The Mandafettso: The Marshal

Our mini series talking all about The Mandalorian is back in full force! Ian and Kris sit down with special guest Lawrence Green to talk all about The Mandalorian: Chapter 9 "The Marshal". We had Krayt Expectations for this episode..(see what we did there?) Spoilers abound if you haven't seen The Marshal yet, but we figured you knew that. So grab your Mando armor and lets go!

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Episode Transcript

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You're listening to the Heroes Podcast Network. Wellow out there, all you friendly

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Forced users, and welcome to anotherepisode of Echo Station Podcasts. I'm your
host, Chris, and I'm herewith my ever lovely coast Ian. Hello,
it's me Hi, and today weare back for another season of our
many episodes, I guess like amini series episodes of the Manifesto. And

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we have a special guests with ustoday, mister Lawrence Green. Hello everybody.
Yeah, he's zooming in all theway from sunny southern California. How
is it there? It's doing It'squite nice, actually, I mean,
you know what, the change ofthe time, everything kind of shut down
a little bit early, but stillwarm out here, so we're enjoying it

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for as long as we can.I imagine things are a little bit cooler
back where you guys are cold.Yeah, well yesterday was a beautiful,
but it's pretty cool now. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's
getting towards the wintry season. Soyeah, it didn't snow though it snowed
last week, so that was thatwas the thing. Yes, Uh so,
yes, Lawrence has joined us fromSunday, California, and we're very

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very happy to have him on asa guest to talk everything about the first
episode of Mandalorian season two. Beforewe do that, yes, before we
do that, though, we havea bit of Star Wars news. Um,
Chris, what do you have forus? Um? If you miss
it, you might want to checkout another There was a mini animation drop

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I'm forgetting what serious is called ianhellmel Galaxy of Adventures? Yes, Galaxy
Adventure mini drop of some nice Obiwan Kenobe mithos if you want to It's
very cute, yeah, cute littlewhat uh? Yeah, so give that
a get that a checkout. It'syou know, short little watch worth watching
and you'll learn some more about wangonna be It's it reminds me a lot

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of like, like, why isn'tthis like an actual like style of an
animated series that we're getting, Likewhy, kid, let's be a full
It's very cute, it's very welldone, an entire thing. Yeah,
and also can we get a fullo Wi one Kenobe series already? Not
until twenty twenty one supposedly. Yeah, not holding my breath and I'll keep

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my fingers crossed. Uh. Andthen other news wise, not a whole
lot is happening. Squadron's got aupdate where they dropped a bunch of Mandalorian
themed items for your starship, soyou can like a baby of the bubble
head inside of your cockpit, whichis really cute. That's great, and
like an ig unit, and likethe Razor Crest, like a little mini
Razor Crest and everything. It's reallycute. Uh. And then the EA

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has post a job listing and it'sfor I think an animator. So I
cannot remember exactly what the job listingwas for, but it said for work
on a new IP project and anew Star Wars game star Wars acting,
So that what is it? Did? I? Fall in Order two is

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going to be coming out? Wealready know that, and we know there's
going to be definitely a sequel forSquadrons because of how well it's done.
And Battlefront three is somewhere on thehorizon, So is it going to be
one of those games or is itgoing to be a completely new one?
I don't know. Be interesting ifthey decide to put out a completely new
property again and not continue with whatthey have right now, consider the last

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few things have been quite a bigsuccess. What would what would you want
to see Lawrence if it's a newgame. Well, um, I can't
remember her name, but there's avery well established game producer, and I'm
sorry, I'm just having mental blockon her name. And I know she
had a Star Wars game in developmentfor some time. I don't know if

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that was just frozen a few yearsago or if it's been you're talking about.
I think it got like dissolved.Okay, So whatever she was working
on, which I was understanding,was kind of be the resurrection of the
Great Thirteen thirteen from about ten yearsago, which was sally about the orson,

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which probably would have filled in thebackstory on you know, at least
Jango fet that. Most of thatmay now be paused because of where we
are with the Mandalorian. But ifwe had some sort of the Star Wars
city life, you know what itwas for for someone living in that universe
on a day to day who wasn'tyou know, a solo cowboy or an

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adventurer or a pilot something along thoselines. I think if that's where they're
going to kind of fill in thatspace and be very excited for something like
that. I agree. When theyreleased the trailer and the like small game
play footage that they got for thirteenthirteen. I was very excited for it.
Oh yeah, it looked really cool, and then Disney was like,
no, you can't have that,right, and it was beyond state of

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the art. It was testing onI think as I recalled systems that weren't
even mainstream then. So if theywere to do that kind of same approach
where they're going to really push theart and the horsepower of the machines,
especially because we're on the cusp ofnext gen machines, I think they would
have there on their hand. Iagree it was. It reminded me very

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much of like you know, therumors of you know, new game engines,
new effects and everything. Reminded mevery much of how they were advertising
the very first Force Unleashed game.Yes, like the physics of that game
and like the wood breaking into glassand everything was you know, real time
basically, and that was going tobe in this game, but amplified times
ten. Basically. It's what Iunderstood, right, And so if if

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it's something that's sort of the spiritualsuccessor of that, um, let's have
it. I mean. And whenI say let's have it, I know
we're talking two to three years.If they're hiring, you know, let's
have it, yes, um Christsomething similar like that. I mean I'm
always for really immersive role playing withum kind of excessive world building put in,

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you know. I we've talked aboutthis for I would love and if
it's if it happens to be withthe Old Republic, would be even better.
Um. I would love to havea sky Rim style Star Wars game.
Oh sure, m hmm, that'dbe very funny. Wish list top
of my wish list. I wouldlove it to be a new IP.

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But also, like I'm jonesing forBattlefront three. I mean I grew up
on the bower Front games. Actuallytoday they recent online that has been fifteen
years ago today that bower Front tothe original bow Front two was released.
Wow. Yeah, so we're recordingthis on the November. So fifteen years
ago today was battle Front two isrelease. So don't you feel old?

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Oh yeah? Uh? But sobattle Front three, I would love it.
I mean, if they integrate whatthey're doing with squadrons ship wise,
with the space combat in uh battleFront three, I think it's gonna make

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a lot of people happy. Yep. So they learned from their mistakes with
the first one soon, I shouldhope so well. And six second one
too. If I see one bitof like lootbox, I'm gonna flip my
shit. I'm convinced they got arocket docket right from Bob Iger's office after

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that went down and said and itjust had two words not again, period
and yeah you right, maybe fourit's not again, next line fix it
And that was it. And they'relike scramblings, going no, no,
no, no, no no nono, no, yeah exactly. I
I would hope they learned from theirmistakes, but like I said, we
don't know it. Also, likeI said, uh, Jedi night fallen

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Order two would be great because thatwas a fun game. Make a little
bit longer for who knows. Ohyeah, and of course it can be
people who pay because it's Star Wars. Yeah exactly. Um, but so
that does it for us news wise. Um, we're gonna take a very
quick break and then we're gonna haveLawrence talk about himself because you're probably wondering

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who the hell is this man?Who was his voice? So stay tuned,
guys, we'll be back in justa moment. And we're back uh
so, uh Chris and introduced Lawrenceto our our listeners. So sure so
Lawrence, like a way back.I have known Lawrence. I think I'm

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still teenager when I met you.Actually, that's really funny. Yeah.
At the Fashion Institute Design Merchandise Celebrationof All Costume Love in I'm going to
say two thousand and five or seven, something like that, there's a celebration
of all the costumes from all theStar Wars movies. It was a six

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month special event. Yeah, theDesign Merchandise in Los Angeles. I sure
remember what the Dressing a Galaxy exhibit. Thank you. That's it, Dressing
Galaxy, which is where I gotthe Bible, as we call it on
our show. Yes, the Trishare bigger, um giant hardcover coffee table
book of all the costumes from themovies that were featured in this beautiful exhibit.

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I thought we met before that,though, I thought we met at
that film the thing. Wait aminute, we did meets your right,
we met on the film thing.Right. Yeah, I'm embarrassed to say
I still have my Triser bigger booksin the original case pack, but mine
are so well used. It's that'seven more embarrassing. Yeah, well,
touche to you. Mine are justgiant memorials to Star Wars. But you're

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right. Actually was at a filmproject was being shot on the West Side,
um, and they needed dedicated StarWars fans to uh serve as both
primarily background actors, but a fewsmall minor roles in support of the main
cast. Yeah, and it wasit was like a spec kind of purposes

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when they were just first playing withthe idea of there being a live action
Star Wars excuse me, live actionStar Wars series. So we were basically
filming what would be a pilot,you know, they were gonna throw out
there and it ended up you know, going nowhere and it's just a fan
film and you can I'm pretty sureyou can probably still find online. But

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it was a lot of fun.It was a lot of fun and beautiful
sets act so yeah, absolutely gorgeousIMMERSI IMMERSI upsets, great town. They
put some great cgi into it.It was very cool and you know,
the story was cool, but yeah, I didn't get picked up. And
now here we are, many manyyears later, we have all a Star
Wars series dream has been realized,but we are not part of it.

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Yeah, well, I mean tothose guys credit you know they were bold.
They were trying to literally pitch anoriginal idea to make a Star Wars
live action shows. Chris said,But um, while that didn't work,
a beautiful friendship right out of Cassablancawas born, and who here we are
a full trilogy and show later likeit was just part of my Star Wars

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journey. Um, I go wayback with Star Wars. I won't say
how many of the original nine orthe Core nine I've seen in the theater
on original screening. I'm old school, um. And then I'm retired now
or semi tired. But I wasa member of the file first in the
Rebel Legion and done some work forLucasfilm in both official and unofficial capacities.

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And then, if you also wantto set your way back machine a little
ways on original G four because Gfour TV is coming back in some shapewayer
form. When they needed Star Warscharacters for some of their sketches, and
this was when G four had movedto Los Angeles because they originally started in

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San Francisco Tech TV. It wasmy phone that would ring and be like,
well, we need a couple ofstormtroopers. We need a vader.
So I've been in a fortunate andI've been able to help coordinate at least
back in the day the G fourStar Wars events and you can see me
in some of the old footage thatthey used to shoot. So I've had

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my my my love of Star Warsbasically since childhood all the way through now.
And I've been able to also kindof give back to the community UM
as well doing stuff on behalf ofthe official companies and then the other tie
ins to you know, show love, protect the brand and keep spreading the
Star Wars love. And I've donequite a few events UM in an official

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capacity is Luke and at charity events, UM, you know, events at
the Naval hospital that deals with childhoodintensive care unit. Those don't get quite
the the press courage that you know, the parade in cities get there just
um they're up there on priority forthe benefit to the public. And UM

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they provided me with a window intojust how much love there is for Star
Wars. UM. When I woulddress to represent ninety nine percent of time,
I was Luke. Well, I'malways Luke. It's either Luke and
armor or Jedi, Luke or Fatigues. Once in a blue moon it was
Luke and the Tattoin. But Ihad to really grow that. Somebody's mulled

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out for that one. That wasa funny, funny day. That Yeah,
great day. Yes, it wasbecause I put my lightsabers down in
one place and there was some therewas, as there always is in these
things, there's always personal drama inthe background. Well my life. I
put my lightsabers up vertically and asthe Force would have it, they slid
down perfectly and smashed the lenses outof our Darth Vader who had his helmet

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on the ground, and since hewas being a rather unkind individual, the
force saw its way to justice.Way. Yeah, but we had we
had a lot of fun of raisinga lot of money for a small comic
shop. Um and so um.You know, it's been it's been a
journey. Um. But I willsay, you know, at one of

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the Naval Institute um reunions, becausethat's what they had for for children that
survived very traumatic medical um experiences,there was one small young man there and
he his name was Luke. Buthe wanted to speak with Luke and he
had some severe signs of many ofthe procedures. He went under a lot

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of radiation burns and you know,he was losing his hair, but he
was active and you know, um, as I recall, I was actually
suiting out and they said, no, Luke wants to meet Luke. So
I got back into the gear,went out, spent some time, and
I found out some time later hehad fully recovered. And it's been it's

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been several years since then, butI hope he's still out there loving Star
Wars and has a pleasant memory fromthat. So that that was That's a
quick snapshot into some of the thingsthat I've done, um and the positive
side of being a star. Andyou know, you can always find something
to argue about, but it's it'spart of my experience in it is to

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bring a little joy where I can. So you said, you obviously work
for the five out first and rebelLegion. Is Luke like your favorite character
by chance? Or do you justlike would you have a resemblance to it
or what? It's both Luke.Growing up, I either wanted to be
Luke or not thinking things through asa kid. You know, the Stormtrooper

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armor was was really cool, butthen I'm like, oh wait, Luke
hoarse armor, so I can alwaysbe the good guy. In fact,
the only time I've ever played aquote unquote bad guy, and Chris helpting
with this was when we had todo promo outfits for Star Wars Galaxies and
they needed a bunch of us togo ahead and appear in different characters.

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And so about twelve people were theArmored Jedi and twelve of us who were
kind of this fifth acolyte armored character. But I always, well, I
was rolling my dice towards the light, so I was kind of hidden.
Um, I'll say, to Chris'scredit, literally, I think about seventeen
minutes before I had to leave toget on to uh set, she finished

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it and it rocked. Um,And yeah, they were I mean,
no underestimation. Chris stayed up untilat least four thirty in the morning,
and I had to be up atlike five thirty to start getting ready.
Um. But but so all Isay is, um, I'm not sure

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I look as much like Luke asother people think I look like Luke,
which is to say Mark Camell.But I've been very blessed, and there
is no other word for it.I do sometimes see what other people are
saying. I have actually been askedmore than I care to admit how many
times if I am Mark Camel praise, I mean, that's yeah, it's

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very you embody him. There's aI don't want to say swigger because it's
not like really the word that goesaround Luke, but there's just there's something
in the way you carry yourself thepresent, when you're suited up. It's
a presence that is very much it'sLuke. I thank you for that.
And it's funny. A friend ofmine has said, when I put on
the suit, it's like what Chrisis kind of alluding to. I walk

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different and I stand different. Sothe joke, well, that's because of
the boots, but he's like,no, it's something else. And the
one time that really made me realizehow I was making it come to life.
That wasn't for children, because that'sin many ways the most important.

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But the one time that it reallycame to life is I actually happened to
be standing and I think Chris waswith me on this time. It was
at Comic Con and we had beenputting in a full day of work there
and we were at a signing whereMark Hamill was but the folks came up
to me and asked, I'm sorry, are you Mark Camel And I'm like,
you know that there so you knowI've had some wonderful experiences like that.

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It's very flattering. Um. Itry to downplay it as much as
possible, because it's true. Iattest to this, you know it's It's
sometimes also kind of makes me nervousbecause I don't want to betray, you
know, the image that people haveof Luke. But I do my best.
And and Chris will attested one thingLike a lot of when you're in

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the costume commune, a lot ofpeople like to do that scene from the
original movie where the rebels are puttingtheir hands over their head. I do
not do that when I'm in characteras Luke. I'm like that there is
no footage of Luke walking down withhis hands behind his said prisoner type thing.
I'm like, that is a hardrule. Yeah, I think there
ever was Was there anything? Yeah? No, there isn't. So when

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people are like, I'm sorry,that is not in character, um,
and I think it it's it stoodme well because as I went higher and
higher, up in time in theFile First and the Rebel Legion in the
File First. Alvin Johnson was thefounder of the File First, said I
am the File First owned Jedi Luke, So that's why I kind of split
my time in both groups. Butum, you know, I started getting

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more and more permission from Lucasfilm.This is pre Disney and everything. It's
it's a different ball game now,where where the person in charge of the
time was like, you've got thisgoing and figure it out. You know,
I trust you to make the decisionof whether or not to do these
events. In my background, I'malso an attorney in real life. So
if if I flipped something to herand I said, hey, I think
there's a problem here, she'd belike, uh yeah, let's take a

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look at this. So they knewthat I was there to protect the brand
and be a good ambassador. Soit was very very flattering, very humbling.
Um, and I've had some funwith it. You know, there's
no there's no two ways about it. Um. For G four, I'm
always a store and Trooper because theydon't do too many you know needs for
face characters as we call it.But once something weird will happen and one

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time put me in a Captain kirkish. One of the producers looked at
me and said, man, theStar Wars people are going to hate you
because I actually looked like Captain kirkbecause of so, you know, I've
had a lot of fun with withit on both sides of it. Well,
you sound like you've lived a veryfulfilling Star Wars life. Um,

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we definitely want to have you onfor like a just a full like profile
episode of you basically, thank you, thank you so because we with the
stories that you have, Chris andI both agree that you can probably fill
out at least an hour, ifnot more of Oh yeah, there's a
costuming in Star Wars community. Ohyes, Um. And so this is

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our guest Lawrence. We will havehim shout out his social media handles later
on towards the end of the episode, but he's gonna be joining us for
our discussion of the Mandalorian Season twoepisode one, in my opinion, I
think the best episode so far ofthe whole series. But we'll get into

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in a minute. We're gonna takeanother quick little break and then we're going
to do a deep dive into theMandalorian. So stay tuned, guys.
All right, are you all readyto talk some mando? Let's do this.
So, first off, this episodewas directed and written by Jon Favreau,

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and it's clear. Yes, I'mvery happy that this season the reports
on the episode lengths are around betweenlike fifty and fifty five minutes instead of
like the thirty five to forty eightminutes that we got in season one.
It was a very satisfying time length. Yes, I it was like a

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basically a mini movie if it was, if I could say that very well
paced. So okay, Chris,how do you want to break this down?
Do you want to go find makethe very beginning? Do you want
to talk about our favorite moments?How do you want to do this?
Um? Kind of think? Uh, so we decided to watch um the

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closing episode from last season. We'vedecided to watch last season's finale. Oh
and then going to season and thengo into so UM, I do feel
like they they booke ended really well, m because the season closer um was
very somber. Um. Yeah,we lost um khlel week lost um Our

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I g our Our nurse Joid.You know it was um, it was
pretty it was pretty sad we learnedabout um uh Car's background being from Aldurans.
There were a lot of really darkmoments, you know, we thought
we were gonna thought the manna wasgonna die for a moment. Yep.
It was a dark episode. Andthis episode, I mean the fact that

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it was on tattowing. It wasliterally very bright. Happens when happens when
you've got two sons. It wasn'tthere, Yeah, I see what I
did there. It was just itwas very It was very lively and this
was absolutely to the core a spacecowboy movie. We yes, yes,
I love it. Timothy Elephant wasa dream. He was just a revelation.

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I love him. He's fantastic.I love him too, And he
was so he just fit into thisbizarre gun slinger Star Wars character just so
well. It fit in like aglove. It was perfect. So before
we hit the tattooing and the TimothyElephant stuff, let's go back because we
can't gloss over the fact that wesaw two Gomorian guards going at it and

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like a boxing arena. Was thatit was the best um I was.
I was just gonna I was gonnaadd to that. It gave the universe
depth that it obviously a show that'sabout something that doesn't exist. I mean,
it gives authenticity and think of abetter way to bring the love of

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Star Wars. I mean, weknow it's by Favreau, but it shows
that it's by a fan as well. That kind of authenticity is what I
think the fans crave and appreciate somuch. Because we haven't seen the Guards
since Return of the Jedi really andthey're there. They're they're literally guards for

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job, but they must exist,they must have other ones out there.
It's not just the three that wesee in the in the Throne room or
the room. So to see thatthey're, you know, the wrestlers of
that galaxy going at it, itwas refreshing and it gave that authenticity for
that world. Yeah, this episode, you know that someone did a lot
of research because there's also a lotof like expanded universe things that happened in

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this episode that you're like, oh, that wasn't Cannon before, but sure
as shit is now. Yep.And John, like Zama's character, was
also quite enjoyable to see. Ialways enjoy staring very heavily made up,
just very very alien type character witha lot of speaking lines. Yeah,

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he was fun. And so theGoryan Guards, let's talk about them real
quick, because when I was growingup, when I would watch Return of
the Jedi, they were always likethe funniest things to me for some reason,
because there were these giant green pigswith axes and like a first skirt
and like gladiator sandals, and italways made me tea. Yeah, well

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they look like something out of afantasy barbarian kind of world. They're ridiculous.
Yeah, But to see them likebasically stripped of everything and we get
to see these vibro axes actually goingat it, because we never saw that
in the movies. It's like theybasically hit each other and then there's like
a little force feeple I guess onthe weapon itself. We never got to

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see that. So to see thatactually happen was really cool because a vibro
actually does it vibrate? What isa vibro ax? What is that?
I don't get it? Yeah,and see how it reminded me of you
know, my favorite Star Wars gameof all time? Right? Oh,
yes, the very obscure Master ofthe Terrorists fighting game from the nineties on

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the PlayStation, you could be theGomorn Guard, so you oh could you
really? I did not know thatmy brother would offen. Yeah, it's
just that it took me back there. It was fantastic. So that really
is then I think a pull forthe fans of that game. And again

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that goes to a fan being thecreator and the driving force behind this,
and I think that's everything. Iagree. Um yeah, the whole fight
scene was great. I love whenhe takes out the little whistling darts or
whatever and the baby's just like peace, I'm gone, we don't I don't
need this, and they shuts himselfin the thing and the Mando just like

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kicks the pram just like I'm like, sir the yeah right, Um,
I thought it for me. Therewas the Zabrics in there too. If
he didn't notice that. I didn'tknow if you guys saw that or not,
but two of the people that hethrows knives Zabris. Yeah, so

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cool, little too bit there too. All that, and then the what
I'll call the reality of it justhe is such an intelligent character Dan that
when the guard, the surviving guardjumps out, he doesn't fight with it.
He just steps aside and let theguard knock himself out on the benches.
He it's the ground, and tome, that is that fits the

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character perfectly. It's like, Idon't need to waste my effort with this
guy. Yeah exactly. Um.I also like that he says that I'm
not going to kill you, butthen he kills him. Basically, yes,
that well, but he didn't.He left him to die. But
he's like, I'm that's very veryfine line. But I guess I'll like

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ask the lawyer about this. Yeah, he did say not by my own
hand, by my own hands.And when he said that, I thought
to myself, well, that's goingto be interesting exactly. And so I'm
I'm dying to know what those thingswere. Yeah, I don't know what
they I'm just gonna say like rabbit, Jawa was, I don't know,
jaw was like rabies, I don'tknow, but it reminded me of that

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old Vin Diesel movie, Um,Pitch black y. Yeah, it's like
that moment. I don't know,that was creepy. I don't know.
What's one of the movies that VenDiesel actually acts him? Yes, and
then and then there was a weirdChronicles of ridics that went I don't know
that whole thing was crazy. Yeahanyway, Yeah, so and then we

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find out tattooing, which again Chrisand I during our Mandalorian season two rumors,
we were like, a desert plantdoes not mean it's tattoin It would
be great if it was tattooing,but doesn't mean it's tattooing, And well
fuck us because it was tattooing.We always say this. We're like,
just because it's a desert planet,doesn't it's gonna be tattoed, And it
always ends up being TATTWOI. Yeah, well it's so funny, is you

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know. During the prequel era,people were like, oh my gosh,
is this such a small galaxy?Why do we keep going back to tattooing?
But now we're like, all right, we're going back to tattooed.
Let's bringing us. I think it'sbecause I mean, well, it's a
desert plant that doesn't like piss offfans as much. I don't think,
because now fans are like super pissedif you mentioned Jack who because of from

(30:52):
Someone's from there, and it's justlike shut up, yeah, stop it.
But yeah, it was very itwas really nice to see it.
Our our little what is what's hername? Le Plee Montou. Yes,
she's fantastic. I was glad tosee her role come about again. Uman

(31:15):
they had together. It is verycute well, and she was a lot
funnier in this episode than I thoughtin her original debut episode. Maybe it's
because of Fabreah's writing. I'm notquite sure, but she's like, you
know, how much for him?No, I'm kidding, but really how
much for him? I'm like thatmade me chuckle. That was very funny.
My um my daughter was watching itwith me because this is like her

(31:36):
favorite thing in the world, andshe mentions because she watches me play a
lot of Skyrim and fall Out andthings. She was like, this is
like a quest in PC because shekind of went off onto this little spiel
and it very much sounded like Iam now pooting you on a quest.
You're not right, And then whenthey bring up the map, it's literally

(31:57):
you're you're on the global map whereyou're trying to find your way points,
and then you got to set yourdeation. And I will say it's it's
really nice. It's not red Con, but it's nice still in the blanks
because we've heard about Mossespa and everybodyknows most sizely, now we have a
new city, because surely there hasto be more than two cities on Tattooed.
And the way she explained that it'ssort of a rumor and it's gone

(32:22):
now and haven't heard about it,it all fits as to why maybe it
wouldn't be on the top of everybody'svisit list in the original and equal trilogies.
No need to talk about it becausecity has basically been blown off the
face of the planet. Yeah,um, yeah, it's what's moss Pale?
What's it call again? Uh?Pelgo, I think pelo Okay,

(32:49):
Yeah, for some reason, mymind went to Placenta and I'm like,
that's not right, and don't saythat that's not moss Placenta. That's on
the dark side of tattooing. Yeah, bad guy. Actually, do we
just create a new bad guy?Oh my god, wait a minute.

(33:12):
Yeah, no, um, yeah, it was nice to see it not
take place in the sea that weknew it was a world building. Yes,
but we're here for word because honestly, like, besides moss Espa and
Moss Eisley I'm like, there's alot of sand, and I don't know
anything else really about the planet.But that's you know, yea, well,

(33:32):
it's nice to see, you know, kind of um circling back to
we were talking about the video gamesthat we'd like to see. It's nice
to see everyday store to people cominginto the Star Wars universe and you know,
seeing that the miners and how peoplejust go about their everyday life in
this galaxy and how they make aliving. I think that's one hundred percent
because you know, we know UncleOwen and at brew as Luke's caretakers,

(33:59):
but they farmers, you know,they have to do list every day and
whatever. So that story has closedout. But what about the other people
who just lived on the planet andtried to make their lives there, you
know, And well I didn't reallythink that because you know, obviously know
about moisturing moisture farming because that's thebig commodity at Tattooing, But I didn't

(34:21):
even think about mining because they havea bunch of mountains there. But I
didn't even think about mining as ajob on Tattooing. We'll see. I
figured that the moisture farmers were actuallyonly there to sustain the fact that people
had to live there to be usingsome other kind of commodity, some natural
resource, because you're not going tolive on a planet that you couldn't live

(34:42):
on unless you, you know,have to use all this technology to get
water, unless there's another reason tobe there in the first place, which
makes sense and also funny enough,my coworker I were talking and he said,
what if tattooing wasn't always tattooing?What if it was actually lush and
green and people just destroyed the planetand they had to leave, and then
it got reinhabited by you know,Tuscan raiders and then eventually the other inhabitants

(35:07):
and it was a desert planet.I'm like, that's a cool backstory if
that ever does happen, because that'sinteresting. Yeah, you know there's still
from there from thousands of years,yes, thousands of years. Yeah,
And I find that interesting too,because I've always wondered if they were in
fact um negative, I guess you'dsay native to the planet. Yeah,

(35:28):
some years ago, I did readsomething. I don't know if it's cannon,
but I think the Tuscans and Najawasare native and they just grew up
as two dominant uh bipeds over overlike whatever the natural habitat or i mean
natural um animal background is there,which would be like against that type of

(35:50):
thing. But um, but nowthat does leave open up the option to
say there could have been something beforethat if the reference is just for a
couple of thousand years. Yeah.Well, and we had asked, We
talked about the Jawas where they originatefrom on last season's episodes when um episode
Yeah yeah, and different planets.So I'm wondering, you know, like

(36:12):
they don't they're not space faring asfar as we know, So how do
they get to these of the planets? Where did they originate? Important Disney
Plus series, The Jawa, Yeah, exactly. Um. So basically,
you know, he's tasked to goout and uh, you know, find
this other Mandalorian and of course we'reall thinking who it's going to be,

(36:37):
like, it's not we're not there'sno question or mind who the hell is
going to be on tattooing. Um. So you know, he gets the
bar and questions about the Marshal,and sure enough we see this man in
Boba Fett's armor, which was Iloved I love that silhouette and the fact
that it fits him so poorly.Yeah, like the just pieces doesn't cover

(37:01):
like any of us chest hardly.It's like, that was great and you
know, it actually reminds me funnyenough. LaRence. You might remember this
that random pilot episode that we filmed. There were so this this pilot episode
also took place after Return of theJedi, so would have been kind of
like concurrent with the Mandalorian time wise, Um, and there were random mercenaries

(37:23):
who wore stormtrooper armor but it didn'tfit them out right, look just like
that, And it's totally reminds that'sfunny. Yeah, and I think the
again, the attention to detail thatFavreau put into it. So it's the
bulo fed armor. We recognize it, um, but you know, his
undertunic colors aren't right, and hiswalk is more I don't know how to

(37:46):
say it. It's Timothy Oliphant.You know, it's truly a law enforcement
type walk. It's not it's notthe Bobo fed walk. And we didn't
get the spurs per se. Iwas looking for those. We were hinted
at the spurs in the first seasonum, yes, and see episode five.

(38:07):
But but we didn't get the spurson this one, so you knew
it wasn't quite right. And thenthe fact that he just takes off the
helmet without even a moment's pause afterwe spend so much time learning that Mandos
don't take their helmet off. Soit was like, this is gonna be
a great reveal, and it reallyI can only imagine Mando's face when that
happens. I was like, Oh, he's not gonna like this, yeah,

(38:27):
because you can see when he takesoff the helmet, he's like walking
towards me, he walks back,He's like excuse me, yeah what and
it now beautiful face? Oh yes, But but we also know as the
as the audience obviously Nando doesn't knowthis, Um that Boa and Django weren't
really Mandalorians anyway. They took theirmasks off all the freaking time. Ye

(38:47):
true. And I mean, andso does you know Bokaton, so does
Sabine. So it's like, yeah, I'm still very confused on I'm still
very very confused about what is canonand what the Mandalorians actually are. I
agree, I feel like the Mandaloriansare also very confused about what they are.
That's fair. But let's talk aboutthe armor real quick, because clearly

(39:08):
it's been through some stuff. It'snot still like the green that we know.
It still has the hints of it, but there's a bunch of bite
marks in there, there's scratches,there's all kinds of stuff that's not necessarily
from blaster, where it's maybe frombeing eaten by something so digested. Yes,
so when you saw that armor forthe first time, did you honestly

(39:30):
think, oh, Boba must bealive or did you think that you know,
they got the armor some other way? I think in the context of
the reveal, because you have anew character wearing it, and because it
looks so beat up, I toldmyself, well, maybe they're saying maybe
maybe the press for the last coupleof months was kind of a faint and

(39:51):
so they're not going to reveal thatBoba Fett is still alive. And it's
just that his armor, for lackof a bit of phrase, and his
legend is still saying this guy wasdoing the legend a Boba fet and he
was going to marshal that, forlack of a better phrase, to his
advantage, to lay law and ordereddown. I'm very happy with how they
took it on its own angle,where he really is just a lone gunman

(40:15):
trying to do the right thing.But I have to say I started to
wonder if they were going to goahead and do a switch room and be
like, now you know what itreally isn't Boba fet We were just kind
of teasing that along. But hisarmor will be part of the show.
That's how I kind of find ittoo. So I kind of had a
moment where I did I ran thelogistics in my head about how the Jawas

(40:38):
could have gotten it, because Imean, we know the star like isn't
going anywhere. You know, it'sthe Peter Carcoon for a reason, Like
it's a place you go to,it doesn't move. So where would the
Jawas just randomly come upon this armorif it hadn't been removed from the pit
somehow. And I don't think thatthe Jawas are just you know, stick
in their long arms down in thestar like mold for let's let's see what

(41:00):
we can grab out. I justdon't think that's happening. No, for
me, it was like, well, the armor gotten out somehow, and
I'm going to assume that it eitherblasted its way out or it walked out,
you know, of its own accordingHowever, I kind of assumed that
maybe it got up chucked or something. I don't know thinbe it just got
thrown up because you know, armorsmay be hard to digest. I don't

(41:22):
know. Um, but so yeah, to me, the olive phant and
this was fantastic. I loved him. He was very funny too. It
was very good comedic timing. Yes, I liked. I was worried that
they were going to pull up.We want you to like this swaggery character,
but he's definitely going to be abad guy in the end. I'm

(41:44):
glad that they kept him, Likewith the previous bounty hunter that everyone thought
was a douchebag and no one exactly, Oh that's stupid douche bro Oh yeah,
like you're glad he's dead. Yeah, so glad he's dead. Um,
So we get a great shot ofwhatever this creature is that's underground.
It's a trimmer called Kevin Bacon,That's what I said. Yeah, and

(42:09):
this is our first time in Cannonseeing a crap dragon. Yes, how
fantastic is that? Because this isa creature we have heard so much talked
about. Well, we have thebig skeleton rather right, but even from
the skeleton, I mean I wouldhave never guessed the actual size of this

(42:29):
thing. Oh yeah, no,never, Um, And it's this huge,
you know. I guess it's moreof like a slug or worm rather
rather rather than a dragon that weknow with wings and legs and all that
stuff. It kind of remind itkind of reminded me though, I mean
facially was of the Game of ThrownDragons because of the horns and stuff.

(42:52):
I assume. Yeah. And well, and like the the one dragon that
Harry Potter ends up fighting, ohthe try with the tournament something something from
something or something yea unch back,very spiky looking, evil mean ones.
Ye yes, definitely read dragon tome. I agree, it definitely ran

(43:13):
dragon. I will say I wasgetting a little nervous We're gonna go full
Dune worm here, and I'm like, don't, don't, don't do that.
I'm not a huge Dune fan,I know, boo, but just
me. Um. But the waythey handled it I thought was fantastic.
And I agree with Chris said,there was definitely that armored dragon drogon type

(43:34):
omnipresence vibe to it. Yes.Um. So they go off and they
take off after this, uh thiscreature because Mando says, well, I
know how to you know, trackit down basically, and Mando is in
his speeder bike, which, bythe way, I love the practicality of
the speeder because the shots of himgoing through the streets or the street quote

(43:57):
unquote of the town, they don'tshow the full fan because you know,
it's like on a rig basically,and they're just pulling it along. Uh
So to see that happening is reallycool because that's like old school seventies you
know effects that with like Luke's Landspeederand stuff like that too. Yeah.
Absolutely, um. But coming upbehind them is Timothy Oliphant and a fucking

(44:19):
pod racer engine. That was awesome, basically saying, hey, mine's bigger.
I love I love that whole Isee your schwartz is as big as
mine, but actually mine's bigger.Kind of moment. Yes, that was
very funny, and everyone's freaking outbecause oh my god, Anakin's pod look
closer because it's very similar to Anakin'spod, but the markings aren't there.

(44:42):
The blue isn't there, and there'sa red thing on the pod that Anakin
did not have. Yeah, Iwasn't sure because you said that and I
thought maybe it was too, butI was. It's very close. It's
very close. But it has beenyou know, four decades in Star Wars
time, also one the Lunta,so it is possible, you know,

(45:04):
it could be his pod repurposed exactly. Definitely, think it's a visual easter
egg that they can being on howthey want to go in and do it.
Because I could see that that thatcore nacell, you know, from
one side of it was preserved orsold off, you know, once he
left the planet that was and whatever. Yeah, yeah, and then it
was repurposed and you know, becauseit was a hot rod, it did

(45:28):
make the same noise. So that'swhat it makes me think. Maybe it
is. But it's an outer rimdesert planet. You know that they're reusing
things and you know they don't havea ton of stuff. Absolutely, so
it makes sense and it really isa great callback for the prequel fans.
Yes, and it's it still isvery funny, how you know, Mando's
just zooming along and then just likelong oblong object is just coming behind it.

(45:52):
But it totally fits that character.Well, oh it does, you
know, is a bad as toit? Yes, the funniest thing they
metioned my side car to a podraiser engine and let me just zoom on
down, you know, and he'sletting him know that he's only keeping it
at quarter speed, so you know, he's taking it easy on him exactly.

(46:15):
I thought that was one of thegreatest things of the episode because that's
very funny. And by the way, can we just talk about the fact
that most, if not all ofthis is shot on that sound stage.
Yes, that's pretty crazy because it'sdown here in La near Manhattan Beach,
and it is phenomenal what they're ableto do in that combined area, Like

(46:37):
they went to Tunisia and shot there, like it's okay. So that's what
I was wondering. We were discussingthis while watching the episode if they had
gone back, because that would bemy thought, like, obviously you can't
go to you can't go to Tatuweand I go to Tunisia. But I
guess, I guess. You know, it's it was all basically shot on
a sound stage, maybe except forI think maybe the arena stuff in the

(46:59):
very beginning. Maybe that was anactual practical set they built. But everything
else, and like the bar obviouslyis a practical set for the most part
and everything, but most everything elseis all sound stage work with various rocks
and stuff paying in and then sandI assume on the floor for texture and
stuff like that. Yeah, surethat's incredible. Wow, but yeah it's

(47:21):
I mean, I'm just like whatlike, like I said, it has
that cinematic quality and that's because ofwhat's happening with uh at lucasfilm and with
that sound stage and everything. Um, so they get to where they're going,
and turns out that the Mandos andlistening to the help of the Tuscan
raiders, Yay, we can seemore Tuscan. We can see more of
their culture too, more of theirI love that we've humanized them. Yeah,

(47:45):
and I can see an slaughter them. Yeah, really serious. Obviously
this just builds the case against Anakin. Yeah, it doesn't help them at
all. So I had a laughbecause for years, a lot of members
of the Five will first. Sothe Tuscans are right now fit that is
on the final first side, becausewhere they've been wrongly made out to be
just pure villains. Um. Andso you know a lot of a lot

(48:08):
of the fans, their members haveTuscan outfits, and I'm like, they've
finally been redeemed because I couldn't understandthe allure to to and uh, they're
very complicated, very advanced outfits andincredibly claustrophobic and hot and I just couldn't
understand lure to have twenty thirty.Well, now they've been vindicated. So
I'm like, okay, I getit, absolutely, but these are now

(48:30):
fully realized people. You know,there's a population, there's communication, their
structure, there's integrity. Um.And to the producer's credit, I try
not to go ahead and read toomuch backstory, UM, so I can
come into and fresh. But oneof the actors who plays a Tuscan is
actually hearing impaired, and he developedtheir own language because one of the hearing

(48:54):
actors was saying, you know,to do this right, we should go
ahead and get a hearing impaired actorto give depth to how we're communicating.
So credit to the production team onthat. Absolutely I agree that not only
that, but also you know,Chris and I always say this, that
representation matters absolutely, and this isa huge monumental thing to be represented not

(49:17):
only for the deaf community, butto be represented in Star Wars. Absolutely
that's huge. I mean, yourepresented, like I said, in general
is great, but in something that'swatched by millions of people, in love
by millions of people, that's superjust great. Um. And I love
that you know, the Mandalorian issaying, you know, they were here

(49:38):
thousands of years before, they've studiedthese creatures. They you know, know
they're eating habits or they know they'resleeping at whatever it may be, and
you know, just let's trust themand let's see what they have to say.
And I thought fantastic stealth commentary aboutyou know, giving credit to indigenous
peoples who really know the land.And it's not all it's about the technology.

(50:01):
It's about communicating and taking the bestapproach and and maybe a UH an
expert who's local to the area mightjust be able to share something that you
know, an outsider may not knowexactly. And it's a you know,
it's a great life lesson to learntoo, so well, and I you

(50:22):
know, from an in universe perspective, I kind of hope that this opens
up relations between between the miners andyou know off original off worlders who are
now working on tatoween Um and livingon tatoween to to really actually come together
and vibe with the Tuscan raiders andyou know, have an alliance and chill,

(50:45):
but that they're been official to eachother and there's no reason to to
be, you know, having allthis animosity and just against each other constantly.
And I don't know, well,I mean, if you're right there.
I even like one of the hiddenpens at the beginning, or not
the beginning, but when they meetsyou know, Timothy Elephant, he doesn't
want to have the water that comesout of that sort of smoke yeah yeah,

(51:07):
fruit thing. But then at theend when they're facing the crate Jagon
and it's all other, he justcracks open and he takes a drink and
he's like, we're all in onit. Do you know. It's such
a that's such a realistic thing.I mean even um so, my my
background is the anthropology um and I'veworked in the field in many different countries,
and sharing a drink it's such auniversal cultural thing to to to bond

(51:30):
um for new people and to rejecta drink that has been offered to you,
and it's happened to me. Itis not cool and any it is.
It's incredibly offensive and and you know, I've seen I've seen students do
it. I've seen students who thoughtthey were better, you know, or
just being disgusted and you know,I guess who wasn't getting their research done?

(51:52):
Yeah, to take the damn drink. Yeah. Um, I really
did like that scene where the tuscanlight got like and rightfully so he got
pissed off. He's like, look, we're trying to, you know,
broke her piece here. The leashcould do is drink out of my black
gord. Yeah. The least Iwas thinking. See, I was thinking
it was going a different direction andthey were all gonna get high. Yeah,

(52:15):
yeah, that's yeah. Yeah,it's like, oh, they're chipping
on some tatoweene peyote. This isgood, right. All of a sudden,
you just like a snorting sound inthe background. You're like, oh,
no, exactly, that's absolutely whereI thought that was going. Although
I could see a definite need toget wound up if you're going up against
the great dragon, so sure thatYeah, it makes sense, and then

(52:37):
towards the end they all grew outlike a Carrie fish or coconail and then
they can just you know, ohJesus, get it all good. Um.
So, also, can we talkabout the fact that they had banthers
in this episode? Yes, yes, a lot, and they always marked
single file. They're so cute.Yeah, it's amazing that the detail,

(52:58):
like you know, and another directorcould have been like, Okay, we're
gonna put a band here and leftright, left right, it's like,
no, no, they go singlefile. That is no no. To
cover their trails. They gotta hidetheir numbers. Come on, guys.
Yeah. Yeah, And again theauthenticity, it makes it just feel that
much more grounded in the universe.And it's those kind of subtle callbacks too.

(53:21):
I know that George Lucas Wentz wasasked about, well, how come
the whole thing with band versus OBIone, and he very famously said,
continuities for whimps. But he cansay that, but the rest of us
we need that continuity. Continuity beauswalk single file. We need to have
the Tuscans putting the happy steak overits head and doing the roar. That's
kind of happy and all that.Um that's what makes Star Wars come alive.

(53:45):
Yeah, and I mean I lovedit the callback two Obi one can
ob originally using the crate dragon yellyes to scare away the Tuscan raiders.
So we know the absolute worst thingthat a Tuscan raider can encounter is there
dragon. They are terrified of it, and that is what will make them
run away. Yep. It's it'sa smart it's a smart decision to keep

(54:06):
that in there, and it makesit makes so much sense now for episode
four and everything. Um So,originally the banths were m an episode four,
they were elephants and covered in thatfur and the horns everything. These
bands looked smaller than what the originalones were in episode four obviously, so
I'm going to guess that it wasmaybe a horse of some kind. Maybe

(54:30):
I don't they weren't as big asthe other bantas like an episode four because
the Banths and there were elephant size. Maybe they're practical just complete builds.
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I was thinking maybe probably just a
artificial thing and then they would justkind of ceged in like the way the
narist would be on the dragon.You know. Yeah, well that was

(54:53):
fantastic. Cgi the five at firstbuilt a Bantha. There was a there
was a whole big project, thebanth Roche. I don't know, like
a decade ago, I can't remember. I mean it can be done.
Yeah, and I suppose they couldhave brought in one elephant and just modified
it. But to me, Iwill I'll agree with Chris. They looked

(55:15):
larger than a horse. But nowI see where you're coming from, maybe
smaller than an elephant. So I'mgoing to say that they might have just
been something done on set with youknow, various contraptions. Well and again,
well they were on a sound stage. Yeah, now that I know
that they're on a sound stage,they weren't out in the you know,
wild wild, so it would probablybe harder to have a bunch of elephants

(55:37):
on a sound stage, I agree, costume. But so yeah, they
get to like this open mouth wherethey said there's a starlac there and the
great we know a star eats everything, but we don't know what eats the
starlac until today. Uh. Thatreminds me of the Phantom Menace bit from

(55:59):
the Boo the Big Fish. There'salways there's always fish. But see,
this was another great callback because Iuntil untill this episode, I thought,
Okay, there's only one starlac,it's at the pitter carcoon. Yeah,
me too. Sarlac is just anotherwild animal out there, part of the
fauna, I guess. And uh, and then they die off too,

(56:21):
and then great dragons are kind oflike you know, crabs looking for a
new home and they just take overthe pit or something like that. And
you can so maybe the sarlacs aremore a rare species. Maybe they live
a really long time, so maybeyou know, that's why this particular one
is infamous for where it is.Maybe they have a large territory spot.

(56:42):
So there's only a handful of them. Well yeah, because it says the
digestion is over thousands of years,so yeah, so they are around for
a long time. Yeah, sothere's probably only you know, like a
dozen of them on the planet.Who knows, right, Um, But
then we get to see yeah,in full the Great Dragon and when it
comes out of that cave, likethe way the sand's coming off of it,

(57:07):
the way that it picked up theTuscan raider, I'm like, this
is all like, see, thisis beautiful. I loved it. It
was fantastic, very cool looking.That was very cool looking. I was
very surprised. I honestly did notexpect it to be that big. Just
the sheer normity of it was daunting, and it did feel like there was

(57:28):
actual danger. It was very enjoyable. The dragon had wait for lack of
a better phrase, and breathe whatyou said in at the very beginning that
the whole episode felt like a movieand that was absolutely you know, tier
one movie level LFL effects. Ohfor sure, I l am. I

(57:49):
mean they they made that seem asrealistic as anything could that you would watch
on a big screen, you know, debut cinema type experience. It wasn't
It wasn't like there were a fewepisodes of last season where I was I
kind of felt like, all right, we're going on a side quest.
Yeah, just felt like a wholething on its own, not just a

(58:13):
random side quest. Because we needto feel in an episode and make it
interesting. This felt very thought out. It did because even the the distructor
bolts you know, uh, orrather the disintegration bolts, the famous disintegration
rifle, had no effect on itbecause it's such a huge animal exactly makes
sense. How do you strategy?They couldn't just brute force it? Yes?

(58:37):
Um? And I like also wherehe goes back to the town saying,
hey, we found a solution.We can we can do this,
we can you know, defeat this, but you know that we're gonna have
to have help with the Tuscans.And the whole town just goes ape shit.
They're like, no, we don'twant their help with their you know,
savages and everything us very much theWestern xenophobic. Yeah, Texan town

(59:02):
and the wild West kind of thing. And he says a line that kind
of stayed with me was that,you know, they said that if you
help them kill this creature and theyget the basically goods from this creature,
that they will broke her peace withyour town and they will not raise a
blaster to you until you do itfirst. Yes, that very good line.

(59:27):
Until you do it first. Thatwas really stuck with me because I'm
like, yeah, because they're alllike idiots, and of course they're going
to fire on them first after thisthing, it's not gonna it wouldn't be
the Tuscan raiders. Yeah. AndI think they did the hidden pin there
and the poor shatting, you know, because when the one explosive was dropped,
the one guy completely has a disproportionatereaction. And then with the olifant

(59:52):
who not more than twenty minutes earlierwas skeptical, it's like, okay,
just relax, you know, itwas an accident. We're all in this
together. Sometimes you got to goahead and see what the greater good is.
And I will I agree with you. It had perfect shades of some
Corosala and some classic Ford Westerns whereyou know, the two sides have to
come together because there is a greaterthreat here. Yes, uh, And

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so they do come together. Theyplant the explosives that they have, which,
by the way, that town hasa ship ton of like explosives just
like laying at which is very funny. I'm like, for dining little town,
that's a little little disconcerting. It'slike two or three bant is full
of explosives, which means they're notworried about their mining. Yeah yeah,
well then now they're probably not gonnabe able to get their job done for

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a while. Well look, um, so you know they have a whole
plan. I love the Tusken Raiders. They're like uh, they're not crossbows,
but I don't know what they're calledtechnically. Um, yes, no,
no, the ones that like shootthe arrows the dragon slayer bolts,
yes, umos or not. Theywere like giant crossbows. Yes, yes,

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I love seeing that. That wasfantastic to see, notline Tuscans that
have you know, rifles and theirgaffy sticks, but they have these projectile
weapons that can you know, harpharpoon something. Yeah, it was fantastic.
Although, because the Game of Thronesis still in my head, I
was like, well, we knowhow this is gonna go exactly, Like,
really, are we going to shootdown the Rogan again? Exactly?

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Uh. So it turns out thattheir plan doesn't really go off that a
hitch. It doesn't really work forthe first part naturally of course. Um
and so uh Mando and um whatTimothy old fans character's name again, Cobb?
I think, yes, yeah,so Mando and Cobb they you know,

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fly up to go and shoot thecreature. And I don't know why
it gave me chills, but assoon as I heard Boba's jet pack,
like the sound classic sound, yeah, I was like yeah, yeah,
yeah, it was great. Um. And also I love the easter egg
that Mandoe says, protect the kidand he goes, what do you mean?

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And he hits the same side thatHan hits, yes, and launches
him up. That's true. Imissed that. I really connection Boba's jet
pack was faulty to begin with,but damn he see happens when you're not
a real Mandalorian needs to get thatship looked at. Well, you don't
have an armor to go back to. Now. It's also true we know

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what happens. But that was agreat, great call back to return the
Jedi because I'm like, is hehit and like when I rewatched that scene
from Jedi, I'm like, andthat's the same spot that he hit too.
And I will go and say,as kind of filling in the blanks
because I think Fabreau you know againas the fan that we all are working

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on it that lipping the dream.We finally get to see the range finder
in a live action show, notpoint in the end. Yes, I
know, yes, Sinder work dialin and then have his own Tony Stark
against the tank moment where he justfires it off in the distance and then
wham. Yeah, that was starmoment. It was very very iron man

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esque. That's a that's a goodcountent. That's a good comparison. Um.
Yeah, it was great to seethat because you never really see that
happen with Bob, but you onlysee it go down. You're like,
well, what the hell is helooking at? I don't know exactly.
I think you see it maybe likeonce in the Clone Wars, but it
kind of just like passes you by. I think Rex does it or something

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or Cody maybe. I don't know, but um yeah. So eventually they
blow up the dragon after many manytries, uh, and they're like harvesting
the meat. And I remembered inthe EU that the great dragon were very
valuable because they had pearls inside ofthem. Mhere that came from it was

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an EU thing from way back when. And sure enough, the Tuscirador pulls
out this giant ass pearl like thefucking Jawa was winning that goddamn egg.
And it's like, look, yeah, that's what my husband said. He
was like, oh, are weback to the Yeah, he SymbOS it
and it's like we have the pearl. Interesting. I was wondering what was

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up with the egg or the pearl. I thought it was an egg.
Also, I did think it wasa pearl, but I was wondering,
but I called it to me andin my mind it brought me back to
the egg from the second episode.Yes, and that was like, all
right, where are we going withthis? But if they cracked open and
start eating and I'm gonna be realpissed, Noah, I think it right,

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that's got to be the treasure.I didn't. I didn't think about
the EU connection. That's got tobe the treasure that they really wanted.
And and the rest of the groupwas very happy for you know, we
got the r R, so,I mean it was their their capstone for
though. I do want to knowthough, like do they trade that for
current? Like how do they?I wonder what they do with that?
If they worship it or something orwhat. Yeah, it's interesting. It's

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like a big necklace. I don'tknow. I don't know. It's very
it was very interesting. I wouldlike to know more because it was such
a quick moment, but I wasthinking about it after I had no idea
had a connection. And then,of course we can't end this episode without
talking about two things. One ofcourse, the return of Baby Yoda.
Yes, uh, because he hassome really cute moments in this. Um.

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I like when they put like themeat on the back of the speeder,
He's just like starting to pick atit, and man, it was
like, no, we'd know wecook first. And he had some really
cute you know, he was likein a saddle and everything. And um,
I did like yelped the screen atone point because I think when was
it both of them left the babyjust like by himself at one point.

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I know he's very cavalier with thisthing. Yeah, he just likes me,
very nervous and the baby is justlike sitting in the satchel. I'm
just like, wait, oh wait, who who was watching? Baby?
I also have one of those bags, and I'm pretty stoked that now I
know I can make one and carrymy little ball around. There you go,

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and so for you know, Icome out it a little bit different.
I I enjoyed the fact this isgonna sound weird. I enjoyed the
fact that for the premier of thisseason, Baby Yoda wasn't the fixture that
with the whole episode revolved around.I thought that was not the focal point.
I agree, yeah, exactly.It gave it some depth because if

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we're always doing a baby episode ofa Baby Yoda episode, and I do
love Baby Yoda, then I'm wonderingif we, you know, do too
much Baby Yoda. But by doingit this way, I just felt like,
you know, you hit the tonejust perfectly. And yet when the
big battle was going on, partof me was going, all right,
they keep coming back to Babyoda's arewe're gonna have a little force, uh,

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you know impact on the battle.Do the hand things, do the
hand thing, Yeah, do thehand thing exactly. But we didn't go
there, and so I was like, no, no, you hit it
just right, just because we'll geta lot of Baby Yoda for the remaining
episodes. But say, this isthe journey, this is the past.
Yeah, well it was nice todo it's about him ultimately, because they

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would be there if it wasn't.They weren't searching for his people, but
it wasn't about him exactly. Yeah, And so Timothy Oliphant gives him back
the armor and says, you know, just make sure you tell you people
that I had not fuck this up. This already came to me like this,
I was. I was kind ofsurprised that he ended up making him

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give it back still, because Ialmost felt like, now that he's seen
that he's a good person, thathe's literally there to protect these people,
to help him, that he wouldleave the armor with him so that you
could better protect these people. Iassume that he's gonna maybe modify it himself,
or he'll take it to maybe thearmor when we see her again and
be like, hey, what's thissee that'd be interesting because maybe she has

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maybe she has the floor in sightDango and Bob. So I think now
that Boba knows his armor is backin the wild, because obviously Boba's alive
and has been. He has hadthe armor all this time, so he
That's how I'm reading it, Sohe's been passively allowing it to serve a
purpose. I think Boba is,for lack of a better phrase, reformed,

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but he's still Boba. So I'mcurious to see where this goes.
I think eventually we will get thepayoff which we've all wanted for years,
where maybe not for a couple ofepisodes maybe, or not until next season,
but somehow I have a feeling thatBoba Fatt will live and fly again
in totality, you know, he'llput the armor back on. So let's
talk about that for a second.So the episode ends, of course with

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a mysterious bald figure looking at theMando taking you know, going away,
and turns around and sure enough itis to Mary Morrison minus the eyebrows,
and he shaved the eyebrows. Iyelled at my screen, A woted too.

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Um. I yelled, holy shit. And I had to apologize because
they were children present. I didthat as well, but I didn't apologize
because no children around me. Sowhen this happened, I was like,
oh, my fucking God, likethis is so since the Turn of the
Jedi. He has technically been deadthis whole time because when Disney bought it.
When Disney you know, purchased it, they red conned all the EU

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and the EU. He came backin the comics and whatnot. But when
with Disney purchasing Star Wars, theywas still dead for this whole time.
No matter how many of the fansyou know, crying and whine about it,
he was still dead. You know, This past Friday solidifies that Boba
Fette is alive and that is nowCannon and you know, a bunch of

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fan boys when they saw that theyjust got like just like the biggest hard
on for Boba Fette and just wasgoing nuts. Well and I think it
was a fan I still don't getbut whatever, Well, and I think
it's a reviewal that. And youknow, who's to say that Cobb's backstory
on how he got the armor istrue? We might be having a touch
of the joker here, spending adifferent story to being on who his audience

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is, right, but um,and like I said, I just have
this feeling that that Bubefit knows wherethe armor has been because if he's the
marshal of the town, that wordkind of gets out. And didn't seem
that Bubbofet was too far away fromthe town. Yeah, I think also
Buefit. They're trying to show thatit's not the it's not the person we

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we've grown up with, for lackof a better phrase, because you know,
it's true, he's not a fullMando. He is, however,
the only natural slash perfect clone ofhis father. He has a different perspective,
um, but he's carrying a gaffystick and a long rifle. He
unless I missed it, he doesnot have his E three and the Marshal
doesn't have it, so he's notthe same guy. I didn't see it.

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It could he also was wearing aponto, so it could be under
there. I'm not quite sure truetrue, But so my theory on this
whole thing is that, yes,he's alive. So does this mean that
he will be trying to track downhis armor now? So he will be
kind of a shadow on the Mandalorianthis whole entire season and we'll get a

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bigger reveal towards the season finale orseason three, because you don't bring back
a character like this and then justnot showing the rest of the season.
You just don't do that. Sohe has to be somewhere else in this
season. So I'm thinking he kindof just as a shadow and just kind
of follows him from, you know, location to location until finally he's like,

(01:11:35):
give me that back. Yeah.Well, so I was wondering.
I was thinking, did he knowabout the Marshal? Has he been keeping
tabs on that or has he beenkeeping tabs on other things? Like does
he you know, if nobody knowswho he is, he can easily travel
in and out of the various mosses. Know, I'm sure he's got maybe
he's got some feelers out in mossEisley And here comes Mando and he's asking

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about other Mandalorians. And that's akeyword that maybe he's had people in his
network, Yeah, have as atip off and be like, you know,
it's it's a Google alert if somebody'sasking about Mandalorians, I want to
know. Yeah, Well, andhe may he may be doing the Clint
Eastwood, you know, lone gunmanwho goes from town to town to help

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people. The marshals there permanently,but he may be down town. Let's
face it, Blafet's out of ajob. His employer, job of the
Hut, died five years earlier.His mark Han Solo is now a rebel
general and hero of the rebellion andhis best but ut I, who kind
of screwed things up for you know, early on. So he doesn't have

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the empire to employ him. Hedoesn't have the empire, so he might
just be like you know what thatthat that career path not working out too
well. So he may just bedoing the man with no name approach,
which would bid in I think withthe Western theme. Um. And also
you know big fan the right agefor that kind of homage, and it
just kind of fits because I comeback again, we had the spurs in

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season one and only Boba, whereasthe spurs and the way he walks,
it's just menacing and yet a statementall at once of like I'm in control,
let me assess this and well,And so Chris and I are talking
in our Mandalorian season two rumor thatlucasfilm never confirmed to Marion Morrison that we

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never saw him in any trailers.So we told ourselves that we are not
believing this until we see it onscreen. The same thing of the Soca,
same thing with the Bokaton, samething with Sabine if she's in this,
all this stuff. So when wesaw Tamaran Warrison as Boba Fette on
the screen, we're both like,well, fuck, are these other rumors
actually going to be true. Ithink it's a great point, and he's

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the story arc form. Boba cango anywhere, and I think that's what's
so beautiful, and it will goahead, and I believe you've interact with
Din and the Baby Yoda effects orright there the Baby Yoda arc and will
affect us all as we go forward, because you know, Bobo was very
smart and he fought against the umwell, I guess he fought against the

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nascent rebellion, so he knows aboutYoda. I mean, there are a
lot of moving parts here when yougo and bring him as well. Yes,
would you want to see Boba continueon the path the person personality past
they laid out for him in theoriginal series in the prequels, or do

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you want to see your redeemed um. So I want to see him actually
do something because here's the thing.He hasn't done jack shit like people,
and he's dumb guy. He hegot the fast, he's basically you know,
the FAsMA before FAsMA. He didn'tget through a whole lot. And

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I would love to see him actuallydo something. I mean, I still
don't get how people just like absolutelyfaun and love over this character when he
doesn't do anything because' and that's that'sthe only reason, basically, And so
I would like to actually see himdo something. I want to see him,
you know, speak more, Iguess, And I want to see

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him actually, you know, bethe Boba Fette that we may have heard
of in the past, but maybedoing it for things other than himself maybe
doing things for good. Yeah,I think I'm feeling an unforgiven vibe here.
Again, Clint East would pull butit's one of those things where he's
going to come out of retirement.I think we will get it some payoff

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to see why he was the legendthat he was. I agree, And
so that wraps up the episode.Basically, that's it the end. So
I have a question for you too, How do you think the rest of
the season is going to play out? And how do you think this season
will end? I want to hearpredictions now. Cool, this is a

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big opener. Yeah, it'll behard to h It'll be hard to keep
this up this pace, you know, because like if I had to,
if I have to give it anumber, this is a ten out of
ten episode for me. Agreed,Definitely one of the best. Um,
very very well done, well executed. Where's it going from here? Well,
you know, it's hard for meto wrestle with all the rumors you

(01:16:28):
know about um certain actors leaving andnot being in the show for a very
long So I don't I really don'tknow. I would love to see I
would love to see Asoka, justbecause I've been a Soca fangirl um.
But again, we know we haveissues with the actress who may have been
tapped to play Asoka, so there'sconflicting thoughts there. I don't know.

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I honestly don't know where I feelthis is going. I'm gonna agreed ten
out of ten. It lacked fornothing, even the music, hues and
sound effects, as you alluded toearlier. I can't appreciate it enough.
I do think we'll see Asoka.I even am beginning to winner if General

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Harrow will make a cameo if nothingelse. I'm just getting some some vibe
off of that because she's in Squadrons. But I will say I think I'm
not sure if we're looking at abuddy cop type thing, but I think
a lot of Boba FET. Idon't think you bring something so shocking to

(01:17:38):
the audience and then you don't payon it. So I don't expect it
to, like, like I said, to be a buddy cop film for
five of the episodes. But Ithink we're gonna have a lot more interaction,
and that's where I think Asoka comesin because she's had to deal with
fet essentially on the other side ofit. You know, competing arcs back

(01:17:58):
in the day in the anime showsand all that. So I think there
will become an inflection point where likeall the different threads are going to come
together. How it will ultimately endand say, episodes eight, nine,
ten, no way of knowing,but I think we are looking at some
sort of big payoff here. Iagree. So I think it's gonna again
ten and a ten For me,I think it's gonna end with moffa Gideon

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kind of how they ended with aseason one because we still haven't seen any
of the trailers or anything like that. But I think he's gonna be towards
the end because of Historian with adark saber and everything. I think also
we will see Asoka at the veryend, because I'm gonna if this was
tattooing, I'm gonna place a betnow then that that ice planet that we

(01:18:40):
saw is going to be Illam andI'm gonna say that he takes baby Yoda
there. And the last shot thatwe see is a hooded Ahsoka and she
walks out of the cave or wesee her in some respect and she says,
you know, a line or twoor whatever. I think that's how
the season's going to end. Imean, I guess if for whatever reason,

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he can't get him to whatever theYoda species is, if he can't
get into those people, the nextbest step would be getting him to the
Jedi. Yeah, absolutely, andwhich that's sort of the path. Yeah.
Yeah. And Luke is unknown Jedi, and there's a few others,
but really it's you know, Lukeand Ahsoga. So at this time at
least, and I guess Lea andI do want to add one thing,

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I you know, in the sameway that I thought it was well done
not to have it all about Babyoda. I'm glad that we didn't. Didn't
we didn't open up. I'm sorry, just to jump back one second on
more about the Dark Saber. Ithought it was awesome. Let's let's yeah,
the world keeps moving on. Wedon't know why else is happening there.
We'll get that, you know,in the coming season or a coming
episode. So that was very welldone. Uh So that about wraps us

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up here, guys. Um.It was a lot of talk about but
we're so happy that we did.Um real quick, don't forget to follow
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year. Exactly. Yes, we'regoing to apologize ahead of time because our
episode releases Wednesday, and that happensto be the day after the US elections,
So if we don't have our usualpep and our step that is why.
So we're gonna apologize right now forthat. Um so real quick,

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Lawrence, thank you so much forcoming on the show. Thank you for
having me. I really really enjoyedit, and it's always good to go
in and talk Star Wars with fellowfans. Yeah, thank you. We've
been We've been meaning to have Lawrenceon for months now. Yeah, thank
you. I'm anytime. I ammore than willing. So just you know,
send out the Jedi signal. Wewill, um so real quick.
Where can people follow you on socialmedia? If you are on social media?

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That is basically I'm only on Twitter, it's at Lawrence Underscore Green.
I will go in and say,kind of hooking back to what you just
said, maybe maybe wait until afterthe election. Is mostly it's uh election
stuff right now, so not toomuch Star Wars talk, although every now

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saw what they saw, you know, the the arc of Din and where
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(01:22:48):
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