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All right, ellis send, I'ma back another a dish. How we
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doing out there? Good? GreatGray Yane day Yan day yan puke as
you see on your screen your dial. However, you're choosing to join us
today. I know the cast andcrew appreciates you. Me probably not so
much. Why because I don't havea guest done today, So you know
that means can't stand doing this show. But you know, as I've told
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you before, there's films that comealong that I just I know a lot
of you that listen to the show. I would say about half of you
that listened to the show probably neverheard of it. And that's where I
come in, babe. So yousee right there, Blackout Blackout? So
what is blackout? A small townartist? Charlie is a tortured man who's
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drinking binges blur with his sneaking suspicionthat he might be a I'm not going
to say that. I'm gonna saya monster. I'm not going to say
what it really says. I'm justgonna say he's a monster, because you
know, especially if I'm by myself, I'm not There's gonna be very little
spoilers. I'll tell you a coupleof things that I like, couple things
to look for, and then wemove on. Bet Charlie distances himself from
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those he loves and sinks deeper intosolitude as his flashes of memory of his
grizzly nighttime acts manifests themselves through hisartwork. Listen, Larry Fessenden is if
you run in the circles that Irun in, he is a treasure,
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you know, much like Roger Cormanwho just passed away yesterday. Rip Roger
Corman. I I don't and Ithink a lot of people would say this.
I don't know, and maybe I'msure Larry Larry Fessenden, writer director
of Blackout, would too. There'sa lot of us that wouldn't be in
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the film game if it weren't forRoger Corman. That's those are just the
facts, you know, Geer Moodel Toro, There's the list is too
long for me to go into it. But coming off the heels of Roger
Corman passing away and this being asmall film that I wanted to talk to
talk to you all about, Ifeel the two go hand in hand together,
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and I'm going to do some ofmy favorite Roger Corman films in the
coming future. But you're gonna inthe in the coming weeks and months.
You're just gonna have to wait forthat because I think I got about five
shows coming up that you guys therereally going to enjoy. So anyway,
Blackout, let's get back to whodoes Blackout star? Blackout is starring Alex
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Hurt, which is the son ofYes that Hurt, That Hurt Alex prior
to this. What I love aboutAlex is he's reminds me of kind of
like old school actor, Like notonly within the film, but you can't
find him anywhere online either, Likeif you want to talk to him,
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you're going directly through his pr repsand everything. But Alex has been in
Bonding mignon New Amsterdam, which wasa series The Good Fight, also a
series before the World Set on FireBillions. He's been around and obviously son
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of that Hurt, son of WilliamHurt. You know, I'd like to
get him on the show. AndI promise you, Alex, I will
not bring up your father at all. That's how I do, you know,
kind of like when I had Cronenberg'sson, didn't mention his dad.
Why because we're not talking about him. God damn it. So who else
do we got in this film?I was so happy to see Addison Timlin
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show up. She is the beatingthe beating hot in a very unsung horror
film called Odd Thomas with Rest inPeace Anton Yelkin. That still bums me
out. I really loved Anton Yelkin. But Odd Thomas she was in and
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provides, Oh man, she hitsyou in the fields with that one,
and guess what does the exact samefucking thing in this one. So Addison,
like I said, has been anOdd Thomas derailed fallen stand up guys
recently American horror stories. But shewas also in Fess and Den's twenty nineteen
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piece called Depraved, which I willtouch on that briefly. So for all
of you that have seen Fest andDens Depraved, you need to see this
film as well. And that's allI'm gonna tell you, cause come on
now, if you know what depravesabout, will oh eh. It was
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good to see also Rego Garay inthis. I'm sure I'm probably saying it
wrong, but we talked about Regobriefly when I had writer, director and
star from the leech on here andguess who Rego played in the Leech Rego.
But in this one, I gottasay, you know, for someone
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who's relatively new, you know,even though he's been on Law and Order,
just like Bit Rolls, Law andOrder, Cut and Run, Chrome,
Catch a Cup of Blue Bloods,he's got a very patient and controlled
approach with his acting. And it'snot something that you see a lot with
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quite a few of the younger actors, not that it doesn't exist, you
know, it's just and it's noteven these younger actors faults. It's like,
sometimes I get kind of annoyed whenwe go after people like Timothy Shama,
Lama ding Dong or whoever, whichinitially I was just like, if
we're using Timothy as an example,I was like, great, another white,
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high cheek boned, fucking emo kid. And then you know, I
don't believe in guilty pleasures, Soif you impress me, you impress me
and we call it a day.And Timothy managed to do that. But
again we're talking, you know,one in a million, and people forget,
like, how statistically, how theodds are stacked against you in terms
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of acting in a film, letalone, headlining film. But back to
what I was about to say isI don't shit on some of these younger
actors, you know, because oftheir poor acting. I think acting is
all about life experience for the mostpart, not to say that there isn't
nuances in there that you can't implementinto your character or whatever that you don't
necessarily have to have lived X amountof years to perform it properly. However,
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you know there if let's say,for Rigo's role in Blackout, I
thought you did a good job,but I think about someone whom they may
have used instead, and I don'tknow that it would have turned out all
that well because you have to haveexperienced some pain. Gang. You have
to experience some pain before you canreally let loose with your acting, I
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would argue, but I mean,what the fuck do I know? We
also got Barbara Crampton, who's inthis, and Barbara Crampton is a whoreror
fucking legend, reanimator from Beyond whatElse We Are Still Here, the creep
Show TV show. She was alsoChannel zero dead NIGHTMA Tales of Halloween.
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We Are Still Here already said thatthe Lords of Salem, you know what
I'm gonna got Castle freak. Whatelse do we got? Puppet Master chopping
mall and chopping mall? So classic? Reanimator is obviously the best, though
one of the not only not onlythe best of hers, but arguably one
of the best horror films of allthe times. Lovecraft Babe. Who else
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was in here? Oh? Thatcan't be? Is that right? I
don't know, because one of myfavorite parts of it. But why are
they showing the guy from Entourage onthe IMDP IMDb page? That's why I
hate IMDb Anyway, Motel Jim Foster, who I believe played the black dude,
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the voice of reason in this film, who was also so fucking good
in term of adding another emotional layerto this film. Something you got to
know about Fess and Den and hebesides the fact that you know he does
very small DIY independent horror films,his attention to characters I think is equal
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to, if not more so than, the horror elements. And you could
make the argument it's no different thanthis one. But I thought Mattel really
kind of like the rug and bigLebowski tied the room together? Did it
not? Did it not? Anyway? Who else do we got. I
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wanted to talk about Will Bates,who did the score for Blackout. Will
Bates has done immaculate dumb money Mayfair, which is I origins, Hamna,
Hamna, I'm gonna devil in Ohio. Oh. He also did fire Cry
six. That's cool, that's cool, but adding another very eerie but beating
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hot to the score. Beating hotto the score. The look of this
film. We were graced with ColinBrazy doing the cinematography on this and I
thought it looked great. I thinkone of my favorite things that is happening
more and more with independent films thesedays is the look of them. Clearly,
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Like there was a decade there wherea lot of independent films you could
tell people, you know, we'reeither you know, getting practice on their
phones and then you know, tryingto implement that sort of thing into say
their short film or feature film orwhatever. And I'm here to tell you
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it showed. It showed. ButI think now, because you know,
not to sound top forty hits,it making the top forty hits here we
got shown, you know. Butlike I just think people are getting better
now that they've you know, they'vehad a phone in their hand since birth,
and that phone has a camera onit that's better than it was the
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year before, and certainly better thanit was ten years before. And I
think people are finally starting to gethip to composition of shots as opposed to
I'm just gonna let the fucking cameraroll. And for all you aspiring filmmakers
out there, it's fine to letthe camera roll, context pending, you
know, Like I just talked toFrancis GALOOPI and we were talking, yes,
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not Galupy Galoopy. That asshole mademe wait a hour before he told
me it was really I'm just kidding, Francis, if you're listening to this,
But I felt so stupid. Sowhat do we do when we feel
stupid? We lash out because I'ma toxic male, piece of shit,
piece of garbage. It's not Francis'sfault at all. I probably should have
done my homework, but I getscared doing my homework. I don't I
don't want to do that. Well, that that whole interview came together just
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fucking shooting from the hip, cameout of nowhere and kind of had a
twenty four hour turnaround on watching thefilm and doing research on it. But
I always get nervous about doing researchbefore the film, of course, because
as you guys all know, Idon't watch fucking trailers, but definitely after
the film as well. I geta little nervous if I know that I'm
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going to get on the mic,because I don't necessarily want to be saying
shit that people have already said.So that's just what happened with the Francis
interview. Is I just I gotsome basse points that I wanted to talk
about and I didn't really and untilthis show gives me dental gang. Until
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then this show cleans up my teeth. Eh. Kind of tough getting all
fired up about doing some fucking researchfor fucking you know, people that don't
give a shit. Calm down,calm down, shout. Anyway, where
was I I think Colin Brazy Yeahmade this film look so fucking Oh.
I know it was talk about justpeople getting used to not that Colin's one
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of these people, but it's actuallyjust been refreshing with a lot of the
indie films that I've seen over thelast couple of years. Because it finally
starts to it's it's it's starting tofeel like people are knowing what they're doing.
If we're excluding any tried and truecinematographers out there, but a lot
of like first time cinematographers, andnot that Colin is one. But you
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know, I think he's His creditsonly go back a decade or so,
which in the comment, well,I guess two decades. But in the
context of every like in film,like I don't know, twenty years,
maybe a lot to me may notbe a lot to someone else. But
anyway, Larry Fessend and my boywriter director, you know, producer of
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House of the Devil did when toGo Steakly, he was in Steakland.
I feel like we just include himin because everybody loves him. Like I
said, Roger Corman type types stuff. Oh I didn't know he did the
radio voice and Killer of Flower Moon. That's amazing. But he's he's basically
like when you ever, like youwatch a film, he is such a
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character actor that you always do,oh he's that guy, like he really
I would say, he embodies quoteunquote that guy when you see him on
screen. What else was he in? Oh, The Dead Don't Die?
Yep, that's right, he wasn'tthat fucking love The Dead Don't Die,
criminally underrated Jim Jarmusch film, butjust so many credits under his belt.
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The steak Lander, which I believeis steak Land too, arguably one of
my favorite vampire films of all time. Ooh, the Mind's Eye, which
we don't talk about. We arestill here a night of the woof so
much good shit on his what wherewe are? What we are? Oh?
Man? Oh he's only playing anextra bit anyway. Larry Fessenden much
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like Roger Corman. God, he'sa god. I we all if you're
in the horror c I mean,just go to his IMDb and look at
his picture. I mean it's atleast for me, you should be like
shocker Sean likes him. Yeah,yeah, I fucking do. I love
people like that is my type ofpeople. So I'm gonna be reading a
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little bit from the Roger Ebert reviewon Blackout because, as I've said before,
uh, sometimes people have a knackto say things better than me.
So because I'm not very good atthis, I'm terrible at this unless I
unless I have time. The onlytime I am average at this show,
I'm not even gonna say good.The only time that I'm average at this
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show is if I'm doing an interviewwith a writer, director, actor,
actress, cinematographer, whatever, andI have like three days to prepare,
then the show's okay, the show'sworthwhile. But times like these, I
just I want you. I don'tgive a shit if you listen to the
show. I just want you tosee the post and go, oh,
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Blackout? What's that well shown?So we should watch it? So we
should watch it anyway? The RogerDibert review. If actors often make for
compelling directors, then why not characteractors? Larry Fessenden is a great quote
unquote that guy character actor. Whatdid I say that guy? See?
I'm reading this for the first time. I have no idea what Simon Abrams
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is going to say about Blackout,but I trust Roger Adibert dot com so
much. At least for the mostpart, it falls in line with my
views and how I've felt about aparticular picture. Anyway, is a great
that guy character actor, and hiswork stands out in a range of genre
movies that are mostly horror. Fessenden'salso the producer and sometimes writer director behind
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Glass Eye Picks. Rich catalog ofAmerican indie horror movies. Fessenden's Blackout,
a blank not gonna say it ablank psychodrama showcases his usual attention to performance
and character driven details. That complimentmay seem surprising, giving that we're talking
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about a low budget monster movie wherethe lead and a few supporting cast members
deliver amateurish performances. I disagree.I disagree. I thought their performances were
above amateurists. Sorry amateurish, SorrySimon, but that's just how I feel.
Everybody's character in a Larry Fessenden moviewith their own quirks, limitations,
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and entanglements. We only get tosee so much of that in Blackout,
and imperfect but often worthwhile adaptation ofFessenden's own audio drama of Glass Eyes tails
from Beyond the Pale, which isa radio drama style of horror films.
I love that, you know what, I should fucking check that out.
But as you know, your boylistens to I'm just I'm so media fucking
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driven across the board, books,movies, you know, music, art.
I just but I think I definitelyI love audio plays. Audio books
are fine. I just lost abunch of fans. I didn't say that
they were bad. Remember, thingsare. Things are allowed to be fine,
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Gang, Why does everything need tobe fucking awesome or fucking terrible and
nothing in between? Shut up anyway. Audio books are fine, But I
really love audio plays, I reallydo, especially if we get some good
sound effects in there. And shitanyway. The audio play version of Blackout
was a B movie size sketch aboutCharlie, a desperate loaner who tries to
get his affairs in order before hereluctantly transforms into a blank. Damn it,
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I think transforms good. I meanit could be a host of monsters,
couldn't it. You know, you'lljust have to wait and see.
But I think actually the cover orposter art for all of this pretty much
gives it away. But it's fine. I'm just gonna keep saying blank.
And now the movie blank, ma'amjust popped in my head. Damon,
Wayne's blank? Man, I amI have problems, Gang, There's something
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wrong with my brain anyway, Adesperate loner who tries to get his affairs
in order before he reluctantly transforms intoa ha blank. The movie adaptation has
more plot, some of which istoo generic to be necessary? Yeah,
kind of, But whatever happened?Why do we always need cutting edge filmmaking,
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cutting edge storytelling? Why stories?Normal story tropes, generic story tropes
are there for a reason. Andgiven the subject matter of this, I
certainly wouldn't poo poo or talk negativelyabout which is. And again it could
just be me my interpretation of it. But to say too generic to be
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necessary, I don't know. Ifeel like not everything needs to be smash
cuts and fucking. There's a timeand a place for that. But for
this, since to me it's seventypercent drama thirty percent whore, you know,
give or take on those numbers alittle bit. I want the camera
to run long. I want someof the scenes to run a little long
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so that there's more fucking character building. That means more to me, gang
And now there's a time and aplace for it. Not always. You
know, you may hear me onthe next show or a month from now
bitching about it, but you knowthere's there's a time and a place.
But to say too generic to benecessary, eh, that's kind of a
dick move. The new Blackout alsofeatures several standout moments and a po Edgar
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Allen, a poh like air ofmelancholy dread that Fessenden fans are probably already
familiar with. Yes we are,but we don't mind it because the way
I look at this film, theit's it's about a half man, half
monster and it's all heart baby.I know that sounds like a top forty
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headline, but fuck you. Atleast I didn't go, oh, it's
tarantino esque. Yeah. Anyway,Ass and Denz, they're probably already familiar
with the melancholy and dread tone.Blackout is nothing new or even essential.
I disagree. I think it isessential. I think it is great for
aspiring filmmakers to see this movie.I really, do you know? A
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gun to my head? Simon fromRoger I don't know why I said that.
All condescending, Simon. I'm sureyou're probably a good guy. Apologize,
but what would you rather watch?Blackout or Wolf with Jack Nicholson?
One has money, one doesn't.I'm telling you, I'm picking Blackout every
single fucking time. So to callit even essential, So movies just shouldn't
be made because they don't fit yourparticular criteria of interests. That's That's why
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I always watch movies that I wouldnormally that you know, I'm more of
a action horror drama guy, youknow, but I always I push myself,
you know. Is there a goodtime to watch what's it? Wim
Wenders? Perfect Days? No,but sometimes you just got to push play,
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which, by the way, PerfectDays was an amazing film if you
guys haven't seen it. Oh,the acting top fucking notch. And I
always think a film where virtually nothinghappens and yet feels the way that that
did film, that's a fucking accomplishmentanyway. Blackout Trails After Doomed Charlie Barrett
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played by Alex Hurt, a welllike drunk who also happens to be a
Charlie knows he's a l oh Man. This is full of spoil that Charlie
knows he's a blank and wants tokill himself before he can kill more in
its shit. Well, let's justlet it ride, you know what,
I'm just gonna that's if you've stuckthrough it this far. Blackout Trails After
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doom Charlie Barrett, a well likedrunk who also happens to be a werewolf.
Charlie knows he's like in Thrope andwants to kill himself before he can
kill more innocent bystanders. Charlie wandersaround the exurban town of Talbot Falls.
Get it, Dad Talbot was whatwas Lon Cheney's name when he played The
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Wherewolf Lawrence Talbot? Hmm, Ilove Larry Fessenden. Talbot falls in a
cold, sweat touching base with anumber of people that he wants to square
up with, mostly people either wantsto avoid or doesn't want to get into
a deep conversation with, like nosybut well meaning Pastor Francis played by John
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Spiridocos John Spiradakos, from whom Charliebum's ride or the crotchety real estate developer
Jack Hammond played by Marshall Bell,with whom Charlie keeps butting heads with.
There's also Sharon Hammlon. Sharon Hammonplayed by Addison Timlin. Oh I love
Addison so much, Charlie's worried exand Jack's strange daughter. She sees other
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people which other people expertly cast JoeSwamberg. Meanwhile, the police search for
whoever is responsible for a series ofrandom murders civic minded cop Alice played by
La ray Peck and her skeptical partnerLewis Joseph Castillo Midyette. By the way,
those two cops perfect. I lovehow everything is very down played,
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fucking love it. Skeptical partner Lewisspot some animal fur at one of the
crime scenes. Oh, they chatabout the German concept of umveldt umveldt or
a self centered world umveldt where everybodyis limited by their own individual perspective.
To see, we got some deepnessgoing on here. We ain't just talking
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about Moida. You hear me,Gang, We're not just talking about Moida.
This's a to this story. Thisstandout conversation explained some things about the
plot of Blackout, as well asFessenden's priorities as a filmmaker. What does
Simon say, I wish there wasa lot more of this sort of dorm
room philosophisizing, philosophizing philosophizing in Blackout. I should have my throat cut.
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Charlie's meandering trajectory is sometimes frustrating,though not because of his aimlessness. If
anything, Blackout doesn't ramble far enoughinto the low fi psychedelia and macab lyricism
that Fesseneden excels at. Because Charliedoes not have productive conversations sometimes even with
the people whose company he enjoys,I disagree. Like Miguel Rego played by
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Rego Garret, I thought the conversationswith Migul were great. In fact,
I felt that's where we started tobuild meaning relationships with that with Charlie anyway,
Like Miguel, a family man who'salso falsely accused by Jack of Charlie's
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crimes, or Earl played by MotelJim Foster, a chatty loaner who makes
silver bullets for Charlie, which Ijust love, Like, I wish I
had a friend like that. MaybeI'm confessing too much, but I wish
I had a friend like that.Hey, I need you to make some
silver bullets. No fucking questions asked. I do not have a friend like
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that. They would ask why,and ultimately, even if I gave them
a good reason why, they stillwouldn't fucking make them for him for me
anyway, Earl's a chatty loner whomakes silver makes silver bullets for Charlie at
his request. Fesson Den's pointed dialoguedoesn't always sound right coming out of the
actor's mouths, but it provides awelcome pretext for the movie's best, largely
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conversation driven scenes. I think moreoften than not it works. I really
do, Simon, I do.If anything, Blackout is weakest when it's
most conventional, conventional, dutiful trailingafter Charlie as the body count increases.
I don't agree with that, soI'm not gonna continue reading. I don't
agree with that. This I don'tmind. You can see fesson Den's obvious
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affection for bit players like platitudes,slinging Pastor Francis, or even tough talking
barfly Bob played by Kevin Corrigan,who I tried to get on the show
before I watched this, and hewas probably insulted that I asked him to
come on the show, as heis not in it very long. But
I like Kevin Corrigan, so heasked him to come on. The latter
who wants to fight underpaid Mexican migrantworkers and paraphrases Winston Churchill when he's three
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sheets to the wind all the time. In this, Kevin does that these
guys also represent Talbot falls an Americanevery town named oh Man, named after
Lon Cheney Junior's beloved universal monster.If there's anything essential from essential missing from
Blackout, it's more umveldt oh.Maybe The movie's atmospheric opening scene provides a
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perfect example. A young couple playedby who Cares. You can see why
Fessenden likes these and other supporting characters, even if his reasons don't always translate
smoothly into a creature feature. Idon't want it to translate smoothly to a
creature feature all the time. Idon't. Sometimes I want it to feel
disjointed. Sometimes I want it tofeel disjointed, like what's going on in
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Charlie's mind, you know where itfeels like a fucking fever dream. He's
tripping balls at times, like isthis really fucking happening to me? And
guess what. That's not comfortable,that's not seamless, that's not smooth,
And I don't want it to be. Yeah, his monster looks and sounds
good, but it's not really special, as Fessenden's movies often are. I
disagree. If anything, Blackout iscursed by its director's well earned reputation for
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going farther afield and with more poeticwhimsy than most. Fessenden's latest has a
lot to recommend it, but notenough to fully satisfied disagree. I just
think you need to be a horrorfan to not you know, what I
was about to say was about tobe fucking stupid. I was gonna say
you need to be a horror fanto fully appreciate that. No, we
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just all have different views gang andI thought that this one was worth every
second of my time. People forgetlike, especially if you you know,
want to touch upon Lon Chaney Junior'swolf Man, Like, think about story
wise, how those films were,you know, pretty fucking basic in terms
of you know, act one,act two, act three, how we're
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doing Like, it's pretty fucking basic. And I don't know why all the
time we ask for more just becauseit's in twenty four. And here's the
thing, I'm a hypocritic just asmuch as anyone else. There may be
a movie where I'm just like,oh, I wanted more. I know
for a fact, I've said thaton the show before. But it's context
pending, Like you have to takeall the traits about a movie like this.
It's di y. It's India,it's small, blah blah blah,
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and you have to take that intoconsideration before you compare it to like a
big budget film, which is whatI think a lot of critics fall victim
to, not all of them,but a lot of them. You know.
Let's read some of what the criticshave to say about it. Robert
from the La Times says, theIndia the idiosyncratic earnestness of an experienced hormeister
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playing with the classic still for asubstantial midnight stack. I could not agree
more. What do we get?It's so funny. I'm looking at Rotten
Tomatoes and Simon, who I justread their article from from Roger Ebert actually
comes in fresh, but I hateit when stuff comes in fresh. But
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it sounds like you're taking a digbecause the headline for Simon's if you look
around Tomatoes, blackout is nothing newor even essential, but it mostly works
anyway thanks to Festenden and his cast'simpressive collaboration. What else we got?
Let's see what bloody disgusting? SaidMegan from Bloody Disgusting. Those expecting a
more straightforward, conventional werewolf movie won'tfind it here. Instead, festen Den
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offers a veritable, funny, sometimessluggish, yet pointant slice of life with
a violent and bloody hohoretwist. Andactually that's where I'm gonna leave it at
because Megan couldn't have said it anybetter. This is why I look to
other people to give me all theperspective, all the voices, because that
is about is in terms of myview on it is about as perfect understanding
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of the film that you can get. So Blackout is available to stream now.
Gang available available to stream now.I think you can rent it for
like six bucks on fan Dang orsomething, So no fucking excuses. I
am pissed that I didn't get achance to see this in the fucking theater,
but hey, sometimes shit happens.Gang, Blackout streaming now, streaming
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now. Ellis Cinema got a lotof shows around the corner for you,
Gang, and I am not superstoked. Eli Cinema weeko