October 9, 2025 • 47 mins
Earnest ‘EJ’ Christian and Rob The Genius discuss the ongoing feud between Bret Hart and Eric Bischoff then preview this weekend’s WWE Crown Jewel PLE from Perth Australia.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
The new Falls counts anywhere, and it must have been
(01:05):
about a couple of weeks we got in here to
do a show.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
But again I'm your host, Ernest EJ.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Christian recorded this on Wednesday night, Octember eight, twenty twenty
five in the be Go whole Week for Clown Jewel
in Perth, Australia, and we'll preview that show in just
a second.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But of course we do this show every single one.
We try every week anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
But you know I said fall time, Fall Timers is
pretty much listen, this is the podcast you know that
the fall between September and and December's typically where I
am massively busy, to the point where resting content does
a little suffer a little bit because I am sol
invested in football, baseball playoffs some years.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
In the election. You know, basketballs back soon, so there's
a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
We're here, of course, with the band Robert Genius, one
third of the Mindless Rest of Podcasts, also the host
of the I Guess Bye Week sometimes pre weekly or
whatever maybe Robert Gas podcast, Rob What's Up?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Buddy? I basically brother, what was going on?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Hey? What's going on? Man? Gonna be back? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Sir, Yes, sir, so we got a big we got
a big show.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The preview this week I showed I'm not I'm not
gonna watch because umber one, the damn shows at o'clock
in the morning, I gotta work.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And number two, I still have not gotten the ESPN
app yet.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And I'm still fighting the corporations here on that one.
As we said last time on the show. And we'll
get to the preview in the show in just a second.
But I didn't want to start the show talking about
a topic. And this is an old topic and it
deals with Brett Hart and Eric Bischoff. And I don't
know when this quote was made by Eric Bischoff. So
(02:41):
you remember, obviously Brett Hart, you know, fourteen years of
w W and then left and obviously none is left,
but you know got kicked out if you think about it,
in ninety seven after the Montrell screw drive. All that
goes w w W. That whole thing's a failure.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Obviously we've seen everything since then. You know, every's come
the past.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Eric Bischoff has reflected recently on Brett Hart and his
time in WW and.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Bischoff had a very strong quote.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Again, I don't know when his quote was done, that's
weeks whatever, but this is quote here. Brett Hart was
the most overrated guy I ever worked with. He thought
he was ten times better than he really was. He
came into ww with his chip on his shoulder acting
like he was never was gonna say the company. Truth is,
Brett never drew money with us. He didn't move the
needle and he didn't want to adapt. He just wanted
(03:28):
to keep living off the WWF days. Brett was bitter,
he was difficult, and he wasn't the block room leader
he thought he was. People talk about him being the
best there is, the best there was and the best
will be. But to me, he was the most overhyped
talent I've ember signed. That's the reality. Eric Bischoff on
Brett Hart. That's some really harsh words.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Now Brett Hart has actually commented about Bischoff in the past.
I'm gonna play that video for real quick and we're
gonna react to it.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
A good thing to say about Eric Bischoff for anything
he ever did. That guy was Tuck with the Midas touch.
He was the opposite. He could kill your career. He
was too stupid to know what a career was or
that that actual passion. It's like if you have passion
for your matches and you have a genius for for
for wrestling, talent didn't mean anything there, Bischoff. He was
(04:21):
the worst loser maggot that ever got into wrestling.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He was just the worst.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I had nothing.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
He's a nice nuff guy, but he was.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
He was just the worst.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
He was. I feel so bad because I went to
w CW really want to make a difference. And I
think if you look at WCW and all the names
that they had and all the wrestlers and all the
other things, they had everything. All they needed was somebody
that knew what to do.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
All right, Rob, we know the history of w CW
those years. You know the Battle, the Night Wars and
w WWWW. Bret hardcore is right in the middle of that.
Here the whole thing. Your thoughts on the grumpy old.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Men, Well, tell us how you feel. Brett.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's funny look at a video.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I think sometime I want to AI, but Brett is
really that that direct and honest though.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Oh look, Brett will give it to you straight every time,
and so you know you have to give him that.
Whether you agree with what he's saying or not. He's yeah,
he he doesn't lie. He tells you exactly how he feels.
And well, yeah, his time there was kind of it
(05:39):
was cursed because one, well he had no intentions of
ever going there in the first place. So yeah, it
was very abrupt him even you know, showing up there.
And then yeah, I don't think they were expecting the
E would have him available, you know, so I think
(06:00):
they weren't sure what to do with him really because
when he came in, they didn't have a story or anything.
Like one night they just said, well, they said, well,
well Brett Harder will be here and he's joined it.
He's part of the nWo, and like it's made no
sensible or anything. And so he shows up and then
(06:25):
he said Starkade ninety seven and he was supposed to
be like the special forcer or something, and right, yeah,
and it was I mean, it was just messy because
it was and that was just really strange.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And most people, yeah, most of most peop will say
that the downfall started that night in start A ninety seven.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yeah, I mean, like it may not have officially, like
from a business standpoint, not yet, but creatively and yeah,
I mean that was the beginning of the end because
they can completely crap the bed with that finish.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, so bad, bro so bad.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, I mean they should have had I mean that,
I mean that was they wrestled many of forty I
mean basically yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And and it's supposed to be just so easy.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Just I mean that you had that you know, multi
year storyline, and all you have to do was have
Sting beat Hogan and just have him went straight up. Yeah,
even if he hasn't run intoor whatever, he should have.
He should either pin him one two three or put
him in the you know, scorpion death locking and tapped
him out in the middle of the ring. And and
(07:49):
they didn't. And it was just this convoluted thing because
Howell Hogan didn't want to play ball, and I think
he changed his mind the day of the show or
something and held he had this you know, bullshit excuse
that the Sting didn't look like he was serious that
(08:13):
night or something or other. And m it was just
I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
He was he was doing from the start. That the
environment alone made it made it bad.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Like the thing is, there were too many chiefs in
the in the Kitchen and nine eighty seven, it was Hogan,
it was Hall in Nash, there was Sting, there was
you know, flair. You bring Brett Hanton also to he
probably he looked as as a leader, as a chief
as well too. And then you know, and again when
you have Eric Bischoff who's trying to please everybody and whatnot.
(08:45):
And then at the top again this is where Vince
mc man really is. You know, we love Vince. This
is where Vincent Man is why he is the greatest
promoter of all time because everything went through Vincent Man.
There's nothing that got unless there's man improved it. Okay,
So they were just it was not like a talent
(09:06):
this this this is I mean, rob this is not
me an argument w w W w w W had
more talent, better talent on the roster between ninety seven
and ninety nine, even in the the waiter years than
w w F.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The problem is stuff didn't ulize the properly because they
were so disorganized.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean, if we're talking just if I'm just
looking at the names on the roster, how good they
were that look that like ninety seven ninety eight w
c W roster that might have been like the most
talented roster of all time.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yep. I mean you just run through the names.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I mean it was you know, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Savage, Luger, Flair, Flair, Diamond,
Dallas Page. Yeah, it's Ben, Eddie Guerrero, Ray Mysterio, Chris Jericho.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Right, come up right, Goldberg eventually got to come up,
raybe Stereo, god.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Rick, Martel Booker, t the Steiners.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
There are guys that they had so much talent there
there are names you forget, established names you forget because
any but again, it was the great control thing, you know,
having Ted Turner being isolated or you know, away from
you know, from Bishop in those later years, Brett was
den Man walking because it was it was never gonna work.
(10:36):
It was just never gonna wor because it was just disorganized.
Brett thrive in an environment where he was able to,
you know, have a leader like minor Man guide him.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And and Roddy Piper was still there, That's right. I mean,
I mean, and you know Conan was a big deal. Yeah,
and the other Luca Doors like Psychosis and who went
to Guerrera.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And I mean, yeah, they had a lot of great talent.
Brett was.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But you know, I get the feeling that I always
said this by Brett Hart. Brett Hart whinds a lot,
he cries a lot, but you never.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Get the feeling he's lying. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You get the feelings telling the truth truth. He may
whind a lot, he may complain a lot, but you
never get the feelings lying about it. You know, several
years like Holgan is lying about things, and all these
guys on this line in a business or embellishing things
that the stories you never feeling. Brett Hart isn't is lying.
And I tell you what, I really want to hear
a Bret Heart podcast one day. I really, I really do,
(11:50):
because Brett Hart will give it to give it you
straight and raw.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, and like put his way, He's not telling when
he tells something. If he talks about something, he's not
doing it for self serving purposes, right, Like he's just
telling you how he feels. He's telling you how he
saw it and period in the story.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
And yeah and and yeah, I mean it's and yeah,
I mean he is giving you his side and then
a lot of it he is speaking.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
From from a standpoint of like he is Aaron grievances.
But he's one of the few people that you know
what he really does.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Have a right to.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I mean, he got you know, he got screwed out
of you know, there was a screw job and then
there was you know, Seawn Michaels didn't want job for
him even though he had put him Sean over and
you know then so then he goes to w c W.
They don't really have any plan or any direction for him,
(12:56):
and you know, then you know, his brother died as
of that accident. It's a you know, you know, then
then you know, he gets kicked in the head and
you know what I mean, and he has to retire.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And I mean.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Just just like yeah, I mean every like just so
many things went wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That uh that were not his fault, really.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right, And do you do you take a do you
take Vince's sign of the whole thing thing? You take
a Bret sign on that one.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I'm team Vince in that one.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Okay, well I think they both had points. Okay, Now,
ultimately I agree with Vince in that. Ultimately, look, you
know this is not your company. If it's my company,
I own this and I you know, run this so
if I tell you that you need to do the job,
then you're supposed to do it. That being said, Vince
(14:00):
did not have to put him in a situation where
he was going to job to Shawn Michaels. And especially
since you know, knowing the history of knowing that Sean
had refusing to do that for him, he knew he
should have known better than even the book that because
he would known Brett wouldn't right he put he put
(14:20):
Brett in a situation where he where It's like he
knew Brett didn't want to do it, wouldn't wasn't gonna
want to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And I will say though, I will say that you know,
you know Vince's fear of Brett going on w TV
with the belt. I don't think Brett would have done that.
I've been put it at the title.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think he would have uh, you know, done, done,
done the right thing and not do what a lot
of blaze did a couple.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
He wasn't And honestly, and the other thing is that.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
No, he couldn't have done it anyway because there was
I think, uh, there was a lawsuit. There was some
politigation pending about that where and they couldn't do that anymore.
So that was just unfounded. It sounded like an excuse.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Really.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I always wondered, you know, because you know Brett, you know,
obviously leaves in November ninety seven. You know, the ADS
era is pretty much fresh at that point. Although one
can argue Brett had a large part in the transition
years from you know, ninety sixty seven into right, you know,
we can argue that he was the start of that.
(15:32):
If Brett stays at w w F, how do you
book the next to say, six months or year, because
the things that happened at the Brett left. Yeah, yeah,
stub Sean the top guy, but still close on the
way up. But Seawan gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
At Rumble with the back issues, and then by Mania
he's gone for four years, which opens the door for
the Rock at some point. I always, I've always said
that Brett.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Has Brett had stayed in WF longer, a lot of
pushes won't don't happen at least as fast like.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I still think the Rock happens at some point. But
the Rocks push may be a little.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
More delayed than it was in ninety eight because you
still have Brett at the top of the key, on
top of the card, you got stone cold on top
of the card. You have sewn Michael's the card. Now,
Sean get hurt. You know what I'm saying, So a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Things that that.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
That Montreal thing is a massive butterfly effect for not
just for Brett Hart's and when he happened, happened to
him the business a whole. I'm both both both of
both companies, both companies.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I think.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Well, for one, all right, well, so let's say if
let's assume that that Sean won the title, they just
that they just did business or whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Okay, right, Sean did get hurt.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
So but you don't get you don't. But do you
still get Shawn and Taker at Rumble though? Do you
get you get the you get it?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Do you get a Brett Shawn rematch or Rumble instead
Sean Taker?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
You know what I'm saying, Well, well, I think at
that point they were committed to the that Austin was
gonna get that big push and everything.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
No, I think I think Austin happens no matter what
Austin is, because that happened, that have happened. It's a
matter who was gonna want to put him over. It
might have been Brett.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It may have been a Brett's Austin rematch and Mania
and Bret put him over.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah, maybe there would I mean, there definitely would have
been a Brett Austin feud that year, because I mean,
because they were already especially with Sean hurt and you
know Rock maybe and there probably would have been a
(17:45):
I think they probably would have proceeded with Sean putting
Austin over because then you because then you could say
you could save Austin and Brett WrestleMania again for for
a later date.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, I don't think Vincent, I'm not mistaken. This wasn't
a fan of doing back to back. Well he didn't
holding Andre all that use different situation back to back. Uh,
same man events or the same matches one year later.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Yeah, So I think what and then now I think
Rock might have been delayed because maybe maybe Bread is
the corporate champion, you know, and then they do that,
and then maybe they do Rock and Austin in two thousand, uh,
and then you know, and of course, where is triple H.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Fit in that equation? Where is mcfoley fit in that equation?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
But they grow d X I point they still they
still grow d X and the X stole things. So
the X stole, yeah, would be a factor.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
So it'd been interesting because honestly, well they I mean,
the ring work would have been better because for those
first couple of years like nine brother.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, that's the thing with this is why I always
say that the ear is overrated, because it was good.
If you love Austin Rock, a Hunter Taker fully at
the top of the cars, fantastic. But what the reason
why I don't enjoy the ADS era is much, especially
in hindsight, because I love mid I love the mid card.
(19:14):
I'm a fan of Hope Air because I love the
mid card. Same with with the Aggression. Even today, the
A's era's mid card not so great. Honestly we we
really when you really boiled down was not as good
as you think.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
And but even some of the main events.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
It was the point where the show was driven.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
By Austin events and Rock and Hunter and those guys,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
You know, it was driven all by character work and
the storyline. So it was so look'd been now around
two thousand, you know, the ring work finally caught up
to it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, you know, because those defections from w W two. Also,
you know, so jerich Os and those guys come over
to the company.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, so we I mean look at Brett Stays.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Then definitely would have had some better matches you would
have had you'd have had some Brett Austin matches. You
would have had Brett.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah, maybe you know, yeah that you had Jericho and Brett,
you'd had kurd Angle and Brett you had, I mean,
Rock and Brett never really had much of it time
to work together. I think they you know, so you'd
have had all those things and they would have gotten
those matches, would have gotten treated better there because like Bischoff,
(20:39):
he was right. Bishoff just did not care about like
about the ring work. I mean, I mean Vince was
no you know, work rate enthusiasts or whatever. But Vince, look,
he still wanted people to have good entertaining matches, like honestly, Brett.
I mean if Bischoff didn't care, oh if the matches
(21:01):
were even good, he did not care.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, I always wonder like this Bishop Brett thing is
this it's nuts.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
It really is nuts.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And again I I I tend to agree with Brett
I'm not saying Bishop wasn't great. Bishop had his moments,
but I do think Bishop also was restricted by what
he could do because of who. You know, they didn't care,
but by ninety eight they didn't care the exactly, the
didn't care about the c W.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
They want They wanted out of the rest in business
at that point.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So it's really hard to have a guy in Bishop
to keep things in line when yeah, he only has
so much he can do, you know, because of his
restrict he's restricted by Turner and you know, and and
of course AO eventually when they when they emerged a
year later.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So but you know, it is what it does.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And those guys, I mean, obviously there's there's still bitterness
between the two obviously, you know, which is very sad.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So all right, let's get to the let's get to
the card here. Of course, Crown Jewel will be in Perth, Australia,
Western Australia. Of course, dude, at the Rack Arena. There's
no tag life for this one here. It will take
place a course October eleven, twenty five at eight a m.
On espn Uh, dude, it's it's still we're saying that ship. Bro,
(22:23):
it's still it's still really weird saying that ship. It
really is ESPN.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Oh yeah, God.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Actually I will be on a train to Boston when
that starts.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Oh so you gonna miss the show?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Uh yeah, I mean I mean you can watch on
your phone if you can be able to get access
to it.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And now because I'm going to Boston because me and
Jason are going to TNA bound for Glory and it's.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Are you going to see my cousin.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, mister comrade himself with Duke Bennett.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yeah, well he said he's gonna be there, and so
I told him to me a coward.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
He's very short, forget, very short, very short guy, stocky,
black dude, mouthy but short.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
We love Duke in the show. We love Duke.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Then we know you got to see each other and
he takes the pictures broll seriously. All right, you got
five matches so far confirmed for the show. That's the
first one here. Roman Razors brought Uston Reid for an
Australian street fight.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's just like, look at his card and it's a
good card and I'm not complating a card, but again.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's it's a filler p l e s. It's not.
It doesn't feel consequential, even though it's on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, and that's the thing. And it's.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
So this is a remastered for Class in Paris, except
it's a Australian street fights. So there's a bunch of
weapons and I hope that at least since I mean
they kind of localize the weaponry, you know, because I
just don't just have you know, chairs and whatever, like
(24:19):
I mean, they're in Australia, dammit, pull up, you know,
pull out a boomer here or something, and uh is
it a bunch.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Of read Australians too?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yes, does home the home the home home.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Turf then yeah, And just don't shot that he's he
that Roman get the bood because.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Of that, right, No, no, look at that.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
To tilt the crowd. Okay about it won't be that.
But and I do think now Brons, well, look, I
mean booking one on one says that bring the match
because Roman won the first one. And this is a
(25:07):
this is a street fight, so you can have people running,
you can have all types of interference and everything.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So so he should you know, but I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
And this and this is This is one of the
fair criticisms of Triplets booking is that he doesn't A
lot of times he just has the same person win, And.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I don't I don't know why Roman would lose this
match this point though, like he is, he is beyond
Bronson Reid, I mean absolutely is.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
But but I just like, watch this match, if why
do why do a rematch?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
If it's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
As you said, fuller, full time, fulling time until sur
Biber series and then full time to Rumble. I mean,
I think my big question more thing else is this
because I think we will think we Romans match.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Where is where is this Roman story going?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
That that that's the thing, Like he's been out of
the top picture now for over a year, but close
on a year and a half.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Then him not be involved in the top picture at all.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Well, I think it's got to be Look the way
this is going, I mean, I think he's got to
be the one who beat South Rolins, I think probably,
I mean and I think, yeah, I think that's where
it goes. And and you know, maybe it happens to
(26:41):
wrestle Mania. I mean it makes sense that way Wresselemania
because they still have never had a one on one
match at Wressellmania.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And and you know they're.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
So I could you know, so I think he definitely
he Seth Rollins, And it's just a matter of I
think do they do do they do it before or
at WrestleMania. But I think that's where it's got to go.
And I think I think it's, Look, you can't keep
(27:16):
them he's he's you know, they've completely kept him out
of the title picture since WrestleMania forty and but you
can't do that forever, no, because it just well just
to come to the point where it just doesn't make sense.
Whereas because again, like if it treating is like a
real sport, your your best you know, your best teams
(27:38):
play for the championship, your best players play for the championships,
and he is effectively your best player, and so like
you know, you don't keep.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
You know, and the kind of and the kind of
teasing on the on the on the on the Seth
side of the story because like you know, obviously a
pro with him and him and and Hayman backstage about
like you know, Seth saying, you know what if I
lose his match, what look next? And then Hayman makes
a common belt, you know, like you know, I have
(28:13):
the question why I left Roman in the first place.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yes, again that.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That connection going there. So my my thing is.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
If we're if the if the goal is to get
to Seth as you say it is, and I think
we are going to seth Are again to Seth at Mania.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Are we to Seth at rumble?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
That's the question is is Seth Roman a match that
you want to see on the biggest stage alone?
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yes, because they they've never had a singles match, and
they are Look, they are the two defining people of
the last years. They are the they are the two
defining people of.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
You know, that's Savage Hogan. That's Savage Hogan.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
And yeah they've never had one on one match Wrestlemanium.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So yes, yeah, yeah, I got Romans one. The way
to this is another fill of match to fill time
this far in a story, has Roman has Roman fought
Breaker Bronbraker?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yet not yet? So there, I mean, so I think.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That'll be the next thing.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So you'll you'll, you'll end this this portion of the
few then then I think between say this between some
I receiveries, I'm gonna be and then Rumble Slash whatever
Mania season, We'll get the breaker bron Breaker Roman for
you a little bit because when you want to keep
that connection with Seth, because ultimately Steth will be the
final bosses, as you say in the in the whole story.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
So yeah, that's what I'm going.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I think Roman will beat braun Breaker along the way
and then that will be I think that would be
broun Breakers kind of finally, ex I am as whether
or not to what he's gonna be, how he does
in that, and then I agree worthy on that and
then if he if he passes the test, then you uh,
then it'll be you know then hell, you know, I
can see him beating Roman sometime later next year you
(30:08):
have to win the title.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Use again you would agree.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think the guy that's gonna be made in this
whole like vision, uh you know, uh, the faction is
gonna be.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
That's the Yeah, I mean, that's the whole point of
it all. The whole point of it all is the
the is to get him ready and and you know,
and to see whether or not because look, when when
things are done with Roman and Seth, you know they're
going to turn on you know, Seth and they're gonna
(30:41):
catch off and and then you know, and then we'll
see then you know, and you know, then it'll be
time to see if Gron is just where exactly he
falls into things.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, something this could go either way.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I mean they could, you know, just from a pure
booking one oh one standpoint, it makes more sense to
have Bronson re win this match. But yeah, I mean
it's very easily just book Roman win and.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I got rid.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Also, all right, we got a tag match between the
Warriors of Oscar saying versus Ray Ripley an Eo Sky,
I'm happy Kobooking Warriors back.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I'm happy Oscar is a heel again. I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I hope they end up winning the tag title some point,
you know, the next couple months. The story here really
is Eo and the Kom Warriors and that whole thing,
and of course Ria being her friend and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Like I feel like we're.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Kind of saving Rhea from like a bigger feud like
this this right now, haven't really do something and waiting
until we get to something more consequential later in the
later in the.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Early next year.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But yeah, it's been a kind of a cool story
here with the Kobookie Wars and Neo Skyrol.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, and so I think, well, I think the long
road is because they've been they've been saying that, you know,
you know, the whole of my Rea hadn't beat Oscar
and not hasn't bet EO yet. I'm sorry, right, So
that's the long road. The long road is towards them
(32:31):
facing each other and finally beating her.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
So for me, I mean I can see and then
of course not along the way. Now they're doing a
thing here with with EO and Oscar. So I think
at some point, like personally, I would have beat Stephan
her from the title, and then you have EO beat
Oscar and then you have if you want to, you know,
real video, and then you do.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
It, you do it that way. Yeah, yeah, I think
that's all I think.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I hope that's because and again it's another criticism of
trivilated booking is that he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
You know, that's not his way to do it that way.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
He would probably you know, but I think that would
be the most I think that would be the best
pathway because you have a thing with EO and Oscar.
He needs to beat Oscar to finished, you know, and
then really needs to beat EO, right, and that's secession.
So so now here I think I think EO and
(33:38):
Real Witness one and now I think they some kind
of way they're going to start here and build us
into the war Games match for the women.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
They're going to add people on.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, I think right now they keep it real busy
until they have to use her for something more consequential
down the road. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And so there, so.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
They're coming in a weird place with her right now,
because like you don't want to burn her out with
the title and just have her keep the title forever
and people just stick of it to the point where
I don't want to see it at all ever again.
But so yeah, I mean you do have to give
her something to do, and it's it. And so I
(34:24):
think this should this should pike, all this stuff should
be you know, I think this should probably all be
good to keep her awkard Pa to Russell, because do
this for a few months and then you know, I
think you can have you know, if Oscar does win
the title or or you know, just might beat Stephane
vicor who. But at some point going into Wressell Man
E will probably be champed and then real you know,
(34:48):
we'll get her match and then beat her.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, probably right, I agree, And I got with this
match alright, got John scene against aj Styles.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So it kind of feels like John Cena's.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
It feels like the company is now as already on
the sunset JOHNSONA know, like now that post starar Slam,
Scena doesn't feel the scene, the things, that doesn't even
feel like important anymore. It's like, okay, this is get
to December, get to the main event show, and then
we are good. That's what it feels to me, like
two these are two good guys. Just fill in the quota,
(35:21):
you know.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
And I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
But we're at the point now we're trying to celebrate
John Cena, now you know what I'm saying. So, but
it definite feel like there's sun setting this whole Scena thing.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Though officially.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, so I think I think he wins this one. Well, look,
the Brock match took that too. That took so much
air out of.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Alone, it really did.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But I mean I'd rather wait to do it either,
you know, a month. I don't know, well, I don't
know what was the plan on that like you have
the Brock come out on Summer Slam. You wait, what
six weeks before Brock even showed up on TV again,
and then you have to match Rock destroys Sena.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
And then that's which again like maybe three people in
the whole worlder wanted to see that that match.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind it if if
it made sense, might have to makeing sense at all,
because that's all over.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Now, yeah, because and then I don't think I don't
think they're going to revisit it, so no they're not.
So basically it made no sense. It served no purpose.
And now I think he'll beat a j here. But
then and then well now they rumors now or that
the last matter is gonna be with Gunther and which
(36:38):
means he's gonna lose, which.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
So why they're doing the same thing that the Goldberg
put him in a pastor I.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Get, which, Look, I'm sorry, that's thanks, Okay, it does,
it's thanks.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And Golder made sense doing that, not John Cena.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Because exactly because I'm just I don't know what they're thinking.
I mean this, I mean against it. Once he lost
the belt back to Cody. Now it's supposed to be
appreciation time and we're supposed to celebrate him.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
And you know, nobody wants to watch him lose a match, right,
nobody does, nobody.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
And but then say he loses the Brocket and if
you look at Wressel's comfort in his last match and
probably lose that one due and that's that just stinks.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Nobody wants that sinks.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Like I said, I was okay with it because I
thought we'll gain more of a story behind it. We've
got nothing and that's the worst part. So they dropped
the ball there. But yeah, I'll take scene in this
one as well. You took scene it right, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I think he wins this one. Yeah, all right, we have.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Let's see these w w's women Women's Crown Jewel match
between tile match rather between uh steventy block here and
Tiffany Stratton.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Bro I.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Don't want to be a hater, but how's Tippy is
still a champion?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
They just I don't want to be a hater, dude,
I don't, I really don't, but not feeling it's.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Still again, I don't think they this is and this
is another you know, look people talking about it's been
a bad creator. You're this is another example. It's like
they had no plan. I mean, basically, I think they
planned for her to get a big one in Wrestleman
(38:37):
and then they didn't have any plan.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
After that, and.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
And then but then they just had to sit on
and they just had to sit on the belt and
keep wrestling nine jacks over and over again.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And and I mean I think mm hmm, I.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Mean, I think they were They very much want her
to be you know, rear Ripley horsewomen Oscar.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
They very much want her to be that, but she isn't. Yeah, And.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
So I think the point of having her keep the
belt as long was to try and make her into
that and then have her went at WrestleMania and have
her beat her stratus. And I think all of that
was all that has been in service of trying to
make her into that thing, and she is not. And
but I think the best thing they could have done
(39:37):
since look, I mean, I mean, if you're gonna have
her few nine jacks from January to October, they should
have traded.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
They should have swapped the belt at these ones.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I totally agreefel Now, I totally agree feel that because
because even because that would add more spice of the feud.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
And then and then also I mean you know, and
then you know, and then look, you have the two
of them and Jade. They could have traded the belt
between the three of them.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, and in that way, you.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Know, if you're worried about exposing Jade, then if you know,
if she just if she wins the belt and has
it for a month, and then you don't have to
worry about that, right, And so that would have that
would have been much more interesting between the three of
them if they if they if they passed the belt
around for you know, all year.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
But instead they've just had Tiffany keep it since January.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And I know that does the time you ever do
that kind of stuff, experiment between September and December, experiments
some stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah, and and and now, well now they're kind of
stuck because you know, I think most people, a lot
of people I talked, were hoping that Beyonca is ready
to come back and Banka could just come back and
take it from her. But I get the feeling they
may not do that. I think I get the feeling
that Beyonca comes back, they might ever beat beyond.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
That. Dude, that because I think I think that they are.
They are dead set on.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
You know, like hell and high Warner, like you, people
are going to believe that that that that you know,
that that she is everything we're saying she is.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
And I think they are hell bent on I think
they're the hell bent on that.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
And yeah, I I I look again, I don't. I
I want to sack a hater man, but I just
almost not feeling it, dude, I'm just not feeling it.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I'm not, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And now they're in a holding pattern. I think they're
in a holding pattern until next year, Untilrumble season and
then to me, and that's that's bad. It's a got
three months ago, we got all October left. If I'm
in December, yeah, and then you know, but anyway, I
will I will take Tiffany with his match because I
think they're gonna they're trying to put as.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Much yeah's you can. You know, they're trying to prove
points and you.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Know what they matter as well out at this point,
they're gonna stick to it, to stick to it, you
know what I mean. So I can't say I hate
hate Hunter for that, but it is what it is,
all right, And Finally, the main event, It is a singles.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Match for the w W chron Jewel Championship between Cody
Rhoads and Seth Rawlins.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Cody Rhoads is three and oh against Seth since coming
back to the w in twenty twenty two, So this
is there's a story there already with that. Yeah, the
story here is Seth in my opinion, because where is
he gonna go? As you said some Mormon, I think
where the Seth story is gonna be colliding with romance
(42:40):
on point. Cody obviously is a little more open ended.
You have the n Yorton thing going on there as well,
so we're probably gonna probably gonna see a Randy Orton
situation there where they probably stopped stop becoming friends and
have a fight. I don't rumble or maybe, but uh,
the story here is really the story here is Seth
Rowlins story here.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah. I think. So he's got a Winnows there's.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
No I mean, yeah, I think he will win it. Yeah,
I don't if he's got clean though, but he'll win.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Oh no, he'll win, and they they've lined up everything
for him because if he doesn't win, I mean, you
can't like I mean because obviously at some point Hayman
is gonna say, you know, okay, enough of this guy,
but you can't.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Do that now.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Way too early for that, Yeah, way you come more on.
But at least of teasing the possibility of them spinning up.
They've teas a couple of times aready possibly possibly them
spinning up a world where seven and uh And for
the record, we we kind of sort of like predicted
that though when when this whole thing happened in Armania,
we said that we all you and I think both
(43:48):
said that, yeah, it's a weird fit and it might
work a little while, but we don't see.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
This being a very long term thing. I think we
all agreed that the whole purpose of this whole thing
was to develop bron Breaker, and bron Breaker would be
the polhiming guy.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
Yeah, I mean that that's yeah, because because honestly, because
they are, I mean they are like in real life,
that's basically what they're doing here, because bron has been
accepted into the you know, yeah, he's been accepted into
the family, so speaking in real life, you know, because
(44:25):
he works out with those guys and everything, and.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, yes, I'm one set there as well. So I
mean to be a good, decent, decent card.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm gonna miss it because I'm one, and I'm at
work that's working one o'clock in the morning on Saturday.
And number two, I don't have ESPN and unless they
decided to not lie to me anymore, because remember they
was saying, oh, we've got ESPN, you should be able
to watch it on a problem. And then I went
to log and watch it. I could have watch it,
and right.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Now I am not try to watch with my laptop
because I couldn't get it. I couldn't get to work
through my you.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Know, were able to authenticate on the laptop release though yeah,
I was, yes, okay, okay, I'll have to try that
then on Saturday if I could, because I know when
I tried to do it on the my TV it
kept referring to down on the app.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
So maybe that was the issue.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
But guys, remember eight am because it's in Australia, so
eight am Saturday morning is the show.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Anyway, That's it for me. Anyone to plug well.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
As always, you can hear me and Jason DJ on
the Minas Worthing podcast every week and we're going to
talk about Crown Jewel, of course, and Jason and I
are going to TNA bound for Glory this weekend up
in Massachusetts. And and as always, you can hear me
(45:52):
every two or three weeks on the Robin Genius Podcast.
And I just I do have an episode I just
put out a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
You did, Uh, yes, why did? Why did I get
that hold on?
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Or? Maybe? Okay, I I thought I did. Maybe that's
mean you could be right.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Maybe I didn't pay attention to it. But me let
me check op before sign off. Here, Rob the Genius,
Rob the Genius, Rob the Genius.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Wait, hold on, you did you did?
Speaker 4 (46:22):
You? Did?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
You?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Did?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
You? Did? You?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Did? It passed me? It passed me? Okay, I mean
a little business.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah, I've talked about what I've witnessed being being a
re established a w n b A fan over the
last two years. And let me tell you some of
these w n b A fans are as bad as
wrestling fans.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah. You know, one of these days, when I get
a chance, we'll have a Reculard episode we discussed w
n b A because I mean, I mean, it's it's
it's been really wacky.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
The online fandom is every bit as bad as h
the you know, every bit as bad as every other
fandom on social media.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
I do agree with that.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
The little exports I've seen you with it, it's pretty bad,
alrighty anyway, I'm also I'm on x at e J
Christen seven Falls Cut Anywhere a part of the podcast,
of course, describe on at etret pod, on YouTube, eersty
podcast of course, on any podcast catcher you can find
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(47:27):
on Instagram well too. Until next episode of this we
will talk to you guys soon and enjoy Crown Jewel
in Perth.
The new Falls counts anywhere, and it must have been
(01:05):
about a couple of weeks we got in here to
do a show.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
But again I'm your host, Ernest EJ.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Christian recorded this on Wednesday night, Octember eight, twenty twenty
five in the be Go whole Week for Clown Jewel
in Perth, Australia, and we'll preview that show in just
a second.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But of course we do this show every single one.
We try every week anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
But you know I said fall time, Fall Timers is
pretty much listen, this is the podcast you know that
the fall between September and and December's typically where I
am massively busy, to the point where resting content does
a little suffer a little bit because I am sol
invested in football, baseball playoffs some years.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
In the election. You know, basketballs back soon, so there's
a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
We're here, of course, with the band Robert Genius, one
third of the Mindless Rest of Podcasts, also the host
of the I Guess Bye Week sometimes pre weekly or
whatever maybe Robert Gas podcast, Rob What's Up?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Buddy? I basically brother, what was going on?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Hey? What's going on? Man? Gonna be back? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Sir, Yes, sir, so we got a big we got
a big show.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The preview this week I showed I'm not I'm not
gonna watch because umber one, the damn shows at o'clock
in the morning, I gotta work.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And number two, I still have not gotten the ESPN
app yet.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And I'm still fighting the corporations here on that one.
As we said last time on the show. And we'll
get to the preview in the show in just a second.
But I didn't want to start the show talking about
a topic. And this is an old topic and it
deals with Brett Hart and Eric Bischoff. And I don't
know when this quote was made by Eric Bischoff. So
(02:41):
you remember, obviously Brett Hart, you know, fourteen years of
w W and then left and obviously none is left,
but you know got kicked out if you think about it,
in ninety seven after the Montrell screw drive. All that
goes w w W. That whole thing's a failure.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Obviously we've seen everything since then. You know, every's come
the past.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Eric Bischoff has reflected recently on Brett Hart and his
time in WW and.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Bischoff had a very strong quote.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Again, I don't know when his quote was done, that's
weeks whatever, but this is quote here. Brett Hart was
the most overrated guy I ever worked with. He thought
he was ten times better than he really was. He
came into ww with his chip on his shoulder acting
like he was never was gonna say the company. Truth is,
Brett never drew money with us. He didn't move the
needle and he didn't want to adapt. He just wanted
(03:28):
to keep living off the WWF days. Brett was bitter,
he was difficult, and he wasn't the block room leader
he thought he was. People talk about him being the
best there is, the best there was and the best
will be. But to me, he was the most overhyped
talent I've ember signed. That's the reality. Eric Bischoff on
Brett Hart. That's some really harsh words.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Now Brett Hart has actually commented about Bischoff in the past.
I'm gonna play that video for real quick and we're
gonna react to it.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
A good thing to say about Eric Bischoff for anything
he ever did. That guy was Tuck with the Midas touch.
He was the opposite. He could kill your career. He
was too stupid to know what a career was or
that that actual passion. It's like if you have passion
for your matches and you have a genius for for
for wrestling, talent didn't mean anything there, Bischoff. He was
(04:21):
the worst loser maggot that ever got into wrestling.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He was just the worst.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I had nothing.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
He's a nice nuff guy, but he was.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
He was just the worst.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
He was. I feel so bad because I went to
w CW really want to make a difference. And I
think if you look at WCW and all the names
that they had and all the wrestlers and all the
other things, they had everything. All they needed was somebody
that knew what to do.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
All right, Rob, we know the history of w CW
those years. You know the Battle, the Night Wars and
w WWWW. Bret hardcore is right in the middle of that.
Here the whole thing. Your thoughts on the grumpy old.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Men, Well, tell us how you feel. Brett.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's funny look at a video.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I think sometime I want to AI, but Brett is
really that that direct and honest though.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Oh look, Brett will give it to you straight every time,
and so you know you have to give him that.
Whether you agree with what he's saying or not. He's yeah,
he he doesn't lie. He tells you exactly how he feels.
And well, yeah, his time there was kind of it
(05:39):
was cursed because one, well he had no intentions of
ever going there in the first place. So yeah, it
was very abrupt him even you know, showing up there.
And then yeah, I don't think they were expecting the
E would have him available, you know, so I think
(06:00):
they weren't sure what to do with him really because
when he came in, they didn't have a story or anything.
Like one night they just said, well, they said, well,
well Brett Harder will be here and he's joined it.
He's part of the nWo, and like it's made no
sensible or anything. And so he shows up and then
(06:25):
he said Starkade ninety seven and he was supposed to
be like the special forcer or something, and right, yeah,
and it was I mean, it was just messy because
it was and that was just really strange.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
And most people, yeah, most of most peop will say
that the downfall started that night in start A ninety seven.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yeah, I mean, like it may not have officially, like
from a business standpoint, not yet, but creatively and yeah,
I mean that was the beginning of the end because
they can completely crap the bed with that finish.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, so bad, bro so bad.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, I mean they should have had I mean that,
I mean that was they wrestled many of forty I
mean basically yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And and it's supposed to be just so easy.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Just I mean that you had that you know, multi
year storyline, and all you have to do was have
Sting beat Hogan and just have him went straight up. Yeah,
even if he hasn't run intoor whatever, he should have.
He should either pin him one two three or put
him in the you know, scorpion death locking and tapped
him out in the middle of the ring. And and
(07:49):
they didn't. And it was just this convoluted thing because
Howell Hogan didn't want to play ball, and I think
he changed his mind the day of the show or
something and held he had this you know, bullshit excuse
that the Sting didn't look like he was serious that
(08:13):
night or something or other. And m it was just
I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
He was he was doing from the start. That the
environment alone made it made it bad.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Like the thing is, there were too many chiefs in
the in the Kitchen and nine eighty seven, it was Hogan,
it was Hall in Nash, there was Sting, there was
you know, flair. You bring Brett Hanton also to he
probably he looked as as a leader, as a chief
as well too. And then you know, and again when
you have Eric Bischoff who's trying to please everybody and whatnot.
(08:45):
And then at the top again this is where Vince
mc man really is. You know, we love Vince. This
is where Vincent Man is why he is the greatest
promoter of all time because everything went through Vincent Man.
There's nothing that got unless there's man improved it. Okay,
So they were just it was not like a talent
(09:06):
this this this is I mean, rob this is not
me an argument w w W w w W had
more talent, better talent on the roster between ninety seven
and ninety nine, even in the the waiter years than
w w F.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The problem is stuff didn't ulize the properly because they
were so disorganized.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean, if we're talking just if I'm just
looking at the names on the roster, how good they
were that look that like ninety seven ninety eight w
c W roster that might have been like the most
talented roster of all time.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yep. I mean you just run through the names.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I mean it was you know, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Savage, Luger, Flair, Flair, Diamond,
Dallas Page. Yeah, it's Ben, Eddie Guerrero, Ray Mysterio, Chris Jericho.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Right, come up right, Goldberg eventually got to come up,
raybe Stereo, god.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Rick, Martel Booker, t the Steiners.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
There are guys that they had so much talent there
there are names you forget, established names you forget because
any but again, it was the great control thing, you know,
having Ted Turner being isolated or you know, away from
you know, from Bishop in those later years, Brett was
den Man walking because it was it was never gonna work.
(10:36):
It was just never gonna wor because it was just disorganized.
Brett thrive in an environment where he was able to,
you know, have a leader like minor Man guide him.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And and Roddy Piper was still there, That's right. I mean,
I mean, and you know Conan was a big deal. Yeah,
and the other Luca Doors like Psychosis and who went
to Guerrera.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And I mean, yeah, they had a lot of great talent.
Brett was.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
But you know, I get the feeling that I always
said this by Brett Hart. Brett Hart whinds a lot,
he cries a lot, but you never.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Get the feeling he's lying. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You get the feelings telling the truth truth. He may
whind a lot, he may complain a lot, but you
never get the feelings lying about it. You know, several
years like Holgan is lying about things, and all these
guys on this line in a business or embellishing things
that the stories you never feeling. Brett Hart isn't is lying.
And I tell you what, I really want to hear
a Bret Heart podcast one day. I really, I really do,
(11:50):
because Brett Hart will give it to give it you
straight and raw.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, and like put his way, He's not telling when
he tells something. If he talks about something, he's not
doing it for self serving purposes, right, Like he's just
telling you how he feels. He's telling you how he
saw it and period in the story.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
And yeah and and yeah, I mean it's and yeah,
I mean he is giving you his side and then
a lot of it he is speaking.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
From from a standpoint of like he is Aaron grievances.
But he's one of the few people that you know
what he really does.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Have a right to.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
I mean, he got you know, he got screwed out
of you know, there was a screw job and then
there was you know, Seawn Michaels didn't want job for
him even though he had put him Sean over and
you know then so then he goes to w c W.
They don't really have any plan or any direction for him,
(12:56):
and you know, then you know, his brother died as
of that accident. It's a you know, you know, then
then you know, he gets kicked in the head and
you know what I mean, and he has to retire.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And I mean.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Just just like yeah, I mean every like just so
many things went wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That uh that were not his fault, really.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right, And do you do you take a do you
take Vince's sign of the whole thing thing? You take
a Bret sign on that one.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I'm team Vince in that one.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Okay, well I think they both had points. Okay, Now,
ultimately I agree with Vince in that. Ultimately, look, you
know this is not your company. If it's my company,
I own this and I you know, run this so
if I tell you that you need to do the job,
then you're supposed to do it. That being said, Vince
(14:00):
did not have to put him in a situation where
he was going to job to Shawn Michaels. And especially
since you know, knowing the history of knowing that Sean
had refusing to do that for him, he knew he
should have known better than even the book that because
he would known Brett wouldn't right he put he put
(14:20):
Brett in a situation where he where It's like he
knew Brett didn't want to do it, wouldn't wasn't gonna
want to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And I will say though, I will say that you know,
you know Vince's fear of Brett going on w TV
with the belt. I don't think Brett would have done that.
I've been put it at the title.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think he would have uh, you know, done, done,
done the right thing and not do what a lot
of blaze did a couple.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
He wasn't And honestly, and the other thing is that.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
No, he couldn't have done it anyway because there was
I think, uh, there was a lawsuit. There was some
politigation pending about that where and they couldn't do that anymore.
So that was just unfounded. It sounded like an excuse.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Really.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I always wondered, you know, because you know Brett, you know,
obviously leaves in November ninety seven. You know, the ADS
era is pretty much fresh at that point. Although one
can argue Brett had a large part in the transition
years from you know, ninety sixty seven into right, you know,
we can argue that he was the start of that.
(15:32):
If Brett stays at w w F, how do you
book the next to say, six months or year, because
the things that happened at the Brett left. Yeah, yeah,
stub Sean the top guy, but still close on the
way up. But Seawan gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
At Rumble with the back issues, and then by Mania
he's gone for four years, which opens the door for
the Rock at some point. I always, I've always said
that Brett.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Has Brett had stayed in WF longer, a lot of
pushes won't don't happen at least as fast like.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I still think the Rock happens at some point. But
the Rocks push may be a little.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
More delayed than it was in ninety eight because you
still have Brett at the top of the key, on
top of the card, you got stone cold on top
of the card. You have sewn Michael's the card. Now,
Sean get hurt. You know what I'm saying, So a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Things that that.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
That Montreal thing is a massive butterfly effect for not
just for Brett Hart's and when he happened, happened to
him the business a whole. I'm both both both of
both companies, both companies.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I think.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Well, for one, all right, well, so let's say if
let's assume that that Sean won the title, they just
that they just did business or whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Okay, right, Sean did get hurt.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
So but you don't get you don't. But do you
still get Shawn and Taker at Rumble though? Do you
get you get the you get it?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Do you get a Brett Shawn rematch or Rumble instead
Sean Taker?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
You know what I'm saying, Well, well, I think at
that point they were committed to the that Austin was
gonna get that big push and everything.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
No, I think I think Austin happens no matter what
Austin is, because that happened, that have happened. It's a
matter who was gonna want to put him over. It
might have been Brett.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It may have been a Brett's Austin rematch and Mania
and Bret put him over.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah, maybe there would I mean, there definitely would have
been a Brett Austin feud that year, because I mean,
because they were already especially with Sean hurt and you
know Rock maybe and there probably would have been a
(17:45):
I think they probably would have proceeded with Sean putting
Austin over because then you because then you could say
you could save Austin and Brett WrestleMania again for for
a later date.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, I don't think Vincent, I'm not mistaken. This wasn't
a fan of doing back to back. Well he didn't
holding Andre all that use different situation back to back. Uh,
same man events or the same matches one year later.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Yeah, So I think what and then now I think
Rock might have been delayed because maybe maybe Bread is
the corporate champion, you know, and then they do that,
and then maybe they do Rock and Austin in two thousand, uh,
and then you know, and of course, where is triple H.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Fit in that equation? Where is mcfoley fit in that equation?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
But they grow d X I point they still they
still grow d X and the X stole things. So
the X stole, yeah, would be a factor.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
So it'd been interesting because honestly, well they I mean,
the ring work would have been better because for those
first couple of years like nine brother.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, that's the thing with this is why I always
say that the ear is overrated, because it was good.
If you love Austin Rock, a Hunter Taker fully at
the top of the cars, fantastic. But what the reason
why I don't enjoy the ADS era is much, especially
in hindsight, because I love mid I love the mid card.
(19:14):
I'm a fan of Hope Air because I love the
mid card. Same with with the Aggression. Even today, the
A's era's mid card not so great. Honestly we we
really when you really boiled down was not as good
as you think.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
And but even some of the main events.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
It was the point where the show was driven.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
By Austin events and Rock and Hunter and those guys,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
You know, it was driven all by character work and
the storyline. So it was so look'd been now around
two thousand, you know, the ring work finally caught up
to it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, you know, because those defections from w W two. Also,
you know, so jerich Os and those guys come over
to the company.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, so we I mean look at Brett Stays.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Then definitely would have had some better matches you would
have had you'd have had some Brett Austin matches. You
would have had Brett.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah, maybe you know, yeah that you had Jericho and Brett,
you'd had kurd Angle and Brett you had, I mean,
Rock and Brett never really had much of it time
to work together. I think they you know, so you'd
have had all those things and they would have gotten
those matches, would have gotten treated better there because like Bischoff,
(20:39):
he was right. Bishoff just did not care about like
about the ring work. I mean, I mean Vince was
no you know, work rate enthusiasts or whatever. But Vince, look,
he still wanted people to have good entertaining matches, like honestly, Brett.
I mean if Bischoff didn't care, oh if the matches
(21:01):
were even good, he did not care.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, I always wonder like this Bishop Brett thing is
this it's nuts.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
It really is nuts.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And again I I I tend to agree with Brett
I'm not saying Bishop wasn't great. Bishop had his moments,
but I do think Bishop also was restricted by what
he could do because of who. You know, they didn't care,
but by ninety eight they didn't care the exactly, the
didn't care about the c W.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
They want They wanted out of the rest in business
at that point.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So it's really hard to have a guy in Bishop
to keep things in line when yeah, he only has
so much he can do, you know, because of his
restrict he's restricted by Turner and you know, and and
of course AO eventually when they when they emerged a
year later.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So but you know, it is what it does.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And those guys, I mean, obviously there's there's still bitterness
between the two obviously, you know, which is very sad.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
So all right, let's get to the let's get to
the card here. Of course, Crown Jewel will be in Perth, Australia,
Western Australia. Of course, dude, at the Rack Arena. There's
no tag life for this one here. It will take
place a course October eleven, twenty five at eight a m.
On espn Uh, dude, it's it's still we're saying that ship. Bro,
(22:23):
it's still it's still really weird saying that ship. It
really is ESPN.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Oh yeah, God.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Actually I will be on a train to Boston when
that starts.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Oh so you gonna miss the show?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Uh yeah, I mean I mean you can watch on
your phone if you can be able to get access
to it.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
And now because I'm going to Boston because me and
Jason are going to TNA bound for Glory and it's.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Are you going to see my cousin.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, mister comrade himself with Duke Bennett.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yeah, well he said he's gonna be there, and so
I told him to me a coward.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
He's very short, forget, very short, very short guy, stocky,
black dude, mouthy but short.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
We love Duke in the show. We love Duke.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Then we know you got to see each other and
he takes the pictures broll seriously. All right, you got
five matches so far confirmed for the show. That's the
first one here. Roman Razors brought Uston Reid for an
Australian street fight.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's just like, look at his card and it's a
good card and I'm not complating a card, but again.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's it's a filler p l e s. It's not.
It doesn't feel consequential, even though it's on ESPN.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, and that's the thing. And it's.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
So this is a remastered for Class in Paris, except
it's a Australian street fights. So there's a bunch of
weapons and I hope that at least since I mean
they kind of localize the weaponry, you know, because I
just don't just have you know, chairs and whatever, like
(24:19):
I mean, they're in Australia, dammit, pull up, you know,
pull out a boomer here or something, and uh is
it a bunch.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Of read Australians too?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yes, does home the home the home home.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Turf then yeah, And just don't shot that he's he
that Roman get the bood because.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Of that, right, No, no, look at that.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
To tilt the crowd. Okay about it won't be that.
But and I do think now Brons, well, look, I
mean booking one on one says that bring the match
because Roman won the first one. And this is a
(25:07):
this is a street fight, so you can have people running,
you can have all types of interference and everything.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So so he should you know, but I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
And this and this is This is one of the
fair criticisms of Triplets booking is that he doesn't A
lot of times he just has the same person win, And.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I don't I don't know why Roman would lose this
match this point though, like he is, he is beyond
Bronson Reid, I mean absolutely is.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
But but I just like, watch this match, if why
do why do a rematch?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
If it's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
As you said, fuller, full time, fulling time until sur
Biber series and then full time to Rumble. I mean,
I think my big question more thing else is this
because I think we will think we Romans match.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Where is where is this Roman story going?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
That that that's the thing, Like he's been out of
the top picture now for over a year, but close
on a year and a half.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Then him not be involved in the top picture at all.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Well, I think it's got to be Look the way
this is going, I mean, I think he's got to
be the one who beat South Rolins, I think probably,
I mean and I think, yeah, I think that's where
it goes. And and you know, maybe it happens to
(26:41):
wrestle Mania. I mean it makes sense that way Wresselemania
because they still have never had a one on one
match at Wressellmania.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And and you know they're.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
So I could you know, so I think he definitely
he Seth Rollins, And it's just a matter of I
think do they do do they do it before or
at WrestleMania. But I think that's where it's got to go.
And I think I think it's, Look, you can't keep
(27:16):
them he's he's you know, they've completely kept him out
of the title picture since WrestleMania forty and but you
can't do that forever, no, because it just well just
to come to the point where it just doesn't make sense.
Whereas because again, like if it treating is like a
real sport, your your best you know, your best teams
(27:38):
play for the championship, your best players play for the championships,
and he is effectively your best player, and so like
you know, you don't keep.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
You know, and the kind of and the kind of
teasing on the on the on the on the Seth
side of the story because like you know, obviously a
pro with him and him and and Hayman backstage about
like you know, Seth saying, you know what if I
lose his match, what look next? And then Hayman makes
a common belt, you know, like you know, I have
(28:13):
the question why I left Roman in the first place.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yes, again that.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That connection going there. So my my thing is.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
If we're if the if the goal is to get
to Seth as you say it is, and I think
we are going to seth Are again to Seth at Mania.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Are we to Seth at rumble?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
That's the question is is Seth Roman a match that
you want to see on the biggest stage alone?
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yes, because they they've never had a singles match, and
they are Look, they are the two defining people of
the last years. They are the they are the two
defining people of.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
You know, that's Savage Hogan. That's Savage Hogan.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
And yeah they've never had one on one match Wrestlemanium.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So yes, yeah, yeah, I got Romans one. The way
to this is another fill of match to fill time
this far in a story, has Roman has Roman fought
Breaker Bronbraker?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yet not yet? So there, I mean, so I think.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That'll be the next thing.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So you'll you'll, you'll end this this portion of the
few then then I think between say this between some
I receiveries, I'm gonna be and then Rumble Slash whatever
Mania season, We'll get the breaker bron Breaker Roman for
you a little bit because when you want to keep
that connection with Seth, because ultimately Steth will be the
final bosses, as you say in the in the whole story.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
So yeah, that's what I'm going.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I think Roman will beat braun Breaker along the way
and then that will be I think that would be
broun Breakers kind of finally, ex I am as whether
or not to what he's gonna be, how he does
in that, and then I agree worthy on that and
then if he if he passes the test, then you uh,
then it'll be you know then hell, you know, I
can see him beating Roman sometime later next year you
(30:08):
have to win the title.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Use again you would agree.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think the guy that's gonna be made in this
whole like vision, uh you know, uh, the faction is
gonna be.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
That's the Yeah, I mean, that's the whole point of
it all. The whole point of it all is the
the is to get him ready and and you know,
and to see whether or not because look, when when
things are done with Roman and Seth, you know they're
going to turn on you know, Seth and they're gonna
(30:41):
catch off and and then you know, and then we'll
see then you know, and you know, then it'll be
time to see if Gron is just where exactly he
falls into things.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, something this could go either way.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I mean they could, you know, just from a pure
booking one oh one standpoint, it makes more sense to
have Bronson re win this match. But yeah, I mean
it's very easily just book Roman win and.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I got rid.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Also, all right, we got a tag match between the
Warriors of Oscar saying versus Ray Ripley an Eo Sky,
I'm happy Kobooking Warriors back.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I'm happy Oscar is a heel again. I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I hope they end up winning the tag title some point,
you know, the next couple months. The story here really
is Eo and the Kom Warriors and that whole thing,
and of course Ria being her friend and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Like I feel like we're.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Kind of saving Rhea from like a bigger feud like
this this right now, haven't really do something and waiting
until we get to something more consequential later in the
later in the.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Early next year.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But yeah, it's been a kind of a cool story
here with the Kobookie Wars and Neo Skyrol.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, and so I think, well, I think the long
road is because they've been they've been saying that, you know,
you know, the whole of my Rea hadn't beat Oscar
and not hasn't bet EO yet. I'm sorry, right, So
that's the long road. The long road is towards them
(32:31):
facing each other and finally beating her.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
So for me, I mean I can see and then
of course not along the way. Now they're doing a
thing here with with EO and Oscar. So I think
at some point, like personally, I would have beat Stephan
her from the title, and then you have EO beat
Oscar and then you have if you want to, you know,
real video, and then you do.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
It, you do it that way. Yeah, yeah, I think
that's all I think.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I hope that's because and again it's another criticism of
trivilated booking is that he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
You know, that's not his way to do it that way.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
He would probably you know, but I think that would
be the most I think that would be the best
pathway because you have a thing with EO and Oscar.
He needs to beat Oscar to finished, you know, and
then really needs to beat EO, right, and that's secession.
So so now here I think I think EO and
(33:38):
Real Witness one and now I think they some kind
of way they're going to start here and build us
into the war Games match for the women.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
They're going to add people on.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, I think right now they keep it real busy
until they have to use her for something more consequential
down the road. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And so there, so.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
They're coming in a weird place with her right now,
because like you don't want to burn her out with
the title and just have her keep the title forever
and people just stick of it to the point where
I don't want to see it at all ever again.
But so yeah, I mean you do have to give
her something to do, and it's it. And so I
(34:24):
think this should this should pike, all this stuff should
be you know, I think this should probably all be
good to keep her awkard Pa to Russell, because do
this for a few months and then you know, I
think you can have you know, if Oscar does win
the title or or you know, just might beat Stephane
vicor who. But at some point going into Wressell Man
E will probably be champed and then real you know,
(34:48):
we'll get her match and then beat her.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, probably right, I agree, And I got with this
match alright, got John scene against aj Styles.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So it kind of feels like John Cena's.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
It feels like the company is now as already on
the sunset JOHNSONA know, like now that post starar Slam,
Scena doesn't feel the scene, the things, that doesn't even
feel like important anymore. It's like, okay, this is get
to December, get to the main event show, and then
we are good. That's what it feels to me, like
two these are two good guys. Just fill in the quota,
(35:21):
you know.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
And I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
But we're at the point now we're trying to celebrate
John Cena, now you know what I'm saying. So, but
it definite feel like there's sun setting this whole Scena thing.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Though officially.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, so I think I think he wins this one. Well, look,
the Brock match took that too. That took so much
air out of.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Alone, it really did.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But I mean I'd rather wait to do it either,
you know, a month. I don't know, well, I don't
know what was the plan on that like you have
the Brock come out on Summer Slam. You wait, what
six weeks before Brock even showed up on TV again,
and then you have to match Rock destroys Sena.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
And then that's which again like maybe three people in
the whole worlder wanted to see that that match.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind it if if
it made sense, might have to makeing sense at all,
because that's all over.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Now, yeah, because and then I don't think I don't
think they're going to revisit it, so no they're not.
So basically it made no sense. It served no purpose.
And now I think he'll beat a j here. But
then and then well now they rumors now or that
the last matter is gonna be with Gunther and which
(36:38):
means he's gonna lose, which.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
So why they're doing the same thing that the Goldberg
put him in a pastor I.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Get, which, Look, I'm sorry, that's thanks, Okay, it does,
it's thanks.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And Golder made sense doing that, not John Cena.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Because exactly because I'm just I don't know what they're thinking.
I mean this, I mean against it. Once he lost
the belt back to Cody. Now it's supposed to be
appreciation time and we're supposed to celebrate him.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
And you know, nobody wants to watch him lose a match, right,
nobody does, nobody.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
And but then say he loses the Brocket and if
you look at Wressel's comfort in his last match and
probably lose that one due and that's that just stinks.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Nobody wants that sinks.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Like I said, I was okay with it because I
thought we'll gain more of a story behind it. We've
got nothing and that's the worst part. So they dropped
the ball there. But yeah, I'll take scene in this
one as well. You took scene it right, Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I think he wins this one. Yeah, all right, we have.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Let's see these w w's women Women's Crown Jewel match
between tile match rather between uh steventy block here and
Tiffany Stratton.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Bro I.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Don't want to be a hater, but how's Tippy is
still a champion?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
They just I don't want to be a hater, dude,
I don't, I really don't, but not feeling it's.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Still again, I don't think they this is and this
is another you know, look people talking about it's been
a bad creator. You're this is another example. It's like
they had no plan. I mean, basically, I think they
planned for her to get a big one in Wrestleman
(38:37):
and then they didn't have any plan.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
After that, and.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
And then but then they just had to sit on
and they just had to sit on the belt and
keep wrestling nine jacks over and over again.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
And and I mean I think mm hmm, I.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Mean, I think they were They very much want her
to be you know, rear Ripley horsewomen Oscar.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
They very much want her to be that, but she isn't. Yeah, And.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
So I think the point of having her keep the
belt as long was to try and make her into
that and then have her went at WrestleMania and have
her beat her stratus. And I think all of that
was all that has been in service of trying to
make her into that thing, and she is not. And
but I think the best thing they could have done
(39:37):
since look, I mean, I mean, if you're gonna have
her few nine jacks from January to October, they should
have traded.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
They should have swapped the belt at these ones.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I totally agreefel Now, I totally agree feel that because
because even because that would add more spice of the feud.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
And then and then also I mean you know, and
then you know, and then look, you have the two
of them and Jade. They could have traded the belt
between the three of them.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, and in that way, you.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Know, if you're worried about exposing Jade, then if you know,
if she just if she wins the belt and has
it for a month, and then you don't have to
worry about that, right, And so that would have that
would have been much more interesting between the three of
them if they if they if they passed the belt
around for you know, all year.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
But instead they've just had Tiffany keep it since January.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And I know that does the time you ever do
that kind of stuff, experiment between September and December, experiments
some stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah, and and and now, well now they're kind of
stuck because you know, I think most people, a lot
of people I talked, were hoping that Beyonca is ready
to come back and Banka could just come back and
take it from her. But I get the feeling they
may not do that. I think I get the feeling
that Beyonca comes back, they might ever beat beyond.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
That. Dude, that because I think I think that they are.
They are dead set on.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
You know, like hell and high Warner, like you, people
are going to believe that that that that you know,
that that she is everything we're saying she is.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
And I think they are hell bent on I think
they're the hell bent on that.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
And yeah, I I I look again, I don't. I
I want to sack a hater man, but I just
almost not feeling it, dude, I'm just not feeling it.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
I'm not, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And now they're in a holding pattern. I think they're
in a holding pattern until next year, Untilrumble season and
then to me, and that's that's bad. It's a got
three months ago, we got all October left. If I'm
in December, yeah, and then you know, but anyway, I
will I will take Tiffany with his match because I
think they're gonna they're trying to put as.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Much yeah's you can. You know, they're trying to prove
points and you.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Know what they matter as well out at this point,
they're gonna stick to it, to stick to it, you
know what I mean. So I can't say I hate
hate Hunter for that, but it is what it is,
all right, And Finally, the main event, It is a singles.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Match for the w W chron Jewel Championship between Cody
Rhoads and Seth Rawlins.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Cody Rhoads is three and oh against Seth since coming
back to the w in twenty twenty two, So this
is there's a story there already with that. Yeah, the
story here is Seth in my opinion, because where is
he gonna go? As you said some Mormon, I think
where the Seth story is gonna be colliding with romance
(42:40):
on point. Cody obviously is a little more open ended.
You have the n Yorton thing going on there as well,
so we're probably gonna probably gonna see a Randy Orton
situation there where they probably stopped stop becoming friends and
have a fight. I don't rumble or maybe, but uh,
the story here is really the story here is Seth
Rowlins story here.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah. I think. So he's got a Winnows there's.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
No I mean, yeah, I think he will win it. Yeah,
I don't if he's got clean though, but he'll win.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Oh no, he'll win, and they they've lined up everything
for him because if he doesn't win, I mean, you
can't like I mean because obviously at some point Hayman
is gonna say, you know, okay, enough of this guy,
but you can't.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Do that now.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Way too early for that, Yeah, way you come more on.
But at least of teasing the possibility of them spinning up.
They've teas a couple of times aready possibly possibly them
spinning up a world where seven and uh And for
the record, we we kind of sort of like predicted
that though when when this whole thing happened in Armania,
we said that we all you and I think both
(43:48):
said that, yeah, it's a weird fit and it might
work a little while, but we don't see.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
This being a very long term thing. I think we
all agreed that the whole purpose of this whole thing
was to develop bron Breaker, and bron Breaker would be
the polhiming guy.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
Yeah, I mean that that's yeah, because because honestly, because
they are, I mean they are like in real life,
that's basically what they're doing here, because bron has been
accepted into the you know, yeah, he's been accepted into
the family, so speaking in real life, you know, because
(44:25):
he works out with those guys and everything, and.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, yes, I'm one set there as well. So I
mean to be a good, decent, decent card.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I'm gonna miss it because I'm one, and I'm at
work that's working one o'clock in the morning on Saturday.
And number two, I don't have ESPN and unless they
decided to not lie to me anymore, because remember they
was saying, oh, we've got ESPN, you should be able
to watch it on a problem. And then I went
to log and watch it. I could have watch it,
and right.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Now I am not try to watch with my laptop
because I couldn't get it. I couldn't get to work
through my you.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Know, were able to authenticate on the laptop release though yeah,
I was, yes, okay, okay, I'll have to try that
then on Saturday if I could, because I know when
I tried to do it on the my TV it
kept referring to down on the app.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
So maybe that was the issue.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
But guys, remember eight am because it's in Australia, so
eight am Saturday morning is the show.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Anyway, That's it for me. Anyone to plug well.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
As always, you can hear me and Jason DJ on
the Minas Worthing podcast every week and we're going to
talk about Crown Jewel, of course, and Jason and I
are going to TNA bound for Glory this weekend up
in Massachusetts. And and as always, you can hear me
(45:52):
every two or three weeks on the Robin Genius Podcast.
And I just I do have an episode I just
put out a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
You did, Uh, yes, why did? Why did I get
that hold on?
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Or? Maybe? Okay, I I thought I did. Maybe that's
mean you could be right.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Maybe I didn't pay attention to it. But me let
me check op before sign off. Here, Rob the Genius,
Rob the Genius, Rob the Genius.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Wait, hold on, you did you did?
Speaker 4 (46:22):
You? Did?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
You?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Did?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
You? Did? You?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Did? It passed me? It passed me? Okay, I mean
a little business.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah, I've talked about what I've witnessed being being a
re established a w n b A fan over the
last two years. And let me tell you some of
these w n b A fans are as bad as
wrestling fans.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah. You know, one of these days, when I get
a chance, we'll have a Reculard episode we discussed w
n b A because I mean, I mean, it's it's
it's been really wacky.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
The online fandom is every bit as bad as h
the you know, every bit as bad as every other
fandom on social media.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
I do agree with that.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
The little exports I've seen you with it, it's pretty bad,
alrighty anyway, I'm also I'm on x at e J
Christen seven Falls Cut Anywhere a part of the podcast,
of course, describe on at etret pod, on YouTube, eersty
podcast of course, on any podcast catcher you can find
on TikTok from you guys, TikTok at em pod and
(47:27):
on Instagram well too. Until next episode of this we
will talk to you guys soon and enjoy Crown Jewel
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