November 17, 2024 • 22 mins
In this podcast, I talk about the current chair I'm making, with all the mistakes, and carelessness I've inflicted upon it, before I've even finished it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In this podcast, I thought it would be fun to
talk about this chair that I'm making, more specifically, all
the problems and some of the some of the issues.
A lot of it's my own fault, but I thought
it would be fun to talk about that. So before
I do go on with that, my newsletter has went live.
(00:22):
So for anyone that's interested, the veal link in the description.
So you should receive the second edition obviously if you
sign up with your email now and you can go
back and you can read the first edition. So everybody
that did actually sign up, a very big thank you
(00:43):
for that, really appreciate it, and I hope you enjoyed
the newsletter. So, as I said, I thought it would
be fun to go through some of the problems and
whatnot and some things I've got sort out.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I've got actually quite a lot of things to sort out.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
But I think one of the one of the first
things you should be able to say, it's this leg.
This leg is slightly skewed with Now it's not actually
it's not actually the chronical tenant the female portion, which
normally it is. It's actually the leg. So are all
(01:25):
the male portion of the chronical tenants. So I've screwed
up a little bit for the with the chnical tenant,
and it's a little bit out of out of whack.
So that is that is one like problem that I
am gonna have to sort out. So as I said,
I think it's I think it's fun to show to
(01:48):
show people your mistakes because I think on social media,
I think everything just looks prim and proper, doesn't it,
And and there's not a lot of people that show
the mistakes. So as I said, this is this is
going to be full of mistakes and a.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Little bit problematic.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So keeping up keeping up with the legs. Another problem
what I've got with at least two of the legs
is that when I've selected the material the beach they are,
when I've selected the beach for the for the the legs,
(02:28):
basically I've been a little bit careless and out of
the four legs, two of them the grain runs out
a little bit. So I don't know how much of
a problem this could be. But basically, for anyone that
doesn't know anyone that hasn't built chairs before or tables
(02:49):
or anything like that, the best thing you can do
is to have your is to have the grain of
the piece of maturial you're going to use for the
leg to just be running as straight as possible, and
that way it's going to be as strong as possible
because all the force is gonna be going ngrain and grain.
So you've got the top of the table or the chair,
(03:11):
and you've obviously got the floor, so it's you've got
that sort of compression and it's going engring and grain.
So where you get the problem is that when let's
just say the grain is running down, it's running quite straight,
and then as it gets to maybe half the leg
or three quarters a leg, it might just start to
(03:31):
sweep out.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So when that happens, the problem.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
The problem with it is that when the when the
force is being applied downward force has been applied, it's
it's got the how to put this if there's enough
force applied, if there's like you know, I don't know,
somebody picks a chair up, when a child picks a
chair up, for instance, and drops drops the chair, well
(03:58):
while the child's carrying it somewhere, or even even an adult,
you know your slip trip, you let go of the chair.
So if if that leg hits normally is what it
would do, because all the grains going the same way,
it would just dunk in the there's very little chance
that's gonna gonna snap. And if it does snap, it's
(04:20):
gonna be it's gonna be a messy splint, if that
makes sense, because all the grains running the right way.
So if it was just to snap, it would, you know,
kind of you would be able to you would be
able to see what what I was meaning. If like
a branch, if you've ever snapped a branch, a branch,
branch doesn't kind of split off. It just it kind
(04:42):
of splits and us all like little, you know, kind
of little fibers all over the place. Whereas if you
are to break a leg and it's got the grain
running out, a lot of the time it will kind
of split and it'll just break like that. And this
is what one of the problems that I've got with two.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Of the legs.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So I think most likely it's been my eyes and
I've kind of I've kind of looked at it and thought, yeah, yeah,
that's fine, that's fine, that's fine, that's fine. And it
was from the same piece of timber the legs, So again,
it's probably I've probably been looking at the grain for yeah, fine, fine, fine, fine,
(05:25):
and I haven't followed me.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I haven't followed the grain all the way down on
four enough or to the back of the board and
realized that's when straight straight and then started to run out.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
So in the.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Future that might that might bite us in the bum.
It might, it might not, It depends, but there's always
there's always that possibility that that two or four of
these legs with enough force could potentially fracture, and you know,
it will be like a clean fraction, So it depends.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It could, it could be there.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But on one of them, I'd obviously started doing the
chnical tenant and I've got I've got different I had
different direction in grain, which again tells us that at
the at the very at the very bottom or the
very top of the leg where the chronicle tenant is,
(06:25):
as I was shaving round, to start shaving the chronicle tenants,
so I was going round round, round, round round, and
I've got like a third a third of the chronical
tenant left to carve, and I started going against the greens.
So basically that tells us that the grain was kind
of running straight and then it started it started to
(06:47):
run out, if that makes sense. So when I'm applying
a plane just just just a roughly shape it, or
even the drawn knife, which I sometimes do, I was
just I was pulling into the grain.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So again.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That could be problematic in the future because it's it may.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It may snap.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
The chronical tenant itself may snap. So the only the
only saving grace with this is that I've used beach
and beach is extremely extremely hard.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
But it's it's it's not it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Impervios to you know, the forces, whatever force is put
on it, but it is, it is quite it is
quite strong. So that might be a saving grace for myself.
The only other thing I could do, which a lot
of people are probably if you're watching this, you probably
why not just make another leg? So the issue with
(07:52):
making another leg is that it's very time consuming. So
I'm not sure if you will be able to say
on the video you should be able.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
To see but these legs, these legs are actually.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
See if I'm get one out, No, these legs are
actually take bad and also rounds, so you've got like
a bulb in the middle.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, so I haven't got a left to do this.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Wherever we go, there's one, so just to show us
on a video if you're watching on YouTube. So I
ain't gotta I haven't got a left to do this.
So all this has been done by hand. It's been
done with hand planes and cord scrapers and san peper
so as you can imagine, it does actually take us
(08:46):
quite a long time just to do one. So that
does put us off. Yeah, that does actually put us off. Megan,
another chair, another legs. Sorry, So I'm in that scenario
at the moment that I can leave it as is
(09:12):
and say how it goes, and if it does break,
I'm always going to be able to make another one,
another leg. So I think that's what I'm going to
go for because I'm lazy. As I said, my bite
is in the bump. So today I was actually just
(09:35):
making some spindles and yeah, yesterday I made those two.
So I did actually do quite well with getting the
angles right for the for the back rest. Ironically, I
did actually forget to soak the backrest, so it is
(09:59):
soaked and water at the moment. So I've never steam
bent beach before. The only material that I've bent is oak.
Oak bends quite well. I don't know that's firsthand, but
I've never bent beach and this is killing dried beach,
so again, this could be very problematic for us. I
(10:22):
don't know if it's going to bend. There isn't going
to be much of a benz actually in the backrest itself,
because this is going to be a dining cheer, so
it mightn't be too bad. But again with it being
killing dried it just it might be problematic. That's that's
(10:46):
all I'm going to say about that. Another another little
bit of carelessness from myself is that I did actually
get a little bit I kind of get the use out.
I did actually get a little bit gung ho with
the two main posts that are gonna be supporting the backrest.
Basically these have got to be cut. So basically I'm
(11:10):
gonna have a back rest, and the backrest is gonna
be about your heights and it's it's.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Just gonna bend around.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So these are gonna be kind of like the two
main posts, although the other spindles are going to be
roughly the same size as this.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So one of the things I've done is it again, you.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Won't be at the seat on the video, but I
can say just ever so slightly the slightest gap in
both of these. So basically what that means is I've
actually made these, and I've made them slightly a little
bit too a little bit too thin. There should have
been you know, maybe ten millimeters I would have been perfect.
(11:54):
So again that is just carelessness from yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Ironically, I do have to.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I do have to actually make a couple more spindles,
so nothing's going to go to waste, per se. So
the only thing I have to deal with that is
just basically you know, resource some sort. It's not too
bad in that respect. Another mistake what I personally think
I've made is that I've used speech for the seat.
(12:27):
Now typically from what I understand, what I've read, all
the research I've done over over however many years, you know,
both like making odd change here and there, But basically
any sort of construction like this stair construction, typically the
seats is softer and the legs.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Tend to be harder.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So just to give you a little bit of comparison,
maybe you know, maybe elm, like an elm seats and
oak legs or ash legs something like that, because the
ash is a extremely strong and although the the ELM
is is a soft I would it is. The fibers
(13:11):
are quite what I'm looking for here. Yeah, I kind
of think of the I kind of think of the
correct words. Yeah, but anyway, elm elm is But basically
the fibers the what is it?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Is it dense?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't think that's the right description, But anyway, ELM
is used a lot, and I think the problem with
the beach is that this is absolutely tough as nails.
It's an absolute nightmare to to work. So when I
do come to start shaping the seat, I've got a
(13:48):
lot of shapement. Obviously there's a specific shape that I
want it. Again, you won't be able to say this,
it's very faint pencil, but basically all four corners are
gonna have a have an arc on them. So basically
the front of the seat is obviously what we're gonna
(14:11):
call out word we're reference lane. So from here we've
got eighty degrees on both sides that.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Tape us down to the back.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So basically what's gonna happen when I finally shape with
is that we're gonna have an arc on either side,
not on the front.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
In an arc on the back.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And on the under side, just to give it the
appearance of being a little bit thinner. I'm actually gonna
apply a bevel and obviously this is going to have
some sort of saddle. It might just be a little
a little bevel in it, excuse me. Might it might
just be a little a little ridge in it. Or
I might do a little, you know, a little saddle.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Overly shoe yet, but it's gonna it's gonna be our
per think it's going to be a little bit problematic
because when I do come to do with the saddle,
I'm gonna be using this guy. Yeah, so this is
a travisher. I've had this for quite some time now.
It probably needs a good shot. And to be honest,
but I think this might this might struggle with the beach.
(15:20):
Perhaps I haven't tried it yet. I haven't said that
thinking about it now, because it's actually got a an
arch blade, it mightn't be as bad as some of
the planes. But the the straight planes, the straight edge
planes couldn't cutting edges like me like me Cannat or
(15:43):
Me number four, or even even the bevel up on
me number five bevel up jack plane. All of those
struggled with the grain on this wood, with the worst
being bevel down. The bevel down seemed to struggle really
(16:03):
really like badly with it bevel fed a little bit better. So,
as I said, I'm not sure, I'm not sure how
how good or bad this is going to perform.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So I think I think I've I've made a bit
of a booboo using the beach.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
At the time, I thought, yeah, you know, I've got
a load of beach, just use it type of thing.
You know, I've got it really cheap, So it seemed
like a good idea at the time. It's a shame
because this past week I have seen me like a
lot of progress because these seats have been like ongoing
for however long and have just been getting put to
(16:47):
the side, put to the side because they're for meself.
So it's a story in my life. Everything gets gets
gets gets put on side, furniture wise anyway. And you
know it takes us, It takes us forever more to
make these things, you know, same as me. Dining table
took us what five years to make. Now you know,
(17:08):
I'm kind of slowly making the chairs for it.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Another problem that.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I have or have had with this, And again this
is my own fault, is that I keep changing the
design and I really really shouldn't and I'm really really
bad for doing this. I do it on a lot
of things, and I think lately I'm getting worse for
(17:36):
doing it, and it is actually starting the bitters in
the butt a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Now I think I think what I need to do.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I think I need to take more time about thinking
about the design and get something maybe drawn out or
or get or get a clear picture in my head
and stick with it, because I think this is on.
It's on about the fourth different like you know change,
you know, it's it's went from it's went from you know,
(18:11):
having multiple spindles to being like quite quite high, back
to only having maybe you know, four or five spindles
to being lowered down. The legs you know, have went
from being.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
As they are to.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Hexagonal hexagonal tam have went back to this. Yeah, So
I keep on change even the seats, the shape of
the seat. I've changed the shape of the seat. I
think that's changed about four times. Obviously I haven't shaped
the seats, obviously, I've I've left the seat till I
(18:51):
make sure everything's, you know, fitting quite well, then I'll
start shaping the seat. But even now, just just just
looking down and thinking about it, I'm thinking to myself, oh,
that would look nice. So the idea in my head
I afford have this, have this section rounded like the
(19:15):
front corner round it, and I forget that, I forget
the pattern there is it's like a it's probably more
the seats is probably seeing a bit more on like
a like a windsor style. I'll see if I can't
find a picture of what I'm thinking and maybe put
it up on the screen of your watching on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I can't advise you really if you get an idea
in your head and you're happy with the idea and
you can draw it, or you're or you're going to
replicate the chair, because I cannot really say, I cannot
really say this is my design because I'm just I'm
just grabbing pieces from from other people's designs that I've
seen and that I like, and I'm just putting think
(20:00):
that Kalahowa, so you fit. So I can't really say
it's it's it's my own design. It isn't a certain respect,
but I am I am just grabbing ideas from other people.
So I will say that's a good bit of advice
is get a design and stick with a design, and
don't start changing it as as you're building. So a
(20:23):
bit of a recap obviously there's a design. Make sure
when you're doing the legs, especially the legs and the
spindles are just as important. If you don't a back rest,
because you want the you do actually want the grain
to be nice and straight.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And I did one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Make sure visually, of course, because this isn't split, so
I kind of I kind of see one hundred percent,
but visually I did check and all the spindles or
the grain was running in the same direction, look.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Very very straight.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So try and make sure that you can get the
green as straight as possible. You haven't got any runouts.
Obviously it's going to cause well it could cause your
problems in the future, but I should let you know
about that in the future if it does. Check your
material sizes. Obviously you don't want anything to happen like this.
So I think I've been I wouldn't say I wouldn't
(21:23):
say lucky, because obviously I've I've got to make some more,
it wouldn't be too big of a deal to actually
make a couple more of the spindles, but obviously it
is more of a deal to make the leg. And
let's not forget if it all possible, let's try and
get a better selection of material for actually making the chair.
(21:47):
So again, ideally we should get some green timber where
we can split the legs so you're near enough guaranteeing
that the leg via bas are gonna be nice and
straight and you shouldn't have any fractures any in the future,
anything like that. Also with the seats, obviously try and
(22:10):
get a better, you know, a better material for the seat.
I mean, this might be okay, it might it might
work fine, but obviously an el and ELM would have.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Been a lot better.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
But you know, so that's it for the day, guys,
Just to quit one, I just thought i'd point out
some of the mistakes and carelessness. That's that I've a
that I've managed. So until the next time, I shall say,
can speak to you guys later.
In this podcast, I thought it would be fun to
talk about this chair that I'm making, more specifically, all
the problems and some of the some of the issues.
A lot of it's my own fault, but I thought
it would be fun to talk about that. So before
I do go on with that, my newsletter has went live.
(00:22):
So for anyone that's interested, the veal link in the description.
So you should receive the second edition obviously if you
sign up with your email now and you can go
back and you can read the first edition. So everybody
that did actually sign up, a very big thank you
(00:43):
for that, really appreciate it, and I hope you enjoyed
the newsletter. So, as I said, I thought it would
be fun to go through some of the problems and
whatnot and some things I've got sort out.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I've got actually quite a lot of things to sort out.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
But I think one of the one of the first
things you should be able to say, it's this leg.
This leg is slightly skewed with Now it's not actually
it's not actually the chronical tenant the female portion, which
normally it is. It's actually the leg. So are all
(01:25):
the male portion of the chronical tenants. So I've screwed
up a little bit for the with the chnical tenant,
and it's a little bit out of out of whack.
So that is that is one like problem that I
am gonna have to sort out. So as I said,
I think it's I think it's fun to show to
(01:48):
show people your mistakes because I think on social media,
I think everything just looks prim and proper, doesn't it,
And and there's not a lot of people that show
the mistakes. So as I said, this is this is
going to be full of mistakes and a.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Little bit problematic.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So keeping up keeping up with the legs. Another problem
what I've got with at least two of the legs
is that when I've selected the material the beach they are,
when I've selected the beach for the for the the legs,
(02:28):
basically I've been a little bit careless and out of
the four legs, two of them the grain runs out
a little bit. So I don't know how much of
a problem this could be. But basically, for anyone that
doesn't know anyone that hasn't built chairs before or tables
(02:49):
or anything like that, the best thing you can do
is to have your is to have the grain of
the piece of maturial you're going to use for the
leg to just be running as straight as possible, and
that way it's going to be as strong as possible
because all the force is gonna be going ngrain and grain.
So you've got the top of the table or the chair,
(03:11):
and you've obviously got the floor, so it's you've got
that sort of compression and it's going engring and grain.
So where you get the problem is that when let's
just say the grain is running down, it's running quite straight,
and then as it gets to maybe half the leg
or three quarters a leg, it might just start to
(03:31):
sweep out.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So when that happens, the problem.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
The problem with it is that when the when the
force is being applied downward force has been applied, it's
it's got the how to put this if there's enough
force applied, if there's like you know, I don't know,
somebody picks a chair up, when a child picks a
chair up, for instance, and drops drops the chair, well
(03:58):
while the child's carrying it somewhere, or even even an adult,
you know your slip trip, you let go of the chair.
So if if that leg hits normally is what it
would do, because all the grains going the same way,
it would just dunk in the there's very little chance
that's gonna gonna snap. And if it does snap, it's
(04:20):
gonna be it's gonna be a messy splint, if that
makes sense, because all the grains running the right way.
So if it was just to snap, it would, you know,
kind of you would be able to you would be
able to see what what I was meaning. If like
a branch, if you've ever snapped a branch, a branch,
branch doesn't kind of split off. It just it kind
(04:42):
of splits and us all like little, you know, kind
of little fibers all over the place. Whereas if you
are to break a leg and it's got the grain
running out, a lot of the time it will kind
of split and it'll just break like that. And this
is what one of the problems that I've got with two.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Of the legs.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So I think most likely it's been my eyes and
I've kind of I've kind of looked at it and thought, yeah, yeah,
that's fine, that's fine, that's fine, that's fine. And it
was from the same piece of timber the legs, So again,
it's probably I've probably been looking at the grain for yeah, fine, fine, fine, fine,
(05:25):
and I haven't followed me.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I haven't followed the grain all the way down on
four enough or to the back of the board and
realized that's when straight straight and then started to run out.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
So in the.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Future that might that might bite us in the bum.
It might, it might not, It depends, but there's always
there's always that possibility that that two or four of
these legs with enough force could potentially fracture, and you know,
it will be like a clean fraction, So it depends.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It could, it could be there.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But on one of them, I'd obviously started doing the
chnical tenant and I've got I've got different I had
different direction in grain, which again tells us that at
the at the very at the very bottom or the
very top of the leg where the chronicle tenant is,
(06:25):
as I was shaving round, to start shaving the chronicle tenants,
so I was going round round, round, round round, and
I've got like a third a third of the chronical
tenant left to carve, and I started going against the greens.
So basically that tells us that the grain was kind
of running straight and then it started it started to
(06:47):
run out, if that makes sense. So when I'm applying
a plane just just just a roughly shape it, or
even the drawn knife, which I sometimes do, I was
just I was pulling into the grain.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So again.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That could be problematic in the future because it's it may.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It may snap.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
The chronical tenant itself may snap. So the only the
only saving grace with this is that I've used beach
and beach is extremely extremely hard.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
But it's it's it's not it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Impervios to you know, the forces, whatever force is put
on it, but it is, it is quite it is
quite strong. So that might be a saving grace for myself.
The only other thing I could do, which a lot
of people are probably if you're watching this, you probably
why not just make another leg? So the issue with
(07:52):
making another leg is that it's very time consuming. So
I'm not sure if you will be able to say
on the video you should be able.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
To see but these legs, these legs are actually.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
See if I'm get one out, No, these legs are
actually take bad and also rounds, so you've got like
a bulb in the middle.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, so I haven't got a left to do this.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Wherever we go, there's one, so just to show us
on a video if you're watching on YouTube. So I
ain't gotta I haven't got a left to do this.
So all this has been done by hand. It's been
done with hand planes and cord scrapers and san peper
so as you can imagine, it does actually take us
(08:46):
quite a long time just to do one. So that
does put us off. Yeah, that does actually put us off. Megan,
another chair, another legs. Sorry, So I'm in that scenario
at the moment that I can leave it as is
(09:12):
and say how it goes, and if it does break,
I'm always going to be able to make another one,
another leg. So I think that's what I'm going to
go for because I'm lazy. As I said, my bite
is in the bump. So today I was actually just
(09:35):
making some spindles and yeah, yesterday I made those two.
So I did actually do quite well with getting the
angles right for the for the back rest. Ironically, I
did actually forget to soak the backrest, so it is
(09:59):
soaked and water at the moment. So I've never steam
bent beach before. The only material that I've bent is oak.
Oak bends quite well. I don't know that's firsthand, but
I've never bent beach and this is killing dried beach,
so again, this could be very problematic for us. I
(10:22):
don't know if it's going to bend. There isn't going
to be much of a benz actually in the backrest itself,
because this is going to be a dining cheer, so
it mightn't be too bad. But again with it being
killing dried it just it might be problematic. That's that's
(10:46):
all I'm going to say about that. Another another little
bit of carelessness from myself is that I did actually
get a little bit I kind of get the use out.
I did actually get a little bit gung ho with
the two main posts that are gonna be supporting the backrest.
Basically these have got to be cut. So basically I'm
(11:10):
gonna have a back rest, and the backrest is gonna
be about your heights and it's it's.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Just gonna bend around.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So these are gonna be kind of like the two
main posts, although the other spindles are going to be
roughly the same size as this.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So one of the things I've done is it again, you.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Won't be at the seat on the video, but I
can say just ever so slightly the slightest gap in
both of these. So basically what that means is I've
actually made these, and I've made them slightly a little
bit too a little bit too thin. There should have
been you know, maybe ten millimeters I would have been perfect.
(11:54):
So again that is just carelessness from yourself.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Ironically, I do have to.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I do have to actually make a couple more spindles,
so nothing's going to go to waste, per se. So
the only thing I have to deal with that is
just basically you know, resource some sort. It's not too
bad in that respect. Another mistake what I personally think
I've made is that I've used speech for the seat.
(12:27):
Now typically from what I understand, what I've read, all
the research I've done over over however many years, you know,
both like making odd change here and there, But basically
any sort of construction like this stair construction, typically the
seats is softer and the legs.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Tend to be harder.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So just to give you a little bit of comparison,
maybe you know, maybe elm, like an elm seats and
oak legs or ash legs something like that, because the
ash is a extremely strong and although the the ELM
is is a soft I would it is. The fibers
(13:11):
are quite what I'm looking for here. Yeah, I kind
of think of the I kind of think of the
correct words. Yeah, but anyway, elm elm is But basically
the fibers the what is it?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Is it dense?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't think that's the right description, But anyway, ELM
is used a lot, and I think the problem with
the beach is that this is absolutely tough as nails.
It's an absolute nightmare to to work. So when I
do come to start shaping the seat, I've got a
(13:48):
lot of shapement. Obviously there's a specific shape that I
want it. Again, you won't be able to say this,
it's very faint pencil, but basically all four corners are
gonna have a have an arc on them. So basically
the front of the seat is obviously what we're gonna
(14:11):
call out word we're reference lane. So from here we've
got eighty degrees on both sides that.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Tape us down to the back.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So basically what's gonna happen when I finally shape with
is that we're gonna have an arc on either side,
not on the front.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
In an arc on the back.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And on the under side, just to give it the
appearance of being a little bit thinner. I'm actually gonna
apply a bevel and obviously this is going to have
some sort of saddle. It might just be a little
a little bevel in it, excuse me. Might it might
just be a little a little ridge in it. Or
I might do a little, you know, a little saddle.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Overly shoe yet, but it's gonna it's gonna be our
per think it's going to be a little bit problematic
because when I do come to do with the saddle,
I'm gonna be using this guy. Yeah, so this is
a travisher. I've had this for quite some time now.
It probably needs a good shot. And to be honest,
but I think this might this might struggle with the beach.
(15:20):
Perhaps I haven't tried it yet. I haven't said that
thinking about it now, because it's actually got a an
arch blade, it mightn't be as bad as some of
the planes. But the the straight planes, the straight edge
planes couldn't cutting edges like me like me Cannat or
(15:43):
Me number four, or even even the bevel up on
me number five bevel up jack plane. All of those
struggled with the grain on this wood, with the worst
being bevel down. The bevel down seemed to struggle really
(16:03):
really like badly with it bevel fed a little bit better. So,
as I said, I'm not sure, I'm not sure how
how good or bad this is going to perform.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So I think I think I've I've made a bit
of a booboo using the beach.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
At the time, I thought, yeah, you know, I've got
a load of beach, just use it type of thing.
You know, I've got it really cheap, So it seemed
like a good idea at the time. It's a shame
because this past week I have seen me like a
lot of progress because these seats have been like ongoing
for however long and have just been getting put to
(16:47):
the side, put to the side because they're for meself.
So it's a story in my life. Everything gets gets
gets gets put on side, furniture wise anyway. And you
know it takes us, It takes us forever more to
make these things, you know, same as me. Dining table
took us what five years to make. Now you know,
(17:08):
I'm kind of slowly making the chairs for it.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Another problem that.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I have or have had with this, And again this
is my own fault, is that I keep changing the
design and I really really shouldn't and I'm really really
bad for doing this. I do it on a lot
of things, and I think lately I'm getting worse for
(17:36):
doing it, and it is actually starting the bitters in
the butt a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Now I think I think what I need to do.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I think I need to take more time about thinking
about the design and get something maybe drawn out or
or get or get a clear picture in my head
and stick with it, because I think this is on.
It's on about the fourth different like you know change,
you know, it's it's went from it's went from you know,
(18:11):
having multiple spindles to being like quite quite high, back
to only having maybe you know, four or five spindles
to being lowered down. The legs you know, have went
from being.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
As they are to.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Hexagonal hexagonal tam have went back to this. Yeah, So
I keep on change even the seats, the shape of
the seat. I've changed the shape of the seat. I
think that's changed about four times. Obviously I haven't shaped
the seats, obviously, I've I've left the seat till I
(18:51):
make sure everything's, you know, fitting quite well, then I'll
start shaping the seat. But even now, just just just
looking down and thinking about it, I'm thinking to myself, oh,
that would look nice. So the idea in my head
I afford have this, have this section rounded like the
(19:15):
front corner round it, and I forget that, I forget
the pattern there is it's like a it's probably more
the seats is probably seeing a bit more on like
a like a windsor style. I'll see if I can't
find a picture of what I'm thinking and maybe put
it up on the screen of your watching on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I can't advise you really if you get an idea
in your head and you're happy with the idea and
you can draw it, or you're or you're going to
replicate the chair, because I cannot really say, I cannot
really say this is my design because I'm just I'm
just grabbing pieces from from other people's designs that I've
seen and that I like, and I'm just putting think
(20:00):
that Kalahowa, so you fit. So I can't really say
it's it's it's my own design. It isn't a certain respect,
but I am I am just grabbing ideas from other people.
So I will say that's a good bit of advice
is get a design and stick with a design, and
don't start changing it as as you're building. So a
(20:23):
bit of a recap obviously there's a design. Make sure
when you're doing the legs, especially the legs and the
spindles are just as important. If you don't a back rest,
because you want the you do actually want the grain
to be nice and straight.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And I did one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Make sure visually, of course, because this isn't split, so
I kind of I kind of see one hundred percent,
but visually I did check and all the spindles or
the grain was running in the same direction, look.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Very very straight.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So try and make sure that you can get the
green as straight as possible. You haven't got any runouts.
Obviously it's going to cause well it could cause your
problems in the future, but I should let you know
about that in the future if it does. Check your
material sizes. Obviously you don't want anything to happen like this.
So I think I've been I wouldn't say I wouldn't
(21:23):
say lucky, because obviously I've I've got to make some more,
it wouldn't be too big of a deal to actually
make a couple more of the spindles, but obviously it
is more of a deal to make the leg. And
let's not forget if it all possible, let's try and
get a better selection of material for actually making the chair.
(21:47):
So again, ideally we should get some green timber where
we can split the legs so you're near enough guaranteeing
that the leg via bas are gonna be nice and
straight and you shouldn't have any fractures any in the future,
anything like that. Also with the seats, obviously try and
(22:10):
get a better, you know, a better material for the seat.
I mean, this might be okay, it might it might
work fine, but obviously an el and ELM would have.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Been a lot better.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
But you know, so that's it for the day, guys,
Just to quit one, I just thought i'd point out
some of the mistakes and carelessness. That's that I've a
that I've managed. So until the next time, I shall say,
can speak to you guys later.
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