were really holding it
down this summer. This is without a doubt, like peeling
back the behind the scenes, like it's just been a
wild summer for both of us, like me with doing
bar exam prep and now with a time off going

(01:11):
to Italy for two and a half weeks, which again
I just an insane sentence. I'm very grateful for that.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Have you gotten results? Are you a lawyer?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
No? I have. That's what's crazy still is I have
no idea, Like I have no idea whether there's it's
still some states are starting to come out. We're like
cautiously optimistic for a week. I mean, and by cautiously optimistic,
I'm like, you know, internally raging on the inside right now,
just like all anxious about this, like full disclosure if
we're really peeling back the layers. But no, we'll see,

(01:40):
And I mean, like, yeah, obviously, you know summertime, Justin's
been going on vacations and you know, raising a child
and working a job that has him doing all nine
zillion things. So yeah, there's just like we appreciate y'all
Barron with us. I think now that we're back kind
of like in real life, like I'm working a regular
job again, and you know, you are continuing to do

(02:01):
your thing, like expect us to be more on track
here now that the season is actually getting underway and
we're not over.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well legit like basketball to talk about, if that makes sense,
I know the rest has been more like rumors and
and just happenings with teams and.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Just because we've crushed the summer cut time content two
in the past, Like I'm not gonna lie. I feel
like summertime is where we have weirdly shined at points
because we've just had I feel like we've done a
good job at filling up the summer like and don't
get me wrong, like I don't know, we're just offer
a lot. It was just a little inconsistent this summer.
I'm just don't want to be thinking that there's like
no weird things go on on the seats. We've just

(02:39):
been very busy. Like trust me, I wish we were
dropping weekly this summer. It's just the you know, the
timelines don't match up. Sometimes they match up a little better.
Now we're here, obviously we're gonna you know, the guest
host will continue our come shout out to our guye
Chase Bunker. Last week, I did appreciate, uh, the I
thought the intro was hilarious with with you jumping on
about the laugh that made me laugh yourself. Appreciate eating intro,

(03:00):
But no, it was fun listening justin texted me that
about that episode and was just like, get ready to
get mad, and I was so the opposite of mad
the whole time. Like, I genuinely loved it. I thought
the heat discussion was great. I now know that Kobe
Bryant led the league in heaves at the end of quarters,
like that is, yeah, it was that was that was like,
it was genuinely a good list. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I was just more or less surprised that that Chase
and I talked about the heave thing for as long
as we did. I thought it was going to be
like a passing comment makes sense because.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It kept going, but it worked, like well, it was
a lot.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I mean, there's there is a lot of weird like
sort of kind of potential fallout with it, and so
it's like, what's what's the point?

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Is there a point? I don't know?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Here we are like it's like Croatia and Italy, it's
the same thing.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
She used to be a part of the entirely different regions.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
In I know. It's like I joke, you.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Know, that's one of my that's one of my theories
or not theories, or maybe I guess hot takes instead
of theories. I say all the time that if Yugoslavia
was still a country, they would genuinely challenge the United
States for the gold medal every single year, like their
lineup is nice.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, no, I agree with you, and I haven't been
out that way.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
The furthest I've gone is, I guess technically Paris, like
I've done London. I've done Paris, but I haven't gotten
further than Paris out there. Obviously, the the Florida of
that side Italy, I definitely want to go to it.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Just because it comes out. It's like a peninsula type thing.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I don't know if that's a compliment or that's so it's.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
More or less it just looks like Florida, you know
what I mean, Like it's its own little like, uh, it's.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
A good way to clean it up, but that's a
good job there. Everybody in Italy is about them the
heck out of us. But no, I mean, it's definitely great,
Like I from from a travel standpoint, I highly recommend it,
Like I mean, we did Tuscany, we did Florence, we
did Rome, we did Sorrento like which we're all rap
I mean, and that was part of what was great.
Is the all rapidly different, radically different, depending on what
you want, Like Sorrento's your classic, like lay on the

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terranean Sea and the Mediterranean and just vibe out at
the beach.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
That's probably more me. Yeah, that's probably more wor.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, that's you're you're a Florida guy. You're a beach guy,
like you always, you know, I feel like you might
as well just like buy a condo in Saint Augustine Beach.
You're there so.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Much technically, Like well, technically we have one. I'm not
trying to be like I got a condo out on
the beach, but we do have one that we use
pretty much like every other week.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
So it is it is pretty nice.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I mean, I mean you could that's the thing
with live in Jacksonville, Like you could live in Saint
Augustine Beach and like it is annoyingly far at that point,
but it's not an unbearable I mean we're talking about
if there's no traffic, it's like a forty minute commute.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
No, but it's nice to have a place where you
could just like go down there after work on a
Friday and you're just there, you know, like you don't
have to come back every night or whatnot. And parking
is always a situation down here, so like having a
place that you know, is like a legit parking spot
that could still get you close to everything and uh
in our case, a pool, a beach, you know, restaurants,

(06:09):
all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
It's just right there. So it's like, yeah, let's just
be good.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
And that's why I've said like what I've whenever I've
defended Jacksonville in the past, because I feel like you,
you know, you and I have talked about this, like
and obviously you've lived in the Jacksonville area now for
like way longer than me. I mean, shoot, I was
there for three and a half years. You're going on
like you're what fourteen fifteen at this point.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Almost Uh yeah, I guess what two thousand and nine
when I moved down here, But I was in Saint
Augustine until probably fourteen maybe fifteen, So.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, you got to be close to the.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Greater area for sure.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
People always, like, you know, people tumble in Jacksonville. I
feel like Jacksonville's national rep is not great, and there
are certain things where they're one hundred percent right cough
clough downtown. But like you are never gonna like tell
me that Jacksonville is one of these like worst places
in America, like you'll have I'll see people say that
on Reddit, and I'm just like, it has a beach,
Like You're not gonna sit here and lie to me

(06:58):
and tell me that Jacksonville is not great. Just off
the beach and off the.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Way, I will say, Man, downtown, they're working on it.
Like they are working on it.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
It is, I know, bus down.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's it's firmly in the I gotta believe it when
I see it, because I've been hearing that for you
talking about now there, I've been hearing it for that long.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I'm telling you right now. The amount of the amount
of restaurants, the amount of bars and clubs that are
like kind of starting to open up down there. They
I believe they have the same theory as I do.
Is like if you can get in there now and
like sort of get a reputation now, by the time
give it four years from now, five years from now,

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you'll be in like you are in you are, you know,
if you could open up a breakfast spot down there
in in the area where the new stadium is gonna
be and all that you open up a breakfast spot
right now and you can get through the next five
years of it being like maybe good, you'll be set
because you'll be like the local breakfast spot that's been

(07:59):
there before it starts, you know what I mean. Like
that's that's like a dream. That would be it like
open something down there now, be able to get through.
And then once Sha Khan gets this whole thing changed
up and looking the way he wants it to, Like, dude,
that's gonna be the move because it's so barren right
now that that just having something automatically puts you in

(08:19):
like the intrigued intriguing level. So I think it's gonna
be good. But to that, uh, the big the big
hype down here was the fact that the Jags added
like sixty six of the new stairs that will be
a part of the new stadium. So people were like
running up and down them and taking pictures. So like,
we're excited about stairs over here right now.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Hey, you know, listen, man, you need something to do.
And if the stairs are gets people down there, dude,
I'm not gonna complain about it.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I'm telling you like like the Jags mascot was out
there taking pictures with people on these stairs, like that's
that's where we're at with with the downtown trying to
get excitement.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Out, which I feel like is quietly saying everything thing
there there are always shout the Champlain's Book Mine. That
is genuinely an unbelievable place downtown, like one of the
coolest used bookstores I've ever been. I could get lost
in those stacks for two hours and not like man,
just great place. Glad that's kid going. I don't know
if you've been here either, And this isn't technically downtown downtown,

(09:18):
but before I left, there was a breakfast restaurant there,
a brunch restaurant I went to called the District and
it's in Springfield kind of and.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's like Springfield, Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Very random area for sure. Ye, well, definitely like but
it was good. It was well, I forget what I
got to eat, but it was definitely very good.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Springfield started to do this thing called porch Fest where
those houses that are all like really old and historic essentially, yeah,
they're there.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
They do a thing.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's called Porchfest. It'll be in November. It's actually the
beginning of November, so like a month from now. And
what they do is they bring out like fifty local
bands right and through the street of Springfield, like they
pick a path, They just pick the houses. These are
just owned by like could be owned by you and me. Essentially,

(10:06):
they just come to you and be like, hey, on
this day, we're shutting down the street and this band
is going to play on your historic porch. And they
do like two hour increments and they just play all
the way. They just keep going down the street essentially
until they get to that main park where they do
a big, grand, like bigger artist type situation, almost festival
level performance, and it is so much fun. It got

(10:30):
like thirty three thousand people out there last year and great,
but as you know, the parking situation's pretty rough, so.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
That was a dumpster fire.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
But it is It is an awesome time people just
drinking on the streets. You get to see these old houses,
You learn about the history of Springfield a little bit,
and all the money that they raise off of it
goes back into preserving and helping like replenish that area because,
as you know, until not that long ago, Springfield was
not a place you wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Really no, I mean that's the I mean, that's the
other reality. Is it's like you have the areas along
the coast, like you know, you think about Riverside and
Avondale that have always been more affluent, but like the
downtown core hasn't always been the most wealthy area. Now
I think that's again is starting to change, and I
think in Springfield you're starting to see that a little
bit as well. But yeah, I want to see like

(11:20):
whenever money goes into that area and you start to
rebuild it, Like that's always my thing too, is it's
like do keep the character of the neighborhood, like especially
there when you talk about the city, like that's the
oldest part of the city, Like there aren't many things
in Florida that are old. I say that though with
Saint Augustine's like the place in America, but like as
a large part. I mean you go look, go look
at a map of Florida in like nineteen hundred and

(11:41):
you just laugh. There's nothing there where Jacksonville like kind
of is the exception of that because they were north enough.
So yeah, you got to keep that stuff afloat, like
you got you got to keep the culture. That's one
That's one thing that Saint Augustine has done really well
is they have their identity and they leaned into it and.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
I and I think they will and I think a
lot of the sporting teams of the area kind of
gotten into obviously with the Jumbo Shrimp turning themselves into
the honey Drippers for a little bit there, like that's
an homage to history and stuff like that. But he
kind of talked about Saint Augustine the oldest and obviously
it's the start of October, which is spooky season and
all that stuff, So we figured to be really fitting

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to talk about things that are essentially spooky for NBA teams,
and that's injuries. So obviously we will talk a lot
of injuries, and of course with that comes some seventy
six ers talk because they are always surrounded by injuries,
so we'll get into that. But essentially for warm up,
the injury we wanted to talk about as a team
that we legitimately think still might but this probably changes

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some things be in the running next year is the Rockets.
Fred van Vliet goes down with a torn acl and
his right leg it was during an offseason workout in
the Bahamas. Obviously, that pretty much leads to probably missing
the entire season. Is expected to get undergo surgery. I

(13:03):
did just resign him for two years fifty mil. Like,
you know, it sucks. What do you think this does
for the Rockets going forward? Do you still think they're
in the running? Obviously Kevin duranbi and there changes the
potential fallout of this a little bit, as you at
least have one of the best NBA players in the
league to fall back on. But you know, Van Vliet

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was going to be a big part of this run
if they were going to make it run.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, they're The problem now is they're just lacking a
point guard largely, and with their situation, I mean, they're hardcapped,
like there's no one else out there that they can
really go and get. So I think that that you
got to look internally, and I mean the immediate thoughts
are that, hey, you put Amen Thompson in that role,
maybe read Shepherd steps up and gives you minutes and
like that would be an ideal situation. Like obviously Shepard

(13:52):
the number three pick in the draft last year. Like
Amen Thompson, somebody who is a huge breakout candidate, like
one of the more exciting young players in the league.
Like he's going to be a big part of any
success they're going to have anyway. But yeah, I mean,
like I'm not don't get me wrong, Like I'm not
going to jump off the Houston cliff because of this.
Like I still think they're a very formidable basketball team
who are going to be one of the better teams
in the West. But when you just kind of look

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at the you know that that top of the conference
arms race that's been going on with how OKC has
been able to just you know, stay there and run
back most of their championship roster. Like we talk about
the moves that Denver's made this offseason, like this was
always going to be a tough road to the finals
no matter what. And yeah, when you lose someone like
Van Vliet who has championship experience as well, Like I

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mean they brought him into kind of be the vet
on that team originally pre k d trade, and you know,
maybe they'll have to shake things up at the season
if they can't figure out their point guard situation, Like
who knows what will happened there. They still have plenty
of young players that are intriguing, Like I think they
you know, they have the ability to tinker. But you know,
this looked like one of the deeper rosters in the NBA,

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and who knows, Like maybe there's a chance because of
when the injury happened, with it being a couple of
weeks ago now and in the off season before we
get really get going, Like maybe there's an outside chance
that if you go far enough that you get him
back for like the conference finals or the finals themselves.
Even then it's like, so you're gonna sit back in
a game play in the NBA Finals, Like it's not impossible,

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but like that's with easier said than done.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
With zero at least in this season playing experience with
Kevin Durant and set gunin so like it would be
a very like, dude, you could totally destroy the chemistry
what that was built throughout this whole season if you
just try to throw them back in, and that could
end up resulting in them not winning at all in
that scenario.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
But I agree with you. I think you go with the.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Younger guys almost like a backcourt by committee sort of approach.
I know that's a big NFL thing running back by
committee a type of situation, but maybe that's what you
run here. And then obviously Kadie and Segudin can like
kind of take some of the playmaking responsibilities as well,
So maybe you start looking into some smaller ball lineup

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type situations and seeing what you can do with that. Obviously,
it was worth mentioning that the models are predicting several
wins off for the Houston Rockets now with m vleet
going down, they still have them under like contender label,
and I agree. I think once you have Kevin Durant
that you just that's what it is. But it does

(16:22):
take a little bit of a hit with with you know,
was going to be one of your main veteran guys
in this case point guards running that offense.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Hoops Hype had a proposed trade, like not to look
too far ahead, but they had a proposed trade with
the Bulls where they go and get Kobe White. Kobe,
that's such a great get for them. And Kobe White's
one right, Like he's one of those guys who probably
gets super slept on because he's been playing largely he
is with shooting basketball in Chicago the past few years.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
He was a player that I'm always like, he's a
player that any team we ever talk about him like
they should go get this guy.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Hes mecause of that category of players, like the way
that Derek White was when he was in San Antonio,
where it's like, Yo, if you're watching, this guy's really good.
He's just Nowady's paying attention because he's kind of playing
for teams that are just like not really doing too much.
It's like, man, if you put him into a bigger
role on a team that's going for something, I feel
like he's going to really show out.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
I agree with you on that.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
I just wonder, you know if I mean, he is
one of the bulls, you know, bright spots. So it's
like do they would they and be even interested in
entertaining that? I don't know, So yeah, that would be
another whole level of part of that you know conversation.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
So who knows what they're doing? And that's really what
the theme of the Bulls has been for the past, like,
you know, almost decade post Derek Rose. At this point,
it's like, what are they doing at this point? Either way?
We shall see that is kind of an intriguing one
right away but yeah, I mean, no doubt about it,
a huge loss of the Rockets. With Van Vliet, it's
extremely It's just unfortunate with his age too, like you know,

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those these injuries starts is you know, guys at their thirties,
you start to look at them a little more and
you just also hope that it doesn't affect the longer
portion of their career. Hopefully. We always want to see
our guys age gracefully as they finish their way out
of the league here. But yeah, I'm kind of with
you though overall. You know, Houston was I think two

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to me. I think in my mind, like you got
to give okay, see that respect, Like I'm just not
about to knock the champions off like not when they
get everybody back to for the most part, and I
know they're going to have some moves to make of
their own, but yeah, they might slide a little bit.
Like the West is unforgiving. I mean, there's just no
way around it. And the Rockets at the minimum are
going to have to survive two months, Like they can't

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make any meaningful trades until December fifteenth anyway, and so yeah,
it's gonna have to be internal. But Hey, if somebody
steps up, like I said, Reed Shepherd, developing here would
be the best case scenario for this team, Like that
would give them almost an embarrassment of riches at that point.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
But yeah, you have a lot to work with at
that point, which is good.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
So yeah, and still, you know, pretty intriguing. No matter what,
I'm not gonna, like I said, gonna completely lose faith
in this team just yet. Hopefully we're still pretty intriguing
here on the Drive and Dish NBA podcast. Welcome everybody.
My name is Kevin Rayfeus, joining me as always my
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Speaker 3 (19:14):
In Game five of the twenty nineteen first round series
between Oklahoma City Thunder and the Trailblazer, Russell Westbrook missed
more shots twenty than the rest of his team combined,
who only missed nineteen. He went eleven for thirty one,
and the rest of the Thunder went thirty six or
fifty five.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, I mean, was that the I'm trying to remember
if that was it. I feel like Paul George was
on the team that year. Was that his last year
with nineteen of the clip because I think it was
the last of his years of the Clippers or before
he went to the Clippers, I should say.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
The roster was, and I can tell you Stephen Adams's
Dort Gallinari s wait wait wait wait wait wit yeah sga.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
No no, no, no. This is pooling the wrong year.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
And Westbrook in here this point in the year after
this has Chris Paul. This is a pool in the
year after hold one twenty probably twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's what's it doesn't playoffs. Yeah, it's looking at the
wrong thing. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, Westbrook's on this team,
so its Westbrook. Uh I had Norlans Noel's on the team, Dennis.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Shrudder classic the uh.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Danala, Raymond Felton still on the team, Steven Adams, Markkeith Morris,
I don't see. Oh yeah, Paul George there.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Is okay, yeah, the end of that that weirdly makes
said the end of that last Paul George season was
a mess. And I mean obviously like that was Dame
waving of goodbye as well, so that's kind of an icon.
I think. Okay, see probably wants to forget about that series.
And it's funny too. Because you know, I remember the
post like when Katie left. Obviously it was the Russ

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is gonna have to be human torch here every night,
but like that window almost felt extended. Then when they
went out and got Paul George, Like I remember really
being intrigued about that and being like, man, they got
Paul George to go to Okay See, Like that's such
a good get for them.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
And right after the injury, right, like that was pretty
close to Paul George's injury, right yeahs.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
At that point, because yeah, he had he had won
more health or at least one or two more healthy
years with the Pacers and then he went down to
Oka see. But like, yeah, I mean that that's a combo,
which I mean, I guess unfortunately has been the theme
here for the past few years for Paul George. But
it's just like, man, that's a combo I really thought
was gonna work better. But you're right, I mean, and
it felt and shoot, give Okay See a lot of

(21:43):
credit for realizing after that series, like, I mean, you
want to talk about a foundational change, like look at there.
You could probably directly trace your title that they won
last year back to that series where it's like, hey,
this isn't working. We really got to shake it up
and start to have those discussions. Is where you know,
obviously we know the rest is history. At this point,
Paul George goes to the Clippers, SGA comes in. You

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get all those boatload of picks that have worked out
and still continue to give them a lot of flexibility.
So yeah, I mean, hey, and it's the benefit of
taking big swings. Sometimes you gotta give okay see a
lot of credit. But yeah, I mean, that's that's kind
of a good one to bring up because you're right,
like there's a lot that can be traced back to
that series and that not working because Paul George right
in my opinion in OKC, Like, I still am surprised that.

(22:27):
I just thought they would have contended a little more.
I don't think anybody was beating those Warriors teams, don't
get me wrong, but like I did think that was
a pairing that was going to work pretty well.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, no, I agree. I remember being excited about it
as well.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
They had a listen when when Paul George signed, it
was like there's only some random things like that. They
were at a club that night and it was RUSS
and it was PG and it was NAS and it
was just like all right, oh just gave a random
concert on or Russ is going crazy, like super excited
because obviously, you know, post KD getting somebody to come
into OKAC like that was you know, not that slash Elace.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, that was the Kadi replacement at the time.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, so what a world. And then, like I said, okaysee,
fans plenty to be happy about right now, We're not
going to talk a ton about them on this episode.
We do have after the break, we got some Warriors
and some Sixers to talk about, you know, some re signings,
a pair of restricted free agents Warriors brought out Horford
in as well. The Sixers are already dealing with injury problems,

(23:25):
so we can you know, get a little nihilistic with
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Speaker 3 (24:00):
So I was going to uh look up the most
popular songs that that talk about pain or allude to
pain in the title.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Which time do you have?

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Well, I know, uh with pain in the title, Well.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I mean you've got a house of pain itself if
you want to talk about jumping around.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
The first the first song that came to me was
Three Day Grace song called pain literally just called pain,
Like that's a song, Uh, the top ones.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
This is just Google AI kind of just pulling some
lists for us. King of Pain by the Police, Pain
by Three Days Grace, Otis Redding has a song called
Pain in My Heart. We've got Marilyn Manson, Speed of Pain,
Rob Based Joy and Pain. So, uh, for whatever you need,

(24:58):
just pretend any this is playing in the background for
the next I don't know, ten to fifteen minutes because yeah,
let's talk about injuries. You know, McCain goes down. Jared
McCain goes goes down in another off season workout. This time,
it's an injury to the thumb, right thumb.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Can I miss way? First off, I was just thinking
the worst thing we'd have to talk about with Jared
McCain would be how the Sixers did him dirty and
the jersey release. So the best thing the Sixers did,
and maybe they were giving us the warm up for this,
was was releasing the black AI jerseys that are finally
out and they're gonna wear them this season. So that's
great news. Everybody's been clamoring for that for a while.
And then because then they decided to just let all happen.

(25:38):
But they had our guy Jared McCain there, and he
was on the bench press. Yeah, they put two and
a half pound plates on it, like you can't even
put twenty five's on it for him, so it looks
like a little bit great. I don't think Jared McCain
is benching like fifty pounds or whatever that is. But like,
and honestly, in basketball didn't really matter. I mean, people
used to make fun of Kevin Durant's bench press all

(25:58):
the time. My man's one of the great scores in
NBA history, but like.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, but also.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Photoshop of forty five on there.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, remember he did KD did the whole like, was
able to bench one eighty out of out of college
and then by like the next year he was benched
three hundred like remember that that like that like insane
strength whatever he did. So I agree with you they
did him dirty on that, and I was kind of like, yeah,
how did that get past the whole graphics team, Like

(26:29):
nobody was like, hey, hold on, this looks a little
a little wonky. But yeah, So so he's hurt, he's out,
gonna gonna miss the start of the season.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
At least.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
They say a normal recovery time for a tear like
this is four to six weeks, so it's kind of
unclear which you then, uh pair that with obviously the
meniscus tear he had in his lee and his knee
during his rookie season, the second significant injury to his career.
He's pretty young, so I'm not saying start raising the flags,

(27:01):
but but definitely something to keep in mind. He should
be back, though, and I think the Sixers still expect
a lot from him, uh coming into this season when
he does get there. Obviously being reevaluated in four to
six weeks now on top of that we're already off
to a rough start. With Joel Embiid, it looked like

(27:25):
he was good to go, but then next thing, you
know is status kind of remains unknown, which will just
kind of be a cloud that hangs over the Sixers head.
You pair that with Paul George is already being out,
now McCain being out, it's like rins and repeat from
last year. The only positive thing that's come out of
any of this is Quentin Grime's resigned no.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
And it's crazy because even that like, well, like I'll
talk about that in a second, but it's like right,
like you could I'm not saying you could talk yourself
into positive vibes around the Sixers, but like it felt
like the temperature was better because it's like, hey, you're
getting McCain back, You're genuinely excited about bj Edgecombe, who
looks to be a pretty good prospect and I think
will be a good player for the Sixers. Tyrese Maxie
seems like he's in a good headspace, like he's talking

(28:06):
about taking on more of a leadership role. But you're right,
like the MB thing is just that it's a constant
cloud that hangs over this team because you don't know
his status. You're right, Paul George as well already out
here being like he said, it can't get much worse
than last year. Paul, buddy, you have to watch the
Sixers long enough to know, yeah, it could always get
worse than last year. But right like he's talking about

(28:28):
how he's gonna take a longer ramp up than usual.
Like again, these contracts are still pretty untradeable at this point,
so it's like any just any remote bit of positivity
you had. You're right, he's already been crying. But the
McCain one feels cruel because it's like, hey, this is
like one of the like him, Maxi and edgecomb at
least it's like they feel like pretty like Sixers proof
right now, like at least you would get to enjoy

(28:50):
their development and realistically, like these are long term pieces
hopefully for this team, and now you just have this
ucl terror where he's going to be out for four
to six weeks. It happens in a random offseason workout,
of course, it does. Like you know, the Joe the
joke now on Sixers Twitter is that you know, maybe
McCain just sacrificed himself. Again to protect Edgecomb from his
you know, classic season ending injury that's always around the

(29:12):
corner for whatever six Ers rookie. So no, it's it's
constant annoyance. It's constant just pain essentially, like the window
the windows closed on this team for me, Like that's
kind of the thing is like it's hard for me
to be like really let down about the opportunity to
go compete for a championship because they haven't shown to
me they're remotely serious about that in the past few years,

(29:33):
especially after last year, Like I just don't know how
you could watch how Embi looked when he played, and
how limited and ineffective Paul George was even when he played,
and go, yeah, that team is ready to compete for
a championship, like you're your only argument that you might
have is at the Eastern Conference largely is pretty weak
this year. But even then, like even if somehow they
miraculously came out of the Eastern Conference, there's no planet.

(29:55):
They're beating whoever's in the Western Conference Like that feels
like it's going to be a better team. So you're
kind of you're just in this weird like murky in
between that you can't really move on from yet, and
so you're just you know, it's it's just like, can
we at least be healthy for it. If we're gonna stink,
We're gonna stink. But I couldn't. I guess, like I'm
just so tired of talking about injuries with this team.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Well I guess that's my point. If we're not injured,
I feel like we are a decent team. And I
will double down on what I said last time is
if we are last episode, and this is why I
thought you were gonna get mad at me. If the
Sixers are healthy, fully healthy, they will have a better
record than the Orlando Magic. But that is if they
are healthy, and I really don't think they will be

(30:37):
considering we're already going into the season very.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Much not healthy.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Uh, you have a really good deep on paper guard rotation,
but again, injuries are really changing some of that. And
what I feel like happened last time with MAXI was
we were so dependent on him early in the season.
That's why he ended up getting injured last year, and
so like we might rinse and repeat that again. I
do wonder if if I don't think we're there, but

(31:07):
like I do think some nick nurse questions start to
come up potentially if we have another real bad season.
But everybody on the internet, you know, blog wise are
saying like the Sixers are a bounce back team, and
I'm like, let's hold on on calling them that because
it is fully contingent on their health. Their projected wind
total should be significantly different if they are not healthy.

(31:30):
I mean, we saw it last year with Embiid going down.
If Embad's healthy and playing peak level, Yeah, with how
not great the East is, we should be right there
in there and should have a better record than the
Pistons and the Orlando Magic because we have the experience
on the team. But I really don't think we're going
to be there. I think this season is going to

(31:52):
be more of a let the young players learn and
get accommodated with each other essentially, and prove and reduce
your dependence on Joel Embiid because if it don't work
this year, like, yeah, we probably got to move on.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Well, I mean you just if you can, Like that's
the problem with the contract is like, yeah, move on,
I think is easier said than done at this point,
especially if he goes through another injured season. I mean,
but even like they don't win around the margins either,
and that's the little thing. And honestly, like that's what
this Quentin Grimes signing comes down to for me. So
we talked about the end of last season. Quentin Grimes
was one of the few bright spots, Like he truly

(32:29):
was phenomenal after he came over from Dallas. It was
a really good move for them. The restricted free agency
was odd this year. We talked about that, and it
just feels like, I mean, it just feels bad for
everybody because I'm hearing two separate things, like Quentin Grimes
comes out here and he just only gets this eight
point seven or eight point seven million qualifying offer. He's
gonna play one more year here and then he's gonna

(32:50):
be a restricted free or he's gonna be a full
free agent. And I mean he was, but this is
for a guy who was trying to get a longer
term deal for twenty to thirty million a season like
that was what his agent was trying to get. And
you know, more than anything too, I think with stability,
like Quentin Grimes has been on five teams in five years,
and I don't think that's because he's a bad player.
Like quite the opposite. I thought Quentin Grimes showed he

(33:11):
deserved a contract after the way he played last year,
Like he's still young. There's a lot of upside there.
I'm from an ex's and o's perspective. I'm happy he's
back on this roster. Why I'm frustrated is because they
basically like they only ended up doing this one year deal.
One of the big reasons that they said they couldn't
bring Yabuselli back, another major bright spot for them last year,
like probably again one of probably only three bright spots

(33:33):
in the entire season, was that they couldn't afford to
pay him, And that's why he went up to New
York where he's gonna go and contend Like that, If
you're only paying Quentin Grimes eight point seven million dollars,
why are you telling me you can't afford yab with selling.
Absolutely can affoord yob with selling. So it's just one
of these things where it's like you're not winning around
the margins either. If you're serious about pushing the team
in and contending, you need to win around those margins,

(33:54):
and they just don't right now. And I'm okay, with
them going younger in certain regards, Like you know, I
like Edwards. I think Adam Bona showed enough after last
year to be excited about him a little bit. But
it's just like that's the type of move that just like,
why did this saga play out like this? I know
it was a weird market, but it's like you just
there's no one that came out of this Quinn Grimes

(34:15):
thing a winner. It just feels.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Frustrating, and that's fair. I kind of agree with you
on that. I think to what you said though, you know,
with the Knicks move and going and contending, is I
feel like that'll kind of and we'll talk about it
a little bit. Is that'll kind of lead us into
the Al Horford talk a little bit. I think that

(34:37):
is a sign of the Celtics being realistic as to
where they think they'll be, you know, next year, or
Al Horford saying where he thinks they'll be next year.
But back to the Sixers, let me know what you
think about this best case scenario for Sixers fifty win
season and beat healthy Paul George, healthy Maxie rise to

(35:00):
like all star guard level again, and rookies are an
immediate impact and we get a fifty plus win season,
maybe top three in the East. That's best case scenario.
Worst case scenario, we're at the bottom, everyone's injured, and
the log jam of all the guards creates a time

(35:21):
issue where people can't necessarily get in rotations. That that
worst case to me is you still depending on embiid.
You weren't able to get any of the guard log
jam minutes figured out. To let the young guys go
and still have MAXI out there and let that be
potentially our future.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, I mean I agree with probably both of those.
Like the worst case scenario for me, record wise is
that they're just kind of in the middle, like they're
in that play in position.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, I would preferred to be out of it. If
if it's gonna be bad, like, let it be freaking
real bad, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
There's just no benefit. They don't their pick next year,
so it's like there's no like last year there was
the benefit of being really bad where you can get
the high pick because it's still other protection from Okay, see,
like they just they don't own that pick next year.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
So I mean, at least at least try to win.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, No, seriously, I mean, at least try to get
the play in position, like at least some of the
young guys. They're like, my best case scenario is that, right,
like Jared McCain comes back and is healthy, the young
guys all break out, and you just get any sort
of it.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Like I just have a hard time, but I don't
see it.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I have a hard time saying they're gonna win fifty
games compared to the other worst case scenarios. Like I
would love to be wrong on this, but I've just
seen this movie before, Like I'm not going to be
the insane person who tries to like gaslight themselves into
them suddenly pulling it together, like they can tell me.
And they've been trying to do it a little bit,
like they're like, oh, we got new trainers and we

(36:51):
got all this other stuff. Really been trying to prove it.
But I'm like, you do have to prove it. You
have to prove it to everybody at this we just
don't believe you.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, And it's gonna be interesting to see how we
start right with McCain and potentially embiide and Paul George
out Like if Maxi starts out strong sharp looks good,
ready to lead. You know, that at least gives us
a hopeful start. But then like December January range, like
we start getting into a situation it's like, okay, what
are we you know what I mean, what are we

(37:21):
looking at? You know, where are we with the rookies?
What is the record going into Christmas? Or something like
are we at five hundred? Are we even at five hundred?
And then obviously trade deadline will be an interesting time
to see this team specifically, you know, is are we
buyers at that point? Are we hey, we think we

(37:44):
are able to make a push at this point?

Speaker 4 (37:46):
And what do we do at that point?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
So well, it's even crazy too because like you may
not even know, because I mean I remember last year,
like as bad as the season started, they went out
and beat the Celtics on Christmas and you were like, yo,
they beat the Celtics and especially not on national television.
So it's like, all right, maybe you have my attention
a little bit. And then immediately, like within two weeks
it was over again, and I think that's being new unfortunately,

(38:09):
but that was what.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Would be very interesting for us to have done this
entire tank situation to get close. But then to ultimately
be stuck back in NBA purgatory at this like barely
making the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
World. Just I think about that all the time. Like
I think one of the reasons that, like one of
the reasons that when we started the show with Tim
way back in the day, that I was so excited
to do this because again, like what I always say,
the seasons change officially when the regular season tips off,
so like we're about to be in season thirteen, which
again is such an insane sentence. But when we started,

(38:50):
like the Sixers were beginning the process, like that was
the first year they had blown everything up like that.
Half for the reason I was excited to do that
show was because I would really believed in what was
gonna happen, like and even if you go as far
as twenty sixteen, like it looked so bright and they
just threw self sabotage and other just I mean, we

(39:12):
don't need to rehash this for the zillion time, but
it's just yeah, no, dude.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's it's not. Let's also not let the NBA off
easy here. They did sabotage that on as well. We
got punished while other teams didn't as much.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
They absolutely, they've they've sprung the colam.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Angelos, which is disgusting and I will I will never
forgive Adam Sober.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Yeah, come on, b you know.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
We got Jerry and he hires his nepo's son right away,
like sick it was, it was, Yeah, I mean, it's
it's just crazy with them because like, and again I
haven't lost it for the league obviously, but yeah, I
mean I have as a fan my general like you
and Chase the Rank and the Philly sports teams in
terms of like it's just apathy right now about the fam,

(40:00):
Like I just don't care. I don't.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
It's also it's also like the season's gonna start during
a very very strong red October for the Phillies. So
it's just like nobody is going to care about the
seventy six ers right now, like it is going to
be Eagles. It is going to be Phillies, and it'll
be it'll be Eagles, you know obviously on the weekend

(40:22):
or Monday Night Football or Thursday whenever they play. And
then it's gonna be very heavy on Phillies at least
during this run. Yeah, and then and then after it's
all over, they're gonna go, oh, right, the seventy six ers,
And the only good that can come out of that
is if the record's really good, because nobody's gonna be
paying attention to how we got to, you know, one
in thirteen. In certain cases, they're just gonna see one

(40:44):
in thirteen and go no, no, I'm not watching this season.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
No, And I mean it is really a double whammy,
like it's been. You know, the two worst Philly franchises
have been the Sixers and the Flyers really in the
past decades in terms of well and I mean the
Phillies were down for a while, but the last few
years they've been suit I mean really sin signing Bryce Harper,
they've been competitive, so people have been locked in on
this team and you know, World Series running that time.
Unfortunately they get over the top. But it's like, yeah,

(41:09):
I think the Sixers, like when you rank the popularity
of the four teams, like they very much have the
potential to be number two, like over the Phillies, Like,
I think more people would be interested in basketball, it's
just the franchise hasn't been nearly good enough consistently to
justify that interest. So I think they're they're firmly three.
And I mean, shoot, if we really want to talk
about the state of these franchises, like the Flyers kind

(41:30):
of finally tanked correctly and like are building a young
core that people are excited about. It looks like they've
got some young talent on this roster, like there's a
very real chance that they're competing again sooner than later.
Where the Sixers are just doing the same old injury thing.
Like and it's always just awkward too, because it's the
weird dance with Joel where it's like Joelle is one
of the best players in franchise history, but like god,

(41:53):
I can't, I just I don't have it in me
to watch this guy be heard again. Like it's just
so it stinks. It's things for everybody, and like I
feel for him too, Like I don't want to. That's
why it's always a weird balance of like I don't
want to want to be one of those MB bashers,
but like I think it's fair to say that, like, yeah,
we may not win a championship with this guy, like
it's kind of been true here for a few years now.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, we're we're for sure there, if not getting there already.
I am curious to see where this Phillies team would
land in like a list if if again, And I
don't want to jinx anything, but if they were to
go the whole way, there's a lot of baseball to
be played. But like, I am very convinced this is
one of the better rosters that we've had, and like
where it would rank up in the history of the Phillies.

(42:36):
But this isn't a baseball podcast. So we could win.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
It's high, Like we don't have to do it real quick.
But if they win, it's high. It's gonna be I mean,
they've only would better franchise history, so.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Like, yeah, but would it be better than the one
that won in what was that two thousand and eight?

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Probably not because of record.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
In my opinion, nose I had so many like franchise
legends though, that's the thing. But what's crazy about that
rosters like we're objectively God, we're gonna go down the hole.
There are better Phillies teams from that likeh eight to
eleven run but they just did win the World Series,
Like their best team was probably in either twenty eleven

(43:16):
or in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
But the always Yankees yet Yeah, they went the World Series,
lost the Yankees and nine and they went to back
to back and then they lost the Cardinals in the
first round of twenty eleven, and I don't ever want
to speak about that game again.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
It's it's probably it's the maddest I've ever been about sports.
They lost one nothing. I was not happy. I was
twenty one, so I was extra not happy. Yeah, yeah,
we don't. We don't need you. I mean, you want
to talk about like worst losses, I mean the Sixers
worst loss for me is probably Kawhi though, because because

(43:50):
well you can't tell me for as bad as it's
been that they would have won that year if they
didn't get past that series. And that's what it comes
down to.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I doesn't hit that. I think it is very different,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
There's so many legacies that are different. I mean, and
Beid's got one. Ben Simmons wins the title in Philly.
Jimmy Butler wins the title in Philly and definitely doesn't
leave then. But Jimmy, Jimmy has the ring period, So
I mean, I guess that's a good segue into going
to Jimmy's new team, the Warriors, who are making some
moves as well the restricted free agency market, like their
saga with with Jonathan Kuminga's finally coming to an end

(44:18):
here two year agreement. He just at the end of
the day. I don't know why I lost the cap.
Do you have the salary up right now? Just this
this article doesn't have the salary.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
I don't know for the Warriors the cap.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, okay, forty eight and a half million. Excuse me here,
forty eight and a half million on the two year
deal for Jonathan Kuminga, which again, this has been like
long saga, probably one of the more vocal ones of
the offseason about how this free agency situation has played out.
But he's back now, you know, posts this says he's
turned the page. I'm sure the Warriors are happy to

(44:53):
have him back. Like coming at the end of the
day is still because it feels like he's been in
the league now for a bit. But he's just twenty
two years old still, and I think that's the biggest reason,
you know, especially on an older roster like the Warriors are,
like he can come in that athleticism you still can't teach,
like if he ever fully develops like he's been he's
been solid enough. I mean, he only had fifteen points

(45:14):
last year, almost five boards a game, but it spurts,
and to me, honestly, in the playoffs he was really
good and granted only in one series, but it felt
like he was playing good ball in that series.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
And it in the deal includes a team option for
the second year, which does still keep some flexibility for
Golden State.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Hit it down the road for you? They say, is that, Hey,
do you like this soccer, Let's potentially do it all
again next offseason.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Well I think about it like there is if this
doesn't work for the Warriors, there is a legit like okay,
what do we do going forward? Type situation, So I
totally get that. Apparently Kaminga's agent push hard for for
more control a player option, but obviously the Warriors have
firm on that. Kaminga changed his jersey from zero zero
to one. So I wonder if just every time he

(46:01):
gets a new contract, he's just gonna go up another number,
like we'll go to two next time, and then three
and four and five, And I'm interested to see, but
I think it's very telling, like this is a good
push that they're going to uh uh, this is gonna
be a good push for the team. I think Horford
and Draymond will compliment each other really well on the court.
I think Kamingo is obviously one they can rely on.

(46:23):
You got Jimmy there, you got uh Steph and Seth
And we'll talk about Seth in a little bit too.
Actually part of my balling and falling, you know, comingo
one of their younger, high upside guys. And I'm just
interested to see if this is enough to compete with,
you know, obviously the overarching OKC situation.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Do you know that jiff where there's two guys and
they just keep going up to each other and it
looks like they're about to fight, but instead they just
flip each other off, and it's just them chasing each
other around and.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Flip like far away on the islands and stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, So I feel like that's what
Jonathan Kaminga and the Warriors did to each other this
entire offseason and now they just are like back at
it each other.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Well yeah, because it was like and look, Kaminga kind
of has a right to be upset a little bit,
like he's he's just his role has been jerked around
a lot, Like it feels like they've been all in
on his development and then they were doing this whole
two timeline thing of course, as we know, but then
they just don't trust him to play minutes. But then
because of out of injuries, they've almost been forced to
reluctantly play in minutes, and so I can understand his

(47:30):
frustration there, but it's also like then the well, the
restricted reagency market didn't really play out the way that
we thought it would for a lot of these guys,
and so it's like, well, Kaminga, it's probably like best
than your best interest to just go back to the
Warriors and like whatever, you can at least play some
meaningful basketball next year. Like, it'll be interesting to see
how they worked through about. I mean, it's a good
sign that they're both putting on the game face right now.

(47:53):
It's just odd too, because I feel like the Warriors
public front office like they've just been trying to trade
him left and right, but every time they get close
to trading him, they've just backed off for a second
and been like no, no, no, actually, we still think he's
a part of the future. So it's just really weird
why they've like been public, like they haven't made their
intentions really known here too, which I think is kind
of like got to the awkwardness of this. But I

(48:16):
don't know. I mean from a basketball perspective, I do
think it's good to have him back because they are
they're going all in right now, like and I mean, shoot,
they clearly have one of the older rosters in the
league right now, and I mean bringing in Al Horford
is not really going to like I mean, yeah, you
look at you look at Al, and you look at
Jimmy and you know, Draymond and all these guys now,
like they really are. They're very unique in the sense

(48:37):
that they are an older roster. It's about being healthy.
Like I want to keep bringing it back to injuries,
but like it does for this team, like we saw
last year, they were, you know, given a great first
round series and they looked when Jimmy was there, it
looked good, and then Jimmy got hurt and it just
never looked the same. Like, yeah, you know it, you
need to make sure you're ready for the playoffs. You know.

(48:58):
I still think they're a tier below the you know,
top dogs of the league, like the teams you mentioned before. Houston, Oka,
see Denver. But they're right there, and there's certainly a
path where they could get in there and mess around
and compete in the Western Conference as well. Like I'm
never going to really like totally rule out a Steph
Curry run team, Like we've we've seen them do this
how many times at this win, So it's an intriguing roster.

(49:21):
Like you said, I think Horford fit wise makes a
lot of sense, Like he can play that Draymond role
even a little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
And I wonder what the what the rotations look like
with Curry, Green, Butler, Horford, Kuminga, Like there's definitely a
lot of interesting ways you could try to throw that
out there. So I wonder if that's essentially what they
try to figure out at the beginning of the season
is like what can they do between these older guys,
you know, with some younger guys, but what can they
do to keep the health, keep the energy, keep you know,

(49:51):
be able to make a legitimate run at the end
of the season. I'm curious to see what the Warriors
can do with that.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, I mean they Steve curR already said that, you know,
he mentioned the fit with Horford and Draymond and the
fit with him and Trace Jackson Davis. So you know,
I mean, I think they're excited about that. You mentioned
it a little bit earlier, and I mean one hundred percent,
like this is with with Horford going to the Bay
like this is I mean, Boston's been doing that this
whole season. And they traded Drew Holliday when they let
Prezingis walk, like Tatum just changed the entire chemistry about

(50:20):
what they're about to do, Like they're fully in a
I mean them in Indy are both totally in punt
modes unfortunately because of the Tatum and Halliburtn injuries respectively.
So yeah, I mean that's part of what's made this
conference so wide opening. Like I don't think Boston's gonna
fall off a cliff, but like, no, the front office,
it was already going to be an expensive older roster
to bring back. The reason you do that is because
they won a championship and you give them the benefit

(50:41):
of the doubt. But the second Tatum got hurt, it's
like your team just they're not good enough to win
a title without Tatum.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
The Sixers and Nick's tip off is about to happen
and I just got the starters.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Oh yeah, they're an Abu Dhabi right now.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
But dude, that the starter's list, Like, that's such an
insult to put that lineup out there. Dude, I know,
but still look at that line of the starter It's like, dude,
no n B, no pulp.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
It's just upsetting.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, I mean, I hear, it's preseason. I'm not gonna
this is I'm going to be upset over all the things.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
I'm upset.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
I'm upset because I want to see them play good
basketball with their starters.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
They owe us that from last year.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
So even though it's a preseason, get us, get us,
get us what it's gonna look like. So either way, yeah,
I hope. So that's my falling. Now is that lineup
he just announced?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah? Right, I mean, hey, you pivot last minute? Who's balling?
Who's falling? Our NBA version of the stock market, we
always like start with the good for the bad, So
justin I will start with you who is balling this week?

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Balling for me is going out to SGA, who was
doing a media day the other day and was asked
about winning the championship. And I don't know if you
saw his response, But he said, and I quote, it's
a step in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Bro, what I mean, He's not wrong, I guess, like
I mean, if we're talking about the franchise, like, yeah,
then winning the title, is it certainly a step in
the right direction.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I guess so.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yeah, So that honestly should be concerning for anybody that
is not on Okay, so he's seeing that that they
view a championship as a step in the right direction.
They're trying to win three in a row, four to row,
five in a row, like oh my words.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I mean, they're trying to be a dynasty, like we've
talked about. It's been a league of parody recently, Like okay,
se feels like they're in the best position that a
team has been in a while to break that trend,
for sure. So you know, a lot needs to go right.
You know, Sam Presty is gonna have to continue to
make the right moves. But yeah, I mean, certainly, I'm
not worried. I'm not worried about SGA. Lord knows, like
there are many things to be worried about, potentially, like

(52:43):
his mentality as is not one of them. He's gonna
be ready to rock balling for me this week. Is
the owner or the owner now of who owned this
Kobe Bryant jersey. Kobe's first ever number twenty four jersey
went up for sale at auction and then up going
for eight hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars, So this

(53:05):
is literally the first game they tracked this down. This
is you know, your yellow classic Lakers jersey. It's the
first time he ever wore twenty four. He did it
was in a victory over the Sonics, so a little
bit of extra history there. He got a team that's
not didn't exist anymore. On November third and two thousand
and six, he scored twenty three points. This was in

(53:26):
the six oh seven season where he won the league
scoring title that year. On the jersey at the bottom
in the two it was signed first twenty four. This
is part of like a previous memorabilia deal that he
had with Upper Deck, so everything is authenticated there. They
actually also sold a Jerry West jersey at the same
auction that went for five hundred and thirty three four

(53:49):
hundred dollars that he wore from sixty four to sixty seven,
So pretty cool stuff there.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Just imagine having that much money.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
To be able to drop that much on a on
an item, you got me thinking about this. So have
you watched King of Collectibles on.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Netflix?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I have it, I know what it is, but flip
here there, but I have not like sat down.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
So for anybody that follows the podcast knows. I was
just up in Jersey with Quinn and in Ocean City,
New Jersey, they have this little area that you can
go and be in the uh it's like a little
ride amusement park kind of thing, and I was taking
Quinn on the train. The train just goes around the
little play area. It's like three dollars you go around.

(54:36):
She loves train, so it was a good time. And
I'm literally going on the train right and they're stopping
the crowd so that we can go through. And as
I'm going, I look over and I see this guy
that I'm like, damn, this dude looks really familiar. And
so we go past him and I was like, who
was that? Why do I know who that is? I
was like, I think that's a famous person, Like I've
definitely seen that person on TV before.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Who is it?

Speaker 3 (54:58):
It was Ken Golden, who is the main person who
owns the company that they talk about in King of
Collectibles Sick. He's the one that's like you know, goes
and talks and like Tyson and buys the boxing gloves
to auction him off for money all this stuff. And
so that we go around, he's still there, Like the
train goes around twice, He's still in that spot and
I see him and I looked over and I was

(55:19):
like Ken, and he looked at me, and I was like, bro,
your show's awesome man, and he just looked at me.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
He was like thanks, and that is all it was.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
And I was like, this man is worth so much
money and he's just standing in the middle of this
crowd and nobody knew who he was. I probably blew
that up thinking about it now, like people probably like, wait,
who is this guy?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Even then, Like I mean, and that's kind of the
I mean, that's the ideal balance, right where you're famous
enough to be successful, but you're not famous enough where
I have to worry about getting swarmed or having security
teams or like I can't go out anywhere in public anymore.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
His net worth in twenty twenty one was two hundred million,
and that is before the show kicked off. He's gotta
be he's gotta be worth money, a lot of money.
But all that to be said. He was wearing a
Philly shirt, so confirmed Philly's fan.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, we'll take you Phil right October Baby, we're here
all right. Fallen for me this week is actually I
just that was just my ball and so never mind,
I'm being rude here and cut you off. He's fallen
this week.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
My fall is going to go out to Seth Curry,
who last year was asked if he would ever want
to play with with Steph and he said, uh, would
I ever want to team up with Steph? Because I
know I've said that the past few times. I don't
want to be on the same team. I want to
carve my own path. Well, clearly that's not the case anymore.
He is now playing with him. Uh, the Seth Curry
agreed to a one year deal with the Warriors. I

(56:43):
think it's a really cool thing. I also wonder if
there's some mind games at play because it's got the
same last name, Like will that confuse some defenses potentially,
Like you wrote, realized stuff's out there for a second,
you get the wrong line up out there or something
because Curry's just a Curry is always on the court
at all times. But good for them, get the brothers together.
I was surprised to learn that this is the first

(57:05):
time they've actually been on a team together.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
So yeah, I mean, well, that's why it's kind of funny.
It's like, Seth, I feel like you have carved your
own path, dude, like you've been for ten years now.
Like you and I talked about this a little bit before.
It's like Seth Curry was a G League grinded up
like a lot of ten day contracts type guy who really,
you know, he didn't just win off that Curry name,
like he truly you know, warped into a good quality

(57:28):
NBA player on his own. I come, well, you got
a team up with your brother one last time, especially
because like this is everybody's farewell tour on this Warrior team,
Like you might. If this is the time to do it,
you might do it now.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
It is.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
It is what the people want, It's what we want.
We want you guys on the team together, Like, come
on as well.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
For sure, By the way, I'm on I'm on Southby
Sports Auctions right now because I had to just like
pull it up and see what kind of NBA stuff
they got on here right now. So game Warn Bookers
All Star game jersey is for sale from two twenty
twenty two, so that's for twenty grand.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
There's a Ja Morant game warn that's fifteen. Donovan Mitchell's
Opening Night jersey with the Jazz from twenty twenty is
fifty seven hundred. Uh, dude, good one. Dirk Dirk. There's
a Dirk Nebitsky game warn on here for twenty from
like seven.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Oh eight, which, jeez, dude, I.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Believe that's the Eory won MVP A try sit was
Uge Gobert is thirty five hundred if you want that.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
I just can't believe they go for that much like
I get it. I do, I understand it. It's just wild.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
You can buy NBA mysterage boxes. This is crazy for
two grand and they don't tell you who's in it.
There's like one hundred just something.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
It's just something like it's gonna be game.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
It's a game warn NBA jersey from somebody. They don't
tell you who it is. It's two grand. They have
one hundred of them on here, and I.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Would want, Oh, what would I want?

Speaker 3 (58:59):
I would want a signed Elfred Peyton jersey from the
best game she had. And then and then okay, I
want a Deli Matthew deli Adova jersey signed from the
from the game that he injured Corver.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Oh, they got a list. Okay, that's crazy, that's insane.
So they have they have a list of the of
the hundred that are on here. So there's a couple bangers,
like you could get Embids on here. Giannis is in here,
Steph is in here, Kate Cunningham is in here, Desmond
Baine on the Grizzlies, Jamal Murray, Jason Tatum, our boy,

(59:36):
Kobe White who talked about earlier in the show. Uh.
But then there's some random ones. Man. That's the thing.
It's like, you're paying two grands, so like, you know
our guy g League success story, but like, are you
paying two grand for the Ricky Council, the fourth Sixers jersey?

Speaker 3 (59:51):
No, but I would pay a lot for November twenty
fifth Warren Alford Payton jersey.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Justin there is an Alfred Peyton New Orleans Pelicans twenty
twenty four to twenty five jersey that's in the mystery box.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Let's start a go fund me right now to get
Miss Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
You're gonna be the first person in history to get
the mystery box and get like a Jason Tatum game
War Jersey and be like, no, it's going over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
I'm gonna sell it back to get more so I
can buy more boxes. By the way, crazy for anybody wondering.
The reason I want November twenty fifth, twenty twenty four
el for Payton Jersey is that is the game. He
did fourteen points, twenty one assists, seven rebounds, and two steals,
and shot seventy one percent from the field.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
He went seven for eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Yeah, so there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I was glad you guys got Payton and Grid. Well
we'll jump to it in a sex we.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Can, by the way, get him in Grid this time.
I just pulled it up so cool, all right, we
will be doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I mean falling from me this week is is Daniel
gafferd He sprained his ankle. He's gonna miss two to
three weeks. This happened during training camp on the opening practice,
so it's kind of a bummer to the start of
the season for Dallas. They said his availability for the
opener is up in question. They're opening against the Spurs
on October twenty second. Also kind of a bummer because
Gafford missed the end of the season last year. He

(01:01:10):
missed the last two months with his sprain in his
MCL but obviously like he's a big player for them,
rotation guy for them going forward. Hopefully this is just
a minor ankle sprain and we're not talking about this
for too too long. But yeah, let's switch gears here
a little bit. Let's get into immaculate grid. I know
I'm itching to play. I was glad to see that
you and Chase played last week.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Butcher, dude, we Bucher died.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I mean, listen, man, you guys got you, guys got
Alford paidon the the Sixers guy that you didn't get
with Chicago where I was screaming at it, where I
was like Tony Cook coach, Tony Ku coach to what.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yeah, I could not remember cu coach his name for
some reason, I knew, I knew he was there, I
just didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
I couldn't I couldn't grab it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yeah, he was on the h he was on the
AI team that went to the finals. But all right, Yeah,
a lot of stats this week, we should breeze through this.
For the podcast listeners, you can always watch watch the
show on YouTube. If you want to watch the grid,
just search Driving to Shamba podcast. But again, for you
guys who are listening, are left to right. Our columns
are the Miami Heat, one steal a game per season
and first round draft pick are rows from top to bottom,

(01:02:13):
the Cleveland Cavaliers Hall of Fame, and ten points a
game per season, So a lot. I mean, honestly, I
think we're going as rare as possible for some of these.
I think that's gonna be the name of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Frid's going to come into this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I'm thinking Alfred. Are
you thinking ten a game per season or you thinking
ten and one per steal per game per season? I
think either one will be extremely low.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Yes, I think either's going to be low.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I think first round pick ten points we can get
even more creative with. I bet Alfred real low under
one steal in ten points per game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
I agree. The only reason I think anyone would remotely
pick Elford here is because he's a point guard and
gets steals. But yeah, point oh four or point oh
four percent, Yeah, to start. That's like I said, we're going,
we're going for a new low rarity.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
We're on these so and hear me out here, Calves
Heat Livingston he played four games for the Heat. How
do you know that because of this? Because of immaculate grid,
i'ves yes, I'm pretty sure he did. Yeah, I'm almost
positive Sean Livingston works here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
So my obvious ones for this, Oh there's so many.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Yeah, the obvious ones.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
It's like ron Sha Love, Dwayne.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Wade, Mike Miller, Birdman Miller, Sean Marion. Yeah, I'm pretty
sure Livingston played for both, and it would be really low.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Yeah, okay, all right, you said no, you said a
lot of confidence. I believe you. I'm not gonna shoot you,
and he will definitely be low.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Oh yeah, yeah four.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Good lord, Matt, I learned something to that. I had
no idea he played for either of those teams.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
He played a decent amount.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I think he played like fifty to sixty some games
for the Calves and like four games for the Heat.
I remember that only because only because I had a
grid like this before and I used him as a guest,
and I was surprised that it was so low.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
So I looked it up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Yeah, that was crazy. So right, like four games for
the Heat in Oeito nine So that was after the injury,
right because like obviously the original Livingston story was the
devastating the injury where he played for the Clippers. So
he played for the Heat. He played for the Thunder
four and eight games respectively in O eight oh nine,
and then yeah, he played for the Caves for forty
nine games in twenty twelve. Twenty thirteen. He played for

(01:04:29):
Washington that season too. He played seventeen games to start,
So because yeah, he played, I mean it was that.
It was that season with Cleveland. The next year he
played for Brooklyn and then he got to Golden State
and then obviously that's where he you know works.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
You large, do you think Delhi had a steal per game?

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Probably if he was starting me interesting one, like he
got starting Uh what am I trying to He got
starting minutes. So that's kind of my thing is it
was like he's I mean, any guard I'm going to g.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
We're gonna have at least one, but.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
I hope, but like the only worry I have with
him is that he was a bench guy. I do
think it's hard as a bench guy to average something
like Elford starts. So that's where I wasn't really worried
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Well, and we could always we could always go uh
like a j R. Smith. I'm on Shumpert type level.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Now that I think about it too, just because I'm
realizing with Deli in one steal a game per season,
he was extra with the calves, he was getting benchmin
It's like, I know he came back late, but like
he wasn't really starting until he went to Milwaukee or
getting more serious mites. I think, so, Okay, I mean
we could do yeah, Jr. I don't you would sum.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Yeah? Who else was uh? Who else was over there
at that time? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
I mean obviously Kyrie would work, but but that's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Be Kyrie is going to be high. I mean, dude,
I think Jr would be low. I think, I mean,
I'm trying to think it'd be mond it on playing. Yeah,
I think either one and and because I think they're
both below. But I think I'm more bullish on those
two than I am on Deli.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
You want to go shump, Yeah, I'm cool with shump.
I'm shumpert, man. I don't think I've used him on
the grid.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I don't think he'd gets to a full one. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I met I met him in Tampa. Okay, so now
hear me out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
When did you meet himt shumperd in Tampa.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
I don't concert.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
His wife girlfriend was the opener, so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they're not together anymore. Unfortunately he
was married Kean Taylor's good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
It was a it was a it was She was
the opener. I think Omarion was next, Betty Wop was
after that, and then Kid Ink and then Chris Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
That was the five that performed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
That wild lineup.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
It was crazy part it was so funny. Me and
Jeremy Gold went and we didn't get back to Jacksonville
till three in the morning, and I had to work
at four and my boss got so mad at me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
He's like, you smell like whiskey. Why are you here?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Because the Mountain Network was like bro.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Well, And honestly, half of it was Chris Brown's fault
because the mean greet was supposed to be after the
show at midnight, and he didn't see us till like
two thirty in the morning, and I was like, we
gotta go, dude, Like I am, I'm not waiting any longer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Tampa too, it's not even closer.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
That was a tough that was a dangerous That was
a dangerous drive back, Dude, that was a tired drive back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Yeah, but either way, all that to say, first round pick, cabs,
what do you think about d Wade being low?

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
So I just want to make sure there's not a
technicality and they don't have to be picked by the team.
Can you click that to just make sure or play? Okay?
Right then, I'm fine doing Wade there because obviously I
think he's Dwayne Wade. So I think there's gonna be
a level of like howlow busy, but I think, yeah,
I mean, I think people are going to name the
Calves first round picks first, and I think with the

(01:08:12):
wrinkle there, yeah wow, okay, never mind, just kidding. I
guess when it is players that were picked in the
first round, like you really do have a lot of options,
and certainly Dwayne Wade isn't somebody that we associate with
Calves first. But it's still like Dwayne Wade, man, he's
a Hall of Famer, He's all the best shooting guards ever,
so all right, Hall of Fame for any of these

(01:08:36):
are pretty quick. I mean, for the Heat, it's Shack,
it's Alonzo warning.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Yeah, Wade's been in, right, yeah, Wades in. Yeah, use
them but we can't. But yeah, so okay, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Trying to think of like older guys that are are
Hall of Fame. Oh who knows? Were you just gonna
say Gary Payton too? Because I was about to say Gary.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
No, I was saying, I'm trying to think of their
the three point Jason Terry. No, was that was it
Terry that was on the team.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
I don't think James Terry's I mean James Terry's on
the Hall of Fame though.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
No, yeah, okay, that's what I was wondering. I was
trying to think if he made it in or not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
I like my initial inclination. There is Gary Payton. I
like Gary Payton because he was on he was on
the sixteen that won. That's where you got a ring
at Gary Payton. And I don't think people people obviously
seven never mind, all right, never mind, yeah, I would wonder.
I actually want to I want to pull this up
actually for see how many Heat Hall of Famers there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Are do we think no, man, dude, Chris Bosh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
We didn't say Chris Bosh, Ray Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
I mean we could go we could go well, hold on,
we could go Chris Bosh, first round pick, Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah. Now I'm cheating. I just said that. Now I
feel now I feel like I'm cheating that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Okay, only because we.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Have like nine zollion options over there too. The the
Miami Heat players have been inducted in the Hall of
Fame a Our Alonzo Morning, Tim Hardaway, Shaq Ray Allen.
We mentioned Ray, Gary Payton, Chris Bosh, and Dwayne Right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
So who I was thinking of. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Yeah, I mean you only have a certain amount there,
all right, Hall of Fame, first round draft pick. We
can knock that out real quick. I mean, I want
to just pull up a boomer somewhere. So I'm kind
of like spinning the dice on my head in which
one to go with.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Okay, I was just saying, we can go Carmelo, yeah,
or do you think mellow Hall of Fame one steal, Hall.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Of Fame one steal?

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
I kind of like that. Honestly, he had to have
had to steal a game.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
I think you would think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
But Carmelo anthy's got to steal a game. Carmelo anthey
is steal a game. There's no way, Okay, yeah, no, yeah,
I like that there. I mean, if we want to
make it theme about recent guys in the Hall of Fame,
and we could always do Dwight as well with first
round draft.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
We could do that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
We could also go Alan Iverson. I mean, am.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
I could be a Homer and go a I here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
The only good thing we got for us right now
is six is two.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
It's only good A. I was like about to be like, wow,
look at you all.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Right taking it out? Yeah? Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
No hit me, I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Nora is Cole? Do you think he has?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Oh? My god?

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Like maybe potentially who else was the other the other.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Point starter? Yeah, Carlos Arroyo that one year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
No, that's not who I'm thinking of. Although also also
what's his name? Probably has it from The Sun's Tim's
Gay Bender track?

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Wasnay Groggige? Actually probably does? He would work there?

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Yeah, Draugage probably works there. No, who was the other
point guard that was with Nor's Cole?

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Oh, Mario you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Mario Chalmers have had ten.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
I think Chalmers had to have had ten as well,
and I'm inclined to go with Mario.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
You want to go Mario?

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I think? So he had to have had ten with Miami, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Yepkay, like I went for it. So yeah, I mean,
come on, he was like the I think he was
a starter.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
No, hell yeah. The problem is just starting with Wayne.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
And Boston right right right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
So first round? Ten points per game? I mean, should
we go? Should we go?

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Oka?

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Four?

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Because that's kind of funny, that's so gross.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
I will if I kind of hate it? Wait, which one?
Do you want to go?

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
To?

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Mecca? Or do you want to go? Uh? Do you
want to go?

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Jalil?

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
I want to okay, because I know he had like
sixteen points for.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
It, like no doubt in my.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Mind, sick he did thirteen rarety scoreful love that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
By the way, you want to hear how close this
was to disaster? Dude. Mario Chalmers only averaged ten a
game twice in his career in Miami. It was ten
on the dot in two thousand and eight, two thousand
and nine, and twenty fourteen, he averaged ten point two.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
If you told me he averaged fifteen points a game.
I believe you, Like I very much would have believed.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
I would start to doubt, but I would you could
sell me into it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Oh the grid's moving.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Oh okay, I mean I haven't like really saved all
my day.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
I don't say it either, but that's a bummer to
I wonder where it's going.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah, hopefully nowhere. That's gonna cost money that would go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
That's twenty answers for ten points per game, but one steal.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Yeah, I mean tell for ten games. Round draft pick
all right, most popular answers for each category, Lebron James
for a heat, Kyrie Irving for calves one stealer game
per season, Anthony Bennett caves first round draft pick. That's
so disrespectful, but it was number one, Like, I get it.
It's the most heat number one. Hall of Fame. Alonzo

(01:14:13):
Morning genuinely surprised by that. I thought it'd be Shack
for sure, but shouts is yeah, yeah, Trug, you're actually
Wade Wade. I guess was so recent, but you're one
hundred percent right. Hall of Fame, one steal game per season.
John Stockton, Hall of Fame, first round draft pick, Michael Jordan,
Dwayne Wade heat ten a game per season, Michael Jordan
one steal game per season, ten points a game per season,

(01:14:33):
Larry Bird first round draft pick ten points a game
per season. To recap our grid one last time. Sean
Livingston for Calves and Justin. That's a great poll, dude,
or for Calves in heat. I should say I'm saying
Calves and Justin, but Justin that is a great pull,
is what I'm trying to say. That was one of
your better ones in my opinion. Emon Schumpert Calves for
one steal per game per season, Dwayne Wade, Calves, first

(01:14:55):
round draft pick, Gary Payton for the Heat and Hall
of Fame Carmel and Anthony Hall of Fame one sealing
game per season, Allen Iverson Hall of Fame, first round
draft pick, Mario Chalmers heat ten a game per season,
Alfred Peyton ten points a game per season and one
steal per game per season, and julil okafor for a
first round draft pick with ten points a game per season. Go,

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