Dull-A-Palooza | FALLS COUNT ANYWHERE

Earnest ‘EJ’ Christian and Rob The Genius discuss the highlights from the WrestlePalooza PLE, Bleacher Report’s Top 25 Female wrestlers all time, Heel vs. Face #2, and a Randy Savage biopic.

📺: WATCH THIS EPISODE
https://www.youtube.com/live/Z...

Follow Earnest ‘EJ’ Christian on Social Media

X:
http://twitter.com/ejchristian...

TIK TOK
http://www.tiktok.com/@earnspeakpod

INSTAGRAM:
http://instagram.com/earnest_c...

FACEBOOK:
http://facebook.com/earnestchr...

THREADS
https://www.threads.net/@earnest_christian

BLUE SKY
https://bsky.app/profile/ejchr...

Rate and review the Earnestly Speaking Podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, dude, fal scout anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Recording is actually about a day and a half earlier,
actually a day earlier tho we recorded.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I am a host.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Ernest E. J.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Christian recorded this of course December twir twenty five. We
are now coming.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Off the debut ESPN debut on to a debut on
ESPN rest Balsa. Of course, Jordan here. Every week we
do this with the man, Rob the Genius. He's one
third of the Mindpress podcast, also host of the Rob
the Genius podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Rob. Did you you able to watch? Were you? Because
I was not?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yes, I just beat the clock actually because I was
trying to get the thing to work on my smart TV. Yeah,
and it was not working. So and like it wasn't
just I wasn't able to get it through like the
the ESPN app on my smart TV, and so I

(01:56):
just I just one of my laptop. But I went
to the ESPN website and it was a live tab
and I clicked on there and since like since I'm
still since I'm still a caveman and has to have cable.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, nothing wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
But we were told though, Rob that if you had
cable you were fine.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, I mean I was ultimately but I just I
couldn't get it to come through on my on the
on the TV, so I had to just watch it
on my laptop. So now between I got two weeks
to figure out how to get this stuff to play
on my TV.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
For Crown Jewel, Right, yeah, bro, I had a rent
on the on the pod earlier day on my on
my regular solo Tuesday podcast, and I had a rent
on this, and I said, listen, every wrestling fans is
gonna have a breaking point with this whole all the
ship the w is doing.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
We discussed that nogine on this show all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
All the things are doing with the wrestlmating changes got
from New Orleans Vegas moving to a Saudi Arabia price,
ticket prices going through the roof, x Y and z
ME moved around ESPN this Every individual wrestling fans is
gonna have a breaking point.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I think I'm reaching mine right now because I don't. Look.
The only way.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I can justify adding thirty dollars to my budget is
if that damn library comes along with it. Yes, okay,
I cannot justify paying thirty dollars a month solely for
pls because I don't need ESPN outside of that, So
I'm basically paying I'm paying things for plis that is it.

(03:39):
Everything else, all the programming One Night Football and be
Basketball Baseball also they do normally I already get so
I'm not paying any anything else other than PL's at
this point. And for a record, I did not. I
did not add to it. I did not get it.
I didn't I missed it. I watched the highlights today
for you know, earlier and uh, there you go, so.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
OHT know.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I I will have a decision to make in next
two weeks. I will say that. Okay, anyway, Polosa.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
We want to go through each match, We'll just go
through the.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Highlights of here. Obviously, the biggest highlight brought Lessner destroys.
Uh John Cena.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I didn't watch the entire match. I heard it was
a good match.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Now, the feedback I've gotten from this entire show is
that people think this think this thing was dull, It
wasn't worth the money. That it was just the hype
was the hype. But once once the show happened, it
was like, oh typical?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
All right? On on paper it looked a lot better
than it turned out. I'll say that because like, well,
the thing was and scene, the versus Brock just nobody
wanted to see that go the way the okay, but

(05:04):
the way the wait ended just not Yeah, nobody wanted
to see Broctice beat him in eight minutes.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I did, I did. I happened. There the kids crying.
I love that.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Oh yes, okay, no, but it's not time for that.
He's got five days left. You can do that with Cody, okay,
who has years ahead of him. Right, we're down now.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I mean, just I got you.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I got your point though, and I'm and the best
way he made was the fact that it was the
five days left. How you got Screek five dates more
storylines than five dates like I had. If he was
doing more raws or more smackdowns in between now and
then yeah, I can see, uh you know, but yeah
I got that point.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
And just it killed the crowd in the building and
put it with I mean, you may like it. It's
one of those things where you may like it, but
most of the people were just like, what is the ship?
And just from commentary online and just from the mood,
you know, from what you could hear, the mood in
the building no, I mean, okay, this is the home stretch,

(06:15):
and look going okay, once he lost the belt back
to Cody and switched back to be Babyface, then you know,
now it's just we're just this is the victory lab.
I mean, I think that's what everybody wants most want,
just the victory lab. You know, he used to come
out there, have a few more matches and get hand
raised and and and if you get to see him,

(06:37):
you know, you get to celebrate. Right, That's I mean,
that's where it. I mean, that's where we are with this.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Now we assume anyway.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Where we should be. I'm gonna go ahead and say
that's where we shouldn't be. It's just it's not I mean,
it's this not time to do No, it's not time
for that. And and basically it was like a short,
shorter rerun of the summer slam etche that they had,
you know, back in twenty fourteen. But the difference is

(07:11):
that there was there was no point to doing at
this time because I mean, you know, Brock doesn't need
anybody to procted. You know, Brock didn't need to get certified,
all right, And this is like, I mean, only the
only purpose to do this is to have him if
he beats Brock in his last match. But I mean nobody,

(07:34):
I mean, okay, again, most of the people watching just
it just most people didn't want to see that. It
just put a sour taste in everybody's mouth. And yeah,
just this is not the time for that.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay, I mean, but it does.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
And it has been the question though, if they're doing
this now, with this late in the game and works,
as you say, expecting something to be you know, the
the you know, the victory. Laugh of course, what's next
because I think here, here's the thing. I think this
is that had more to a Brock. I think by
the way I tweeted, I tweeted the other day, he
looks fantastic.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh yeah, bro.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
He he hasn't looked this good physically since two thousand
and two, Like he's cut, you know, he's cut like
he was like two thousand four. Like he has looked
looked this good physically since then. It makes sense that
this is more I think about Brock and how they're

(08:38):
gonna use him. By the way, I got goosebumps watching
Paul Hayman walk out there out of nowhere and int
intro him.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, look that that's the most out of all their
the that's the most viewed highlight video from the p
l A. But okay, I get it. Broadcast came back.
You don't want losing, Yeah, just have him get this
qualified or something.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Man.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
And then I mean, okay, fine, yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
The one thing.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Aw did it right with Sting? Okay, they knew nobody,
nobody who paid money to come see Sting, I was
coming to see him lose, okay, and so he didn't.
The whole time he was there, he didn't lose the match,
and nobody wanted to see that. I feel you, and

(09:35):
we're at that point, like well, sinah, I mean we're
at that point now where I mean very I mean yeah,
I mean, I mean you know, I mean.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I get it, man, I totally get it.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
And I think the reason why this might be the
case is because I think there's something bigger on the
on the back end of this. For for Brock, I mean,
this is the thing where where you're frustrated, and I
get that, and I totally I see you at the point.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
I know I disagree with you.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I do think this frustration might lead to Okay, so
what what are they doing exactly?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
This is this is the word w does they do
history do well?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Like remember what happened with biancle bell Aer back in
twenty twenty two when she lost to Becky at the
SummerSlam and in the moment we were all pissed off
and this in eight no sense? How she does to
Becky in eight seconds and then they paid it off.
They eventually paid off like eight months later. This situation here,
I think we may get paid off. I think I'm
hoping they get paid off. Well on this on this storeline.

(10:35):
Now it may hurt Sina, but whatever scene is, he's
leaving anyway, so whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
But no, I'm sorry, I'm just I'm over this obsession
people have with you know, putting people over on your
way out of the door.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
But if there's one guy really that if see you
want to get this strung, one guy.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
You have to meet. This is the guy that makes
the most sense.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Like it was if it was a Sammy Zay doing
this or some random, you know, really good wrestler, but
you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I can understand it. Brock Lesner doing this ship makes
the most.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Sense because it's brock Lesner and that and only that
he looks now too on top of that.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Okay, okay, so now I mean if he beats Brocken
last week, yeah, if he beats brockn his last match,
and okay, fine, but but but if it doesn't happen,
then this was just Oh. I mean, if you want
to feed somebody to Brock, you know, just to show
that he's back, pick somebody else, man, I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
No, I I I get it, man, I I get it.
I think what I where where I think I will
agree with you? Is this rather than him beating Sina,
the DQ thing would have been something I would have
looked at too, to keep Sena above water. But I
do think the idea of destroying Sina I love that
because I hate seeing obviously this because it makes sense.

(12:02):
And again I think this is a bigger picture that
I think Brock is they. I think they're gonna book
brock for something here very soon. The fact that Paul
Hyman is already I'm not sure if it's official yet,
if him and him are boys again in there, he's
gonna be involved with him in and Seth and whatnot.
But this is setting up something where if that's the case,

(12:24):
then we're probably getting a one more big Brock run.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Here, okay, and I mean I just beaten fifty year
old Johnson. Really what's that doing for?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I mean, I mean, Brock's not much more younger he is,
either's like forty years no, but.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I mean, but it's just like, okay, they sting didn't
lose because there was nothing a game from being the
sixty year old's name to sixty years old. Everybody knew it, right,
I just.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
But we st surprised too, also because see did say
in his promo before in the match that you know,
I may get destroy by by Brock, I'm gonna keep fighting.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
So he kind of teased that. He kind of teased
the fact that this is probably gonna happen. I'm not
gonna beat Brock. He might fuck me up.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Or maybe Look, if they had had some twenty minute match,
there's some Titanic struggling and Brock pulled it out. Okay,
but he there's no need for him to no, I mean,
just he just beat him up eight minutes.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
You really hate this ship though.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Now now in twenty fourteen, it was okay, good right now.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
But honestly, bro I'm kind of surprised to hate it
because I figured, well, there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
To gain by it. He's leaving, there's nothing to gain.
But what do we gain it we can put it.
We need to pull over Brock Lanner.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I mean, I think the reason with the game I
think it is for this is for Brock. I think
for Sea. I think seen his game in the favor.
I mean, no, the thing is is a few done
now because like I think.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Because it looks like it and that's the other thing.
It's just it was pointless, man. I mean you could
have I mean, if you want to feed the money
Brock and feed somebody else.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
So I think he was I think he was not
mistaken is resting styles.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yes, And it looks it looks like he just basically
went on Twitter and was like what y'all Like, Hey,
y'all want to do this next? And people said yeah,
which tells me that he wasn't really in on this.
That basically that with this name of Brock, he basically
did what he was told to do and he wouldn't
feeling it either. But you know, he's a he's a

(14:37):
company guy. He doesn't you know, he does not you know,
he doesn't if you know, if it's if it's to
somebody who's you know, yeah, work the victory. Then he
goes out here, go there, do the job. But it
seems to me like he wouldn't really you know, he
wasn't really excited about it either, because why I mean again, why.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
You know what, I should text Duke right now ask
him how you prob about this match?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Deserves no because tomorrow morning, what rubber we're giving the
brock lesson.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I want to see you, Duke get into it about
this because if Duke agrees with me and or whatever,
or it disagrees with you for example, I want to
see you get.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Duke is a fitted bootlooker now okay, okay, everything everything
they do is great than him.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Payroll I told I already told Duke man you are
a fucking w W shill like you are, Like, I hope.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
They're paying him. I hope he's on payroll acting like it.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
The things I agree with you, though, I agree with
you on hundred percent on that. Here's my question, don
t Rob you know good? Then another batch?

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Here?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Are they teasing a Jay who's so heel turned.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I've like the art a little bit.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
No, I think it's just he's starting Roman said about
a month or so ago, you need to start you
need to start thinking about yourself more. And so he's
doing that. But no, no, he's not turning.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I'm that I agree, but dude, who wants to see that?
I don't want to see it either.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
But at the same time, no, no, no, I agree
with you, but this is overthinking and this no, this
is just this is okay.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
But you said, though, think about yourself in the in
the wrestling parlance, when you're selfish.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Those are Helis qualities.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Right, And then what's going to happen is he's going
to realize that it ain't work and then and then
it it's not working time for you know, and then
look mean war Games is coming up. They're gonna be
on the same team, and he's going to realize that, hey,
this isn't this doesn't it's so interesting, doesn't work for me.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
So because because I get the whole him in La
Knight thing that that poart, I get up beyond that, though,
But I feel like there's something been looking at I lately,
does dim looking as I last.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Time, I'm raw a little different looking as I will say.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Why do you want to turn here?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Why did you watch did you watch Ross name?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yes, it was better than the po by far.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
You told is why we called episode stayed double bl.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Go ahead, but no again that that would be just
that would be a total brain fart. Okay, nobody wants
to see that, Okay, because Jay's whole thing is you know,
is coming through the crowd and and you know all
of that. I mean, is he gonna stop doing that?
I mean, see, no, just nobody wants to see.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
That, all right, No, I mean I mean the woss
up up together again pretty much. Jimmy has been helping
out La night here and there, and yes, so.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
There's gonna mean you know they're gonna have a bumpy
road for the next few months.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Of course, but it's I will say, though you know
we're in the fall. Now, does this compelling storytelling? They're
doing good job, make some compelling story each year the
brock thing has he has he has me bought every
Now even though Jay Usso may may not turn heel,
You're probably not gonna turn heels. It's a tease, just
to tease a long rob though fielsing some fills in
some some gaps until he gets to Roy Rumble.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Well, and I think it'll be settled about it, and
it'll be settled when they all come back together for
the war games. I yeah, yeah, but I mean yeah,
but but it does, Yes, it does, I mean it does,
it does help, it does add something.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Then the biggest and one of the most important things
I remember, like with the whole bloodline thing, is they
firmly established these characters and who they were. That's why,
uh you know, that's why these little hints and whatnot
kind of you know, they stand out because Jay has

(19:00):
a Jay has an established personality, so it's Jimmy and
so it was Roman. So you know, Roman telling him
you need to be a little more selfish. You know
that's not just a throwaway line, because we know we've
watched for five years. Jay has been you know, thrown
himself in a grenade for everybody, you know, and so

(19:24):
it is good storytelling and it's good and it's a
good play on the character. I just I don't think
but you know, like no think you turn.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I'm with you. I'm with you on that. But doesn't
mean he wins, he's attempted.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Just take a storytelling you know, you got a new
w W Women's World tip champion now. Yes, Stephanie Pucker
when I surprised we both picked her to win The
Magic is Eel Sky.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, and I said it was for the reason, the
way that the story was going with EO and Oscar,
it made more sense.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
For not win. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
This is the time of your day, This is the
time of year to experiment, experiment on things, kind of feelings.
Is gonna work though, kind of I'm kind of like,
unlike the nikky crossedon a couple of years ago and
lived Morgan a couple of years ago, with.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
An experiment on this time, I feel like this is
gonna work. I like her work and ring. She's pretty.
She's really she's a good, pretty decent stick.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
She's very attractive. I really text you guys that she's
fucking gorgeous. More one, all right, kind of like she
has that she has a chance to really look. I
don't think e was reaching Rhea's you know, crating chorus.
No one is at this point. But if there's someone
right now in the middle of the ranks that has
a chance to really get gained some ground and get
at least to a level where it's maybe flirting with that,

(20:42):
I think she has the opportunity to get there your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Okay, no, well where Ria is just Ria is so
far ahead of every woman on the roster. And then
you know, because it's like it's just it's a combination
of factors that you all and like, I don't think
you can't you can't predict anyone else getting there. Do

(21:07):
I think Stephanie has a chance to become one of
the kind of women in the world title of rotation
going forward, you know, over the next few years. Yeah,
and now I think the cool well, I mean, Nikki
crossed that. I mean, I mean it was a cute idea,

(21:28):
but then you know, after it's up, she's mis Champion
and she's in the Goofy superhero costume, and you know,
she's five feet tall, and you know, and it just
that just was never gonna.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Stay you even you even knew in real time that
thing was definite to start even new in real time
like this isn't this is not.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Working, bro, Well it was. It was just a temporary
thing anyway. I mean, it was never designed to be
like she was just there to catch in the briefcase
and hold the belt for a few weeks and lose
it back to Charlotte basically that's what was there for.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Makes a place her.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, and with Live it was just they didn't That
was kind of booked on the fly also because she
was originally supposed to She was originally supposed to just
lose it right back to Ronda, but then they wanted
they tried playing around with kind of turning around the heel,
so they had to keep it a little bit longer.

(22:26):
And that one really didn't. Yeah, I mean that that
didn't go so great. I think most Look, Stephanie is
a better wrestler than either.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Of them, so as a fighting chance to make this work.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's just again but you
know again you don't again. But all these people who
were holding these belts for the first time, you don't
really know until after they've lost it and and then
you know, you know, whether where they get another crack
at it or what. But I think we'll do well.

(23:06):
I was just gonna let it play out and see
how it goes. But they got to book her some.
You know, they need to book her some. You know,
sometimes they need to book her a story though, and
not just have her go out there and do manages
because that that's a good way to end up, because
right now, I mean, you got you got this stuff
going on with EO and Oscar and Real Ripley, and

(23:26):
then you got the stuff with Becky and aj On Raw.
If Stephanie is just going out there and just having matches,
then yeah she did that. That's you know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
With you? Yeah, would you? Uh what do you think
of the mixed time?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Next?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
It was too damn long. I mean it was thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I'm not mistake. I heard someone say that was ad
Lee's longest match's career.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Great, yes, yeah, and put its way. If if it
had been fifteen minutes, that had been perfect. But it
was thirty minutes. It's too damn long. And it went
from like a fun match, it turned into a slog.
It turned to a circle jerk. Okay, and like.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
A circle jerk.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yes, it was four again.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I watched again. I watched the edited version.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I watched the the recap A minute version of w
W pumps out every uh.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Every week, Yes, because yeah, it turned into like they
were all doing stuff to pop themselves right basically and
annoying it. Yeah, I mean and look, I mean, now
you know I've seen basically their two opinions on this match.
Mine is, you know, there are people who grew with
me that it was just too damn long and it
got silf indulgent. And then but then there are people

(24:51):
who were just really happy to see her back and
they didn't care. Okay, they didn't carry out so personally,
I guess know because now I I was never a
big fan of hers anyway, I was indifferent. Okay, but
you know they're but there are definitely some people who
loved her to death and thought she was the greatest
thing ever when she was active before, and so you know,

(25:16):
for them, this is like the greatest thing ever. And
I won't argue with I'm not going to argue with
it and tell them that we know you're wrong. No,
I'm not gonna do that. But for me, again, you know,
I was pretty indifferent than her when she was there
the first time, So for me, you know, it was
too damn long.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm with you, bro, I'm with you on that one,
you know, I mean, honestly, I know you and I
had said on the show last week that we would
like to have seen Adrew McIntyre Tyler run a chance.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
The Talleman and when this magic is.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Cody tell you what they had me convincedful while that
this might might have happened again. This is this is
this is this is what I call experimental season. You're
gonna try things in September offs on the rim December,
might as well try now.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
But they didn't do it. Oh, I will say the
way the book that was fine.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Though, well it was it was again, well it went
over flat. And I mean just from the reactions you
know I saw that night and even like in the building,
I mean, it was just it was just kind of like, yeah,
it was it was a flat you know.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Because then it was like I thought, you know, I
thought they had a chance to really, you know, do
a nice that you could have done a nice program
with Drew and Cody through the end of the year
or in January, I thought. But basically this was just
this was just a one off match and they immediately
shifted to the you know, the Crown Jewel Champion Champions

(26:54):
match with South Rolands and and so for me, if
that's what you were doing anyway, then you don't book
this match, because to me, it feels like they just
wasted opportunity. To me, they could have gotten more out
of this with Cody and Drew, and instead they just
again they did one off match and now it's you know,

(27:20):
and yeah, it's just too It was a flat ending.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I mean, I will say though they made him look
strong in the end.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Drew looked strong like he didn't He lost Queen, yes,
but only because he got hurt by the the you know,
the trying to break his face outside the ring, by
the nouns table, hurting his knee.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
But even I mean maybe that was kind of calmon
because the referee was in the way, and yeah, and
so like why was the referee doing that?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, but I think way better set up too, what
is he doing the way?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
And and yeah, exactly, and it was it was just
kind of dumb.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
I mean I feel that. Yeah, way in the first place,
it is beyond me.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So that and then and then you know, then the
tag team aster do so I mean that was just
all right as far as I know. They didn't announce
it as an ODQ match, right as far as I know.
And then you know, La Knight was a special referee
and he just said let him use chairs and in tables.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
He just let them do it, right, this one consistent, Hey,
this one consistent with these things?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well, because I mean, because the whole point of having
a special referee is that during the match, you know,
the way they enforced the rules, That's why you had
them there, so for them to enforce the rules a
certain way and for it to cause tension between them
and the people who were in the match, right, And
so he just let them use chairs and.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Let them bring a table in the ring.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
And there were a couple of times where he argued
with them, with the with all the guys, but it
just it didn't hit the same if you, I mean,
what are you arguing about if you let my ring,
if you let the mind bring a chair in the ring,
and then what are you arguing with him with about late?
You know, what are you arguing with him about later?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Right? And it was just you know, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
And then unfortunately they had to I think, I don't
know how long it was supposed to go, but they
had to. But they had to call it early because
Jay busted himself open. He got called on a recoil
when he saw a chair and he busted himself open,
and they just had to get out of there.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, from what I saw was a
solid match, but yeah, convoluted spots too well. So so,
like I said, I keep hearingybody Tom about just being
a dull Poe and you know, maybe I have to.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Watch the entire thing without getting cut.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I watched an edited version, so I saw all the highlights,
so I didn't get a chance to really look at
see a dull. But people are saying it then and
then it's pretty much I'm gonna believe it was kind
of dull. You would say yourself was kind of man
is better than Again, the hype was big, but the
actual product was eh.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
And also, I mean, and you gotta put us in
context also that this is in the middle of you know, people,
a bunch of people had to either sign up for
a new app and pay thirty dollars. Yeah, and then
some of us who know, even like me, I had
to fumbel around to figure out how to watch it.

(30:36):
So that in itself, I mean, in light of all
of that, and in light of you know, knowing there's
all this news that more price increases are coming, and
we saw those prices for the WrestleMania tickets. I mean,
you know, they are like they're doing things that irritate us,
and so one thing that happens is that we become

(30:59):
you know, we start put more scrutiny on the product. Yeah,
because now you're you're asking me to do more things
to get.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
This thing as we should.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah. I mean, and again, if this was just if this,
if this was just another thing on Peacock and then
you know, you know, we all watched it like we
always do, I mean, the then maybe it would have
been you know, people wouldn't have been more laying here.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, you're saying that people are people already huffing and
puff incompetant this damn thing. You're already unhappy and frustrated
and annoyed. And then you see and then the product
was not did not make you forget.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
That basically that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, it was make sense.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
It was not good enough too to get us over
the irritation.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Okay, all right, I just added this topic last minute
because I remember I wanted to touch on this and
I forgot to add it to.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
My list of things.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Did you see the Bleach Reports Top twenty five but
list all time the released last week?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, I've read through it.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Okay, I'm gonna read off for the listeners real quick
to top twenty five guys, ladies. Rather, I'm gonna go
from twenty five to eleven aka going backwards? Okay, So
twenty five got Michelle McCool twenty four, Jacqueline twenty three,
Bowl Nakana Nakano Sorry, twenty two, Shannon Basler twenty one,
A Lunch of Blaze, twenty Live Morgan nineteen, Lexa Blist eighteen,

(32:28):
A j Lee seventeen, Mickey James sixteen, Italia fifteen, Beth
Phoenix fourteen, The Bella Twins thirteen, Eel Sky Wow twelve
Page and.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Eleven Ronda Rowsey. Yo.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
This thing is this this this thing reeks up like
bias uh u reasly bias.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
And also they did this basically to generate to you.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Know, clicks. Controversy was a click.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
It's a purpose because because right now, in no world
is a lecklist nineteen.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
She should be much higher than nineteen.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yes, she should be higher than nineteen. Jacqueline. Look, Jacque, Look,
Jacquelin is great, okay, but her best wrestling was outside
of right Okay, So look, I mean I appreciate them
recognizing her, but put it but again they put they

(33:30):
put her at twenty four, so that this is this
token recognition.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, I agree this.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I'll be the switch in there to just to say, hey, yeah,
Shannon Bezel has no busy on this list at all. Sorry,
she has done anything worth with them.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
And we're talking, I guess we're talking main roster.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, NXT NXT that I'll even then though, how much?
How much? How much could you do? What was it?
How long did you that? Two years? A year?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Well, well she's I mean, if we're talking, if we're
just talking, she's top five.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well you know that part again, But how long is
she do NXT four because what in time would in
time serve matter to?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Also, she was there about three years?

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Okay, Okay, did that makes sense? Then a j Lee
go ahead?

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Okay, So Alundra Blade should be higher. I agree with
that twenty one because in the in the that time
during the nineties, she was her and boomleconno, they were
the women's division. So Elondra Blae should be hired in
twenty one. In Sophie Boom Coutla and Booma Contry hired

(34:37):
in twenty three. Okay, yeah, live Morgan twenty I have
to think about it, because I mean, she's come a
long way in the past couple of years.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Morgan, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I know that I
don't know that that.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
You know, I still might be able to name twenty
five more people before I get to hurt though.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, without question, without question that Phoenix is a little
maybe I would say a little little, but whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Where she's fifteen, I see, I think that's about right.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Okay, Okay, yeah, aj Lee's eighteen.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Again, I didn't watch her real time, obviously, watch her
in hindsight. Okay, she feels about right. I guess if
it's gonna go based on that.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Okay, well again, the people who the people who were
fans of her and loved her to death.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
You know what I'm saying, that matters. That that matters
now too matters.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
And but I don't know. I think it's you know, yeah,
I'm not. I think I guess it's right. I mean,
but guy, but the old guy, she's too high. That's
recent because she is a world champion, she's thirteen.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's recency biased, you know, a year or two. Then
we have that conversation.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah, I think she should be probably she should probably
make between twenty and twenty five.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well about Rondo us higher.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
You know, look, you can, you can hate on him
all you want, like they're one of the few women's
acts that did like done like real business. Okay, and
Nikki actually, you know, at one point Nikki had become
actually a good wrestler in her own right. Yeah, but
they should be higher because they meant more to They've

(36:38):
meant more to the company than at fourteen.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Here as well, say about that there's a case that
there's no case on to put me lower. I'll say
that much higher. I don't know who you're moving on of, Okay,
outside of Eel sky Page maybe. I don't know if
anyone in the top ten I would ever put low

(37:00):
the Bell twins. I think the top ten is fine,
to be honest with you, quite as kept what you get
to this right now?

Speaker 1 (37:07):
All right? Are we going number ten?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Liita, number nine, Oscar eight, China seven, Bianca bil Air six,
Bailey five, Sasa Banks four, Real Ripley three, Tris Stratus two,
Chane Flair and number one Becu Lynch, which I completely
disagree with the record, but but look at ten a second, Alita,

(37:29):
it's about right.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I have no problem with that.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
About I'm scrolling through because I've pulled it up ten. Yeah,
I think that's yeah, I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, Oscar nine, Oscar nine, No problem with that whatsoever.
But one of the best female workers in the history
of the company.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, I mean yeah. It's one of those things like
at first glance, I say higher, but then then becomes
a question of who you're moving.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Down right, China, Right, China doesn't bother me on time?
Tell you why. I know we've discussed on the podcast
in the past. Well, unless we've done on the show.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Obviously, her in ring work is very shoddy at best,
but you can't deny the impact.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Oh well, no, exactly. And honestly, if we're talking about again,
we're talking about business, she's top two or three. Yeah,
so yeah, I mean so because she was again she
was not much of a wrestler, but you know, like
her impacted my business was so high that I think

(38:34):
age is probably about right if we're if we're if
we're including everything, you know, ring work and popularity and
all that, then age is about right because to me,
the ringwork brings it down right.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
So this is where I'm a little bother here number
seven be out a bell here.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So I feel like she's low here because she's kind
of cooled off the last couple of years, last a
year or two, Am I am I speaking of the
pocket here?

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Okay, I would have her head of Bailey.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I would too. Okay, I had a Sasha too. Also.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I that's that's tough because.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
She beats first, I'll wrestling man so and she's been
the most consistent and more consistent and Sasha more dependable
Sasha in the company anyway.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, but I'll say this. People forget now because she's gone,
But up until she left, Sasha was the for the
entire if you look the entire time she was there,
she was the other than ronic because Ron does a
different animal, you know, because of you know, she was

(39:57):
a big star outside of wrestling before she got there.
But out of the women who were who were wrestlers only, yeah,
she she got called up to the man roster in
twenty fifteen. From twenty fifteen twenty twenty two, I'd say, hey,
she was the consistently most popular woman there. Like there
were times like as Becky pulled ahead of her at

(40:19):
one point, and you know, I mean Alexa Bliss hadn't
be come in a moment where she was ahead of her.
But Sasha was never lower than like the second most
popular woman in the company, and she was outstanding roster.
She had all these great matches. It's and if we're

(40:41):
talking about just consistently pulling like TV ratings and YouTube
views and things like that, she was always consistently better
than all of the other women there while she was there.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
That's that.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
And so but now, I mean, it's it's kind of
in vogue talk her down now because she left, and
you know, and then also because she she chose to
go to the other company. Right, But now again about
being reliable, that's true, but now that's a moment, but

(41:24):
that's a backstage thing, that's not an on screen thing.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
But that kind of also matters too also because now
now you're getting away to business.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Now, Yes, that's true.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
So now I think and I'm not saying she wasn't
justified to do what she did at times, because Vince
is not easy to work with.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
But at the same time, it would it would we're
grading based on consistency here, we're gat consistently also.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Well, I won't put it like Kareem Georgia Bam is
arguably the greatest NBA player.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yep, but he's not. He's not.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Is he the greatest Milwaukee Buck? Probably not now, but
so so it's that kind of thing, right, you lose
points because you left, right, I mean, or maybe Kream's.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Not the best example, and no, I'll gave you a
better one.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Lebron James Miami, Right, Yeah, Lebron James is not. He's
not the greatest player in the history of Miami Heat.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, Lebron l two Lakers the same thing.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, he's he's not the greatest Laker. He's not the
greatest Heat.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
He isn't I mean, he's the greatest player to ever
play for those teams? No, no, no, but yes, correct,
but he's not the greatest Laker.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
What is heat player?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Right? So Sasha very well might be if you I mean,
if you look at everything, Yeah, she very well might
be in all aspect, the most talented woman to ever
without question. But is she is she the Is she
the greatest WWE woman wrestler will know been? Because well, again, uh,

(43:11):
you got a factor in it that she left and
so because if she never comes back, then that means
she was there seven years and on the main roster.
And then and we're getting to a point now where
a lot, well, Becky and Charlotte already there longer than her,
and so is Oscar and Bailey. And now you know,
Beyonce has been on the main roster since twenty twenty,

(43:32):
so she's in another year or two, she'll be have
been there longer. So it's just, yeah, you're getting to
a point now where more of these women are well
have had longer careers there than Sasha did, and so
you have to take that into account. Now, now we
were in at this list was in If this list

(43:53):
was made at the time she left, then she might
be number one, okay, or number two.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I don't yeah, yeah, no, no, I don't think you'll
get number one.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
I think, honestly, I think they convoluted these one the
number one, number two anyway, to be honest, you uh
so five.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Re ripped before. I honestly, I'm not bothered by this because.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
If I took all twenty five these ladies and I
said Q rating quee rating, re Ripley has the biggest
creating of anybody in this list that we've seen to
were in terms of what she publishes now in this
last two.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Years that and then I don't think it's close. We honestly,
Rob quite frankly.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Well, in the past two years is not. No, it's
in the past two years is not. And it's just well,
it's just honestly, and it just it's a question of
how long and again long, it's a long, resting longevity
question now, right So she you know, she she came
to mayor roster in twenty twenty one. First couple of

(44:54):
years she kind of mandered around a bit, you know,
they were trying to figure out what to do with her.
But since twenty twenty three, she's you know, been way
you know, ahead of every woman on that roster.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
There's a conversation that right now for the last two
years that outside of Roman Reigns and maybe Cody Roads,
she's the most popular star on that roster.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
MAO. And this an argument, and it's an argument that
she's in that conversation with with Cody and Roman. No,
she's not, she's not. She's not.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I'm saying she's the popularity Nobody's room. Nobody's wrong.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh, God, you said ro you wouldn't. Who's worse you would? Jason?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
No, Okay, I look at numbers. I actually look at numbers.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
The crowd support though too also, and I look at
fans and how they react.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Okay, but okay, but I look at numbers, Okay, trust me.
Like Roman is still far ahead. Roman is still ahead
of everybody. There's Roman and there's everybody else.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Right and eck, I agree with you on that. I'm
not saying Roman isn't. I think is It has been
for quite a while, since five years now. I'm just
saying that Ria has at least been one star that
has inched right there in popularity rating with those those
two stars, Roman and Cody.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Now, okay, what I would say about Ria is right now,
on the women's side, she is the like, she's the
one woman right now who can just show up and
and you know, and it'll do some numbers like everybody else.

(46:37):
You know, it's got to be you know, now, some
do more than others, but everybody else, it's gotta you know,
it's it's got to be right mad right story, right, opponent,
She's the only one on the women's side, She's the
only one who can just again, she can just show
up okay and do some good numbers. Now the different

(47:00):
Now Roman will just show up and do huge numbers, okay.
Like I mean, Romans had some things to get like
five manion views, and all he did was walk out
there and punch a few people, okay, And like Ria
doesn't get up there. Like, but she's far ahead of
the She's ahead of the other all the other women

(47:21):
right now for the past couple of years. And so
I think it's just with her, It's just it's a
longevity question, right, I mean, if she if she does
this for another ten years at the same level, then
you can say she's number one. It's just a matter
of getting there, right.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I'm with you, homoicent three tris stratus.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
This is a longevity thing. This is a you know,
legacy thing. I don't disagree with that. I don't think
she'll I think the longer we get into the prioritizing
of the female division as we have in the last
ten years, she'll fall a little by little because I think,
for example, Riha Bailey Bianca.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
All in my opinion, better than status.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Oh, there are a lot of women who are better
wrestler than yeah. Now, I think one thing that works
in Christ's favor is she has like multi generation fan
base going back, like, you know, there are people our
age who from an attitude there, and there are people
who came into Ruth's aggression. And then you know, there

(48:28):
are people who have come in more recently as she's coming.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Her wrestling recently the last couple of years, you know,
doing you know a couple of spots here and there
has helped her because they're never reminded of her now.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
And then we go back and watch her like, oh, okay,
this is what the hype was all about. Get it now?

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Now before we go further, there's one name they left
off of this list.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Can I guess? Can I guess? Can I guess? Want
to think about Quicker? Is she a current wrestler?

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Now? Yes, she just but she just went to take
a break.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Oh I don't shoot like I'm crying my brain with this.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Go ahead, Iti, Yes, I mean again, Jacqueline is great,
love Jacqueline, but he's betterman said, you have me say,
a much better w W career than Jacqueline stopped. I mean,
come on, really, I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Out side you know what it is? I think this
this was made outside of mind.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Well she ain't only outside for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Well this after she left, she went went away.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
I mean I agree with you at all.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah, I mean no, I'm sorry. I mean she's a
multi she's a three time women's champion. You know, she's
been a tag team champions, she went money bank, she's
been in the big matches, she's had some spots and
some big matches. And having her not on the list

(50:10):
at all, no, I'm sorry. And then again like they
she should be on that list before Jacqueline.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Now I'm with you, Humbercent, like I haven't a bottom
of the other lists, because probably between eighteen and.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Twenty three, if anything but Baylor it oh god, ya,
oh god yah, I would have her overlived Morgan, over
the Morgan.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Ooh.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
That's a tough one because no, no, what I'm saying
is that even though so Lilis has been a champion twice,
I think liv and nam we have a similar career
in the sense where like although Niam was a better
worker anyway longer, but she was misused, liv is now
finally gaining gaining ground all these years. No, I put

(51:01):
even live Morgan. Yeah, but I think it's more neck
and necking realize though. Yeah, I put her head. I
put her head of like Michell mcacool, Jacqueline Shanna Basler. Yeah,
she'd be she should be an eighteen to twenty two range.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, I didn't say her number one, but she should
be on the list.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, I agree with a hund percent. Yeah, but now.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I think it's controversial one and two. Becky Lynch should
not be number one. I understand why she's the number
one because she was for a year and maybe even
two years, the biggest name in the company before Romans
runs as tribal chief when I came back to watch
rob when I came back to watching wrestling in twenty nineteen,

(51:45):
in June and twenty nineteen, Becky Lynch was the most
popular star in the entire company. Yes, okay, And she
was that for about a year, in some odd some
odd months.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Then COVID happens, Roman turns months later and she she's pregnant,
she goes away, and then that.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
All that, but men went away.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Having said that, if we're having a q raating argument,
I agree Becky over Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Bigger picture she's not better than Charlotte player stop.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Well you know how well, you know how I feel
about that.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
But in fact, I think Becky's too high in general.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I think I would at this point, right now I'm
looking at it fairly, I would take the following over
Becky Lyncher out in the list.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I would take Charlotte Rebecka Lynch. I would take trash
o'b Beecky Lynch. Well, you know what, no, no, no, no, no,
I praise that. I'll take real Becky Lynch's point.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Now, Sasha, there's a case of Bianca, and then you
can you can, you can, you can Phil Philadelphia Bailey
and her.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Is Becky top five?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yes, yes, you gotta get top five because she's again,
when you're the biggest name and the entire company, even
in a downtime, that.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Has to come with something.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yes, so yeah, she's top five.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I mean, but there's way more. But there's more Ultra
Warrior and AULTS didn't realize though.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
And now I know something that stumma reading the paragraph,
something that stuff looked sounds like she wrote herself. You know,
she has also proven selfless using her stature to help
elevate others.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I mean, I don't know, I'm trying to shit on her.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Well just I mean, you know, I mean she didn't Okay,
she didn't book that thing with her and being Vince
did that. Okay, Yeah, it's not like she went to
Vince and said, Vince, I have this idea. No, I
mean he booked that and and well we'll see what
happens with Larra I mean, because I mean there was
all that talk about, oh, she's elevating Learr, but then

(53:44):
she won the feud.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I mean, having said that saw first of all, one,
I'm sorry, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Well, well again, y'all.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
She's the most consistent wrestler in that division. You've never seen.
She's consistent.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Like we'll be the argument here, just saying anyway, all right,
but nothing now, Rhonda, Okay, she's two love, she's a
number eleven.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Okay, she's a She's an impact argument. That's all it is.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yes, exactly, she's an impact argument. If we're talking impact impact,
she might be number one in.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Terms of impact, but you got you have more than that, though,
you have more.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
And for those of y'all who think that I'm talking crazy, understand, okay, yes,
they would have had in a better women's division over
the past ten years, whether or not Ronda game, yes,
because they you know, they were building that, they were
creating that. But Rhonda is the reason that they got

(55:00):
more main events. Rhonda is the reason that they made
have been wrestlin All of that was centered around her
being in that main event. Okay, that was okay, and
all the things that you know happened to get those there,

(55:21):
you know, again, getting more paper view main events, you know,
getting to work different kinds of matches and all that
type of stuff. All of that was She was the
seed basically for all of that. Some terms of impact,
if you want to want to impact on the division, yeah,
I mean you could make an argument of her number one. Now,

(55:43):
she was never much of a wrestler. I mean, if
you put in there to write people in the right
type of match, she could do well. But no, she
was she wasn't much of a wrestler. That's fair, and
you know, and some men eleven is probably right. I
just feel that, you know, more needs to be said

(56:04):
and written about just how much of an impact she
had on the division.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Right right, all right, just do a quick game heller face,
healer face. I pulled out five wrestlers stars any of
any era.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Out of the hat.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
All right, Okay, Basically we debated if if this wrestler
was a better heel or better face the career because
these rests have.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Been both to the queer. All right, first guy, the
big boss man healer face.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Hell, because when you first came in, he was like
truly like a menacing character.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
And and for me, you know, I go back to
when he was big Rogers and the n w A,
and he was cornered his bodyguard. Yeah, and and he
was obviously working heel then. So for me, hell yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Is hell for me as well. But I will say
it's not closer to get credit for.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
He was a pretty good baby face between nineteen ninety
eight nine ninety ninety one. I will say that was
a pretty cool run. Some good matches too. Lost a
lot of weight, and they were really trying to push
him to to the top.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
They like he.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I don't know what happened? Why why didn't put it?
He's put title him in the rest main of seven.
But ultimately the reason why heals the winner is because
that opening run out the out the shoot in eighty eight,
Fema Hogan out the shoot. Imagine you start your job
and your first feud is I can want the biggest
start in the company.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, and it works perfection.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
It's arguably, dude, it's arguably Hull Cogan's best feud, non
title feud his career. Yeah, that an earthquake neck and neck.
I mean I was reduced to as a child, was
a big boss man I was starting out. How good
he was and the character, Oh my god, amazing. So
the answer is heal, it is little closer. People credit

(57:59):
your credit for that. I will say that much. All right,
all right, next one here, mister perfect for heading heel. Yeah,
it's heel too. Although the Babace thing wasn't that bad
in ninety three, but much better heel. The cockiness, the
you know, the you know, just everything's perfect. And who
he worked with, brother was Bobby Heenan or coach or.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Uh you know, the genius it was. It was fact.
It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
And I think he's someone that people would say, why
they put a world title Hi, I know something that
video that Cornett did, It's because the era that's it
was the era if if they put even if they
put even new generation booking era booking into that era.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
He's getting a sniff at the title. Yeah, against and.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
For me and again I think and this was when
Cornet said, also back when he was eight w A
World champion, he was the heel champion, and I think,
look that is as a w A World champion, as
a hell I think that's a big reason he landed in.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
The w w A. Right all right, next one here
this is Rolsha Attack Team. Well, I guess here we
go face really really because to me.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
That's when they really went like they really I think
they really came into their own when they turned, when
they when they did.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
The double turn. Uh and.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yeah, I think that's when. I think that's when they
really started coming to their own and kind of showed
some of their own personality outside of mister food. You're
doing all the talking for them.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Mm hm.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
So I was saying, yeah, I would say face because
because the the when they were working the hill, like
the they're basically that age the road war, your ripoff label,
I think stuck more when they were heels than when
they were baby faces.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
You know, you almost sold me on taking face also too,
But I'm gonna stick with heel because I I did
love the package with mister Fuji, though to me, that
was to me their best run when they when they
they were booked as these dominant, dominant heels going to
Restmania for beating on Strike Force.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I loved the double turn with Powers and Pain and
Summer Survivors Series eighty eight, and it was a good run.
But to me, they're I I think if you didn't
have Fuji involved with that thing, I might go up
with the insane face, But mister Fuji as the bad
guy with them in the first earlier of the run,
that's what sold it to me. More thing else, So
I have to go heel as well too on this one.

(01:00:47):
But I think there's a lot of close credit for
and you almost sold me to go in face as well.
You almost did rob Congratulations all right, next one here
two ago, Yokozuna.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Hell, that's easy. Hell, I just yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I mean the whole character was was meant to be heal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah, yeah, it's easy. I mean, big big monster, that
whole ninety three run, the title. Yeah, that's easy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
That even the baby face thing, I can't even And
granted a lot was also because the fact that he's
his health was on order and whatnot. But you couldn't
insult me to him as a baby face. And it
was a nice guy by the scenes, but I just
couldn't see that man. It made no sense, like hell,
and it's not even close. So and finally his his,

(01:01:40):
he's a good one here. This is uh a little
more modern here a j styles.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
That's hard. This is hard. Guys, still haven't decide yet
in my head yet convinced me one way you pick?

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Okay, watching in t n A right, So I've only
watched him in New Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
And it's tough, isn't it. I know it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
So let me ask you a question as someone who
didn't get the chance to watch him when he came
to W twenty seventeen at the Rumble twenty sixteen, Rather,
did he debut with a babyface or heel.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
He debuted is a baby face?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Because well you kind of had to because you need
not pop. Yeah, and so you're right, so you had to.
You kind of had to debut him that way because
when he came because again, I you know, i'd only
heard of him at that point, because you know, I
got back into twenty twelve he was in like he

(01:02:48):
was over in New Japan, I think mostly so I
hadn't watched him, so I had an I've never actually
seen him at that point, so you know, I used
to say, like, you know, for people like me, he
was like Batman, basically, like you'd hurt. He was an
urban legend and you've heard of him, but you never

(01:03:09):
seen him, right. But that was I mean, that was
truly and you know, and oh my god, I can't
believe this guy's here moment. So you mean you had
to debut with a baby face? You know, I'm you
know what I think he I think he's really good

(01:03:29):
at both.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
He's fantastic both. Actually yeah, and but I have an answer.
I have an answer ready because I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Think that's I think as far as talking and character
stuff and all that, I think his peak, his heel.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
His arrogant Southern accent works better as a heel than
a baby face.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Yes, And when I started watching twenty nineteen again, he
was part of the whole thing with the Lucal was
in Carl Anderson, the whole like the O C the
club or the whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I actually love that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I actually love that that that that angle they didn't together.
I actually loved him to the three of them, and
he was he was he was a heel and I
loved it. One one of the things about the twenty
nineteen thing that people, you know, a lot of people
shoot on twent nineteen w wee. But when he was
people with Brockichhet that summer twenty nineteen, I thought it
was a good feud. That's a really good matches there.

(01:04:28):
I think he works better as a heel. Honestly, is
a capcocky little.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Southern you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I mean, it works better as the heel. That being said,
it's very close, like it's a nip and tuck between
the two. But I have to based on what I enjoyed,
I mean, especially his the fact and hey, here's a
tiebreaker even if you were undecided. Here's my tiebreaker on
takers last match.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
He worked at Teall yeah, it doesn't work. It was
a babyface. So if you need a tiebreaker, there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
So definitely heal from me. So all right, one of
last to get you out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Just be quick though, But I just saw today that
dropped a couple hours ago that apparently there is a
Randy Savage bile pick in the works. The products being
produced by Keenan Thompson and Johnny Ryan Junior through the
production company Artists for Artists. The working talk for the
film right now is Macho. Significant detail is that the
script was co written by a Savage brother late brother

(01:05:26):
rather Ley Popo of course, the genius who passed away
in February twenty twenty three, and Eric Shapiro, which gives
the product a personal connection to Savage's life. As of now,
the film is in its early stages of development and
no casting decisions or early states.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Have been announced. I'm kind of shocked that now, Grant Granton,
I'm not sure if a Savage is Savage big enough
to get a film in theaters.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I don't know, as big as he is in the
bubble and people know him about out of the bubble,
but it's Savage's legacy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Is that big where you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Can pull people into theaters to see a movie on
his movie, his life. I don't know, bro the biggest
work in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
I think in twenty twenty five, probably not. Yeah, if
Free Pandemic, I would say yes, because I mean he was.
We talked about Q rating. He was like right after Hogan,

(01:06:33):
I mean basically, and even people and forget. You can't
forget like the slim Gym commercials, right, I mean those
were everywhere. In fact, it's funny because big shops have
told the story like that. They didn't have to w
g W didn't even have to pay him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
M hm right correct.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
So yeah, I think if this was pre pandemic, you
absolutely could have put it in the theater. Yes, Now
probably not because also and also now you know, we're
all older and all of that. I think Now, look,

(01:07:20):
I'm sure it'll be great on Netflix or wherever. But yeah,
I don't think I don't think. No, I don't think
you do anything about picking any wrestler now would get
get your theater released now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
No, Cogan is the only one I think really that
even Remold has a chance to get on theaters because
of how big he was Outside the Rock had a
TV show already.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
If you can do that, well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
The other thing is like we've we've seen these guys
so much now, right, Yeah, there isn't much story to tell, really,
It's true. Yeah, I mean, and we see them, you know,
not just on TV, butN you know, see them on
social media, and they share so much of their lives
with us. They're just there isn't Yeah, there just isn't

(01:08:07):
a lot of story to tell now that would you know?
What's there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
What? What's there to putting a story in a movie
now that we don't already know and that we would
you know, and not much, I don't think, and and
that we get it would be enticing enough to cause
I mean, look me and you, we'd go in the theater,
you know. Yeah, But I don't think just I don't think. Yeah,

(01:08:35):
I mean, the history has largely been told, you know,
you know, are these to such an agree that I
don't think a movie in the theater about him?

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
And yeah, I just don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Any wrestler, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I don't think in wrest in general is theater worthy.
I think the only one I can make a case
for Nowgan's one, obviously because how big he is. But
the only only one I got I can make case
for based on how his life actually turned out and
all the ebbs and flows is Rick Clair.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Rick Clair is the only one I can see being intriguing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Because of his life, how actually have life played out?
And you can you can do a lot with that
with a lot of the the behind the scenes, stories,
the women, the drugs, all that ship and and I
think those angles would make them make it worthwhile for
a theater release.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
But because with him, I mean like he was adopted,
there was a you know, there was a plane crash
earlier in his career.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
You know, you got stuff with him and Dusty. You
got some of the matches he you know, you could
even you could have scenes and someone with some of
the matches where he just dropped the title because of
the crowd was two hostile and then you know, you
can make a scene out of that. Yeah, and then
of course all the you know, all the you know,

(01:10:06):
off the field stuff. I mean yeah, I mean there's
a lot to mine there with him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I can see a case with there's two guys. I
can see a case for actually not saying it's gonna
work out. Here are two guys that can be a
case four based on their life Brett Hart's one and
Shaw Michael's the other one, Michael especially, I think any
more so, there are a lot there are a lot
of stories with Sea Michael's like to be be here, hindsight,

(01:10:35):
oh after the good and evil thing, the drugs, the
you know, all the ship and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
That's stuck out. I think this stuff with Brett and yeah,
I mean and you know the miracle comeback and and
then going on in and and going on to become
you know, the you know, the guy who runs that
next team now, which was a complete No one would
have called that if you you know, and in nineteen
ninety six, if you had told it, you know, if

(01:11:04):
if anybody said that, you know what, in thirty years,
Sean is going to be in charge of the developmental,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
And stable and alive.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
And ye first, yeah, thirty years he's going to be alive.
That was you know, that was a diisty preposition back
in nineteeny six. But then also that he would be
running the developmental and that he would be like a
father figure to younger wrestlers and and all of that. Yeah,

(01:11:41):
I mean nobody would have called that thirty years ago.
And so yeah, I mean that that's definitely that. Yes,
you could definitely make a movie out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I'm trying to think other guys. What about John, I mean,
John Cena has a pretty clean cut. Yeah, there's something
intriguing there, like I could see Wester maybe, well, there's
some dips there outside of wrestling that you can look
into maybe, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Think, I mean, I think he's kind of got cloud
over his name right now, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Right, but if he took that out especially, but even
the cloud might actually help the case of the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
You saw the movie in a sense, Yeah, so Sean definitely, Rick, Yes, Hogan, Yes, Now,
I guess, I guess the problem of Hogan is just
the last ten years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
But you have you have to include that though.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
That's a point because the end of his life is
actually the most intriguing part of his life actually off
the ring, So technically.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Yeah, that would work. Actually because of that, there isn't
much though there wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Much, Yeah, because most of these guys, I mean, like
their lives aren't that, especially the more recent guys, because
like I mean, those guys back in the eighties, they
were all party and correct.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I think there's something there are Savage, because I think
with Savage you can sell him and Liz you can
sell territories, you can sell the paranoia, you can sell him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
And Hogan's on again, off again friendship.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
So there's actually more than I realized that as we're
talking about this now with other restlers, I'm realizing that
Macho is more there and and and then hearing the
stories and people that work with them too. Also, you
can pull out things out of there and make it work.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Yeah, I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Piper one, Piper's won on one Warrior another one too.
I think Warring another one too. Also. Honestly, no, I
guess not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
The only thing is that that has such a tragic ending.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
That tragedy sells. Buddy. No, you're right, but tragedy cells. Yeah,
what is Claire And what you said is true.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
They ain't nobody within the last fifteen twenty years that
I'm paying to go see a theater because it's interesting
and quite frankant.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
The business of cleaner now there was years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Yeah, and I think and again I guess then these
people that they share so much about themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Now yeah, so true that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Well, if you know, you know what, if I pick
you can I think get some out of Roman even
though I look and because actually you could.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Football.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
There are a lot of things there.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
There's family legacy, there's well there's that, there's the the
NFL not trying to get an NFL not getting in
there because of the leukemia diagnosis.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Then you know, you know, then you know he gets
into the business and then the whole thing with the shield.
They were like big rock stars basically.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
The challenge, the Challenge get over for six years. Yeah,
and then he turned here and all that. Yeah, you
I can see that, absolutely can see that. How about
uh Goldberg?

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Not honest, I don't think there's much there because well,
I mean there really isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I mean, he that long the what.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
About the female side. Let's see the female side, checking
down females. I'm talking the list that we did here.
Ronald Rousey makes. I mean, that's makes that makes. I mean,
that's obvious because he's just a big star.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
You can sell the fact she's Rick's daughter, but no
one really here has a compelling story. I would say
I would lean into heavy like that. No, I'm as
no female here, I can't really see maybe China to China.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yeah, but again that's that's another tragic end again sells buddy. Yeah. Now,
I would say, Okay, I don't think Charlotte is popular
for the general public to do to do it, but
I mean her life story there's a lot of ups
and down.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Oh my god, you read that letter to be just
we just we review a couple weeks ago the show.
That's enough there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Yeah, between I mean the stuff with her dad and
Mary answer answer and you know, her brother dying and
you know, all the just ups and downs of you know,
some of a lot of similar struggles in the Romans,
I mean as far as dealing with the crowd and
all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, but I mean the story.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Is there, Uh yeah, there's nothing else here. I'm not
gonna get this listener, that's sure. Nothing else. There's nothing
else here really other than China and Charlotte. That's it.
I mean maybe Trish, but.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
M m, well there's there's something there to how the
women were treated in the locker room. Yeah, yeah, you know,
fighting to overcome that and then coming back, you know,
so there's I mean yeah, I mean I think you
could put something together for that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Yeah. But yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah, a lot of yeah, a lot of it. But yeah,
I mean, just like the life stories with the ups
and downs and there's different twist and turns that yeah,
there really aren't that many.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah, there's not much peoples there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
But yeah, basically with saying as a generational like anything
beyond if you're wrestling in the eighties and nineties and
maybe over two thousands, you have a story, compel story,
but everything past two thousand and two dozen three is
not really much there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I agree with that anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
All right, rob good shows always what you got going
on in Robert Genius, what's going on wrestling?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Well, so on my own show, I'm in the middle
of this NBA player project, you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
And your fucking projects. Bro, Well, okay, but this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Is this is okay, this one, I'm actually okay, I'm
I'm I am going to bring to a conclusion because yeah,
I've you know, I've done the first half of it,
and I did an episode where I've talked about it
and that two weeks ago. Yeah, so now I'm working
on the second half of that now and then, and
I promise I will pick somebody. I'm not just going

(01:18:20):
to hem in the hall for forty minutes and say, okay,
you know, I am going to pick somebody, and I
will live with that decision and you all be free
to agree or trashy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
When you record that. That that that that's one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Oh well, I I well, as I always do, I
record things ten times, so I've already done. I've done
take one. I've done take one and take two, bro,
And I was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
A producer, you will firstrate me to come on? Oh yeah,
my god, like bro, pick your fucking episode called day Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Yeah, so I would. I've done already. I've done two
takes and dumped both of them already, you know, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
My god, and this one, good lord you top of
your hands, bro, record and put it out. Brouh. Anyway,
tell d Jason's hell.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Although you talked talk detail at the time, a little
big deal of course, fall on Robin twitter X or
a blue sky at one by the way, on I
g but ask you this, what is your actual which
one to use the most genius fandom account or.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
The that's well, that's the one that's the one that's
the one that's open to the public, so to speak.
My personal account is I haven't locked and so you okay, okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I have both, but I don't know. I don't want
I don't want to tag in one if you don't
want to use that one. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Yeah, So anyway, I am one X at east Bridge
seven Falls count anywhere. You said did the day earlier
than usual? But you know things, things coming up down
on the pike, makes much us until but.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Of course final Earthy Podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Of course, all podcast catchers Earthy Pod of course on
YouTube and on TikTok and on Instagram until the next episode.
We will talk to you guys soon and stay up