Earl Christian & Eric Christian

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A per few podcasts recording this on a Sunday, It's
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
A rare Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
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What's going on? Sunday Morning Podcast? Well Afternoon Now Podcast,
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Speaker 6 (01:24):
Man, good good, good looking forward to discussing heat and
Lebron and so casey.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
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want did good here again?

Speaker 7 (01:39):
Girl?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
And now you fuck it up? Now you.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah, I want to talk to you guys a little
bit of some some basketball.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
It's been a watch of the podcasts like almost a year.
I think, actually has it been a year? It's close
to it, right, No, no, no.

Speaker 7 (01:54):
No, yeah just the election.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah no, no, no, we did after you.

Speaker 7 (01:59):
Let did one more close closer after the election.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
We know.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
The last one we die just did the so the
the shows, and the last one we did was actually
literally two weeks after Trump inaugurated January January February. No, no, no, dude,
no the lucassembers no Luca trade. He didn't reactually look
a trade. That yeah, that's Pebruary, early Prebruary. I mean,

(02:25):
that's a wow.

Speaker 8 (02:27):
That's a world like a long time ago.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Doesn't it look a long time ago? The look at
trade like he wasn't he.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Was once a Maverick as a Laker, the Davids. Did
you see that video they played on Friday? The Lakers
and the Maps, And I guess Lebron and eighty didn't like,
didn't handshake nothing.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
They Lebron ignored him.

Speaker 7 (02:47):
Yeah, yeah, crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
I guess it's some bad blood there agains from the trader.
That's fake. It's lasting to Lebron.

Speaker 8 (02:57):
I think it is.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Really We'll get to Lebron a second man. Uncle, Wait, okay,
this about the heat now, well the streak is over.
Has the last night they game winning streak. They are
now thirteen and seven. Detroit came in there kind kind
of playing for many reasons because like Detroit lost to
in a row ready as it was, but also Detroit
was coming on the back to back too on top
of that from the back in the back to back,

(03:19):
so I figured we can clip him here get the
seventh win the row. But this is my first time
watching the Pistons this year, like really fully and focused,
right impressed my team actually, be honest with you. I
don't know if that sustained this though, because not of shooting.
But this is a good team, man, Kate, Kate Cunningham
is amazing, man.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
They can more to sustain that they played without their
second best player.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
What's his name you mentioned last night? I think was
an attacks the center Duran Duran right, Junior mentioned that
the deal.

Speaker 8 (03:49):
Yeah, yeah, he's the real deal.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
So they they I think they'll be consistent throughout the year,
and they're gonna be if if I was a betting
man right now, and they continue growing as they I
see them growing, they may be in the finals week
or maybe we will be seeing them in round two
of the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
It's not crazy. I think that because this year in
the East it's wide open. No Boston, no Indiana.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
So in New York, I mean, look, New York will
figure it out. I mean it.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, Cleveland's kind of stole, not not a mess, but
they're not as as I thought they'd be. So the
year anyway, I hadn't winning games this year, and I
don't think to get there now. So the East is
kind of wide open, though, Dad, you follow up. Dad,
This is the thing with you though, you always you
follow the teams really quickly though I don't know them. No,
you follow the teams really quickly.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
You follow the team team really quickly.

Speaker 7 (04:43):
I like that basketball, but really quickly, Dad. That didn't
mention this earlier. Yeah, at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
So now we're not very far into the season, But
where did you have the third Yeah, I mean, but
where did you have the East rankings compared to the
beginning of the season to now or maybe what's like
the biggest surprise out of it.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
The bigger surprise in the East probably have the heat.

Speaker 7 (05:13):
Dad was surprised by the heat. I was like too,
I think they're still going to end up being like
a fourth or fifth, probably a fourth seed.

Speaker 8 (05:21):
Yeah, I think I think the question is did we
did we expect Detroit to be well thirteen and three
before the little.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
The way they've been, the way they've been so forth
and shocking, they were all well a lot of the questions.
Two is also not what they did last was the
that was the question because they were good last year?

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Yeah, Yeah, they took they took New York to seven
last year.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Six.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Rank last six though New York colossnswer is easily, Yeah, Malama.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Two is also the fact that, you know, do be
things the fluke last year.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
But the thing is you also have to kind of
way in the fact that also the East is a
little bit easier because Indiana and Boston not being a
full strength And that's a big deal because when in
the full strength Bostons find them on the East right now,
Indiana two or three, So you gotta make that into
as well. But having said that, you know how good
they've been. It's been really a shock both teams, really,
Detroit and Mighty.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
Honestly, this is why I thought last night should have
been a good litmus test for the heat for both teams.

Speaker 8 (06:27):
Actually they had similar records.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
I guess you could say they're both sort of the
surprise of Cinderellas so far, you know, yeah, right, I
was about to say he's specific as I was telling
are earlier. I honestly didn't see them being as good
as they are. Yeah, but given what did I see now,

(06:55):
I think if we continue growing, we can make a lot.

Speaker 8 (06:58):
Of noise to the point we should be in the
Eastern Conference finals.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
That's that's very plausible, that's very I mean, do you
see a world where Mighty bes Cleveland or New York
in a semi series.

Speaker 8 (07:08):
I think we can both. No, We're gonna have to
make some bold moves. All right.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Uh wait, so you don't think this team but current
win can win that series?

Speaker 6 (07:22):
Well, I need where to play thirty five minutes a game.
I want him to continue growing and have that trajectory
of a dombinant center, because I think he have that potential.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
He would need to he would need to start then.
But now his good news were here. So well, the
thing is, he got benched after Hero came out on Monday.
But he's still playing twenty twenty five plust minutes.

Speaker 8 (07:44):
Though we need all we need. We need him to
play thirty thirty five goodutes.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Well you and I agree on that one.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Like to me, their ceiling is depending what where it
is where by April, the ceiling you know, as Jordan's say, ceiling.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Is the roof.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
You don't have to worry about about sitting him, you know,
once he's healthy, let.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
Him go, get him on on, you know, on on
all cylinders, let him go.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
What does he need besides the minutes to really ascend.
I guess.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
Well, if you get the minutes, I think he would
have sent quicker. And that's my point. We need to
give him more touches. We need to give him more experience.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Now I don't know the guy.

Speaker 8 (08:29):
I don't see that right, m hm.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I can be a top three rebounding center in the league,
top mhm. Or when the rebounding title. That's how good
potentially he is one of the things that you recognize
what he does. He keeps ball alive so he may
get two three rebounds on one uh you know possession.
He is that good potentially. Now if spoken get into

(08:56):
his head, which the organization have shown to be, if active,
he could be a dominant setter.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
I was telling you about the game now, well it's
it's cyclical, it's coming back around.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
Yeah, I was telling Eric.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
They too also like, I don't know if you.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Need thirty five minutes a game because of One of
the muses about this about this roster I love is
that we're starting to realize that this team is a
lot deeper than realize, like this is no ten leven
deep now to know where it has a very San
Antonio spurs like twenty fourteen's spurs field to it where
none was bets played more three minutes of game because
they Papa Bitch, what would insert guys twelfth man, tenth guy,

(09:35):
and ninth guy to keep those legs fresh. I felt
this roster right now has been very productive throughout the
first third of the year that you don't have to
have these guys playing thirty plus minutes of game. Uh,
you know, you can have a twenty five to twenty
nine minutes a game between even even.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
We also had three Hall of famers on that team.
Old experience on that team can can really like make
a fluid. This isn't I don't want to say it's
an upstart team.

Speaker 8 (10:00):
Time.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Yeah, they were, you know, there were ten ten plus
year veterans. This team is upstart team with people that
want to get there. It's probably you know, Bam is
probably satisfied. He's the max player. He's a franchise kind
of Miami Heat player. The only person I'm trading for
is like Wemby Jokic Jokic Luka, Well yeah wait, there's

(10:21):
actually don't there's ten. There's ten, ten, ten players. I
will definitely trade them for. Let me not say it.
Who he is our franchise player.

Speaker 8 (10:28):
That's the guy.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
It comes down to everybody else, and I think everyone's
on the way up. Like, look, they want their money,
they want that, you know, they want to make sure
they get the time in. And that's why I think
it's going to be a little bit difficult to balance
getting these younger guys and saying, hey, we're only going
to play you, you know, fifteen to twenty minutes, and
they're you know, they're per what is it the per

(10:50):
forty eight averages probably look a little bit better, and
they're like, hey, if I go somewhere get more minutes,
probably makes more sense for me, you know, stat wise,
you know, because you got to get that money at
the end of the day. So it's gonna be interesting
how how it gets balanced. And then you have what
power This is his his contract year, Heroes contract year

(11:11):
and Wiggans has one more year contract year.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
No no, no country.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah, this year three of your top five players are
in contract years. Where does you know where does this go?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
To be honest with, Like, normally I would think about
next year, but right now, because of the opportunity presented
now with the East, I'm not worried about that now. Honestly,
this is the this is the one, the one time
in the world. Normally I will always like forecast this
year like you know that, well we'll get there.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
To that point.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
But right now I'm so locked until right now and
right now because that.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Time will come.

Speaker 7 (11:49):
But it does that has something to do with this
year and how we're we're going to be operating rights.
Do you want Hero coming back and like see how
this year actually plays out with this team going or
like do you say, hey, if we can make a
move to get better, are we I don't think there's

(12:10):
a market. We can have a separate conversation on the
market for Hero, but are we? Are we training like
a Yovich and another player for a specialist something to
put us like over the top, or at least from
the perspective, that's the way that we get better. I
don't think it's getting rid of Hero.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
You have you have to identify the star you want,
though you want.

Speaker 8 (12:34):
I don't think that.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
I don't think there's a market for a start. I
think that it's a there's an incremental way to get
better with like Yovic and another like Drew Smith type
of player that they can you know, sell the upside.
Maybe we can talk about Yovich's you know Yovics.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
You hit that, you keep talking.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
I hated it last year. I wanted to go on
last year and then they gave him another you know
what you know, But you did say it's a tradable contract.
I mean, I think they're like standard, we can we
can trade this off if there's some upside to him.
Maybe hopefully that comes true. I just don't see I

(13:13):
you know, I'm out on yourvich.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Well maybe right now you're right on it, because like
prior to last night, he was out of rotation.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
Yeah, you saw the game last night he played.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
I saw him, and yeah I saw him last night.
I was like, he was absolute sloppy.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
And I was not in the game.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
I mean, he just gave an inbound pass. He just
actually gave the ball to the defender.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
He played too aggressive, He played way too aggressive.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
No, this wasn't aggressive because the person's head was not
in the game.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
Other things.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Also when handling the ball going towards and I've seen
this on many different occasions. He's that fluid going to
you know, although he has good size. Yeah, I don't
see any sign.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Of dumb in us in any way in any facet
of his.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Game as predominant as productivity.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
But well maybe that's there, not dominant, but consistency. That's
that's of his game, you know, offensive defense, you know,
going to the who there's nothing special about the guy.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
I said it. I said it when they gave him
the contract. I said, we just made another Duncan Robinson contract.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
We just did Robinson, but at least more Yeah, And I.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
Was gonna follow it up by saying I would have
rather done Duncan Robinson's contract, which is a little bit
more yes, and more years than do Yo's contract at
the four years, fifteen million.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Robins also show more effort. He was a b.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
But he did something. There was something that he did
at a very elite level which got him that contract.
We gave Yovi contracts. He's not doing anything at really
any type of level above average or I mean it
might be below average.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
And by the way, with this new Detroit team for Robinson, him,
the guy has fitted perfectly.

Speaker 8 (15:14):
With that team.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
But that's that's the team he was meant to be on,
someone with a superstar you know, you know, superstar primary
primary score, and he's supposed to be the Kyle Korver
that comes in. Then literally the only thing.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
You need to do is well the point, what's your point?
Also too, like he's the only one that can do that,
and I think that's the way they want Detroit. That
concerns me is that he is the only shooter to
have that team.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
They need a shooter. Yeah, you know, what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
I have my text with our our friend, my friend
here and Michell Gregoria, who will talking the games like
they need one more shooter, Like I don't think saying
this because of the shooting, because they you still need
shooters in this league. Like Detroit is a very old
school team. I'm watching of like it's a very old school.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Eighties nineties seven points.

Speaker 8 (16:06):
Old school good. I hope you're talking, yes, but.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
At the end of the day, you need an equalizer,
a shooter to put you over.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
Okay, I get that, but let me tell you, well,
I know we didn't see the center, but the playoffs
last year with New York back anyway, I think it's something.
I think it's something today game by game, So there's
nothing serious.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
So soon cool?

Speaker 6 (16:31):
Yeah, right, But last year, go back to the next series.
That guy bowled out and he.

Speaker 8 (16:38):
Sort of what's his name?

Speaker 6 (16:42):
The set up for the next was not really that
much of a factor. He kind of held his own
against him. Anthony cal Anthony, you know, so no, they
to me and then we're not.

Speaker 8 (16:53):
We didn't even mention Thompson yet he's good.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
The other the other Thompson brother.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
So I don't like Detroit.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
It's a good ross, it's a good roster. That's not
the first time I got to watch him really really
watch him playing Miami like it's a good team. I
like this team a lot, you know.

Speaker 8 (17:12):
But let me ask you this, though, you know we
missed himI. Yes, last night.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
We sure did. We missed him good time, be sure did.

Speaker 8 (17:21):
So we're not even talking behind me.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
He's he's and he's in his extension year.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yes he is this year three, so that he may
have to keep him. I rather keep him in Yovich, But.

Speaker 8 (17:34):
I think we're going to be having at this point. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (17:38):
I said that when Hoimi was drafted. If homis the
amount of the amount of of crap. I talked about
Yovich just every game I watch him just like this.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Is I will say this watch though, if Miami is
a top four seed, eveill top racing in the East
by the end of the year. Suppose she get his
worst coach of the year, at least could be considered
for Coach of the Year. Yeah, I agreed he won't
get it though, because yeah, about a question, he's one
of the best.

Speaker 8 (18:05):
Definitely.

Speaker 6 (18:06):
I think everyone recognizes the fact that he has gotten
the coach of the US team.

Speaker 8 (18:14):
It's a big, big deal. So they recognize him that the.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Awards over it anyway, because you know how many times
won that once and the year he won it was
all about Yeah, it doesn't matter because the year he
won was about well Jordan's So yeah, I was wanna say,
it's not going to say one of the last time
watching the game and Katie Cunningham, you know, phenomenal year again.

(18:44):
I was taking about this now too well, so like
because like I think on my list, if my mistake,
I haven't eleven of my lists coming to the year,
like the best player in the basket maybe top ten.
I'much for exactly. I look up the second But are
we in a world right now where kid Cunningham might
be a top three point guard down the league?

Speaker 8 (19:00):
Absolutely, we were talking about that earlier. I'm telling you,
Cunningham habit all.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
And so your top so you're back point guard, so
your your top point guards obviously SG number one with
a bullet no interest in this sty at this point now,
then your next guys who on that in order one,
We're still we're still seeing stuff, right, I guess for
the time being.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
Well, I tell you what.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
One or two of both of them disagree with me.
I'll take Cunningham of the stuff right now.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
That's a stretch, but I mean, I guess. I mean,
you don't want to take a take and back it
up with something I'll be.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
The only that's it.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah, but you're looking at a one year sample. I'm
a one year sample for the game of my life
right now.

Speaker 8 (19:50):
I'm not talking about five years ago.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
No, no, no, right now, you're saying for this year right now.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
I don't hate it.

Speaker 8 (19:59):
Cunning how could take a team to the Promised Land.
That's how good he is.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
You're happy fasted of the game of basketball. He is
exceptional every.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
Ye Oh, No, I'm not. I'm not putting I'm not
putting him in Steph level.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
So I don't know.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
But I'm saying Cunningham at what the twenty seventh, twenty six,
twenty five or whatever.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
How hold is twenty Steph. That's what I'm talking about
right now.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
I'd rather have a thirty eight year old Steph for
this one year. I think he still has so so game.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
Offense, this kild could do it could scold the same way.
Maybe it's different ways, but you can sCOD.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
The same reference.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
When I did my my my top twenty five list,
what are your started? I haventing nine overall overall. Now, however,
before that, here's the point guards I ranking ahead of
right now, I had ranked in the year, I had Sga.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Who was number two.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Luca is considered a point still right, So four, that's complicated, okay,
Jalen Brunson at seven and Steph Curry eight, and rafter
Steph Curry was is Ky Cunning. So I have Kate
Cunning as a one, two three, fifth, fifth ranked point
guard in the league according to this list.

Speaker 8 (21:22):
But so you have five point guards in your top ten.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean they're they're They're not your prototypical John Stockton,
Chris Paul point guards there. They're shooting guards, you know,
they're they're shooting guards for all intentsive purposes. They just
have the ball in their hands.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
That's the James Horden factually, espectually James Horden effect.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
Actually think, yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Know, now, granted, if you really took a bigger overview
of the list, like there's no Jason Tatum here because
he's not playing this year. There's no Tyres Halbert in
the list because not playing the year, so those guys
are on the list.

Speaker 8 (21:59):
Kate.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Anyways, my point is though the overall list, I had Kate.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Cunning on number nine over Okay, So if there was
a world right era where Tatum and Halibert both.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Healthy, I think about putting those guys over Cunning him.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
You put you put Haliburton over Gunning.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
I'll consider it some consideration. I mean, went to the finals.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
With with all the magic last year, and I am
a Tyree's Alburt fan. I'm not sure if I'm no.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
No, I'm not saying I would definitely. No, I'm not
say it's defending. I'm just saying that it's a conversation.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
No, it won't be a long conversation, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well Tum, but we all agree Tail will him definitely
because Tatum is I mean, he's had like eight years
of amazing basketball, NBA championship, a couple of finals appearances.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
We can have we can have a separate conversation about
how good I think Jason Tatum is.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Yeah, yeah, is different. You have proven himself after.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I'm putting this the segment definitely, I take this is
a big.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
Take the other side. I want to see Jason Tatum
on the team by himself.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
No, No, there's something you need.

Speaker 8 (23:11):
I want him on a.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
Team like Kate Cunningham's on the team and see what
he does.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
Agree, got a lot of help right now. I will
say that they ain't doing it by himself.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I will say team not being in Boston this year
is helping his case. And I might in the in
the World you guys podcast a couple of years. You know,
I've been because Tam critics in the world anyone.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
Missing Corford gone right, and then you're.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
At He's gone, always gone.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
They don't They don't win that championship.

Speaker 8 (23:43):
They didn't have KP.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
When when they got those they assembled that team at
the best time, and they I mean they randomlyague because
they had that going when they were going on all
cylinders with KP, they were you know, you see them
and you're like, this is like the model exceptional mon stars.

Speaker 8 (24:02):
So Jew Holiday they.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
Don't have anymore either.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
He was battle.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
I'm talking about that championship, that championship team that they had.
So it's not only Jason Tatum leaves there. There's a
lot of stuff that they So.

Speaker 8 (24:19):
They don't build the last in other words.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
I mean, they're they're they're essentially they're starting lineup.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
No, Eric, it's a great argument because it's the same
thing I've been saying for years all about Tatum is
why he's first winning as hell, Like he doesn't have
the dog in him. He's not if you give what
did I say to you no more on the podcast,
you give him bowles heart.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
The guy's the top player in the league. Mm hmm.
He's probably better than Jokic.

Speaker 7 (24:40):
No. No, I went through a rabbit hole of watching
uh uh. It started on highlights because I was telling
myself I never see like any Jokic highlights, and then
I just started went into watching clips of games with Jokic. Yeah,

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jokicch is uh yeah, that's he's the most boring, you know,
player to watch probably, but it's it's kind of like magic.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
No I seen him play.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
I have to ask you this question that I've got
to mention that because I saw a video I want
to I want to clip it here, but I have
time to put it in the time. Someone made a case, oh,
Standing Gundy made the case that Nicole Jokic could be
the greatest uh.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
And and I said, I'm like Yo, I'm listening to you, guys.
Just give me a quick second. Listen to you guys.
And that's exactly what I thought about. And last week
I had that same mindset. I'm thinking, Wow, that guy
is amazing again. I've been looking at basketball for close

(25:48):
to sixty years, right, and I'm telling you highly unusual,
highly unorthodox.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
But he does things exceptional.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
Everything, everything off, every thing.

Speaker 6 (26:03):
And it shows that he's not even making maximum method.
But that's besides the point. No, an argument could be
made in five more years if you continue at that page.
By the we all realized you already surpassed the triple.

Speaker 7 (26:20):
What do you call it?

Speaker 8 (26:21):
The most piece? Uh, most m vps?

Speaker 6 (26:26):
No, not the most assists, points and rebounds in a game.

Speaker 8 (26:33):
He's already number one row.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
But he has what three m v p s two
m v p s three, it's probably should have been four.

Speaker 8 (26:43):
You can.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
I will still say, you know, I'm saying he should
have won it.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
Last year I found the clip hold on he talking second?

Speaker 8 (26:52):
Uh huh, the numbers just look at the numbers on
on You can't.

Speaker 7 (26:57):
I think it was kind of the lebron thing where
they were we can't give it to him again, yeah no,
but like Lebron should have six or seven m vps there,
and they were like, we just can't give it to
him again.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
Okay, remember.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Okay, before unpack those topic. Here here's the clip itself.
It was Zach lowan stemming Gundy front office said this
to me at summer League, and I just hadn't heard
it verbalized like this, think might be the best offensive
player in the history of the NBA.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
I think that's on the table now for me.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Well, he might be.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
The best player in the history of the NBA.

Speaker 9 (27:34):
Here here's the thing, Like my son says this all
the time every sport. He's more of a baseball guy
because I understand the thought that you compare players to
how well they did in the era they played in,
But the evolution of athletes is we can probably say

(27:55):
that the best twenty basketball players in history have probably
played in the last twenty years.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Sack hmm. Yeah. So my perfect action, of course. And
I see that.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
I hear that like it's crazy, it's crazy crazy, But
you know, I gotta pause.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
He's calling, all right, we're back. Sorry about that old
phone call.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
So when you hear something like that from Van Gundy,
you know obviously, you know you look you look at
that like, oh, that's a hot take, and like what
are you talking about Michael Jordan?

Speaker 5 (28:30):
You know, Kobe, But you take.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
A step back, forget the narratives, forget all the branding,
all the stuff. Have a basketball conversation if you even did,
just basketball and about what you do on the court
and your skill set.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
It's not a stupid take. It's not a bad take.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
I think Van Gundy is on crack saying he's the
best player. I think it's very well, you can very
well say he's the best offensive player that has been
on the court. He's not a two way player. No,
he might be averaging one and I have steals again,
but he's not. He's not a two way player, right,
So that's not that's that's the only thing I would say,

(29:10):
like I'm not and I said this to Dad, I'm
not taking him over Jordan. I'm not taking him over Lebron. No,
I might not take him over uh Duncan. Well, there
might be a push on Kobe.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Here's the thing too, Well, this makes basketball in the
NBA unique for me anyway, when I talk about these rankings,
like because you impact, like like the NFL when you're
a quarterback and he's about best correcks of all time, Well,
you impact only one side the ball, you know what
I'm saying, Whereas the NBA, you impact both sides of
the ball. So a lot of times the guys that

(29:49):
are in that top ten discussion are guys that were
great players on not on one side way, but both
sides of the court. So Michael Jeordgan, Michael Jordan's so
great that people forget how great defendery like he's on
the best whole time. People forget that though, because he
was so good on one side of the wall, but
he was that he was just as elite on the
defense men's wall to Hocking lij One. Same thing to

(30:10):
other guys in the top ten, same thing, right, never question.
So the thing with Jokic, like to me, like you
start when you start winning multiple titles, that's where you need.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
You need multip titles in my.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Opinion, to start getting that real conversation up like top ten, topifteen,
because every guy in my top.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Player or offensive player.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
In general, player in general?

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Okay, but player though, which one are you disputing? Offensive
player or player?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Because offensively I'm w I'm disputed player a part that's
not a conversation.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Yeah, okay, Wan, So like to me, like, if you're
you want to be considered.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
My top fifteen, Matt, that matter, you probably need two rings.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
You need to be a player in order to be
considered for top players.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
And if you're.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Gonna do that, if you're gonna not be a right
one player one side the ball and not any other,
did you better stop to fucking you better start the
deck in some ways and rings to make it, to
make it insurmountable to where like we can't argue it.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
Not anymore because like Bird was a good.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Defender, wasn't great, but he has three rings and he
also has done some great things outside the ball that
makes you say, okay, he's the top ten guy.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
Still we can't the difference with Jovic though he's so
efficient on offense. Mm hmm, Like you gotta give him
like he he probably has to be in your top
ten all time.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
So what are you taking out? So my top ten?

Speaker 4 (31:29):
I know if you guys have a top ten, I
have my top ten still I've had since two twenty two.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Jordan in order, Jordan lebron Kareem Magic.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Wilt, Russell, uh Duncan, Kobe Byrd and Curry.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
That's my top ten has been modified into in three years.
He took it out.

Speaker 8 (31:48):
Now.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Russell's easy one, obviously, but that's really think about that
a little bit tech before we you know, his impact
is still his impact.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
He penalized for his era for.

Speaker 8 (32:02):
Reasons.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Sit again the.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Question for sentimental reason. I don't know, and I love
Bill Russell. His impact on the game, as you said,
is I mean unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
The greatest winter of all time and it's worked still.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
Today in the sixties greatest.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Okay, So where how would you with his game the
way the game is played today, How do you think
he would have been reacting today's environment.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
Well, but with the science today you have to apply.
You have applied to the science available today too.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
All so in the game changes, do you see Bill
Russell having any sort of impact in any form with
with the science he has any the access to.

Speaker 7 (32:45):
I think he would have been. You would have been
like Ben Wallace.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
That's good comp I've been a little better and I.

Speaker 7 (32:52):
Was thinking a little better than Ben Walla on defense.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
So the them go hunt. Yeah, I think it's easy to.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
Take players that are not in the top ten, not
even players of all time.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Yeah, but there was special there was specialists.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
Okay, the way that I look at it, maybe we're
getting a little bit off tilter on top ten. But
the way that I look at it is saying, at
their at their peak, who if you had a if
you had NBA two K and you're sitting here, and
the way that they do. You know, teams when they peak,
you know, the best teams of all time. When you
take them at their peak, who who's your first, second, third, fourth,

(33:36):
fifth player to take? It's Jordan, It's Lebron, It's Duncan
for me. For me, Kareem, it's Kareem.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Probabmatic too.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Understand magics around there, period, but understand magic yeah was.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
Magic? Yeah, no magics around there.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
I can't put Steph anywhere close to the top five
and peak just because he's a specialist. But like, it's not.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Shooting, way, but that shooting is an equalizer. It's a
massive equalizer though it is.

Speaker 7 (34:17):
It is. It is just like I don't I wouldn't
put I wouldn't I wouldn't put Steph above Kobe and
I have to have Kobe in there, just as as
your peak peak Kobe was one of the most amazing
things I've ever seen in my entire life.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
He was We also only won forty five games Max
at that era. I am mad max Step one titles.

Speaker 7 (34:41):
But that's about who you have around you. Steph doesn't
have two of those titles.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
But I'm not eating too Kevin Durant either, but I'm
Kevin Durant.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
Again, Steph doesn't have two of those titles. If he
doesn't have kd Lebron.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Would have two titles.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Okay, but there's the thing with the titles though, then
is even then because he removed shot from Kobe.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
Actually no, it's not no what STEP's first title. I'm
gonna tell you why Steph's first title. There was no Kyrie,
there was no Kevin Love. He didn't even play a
full a full stacked Cleveland squad and Lebron average what
like thirty ten in like twelve in that series. Yeah,
I don't think, and I love Steph. I literally just

(35:20):
went down to the game got pissed off like a
little child because I wasn't able to see Steph play. Yeah,
I don't as much as I love him, he would
have won. And that was the one in Boston.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
You're convinced Cleveland's that title if Kyrie is healthy and.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
And and I was a scorn you know, Lebron hater
at that point in time when he left the heat.
But like you gotta give give jackets jacket, Lebron would
have beat them, and the next year he did beat them.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Although things happened that series that made that happen, the
Draymond Spence the Boge injury was huge.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Record Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was huge that.

Speaker 7 (36:01):
Series with with your top through two of your top
three players out.

Speaker 8 (36:07):
That's don't get me wrong.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
I have Kobe had a step stole My on my list.
I'm not saying that it's I'm just.

Speaker 7 (36:14):
Saying the championship like the perennial championship, like you know winner.
I get it, Steph is great, But when you have
Kevin Durant on your team, that's a totally different game.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I don't even count Duran Durant's cheat code. I don't
even count the Durant.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
You have Kevin Durant at the speak because Pete Durant.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Right, are Kevin Durant Kevin Durant, depending on the rules.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Kevin Durant Warriors team beats the ninety six Bulls depending
on the rules, depending on the rules. Because because now
you gotta say, Robin out of the out of the equation,
because now Robin has to go out on the perimeter guard.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
One of those guys.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
He could Kennedy, you could, but then then you have
no one to rebound Robin Strengthen that becomes, you know,
no fight now because he's on the perimeter.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Gardon Katie or or or or Clay whatever it is.

Speaker 7 (37:02):
So yeah, but with the volume of shots Roden, we
would have probably averaged like double in terms of rebounding
that he had.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Probably it's very possible. Do you do you Okay, let
me ask this question. Do you guys have y'll kich
right now, just right now in your top fifteen? I
think twenty is five. I think we all agree, twenties
top twenty all time. I think what they already.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
Twenty, they've really done a top ten. But I think
your top ten looks pretty much as but what mine
would look like. You know, we're all really going through
the detail.

Speaker 8 (37:35):
Yeah you have to say yes, but.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Yes, yeah, yeah, Top fifteen, right, top thing.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
You can't you can't argue with its numbers.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yeah, because the only guys my fifteen after to get
past Steph is that you have Shack no wonder, Shack,
durant Yo, Kicch obviously big o'.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
And maybe a last one. I said.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
People a day would appreciate Oscar Robinson. You know it's
the old time I appreciate your naming him big old
there he was the triple double before the triple double, but.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Big win and then win to got Kareem. That hurts
his case. Don't think he won't know. It's one time
with Kareem. Right because team, because we do value. We
do value rings though heavy and that sport.

Speaker 7 (38:28):
I don't know if I value rings ring he went
walking together. I don't know if I value rings in
my top ten.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Then put Michael Beasley in there kind of ship.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
No, no, come on, come on, come on, come on.
If I if I were doing ball a street ball team, yes,
he's probably top ten streetball. No rings the matter matter
rings him. But in terms of like the weight, it's
it's it's it's one of the last.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Ones weight heav No.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
But to my point when I said about the comparison
between the NFL the NBA is that like when I
when it's about quarterbacks, like, damn, really my top five
all time?

Speaker 5 (39:09):
His no rings, but he has defenses to his career.
I can't hold against him either.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Okay, you know in the NBA because you impact swatch
on both sides of the court, the rings are not
the b all end all, but they do way heavier
than they do in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
Rings.

Speaker 7 (39:26):
So like my my top my top players, they're they're
not championships don't matter much. But all the top five, six, seven,
eight players they have multiple championships.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Right, Like I don't have my two way players that.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
Impacted winning in every way because.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Michael jordansings it's not number one because because six and no,
that's not even close to the reason why he's in there.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
It's everything else outside of six.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
No, he's number one for me because Tim Duncans literally
right alan something being six er two is it?

Speaker 8 (39:54):
And then what Yeah, so.

Speaker 7 (39:58):
I said take players that they're absolutely peak. There's just there,
you know, there's the same peak, and say that's that's
the way I'm wrecking ranging these players.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Oh yeah, Michael jordan Is, there's no there's been no
better peak I've seen than Jordan. Like to me, it's
funny though, that the four biggest peaks I think I've
ever seen in my lifetime Jordan, Curry, Lebron.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
And Shaq.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
Yeah, Shack is in my top ten again. It's it's tough.
If I put Jovic over him, I don't probably ka Sorry.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
Don't, don't, don't, don't. It's funny.

Speaker 7 (40:33):
Sorry, Yeah, there there's a very there's a very big
difference difference. Yeah, I wouldn't put Yovic over Shack just
because defensively, but it's it's a push man, it's a
push I don't know if I if you told me,
would you rather take Yovich or would you rather take Kobe?

Speaker 5 (40:55):
It's a tough one, better player.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Oh that's tough because tough one because just provides more
on thatside the ball than Kobe does.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Actually think about it.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
Yeah, Kobe and a better passed, the better passer and
he's more efficient.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
And Kobe's my passor I'm not saying the pastor he's
d Yo than Kobe.

Speaker 7 (41:16):
What not?

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Question Yok's passes that magic. Johnson would be like, yeah,
I'll see myself again.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
And efficient too, in fact, yeah, and from and from
that position too, it's even harder because it's not more
chaos when in the block.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
So to me, it's even more more.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Impressive because he's passing small windows ahead.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
His three point percentage field goal percentage. Maybe he's closer,
you can say he's closer to the rim fine three
point Percentage's shooting forty five percent this season, shot forty
one percent, thirty five percent, which I think is around
Kobe's average in twenty three twenty four. So he's the
equivalent of Kobe's three point percentage more efficient field goal

(42:02):
percentage wise overall, and probably I mean he's averaging a
triple double in those seasons.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
I'm gonna play the whole Patrick Mahomes, Tom.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Brady artment here for for Jokic. It won't acquire Yokic.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
You get five rings to surpass Kobe, same Mahomes passing Brady.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
He won't require seven rings, you know what I'm saying.
So if Yo someone gets two more rings before his
career is over.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
That's that's an unfair one. That's an unfair one because Kobe.
Three of those rings are with Shack. I I can't
you can't those two things are not the same. So
if he gets one more ring, he can be on
the just saying, let's let's Kobe has four, Kobe's five.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Yeah to three Shack two with himself on his own.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
Yeah, if he gets another ring, you can. Yeah, if
you're if you're waiting, if you're waiting championships that well, yeah,
you could have this, just like the recent thing that
that McGrady said, if he was on the Lakers, you'd
probably won the championship of Shack.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
Yeah. I agree with that. I I was just thinking
the last peak.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
I said on the podcast last week with my buddy
Mark that Penny Hardaway was a better fit than than Kobe.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
Was basketball wise, very similar games.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
Cobyen and Kobe and Penny.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Yes and no, Penny was much more Penny was much
more pass pass even though he could score, he was
much more of a passer.

Speaker 8 (43:31):
He didn't.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
It was if Penny had said healthy you but having
a conversation about him in the top ten.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
O, damn right, he would he was that good.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Penny Hardaway and Shaq would have won to ring if
he's if Shack stays the Orlando Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
That was that was supposed to be five rings yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Circumstances hurt that one circumstances. Jordan number one, hurt that one,
shack leading number two.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Penny Harves number three. Injuries. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
So, speaking of goats and all that stuff, Lebron, you're
twenty three, I think that would be. And still since
since got back, h I think still, I think we're
I'm beating the Lakers. I'm beaten since since Labron got
back two weeks ago.

Speaker 8 (44:07):
The Western Conference.

Speaker 7 (44:11):
That's it is because everything everything under Oklahoma's wide.

Speaker 8 (44:16):
Open, right, I think l A, l A for real,
l A and l A can beat Okay if everyone
is on.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Playing like this. Where's the thing though, Dad?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Okay, So he's eighteen, I think eighteen one and the
second best players that you haven't played haven't played a
minute yet.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Mm hmm, right, that's a problem.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Jill wimses and Jail wims Is as a top more line,
top ten player in the league anyway, not like some guy.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
He's our guy. He's a big guy. He's a massive
fit to that team.

Speaker 8 (44:52):
You know, he's one of the players in the league
right now.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Ten to fifteen.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Actually, I'm gomber love in my list actually told my list, Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 7 (45:04):
They're fifteen and one in conference play and I know
at home nine. Oh man, yeah, they're.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
They're so good.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
SGA is just plucky and just doing this thing and
you know, falls into thirty plus points a game. The
nineteen one now one eleven in a row, and it's
funny there won't eleven in a row now wants to talk
about it?

Speaker 5 (45:26):
No, I's talking about It's like, okay, because Detroit one
fourteen a row, that's a big, big deal. August he
was eleven in a row, is like, oh well, it's
what they do.

Speaker 7 (45:32):
Yeah, and I think what did they say? Uh? SGA
is averaging thirty but sitting like the last like five
or six minutes.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
Well no, no, no, the full fourth quarter.

Speaker 7 (45:44):
The fourth quarter or something unless it's a competitive insane insane.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
He is right now the runaway MVP.

Speaker 8 (45:54):
How can you say that with jo Bidge with a
triple double because it's.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
Not in the nineteen one. Then that's why the nineteen
and one.

Speaker 8 (46:02):
Good argument, good argument.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
He's got a full strength.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
They're nineteen and one.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
And they're still winning. What I said, I was playing
a team.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
This this goes back to last year. Do you think
SG a Yoki should have won the MVP.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
Won it bro they were two wins from seventy something
about that.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
I get that, but if you're talking, but it's one
point for individual accomplishment or team accomplished. But that.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Way's the argument.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
By that, by that factor, coy Ruscher won in and
five when he won three seven games miss the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
I don't think you cold right on the MVP that
for being some one hundred.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
I think the the m v P, the m VP
overall kind of gauge has just been flawed by what's
important to whoever the presses or whatever at a certain
point in time, right because.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
It has been flawed, it has been flaw Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
With that, but if I would think that it should
be on your numbers.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
But the numbers are you have the repuls a game
in three quarters in three quarters?

Speaker 7 (47:20):
I mean Yovich is averaging a triple double. You Jokic, Jokic, sorry, you.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Know he mean we need to treat we need to
trade him with the teams we.

Speaker 7 (47:28):
Can let's go. Yeah, Seriously, he's averaging twenty nine twelve
and a half, eleven assists, one and a half steals
and points out on the box again and sixty three
shooting and forty five percent.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
From three, and them before in the West and then
in the West and.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
Again race SGA has a better team. You take Yovic
off of the Nuggets, there's probably.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Eighth better team.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Yes, but their second best player has not played it
second of basketball this year yet.

Speaker 7 (48:06):
I understand. That's what I'm saying. It's a better team.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
It's a better team that they they that was okay,
they didn't add a free agent anything.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
This this is a a natural.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
You know, I'm the second best player on the second
best player that doesn't come back. Maybe let's all at
all put them all together. Is SG gonna average the
same numbers with Jaylen Williams coming back? Probably?

Speaker 8 (48:30):
I still can't.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
I don't know how you don't give Yovich and sorry
and with these numbers?

Speaker 5 (48:38):
Is that is that K really lazy to you?

Speaker 8 (48:40):
Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
I'm just I'm very I talked so much about Jovic
that is just like that comes out.

Speaker 8 (48:49):
It's it's that.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Where we do agree is death Eric. It's once again
for the third year in a row, it's a two memories,
two teams agree because it was.

Speaker 8 (49:02):
Guys, looks fine.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
If I mean if Wemby.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
You know me, Wenmy was the leader until until you know,
he got hurt, would have been the leader, one away
leader for me. But no, it's it is a great place, man.

Speaker 7 (49:17):
Yeah, the league is.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Not nothing, bro, It's a great place.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
So the only the only problem with the league right
now is that the top players aren't obscure markets. Yeah,
where it doesn't it doesn't matter too much for them,
you know, there's they're still getting their money. But like
if these players were in the New York well, Lucas
in La, Lebrons in La.

Speaker 8 (49:43):
But like.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
If you had that like the Chicago's and they had
in the major metros, that's the only thing that would
have made it.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Like, by the way Chicago balling now too, that's a surprise.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Yeah, we beat them last week though soundly and soundly too,
in fact without BAM.

Speaker 8 (50:04):
I mean, did we did we.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
Talk about the possible what trades we need to do
for the heat?

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Though we did, we did sort of. But you we
just said, I asked you what what what whales you get?
You said, it's really not a whales, just upgrades.

Speaker 8 (50:18):
Yes, that's such a question.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
Who has expiring contracts outside the trade line February trade line.
Who I mean any candidates that players should we say
different makers, like.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
Big players, like like whales. I talk twenty five guys.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
Or different makers, someone who would fit in perfectly.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
And no, no one, no one really.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Like Gianness is next year? No really, anybody else really?
That's what you're significant that has a deal.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
The better question for a hero trade is there anyone
that wants hero that's going to give you something of
substance for you.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
I think here the last year and a half, his
production on the offensive end makes it more intriguing.

Speaker 8 (51:09):
Now.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Obviously, I know, I know a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
In our family have a feel kind of way about
him on defense, and I get that, but he does
provide a phenomenal offensive.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
But I think that's the target. That's the target, right,
I was gonna take heros last year. I'm gonna pay you.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
I'm out on jaw. I'm out on job job, I remember,
I wasting the whole lot John Morant, MI anything.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
No, I'm out. I'm out because I don't I don't
need that behavior in my locker room.

Speaker 7 (51:38):
Sorry, just don't I that it wouldn't fit here.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
No, there he's there talking ship with Klay Thompson about
this and that, and you're on the bench like you
have such a lack of self awareness.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
And I think even Miami cand rehab that.

Speaker 7 (51:54):
I don't know if I really want that, but I mean,
it's not a place that people come to rehab.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Actually that's not true though.

Speaker 7 (52:01):
Who who Who's gonna leave Memphis to come to Miami
of all places, as as the vaunted superstar to come
here and rehab their guncoating lack of maturity, you know,

(52:21):
wants to lack of self awareness. Miami is the land
of lack of self awareness, right, true? He I thought,
and I still think he would probably get worse coming
down here because you have more you have more lights
down here.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
It's it's the culture to.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
The culture can only reel someone in. But so much,
I think there's a there's a very and I I
liked him in college, still like him, but like there's
a there's something that's missing there that's that's not.

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Yeah, especially Yeah, there's just too much.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
There's too much high reward there for me, and not
just off the corp, but on the court too.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
Yeah. I don't see anyone giving him along ter a
five year.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
This one, No no, not this, not this point like
he he he had to know he has to be
buttoned up. He had to know he's not doing that.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
So why would I want to pay that guy to
represent my franchise? Is my number one player? No, I'm out.

Speaker 7 (53:30):
I'll look at job Moran highlights on YouTube for the
next five years. I don't know on the heat mhm no.
And so outside of that, who wants who wants Tyler Hero?

Speaker 5 (53:43):
His shooting again? You need shooters again?

Speaker 8 (53:47):
Are we?

Speaker 7 (53:47):
Are we gonna I think the only people that want
Tyler Hero, or if you're gonna say we're gonna be
go go trade is a disgruntled star that's great offensively
and not good. You're not going to trade a two
way player for Tyler Tyler Hero, right, we want a
two way player. That's the only way we're getting something
out of this is we get someone that's good, offensive,
wily and good.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
But the problem, the problem is, though, how many two
way players are out there exactly.

Speaker 7 (54:10):
That's why I say, let's just keep incrementally get better.
I just don't know how much when we go into
his contract negotiation we might have to pay him, But
I think that's market for what.

Speaker 8 (54:22):
You pay it depending on how he finished up the year.

Speaker 7 (54:25):
Yeah, depending on how which I think is what they're
trying to do is just say, like, what can you
do in the playoffs when we have like this team
Eric makes sense.

Speaker 8 (54:36):
Payoffs? Then you spot.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Eric your finance guy.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
So do you see the salary cap increasing signficantly the
next year or two to wear the space to make
that happen.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
That it's a finance guy. And I don't know that
the salary cap like likeas I know that we can't
have I mean, what what is it? Uh? What's the
salary cap?

Speaker 8 (54:58):
This here.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
Million?

Speaker 5 (55:01):
Before you get into all those those exemptions and stuff.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
Yeah, let's just working on that. I think the calculus
is can you win a championship? Like or I think
the heat calculus is can you win a championship with
this team that you have assembled? And if you can't,
then let's just kind of lay off players.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Well, I think I think they mean, I think it's yeah,
and I think.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
It's worth it to see what this team can do
in a Blackluster Eastern Conference on million, ok, one hundred
fifty four, So yeah, I think it's worth it to
see what the team can do in a lackluster Eastern Conference.
Because again, this is the problem that you have with
this is not the twenty fourteenth. Further, people got their money.
They're kind of like on there at their peak, but

(55:49):
on the way down. This is a team that, like,
these guys want to get paid. The money's out there,
and there's a market where Tyler Hero will command forty
five million. Yeah, someone's going.

Speaker 8 (56:05):
To do that.

Speaker 7 (56:07):
Yeah, is that heat going to be I think at
forty five assuming his same production, I think yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Probably still young and he's still young. Yeah, he's mid twenties.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
Yeah, like you might, you might have to do I shooter,
he's just.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
Shooting also too, So those are premium.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
So the question, because how do we get better than
it's incrementally, how.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Do we get to the it's taking this roster and
this elevating.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
Tweaking, it's tweaking this roster.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
We don't.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
The problem is glaring. The problem is glaring with this defense.
It's just as the offensive way of the defense.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
Here are the teams that are clearly barren. Mind right now,
clearly bar in Miami, especially in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Okay, in the West, I was almost half the West
better in Miami is clearly okay, see he used to
and San Antonio, uh Lakers at the point, probably better Miami, right,
I'll say, yeah, yeah, okay, Uh, I'm missing Denver fright there.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
I think that's it. Minnesota, Minnesota, m h.

Speaker 8 (57:15):
I wouldn't put them.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
I don't know, man. I like Edwards, man, but it's
something that's like, I will.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
Send this down to the basketball gods. I will, I
will rehab whatever is wrong with Anthony Edwards in Miami.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
I isn't wrong with him at all.

Speaker 7 (57:31):
Send them down here. He shoots, but who else is
gonna shoot the ball?

Speaker 5 (57:37):
No, what I'm saying is that he shoots too many
three point shots.

Speaker 8 (57:41):
Yeah he is, and.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
He doesn't go to the basket enough for me.

Speaker 7 (57:48):
Look, he's not trying to end up like Derek Rose.
He's like it needs to be going in that much.
Maybe he I mean, he's he's gotten to the fade
away a little bit.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
But what I'm saying that stuff the I want. But yeah,
I'm just being picky.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
In the East right now currently this year, right now,
they're really only two maybe three teams that clearly been Miami,
New York, Cleveland and Detroit anyway.

Speaker 7 (58:13):
For and foreseeable. Let's let's just go to next year.
Haliburton comes back. Well you they lost Miles Turner.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Yeah, but that that was on's gonna happen. And I
think that's more what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (58:27):
Even when they get Halliburton back next year, all right,
because the calculus is like, Okay, can we make a
run this year, Let's not trade him call the next
two years. Let's just see what what the East looks like.
There's no clear winner in the East.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
Right, Like I do you.

Speaker 7 (58:44):
I don't even think Dayton going back to Boston, like
they just jump back up to the number one seed,
but like there'll be a top three. They still got
stuff to figure out. But again, I always think that
Miami can beat Boston.

Speaker 8 (58:57):
Yeah this year, Yeah, no, no, no them.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
I think they can beat them with Tatum. It's not
like it hasn't happened.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 7 (59:11):
Like different squad though, it's a it's a it's a
very different squad that they have this year or and
going forward that were you know, the players that they
don't have, Like I don't know if I see Boston
as like a sustained problem when when Tatum comes back
either way. With Miami, you kind of have like a window.

(59:32):
I think over these next two or three years, call
it these next two years that like you, I would
take a deep push by you know, maybe it's a
tweak or something. There's no big big stars coming off,
assuming there's no like disgruntled stars of one out.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Well, there's no bus out there, it's gonna be a.

Speaker 7 (59:50):
You know, there's there's always a bonus out.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
There, potential cat out there saying go, yeah, I'm not
gonna leave New York.

Speaker 8 (59:58):
Catsung New York. Can you finally get to New York?

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Yeah, I don't think leaving.

Speaker 8 (01:00:04):
But I again, to me, I go back to the
original argument that I made.

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
The Heat needs to play where they need to play,
get him experienced during the regular season.

Speaker 7 (01:00:18):
Wait before we get to that, though, what's what's the
market for Hero.

Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
Right now?

Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
Because that's the only probably twenty forty well on a
trade animal, what is the market for Hero?

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
You'll get a first man, you get a first room easily,
maybe too be lucky.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
So if you're accepting draft cast, yeah, so if you're accepted,
but don't you have to clay with salary for something
or you can just shed salary and get the first
round picks.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Well, it has to match the salary, has to be
adequate to what the salary is, so you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
Can get the combination of the salary. No one's substantial
pretty much, and just say we're doing it for the picks.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
You can get quality the picks. At this point, I
keep I keep Hero.

Speaker 7 (01:01:03):
And that's that's I'll be honest.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
I'll be honest you.

Speaker 7 (01:01:05):
I don't think there's a market for him to go
in here.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
I'll be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
You unless your name is Nicola Jokic, s g A,
you know, Luca blah blah blah blah blah, your top
five players in the league will give me am up.
I'm okay keeping this core together and then it work
because I think this core could actually elevate Hero and
Bam ultimately with the help Bam has played.

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
You're going to have the defensive issue with playing heron, but.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
I will live that. Yeah, that was a territory.

Speaker 7 (01:01:35):
Yeah, you have to accept it. And that's why I
think the only the only incremental improvement.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
Is Lakers had the same problem defender. The Lakers had
the same problems. Name is Luka. He's the worst. He's
the worst defender in thenation, didn't Hero?

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
I argue coaching fixes that issue because again, defenses effort issues,
not it's not a skill.

Speaker 7 (01:01:53):
But what do you think like that play that that
play that Arrow had that he just gave up. What
do you think is like, what does that conversation with
spoone Hero look like? Like, Hey, you you clearly just
like walked probably even he.

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
Looked at him.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
You knew the guy who was gonna shoot, and then
you kind of just slowed down even more.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
But I think that's meentality though, because like in nineteen
ninety five, your coach is gonna put you on the
bench for that shit. In twenty twenty five, you're saving legs,
So you have that that balance, Like, are you okay
with that one mishap put a bigger picture?

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Yeah, because I am people, I am too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
I'll look at it because if the roster is good
enough to win games, win twenty five plus games, I'm
okay with it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
But are you paying him fifty million dollars or whatever
the max salary that he might be looking for to
have that on your books for the next three four seasons?

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
You may have to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
You have no choice if you don't. If you don't,
I mean, unless you want to another rebuild. This is
this is kind of a rebuild anyway, sort of like
a sort of a retooling.

Speaker 7 (01:02:58):
I mean it was kind of supposed to be retooling
season and you got Powell and then you're like, hey, okay,
where coming up? And you actually had a decent squad
on paper.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Powell was supposed to be as good.

Speaker 8 (01:03:08):
Though, I go back again. I like the man at
four and wear at five, develop around them to and
sync with each other.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Yeah, try to get another big man, uh mid season,
be a trade or whatever. I mean, a solid six
ten to forty two fifty right to back them up.
Who's the back we don't think. I don't think we
have a backup to them to power forward and center.

(01:03:41):
I mean a legitimate power forward center. I don't think
we have a tell the.

Speaker 7 (01:03:45):
Johnson or something.

Speaker 8 (01:03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
Maybe, but I think they've always.

Speaker 7 (01:03:48):
Been closed this back up to like a powerful They've.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
Always been fit in that area.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Beyond this is why were That's why, that's why where
it is in the bench to ax.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
Ten and fifty, you know, pound forwards just run around.
There's not a plenty in this league. No like, yeah,
Porter from from New York, from Brooklyn, Yeah, order quarter.
I can tell you that the only person that, oh,
Michael Porter Junior gotch you go to. Yeah, I was

(01:04:18):
gonna say the only person that I know Porter is
Michael Porter Junior. I thought you were talking to somebody else.

Speaker 8 (01:04:23):
Yeah, I mean it would be a great and you
can score from the side and you can rebone.

Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
Yeah, I had put that. I'd put that in the
group chat a little while ago, like it's Michael Porter Junior.
In actual that's the only somewhat case I can make, like, hey,
would you trade Tyler Hero from Michael Porter Junior?

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Hell no, hell no.

Speaker 7 (01:04:43):
And when you come back to it, it's the injury history.
He's balling right now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
Though, Okay on a bad team, Yeah he's balling.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
No, but look, let's face it, I'm gonna tell you something.
That guy is a prototype fo. The only reason he's
doing Superstar h I would say three four he's six ten, yeah,
two four, he's a four, right, and the reason that
you don't see him banging up in the middle is

(01:05:16):
because he has a good outside shot. Yeah, but before
he was injured, when he was coming out of college,
he had a back injury.

Speaker 8 (01:05:21):
If you remember, he didn't play his last year, right,
Apart from that, he was slated to be a superstar.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
His comp was Lebron, you know that, right, his comp.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
But yeah, but then I think I saw an interview
with him recently and they said all the teams that
evaluated him, I think it was like half of them
were like, he might not play in the NBA.

Speaker 8 (01:05:43):
Injury because of the back.

Speaker 7 (01:05:44):
So it's like, and it's back has shown that he
has injured his back while he's been in the league.
They still gave him crazy contract.

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
Six seven years now and bowling out still you know,
but it definitely doesn't have the movement.

Speaker 8 (01:05:58):
No, no, no, you don't have the letter. He's done.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
He is maxed out at who he is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
He'll he'll be he'll he'll he'll end up getting like
mid salaries west of his career because he's still young
enough to get it. But he's not going to get
a big salary again because he's just not dependable health
like he he'll he'll have value to a contending team
that needs a fifth option, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
What I mean? We don't need that, No, no, no, no,
he's more so.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
In addition, on a on a on a lower contract.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
On a great team, on a great that's trying to
find Yeah, we every every every I'm not trading Hero.

Speaker 7 (01:06:33):
I'm not trading Hero.

Speaker 8 (01:06:34):
Hell. I wasn't saying that, but I was.

Speaker 7 (01:06:37):
I was thinking about where can we trade Hero that
something in the very least makes sense, And that's the only.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
I rather plays off on tech Yo and and and
Jovich and those guys and hot for I do one
for Junior and he's hurt.

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
I would trade Yovic if there's upside with the exception.
He's the exception your vision, another and another, throwing another
like five million dollar guy, can you get a specialist?

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Oh no, listen, last night I'm stuffling over too.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
So after last night, it's too late.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
Okay, drink, okay, drink, come down.

Speaker 7 (01:07:16):
After last night was right after you signed into a
fifteen or sixty million dollar contract. You hit the market
and you say, hey, who are you gonna get here?

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
Well, what's stuck with anyway? So I like the fact
that this heat roster.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Though there's a lot of plugging players there, plug and
playing punking, has a lot more options to play with.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
Now plugging this guy, your plugs out here? Okay, hoop
us out to night No big, you'll be off take
yo and you'll pitch to fill in the whole fin
night and two saying you have guys.

Speaker 8 (01:07:44):
Huh, No, are you frozen?

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
I have seen you. You're fine.

Speaker 8 (01:07:48):
You're fine.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
You're none of us are. That's on your riend. But
I see you fine. Yeah, you're good.

Speaker 8 (01:07:58):
I almost lost my pump. Okay, okay, but.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Yeah, you're fine. I just we never we never lost you.
We never lost you.

Speaker 8 (01:08:04):
No, no, no, no, okay, I'm good.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Okay, I want to talk Trump.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
Let's talk try. By the way, Dad, you look like
you're on the casting couch.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
Oh my god, you do.

Speaker 8 (01:08:19):
But what what am I casting for?

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
I don't know father, grandfather, best grandfather ever?

Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
So what's going on? Reference of casting couches in Hollywood?
Did I know about? Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
So I saw some recent numbers. His number, pull number,
his rings, his rule rings in a fucking tank right now, bro,
thirty six percent as low as as this week? Wow,
real far across from ten months ago. Huh when things were.

Speaker 8 (01:08:57):
Your friends on the on the right, what is this now?

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Well, it's funny you have two factions that you have
the one who are maga to the conservatives who agree
from out of white says, then you have the one who,
which I explained to you guys last year in the show,
that are not necessarily Republicans or right wings, but they
were frustrated with Biden and in the middle of the
kind of thing and they say, you know what, let's
try trouble and now they're frustrated.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Those are the ones I.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Look on, look on, I got buddy of mine now
and from from for numerous reasons too. Also, if it's
not just the economy, it's it's Israel, it's the Epstein thing,
you name it, it's a lot of things.

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
So the PoCA, but the last Hungarian ex prime minister
who was so guilty, yes recently.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:09:49):
At the same time, you're shooting down supposingly drug boats
in the Caribbean, and by the way, there's no guarantees
that those were drug boats in addition to two of
those bows that were hit with Trinidadians.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Did you all know that?

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Yeah, I know that, but I'm not I'm not shocked
based on the the where the reading is obvious. Yeah,
And for me, the fascinating things is the political point.
It's always fascinating to me how the political politics work,
because right now we're a tick under a year from
from the midterms. There were gonna win the mitrontalst likely

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and and probably in big numbers. It as a matter
how much they run the score. But you're starting to
see little by little now positioning from Republicans, some some
normal Republicans now, you know, trying to find a lifeboat,
if you will, because.

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
We're in a unique place now because.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Only he's one, and if something that the Republicans were
starting to pivot a little bit and not nothing huge yet,
but a little bit that you gotta see what it
wins the blue because at the end of the day,
if if you are, if if Trump is flowing apart
and the midterms are.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
I'm gonna compare it to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
I was not that as excessive, but politically speaking, where's JOEJ.
Busch was in two dozen and six Democrats crushed the
mid terms six This is right, this is this is
after the the well. My point was that that Republican
ticket in twenty twenty eight will be very toxic because
Trump can't run again. Okay, he can't run again, So

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that ticket John McCain had no shot win the election
against Obama for numerous reasons. Okay, the on Mama's fresh one,
but number two people were so discussed when the funking party.
Hell I left the party for that reason too. Also
that that that that year because of being lied to
about the wmns and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:11:53):
That was.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
No, I'm close, no, hell no, that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Was that's close to the last slides getna again with
obrobas he had he had three hundred and six something.

Speaker 7 (01:12:04):
Maybe I'm thinking about Romney.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
Yeah, that was. That was closer.

Speaker 7 (01:12:07):
But you could say that a lot of that was
shooting McCain, shooting himself in the foot, and then a
lot of that was the economy.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
Yeah, but that didn't return back to UH to Washington
went off the trail. That was a clear sign of
weakness on his part. UH indecisiveness and lack of focus.
That's when the middle remember this country's made up of
middle more middle than anything else, this middle daddy and

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he and he.

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
Was running against a generational candidate.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Yeah, now the economy only Burnis campaign. He was gonna
lose anyone regardless, only the economy. The crash in October
twenty eight only ran up the score. In my opinion,
he was never going to an election getting would.

Speaker 7 (01:13:02):
Have won the election if the economy was fine, even
if you had that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Ercent. Oh let's no, No, I don't think so. I
don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
I think there was so much disenchantment with Republicans and
moderates by two and eight.

Speaker 7 (01:13:18):
But Bush, you remember, because you're staying it because of
the war.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Do you remember? How do you do you remember where
Bush's numbers were by eight? You all know they were
three to twenty percent. It's a working low.

Speaker 8 (01:13:35):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
So George Bush soiled that ticket so much.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
It was so bad that he didn't even campaign on
McCain because they didn't want him to be attached that campaign.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
That's the reason they they had started pail in the
first place.

Speaker 7 (01:13:48):
That's okay, they want to put a hill, Mary. So
you're saying the war was the biggest thing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
The war was a massive part of that massive just
in terms of.

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
One two, three, largest was the or second was the economy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
I would say third was war of the war, but
then the economy kind of came out of nowhere election
and kind of became like one beat pretty much. But
the war was a long game.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Was a long game, yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
Mean I think the the economy was just humming along
and the war was still going on. You would say, okay, well.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
Well we're running a recession anyway, and then by.

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
Yeah, part that That's why I think it's if that
didn't happen, it was this, It was like this, and
then I think McCain would have kind of just went,
you know, kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
I don't think the mcannan chance, honestly, and I like
Don McCaine for the record, I don't think who was
the who.

Speaker 7 (01:14:46):
Was the who were the other Republican Republicans in the
primary was.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
That Romney was in one of those ricks and torm
was another one. Oh he was the way to Rix
and I remember it was watched the right didn't know
was this face me? Candon won again that that election?
What b Cannon when that ran that election? Also to
It's a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
All in all, though, I still think I don't know
man Obama as and you know, I'm an Obama, but
as great as Obama is, I don't know if you
wore to I don't know if I see him winning.

Speaker 8 (01:15:26):
There was diff economy was fine.

Speaker 7 (01:15:29):
What George was coming along.

Speaker 8 (01:15:30):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
What Obama did also on the left side to also
people who are just been franchise with folse as a whole,
is that he unlocked a lot of people who would
never to vote an election to go out and vote
just because of who he is. How you look like, yeah,
you have the fact that it's also too also.

Speaker 8 (01:15:43):
Yeah, fair, fair, you know, so this.

Speaker 7 (01:15:47):
Is still that's I'm saying, like, so I said the
generational candidate to say, there is no generational candidate coming coming,
No in twenty six or in twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
Donald, and but record Donald Trum it's also Jos for
the record.

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
Yes, no, I'm saying, like on the Democratic side, and
if you're you're trying Gavin Newsom out there, I think
if you take it today, I guess that's the front
runner for He might.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Win though because of the fact that he's the only
one willing to challenge Trump and play Trump's games.

Speaker 7 (01:16:15):
He might he might he can count Yeah, yeah, but
I don't think it's a let's assume assuming Trump is
not running again. But you're having like a JD vance
to go with somebody he can't run again. But what
I'm saying, but he can't run as vice president technically no, no, no,

(01:16:37):
I get it. But what I'm saying is he in
order for him to stay around, he has to like
what if he just does go as vice versident? Who
who's gonna say no? And you just have the same people.
It's like, well, the facto, hey, you have technically two presidents.
There's nothing in the constitution that says they can't. You

(01:16:58):
can't run as a vice president.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
Get is soiled. This is why it's been terms of matter.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
If the numbers run up Democrats they get six, yes
they can, They're gonna say Republicans will be a lot
more bolder and say, fuck you Trump, We're done because
what are you gonna do else?

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
Who else is gonna run? That's not like a magic candidate?

Speaker 8 (01:17:17):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
On the Republican side, Yeah, so you have Okay, So,
I mean there's a lot of rumors.

Speaker 7 (01:17:22):
But today, if you look at it today, who's a
viable candidate for the Republicans?

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
Marco Rubio. I don't think the old hits.

Speaker 8 (01:17:34):
Him being a front runner.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
Yeah, but JD.

Speaker 7 (01:17:38):
JD is gonna JD is gonna be the.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
Guy, right j D. Rubio. The first two years he's.

Speaker 7 (01:17:43):
Positioning himself to be the guy. He's he's gonna be the.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
Guy people know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
People an't gonna say the Santis. People gonna say the Santis.
But I think he he killed he killed his he
killed his uh his load last year. I think he's
done the Santus. I think he's done, he's done. He
has no shot because he's not charismatic enough to moderate.
Oh sorry, it's not We tryed to experiment and failed miserably.
So no, it's not gonna work this time.

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
There's gonna be a advance events. Yeah, but again the
GP prefractured two.

Speaker 7 (01:18:21):
Also, Yeah, I think, but that's the thing. I I
think jd Vance can remove himself from the whole Epstein
thing and everything else. He's kind of playing it, playing
it pretty well actually, his.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Well point pivoting there slowly not obvious.

Speaker 7 (01:18:42):
Yeah, and he's sometimes like slowly stepping into the bush
doing the home he's doing the whole home symptoms.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Yeah right, you're right, because like at some point the
mint this is what look that the election last month,
not granted was only a few places and a.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
Lot of a lot of blue states, but it's it's
the margins I cared about. Yeah, because because Trump. Okay,
for example, in New Jersey with a governor's race.

Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
Uh uh.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Trump made a.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Lot of games in New Jersey last year in overall election,
and those games he gained, he lost in a year.

Speaker 8 (01:19:13):
I think.

Speaker 7 (01:19:14):
He's gonna have a hard he's gonna have a hard
time getting back the Hispanic vote. I don't know if
that translates over to JD. Vance in the same way.
That'd be interesting that people. But I think that that
that was there one thing that it was kind of like,
you know, I think what Trump sometimes he shoots himself
in the foot, like he can do a little bit

(01:19:37):
less and not make as much noise and like get
what he wants to get done accomplished. It's the stuff
that he doubled down.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
He doubles because Eric he doesn't care a big picture.
He goes on Trump. He doesn't care if Vance loses
the elections or whatever loses. He gets out Trump. That's
why you didn't care about the picture. Party. He gets
the party.

Speaker 8 (01:20:00):
And when he's when yeah he's out of the office,
he don't give a bye.

Speaker 5 (01:20:05):
I don't care.

Speaker 8 (01:20:07):
His family for yeah, you know, in decades to come.

Speaker 7 (01:20:12):
But I think that you're setting yourself up to where
if you let, uh, let's just let's take what's this
guy's in for California, Gavin Newsom in they're gonna they're
probably gonna target his family if he doesn't have a
succession plan in place, his family, businesses, the ties and

(01:20:33):
everything else. I think that you can probably you can
make a fair argument that like you're you're gonna have
kind of democratic retribution so to speak. That's why Trump
is it is invested in what the succession plan is
going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
Maybe is it the point there? I just think that
here's what's hurting Trump oneything else right now? Ten months
in the economy, the thing that always was what's his
blessing for the first four years pre COVID of course,
pre COVID is the economy.

Speaker 8 (01:21:04):
You know Trump?

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
Yeah, Trump Trump, well, of course, right, but with good
Trump credit. He didn't fuck it us, he didn't like it,
didn't tail off immediately took covide, which again it wasn't
his fault, but the way he handled it was it
was a problem. You have a situation where okay, for
four years the economy was his blessing and people say, well,
the comomy, economy, commedy, O. Trump's a bad guy, he
says this, but the economy was good. You know what,
I'll vote for him because of the economy good. Put

(01:21:32):
now you don't have that. The terrif's not working people
if they still a thing, prices that are the same
or worse than other Biden and all my trump pants
are like, oh, well look at this stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
This is going on, This is going on. It doesn't matter.
So why why are the fruit rings low as it is?

Speaker 8 (01:21:49):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
GDP, isn't that? Oh the stock mark is great? Thumb asked.
The starmer was bet on the Biden too. You didn't
care when when was great on Biden. You can't use
the same excuses for for for Trump against Biden and
then things is applied this time around.

Speaker 8 (01:22:04):
No, yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 7 (01:22:06):
I think it's because it's like pockets of the market
or pockets of the economy that are affected. I don't
know if I think that's gonna be their biggest challenge
if it, if it stays that way, it's always don't know.

(01:22:26):
I don't know if yep, I don't know if if
things haven't fallen out from under people, and it's kind
of like, yeah, we're pushing along I don't know if
something has to I think something has to give, like
we fall into a headline recession, just like oh, inflation

(01:22:49):
is is still around and sticky.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
Closer to that, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:22:55):
I agree we're in and closer to it. I'm saying
I don't think that like the last amount of people
that voted the first time around are gonna be swayed
by the economy unless there's like something that really falls out.
That's just my take on it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
What you say the first time, I mean the first
selection with Rump Trump twin sixteen ons or this this.

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
One, this one, well, I think that I think this
is it sits today. We don't know what happens in
the next two years, but I think as it sits today,
he's gonna lose. I think a lot of Hispanic vote
just because he's pissed them off. But I don't think
there's like a huge contingent that's just like, you know, yeah,

(01:23:39):
the you know, the stuff we're seeing on television, unless
there's like something really falls out from under them that
they're gonna say, I'm switching my vote. Maybe some people
stay home, you know, don't I don't know how to
dissect that that that number up. But I don't know
if I see a lot of people today just like Okay, yeah,
I'm gonna my concern. I can totally.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
The centers of of the what of the what impact
would they have on corrupting the process of voting process?
It's to make conspiracy.

Speaker 8 (01:24:18):
But I'm not that.

Speaker 7 (01:24:19):
I'm not that guy.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
But those voting machines, it was some how do they
how do they secure that? How do they secure the
people who's responsible for those boots and regions which are now.

Speaker 8 (01:24:39):
Trump?

Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
Who know you can you can get to that many
voting machines. I still see it as improbable that you
can get to that many voters on the Democratic or
Republican side at this point, if you could do it, m.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
I mean, it's definitely uh.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
I mean, I would have to think about the that,
you know, But I still believe in the the guard
rails still stretched out again.

Speaker 7 (01:25:07):
Which which the guard rails, it's still work.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
There's still working.

Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
They are working.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
The Republicans that have placed people in in in each
area who signs off on these things.

Speaker 7 (01:25:20):
Yeah, but you I mean, I think you see the
guard rails with like Supreme Court and tariffs even though
they sounded up on some other stuff. There's the guardrails
with the district courts.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
There's also assassination is to also because the left will
I mean demand Joni shooting last year and all these
things are happening around that. I think this is the
fear of that if you start really fucking around and
with the stuff, that they fear for the lives.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
I say it. I don't want to say that, but
that has to be a thing in their head like
let's not go too far with this now either.

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
Well maybe that should be talked about anything.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Like that to those exchange, but hey, to say that,
and I don't want to be live in the world
with political lions is the one way to get things done,
because it's disgusting. I think Charlie Kirks certainly did a
lot of I mean march tall Greens. To her credit,
said that that that really changed her all her her
thought process. After him getting murdered, she did say that

(01:26:17):
she did say that that that that that was a privot.
Well get since this whole thing with Trump now right exactly, Yeah,
and she resigned she designed margin Tareen. She resigned result.
But but there's a lot of things that Trump that
hurting right now. The economy is one, Israel another because there's.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
The fissure.

Speaker 8 (01:26:38):
Slept.

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
I think that's gonna get.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
No, that that's that's getting bigger now because it goes
beyond this one side. Now, that's that's the barb partisan thing.
Though there's a lot of Maga who agrees with the
far left on the Israel situation.

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
Yeah, but I think it's one of those things that's
like swept away and they're like, you know what if
if the war's not going on anymore, and then it's
it's one of those things that the less and less
it is in the headlines, it's kind of like they
can distract against it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
I think it's not it's not the war though, Derek,
it's the money was sending to of them in general
it was I agree.

Speaker 7 (01:27:07):
But I think that it's like the headlines can they
can keep on kind of dissipating and it's something that
like when twenty twenty eight comes around, it's like it's
gonna be one of those things because both both parties
do it. Epstein one again, if you don't have well
that that dissipates with Trumbo top of the ticket but
I think that's going to dissipate too.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Yeah, but how many things, there's too many things to
disiplate that just a pole things though big one.

Speaker 7 (01:27:31):
To I lean on the fact still that unless something
slips out from under the economy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Economy to get better, he needs to comom get better
for him to uh for for the ticket to get better.

Speaker 7 (01:27:43):
But you don't need the economy to get better. He
needs the job losses in sectors to not hit hurt
him to Yeah, probably there's something there that that's hurting him.
And I think that that if you have you know,
elevated unemployment going into election season, that's that's the that's

(01:28:08):
the hurt for the incumbent party.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
And if you're a Democrat, you want that to happen
because it helps a case of the win election. I
I time way about that because I don't want people
to hurt to political reasons. But at the same time,
it is a game.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
It is a game.

Speaker 7 (01:28:22):
But also there's not a ton I mean, if you
just take away the terrorists, maybe, but there's not a
ton that they can do. But they can they can
get there, you know, if they can, you know, if
they want to get into power and say they can
do whatever, like that's just going to be the cyclical,
like that's the state of where we are. I don't
know if it's the teary about that. I don't know

(01:28:43):
if the arts are impacting job losses, that'd be an interesting,
like you know thing to see instectors. I think it's
like I've just seen in farming, I think, but like
it hasn't been they I haven't seen any at least
like data like this is why you know companies are

(01:29:04):
laying off with like you know, lower than expected volume
or anything like that. So but I think when when
that occurs, the only thing is like federal workers, that's
going to be the one that's like okay, you have
a lot of people maybe in those like and Yeah
and Doge that are just like, okay, you're probably going
to lose all those votes.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
With's my way, with my way no longer is this anymore?
They quietly went under the rug totally. Yeah we saw that.

Speaker 7 (01:29:29):
Yeah, I saw a headline about it. It's like, you know,
promising a trillion only saved, like I don't know, one
hundred billion or something like that, or it's sixteen billion
something ridiculous, and it's.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Gone, Hey, you got access to some of our security stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:29:42):
You probably had it before, but it's all our information
is out there anyways. It's that's neither here or there
to me in that respect. But I think, you know,
I find it hard unless something slips out from you know,
someone slips the rug and there's there's real issues going

(01:30:04):
into election that like, I think it's going to be
a much closer race than it was because of the issues.

Speaker 8 (01:30:10):
You were talking about close though, because we were.

Speaker 7 (01:30:14):
Well, I mean, the last election.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
Wasn't Harrison, remember it was it was closely realized.

Speaker 8 (01:30:19):
It wasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:30:20):
It wasn't extremely close as a runaway. Well electoral, it
was an Obama eight runaway, but it was a runaway.

Speaker 5 (01:30:28):
She yeah, but she lost Papa by less than two percent.

Speaker 7 (01:30:36):
The popular rote yes, oh yeah, I was. I was
talking about the electoral That's why I.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
Get on the Republicans.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Also, a last line, like you actually know what a
landslide is, like George a three Bush winning ninety eight
to landslide.

Speaker 7 (01:30:49):
In the electoral college, it was a landslide.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
No, it's not because then then Joe Biden's last light too.
Then by that logic, Yeah, in twenty twelve.

Speaker 8 (01:30:56):
But but it wasn't a line flight though in the
electoral college.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Okay, for me, alansa is four hundred next twelve votes.
No one has even touched that since since no, I just.

Speaker 7 (01:31:07):
Think that, Okay, there's a larger disparity. There's there's a
there's a good amount of difference between the numbers there.
That's what I'm saying. There was there was a clear
winner that it wasn't. They couldn't make that up. We don't.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
We don't agree Trump won the vote and all that stuff,
but I.

Speaker 7 (01:31:24):
Think, okay, if you look at take the battleground states,
he won all the battleground states he did. Yeah, okay,
so let's just say those battleground states, and there are
states where a lot of these conflicts are happening, right
or you have the immigration issues, you have the terrorists
that are hitting you know, these certain sectors that could
sway I think in the in the Northeast specifically, and

(01:31:45):
or mid Atlantic. Yeah, that's I mean, I don't think
there's a chance now that they win with like the
amount of federal workers and everybody else that have been Yeah,
if X if X, I don't know, if it's a
game I think it's gonna be a lot closer, and
it's gonna be very interesting to see how they they

(01:32:06):
play that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
If Kama just one Pennsylvania and Michigan, Wisconsin, she wins
the election is just three states she needed to win
in the otill seven she can still lost Arizona still
lost Nevada and Slow the election by by switch Martin.

Speaker 5 (01:32:18):
But they still want those three states election.

Speaker 7 (01:32:21):
But I think those you're gonna see some like some
serious serious assuming there's nothing that just falls out underneath
everybody and it's not mass layoffs and and something like
an impact you know, something of significance happens in the markets.

Speaker 8 (01:32:37):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:32:37):
I think it's gonna be a it's gonna be a
pretty tight race for whoever's coming into the next.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
Like generations type, because of where we are as a
political as a society like now, and and to your
point to also there's no generational pandate coming in here
to to to change anything on either side of yao. Yeah,
so because Trump the last one will se full long time.
You know, there's no Obamas, there's no there's there's no Clintons,
there's no I.

Speaker 7 (01:33:05):
Don't see people going for AOC like I think you're
a lot of it is still.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Because she's still she's too polarizing politically speaking as it
is anyway, like even though she's she's pretty and and
a woman, and definitely there's something there to to to
grab onto her politics for people, even the moderates are
too left to take a risk on.

Speaker 7 (01:33:28):
I don't think they'll take that that that chance to
run that No know what I'm saying, you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
Have Unfortunately you if on the verified the side, you
have to be more closer to the middle to win
elections now once you get to get in power, whatever
it is, what it is, but you gotta be run
to the middle.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Although I say that, but.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
Progressives are starting to a white more that there's a
lot more progressives starting to move more left on on
on on on policy now, like like you know, like
look look at mom, Donnie and Newyor for example, you know,
mm hm beat two legacy guys this this year in
the mayor's race.

Speaker 8 (01:34:09):
What does it matter?

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
But Andrew Cromo is still a massive name in New York,
massive name in New York. You know, former governor, his
dad was a gun.

Speaker 8 (01:34:16):
Former governor, like he was recently attained to.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
So true, but it's still a big name.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
And then he beat uh the Sliwa, who was a
guy who has been well known New York politics and
Republican Party for years and beat both those guys, you know.
So I think there's there's a thirst four, I think
a promise to Also, I think I think we still
don't know what's considered what left claymore because is universal?

(01:34:45):
Is universal health care for left politics for somebody?

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:34:49):
For some know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
A fob health care considered left for all the politics
for some of that's something something something know. So I
think we say these things that we don't actually don't
know what what it really lands on the on the
tear system of what is considered for that foul white
And I think every year we start redefining what that means.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 7 (01:35:10):
And I think, you know, I think healthcare is going
to come into a more of a scope now with
with what's going on, and it's going to be are
we going to be subsidizing it later on because a
lot of people are getting affected by.

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
How's it going well?

Speaker 7 (01:35:24):
Healthcare is like that that's going to come in and
be a major issue.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
The healthcare is a massive deal. As you know, Obamacare
is still pretty popular.

Speaker 7 (01:35:35):
No, well Obamacare, but also with the loss of the subsidies,
I've seen like, you know a lot of people on
the like that have you know, private insurance that like
their premiums and companies premiums are like doubling. Yeah, so
it's going to be like you're going to have your
everyday like inflation that you're dealing with now, but then

(01:35:56):
you're going to see you know, and how bad that's
hitting you know, constituent of you know, whichever you know,
counties or it's going to be Okay, now, my I've
seen my healthcare premiums go up thirty forty to fifty
one hundred, and what does that look like going into
a new election with everyone that was kind of defending everything, right,

(01:36:17):
that's I think that's going to be a that's going
to play a larger issue to whoever's going to say, hey,
we need to you know, probably subsidize these things. Because
you're even seeing Trump talk about it mm hmm with
extending the subsidies for the next year because of what's
going in with the elections, and then what's the name
Mike Johnson is saying, yeah, no, we don't really have
a we don't really want to do that. And it's like, hmm,

(01:36:39):
if Trump is walking back something that he like just put,
they're seeing, you know, they're seeing the effect of it,
and they're afraid of it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Hens the pivoting little by little, like you're saying these
next eleven months, pay attention to the these Republicans who
are big, especially Mike Johnson some election next year.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
By the way, Speaker of the.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
House, so also too, because he's spooting to also because
he needs to secure a seat, and it's woring Trump
may hurt him.

Speaker 7 (01:37:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 8 (01:37:16):
It's a very weak guy. So I don't see him switching.

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
He's an idiot. He's an idiot. He has he has
no he has no.

Speaker 6 (01:37:24):
Ethic hun Southern state suckingucky.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
Right, No, let me see if it is the battle
around state, what state? What state does Mike Johnson represent?

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
Let's see Louisiana. Mm hmm mm hmm. Her part still
win it, but it might be a small margins And yeah, mhm,
because those.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Racists only this this this check the parties are part
of instead of actually looking to the issues. But which
the finals are very, very troubling as well. But that's
the that's another another conversation.

Speaker 8 (01:38:08):
Mm hmmm, did we.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
Clear palette to my guys or what?

Speaker 8 (01:38:12):
Uh huh do we clear today?

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
Did we clear palette today?

Speaker 7 (01:38:16):
I think?

Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
Well, yeah, and any else want to add that if
we get out.

Speaker 8 (01:38:19):
Of here, let's do let's do the next one sooner
than more sooner than.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
What a question? With that question?

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
With that question, no reason why I haven't done on
the Sunday in the while was because I've been working
Sundays lately to today off.

Speaker 8 (01:38:32):
So okay, so let's keep the fire burning man already.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
So all right, Eric, would you go?

Speaker 8 (01:38:41):
Eric is walking?

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
Not anymore? We wea.

Speaker 8 (01:38:50):
Was walking around. He's on the move. He's on the move.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
I'm gonna walk up this first set of games. Have
done the four o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
The four o'clock session is not that great. So well, actually,
that's that's a lie. Buffalo pittsbel playing today.

Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
So I can watch that. WHI I'm walking. That's fine,
al right, guys, that's a good podcast. Yep, all right,
something guys to love you too, all right, love you
mane ok guy, I'll see there

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