August 25, 2024 • 35 mins
In this weeks podcast, I cover some of the tools that can be a little awkward to sharpen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In today's podcast, I'm going to be talking about tools
objects that are a little bit oak a the Shortman Show. Well, say,
obviously this isn't extensive. There is a lot more tools
that can be class as oak at the short but
I am just going to cover a few just for
entertainment purposes. So I'm going to start off with this
(00:25):
little guy. Yeah, and this is the Vertus Rima. So
yesterday I did shorten it, and I have to be
honest with you, it's shortened quite well, and it's shot
and quite quickly. So the issue with this why it's
kind of on the list as oak a short and.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
See if I can get this on a camera.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So you've got a detachable blade that comes out, and
this detachable blade.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Is well got you. So that's just shy.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
If ten millimeters, it probably was ten millimeters at one time.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So the reason why this is so awkward is.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That you've basically got ten millimeters to hold the bloody thing,
get it at its set angle, and move it backwards
and forwards on in my case diamond plates. So, as
I said yesterday, this shot and really well, and the
shot and really quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I was very very surprised because I.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Looked at it and just by looking at it, there
was little nicks out of it, and I was like, oh,
you kind of need.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Short And.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
When I started making these chairs, which was forever ago,
and I've just gotten background progressing with them yesterday, which
ironically is the only day I want.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
To get because I have to go back to work. Ironically, but.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I knew that I had two more holes to realm,
and the last hole that I roomed with this veritor's realm,
it was struggling or struggling a lot. Not to mention
the fact that this is steamed beach. It's killing dried,
so it's like it's super, super tough this stuff, so.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It didn't need to be shortened. Normally with things.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Like this, it's like, uh, straight away in your brain,
it's going to be a hassle, it's going to be
a headache. I don't want to do it, but it
needs to be done. So, as I said, the issue
with is that you basically got ten millimeters to kind
of hold and then you've got to get the bevel.
(02:50):
So there's a big difference with getting the bevel on
something so small. So just to just to give you
some kind of what's the word I'm looking for here,
just to give you some comparison.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So to get a bevel with the rema, the.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Bevel is what we're saying there. My eyes are shoting.
I'm going to say the bevels just shy of till
milli meat as. So if we compare that to say,
Japanese chisel, so it's quite easy for us to get
(03:37):
the bevel on the Japanese chisel. So the comparison with
the bevel on the Japanese chisel, we're looking at.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What's up.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Thirteen millimeters, So you've got thirteen millimeat as of reference
compare to two millimeat as a reference. And as you
can imagine if you have never shot, when the vitor
is remat blade, there's a big difference. But as I
said yesterday, I was really fortunate, shot up really quick,
(04:12):
really well. And with this one, I haven't really got
any tips for you all out into Maybe take your time,
trying not to have any distractions, like I mean, and
don't be wearing earphones. I think lately I've been wearing
earphones a lot, but there's always there's always times where
(04:37):
I've got to take them off and I've got to
have I've got to have me hearing just so just
so I can I can hear it's It might sound
a bit stupid to some people, but if I can't
hear what's going on, because the will there will be
a change in tone, and a change in volumes sometimes
(04:57):
and just a different just a different sound all a gella.
When you're hitting the full bevel and you may be
hitting the edge, there is a difference, especially with chisels.
I've spoken about this a few times. With chisels, not
so much for the Japanese but a Western style chisel.
If you're putting a secondary bevel on, there will be
(05:18):
a difference between the primary bevel sound and your secondary
bebel sound. But I think probably that's the only tip
I can give on that is to take your time, listen.
Those of you that have got decent eyes will probably
be able to see well, it's making the bells making
full of contact are kind. I was relying on feeling
(05:42):
and listening with that one. So next up is me
little Aprin playing. So I absolutely love this plane.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I use it all the time, use it for you know,
maybe getting the end grain on smaller pieces, use it
for beveling, touching up stuff. It's really really handy. I
wouldn't be without one of these now. I think I've
heard about fifty quid for this one. But one of
(06:16):
the issues, probably the only issue I have with this,
is that the blade is so small. So the blade,
for those of you that are watching, is absolutely tiny.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So what gotcha?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That's fifty six millimeters So that's just over well, that's
what's that. That's nearly an inch and a quarter. Yeah, sorry,
two inches one quarter?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Is that right? Yeah? Two inches and a quarter And
the width of it is what we've got twenty two millimeters.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So one of the one of the issues with it
is it hasn't it's not so much the width. I
can't deal with the width of it. It's more the length.
So you know, I've got I've got small hands, but
even with smaller hands, I doill struggle to actually keep.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Hold of it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So you're using you use, or at least I use
my left hand to apply pressure onto the bevel, and
I'm using my right hand to try and keep the
angle and to push it backwards and forwards.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So it's pretty much just short ones like chisel.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Again in another podcast, I was explaining how a short
when we chisels and were playing blades now, and this
is the same sort of thing, but I can buy
a little bit fiddly. I think with this one. The
advice I would give if you've got something small like
this is that it would probably be better to use
(08:06):
a kind of a ninety degree stroke. What do I
mean by a ninety degree stroke? So or angles?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So what I mean by is that I'm just going
to have.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
The the blade itself ninety degrees to the edge of
the length of the diamond plate and just move it
backwards and forwards, the same sort of thing you would
do with a Japanese chisel. And I think that's probably
the best bit of advice I can give you on that.
(08:41):
Sometimes I do use that, but other times I will
just go backwards and forwards. I have gotten a little
bit better and kind of got the grips with shortening it,
but it can be all when it can be a
pain of times.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Next up is the blades for this guy.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
This is a cloud playing and not so much the
longer ones, but it tends to be the ones that
are shorten with and this applies to chisels as well.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And this is a prime example.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You guys probably kind of say it on the on
the screen, but this particular iron is actually skewed. It's
skewed quite a bit actually, and it shouldn't be skewed
like that. It should it should be ninety degrees. And
what this is, this is Maye Russian trying to get
(09:37):
it shot and quickly so I can get back to work.
And I've totally screwed the whole thing up. So it's
not a massive dealer. Just you know, I'm just gonna
have to work and and take this out, bring it
back to ninety degrees. So the problem with this is
that it is so fint of holes and you haven't
(09:58):
got a lot of bevel the whiff of its surf
surface mating area or reference. So what's this one? This
is a six millimeters so you haven't got a lot
of reference. And what I find is that it's it's
quite easy to go to the left and the right
(10:18):
with me because I'm applying pressure and I'm using me
left hand to apply the pressure. I am applying too
much pressure to the left, which is causing more pressure
to be applied on the left, which is which is
tilting the the eye and mortar left and causing downward skill,
(10:41):
if you will. So I'm pretty sure that I was
left handed and I was doing the opposite and using
your right hand to apply the pressure, and I probably
have had a skill going the opposite way.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So again with it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Matter if it's if it's the the blade or if
it's a thin chisel. These these can be oak and
it can be very frustrating. Sometimes I'll forget myself a
bit a bit too a bit too confident in myself
for sharpening and just get it done nice and quick,
(11:19):
pulling yourself away to go back to work, and then
you kind of look at your edge, you know, and
it can be really frustrating. So I think with smaller
widths of playing irons or or chisels, it's probably just
best just to take your time and to just bring
(11:42):
the plane iron up up to your face, maybe in
the lights, and just kind of see where you are,
see what's happening, and obviously where you're with a burr
on the back side. As I said, it's so easy
to knock these out the square and if you're creating
I don't know, maybe you create a shallow rebate anything
(12:04):
like that, or you're creating a grooving for whatever reason,
you need that groove to be ninety degrees at the bottom.
It's going to kind of mess things up. So you
know you don't have to be careful when you're shopping these.
As I said, I would definitely recommend that you don't
take its ninety degrees to the side of the diamond
(12:27):
plates or the water stone and shopping it as you
would a Japanese chisel or kind of blade.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I definitely wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I have tried it, and with the blade being so
so thin in width, it is easy to rocket, so
you're kind of getting the same sort of thing. So
I personally think it's better if you take it to
and from yourself and just try to apply and equal
force either side. I know it can be difficult, and
(13:01):
as I said, just visually look at the edge and
see where you are. So if you if you're going
out square one side, and don't be too cocky like
I get sometimes, and make sure you take your time
and check.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Next up is the travisher, so.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Just by looking at it, he can tell what the
issue is with this what I have, and it is
because the blade is rounded, so I've got very very
very little experience in short and sharpening this type of blade,
like around the blade. So what I will use for
(13:44):
this is basically a piece of doubl maybe maybe a peg,
and I'll work your way through grits of sandpaper. Ironically
I haven't got the grits here, But what I would
do with this is that I would use mark a
black marker, and I would completely cover the bevel and
(14:07):
as I said, I would work your weigh down the
bevel with some sort of a dowel or peg, most
likely most likely a peg, just just like one of
me Roman work bench pegs, you know, just wrap some
sandpape around it and worn't you weigh down the grid.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So this is a little bit time consuming with these,
but this particular travisher.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
For for seats, I don't know if it's gonna work
so well on the beach, just with a beach being tough.
But using this on oak, this can remove so much material,
especially obviously if you're putting like a full saddle in
a traditional seats, which which I've done this this was.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Just removed with the oak.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
At least, this was removing so much material, but Obviously
it has to be off to pay to that, but
it is worth taking the time to actually get one
of these, one of these nice and shop just so
you're able to take off a lot of material if
you need to take off a lot of material. As
I said, with this one, with me at least, I've
(15:19):
just got to take me time and just go through
the different grits. As I said, it's a little bit
of time consuming, but it is what it is. Next
up is the spokeshave so obvious again with the spokeshave.
The only issue with a spokeshave is that it is
(15:43):
it is just short. You know, there's no rhyme or
reason to it. Normally with a spokeshave. I don't personally
struggle too much, but I have heard a lot of
people do struggle, and that's why I've included it in
the list today. So what I do with this same again,
I use it the same or shorten it the same
(16:05):
way as what I would shop in the Japanese chisel.
And there is another method I have seen Paul Sellers.
Paul Sellers made a made a bit of a jig
where basically the blade will register on a thin piece
of wood and you use the the cap the lot
(16:26):
and cap on the spokeshave to lock the the iron
onto the scrap piece of world or the jig. And
what this allows you to do. This allows you to
shorten it the same way you was shot. And you
know one of your one of your plane blades. So
(16:49):
if you don't have one of those jigs and you
don't want to make one of those jigs, I would
just say, or maybe you just want to practice, you know,
not using the jigs so you know you don't have
to ball out with jigs. When you need a short
one of these, you can just wip it out, get
a shorten and be back working like you know, like
five minutes, a few minutes or something like that. So
(17:11):
what I would advise again, just shorten the same way
you would shot when the Japanese chisel or Canna blade,
which basically means.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
If this was the edge of the.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Diamond plate length wars, you would just run the chisel,
the edge of the chisel parallel with the edge length
ways of the diamond played and just move it backwards
and forwards.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And I find that is enough for me.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Next up is a handheld router. So this isn't electric
route of course, for those of you that are listening,
I'm not talking.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
About an electric router.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So another name for these routers is called or the
name of it is called a granny's tooth. So you know,
you can imagine a grantity and all granny's tooth, you know,
like back one hundred years ago or whatever, you know,
like kind of hanging out, and I think that's I
(18:13):
think that's where the she comes from. But as you
can say, if you're watching this on YouTube, it's basically
an L shape, so it can buy a little bit awkward.
You do have to take your time. So for anyone interested,
I did recently just do a video on how A
(18:36):
shortened one of these and how I use one. It's
not extensive, but it is enough and it does show
you how to shot one of these, which is probably
the most important part. So with these, again, these can
be really frustrating and it can be a little bit
of time consuming.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So the way the way I shot one.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Of these again, as I've as I've stayed, it's just
it's just time consuming. You have got to take your time.
So I'll basically run this on the edge of the
the diamond plates.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So the way my diamond plates.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Are orientated, so I will show you guys. So this
is my setup I've showed. I've showed everybody numerous times.
So the thing with this is that the diamond plates
are a poxyed to apply would so it means I
can't take them off, which for the most part isn't a.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Problem until you start shot and stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So what I'm able to do, I am able to
on the extra course. In the extra fine, I'm able
to use the full length because it doesn't interfere with
anything and run along the full length, just.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Backwards and forwards.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And it's the same on the extra fine. So the
issue I have is actually going through the other two
diamond stones. So again, time hunts human. I've basically just
got to use the very foot on the very heel
of the diamond plate, you know, and I've just got
to go backwards and forwards.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And as I said, it just takes time.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So I think the only advice and tips I could
give you on this would be to watch the video.
If you don't know how to shot in one of these,
and patients, just have some patience with it, mind you
would it takes a long time to get some patients
with this one.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So next up is going to be.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The drawn knife.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I don't use the draw knife a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Probably the only time I use the draw knife will
be when I'm shaping round legs pretty much like the
round legs should be able to say on on camera now,
so you know, i'd use it for making chronical tenants
and obviously just removing.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
A lot of material.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Although I have to be honest with this beach because
it's so tough. It did struggle. I mean, traditionally these
sort of chairs were made with greenwood. The legs, you know,
the we're all of green there were roughed out, left
to dry and then you know, finished finally, So I
don't really think they were designed so much for using
(21:37):
with you know this this type of really you know,
dance hard wood, but you know it does work, so
you know they'll use it. So it was only yesterday
when I'm shot on this. So for some people, what
I've heard anywhere is that it can be extremely difficult.
And I did the with visual and short with one
(21:58):
of these quite some time ago.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So what I like to do.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Or what I had to do yesterday, which I don't
always have to do but I wasn't too particularly happy
with the angle of the bevel.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I thought the bevel was a bit too a cute.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So basically that means myself, I've been sharpening too steep
with an angle and I wasn't particularly happy with the angle.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So I did all the angle.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And what I actually done, I actually put this on
the corner of the bench and clamped it down. So again,
if yous are watching on YouTube, you'll you'll be able
to see what I mean. So it basically got clamped
at this corner, and I then came in from the
front the cutting edge and started filing some of the
(22:50):
heel off. So I don't always do that obviously, it's
you know, it's periodically if I do kind of you know,
all the all the angle of the bevel, which I'm
a lot more. What's what's the word I'm looking for you,
(23:12):
I kind of think of the right words. Yeah, basically
I'm watching out that I don't, you know, put too
much of a shallow angle on it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
This is the cross the board.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
This is with my chisels, me playing irons and obviously
this guy. So with that out of the way, and
again I don't do that all the time. What I
what I tend to use, well, what I do use,
I don't use anything else. Is I'm using a an ice?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Not nice?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And an axe is an axe puck, I believe the cold.
So basically an ice I want to see. I don't
know why I want to see ice. An axe puck
is what it sounds like. It's it's basically like a pug.
(24:06):
What you would say, and I don't know is it?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Is it ice hockey?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
We don't really play like a lot of ice hockey
in the northeast of England. But yeah, so it's it's
like a puck. And this is a double sided one.
So on one side.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's what is it? It is.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
One hundred and twenty greats and on the other side
it is friends and twenty great So it is actually
a big jump in the terms of grit because what
I tend to do. I tend to go from the
the one twenty obviously to the free twenty and then
(24:45):
I jumped straight away to Westrop and it is a
big jump in grits. But jumping to this rather than
not like kind of discluding this, I feel that it
benefits it. Obviously there's arguments against them, for it. So
(25:07):
what I'll actually do again I did, I did a
deal with video on this. I'll actually took this into
your ribs, so I'm holding more of the handles with
the the other handle into your ribs, so it's just
underneath me peck here, and the the cutting edge is
(25:28):
pointing in towards me belly button. And basically I'll just
have the blade and I'll just be using circular motions.
Obviously I'll use the horse shark side and and use
the final side, and I just go backwards and forwards.
And what I do with this this is an actual
(25:51):
a con a convex course. So I talked about this
in me in my sharpening podcast done whenever I've done it.
So basically, a convex is where you'll have a belly,
not a beig confused with a Hang on a minute,
I am confusing myself here. Yes, a convex is kind
(26:15):
of an outward arc, and a con cave is one
is an arc that will go in on itself, if
that makes sense. So a concave is kind of a
bit more like a skateboard ramp, and a cononvex is
kind of a bit more like the edge of a hill,
if that makes sense. So that's that's the type of
(26:35):
thing that I'll do one. Yeah, I have seen people
use these, will shorten these on wet stones. I want
to say, I don't think it was a dim and player.
I have seen a few people use it like that.
So basically, as as I was saying, once i've once
(26:58):
i've a you know, made a bar at the back,
I'll just turn the whole thing over. I'll pull the
bear off, you know, like go and you know, I'll
basically won't touch the edge and then just pull pull,
pull all the way along and then I'll give it
a bit of a circular motion just to make sure
all the bear is off the back or folded back over.
(27:21):
Then I'll take it straight to the strop, put the
strap on a rubber matt.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Which is we preferred method. It doesn't move.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And basically what I'll do Sae if I'll give you
a little bit of a demonstration on camera. Here he
benches a little bit chopped here, So I'll just go
from from left to right this I do actually need
(27:51):
to bring this a little bit, see if I can
get it up. Yeah, So I don't need at this
against the pegs. This peg going to be long enough,
let's try it it maybe, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So what I'll do.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Is I'll take it from the left and slide it
skew it to the right, if that makes sense. So
I'm starting at the left side of the blade, and
as I'm pushing it forward, I'm also pulling it to
the left, so by the time I finish, the right
hand side of the blade is fully onto the least strop.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So it's the same again.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
When I'm doing it, I might do, you know, anywhere
from twenty to forty strokes. So once the top's being done,
then if you want to which is a bit more steady,
you can actually just pop it down and it's exactly
the same again when I'm doing the back, because the
back is straight. I know it's not straight on all.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Drawn out.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Obviously there is curve drawnives, but the one I've got
is a flat straw kave, so this is how our
shorten it. Last on the list is some tennant cutters,
so I've only got the two tenant cutters or double
make as.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
They do do the two tasks.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So the difference between these so this is five ifs
and I've got a free earfs shot. The difference between
these is that the free earfs has got a combat blade.
I'm not sure why it's got a combat blade. I've
never really looked at it's just got a combat blade.
It was both like this. I didn't put a Comba
blade on it. This was brand new from the factory.
(29:42):
And this guy, Yeah, he's got a straight edge on it.
And that's the five efs.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's possibly because.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
This is a little bit bigger, I'm guessing, and with
this being small, it's just better have the combay blair on.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's the guess.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
By the way, So the issue with shortened and there's
not so much the not so much the square blade
wanted pretty much just shot out the same way is
what I would shot in the spokeshaves, so that one
isn't too much of an issue. This guy, however, the
Kamba blade is is a little bit problematic. It can
(30:23):
be a little bit problematic. I haven't shot in this
for a while. The same Again, I don't use these
a lot, but obviously when I do use them, it's
nice to have them. So again, a kind of sharpen
this in the same fashion as spoke shave, but with
the added what word would suit this? Should we say challenge?
(30:50):
The added challenge of the camba just means it's just
not as it's not as steady backwards and forwards. So
I can't quite remember, to be honest with you, but
if memory serves us right, which I'm I'm a little
bit hazy about it, I don't believe I use a
circular motion with the kamba blade with it being so short.
(31:13):
So basically, I'll get me I'll get me bevel kind
of where where I want it to be and how
how to describe this for people that are listening. So
basically we have been combat. I'm going to start on
one side, so I typically use my free fingers, and
(31:34):
again this is from a little bit of hazy memory,
but from what I can remember with the circular motion,
so I'll use my first finger. So I'm putting more
I'm putting more pressure on one side of the combat blade.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
So this is going to be.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
The if the backs facing up towards us, it's going
to be the left side of the blade. So you know,
I'm going to give it a few circles and then
apply more pressure to the center of the blade, which
is my second finger, and obviously, that's that's gonna lift
the two ends of the blade off the diamond stone,
(32:15):
and it's going to put more pressure and sharpening and
the middle of the blade. And then obviously do the
same with my third finger, and that's gonna put more
pressure onto the right hand side of the blade and
basically tilt the whole blade up. And it's just going
to be a backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards. So
(32:38):
you know, me saying that it sounds it sounds really simple,
doesn't it. But in the past I have I have
to admit, I have struggled sharpened in this one.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
It can be a little bit problematic. Obviously I've got.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
A lot more experience and shortening now. Obviously I've been
shorten than me own tools for quite a number of
years now. So when I do eventually come back to
shortening this, which I'm guessing might be the next time
I use it, hopefully I should get it done in
good time. I don't necessarily mind shortening these oak tools,
(33:12):
or any tool for that matter, when it needs to
be shortened. The my ethos around it is get it
shortened and get back to doing what you were doing
as quickly as possible or in good time show we'll see.
I think that's a better statement, in good time. So
you know, I'm quite proficient to shorten them. You Western
(33:34):
chisels and me me, me playing blades, so pretty much
with me number four, let's just say it needs short
when at the moment it does actually need short and
I can pretty much get this out of the plane, shortened,
(33:55):
honed back in the plane, set back up in play,
and within about five minutes, maybe a little bit less.
So for me, that's good time. And that's that's how
I like to work work with with tools with sharpening
and needs sharping and buy all me and shortening. But
again I like to be doing what I was doing
(34:17):
in the first place, and it's it's tools like these
or at least for me, a little a little slow
me down in it, and it can be a little
bit for like frustrating for me.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
So as I said.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
At the start, there's there's numerous tools that's you know,
can slow you down or be awkward to shop and
be frustrating. I mean, maybe orga bits. I think I've
done a video on that as well, So there is
another video on that if you want to check that out.
I'm not gonna go into the orga bit thing because
(34:53):
i feel like I've rathered it on a little bit
too much today. But what do you guys struggle with
I'd be keen to know what you guys struggle with shortening,
or maybe not so much struggle, maybe what do you
find frustrating to shortmen? So if you leave a comment
and let everybody know, I would be interested to read those,
(35:14):
and until the next time I shall speak and say
you guys later.
In today's podcast, I'm going to be talking about tools
objects that are a little bit oak a the Shortman Show. Well, say,
obviously this isn't extensive. There is a lot more tools
that can be class as oak at the short but
I am just going to cover a few just for
entertainment purposes. So I'm going to start off with this
(00:25):
little guy. Yeah, and this is the Vertus Rima. So
yesterday I did shorten it, and I have to be
honest with you, it's shortened quite well, and it's shot
and quite quickly. So the issue with this why it's
kind of on the list as oak a short and.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
See if I can get this on a camera.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So you've got a detachable blade that comes out, and
this detachable blade.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Is well got you. So that's just shy.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
If ten millimeters, it probably was ten millimeters at one time.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So the reason why this is so awkward is.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That you've basically got ten millimeters to hold the bloody thing,
get it at its set angle, and move it backwards
and forwards on in my case diamond plates. So, as
I said yesterday, this shot and really well, and the
shot and really quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I was very very surprised because I.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Looked at it and just by looking at it, there
was little nicks out of it, and I was like, oh,
you kind of need.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Short And.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
When I started making these chairs, which was forever ago,
and I've just gotten background progressing with them yesterday, which
ironically is the only day I want.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
To get because I have to go back to work. Ironically, but.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I knew that I had two more holes to realm,
and the last hole that I roomed with this veritor's realm,
it was struggling or struggling a lot. Not to mention
the fact that this is steamed beach. It's killing dried,
so it's like it's super, super tough this stuff, so.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It didn't need to be shortened. Normally with things.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Like this, it's like, uh, straight away in your brain,
it's going to be a hassle, it's going to be
a headache. I don't want to do it, but it
needs to be done. So, as I said, the issue
with is that you basically got ten millimeters to kind
of hold and then you've got to get the bevel.
(02:50):
So there's a big difference with getting the bevel on
something so small. So just to just to give you
some kind of what's the word I'm looking for here,
just to give you some comparison.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So to get a bevel with the rema, the.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Bevel is what we're saying there. My eyes are shoting.
I'm going to say the bevels just shy of till
milli meat as. So if we compare that to say,
Japanese chisel, so it's quite easy for us to get
(03:37):
the bevel on the Japanese chisel. So the comparison with
the bevel on the Japanese chisel, we're looking at.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
What's up.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Thirteen millimeters, So you've got thirteen millimeat as of reference
compare to two millimeat as a reference. And as you
can imagine if you have never shot, when the vitor
is remat blade, there's a big difference. But as I
said yesterday, I was really fortunate, shot up really quick,
(04:12):
really well. And with this one, I haven't really got
any tips for you all out into Maybe take your time,
trying not to have any distractions, like I mean, and
don't be wearing earphones. I think lately I've been wearing
earphones a lot, but there's always there's always times where
(04:37):
I've got to take them off and I've got to
have I've got to have me hearing just so just
so I can I can hear it's It might sound
a bit stupid to some people, but if I can't
hear what's going on, because the will there will be
a change in tone, and a change in volumes sometimes
(04:57):
and just a different just a different sound all a gella.
When you're hitting the full bevel and you may be
hitting the edge, there is a difference, especially with chisels.
I've spoken about this a few times. With chisels, not
so much for the Japanese but a Western style chisel.
If you're putting a secondary bevel on, there will be
(05:18):
a difference between the primary bevel sound and your secondary
bebel sound. But I think probably that's the only tip
I can give on that is to take your time, listen.
Those of you that have got decent eyes will probably
be able to see well, it's making the bells making
full of contact are kind. I was relying on feeling
(05:42):
and listening with that one. So next up is me
little Aprin playing. So I absolutely love this plane.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I use it all the time, use it for you know,
maybe getting the end grain on smaller pieces, use it
for beveling, touching up stuff. It's really really handy. I
wouldn't be without one of these now. I think I've
heard about fifty quid for this one. But one of
(06:16):
the issues, probably the only issue I have with this,
is that the blade is so small. So the blade,
for those of you that are watching, is absolutely tiny.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So what gotcha?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That's fifty six millimeters So that's just over well, that's
what's that. That's nearly an inch and a quarter. Yeah, sorry,
two inches one quarter?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Is that right? Yeah? Two inches and a quarter And
the width of it is what we've got twenty two millimeters.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So one of the one of the issues with it
is it hasn't it's not so much the width. I
can't deal with the width of it. It's more the length.
So you know, I've got I've got small hands, but
even with smaller hands, I doill struggle to actually keep.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Hold of it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So you're using you use, or at least I use
my left hand to apply pressure onto the bevel, and
I'm using my right hand to try and keep the
angle and to push it backwards and forwards.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So it's pretty much just short ones like chisel.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Again in another podcast, I was explaining how a short
when we chisels and were playing blades now, and this
is the same sort of thing, but I can buy
a little bit fiddly. I think with this one. The
advice I would give if you've got something small like
this is that it would probably be better to use
(08:06):
a kind of a ninety degree stroke. What do I
mean by a ninety degree stroke? So or angles?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So what I mean by is that I'm just going
to have.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
The the blade itself ninety degrees to the edge of
the length of the diamond plate and just move it
backwards and forwards, the same sort of thing you would
do with a Japanese chisel. And I think that's probably
the best bit of advice I can give you on that.
(08:41):
Sometimes I do use that, but other times I will
just go backwards and forwards. I have gotten a little
bit better and kind of got the grips with shortening it,
but it can be all when it can be a
pain of times.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Next up is the blades for this guy.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
This is a cloud playing and not so much the
longer ones, but it tends to be the ones that
are shorten with and this applies to chisels as well.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And this is a prime example.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You guys probably kind of say it on the on
the screen, but this particular iron is actually skewed. It's
skewed quite a bit actually, and it shouldn't be skewed
like that. It should it should be ninety degrees. And
what this is, this is Maye Russian trying to get
(09:37):
it shot and quickly so I can get back to work.
And I've totally screwed the whole thing up. So it's
not a massive dealer. Just you know, I'm just gonna
have to work and and take this out, bring it
back to ninety degrees. So the problem with this is
that it is so fint of holes and you haven't
(09:58):
got a lot of bevel the whiff of its surf
surface mating area or reference. So what's this one? This
is a six millimeters so you haven't got a lot
of reference. And what I find is that it's it's
quite easy to go to the left and the right
(10:18):
with me because I'm applying pressure and I'm using me
left hand to apply the pressure. I am applying too
much pressure to the left, which is causing more pressure
to be applied on the left, which is which is
tilting the the eye and mortar left and causing downward skill,
(10:41):
if you will. So I'm pretty sure that I was
left handed and I was doing the opposite and using
your right hand to apply the pressure, and I probably
have had a skill going the opposite way.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So again with it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Matter if it's if it's the the blade or if
it's a thin chisel. These these can be oak and
it can be very frustrating. Sometimes I'll forget myself a
bit a bit too a bit too confident in myself
for sharpening and just get it done nice and quick,
(11:19):
pulling yourself away to go back to work, and then
you kind of look at your edge, you know, and
it can be really frustrating. So I think with smaller
widths of playing irons or or chisels, it's probably just
best just to take your time and to just bring
(11:42):
the plane iron up up to your face, maybe in
the lights, and just kind of see where you are,
see what's happening, and obviously where you're with a burr
on the back side. As I said, it's so easy
to knock these out the square and if you're creating
I don't know, maybe you create a shallow rebate anything
(12:04):
like that, or you're creating a grooving for whatever reason,
you need that groove to be ninety degrees at the bottom.
It's going to kind of mess things up. So you
know you don't have to be careful when you're shopping these.
As I said, I would definitely recommend that you don't
take its ninety degrees to the side of the diamond
(12:27):
plates or the water stone and shopping it as you
would a Japanese chisel or kind of blade.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I definitely wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I have tried it, and with the blade being so
so thin in width, it is easy to rocket, so
you're kind of getting the same sort of thing. So
I personally think it's better if you take it to
and from yourself and just try to apply and equal
force either side. I know it can be difficult, and
(13:01):
as I said, just visually look at the edge and
see where you are. So if you if you're going
out square one side, and don't be too cocky like
I get sometimes, and make sure you take your time
and check.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Next up is the travisher, so.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Just by looking at it, he can tell what the
issue is with this what I have, and it is
because the blade is rounded, so I've got very very
very little experience in short and sharpening this type of blade,
like around the blade. So what I will use for
(13:44):
this is basically a piece of doubl maybe maybe a peg,
and I'll work your way through grits of sandpaper. Ironically
I haven't got the grits here, But what I would
do with this is that I would use mark a
black marker, and I would completely cover the bevel and
(14:07):
as I said, I would work your weigh down the
bevel with some sort of a dowel or peg, most
likely most likely a peg, just just like one of
me Roman work bench pegs, you know, just wrap some
sandpape around it and worn't you weigh down the grid.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So this is a little bit time consuming with these,
but this particular travisher.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
For for seats, I don't know if it's gonna work
so well on the beach, just with a beach being tough.
But using this on oak, this can remove so much material,
especially obviously if you're putting like a full saddle in
a traditional seats, which which I've done this this was.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Just removed with the oak.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
At least, this was removing so much material, but Obviously
it has to be off to pay to that, but
it is worth taking the time to actually get one
of these, one of these nice and shop just so
you're able to take off a lot of material if
you need to take off a lot of material. As
I said, with this one, with me at least, I've
(15:19):
just got to take me time and just go through
the different grits. As I said, it's a little bit
of time consuming, but it is what it is. Next
up is the spokeshave so obvious again with the spokeshave.
The only issue with a spokeshave is that it is
(15:43):
it is just short. You know, there's no rhyme or
reason to it. Normally with a spokeshave. I don't personally
struggle too much, but I have heard a lot of
people do struggle, and that's why I've included it in
the list today. So what I do with this same again,
I use it the same or shorten it the same
(16:05):
way as what I would shop in the Japanese chisel.
And there is another method I have seen Paul Sellers.
Paul Sellers made a made a bit of a jig
where basically the blade will register on a thin piece
of wood and you use the the cap the lot
(16:26):
and cap on the spokeshave to lock the the iron
onto the scrap piece of world or the jig. And
what this allows you to do. This allows you to
shorten it the same way you was shot. And you
know one of your one of your plane blades. So
(16:49):
if you don't have one of those jigs and you
don't want to make one of those jigs, I would
just say, or maybe you just want to practice, you know,
not using the jigs so you know you don't have
to ball out with jigs. When you need a short
one of these, you can just wip it out, get
a shorten and be back working like you know, like
five minutes, a few minutes or something like that. So
(17:11):
what I would advise again, just shorten the same way
you would shot when the Japanese chisel or Canna blade,
which basically means.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
If this was the edge of the.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Diamond plate length wars, you would just run the chisel,
the edge of the chisel parallel with the edge length
ways of the diamond played and just move it backwards
and forwards.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And I find that is enough for me.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Next up is a handheld router. So this isn't electric
route of course, for those of you that are listening,
I'm not talking.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
About an electric router.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So another name for these routers is called or the
name of it is called a granny's tooth. So you know,
you can imagine a grantity and all granny's tooth, you know,
like back one hundred years ago or whatever, you know,
like kind of hanging out, and I think that's I
(18:13):
think that's where the she comes from. But as you
can say, if you're watching this on YouTube, it's basically
an L shape, so it can buy a little bit awkward.
You do have to take your time. So for anyone interested,
I did recently just do a video on how A
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shortened one of these and how I use one. It's
not extensive, but it is enough and it does show
you how to shot one of these, which is probably
the most important part. So with these, again, these can
be really frustrating and it can be a little bit
of time consuming.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So the way the way I shot one.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Of these again, as I've as I've stayed, it's just
it's just time consuming. You have got to take your time.
So I'll basically run this on the edge of the
the diamond plates.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So the way my diamond plates.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Are orientated, so I will show you guys. So this
is my setup I've showed. I've showed everybody numerous times.
So the thing with this is that the diamond plates
are a poxyed to apply would so it means I
can't take them off, which for the most part isn't a.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Problem until you start shot and stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So what I'm able to do, I am able to
on the extra course. In the extra fine, I'm able
to use the full length because it doesn't interfere with
anything and run along the full length, just.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Backwards and forwards.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And it's the same on the extra fine. So the
issue I have is actually going through the other two
diamond stones. So again, time hunts human. I've basically just
got to use the very foot on the very heel
of the diamond plate, you know, and I've just got
to go backwards and forwards.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And as I said, it just takes time.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So I think the only advice and tips I could
give you on this would be to watch the video.
If you don't know how to shot in one of these,
and patients, just have some patience with it, mind you
would it takes a long time to get some patients
with this one.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
So next up is going to be.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The drawn knife.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I don't use the draw knife a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Probably the only time I use the draw knife will
be when I'm shaping round legs pretty much like the
round legs should be able to say on on camera now,
so you know, i'd use it for making chronical tenants
and obviously just removing.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
A lot of material.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Although I have to be honest with this beach because
it's so tough. It did struggle. I mean, traditionally these
sort of chairs were made with greenwood. The legs, you know,
the we're all of green there were roughed out, left
to dry and then you know, finished finally, So I
don't really think they were designed so much for using
(21:37):
with you know this this type of really you know,
dance hard wood, but you know it does work, so
you know they'll use it. So it was only yesterday
when I'm shot on this. So for some people, what
I've heard anywhere is that it can be extremely difficult.
And I did the with visual and short with one
(21:58):
of these quite some time ago.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So what I like to do.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Or what I had to do yesterday, which I don't
always have to do but I wasn't too particularly happy
with the angle of the bevel.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I thought the bevel was a bit too a cute.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So basically that means myself, I've been sharpening too steep
with an angle and I wasn't particularly happy with the angle.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So I did all the angle.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And what I actually done, I actually put this on
the corner of the bench and clamped it down. So again,
if yous are watching on YouTube, you'll you'll be able
to see what I mean. So it basically got clamped
at this corner, and I then came in from the
front the cutting edge and started filing some of the
(22:50):
heel off. So I don't always do that obviously, it's
you know, it's periodically if I do kind of you know,
all the all the angle of the bevel, which I'm
a lot more. What's what's the word I'm looking for you,
(23:12):
I kind of think of the right words. Yeah, basically
I'm watching out that I don't, you know, put too
much of a shallow angle on it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
This is the cross the board.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
This is with my chisels, me playing irons and obviously
this guy. So with that out of the way, and
again I don't do that all the time. What I
what I tend to use, well, what I do use,
I don't use anything else. Is I'm using a an ice?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Not nice?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And an axe is an axe puck, I believe the cold.
So basically an ice I want to see. I don't
know why I want to see ice. An axe puck
is what it sounds like. It's it's basically like a pug.
(24:06):
What you would say, and I don't know is it?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Is it ice hockey?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
We don't really play like a lot of ice hockey
in the northeast of England. But yeah, so it's it's
like a puck. And this is a double sided one.
So on one side.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's what is it? It is.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
One hundred and twenty greats and on the other side
it is friends and twenty great So it is actually
a big jump in the terms of grit because what
I tend to do. I tend to go from the
the one twenty obviously to the free twenty and then
(24:45):
I jumped straight away to Westrop and it is a
big jump in grits. But jumping to this rather than
not like kind of discluding this, I feel that it
benefits it. Obviously there's arguments against them, for it. So
(25:07):
what I'll actually do again I did, I did a
deal with video on this. I'll actually took this into
your ribs, so I'm holding more of the handles with
the the other handle into your ribs, so it's just
underneath me peck here, and the the cutting edge is
(25:28):
pointing in towards me belly button. And basically I'll just
have the blade and I'll just be using circular motions.
Obviously I'll use the horse shark side and and use
the final side, and I just go backwards and forwards.
And what I do with this this is an actual
(25:51):
a con a convex course. So I talked about this
in me in my sharpening podcast done whenever I've done it.
So basically, a convex is where you'll have a belly,
not a beig confused with a Hang on a minute,
I am confusing myself here. Yes, a convex is kind
(26:15):
of an outward arc, and a con cave is one
is an arc that will go in on itself, if
that makes sense. So a concave is kind of a
bit more like a skateboard ramp, and a cononvex is
kind of a bit more like the edge of a hill,
if that makes sense. So that's that's the type of
(26:35):
thing that I'll do one. Yeah, I have seen people
use these, will shorten these on wet stones. I want
to say, I don't think it was a dim and player.
I have seen a few people use it like that.
So basically, as as I was saying, once i've once
(26:58):
i've a you know, made a bar at the back,
I'll just turn the whole thing over. I'll pull the
bear off, you know, like go and you know, I'll
basically won't touch the edge and then just pull pull,
pull all the way along and then I'll give it
a bit of a circular motion just to make sure
all the bear is off the back or folded back over.
(27:21):
Then I'll take it straight to the strop, put the
strap on a rubber matt.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Which is we preferred method. It doesn't move.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And basically what I'll do Sae if I'll give you
a little bit of a demonstration on camera. Here he
benches a little bit chopped here, So I'll just go
from from left to right this I do actually need
(27:51):
to bring this a little bit, see if I can
get it up. Yeah, So I don't need at this
against the pegs. This peg going to be long enough,
let's try it it maybe, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So what I'll do.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Is I'll take it from the left and slide it
skew it to the right, if that makes sense. So
I'm starting at the left side of the blade, and
as I'm pushing it forward, I'm also pulling it to
the left, so by the time I finish, the right
hand side of the blade is fully onto the least strop.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So it's the same again.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
When I'm doing it, I might do, you know, anywhere
from twenty to forty strokes. So once the top's being done,
then if you want to which is a bit more steady,
you can actually just pop it down and it's exactly
the same again when I'm doing the back, because the
back is straight. I know it's not straight on all.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Drawn out.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Obviously there is curve drawnives, but the one I've got
is a flat straw kave, so this is how our
shorten it. Last on the list is some tennant cutters,
so I've only got the two tenant cutters or double
make as.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
They do do the two tasks.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So the difference between these so this is five ifs
and I've got a free earfs shot. The difference between
these is that the free earfs has got a combat blade.
I'm not sure why it's got a combat blade. I've
never really looked at it's just got a combat blade.
It was both like this. I didn't put a Comba
blade on it. This was brand new from the factory.
(29:42):
And this guy, Yeah, he's got a straight edge on it.
And that's the five efs.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's possibly because.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
This is a little bit bigger, I'm guessing, and with
this being small, it's just better have the combay blair on.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
That's the guess.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
By the way, So the issue with shortened and there's
not so much the not so much the square blade
wanted pretty much just shot out the same way is
what I would shot in the spokeshaves, so that one
isn't too much of an issue. This guy, however, the
Kamba blade is is a little bit problematic. It can
(30:23):
be a little bit problematic. I haven't shot in this
for a while. The same Again, I don't use these
a lot, but obviously when I do use them, it's
nice to have them. So again, a kind of sharpen
this in the same fashion as spoke shave, but with
the added what word would suit this? Should we say challenge?
(30:50):
The added challenge of the camba just means it's just
not as it's not as steady backwards and forwards. So
I can't quite remember, to be honest with you, but
if memory serves us right, which I'm I'm a little
bit hazy about it, I don't believe I use a
circular motion with the kamba blade with it being so short.
(31:13):
So basically, I'll get me I'll get me bevel kind
of where where I want it to be and how
how to describe this for people that are listening. So
basically we have been combat. I'm going to start on
one side, so I typically use my free fingers, and
(31:34):
again this is from a little bit of hazy memory,
but from what I can remember with the circular motion,
so I'll use my first finger. So I'm putting more
I'm putting more pressure on one side of the combat blade.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
So this is going to be.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
The if the backs facing up towards us, it's going
to be the left side of the blade. So you know,
I'm going to give it a few circles and then
apply more pressure to the center of the blade, which
is my second finger, and obviously, that's that's gonna lift
the two ends of the blade off the diamond stone,
(32:15):
and it's going to put more pressure and sharpening and
the middle of the blade. And then obviously do the
same with my third finger, and that's gonna put more
pressure onto the right hand side of the blade and
basically tilt the whole blade up. And it's just going
to be a backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards. So
(32:38):
you know, me saying that it sounds it sounds really simple,
doesn't it. But in the past I have I have
to admit, I have struggled sharpened in this one.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
It can be a little bit problematic. Obviously I've got.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
A lot more experience and shortening now. Obviously I've been
shorten than me own tools for quite a number of
years now. So when I do eventually come back to
shortening this, which I'm guessing might be the next time
I use it, hopefully I should get it done in
good time. I don't necessarily mind shortening these oak tools,
(33:12):
or any tool for that matter, when it needs to
be shortened. The my ethos around it is get it
shortened and get back to doing what you were doing
as quickly as possible or in good time show we'll see.
I think that's a better statement, in good time. So
you know, I'm quite proficient to shorten them. You Western
(33:34):
chisels and me me, me playing blades, so pretty much
with me number four, let's just say it needs short
when at the moment it does actually need short and
I can pretty much get this out of the plane, shortened,
(33:55):
honed back in the plane, set back up in play,
and within about five minutes, maybe a little bit less.
So for me, that's good time. And that's that's how
I like to work work with with tools with sharpening
and needs sharping and buy all me and shortening. But
again I like to be doing what I was doing
(34:17):
in the first place, and it's it's tools like these
or at least for me, a little a little slow
me down in it, and it can be a little
bit for like frustrating for me.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
So as I said.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
At the start, there's there's numerous tools that's you know,
can slow you down or be awkward to shop and
be frustrating. I mean, maybe orga bits. I think I've
done a video on that as well, So there is
another video on that if you want to check that out.
I'm not gonna go into the orga bit thing because
(34:53):
i feel like I've rathered it on a little bit
too much today. But what do you guys struggle with
I'd be keen to know what you guys struggle with shortening,
or maybe not so much struggle, maybe what do you
find frustrating to shortmen? So if you leave a comment
and let everybody know, I would be interested to read those,
(35:14):
and until the next time I shall speak and say
you guys later.
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