WAR GAMES! | FALLS COUNT ANYWHERE - Earnestly Speaking Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
The new Falls count Anywhere partnership podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm your host, Ernest it.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is now go whole week and be about to poast
so virus series here and of course joined here by
of course one third of the Michael Lists of podcast
and of course the host of the Rob the Penis podcast,
airs once.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Every night go maybe one three, one store or whatever.
I'm the genius with us the chorus, Rob, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Brother? And then look, no, I'm in the process of recording. Yeah,
because I'm kind of get one finished before, you know,
should do her a second start, because you know, if
it all goes bad, then then everything.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
You got to be right again.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, no, man, look guess this first this first start
was absolutely perfect for like content engagement because it didn't
end the argument. You know, like he wasn't so good
that that naysayers have to shut up, and he wasn't

(02:12):
and he wasn't so bad that his supporters had to
be quiet. He was literally like right smack dab in
the middle. Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, definitely, man, definitely a good story to watch, at
least at the Browns. Some someone to watch the rest
of the year. You know, I means his development, but anyway,
we're gonna talk about Alacktop on the show today obviously
the Myra series for a couple of days from now.
Also we're going to celebrate the thirty about University of
the debut of the Undertaker the dead Man, of course,
and then I have a question with you about the

(02:41):
Vibors series as a whole, because one of the things
with viber series that I think through the years that
always been something that I had never understood, is like
how they can even nail this thing to what it
should be. We'll talk about it in a second, of course.
Now I already told you fall time for me for
wrestling is here to miss because fall time for me
is content overload.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
And that's not even cool.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's not even including the election years, you know what
I'm saying. So there's an election this year even worse.
But he got football, they got basketball, college football the
whole night. I still gotta be your dad, I still
gotta be your husband. So wrestling does suffer a little bit.
Also as to the fact that I am kind of
sort of boycotting the w W because of my you know.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
The ESPN thing, haven't haven't I bought an ESPN thing yet?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm gonna watch the Sbody restart this weekend. We'll find out.
Maybe maybe watch the weecab again. We'll see what happens there.
But a lot has happened in the last cow weeks
since the last met rob Uh. John Cena last week
had his last ever appearance on Monday Night Rod at
the Garden, and look, it's it's been a little while
since since we've talked about this, and it's been about

(03:52):
ten days since that event happened. So not so much
the raw Uh finale for him, but you were closely
on the end, weeks away from the end, and I
gotta be honestly, man, it hasn't for me.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
After he turned back.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
To Babyface before SummerSlam, I've checked out, bro, I haven't now,
to be fair, I haven't checked I checked out everything
in wrestling for the time being, because again I got
told you things are happening. Thing it's busy, but the
scene thing to me has not really been interesting since
turning back, honestly, And I think also what I'm struggling
to the fact that if there was, if there was

(04:32):
this whole Cogan for example, retiring like this have the
same like pomp circumstance retiring, I'd be more invested because
I lived through the Hogan thing. Because John Cena is
not my guy. You know, I love John Cena and
I you know, Mat Rushfare guy, and I grew with
the whole thought of said because he's not my guy.
Because I didn't I didn't experience the John Seena peak

(04:53):
in real time, I don't have the same investment than
others have. So I think that's why I'm not as
like attached to a story. Yeah, I was attached initially
with the Heel Turn the first couple months. We will
talk about it in the podcast, and then after that
with the ship, But other than that, I haven't really
been invested. Again, I'm having having been the guy. I
love the guy. He's doing the right thing. I'm enjoying

(05:16):
his new.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Show on HBO.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Peacemaker, but the actual send off, I'm not invested now. Look,
I think I will watch the last main event on
the thirteenth of December because you have to. But like
I said, I'm just not invested, bro. I mean, I mean,
I mean, how do you feel? I mean, I know,
I know you were checked up a little bit too.
Also when you came back to the movie before I did,

(05:41):
you know, so where are you in the whole scene
of thing?

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Now? Okay, so I came back in in twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Right, he was still in this peak relatively, and that.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Was also the height of people particular, you know, let's
go seeing and scene what sucks and yeah, and so
for me, I never understood that, and I had people
explaining to me why, you know, they were just satisfied
to why people were chanting and sucks and and and

(06:13):
to me, every explanation I got from people, I was
just like, man, it's a bullshit. Okay, because I grew
up with Holkogan. You know, I knew about Bruno San Martino,
and I just understood that, you know, when they have
a babyface that is suitable that guy has a long

(06:37):
run and he stays a babyface and he you know,
and that's just what it is. Yeah, I mean, you know, Bruno,
Bob Becklan Hogan, you know, and you know, Austin and
Rock didn't have the traditional babyface personalities, but that's the
role they were playing because especially Austin was pitted against

(06:59):
the evil mister McMahon. Right, Yeah, despite his personality being
different you know, he was still playing the baby face role.
Had you know, and had he been twenty five when
he started and not thirty five, and his you know,
his knees and his back and all that were in

(07:20):
better shape, he would have had a longer run. He
would have gone ten years, yeah, doing that. So for me,
that's just what it was. And I did not get
why these people were upset about that, you know, with John,
I just to me, I just felt like these people
just being stupid, to be fun.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
To be honest, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Though that whole thing ended though, probably about five years ago,
like drink Covid when he came back, I think in
twenty twenty one, and that few. I mean, I think
when you credit Roman too also, because by then Romans
ready to heal. He's ready, he's right, ready, got run.
When when when Sina can put the money to bay
Iman Kingdom surprised money bank and hyped up Maxis sumerslam,

(08:04):
that's Roman.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
They haven't hurt the scene of.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Suck things since then, true, and other than at the
heel turning to course us here other than that, but.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I yeah, I mean, and I think him not being
around as much kind of quieted some of the you know,
Tarboro Fonder kind of thing. Oh, I guess, yeah, I guess,
you know, I guess, I don't know. To me, it's
it's all, it was all very stupid to me, I mean,
and and to me and you know, and you know

(08:38):
when they started to push Roman and some people were built,
I thought that was stupid also, Yeah, because again you
know to me that you know again, that's just what
it is. Right, They're going to look for the guy
that you can plug in as the baby face at
the top of the company. If they find that guy

(09:00):
and it works, they're gonna stick with him for a decade.
And that's what it is that particular WWA, right, I
mean other companies, other places, well might do something different,
but they that is all that has been their bread
and butter. Yeah, and when they don't have one, they're

(09:20):
gonna look for one. And so.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I and I guess for me.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
And also the fact that a lot of the people
doing the complaining were like thirty years old, right, Yeah,
I'm like, y'all should know better, y'all should know how
this is. Y'all should know how this works.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's a good point.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
I mean, when I talk about. I mean, when I'm
talking about, these weren't like rebellious teenagers who were mad
about it. These people were thirty thirty five years old,
like y'all should know how this works. I mean, y'all move,
y'all said, I mean, y'all don't go to movies and
boot Captain America, do you? Or they don't boost Superman?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right, I Superman because I'm a super fan. But this
is about what I mean.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Okay, these are the same These are the same people
the guy. These are the same people that have got
really upset when you know, they made Superman just a
tiny bit not as bright and smiley. Okay, got really
upset about that. Okay, so again to me, you you

(10:31):
know what, if you know, if you're thirty five years
old and you've been watching pro wrestling for a while,
you know what it is. Yeah, And so for you
to be upset about this, I thought those people were
just being really stupid.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
And so.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
I've always enjoyed seeing his work. And you know, again,
and I grew up you know again, we grew up
poker Man acts, so you know he's not the guy
we grew up with. No, but I've really come to
appreciate his work. And I guess for me, in the

(11:12):
fact that he was so embattled by so many people,
you know, for what I and for what I thought
was really really stupid reasons, did kind of endear him
to me. And because you know, well, look, my two
favorite wrestlers are people who are embattled for really stupid reasons. Also, yeah,

(11:33):
so that just so for me, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
So I asked, I was.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Intrigued by the heel turn, and look, I thought for
the longest time they should never do it. I did
think doing it. I did think of doing it now
or doing it this year.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I thought.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I didn't think it was a good idea because you
could do it, and because I always knew that they
were going to turn him back in time for him
to finish as a baby face. So I thought doing
the heel thing now later on, you know, late in
his career, just to see it would be I didn't
think that was just like when we went Hollywood, hogn right,

(12:18):
he did it at the right time, right, I mean,
Hogan went hell exactly the right time, and it's part
to do. So I was intrigued by it, and you know,
the execution, of course, was very up and down, and
the down parts were in my opinion, really bad. And

(12:42):
then you know when they flipped him back, Yeah, no,
I hadn't. You know. I was happy to see him
flip back. And because to me, when you go out
like yeah, I mean the last few months should be victory,
a big victory laugh. And so of course when they

(13:02):
didn't think that Broc had pissed me off because.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
That made no sense because he Okay, there was no
there was there was a build, there's a match, and well,
first of the there was the build and then there
was nothing for a couple of weeks, there was a
match and then that was it and then we goss.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Ways, yeah, there's the probably have what he had, but
there's a problem when he when you know when the
end is coming.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
And yeah, and then that was one of those things
nobody wanted to see that, nobody right, Like I mean,
there there were other things like like did we want
to see him versus Randy with the dynamic flipped, Yes,
we want to see him versus Punk with the hero

(13:48):
baby face dynamic flip.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
The right thing was cool, though, the right thing was
really really good. That's the thing, that's why, because Punk,
but we.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Did but we were. We were actually interested and seeing
those two matches with the with the heel face dynamically right,
And I think that's why it worked, right. Nobody was
Nobody wanted to see him get beat up by Broccolessner. Again,
nobody wanted that.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, no, I didn't mind it, but yeah, but Rob
but as my caveat dealt number one, my Brock guy
number two, I thought we were getting a story.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Well, yes, that's the thing. Well, okay said nothing right,
nobody nobody was asking for him to go out there
and do a one off of Brock and get and get,
you know, and then that's it, right, because what purpose
does that? Sirt?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, that purpose whatsoever?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
And and Brock didn't like Brock didn't need to do
that to re establish himself. We all know who Brock is, right,
I mean, he didn't. I mean, I mean the idea
is they well they I don't know what the logic
was there. I mean the only thing I've heard was
that that, oh they're just they're just you know, going
through all the kind of beats that he went through

(15:01):
in his career, and you know, I just I don't
think that didn't serve any purpose for anybody, right, and
you know, and the crowdship on it, and you know,
I mean that's why that event, that whole event got
you know.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
By Russell. Yeah, yeah, I mean so forgotten.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well just it it just it puts Yeah, it just
put a dark It put a dark cloud over the
whole show because nobody wanted that.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
So let me ask you this question then, because this
is the main thing I want to ask you about
this topic. Are you invested in this Sena? I think
the end of it because you you you because like me,
you've actually had some years where you were able to
experience Sena's peak ish, you know, for a couple of

(15:58):
years before you became a part timer.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
So are you invested in the way that I'm not
because I was not able to really experience it the
same way.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yes, Now, I'll admit that I have no interest in
seeing him lose his last match, and that's what it
looks like it's gonna be. So I am I'm starting
I've been I have, I've been very interested up to
this point, but now I'm I'm kind of starting to

(16:29):
lose some interest because it looks like they're going to
send them out with a loss and I'm just you know,
I'm not up that. I mean, I know there's people
in the i w C who are I had this
idea that you should, well you should go out with
a loss and put somebody over anywhere out the door.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
And it's gotta makes sense. Sorry, I'm with you. It's
gotta makes sense.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
And you know what, like look, Taker went out with
a win, Staying went out with a win. You know,
particularly if you're if you're a babyface hero in particular,
then nobody wants to see you lose your last match.
They want to see you ride off into the sunset
one more time.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
I mean, no, no, nobody want you know, It's just
I mean, it's one of those to me, that's one
of those stupid you know i w C things where
there's there's there's some there's some Internet fans we have
this obsession with, like, well, you know, if you're you
should put people over, if you're a big name person,
you could if you get to a certain point in

(17:36):
your career, you know that you should just focus on
putting people over after that. And right, you know, I
want good television, I want good stories, you know what.
And the people who made me feel good as a fan.
I want them to make me feel good one more
time when they're.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Living exactly exactly, you know, and so.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Personally, I mean, because the way this turner is shaken
out looks like they're gonna win, and you know. And
then to me, I have no interest in seeing Duntha
b Johnson and that be scenes.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
With the last match. I just don't that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Like when Hogan lost to Yogazuna, it made sense because
yogo Zuna was no dominant was the dominant force there
and even took that and ran with that for a
whole year until those time to Brett in ninety four.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah. And then also and there was some there was
some real life backstage heat between and Brett where they
just wanted him to get the hell out of there
at that point, right, true, true, But this is not
that I mean, man.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Because I will be watching the last four weeks because
it is last cool weeks, and I'm sure there's some
things that made some maybe some prices there. But like
I said, because I was not part of the Scena
build in real time, I don't have the same investment
like that they would take her like have with Hogan.
And you know all those all the guys who've lost
even I have. I even have more investing in Goldberg

(19:11):
because I watched Goldberg's rise.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
In the nineties.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know what I'm saying, I don't have the test
of the scene in the same way now. Having said that,
watching the scene in hindsight, I'm a huge fantasenas obviously,
but it's different when then when you're watching it in
real time, when you actually are experiencing the titles, experiencing
the storylines in real time, it's a lot different. Like
people don't understand how good Hogan was because these kids

(19:36):
don't get it because they weren't really there to understand
it in real time.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
How big this guy was. We live Hokke and Hookomania,
we can Jokemania.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Was, Yeah, And like I guess for me, Another example
would be like with rap music, I just can't get
with the current stuff. No, I'm with you, Like, like, okay,
I I listen, I can hear. I can listen to
Kendrick Lamar and I can I can acknowledge that he's
really great at what he does. But I'd rather go

(20:09):
listen to you. I'd rather go put Wu Tang on again.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Me too, I'm a big fan, but him and Wu
Tang course.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, because like if you if you go through my
own like you know, music, my music playlist that I've curated,
it's it's Wu Tang publican me. You know, all stuff
from when I was in college, basic, in high school
and college basically because that's what I grew up with. Yeah, yes, yes,

(20:44):
you know, and so tribe, you know, and for me
like that, you know, and just like it was like
Mike and Lebron, right, you know, look for me, Mike
was the enemy Knicks fan. Yeah, you asked me who
better Michael Lebron, Mike all day, Michae all day. Yeah,

(21:07):
And I don't care. I don't care. I don't care
what numbers you pulled out of your ass, did you know?
You know? I don't care, all right, But but you know,
so for me, no, Sena is not It's not the
same as when I grew up watching Ho Covid and
Rick Flair and Dusty Rhodes. But I did, yes, I
did overtime develop some attachment to him. I am gonna

(21:30):
be it's gonna be kind of sad to see him go.
And and then no, I don't like that. They're more
likely sending him out with the loss.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
I right, don't like that.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Right, another another person who we had attack him too
growing up. And we're going to about now uh this, uh,
this year, this week whatever. Last week was the three
five universary of the debut of the Undertaker, mister Mark
Callaway himself.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Of course we did.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
He debut Courus on nineteen ninety at the Survivors series
in nineteen ninety. Did you watch that in real time?

Speaker 4 (22:07):
No? I watched, like I did not. For whatever reason,
I missed that one. Now. Funny is I saw him
a few months prior to that ww American Bash in Baltimore. Right,
he was me and Mark Callas and he wrestled like
Luke hurt and I saw I saw that.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
So did become that show one time? Becoming a show
one time?

Speaker 3 (22:33):
On MetroPath we watched we watched a couple of the matches,
Yeah right, but I'm not that one often.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
We didn't watch that one, but we watched a couple
of the other matches from yah show.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's the fuel.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
So when I saw him, you know, I saw him.
I was watching the WWE television, you know, the week
after Survivor series. Yeah, you know, and I saw the Undertaker,
I was like, oh, that's me and Mark Callous. Oh yeah,
but it's you know, thirty five years and you know,

(23:03):
we've said that is arguably you know, the it's what
we're talking about. We're talking about characters the Defense created.
It's arguably the best woman you know.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I don't know, I don't know arguable. I think it's arguable.
I think this probably is the worst creative character created.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Like well, I mean when you consider that that they
got thirty years out of that, yeah and be good,
you know, which is more than more Milers. And and
they've got not any other characters the Defense ever created. Yeah,

(23:42):
and yeah, so it's and you know, his debut, like
his first two years in nineteen nine debut and the
ninety one he won the World Championship on the same show. YEP.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I always wondered why they took all of him so
quick anyone. I never heard any answers in the back
backstage about that because he was he was over like
it was a heel. But yeah, he had his he
had his He was one of those guys that he
was a heel. He had his fans though he had
his fans back then, and you know, I remember I

(24:20):
didn't watching it in real time, but I remember.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Seeing the character.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
The first couple of weeks after got Surviers Servey's debut.
I remember saying, dude, this is different, like we've seen
big characters for this is different. Like he nailed like, dude,
he nailed that character down so science like he had
me having nightmarors. I remember I was I was ten
years old, one debut so and I was watching in
real time, and he had me frightened.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
You know what I'm saying. I remember that Mascus Hogan
in ninety one.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I was scared for Hogan's life, you know, because I
was still just look good, you know, like, oh Man
hokau get destroyed the Hunter Taker. You know, did you
ever did you think in real time though, when he
saw that ibously who he was, But did you think
in real time seeing on Taker that dude, this guy
could be a legend, ten fifteen, twenty thirty years on

(25:10):
the road.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Did you? Could you have seen that even back then.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
In nineteen when he debuted in nineteen ninety, No, because
again I had seen me and Mark Callous, Me and
Mark Callus was very talented, he was also kind of bland.
And I was sixteen at this point, right, so my
first thing was was this was some yeah, and this
was just some wacky characters. WWF character Here we go again,

(25:38):
right right, but now, But for me, it was a
few months later at WrestleMania seven he wrestled Jimmy Snooker
mm hmm, and I remember listening to the crowd reaction
for him, and then that's where I thought, like, that's
where I thought they might really have something, because it

(26:02):
was very similar to the Road Warriors, where because earlier
on in their career, like they were the heels, but
they were so dominant and they were so just they
were so cool with the you know, with the face
pain and the black vests and coming down to the
Iron Man and just beating the ship out of people

(26:23):
that even though they were the heels, it got over
right because it was I mean, it was just it
was too cool to keep doing. Yeah, And so I'm
you know, the reaction he got at WrestleMania seven and
he wrestled Jimmy's and Jimmy Snooker was a legend, you know,
but he was getting cheered like he was a babyface,
and you know, you can the gimmick was the whole

(26:49):
aura and the whole presence. And you know that he's
damn there, seven feet tall and he's dressed in all black,
and you know, he was just he was beating the
ship out of people, and you know, and he and
he was doing you know, and he could really move
for like a dude was almost seven feet tall, yep.
And so it just it got over. And he said,

(27:12):
when I saw him Wrestlemingia seven, that's when I thought, okay,
like this might okay, like see people are taking this
and you know, they might really have something here. And
when he when he fought Hogan and survivor serious and
not when he was getting cheered during that match.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
He was I remember that. I remember that too.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I'mber saying myself, oh my first time I've seen holging
get not booed, but people fifty fifty almost fifty fifty
crowd in a sense in this, you know, watching that match.
The big move they made though, in that space between
the debut and of course it's something a seven you
mentioned there. The big move really that really made the
character work was changing managers. People forget brother blab it was.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
It was a manager first, Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Then in went to Paul Beer about two months come
months later after that, Paul Beer, what Paul Bear was
the absolute final piece of that package that made it work.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, because because he, I mean he completely you know invested. Yeah,
he completely bought in to it. Because and look, and
that's we've That's always the key with just with those
way wacky over the top kind of gimmicks or over
it's like, if it's like a comedy gimmick or something,

(28:28):
you have to like, you have to buy in and
you gotta jump in both feet and just go all
the way with it for it to work, because the
audience knows if you're doing if they've stuck you with
some gimmick and you don't really like that doing that ship. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
The original name was also Kine the Undertaker, which of
course is fitting because seven years later Kane his brother
becoming a thing.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
But yeah, I I could not I knew he would
be a I knew he'd be a big deal. I
didn't think he'd be what he was though, what he became.
I never would have saw that coming. But you know,
a potential Mott Rushmore a guide the greatest character in
history of the company, but probably for wrestling in general
that DNA see coming. So to me, the success of

(29:20):
that character is just I think what made that work
also too was the reinvention of that character. So you
had like even that the first ten years, you know,
you have the the dead Man, you know, the the
you know, the Undertaker, ice, pale face Taker. Then it
evolves a little bit every couple of years into like
the you know, the purple and you know, and then

(29:40):
it goes into the you know, the post Paul Bear
part when Paul Bear is gone for you know, a
couple of years, and he becomes you know, more more gothic,
and then he goes through the whole like almost satanic
Taker in the late nineties, then that gets a little old,
so he goes into like gold the Biker. You know,
I wasn't a fan of the Biker to personally take
her my opinion, but I appreciate the the the nu

(30:03):
once of trying new things and whatnot. I never would
have thought in nineteen ninety watching these soartsores nineteen ninety,
you know that this dude would be we looking back
thirty years later through four years later, twenty all time grades.
He says, snug top ten guy all time, you know,
and snug like top he probably top five, top six,

(30:26):
you know, no lord in the six my opinion. So
I know when I saw I never want to saw
that coming. No, WHENA saw that coming, honestly, but.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Uh yeah, I get again at the very beginning I
did not see it. But again again at a few
months later at that Russell when Yeah, that's when I saw, Okay,
they got something there.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, I don't know, like to me, like, I still
I would like to know why they took the belt
off of him three days later?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
What was that planned?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Well, I guess because they were doing they were doing
that event. It was a paper, it was a pay
per view, and it was I think it was just
kind of an experiment they were doing. I don't know,
I don't know if the price was cheaper then you know,
and then then the normal slate the pay per views,
but it was it was on a Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Night and Tuesday in Texas, right, Yes, So it was.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
I think they were, you know, they because they had
done a couple of like experimental things, like because a
couple of years prior they did like that in the
whole barred cage match or something. Yeah, and you know,
now it was just like just like a random day
in December or something, So they were trying little experiments
with pay per views outside of the regular schedule. So

(31:53):
my guess, I mean, unless there's some backstage issue that
they just wanted they wanted to do something, you know,
to make you make you want to yeah, by it,
I guess, or by the next one.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Right, And that could also because because none of that,
for Vince to do that to also put it on
Taker back to hoping thre days later.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
That's as aeron booking though they were doing back in
nineteenety one that he did not do with that time.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Yeah, and then they ended up just vacating the title
and altogether Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
So too.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
But well and also look this was at a time
where they were going through a down cycle. So yeah,
they were were you know, they were they were throwing
stuff at the wall to see what's stuck at that
at that point. Yeah, Like I don't think they would
I don't think they would have done that. Well, I
mean this if it had been like nineteen eighty seven,
they wouldn't have had him lose the built the Taker

(32:52):
in the first place.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
That's true, but this was it was a different time. Yeah,
part of that shifts we saw in the early nineties.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, because you know, the business was going through a
down cycle.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Mhm.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
They had to just you know, they were everybody was
just trying stuff to see, you know, what could what
they could get the stick and so you know, Hogan
lost the title sooner than he would have previously because
he had just wanted to WrestleMania seven. So in previous
years he would not have lost the Survivor Series. Well,

(33:30):
they might not even had a title mate, they might
not even haven't defended the Survivor Series in previous years.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
And that was the first ever time match on Survivor
Series ever. Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
It was. It was.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
It was a time of just a lot of turmoil
and trying new things, just trying new things. See his sticks,
let's see his sticks in the wall.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I get it, I get it. But you know, take
her three five years man, unbelievable. Still looking back.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
You know, before we get to the preview for this
year's war game, Survivors SERVI War Games, I want to
ask you a questions. This is something I always want
to figure out for some reason of all the big
four events and you want to include uh money in
the bank reactory that toos Well, SummerSlam has its place,
Roy Rumble has its place, WrestleMania definitely has its place,

(34:17):
and we know what it is. These three events know
who they are, They know where they stand in the
pack in order. They know who they are and what
they represent for the time period that they're they're used.
For some reason through the years, Survivra Series has been
the one event that w Ee can't see the fucking
figure out what it really means, what it is.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
And I know that there was a time period where
I don't know what years it was.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I forgot it definely go out when I was out
stop watching wrestling, but it was quite a few years
where they stopped doing it for a couple of years
for a little while.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I don't know, I kind of years.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
It wasn't exactly because you remember Survivors Series back in
the day, so obviously the strongest survive obviously you know,
you know Elevation nack Tag teams all that first couple
of years, and then he saw tweaks thirty years.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Then by the nineties it became pretty much a regular
pay per view.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
One of the bigger reviews, the Fall Classic you'll call it,
And to me, I was, I was okay with that
because because there are a lot of big moments. In fact,
the biggest moments in that in that event's history were
actually the nineties, honestly, real thing about it, the biggest
events think about it. The screw Job in ninety seven. Yeah,
so that's what start out like, Yeah, the divisors not

(35:35):
in the nineties. Honestly, late nine Switches two were way
more consequentially than Mars've seen seeing the history of the
of the event. Ninety six, Sean was the title to
said ninety six, ninety seven, didn't they didn't Brett beat
Diesel in ninety five.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Oh so so take your debute in ninety he won
the title in ninety one, right, Uh, Brett beat Diesel
in ninety five Sean lost his sign and then that
and that match and now was the match where Sid
got cheered like a baby facing show. Yeah, yeah, ninety
seven you had to screw Job. And ninety eight was

(36:12):
when the corporate Yeah, and and that's honestly, that was
the real launching pad for like from when we Foley
became a top guy out of that event.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, so so to me, like the nineties were I
thought gave you the placement where it what it should
have been the rest of its time.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
But for some reason has a hard time figuring out
what the hell Survirus series is. Now we're doing war games.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
The work has been coming to do the thing for
the last quite quite a while, now, these last eight years,
right close to that.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Okay, well, well on the main roster has been since Okay,
now they've been they they did it in n XT
starting in like twenty seventeen, so there's so they've been
doing war games matches since twenty seventeen. It's just they

(37:10):
were in NXT for like the first four or five years.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I guess my question, Rob is why is it hard
to just nail what some ARA series says?

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Well, okay, so the first few years the entire card
was elimination matches, right, but then around you know, but
then when you got to like ninety one ninety two, well,
for one, the roster was a lot smaller because.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
They let a lot of people go, yeah, because of
financial so.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
They didn't have the roster to do four elimination matches
anymore or five elimination matches, they didn't have the roster
to do it, you know, so they had to cut
back on the elimination matches. And then I think honestly,
from there, I just think they kind of got into
a pattern of doing one of the one or two

(38:01):
elimination matches, and they started, you know, the the like
the year long booking changed so that you know, November
just wasn't a focal point anymore. When you got to
the two thousands and then the other Big four paper

(38:25):
he just became more important because remember like the World
Rumbo wasn't that important for the first couple of years
to ninety two. Yeah, so and then Summer Slam, like
like when was the first really pivotal thing to happen
at SummerSlam?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, Warrior Hanky, But but even.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
I mean that wasn't a company changing thing. Oh.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I mean, it's just like so like you know, like.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
I think like ROCKB when Brock won the title in
two thousand and two.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's one I would say, what the ninety two SummerSlam
ninety two?

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Uh? I mean, I mean I'm talking about something that
was like really changed the very the fabric of the
entire m, Like the screw Job in ninety seven changed
the entire fabric of everything. There were definitely big payoffs
in the nineties, I would say Summer Slam, but nothing
like that changed the dynamic of the entire company really,

(39:24):
So I think what happened is in the two thousands,
SummerSlam kind of started doing that because again you had
prop because you know, in particular, that just shifted everything,
even though Broader didna stick around much longer, but that
became Summer Slam became more of an important event in

(39:45):
the two thousands, and I think and then sort of
the World Rumble, and I think that just so I
think in turn, those just kind of took some of
the shine away from Cyber series. And now it's just
I think it's you know, they've been trying different things,
and I think it's just it's I think it's hard

(40:11):
just to it's hard to maintain any of these formats
for more than a few years.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
But why but what robertson my thing too? Why why
does it have to be something special? Why can this
be a regular Fall classic pay per view? The name
itself is big enough. The name Survivors series is synonymous
with Roy Rumble. It's anonymous for WrestleMania, it's anonymous with SummerSlam.
Why does it have to be X y Z? Why
can it be a big event in the fall? Okay,

(40:38):
a big four Okay for the fall? Okay, you put
a big payoff match in there and call the day.
Why does it have to be an animation match? It
could people want to have a match two there?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Does it have to be that? It could be a
regular card?

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Well, because honestly, because I think, well, I think it's
it's just lazy booking.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Would you agree with me though on that?

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Though? What I mean, okay, if I think they just
the fall, they.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Just the name should sell something. That's a That's my
point there. The name of some sell the show.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, And I think if but they they you know,
they kind of take they a lot of times in
the Fall, they take their foot off the gas as
far as the booking and the creative and if they
were you know and so you needed so they they

(41:36):
decided just to make it a gimmick show, rely on
the gimmicks. So we had the you know, once they
did the brand split in twenty sixteen, they started you
know that that eventually turned into the brand versus brand.
And but the problem with that is, though, is that

(41:57):
when you know, you start doing these champion versus champi
in matches, right, well, it's just well, one, you know,
somebody got lose. And and then the other thing is
that it limits it. I mean, it limits the matchups
you can do because you know, if you're gonna do
world champion versus world champion, and you know, women's world

(42:20):
champion versus women's World champion, if you're gonna do those
matches on the pay per view, then it limits who
you can put in those matches because you know, if
you know, because if you try to if you try
to experiment with somebody new, you know, the crowd may
not care. So it kind of you're you're limited on
who you can put in those matches because if you

(42:42):
look like when they when they did when they did
the brand versus Brand took it on the women's side,
like I mean, it was they had like the same
you know, two or three women in most of those matches.

(43:03):
But but but you kind of have to because it's
you know, because I mean, like but it ran its course.
And that was not a problem with with the War
Games though, is that you have to magically get storylines together,
you know, to warrant putting the team together, just by

(43:24):
putting the teams together. And we see this particularly on
the women's side, is that they always they literally like
slapped the storylines together in the last month.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, what do
you say? Makes sense?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
But but to me, if if they go and cruise
control during the fall again, the name itself to sell
the show. You shouldn't need to do much because the
name sells itself. It's a big enough name. I mean,
these things lasted. The things almost as old us Mania.
It's only two years younger in WrestleMania. Like, it shouldn't

(44:04):
be the hard it's older Roy Rumble. It's older than SummerSlam,
not by much, but you know still it's been we know,
every fall. My toy year old son knew this way
back when, Hey, what's coming up? Yeah, Savira series. Hello,
we know no members of the subber series. It's always

(44:25):
the Thanksgiving event. It should not be that hard. It
should not be that complicated to to figure out what
Savira series is. If you want, if you want to.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Be a limation elimination match, so be it. You have
to be it.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Can be a regular event, book your biggest matches of
that fall and plow offs at that time.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Well, and then the other thing is like you have to,
like the first few years, like you have to you're
gonna do all elimination matches, and that means you can't
take your foot off the gas creatively because you have to.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
And I hate I hate that too, because you know
why good now that you put up in a corner
booking wise now matches good guys and bad guys stupid.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
It's it's not an eighties anymore, bro.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Well, because I mean, well, the thing is like the
captains of the team were people who are feuding with
each other. And so if you're gonna do five elimination matches,
then that means you got a book if you do
four men's matches and one women's match, or now you
can do three men's matches and two women's matches, but
that means creatively they have to book that many feuds,

(45:36):
you know, at at a high level. And I mean, bab,
I mean you got you got five different feuds at
a level in which any of them could be the
main event on the paper.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
And they don't.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
They don't do that no, they don't be right, and
nor should they. Yeah, I mean, to me, it's silly,
like you don't need that anymore.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
You can just do what they did it again.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
The way they did it in the nineties was perfect,
a regular card, regular matches. They put your biggest match
in the fall there.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Oh yeah, but that was the thing they made during
the nineties. There were big things that happened on that show. Yeah.
So I mean I'm trying to think of a big
thing that's happened since then on some Maras series. Well,
I think like the look, I mean, the biggest thing

(46:35):
I can think of as far as like a ground
changing thing that happened on the show probably twenty twelve
in the Shield debut. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
But the reason why I don't think has happened since
because they haven't treated like a big show anymore.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
That's that's the thing. That's my point.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Oh well, okay, that's interesting because right, I mean, it
didn't feel important anymore and because yeah, so like the
earth shattering thing that really happened was when the Shield
came out in twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, a long time.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah, and you know, because those three guys literally took
over the company, right, and because you know, I'm trying
to think since then, like what's happened? They've had some
great matches on the show, but I mean, well, okay,
a couple of years ago when when Punk came back

(47:26):
at the end, yes, that was two years. That was
two years. So within just so since in the last
what thirteen years, there's been basically two kind of big
earth shattering kind of things that have happened on that show,
the Shield debuting and then Punk coming back. So there's

(47:49):
a lot of years in between where they've had some
great matches, but nothing really you know, nothing that really
shifted the ground in the company.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Right in the Today Show, I will say this much though,
there's a great transition. This year is just feel very
important though, because the fact they're doing it in a
stadium at Petco Park is kind of sick. So this one,
I'll get us to our preview now of Survivors Series
war Games, the twenty twenty five edition we have for

(48:21):
I've c four matches of course, to take place on Saturday,
November between ninth in San Diego, California.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
At Petco Park. As I mentioned home up the San
Diego Padres.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
We have right now four matches scheduled, and I think
you think this four metro stick is thinking to add
one more.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Well, they only got one more out of TV and
that's pre taped, so yeah, so that's pretty much.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I think we're six set then problem pretty much. Yeah,
so four matches here we go.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
First match, seventy five care and Nikki Bella for the
Women's World Championship.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
What do you got?

Speaker 4 (48:54):
I think Stephanie is going to win. Personally, I don't
know why they booked this mess for the show because
I'm saying that because.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Because Nikki that's why.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Well boy, okay, but okay, she's been doing nothing but
losing for the past three months.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, which I'm surprised, but they allowed to do that.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
And that's that's what I don't get. She's been doing
nothing but losing for the past three months. They booked
this match. She's more than likely going to lose again,
and what's the point it?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Girls over? I guess I don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
I mean, I mean, yeah, I just I don't see
what I don't see. I don't see the logic here
doesn't make sense to me as far as but.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
What I can see here is her winning the match
and then holding a bell for at least a Roy
Rumble and then losing.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
I think that would be personally, that's exactly what I
think you should again during the fall, That's exactly when
you should do stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
You know, because look I've said before, think you know,
I thought that they should have had Drew McIntyre win
the bill from Cody during this time. Yep, this is
when you should do stuff like that. And so for me,
I think Niggi Bella should win, just give given the circumstances,
given that she's done, She hasn't won anything of note

(50:22):
since she's come back, and I just don't see the
point in having it again. But I think they just
booked this match to you know, I don't think they're
thinking that way. I think they're just gonna have Stephanie
win and you know, and keep going.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
You might be right, but I'm gonna pick Nicko Bella
wins the match. That's right here. I'm gonna I'm gonna
think they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Give nick a little bit of a run with the
title for two months and then lose Backer Rumble and
then call the day. So I'm pic nick in this one,
all right. Next match, we have these singles match for
the w W Interconinal Championship between John Stena the champion
and Dominic mysteriou yea, So Dominic did lose the title.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
To Sina.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I thought Donald a hole at least still rumble or
even beyond. But the scene look again, the scene scene
leaving a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
So what are you doing? This is this scene to
get to get his Grand Slam? Just to get his
Grand Slam? That's it? Okay? Cool? I don't I don't
think he'll keep the title. At least here's what two
more matches left left?

Speaker 4 (51:28):
This one he's got, he's got this in the and
then the last one.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, yeah, hold the title. That's long? So did the
The answer is easy, nominate Mysteria here.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Yeah. I think I think this is just the most
obvious one. I think.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, this is to be honest, I'm part seen a
thing wrestling in with Cervisson. Honestly, this is my opinion.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
So all right, all right, you.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Have the Women's War Games match between you got Ray
Ripley on one siding a Ripley.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
EO Sky Alexa Bliss, Stem Player.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
A g Lee the other side of you have Naya
Jack's last legend, the Kabuki Wars of Oscar Kyrie saying,
and Becky Lynch, it's fun.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Yeah, and this one this the Women's war Games always
opens the show. Yeah, and the baby Faces always win.
I don't think that changes here.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I don't see anything happening on the on the Heels side.
That's not anything that they're gonna win. I mean, maybe, Becky,
I don't know, but no, I think I think Ria's
Ria's team team Riha. I want to call that. We'll
take this down. I'm with you as well, all right.
And then the men's workings match. You got one side.
You got CM Punk, Cody Roads, the use O Jay
and Jimmy and the Rember Rains versus the Vision Breaker

(52:39):
and Bronson, Reid Logan, Paul Drew, Mcatire and Brock Lessner
use who guess this one?

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I think the Heels win this one.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I do too.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
I think told too, because you know, I think, well,
the two guys with belts are on the baby Face side.
You know you got and look, you got Brock over
there with the Heels. And I think because this kind
of reconstituted version of the vision that they had they

(53:12):
had to throw together because Seth got injured, like they
had something.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
What do you think, somebody that you like it?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I mean, I'm so far. I mean, look, they were
you know, they were forced into doing it, so because
Seth got injured. So I think given that, I think
what they're doing is has been fine. I think they
have the right people involved. You know, Logan Paul thing
was a little awkward at first, but I think he's
he's fitting with him just fine. Yeah, because Rock fits

(53:42):
because of Hayman and Drew just fits because you know,
he hates people on the other team. So yeah, yeah,
I mean, so the logic like he hates Punk, he
hates Cody, he doesn't like Roman either, so I mean
it's a very perfect logical fit to put him on

(54:03):
the team.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Yeah, I think the Heels win this one too, Like
I said, Like I said, I think the Heels is
the better team my opinion, actually, one of the better
subsis I think I've ever seen on paper.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Oh yeah, I mean, because I mean Brock Brown, Breaker Bronson.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Yeah, I guess my question for you is, beyond Survivor series,
on the men's side, where do we go from here?
Between now and rumble, Like what what? What stories are
gonna be percolated after we leave this San Diego. That's
why I want to I want to see what exactly
I'm gonna like, where's Brock gonna fit in all this?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Now?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Beyond the Syber series? Where is you know, who's the PA?
Was Roman's next next opponent? You know that that's I
want to know going forward?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Well, I think, Okay, I think Roman is definitely winning
a rumble this year. Okay, I think, I mean, I
think that's happening cool because it's it's time. It's I mean,
it's time, it's time, you know. And and look, that
would be also kind of one, you know, one more

(55:15):
point of redemption for him because when he wanted previous
he got booted out of the building in Philadelphia. M h.
And I just that's well, I think it's just the time.
I mean, I think and honestly, because I think he
was gonna win even before Seth. I think I was
thinking previous that he was going to win and go
challenge Seth and seven WrestleMania. I can't do that now. Yeah,

(55:39):
but uh, I think because who, I mean, who else
are you? Who else are gonna win. I mean they don't,
you know, they don't. They don't do a lot of
they don't do experimenting with rumbo victory because I mean
every year there are people saying, oh they should they
should take a chance on this person or blah blah blah.
They don't experiment with rumbo wins.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
They they they they For example, Jay us so won
to Rumble was because they thought that Jay was ready.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Yeah, and he had already been established, he had been
in the main event.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
For example.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Yeah. So it's like, you know, that was not some
grand that they weren't taking a chance. They weren't gambling
with Jay. They thought again you know, they were pretty
set yeah with him rocket ship somebody. Yeah. So they
don't experiment. So they don't experiment very often.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
I'm more curious how Brock will we use between now
rumbling and beyond.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
That's what I want to that's I want to know.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Well, because I mean, the rumor is that it's gonna
be him and Gun through WrestleMania speak. Great, that's the rumor.
And then the rumor was that what was going to
be before the whole thing happened.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Right right, Gun will be based No no, oh no,
I just.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Think they're just I think they're just too dudes to
go fight each other.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
To ask to ask kicker.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Yeah, so I think, yeah, so just I think the prop,
you know, black Fox will go back to the farm
Member Survivor series and then he would be into Rumble. Yeah,
I mean you'll probably look him and going through probably
into Rumble, and they they might have a fit, you know,
where they go at each other and then that will
kind of plant the seeds and then they'll on them

(57:29):
having the match around many I think.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm very curious how things percolate beyond Curvibor series.
But uh, we'll see beyond ESPN. As always, we'll forget
how I'll watch it. I'm still my boycott.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
We'll set up playing.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Man. It's funny because like they're not the only sports
league that's doing this thing where they're like where they're
like spreading stuff out in too many places.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Bro, I can't affordorated dollars. Well, I can afford it.
I don't want to pay three dollars. I just don't
want to.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Well, it's I mean, it's I don't think because like
you know, for people complaining about like Baseball doing something similar.
You know. Now we're like, I think you feel like
a Yankee fan something you gotta go in a bunch
of different places.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
It would be one thing if I'm getting all my
rest of content in one spot, if I'm getting rass
back down Pel's blah blah blah blah and the archive
old stuff in one spot.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Hell, I don't pay four dollars for ret but I'm
paying three dollars centially for just one event a month. Yeah, no,
not doing it? Are everything that was ESPN I already have.
I don't need to maybe three ells?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
What else?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
The stuff there?

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
No sense?

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Yeah me no, And I you know I'm not paying
any more for it because I got you know mo
still okay, man, that's not Cable.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
You and your you and your uh Law and Order.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Exactly me, me and my Law and Order reruns. And
every every weekend they play they either play Star Wars
movies or they play MC movies on.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Quite frankly, I have not watched other than sports. I
don't watch any TV that way. And all those shows
I do watch, I watch on demand, So I watch
mostly Dude, most of my content I watch it on
YouTube podcasts. You know, if I watch ESPN material normally

(59:28):
like first take whatever, I watch it in hindsight and clips.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
You know what I'm saying. So I don't have.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Any reason to, Like I said, the only way I
do puning up three dollars a month. If ESPN does
get the right to the archives, the the library, then
I will likely pay the thirty month and then for me.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Also, you know, I get another reason I have cables
because you know, I lived close to Baltimore by my
Commander's man, so you know, to get the just see
all the Commanders games. But they stink.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Now you can cancel that now, yeah, they stick down,
so you can wait next year. Dan downels out for
probably provaty year. I mean he's not gonna play this
weekend and yeah whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
But okay, but they didn't stink last year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Oh I know that. Last year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
You know I wouldn't you know, I wasn't paying for
red Zone or paying for you know, Sunday ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You know, well I have I do pay red Zone still,
but use it. I use it. You know what I mean.
I'm paying for four events a month. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I'm paying for four you know red zones once a week,
So it's I mean, it's players I mean, get my
money's worth the red zone, you know, saying I feel
like I'm not getting a much money's worth with this
pay for one p a month.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
That's why.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
It's yeah, I mean it's okay. Now, if I if
I did not have cable, well, if I didn't have cable,
then I wouldn't be paying cable bills, So I probably
wouldn't be okay with getting these things. But at some point, yeah,
I mean, well, right now that they're trying to squeeze
every dollar they can out of every corner.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
And I'm telling you, I'm so, I'm telling them, fuck you,
I've done that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I could afford it. I'm wrong, I could afford it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
But look, I think at some point, look, you know,
as these current deals expire in four or five years,
I think they will eventually end up all back consolidating. Yeah,
because I think the money is not gonna be there
to you know, like they're not going to have all
these different people, yeah, willing to pay them all this
money they're there, And I mean it's just it's the

(01:01:51):
whole streaming thing. It's it's a streaming services are a
it's it's a positive scheme, and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
We'll go this years ago that we know, we knew
we were paying six dollars Netflix. That was not gonna
be stay six dollars a month.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
We knew this though, well no, well, but we stuck
our heads in the sand and we you know, I mean,
we chose to go along with with that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
But what if I said for years though, the value
in streaming services is not about the money anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
It's about having a choice, choices.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Like if you don't want to if you don't want
to fix anymore for two months, I'm out for three
two months. You know, I don't have to have it,
you know, just get rid of it. With cable, you
pay the channels that you may not want because because
of the bundles.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
That's all the same.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
But look at that. Okay, so Netflix has a million movies.
How many of them do you actually watch?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Me personally? Not a lot because I don't have time
to watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Okay, So it's it's not much different.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I mean, it isn't not But I will say, has been,
to my my opinion, better quality. I still will say
don't then don't don't help. These companies will take me
to my word, I pay sixty dollars a month on
HBO Max. That's actually still a value. That's actually still
still when you concern amount of stuff on there, that's

(01:03:15):
still pretty cheap.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Yes, because if you were buying a movie ticket every
time to watch the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Movies, yeah, hello, Because.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Look if I mean basically, if you watch two movies
a month on HBO Max, then then you got your
value because yeah, you know, two movies a month at
the movie theater would be thirty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Whereas minimum actually and that's minimum.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
And as if you don't buy any food or anything, right,
And so if you watch two movies a month on
HBO Max, then then you got the value for it.
And that also goes for any other you know, paramount
or you know or prime or whatever. Right, And so
I mean, but the price is gonna keep going up

(01:04:06):
because it's not profitable. I think Netflix has finally, Netflix
has become profitable in the last couple of years, I think,
But these other services are not and and getting I
guess people only have people. You can't everybody, just like

(01:04:27):
you don't have one hundred dollars to pay in all
these directions in perpetuity. Nobody does yeah, in time, over time,
like people are gonna start dropping these other services and
they're gonna keep one maybe and that one will probably
be Netflix the way things are going, And I think
that's what it's golappened because people just yeah, I mean,

(01:04:49):
people are I'm not going to spend They're not going
to go another thirty another thirty years paying ten dollars
over here, ten dollars over here, fifteen over here, fifteen
over here. I mean, it's just not gonna work. Yeah,
you know, ultimately, you know, the other ones just they're
gonna fall by the wayside and you're gonna and basically

(01:05:11):
you're just gonna end up with Cable. It's gonna be
like Cable again. You know. That's what That's what people
like me have been saying all along. Eventually, it's just
you're gonna end up with something that is just like
you know, I guess the difference is there. There's you know,
there's no you know, there's no calendar or whatever like

(01:05:32):
you know, you can that's the only difference is just
you can pull up any movie or any show whenever
you want. That's different. But ultimately it's gonna be the
it's gonna being the same product.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, no doubt. So anyway, Rob have
you it's given to you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
All right, So we are recording the mound of this
wrestling podcast this week. We're doing it Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
See we will have I was gonna ask you that
when you worn that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Yeah, yes, And I'm going to try to have my
own thing finished before Sunday. So he says, like, so
I can get my shador sanders take, you know, finished,
because I don't know, the whole thing is funny to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Man, I'm just put the short centers do take myself.
Then it all episode and then like im.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Because to me, I mean again, the whole thing is
funny to me. Just all arguments people are making and yeah,
just this just yeah, just the whole thing is funny
to me because like the guy's a fifth round pick
and you know, your fifth round pick for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
I gotta hear this, bro dude recorded ship soon so
I can listen to it, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
I'm look I'm doing Yeah, I'm okay, I am I'm
just going I'm go ahead stick to the shandor and
keep it with that and not try to do anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Yeah, because I don't guarantee knowing you you can get
do you get easy? Get three minutes of content that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Yeah, And look, I'm you know, I was thinking about
you know, I haven't talked about politics any long time.
I've been trying to think of a way to talk
about it, you know, and not be too not saying
anything that might somebody might hear and want to come
after me. Oh god, because I'm looking at the climate now, man,

(01:07:22):
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Yeah, and you know, people so soft, the people who
were the ones saying that not be soft and the
ones in the office. Yeah, it's funny to say how
that works out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Yeah, the same is what it is. Well, there there
are some very interesting political times we're living in right now.
And it really is, it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
And of course you can follow me of course on
X at E J Christian seven Falls Anywhere, of course
part of erthing of podcasts. Guys enjoy surbviseries and we
will come back to you guys hopefully soon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
We'll see. Until then, have Thanskgiving and the next one.

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