The Mandafettso: Mandalorian Season 2 Finale

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You're listening to the Heroes Podcast Network. Hello, well you friendly for shooters

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out there, and welcome to anotherepisode of Echo Station Podcast. This is
our season finale, so sit tight, it's gonna be a long one,
very long. Yeah. I amyour host Chris, and I am of
course here with my co host LovelyIan. Hello, I'm Lovely Ian,
and just as our opening episode whenwe are joined by a fantastic guest,

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Lawrence. Hello, Lawrence. Hello, Hi everybody. Thank you very much
for having me back, and ofcourse, happy holidays to everybody. Yeah,
oh yeah, happy holidays. That'scoming up then just a few days,
right, it's almost year. It'sa thing. Yeah, and you
know it wouldn't be it wouldn't bethe holidays that a big Star Wars thing.

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No, exactly. Yeah. Weended the holidays last season with the
season finale of Mandos, so we'redoing it again. Ya hooray because we're
a one trick pony. Oh yeah, So we will be covering three episodes.
The last three episodes of the Mandawere in no news because we covered
all of the news in our lastepisode much news, so much news,

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which just dropped a few days ago. So if you want to in depth
discussion of everything that dropped two Thursdaysago, all the big Disney Star Wars
news. Then check that episode out, but pandem for the super news at
the end of the season finale.Yes, oh, yes, which which

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we were kind of wondering, like, huh they didn't announce what we're We
thought they're going to announce, butthey announced it in a different way.
Yeah, so we'll get to that. We'll get to that, which I
wasn't mad about. But okay,so let's let's just kick things off,
shall we. All right, let'sdo it. Okay. So episode sixteen
no, no, no, no, sorry, fourteen fourteen like a math

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I swear I used to teach math. I swear math good. Math's great,
it's new math, It's great.Yeah. So yeah, episode fourteen,
Uh, this episode of four surelike redeemed my whole uh faith in
Boba Fette. That was a prettyit was a pretty bad as episode as

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I think it did for most peopleas a whole. Yeah, it was
a great episode. Um, Ihave issues. I mean we discussed at
the beginning, We discussed at thebeginning of the season that we might be
looking at kind of that unforgiven man, redeemed arc sure enough. Um,

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that seems to be where we're going. Not to say that he is necessarily
a good guy, but he's beenon a path to we'll say, fulfillment
and redemption. Yeah, I don'tthink. I don't think you can.
I don't think you can put BobaFett in a box and just check out
the boxes. That's kind of thinglike, No, And I think Boba

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Fett serves his own creed. Ithink you know, his own morality,
and so it doesn't mean that he'sa bad guy, and I don't think
it means that he's a good guy. He just does what he does.
He's gray, he's very gray.He you know, goes to the highest
bidder basically, Yeah, and sometimesthat's him. Sometimes that bidder is him.

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Yeah. I think he is thequintessential man surviving in a chadoch world,
as he says, just trying tomake it through the galaxy like his
father, which by the way,was a great pull that line. And
I have to imagine that he wasreviewing how he delivered it in the past

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so he could get just that iteration. But I think that's what makes his
character so compelling. And then asthey this is a hint as to the
next season, I mean the nextepisode, but as as he is more
fleshed out, we are able tokind of both redcon what has gone on
and connected to all the various pointsabout what about the helmet and what about

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the armor and what about this andwhat about that? So there to tie
up a lot of loose ends andthen fill in that tapestry payoff after basically
forty years of everybody going, well, is he really that much of a
bad ass, because you know,he was in the two movies early on
for maybe a total of six anda half minutes. Yeah, well,

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yes, he is that much ofa badass exactly, Yeah, because that
was my logic before, because I'mlike, he looks cool, but he
doesn't do jack shit in the movies. He's some great things in the comics,
in the video games, but hedidn't do anything on film. And
that's what a good majority of StarWars fans still watch or just the films.
They don't watch the TV shows,they don't watch there, they don't
play the games, they don't readthe comics. That's just you know,

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a lot of them still are justyou know, films and that's it.
And film wise, he didn't doanything. He wait, he looked really
cool. He was a bounty hunter, which you know is a cool thing
to be. Yes, he lookedawesome, and he ran away with Han
Solo. So you know, peoplejust kind of took that and extrapolated day,
well, this guy must be bad. Yeah right, and let me

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go ahead and give a shout outto to our original bull Effects. We
just passed Jeremy Bullock because part ofwhat sold it, you know, forty
years ago, was literally how hewalked. He walked like this badass gun
flinger. Even more so that hewas so badass that even Han Solo was
genuinely concerned about him. So youyou always knew that that walk that Jeremy

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delivered was setting him aside. Andthen that great line, which kind of
that was part of the beauty ofStar Wars. We didn't we didn't know
all the backstory back then. Itleft it to the audience of filling but
that great line from Darth Vader nodisintegrations. Yes, yeah, I mean
he clearly had a legend, whichI have a feeling the Book of Bubba

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fet might allow for some backstory whichis kind of a hint as to what's
coming. But it was just fantasticto go and see two more Morrison now
the blanks and and build off ofwhat Jeremy Bullock had done, and then
what he had done also is orwhat Tomorrow had done, as Django agreed.
So what do you guys think ofRobert Rodriguez directing this episode? Oh?

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Fantastic, Yeah, no, itworked great. What was the name
of this episode again? This inchapter I think the Tragedy because maybe it
was captured. That's right, theTragedy, Yes, the Tragedy, Yes,
that one. Um yeah. Inever really thought Robert Arriguez and Star

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Wars would mix, but I wasvery wrong. No, it worked,
It really worked. Um yeah.The pacing of the action was interesting,
you know, the fighting with thestorm Trooper platoons that just kept coming in
waves. It felt very much likea video game, like oh all right,
yep, um yeah, I agree, And I also love that.
You know, you could definitely tellthat you could see his directing style in

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that episode with how the camera angleswhen they were on botha fighting the Stormtroopers
with the gaffey stick. That's definitelyhis his brand of directing, and I
quite enjoyed that. Ye, seekingthe gaff stick as its weapon of choice
was really cool too, very much, and it was very kinetic fighting like
you could feel yeah, like thatwas oh yeah, no, you're wrong.

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There was definitely something Tomorrow Morrison.I think um flare on their SIMOORI
genuine Oh he's got power behind him. Yeah, hand to hand knowledge there.
But it completely worked. I mean, it was absolutely believable. Well,
he said, I believe in aninterview after the episode came out that
the tribe that he has come frompersonally that they use a lot of those

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weapons that they look like. Soto have that kind of resonate with him
and have him actually use it onscreen was very cool to see and very
like fulfilling. I believe it's howhe described it as an audience that just
is sitting there passively. You couldfeel like he was into it. So

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I think that's a credit to whathe brought. And then you know,
CRII Robert is saying do what yougotta do exactly. Um. I also
liked that this episode that it wasshot actually outside, it wasn't on the
main sound stage because I don't knowif you guys saw or not. But
there was some lady months and monthsmonths ago, either on an Instagram video
or a tiktop, one of thetwo, she stumbled upon filming. She

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was hiking, well, she washiking out and she found a bunch of
these stormtroopers and the transports and stuffand filming. And luckily she didn't get
a shot of Boba because that wouldhave spoiled everything. It was just stormtrooper
stuff. But she like, theynever saw her. They were filming and
they never saw her. I guess, which is very funny to me.

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That is wow, Like you justkind of hike and then like, oh,
there's a bunch of stormtroopers in filmcameras and they're actually filming, and
like there was explosions and no one, no one bothered to look up and
say, oh, that's a personin a jogging outfit that doesn't belong here.
I'm surprised we didn't have like aperimeter security set up Orange a whole
other galaxy. Well, you know, and when you hike and stuff,

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you go, you know, everywhich went on the path, so they
could have missed something and you know, yeah, uh but so okay,
let's let's let's break down this episodea little bit, so Mando has to
take Grogu to the scenes down thatAhsoka told him about. Yes, and
I wasn't expecting it to look theway it did. I was expecting something

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else. I wasn't putting like alittle mound on a obelesque type of deal
very Skyrim the Witcher Jedi place ofPower. Yes, I wasn't expecting quite
that feel. But I liked it. Well, I think since if it's
really ancient, it does uh.And I I liked how you know,
he's like, Okay, do yourthing, and the baby just like,

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well, I don't know what todo? Sure, fun place to call?
Yeah call collect, let's go collect, Let's go our younger, our
younger listeners are like, yeah,collect collect, what does that mean?
Uh, it's a boy. Heeventually, you know, he gets to

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the operator and I absolutely love seeinghim do like his like little zin pose
that he does. Cute. Itwas the funniest thing ever, and I
quite enjoyed seeing him kind of justchannel for the first time. Really,
we've seen him use the force afew times, but this is the first
time he's really use the force inthat way. So I quite enjoyed that.

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I think it is remarkable that weare able to get such an emotional
charge off of again, you know, a three D puppet. But it
really does feel like when he's communicatingwith the force doing that long distance you
know, at and t et phonecall, like we're there with him,
like we hope he acts and thenand then that adds to the drama of

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the whole thing because once he's gotthat open call and you know, Mando
is like, well, we gottago. It's like that useful commit there's
no way for him to stop.And it had worked to heighten the tension
in the whole episode because as muchas you know Manda wanted to save him,
he actually was not able to.Yes, it's I mean, as

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soon as you know Mando goes downto investigate the ship. Uh, and
when Boba confrontsman says take out thejet pack, you knew right then and
there that he wasn't gonna be ableto save the child. Absolutely, you
knew right then and there. It'slike, oh, that's a convenient plot
point, look at that. Yeah, but let's talk about that scene for

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a minute, because that was avery tense standoff. Oh yeah, it
was great finis rolling again. Imean, we need, we need,
we knew in our hearts that's whoit showed up. Oh yeah, but
until Yeah, it was nice tohave her back. We're big fans of

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Mingo Win and now she's a cyborg. She's just super cool. She's I
think she's doing the voice in herown kind of spinoff show. So I
mean that was a fantastic save tobring her back. I do wonder if
she was intended to come back orjust because the audience after her episode in
the first season, you know,was so enthralled with her appearance in Star

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Wars because I think now she's theonly actress to do the Grand Slam for
Disney Princesses. Yeah, being inthe MCU Star Wars. Yeah, and
she's a princess. Yeah, andshe's a princess. I was literally just
talking about this today. That's funny. As much as Star Wars has a
tendency to kind of fly off thecuff with their plot points from movie to

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movie, show to show, Ido think this was prout planned. I
agree. You don't hire ming Nawhen for one episode and then kill her
off, you don't it. Yeah, So I'm with you on that,
but I gotta tell you that wasone of my grievances this season, was
like, you don't bring back myman Michael Bean for one episode and then
blow him away. I'm going toend my plans right there. But I

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just was screaming at the screen whenthat happened. So I hope he's all
side worged up too at some point. It's pretty memorable, it was.
That was a memorable death. Itwasn't, you know, they gave him
a good death at least. Yeah. With Phinix, she was shot by
some punk ass kids, so it'slike, oh god, and that's a
good point. That was not anhonorable death. No, we're getting a
little cling on here, but itwas not a good death. No,

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it wasn't, and we can fullysay that. But yeah, and also
we tweeted out, you know,the fetes surely have a type with their
female counterparts, because Jengo had Jengohad Zam who hit her face and was
a sniper shot, you know,worked with him a bunch of times.
And now we have Finnick, whohides her face, is a good shot

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with a sniper rifle. It makessense as a second to have somebody around
like that. It does. It'sjust funny how you see the parallels between
Zam and uh Finick. You know, survives a lot longer. She doesn't
get any limbs cut off of herat least. Yes, I'm like poor
zamuh so, I I really didlike how he was like, you know,

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that's no, I don't want yourarmor. I want my armor.
Yes, like that that is mineand it was my father's before me,
and people kind of thought that heforged his own armor. He didn't know.
People thought that didn't think that hetook Django's armor, and you know,
yeah, but I guess he did. So that's kind of Yeah.

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I like that idea that it's itis his father's but he reskinned it now
it's yes, but how awkward mustthat have been for young Boba to go
back to Genosis and like drag hisdead like headless father's corpse and like strip
him of his armor. Yeah,now you do what you gotta do.
Yeah, Well, you know,there's probably and there's probably highly traumatic.

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There's probably a good backstory for thatto be included in some later episodes or
in a book or whatnot. Tohave that moment of how he gets the
armor back. That would be interestingto see exploit. I agree, um
so as we also get a greatuh I guess precursor to the first Order

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drop ships with the Imperial drop ships. Yeah, yeah, that was something
I noticed, that same kind ofscooped mouth Saucily's triangle opening type thing,
given that the First Order doesn't risefor I think, what another fifteen or
twenty years. It's it's an earlydesign along the path um, but certainly

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it's nothing we had seen before,so I think they're trying to go ahead
and show the early pieces. Plusit definitely to the underlying um B plot
that's happening, uh in our adventureswith Moth Gideon and everything else that's going
on. So that was a verynice little touch to show how where UM

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still connected to the trilogies we know, or rather the original strategy. But
then the early seeds of where we'regoing are starting to show up. As
soon as I thought, I waslike, that looks suspiciously like a first
Order drop ship, and sure enough, when you know the ramp comes down,
I'm like, oh, this isthis is like you know, this

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is the baby, this is theprecursor It's funny. It's like my daughter
caught that before I did. Iwas kind of looking at it like,
what is that? I kind ofremember what is that. She's like,
it looks like a transport. I'mlike, oh, it totally is.
It's a true transport. Uh.So let's let's talk about the fact that

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stormtroopers are stupid. No, Imean we know this, and they really
can't shoot for shit, like JesusWell, the Empire is, you know,
more or less just a brag tagteam at this point. They're probably
scraping the bottom of the barrel forpeople to actually be stormtroopers. Yeah,

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it's pretty It's got to be prettywell known that the armor does jack right.
It's it was. I mean,it was great seeing them, you
know, deploy and stuff like that. But I'm like this, y'all don't
stand a chance. No, no, they don't. But I will go
ahead and say it was fun tooor refreshing. Actually, see, like

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this is the first time we've hadanything other than a straight frontal of soul,
Like they actually split off a unitto work, like there was actual
tactics here, which yeah, seemand that was refreshing. Setting up the
e web we've never seen the mortaroutside of aut of a game. Yeah,
that was the first time. I'msaying that that was cool. So

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yeah, I mean it was niceto see tying into the larger universe and
that they're not com sletely incompetent,but you knew how this was going to
go anyway. Yeah, And theonly thing that that the armor really is
good for I think is filtering outsmoke and intimidating people which don't get wrong.

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Oh yeah, no, it's hugeimitation. Yeah, it's very intimidating,
especially with the clackers. Yeah,yep. Um. Also, the
reward for a stupid person in thisepisode also goes to Mando because how many
times did he try and like getthe baby out of the call? Basically,
I know, I was like,why are you still trying to do
this? Did you first time?I get it? Obviously you don't know

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what's going to happen, but liketwo and three, sir, you come
on, fool me? Want shameon you fool me twice? He was
dead, right, he's desperate.Uh So, basically they have at one
point just Finnick and actually just Finnick. At one point, she's taking on
a Stormtroopers. I absolutely love theshot of her when she's running down the

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rocks and she just jumps, looksback and just hip fires. She doesn't
even look at the scope at all. That's duty move. What are you?
What is this crazy? Yeah?And it goes to why she's such
a badass and and what was partner? Yeah? Oh yeah, you know
he doesn't have he doesn't have secondtier folk with him. He has equals
working with him. Agreed, Andit's I really did like her and she

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has become one of my new favoritecharacters I think on the show. Yeah,
and Joy Finnick quite a bit.That wasn't like originally introducing like you
know, Clone Wars or rebels oranything like that, Like she knew character
why I really really enjoy and Ican't want to wait to see what we
see next of her throughout the nextseries. And also Bad Bats and she's
going to be in that too,So awesome. But so Chris, what

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wrap up the episode? Wrap givegive top top more Ooh so all right,
so Finnick and um Finnick and Boba, you know their their standoff is
in it because they're interrupted by abunch of m storm Troopers that show up
on the planet, who are obviouslyhere to take the child UM. And
so the three of them easily dispensewith the storm and troppers because, as

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we said, they suck um.But the baby is still stuck in this
weird telepathic portal tube UM, whichI was thinking about earlier. Also in
my mind, I was wondering ifthis teleporting or not teleportation um communication device

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is like like a like a wigiboard, you know, like where you don't
know what you're talking to. You'rejust calling out into the void. You
don't know who you're calling out too. So maybe you'll get a Jedi,
but maybe you'll get something else.I didn't think about that. Yeah,
so I would like to you know, if you're just putting out a distress

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call, anybody's gonna pick that up, you know. It makes Yeah,
So that's something I think we mightwant to keep in mind for the future
and see where that goes, becausesomeone else could have heard that call too.
Exactly exactly. Uh So, whilethey're distracted, we've got another transport

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that comes up or kind of likejust out of the sky. We see
these black dots sort of zooming inand it is the dark troopers and they're
full glory. And they're full glory, which it's not what I originally thought
that Dark Troopers were going to be. I did think they were going to
be sort of some weird force usingclone hybrid trooper things. I thought they

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were too, but then I guessno, so, but they took good
in a different direction, which we'llget to that later. Um. And
I was already questioning it at thispoint as we were finally getting a really
good look at them. Just theway they're built, it makes you question
what was in the suits. It'san iron Man's suit. It's an Iron
Man suit. That's what I said, if they went full into you.
John Scarrow loves his Iron Man's suits, so that I incorporated that in there.

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They're fully robotic. There's no oneinside the suit, but that,
you know, John trappers like,listen, let me just let me just
we're just gonna do this. Yeah, and they are. They are terrifying.
Um, they're very intimidating looking.I find it really interesting that it
took this long for the Empire togo in that direction, to go with

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fully droid army kind of thing,when you know they've already there already come
in contact with Jorid armies during theClone Wars, so that technology is there
and it works very effectively. Um, they've done the Clone thing and they
know that there are pros and consto that. Yes, and their technology

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is obviously top notch um during theMight of the Empire, So why wouldn't
they have gone to that before insteadof using stormtroopers that could be turned.
It's just it's interesting to me thatit took that long for that kind of
R and D to go through.Yeah. Um, I also really like
their design. Let's talk about theirdesign real quick, because it is very
cool. I like that. Youknow, it's sleek black with shiny you

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know metal and these piercing red eyes. Yeah, they are obviously, it's
very like and there I think atleast seven feet tall like they're they're not
you know, they looked like abunch of fully robotic Darth Vaders in my
mine. That's very much that intimidatinglook and there yeah, exactly, yea

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with the helmet gap cleaning black.Yeah. If you're you know, just
a farmer and you see like,you know, a garrison of these,
you know, roaming around, youknow, you better hope that's not the
last thing you ever see exactly,because it could very well be. Yeah.
So they just snatch up the babyand there isn't a damn thing that

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Manno or Bobo or Finnick knew aboutit. No. Yeah, uh,
they go and they fly. Bobaflies up and he's even surprised to see
the Empire because he doesn't he sincehe's been hiding, he doesn't know that
the Empire is really back. AndFinix like, well, that can't because

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the New Republic patrols these territories they'reyou know, clearly not clearly not.
Yeah, well, and you haveto really you have to understand that the
region of the New Republic can't reallybe that big yet they are still very
new, and so just to buildthe you know, the fleets that they

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need and the numbers that they needto be able to actually adequately patrol everything,
I can't imagine they have that capacityyet. Yeah, that's very fair,
And I think there is a littleslushiness that they're they're using for story
arc purposes, because you know,at the end of returning the jedi Um,
before everything spun off further, wethought, well that's it, and

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and we're conditioned here in the realworld that okay, unconditional surrender. That's
it, you know, peace inour time. We move on to making
radios and televisions and washing machines andeverything that is transpired here. But what
they're saying there is the empire um. You know, sure they may have

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gone ahead and lost and there's nocentral head or control, but but the
essence of the hire, they didnot universally surrender, like they're out there
doing their own thing. Are theyreforming or being not not pirates but kind
of independent evil armies doing their ownthing? And so so you have folks

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out there who I think would begenuinely surprised that the empire's back, and
then other people are like, no, no, they've never left. They're
just were reforming and apparently all thesesupers which aren't that secret because everybody knows,
oh there's a secret. Based onthis poet, I think that really
parallels reality in a way too.I mean, how many of you have
us thought that Nazis and fascism wasn'ta thing anymore for the Western world,

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where it absolutely has been. Theyjust retreated, they went, you know,
they went to South America, theywent to the they went to the
US, they went to the UK, and they've just been in hiding and
their numbers have always been there,but now they feel they have a platform
and you know, an opportunity,and they're coming out of the woodwork.
I think it's and I think thatthat's a good point, I mean as
well, but I also wonder Idon't know if it's been addressed, because

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I have to min, I cannotfollow all the books. There was like
a unconditional surrender by the remaining partsof the original empire UM. And I
would say the answer to that asno, because eventually we had the massive
battle at Jaku and and you know, there are all these other elements out
there, especially because the emperor hashis survival plans. So so it makes
sense to me that you would havethese UM independent operators will call them UM

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with their various rests, trying toto get back together UM. And so
I think Boba FET's reaction and alsoFinic and so forth, I think that's
genuine for the world they've been,especially if Boba Fett has been kind of
wandering on tattooing for the last twentytrying to you know, just make his
way to figure out what he's goingto do. No armor, no ship,

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that type of thing. Although it'snice to see and hear, and
I do mean here slave one again. That's great, you know, in
all its glory. Um, thatwas I think one of the one of
the defining elements of the entire seriesis how much of a love song it
is to the fandom with the audiocues and the visuals. Yeah, oh

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for sure, with his boots youknow last season and stuff that they're definitely
they're putting those Easter eggs in it. But it's a good fan service,
not likely fan services. It's doneright right. It serves the purpose of
the story rather than just parking itthere on the background and never talking about
it again. But no, itwould make sense that Boa has the ship

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and he's using it. Oh yeah. Um. And speaking of ships,
yeah, pour one out for therazorcrest because as soon as you know,
actually this happens before the Dark Troopers, I think, yeah, I know,
that was the first thing they did. I completely forgot about that.
Yeah, they blew it to smithereensthey did. As soon as he gets

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it all repaired, like all niceand shiny looking, it is turned to
nothing but ashen. Yeah, there'sno coming back from this one. No,
no repair job on any planet no, nope. But how touching was
it the one piece he capped,Yeah, was the little control knob that
was Grogu's go to toy. Yeah. I don't know if if one sheds

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a tear for a bone up transportship, but but absolutely deep moment.
Yeah. Um. And again weget to see speaking of blowing up ships,
we get to see Bothothett take outa two transport ships. Actually,
yeah, we get to see himactually use his rocket and everything, and
that was really cool, which wasnice seeing him use all of his weaponree.
I don't know where we where hekeeps on getting these rockets from,

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but okay, I'm gonna just suspendmy belief on that one. Yeah.
Um. And also we got totalk about his fighting of the stormtroopers,
really quip the hand to hand combat. We did talk about that. We'll
talk about it more in death becauseit was beautiful. Yeah, No,
it was absolutely, especially considering thevarious amounts of hate that I have seen

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towards how he now looks when differentit is. By the way, in
the next few episodes, we seethat that was. Like I said,
just the bandage that he was wearingwas a lot of you know, cloaks
and stuff. So to everyone whosaid, you know, he's boba fat
now and I'm like, fuck allof you, No, he is a
massive guy. And I would loveto see you say that tomorrow Morrison's face

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because that would be incredible to watch. Please do please. I mean,
he was in Aquaman and that wasonly a few years ago, and he
was pretty ripped up for not ayoung man. So yeah, big dude,
he's just a big guy. Yeah. You know, I'm not sure
where the hate rate is, butyou know, Star Wars fans the part

(31:48):
of the code now people are justthe worst exactly, And so yeah,
I really love seeing him take outall the Stormtroopers with just one Gaffie stick.
You actually see the Stormtrooper armors shatterand a lot of them, Like,
how cool is that again, reinforcingthat it does nothing. Yeah,
right, it doesn't do a damnthing. It's literally made out of whatever

(32:10):
we make storm Trooper or it's justit's the same thing. It's just it's
just plastic. Him fighting was reallycool. I like seeing him use both
ends of the gaffy stick the pointyend and the other really sharp spear and
I guess um he clubs him.He breaks a bunch of helmets. It's

(32:30):
one of those where you you definitelysee his discipline and his training from to
Mary Morrison with his tribe, butyou also get to see hand to hand
combat, which you don't get tosee a whole lot. You see him
a lot of the time, doyou know, blasters and everything like that.

(32:52):
Django did hand to hand combat withObi Wan for a tiny bit,
so that was kind of cool.You never see him, you know,
fully do this like we've seen inthis episode. And I do have to
wonder if this ties back to someof the much older expanded Universe. Lawyer
U with my favorite game of alltime, The Masters of the Kasa,

(33:15):
because you can play as as aTuscan raider and bad ass and they had
very similar moves and then with thegaffey stick and whatnot, and they,
I mean, they were really hardto beat and they were a little bit
opie, and I remember always gettingpissed off on people would pick to play.
But that was really fun to playas them too. But it makes
you wonder, you know, inhis time wondering in Tatterine. Was he

(33:37):
taken in by some of the Tuscanraiders. Did they give this to him?
Did he know not take it byforce? Was he trained with them
while he was recovering? Maybe theyfound him and he recovered with them,
you know, because he also hasnot only a Gaffey stick, but he
has you know, the Tuscan raidercyclo rifle too. So yeah, well
he's basically dressed as a Tuscan raider. So it makes me wonder if he's

(33:58):
been paling around with for the lasttwenty years, it will be kind of
cool five years. I think thatties into that to that very first episode
where he was watching you know,Mando helped timthy Elephant's character help the Tuscans,
so he probably recognized that Mando maybenot an ally but maybe not a

(34:20):
threat because you know, maybe he'shelping his adopted tribe, which of course
helps tie into to Morrison tomorrow Morison'sbackground. The other place I'd like to
suggest to consider is there was areason why the Clones were based off of
Django, So it could just bethat he is that badass anger and the

(34:45):
Clones really were probably better soldiers thanStormtroopers because of their you know, superb
training and enhancements and so forth,and some of the hush I put it
without spoiling it the dialogue in thefinal episode where there's a lot of reference
to that which happened in the past, Yes, and Mandalor and all that.

(35:09):
I just think Django must have beenon a different level. Um.
And so seeing Boba Fett, whowas the pure clone, the one who
was aged naturally and learned from hisfather I guess thirteen years or thereabouts.
Um. And then you combine thatwith the Tuscan and then of course what
was happening in the other shows,Um, you know, all that training,

(35:30):
then that yields the ultimate I mean, that's why he's Boba Fett and
so ruthless and so well known throughoutthe galaxy because probably others have challenged him
and then they're like, I'm nottaking on that guy, like he is
beyond what the other bounty hunters are. Yeah, it ties in well.
I very much grew with that statementbecause it's it. It shows you know

(35:55):
that Bubba Fett is not to betrifled with, you know, and simple
at the very end of the day, and Uh, I really enjoy like
I said, having my faith restoredin this character, Like it made me
like this character again that I wasn'tjust like, oh my god, another
Boba Fett whatever blah blah blah blahblah. If you would have told me

(36:16):
when I was watching season one thatBoett would have been coming into season two,
I could have cared less fully,honestly, could have cared less.
Yeah, I'm like really okay,but now I'm very happy he he is
here, so yes, um andfinally, uh so the so Greggo gets

(36:42):
captured, he uh gets taken upto the uh frigate the cruiser, and
Gideon has baby shackles. Oh god, I know, which is the funniest
thing. And he puts them inshackles and then he uh neutralizes them,

(37:04):
he dranks them basically. Uh,I think that hurt to watch. I'm
sorry. That was, like youyou just stunned a baby. Yeah,
and I don't think those were meantto be baby shackles. I mean,
we live in a they live ina galaxy with you know, canonically a

(37:25):
vast range of species in vast sizes, So I'm sure they just had a
huge range of oh no, there'sspace Nazis. These are baby cuffs.
These are baby cuffs, all right. Um, so they leave, And
this was after we got to seeGrogu slamming storm troopers like they were absolutely

(37:52):
nothing, crunching them against walls,you know, which I think is a
good into hater. It's a goodthrowback to why it's so important that the
Jedi take these four sensitive children soyoung, because that kind of power is
terrifying in a toddler. Yeah,and you know, especially one that's untrained

(38:15):
and undisciplined. Yeah, so itmakes sense that the Jedi or an entity
like the Jedi needs to come intoplay and take these children before they end
up you know, destroying things,hurting the people that take care of them,
hurting the people they love, orhurting themselves. Yeah. So I
think that was a great reminder ofthat we don't advocate child kidnapping, but

(38:37):
at the same time, no ofof willingly taking your child to Jedi Intake
Center for further training exactly for furtherdevelopment and training. Yes, Jedi am

(38:58):
on a story just bring I thinkit was. It was good to see
Groku, especially after after says,well he's kind of tamping down on his
powers. So he's got him,you know. But and the trauma that
he's experienced has definitely led him towhere he is where he just doesn't want
to go in and uncork it,but he's got it in him if he

(39:20):
needs to. He knows that hedoesn't use it because of his he has
Jedi PTSD. Yeah. Well,yeah, we don't know how he escaped
Order sixty six and Anakin storming thetemple that he did. We haven't gotten
that story yet, but it happened. Um So finally, Mando's like,
he talks to Boba, um.Boba shows him that this was the armor

(39:45):
of my father. This is myarmor, but Mine's like, oh okay,
that's your armor. Cool. So, but he realizes that he will
need help tracking down Gideon, andthe only person who can do that is
Bill Burr's character. So he goesback to car Dune and he's like,

(40:07):
hey, you're a Marshall, nowcan you help me spring him? And
she's like okay, and that's howthe episode ends. Yeah, so we're
going on a We've got Finnic,we've got Bobbo, we've got Kara,
we've got Mando, So you know, we're going on an Ocean's eleven team
kind of ye. So how wouldyou guys rate this episode? I guess

(40:30):
seven and a half eight. Maybeit is the shortest episode we've gotten on
the seas, That's what it's just. It's really short, which I guess
the sense because it's action packed andit just kind of doesn't stop. I'm
gonna give it about a nine becauseI really did enjoy it, and um,
it was nice to see Tomorrow Morrisongive fill in that tapestry for bobbo

(40:52):
fit Um. But I will sayit did feel noticeably briefer than the other
episodisodes. And I get that itwas very tightly done, like the very
first Star Wars movie from nineteen seventyseven, and sometimes there is some some
benefit to brevity, but this almostfelt like we could have done a little

(41:14):
bit more, even if it wasjust more dialogue with the characters. That
being said, I really enjoyed itthat but if that just laid it out,
you don't have the kid, We'rewe're with you until he does.
Yeah, yeah, right, soyou do have the kid again. That
comes into Boba's having this sort oflike grace and some of morality he does
he does what feels right in themoment. Yeah, it's that, it's

(41:35):
that unforgiven redemption arc. I think. Yeah, I will give it about
the same rating you did, Chris, uh, seven and a half.
It was a it was a decentepisode, especially an episode coming off of
the one that just introduced Asoka.That's a hard episode to follow, but
this episode did do that, soI was very happy with that. So

(41:59):
that's that episode. We're going totake a short little break, and then
when we come back, we're goingto be discussing episode what fifteen? Right,
yes, fifteen and why Chris andI don't like Bill Burr. So
stay tuned, guys, and weare back. So let's talk about this

(42:22):
next episode. Um that I havemixed emotions with oh so many mixed emotions.
Yeah, yeah, I'll concede.I'm not going to be given this
one. I'm gonna be given thisone rather a split review. How about
that? That's very fair. Yeah, I don't hate the story line the

(42:44):
plot of this episode. I thinkit's actually really good and I think they're
trying this end is very good,but execution in some key areas has me
miffed. That's fair. Yeah,So let's should we talk about what we
don't like about this episode first orshe'll be dissected. How are you want

(43:05):
to start this out, Chrish?Yeah, we can talk about we don't
like. Sure, Okay, umyou go first, because I'll probably pick
it back on you so um.So. As much as I really enjoy
most of what has gone down withthe Mandalorian as the whole, I do
have a lot of issues with castingum And you know, not that I

(43:29):
think they're bad actors or any ofthat. I it's I don't think that
they're casting good people. And Ido have issue with paying and giving voice
to people who I don't think aregood people. And in this particular episode,
that would be Gina Corno and Billbur So. I know, Billburr
is a you know, buddy buddywith John Favreau, and John Favreau loves

(43:49):
to put his buddy buddies in allof his movies, which sure, I
get that, Okay. And it'snot that I think that Bill Burr is
a bad actor. Um. Infact, you know, aside from clearly
being from Space Boston, absolutely itwas. It's a fine character. It's
an interesting character, it's a it'sa multi faceted character. Um, it's

(44:12):
just to put in Franklin Bilbert.He's an asshole. He's an asshole.
And I'm gonna here's what I saidto Ingest, what I said to ian
Um after this this episode aired.Bilber's an asshole. He's a you know,
in the guise of a comedian,and he's a comedian for contrarian white
men who think they're making some smartcommentary on the world when really they're just

(44:32):
bigoted pieces of shit. And theyou know, like the things that he
said in his monologue and snl ifagainst the LGBT community, I just I
took. I take issue with aprivileged white cis gender male thinking that he
has a space to comment on thesesort of things. In addition, what

(44:53):
makes it just egregious that he's partof the Star Wars community is that he
gleefully, happily admits to the factthat he bullies Star Wars fans, that
he thinks people who are big fansof the movies and the shows are basically
dumbasses and will happily bully them forus. And yet he was given a

(45:13):
role in this universe, and thatreally pisses me off. It's a very
fair emotion to have. Yeah,yeah, and again I piggyback on you
and the fact that the character ofMayfield is cool. I like the character.
I like what he's gone through,I like his story. I like
that. But yeah, the wholeBill birthing because I didn't realize this until

(45:37):
you told me about it, andthen I went back and I was like,
oh, yikes, it's very problematic, very problematic. So maybe he
won't be in it anymore because afterthis episode he kind of goes off on
his own thing. I don't know, but so let me give you mine
a nightmare thought. It's clear they'reset Gina, who I also have issues

(46:04):
with her more recent yes, politicalpositions, just to be gentle about that.
And I also am no fan ofBills, and I'm bracing myself psychologically
that he too will make his way. I think it's gonna be he Gina
to me all the font and Iwould hope Michael Bean, but I know

(46:25):
that's not going to happen in thisnew Marshall show. The way that those
characters have been developed makes it allseem to be that they're good gun slinger
type, and those characters, actuallyI'm parking Timothy Alliphant because I'm not aware
of anything that would problematic. Andi know people are gonna say it's judgmental

(46:45):
for Star Wars fans to say,well, if you don't agree with politics,
these people can't do it. I'mgetting all that. I'm just saying
that these people are going down apath that is really just not healthy for
anybody. And I did find thatSpace Austin reference you made to be perfect,
and like, ecause I was watching, it was like, couldn't we
get like Ben Affleck or Matt Damonto deliver the graphics in this character here

(47:07):
without this actor, Because don't getwrong, the arc in this episode was
fantastic and he did actually do agenuine drop, genuinely good job. It's
just don't want him to be theone to do when he's saying like,
oh, and by you people,I mean you Mandalorians. There were there
was some dialogue choices in there thatI'm likes Favril trying to redeem Bill here

(47:29):
or are we piggybacking like what?There was some definite dialogue drops in the
discussion about options and theer or leadingup to it, where I'm like,
we're getting kind of blended lines here. So fantastic acting, no question that
the writing was, but why doesit have to be that actor? Yeah,

(47:50):
yeah, yeah, yeah. AndI know we're probably going to get
a bunch of hate for our opinionson this, but there are opinions,
and if you don't like it,then sorry, he's very base. No,
I think it's great. And I'mnot saying that all of his comedic
work isn't funny either. I justthink that there is a line between being
a genuine asshole and trying to bean asshole in the guys of comedy,

(48:10):
you know, and you can youcan skew different ways. And now him
being married to a black woman doesnot give him free rein to say whatever
the hell he wants. No,not at all. Uh so, do
may have that out of the way, let's talk about the episode. Yeah.
So this was very much, youknow, as I said earlier,

(48:34):
like an Ocean's eleven set up kindof heist. It was an information Heistum.
I like. I like the waythey split the party. Um,
you know, the idea that halfof the people that he wanted to go
in to do to go into thisfacility that they were in could not go
in because they're all wanted by theEmpire and it just won't work. Um,

(48:57):
and I love of Tomorrow's line,my face might be a problem.
Yes, you know, he isthe original Trooper, and I think I
read someplace canonically there are a fewStormtroopers left to our advanced clones, so
they're not all volunteers or conscripts,so his face would be a problem exactly.

(49:20):
Yes. Um. I also let'stalk about real quickly the opening scene
where they're on the junk planet,the mining where the prison planet. Did
you know that those walkers in theback that those were stop motion? No,
that's so cool, Yeah, verycool. Our sister show, Kaiju
curry House tweeted out to us thatyeah, that was stop motion. That
was not animated at all, orthat was not a I love seeing practical

(49:44):
effects in work. Well, andit's such like it's a you know,
in the background, so far awaythat you honestly think, oh, cgi,
yeah walker. I mean I definitelynoticed that they were cool. Yeah,
but no, it's all it wasa stop motion, which is fantastic.
I love that. Yeah, that'sjust my little thing. Sorry,
Yeah, but why'd you tell usabout that? Why don't you tell us

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about that intro? So they goto I cannot remember if they said the
junk planet or not, but theygo to spring Bill Burr's character it's like
a prison planet. Yeah, um, And so they're working. He's working
on like scrapfield. So you seea bunch of like down tie fighters,
you see a bunch of downed ships. So he's like, it's it's a
salvage mining planet. I assume thedroid enforced or was very funny because he

(50:32):
keeps on saying his prison number,and he's like, go leave, now,
go go. It was very funnyto me. Um. So it's
cardoon and she's like, all right, come on, a god job for
you. He's very uh, youknow, confused as to why he's being
sprung. And he sees a slaveone Finnick steps out, and then we

(50:54):
see a newly freshly painted boa feta very nice touch, very spiffy.
I've seen some people online saying itlooks too mad, it looks too dark.
Oh jeez, I mean it's notgonna look exactly like it did any
original movies. It's a new pagejob. It is a darker green.

(51:15):
I will say that his other greenwas a little lighter, but it's not
distracting well, and maybe it wasa little lighter because it you know,
it had been in use for awhile. This is a brand new page
job. Yeah exactly. I justI wanted to just repeat a joke that
my friends and I I think Chrishas heard me say this before. You

(51:37):
know, everybody's like, hold thesethings technically, but understand what was happening
in nineteen seventy eight. In nineteenseventy nine, there was very limited budget
and like, how are we goingto paint this because you know, the
original armor was like white. Yea, I'm one of the tests for George
and and we don't actually know howit came to be. But the joke

(51:58):
is, at least with my friendswho are who are professional pop makers,
you know, it's like, well, we've got half a can of green
and we got half a canna red. Let's see what we can do.
And that's how it ends up being, you know, that craziness. And
then so over time people are like, oh no, it has to be
this, and get the Pantone cardsout and the Greebley has to be one
micron over and like no, no, it really doesn't have to be,

(52:19):
because they weren't thinking like that innineteen seventy nine and night. So now
that they have better budget and canscope it out, if it's going to
be Matt and a dark green,then it's gonna be Matt in a dark
green yea. And also I thinkit gives you know, a little variation
on BOFE cause players too, becausethere are clearly now multiple versions of this
character you can Cause play as nowabsolutely, so I get it gives you

(52:44):
a little more variety, I guesswould be the word for it. But
yeah, So they leave the planetand he sees Mando. He's like,
oh fucking shit. He's like,hello, Hi, Hallo, sir.
So nice touch with the with theair horn the errands because he's like,

(53:07):
oh, it's okay if it's you, We're I was looking for somebody else.
And then as soon as man hissem horn plays on the background,
Yeah, like ah crap. Sothey get into the Slave One and they're
off, you know, on theadventure, which, by the way,
I love seeing the inside of theSlave One and how it works. It's

(53:27):
like on a gyroscope basically, yes, And we only get to see the
inside the Slave one you know,the cockpit wise in episode two, cockpit
wise briefly in episode five, andthat's basically it. Um. And you
know, you have the incredible crosssections books from way back when, and

(53:49):
they had the episode it was anepisode of four or five one where you
see, you know, an artist'sinterpretation of what the inside of the ship
looks like, which they kind oftook reference from that and put it into
the show. And the fact thatyou know, it tilts up right and
it's on a gyroscope, so seeingeverything kind of move the way it does
was very cool to me. It'ssuch as a very that's the love letter

(54:14):
to the fans because that they rememberedthat's how the ship would operate whenever that
artist created that years ago. Yes, because we all kind of wonder like,
how the hell does this work?I don't get it, but it
works on a gyroscope basically the end. Yeah. Um. So they're like,

(54:37):
well, we need to get someinformation out, and so they leant
on this planet. Um and likeChris said, no one can really go
in because they're all wanted by theempire. Yeah, so what are they
doing on this planet? They aretrying to retrieve information as to where Moth
Gideon is. Yeah, what sorry, what's the what's the empire thing on
this planet? I don't remember.Okay, So they are mining incredibly explosive

(55:06):
UM fuel, right fuel, Yeah, or something like that, kind of
some kind of ore. Yeah,that is, it is massively explosive and
dangerous UM. And the planet itappears to be habitated by habitating, that's
not a word inhabited um bye bye, you know, compared to the rest

(55:31):
of the Empire. And they're buildingrather primitive UM tribal people sort of whatnot
um who do not seem very enthusiasticabout the Empire's presence there. No,
they're not happy people. Yeah,which it's very much kind of like an
allegory of what we have seen inyears past in like the rainforests of South

(55:53):
America. Yes, because the wholeplanet is covered with these vast beautiful forests
and they have these tanks and theseyou know, machines cutting things down and
mining the natural resources of these peoplefor profit. I'm like, that doesn't
scream grow life at all. Yeah, there's always a real life allegory to

(56:15):
be found, and so that kindof maybe go like, oh, I
see what they're gonna is this fernGully? What's happening? Oh God,
that movie does not pulled up.Let me just say, my child,
it was very much true. It'sa terrible movie. Yeah, it's is
this fern Gullie? Part two?What's what's going? Is fern Goalie in

(56:36):
space? Yes? Uh so basicallythey've got a hijack one of these sort
of like armored transports that are carriedit isn't Juggernaut. Yes, if they've
got to hijack one of these thatare filled with this explosive or it is
very volatile or um that has atendency to just blow up if you go

(56:58):
with it, if they go liketwo fast or something, or if it
if it gets too hot. SoI'm assuming that if it's jostled too much,
yeah, it starts to build heatjust because of whatever energy it's being
stored. UM. So they can'tgo very fast. They can't you know,
they can't be really knocked around.Um. So they've got to get
from the mining point to this baseI guess, like the refinery or whatever,

(57:21):
which kind of makes me think,like, why wouldn't they just build
bases wherever they're mining the ore from? Why why even have a drive.
But I assume because whatever it's,they don't want a huge explosion of things.
I don't know, Yeah, Idon't know. But so these species
that we see, they look alot, at least to me, they
look like a lot of from episodeone, two and three, Stacy ten,

(57:45):
who is the Jedi who goes andconfronts Palpatine, He's like the one
has like the horns that come out. He's on the council. Yeah.
He also, I thought they lookedlike space pirates that we've seen before.
He will he looked they looked morelike his species because I think they had
like these horns that are coming upfrom the side and they kind of come

(58:06):
down. I don't know if it'sthe same species or not, but they
just looked like them. But that'sjust my observation on them. Yeah,
well, so they're they're they're youknow, they're rumbling around in this in
this transport that they've this juggernaut transportthat they've managed to um Seas and it's
just it's Mando and it's um yeahum and And that gave us grounds to

(58:30):
have a little exploration of the wholehelmet on or helmet off armor. That
was I thought a really nice umin universe. Um plot Uh, it's
not even a plot point, butplot development about well how are you going
to do it? So then heputs on the Stormshipper driver armor. Yeah.

(58:52):
Um, and the and again.So we go back to Bill Barr
doing uh sorry, Phil Burr doingUm. There's a fortune some really good
acting and delivering lines. Just youknow, it's importunate that it's coming from
somebody who's got this problematic background.But the whole thing about Empire versus the

(59:15):
New Republic, it's all the sameto these people because it's essentially an occupying
force exactly. There was I thinksome good tie in to his character in
episode eight. You know, thewhole thing of it doesn't matter what side
you're on, there's always arm dealers. It's all the same. So I
think there are some some important thematicpoints that Bill Burr's character was was bringing

(59:38):
up. And then the whole thingabout are you taking the helmet off where
you just don't choose to like what'sgoing on here? What do you stand
for? Where's your line? Yeah? Right, And he said you know
that everybody reaches a point where therules are going to come off, and
that was fantastic, you know,hidden pen foreshadowing for the balance of the
episode, and then the whole thingwith the pirates and the and the Juggernaut.

(01:00:01):
I have to say, um,I don't remember who wrote this episode,
if it was Fabro or not,but this is definitely a video game
level episode because the whole thing isyou got to keep the temperatures cool,
you got to fight off the pirates, you got to make it across the
bridge, and one level of piratesafter another level of pirates, and then
your gun doesn't work. And Iwas like, this is to game level

(01:00:22):
episode. Yeah, that's it.That's funny. That's because I said the
same thing during the episode. Iwas like, oh, we've got another
wave in coming. Yeah. No. I think it was written by the
director who did it was Rick umUh. I can't say his last Yeah
uh yeah he did this episode.He wrote and directed. I believe if
fantastically done. But it definitely gaveme that vibe of a video game where

(01:00:47):
you've got the countdown timer, you'vegot the red line on the heat,
you got to make it across certainyeah, exactly. You can only go
a certain way and then wave afterwave after wave. It was fantastic.
Yeah, And so they get prettyclose to the refinery whatever it is.
Um you know they're seeing they're seeingother juggernauts that are you know, ahead

(01:01:10):
of them are just being blown out. Well, yeah, they're being blown
to bits because you know, it'sby the pirates or having to go too
fast. They try to escape thepirates and they are closing in and tie
fighters just sort of appear from thisChina first time. I was very happy
to see a ti fi, right. I all thought of, like,

(01:01:30):
we are all cheering for the appearanceof these ti fires. It's great inversion
to make the bad guys the heroes. And then you see all the other
storm shoopers hearing like anybody else wouldlike it is. That's exactly what this
whole bit was. It completely humanhumanized the Empire, like this is just
a bunch of people who have,you know, whatever their own moral standards,

(01:01:53):
you know, or god knows whatpropaganda they've grown up with with the
Empire. Who you know, theymay think, hey, they're you know,
maybe they're getting paid really well andthey're sending money back to wherever they're
from. You know, there's allthese reasons why these people who are obviously
just people might be there, andit ties back into that whole monologue that

(01:02:14):
Builder had earlier. And absolutely,but then then we do get the payoff
as to why they're the bad guys, which just I'll turn it back overady
to your episode synopsis. But inwhen we meet the good old boy officer,
then then we're all reminded, Oh, that is why they are the
bad guys. These people are douchebags. Yeah. Well, and again,

(01:02:36):
you know, are the are thelower ranked totally douchebags or you know,
as it is with a lot ofbig business and stuff, is it just
the higher ups to the fair pointlegendary questions from nineteen forty five, I
was just following orders, Yeah,exactly. Yeah. Propaganda is a powerful
tool, very so anyway, Yeah, so they so they get in,

(01:02:58):
they're welcomed, you know it,returning heroes because they've survived one no other
transport has today. Um, soit's a big deal. They're you know,
pats on the back and stuff,and they're trying to avoid all of
this attention. This is like thecomplete opposite you would ever want for this
kind of mission. You're trying tobe as low key as possible, and

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literally everybody is coming to talk toyou, um and welcome you with open
arms. So they're you know,they're not taking their helmets off. They're
just like, you know, thumbsup and hey, yeah, we're yeah,
we're good. This is great.We're just gonna go get a drink.
So then they mosey over you.There is data, which is what

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they was it. Why couldn't Bilberddo it? What happened? The senior
officer was one that he had workedwith before, and he was concerned that
that's right. Abe recognized yes,So he saw him. There was an
eye contact moment and he was like, shit, I need to keep I
need to keep a little prile profile. And so there's him back and forth,

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and eventually Amando walks over and we'reall kind of like staring at him,
like, well, what are yougonna do? You're wearing him helmet
and this is official recognition paid toport and so because you know, he
where's the line, there's the linehe's not gonna get the information he needs
to save his son well, andagain it was helmet. A dummy award

(01:04:40):
goes to him when he first triesto do with the hellent on and he's
been told no, oh I know. I was like, really are we
doing this? He's not the smartestman. He gets too dummy awards.
I'm gonna talk it up to maybeyou just make dumb decisions when you're under
pressure, don't we all? Weall do that. We all do that.
I'm like, really, sir,Yeah, And so then so off,

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helmet comes off. We've got pastypedro Pascal with a mustache. Not
no, like he doesn't so hedoesn't show his face. He rarely removes
the mask, but he has timefor facial hair up. Keith, Well,

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listen, all right, it's choice, its choices, choices. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, so's you know, get the informigin he needs,
but then you have the commanding douche. Yeah. Uh is like, you
know, trying to talk to him, and I like, I didn't really
like to find Bill Burr's like,you gotta talk louder for him, sir,

(01:05:45):
because his ear comes around. Youknow, he's got he's got some
tv E going, he's got traumaticbrain injury. You have nice to this
guy and then they you know mentionedthey go, Okay, we gotta go
through out these reports now and thenthe officers like, no, you're gonna
staying. They're like, oh yeah, well, so so he's heard about
what happened. He congratulates them onbeing the only Juggernaut to make it.

(01:06:06):
You know, this is a bigachievement. Come and have a drink with
me, which I love. Yousee like the tenseness in Patriot's face.
He's like everyone can see me.Yeah, he just like it's very funny.
But yeah, So the commanding officerwas like, what do we cheers

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to? And Bill burgoes, whatabout operations Cender, which for those who
played battle Front two, that isa huge name drop, huge choo choo
choo chooge. Yeah, and youknow the authors like, oh, well,
you know your history goes No,I was there. I lived it,
because you know, the Empire burnttheir own cities to make it look

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like the Alliance did it. Sopart of the Emperor's plan to punish his
own from him down for lack ofa better phrase, which goes back to
I know, these really are thebad guys, and anybody who signs up
really needs to, you know,gut checked themselves and that. But that

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imperial officer, he had no problemwith the savagery firing on his own people,
not at all. I actually intois one of the best best delivered
exchanges this season because you and againI will absolutely say Burr nailed it.
He did because you could see thejust internal anger levels rising absolutely every word

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that came out of this officer's mouth, and it was very, very intriguing
to watch. It was fantastic.And I will go ahead and say,
and Chris has been with me.You know. I don't know what it
is about the Star Wars fandom communitywhatever, or the Star Wars family,
but I have been um bando onboth sides with that head of oh my

(01:07:56):
god, please don't do what you'redoing. One who gets the head and
one who has given the head superblydone, because it just turned the screws
that much more because you knew thiswas going to go full eighteen eighties shoot
out in the bar um. Butthe dialogue leading up to it was fantastic

(01:08:17):
and it just was I can't speakenough to the writing in the direction here
and the act. It was verywell done. Uh and then because you're
you're looking at Bilberg's character, you'relike, don't do it, don't do
it. Don't do it. Howare you planning to get out of this?
But don't you fucking pull that pistol, don't you dare yea. And
yet at the same time, you'relike, blow that bastard away. It's

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you're on the line bag. Yeah, and he, you know, smiles,
and then he literally puts a holein this guy's head. Yeah.
That was that was great. Itwas fantastic and so and then when he
does that, one of the trooperswas like a little lunch trays just like
what, Yeah, what happened?What now? I think even birds character

(01:09:05):
like didn't really believe he had doneit, certainly Mando, Oh yeah,
I didn't looking at him like thefuck dude, Yeah exactly. It's very
funny. So yeah, so theyhave to shoot their way out of the
mess. Hall I guess. Yeah, they're shooting all kinds of troopers,
which, by the way, Idon't know if we discussed it or not,
but we get to see the shoretroopers again from Rogue one, right,

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Yeah, so that was really coolto see those troopers again because that's
a really unique and entring design.But so they have to shoot their way
out. Um. Both Kara andFinnick are the sharp shooters on top of
the ridge, and so they seethem trying to escape out the balcony.
For some reasons, a strong trooperlike opens the bottom of the shutters and
tries to like grab them, andlike it's yeah, a dumb board again

(01:09:53):
or troopers are dumb. So yeah, I like how Bill kind of like
looks under and like just shoots themfrom underneath the the shades. Uh.
And so Finnick and car are fightingcover fire. They're shooting a bunch of
troopers. Um they call him.Bobo's like, hey, we like to
be picked up now, please comeand get us. Yes, Um,

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Pinnick takes out a bunch of theAA guns and the fire the gunners,
I guess, which is a reallycool shot because she just takes him out
one one hit ko. She doesn'tmiss a single shot absolutely uh. And
so Boba comes picks him up andhe is pursued by tie fighters and then

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we get the best moment of theepisode for all of us die hard prequel
fans. We get the sound ofall sounds well charge, Yeah, that
was great. I was waiting forit because I'm like, what's going to
happen? And he hits a littleicon button. I was like, that

(01:10:56):
could do. And then I literallywent to silent because I was like,
I was waiting for the sound andabsolutely I was watching with a friend and
I said the same thing, Iwonder if they're going to use the Oh
my god, Well, I likeyou said, Lawrence, you know,
we'll put a bunch of the audiocues from you know, the original three
movies and the prequel movies. It'sit's great sound cues because remember you hear

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those, you know, You're like, oh I know this, I get
you know, butterflies when I hearthat sound. Yeah. So it was
a great use of that and fanservicing, yes, but again in a
good way, not in a badway. It served. It served the
story, I mean, and itwould make sense that Boba would use the
same type of tech and weapons thathis father did. So I have no

(01:11:43):
objections and I think it was verywell done. Agreed. So they get
away and both car and Man whokind of look at each other and they're
out of the ship with Mayfield andthey're like, well, it's a damn
shame. Oh we should say thatthe Mayfield gets his kind of proper revenge
by blowing up the whole refinery becausehe takes a pot shot at a exposed

(01:12:09):
tanks of the ore and blows upeverything. Yes, yeah, yeah,
he trashes the facility. And andI do want to acknowledge the writing also
that he when the firefight goes down, you know, he tells Mando aka
brown Eyes as named by the Umthat you know, he acknowledges that he

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took but he's like, the secretstays with me, like because now now
he's operating on a different level.He's he's there to help him get the
kid, but also I think toavenge all of his comrades that were lost,
um, you know in Operations Center. So it was a part of
his characters redemption arc. Yeah,this was a legitimate redemption arc. It

(01:12:54):
was very nice to see. Butyeah, so they land uh car Man
kind of look at each other andShe's like, well, it's a damn
shame that Mayfield didn't make it outof the explosion, and Mendo's like,
I know, and Mayfield is stillkind of going like, Hi, I'm
right here, what what are youtalking about? So I would if I
heard somebody say that and I didn'tcompletely trust him, I would be afraid

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that meant they were going to turnaround and shoot me. Oh yeah um,
And so he's like, can Igo, because I'll go, Like
seriously, I'll go. And Car'slike looking ways saying because she's like,
I cannot technically say you are freeto go, like that's against my I
can't do that. And Mendos justlike he nodds with me. He's like,
get the fuck out of here,go yeah, leave, sir.

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So he trots off and they hadthe information in tow and then that leads
us to the season finale. Sowhat would you guys rate this episode?
I mean, aside for the factthat there's two actors that I'm not okay

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with and that did that did takeout some of the enjoyment for me,
this was a solid plot with solidwriting and solid execution. So I would
give it a nine. Okay,Lawrence, I don't agree with that,
I mean, or or a split, which would be you know, an
actual ten, because I was stillriveted by it in so far as three

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the arc where the characters went,that whole scene inside the mess. But
yes, it is heavily colored bythe cast casting choices. So if I
give it a couple points off forthat and then I average it. Then
it comes to a nine. Butyou know, I recognize not everybody's going

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to agree that. If I justmeasure the episode on its own, it
really is an incredibly well done episode. It is tight, and it got
us where we needed to go.I would say as well, like a
eight and a half nine for me. Up, I'm just measuring the episode
itself. It was great eight,great action, great pacing, you learned
a lot about characters, get somegreat moment sound effects, whatever it may

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be. But yeah, i'd sayeight and a half nine easily. Yeah.
Yeah. So that means that weare going to be talking about our
season finale next guys, the episodeof all episodes basically. But before that,
we're going to take another quick littlebreak and then we're back in just
a moment, all right, andwe're bad guys. So we're talking about

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now the season finale of season twoof The Mandalorian. What a ride it's
been. This is a great seasonfinale. It wraps up some stories,
makes some new stories happen, andit's all around a great episode. Oh

(01:15:55):
yeah. So firstly, it's directedby Peyton Reid, who has directed both
the Ant Man films for the MCUSO and he also directed. I believe
it was episode two of this seasonwith the spiders. I'm interesting, Okay,
I think it was that one.I think I'm pretty sure. Um

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so, uh, let's let's talkthis episode. So did you guys think
that this was a satisfying conclusion fora season? Oh, it's not the
conclusion I expected, but I am. I'm satised. I don't know if

(01:16:41):
I would seem satisfied. I'm justit works. It works for me,
it works. Okay. Yeah,um, let me get my inner joker
on, not the one that otherwisewould tie into this episode, and just
say, where do we begin?Because there was a lot to unpack in
this episode. UM, I willsay upfront, I do think that this

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was originally conceptualized as a series finale. It ends what I say, as
a series finale. Yeah. Um. And because it had been in the
can for a long time, UM, it is possible that they were like,
well, we're not sure you knowwhere this is going to go.
And then because Disney and particular underBob Eiger are doubling down and the first

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season was so successful and they realizenow that they have a UM, means
to connect with the fans. Thatdoesn't require theatrical releases. Um that we
will be getting more Mando. Butthis truly felt like it was originally conceptualized
as a serious finale and frankly,if it ended, now okay with it?

(01:17:51):
Yeah, no one, that's fair. Um. So, like you
said, there's a lot to dissectfor this episode, So let's start off
with the I guess beginning, whichis them meeting back up with h Baton

(01:18:15):
and m oh no, or dothey find the scientists first? They find
the scientists, and that's right.That was um some opportunity to see slave
one doing its thing, uh andthe both that is still like fantastic pilots,
you know, in air to air, not just uh air to ground.

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And I was refreshed, for lackof a better phrase, that the
scientists I guess scientist is not aper se bad guy. He's doing bad
things, but you know, hequickly was giving up the information necessary.
I think heizes that there is aspecial connection between Mando and the child.
Um, so he's not gonna godown with the ship, unlike the Imperial

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officers. The exchange been the officerswas interesting as well. M Yeah,
that was kind of weird. Well, one of them was willing to die
for the empire, the other waslike, nah, dude, yeah,
it's a job. Yeahcheck, Idon't want to no, thank you.
Yeah, but they both end updying, so who cares? Yeah,

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well, I mean, and Ithink it's important one dies by the hand
of the other that got the umuh what I want to call the true
believer and and he recognizes that,you know, cardoon Is is a threat
to him, and she delivers onthat threat. You know, she chanced
to surrender, he didn't. Thethe scientists is a crisis asset, so

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she has to do what she hasto do. And there was a fantastic
exchange about the Death Stars and thelives lost Death Stars versus Alderan, which
I think that's perfect commentary about falseequivalence, where the bad guys are like,
well, you hurt all of ourpeople, and it's like, yeah,
but Drew the bad guy who blewaway a bunch of innocent people on

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a peaceful planet. So yeah,well he tried to. Yeah, he
absolutely false false equivalency. That wholethat whole exchange was great, and you
know he's basically he's poking it abig open wound on car and he's doing
this on purpose, and you know, oh yeah, you know, hey,
I served, I served on theDead Star, which she replies,
you know, snidely, which onefantastic commentary. Yeah, and um,

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you know, he goes further intoyou know, there were millions of people
I worked with who died on thatand she's like, are you are you
really gonna go there? And justhe keeps pushing it and pushing it and
she blows them away, and youknow, it was nice. It was
a nice moment. Well at least, you know, he didn't you know,
ask her, who'd you lose?Oh? God, uh did you

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lose? That's that line still justgets me because it's so funny. Um.
So, yeah, so they capturedthe scientist and he gives up all
the information. Uh, they capturedthe shuttle as well for ebous plot points
we need that, which is calledback episode six. Yeah. Yeah,

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and they end up landing on somebackwater planet and uh, they meet up
with Bow and the other Mandalorian whosename I'm totally blanking on. I actually
know where Sasha Sasha Banks's character,and he's like, hey, we found

(01:21:46):
Gideon she's like okay, and he'slike, hey, they have the kid,
and she's like, let's go,we're gonna fight. But before that,
yeah, these pour these poor peoplein this and then in this antina
cafe whatever, or like, ohshit, there's already two Mando's in here
and two more walking. Something's goingdown. So they poke at Boba.

(01:22:09):
Speaking of open woman, they kindof poke at Boba. Bokaton says,
you're a bounty hunt You're not aMandalorian. You're not You're you're disgrace the
Mandalorians basically, and uh, he'slike, you know, this is my
father's armor. And she goes,don't you mean your donor? Yeah,
fantastic, because she says, Imean technically all fathers are donors at some

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point. This is a little deeperthan that. Yeah, yes, And
you know, she's like, I'veheard your voice thousands of times, thousands
of special. Yeah. Well,here's the thing, we don't know if
she knows who Boba Fett is.She just may be acting on the cues

(01:22:53):
of the fact that she hears thisguy's voice, because she doesn't say anything
to him until after he speaks.And I think then the connection has made
like, oh, this is justanother clone. Do we know that she
knows who is or is this justclone? I think into it. Yeah,
I think she would know who heis because he was because he's so
notorious in the in the because commentssaying or not a real Mandalorian, you're

(01:23:17):
about your disgrace before. Yeah,so I think she knows who he is.
But that could also tie into justthinking that he's a clone. If
he's just a clone and he's wearingMandalorian army and then he's not a Mandalorian,
why would she could be. Buthe does acknowledge he said I never
claim to be he said father hewas, and and he keeps calling her
princess with some real venom there.So I think the backstory that you know

(01:23:44):
they may go head and developed.He definitely knows who she is because,
like you said, he you knowwho she is absolutely, yeah. Yeah,
so it's safe to assume she wouldknow who he is too. But
he makes kind of a mistake oftaking on Sasha Banks's character, which was
at a time it looks like he'sgonna win. But she's much younger and
much you know, lighter on herfeet, and she does this really cool

(01:24:06):
like roundhouse WWE kick. This iswhere the WWE comes in, like jetpack
kick knocks him on the ground justand then both their flamethrowers are activated at
the same time. You're that worksflame off and it's fantastic, and Bose
like if you two don't stop atit right now. Uh So she's like

(01:24:29):
all right, So, you know, basically, Mando's like, are you
gonna come help us or like what? So they formulate a plan of diversions
of espionage kind of uh to getonto Gideon's ship. So Boba goes into
Slave one. There's some going toothe shuttle and they're gonna act like they're

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being pursued and they need, youknow, median assistance back up all that
stuff we get in. They needto get into the so that they can
be in a way to get in, which which works for you know,
it basically works well. But Janewasn't falling for it initially. I mean
he didn't. I don't think hetrusted it, which is why he sent
out he said, on a tiefighter squadron instead of just letting the board

(01:25:15):
well, I mean, it's spacetrojan horse, but it was plausible.
They needed they needed reinforcements. Umand um, it would make sense to
launch tie fighters if you have sayingwe're in distress and somebody's blasting on them.
But I agree with you that hishis facial acting suggested he's not entirely
comfortable. I think he was agreat assessment of the situation, and that's

(01:25:40):
I mean, that would be makinghim a good leader. Just letting them
in is questionable. It's a questionright. That being said, he is
expecting a shuttle with the scientists,so you know, he has to give
it the benefit of the doubt.But he's you know, justified in being
skeptical. Um. And I thinkit's important to acknowledge the tension between Bokatin

(01:26:03):
and ba Fete because they have torely on each other to pull this off.
So everybody's teaming up. H andI think I think Mandalorian's subtitle is,
uh, you know, team upsthrough Space. I watched a lot
of disyndicated shows growing up, sothis is like a very much a team
We help the local people and thenwe move on and very very or something

(01:26:27):
like that. Seventies and eighties action. Yeah, yeah, so so um,
you know, like make the shotslook good. He's like, keep
your shields up. I'm going tomake the shots look good. We're all
in this together. Um and sovery plausible. But but there's a reason
why he's them off and the MOFis skeptical exactly, yes, Um,

(01:26:48):
so he you know, they endup forcefully landing inside the hangar, even
though they're saying, you know,wait until the hangars clear, and like,
no, we can't. Sorry,we're already on approach. So and
if I mean, let me justsay, what what a great little shout
out to some ballastarch lactica launch tubeaction, especially because of who our actress

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is playing. Um, that wasa very nice inside look because I don't
I can't recall ever seeing in thecinematic world anyway, you know, launch
tubes for the Empire usually it's likehangar launches. So that was a nice
little ballastarchlatic as far as I wasconcerned. Um, say, so Boba

(01:27:33):
destroys the fighters and hyper spaces outof there and we don't see him again
for that episode until a certain part. Uh. Yeah, I was actually
kind of surprised that he just nodoubt he's like peace by but luck with
that guys. Yeah, so heleaves, they board the Arquentin and you

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get I think one of the coolestlike female team ups we've seen in all
that. Absolutely, absolutely, itdidn't even occur to me till you know,
probably like midway through that whole sequence. I was like, they're a
salt team and it's all female.I have to say this about Mando that
every single actress in the show,female actress that has something to do with

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the plot, whether it be youknow, Pelly Motto or you know Finnick,
every single actress is forty or above. Yeah. Oh, it's huge.
And you don't see that a lotof Hollywood because if you reached forty
and you're in Hollywood, you're putout to pasture a lot of the time.
Yeah. Being a win it's fiftynine. Yeah, and looks forty

(01:28:42):
because she's a witch, a princess. She is a princess witch yep.
But every single person is over theage of forty. And I commend Disney
and Lucasfilm for doing that. Igotta say that's well done for them.
Yeah, actors who is also forthe most part, um uh not white

(01:29:06):
for Katie, But you know that'snice. It's nice. The diversity from
this entire not just season with thiswhole series has been so commendable. It's
just so refreshing. It's so refreshing. And they're not just background player players
or obviously you know, I hateto use it, but they're not just

(01:29:26):
tokens as they really came off inthe sequel series. M Oh, yeah,
this test for sure. But it'snot just that. It's the there's
such great substance and it was afantastic shot to see the four of them
walking through the bridge and the gantreeand all that they're in charge. They're
going to secure the deck, they'regoing to execute their plan. Um,

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you, if you're a fan,you had no question that this plan was
not going to fail because of them. Who knows what's going to happen with
Mando because the plan was a littlebit risky that he needs to be in
two places almost at the same timeand take on these super droid soldiers because

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the scientists explained that this new versionof the Dark Trooper they have, as
we alluded to early on in theshow, has completely removed the human element,
so like super Battle droids now,but they do have to be force
power capabilities. Yeah, they dohave to be activated, right, And
so the whole thing is that they'rekind of like in storage on the ship,

(01:30:32):
so that that leads to this beinganother kind of like video game Europe
Against the Time, which that activationthing was bullshit because like a third of
the way three force of the waythrough, like the bar going up,
like the tubes attached, and they'relike walking out. I'm like, so
they can go. I agree withyou. Why why are they waiting for
the bar to go up? Yeah? The whole activation thing was I don't

(01:30:54):
know, that was dumb. Iwas like, if they're moving and the
little tubes attached, that means they'rea okay, what is it? What's
what? They needed a reason thistoo. They needed a reason to separate
the party. Oh yeah, that'sthat's what it was. So before separating
the party, we have an exchangebetween bo and um Den where she basically
says, look, I don't know. I don't care what goes down.

(01:31:15):
I don't know how care how itgoes down. I need Gideon. Gideon's
mine. I need Gideon um Andhe's like he's worth too much to us
for his information, and she's like, I don't care. He just has
to surrender to me at least veryimportant later. Yes, and it makes

(01:31:36):
it, but it contradicts a bunchof stuff that we've seen im previous.
Yea, and so it's which.So I didn't even think about that because
it just means it to me.I just thought it was bo trying to
be badass and having you know,a beef with this guy and being like,
oh, he's mine, you knowit, I agree, Very typical
action fantasy trope where the you know, the good guy really really wants to

(01:31:56):
kill the bad guy. Yes,and be the one to kill the bad
guy. So while Kara Bow andSasha Banks's character still I can't remember her
name. Sorry, sorry, they'refighting, Finnic is taking out these Stormtroopers
left and right. She's being atotal badass. Kara is shooting people bows

(01:32:19):
kill. They're all just taking outthese Stormtroopers with ease, phenominal action sequence.
Yeah. So they take the bridgeand then Mando is about to reach
the Dark Troopers when he realizes,oh no, the doors are opening.
I'm too late. So he getsto the code cylinder portal real quick,
tries to crank it so you know, the doors stay shut. One of

(01:32:42):
the Dark troopers gets out. Therest are staying in their little containment area
whatever it's called, and he doesbattle with it, and every single thing
he goes he throws it at justdoes not dent it at all. Does
he do battles so much as he'sthrown around like a ragdolf. Also well
that, but he uses those usinghe's used to the whistling birds, which

(01:33:03):
still one, which from still fromzero one, which you and I've talked
about this is a bullshit thing saying, remember they're use these sparingly as it
uses them in most every other episodeafter that. Sparingly my ass. So
he also uses the flamethrower, whichyou get a really cool shot of the
flames coming out of the troopers armor, I guess. And the only way

(01:33:27):
to take it out is by usingthe best the best scar spear. Yeah,
which is very interesting because it's niceto see this like sort of pinnacle
of technology. It gets taken downby a spear. Right, all of
the blaster of fire, all thelittle his like many torpedoes and stuff,
they just they whatever the thing.Yeah, you see, if these things

(01:33:47):
are not built for you know,just you know, they're built better than
anything else that the Empire is basicallybuilt for trooper wise, so yeah,
I like to know what they're madeout of. Are they made out of
best scar? No, I don'tthink it's best card, but it's something
that's very close to it, clearly. H So Mando shoots the other ones
out into space. He pulls anAliens and shoots it into space, and

(01:34:12):
I will say that was on thenose Aliens, and so I was,
um, but I did feel like, well that was a little bit too
easy. Yeah, And so Iwas like, there's got to be more
to those troopers than that, whicheventually they were. First I was kind
of like, well, that's reallyconvenient. Why the hell would they just

(01:34:32):
have an open port to where they'restoring their precious cargo. That didn't make
sense to me. And then itdidn't make sense to me that, oh,
wait, they are just suits ofarmor. If you need to deploy
them, you could just literally deploythem into space. Yeah, which is
probably how it happened in the inthe Tragedy episode, they just exactly so

(01:34:53):
Jade makes sense. Yeah, Sothat happened, And so Din finally finds
uh Grogu and Gideon in the holdingcells. Gideon has the Dark Saber to
him, and this is the funniestshot when he like first sees Grogu.

(01:35:14):
Grogu has he's cuffed still and helike lifts his arms up and he's like,
hey, Dan, here's the thing. It's really really cute and really
kind of funny. He's like,my bad, I got captured. So
Gideon almost is very kind of sympatheticwith his plight to get Grogum. Uh.

(01:35:38):
You know, he says, youknow you can take him, like
I have already think everything that Ineed, I need. All I needed
was his blood to give a futureand restoration of the Empire, which that's
a big clue for episode note.So yeah, and he's just like,
hey, let me take the DarkSaber, let me walk you can way,

(01:36:01):
and he does. He does makereference to the word order to the
galaxy. So yes, the episodenine, it's definitely first order. The
I guess the Emperor's plan to wipeout the Empire, which the Emperor has
felt failed him and you know,constitute a new entity that is even more
um devoted and more absolute and itsloyalty. Yes, but of course,

(01:36:28):
yes, yeah, guess guess itwas a ruse. Yes, yea,
So Gideon hits and I can seewhy up. You know, he said
that he broke like three or fourof these while filming. I can see
why, sure, because he's justlike he just whack, He's whacking him
with it. It's so funny.Uh so, yeah, he's finding him.

(01:36:54):
I liked it the best car.It still can't penetrate the best car.
However, if you notice when he'shitting him, when he's fighting with
a spear, we can gart itlooks like it's heating it up, yeah,
to where it could break. SoI think if you pressley gets it
long enough, it'll be malleable atleast. So yeah, it's not completely

(01:37:15):
I don't think you know, withinthe realm of cutting it, but just
wax and hits you're fine with.Well. And also, you know,
Mando's armor does not cover every inchof his body, so no, he
has he has the ability to dothose deflection plate shots, but there is
a danger to him that he couldstill be mortally wounded. So it was

(01:37:35):
a well done, very kinetic,very believable. There is a threat here
because he was absolutely indestructible, almostlike kind of a master Chief mule near
armor type thing. It would nothave been as as gut wrenching to watch
that fight go down. You stillknew it wasn't going to be like an
ending where Mando was gonna lose.Yeah. Yeah, but you take all

(01:37:57):
the stakes away, it's not interestingexactly. So it was. It was
a well done Elie and seeing himyou rely on the spear was a very
nice touch. Yeah. I wantto see that he carries it around well.
I also like seeing that when they'refighting. Uh, he's back into

(01:38:17):
the wall and he's like cutting thewall as like a lightsaber wood. It's
really cool practical effect. It's reallycool looking. Um. But yeah,
eventually he is defeated the he knocksthe saber out of his hand and he
captures them and brings them the bridge, and Bocaton has the most what the
fuck face on her, yeah,because she was like what happened? And

(01:38:45):
He's like, you know, Ibeat him whatever, and you know,
Gideon's like, that's not what shemeans. Yeah, and he explains that
you know, the darksaber was wonby in because he defeated getting in a
combat. Yours now it's yours,Yes, it's yours and so and Den's

(01:39:06):
like, well, nope, andso he goes, well, now it's
hers, and she's just staring atlike, I can't fucking take it.
So freaking here's fundamental of religious peopleand there's no okay in rebels. Sabine
gives the dark saber. Absolutely,she to her, Yeah, willie nilly,

(01:39:30):
and she accepts it. She takesit. So I'm confused. I
don't know if that's maybe because it'sa family thing and that it couldn't be
passed from a family member to afamily member, but otherwise it has to
be one in combat. I don'tknow, but Sabine's not a family Oh
Sabine, sorry, right, right, right? R do you think of

(01:39:50):
Satine? I think this is onewhere it's like the whole thing with the
helmets. I think they're um justkind of coloring outside the lines to allow
the plot to be that much morecomplicated. But I also think it gave

(01:40:11):
Jay Carlo a fantastic opportunity to kindof monologue for the audience. Yeah,
is so complicated. Now he's theShakespearean chorus, filling us all in on
what's going on. Because earlier on, you know, she had said to
Mando that Bokatan and said Demando.He has something that I want and she

(01:40:31):
explains it, and Demando, it'sall you would you would think he would
respond to that. He if he'sfrom the even more devoted cult of the
Mandalorian thing about the helmet, heshould at least be aware of the dark
serry. He doesn't care about thatat all. He just wants to go
it and child. So then havingMuff Gideon kind of narrate for us how

(01:40:55):
this is now not even three dimensionalchess but nine dimensional chess, and we
have all these variables happening at thesame time. It made it. I
can see why they cast him.It was wonderful to chew it up and
y'all, you know, the villainto almost twirling us mustache about what are
we now? Yeah, poor guyis definitely a villain, So my theory

(01:41:16):
go ahead. Well, so clearlybo lost the dark savor between rebels and
Mando. Yeah, right, soI think it might be kind of more
of a pride thing with her,like I've you know, I need to
win this back to honor myself,to redeem myself because I lost this.
I lost this once, I cannotlose it again. I need to fight

(01:41:41):
for this for my right to thethrone of Mandalore. That's how I kind
of see it. But that's justthat's just me. I thought it was
initially Yeah, but with I meanhe spelled it out, uh muff,
and spell it out pretty clearly thatno, it hast to be one in

(01:42:03):
combat. It cannot be taken free, it cannot just be given freely.
It has to be one in combat, which again but contradicts and it also
annoys me because this is a triedand over and over again trope of movies
and television where it's we've got alack of information and there's no reason we

(01:42:27):
have we should have this lack ofinformation. You know. It's like it's
like the two guys getting in thecar and I'll explain it to you when
to get there. Okay, wellyou were in the car the whole time.
Why didn't you just tell them whileyou were driving? So they were
getting there, They had to gethere. They were all in the in
you know, in the shuttle together. She had the time to tell him,
while I have to be you know, I want to take him down
and stuff. You know, he'sa religious extremist. He's gonna understand that

(01:42:53):
you gotta do shit a certain wayfor your moviefs. Just tell him,
tell him, look, I needthe dark Savoring. It have to be
me that takes it. You can'tbe the one to take it or I
can't have it. Just say that. Why wouldn't you say that? That's
a huge piece of information set upbow To maybe kind of not be a
villain for season three, but youknow it may have her play a bigger

(01:43:15):
role in season three than what wereyou're originally going to have her in.
Well, I mean she's always kindof been in that gray extremist area.
Yeah, well, and I thinkthat that is frankly, I mean,
we haven't discussed how the how thewhole thing ends and why it could have
been originally a series for now,but I think they almost feel like they're

(01:43:35):
compelling to us to to see what'sgoing to happen on the let us redeem
the legend of Mandalore if we aregoing for additional seasons, because that is
really where the story would seem togo, because she said, you know,
Saber, if I have the ship, then I can go ahead and
store Mandalor from the Emperor's devastation.Regard the empire's devastation. So I think,

(01:44:00):
well, and she asked him whenshe when she went over to get
them and asked for their help toyou know, get the child back.
She was like, Okay, wellyou gotta help me in back Mandalor.
And I think that's where it's going. And that's the what you're saying,
Chris. I mean, she couldhave it filled them all in that,
but that that also is in myhead the explanation as to why she didn't.

(01:44:24):
She's kind of working like a fourlevel, not a con but she's
got her own plan, like she'sgot within plants. So, Um,
the way it went down again,you know, referencing my joker was their
schemers, and when the schemers,it doesn't necessarily go the way you want,

(01:44:45):
right, And I think that waspart of the plan. So so
moth Gideon there literally taunting both sides. Um, and then with the whole
uha. Now I've been basically stalling, and here comes the reinforcements to everybody
to day except my own. Idid seem remarkably calm for everything that was

(01:45:08):
going down. So yeah, yeah, because he knew, he knew that
the troopers were going to come backand they do, and they they surround
the hole inside of the ship,and he's saying, you know, everyone's
gonna be dead in here except forme and the kid. Yep. And
so everyone is trying to you know, scramble and stuff, and they're being

(01:45:29):
distracted by the droid. The doctor. We're trying to get in, and
he ends up hiding a blaster behindhis cape, and so he shoots Bow
and she goes down, which forthe longest time I thought she was dead
because they didn't pan back to hername once. I'm like, if you
fucking killed Bow, I'm gonna beso goddamn pissed. So that happens,
and then he tries to Nando throwsaside in front of the kid because because

(01:45:53):
he tries to shoot him, actuallykill the kids. So his whole thing,
if I need the kid, he'sindispensable, clearly, Yeah, stances
change enough. So it turns methat means he's already got enough to set
the restoration of the Empire, andSnoke and the Emperor underweigh that well,
so he wasn't lying in the cell. He literally didn't need the kid anymore.

(01:46:14):
Yeah, No, And so hethen tried to commit suicide and car
stopped him right, and that wasgreat. The droids are just pulling down
this door and everyone's just like,um, what the fuck do we do?
And lo and behold we see inthe distance from the bridge a small
X wing flying to frame and thecar makes their mark, saying, oh,

(01:46:36):
good, one x wing, We'resaved. Oh Joel. Well,
so in that very first second,I was like, oh, of course
the New Republic is here to swoopin and save the day. And then
I was like, wait, it'sone X wing. Yeah, So I
will go ahead and say, becauseof as we discussed with my first appearance

(01:46:56):
and your show, very kindly,I have an affinity in a connection with
lou So I started getting a lotof text messages Thursday and Friday telling me
absolutely don't go on the internet inany shapeway or form, And I'm like
when I'm getting and I actually startedhearing from people like I haven't heard from
in a long time, and we'renot like this even politically connected anymore.

(01:47:16):
Like when I'm hearing like warnings,I'm like, this is going to be
interesting. And I'm starting to havea few guests. And then when you
have a lone x wing on withthat sound that only x wings make.
I started literally rocking back and forth. That's what I was doing. Yep.
I was like this guy, like, I think this is going where

(01:47:38):
it's going and and it. Iwill say that when Grogu did connect on
the ET phone home channel in theTragedy episode, I did say like,
well, I don't know who he'sconnecting with. The only Joe that we
know out there is Looke, ButI don't know if they're going to go
in and be you know, thatcrazy to go there. Well guess what,

(01:48:00):
hey wather And so we actually discussedthis on a previous episode with ah
Soca and that there was no way. Basically, we were saying that eventually
Ah Soca and Luke could not havea connection. At least they had to
know each other, they had toknow of each other's existence, and then
further, Luke would have to knowof Grogu's existence and would probably seek him

(01:48:27):
out eventually. It absolutely makes sense, absolutely makes sense plot wise. I
one thousand percent never expected it tohappen now. I don't think it was
gonna be this soon. And youget this beautiful score by m Luda leg
Gordson and you see this because you'restill like, you see someone with a

(01:48:49):
cloak on, and you're still like, could it be someone else? We
don't know because it's in a blackand white screen with one lightsaber. We
don't see the color yet until he'swalking down the hall and I see I
thought. I thought, I thoughtthe cloak looked black, and so I
was like, see, I couldn't. It just looked dark. I didn't.
I couldn't tell. And so I'mlike, it's fucking Luke Skywalker and

(01:49:12):
oh yeah, I cheered. Iknow everyone. I've seen the reactions on
online. Everyone cheered, Um,I wish I had recording. I wish
I had known to record my reactionbecause I didn't know, and I should
have recorded. I didn't think aboutthat. It definitely it reads. Everyone
was saying. It redeems a lotof what the last Jed I did to

(01:49:32):
Luke in people's eyes, which isvery fair. Um, he takes out
these dark troopers with ease. It'sJedi Knight Luke and his prime. Yeah,
this is this is Jedi Knight Lukein his prime. This is Anakin
Skywalker's son. One thousand percent.Yeah, I would say it is absolutely
the coda too scene in Rogue onewhere everybody stop, unload. This is

(01:49:56):
the Greensaber equivalent. It's a Skywalkerthing like father, like son, absolutely
and just the Dark Troopers maybe thebest that the Emperor has. And that's
why then they go back to Stormtroopersbecause that's just not going to go in
and cut it. You know.He literally was cutting, bisecting them in
half. He crushed one with theforce. He didn't even slow down.

(01:50:19):
That was amazing, that one obverseamazing. Yeah, Um, I can't.
I was just so excited. Icouldn't. I look, Skywalker has
been like everything to me since Iwas a child, so and I never
thought he'd come back. I thoughtthis was I thought this was the end
of it. And you know whatI mean. Mark Hama said that he

(01:50:41):
thought he was done. Um butyou know, as he he said that
once for his portrayal of a Jokerand then he never Yeah, but from
the Forerunners, you know, fromKathy Kennedy and what don't we you know,
we've been told that this is it. The Skywalkers have been put to
bed, we're going to see themon screen anymore. And I do think
though, that's why this was originallypitched as the series finale. I think
they decided we're going for broke,We're going to redeem um, the arc

(01:51:06):
that some people had a lot ofyou know, pain over, including Mark
Hamill yea and um. You know, I may or may not have cheered
up. And I texted that toa friend of mine and he said,
we may all have we may allhave cheered up or not. Um and
so um. But I will sayfor myself because I have you know,

(01:51:29):
the boots and the and the capeand all that, there was no doubt
as soon as I saw him onOh, I know, I was rock
and full back and forth. Yeah. I kept saying, no, this
is Skywalker. And like the restof my family like, oh, what
if it's like a dark Jedi,I'm like, no, it's Luke.
It's Luke. So I'm very happyto do so. I was a happy
camper. Yeah, it's it's agreat It was a great, great,
great thing to see. Um.However, when you see his face,

(01:51:59):
yeah, why art is still notthere? It's not there. There's still
valley. There was some great therewere some good shots from far away,
but then when they do it closer, for some reason, it looked like
he was ran like a PS threegraphics simulator, like I wouldn't go that
far, but no, it didn't. At one point also, like when
he was talking, the dialogue didn'tlook like it was SYNCD up to the

(01:52:20):
mouth at one point. Yes,it was, just there was that slight
uncanny valley. I mean that said, as I told my friend yesterday,
would still smash. So here here'sthe thing. So he was credited as
Mark Hamill, but his voice wasyoung Luke. Yeah. I wondered about
this too. It wasn't Gravelly MarkHamill that we know now because they think

(01:52:46):
they yeah, they d aged it. They have the capability to do that.
It also was not him standing there, that wasn't. That was a
different actor, correct, right,that was a different actor. I mean
he's not even credited as Luke,which sucks Jedi, which I'm like,
I actually know some people who workon the show. I'm like, damn,
I need to talk to somebody becauseI still fit in my tunic and

(01:53:09):
I have the cape, and Iwill go ahead and say there is one
element to it, which was afan identification purpose, but it serves no
purpose for the story. It's fiveyears after return the Jedi. Unless Luke
is purposely keeping the reminder to notbecome Darth Vader, he would not have

(01:53:31):
a glove on his right hand.That was to hide the blaster damage that
he received on jab As sale Bargeright to repair his artificial hand before he
went to you know, the finalbattle on Indoor. It's five years later
he can actually have that hole inthe back of his hand repaired. So

(01:53:56):
the glove serves a purpose for theparents to freak out and their children who
go and be like, who isit? Who is it? Who?
Yeah? No, it was likea streaky It was like they showed us.
They showed us the X wing,they showed us the cloak and the
way he was walking, and thenand then the hand and I was like,
is it wearing a glove. It'swearing a glove. It's Luke.
I'm like, there's no, there'sno damn in my mind right now.
It's Luke. And then the lightsaberextended and there we go. Um.

(01:54:20):
And then we also get another greatUm Original Trilogy appearance of R two D
two Oh Yes, which also Ithink is part of the redemption art because
R two did not get a goodcontract in the sequel trilogy. No,
And also I think he sees Groguand he knows that species likes to fuck

(01:54:40):
with him, and he's like,ah shit, another one. Yes,
I would love to know what hewould see. God damn, god,
damn it. Can we just go? We don't we never saw him,
let's just go. Yeah, Soit was great to see him, and
you know, Mando has this veryheartfelt moment with him and he says,
you know, he's with your yourwith his people, this is who you're
supposed to be with. And Grogu, you know, touches the helmet and

(01:55:04):
we see him take off his helmetyet again, not caring who behind him.
We'll see he doesn't care at thispoint. He just cares about Grogu
and he takes off his helmet.Yeah, he takes off his homet This
is where I got tier eyed,not when sing, but I got tier
eyed at this moment. He takesoff the helmet and Grogu you know,
touched his face and he goes toLuke and you know he does like,

(01:55:29):
you know, up up yeah,and so Luke takes him. So clearly
Grogu wants to go with Luke.Well because well so initially he was hesitant,
and Luke told him, no,you have to let you have to
tell him that it's okay. Hedoesn't want to leave you, but it's
better off with me. He needsto be with me. Yes, until

(01:55:50):
Kylo kills him anyway, So it'swe'll talk about in a second. We'll
talk about that in a minute.So you know, he takes them and
starts walking off. We see along panning shot of the rest of the
heist crew. What you see,Bara's got a shit eating grin on her

(01:56:12):
face because you know she knows seeI said, you know, she knows
who he is. And like theywere like, how does she know who
he is? I'm like, becausethe princess of her planet is his sister.
That's how she knows who he is. And you see Bocatan standing there,
so you know she's not dead,So I'm like bo And so they

(01:56:36):
go on to the elevator and theshot reminds me a lot of the ending
shot of et for some reason.H And I don't know why. It's
like because of the shadows, becauseof the camera, I don't know what.
But you know, the last shotyou see is Mando getting Alteria and
looking at Grogu and then the elevatordoor shut and then you got the credits.

(01:56:57):
Yep, so no artwork, noartwork at all. So this does
this mean for you guys? Doyou think that this wraps up the story
of Gregu and Mando? Absolutely?I feel like it could. It absolutely
could, and it feels like itfeels right. So mh. But that's

(01:57:18):
not the same. We won't seehim, you know, down the road
trained more Yoda. Like, um, I don't know if we'll have another
chance of some Skywalker. I thinkwe would be um selfish to back that.
Of course I want it, butgiven that this was probably pitched that

(01:57:39):
a series finale, um uh.You know, if they could convince Markham
would come back, great, butit would again have to be in a
natural way, and I don't notsure that can go ahead and happen.
It kind of an arc um.I think it needs to be if they're
if they're going to bring Luke backfor a more permanent position, it's it's

(01:58:00):
got to be another actor. Itjust has to be. It has to
be recon Yeah. I don't thinkit has to be permanent with him,
but just the same thing where likehe's in the background and waves goodbye or
something, you know, because he'sgoing on to the Jedi temple. But
but I think this is it forGrogu, and I think it works for
the audience because it really is theshow about the Mandalorian. It's not about
the child. So now he's onto the next task, which might be

(01:58:24):
to who knows, restore his familyname, restore Mandalore. You know.
That's not to say that this sideof the Galaxy won't interact again, but
is a natural close out I think, I mean, I agree with that
that I think the problem with thatis that, you know, Disney is
they are moneymakers, and the childgrow gu Baby Yoda has been their biggest

(01:58:47):
cash cow. Ever, the Mandalorianhas brought more new Star Wars fans and
dissenting Star Wars fans together in away that nothing else has ever done before.
That's true. There's seems to bea unified sense that that the Mandalorian
is good Star Wars. Yeah.And and a key component of that is

(01:59:11):
the relationship between Den and Grogu andthe fact that we've never seen a healthy
familial relationship in Star Wars before.This is it true? And who knows,
maybe a healthy relationship. I guessso she was weird, but you
know, and maybe we'll just doa Ghostbusters thing and the start of season

(01:59:34):
three, I'll just say five yearslater. I mean, we don't know,
and then Grogo could be back,you know, somewhat more trained up
right. You know, I'm selfishbecause I want more Luke, but absolutely
that's that's incredibly unlikely. Um,I'm okay with more baby Yoda, but
he can't be a baby indefinitely orthat story doesn't make sense. And then,

(01:59:57):
as you hinted a few minutes ago, not to get my inner George
R. Martin on. But allof this eventually has to lead up to
terrible tragedy, and that is aproblem over the last The sequel trilogy cannot
stand on its own. So youknow, I remember interviews with Dave Feloni,

(02:00:19):
I want to say Circus season fouror five of Clone Wars, where
parents were saying, look, you'vecreated an amazing character in Ahsoka. My
daughter now has a hero that shecan relate to. And then a lot
of older people were saying that,you know, it's a strong character,
fully developed, Please don't kill heroff. And I remember seeing interviews with

(02:00:41):
Dave Filoni where he was like kindof struck by this is not something that
he had originally planned on having thatsense, But now that generation has grown
up in the world that is completelyupside down, and we've been to the
Game of Thrones era and so okay, she she's not a Jedi, so
maybe she could maybe kind of stillbe alive in episode eight, but really,

(02:01:05):
all these people have to have areal Game of Thrones ending otherwise the
sequel trilogy cannot work. Yeah,and he could maybe not be there at
the time that, you know,Kylo destroys the Temple, because it's at
least because Kylo wasn't born yet.Well we're talking about thirty years later.

(02:01:27):
Yeah, But I mean the titleis the Last Jedi, and Luke is
so burned over it all, andhe understands the whole point that the Jedi
is no longer good or evil butstill fighting balance. His line is it's
time for the Jedi to end.But here's the thing that doesn't mean.
It still doesn't mean that he's deadbecause or is so his dead because again,
she's no longer a Jedi, right, So that's the caveat if Grogu

(02:01:50):
basically just it doesn't work out andhe ends up back with Mando, not
a Jedi. Yeah, that's possible. They could be on on mandalor just
you know, chilling or a buddycop loop for twenty years helping people in
distress. Yeah, so there thereare, there are outs, but it's
hard to not feel like, andI know I've seen a lot of discussion

(02:02:14):
about this in the last twenty fourhours online. It's not it's hard not
to feel like they're red conning thesequel trilogy, or at the very least
they're trying to do what the CloneWars did, which was give substance and
sold to the prequel trilogy. That'sfair. Yeah, I agree that.
Um So, we got about i'dsay fifteen minutes left, fifteen maybe twenty

(02:02:38):
minutes left before our time is up. Um So, real quick, let's
talk about the the Stinger as itis. Um I was not expecting this,
so, in the interest of fulldisclosure, partial disclosure, I knew
this was coming because I have afriend who's the art designer on the show.

(02:02:59):
I just didn't going to do thereveal. So when they didn't reveal
it at the big Disney announcement tendays ago. I was like, Oh,
that's interesting. And then during theepisode was so captivating for me with
regard to Luke when it happened atthe end, and a number of people
told me stay for the first postcredit scene. So is it gonna be

(02:03:23):
Sam Jackson in an I patch,which is definitely funny because Nick Fury or
Mace Windu and they go no,but almost as much swagger. So I
still couldn't put it together at first, and then at the end when we
go back to the house, I'mlike, that is amazing. Well,
it's interesting that you said about aboutSam Jackson because so there's an article that

(02:03:44):
came out that Disney has taken StarWars full MCU. But the Sam Jackson
in this is Mando is Den.He's the one who's ringing all these people
together and then giving them their spinoffs. Yeah right, huh, well absolutely,
But I I was just blown awayby how they did it, and
Matt would for Tuna, which,speaking of which, I saw his name

(02:04:08):
in the credits, and I wasthinking, like, where the funck was
wib ycause I thought that that maybehe was like a patron in the in
the Cantina. That was just like, you know, stuck in there for
an Easter egg. I was like, oh, I'd go back and rewatch
it. I'm like, oh,no, this is Joba. No.
Yeah. So I had no ideathis happened because so because there wasn't any
of the artwork. We usually watchedthe whole thing through because we're watching the

(02:04:30):
artwork. It was just in musicand I'm happy to sit there and listen
to the music. My kids arenot so much into that. They wanted
to get to something else that itwas kind of late and they wanted to
wind down. So my daughter endedup just turning it off midway through the
credits. Yes, because I hadto tell you because you're like what,
I'm like. God Ian text meand he was like, no, You've
got to go back through. Yeah, because she had no clue and I

(02:04:53):
was like yeah. And then shepassed forward it. She goes there was
nothing there. I'm like, areyou sure, Well, that's the thing.
It fast forwards so fast on DisneyPlus that it went. It just
skipped quit. You know, youwatched the thumbnail at the bottom of the
screen. It skipped right through.There was nothing. It just kept showing
black credits and I'm like, dude, there's nothing there. I just went
through. Yes, but luckily I'mlike, go go crack again, try

(02:05:18):
it again. Um. But yeah, so we see the bit Fortuna did
indeed survive the sail barge assault.Yeah, that was interesting, which makes
me wonder who else could have maybesurvived well and how did he take over,
like, because I would assume thatafter Java died, some other hut
in line took over. Well,there's a couple of things with that.

(02:05:40):
So first off, I want toknow who else survived with the saiebarg assault,
because I want Max Freebo to bealive, because we need mo we
need Morges. Oh my god,that's our first reference I think for this
season. Well, are the referenceof that in there somewhere and so uh

(02:06:03):
and the eu Bidportuna survived as well, and he went back to da was
Palace, and the palace was ransackedbecause everyone heard Java died, so it
was a free for all there.He ends up having his brain placed in
one of those but Omar Monk spiderof things, and then he like lives
out the rest of his days inthe palace basically, so I like that

(02:06:26):
they kind of took that and expandedupon it. I like that bid Portuna
is like fat now yes, andlike he has these long, disgusting nails.
I like that he has his stafffrom the original nineteen like eighty three
figure that we never saw him andhaving the movie, but the figure came
with it for some reason. Thatwas a cool little nod to that.
I think it's a douchey thing thathe has another twilight as a slave.

(02:06:48):
I'm like, that's your own people, sir, Yeah, he's that's your
people. He's not okay, there'snothing about okay. Uh. And but
the image is important for all ofus. It is, yeah, get
it, Like he's now he's selfappointed himself the main gang sterre now yeah
yes. Uh. Matthew would alsoportrayed Bib in episode one, so it's

(02:07:14):
not his first time playing him,right uh. And so it was great
seeing, you know, kind ofsome background characters. Chris knows my affinity
and love for this set, soI was having such a great time seeing
it. Um. I love thathe has his throne on top of job
is thrown yes with like the twolike rancour heads at the side of the

(02:07:35):
seats. Um. But yeah,I like that. You know, he's
talking to Boba and Boba's like,shut the fuck up and just shoots him
for one thing and kills him.Yeah, and I even like how Fenic
kind of does the um Princess Leiaintro down the steps. There's a blasters

(02:07:58):
as somebody you know, thrown tothe ground owned. I think all the
cues again, it is fan servicing, but it works. It works next
and it was delightful. Oh,I loved it. And then yeah,
you see Bobba walking down and uh, you know they're going to do boost

(02:08:22):
or something like that, like yeah, you know. Well, and then
it worked out very well. Bibbslike hey, I heard you were alive.
How are you, buddy, andthen just gets blasted into smithereens Nope,
he gets thrown off the throne andBobba sits promptly finn it gets like
a jar of god knows what andshe starts drinking it some alcohol. I
love that. That was that wasthe high point of that for me.

(02:08:45):
I want a statue of him ofthat shot. I want a statue exactly.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Andso he sits on the throne and
it cuts to black and then wesee uh, Barry James the Fete coming
to twenty twenty one. Ye ye, So does this mean this is going
to be what season three is aMandaloris of Mando or is this going to

(02:09:09):
be its own separate series because there'sa huge debate on it right now.
Yeah, And here's my argument forit it being part of the Mando series.
One, it's the same release stateas Mandalorian Chapter three that we've already
gotten December twenty twenty one. Okay. Two, they're calling it the Book
of Boba, and they've already calledall of the Mandalorian episodes chapters. So

(02:09:31):
this could be the Mandalorian season threethe Book of Boba. That's fair.
That's my argument for I could reallyspin off show. I don't know.
I don't know. I think thatthere's a lot of stuff not wrapped up
with Mando at the end of theseason finale, so like you know,
there's that doesn't mean he's never comingback, No, that's true, But

(02:09:54):
I I want it to be twoseparate series by the same time. I
can being the subtitle of season three. Yeah, and I don't have enough
information on that. Um, theinformation I got from my friend who's working
on it is it's its own show. But the way the way you can

(02:10:15):
read it is meaning it's its ownshow within the show. My belief is
it will be a separate kind ofmini series that then we'll do lots of
crossovers. So it's kind of likehow CW does its annual crossover d stuff.
Yeah. Yeah, so in thiscase, you're going to have potentially

(02:10:39):
h and so Fabro and the andFeloni are are kind of madman, but
our hats off to them, becauseyou're gonna have four shows, all contemporarily
contemporaneously placed that should somewhat intersect tobe Mainmando, Boba fettum Bocaton or rather
Ahsoka, and I figured that Bokatanwill will bounce between the Mando and Ahsoka

(02:11:05):
and the great. Yeah, it'sa lot. It's this is what we're
talking about. We say, likethe MCU of Star Wars, this is
how it how it starts. UmSo, I cannot wait because that means
Tamara Morrison's coming back as Boba Fett. That means that it's a good.
That means that probably Makenah wins andto come back as Finnick We're going to
see adventures from them, which isgreat Boba Fett. It's going to be

(02:11:26):
taking over the the Hut Hut spaceand Hut crime family basically. Um so
it's a it makes me very excited. And also it's gonna be a great
Christmas present. Yeah, it is. And I will go ahead and say,
just to play the note one lasttime. You know, Luke and
Han and Leiah are still out there, and this is an interesting arc then

(02:11:48):
for Boba Fett because technically he hasa bounty out on Han, or at
least they're not friends, and heknows that Hans now a general. Leia's
trying to organize a new republic,and the last time Lucan Bubba Fet met
up that wasn't exactly a peaceful meeting. So nope, Well I'm sure Luke
for dying for exactly and in theSarlac and all that so and that Han

(02:12:09):
hit him in the jet pack.So so these are a smoldering fires that
if they wanted to, they couldgive us a little more candy here and
there. I'm resigned to the factthat they won't. But it's out there.
Well, I mean, I neverin a thousand years thought they'd bring
Luke back on this show, right, and there you go. So that
being said, how do you guysrate the season finale? It did feel

(02:12:35):
a little bit. It felt premature, like I wish I wish we'd gotten
I wish we'd gotten more before wepulled Luke out. I really do.
But I'm not mad. I'm notmad about it. It just felt it
just felt too early. And Iknow a lot of people are arguing that
it's it's pure fan service. Thereis some fan service too, but it
also it just makes sense within thedeeper story that we've already gotten. He's

(02:13:00):
he's the main Jedi out there andthey were literally calling for a Jedi,
any Jedi to pick up the phone. So is it really surprising that it
was him that did it when hewe know he's out there looking right.
Oh, I think it makes sense. Right, So I'm on this episode,

(02:13:22):
right, So I was saying,I'm a compromise on this episode because
of Luke Um, but I we'llgo back to I think this really was
meant series finale, And I agreewith Chris. If this were the last
scene in season five, like fiveto seven seasons of Mando, I think
we've all been like, that's theway to do it is spike the football
in the end zone and we're out. Especially the way the elevator closes on

(02:13:46):
a kind of an inverse shot ofhow when Luke was brought to the Throne
Room and return the Jedi standing onthe right in this one. But it
was vader Um in Return of theJedi. So I mean, there were
just some great images here. Um. I will go in and say I
did not like the score part ofLuke's appearance because I it was a minor

(02:14:11):
key. It was a lot.I don't know too much our music theory,
but I mean it just it was. It was it was designed to
make us more nervous, and itwas like yeah, auto notes and but
it wasn't the soaring. If you'regoing to bring Luke back, I don't
necessarily need the full Luke, youknow do but you got to get me
more than what you did there.It didn't quite that part didn't quite work
for me then and Sons which wasperfect, but I needed more of that,

(02:14:37):
or repurpose the music from the ThroneRoom and return on the Jedi,
and I know they don't want tobe two on the note with with certain
music cues, but if you're bringingLuke back, you got to give me
more than nervous music for that segment. Um. But otherways, the episode
of said itself was fantastic, Andlike I said, I'm mostly compromised,
so it's at ten, but Irealize I'm objective enough. Yeah, for

(02:15:01):
me, it's a tenant of ten. I loved it. I personally liked
the music with Luke. I foundit, you know, daring because they
wanted to try something new. AndI still think that it worked because you
know, it's Luke's you know,not supposed to necessarily have a lot of
like heavy big music with him becausehe's not that character necessarily. He's he's

(02:15:24):
had it, you know a fewtimes, but not like you know Vaders
had it a lot, or youknow, Soaka has had it a lot,
or you know obi Wan. Evenso, I liked the music with
it. Um. Again, theseason finale it did. I can see
now where you're saying it seemed likea series finale shot. But tenanta ten
for me for sure, and especiallywith a stinger at the end. Again

(02:15:46):
ten of ten. In speaking ofwhich we mentioned this at the previous episode,
Chris and I, but the originalBoba Fette and you mentioned as well,
has passed away. Um, sowe are dedicating this whole episode to
Jeremy Bullock in because these three episodesfeature fat heavily in them. Chris said

(02:16:09):
that you guys that you both hadstories on him, So if you want
to share a quick story or twobefore we signed off for the season,
please go ahead. Yeah. So, um, some years ago, well,
I was both Lawrence and I wereworking an event. I believe it's
called Frank's. It's like this giantwarehouse of awesome pop culture memorabilia. Frank

(02:16:33):
Sons, that's it. Thank you. We were working, we were trooping
and I was actually a Stormtrooper thatday, and I was the only I
was the only woman there, sothey gave me a dressing room to dress
out to put the armor on,and the dressing room was already occupied by

(02:16:56):
the other person who needed their ownpersonal space, and that was Jeremy Bullock,
who oh yes, Sue was alsoappearing this event. At this event
in armor. He actually borrowed anotherfive of first members Boba Fett armor and
donned the armor for this event.So there's a group of five first people.

(02:17:18):
This was before the Mandalia ar namedMarks, which is another costuming group,
had really hit critical mass, andthere was a segment of five of
first members who who commissioned and gaveJeremy Bullock his own set of accurate Boba
fete armor. So he saw that, Yeah, he didn't have that with
him. So another member who wasa member of that construction crew had his

(02:17:41):
own set of um, you know, spot on authentically um replica armor and
provided that to Jeremy and they helpeddress him. Yeah, so it was
just it was just me and himin this room. Um. Absolutely lovely
English gentleman, just this very verysweet guy. Um. I helped him

(02:18:03):
put on a couple of pieces.He helped me put on a couple of
pieces. You know, he madea joke about how they certainly didn't make
stormtroopers like me in his day,and just really really really fantastically sweet man
and very very sad that he haspassed obviously, you know, he lived

(02:18:24):
a decently long life. Seems likeit was pretty fulfilling. I'm really hopeful
that he was able to see hischaracter returned to the screen. The screen
before he asked, that's my finalhope, but yeah, and I will
say a nice touch in the lasttwo episodes, I think I think it
was the last two episodes where umBubba Fett has the E three. At

(02:18:48):
first I was like, well,where's the E three? So he's fulled
back in that Germany book type appearance, which was unique blaster m And I
do think a lot of credit tothe image of Bubble Fat lies in those
I don't know whatever it is seveneight minutes from the eighties where he just
had that. That's swagger that hasformed and with the spurs that has formed

(02:19:13):
the image we have now. Yeah, that's absolutely that that ability to emote
behind armor that everybody has. Yeah, Lawrence, do you have any stories
on him or did you? Well, just the one I referenced it was
at celebration for I was actually aboutto make a purchase of some Bubble Fat
art of all things at one table. I not sure if it's classy for

(02:19:39):
me to identify the artist, MapBliss, but he had a guest come
up right while I was getting readyto purchase, and it's mister Bullet.
So he had a bunch of hset asides and of the art that he
had commissioned poster and you had Jeremysign it, and I had already commenced

(02:20:05):
to the purchase, and I said, well, I'll go ahead and take
one of those, and instantly theprice went up. But oh, of
course left the table. I hadnot done anything. I was right there,
and the price went up, andbefore even I could say anything,
Jeremy goes, no, no,he gets it at the same price.

(02:20:26):
That's awesome, so um, meaningthat I don't get the jack up.
You know, everybody else who comesafterwards they get they can get the high
right for the autograph, but notnot for me. And I was very
much touched by that. And Ican't remember, but I think I may
have still been in my Jedi Luketunic. So it literally was blah bla

(02:20:48):
fet in this case saving Luke.That's awesome. That's nice, an excellent,
an excellent, very nice man.I heard nothing but nice things about
him. So our our buckets areoff to you, Jeremy. Absolutely.
Um. So that wraps us uphere. That was a WorldWind of an

(02:21:09):
episode, real quick, Lawrence,Where can they? Where can our people
find you? On the social media'sI'm just on Twitter and it's at Lawrence,
Underscore, Green Grm. Chris,where can they find you? On
Twitter? I am the dirt WitchAnd on Instagram I am Chris Jaded,

(02:21:31):
And of course you can find meat House to Turner cosplay. On Instagram
and Facebook and Twitter, it's Iour Turner And don't forget our Twitter handle
is at Echo Station cast. Um, don't ever get to follow us,
subscribe all that good stuff because this, like we said before, this is
our winter finale. So we're goingon a brief winter break. Um,

(02:21:56):
we won't be back until twenty twentyone, probably very early February. We're
thinking somewhere around there. We willhave coming up next season. We will
have our final mini series of Padme'sCloset, we will have more species spotlights.
We're gonna have some special guests on. It's going to be a whirlwind

(02:22:18):
of a season. So we cannotwait to bring you guys new episodes.
But Chris and I definitely need amental health break from this to take you
Yes, so we can take twentytwenty out with our with a bang,
with our own resources instead of endingit with the show itself. So,

(02:22:41):
like I said, this is ourlast episode for a bit we'll be retweeting
stuff obviously, if big news happens, if something super huge happens, we'll
probably come back for a little specialepisode, but expect us around early early
February for for Exquitation to return.So until then, guys, have a
very happy holiday, have a safeholiday, have a very happy new year.

(02:23:05):
Bring nothing but good and positive vibesout for twenty twenty one, because
God knows what you need it,you're here and until next time, May
the Force be with you. Guys. Thanks again for being with us,
Lawrence, and may the Force bewith you. Thank you so much for
having me again, and truly Ihope everybody has a wonderful twenty twenty one

(02:23:26):
and we see each other back formore adventures than a galaxy far far away
made. The Force be with you,

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