Thank You Cena! | FALLS COUNT ANYWHERE - Earnestly Speaking Podcast

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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Newton, False count Anywhere, part of the Nursey podcasta ernest
Eja Christian as we are now and once again the
last go home week of the twenty twenty five season.
And of course we were joined here by of course,
one third of the milef podcast and also the host
all the Robin Genius Podcast. It is my guy, uh

(01:24):
Rob the Genius with us of chorus.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Robin was going on, brother and no man everything.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Look, look go bumble up there, bro Nicole. Was something
up there? Blandy?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Uh yeah? It mean teen is yes today? Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Isn't it in the twentiescent?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
It wasn't teens yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Really, yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
My wife is so jealous right now because she loves
the cold weather, loves it. But of course she's never
lived through before. She's always been She's a Florida girl.
She had her way, she'd be living up north right now.
But I told her, woman, you look, you sit there,
and you were romanticize this because on TV you know
snow and all this stuff. Listen. I lived there as

(02:07):
a child, and I don't I don't mind the Cole
weather Man, but I would not live there anymore. That's
a damn sure. I want the old black ice and
having to want my car and af and I'm good
with that.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Bro. Oh yeah. Once you were the age where you're like,
you know, well, when you're a kid and you get
snow days, that's cool. Yeah we're adults. You don't snow.
You still gotta go to work.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So so you asked it the work no matter, no
matter what's going on.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Because yesterday I take the commuter train to d C
from here, and yesterday you know, they were canceling a
bunch of the trains because of weather. Mm hm, So
I ended up aproom, turned around and come back home.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I almost asked, you want to do the show last
yesterday because like you went well, okay, So a little
inside baby ball. I had planned on doing a podcast
with Duke on The Duke's Podcast, uh yesterday, but I
told him that, you know, because we just moved into
this new, new, new place a couple days ago, I
had a couple of people coming over to do some
stuff here, maintenance stuff and whatever. So there's a possibility

(03:17):
that I may have to cut the show short or
pause a couple of times to make sure that you
know which by what did happen? They came by and
will not. So Duke said, well, move to the show
next week. Okay, Well, well we'll do the next week instead.
But I thought I was like, damn, id, I know
you were going to be a home that tomorrow yesterday
I called you up to do the show last yesterday,
you know.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
But well look it I fell asleep, funny enough.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
So did I. I mean, I'm feeling tire. I'm feeling
tire lately.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Bro Okay, well my sleeping catterns has been off again.
Oh boy, but when it gets cold here, like okay,
so the problem is the basement gets cold. So if
I come down, if you come down to the basement,
you bundle up, You're gonna fall asleep under the blankets
or whatever. Yeah. But then the way, like the way

(04:10):
the heat rises here if I go up my bedroom
is all the way upstairs, right, So if I go
all the way up there to wear the warmer into
my bedroom, like, the heat all rises up there and
it will knock you out.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
So basically, when it gets the winter time, yeah, yeah,
it's it's really easy to fall asleep here. Man.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, no, if I feel that, I feel that anyway again.
This week is the we'll be at the end of
the John Cena run all together. John Cena, it's over
for him this week on the main event. We'll get
that in the second. We'll compute the show, and of
course we're gonna do another uh. The second version of
Hubert's face We take a restaurant has been on both

(04:56):
sides of the of the storylines of a bay pace
of and a heel in the sea, which which random
rest we decide on was a better healer face. I
will gets that in the second, but I want to
keep this one simple here because I think next week
when I may have some special nets were looked up
for the show. I wanted to ask you this because,

(05:16):
as I revealed in the show last week, John Seen
is not my guy. And when I say not my guys,
I'm not. I love Johnson for the record, and I
know if we've been watching Johnson this last week and
I'm doing his media runs. He was on a Bill
Swith's podcast last week, phenomenal interview. It is the Joe
Rogan I think on Saturday or Sunday, I haven't a
step on this yet. I've seen a couple of Johnson
and runs this week on through the media. You know

(05:38):
that that Simons interview is amazing because I'm finding out
things I didn't know the guy. You know, I look,
I look at John Sceen and the first thing beause
of mine was is this is that John Seena was
everything hud was supposed to be in and out the ring, Authentic,
honest to a fault, and and even Sina, you get
the feeling that who he is and who he as

(06:00):
a person, even outside the ring, he's not fake, that
that that whole persona is who he really is. Yeah,
and that's why I like him so much. That's why
I think he resonates so much for this generation too,
you know, so many years later despite the challenges of
you know, getting booed and whatnot. John Cena to me
is probably the most authentic and yet cleanest uh superstar

(06:26):
the w w's ever had, probably in terms of that
of higher powers. Like you told about Rushmore, Hogan has
his warts, also has his warts. I don't know Rock
has his warts in the same way. But seeing up
to me is the is the one guy that clean
as a whistle, but yet authentic, like he's not He's
not cooking cutter either. I mean if if you're watched

(06:48):
him Peacemaker on HBO, that's a different character for what
he is until Rick. You know you watch that show, right, So.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't gotten rid of this season yet,
but I've watched the first.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, it's a great, great show. So I want to
ask you this, keep it simple. What is your favorite
John seen a moment of all time? You got to
pick of all the bunches happen your favorite moment matchable?
It does matter what twenty what's what's the stand of hemos?
Yeah that's tough.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Huh Yeah, a lot, because I mean, like you, like
I didn't. I was late to the party because I
wasn't walking during his whole kind of rise to the
top and all of that. Yeah, so everything about him
that I saw live happened like from twenty twelve up

(07:49):
until now. I guess for me, you know, tried to
take one.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Being me a match moment promo. I don't know, I'd say,
you want to think I gave my nal quick? Why
I think about it? For me now, this is easy
for me because because I didn't really watch the majority

(08:29):
of his run in real time. As you guys know,
I took a seventeen hiatus from two two to twenty nineteen,
and when I left two dozen and two, Sina was
called it to many roster literally months after I stopped watching,
And while I knew who he was, I just wasn't
watching a product in real time to know what's going on.
And when I came back in twenty nineteen, by then
he was night. I ment think it was even a

(08:49):
part timer was he wasn't even there. He was gone.
He didn't return until that the mania, in the COVID Mania,
we did the the Machicins, bray Wyatt, you know, but
he was part time at best, at best, and that's
kind of powers. So a lot of my I've seen
the moments while I've watched in hindsight obviously, and obviously

(09:09):
he is just even watching hindsight, He's still justified being
a motwash Eru guy Argaby the goat and that kind
of thing. A lot of the moments, or most of
the moments that I've experienced with Johnson has been in
the last five years, you know, past everything else. So
my favorite moment for me is actually from twenty twenty one.

(09:30):
It is his return at the money in the bank
because Rome I think the woman had beaten edge. I
think it was in that match, right right, and then
out of nowhere you hear the theme music, you know, drop.
There was no rumors, there was no signs, nothing of
that on the sword. It was also I believe that

(09:50):
would have been that might have been the first pl
they did with crowds.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
It was, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I'm not mistaken also too, And I remember that thing
that the show ended and and that the music dropped
and the crowd went absolutely bonkers, and I'm thinking of myself, wait,
aren't we supposed to move this guy too? Also, because
as you know, most of Johnson has run was a

(10:18):
fifty to fifty thing with a crowd where happy crowd,
crowd hate him, you know, and he ran. He still
stays the baby. He still stay Baybiace even with that.
But you know, there's a old saying, absolutely the heart
grow fonder. And I remember watching them like thinking, well,
maybe maybe now they've forgiven him, or maybe they've now
forgive him, Maybe they accepted the fact that he is

(10:39):
who he is. They missed him, and this is why
he got the reaction he did because he's he hasn't
been booed ever. Other other than the He'll turn of course,
you know this year he has been booed since you know,
so that return I mean in real time and being
experienced in real time give me get goosebumps. So for me,

(11:01):
my favorite moment of all time with John Cena is
that twenty twenty one money Bank uh reveal with woman
reigns of course, and that Liam to SummerSlam you know
later that summer. So I mean at that moment. I
watched again today actually, like wow, that was great. You
know obviously in hindsight that another woman's I you know,

(11:22):
money matchman see in Punk you know, to Worry Rumbo
two US and eight come back, which, by the way,
that one, you know, is weird. He got injured right
before that, right, but he was hurt what two months
before that, right, so.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
He had been I don't remember when exactly he got injured,
but he came back, came in two thousand and eight.
He came back like a lot earlier than I expected, right,
So it was so it was a total Everyone was
totally surprised.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
When he showed up, right, No one, Yeah, because I
was wonder why wild, that's that's a big deal, because
he was only going like two months with three months.
I mean, you see it all the time. Now, that's
not that's not really a big deal. It felt like
it was going for every year or something. That's why
I thought at the time. But the moment stands out
of course, you know, New York City, you know, shock
and Triple h the whole nine. Yeah, But now twenty

(12:16):
twenty one for me will be my favorite only because
of the fact that it was the only one of
the only few scene moments you know outside I mean,
you mean, he'll turn go stand out to also, but
to me being to see in real time, that's why
my favorite one of all. So now I have any
time to think about it.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I got I got, I got one. Okay, okay, Well,
for me, it's it was a house show because really yeah,
because in twenty fifteen, uh, I took me and my
son and one to one and yeah, this was it

(12:53):
was the first time I've ever seen you know, wrestling live.
And for a while, you know, for a few years,
we would go to something, I would take it with me,
and he's older now he's kind of you know, he's
kind of got out of it now. But we went
to that one and it's all like all the kids
knew who John Cena was, right, and it's it's a

(13:21):
big memory for me because it took me back to
when my dad took me to see how hok mm hmmm,
because the first like the first time I've seen progrestling
live and in person, my dad took me to see
how defended w w R Championship because it Terry Funk

(13:42):
And you know, that is one of those those, you know,
greatest memories ever from me. And so when I took
my son to that one, it just took it. Man,
it just took me right back there. You know.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, it's always cool when you are able to experiences
thinks chill children.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I didn't actually have my first experience, like in terms
of like with my kids, what's the last year, actually
took them to their first wrestling show, to raw and
we surprised him, of course for for that. My oldest
son's pressually too and he was, I mean, he obviously
loved it and he was stunned in the whole nine.
It's always a different it's always a perspective when you

(14:24):
go with your child to experience your passions, you know,
rescuing the passion of hours and your child is into
it too also at one point, you know, that's kind
of sort I got out of it to us a
little bit, like still watching once in a while, but
he's not like obsessed like he was years ago. He's
turned thirteen next year, so he started to get a
little more independence of his own thing, which is fine.

(14:45):
I'm not mad about that, you.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Know, but yeah, it's just you know, but for me,
it was just yeah, you know, it was yeah, it's
just it took me back, and you know, and also
I guess for me, you know, when I've talked before

(15:08):
about how people booing him and then later on people
doing Roman reigns, how that was very much right a
section of the fan base and it never did represent
the entire fan base. And I got my first taste
of that there because you know, the entire building was

(15:30):
rooting for John Cena. There wasn't any let's go seeing
a Scena sucks. It was the entire building was cheering
for John Cena. What makes you wonder, right, Yeah, yes,
because there are people who yeah, because I mean, you know,

(15:50):
there's the larger fan base, and then they're like the
kind of terminally online people like us, right, and the
people those people who booed John seen that it was.
It was mostly the determinedly online people, and a lot
of them just they don't go to house shows like that.

(16:13):
They go there, they go to Raw, they might go
to a p l E. And then you know, then
you know, but then you know again they're not they're
not the whole family. They're not even most of the
fan base. And some of them are just doing it
to be assholes. Of course, because if you because it,

(16:35):
because having gone to some pay per views and some
episodes of Raw SmackDown, you will literally see people like
the same you. You will literally see dudes say both
parts of let's go seeing the scene that sucks like that.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I believe that too.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, I mean they do. I mean so it's not
it's not even like the crowd is Friday with each
other like it's the same. It's the same dude saying
both parts of it, right, And so going to that,
going to that house show and some subsequent house shows
where the entire building was cheering for him like like
like like you know, like you're supposed to do right,

(17:18):
it was it was eye opening And then and then look,
I saw the same thing later on Roman Marines. It's
the exact same thing, and so just it was it
was educational about the fan base but also but just

(17:39):
as far as but for me it was just yeah,
it was a great Nostalia trip for me just because
you know, it took me back to when my dad
had first taken me to see a wrestling show. So
for me, it was September of twenty fifteen. We went
to a house show, my son and I and the
main event was John c and the versus Keron Owens.

(17:59):
For the stage.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
At the time, Kevin Wan was new to the roster.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I think, right, yeah, he just come to the roster
a few months before that.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yes, right there you go. Yeah, So yeah, like I said,
I think next week we'll do like another more No
More Labyrinth Sena tribute show because I want to take
in this weekend because I, like I said, like I'm
not I guess I said last thing the podcast, the
last time you did the show. I personally as invested
in this Sena for real tour because of the one

(18:30):
I've been so convoluted anyway, like he turned heel and
then four months later he's back to baby face for
no rhyme or reason, you know, but also understanding though,
you know, at least now when I'm when I'm when
I'm really learning, I want to really starting to appreciate
with him though, is what he means to the industry
and him as a person, and what and why he's

(18:52):
so authentic and you know, giving him back to the
industry that put put into him. And again I'm not
saying this to the spirits hul Cogan, because you know,
hull Cogan is my guy because he was my era.
But everything that the Hull Cogan was in the eighties,
you know, save prayers, videms Beeve himself, the whole nine,
the whole the three Demandments, the four demandments. Really it's

(19:14):
really John Cena. John Cena isn't one of the living
up to that really in those standards. In a different
way of course, but he's he's He's what I always
though Hull Cogan was. And if you told my representative
of the company and an ambassador to the company he is,
I would say, I don't think it's even arguable. I
think he is the greatest ambassador of the w W
in history. I think him and undertaker, the two guys

(19:36):
look at as like, okay, one of two guys him
and undertaker, two guys I look at like, if you
took the two guys, who are the best employees ever,
those number one of two guys's employees ever this company.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, and that is I yeah, I agree with you
there because it's just take I'm just kinda because you know,

(20:13):
I guess the Hogan was supposed to be that and
you know, yeah, and then and and and even even
you know, the stuff that happened you know, off the
field so to speak, you know, not even counting that. Yeah,

(20:35):
and then.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Because don't get you don't get a feeling that he
politic the same way Hogan did. I'm sure he political
a little bit the same Hogan did.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, No, I think, Okay, so there are definitely there
there's some stories about there about him, you know, basically
vetoing a couple of losses. Yeah, but the names I heard,
you know that were suggested were people I mean I

(21:08):
think he did as a favor really and look honestly,
because look as I've gotten older, I am I am
much less critical of particularly you know, the bigger name
people saying no to losing to certain people because look, look,
this is a job, is their career. That's the way

(21:30):
you need to look at it. If your boss suggested
some some bullshit you or something that you thought was
some bullshit, and you have the option of not doing it,
you would say no right.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
To the situation too, Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And also if you're if you're in the position he's in, Yeah,
I mean, it's who you lose to is important, and
you should be losing the people that you know if
you're going to take a lot of it to somebody
who can someone who's good enough to actually do something
with it, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Or somebody perfect perody for example that twenty fourteen losing
the Broc and not just lose the Bronc the way
he lost the Brock. He got dominated, right, and you
should row a whole call. Ever do that, no ever.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Now? And also, I mean again, there's a you know,
there's a time, and you know again, but it's who
you know, you should know who you lose to. It
should be somebody basically who's worthy of the victory and
who can do something with it, or somebody or somebody
who has already you know, proven their place.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
And he explained that he explained that too in the
podcast with Bill seven. It's like he explained that the
whole Holgan Don Hogan. They hadn't lost the Brock in
SummerSlam because Simmons was there, because Simmons mentioned that match,
because Simmons was actually at that match, and he explained
something that it makes it has to make sense, and
putting Brock over had to make. It made sense because
brocka just came off the women to take her, you know,

(23:18):
aning streak and then you know, months later you're going
and he dominateing John c and that it guided the company.
So it made sense to because Brock at that time
was a monster and it was built a monster and
he in him going through scene as well to watso
put him over, but it made sense and it never
heard him and the end didn't hurt him. Just told
a great story.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, and that's the biggest thing, I mean, because like
him when Austin didn't want to lose the bron because
all said there was no story. And when when there's
no story to it, it doesn't when there's no story too,
it doesn't help anybody, no, not at all. And so yeah,
I mean he so yes, he did, he did veto
losing to a few people. But there's a differ. But

(24:00):
just I mean again, there's a difference. I mean he
didn't like Hogan, you know, like the star K ninety
seven thing, you know, literally showed up the day of
the show and decided to change the finish. Yeah, Sina,
I don't think, as far as I know, didn't do

(24:23):
that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
No, pret fair though, w W and w though. I mean,
you know, dealing with Vince was a dealing with bishop
of two different worlds there, Hogan, Hogan was Bo's boss.
Just you real about that? Yeah, what all these equals?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, yeah, yes, Arlington's verboses, yes, but yeah, like it's's
basically Seena. Seena ultimately was or is what guys like
we got Hogan supposed to be right, So to that end,
I mean he's he's more in you know, I mean,

(25:09):
he's more like Bruno really because it's I mean, no,
of course Bruno before both of our times, but just
having him some of the things I've read about him
or for people who worked back then talking about him, Uh,
Bruno was one of those guys that you know, made
sure all the boys got paid properly when he was

(25:29):
on the show. Yeah, you know you and now and
of course I'm seeing it didn't have to worry about
that kind of thing because you know, the pay scale
was different than busted now. But you know, and just
the way all the i mean all the current people

(25:50):
have you know, just talked about haven't gotten advice from
him and you know and whatnot, and yeah, then look
at he is. In fact, he just he signed a contract.
But in the last few days it's like to be
basically an ambassador now, right, and.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's like another like is that kind of a lleged
contract in the sense, but.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I guess, but I mean it's but I mean, he's
got to do he said, Well, Hogan's long or with
his bobviously, but even when he's still alive, he was
kind of tarnished, you know, the life ten years, you know,
the tarnished beyond any ability to spend it or whatever.
And then yeah, you know he said, Austin has you know,

(26:38):
he he's got some things that you know, his record,
did you know that guy?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I mean, honestly, we forget that Steve Austin has a
lot of like really shady ship in his you know,
I think it's worse than shady honestly domestic violence stuff
there that you know, if that was done today, like
even ten years after it happened, he'd be officized to also.
But I think we forget it happened. He was I
don't think was in the company at the time when

(27:05):
it happened, because that was around the times that around
the time when he was love the company for a
couple months.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It might have been. But well, he very wisely. I
think that's a really big reason why he stays on
his ranch and you know, he pops ahead of it
if he's coming in actually to work, you know, every
now and then you'll see him. But other than that,

(27:33):
he you know, he goes on his ranch or farm
or whatever he has, and he goes out there and
he keeps to himselves.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Very self aware.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, I mean, he's so far enough to know that
if he was out there in the public eye twenty
four to seven, that it might prompt some people to
dig into some things, right, real smart, you know. And
then and then you know, like like Rick Flare's a mask. Yeah,
you know, Rocks, I mean, Rock is the he's a hollow.

(28:08):
Rock is a Hollywood guy. So even though I mean
he's very much still associated with but for all intents
and purposes, he's the Hollywood guy him.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, he's he's been part time for over twenty years, so.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah. I mean, if you want a
guy to be the ambassador, it's it's seeing the guy.
I mean, I want her soon and so he sounds
like a five year conduct I think to do that
or something. So well.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
This week will be his last match at this year's
Senatement event, which will take place of course in Washington,
d C. At the Capitol One Arena in your uh
look of the woods sort of.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And I wanted to go, but it costs too much.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean, everything else is to talk too much. Tag
line for the show is called the Real Last, the Last,
Real Champion, one last time. There are four matches schedule
for this thing. Is that to the first one? Here?
First the Championship, the champions champion match Cody Rhodes. It
was the w champion wis O Femi the NXT champions
won on this past Sunday. I'm not mistaken. Yes, so

(29:20):
has he has he been called up to the man roster?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeat? No? He he just won the NXT Championship back
so I imagine he's gonna be sticking around at least
a few more months.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Up there is this is this a test case here
to see how he fits with the the big boys?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
That might be probably, I think, and I mean he should.
He'll be fine once he gets up there. I suspect
that since Seena is I'm not saying, since Cody is
in the midst of a I think feud Drew McIntyre
I met. I mean, I think they We're probably gonna

(29:55):
see Drew show up, turn the match and get involved.
Of course, now whether that means you know, it may
just be like a disqualification or something, or yeah, That's
what I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Is going to happen, right coley Field Wines match aoutter
What this is more about what we're over stacks about
the big boys, I think, honestly, and look, I haven't
followed over for me personally, but from what people tell me,
this kid is he's good, oh.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, yeah, And I mean, look, he he's still he
can use some more experience down there, just to get
get more experience.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
And yeah, of course, and.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Because look I'm not honestly, because I'm not opposed to
letting people stay down there for two or three years. Yeah,
and so they so they know exactly who they are
when they get up on the manor roster.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
And and you know, why would you want to come
up in a roster with its very crowd anyway.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Where's the other thing? Yeah, that's the other thing, right,
because look, he's somebody who like he should be getting
you know, he should be winning world championships and should
be main event eight.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Calling him up too early where the field is crowded
as a real easy way to get him, get him stuck,
you know. And so you don't want that.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, I'm the coding this one, all right. Next match,
you have bai Le versus soul Ruka.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Okay, so soul Ruka as a has a fringe slash
tag you partner who she's been going through some kind
of they've been going basically they're in the kind of
stages of what looks to be like a long breakup.
So there's a really good chance that this is where
the turn happens. So it wouldn't surprise me if that's

(31:52):
all friends and partner sorry, yeah, turned on her Saturday
or cost of the matter, some kind of way.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Is Billy still doing the whole bipolar like different thing
that's going on in Florida.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I mean it's I think she's kind of toned it
down the last few weeks, but I think she's still
doing it. She hasn't, they haven't dropped it. Okay, it's
just well she hasn't been on Uh, she hasn't been
on TV for as much the last few weeks.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
So right, was it a shame because she's so good?
Still love her.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
And you know, now this is just you know, internet talk,
but I mean there are some people in social media
and who think she might be moving on because her
all reports seeing her contract is up so next year sometimes, so.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
They won't surprised you that want surprised me.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I wouldn't be surprised either way, because h m hm,
I mean I think you know, when she's finished, she's
but when she's done wrestling, she's gonna she's gonna be
she'll be working for for w W uncapacity agent, agent,
trainer or something or other. Yes, and she's starting to
get it like she did actually did like a whole

(33:18):
seminar this past weekend. Uh huh, So she's she's gonna
be doing that when she's finished. But it wouldn't surprise
me honestly if yeah, because well it wasn't surprising me
either way, because just because she's a w W lifer.

(33:42):
But I could also see her kind of looking at
the landscape right now and thinking that, Okay, if if
this is all they got for me, then you know,
it'd be good idea just to go spending in the
next years somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, especially the time when a women's division is really
crowded and it's getting more crowded and there's really no
space for it to really elevate really to where she
was five years ago, because right now the top spot
is held up by Riah Bianco be back some point,
you know, you have you know a lot of other
girls are calling out the roster right now that there was.
Even though she's good enough to do it, I don't

(34:26):
know if the company has the appetite to want to
put it put it into her hands again.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
And also, I mean, again, we don't know these we
don't know these people, but it really seems it appears
that she's too damn nice and too you know, probably.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Twice that.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, and so you got it in. Yeah, there are
times where you gotta be you gotta be anshole a
little bit roofless. I agree, So it wouldn't surprise me
your away because her real life, you know, best friend
wrestling is over an aw, so it's not like she
wouldn't get taken care of over there.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Right exactly. And plus their best friends there too also
on top of that. So yeah, so anyway, we got
a world Tag Team Talent match between aj Styles and
Dragon Lee versus Javan Evans and Leon Slater. What a
Dragon Lee win a title?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Uh? I best that about a month ago?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh how you know I'm out? You know, I mean,
but look I warned you guys. Like this time of year,
with football and basketball and everything going on in content wise,
it's hard for me to to watch wrestling as much
as I normally do. Now, come next next month, now
where rumble time, I'm back in. So are Jamal Evans

(35:50):
and Leons Slater? Are they NXT guys? Also?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh? Leon Slater is actually TNA guy okay? And Jamal
Evans is an XT guy. He's really good. He's really young.
But yeah, they're both really good and they're both doing
they're both of me doing big things, you know down
the road, and I imagine that at some point, maybe

(36:16):
at some point in the future, you know, you know,
Leon Slater are going to be over in w W
Land also mhm, but this should be a fun man
really because well the actually look, the tag team scenes
actually woke up a little bit when they put the
when a J and Dragonly won the tag team titles. Yeah,

(36:39):
because they're actually doing something with it now, which kind
of giving up on it.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Also, it is something to do also because he's also
on the way out where he soon too. Also, he
keeps saying that this contract's oh he's done, which could
be with the next year or two.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, well he said that twenty twenty six is it, Oh, okay,
go yeah, history that's not Yeah, he made an official Yeah,
twenty twenty six is gonna be last year. And he
said point blank is that he Look, he doesn't want
to be stumming around or whatever. You know, he like,

(37:14):
he wants he wants you know, he when he goes,
he wants to go. Wow. People you know, still thinking,
you know, he's the same as he's always been.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I know it's true or not, but I think I
read somewhere that, uh, he's something he had said that, uh,
once retires, he's shaving his head. He ja, yeah, I
know it's true or not, but that's why that's why
I read and thin nothing is real and everything could
be real.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Who knows about well, I can't seem shaving is in bald.
I can see him just cutting his hair because look,
I mean yeah, because look, I mean you know he's
putting product in his hair and everything.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
You know, and.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I mean he actually he has he has to actually
manage that, you.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Know, as someone who has to who doesn't have hair.
He has great hair.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, so you know.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
So anyway, so I'm I'm picking the other champs still
to retain here. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt about that.
And of course the match, the reason why we're here
in the first place, it is John cen Is retirement
match would be him John Cena against Gunta. Do you

(38:28):
have no problem with the Gun being his final opponent?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Do you no? The final opponent it needs to be.
It just needs to be a worthy opponent.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
I mean, you don't get more.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Honestly to me, that's that's the most important thing. I
don't ye know, I don't subscribe to this idea. It
needs to be some younger person that you're putting a
spotlight on him. Whatever. I don't I don't subscribe to that.
Your final opponent just needs to be a worthy opponent.
With that mean that's what that's, you know, because that's
the way I say it.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I am curious though, what they do with this, because
if you're putting Gunther as the final opponent for John Cena,
wh's by way, they also made opponent for Goldberg early
in the year, Yeah, it means something. And this has
to mean something going forward for Gunther And I've been

(39:23):
saying already that I think it's a very good chance
he'll be he will be in the title picture again
by WrestleMania. I don't know how they book them and
whatnot in terms of Bayface, He'll you know, tween or
whatever it be. But I I think this is gonna
be mean something for Groother moving forward. Like there's no way,

(39:43):
there's no way seen him was his match. I don't
see it. I don't see it, and I'm serially see
it's okay with that more than okay with that obviously,
But I think he should You think Sina should win?
Yes against Goother?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Explain why?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Because he's he's the superhero, he's a good guy. You know,
nobody's paying to see him lose his last match.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Okay, I mean it was Donald Misterio, I get it.
But goother.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
And and what I mean one one one one last
villain to overcome.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Because I don't disagree with what you said about there,
about the fact that you know what I mean, if
you're going out, you have to lose. I agree with
you on that. That's just that's stupid, and I'm with you.
What I'm saying though, is that, however, I look at
the qull the opponent who also you're facing your gooper's
goother bro and and.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
If you're the all time superhero superheroes, then yet you
get your last you you, that's who you beat. You
beat one last final boss type the dude on your
way and you ride off into the sunset.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
The massic question me asked a question as passing a
sign about that are you picking seeing the winners match?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I'm rooting for him the winner's match.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I think everybody win this match. No, But do you
think no?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
No? But see weirdos who think that over you have
to put some money over.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I's what I agree with you. Googleing is gonna be
put over Google. Google. Google's already over. You know what
I'm saying, but I do why go ahead, go ahead ahead,
But we.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Obsessed too much with that. Okay, make some good television,
tell a good story. Okay, that should come first. All
this notion of well, this person needs to put this
person over. No that that's that's that's second or third. Okay,
make some good television, tell a good story.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I will say this, the company's in a good job
last two years and softening us to the idea of
Cooper could lose a match or two. He lost the
Sam Muse last year at WrestleMania, he lost to Jay
Husso for the world title. It is WrestleMania. So at
the very least, they've done a good job in creating

(42:22):
a narrative that, you know what, Gunther is dominant, but
he can lose. So that's why I can buy the idea.
I've seen him in his match at the at the
end of this whole thing, and that's why.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
If anybody can beat him, Miss John Cena, he can.
I mean, when when I'm talking about some guy in
the some mid carter who's some underdog mid card guy,
we're not talking about that John.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
He can win. I don't think he will Winna.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, I have a feeling that they're gonna has to
They're gonna succumb to the I w C logic losing.
They're gonna lose. Yes, I'm just feeling that that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I mean, seems to put anybody over on the way out.
He put cod over, he put freaking rock over, he
put dominic over. Recently, now he's gonna put like I
guess not.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
It's not necessary. It's not needed. It really isn't. And
for once, Look, yeah, simplest answer is usually right. And
the simplest answer is that you know, Superman wins on
the way out the door. Yeah, all right, you know
I mean that that I mean, that's the simplest answer.

(43:42):
Or or you know, the one last round up for
in the Western right what you know, Yeah, that guy
wins like even you know, even if he gets killed
in the process, like because sometimes you know, but he
still wins. Okay, you know the other you're the hero.
You've been the hero for all these years you've been
you know, you win your last fight, that's how Yes,

(44:07):
you should you should win. You should you should accomplish,
you should be successful in your final mission. Okay, I
feel you. I feel you, especially especially if you're going
against the heel. Now, if he was if if it
was a you know, if there was a if he

(44:28):
was wrestling a baby face, then yeah, they could have
a you know, they could go out there and they
could have a great magine. He could lose, and he
could shake Gouy's hand or whatever. But he's going against
the heel, and this is good versus evil one more time,
and he should win. And again I could again, don't

(44:48):
you know the feeling that they probably won't do that
because you know, again they're you know, I think they're
gonna this is WC idiots. Yeah, yes, yes, and so yeah, yeah,
I mean so, you know, it's just I think that's
what's gonna happen. But I'm hoping they don't. I hope

(45:10):
that they just do the simple thing and book him
to win and give people one more you know, happy
ending with him.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah. Having said that, I think Senior will not win.
I think will win. Yeah, there's that all right. If
we get out of here, let's do another version of
heel for his face. But it's been little Watson did this.
I took out five wrestlers, superstars from various companies, well
mostly don't be pretty much, but that were once upon

(45:39):
a time either a heel or facing their careers for
any era. And we're gonna disco debate and see if
ex wrestler was a better heel or face throughout their career.
All right, first one, let's go Becky Lynch. Becky Lynch,
was she better heel, a better face?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I think earlier on in a career she was better
as a baby face, But now on her wholemo Earlier
in her career was she was she was the plucky underdog,
you know, and that's just not believable now, I mean
she's she's you know, she's won every championship she's made
them at of WrestleMania. Like you're you're not the underdog, Okay,

(46:20):
you know you can you can tell you can tell people,
you can keep trying to sell yourself as that, but
you're not. So I think now she's better. Now she's
better off as a heel.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Funny because like I never wastna say heel, but I'm
gonna still say fakes only because the fact that I
when I came back to watching twenty nineteen. She was
high to power of the biggest star in the company,
and she was the quintessential baby face. And when she
first turned heel in twenty twenty one, I didn't like it.

(46:53):
I thought it was this, it was forced, it was grabby.
Was was this trying things to trying things? But this
heels she's doing now, she's done. This year has stuck
the landing little more so, while I will still save face,
it is a lot more closer now than it used
to be. If you had asked you this question two
years ago, I said, definitely bayfaced with a bullet, not

(47:15):
nine clothes. But now to your point, she's not She's
not an underdog. She's she's she's she's done everything, and
she's done everything. She's now you know where she's at now,
She's where Brett Hart was in ninety six, ninety seven,
you know what I'm saying. So she's she, you know,
an under dog. He just whiney is point now? So

(47:37):
I almost a baby face only because she's hot hors
and was store her top of her game as a
Bayface as the man back in that twenty nineteen twenty
twenty So all right, next one here, Edge or Adam Copeland,
we call him a copeks he better heeled, better face. Ooh,

(47:57):
this is tougher actually.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Well, all right, because again I'll say.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Now, like.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Especially since he came back, you know, baby Face, because
it's just again he's at he's at this stage in
his career, just nobody's being him, right right, and so
it I mean so definitely this on this stage of
his career since he came back, baby Face. Let's see,

(48:28):
I wasn't watching when when he was doing the whole
rated our superstar thing and all that.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
He was like, I was, he's killing but he was
killing it though I watched at heindsight he was killing it.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
So yeah, I mean so at that point, yeah, I said,
at that point he was probably better as a heel.
And then you know when Edge and Christian were you know,
teaming up their an attitude there and they were taking
champions aver the heels and they then so you know,
again earlier in his career heel. Yes, but now I'd say, baby.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
That was tough for me because I would argue his
best work of his career was done as a heel,
and watching a highlight his star stuff in the two thousands,
his few with Taker, his few with Uh. I think
he here with with Sina a couple of times. I

(49:23):
can argue that that's his best work. But the work
I've seen mostly to his career between nineteen ninety eight
and now has mostly been bay face.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
You know, yeah stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I'll go heel only because of the fact that I
acknowledge the fact that his best work was done in
that whole thing, like his best work, you know, with
him and Leader together and doing the whole thing with
Matt Hardy. That's his best work I think for for
that alone. That's the uh. That's the difference between you know,
the work he's done is a bay face, I think

(50:02):
is that he's done his high of powers has been
when he was a heel. So I'll give him that,
But that shit's closer than me. Lize two also, so
I'll go hell, all right, next one here, how about
Kevin Owen's better heel, A better face?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I say hell, But he's he's kind of he's kind
of hindered because there's a section of the audience that
doesn't want to go on because you know, they've been
kind of riding with him ever since he was Kevin
Stein the Ring of Honor and yeah, and so because

(50:47):
of that, you know, they regardless and what he's doing
as a character, but I think he yeah, I do
think he's a better heel because he can get to
that really plays of being really like sick and twisted
and demented as a heel.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I've seen both obviously in real time. I love both
in real time. There was a time where he was
doing the whole like you know, Stoke called Steve Boston
Ribs something like green in twenty nineteen. He was a
stutter and all that stuff. But honestly, you look at
his work, his best works as a heel. To me,
he works better as an asshole. He works better as

(51:31):
that that you know, that cocky, arrogant, you know, kick ass,
you know, fuck you, you know whatever I'm gonna do
with you know what, that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
It works as a hell. It's a bay face too,
but it's different as a heel. It just it just
hits more as a heel. His best matches also the
heel as well too. His stuff are Roman, well, all
the suffer Roman. He was a bay face all the time.
But but a lot of stuff he's done in recent years,
the Cody feud recently it was amazing. Yeah, and he

(52:03):
works at the heel. You know, I think it's best
works to heel, honestly, but I know one's close because
he's done some really good things. A baby face two
also that you know makes you think, whoah, you know
he put the companies back, who knows, But I think
it's still heal for me. So all right, two more here,

(52:23):
let's go with uh, let's go tax team here, the
Heart Foundation, better heel, better face.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Okay, So I want to say baby Face because they
showed more personality m hmm when they're baby facings, especially
a night Hard you know, some of those promos and whatnot.
When they were heels. I mean, Brett was always a

(52:51):
great rest. But I mean you could have I mean
you could have swapped them with some other heel team
and gotten the same kind of results. So I'd say
baby Face. I think they did better work as baby faces.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, I agree with you. And remember that came in
w and I think eighty forty five as heels and
stayed heels for a couple of years through up to
eighty eight, and him and Jimmy Hart and they have
some great works to heal, great work. Their first tag
team title run was as a as heels, but the

(53:30):
whole demented Gym Knight hard thing as you mentioned it,
and you're so right about that, it was actually more effect.
It was the baby face though. He was crazy, but
it was likable crazy, you know what I'm saying, whereas
you know, as a heels like, oh, well, yeah, he's
doing the heels Tennessee thing, but but he's doing as
a baby face though, was like that's kind of cool actually,

(53:51):
so I'm gonna go baby face too. Also because I
love their late eighties, the late eighties run or Landi's run,
especially when one of the tas titles in ninety because
Demolition Summers that was a great one. Who also love
that run and the baby's at times, So yeah, I'm

(54:12):
a Baybace two. Also, I really enjoyed that run, especially
so without Jimmy Hart, especially all right, and finally last
one here, this would be a good one there the
Big boss Man better heel.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Better face, I'm to heel because like the essence of
the character, he was a corrupt you know, uh policeman
who you know, overstepped his authority, and yeah, it was
much better as a heel. You know, like when you like,

(54:48):
you know, the whole bit of like handcuffing people, beating
out of them with the yeah night stick, you know
that obviously he's gonna do as a baby face right now,
Look that that's a character that well, that character wouldn't
work too well.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Today, that little flat thing going on there.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, buddy, yeah, you know that that that that that
you know that that wouldn't work too well today. Yeah,
but no, that was definitely a heel character. And again
because again even when when he was a babyface, there

(55:28):
wasn't really again like that you know, the person No,
the personality, the kind of deeper aspects of the character
didn't really come into play very much, whereas when you
when he was a heel, you know that that those
parts of it, you know, came in to play more.
And then also later on, I mean the whole bit

(55:50):
with the big shows Dad's funeral, Yeah, I mean that
was tacky. It was a really poor taste. That ship
was hilarious. I don't care, So I'm gonna go with
you on that one.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Definitely a heel, heel character, the whole nine. But I'm
gonna say this though, in defense of the of the
bay face character of Big Lost Man. It worked for
the short run it did in ninety it worked. It
actually worked. That bayface Bibosser had no had no business working,

(56:27):
and it worked.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
So it was.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
It was pretty good as a bayface with Hogan, you
know whatnot anyone want nice title gains perfect seven. But
ultimately the character itself, the peak of the character, the
reason why it worked when the word goes, the reason
why you booked with Hogan immediately when the when he
guns in the company in eighty eight, because the heel
character and the whole as you mentioned, coming to the

(56:52):
to the ring post and that whole thing him and
slicked together was great. I mean even when he did
the rebirth of the character in the late nineties and
yeah the era you know, yeah, I thought that was
pretty cool too. Also, yeah, while it did, it was
not a Fiellers debab base at all, I thought, working
with the baby base. But the better part of that
character was the heel you know. So, I mean again,

(57:17):
Big boss Man, when I stat watch wrestling eighty seven,
eighty eight and when he came out and stopped messing
with Hogan and timing up to be freaking the railing
and whacking him in the back and oh my gosh, no,
that that's actually a massive that's actually a big childhood
and flex point for myself. It really is, you know,

(57:41):
Hogan sai on. So it's Bossman beating the ship out, Hogan,
you know what I'm saying. So see it's it's gotta hell,
it's gotta be he aliterately.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
So you know, I was I was surprised that they
put him with Hogan from the beginning because you know,
I remember him big Bubba Rogers and he was he
was Jimmy Corny's bodyguard. Yeah, and the way they introduced

(58:10):
him so was so great because like basically like Dusty
whacked him over the head like a wood wooden chair
and he just no soul the ship and just pulled
the chair off from around his neck like threw it
on the ground like like what is that all you got?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yeah? Better better diver better heel Ultimore. So anyway, good show,
Today's always robbed and anything. Want to plug it on
your new podcast coming soon.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
I recorded him stuff. I'm trying to get get this
one wrapped up before next Sunday because I got some
more shador stuff to talk about.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
This is just.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Just been comical. I mean, you know, I mean because
like he's a fifth round pick and he's well, he's
like a fifth round pick, which means he had two
mediocre games and he had one really good game on
his past Sunday. And that's kind of what fifth round
picks do. Their mediocre sometimes and occasionally they're good, and

(59:14):
it's being made out to being so much more than.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
What stat.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
I got.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I got a three by that too. Welso I think
Kevin Stefanski is trying to get fired.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well, okay, I'll say this. I was not buying into
any of the the you know, any of the tenfoil
had stuff. I was not buying into any of it
until this past Sunday. Yeah, because that boy had three
hundred and sixty yards, three to four touchdowns and ran
ran for a fifth touchdown. Mm hm, and you take

(59:50):
him out of the game on a two point conversion
like that is in the splittablely stupid and yeah, because
you know, a guy on we Gotta tried to explain that, Well,
they've been running those plays from the two point conversions
all the season Sola and then you know, and but

(01:00:12):
they take the quarterback out of the game like no, no, okay,
when your quarterback is having that kind of game, you
don't take him off the field, and especially don't take
him off the field that runs of bullship. Yeah, trick
play where you put the running back in the quarterback
and he's supposed to do a bunch of stuff and no,
he don't know. So I put it this way again,

(01:00:35):
I'm not ten foldhead guy in general, but Stefanski this
past Sunday, he gave a lot of fuel to tenfol
ahead people and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Things and things. I'm a Semansky fan, but that's uh,
that was a bad look.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
It was, I mean, because kind of thing like the
last because again, his first two games he was mediocre. Right,
you can look at the stat lines, and the stat
lines are mediocre, and they're you know, so the first
two weeks, you know, you could have Stefansky would have

(01:01:16):
been justified and whatever decision he wanted to make, if
you want to put him on the bench or take
him off for certain plays or whatever, you know, those
first two weeks, it would have made sense. He would
have been justified. This week.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
No, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
You know you can't, you can't, and it was just
it's just and yeah, I think I think you might
be right, because here's the thing, all right. You know,
they got Deshaun Watson still two hundred million dollars guaranteed.
They're stuck with him, and if he you know, if

(01:01:53):
if he ever gets healthy enough to play, like you
have to play him because you're paying him two hundred
million dollars. Right, But he wasn't looking too good when
he got hurt, so you know, he's not very good.
And then they drafted two guys, you know, they drafted
Shadur and they drafted Dylan Gabriel, and Dylan Gabriel stinks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yeah, he's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
And Chadur is still a fifth round pick, which means that,
you know what, he's gonna look good sometimes and sometimes
he ain't. And you know, and you know, so he's
more than likely not somebody. He's not your long term quarterback. Okay,
I don't think he is, so just look your stuff

(01:02:38):
with a whole lot of bad options at quarterbacks, and
so yeah, he probably would feel better off just you
know what, let me get out here. And basically, you know,
he's just wait to get out of there, do something,
just just do stupid thing as called you to lose games,

(01:03:01):
and you know, so yeah, I imagine if I yeah,
I mean, but I don't this whole idea that you
know what, you're trying to sabotage his career. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I can just stop it. I mean, do you really
think he do you think he do you think he

(01:03:22):
has some personal issue with with the kid they drafted
in the fifth round? Did he he wanted to sabotage
his career when again, he's a fifth round draft pick.
You don't have to sabotage anything. Okay, He's gonna play
mediocre plenty enough times. Well, you don't have to sabotage anything, okay. Yeah.

(01:03:47):
So I just think that's I just think it's dumb.
I mean, it's it's sometimes it's funny, you know, yeah,
you know, but just just saying just hearing like the
just the lunacy of some of these you know, radio
hosts and people on TV or whatever, some of that entertaining,

(01:04:08):
but it's just it's yeah, I mean, it's just yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Well hope hopefully hear more of the commentary on the
on the I'm I'm sure thing I enjoyed the last
episode you did about that weeks ago, and of course
you can follow me on a E J. Christian number
seven Falsecott, NYMWY. Of course a part of the Earth
Speaking podcast. We will talk to you guys soon, hoping
to the show next week. We have a special show
for you guys next week as well too. Until next episode,

(01:04:36):
we'll talk to you guys. Enjoy the end of Sena
on this Saturday.

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