September 15, 2024 • 30 mins
In this podcast I revisit the workbench conundrum, and talk about whether I have solved it or not, with regard to my new design of bench.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In today's podcasts, I'm going to be talking about whether
I have solved my word bench conundrum. So I think
about a month ago or maybe two months ago, I
released a podcast and it was titled My work bench
Conundrum something like that. It was titled so in that
(00:23):
podcast I basically talked about my grown disinterests for the
Nicholson bench, which ironically is behind the camera. So I
still haven't gotten rid of it. It's still there, but
out of me grown disinterest for that. For anyone that
(00:43):
follows us, US will probably know that this guy's new
on the scene. So for those of you that haven't
seen this and don't followers and just by chance have
come across this podcast, there is a bill video that
I've just released, and there is free plans. The plan
are free as of now. I may pull them, I'm
(01:03):
not too sure, but as of now the are free.
So this was basically borne out of the disinterest and
the things that pretty much got on my nerves with
the Nicholson bench. So have I solved me conundrum. I'm
(01:27):
not overally sure to I've solved it, because, as I stated,
I do like to work on a lower bench. But
having said that, this thing's been working out really well
for us. So I think one of the biggest grapes
what I had with the Nicholson bench was that I
(01:49):
wasn't able to clamp to the side. Obviously, there's an
apron on the side both sides of the Nickelson bench.
So one of the things I did actually do with
this bench, or when I was designing it all, was
to have the opposite side which hasn't got an apron.
(02:12):
Basically it's gotten overhang and that allows us to clamp
directly to the under side of the bench. So it's
it is pretty much just like a Roman work bench
in that respect, So I really like that. So what
I did do the two the two gable ends and
(02:35):
this side is there's no obstructions so I can clamp
directly underneath it. And for me, I really really like that.
Obviously it's not everybody's cut with tea, but I really
really like that. Don't get us wrong. I understand the
value of an apron, which is why I put this
(02:56):
guy on. So for those of you that haven't seen
anything about this bench, it just basically sits on two
little cleats and it is kept in place by four
bench pups. It's absolutely solid once or four bench pups
are in and the two cleats are obviously taking the
(03:18):
downward force, and because of that these aren't the apron
isn't able to tilt or like move at all, if
that makes sense. So it is really really sturdy for
what it is. And obviously, as I said, I understand
(03:39):
the value of an apron, so obviously there's an apron there.
I haven't used the apron extensively, although it has come
pretty handy. So I think on the respects of that
issue with the Nicholson bench compaied to my room and
(04:01):
work bench, I think I have solved that issue obviously,
you know, being able to go all the way around
the bench are all our three sides of the bench,
which is ad it worth for me. Another issue I
was having was that the Nickelson bench would move about
a lot when I was planing when I was soaring,
(04:26):
mostly at the end if I was using say the
frame so and maybe one of the teeth for the
teeth in general, just got stuck into the grain of
the woods. Maybe I hit a not something like that,
And obviously you know the force what I'm pushing with,
and I would just rock the whole bench. So I'm
not overly sure of the weight of the Nicholson bench.
(04:47):
I've never weighed it. When I first built this, I
did actually wear this, and this was one hundred and
fifty pounds I believe, if memory serves is it's not
really heavy, but it is the weight of maybe the
average little guy, you know, the size of myself. Although
I don't weigh one hundred and fifty pound, I'm on
the heavy side at the moment, but you know, maybe
(05:12):
a woman. So there is there is a bit of
weight in it. So I think one of the good
things I did, which I'm happy I did, I put
some crubber on the under side of the feet, which
I think has been really really good. So when I've
been playing and soaring on it, I haven't had no
(05:35):
movement at all, which is obviously what I want. And
obviously I've got some tools on here, which you know,
it's it's added weight which obviously helps as well. So
there has been a few questions about this and people
are saying there's been a number of people that have said,
(05:58):
what's it like for chiseling, So basically, I you know,
we're getting a chiseling. Chiseling on top of it isn't
much bounce. So to look at it, especially at the
front and with it be implied, would you would think
there would be some give or some some sort of
a bounce. And I did demonstrate this on one of
(06:20):
the videos, one of the previous videos, and that was
entitled something like the Showcase and the slaughter Bench. Yeah,
I know, it's it's a bit of a cheesy name.
And I went back to just the slot bench. So
we're gonna forget about the slaughter bench. But as I said,
(06:41):
when I'm chiseling, it's there's there's no issues at all.
There's no bounce. It's just like a dead blow, which
again is what you want. So even if you were
like really really bothered about that, one thing to bear
in mind, yeah, is that on this side of the
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bench we've actually got a solid piece of ply. So
this solid piece of ply is twenty two millimeters thick.
And anybody that knows a little bit about how things work,
and you know, like engineer and don't get I'm not
an engineer, don't claim to be an engineer. I am
(07:28):
a scaffolder though, and I do understand how structures work.
I've been doing it for twenty six years, so I
do have a little bit of knowledge about that. So
when there's a force being a ply at the top
I we're using chisel and a mallet. Some people are
thinking that this is gonna is gonna bow. Now obviously
(07:52):
if I was doing it on the on the very edge,
there would be some bounce. And it don't get us wrong,
you know, but if you're going to use if you're
going to use this and use it smartly, you know,
a nice place is going to be here. And this
is what was it again? I forget what it was?
Was it one hundred and so it's one hundred and
(08:15):
forty millimeters to the edge of where the tabs go
through all the tenants of your will. So when the
force is being applied here, the force is being applied
on top, and then that force is being distributed through
this panel, and it's where its way along to the
(08:39):
to the feet and then to the floor, you know,
And that's that's how it's being distributed. At the end
of the day, there's no way, with the forces I'm
able to put upon this bench that this panel is
going to flex in any way shape it's just not
(09:02):
going to happen. It's it's just defies and loads of physics.
There's no way on Earth. I can't exert no force
for this to flex or to break or damage in
any way, shape or phone. So because that's a solid,
a solid piece, it is obviously transferring a lot of
the way to the feet. So obviously the force is
(09:25):
just going to get dissolved through the feet and into
the floor. To be completely transparent, and to be truthful,
I do have a couple of grapes with this bench.
Now they're not major grapes, but they are there, and
(09:45):
it might just be me. I think one of them
is just kind of me. And you know, I was
limited with things. And actually this was taken into account
when I was actually making it the material I had,
which was, I don't have a sustaina down here. The
(10:05):
sustaina holds a veritus. Let us let us get this straight.
It is it a t K B fifty five like
a cordless track. So I think I think that's a model.
So when I was building this, I did primarily want
(10:27):
to store it in yet and it is stored in there,
but it can be a little bit to get out.
It will come out. I'm not talking about you know,
it doesn't take minutes to get out. It's just a
little to get out. And the hands were tied with
us just for the materials and the design itself. I
(10:48):
wasn't overly happy with making this whole any bigger. Obviously,
the bigger the cutout, the less of the material you know,
to support the top that section there, and I didn't
want that. So I wasn't willing to go any lower
than what it was, which I think is one hundred millimeters,
(11:12):
so that's like four inches, so you've got like four
inches of width, you know, supporting this top. Obviously it's
one hundred and fifty at the sides, which again helps
to disperse away into the feet. So I think that's
kind of one of the one of the gripes. That's
(11:33):
again that's kind of not a massive issue. I'm just
being honest about it, and it does piss us off
if I'm honest. I have to be honest with you.
Another thing that does bollars with this and I am
going to change it, and I did actually change this
(11:54):
in the plans, is that when I originally built this,
when I pulled the line down the center for the
dog holes is that I basically made it the center
of the box. Because this is actually I don't know
(12:15):
if you'll be able to say this on the camera,
you should. There is like a box. So basically what
I've done, I've come to the center of this box
and I've just pulled the line all the way down
and I didn't really give it much thought, you know,
which I'm quite used to like that unfortunately, and normally
(12:36):
biers in the boat. But so one of the issues
is that when I don't put not a hole fast,
when I do put a a clamping. And I have
been using these extensively with this bench obviously, you know,
it is a kind of an MFT hybrid bench, if
(12:56):
you will. So when I designed it that have these
in mind, because I had to basically four go the
the hole fast, which I really liked and I was
torn with a little bit. But as I said, one
of the issues with this is that let's just say
(13:18):
I'm gonna I'm gonna play in some wood, some edge
plane and you know, maybe I'm going to join some
boards to get out for glue up. So one of
the things that I noticed quite you know, like straight
away was the fact that when I've got the clamb
in place, I can only turn it so much, which
(13:41):
which is a bit of a for her, if you
know what I mean. So what sort of angle over
looking at there? So I'm not going to without measuring it,
I'm gonna say that's about thirty five to forty degrees. Now,
it's not a major issue, but it did. It was
(14:01):
a little bit problematic when I was using some when
he had joke and basically the way and he had joke,
it was really you know, it was really wild. So
this it didn't struggle. It's still clamting it. But basically
because it was when he was going all over the place,
it wasn't as secure. Well it was secure, that's not
(14:23):
the right word. It wasn't. It wasn't clamping where I
would like it to be clamp. I would have preferred
it to be clamp more into the board. It was
like more to the edge of the board, which I
wasn't too happy about. So when I actually drew the plans,
I moved that. I moved this, these these row of holes,
I moved them down. So basically with the with the
(14:47):
new holes, they're about Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube,
you should be able to see what I'm what I'm
doing here. So basically that's going to give you maybe
fifty degree, which is obviously a lot better. It is
closer to the bottom. But this isn't an issue because
(15:08):
obviously I've got no need a clamp that way, and
I cannot really think of any anything that I would
need a clamp where I would need to turn the
clamp down over rather than up over. So obviously I've
changed those in the plans and it makes more sense
to me. So that's I don't know, I don't know
(15:32):
if I can call it be honest, but it is.
It is there, and it is present, and obviously, as
I said, I'm trying to be transparent out with it.
Another another issue is that when I am using these clamps,
(15:53):
I've got four of them are again, I've got two
quick release and I've got to just hand crank ones.
So when I am using them, sometimes you could you
couldn't write this, could you? If I try to? If
I try to do that off camera, wouldn't have it
wouldn't have happened. So basically, when I'm when I'm trying
(16:14):
to put these through the hole and it's done it
again nice and quick. Sometimes not this time, but sometimes
they can be open to get in never never too
to get out, but always always to get in from now. Yeah,
(16:35):
So that's that's annoying us a little bit. And in
my mind, I keep on jogging back to the hole fast.
You know again, anyone that's used hold fast is just
like bosh and a couple of taps and you and
you're good to go. And I still really really like
(16:57):
me hold fast. But obviously the isu you is is
that this is only twenty two millimeters apply and it's
not going to grab it very well unfortunately. So there
was there was a lot of people that did comment,
you know, and said, you know, can you do this,
and can you do that? And so on and so
forth and whatever, whatever, whatever. And you know, if you're
(17:22):
kind of that way inclined, you could have got two
sheets of you know, the top sizes and just laminated.
You could have done that. But one of one of
the issues with it is that if you if you
were to do that for me at least anyway, I
(17:45):
would have to I have to meet the tabs bigger,
because when you're all putting this together, it does go
together quite quickly, and I'm talking like minutes, you know,
when you when you put it together. But sometimes when
you're putting it the gella, you might have trouble lining
on the tabs up. So obviously, when you're having trouble
(18:06):
lining on the tabs up as it is now, you
can visually see what you're doing. So if I've got
another piece glued on to the top of this and
I can't see the tabs, obviously it's just going to
be a lot harder for me to get the top one,
and it's going to be frustrating. And halfway through designing
(18:28):
this in my head when I was thinking about things,
I kind of I was designing it for myself, and
foremost it is for myself, But then I did think,
well what about with other people would like to do it?
So that was kind of the reason why I abandoned
making this figure. It's obviously to keep costs down as well.
I mean, initially I bought three sheets of twenty two
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millimeters apply would and I paid forty pounds per sheets.
I don't know what that is in dollars, but as
we all know, sheet material, any wood, in fact, you know,
it went sky high during like twenty twenty, and it
hasn't really come back down. I think it did a
(19:13):
little bit some material, but not all material. And I
still think ply is you know, it's kind of it's
it's really up there, because I did contemplate on going
out and buying some maybe some maple or some birch
plywould so it is going to be strong, at least
(19:36):
for me. But I did actually querry this to the
guy I do get plywood off and he did inform
me that birch ply is not structurally rated. I didn't
know that, but he knows his ply would not. Obviously
I don't, but he was he was saying, sorry, not
this this play was not rated, or it might be rated.
(19:59):
I think it is, but he was basically saying that
spruce plywood is rated and the birch is not. But
I personally think the birch is stronger, although you know,
he knows who plywould. But one thing I don't know
about birch plywood is that it's very very stable, or
(20:20):
at least it's been very very stable for me in
this part of the world, which is northeast of the
UK England, so it's you know, birch plywood I found
a very very very stable whereas spruce plywood. You know,
I've seen a war wall over the place. But again,
(20:41):
you know, it would have been nice to do it
with birch, but again, to keep the costs down, I've
went with the Chinese hardwood ply and have to be honest,
it's been fine. You know, I'm not really keen on
the color of it, but it is. It is fine.
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It's not all doom and gloom. There is some likes,
and I'm going to go through a few of them.
What I do like, I'm probably gonna repeat yourself a
few times. Yeah, But obviously I did mention about the
being able to clamp all the way around. Absolutely love
love love love that. It's I really like that. I
(21:28):
kind of stress enough how much I like that. After
coming from the nickelcent bench and not being able to
being able to use my below bench obviously for me
back issues, it's it's been really really nice. So another
thing that I do like, and I've just been saying
(21:52):
I don't like it, but basically, yeah, when when I
managed to get these in quick enough, which it's it's
just made us look a fool day. But when I
do get these in, I don't actually like how solid
these actually holds. Again, they won't replace a whole fast,
(22:16):
but I do really really like them. When I've been
soaring on this, when I have been playing on this,
this bench has not moved at all. And again I'm
absolutely loving that same coming from the Nicholson bench, and
it's just been a total nightmare, you know, playing in
and things, you know, moving around, and it's really annoying
(22:38):
when you know things like that happen. Another thing that
I'm absolutely loving about this bench is the width of it.
So this is wider than Nicholson bench. Obviously, it's wider
than all of my Roman benches I've ever used or built.
You know, a Roman bench will never ever be this
way because obviously you've got to sit on it. And
(23:00):
another thing that I like about the top, which I
did actually use today, is the fact that it's flat.
It's flat, It's gonna walk very minimally. It's not going
to warp like the Nicholson bench because obviously the Nechoson
bench is solid wood, so this is gonna stay pretty
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flat for the lifetime. It stays on top of the bench.
Another thing I like about the whole bench in general.
It's all built of components. So if I damaged the
top really really badly, or I don't know, maybe five six, seven,
(23:43):
ten years down the line, if it's really beat up,
and just take it off and replace it. It's as
simple as that. And it's just one piece, which is
pretty cool now you and get that with with with
any other with any other sort of bench to me knowledge, anyway,
(24:06):
you know, it's just going to be a case of
going out and I'm not even gonna be using a
full sheet of ply. Again, it's going to be cheap,
it's going to be cost effect. Everything's going to be
pretty quick just to swap that out, and it goes
for anything if anything gets damaged, and I'm not happy
about it, because it's it's it's built, you know, as
(24:29):
you know components, I'm able just to remove that components
and swap without. I mean, I don't I don't even
have to worry about making it the right size per se.
You know, I just stay a couple of nails through
the through the let's say the top, or even some
(24:51):
double sided sticky tape and get her out or out.
You know, I probably wouldn't do that. But if I
really wanted to make things simple and I really wanted
to get that sort of precision, you know, off off
this top, you know, basically mimic or or or reproduce
this top, you know, like one hundred percent. You know,
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I could do that. And again that's another thing I
like about it. It's going to be quick to replace.
It's not going to cost us a fortune. So I
don't really like that about it. And to stay at
the obvious, if I need this space, yeah, I can
basically take this apart in minutes and get it and
(25:33):
get it stacked against the wall or or where, or
take it outside, and it's it's manageable again because it's
it's in components rather than rather than components group together
like a Nickelson bench, you know, for instance, a Nickelson bench,
that specific Nickelson bench behind the camera, that's that's group gather.
(25:58):
It's it's components group. So you know you've got the
apron and one half of the top, so that's two
components group together. You've got the same the other side.
Then obviously you've got all the legs together. So obviously
with this you can say it's for carrying for replacing
(26:20):
anything like that. For me anyway, it just trumps it,
you know. So you could argue that I'm being biased,
and yeah, to a degree, I probably am being biased.
But as I said, using it, I haven't had a
great deal of issues with it, Like nothing nothing where
I think, oh, you know, nothing like that. As I said,
(26:41):
you know a couple of things that well, Greytman is
obviously getting me to staying at in and out of
the undershelf, the the you know, getting these clamps in
and out still still coming out nice and easy. So
(27:02):
sometimes getting those in an outcome be a little bit frustrating,
you know. But other than that, I kind of I
kind of really fault it. So I'm very very happy
that I've built it and the designs worked out the
way it has, you know. And for those of you
that are kind of interested, I did do a video
(27:26):
showcasing the slop work bench, and I do chisel on this.
I do a little bit of edge playing and with
the apron and playing on top, and do some sore
and on the on the gable ends. So it's not extensive.
But if you are interested or you're in kind of
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you're looking for a new bench, or maybe you haven't
got a bench, maybe you've got a small small space,
maybe you're working on a balcony, maybe you're working in
a pot otments. You know, this is this is your
little thing. So as I said, this will come apart
in minutes. It's probably gonna take me a little bit
longer in all fairness, because I have got stuff, you know,
(28:11):
on the er shelf, but the bench itself, without anything
on the uder shelf, it's going to come apart in minutes.
So you know, that's going to be a good thing
for those of you that haven't got a lot of room, etcetera, etcetera.
So again, you know, I think I've mentioned this in
(28:33):
previous videos. The apron is detachable. It's not a must,
you know, so if you wanted to, you could use
this whole entire bench. Again, And this is something I
like about about the design, you know, this is something
I did think about. I like the fact that you
can just use it without the apron. Maybe you're one
(28:54):
of these guys that uses you know, power tools a lot.
This is going to be able to cope with it.
And again that's what I like about it. For me,
it is going to be a mixture, but it is
going to be most likely more geared towards hand tools,
because obviously I do use primarily hand tools. Obviously I'm
(29:18):
using my track saw quite a lot lately, but you know,
I did get it to help with me back, and
you know, it's it's just one of those things. But
I don't still use me ryobasors. I do still do
quite a lot of pands soaring because it's enjoyable to me.
So did I solve my conundrum? Like I said, I
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kind of see one hundred percent that I did, you know,
for the reason that I don't like to use a
low bench, but under the circumstances with my back issues
and me grown dis interest for the Nicholson bench, I
don't feel I have solved the conundrum. Do you think
I've solved the conundrum? Do you like the bench? What?
(30:04):
What are your views on this bench? You know, do
you think it's crap? Do you think it's good or
do you think it's what? Do you think about it?
I'd be interested here. I'm very open to criticism. Just
make it constructive, you know, let us know what is
wrong with it. If you don't like it, so on
and so forth. And until the next time, I shall
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see and speak to you guys later
In today's podcasts, I'm going to be talking about whether
I have solved my word bench conundrum. So I think
about a month ago or maybe two months ago, I
released a podcast and it was titled My work bench
Conundrum something like that. It was titled so in that
(00:23):
podcast I basically talked about my grown disinterests for the
Nicholson bench, which ironically is behind the camera. So I
still haven't gotten rid of it. It's still there, but
out of me grown disinterest for that. For anyone that
(00:43):
follows us, US will probably know that this guy's new
on the scene. So for those of you that haven't
seen this and don't followers and just by chance have
come across this podcast, there is a bill video that
I've just released, and there is free plans. The plan
are free as of now. I may pull them, I'm
(01:03):
not too sure, but as of now the are free.
So this was basically borne out of the disinterest and
the things that pretty much got on my nerves with
the Nicholson bench. So have I solved me conundrum. I'm
(01:27):
not overally sure to I've solved it, because, as I stated,
I do like to work on a lower bench. But
having said that, this thing's been working out really well
for us. So I think one of the biggest grapes
what I had with the Nicholson bench was that I
(01:49):
wasn't able to clamp to the side. Obviously, there's an
apron on the side both sides of the Nickelson bench.
So one of the things I did actually do with
this bench, or when I was designing it all, was
to have the opposite side which hasn't got an apron.
(02:12):
Basically it's gotten overhang and that allows us to clamp
directly to the under side of the bench. So it's
it is pretty much just like a Roman work bench
in that respect, So I really like that. So what
I did do the two the two gable ends and
(02:35):
this side is there's no obstructions so I can clamp
directly underneath it. And for me, I really really like that.
Obviously it's not everybody's cut with tea, but I really
really like that. Don't get us wrong. I understand the
value of an apron, which is why I put this
(02:56):
guy on. So for those of you that haven't seen
anything about this bench, it just basically sits on two
little cleats and it is kept in place by four
bench pups. It's absolutely solid once or four bench pups
are in and the two cleats are obviously taking the
(03:18):
downward force, and because of that these aren't the apron
isn't able to tilt or like move at all, if
that makes sense. So it is really really sturdy for
what it is. And obviously, as I said, I understand
(03:39):
the value of an apron, so obviously there's an apron there.
I haven't used the apron extensively, although it has come
pretty handy. So I think on the respects of that
issue with the Nicholson bench compaied to my room and
(04:01):
work bench, I think I have solved that issue obviously,
you know, being able to go all the way around
the bench are all our three sides of the bench,
which is ad it worth for me. Another issue I
was having was that the Nickelson bench would move about
a lot when I was planing when I was soaring,
(04:26):
mostly at the end if I was using say the
frame so and maybe one of the teeth for the
teeth in general, just got stuck into the grain of
the woods. Maybe I hit a not something like that,
And obviously you know the force what I'm pushing with,
and I would just rock the whole bench. So I'm
not overly sure of the weight of the Nicholson bench.
(04:47):
I've never weighed it. When I first built this, I
did actually wear this, and this was one hundred and
fifty pounds I believe, if memory serves is it's not
really heavy, but it is the weight of maybe the
average little guy, you know, the size of myself. Although
I don't weigh one hundred and fifty pound, I'm on
the heavy side at the moment, but you know, maybe
(05:12):
a woman. So there is there is a bit of
weight in it. So I think one of the good
things I did, which I'm happy I did, I put
some crubber on the under side of the feet, which
I think has been really really good. So when I've
been playing and soaring on it, I haven't had no
(05:35):
movement at all, which is obviously what I want. And
obviously I've got some tools on here, which you know,
it's it's added weight which obviously helps as well. So
there has been a few questions about this and people
are saying there's been a number of people that have said,
(05:58):
what's it like for chiseling, So basically, I you know,
we're getting a chiseling. Chiseling on top of it isn't
much bounce. So to look at it, especially at the
front and with it be implied, would you would think
there would be some give or some some sort of
a bounce. And I did demonstrate this on one of
(06:20):
the videos, one of the previous videos, and that was
entitled something like the Showcase and the slaughter Bench. Yeah,
I know, it's it's a bit of a cheesy name.
And I went back to just the slot bench. So
we're gonna forget about the slaughter bench. But as I said,
(06:41):
when I'm chiseling, it's there's there's no issues at all.
There's no bounce. It's just like a dead blow, which
again is what you want. So even if you were
like really really bothered about that, one thing to bear
in mind, yeah, is that on this side of the
(07:07):
bench we've actually got a solid piece of ply. So
this solid piece of ply is twenty two millimeters thick.
And anybody that knows a little bit about how things work,
and you know, like engineer and don't get I'm not
an engineer, don't claim to be an engineer. I am
(07:28):
a scaffolder though, and I do understand how structures work.
I've been doing it for twenty six years, so I
do have a little bit of knowledge about that. So
when there's a force being a ply at the top
I we're using chisel and a mallet. Some people are
thinking that this is gonna is gonna bow. Now obviously
(07:52):
if I was doing it on the on the very edge,
there would be some bounce. And it don't get us wrong,
you know, but if you're going to use if you're
going to use this and use it smartly, you know,
a nice place is going to be here. And this
is what was it again? I forget what it was?
Was it one hundred and so it's one hundred and
(08:15):
forty millimeters to the edge of where the tabs go
through all the tenants of your will. So when the
force is being applied here, the force is being applied
on top, and then that force is being distributed through
this panel, and it's where its way along to the
(08:39):
to the feet and then to the floor, you know,
And that's that's how it's being distributed. At the end
of the day, there's no way, with the forces I'm
able to put upon this bench that this panel is
going to flex in any way shape it's just not
(09:02):
going to happen. It's it's just defies and loads of physics.
There's no way on Earth. I can't exert no force
for this to flex or to break or damage in
any way, shape or phone. So because that's a solid,
a solid piece, it is obviously transferring a lot of
the way to the feet. So obviously the force is
(09:25):
just going to get dissolved through the feet and into
the floor. To be completely transparent, and to be truthful,
I do have a couple of grapes with this bench.
Now they're not major grapes, but they are there, and
(09:45):
it might just be me. I think one of them
is just kind of me. And you know, I was
limited with things. And actually this was taken into account
when I was actually making it the material I had,
which was, I don't have a sustaina down here. The
(10:05):
sustaina holds a veritus. Let us let us get this straight.
It is it a t K B fifty five like
a cordless track. So I think I think that's a model.
So when I was building this, I did primarily want
(10:27):
to store it in yet and it is stored in there,
but it can be a little bit to get out.
It will come out. I'm not talking about you know,
it doesn't take minutes to get out. It's just a
little to get out. And the hands were tied with
us just for the materials and the design itself. I
(10:48):
wasn't overly happy with making this whole any bigger. Obviously,
the bigger the cutout, the less of the material you know,
to support the top that section there, and I didn't
want that. So I wasn't willing to go any lower
than what it was, which I think is one hundred millimeters,
(11:12):
so that's like four inches, so you've got like four
inches of width, you know, supporting this top. Obviously it's
one hundred and fifty at the sides, which again helps
to disperse away into the feet. So I think that's
kind of one of the one of the gripes. That's
(11:33):
again that's kind of not a massive issue. I'm just
being honest about it, and it does piss us off
if I'm honest. I have to be honest with you.
Another thing that does bollars with this and I am
going to change it, and I did actually change this
(11:54):
in the plans, is that when I originally built this,
when I pulled the line down the center for the
dog holes is that I basically made it the center
of the box. Because this is actually I don't know
(12:15):
if you'll be able to say this on the camera,
you should. There is like a box. So basically what
I've done, I've come to the center of this box
and I've just pulled the line all the way down
and I didn't really give it much thought, you know,
which I'm quite used to like that unfortunately, and normally
(12:36):
biers in the boat. But so one of the issues
is that when I don't put not a hole fast,
when I do put a a clamping. And I have
been using these extensively with this bench obviously, you know,
it is a kind of an MFT hybrid bench, if
(12:56):
you will. So when I designed it that have these
in mind, because I had to basically four go the
the hole fast, which I really liked and I was
torn with a little bit. But as I said, one
of the issues with this is that let's just say
(13:18):
I'm gonna I'm gonna play in some wood, some edge
plane and you know, maybe I'm going to join some
boards to get out for glue up. So one of
the things that I noticed quite you know, like straight
away was the fact that when I've got the clamb
in place, I can only turn it so much, which
(13:41):
which is a bit of a for her, if you
know what I mean. So what sort of angle over
looking at there? So I'm not going to without measuring it,
I'm gonna say that's about thirty five to forty degrees. Now,
it's not a major issue, but it did. It was
(14:01):
a little bit problematic when I was using some when
he had joke and basically the way and he had joke,
it was really you know, it was really wild. So
this it didn't struggle. It's still clamting it. But basically
because it was when he was going all over the place,
it wasn't as secure. Well it was secure, that's not
(14:23):
the right word. It wasn't. It wasn't clamping where I
would like it to be clamp. I would have preferred
it to be clamp more into the board. It was
like more to the edge of the board, which I
wasn't too happy about. So when I actually drew the plans,
I moved that. I moved this, these these row of holes,
I moved them down. So basically with the with the
(14:47):
new holes, they're about Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube,
you should be able to see what I'm what I'm
doing here. So basically that's going to give you maybe
fifty degree, which is obviously a lot better. It is
closer to the bottom. But this isn't an issue because
(15:08):
obviously I've got no need a clamp that way, and
I cannot really think of any anything that I would
need a clamp where I would need to turn the
clamp down over rather than up over. So obviously I've
changed those in the plans and it makes more sense
to me. So that's I don't know, I don't know
(15:32):
if I can call it be honest, but it is.
It is there, and it is present, and obviously, as
I said, I'm trying to be transparent out with it.
Another another issue is that when I am using these clamps,
(15:53):
I've got four of them are again, I've got two
quick release and I've got to just hand crank ones.
So when I am using them, sometimes you could you
couldn't write this, could you? If I try to? If
I try to do that off camera, wouldn't have it
wouldn't have happened. So basically, when I'm when I'm trying
(16:14):
to put these through the hole and it's done it
again nice and quick. Sometimes not this time, but sometimes
they can be open to get in never never too
to get out, but always always to get in from now. Yeah,
(16:35):
So that's that's annoying us a little bit. And in
my mind, I keep on jogging back to the hole fast.
You know again, anyone that's used hold fast is just
like bosh and a couple of taps and you and
you're good to go. And I still really really like
(16:57):
me hold fast. But obviously the isu you is is
that this is only twenty two millimeters apply and it's
not going to grab it very well unfortunately. So there
was there was a lot of people that did comment,
you know, and said, you know, can you do this,
and can you do that? And so on and so
forth and whatever, whatever, whatever. And you know, if you're
(17:22):
kind of that way inclined, you could have got two
sheets of you know, the top sizes and just laminated.
You could have done that. But one of one of
the issues with it is that if you if you
were to do that for me at least anyway, I
(17:45):
would have to I have to meet the tabs bigger,
because when you're all putting this together, it does go
together quite quickly, and I'm talking like minutes, you know,
when you when you put it together. But sometimes when
you're putting it the gella, you might have trouble lining
on the tabs up. So obviously, when you're having trouble
(18:06):
lining on the tabs up as it is now, you
can visually see what you're doing. So if I've got
another piece glued on to the top of this and
I can't see the tabs, obviously it's just going to
be a lot harder for me to get the top one,
and it's going to be frustrating. And halfway through designing
(18:28):
this in my head when I was thinking about things,
I kind of I was designing it for myself, and
foremost it is for myself, But then I did think,
well what about with other people would like to do it?
So that was kind of the reason why I abandoned
making this figure. It's obviously to keep costs down as well.
I mean, initially I bought three sheets of twenty two
(18:51):
millimeters apply would and I paid forty pounds per sheets.
I don't know what that is in dollars, but as
we all know, sheet material, any wood, in fact, you know,
it went sky high during like twenty twenty, and it
hasn't really come back down. I think it did a
(19:13):
little bit some material, but not all material. And I
still think ply is you know, it's kind of it's
it's really up there, because I did contemplate on going
out and buying some maybe some maple or some birch
plywould so it is going to be strong, at least
(19:36):
for me. But I did actually querry this to the
guy I do get plywood off and he did inform
me that birch ply is not structurally rated. I didn't
know that, but he knows his ply would not. Obviously
I don't, but he was he was saying, sorry, not
this this play was not rated, or it might be rated.
(19:59):
I think it is, but he was basically saying that
spruce plywood is rated and the birch is not. But
I personally think the birch is stronger, although you know,
he knows who plywould. But one thing I don't know
about birch plywood is that it's very very stable, or
(20:20):
at least it's been very very stable for me in
this part of the world, which is northeast of the
UK England, so it's you know, birch plywood I found
a very very very stable whereas spruce plywood. You know,
I've seen a war wall over the place. But again,
(20:41):
you know, it would have been nice to do it
with birch, but again, to keep the costs down, I've
went with the Chinese hardwood ply and have to be honest,
it's been fine. You know, I'm not really keen on
the color of it, but it is. It is fine.
(21:06):
It's not all doom and gloom. There is some likes,
and I'm going to go through a few of them.
What I do like, I'm probably gonna repeat yourself a
few times. Yeah, But obviously I did mention about the
being able to clamp all the way around. Absolutely love
love love love that. It's I really like that. I
(21:28):
kind of stress enough how much I like that. After
coming from the nickelcent bench and not being able to
being able to use my below bench obviously for me
back issues, it's it's been really really nice. So another
thing that I do like, and I've just been saying
(21:52):
I don't like it, but basically, yeah, when when I
managed to get these in quick enough, which it's it's
just made us look a fool day. But when I
do get these in, I don't actually like how solid
these actually holds. Again, they won't replace a whole fast,
(22:16):
but I do really really like them. When I've been
soaring on this, when I have been playing on this,
this bench has not moved at all. And again I'm
absolutely loving that same coming from the Nicholson bench, and
it's just been a total nightmare, you know, playing in
and things, you know, moving around, and it's really annoying
(22:38):
when you know things like that happen. Another thing that
I'm absolutely loving about this bench is the width of it.
So this is wider than Nicholson bench. Obviously, it's wider
than all of my Roman benches I've ever used or built.
You know, a Roman bench will never ever be this
way because obviously you've got to sit on it. And
(23:00):
another thing that I like about the top, which I
did actually use today, is the fact that it's flat.
It's flat, It's gonna walk very minimally. It's not going
to warp like the Nicholson bench because obviously the Nechoson
bench is solid wood, so this is gonna stay pretty
(23:23):
flat for the lifetime. It stays on top of the bench.
Another thing I like about the whole bench in general.
It's all built of components. So if I damaged the
top really really badly, or I don't know, maybe five six, seven,
(23:43):
ten years down the line, if it's really beat up,
and just take it off and replace it. It's as
simple as that. And it's just one piece, which is
pretty cool now you and get that with with with
any other with any other sort of bench to me knowledge, anyway,
(24:06):
you know, it's just going to be a case of
going out and I'm not even gonna be using a
full sheet of ply. Again, it's going to be cheap,
it's going to be cost effect. Everything's going to be
pretty quick just to swap that out, and it goes
for anything if anything gets damaged, and I'm not happy
about it, because it's it's it's built, you know, as
(24:29):
you know components, I'm able just to remove that components
and swap without. I mean, I don't I don't even
have to worry about making it the right size per se.
You know, I just stay a couple of nails through
the through the let's say the top, or even some
(24:51):
double sided sticky tape and get her out or out.
You know, I probably wouldn't do that. But if I
really wanted to make things simple and I really wanted
to get that sort of precision, you know, off off
this top, you know, basically mimic or or or reproduce
this top, you know, like one hundred percent. You know,
(25:12):
I could do that. And again that's another thing I
like about it. It's going to be quick to replace.
It's not going to cost us a fortune. So I
don't really like that about it. And to stay at
the obvious, if I need this space, yeah, I can
basically take this apart in minutes and get it and
(25:33):
get it stacked against the wall or or where, or
take it outside, and it's it's manageable again because it's
it's in components rather than rather than components group together
like a Nickelson bench, you know, for instance, a Nickelson bench,
that specific Nickelson bench behind the camera, that's that's group gather.
(25:58):
It's it's components group. So you know you've got the
apron and one half of the top, so that's two
components group together. You've got the same the other side.
Then obviously you've got all the legs together. So obviously
with this you can say it's for carrying for replacing
(26:20):
anything like that. For me anyway, it just trumps it,
you know. So you could argue that I'm being biased,
and yeah, to a degree, I probably am being biased.
But as I said, using it, I haven't had a
great deal of issues with it, Like nothing nothing where
I think, oh, you know, nothing like that. As I said,
(26:41):
you know a couple of things that well, Greytman is
obviously getting me to staying at in and out of
the undershelf, the the you know, getting these clamps in
and out still still coming out nice and easy. So
(27:02):
sometimes getting those in an outcome be a little bit frustrating,
you know. But other than that, I kind of I
kind of really fault it. So I'm very very happy
that I've built it and the designs worked out the
way it has, you know. And for those of you
that are kind of interested, I did do a video
(27:26):
showcasing the slop work bench, and I do chisel on this.
I do a little bit of edge playing and with
the apron and playing on top, and do some sore
and on the on the gable ends. So it's not extensive.
But if you are interested or you're in kind of
(27:49):
you're looking for a new bench, or maybe you haven't
got a bench, maybe you've got a small small space,
maybe you're working on a balcony, maybe you're working in
a pot otments. You know, this is this is your
little thing. So as I said, this will come apart
in minutes. It's probably gonna take me a little bit
longer in all fairness, because I have got stuff, you know,
(28:11):
on the er shelf, but the bench itself, without anything
on the uder shelf, it's going to come apart in minutes.
So you know, that's going to be a good thing
for those of you that haven't got a lot of room, etcetera, etcetera.
So again, you know, I think I've mentioned this in
(28:33):
previous videos. The apron is detachable. It's not a must,
you know, so if you wanted to, you could use
this whole entire bench. Again, And this is something I
like about about the design, you know, this is something
I did think about. I like the fact that you
can just use it without the apron. Maybe you're one
(28:54):
of these guys that uses you know, power tools a lot.
This is going to be able to cope with it.
And again that's what I like about it. For me,
it is going to be a mixture, but it is
going to be most likely more geared towards hand tools,
because obviously I do use primarily hand tools. Obviously I'm
(29:18):
using my track saw quite a lot lately, but you know,
I did get it to help with me back, and
you know, it's it's just one of those things. But
I don't still use me ryobasors. I do still do
quite a lot of pands soaring because it's enjoyable to me.
So did I solve my conundrum? Like I said, I
(29:43):
kind of see one hundred percent that I did, you know,
for the reason that I don't like to use a
low bench, but under the circumstances with my back issues
and me grown dis interest for the Nicholson bench, I
don't feel I have solved the conundrum. Do you think
I've solved the conundrum? Do you like the bench? What?
(30:04):
What are your views on this bench? You know, do
you think it's crap? Do you think it's good or
do you think it's what? Do you think about it?
I'd be interested here. I'm very open to criticism. Just
make it constructive, you know, let us know what is
wrong with it. If you don't like it, so on
and so forth. And until the next time, I shall
(30:28):
see and speak to you guys later
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