Sir Denny Blanco

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Podcasts come recording this on a Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
It's my fourteen twenty and twenty five, of course, with
our guy NBA podcaster concert creator Sir Denny Blanco, who
looks very cold right now up in the You're in Jersey, right.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Up in Jersey. It's a cold cold four inches, but
good four inches of snow. Thank you, so much for
inviting me, inviting me back on. It's sir, Denny Blanco
is the handle, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, the show. It's
in the Game podcast, go Ahead talk.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
So it's it's the Breakdown Blanco.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
You see you see it? There you go, bro.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
I love that intro. I no, there are times I'll
rewind those intros. This is gonna laughout. It's funny as hell.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yo, Thank you listen. If you ever every you definitely
want to have a great intro to keep to keep
people engaged, if you will, because the detention spans are
very very short these days, so you want to be
able to, you know, grab the attention as soon as possible.
So yeah, shout out to Ready J. Cruise. It's in
the Game podcast. Uh you know, we break down basketball

(02:17):
and sports and it's in the Game podcast amongst other things.
And then on the Breakdown with Denny Blanco, it's mostly highlights.
And then from time to time I did my tone
to other things, if you will, depending on how long
I've gotten the information, and uh, it's not I'm not
getting any propaganda if you will when things have settled down.
So thank you for so much for inviting me on

(02:37):
and I'm ready to discuss any and everything.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
Yeah aha, aha, there you go.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
But you so, you know obviously this whole story. You know,
you've been the guy I've been going to on this
show the last couple of years in discussing the entire
did saga. Like, I've had guys on the show and
they have their opinions and stuff, but you've been to
I've gone to and you know, unpacking everything because you

(03:06):
are very familiar with the entire story, not just in
the last couple of years. You've been following this thing
for for close to thirty years. Now, you know you're
a hip hop connoisseur. Obviously, we just we both watched
the Seawan Colmbs Reckoning Uh on Netflix, the documentary that
came out produced by fifty Cent, and it's it's definitely

(03:26):
a lot to unpack there, I I you know, to
be honest, I don't know where to start. Well, So
so here's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Rather than this kind of.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Give some like half half assed, full faceted thing here,
I'm gonna say, let's just go ahead and I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
Give you ask you a quick what are you What
were your thoughts watching this damn thing.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
The thoughts were simple, Yes, you're one hundred percent correct,
Just to just to piggyback of what you said earlier.
I was there at the peak ninety six, ninety seven,
So I'm in, you know, of course, I'll date myself.
I'm in. You know where am i? Ninety yeah, nineties
high school, high school, going into college. So I'm right there. Yeah,

(04:10):
there you go. Yeah. So I'm I'm consuming the music.
I'm consuming the video. I'm consuming the the the lifestyle
which is called hip hop. So I'm watching it real
time and watching it then and then putting it together
with adult eyes. Looking back. There's so many things that

(04:33):
I missed because I was too young to understand. So
when it comes to Shawn Combs, the recording, which I
thought really should have been called Surviving Seawan Colmes, but
believe that for another day. Yeah, it was already taken already,
you know, surviving Surviving Seawan Colmes. The the show put

(04:54):
out all these dots, if you will, Yeah, whether it's
the City College Stampede, to Tupac getting shot in the
studio in New York City, to Tupac getting killed in
Las Vegas, to Biggie getting killed to some of his artists.

(05:14):
These are all dots that have been put out there
over a series of thirty years. This is the first
time that all the dots, whether it's from a podcast,
whether it's from Gene Deal, who was Sean Combs's security,
from like eighty nine on. They took all these podcasts,
all these interviews, conversations with I'm sure you saw a

(05:37):
little season there and that was from a vladd that
was from a Blad interview. So they took all these
interviews and put them together and lined them up really nicely.
And at the end of this four part series you
come up with a conclusion that Sean Combs, Diddy Puff
Daddy Love had a pattern of practice. Yeah, and it's multiple,

(06:04):
excuse me, patterns of practices. Practice number one, I steal
your girl pattern of practice if I want your girl.
Matter of fact of me, back up, If I think
you're better than me when it comes to popularity and
you have a girl, I want your girl, I am

(06:27):
going to have a pattern of practice of having you
join my company and not pay you. Yeah, your man,
Sean Combs not only didn't pay artists their fair shake
if you will, your man didn't even pay the videographer
that was recording him that he was trying to use

(06:48):
that footage, the same footage that you see in this
this documentary right now. He was going to use that
as his comeback story when he got out. He didn't.
He did not pay those videographers US fifty and Netflix.
I had the opportunity to say how much for that footage.
It's not Sean Combs. For those that don't know, as

(07:09):
a cameraman, as a videographer, if I record you, if
I take a picture of you, I own that. I
own it. I can license it out or I can
sell it to you, but I own it. You don't,
which is interesting. Tyler law is work. Unfortunately, if jay
Z was walking down the block right now, I took
a picture of jay Z, doesn't own that picture. I do, right,

(07:32):
So it's ironic that Diddy, Seawn Holmbs, mister Love didn't
pay the videographers for that video. The other videos with
the City College and your other videos and MTV, those.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Are things that you can license from specific public also public.
What this is worth? Fair fair media? What do we
call it?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Fair copyright media? Yeah, fair copyright media. You have the
to get that without a problem exactly, but you have
it to where this series laid down the foundation of
if you ever had a question of is Sean Comb's

(08:18):
a good man? Just ask this if you're pause, if
you're asking yoursel if if there was ever a question,
it's like, oh, we've hauled, We've heard these things over
thirty years. Diddy's the devil, Diddy doesn't do good business.
Diddy is this? Diddy is Dad? You really you had rumors,
you had any windows, you had sayings. You watch this documentary,

(08:41):
how do you end this documentary and say, you know what,
I think Diddy got railroaded. I think Diddy. You know
it's not his He's not accountable for any of these
things that have transpired around him. Every decade from ninety
seven on, someone that's connected to Sean Combs or bad

(09:03):
Boy either dies or leaves.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
Him, or finds Jesus, say again, or finds Jesus.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Or finds Jesus and then passes. So finds Jesus, then passes.
So you you you land the plane a little bit,
because we can go on and on. There's so many.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
Before before the plane the mist question Dunny Blanco Circle,
nineteen sixty seven. What was your perception of Diddy back
then a puppa daddy back then.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean, no, he was. He was the greatest. I
mean he was the greatest. He was making me dance.
He had some of the best music out. You know,
I was familiar with him from uptown and he was
you know, crafted Jodasy and Mary J. Blige, and then
he came out with bad Boy and he comes Biggie
and Mace and it was the It was the Bee's
Knees and bad Boy was everything. Just because people if

(09:59):
people don't understand, people want. But people don't understand is
when it was a time. Okay, let me preface this
and then say this. When I say it was a time,
it's usually when I make fun and I joke with
my wife and I'd be like, the eighties was a
wild time. It was a time where laws were different,

(10:19):
people were different, things were different. No cameras, no cell phones,
so it's a different time. So when you're talking about
the nineties, different times. So there's no social media, so
you're only going to certain places, your beets, your MTV's
to get your full fledged hip hop a culture. And
Diddy was at the time. Sean Combs ran New York

(10:43):
City radio. If you wanted to be a star in
those times, you have to be on the radio. How
powerful was Sean Combs between ninety six ninety seven all
the way until now. Wendy Williams mentioned some things on
the radio at Hot ninety seven, which was one of
the number one music hip hop radio stations in New

(11:08):
York City.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Isn't it still today? It is not okay.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
However, at that time you had to you wanted to
get on Hot ninety seven because that was a rocket ship.
You out of here, hogh ninety seven MTV if you
hit any of those those avenues, you're out of here, right.
Wendy Williams is on the radio H ninety seven said hey,
Seawn comes is It's party participating in some things that
you guys should know. Wendy Williams was fired, had to

(11:38):
go down south to Philly, then had to come back
up north and ended up at WBLS. Folks talking about
how powerful was he even in the documentary, Folks is
like shout out to Bab's bunny from making the band.
She looked right in the camera and said, yes. My
lawyer looked over the stack of contracts he told me,

(12:03):
this is about fame, not money. There's no money involved.
What do you want to do? She signed the contract,
and the answer to that after she signed the contract,
it was bad boy.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's how powerful Sean Combs was in the ninety seven
ninety eight, the golden era for some of hip hop.
So he had his his his hands and he can
make things move, and he could make he could shut
shit down real quick. I don't really quick.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
I don't doubt Diddy's impact as a mogul, as a
businessman in that world top of the line, probably the
greatest okay in hip hop history, basically, especially when he
did considering you know, he was larger possible for Biggie,
for Biggie's ascent to the top. Remember when he got
he learned this some documentary when Andre Herrel fired Puffy.

(13:05):
He said, okay, fine, but I'm thinking with me. Begion
of Time was not a name yet, So it was
Diddy who actually launched Puffy's career. Just being real about that.
It's called fear of fear where I get confused as
a guy who also loves hip hop, not not as
much as probably you obviously a consoleur, but certainly in
nineties I was.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
I was heavily involved, heavily into it.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
I never understood the Diddy outside of the business, of course,
the impact musically, because I never found him remotely talented,
like I never found his moments on songs even interesting,
all the songs he were that he was on, or
the albums he created, a pupped out in the family
and all this stuff.

Speaker 6 (13:49):
I liked those songs.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Because of the other people in it, not because of him,
because of Max, because of Biggie, because of you, name
all the artists, Jo Jodas one twelve, we name it.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
So to me, I've never been a Puffy fan. I've
never liked the guy.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
I'm always at a simple level, and I think I
stayed stee before in the past of the podcast that
I've always found him shady anyway, when he when big
I know, I remember, I wasn't when Bigie died.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
I believe I was in a in a junior high
junior high school. I was in I think in first
grade or the first periode, second period when I found out,
and I'm meressing myself. I don't know why, but for
some reason, I think puppies behind this.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
I can't put my finger on it, but I always
sense that this dude, always wherever he was trouble followed.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
Now I couldn't again, I couldn't attach it too. But
it was just my own seventeen year old thinking at
the time. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Now, as we get you know, into you know, fast
forward now, nearly thirty years later, and all the laundry
list of things that's happened since then, you know, I
am not surprised whatsoever. In fact, I feel more'm I'm
probably more surprised more now because of the fact that
it's deepritting me realize.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
And not only that. To me, the most interesting thing
is this whole documentary for me, like, I never.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Assumed that he was behind a Tupac murder, because let's
be real, Tuck got a lot of enemies, so you
can easily make a coronation of Puffy and Tupac, but
he also make a comination of a lot of enemies
in Tupac as well too, So I never really considered
that angle in a serious way until watching this, until
hearing until hearing Keith d and what he said on record,

(15:36):
Because now Keith dan not a guy who's allegedly charged
a murder, but his trial has not been delayed till
late later next year. And what he said, basically, if
I'm not mistaken verbatim, he said that basically that Puffy's.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
People is one that okayed the murder.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
So my question is not going is this if this
gets out in trial legally speaking, is there a way
to realistically connect the dots to this case to Puffy.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
I have my doubts because you still have to prove
it in court. It's gotta be. There's gotta be.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Evidence hasn't mattered even though we can we may think
this may be the case, but you still need evidence anyway.
But my biggest takeaway is that amongst all the things
we learned in the Cassie case, and and all the
things the City College thing that happened on all the
things we learned, my biggest takeaway is got tupac case. Man,

(16:36):
there's something there and I think it's live again.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, listen, so many so many places is a club. Okay,
So let me let me back up a little bit
for you and then I'll check off the boxes for you.
A lot of people don't know some people with think
it was Biggie Smalls that pretty much, uh was the

(17:02):
runner for you know, bad Boy and bad Boy was
the you know people people don't people that are in
the know forget about Craig Mac.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Yes, another star at the time.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Craig Mac was the one that was getting because Biggie
just had partying bullshit. Biggie was bubbling. Yes, it was
Craig Mac that literally was making Bad Boy. He was
the star of bad Boy first, the first before Biggie.
Craig Mac was the first star. Flavor Years out, flavoran

(17:38):
Year remix comes out, Craig Mac is bubbling and then
you if you watch, you pay. There's an MTV video
Fab five Freddy shout out to Fab five Freddy Chinese
and Hip Hoop was asking Diddy with Biggie and Craig
Mac sitting there. He's asking about Bad Boy information. Previous

(18:02):
to this conversation, Craig Mac has already been told his
album's not coming out by Sean comes. Previous to this conversation.
He gets into the interview, Fab is like Fab five
Freddy saying, hey, listen, Craig Max bubbling on these streets,
when's this album coming out. He said, yeah, you were
you working on that album coming soon? And you see
Craigs Max's face. Yeah, it's got a liar, It's got

(18:30):
a liar. In the documentary, they said Craig Max's wife said, Yo,
this guy asked for money hundred dollars something something up
to a billionaire one hundred are thousand to pay some bills.
I'm broke, I'm Craig Mac. Can you give me some dollars? Now?

(18:51):
I'm good. Craig Mack was invited back out for the
Uh Bad Boy Reunion tour, calling people out ten years
after Can't Stop, Won't stop. Believe it was an apple.
So this is eighteen twenty sixteen, is just just a

(19:14):
couple of years back. He had a bunch of his
bad Boy artists come back. He's calling Craig Mac to come.
He's like, bro, stop effing calling me. I don't f
with you. Click. Oh this is gonna be a big thing.
Click all right. Craig Mac is an example of Shawcomb's

(19:41):
trying to sweep some things under the rug when it
comes to who actually started and pushed his label, which
was Craig Mac. Biggie's funeral, Oh boy, not this one.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
Oh my god, yes, the funeral and him paying for
in him making Biggies estate pay for it.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Kirk Burrows, who everyone suggests it's absolutely co founder bad.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
Boy and Kirk Burrow for the record is yeah, that's
the guy that found out with the puppy. People don't
know that exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Universally universally known as a co founder of Bad Boy.
Kirk Burrows very he was, he was you would say
he was kind of the star of the doc if
you will. He had the most I think a time
on camera.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
I feel like Kirk Burrow's more than anybody in entire documentary.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
It's probably the most foundational personality of the of the
of the documentary. He kind of lays out the land
and the land of what bad Boy was is and
how it operated and accept the stage to what we
will get years later.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Honestly, so I agree with you on that.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Kirk Burrows obviously shared a lot and he was there
and he said yeah, no, Biggie, Uh, Biggie paid for
his own funeral. When I heard that, and a lot
of people had to have caused a pause when they
see what did you just say? Hold on, Biggie and
death have to pay his own because you know that

(21:10):
at the time was the most expensive for New York
City has ever seen. Got the numbers and said, hold on,
how much is it gonna cost? This is gonna be
on biggie. So this goes to show what kind of
man this man is. Now you fast forward to keV
d KEI D allegedly was in the car with Orlando

(21:36):
Anderson and two others when they shot Tupac Shakur and
shoot Knight on a busy l a strip. Now understand something,
this was random, meaning the hit per gene deal per uh.

(22:01):
Keith E D was a conversation with Diddy. Diddy said,
I want these guys getting gotten rid of and and
and people think that there has to be a lot
of uh uh definitive words used in these street talks
for people to understand what needs to be done. All
Sean Colmes has to do is be around certain bloods.

(22:24):
Excuse me, certain crips, believes right, crip crips protecting him,
sug Knight's using the bloods. Okay, I'll use the opposite
function faction the crips. I'll have them as security at
my different spots in La Excuse me when I travel
to California for business and then I'll have a meeting
and then just basically say, yeah, I need to get

(22:45):
rid of these guys. We're going to get rid of
Sugar Sugar Knight and Tupac Shakurt, Okay, no problem. There
was no date, there was no time limit. It was like,
when you do it, you do it. So it just
so happened. At the fight was on in Las Vegas,
Sugar Night, Tupac was there, and Tupac and God blessed.
If Tupac was in a tinted car, maybe Tupac's in

(23:05):
a tented limo, maybe he's not dead. But everything is
surrounding Tupac being out there with the security not having
any guns, with him traveling in that car, and then
sticking his hands out and seeing some girls and talking
to some girls, and then that being the sick that
being the actual moment where Keith d is driving down

(23:27):
the strip, sees Tupac and says, they go, Tupac right there,
turn around, they killed Tupac. There was supposed to be
a million dollar payment to kid the intermitterate what's the
word the middleman. The middleman was von zip who was

(23:52):
a Harlem quote unquote drug entrepreneur, drug dealer in the
streets who will familiar and friends with Shawn comes. The
million dollar check was seen by Gene Dial. He didn't
know what it was for, but he saw it. Zip

(24:13):
does not pass that money off to Kifid.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
He keeps it.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Tupac dies. Now, what's interesting is if you pull back
a little bit at the Tupac shooting in Quad Studios
again talking about places where Sean Combs is at and
all of a sudden someone either get shot killed or
something bad happens to them. Biggie Small's at the time,

(24:42):
which people don't know, owns none of us publishing. What
does that mean he owns none of us publishing. Publishing
is when you get paid when you write a song.
So understand Ready Ready to Die first album. Biggie doesn't

(25:04):
own it at the time, bad Boy owns it. Diddy
owns it. He owns because obviously Biggie signed initially over
some publishing, but had some money issues, so he needed money,
so Diddy he went to Diddy say y'all need some money?
Did he? He was like, oh yeah, sign over some publishing.
I don't need some money. So at the time. Biggie

(25:27):
does not own his publishing, but there needs to be
a Junior Mafia album that needs to be done. Biggie
is writing for everybody, Biggie, Little Kim, everybody in Junior Mafia.
Biggie is writing for everyone. Diddy will get paid. It

(25:49):
found out that Biggie is writing for everyone. So in
this session Biggie and Junior Mafia, Little Sea, he's writing
for writing for them. And Puff Puff come to the studio.
Unbeknounced to Biggie, he does not know Puff is there.
Puff is on then above floor with Andre Herrel and

(26:13):
Jimmy Henchman, who's Jimmy Henchman. Jimmy Henchman at the time
is a manager slash street guy who's in the game,
who manages a couple of artists. Jimmy Henchman earlier in
the day made some phone calls to Tupac, wants to
manage him, talking about getting him some money. Who call

(26:35):
signs this conversation Lance and Rivera, who at the time
was Brooklyn part of Brooklyn, and he was literally he
repeated this on tape to vlat TV. He said, Tupac's
talking crazy to some guy on the phone. Tupac hangs
the phone up, we go, who are you talking to

(26:56):
like that? He said, oh, some guy named Jimmy Henchman.
They said, Jimmy Hinch.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
Do you know what that is?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
What you gonna have to get? Some guns you gonna
have to get He's like, oh, yeah, I'm I'm aware.
So Tupac knew one was knew who he was talking
to was not somebody to mess with. So this night
at Quad Studios, you have Biggie in one studio riding
for Junior Mafia. Then you have Diddy and Henchman and

(27:25):
Andre Herrel. You don't think Jimmy Henchman's told Diddy what
was gonna happen to Tupac, a guy he doesn't like.
You don't think Jimmy Henchman say your Tupac's on his
way over here. He he thinks he's coming to get
some money, but he's actually gonna get robbed. Watch this.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
Got shot right in Quad Studio.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
A lot of people because they they mentioned in the
in the in the documentary, but a lot of people
don't think because you know, it wasn't a deep dive
into they thought it was. A lot of people think
that Diddy set up Tupac.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
No, not that, not that time.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
That was Jimmy Henchman. Jimmy Henchman. Literally, and this is
also too. There's another Desmond Dester Isaac I think his
name is. He basically said he was the one that
was sent to shoot actually rob rob Tupac. Tupac didn't
want to be robbed. They shot him five times, okay,
didn't want to rob shopping five times. So you have

(28:23):
this understanding that Tupac knew Jimmy Henchman shot him. But
people's like, well, he's pointing a bad boy. He's putting
a bad boy, Jimmy Henchman, Andre Herrel and uh Puff.
Tupac took the elevator up Tupac after he shot. He

(28:44):
took the elevator up and the door opens and he
sees Puff, Andre Durell and Jimmy Henchman. He basically said
in his music Tupac, Jimmy Henchman, I know what you did.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
I know it was you. So you have this and
hit him up, right?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I could it could be hit him up. It could be.
It could be in the Macavelli, could be a couple
of places. I just know if you google Jimmy Henchman.
Tupac lyrics plusor of lyrics will come up mentioning Jimmy Henchman.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
As the guy that shot him.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Basically, he's pointing his name out you you sit back.
Even the city college I played for, Leman College, City
College in New York City has a basketball team that
I played against. So when I played at Leman, and
that the first game I had a city college because
the actual stampede happened I think a year before I

(29:44):
joined Leman. So here I am going to City College
for the first started playing the gym, and I'm going
down these steps and I look at these doors and
I'm seeing these doors. These doors don't open out. They
opened in right. So I said, oh, okay, now I

(30:05):
understand what happened that day because you really they described
it and then they showed it on the on the documentary.
When you're again, how big is hip hop? People want
to know how biggest hip hop? Back in the day.
People want to know it was a hip hop basketball game.
Only three hundred two hundred tickets were supposed to be sold,

(30:25):
five thousand, six thousand tickets he oversold. Yeah, didn't have
enough security. They bum rushed the door. The doors. Everyone's thinking, oh, well,
we'll just keep pushing because the doors will go out. Instead,
they keep pushing and the doors don't go out. They come.

(30:47):
They to open the door. You have to open it
from the inside. You have nine people die. Yeah, whatever happened,
I don't know if there was a payment. So forth
he does and get in trouble. Fast forward to Sean
getting shot. Shan Shine shooting in the club with j
low Sewn Colmes does not go to jail. They put

(31:08):
that in the documentary too. Sean comes does not going
to jail in that clip because I know in that
clip Sean is being interviewed right after he's found innocent.
They asked him about Shine. He says nothing.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
By the way, so Jimmy Henchman also his real name
is James Roseman.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Uh. He is currently incarcerated for drug trafficking, of professional
justice this thing, and using firearms, conspiracy, commit.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Murder for life.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
He said, he's in prison for life. I'm trying to
figureut where exactly he was for what. Nothing, nothing attached
to obviously to the ending with Diddy, of course, nothing.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Nothing. They got him on a drug conspiracy. He was
pushing weight and he's seas in jail for life, and
he obviously issues with TUPAC issues a.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
Fifty do with G Unit affiliate low Lodi Mack.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, so you know obviously you know the story
with two obviously excuse me. Tony yo m G unit
affiliate right, slapped Jimmy Henston's son when he saw him.
Then Jimmy Henschman decided to shoot up Tony Yao's grandma's house.

(32:26):
Then Jimmy Henshman allegedly had Lodi Mack killed.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Yeah, a lot of bad people, a lot of bad people.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
It just so happens that in the nineties and two thousands,
you know again, people with money drug dealers are able
to get into the game and become owners of owners
of a labels and and yes, bad boy started off
with drug dealer money. People think like, oh is it no, No,
it started off with drug dealer money. And then he

(32:57):
got a loan to push it further. But it started
off with drug dealer money. You have Sean calms avoiding jail,
but then shine you in ten years you have a
witness get shot in the face. Tell everyone Sean comes

(33:18):
shot me. Everybody's like forget about that. That's that's not important.
An eyewitness who's alive telling you who shot them. When
in the history of criminality does a witness get shot,
take the stand, say that Sean called, say that the

(33:41):
person the perpetrator shot them, and the perpetrator gets off.
When does it happen?

Speaker 7 (33:50):
Never?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Never in life. So you have all these things happening.
You have Kurt Burrows also saying that they drove, They
paid for people to drive cross country to LA. Why
not fly? Well, it's easy to carry guns and cars.
Then then guns in the plane. Right. So Kirk Burrows

(34:12):
being having the the adult eyes now saying I think
Sean Combs has something to do with Biggie's murder?

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Or yes, are you the opinion that Okay, those two
part questions are the opinion that Puffy has something to
do with Tupac's murder? Yes, are you an opinion that
he has to do with the biggest Yes?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
And the reason why I say to the reason why
I say yes to both of those things is because
number one sug Knight saying something very peculiar on his
part one of his podcasts saying, if you saw one murder,
you sawve the other.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
Why would he say that, d say in jail because
he've been doing interviews in jail recently.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
Yes, I know, I know. Patrickmc david actually had him
on this podcast I think last year.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, I've watched. I watched that one. I didn't watch
my need to watch it now especially, I watched that one.
I watched the most recent, most too recent, the Patrick
Bette David and the one with Breakbeat. Okay, those two
very very interesting phrasing statements, one of them saying saw

(35:23):
one crime, he saw the other. Why would he say that?
Meaning also too shout out to the l A p. D.
Your hands are all over this and you're avoiding it.
You're avoiding it because you'd be found liable. Your hands
all over this because you had former LA police officers

(35:43):
working security detail for death Row. So when you so
going back to the point with Seawan Combs, Yes, Ked
mentioning Sean Combs, Why Little C's mentioning Yeah, I know Ked. Okay.
So it's not like Ked is lying. He's talking about places.

(36:04):
He's talking about times. Okay, Ked talking about places and times.
Then you have also two with Tupac. It lines up.
It lines up beautifully too, it's called if I'm on
the side. So for example, if I'm on death row
and I'm security and I want Tupac to die, the

(36:30):
easiest thing I can do is pull a security, so
he's left without security. A lot of people don't know this.
The week before Tupac died, the week he fired a
security head of security, Reggie Wright, and he fired his

(36:52):
lawyer Kenner fed both. Now people would say, well, what
what what would these two benefit if Tupac died? Well,
Kenner number one, he signed the contract and he was
also involved with death Row, so that's money's that he's
gonna be involved in with Tupac, And how he signed
his contract and how obviously Tupac hat like maybe a

(37:12):
five six album deal and he was like four or
five albums in already because of his penmanship. So he
was like, well, he's going to already be out of
his contract. We're not gonna make any money off of
him anymore. Motive number one. Then you asked for Reggie
Wright Junior. If sug Knight's already in jail at this
moment in time for the assault in the Las Vegas,

(37:32):
who's running death Row, Well, Reggie Wright would be running
death Row with sug Knights X, who was about to
take over death Row. So if I'm Reggie Wright and
I'm involved with his Tupac security, pull the security and
let Tupac and let Tupac survive, what's what? Which is

(37:54):
what survived? Which is everyone knows was a hit on
his head, money on his head. Fast forward to Biggie
dereliction of duty. So September ninety six, September ninth, eighth,
Tupac dis Yeah, you guys have been going back and

(38:14):
forth for months, back and forth, back and forth. I
hate you, you hate me. Whether you did, it's like,
oh well, bad boy was quiet on it in two
populars whatever case they be, y'all going back and forth.
People were dying behind the scenes, back and forth, Sean Combs.
You decide that you need to go to LA for business.

(38:35):
Six months later in March, everyone's saying, no, bad idea.
You're not gonna be protected. It's just not good. Jean
deal Sean Combs security for the weekend. You can google
his name, you can google on YouTube. He breaks down

(38:56):
that whole weekend, he says told him, which is a
prime surprise that he was on this documentary. Kurt Burrows
told David a Gene Deal Biggie's not going anywhere but
the studio and to the house. That is it. He's
not hanging out, He's not going anywhere cool And also

(39:18):
to Biggie broke his leg so it wasn't really mobile
like that. But when he was out in La Gene
Deal was taking and this is not just job Biggie,
this is puffy too, Like he's not gonna go anywhere.
Studi's working on this album. He's going from the album,
the studio to home. Dinny's running around everywhere and everywhere.

(39:41):
Gene Deal is saying, it's just heat. It's just hot.
People are just going just looking looking really upset, like
we're like, we're there. He talks about a time.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
Jean Deals gen Deal is the is the security guard.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Right security guard for Sean Thalms.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
He wasn't. He wasn't on this dock and he he
was not.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
However, he was on the Peacock doc though there you
go right now.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
He was on.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
He's been on. He's been talking for over a decade.
He's been talking for over a decade about what he
saw that day. He's been talking for a decade. But
what he saw that day, and his story hasn't changed
in years. Yeah, years, He's gone to different different podcasts.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
Because it's one thing that Gene Deal said on the actually,
but to be honest, you to your point. Gene Deal stories.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Are actually the best part of the Peacock Didty documentary
because there's one story about how like supposedly did he
had and his mom got into it and he told
us something to his mom, and the Gene Deal told
told didd he apolozy mother, you don't do that ship
ever respect and he made any he apologize his mom
mob was by the way, I feel like his mom

(41:02):
knows more.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Ship than I realized. Absolutely, I think.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
I think his mom is I'm not gonna go forward
say she's involved in all the stuff, but she knows
where some where somebody is buried.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Absolutely when when again, there are questions that Seawn Combs
can't answer on camera and he yo for for those
that are in the know. I have so many questions
that I could just off top throw out there where
he won't be able to answer because it'll be crazy.
Why Shawn Combs, why did you lie and tell Valletta

(41:37):
Wallace that you didn't know who Gene Deal was. Why
it doesn't make any sense because you know who Gene
Deal is. Pictures with you.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Yeah, he worked with.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
He's in pictures with you the nights you and Biggie
are at the sold Trainer was white before he dies.
There's a picture of him right there. Okay, you have
Gene Deal literally saying we have multiple signs that someone
was going to come after us multiple So whether they

(42:16):
were to come after Diddy Biggie both doesn't matter. The
concept is that did he know? Maybe not for Biggie anyway,
maybe not, but it's called dereliction of duty where you
should be protecting your main star. You should have had
him surrounded by fifty people. Gene Deal also goes on

(42:39):
to say that his main his Ditty's main bodyguard stay
back in the Bronx Wolf.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
Does Gene does Gene Deal? And I'm not saying this
is fact or not, but does he have an action
grind George Diddy?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Again, there's there's no money. Os, there's no there's no money. Ohs,
there's no album, there's no Gene Deal is just a
guy that's saying, hey, I've seen some shit. This is
what happened. I never liked the guy. And once again,
if you think about take a minute to think about

(43:15):
ramifications and who's allowed to say what and why? Right,
Sean Combs can't quiet Gene Deal. Why because Gene Deal
knows guys that protected Shawn Colmes.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Right, So what you're saying that gen deal could be
a smoking gun Gene Deal.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Again, he's the one that's telling connecting the dots of
what's going on in the background. Mind you take a
minute to think about all the people that actually either
got away from Diddy or said no to Diddy. It's
only a handful Gene Deal when I say got away
from Diddy, and it's literally saying things about Seawn Colmes

(43:56):
not caring about what happens to them because they in
a particular position. Think about the positions that they're in.
Gene deal. Basically, O g knows every all the og
surrounded Diddy, so Diddy can do nothing with him. Mace,
Mace left, didn't come back, didn't sign anything, No, NDA's

(44:22):
no nothing. He talks about Diddy and he's comfortable talking
about Diddy. Then you have then you have Cassie's husband.
Your man literally has verbalized saying things about Diddy. And
literally said if you want.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Some, come get some.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And I said, well, why why is he not going
after him? Clearly, this guy knows how to handle himself.
This guy is a trainer, he knows certain things. So
it's clear that there's no pushback to him. So when
it comes to Diddy, you you best or or in
my last point in that fifty cents right, the hip

(45:08):
hop community has a strange way of holding ourselves accountable.
They're asking why fifty would.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
Do this as also what is it like? I kind
of know, but tell the folks here exactly why what
fifty do this in the first place.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Whether whether he has an asked to grind or not. So,
whether it's the fact that did he try to take
him shopping, whether it's the fact that Diddy to him
fifty cent has always been weird though, the fact that
Diddy took fifty cents baby's mother and is literally at

(45:46):
this moment in time, in the present day, paying her rent. Yes,
fifty has an asked to grind. Can two things can
be Can two things be true?

Speaker 5 (45:57):
I mean I said saying if he's a great guy
either for the record, can two things be true?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Correct? Fifty has an axe to grind, and Diddy has
multiple things that we can create a documentary on. And
and it's funny too because fifty was on Gold Good
Morning America. Yeah, talking to Robin Roberts, and he's like, yeah,
you know, the pattern of practice for Diddy is he'll

(46:24):
steal your girl. He mentions Sarah Chapman, who used to
date Tupac. He has a baby with Sarah Chapman. He
mentions that, but clearly doesn't mention his own mother of
his child. Being one of Ditty's go to's when it

(46:46):
comes to these freak offs. EJ. How much is your
soul worth? And I don't ask this facetiously. I asked
this seriously. I ask my brother all the time, like,
good sir. There are things that happen in the world.

(47:07):
People do things, people accept things. Those people have a
ligne a limit, right, So when I ask people, you know,
I'm like, well, how much is your sold work? These
people are allowing sexual deviance to be their their job,

(47:32):
if you will, it's their job, and they're comfortable being
shared with other men for a certain amount of money.
How much is that money worth for your soul? Two million,
ten million? How much? Then you have to ask yourself

(47:53):
for the conversation of oh, well that people are saying,
well there, and I'll quote these folks. These people are saying,
oh these these men, these men or people women whoever
allowed him to do that. They're suckers too. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they're suckers. But you have to understand if the victim

(48:18):
has fear. If I'm if I'm an accountant for Sean
Combs and I see a Cassie getting beat up, or
if I'm a manager, whatever the case may be, and
I see Cassie beat up, and I want to have
a career in this business, what do I do?

Speaker 6 (48:37):
EJ.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Some would say you quit. Yeah, you know, my morals,
ethics and values a little higher than his job. I'm
a quit. I applaud you. I apploored anyone that has
any morals, ethics and values that could do or make
those types of decisions when it comes to them and
their families. I'm not going to sit here tell you

(49:00):
that's the easiest thing. You know what I compare it to.
I compare it to that loan, that loan Mexican man
on that toll bridge, one Mexican man in that toll bridge.
Here comes a drug dealer with five million pounds of cocaine,
and he gets to that toll and tells that Mexican man, Hey,

(49:24):
how much you make a day? Matter of fact, stop it?
How much you make a month? I make one hundred dollars,
make a hundred dollars a month. I'll give you two
million to look away. Are we expecting that Mexican man
to say no to that offer? No?

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Mostly no.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Put ten people in a room pose that question. I
think over fifty percent sixty percent would say I'm taking
that offer. So when I look at these securities.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
Say they wouldn't blame Some say wouldn't blame them either.
Some would say some would exactly based on his lifestyle?

Speaker 6 (50:10):
Is a right go ahead?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Exactly? So when you look at these people that are
in pr working for Diddy, people that are security working
for Ditty, asking well, why didn't they lead it's bad boy,
it's Ditty.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Well that a plans to Cassie, especially because she's thet
the whole thing too.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Also, they were together eight years. This kind of thing.
I mean, am I wrong for saying to myself that
two things we be right here?

Speaker 5 (50:38):
As you said before that, Yes, Cassie was absolutely victim,
but also Cassie is also not completely is either.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yes, yes, so I some some folks will call it, uh,
what is it, uh? Participant victim participant.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
I've never heard it before. Actually victim. I never bore
it was a victim.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
But part participating, you know, so two things can't be
true in that aspect. And then also to understand she
met Sean Combs at nineteen, Yeah, just groomed nineteen. I
don't know about you, EJ, but there are people that

(51:25):
are weird. There are people that, for example, wouldn't want
to buy a brand new sneaker, for example, they want
maybe a used sneaker. So I say that to say,
Eric Sermon, I gotta have mesa kim Porter who was
attached to Russell Simmons Andie here, I'll be sure. I

(51:48):
have to have kim Porter j Loo. I gotta have
jay Loo. And that's probably the only girl that wasn't
attached to another man. J Loo was one that got away,
and she was able to get away because she was
able to staying on all two feet. She was j
Loo at the time. It wasn't like she was she
was Cassie looking for footing in the industry. On the

(52:10):
on the sixth, she's she's out of here with with
TV and music, so she's able to get away. Then
here comes Sharon Chapman, Here comes there you go, here
comes Well, that's a different salary. But then yeah, that's
the salary for making the band. But there was conversations

(52:30):
about that. But the Sarah Chapman who was connected to Tupac,
she comes into vault, she comes into play. Then you
have Cassie, then you have fifty cents baby mom. All
of these things going on. People in that time span decided, Hey,
the abuse is the abuse. I can handle it for

(52:52):
only so much. And are we to sit here and
say that Sean Combe wasn't abusive to every woman in
his life. Are we gonna sit here and assume that
Mesa Kimporter can Mesa hot quote unquote hiding under cars

(53:13):
kim Porter quote unquote nose broke? Are we assume that
this guy is not violent towards women? Interesting enough? Too?
Then you got the kid cutting situation with the car.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
Yes, that's development, So that come out of no where,
the kid cutting situation.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
You know, also too, there's a there's a there's an
executive that committed suicide. Excuse me, there's a decreative that
committed deletion. If you will self deletion, Secure Stewart. You're
probably asking why why are you bringing up this guy?
He's the executive Secure Stewart. Why is it he was

(53:51):
just so happened to be dating kim Porter at the time.
All of a sudden you're dating kim Porter and and
you end up dead. Hm hm, that's interesting. Kim Porter
is supposed to drop an our album, drop a book,
supposed to drop a book. Supposedly she ends.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Up after this is after well, I think you got
the course right.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
She's supposed to comport ups to drop a book, you
end up dead. It's just interesting. E J e J.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
Who was the guy?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Did he brought to kick Cutty's house to remove all
footage from him being there? Kick Cutty had a security
system in house out house, right, no security footage? Do
you do you? Uh? Do you?

Speaker 5 (54:50):
This is this is based on the story from her assistant.
His name again, right, Capricorn, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
He footage just disappears, just gone. Right.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
You have to another main guy and can cut another
main guy too old.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
So at this point you have to understand man, This guy,
Sean Colmes has a history of doing people dirty, a
history of whether it's business in real life. He got
off very very light, in my opinion, and for me,
there is no coming back from this. If I was

(55:30):
his PR, there would be an attempt. I can attempt
to spend this very easily. You want to let's let's
let's let's play. Let's play a game. I'm Diddy's PR,
and here I am. He's out of jail. Diddy would
love to come to your shows to talk to you
about how how how much of a drug how much

(55:51):
of an addict he was, because they mentioned in the
in the in the documentary hurt his hand somehow, whether
he heard his hand fighting kim Porter, whether he split
his wrist, whatever the case, maybe he hurt his hand
and that's where some drug use started. Painkillers.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
Should I be surprised by the way that they didn't
dive more into the Comporter story with her passing. They
never touched it.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Actually they broad stroke broad stroke. But again, these are
dots that are all being connected very so you said.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
On the text that the thing you're love to talk
any more thing else that it cut to so many
dots that.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
We we hear this story and this story, this story,
this story, but this thing kind of brought everything together.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
They asked, how does a guy get shot with sugar
in Atlanta with Shawn Combs there, And everybody said it
was Sean Comes and did it? And then yeah on
video Mark Curry said, no, it wasn't Sean Combs. There
was a guy who shot Jake Shoog knights Man. Because
you know what's funny to Eja majority of these times,

(56:58):
from every time I read the stories, the issue is
over a woman. The issue is over a woman.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
With Cassie, whether it's a comporter, whether it's yeah, yeah,
she's mine.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I know she doesn't look like she's mine, but she's mine.
I know I don't treat her like she's mine, but
she's mine. To stay away from her, no, I'm not
staying away from her. Okay, now we have promise. Even
though this is crazy, right, think about this. I'm Sean Combs.
I take other women's I take other women from men,
but you can't touch my woman.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
Right. Well, it's a whole like I'm God. He thinks
he's God, he thinks he's untouchable.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
You know what also is interesting when fifty cent on
Goodman in America said something that was very interesting. He said,
why didn't he go why did he claim bankruptcy?

Speaker 6 (57:59):
Who did?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
He? Very good question, he said, he's very very good question.
And he wasn't prompted. He was talking about something else,
but then he just brought it up, like, yeah, you know,
why don't you just why didn't you just go bankrupt
protect himself? He said, because I'm not paying? He said,
I'm not paying. He said, that goes to the ego.

(58:23):
Right now, Shawn Combs has over seventy lawsuits. Seventy Is
he gonna pay all of them off? Who knows? Maybe
he has enough money.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
You know how many lawyers he had for this last trial,
but six or seven? Seven, like Ojay shit Man, like
the dream team.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Government, The government had no The government had no hope.
This guy had the dream team of his seven Avenger seven.
And he's talking to them too on the he's talking
to them too on the on the on the dock.
He's like, yo, you guys, I need you to get
somebody in social media's to start talking about you know.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
What I mean, let's and his thing, you say, his
his career, his life is pretty much done. We say that,
and I agree with you, and certainly on a mainstream level,
I do agree. But at the same time, there are
people out there who do still, especially in the world
now where there's a lot of like people who are

(59:25):
into the you know, the far left, far right, you know,
not political. I'm just saying this to like a conspiracy
theories and whatnot, that there will there will be people
who do well'll say, well, this guy was, whether he's
black or whether he's this, he's been wronged. There will
be a base out there that will look at Diddy
as being wronged and it's all bullshit.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
Not a big base that, but it's still a base.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Listen again, Diddy was an addict. Diddy was on drugs.
He wasn't himself for years. This is what the defense.
This is what literally could be said, and it wouldn't
be far fetched. You can easily say that, Yeah, he

(01:00:11):
was addicted to multiple of drugs, cocaine, kenemine, all the above.
He was addicted. There was not one day he wasn't
high on alcohol in his later years one hundred percent,
and that led to a domestic violent situation with a
ten yure relationship with Cassie. You can't say not you EJ.

(01:00:34):
But general public can't say you've never heard of a
domestic violence situation before. You've never heard of men and
women fighting each other. You never heard of men and women.
A man beating up his wife, his girlfriend, and the
girl going back and then forgiving him, then doing the
cycle all over again. We've heard of this before, right,

(01:00:54):
Just so happens that Sean Combs is on camera. Okay,
and let's be clear, if Shawn Combs never left New
York City and all these prostitutes were based in New
York City.

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
He's not in jail, right because the law is right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
If he just stayed in the sea, traveling the Turks
and Kkos La, Paris, London, he's flying people in. You
can't fly literally, the laws stated, you can't you get
traffic in. They literally said, you can't traffic in your
party favors. You can only get them from uh locally, domestically. So,

(01:01:41):
in essence, Seawan Combs could have literally just stayed home
in New York made sure there was a New York
native that came to him and and and did and
didn't do business. That's what basically the law is saying like, oh,
he trafficked them across lines, so if he doesn't traffic them,

(01:02:02):
he's fine. Oh okay, so somebody who's a Diddy defender
can easily be like he was on drugs. And let's
be clear that the domestic violence is Yeah, yeah, you're right,
it's past statute of limitations in California because he paid
for a take to disappear. You're right, So yes, did

(01:02:24):
he can come back and literally say, come back on
a groveling tour? People love second, third, fifth chances? Does
he deserve one? I don't know. That's not for me
to call. Would I get Would I give him one? No,
He's had multiple chances to prove to us who he

(01:02:44):
really truly is.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
I've been on the point that since nine ninety seven,
so you ain't on my answer to the question. I
never liked the guy.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
In fact, I remember watching Making the Band and the
Whole Cheesecakes, seeing him go to Brooklyn.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
I found that ship disgusting my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Do you know who made do you know who made
Shawn Combs, Wolf of Cheesecake? So heavy D? Heavy D?
Are you heavy D? For those that don't know it's
a star in Uptown yep, one of one of the
one of the one of the pioneers of hip hop.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
Love will love Heavy D Love Heavy D and malt.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Vernon's own Heavy D and Diddy was his intern. And
he you know, obviously he's holding Heavyd's holding down uptown.
So he made Diddy run around, watch this, do this,
do that, and yeah, go give me some cheesecake.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
But eight miles.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
It was his errand oh it wasn't anything like it
to be shipped.

Speaker 6 (01:03:48):
But exactly they went to No, but supposed they be.
They went to Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
That tells you everything you need to know when it
comes to what Shawn Cone's experience and what he's gonna
put on everybody else. Right, Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I
just went to a local store to get some cheesecake.
I'm gonna have you walk in a cold to get cheesecake.

Speaker 6 (01:04:12):
Pole But no, him doing it an intern? Have you
did even make him do that back in ninety one? Whatever,
that's that's expected.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
You're an intern'sed to it is and even then, and
even then, the concept was it's bad boy. Yep, it's
it's it's it's bad boy, it's it's Diddy, it's you said.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Earlier, what do you want? What are you willing to
sell your soul?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
For the souls the persons the important part because you
can sell your soul then wake up and realize you
sold your soul then won it back. Yeah, that's what
a lot of people have realized with Diddy. I sold
my soul to the devil. I want it back. May said,
I want it back. Locke said, I want it back.

(01:04:58):
I want it back. I don't want anything to do
with bad Boy. You've gotten, You've You've got what you've got.
Now it's time to move forward.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
And is there anything in this dock that they didn't
touch on that you wish they did? Or do you
feel like everything based on what you know was at least.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Addressed well enough time? So when it comes to time,
because you never know it may be a part two.
You never know there may be a part two.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
So when it what else can a part two?

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Though?

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
What else can you put in there but that hasn't
been touched on? I mean, Comporter maybe is one part.
Maybe you get some maybe you get the Tupac stuff,
but PVD maybe I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
You put there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
The Shawn Combs carcass right, the Shawn Combs, carcass can
be fed on for generations. Okay, whether you want to
talk about strictly the Qunie incident, that could be three hours.
You want to talk about the kim Porter scenario that

(01:06:10):
could be three hours. You want to do a deep
dive on Biggie that could be three hours. When you say, oh, well,
what else? What else can you can you do? Well,
you can ask other questions that nobody's asking, like why
is the l Why does the l A p D?
Why is the FBI saying the l a p D
has something to do with Biggie's murder?

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
If I want to, if Cash would tell, isn't the
the Trump administration, the Trump led administrating FBI is?

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
And you know, push, I don't know. I'm just curious, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Why? And mind you, these are things that I'm not creating.
You can ask, I'm saying, ask co pilot, you can
google it. M B. I. Carson Carson is agent Agent
Carson literally on audio said the LAPD had something to
do with Biggie's murder. They were hiding evidence connecting Raphael Perez,

(01:07:12):
who was an LAPD officer who ended up being who
ended up being a bank Robber two death row with pictures.
Why would the LAPD hide those pictures? Right? So these
are things. When you say, what else can be pulled
off of Sean Combs's dead carcass? Multiple of things, and

(01:07:35):
you'd be surprised, EJ. How what people remember when they
get a check?

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
So you know what I do remember that night where
you you know, I never said it, but you know
I'm saying it now. Yeah, yeah, you got a bag.
And now it's time that to say what we all
know or say what connected dots to this particular thing.
So some people don't know how imported imported diet.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
I'm surprised no one's ever just just you said, you
said carcass, and I'm gonna just mention that because I'm
surprised no one ever said this. Is this a possibility
that did he either not to get a little gruesome here,
either off himself the one or two.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
Someone kills him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
No, neither. When you have an ego, I don't even
know what you know, me and my wife have this,
you know, go back and forth. We'll talk about ego,
A man's ego, Yeah, of course, go back and forth.
And I compare it to forty five if you will.

(01:08:50):
Forty five and forty seven, I don't say his name.
If you don't know who forty five and forty seven is,
just google forty five or forty seven and its picture.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
It's the penergy Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Forty five and forty seven. Never apologizes even when he's wrong. Yeah, ego,
we don't say sorry over here for what you do.
Remember Sean Combs literally having the words Cassie got beat
up by Sean Combs, had a PR team come out

(01:09:24):
and say this is a lie, this is not true,
this is not and then video drops and then he's
on camera saying I'm disgusted with myself, not I'm sorry
for beating up my girlfriend. Hello, Ego, Ego, Ego. Instead

(01:09:45):
of saying I'm sorry for beating up my girlfriend, Cassie.
You did not deserve this, he said, I'm disgusted with myself.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
I did a podcast on that that same week, ripping
them for that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Who's that?

Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
I did the podcast that say for that ship for what?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I laughed When when when? When he said when the
When the the PR team came out, I was like,
this is this is not true? I laughed. I laughed,
I said, I said, there better not be a tape.
I said, they're better not be a tape and long
and behold tip drops. And I'm just like, all right,

(01:10:29):
lawsuit comes after. I'm like, all right, what do Yeah,
you're gonna just say that that's artificial intelligence.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
Show.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
You and your towel running down the hallway, artificial intelligence.
And then again, how much is your soul worth? M
H E J. I work at the hotel. I see
a woman who's been battered. What do I do? I
called my manager, not nine one one? I called my manager,

(01:10:59):
and what does my manager do? Comes in and says,
keep this on the low, and that my friend one
hundred thousand dollars. Ask how much their soul was worth
one hundred thousand dollars. They clearly didn't know who did
he was. They didn't know because if they knew, that
take would be a million plus if they knew. So.

(01:11:24):
The carcass of Seawan Combs can be picked at for
long periods of time. You think this trial coming up
with KEFD, Hello, the story is not over. Sean Comb's
name may come up again. It doesn't seem like they
giving KFD a plea deal.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
I wonder I'm thinking, if he's being protected, list she
could because he could be the one that blows up
this whole fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Also too, when it comes to the law and the government,
people talk about laws. It's funny when I hear about laws.
You say, this is a law. But if the government
breaks his own law, what is that? I say that
because every time I'm being told this is law, the

(01:12:17):
government circumsvents the law and says, oh, no, no, no,
that's no, we can circumvent that. Meaning if ke f
d was speaking of greg cating under a profer agreement,
Profer means king for the day, meaning and in the

(01:12:39):
justice system terms, the government can come to you and say,
you need to tell us every crime that you did.
If you lie. There was a plea deal. It was
the plea deal. That's why he actually got out of jail.
He was going to jail. He was going to jail

(01:12:59):
for drugs for a period of time. They say, we
don't want to give you life. We'll give you a
plea deal, but you have to tell us everything. So
he's like, all right, I'm going to jail for drugs.
All right, Well, you know we were involved in the
TUPAC shooting. He's supposed to have immunity.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
We doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
My question would be, how does he not have immunity
in the profit agreement, but then you're charging him for
something that was said in the profit agreement. That is
what I get confused about when it comes to laws
and everything. So when it comes down to this trial,
I'll be paying attention. I'll be watching. I'll be looking

(01:13:42):
to see what happens. But I need to understand why
that profit agreement wasn't wasn't agreed upon when it comes
to his immunity. So that's going to be interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
He was going to bail actually hold, he's going to
be a house arrests. Wait, wait, he's he's still wait no, no, no, no,
jail contrated.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Still get still in jail. He's jail to his track.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
Right, Yeah, he was met real house rasks, but remain incarcerated. Okay,
I'm trying to find out anything in terms of the
proper here. I don't see anything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, he he had to profit originally because it was
a drug It was a drug drug charge from what
Craig Gating's Craig Cating said, which I don't I don't trust.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
But the truck got pushed the track. I pushed him
later next year. Right, it was supposed to start in
February of twenty twenty six. They got moved to later
next later next year.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Right, they got moved because the government is planning. The
government is his planning.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
It's so ridiculous, like they could like and the optics
alone tells you the de documentary and all this ship,
and now they're gonna move it. That's conveniently now, like
and they then we give a fuck, like, Okay, well
we know it looks bad, but we're the government, so
fuck you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
You know, I mean, I kind of, I mean, it
makes no sense, so too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
You move it. You move it down too, because you
can easily take this information that's in his dock and
put it into the trial.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
Yeah, that's part two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
You could easily take which which they're doing, which they're
doing now in the justice system, taking your music, lyrics,
taking your videos on Instagram, on YouTube and putting it
in your trial and saying, look, this is what this
is what's been going on. This was a show on
Netflix talking about the Tupac murder. And here is X

(01:15:33):
talking about it, or his Black TV his ex talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
It has did he has did?

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
He? Uh uh?

Speaker 6 (01:15:41):
Has ay sued?

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Has did? He tried to sue Netflix.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
I'm sure going to, but I don't say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
I haven't. He will not because there's nothing to sue.
He won't. I'm sure his lawyers.

Speaker 6 (01:16:01):
Trying to find.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
They're gonna you know, you're the professionals. He's talking telling them,
you're the professionals when it comes to this. Okay, you
have no leg to stand on. You didn't pay the
videographer that owns the footage. It's gone, you don't own it.
Fucked up. Wait and then also to the concept of
Diddy not paying somebody for services. Is that new?

Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
Come on, that's not new.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
That's the guy that was initially the guy that was
initially thought of, the guy that killed Anderson.

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
He I just realized he got he got murdered two
years later.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
No he didn't. Yeah, he got murdered two years later.
He wasn't. It was a totally different, separate incident, and
he wasn't. He he was. He just don't having to
get beat up that day.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
He's related to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Ye, Yes, his cousin from a nephew, nephew I think
his nephew.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
Yeah, uncle right, uncle right, nephew uncle.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Yeah. So everybody in that car, you see, I'm not
everybody in that car. Everybody in that car that was
that everybody in that car that was allegedly there that
the murder and murder happened is dead except KVD. The
three other guys are dead. There's four guys in the
car including KVD. KVD is only one so alive.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
So you know what, you know, you know what's bad
when in this documentary sug Knight is the good guy
comes off or comes off as a good guy anyway,
then fucking diddy you you you know no, because.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
It's advantage point. I'm ninety in ninety seven, ninety eight,
I'm in college, I'm in high school. I see this
big brute Red and Red come on stage talking about if.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
You're tired of guys being in the video, get the
videos and d in the videos.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
This death bro. I said, come on, come on, we
don't need that, we don't need that. I'm sitting there like, yo,
why are you bullying us? Come on while you I'm
sitting there watching these things happen, and I'm just like,
hold on, hold on, the sugar, have a point again.

(01:18:12):
A point when it comes to Sean Combs, Gene Deal
said out of his mouth, sug Knight wanted to squash
the beef between both factions. Seawan Combs did not. There
was supposed to be a meeting that happened between everybody
up top senior representatives. Let's squash this beef. They see.
Gene Deal out of his own mouth said, Shawn Combs

(01:18:34):
wasn't with it. Okay, So he plays. What happens is
he plays. He plays nice in front of you, turns
his back and says, f you. That's what he does.
So here, I am, as a young youngin I'm I'm like, yo,
why is Tupac Okay? He gets shot right, then he
comes out of jail obviously, and then he's on his

(01:18:56):
bad boy, this bad boy. That right, And I'm asking myself.
I'm like, younger self, younger Denny, I'm like, why is
he tripping? Biggin and shoot you? Why are you tripping?
I don't know the backstory. I don't know. I don't
know that Biggie saw Jimmy Jimmy Henchman's one of Jimmy

(01:19:17):
Henchman's goons, Haitian Jack hanging out with Tupac. Biggie tells
Tupac yo them guys over there is no good. Instead
of Tupac just internalizing that and keeping it sting the swivel,
he goes and tells those guys what happened? You know? Well, look,

(01:19:38):
you know what those guys did. They went and then
robbed Biggie.

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I don't know these things as a youngster. I don't
know when when Tupac says I took five shots, you
copy my style. I sit back, and you sit back
and you watch these documentaries. That's why it's called connecting
the dots. Kirk Burrows literally saying we studied Tupac mind blown.

(01:20:08):
He literally said, we studied the get Around video I
Get Around. We studied it. We wanted to take the style,
the energy, everything, and then juicy happens. Then you put
I get Around and Juicy. You put them side by side.

Speaker 6 (01:20:28):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
This is exactly the same barbecue people dancing having a set.
Who who were Forsace first Tupac?

Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
Who are a big fan? Who are a big fan
of Big?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Who am I a bigger, bigger fan of Wow? I
don't think. I don't think I can answer that because
I was a fan of both, because I can't really
give you Tupac. It was not only me he was acting.
So i'm I'm, I'm you know, I'm torn.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
Between from here's thing from me.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
I've always been a bigger fan Biggie, you know, East
West thing, I was going east come in New.

Speaker 6 (01:21:11):
Yorker, blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
But it's clear that Tupac was the bigger star because movies,
you know, deploiting justice and all these things he was doing.
Biggie was probably the more cred I guess in the
in the hip hop because of the you know what
he's doing. Both massive losses when he sliced it. But
I was someone who didn't really care for Tupac until

(01:21:36):
years after this passing. I I appreciate Tupac now in hindsight.
In real time, I didn't like him because I thought
he was some arrogant, you know, troll maker, not understanding
the dynamics in play that I know now obviously, I
regrettably obviously him. It would have changed course I had
known this, but you know, yeah, Tupauc was study.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Tupac was very misunderstood. So you look, you see, I'm
Tupac I'm doing my thing. I see I see a
guy who I sees a snake, but no one else
sees a snake. Fifty cents looking at Diddy, I see
a guy who's a snake. Everybody loves this guy. He's straws.
I see him as a snake. I see him as

(01:22:22):
a dirt ball. I do not see this guy as
someone to even be around. And you found you hear
the things he's saying about how Diddy is is playing
both sides of the fences when it comes to his sexuality.
You're here, Tupac say stuff like, you know, you took
my style, and then you look back and it's like, oh,

(01:22:42):
everybody confirms his Sean Combs his styles literally pulled from Tupacs.
So it's just like, why are you taking my style?
Why don't you have your own? In that time period,
you had to be different, you had to be You
could not call it. They called it biting, they called it,
they called it. You couldnt You could not do it.

(01:23:04):
You didn't have you didn't have the concept. Right now,
in today's rap game of having a rapper called d
a baby and little baby would not happen. Someone would
have to take away the baby and has to be
only one baby back in the day you had. So

(01:23:27):
when you have people biting your style, you damn near
have people fighting because of people taking the nas the
NOAs baby photo, biggie baby photo, like everybody's using baby
photos for their for their albums, and people just like
you can't do that, don't bite. That caused beef. So

(01:23:47):
here's a guy that literally's taking my whole style of
who I am right, and no one sees it that
I'd be very frustrating. So I, as an adult, I
get it understand that these guys, these boys were twenty
six years old, they were babies twenty six, twenty three,
twenty four when they lost their lives. There were babies there.

(01:24:11):
They were babies. Pok was what twenty four twenty four
to twenty five twenty five, I think baby, same thing
with the freaking nipsey hustle baby.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Twenty twenty five years old, whdn't talk died.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
My god, they were babies.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
You forget that ship, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah, there were babies. They didn't even get the chance
to live their lives.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
Let me ask you this question. Say they never die,
Say they continued their career. Everything is as is you
will be.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
That's that's that's forecast. Ten years after two thousand and six.
Let's work us fifteen years after two thousand and eleven?
Where is hip hop?

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Then? Is Pac and Biggie still at the forefront.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
If neither of them past?

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
Yeah, let's say they still alive. The stuff, all this,
all this stuff around it squaw squaw, you know, calms
down and.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Biggie.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
I guess maybe the leaves Big bad Boy, because I
remember the rumors that he was he was year after before.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
After you past, what? Where where is hip hop? You think?
Ten fifteen years later?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Hard to say, so I had to say where they
where it is?

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
I just know that you know it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
The marvel, the marvel change of the timeline. Yeah, the
snapping of the they nosed finger and the timeline change.
It affects other people's careers more than theirs.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
Jay Z, It affects DMX, it affects jaw Rule, it
affects I think it. It may be effect well Emandem.
I think I'm still biking no matter what because emindem
being white and being Dre's guy, still finds a way
to figure to puncture that hole.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
But when it can, you those names, Job Rule, d
m X, jay Z. Anybody that was in New York
that was trying to be the man and get off
get and get their career off the ground would have
been very interesting to say that they Who's to say
that they all don't collapse together? Who's to say that
they make? You know? Who's to say jay Z and

(01:26:07):
and Biggie don't have a they were going to form
the Commission and have a full album him, Biggie, jay Z,
Charlie Baltimore, the Commission kind of like the Firm with
nas A Z, Carmega and Foxy Brown. MH. You never
know where it could have gone. And that's that's the
thing about the hip hop timeline when.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
It comes to But would you agree that, say, ten
years later, that Pack and Biggie are probably still the
two biggest names in the genre.

Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
Would you would you co sign that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Yes? I co sign that because I wouldn't imagine Tupac's
not getting more movie movie rolls. I wouldn't, right, I
wouldn't imagine that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Yeah, Park was marketable anyway to one good looking guy
to one. You know, if it wasn't if it wasn't rapping,
it was movie was a tree was writing. Who knows
he has He had such a talent outside of music
that you know, you have to, you know, consider that

(01:27:11):
Biggie maybe less, sir, because but his music has popped.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Though one hundred percent. You know again, l O cooj
hell of a career in television, Ludacris, hell of a
career in movies. You know, you look at those two,
You look at those two things, and yeah, llll was
I believe, I'm not mistaken. L was on television, not
so much the movies at first, but Tupac pretty much
flew the door open. And obviously he's gonna be in

(01:27:36):
boys and He's supposed to be. He was supposed to
be in a Boys and Boys in the Hood. He
was supposed to be so he was. He was going
to be in a lot of movies that are classics
to us. You'd be surprised how many you know, whether
or not he would have been offered roles in any
of these movies that we considered classics. The timelines changed

(01:27:58):
and everybody else is affected by so you never know
what what would have, what could have, should have would
have happened. But I'm I'm angry. I'm always angry and
frustrated that we never will know. I'm angry and frustrated.
Let me just go down a less since we're here, Ready,
the angry and frustrated Denny List. I'm angry and frustrated that,

(01:28:18):
you know, Biggie and Tupac don't live out their careers.
I'm angry that Bad Boy didn't take care of their artists.
I'm angry that Pop Smoke isn't still here, that Nipsey
Hustle isn't here. I'm angry and and and I'm angry

(01:28:42):
because they should be here. There's no reason why they
should not be here. So when you have people taken
from us, from our hip hop culture for no other
reason than jealousy, hate, then it, you know, it becomes frustrating.
It's sad. It's sad. It becomes sad from time to time.
What you know, what what hip hop has to go

(01:29:05):
through when it comes to our you know it. Literally,
I'm in a restaurant last night and I'm hearing R
Kelly and I'm just cringing. I'm like, all right, all right,
all right, all right, and I'm mad because.

Speaker 6 (01:29:25):
It is really impossible. You need to separate the two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Uh. I'm still working on this. Okay, I'm still working
on it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
But there's there's a song on two that pop up
like this. This song it slaps no no, no no,
don't get me wrong, no no slash my guy stuff
plays a great records.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Team fifty sixty. I mean, don't get but I'm talking
about even even in New York City. I don't know
about the radio in Florida.

Speaker 6 (01:29:49):
Yeah, but in New York City radio they're.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Not playing they're not playing R. Kelly on the radio playing.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
I don't hear me. I mean, I don't know much
radio is, uh, you know, transmitter radio. But when I
do put radio, I don't I don't want to hear him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Yeah. Me. And you can look up on the radio.
You can go to the radio station and see what
see you'll see what the most played music songs are
in their rotation, their programming. And no, he's not in there.
So it's you know, you don't hear him for a while,
and then all of a sudden, you just he pops
up out of nowhere in a playlist somewhere, and you're
just like and you start dancing, like me and my

(01:30:25):
wife start dancing. I'm just like, oh, oh, oh, and
but even with even with the bad Boy, Dinny's in
the background of a bunch of songs, you and mind You,
Jadakiss writes, Victory m Dinny performs Victory, I can't listen

(01:30:49):
to Victory now, one of my favorite songs, I can't
listen to because he's performing on it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Well, my biggest Mike might get on a jail free
card for me is the fact that the parts of
the songs that Diddie's on I don't enjoy anyway, and
I've never enjoyed anyway. So I can enjoy you know,
the Benjamin's and you know and you know all that
other songs because Mace's parts on songs and the biggest
part of the songs are much more. I've always been

(01:31:16):
to my favorite part of song than Diddy's. So that's
how I that's why it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Benjamin's first sixteen bars is Diddy written by Jadakis, sixteen
bars that take through with Victory Son those sign forever
was only right we signed together.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
I'm like, ah m, you think you think Mace's anything
about this stuff? Because Mace hasn't really comes as much
on the podcast about.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
That doesn't need to. He's he said enough.

Speaker 6 (01:31:45):
And he was out early, out early. He saw the bullshit.
He's like, I'm out and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Again I'm young. Mace just made five million dollars. He
saw me five million dollars. He sold five million, May
sold five million out there gate as a twenty one
year old, Why would you run away from bad boy?

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I'm young. I'm a baby. I don't know no better.

Speaker 6 (01:32:08):
He found Jesus, he.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
And that, and that was okay back then. Me being
a young young boy, I'm just like, you found Jesus.
After you've done did wrote niggas doesn't started something? What
are you talking about? Uh? My guy, why would you leave?
I didn't understand it then. I understand it now. Yeah,
if you if he posed the scenario like this, he said, uh,

(01:32:34):
imagine you're getting robbed and then you go over the
puff's house and the guy who robbed you's right there.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
M yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
I had to rewind him saying that literally on YouTube. Literally.
He's like, I said, what did you just say? Yeah,
I got robbed by somebody. The guy who robbed me
was sitting there. I went to dintitizing and you sitting
right there with Diddy. I said yeah, I said yeah,
it was a wild wild West. He was like, I'm

(01:33:05):
going to get killed. My mother's just move out of
here because these guys is not playing fair. They're not
playing fair, and they weren't. You see what happened to be.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
How much is soul worth? And Mace k new there
you go, how.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Much is your soul worth? Mace had enough to be like,
you know what, I'm good, and don't get me wrong.
He had enough to say I'm good. Some people do
not have enough to say I'm good. And I acknowledge that.
I acknowledged that when he's like, oh, how much is
you sol worth? That Mexican man with that toll, yep, right,
he's making one hundred dollars a month. He has five

(01:33:40):
kids at home to feed. He has a wife, he
has a house, he has bills to pay. He's trying
to do the right things. He is. He's trying to
do the right things he is. He's at this toll,
but here comes this drug dealer. Give me a million
dollars to look the other way. I know what's wrong.
I know it's wrong. I don't I don't live like that.
I know it's wrong, but I got five kiss to feed.

(01:34:02):
And a wife and bills. I'm gonna take this, and
some people will be like bad, bad, bad, bad bad. However,
there is an other side to the coin, and sometimes
in certain scenarios there is a U. There is a uh,
there's this idea of having choice. Yeah, sometimes there's this,

(01:34:30):
there's this idea that you may have a choice. And
in some instances you really don't.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
Exactly exactly the meeting from the two NBA things, we'll
get you out of here. Yeah, tell me three. So
I have a hot take for you. And this came
out of a conversation last night I had with my nephew,
my brother, and my father. Could you like to debate
basketball all the time, Let's do it. They even come
in the podcast once a while to something I said

(01:34:59):
last night on FaceTime that it's not why my nephew Elijah.
Of course, I said on the podcast that I don't
think Luca dnciso everyone's NBA title, And I said, my
My reason for that was, I said, look at the landscape.
So right now, Lucas, what this is your eight? I

(01:35:22):
think you're eight, seven to eight, whatever it is. If
you forecast the next five.

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
Years in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
And look at all the ascending teams currently. Okay, see
it's gonna be done for a while, san Antonio ascending.
Denver's still really good for Nix now two three years
because of Jokic. Even in the East, you still have
decent teams there that I will think are on level
or better. In LA, the Knicks are still pretty good
a couple of years, Boston Stree back. You know, Indiana

(01:35:51):
will be better once to get the Halley back. Those
teams are those teams I mentioned are either on level
or better in LA.

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
Unless there's a move out there to be made.

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
To improve the Lakers roster, and even then, because the
kind of player Luca is, he's someone that really does
not play well with other stars. Now, the Lebron thing
is weird because I think that's a nominal leaue because
Lebron has adjusted this game to make it work. But
most stars don't play well with Luca. In fact, Luca

(01:36:25):
is the kind of guy that you need to build
around the same way you build around James Harden Houston.
The lies you want in Houston, but whether having another
type A or even a B plus player, you need
a roster of really intelligent basketball players around Luca. The
problem is these teams down in the league currently that
we I just mentioned to me are either clearly better

(01:36:47):
or at least on level, and I don't see a
move being made in next.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
Couple of years. It's gonna shift that conversation. Am I
not just saying that Danny Blanco the four is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Yours NBA whispered Denny Blanco aka the Sauce, the Sauce
out NBA Whisper aka the Sauce. Yes, I agree with
the synopsis not bearing a trade as constructed right now.

(01:37:18):
Obviously trades happening so forth, but even with a trade
five years down the line. I'm sitting back watching this
OKC team and how loaded they are with talent, and
they can still be adding talent based on their draft
picks that they've hoarded from some of these wild trades.

(01:37:44):
The Nuggets are better than the Lakers, The Rockets are
better than the Lakers. Clearly Spurs are better than Lakers.
Do I see any three of those teams in the
next three to four years taking a step back?

Speaker 6 (01:37:56):
No, they're going to get better or make a trade,
maybe Denver because because just age it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Maybe yeah, they can always I mean, but but think
about the so other than Jamal Murray Camp and Cam Johnson.
I mean, you got Braun who's young. You have a
lot of you got. You got a mix of old
and young on that roster. So it's just a matter
of tweaking another young player to play with Joker. And

(01:38:24):
his was funny too. You think Joker can't play till
he's forty, Trey Palswick Ken, Look, what does Joker do athletically?
That's like, oh, he's who Joker? Please just don't hurt
yourself now.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
Nothing he does nothing athletic works favor in his his style,
play works in his flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
The style of play Joker, he could play till he's fifty.
A big man that can shoot the three, shoot the
mid range, can post, can pass out the post, shoots
free throws. He could play till he's fifty. And let's
be clear, bigs, bigs aren't The big men like Joker

(01:39:10):
aren't coming out the NCAA's or even overseas like that.
It takes some time to develop, four or five years.
By that time Joke would have been retired and done right.
But the bigs that are coming in don't have his
skill set none he's whether it's.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
And even he took a couple of years to become
who he was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
My point, exactly three or four years for him to
get get Oh, I gotta lose some sixty seventy pounds.
I have to be lighter on my feet. I have
to develop a jump shot. I have develop a three
point shot. All that, And then I sit back and
I'm looking at the Thunder in their front line. And
then I'm sitting back and I was talking to Randy J.
Cruz about who they are, well who they just lose

(01:39:54):
to us. So Thunder is twenty six, twenty six and two.
When there's twenty six and two. They got two losses,
the two losses of the team, the two teams that
beat them Portland, San Antonio, two teams where the front
line is tall, lanky, can get after it when it

(01:40:18):
comes to height. I say that, and I'm looking at, Okay,
who can beat Thunder in the seven game series, the
Nuggets front line, the Rockets front line, the Spurs front line.
But to answer your question, circling back with Luca, yeah,
I don't see him winning a chip unless he gets

(01:40:39):
traded from the Lakers.

Speaker 6 (01:40:42):
It's not a bad take. See it's not a bad
take at all unless he gets traded.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
And by the time he gets take and using my
five year theory, also by the time he gets to
the end of the five years, he's now year thirteen.
Not saying he will be getting any better because he
could be like the open stew Also his game also
it is okay because he will shoot the Baltimore one.

Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
And he's still his skill set.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Yeah, his skill set does not require athleticism. If you
haven't paid attention his skill set, there's nothing with it. Again,
same skill set that Joker has. But you know, obviously
a smaller player. And then also too, teams are have
to be comfortable with Luca not playing defense.

Speaker 5 (01:41:27):
And Jokis does more to basketball than Luca does. He's
a great passer too. On top of that, so he
gets got involved.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Don't get me wrong. Luca averages a good high eight
nine assists, don't get me wrong. But both sides of
the ball, the Joker is gonna be defensive rebounder, He's
gonna be the long outlet passer, so he affects the game.
Joker more on both sides of the ball than Luca.
Lucas more of an offensive effector on offense defensively, not

(01:41:54):
so much?

Speaker 6 (01:41:56):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
Does Chris Paul get on last? That's a retirement about
a few weeks ago. Then the Clippers cut him for.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
What a reason?

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
Oh w that's a wacky situation, the Clippers in Chris
Paul wacky as ship does?

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
Do we see Chris Paul another team? What chance? The
little ring contender?

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
For me to answer? Will he for me to answer?
If he's going to be on another team? Would My
question would be is what team would he want to
go to? Right in my head, I'm like, you're not
doing You're not going to Utah, of course not. I'm
not going to Wahton. So the question would be is
where do I go? Who's gonna want me? I don't

(01:42:40):
even think it's it's it's gotta be an East Coast team.
And yeah, can I see him on the Pistons?

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Can I see him on the Sixers? Nah? They already
have Kyle Lowry over there. He's already the mentor over there.
So technically Miami maybe, but everywhere else has they already
have guards, and they already have mentors there that are

(01:43:13):
taking that are actually doing their due diligence the Knicks
don't need him. They already have enough guards as is.
So yeah, there could be a slight possibility if he
wants to go to the East because Houston. A lot
of people have mentioned Houston going back to Houston. Chris
Paul rubs people the wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:43:34):
Way, clearly, clearly to say, to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Put it mildly, the mild sauce, Chris Paul rubbed it,
you know, first time, first time I watched Chris Paul's
wake Forest dynamic guard, one of the greatest guards to
ever play the game in the NBA. He threw me off.
I'm watching him play in the ACC tournament and then
he just punches Julius Hodge's charges in the balls randomly.

(01:44:06):
Just from that moment on, I said, Yo, there's something
wrong with this guy.

Speaker 6 (01:44:13):
Like he's good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
But and a lot of people have mentioned it is like, yo,
he he talks like he's Kobe. Yeah, but if you
talk like you're Kobe, you have to be Kobe. Yeah,
you have to beat you have And it worked until
it stopped. It worked when he was with the Clippers

(01:44:35):
till it could till Blake Griffith said, yeah, please please please,
I don't like him. Please do something. Please goes to Houston,
James Harden, please, please, please this guy. Please goes to

(01:44:57):
the Spurs. Now, mind you again, I'm not saying he
doesn't prevent uskim. He doesn't bring winning basketball.

Speaker 5 (01:45:06):
If he goes to you, they have got that's that
guess loss in the sauce. Oh no titles. Yeah, but
every team he goes to, they elevate in a big way.
This can't you think it to that that level?

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
He is one, he is Okay. Two teams that weren't
were not. We're not going to make the playoffs before
Chris Paul san Antonio Okay, okay, see they make the playoffs.
You look at those teams, You're like, huh, this team

(01:45:41):
made the playoffs. Yeah, it's just winning basketball. Accountability. He
was able to be around certain individuals that would receive
his coaching and then outpour what they received. So understand, right,
san Antonio. Young team. Okay, see young team. The Clippers got, Kawhi,

(01:46:07):
got James Harden. Quiet, they don't talk. So people are
just running a monk. Things are just running a monk.
You talk about the Clippers. Listen, the Clippers for years
have been questionable when it comes to uh management and
an organization all the way through Donald Sterling. Then they

(01:46:28):
move Donald Sterling aside. Then they bring on Balmber. Steve
Balmer comes in, gets the whole arena set up, right,
But the whole arena is set up because they literally
steal Kawhi Leonard from everywhere else by circumventing the cap
which which is illegal. But they're not gonna have anything

(01:46:50):
done to them because it's rich people, and it's it's
out of our realm of thinking.

Speaker 6 (01:46:56):
Okay, Chris Paul, for me, rules with rules, whether it
rules with the ain't for me or what all that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Saying that same, listen you, we don't play by the
same rules these billionaires play by literally Steve Baumer looking
looking into the Chempson, I don't know. I don't know
about this, this this company I don't know about. Pablo
to is like, wait a minute, hold on right, Yeah,
did a great job on that.

Speaker 7 (01:47:25):
By the way, Pablo Tore is bringing back what I
love journalism, journalism actual Who, what, when, where?

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Why? Here are my sources? You choose what you decide
to choose. I'm not gonna tell you what I feel.
I'm just gonna talk about the facts and I'm gonna
let you decide. And I love everything about that, and
and and yes, bring it back to journalism. And then
your man said, I had to. I left ESPN Sports Illustrated.

(01:48:00):
I love these places, and journalism is dead. They do
not want journalism, They want debate, They want this course
right now. This is the biggest time. This is the
time in history where the people that are rich are
in the know, those that are not don't know. And
it is the farthest gap it's been in a very

(01:48:23):
long time. And that's because of social media. That's because
of debate, conversation. Journalism. Journalism is what brought Watergate. Journalism
maybe too young, maybe to you, and I'm too young,
but I'm gonna blind it up all for you. Journalism
broke Watergate. Journalism brought you Rodney King. Journalism brought you Epstein. People.

(01:48:51):
People think that, oh, we would have gotten to this
Jeffrey Epstein story if if it wasn't for one journalist
from my from the Miami Herald m correct who did
a four part expose a on Jeffrey Epstein, no one
would know who he was. He wouldn't be arrested, he
wouldn't have been even indicted and that's all based on journalism.

(01:49:14):
So I say, bring journalism back. We need it, we
have to have it, and I will be There.

Speaker 5 (01:49:21):
Is also the fact that these companies ESPN all bought
pay for Now because like they're all involved in these companies,
so they can't as say much because then they get
you know, lambastard, you know so.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
But but no, but no, I was gonna say Sports
Illustrated magazine journalism. You had to read it. You had
to get an understanding of what what what transpired in
sports that's gone. Then you have Real Sports on esp NO,
Real Sports and HBO where journalists Mike Lup because of

(01:49:58):
the world and everybody would come together and talk about
stories and they weren't debating. They were just saying, this
is what happened, this is what I think is going
to happen. Now you have your Pat McAfee's, your Steward,
your stephen A. Smith, your first Takes, your all these

(01:50:19):
shows debate, but you realize that there's no journalism being
done behind the scenes that people are actually talking about
that is needed, Like these are the things that are needed.
We don't need in you windows and hypotheticals and no
we need sports journalism. We need to understand how, we

(01:50:44):
need to understand how gambling is legal and gambling is
so good, but then people are getting upset because football
scenarios are happening where gambling is being affected and people
are losing money. So it's just it's very interesting to
see what's what's going on with the landscape in general.

Speaker 5 (01:51:02):
By the way, Julie K. Brown is the journalist from
Mimmy Harold who unlock the story.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
So there you go. If it wasn't for her, I.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
Give her credit. Yeah, I want to give her credit.
That's why I wanted to say her name. It's her name.
One asking a chut to here, one nesting child to hear.
I love love having his two hours of the it
was a fantastic time. Max Keleman's back after a couple
of years.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Go ahead, you say back. You know it's interesting Max Keleman,
it's say it's back. Did he go anywhere?

Speaker 6 (01:51:35):
We have heard nothing from him for four years?

Speaker 5 (01:51:37):
Nothing, Steve, he leaves first take, then he gets then
he gets laid off. He has spent with all those layoffs,
and then he's gone for three four years.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
So in my eyes, right he's gone from ESPN, but
he's a boxing analyst.

Speaker 6 (01:51:56):
Was he doing stuff with boxing in the last four
years too?

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Okay, the last fight with Crawford and canel Averes. Guess
who was calling that fight, Max Kellerman. So he's been
he before he was with ESPN, he was a boxing analyst,
so people forget like he he was a boxing analysts,
one of the better Boxton analysts, so it's not like

(01:52:21):
he was. So once Stephen A. Smith figured out he
cannot work with Max Kellerman and Max Kellerman was making
him look bad, Yeah, he went to the he went
to management and said, hey, get him his own show.
Do what you need to do, just not here, got

(01:52:43):
rid of him. Mind you, this whole time he's not
with ESPN, he's getting paid. H this is a contract.
He's getting paid. They didn't they didn't want to place
him anywhere. They tried placing matter of fact, they tried
placing him a couple of places. They tried it out,
but then it whatever reason, it stopped and then obviously
he was ESPN. And now look the fast forward he's doing,
you know, some podcasts, he's you know, he's coming back

(01:53:05):
out slowly but surely. But yeah, I followed my you know,
I followed Marcellus Wiley, who's on the podcast Game and
who was working with Max Killerman, who's you know, a
friend of Max Killerman. And he's like, oh, listen, he's chilling.
He's chilling. He's not he's not sad about anything. He's chilling.
He's still guys boxing career. He's chilling. He'll be fine,

(01:53:28):
you know. But Marcel's is saying that m guys, Marcello's
is saying he's just basically saying that, you know, Steve
and A didn't want him around. That's pretty much it.

Speaker 6 (01:53:39):
Yeah, because he was that good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Again, when you you want somebody to challenge you, if
you're talking about discord and and you want the other
side hit the other side to maybe disagree with him,
me agree with that's cool. But when you watch something
religiously at the time I watched First Take religiously, when

(01:54:06):
you watch it, you get an understanding of who likes who,
who's just there working, and who actually can't stand the person.
Everyone who's watching Stephen A. Smith flame the hell out
every time. Max Kellerman made a great point. So, whether
it was the Colin Kaepernick situations, whether it's literally to

(01:54:33):
Terrell Owens coming on and saying, what's going on? Why
is this guy Max Kellerman sounding way more on point
than you? He literally sounds black. That's when it was like,
all right, I gotta get this guy out of here,
because now my blackness is being called to question. And
that George Floyd same concept. It was just like stephen

(01:54:57):
A just made this turn. I don't know when, but
he made this turn to where he says things where
you're questioning like is that what you think or is
that what you were told to say?

Speaker 6 (01:55:17):
There was a time it called a vibes change. It's
audience captured. Joe Rogan did the same damn thing the
last couple of years too.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Also, you you you see a point inflection point where
you're just like, he shares his feelings and it's it's
it's pro black, pro black, pro black, pro black, and
then all of a sudden, it's just like starts turning
a little bit and it's just like, yeah, well we
gotta wait to see. Oh yeah, well we gotta wait

(01:55:44):
to I'm just like, when when did this happen? So
then Max Kellerman's is like, no, this is this, this
is that, and everybody's like, yo, maxis Max is right? Yeah,
Max is right? Stephen A, what's going on with just
of hearing steven A? What's going wrong with you? Who's
tired of hearing it? So now Maxiculum gets to be

(01:56:05):
who he is, which is a brilliant on air personality,
brilliant mind. If you will, Rich Paul, have you seen it?
I saw saw a couple of clips. Rich Paul's a
very very interesting individual. But I saw a couple of
clips and the guys, the guys are brain I mean,
there's there's nothing more I could say other than you know,

(01:56:26):
he's he's a very very smart individual, and I applaud
anything that he does because.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
Other than the Cliff, Tom Brady, other than the Cliff,
to be fair, to be fair to Max, thell, everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:56:48):
Was wrong about Tom Brady and the Cliff. So let's
be meal about that. No one had the no one,
no one said.

Speaker 5 (01:56:56):
Nobody had Tom Brady in twenty twenty one going to
Tampa Bay and when the Super Bowls first year in
Tampa Bay.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
No one had that. But what we did see was
the question was is at the time, is Tom Brady
playing so bad that he has to retire. That was
the question going into Tampa, and we were saying, if
you look at his numbers, he's not bad, he's not good,

(01:57:24):
he's average, so he could he could do some things maybe,
and Max says, Matt kept saying, the cliff's coming, the
cliff's coming, the cliff's coming, And we were like, it's
been three years after you said this, where's the cliff?
You want to because won a championship.

Speaker 6 (01:57:42):
Because Tom Brady is the only guy we've seen at
this level not do this. So everybody had a cliff.
Eve Montana had a cliff.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Right, But that's the thing we saw when the cliff
was happening with Montana, he was saying the cliff was
going to happen sooner than later, and it didn't. And
we're like, like, what do you see? How do you
how do you predicted? So basically, he's predicting the cliff
three years earlier, four years earlier, and we're just like,
we don't see it. We see him still making good passes,
we see him still bringing a team to win games.

(01:58:13):
We still see this. So and then it's like, okay,
well it's just England, New England. It's just it's just
a system. You don't And that's a funny thing to it.
Tom Brady, Tom Brady had the Kobe taped Kobe on
the shoulder one day. Whoever, not somebody, but in general
his own ego. You know, we all have our own

(01:58:35):
little guys on our shoulders. You really think you could win?
Mind yous, Kobe tom Brady and Steph? Mind you following me? Kobe?
You really think you could win without Shaq? What's your
legacy gonna be if you don't win without Shack?

Speaker 6 (01:58:57):
True?

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Vetty wins? Tom Brady, what's your legacy gonna be if
you don't win without Bill Belichick?

Speaker 6 (01:59:07):
Same thing? Yep, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Then he goes and wins. Steph Curry, what's your legacy
going to be if you don't win without Kevin Durant?
And then he wins? One is this? Did? Tom Brady?
Same thing? Do you have to leave the system to
prove to everybody? Know? It's it's me, bit, I'm the sauce.

(01:59:34):
It's me, I'm the main ingredients. I'm him. It's this guy.
It's this guy, right, I'm him. I'm the main ingredient.
The conversations about Bill Belichick and the system it's not
it's me. So there it comes inflection points. And then
with Max Cullum and like a land in the plane,

(01:59:55):
he was just basically saying that that that's not gonna happen.
He's going to fall to cliff before that happens, and
he didn't. So other than the cliff, Max has been
pretty good with his assessments, been pretty good. It was
an analysis, but pretty good. And that's what I'm talking about,
not just sports. I'm talking about sports, and I'm talking
about off the field stuff as well. He's been very

(02:00:15):
measured when it comes to when things happen, when it
comes to an assault or when it comes to this,
he's just like, well, listen, let's just go through the
proper steps. Let's just do this, let's just do that,
and then you know, steven A's is like, well, this
shouldn't have happened, and I'm embarrassed, and it's like steven
A signed the contract, so we understand, we understand.

Speaker 6 (02:00:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:00:42):
Anyway, Denny, great job today, two hours of great conversation,
the Diddy stuff. Love it went over an hour and
that's having alone. My god, sorry for talking too much,
clipping and show this podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
I ever talking too much. But yeah, I thought that
the Shaw and the Shawn Colmes was you know, very
in depth. So many places you could go with that story,
so you know, I went to different places. Again, I
appreciate you EJ for even allowing me on your show
and you calling me back because you obviously you respect
my opinion. So I appreciate you always having me on.

(02:01:21):
And once again, it's in the Game podcast with Randy J. Cruz.
Turn your notifications on, come to my page, follow your boy,
and then you can see what we're on. Usually do
one show once a week and then every other day,
Sagan every Wednesday. I seen every every Wednesday, majority of
the times every Wednesday. Sometimes you push Thursday because things happen.

(02:01:42):
We all have live so we get it. And then
that's why we say turn on your notification, so if
it not Wednesday, you get a notification of them when
we actually put on the show. And then obviously every
other day, your hype man, your boy, Denny Blanco, The
Breakdown with Denny Blanco. On all your socials, your Facebook,
your Twitter, your Instagram. I put stuff on YouTube as well,

(02:02:03):
The Breakdown with Denny Blanco. I'll pull your highlights and
give you an actual what the highlights is supposed to be,
not your your your bland mayonnaise highlight reel. If you
will that you see on TV, shout out to Stuart Scott.
I gotta watch that documentary the thirty thirty.

Speaker 6 (02:02:21):
Watch that too. I watch that also too.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
Yes, I do have to shout out to Stuart Scott.
He's a definitely inspiration when it comes to these highlight reels.
But yeah, other than that, I appreciate you, sir. Denny
Blanco on all social media platforms. The Sauce aka NBA Whisper, Yes,
Denny Hoppy. Hell, guys, brother appreciate you, Yes, sir

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