April 21, 2024 • 37 mins
In this podcast I discuss a recent table I've built which consists of staked joinery.
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Hello everyone, and welcome back foranother podcast. So in today's podcast,
I thought I talked about this sortof fellow here. This is a little
bedside table, three legs. It'sa state leg construction. So I thought
it would be fun to kind oftalk about this today, go over like
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over some of the you know,the structures and the features and whatever else,
and why I've done what I've done, and so on and so forth.
So for those of you that missedit, I did actually upload build
video for this. I donarrate onthis one, and there is a little
bit of music as well. I'mnot sure if I'm doing well with these
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narrating and music things that I don'tknow anyway. Of the videos if you
want to watch it's also there's somepictures if you're that if you're inclined to
actually go and see some hot tosome pictures of this in its final resting
place. There is some pictures onInstagram. The reason I actually built this
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table was basically I needed one.You know, it's kind of been it's
been about five years kind of inthe make and in me head at least
or not necessarily the design, butthe fact, you know that I needed
a table. So yeah, it'skind of took with five years to get
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around around to it, but youknow, I got there in the end.
Ironically, I probably should build anotherone to go on the other side
of the bed, just because itdoesn't look it doesn't look right. It's
when you look at the when youlook at the like the kind of the
bed from the bottom of the bed, it's it's not symmetrical. That kind
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of messes with my brain a littlebit for some strange reason. But then
again, who knows when I'm actuallygonna, you know, get around to
actually making the table. So thetable top itself, this was some of
the off cuts of the kitchen benchslash table thing that also took us about
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five years to get around. Now, this this section was kind of it's
just been lying around for quite sometime, you know, and I did
think of numerous things to kind ofto build with it, but it's just
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laying it, just laying lay Andit was such a shame. It's got
some beautiful Martins and it's obviously offthe I believe it's fungus when when the
when the fungus gets into the train, it's and it creates a spoultan call
spouting in the in the in thewood, and this gives it all this
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beautiful black and white pigments and linesand whatever else, So some of it
can be really beautiful. I particularlylike this half of of the table itself.
I just like the dark, thedark like kind of other. Yeah,
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I guess you could call it likea medium brown at least for the
beach. And it's got these beautifulblack lines going through. Hopefully you should
be able to pick us up onthe on the video hopefully. So why
did I make it round? Thatbasically come from I wanted to say if
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I could actually cut out a circlewith a ryoba so, And it did
actually stir up stir up quite afew comments, and some of good,
some of them not so good.But I did actually For those of you
that missed it, again, ifyou don't follows on social media, there's
there will be links if you wantto go and check some of me stuff
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out. I did actually cut itout with a IOVA, So I don't
think I'd be able to go anysmaller than this kind of now that I've
done it, I kind of knowthe limitations of the ryoba so, and
I think i'd be really pushed meup to go any smaller than this.
So the thickness of the tabletop isjust shy of thirty inches, which is
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admittedly it's it's a little bit tootoo short and thickness for this sort of
construction. So this type of constructionis what's known as it is known as
a steak leg construction. Basically,it consists of chronical tenants. So for
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those of you that don't know whata chronical tenant is, a chronical tenants,
it's kind of like a cone.I think that's probably the best way
to describe it. And how Iuse how I create a chronical tenants what
I've been doing for for quite sometime now. I've just been using these
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verito tenant cut as a doubt makeas I'm not actually sure what the what
the marketing is. I don't knowif it's a doubt cut or sorry,
a double make or or a tenantcut or maybe the marketers both they do
actually do both. So basically,yeah, you would make the tenants or
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the chronical tenant that is, thenyou would arm the where is it?
It could be anyway, I'm notgoing to go and look for but basically
it's it's just like like you seehim again, it's like like a conical
like a bit of a conical drillbits and what it's called the rhuma obviously,
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and that's that just gives you thecorresponding or the mating the mating angles,
you know. So I don't knowif that's if that wasn't like like
a ten ten the grades or afifteen the grades. I forget what was
on now, you know it wouldit would basically kind of mates nicely.
So the idea, or at leastthe idea that I've read, and it
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doesn't make sense in my mind,is that when these were kind of made
for the likes of chairs and such, the thing about what it was that
the more pressure that was placed uponthe seat itself or even the table,
basically any force that was going tocome down it was just going to force
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itself more onto the more onto thetenant. Because the tenant is chronical,
you're just pushing down. It's justjust by by mechanics, it's just going
to get tighter. And that's kindof that's kind of the you know the
premise of this sort of construction.But the issue, the issue with this
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is that it's really thin. It'slike, as I said, it's just
shy thirty year millimeters. So alot of these, a lot of these
used to be or were or youknow, anywhere from two two, three
four inches, depending on what you'redoing you might be making, you know,
benches and stuff and whatever else maypersonally in the past, because I
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have done like quite a lot ofthis construction. I mean even just Roman
work benches, the Roman work benches. I think I've made about seven Roman
work benches, and five of themhave had the chronical tenants. And you
know, in everyone of every everybench top I've used has been like two
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inches at least. I think that'sa couple of them were like, you
know, kind of forty five.But I really wouldn't go any less than
that. Well, I'm contradicting myselfbecause I did go less than that.
But I'm not too concerned simply becausethis is for me. I know,
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it's limitations. I know what it'sgoing to get used for. It's not
going to be coming into contact withchildren. It's not going to be coming
into contact with pets or anything likethat. There shouldn't be a great deal
of force going on it. It'snot going to be getting dragged about so
on and so forth. I meanit probably would do like fairly well.
I mean, even though this hasthin obviously, it has got the stretches
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underneath which do od strength. Butone of the one of the things which
which is a little bit annoying becauseI should have anticipated this anyway, is
that when I was actually dry fittingthe legs, you know, just making
sure everything was how it should be. So basically I had it, I
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had it upside down and I'm justI'm just tapping the legs with a hammer
and it actually split. So becauseit's split, I managed to split two
of the holes. So see themagain if you can see this on camera
again if if you want to,if you want to check the pictures out,
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you can go to me Instagram.But I did actually split one leg
which went from the motors hole allthe way to the outside. So what
I've done actually put a dovetail kin and the next the next leg,
I managed to split it, butthe split itself kind of only went maybe
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like inch and a half two inches, So see them again. Put a
k in it, and this isjust going to stop stop the crack getting
any more. Obviously, it's doneits job, because these these will hit
home, that will glowed hit home, and then obviously I wedged them.
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So one of the things about spottedBeach that you'll probably not know unless you've
used it or read about it isthat some of the spoltan more the white
section of the beach. I don'tknow the terminology of its. I just
referred to it as the white piecein in the beach, the spotted beach
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that is. It's very very brittle, it's very very weak. So I
should have actually marked this out alittle bit better. I paid more attention
to that, but because I wasso gung ho and nice and happy and
you know, yeah, I'm gonnaget a you know, ebracing bit,
you know, and I was kindof nerding out with tools a little bit.
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But I've actually there's a couple ofsections I think I think there's damage
on will the legs, to behonest, But what one of the legs,
it's it's barely noticeable, it's nothing, but the other two you can
notice it. And where the damageis the damage is obviously where the we
are. We are sections of theof the beaches. It's iron it though,
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because like like this. The legsare made from steam beach, so
the steam beach is like, ohmy god, it's super super hard.
It's it's ridiculous how hard and howtough it is. It's really tough to
work with as well, given thatif it had been still green, it
would have been a lot easier touse. But obviously this this is I
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think it's it's I think it's beenlike killing dried whatever. I'm not already
sure I want to say it.I want to actually say it was air
dried, but obviously a combat onehundred percent, so it was either killing
dried or or air dried. Butthat's just so so tough. So,
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you know, it's really funny,like how how the how the fungus can
actually weaken you know, the materialinside it's it's it's weird. So although
it gives it a lovely beautiful kindof tinge, that does weaken it.
So obviously, when I've been usedme bracing bits to to drill the holes,
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obviously, you know I did havesome Tim Barron Naneathan, it was
you know, Tim Brown nane Eathan, and I had the whole fast on
top of it. But I stillmanaged to to damage it when I was
drilling. But you know, asI said before, the kind of the
top, you know, the beautifulgrain on the top kind of that kind
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of makes up for it as such. So another thing I done and I
really liked it. I really likedto deal with this on fit up pieces.
I did do it on I thinkI've done it on two chairs.
Actually just apply a bevel. Sowhen you apply a bevel to especially like
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around around edge or like an arcor in this case a circle, it's
it gives the illusion that the thatthe piece is a lot finer than what
it actually is. And I reallylike this with the steak the steak chairs,
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you know, the stick chairs,like the the Welsh stick chairs,
wins that chairs, things like Ilike to say that I like the illusion
that it's a lot fur other thanwhat it is. I don't really like
to say, again, this isjust this is just me, this is
my preference, this is my mystyle, if you will. I don't
really like to say, like,you know, a big like ton and
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a half inch or or three inchyou know seats, it just doesn't look
attractive to me. You can getthe same seat, the same design everything,
And then if you put a slightbevel on. I think it just
looks sexy after you do that.It looks to me it does anyway,
I really like I really like puttingyou know, kind of bevels and making
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things look you know, not asnot as thick as you are. Again,
that's that's just kind of my preference. You know, obviously everybody's different.
You know, there's gonna be peopleout there that you know, kind
of call as a lunatic for evenseats something like that. But you know,
as I said, it's just mypreference. It's pretty obvious that it's
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got three legs. So I don'tactually appreciate pieces of furniture with free legs.
So I think one of the mainbenefits of having a piece of furniture,
even a chair or a stool,with three legs, is that it's
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not going to rock at all.The problem, the problem with chairs,
one day chairs, or any orany chair for that matter, with with
four leggs is that no matter howprecise that crafts person has made that chair,
or even a machine has made thatchair, you're never ever ever going
to be guaranteed for its for itsentirety of its life, to be on
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a flat surface at least chairing theOkay, there's no such thing as a
flat surface, even even me,even me sitting room, my living room
isn't for me at least my livingroom is a known flat surface. And
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I've said this on a few videos. What I should really say is my
sitting room is a known flat surfacein a certain area, but some of
it as as you go towards thewindow, it actually dips down. So
bearing in mind that these these housesare at least my house was built in
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the nineteen thirties, so it's it'sit's approaching one hundred years of age.
So there's a section of of thefloor that I know to be true and
straight. Obviously it's got laminated flooringon top of it. And that's that's
That's what I use a lot.If I'm down, like you know,
tables, chairs, I get everythingnice and level. Sometimes I use a
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spirit level depending on what I'm doing. And I did with this as it
happens, Get everything level, putsome pattern under it, you know,
gething level, and then just usea use a pencil and a scrap piece
of wood, you know, andjust go around and obviously walk outs for
the angles so that I can cutand the legs to the correct size,
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and obviously so they're gonna sit flushwith with the floor. So as I
said, three legs, you know, it is really stable. I wouldn't
actually mind to do a bit morewith this or sorry rollerut with the three
legs. I didn't actually contemplate ondoing a three legged chair actually seeing I
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think it was George. What's what'sa guy called Japanese Japanese American and I
think he emigrated from Japan and wentto America. I want to say George,
George and see me said, I'mterrible of pronouncing Japanese names. He's
a very well he's a very wellknown Japanese American. Would work. Unfortunately,
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he passed away some time of goounfortunately, but there was there was
kind of one of his chairs,and it's a free legged chair, and
I really like the idea of it. As soon as I've seen it,
I kind of understood it. It'slike a three leg a chair. You
know, it's going to be veryvery stable. I'm not too sure what
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it would be like, you know, kind of sitting on it, because
there's always that thing if you're sittingon it, and you're moving about because
you've got like a lot of weightson the top of it, and it's
only got three legs. It kindof could you know, it could tip
the one side perhaps, but Ithink I think I wouldn't really know until
I was kind of using that sortof chair, But I think that might
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be something, you know, Iwould I would like to like to win
the future. So the stretchers,obviously it's made by Beach, the same
the same way I made the legs. So going back to the legs,
actually, when I started making makingthis, I think I made one leg
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in the beach give us such ahard time time too, you know,
to work basically work the material,give us such a hard time. I
did actually think about going out andbuying a like a mini lafe at the
time, and I probably probably ifI really wanted to go out and buy
it. Now, there was amini leaf in little This was like a
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kind of a little park side leaf. I don't know anything about them,
I'll be honest. I've never usedthe left before, so I was kind
of thinking, you know, it'slike kind of just bite the bullet and
go out and you know, kindof buy it. But the issue with
that is that because I've never usedone, I would have to teach myself
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how to use one. And somebodyactually pointed out that if the material is
tough working with it with a drawnife, it's going to be equally as
tough when I've got it on theleaf, you know when, And and
someone pointed out that I would stillhave to take all the corners off and
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such, and I thought, so, I kind of I kind of just
went with the draw knife and thespokeshap. So, I mean, it
didn't turn out too bad, youknow, I am kind of happy with
the form of them. I didspend I did spend quite a lot of
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time, you know, trying tomake them quite you know equally. Look,
and I think I've kind of gotthere with him. Something to point
out here. I don't I don'tagain, I don't know if you'll be
able to see this on the camera, but when you're when you're actually doing
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any sort of construction like this,anything for any sort of leg, a
chair, leg a table, legdining table, anything like that, anything
that you want to be really strongwith a downward force, or even even
if you're going to span it betweenpoint A and point B. Horizontally.
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You want that grain to be niceand straight. So again, I don't
know if you can say this onthe video, but this, this grain
is nice and straight. Obviously youknow it runs nice and straight. So
the thing about this is that it'sit's very it's highly hilly, highly unlikely
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that there's going to be any snappingor fracturing anywhere along this leg, if
anything, the only place it wouldsnap, which I don't really think it
would, I think the top wouldbreak before before the legs would break.
I think it would be at thevery top where the where the chronical tenant,
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the tip of the conical tenant actuallygoes through the table top. So
just if again for those of youthat might be listening or those of you
that like kind of might be new, it would work. And so the
issue when you actually are you know, making a leg or whatever, if
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you if you pick a section oftimber and the grain is actually running out.
So again, running out basically meansthat the grain would, say,
I don't know for arguments, saythe grain would run quite straight, it
goes down to maybe halfway and thenall of a sudden it might just sweep
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out. It might sweep out withforty five degrees, so that that grain
is more is more liable to fractureat some point. You know, maybe
maybe the table is getting moved aroundfor whatever reason. You know, the
table could be lifted open, andyou know, something as simple as just
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dropping it on, you know,one leg can actually fraction legs. I
didn't actually say this on a chair. There was there was a lady along
the streets. She come knocking onthe door this this I think this was
about a year and a half ago, maybe maybe two years now. It
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was just before the Christmas I rememberanyway, and she basically come with the
chair and she says, says,listen, she says, Christmas. I'm
having people over for Christmas to night. It wasn't old lady, you know,
I think she's in our sixties.And she says she chased. She
says, I haven't got enough.She says, can you do anything with
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because obviously the majority of people inthe street know know that they would work.
And when I when I looked atthe at the leg, the leg
of the chair that had snapped,it was exactly that the grain, the
grain ran down and then it shotout about forty five degrees and what she
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had said. She said, oneof my grandchildren was sitting was sitting in
the chair and balancing on the twoback legs and and it's not you know
that it eventually fractured, and itwas it was quite a clean fracture.
I mean, there wasn't really muchI could do with it. So I
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basically, you know, I hadto make her new I didn't have to.
Obviously I chose to do it.But iose I chose to make I
am a new leg. It wasn'tmatching out the time I did see it.
I said, I can't make anew leg. I says, but
all I've got is walk. Soobviously I made our I made a new
ale leg. Obviously, you know, sent sent it back along. But
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it just goes to show you.I believe she had the chairs for a
couple of years, but it wasjust that slight too much, you know,
too much, you know, forceon on the on the on the
leg itself. I mean, Ibelieve the child was only small as well.
It was was only a young child, I want to say, a
six seven year old, you know, so there wasn't a lot of weight,
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but there was enough force, youknow, for the leg to give
away, so you know, especiallywith me saying that, you know and
kind of having a little bit ofknowledge, not a lot of knowledge,
but a little bit of knowledge aboutit. I kind of when I don't
make stuff like that now, Ido try to find, you know,
the best straight, straightest of grainsif possible. I know sometimes it's not
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always possible, but you know,if if you've got that sort of grain,
kind of use it. Look lookthrough your material and you know you
might be looking, you might getit. I mean, this is this
is actually a very very good example. It's it's super straight. It's like
really straight again. I hope youcan say on on the camera going back
to the going back to the stretchas obviously we have. I think you
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could call this maybe like a kindof a classical tea, a te stretcher
kind of you know, there hasseen a lot and furniture like this and
other forms of furniture. I thinkmost commonly you tend to see stretchers in
chairs, your wells, stick chairsthings like that, not necessarily well stick
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chairs, because there's actually a lotof examples of Welsh stick chairs where they've
got no stretchers. And Chris Swartz. He he argues that you don't need
them, and I do agree withhim. You don't really need stretchers if
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if the thickness of the of theseats of the table is of you know,
some substance. So this one,with it just being shy of thirty
inches, there's no way on earththat I could have got away with with
you know, kind of using thislike sorry, building it without you know,
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the stretchers, because see them again, I mean, this would only
have had like being pulled the wrongway. And as soon as them legs
kind of you know splay out,there's always there's always the possibility that air
the top of the tenants or oneof the tenants might snap, and there's
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also the possibility that you can actuallysplit the whole top and half. So
obviously with the stretchers, the stretchersare going to stop the legs spreading apart.
So these legs were set or allof the mortices and the tenants were
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set at fifteen graze that's fifteen degreesfrom vertical, So it's it's it's kind
of a really simple design, butit kind of it does work really well
because it's set of fifteen degrees andI know there's weight on it or it's
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getting pulled about. It's going towant to come to this to this orientation
of fifteen degrees. So obviously you'vegot the you've got the stretch as glued
in place, and it's it's justgonna it's going to stop. Help to
stop it from, you know,like spreading. Basically. Something else that
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I did deal with these is thatactually compressed the fibers. So when I
made them, they were were everso slightly well, they were out.
They were pretty tight actually, ifI'm honest. So what I've done,
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I drilled the hole. Obviously thecorresponding hole. I got it in a
scrap of a timber. I putthe towel in or the stretchers rather,
and I just forced it into thehole and I just started wiggling about.
I was able to do this withthe beach because obviously the beach, the
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steam beach is so strong. Ithink if you were going to do this
with oak or another timber, you'dhave to be really careful because there'd be
the possibility you'd snap the end off. But once I got it in,
just started literally wiggling at it about. And obviously I made that smaller.
So this is this helps us twofold. So firstly, if it's into the
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hole nice and easily and I'm notstruggling to get it in. One of
the issues with any sort of glowup, at least in my experience,
is that as soon as you putthat glue on PVA glue. I don't
think it's just as bad with likeheid glue, but with the with the
PVA glue is again, in myexperience, if something super tight, it's
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an absolute nightmare to get it in. And obviously that the glue, because
it's a tight fit, the gluejust starts grabbing straight away. I've done
this numerous times with dovetails. Idon't like glue and dovetails. It's stresses
us out because I like to havingme dove tails like a tight fit.
And obviously when you apply the glueand try to get the things in,
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it can be an absolute nightmare.But with this, this kind of work,
it's that kind of work in yourfavor. So because I've compressed it,
it's a nice tight fit. Butalso I know that the end of
the stretchers themselves before I compressed them, I know the like too tight I
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mean, I dare see I couldhave put them in and hammered them in.
They would have went in. Butthe thing with this is that once,
once, once the glue was appliedand everything was put together, the
moisture and the glue would have helpedto you know, kind of expands the
compressed fiber. So basically when theglue, the moisture of the glue inside
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it would have kind of expanded andit's going to give us a tighter fit.
So I kind of I kind oflike that. Similar things are done
with with conical tenants as well.So I know some of the old chair
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may as and table mate as andwhoever else used this construction. One of
the things I used to do wasthat they would they would dry the conical
tenant part. They wouldn't they wouldn'tbe too fussed about the rest of it,
but it would be more the chronicalchronicle pot, so they would dry
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it out. You know, I'veheard about some people using hot sand.
Basically it'll heat, will heat,They'll heat sand up and basically put the
you know, the the edge ofthe leg in or the all the chnical
of tenn and pot. And whatthis does just with the heat, it
basically dries the top of the chronicleof tennant out, takes all the moisture
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out of it. When you takeall the moisture out of wood, it
shrinks. So with a shrunk,you know, the kind of do a
final you know, a final cleanup of the leg, apply the glue
and walk in and it's the samesort of thing again. So obviously when
the moist shove the glue gets getsinto the wood where it's been really dried
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out, it'll it'll it'll suck thatmoisture back into it. And also it'll
start taking moisture out of the airas well because you've over dried it with
with the heat. And when it'sinside of the tabletop or the chair,
the chair seats, it's it startsexpanding and same again, it just gives
it a tighter a tighter fit,which which you want sort of thing.
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So I know that's I know that'sa trick like chair as have been using.
I want to say a couple ofhundred years, and I'm pretty sure
at least one hundred years. I'mpretty sure there's that sort of technique dates
back at least the eighteen hundreds.If anyone knows, leave a comment,
let everybody know. I'm not reallyone hundred percent with the history. So
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the final thing that I probably wantedto add to this, and I think
this is probably more for more forthe beginners, is that whenever you're down
some sort of a table, anysort of leg, table, leg,
chair, leg, whatever, whatever, always make sure that you put some
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sort of chamfarround the bottom of theleg. While I would be while I
would be a square leg or aown leg like this, what I actually
did, I just used fail.I just went around with a faile,
you know, nice and easy,nice and quick, nothing nothing special,
And it's it's just ever so youknow, it's only about like a two
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millimeters kind of sham far round.No worry, it's kind of more like
a shamfar having. It might evenbe too MILLI maybe like one on like
one and a half millimeters. Butwhat this, what this helps to do,
is to minimize or it nearly probablywould stop any sort of splitting.
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So when I see it splitting.The thing with chairs, when you when
you get a chair, or oranybody for that matter, if you watch,
if you watch anyone in a restaurantanywhere like that, I can almost
guarantee you, I think about ninetyfive people will get the chair by the
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by the back rest and they willdrag it. They will not pick it
up, and they will not carryit out. They will grab grab the
back rest and they'll drag it out. So the problem with that is that
if you're dragging and pushing the chairor the table, whatever is that if
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it was if it was square andit was making perfect contact with with the
floor or whatever surface, there's alwaysthat possibility that it might split. It's
the same sort of thing as ifyou're let's just say you've got a piece
of material and advice and your yourangring planing. So what I like to
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do, I like to put alittle chamfa, just a very small,
same same sort of thing, maybemaybe one one and a half one millimeters
in plane and the end grain.If I don't do that in the same
a game for anyone that's done this. So no, when you're playing along
and you reach you reach the endof that board. As soon as that
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blade hits the end of that board, I think it's it's it's about a
ninety percentage a chance that it's justgonna it's just gonna like take the material
out and you're gonna end up havinglike splits at the end of at the
end of the board. It's thesame sort of principle with legs. And
if you look at any sort oflike legs, I'm pretty sure I would
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put money on it that the majorityof them are going to have some sort
of a chamfa to stop that fromhappening. So, guys, I'm gonna
wrap it up for the day.Really appreciate everyone that's the same time,
listened, commented, and for everyonethat's been following us on Instagram and so
on and so forth, really appreciateit. So if you don't actually want
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to support the know, I knowI sound like a broken red word,
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I said, I'm gonna I'm gonnacall it for the day. So until
the next time, I shall seeand speak to you guys later
Hello everyone, and welcome back foranother podcast. So in today's podcast,
I thought I talked about this sortof fellow here. This is a little
bedside table, three legs. It'sa state leg construction. So I thought
it would be fun to kind oftalk about this today, go over like
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over some of the you know,the structures and the features and whatever else,
and why I've done what I've done, and so on and so forth.
So for those of you that missedit, I did actually upload build
video for this. I donarrate onthis one, and there is a little
bit of music as well. I'mnot sure if I'm doing well with these
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narrating and music things that I don'tknow anyway. Of the videos if you
want to watch it's also there's somepictures if you're that if you're inclined to
actually go and see some hot tosome pictures of this in its final resting
place. There is some pictures onInstagram. The reason I actually built this
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table was basically I needed one.You know, it's kind of been it's
been about five years kind of inthe make and in me head at least
or not necessarily the design, butthe fact, you know that I needed
a table. So yeah, it'skind of took with five years to get
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around around to it, but youknow, I got there in the end.
Ironically, I probably should build anotherone to go on the other side
of the bed, just because itdoesn't look it doesn't look right. It's
when you look at the when youlook at the like the kind of the
bed from the bottom of the bed, it's it's not symmetrical. That kind
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of messes with my brain a littlebit for some strange reason. But then
again, who knows when I'm actuallygonna, you know, get around to
actually making the table. So thetable top itself, this was some of
the off cuts of the kitchen benchslash table thing that also took us about
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five years to get around. Now, this this section was kind of it's
just been lying around for quite sometime, you know, and I did
think of numerous things to kind ofto build with it, but it's just
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laying it, just laying lay Andit was such a shame. It's got
some beautiful Martins and it's obviously offthe I believe it's fungus when when the
when the fungus gets into the train, it's and it creates a spoultan call
spouting in the in the in thewood, and this gives it all this
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beautiful black and white pigments and linesand whatever else, So some of it
can be really beautiful. I particularlylike this half of of the table itself.
I just like the dark, thedark like kind of other. Yeah,
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I guess you could call it likea medium brown at least for the
beach. And it's got these beautifulblack lines going through. Hopefully you should
be able to pick us up onthe on the video hopefully. So why
did I make it round? Thatbasically come from I wanted to say if
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I could actually cut out a circlewith a ryoba so, And it did
actually stir up stir up quite afew comments, and some of good,
some of them not so good.But I did actually For those of you
that missed it, again, ifyou don't follows on social media, there's
there will be links if you wantto go and check some of me stuff
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out. I did actually cut itout with a IOVA, So I don't
think I'd be able to go anysmaller than this kind of now that I've
done it, I kind of knowthe limitations of the ryoba so, and
I think i'd be really pushed meup to go any smaller than this.
So the thickness of the tabletop isjust shy of thirty inches, which is
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admittedly it's it's a little bit tootoo short and thickness for this sort of
construction. So this type of constructionis what's known as it is known as
a steak leg construction. Basically,it consists of chronical tenants. So for
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those of you that don't know whata chronical tenant is, a chronical tenants,
it's kind of like a cone.I think that's probably the best way
to describe it. And how Iuse how I create a chronical tenants what
I've been doing for for quite sometime now. I've just been using these
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verito tenant cut as a doubt makeas I'm not actually sure what the what
the marketing is. I don't knowif it's a doubt cut or sorry,
a double make or or a tenantcut or maybe the marketers both they do
actually do both. So basically,yeah, you would make the tenants or
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the chronical tenant that is, thenyou would arm the where is it?
It could be anyway, I'm notgoing to go and look for but basically
it's it's just like like you seehim again, it's like like a conical
like a bit of a conical drillbits and what it's called the rhuma obviously,
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and that's that just gives you thecorresponding or the mating the mating angles,
you know. So I don't knowif that's if that wasn't like like
a ten ten the grades or afifteen the grades. I forget what was
on now, you know it wouldit would basically kind of mates nicely.
So the idea, or at leastthe idea that I've read, and it
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doesn't make sense in my mind,is that when these were kind of made
for the likes of chairs and such, the thing about what it was that
the more pressure that was placed uponthe seat itself or even the table,
basically any force that was going tocome down it was just going to force
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itself more onto the more onto thetenant. Because the tenant is chronical,
you're just pushing down. It's justjust by by mechanics, it's just going
to get tighter. And that's kindof that's kind of the you know the
premise of this sort of construction.But the issue, the issue with this
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is that it's really thin. It'slike, as I said, it's just
shy thirty year millimeters. So alot of these, a lot of these
used to be or were or youknow, anywhere from two two, three
four inches, depending on what you'redoing you might be making, you know,
benches and stuff and whatever else maypersonally in the past, because I
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have done like quite a lot ofthis construction. I mean even just Roman
work benches, the Roman work benches. I think I've made about seven Roman
work benches, and five of themhave had the chronical tenants. And you
know, in everyone of every everybench top I've used has been like two
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inches at least. I think that'sa couple of them were like, you
know, kind of forty five.But I really wouldn't go any less than
that. Well, I'm contradicting myselfbecause I did go less than that.
But I'm not too concerned simply becausethis is for me. I know,
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it's limitations. I know what it'sgoing to get used for. It's not
going to be coming into contact withchildren. It's not going to be coming
into contact with pets or anything likethat. There shouldn't be a great deal
of force going on it. It'snot going to be getting dragged about so
on and so forth. I meanit probably would do like fairly well.
I mean, even though this hasthin obviously, it has got the stretches
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underneath which do od strength. Butone of the one of the things which
which is a little bit annoying becauseI should have anticipated this anyway, is
that when I was actually dry fittingthe legs, you know, just making
sure everything was how it should be. So basically I had it, I
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had it upside down and I'm justI'm just tapping the legs with a hammer
and it actually split. So becauseit's split, I managed to split two
of the holes. So see themagain if you can see this on camera
again if if you want to,if you want to check the pictures out,
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you can go to me Instagram.But I did actually split one leg
which went from the motors hole allthe way to the outside. So what
I've done actually put a dovetail kin and the next the next leg,
I managed to split it, butthe split itself kind of only went maybe
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like inch and a half two inches, So see them again. Put a
k in it, and this isjust going to stop stop the crack getting
any more. Obviously, it's doneits job, because these these will hit
home, that will glowed hit home, and then obviously I wedged them.
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So one of the things about spottedBeach that you'll probably not know unless you've
used it or read about it isthat some of the spoltan more the white
section of the beach. I don'tknow the terminology of its. I just
referred to it as the white piecein in the beach, the spotted beach
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that is. It's very very brittle, it's very very weak. So I
should have actually marked this out alittle bit better. I paid more attention
to that, but because I wasso gung ho and nice and happy and
you know, yeah, I'm gonnaget a you know, ebracing bit,
you know, and I was kindof nerding out with tools a little bit.
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But I've actually there's a couple ofsections I think I think there's damage
on will the legs, to behonest, But what one of the legs,
it's it's barely noticeable, it's nothing, but the other two you can
notice it. And where the damageis the damage is obviously where the we
are. We are sections of theof the beaches. It's iron it though,
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because like like this. The legsare made from steam beach, so
the steam beach is like, ohmy god, it's super super hard.
It's it's ridiculous how hard and howtough it is. It's really tough to
work with as well, given thatif it had been still green, it
would have been a lot easier touse. But obviously this this is I
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think it's it's I think it's beenlike killing dried whatever. I'm not already
sure I want to say it.I want to actually say it was air
dried, but obviously a combat onehundred percent, so it was either killing
dried or or air dried. Butthat's just so so tough. So,
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you know, it's really funny,like how how the how the fungus can
actually weaken you know, the materialinside it's it's it's weird. So although
it gives it a lovely beautiful kindof tinge, that does weaken it.
So obviously, when I've been usedme bracing bits to to drill the holes,
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obviously, you know I did havesome Tim Barron Naneathan, it was
you know, Tim Brown nane Eathan, and I had the whole fast on
top of it. But I stillmanaged to to damage it when I was
drilling. But you know, asI said before, the kind of the
top, you know, the beautifulgrain on the top kind of that kind
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of makes up for it as such. So another thing I done and I
really liked it. I really likedto deal with this on fit up pieces.
I did do it on I thinkI've done it on two chairs.
Actually just apply a bevel. Sowhen you apply a bevel to especially like
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around around edge or like an arcor in this case a circle, it's
it gives the illusion that the thatthe piece is a lot finer than what
it actually is. And I reallylike this with the steak the steak chairs,
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you know, the stick chairs,like the the Welsh stick chairs,
wins that chairs, things like Ilike to say that I like the illusion
that it's a lot fur other thanwhat it is. I don't really like
to say, again, this isjust this is just me, this is
my preference, this is my mystyle, if you will. I don't
really like to say, like,you know, a big like ton and
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a half inch or or three inchyou know seats, it just doesn't look
attractive to me. You can getthe same seat, the same design everything,
And then if you put a slightbevel on. I think it just
looks sexy after you do that.It looks to me it does anyway,
I really like I really like puttingyou know, kind of bevels and making
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things look you know, not asnot as thick as you are. Again,
that's that's just kind of my preference. You know, obviously everybody's different.
You know, there's gonna be peopleout there that you know, kind
of call as a lunatic for evenseats something like that. But you know,
as I said, it's just mypreference. It's pretty obvious that it's
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got three legs. So I don'tactually appreciate pieces of furniture with free legs.
So I think one of the mainbenefits of having a piece of furniture,
even a chair or a stool,with three legs, is that it's
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not going to rock at all.The problem, the problem with chairs,
one day chairs, or any orany chair for that matter, with with
four leggs is that no matter howprecise that crafts person has made that chair,
or even a machine has made thatchair, you're never ever ever going
to be guaranteed for its for itsentirety of its life, to be on
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a flat surface at least chairing theOkay, there's no such thing as a
flat surface, even even me,even me sitting room, my living room
isn't for me at least my livingroom is a known flat surface. And
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I've said this on a few videos. What I should really say is my
sitting room is a known flat surfacein a certain area, but some of
it as as you go towards thewindow, it actually dips down. So
bearing in mind that these these housesare at least my house was built in
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the nineteen thirties, so it's it'sit's approaching one hundred years of age.
So there's a section of of thefloor that I know to be true and
straight. Obviously it's got laminated flooringon top of it. And that's that's
That's what I use a lot.If I'm down, like you know,
tables, chairs, I get everythingnice and level. Sometimes I use a
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spirit level depending on what I'm doing. And I did with this as it
happens, Get everything level, putsome pattern under it, you know,
gething level, and then just usea use a pencil and a scrap piece
of wood, you know, andjust go around and obviously walk outs for
the angles so that I can cutand the legs to the correct size,
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and obviously so they're gonna sit flushwith with the floor. So as I
said, three legs, you know, it is really stable. I wouldn't
actually mind to do a bit morewith this or sorry rollerut with the three
legs. I didn't actually contemplate ondoing a three legged chair actually seeing I
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think it was George. What's what'sa guy called Japanese Japanese American and I
think he emigrated from Japan and wentto America. I want to say George,
George and see me said, I'mterrible of pronouncing Japanese names. He's
a very well he's a very wellknown Japanese American. Would work. Unfortunately,
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he passed away some time of goounfortunately, but there was there was
kind of one of his chairs,and it's a free legged chair, and
I really like the idea of it. As soon as I've seen it,
I kind of understood it. It'slike a three leg a chair. You
know, it's going to be veryvery stable. I'm not too sure what
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it would be like, you know, kind of sitting on it, because
there's always that thing if you're sittingon it, and you're moving about because
you've got like a lot of weightson the top of it, and it's
only got three legs. It kindof could you know, it could tip
the one side perhaps, but Ithink I think I wouldn't really know until
I was kind of using that sortof chair, But I think that might
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be something, you know, Iwould I would like to like to win
the future. So the stretchers,obviously it's made by Beach, the same
the same way I made the legs. So going back to the legs,
actually, when I started making makingthis, I think I made one leg
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in the beach give us such ahard time time too, you know,
to work basically work the material,give us such a hard time. I
did actually think about going out andbuying a like a mini lafe at the
time, and I probably probably ifI really wanted to go out and buy
it. Now, there was amini leaf in little This was like a
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kind of a little park side leaf. I don't know anything about them,
I'll be honest. I've never usedthe left before, so I was kind
of thinking, you know, it'slike kind of just bite the bullet and
go out and you know, kindof buy it. But the issue with
that is that because I've never usedone, I would have to teach myself
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how to use one. And somebodyactually pointed out that if the material is
tough working with it with a drawnife, it's going to be equally as
tough when I've got it on theleaf, you know when, And and
someone pointed out that I would stillhave to take all the corners off and
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such, and I thought, so, I kind of I kind of just
went with the draw knife and thespokeshap. So, I mean, it
didn't turn out too bad, youknow, I am kind of happy with
the form of them. I didspend I did spend quite a lot of
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time, you know, trying tomake them quite you know equally. Look,
and I think I've kind of gotthere with him. Something to point
out here. I don't I don'tagain, I don't know if you'll be
able to see this on the camera, but when you're when you're actually doing
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any sort of construction like this,anything for any sort of leg, a
chair, leg a table, legdining table, anything like that, anything
that you want to be really strongwith a downward force, or even even
if you're going to span it betweenpoint A and point B. Horizontally.
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You want that grain to be niceand straight. So again, I don't
know if you can say this onthe video, but this, this grain
is nice and straight. Obviously youknow it runs nice and straight. So
the thing about this is that it'sit's very it's highly hilly, highly unlikely
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that there's going to be any snappingor fracturing anywhere along this leg, if
anything, the only place it wouldsnap, which I don't really think it
would, I think the top wouldbreak before before the legs would break.
I think it would be at thevery top where the where the chronical tenant,
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the tip of the conical tenant actuallygoes through the table top. So
just if again for those of youthat might be listening or those of you
that like kind of might be new, it would work. And so the
issue when you actually are you know, making a leg or whatever, if
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you if you pick a section oftimber and the grain is actually running out.
So again, running out basically meansthat the grain would, say,
I don't know for arguments, saythe grain would run quite straight, it
goes down to maybe halfway and thenall of a sudden it might just sweep
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out. It might sweep out withforty five degrees, so that that grain
is more is more liable to fractureat some point. You know, maybe
maybe the table is getting moved aroundfor whatever reason. You know, the
table could be lifted open, andyou know, something as simple as just
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dropping it on, you know,one leg can actually fraction legs. I
didn't actually say this on a chair. There was there was a lady along
the streets. She come knocking onthe door this this I think this was
about a year and a half ago, maybe maybe two years now. It
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was just before the Christmas I rememberanyway, and she basically come with the
chair and she says, says,listen, she says, Christmas. I'm
having people over for Christmas to night. It wasn't old lady, you know,
I think she's in our sixties.And she says she chased. She
says, I haven't got enough.She says, can you do anything with
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because obviously the majority of people inthe street know know that they would work.
And when I when I looked atthe at the leg, the leg
of the chair that had snapped,it was exactly that the grain, the
grain ran down and then it shotout about forty five degrees and what she
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had said. She said, oneof my grandchildren was sitting was sitting in
the chair and balancing on the twoback legs and and it's not you know
that it eventually fractured, and itwas it was quite a clean fracture.
I mean, there wasn't really muchI could do with it. So I
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basically, you know, I hadto make her new I didn't have to.
Obviously I chose to do it.But iose I chose to make I
am a new leg. It wasn'tmatching out the time I did see it.
I said, I can't make anew leg. I says, but
all I've got is walk. Soobviously I made our I made a new
ale leg. Obviously, you know, sent sent it back along. But
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it just goes to show you.I believe she had the chairs for a
couple of years, but it wasjust that slight too much, you know,
too much, you know, forceon on the on the on the
leg itself. I mean, Ibelieve the child was only small as well.
It was was only a young child, I want to say, a
six seven year old, you know, so there wasn't a lot of weight,
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but there was enough force, youknow, for the leg to give
away, so you know, especiallywith me saying that, you know and
kind of having a little bit ofknowledge, not a lot of knowledge,
but a little bit of knowledge aboutit. I kind of when I don't
make stuff like that now, Ido try to find, you know,
the best straight, straightest of grainsif possible. I know sometimes it's not
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always possible, but you know,if if you've got that sort of grain,
kind of use it. Look lookthrough your material and you know you
might be looking, you might getit. I mean, this is this
is actually a very very good example. It's it's super straight. It's like
really straight again. I hope youcan say on on the camera going back
to the going back to the stretchas obviously we have. I think you
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could call this maybe like a kindof a classical tea, a te stretcher
kind of you know, there hasseen a lot and furniture like this and
other forms of furniture. I thinkmost commonly you tend to see stretchers in
chairs, your wells, stick chairsthings like that, not necessarily well stick
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chairs, because there's actually a lotof examples of Welsh stick chairs where they've
got no stretchers. And Chris Swartz. He he argues that you don't need
them, and I do agree withhim. You don't really need stretchers if
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if the thickness of the of theseats of the table is of you know,
some substance. So this one,with it just being shy of thirty
inches, there's no way on earththat I could have got away with with
you know, kind of using thislike sorry, building it without you know,
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the stretchers, because see them again, I mean, this would only
have had like being pulled the wrongway. And as soon as them legs
kind of you know splay out,there's always there's always the possibility that air
the top of the tenants or oneof the tenants might snap, and there's
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also the possibility that you can actuallysplit the whole top and half. So
obviously with the stretchers, the stretchersare going to stop the legs spreading apart.
So these legs were set or allof the mortices and the tenants were
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set at fifteen graze that's fifteen degreesfrom vertical, So it's it's it's kind
of a really simple design, butit kind of it does work really well
because it's set of fifteen degrees andI know there's weight on it or it's
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getting pulled about. It's going towant to come to this to this orientation
of fifteen degrees. So obviously you'vegot the you've got the stretch as glued
in place, and it's it's justgonna it's going to stop. Help to
stop it from, you know,like spreading. Basically. Something else that
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I did deal with these is thatactually compressed the fibers. So when I
made them, they were were everso slightly well, they were out.
They were pretty tight actually, ifI'm honest. So what I've done,
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I drilled the hole. Obviously thecorresponding hole. I got it in a
scrap of a timber. I putthe towel in or the stretchers rather,
and I just forced it into thehole and I just started wiggling about.
I was able to do this withthe beach because obviously the beach, the
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steam beach is so strong. Ithink if you were going to do this
with oak or another timber, you'dhave to be really careful because there'd be
the possibility you'd snap the end off. But once I got it in,
just started literally wiggling at it about. And obviously I made that smaller.
So this is this helps us twofold. So firstly, if it's into the
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hole nice and easily and I'm notstruggling to get it in. One of
the issues with any sort of glowup, at least in my experience,
is that as soon as you putthat glue on PVA glue. I don't
think it's just as bad with likeheid glue, but with the with the
PVA glue is again, in myexperience, if something super tight, it's
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an absolute nightmare to get it in. And obviously that the glue, because
it's a tight fit, the gluejust starts grabbing straight away. I've done
this numerous times with dovetails. Idon't like glue and dovetails. It's stresses
us out because I like to havingme dove tails like a tight fit.
And obviously when you apply the glueand try to get the things in,
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it can be an absolute nightmare.But with this, this kind of work,
it's that kind of work in yourfavor. So because I've compressed it,
it's a nice tight fit. Butalso I know that the end of
the stretchers themselves before I compressed them, I know the like too tight I
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mean, I dare see I couldhave put them in and hammered them in.
They would have went in. Butthe thing with this is that once,
once, once the glue was appliedand everything was put together, the
moisture and the glue would have helpedto you know, kind of expands the
compressed fiber. So basically when theglue, the moisture of the glue inside
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it would have kind of expanded andit's going to give us a tighter fit.
So I kind of I kind oflike that. Similar things are done
with with conical tenants as well.So I know some of the old chair
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may as and table mate as andwhoever else used this construction. One of
the things I used to do wasthat they would they would dry the conical
tenant part. They wouldn't they wouldn'tbe too fussed about the rest of it,
but it would be more the chronicalchronicle pot, so they would dry
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it out. You know, I'veheard about some people using hot sand.
Basically it'll heat, will heat,They'll heat sand up and basically put the
you know, the the edge ofthe leg in or the all the chnical
of tenn and pot. And whatthis does just with the heat, it
basically dries the top of the chronicleof tennant out, takes all the moisture
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out of it. When you takeall the moisture out of wood, it
shrinks. So with a shrunk,you know, the kind of do a
final you know, a final cleanup of the leg, apply the glue
and walk in and it's the samesort of thing again. So obviously when
the moist shove the glue gets getsinto the wood where it's been really dried
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out, it'll it'll it'll suck thatmoisture back into it. And also it'll
start taking moisture out of the airas well because you've over dried it with
with the heat. And when it'sinside of the tabletop or the chair,
the chair seats, it's it startsexpanding and same again, it just gives
it a tighter a tighter fit,which which you want sort of thing.
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So I know that's I know that'sa trick like chair as have been using.
I want to say a couple ofhundred years, and I'm pretty sure
at least one hundred years. I'mpretty sure there's that sort of technique dates
back at least the eighteen hundreds.If anyone knows, leave a comment,
let everybody know. I'm not reallyone hundred percent with the history. So
(33:36):
the final thing that I probably wantedto add to this, and I think
this is probably more for more forthe beginners, is that whenever you're down
some sort of a table, anysort of leg, table, leg,
chair, leg, whatever, whatever, always make sure that you put some
(33:59):
sort of chamfarround the bottom of theleg. While I would be while I
would be a square leg or aown leg like this, what I actually
did, I just used fail.I just went around with a faile,
you know, nice and easy,nice and quick, nothing nothing special,
And it's it's just ever so youknow, it's only about like a two
(34:21):
millimeters kind of sham far round.No worry, it's kind of more like
a shamfar having. It might evenbe too MILLI maybe like one on like
one and a half millimeters. Butwhat this, what this helps to do,
is to minimize or it nearly probablywould stop any sort of splitting.
(34:44):
So when I see it splitting.The thing with chairs, when you when
you get a chair, or oranybody for that matter, if you watch,
if you watch anyone in a restaurantanywhere like that, I can almost
guarantee you, I think about ninetyfive people will get the chair by the
(35:06):
by the back rest and they willdrag it. They will not pick it
up, and they will not carryit out. They will grab grab the
back rest and they'll drag it out. So the problem with that is that
if you're dragging and pushing the chairor the table, whatever is that if
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it was if it was square andit was making perfect contact with with the
floor or whatever surface, there's alwaysthat possibility that it might split. It's
the same sort of thing as ifyou're let's just say you've got a piece
of material and advice and your yourangring planing. So what I like to
(35:52):
do, I like to put alittle chamfa, just a very small,
same same sort of thing, maybemaybe one one and a half one millimeters
in plane and the end grain.If I don't do that in the same
a game for anyone that's done this. So no, when you're playing along
and you reach you reach the endof that board. As soon as that
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blade hits the end of that board, I think it's it's it's about a
ninety percentage a chance that it's justgonna it's just gonna like take the material
out and you're gonna end up havinglike splits at the end of at the
end of the board. It's thesame sort of principle with legs. And
if you look at any sort oflike legs, I'm pretty sure I would
(36:37):
put money on it that the majorityof them are going to have some sort
of a chamfa to stop that fromhappening. So, guys, I'm gonna
wrap it up for the day.Really appreciate everyone that's the same time,
listened, commented, and for everyonethat's been following us on Instagram and so
on and so forth, really appreciateit. So if you don't actually want
(36:59):
to support the know, I knowI sound like a broken red word,
but you know, likeing and sharingit really does help the channel. As
I said, I'm gonna I'm gonnacall it for the day. So until
the next time, I shall seeand speak to you guys later
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