May 12, 2025 • 51 mins
In this electrifying episode, we sit down with lyrical powerhouse Jon Connor and rising star Tootsie The Rapper to talk about their bold and genre-blending joint album, Twin Flames (2025). The duo opens up about the inspiration behind the project, how their distinct styles sparked creative chemistry, and much more.
Listeners get a behind-the-scenes look at the collaborative process—from late-night studio sessions to philosophical debates on hip-hop’s evolution. Connor reflects on his journey from Flint to the global stage, while Tootsie shares how she's carving out her own lane with authenticity and raw emotion. Together, they break down key tracks, the symbolism of duality in their music, and how Twin Flames represents more than just a partnership—it’s a cultural statement.
Listeners get a behind-the-scenes look at the collaborative process—from late-night studio sessions to philosophical debates on hip-hop’s evolution. Connor reflects on his journey from Flint to the global stage, while Tootsie shares how she's carving out her own lane with authenticity and raw emotion. Together, they break down key tracks, the symbolism of duality in their music, and how Twin Flames represents more than just a partnership—it’s a cultural statement.
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Speaker 1 (00:44):
All right, Ellis send him a back another dish. How
are we doing out there? Good? Great Gray Yan Yan
wonderful as you see on your screen, your dial. However
you are choosing to join us today, we all appreciate you.
So Twin Flames, Twin Flame has been waiting to talk
about this one for almost a month now. I was
pestering a couple people involved in this call right now
(01:05):
to get them on there. I'm glad that they were
graciously have agreed to spend some time with us today. So,
twin Flames, it's an album gang, It's an album. I
know we're shifting from the movies, but like all art
matters to me, all of it. It's very important to me.
I'm not a track guy. I'm an album guy, as
I was telling one of our guests earlier today. So
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twin Flames, it's a searing, soul stirring hip hop album
that fuses raw lyricism, introspective storytelling, and unapologetic energy, helmed
by two fiery voices in the game, John Conner, the
lyrical juggernaut from Flint, Michigan, and Toutsi the Rapper, the
rising powerhouse from northern California. Together they craft a dynamic
(01:45):
and deeply resonant project that not only showcases their individual strengths,
but also underscores the rare chemistry between them. Chemistry is
hard to find these days. Gang two artists who ignite
each other's creative flames with every track. The album opens
up with the urgent and anthemic Everybody Woke, which is
a call to consciousness that balances righteous anger with sharp intellect.
(02:09):
Intellect over thunderous production. John Connor delivers razor sharp bars
steeped in political insight, while Tutsi brings that West Coast
flare laced with fiery urgency and clarity. It sets the
tone for an album unafraid to tackle weighty themes while
remaining rhythmically electric. Are You Down is another one of
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the tracks. It slows things down to a little sultry
melodic groove. Silky vocals elevate the track into R and
B infuse territory, creating a lush backdrop for Tutsi and
Connor to explore themes of loyalty, love, and emotional resilience.
It's a standout moment that reveals the duo's range beyond
bars and bravado and then we move on to Shut
(02:52):
it Down, one of my favorites on the album. The
energy surges right back into the ear drums. We got
blistering confidence with unmatched swagger both MC's trading versus like
heavyweights in the ring. Tutsi's cadence is precise in commanding,
while Connor's relentless delivery hits like a freight train. This
duo is at their most fearless on this track. And
(03:15):
then we roll on to Marvelous, which is exactly what
the title promises, a triumphant celebration of self worth, survival,
and artistic excellence. It's a moment of glow up glory,
powered by a beat that feels both cinematic and celebratory.
Their voices carry stories of struggle and perseverance, but with
a tone of victory that resonates long after that beat fades.
(03:36):
We move on to Sunday, offers a soulful interlude, reflective,
gospel tinged piece with the captures the spiritual and emotional
pulse of the album. It's a moment of peace amidst
the storm, where both rappers dig deep into personal battles
and the healing that comes from faith, family, and self
reflection onto what they talk and flips the script with
some gritty defiance. Tootsy takes the lead here with bite,
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wit and unapologetic presence, while John reinforces the message with
his signature firebrand intensity. Together they dismantle critics, haters, and
doubters in one of the most hard hitting moments on
the record, and then we close it down with the
bonus track Give Me That, a bold yet infectious close
closer that begins blends hunger with swagger. The chemistry is electric,
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the verses are hungry, and the hook is built for
replay value. It's a perfect finale and one that leaves
listeners craving for more, while solidifying Twin Flames as an
unforgettable body of work. I said it unforgettable. You're from Flynn.
I'll say it to your face. Twin Flames is more
than an album. It's a meeting of minds, styles, and souls.
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John brings his legacy of lyrical depth and social consciousness,
while Tutsi emerges as a commanding force with a voice
that demands to be heard. Together, they deliver a body
work that's both cohesive, compelling, and undeniably powerful, burning bright
with autits off, authenticity, ambition, and artistry. Ladies and gentlemen
(05:04):
joining the show. TUTSI the rapper for the first time
ever on the Elli Cinema podcast, and John Connor, how
are we doing? Guys?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I feel like we gotta give you a romblog dog
for that intro.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That was crazy, That was bro that was amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Thank you, Thank you for that, uh that intro man
like straight up man, so that anybody who hasn't heard
the project, thank you for giving them a heads up
to what it's all about. We've I appreciate being here
and Tusy what I oh.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Man, we don't have we don't have audio TOUTSI I'm
asking to unmute you.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Oh what's up? What's up there?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Thank you so much? That was like an amazing intro.
I felt honored.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I'm honored to be here, and I appreciate you for
having us on here.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
This is amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Absolutely absolutely. I so John's been on the Shore Show before.
We may bounce around a little bit here, but I
do have to ask some softball questions. I do apologize.
I have to ask what inspired Twin Flames Gang? Does
it reflect your personal or creative creative chemistry. Where did
twin Flames come to be?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Does you want to take it? Or how you want
to do it?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
However, he can start off out, I'll jump in.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
A well, Okay, I heard her music and I thought
she was just amazing and dope. I felt like her
voice was one that is definitely needed as far as
females and hip hop. I think that she brings something
different to the table and it inspired me. And we
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started going back and forth and doing records together. And
the more we did it and the more we went
back and forth, it was like, yo, we should do
a project together, and she was down with it. So
that's kind of where it started off at, where it
was like we both rocked with each other's music just
as admirers and fans of each other's work. And then
like as we started to create and do features with
(07:07):
each other, it was like, well, why not let's just
do an album and then from there to see y'all.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Will let you take it from there?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, And then from there we I just booked a flight.
I think I was just like, let's get this going,
like you know, and I was so serious about it
to the point where he was like, Okay, he's too
serious about it, so we're really finna do this. But
I feel like are in general as artists and creatives
and I think just human beings. I felt like it
(07:34):
was just a dope connection of dope energy with us
sending those verses back and forth to each other, and
it's like even with I'm a fan of his music,
just like as much as he's a fan of mine,
and uh yeah, I just felt like what I knew.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
If we were to do something together, that it would
be something that was just unstoppable and dope. So yeah,
that's how.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It came about.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
So who called who first? Who called who first?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I don't remember, Tissy, do you remember?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I just remember us saying.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
We kept saying we need to work on something, and
I think you were like, hey, I have this track
which is.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Give me that. Actually I think that was the first
one you sent me.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, You're like, I got this track, I'm working on
hop on this. You know, if you're interested, let's do it.
And so then I remember going to the studio and
I sent it back to you and you know, and
I was it and then we just started swapping back
and forth from there.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, I tracked I definitely can't remember who called who first.
I just remember it was a lot of text thing
going on back and forth.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And then, like Tissy said, in this little it's like
a documentary style piece that's on both of our Instagram
pages that kind of tells the story of how twin
Flames came to be, and she said in there, which.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Is the truth.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Every time we were in the text message, every time
we were in the text message, we would put the
two little twin flame heart emojis, like there would be
two little flaming hearts at the end of them.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
And then I remember saying to her, like, yo, that
should be the name of the album.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Album it should be twin Flames. But it shouldn't say
twin Flames. It should just be the heart the flaming hearts.
And she was like, Yo, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Man. Like she said after that, like she booked the
flight and.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It was on, So you booked that flight. You sit down?
Is there now, are you guys bouncing back and forth
a central message? Is there something that you're sitting down
and you want to convey to the audience, or it's
just like, hey, yo, we got bars.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
This is raw energy, raw bars, raw creativity.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
When the first time we worked on the first track together.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Which is everybody woke, literally just found the beat that
we both were feeling, found the words. Like every time
he would say something, I was it was really a
back and forth.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Thing, just like it is, you know, delivered.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So yeah, I definitely agree, like it was just.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And I said too in another interview that I give
to see all of the credit for that, because I
tend to be a bit of an overthinker when I
make projects, like as far as like sequencing and how
long it should be, and like she came with the
energy of let's just go with the vibes of what
we feeling in that moment. It'll be what it's supposed
to be, and let's put it out. Let's share it
(10:18):
the way we feel about the music, like right, how
we feel right now, let's share it with the world.
And I appreciate it, tousye, I appreciate you for that, yeah,
because yeah, yeah, So like after we did Everybody Woke,
like we just kept you know, riding that wave of Okay,
let's just keep going the way we felt what everybody woke.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
It's like, let's use that as you know, our lets
as that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yes, absolutely, let's use that as our foundation going forward. Like,
if we don't feel about a beat the way we
feel about everybody woke, then we ain't gonna do it.
If we feel excited about it, let's do it. Let's
record it. That's it, let's move on, let's put it out.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
So that was pretty much from my perspective.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I was never overthinking for me. I like to Like
I was telling you before when I hopped on, I said,
I like to go with the flow of things, you know,
because he was asking me, what time are we gonna do?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You got and I said, we're here however long it goes.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, I'm with John, I'm a mess. Like this ship.
This ship never stops that no matter what, it just
never stops. I'm always always concocting and always trying to
think of do this that or the other thing. So
then I assume by the way everybody woke, I think
I speak for everyone. You guys melted our faces, like
I like the first time I heard that, Like I
was like, oh, all right, and that's coming up. John,
(11:37):
You're slaying right now, bro, Like it's every week, every
week you got Food for the Soul, then you come
Twin Flames, and now you're just releasing signal uh singles.
And I can tell you when everybody woke it, I
was just like, Yo, this man's crazy, this man, this
is out of control. How much lyricism he's putting out.
So is that like the idea, like everybody's woke, We're
(11:58):
just gonna flatline him real quick before we get into
the rest of the album.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Pretty much, man, pretty much, pretty much. You just said it.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I wanted to take the time out real quick too,
to appreciate the twin Flame shirts you got in the background. Yeah,
I wanted to take the time to appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Man. Thank you for always supporting.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, always always bro like and here's I mean, I'll
just let you both know. I know John knows, but
TUTSI I'll let you know, like I don't have time
to not support people that I just kind of like,
like it's just it's that simple, Like life's too short
to me to be you know, like even this right now,
Like if I thought Twin Flames was just like okay,
I would have been like, I don't need to ask
(12:43):
anybody to come on the show. We're good like you know,
so then we go with are you Down?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Now?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I know, John, You're strategic in the way that you
like to release the tracks. It was this your intent
with are you Are you down?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
If to see if I'm You can correct me, But
I feel like at one point when we was in
the studio making this, I got super excited when we
listened to the beef are You Down? And I think
I might have said the phrase, Yo, let's do some
sing song y type stuff because people won't expect that,
(13:19):
you know what I'm saying, And it was a moment
where I did get excited because I think people that
are fans of Tussy rappers up Toussy's music, knows that
she can rap. I think the people that are fans
of my music know that I can rap, and I
think I want are You Down? I was excited because
it allowed us to be songwriters.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
It allowed us to, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What I'm saying, you know, kind of chill and relax
and be like, yeah, we can give y'all bars, but
we can also give y'all stuff that y'all can just
vibe to and chill with.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, Like so for me, I mean you took us
on a ride. But what I started thinking towards the
end of the EP was like, the sky's the limit
at this point, because now we can we know that
you guys can do everything right. So are we Nope,
I'm not gonna ask, So what's next? Way? Are we
(14:10):
doing a Twin Flames too? That's that's just that's shitty
to do. That's shitty to do. But like I know,
like I can speak for me and a couple other
people that, So I'll just be honest with you. You
can call it nerdy whatever you want. We actually had
a listening party for your for your Twin Flames. Actually, John, Yeah, John,
you actually have met my friends several times and we
(14:31):
actually sat down at his place, spun the record and
we're just like, he does it again. And whoever she is,
she's fucking elite. She's elite. And I just and I
and I don't do Do people do that anymore? Are
we just on our own island with a listening party?
Do people do that?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I think people still do it? Right?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay, okay, because I know it's not you know, you
can get some friends to go out to a movie
with you, come over for a movie whatever. But when
you're just kind of like vibing, like you know, in
your chair, just kind of like looking because you don't
want to make eye contact with anybody. That would be weird.
You know, as you're lets you know that that lyric
hits real high, but real talk, I don't. It has
been a couple of years since we did a listening party,
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and we did it with twin Flames, so that that's
a big deal to me and it may not be
to you guys. But what I can tell you is
is that me and the dude that you've met, we
don't just do that. We only we only do it
for the people that we're gonna follow until they put
us in the ground. You feel me.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Thank you all, Thank you, thank you' all.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's I'm humbled by that, because, yes, that is super
cool that y'all got together and really like broke it down.
Because as artists, we you know, we take our art
series and to know that there are still people out
there that listen to the music and take it as
seriously as we do, that is an amazing thing.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
So that's that's truly humbling.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Appreciate that I in terms of in terms of taking
it serious. I actually Tutsie and I were talking before
you came on, Like I feel like we've gone into
this weird, weird place where like people are track oriented
and not album oriented. It's really strange to me. And obviously,
(16:16):
you know, you guys aren't your your musicians, so you
listen to an album top to bottom. But like in
my experience when I'm talking to people about music these days,
it's like, well, I listened to this track, this track,
and not the rest of the album, And it's kind
of like that's that's straight one. I think you owe
it to the artists to you know, see it top
to bottom. Because like, I have a big problem with
(16:38):
the phrase content creation, Like to me, what you guys
are doing is so much bigger than creating fucking content,
Like especially like hitting on political themes or whatever, social
social themes like that, that should mean something more than
two and a half minutes. We're out, We're not going
to think about it ever again. And I just I
just want to let you guys know, like there's there's
(17:00):
still people, there's still peeris out there, there's still piers
out there. So uh, and then we go right in
to shut it down just thumping my speakers, thumping my speakers.
So who, so did you ignite this? TUTSI? John?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Uh, John, I'm gonna let you say this one because
you gotta advice.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, okay, the track shut It Down was actually produced
by a friend of mine, one of my longtime friends
cat by the name of Vice Carter.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
He's an MC and a producer from Flint, Michigan. Doing
this thing.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I think he just recently dropped something too, So for
anybody out there watching, y'all check out.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
My dog, Vice Carter. But me and Tussy was working.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I call a vice like, yo, you should try to
get a joint on this album.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I like you, you.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Should try to come through. I'm just trying to throw
him the alley. You like, bro, come through. We working,
we grinding, Come play some, he said, And if something
hit both of us, then we'll record it.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
So he came into to his credit, he sat over.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
There with us for like hours, like because we I
think he sat through us recording.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Are You Down? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, So so he was there from like we we
found the beat to are You Down, we started writing
and recording that. He just over there with his headphones
on and his own little zone. I don't know if
he made that beat right there on the spot where
it's something he already had.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
But by the time we finished.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Our you Down and I said, okay, play with you,
play with you working on out loud.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So when he played it, what was crazy?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, it was just immediate vibes. It wasn't like we
just all started rapping to it. We all started freestyling
to it. Then we got in like an old school
cipher circle and we started just going back and forth.
So the way that you hear the three of us,
so that third voice on Shut it Down is Vice Carter,
and so the three of us started just going back
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and forth. The way that you hear us rapping on
the song is the way that we started freestyling when
he first started playing the beat and to see I'll
let you take.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It from there. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
So and that was my first time meeting him as well.
So and I'm all about like energy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
His energy was just good.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
He just fit the.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Whole entire vibe. It just made sense. But the beat
made sense.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
That's just all, you know, collaborating together made sense. So
I think what I love about Twin Flames is that
it's such a creative space. Like it was just very
much based upon creativity right then in that moment, not overthinking.
And I think that's what makes it so dope. It's
sam was shut it down, Like that's what makes shut
it down dope, because yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So what is so what does your guys' creative process
look like? Is it? Is it exactly that? Or you
just start kind of doing that and then before you
know it, like you said, you're in the cipher.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It made me laugh because me and Tensey's creative process
pretty funny to me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Listen, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
She being sweet and like modest and chill right now,
but Tessy in the studio, Tessy in the studio, it
is the most beautifully uh chaotic energy ever.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It's the most creatively beautiful chaotic energy it is. It's
just super big and you can't help but to respond
to it. When she's excited, you get excited, you know.
So when you when she hears something that is like
you know, piquing her interest and like she'll start throwing
ideas out there and bouncing around the room and like
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I feed I'm that type of person in the studio
I feed off of you know, I kind of can
be a chameleon in the studio that I feed off
of whatever energy I'm working with. If I'm working with
like a more calm artist, okay, I'll transform into the
calm producer, you feel me. But I'm an Arie, so
by nature, I'm a fire sign. So if it's somebody
(21:07):
in there that's lick, I'm gonna get lit. And so
like Tutsy's energy, I was. I can say that she
was the captain of the ship in that I was
following her energy and it was always leading us in
the right direction.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Man, Wow, that's good, because yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's really nice.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You're in the right place, Toutsy, because this is chaotic
energy over here too, so you're in the You're in
the right place for sure. Moving on to Marvelous, the
title suggests confidence. What's the story behind this track?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
So Marvelous was my solo record on there.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
We decided that we both should have solo records on
this project, just to introduce ourselves to each other's audience.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So for anybody that listens to Tussy the Rapper now
they can know what John Connor is out and vice versa.
For people that listen to John Connor, now they can
know what Tussy was about on her solo record, and
I just wanted to For me, Marvelous was just establishing.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
What I do to a new audience.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And I want to shout out my man Smitty Boy
because he produced like I think, like ninety percent of
the out of the projects.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So he sent over a B peck.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That was the one that caught my ear, and yeah,
I think with Marvelous, it was just like, I just
want to make a solid John Connor record to kind
of introduce myself to Tussy's audience.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well, mission accomplished, sir, Mission accomplished. Sunday. A title like
that hints at something reflective. What tone or theme were
you aiming for for Sunday?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
For me, it's like I think I dug into just
like a space of like I'm a I'm already like
a busy person, like I was telling you, I'm a
mom at work, I do all these things and I'm
always in the grind.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
But I think, and it doesn't have to necessarily.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Beats up towards like a relationship, but just somebody you love,
like you wish that you could be with them all
the time, you know what I'm saying. And so for me,
it's like I have my kids, I'm working Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday is like our time to chill. But I'm
still on the grind because as a mom, I'm thinking
about I gotta do this, I gotta do that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
You feel me, Monday is about to hit again.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
So just in a sense like that, like and then
I just wanted to, you know, have a little slow
vibe and it just fits. I feel like it just
fit with everything. So it felt right the song when
I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That's my fiance's favorite track on the album is so.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yes Day, Let's go.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's awesome, thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
What they talking? Was this the track to respond to critics, doubters,
something more personal, let me have it, tis.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You want to take it, or.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I'm just okay, yeah we can do it? Was they talking?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Actually, so that's like one of my favorite tracks on
the album, on the whole album, to be completely honest
with you, I love every single track obviously, but that
one specifically only because there's a story behind it and
I'm going to keep it short and sweet.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
That wasn't the original.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Beat.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I want to say necessarily the vibe of us rapping
was original because there was a different beat, but it
just wasn't fitting to what we had. So it took
us maybe like a couple of days, I want to say,
maybe a week.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
We were just kept going.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Back and forth like with different tracks that was sounded
with it, and when we found the one, we both
just knew. We're both like, this is the one. At
the same time we're like, this is the one. So
I think for that it just yeah, it worked out.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Oh yeah, man, what they talking that that story was crazy.
That was to me, it was like what they talking
was it was meant to be because, like Tussy said
in the beginning, we wrote that record to a totally
different beat, and then some issues came up with that beat,
so we had to find an entirely different beat to
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go with what they talking. But we believed in like
the songwriting and what we were saying and how we wrapped.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
And the energy of the joint that we didn't want
to give up on the song.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
So and what the funny part about that is my
man Smitty Boy, he produced the beat for the version
of What They Talking that y'all hear on the record, Like, Okay,
he did that, But that was even like the fourth
beat that Smitty sens.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Like it was. It was.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
It was a situation where like and it wasn't because
Smitty's he's a phenomenal producer, but me and Tussi had
got married to a certain energy that the original music
had and that's what we were looking for when we
was looking for the new beat to what they talking.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So I think I like the reason why that song
I love it so much is because both me and
her were dedicated to not giving up on that record.
We both believed in that record, so it was like, Okay,
if we gotta find a new beat, we'll find a
new beat.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Okay, if we'll we'll keep going through beats.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It was just a situation where both of us believed
in something and we manifested it.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
And even though it's just.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
One record, I think that that's a reflection of both
of our personalities and our drive and determination.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
We both liked the writing, we both loved what we were.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Talking about, and we didn't give up on what they
talking until we found the exact beat that we wanted
and boom, now you got what they're talking yep.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Fourth track and ended up still crushing it. Fourth one
that you got crushing it. Give me that that sounds assertive.
What are we chasing respect? Success? Something else? What are
we chasing on? Give me that?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So give me that, Give me that.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Shout out to my little cousin Showgun because he co
produced that.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Track with me.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
That song is is an interpolation of a.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Song from when I was growing up.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I can't even remember what the name. Yeah, it might
have been called Donkey yep, but so it was. It
was my interpolation of that particular song. I always loved
that joint was it reminded me of my childhood.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
So I remember I got my.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Cousin in the studio and I was like, cuz, let's
flip this. And he didn't get it at first. He like, guz,
what is we gonna do with this? So I'm like yo,
I'm like trust me. So when we started working on it.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
It became a little vibe.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And the crazy part is I've been sitting on the
beat forgive me That for probably about two years. I
think when Tutsi recorded her verse to it, that might
have been what like a year ago. So Tutsy's verse
to Give Me That was a year ago, and then
we also got rest in Peace to the legendary soldier Slim.
His little sister gi Peaches is who starts the song off,
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and I think she killed this.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
She at that New Orleans flavor because you know, New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Is all about Marty Gras and twerking and you know,
doing their thing, and I feel like.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
She brought that energy to the track and set it
off so perfectly. So give Me That was just us
having fun. And honestly, it was a song that was
already done. It was one of.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Those records that me and Tussy had sent back and
forth and then last minute, I was like, Tissy, what
if we put give Me that twin Flames And she
was like, all right, if you want to like something.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
So it turned out cool. People dig it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's one of the top tracks of top performing tracks
on Twin Flames.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So it ended up being a good a good thing, man.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So it was it just give Me That was just
a fun record, man, I liked it.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I like that track too because I was able to
really kind of introduce myself to more in a fun way.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
It's like they got to see everything that I can
do within twin Flames. But I feel like, give me
that was just the bonus extra fund, you know, like, Okay,
who is this person? Like my fans can know who
John is, you know what I'm saying, and then vice versa.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So yeah, all right, and so I know that that
was a crash course, but that you know, John knows
that's what we do here. It's just bop pop pop
pop pop. We keep it rolling, so which I appreciate
the candidness Gang. I appreciate it. So I do have
to ask a couple, if you don't mind a little
behind the scenes, if we if we can open that up.
Was there any surprising parts of making this album musically
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or personally? Once you guys wrapped, did.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
He want to take you first?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I'll let you o, Greg.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I think far as surprising, I'll say surprising in a
very good way is.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Sometimes you can create music with people.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
But when y'all get in the studio, y'all, y'all don't
have chemistry, and just as as humans, you might just
be oil and water. That's like with some of the
you know, like even with like uh in sports, when
certain people get drafted to the same team, like these superstars,
but they just don't have chemistry. I remember one time,
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I remember the Yeah, I can't help but remember this
because it was the year that Detroit Pistons won the
NBA Championship. It was the Pistons versus the Lakers, and
the Lakers was like Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Gary Payton, Karl Malone.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
It was like the most ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It was like the Lakers literally had like a dream team,
but the Lakers didn't have no chemistry. It was all
of these superstars, but when they got on the court together.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It just didn't click like that.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
So what was surprising for me in a very good
way was the same chemistry that me and Tissy had
in the text conversations and on the phone, it translated
into the studio and translated into the music that we
were making. It was super easy, super fun. It was
never an awkward moment. It was almost from the first
because the first day we got in the studio was
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the first day we ever in person, So it was
like that first day in the studio felt like we
had known each other for years. So I would say
that was a beautifully surprising thing to me.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Yeah, Yeah, that was beautiful chemistry definitely, absolutely, Like musically,
that's why it's like a twin flame, because we felt
that fire, just as artists and human beings like yeah,
like this is dope, Like we're gonna create something amazing,
and I think we're just positive through all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So that's what made it like so special.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well, I had I have a question that and now
it almost seems bogus, but I'm gonna ask it anyway
because I can already tell your guys' chemistry works so well.
Is there a particular track where maybe, like you guys
felt internally that it took forever to get it right? No? Uh, okay,
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we'll move on to the next question.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, I would just say what they talking because of
the whole the thing with the beat and so that
had nothing to do with me and since's chemistry.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
That was just things that was out of our control. Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay. Uh. Do you see this as a one time
collaborate collaboration please say no?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Please say no no?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
So is this the beginning of something ongoing? Then you're
gonna answer. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I mean there's a lot I thought you were answering.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
I'm sorry, absolutely, I love Look, look here, I have
so many tracks with John Connor.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, John Connor is one of my favorite rappers.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Okay, hey mine too. I'm glad we're all here.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Oh well, yeah, I have tons of just outside of
Twin Flames, Like, I have music that I want to
continue to, you know, collaborate with him on absolutely, and
I'm sure he can say the same.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
So and look, I'm gonna put it out there. There's
definitely gonna be a twin Flames there.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
We talked, We talked, Me and Tizzy talked about it
while we were doing Twin Flames one I won't go
into because I see tis you being coy about it.
So we but we got a lot of cool ideas
for Twin Flames too, and kind of kind of continuing
on with it and letting it become somewhat of a series.
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And like you know what I'm saying, I think we
got a lot of cool ideas as to what we're
gonna do with the next installments of Twin Flames.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
But definitely it's gonna be twin Flames too.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And I just want to say thank you to everybody
for the response to the project, Like everybody.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Really dug it.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
So you know, it's just like in Hollywood when a
movie does really good, it becomes a franchise, and now
it's like, well why stop? The chemistry was good. We
love working with each other. We make beautiful music together.
We are giving positive energy to the people that enjoy
our music, while we want to take that from them.
So we're gonna give them twin Flames two, three, four
by six that make infinity until y'all get tired of
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hearing us.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Man. All right, so twin Flames too, coming out tomorrow,
so all right, cool. I can't wait. I know I
speak for a lot of people that were at the
listening party. I can't wait, and I know they can't either.
How do you both we switch gears on this show,
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we switch gears. How do you both navigate maintaining authenticity
while aiming for commercial success respect well, however you want
to put it, how do you how do you navigate that?
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Me?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Personally, I feel like.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
I am who I am, like you know, and I
feel comfortable with who I am.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And I don't.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Feel like I need to be different than who I've
always been. I feel like life is about learning and growing,
and for me, I live a life of attitude and gratitude.
So I feel like when I wake up in the morning,
that's just I want to This is the person I
want to be, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
So when I go out into the world.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
And I go out and do these things with music,
it's like, I'm still gonna be me regardless, and I can't.
I'm just not the type of person to fake the
funk or fake who I am, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So authenticity for me, it's.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Definitely something that is a big part of me. And yeah,
I'm just I feel like that's just the way to live.
Why be anybody else, Why it's change for anybody else?
Speaker 8 (35:15):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Amen, what about you, John? You ain't getting out of
here without answering that a little bit.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Tisy and I are very similar in that way that
I think that authenticity is very important to us. I
think we both the type of artists that just wanted
to make what we want to make and make what
feels right to us and then bring everybody into our world,
as opposed to abandoning who we are to go chase
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whatever the flavor of the month is, or to chase
whatever the next sound is. You know what I'm saying
is let's just make what makes us happy, and then
will other people that like what we like will gravitate
to us and then you know, boom, you know, so
get you know, that's pretty much how I get it.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Thank you, Thank you for that answer, both of you guys,
instead of just being like, I don't know, I don't know.
So a couple of things and we'll we'll we'll kind
of wind it down here. I like to you know,
I like to you guys are people, I was telling
Tutsi beforehand. I think we maybe it doesn't exist anymore
like it used to, but I still think that there's
a big part of the population that thinks that, you know,
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you guys are made in factories and that's how you're
as good as you are and stuff like that. And
I like to get a little human on here. Who's
the bigger perfectionist in the studio? Is it Tutsi or
is it John? Oh?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's definitely John.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Although I am a virgo and I am a perfectionist,
I feel like, and it's not in a bad way.
He just his craft, like he you know, he wants
to get it right and that's totally fine. But I
feel like he would be more in the boost. I mean,
I guess maybe we both are. I'm not gonna say
he is I'm a virgo, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I feel like maybe we're bother.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
That's why we connect so well, you know, because it's
like we see things in the same light in different areas.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
You know, you guys keep bringing up signs. Why is
everybody I'm a Gemini? Why does everybody hate on me?
They always is.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I'll say you know what, I'll tell you something bro
as an aes and aries and Geminis.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
We get along. Man, y'all are just very misunderstood.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I think that other signs just need to have a
little bit more patience to understand.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Y'all. Y'all are very cool people.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Man, Dude, patients barely exists anymore, my guy.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
All right. So you guys know, I got a movie.
I do a movie podcast. It's predominant movie. But we
talk music and stuff, so naturally, I or maybe cliche Lee,
however you want to put it. If this album were
a movie, what would the genre be and who would
direct it? And I want different answers, even same answers.
I want answers from both.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Okay, oh that's dope. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Put everybody on the spot.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I want a guy who just did the vampire movie.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
That would be dope.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah, And then it would be like very like I
don't want to say like a Bonnie and Clad because
I feel like that's like.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Everybody does that, you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
If it's a woman in female or a man of
female when they do like some type of projects together,
but I feel like it would just be so like
on the run type of thing, and it would just
be very much yeah, like but we're it's not like
we're in a it's in a bad way.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's more so s trying to like encourage people along.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
The way, but like very gangster style but still like
has a message behind it, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So I feel like it would be dope like that.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I think for me, this Twin Flames album would be
like a version of Mister and Missus Smith mixed with UH,
mixed with Natural Boring Killers mixed with UH, Queen and Slim.
(39:11):
And it will be directed by Michael Bay. So that's
that's that's what this this first Twin Flames is to me.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
That's what you guys gotta do on Like, next time
you do some like promo stuff, you gotta have that
Michael Bay shot where you both are standing close to
each other and we gotta circle around.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Yeah, that'd be crazy, that'd be crazy.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
This, this first twin Flame is.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Definitely a big action Michael Bay movie. Produced by Don
Simpson and Jerry bruck Harmon.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
It is because you watch more movies than I do.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
So well, wait a minute, now, though, did you see Sinners? Though?
Did you guys both.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
See that fire?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Can we we don't need to talk about it, but
can we all mutually agree that the sequence in the
bar where we go through decades music is one of
the coolest fucking things that we've seen this long time.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
That's when I was like, whoa, Like this is sick.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
This movie is.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
I already thought it when I first saw it, but
when I got to that scene, I was like whoa.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
And then it just blew me for a blop. Like
I was really like into it after that, like really
into it.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
So we both liked it. Then we both loved it.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, instant classic man.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Good good. I tell you what, I don't know what
I like more of the decade switch of music or
him coming in with the fade at the end. Bro
the mid I was like Michael B. Jordan Cole, right now, dude.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Instant man, instant classic, instant classic man.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
One of these days, man, I'll tell you so. I
got a funny story about me and the movie Centers man.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But hey, yeah, I actually know that story.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You know. This is an off air story, is what
you're saying. We talk about it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I just I don't want to take up too much
of any time, so yeah, yeah, I tell to see.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
You off here my time, my time. Hell no, I
feel like I've already, like I told you guys thirty
forty minutes. And even though we're only at forty one
and we're vibing and everything, bro, like when you were
talking about how we're overthinkers, right, Bro, I start to
melt like my self conscious, like, hey, you told him
forty minutes. Now you are liar. You are a liar, Bro,
Get off the mic, get off my all right, well,
(41:26):
all right, last question and then if you don't mind,
I'm gonna I'm gonna give flowers. But last question, is
there something about the other person that when you guys
are in the studio that fans would be surprised to hear.
I don't care if it's like John's gotta have the
specific type of gummy worms or Tootsie's gotta have whatever, whatever,
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is there anything that members of my audience would be
surprised to learn.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
You want to go first, and you want me to
go first, you can go first.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I think I wasn't trying to stump nobody. I would
I will oh no.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
No, no, okay, let's see. I think.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That people will be surprised about I gotta go back
to I gotta go back to just her overall energy
while creating, because like, honestly, and it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
This is not in a bad way at all.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
It's like, okay, y'all, as we're doing this interview, obviously
beautiful poise.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Okay, in the studio, you know, in the studio, it is.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Like a I don't know, man, Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You remember like back in the day, like old school
cartoons when it would be like a bunch of people
fighting and then you all you see is like smoking
in arms and legs and shit like coming out of
the smoke.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
That's what like Tusy's energy is.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Like creatively, it's like just a big ball of energy
and then ideas and you know what I'm saying, and
and and just fun and charismatic and it's like it's
very it's very easy to create with Tutsi because she
is not binded by like I would say that she's
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not she's not insecure when it comes to expressing her ideas.
And I think as an artist, you have to be
able to tap into that space of fearlessness. And so
I would say, you know, not so much that people
would be surprised because she obviously is a fearless woman
in this interview, but like in the studio, it is
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like a next level of understanding that her gift is
truly a gift, like it is once she is like
a fish in water.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
It is like a line in this in the jungle.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
It is watching somebody do what they're supposed to do
fearlessly and unapologetically.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
And I think people would kind.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Of be like, if you're not confident in yourself, you're
gonna be taken aback by it. But if you're a
true artist, you're going to love being in the studio
with Tessey.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah. Actually that just happened, by the way, while we
were waiting for you to get on the call. You
want to talk about beauty, poised presence. She gets on
the call and I'm like, all right, I don't know
where's God, where's John at Bro? Like, John, gotta get
on this call real quick. This energy a little too
much for me. I can't handle this.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
She made you nervous, Bro, You got nervous.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Uh yeah, yeah I had. I had a little I
had a little shaking hands going on. But I'm all right,
we recover, We're good.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
No, No, she has that effect on people, man, just
an amazing just her gift is bigger than her body.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Man.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
All right, I'll tell you one thing about John is
he doesn't let you give up.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
It's like I remember being in the studio. It's like
he once the day's done, it's like, we gotta finish
that song. Like we're not gonna wait until the next
day and go back to it. Like he's the type
of person like we gotta finish it. If we started it,
it has to be finished.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
So I tell you what.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
At three in the morning, my eyes, I'm like recording
half of the some of the.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
Stuff on those albums.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
On the album I was recording got three in the morning,
half asleep. I just want to let everybody know that because.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
It's facts. It's facts, and.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I'm gonna tell you so back in my aftermath days,
I mean even before that, I was I was always
like what she just described. But Drake coined the phrase
championship hours.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
That's when you like pushing to you.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Literally almost have nothing left in your body to give.
But that's what makes champions And yes, that was a
beautiful that was a.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Dope night, and I was so proud of you. Man.
It was a couple of nights.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
It was an amazing it was amazing experience. And even
though I was tired at the time, It's like it
as an artist, like those type of moments I cherish
because that's what helps develop develop me, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Things that I may have just been doing on my own,
I come. It's like, yes, Joanna, he's a friend.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
He's also a teacher, he's a producer, you know, so
all these things. So when I'm working with him, it's like.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
I'm learning as well.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
I'm not afraid to learn and experience. You know new
things I've never done before when it comes to music.
So definitely I could be happy sleep.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
That's fine, just as long as I know to get
it done, you know. So it was a lesson for
me too, but in a good way.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
All right, good, thank you, thank you. Uh now hopefully
I make you both kind of uncomfortable right now. I
just wanted to extend my deepest gratitude for both of
you joining the show today, you know, talking about a
powerful and electric joint album, sharing your stories. It's an
honor to me hearing you guys speak real about it
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means a lot to me to see that I was
telling you beforehand, to me like, yes, we do promote here,
but like you guys are people and and that's that's
that's where I'm at. Like I like to talk to people,
pick their brains. The energy that you guys both brought today,
not only individually but as a duo. You can you
(47:19):
can tell that you know, both of you are magnetic
like it. It's I think that's very easy to see
that the chemistry is spot on. So obviously that chemistry
when we'll be seeing Twin Flames drop tomorrow, Twin Flames
to drop tomorrow, as we already discussed, uh, the stories
behind the music, the creative energy, the I'm sorry, creative
synergy between you two. It's embedded in each track, and
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I think listening to this interview will give the audience
a deeper appreciation for what Twin Flames I think truly represents,
which is passion, truth, artistry, resilience, from the righteous fire
to every budd he woke to the soul stirring tones
of Sunday. I think having you guys on the show
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today it gives those songs even more weight, even more
context to the music in a way that I, at
least right now, because I have an acronym learn, Evolve,
contribute every day, at least right now, you're doing it
in a way I think very few stars can actually
deliver that. And John, your legacy of lyricism and unfiltered
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honesty continues to inspire not only my generation, I hope
generations to come. And it was incredible hearing your perspective
on being in the studio for Twin Flames, Tutsie, your
commanding voice and presence. As I've already admitted to, I
had the shakes going on both in music and in conversation.
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I'm I'm very confident that it's going to leave a
lasting impression on my audience, and I, for one, and
I and I think John's with me. We're we're here
for you to watch your star continue to rise. And
I know I got front row seats for it, and
I'll follow you wherever. Thank you for coming on the
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show and having a meaningful conversation, Thank you for being open,
thank you for being real, Thank you for being generous
with your time. I know everybody always seems so busy today,
and that's because of that fucking phone, bro. It makes
you think that you're way busier than you actually are.
But I truly believe that Twin Flames isn't just an
album but a cultural statement, and your visit, I think
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helped illuminate that to all of us and proved it
if anything else. So John, You're always welcome on the show. Tutsie,
You're always welcome on the show. Continued success, continued glowing reviews,
and I hope you guys have endless inspiration going forward,
and I hope to see you back.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
So much.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yes, of course, guys, we'll talk soon. We'll talk soon.
I'm gonna get John Connor and Tutsie out of here
for the day. How about that gang that you can't
you can't ask for a better a better show than that.
I'm it's almost uncomfortable how well that went. You can
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actually find twin Flames on connorculture dot com right now.
Buy the album for ten bucks. Just just buy the
album for ten bucks. Yes, you can stream it, but
like buying the album, like you don't understand the Spotify
is and everything that it's it's not. Yes, it's support,
but it's not what it could be, you know what
I'm saying. And it's ten dollars. It's all it costs
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you ten ten fucking dollars. I mean, if you have
to stream, I mean you got you gotta do what
you gotta do. But go over there, show some love,
buy a shirt, you know, Go spin Tutsi's previous records,
Go spin John's mixtapes, his records, like you should be
set up for a while between the two of their
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catalogs a while gang so man, I was nervous. I
really was nervous there in the beginning. I ain't gonna
lie about that. Tootsy popped on and I went shit,
where the Fuck's John Ellis, Cinema, Twin Flames, Totsy the Rapper,
John Connor, Get it on connorculture dot com, ten Bucks,
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or if you must, It is streaming everywhere right now. Man,
what a good ass show. That's all I got for you, Gang.
I'm out.
All right, Ellis send him a back another dish. How
are we doing out there? Good? Great Gray Yan Yan
wonderful as you see on your screen, your dial. However
you are choosing to join us today, we all appreciate you.
So Twin Flames, Twin Flame has been waiting to talk
about this one for almost a month now. I was
pestering a couple people involved in this call right now
(01:05):
to get them on there. I'm glad that they were
graciously have agreed to spend some time with us today. So,
twin Flames, it's an album gang, It's an album. I
know we're shifting from the movies, but like all art
matters to me, all of it. It's very important to me.
I'm not a track guy. I'm an album guy, as
I was telling one of our guests earlier today. So
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twin Flames, it's a searing, soul stirring hip hop album
that fuses raw lyricism, introspective storytelling, and unapologetic energy, helmed
by two fiery voices in the game, John Conner, the
lyrical juggernaut from Flint, Michigan, and Toutsi the Rapper, the
rising powerhouse from northern California. Together they craft a dynamic
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and deeply resonant project that not only showcases their individual strengths,
but also underscores the rare chemistry between them. Chemistry is
hard to find these days. Gang two artists who ignite
each other's creative flames with every track. The album opens
up with the urgent and anthemic Everybody Woke, which is
a call to consciousness that balances righteous anger with sharp intellect.
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Intellect over thunderous production. John Connor delivers razor sharp bars
steeped in political insight, while Tutsi brings that West Coast
flare laced with fiery urgency and clarity. It sets the
tone for an album unafraid to tackle weighty themes while
remaining rhythmically electric. Are You Down is another one of
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the tracks. It slows things down to a little sultry
melodic groove. Silky vocals elevate the track into R and
B infuse territory, creating a lush backdrop for Tutsi and
Connor to explore themes of loyalty, love, and emotional resilience.
It's a standout moment that reveals the duo's range beyond
bars and bravado and then we move on to Shut
(02:52):
it Down, one of my favorites on the album. The
energy surges right back into the ear drums. We got
blistering confidence with unmatched swagger both MC's trading versus like
heavyweights in the ring. Tutsi's cadence is precise in commanding,
while Connor's relentless delivery hits like a freight train. This
duo is at their most fearless on this track. And
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then we roll on to Marvelous, which is exactly what
the title promises, a triumphant celebration of self worth, survival,
and artistic excellence. It's a moment of glow up glory,
powered by a beat that feels both cinematic and celebratory.
Their voices carry stories of struggle and perseverance, but with
a tone of victory that resonates long after that beat fades.
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We move on to Sunday, offers a soulful interlude, reflective,
gospel tinged piece with the captures the spiritual and emotional
pulse of the album. It's a moment of peace amidst
the storm, where both rappers dig deep into personal battles
and the healing that comes from faith, family, and self
reflection onto what they talk and flips the script with
some gritty defiance. Tootsy takes the lead here with bite,
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wit and unapologetic presence, while John reinforces the message with
his signature firebrand intensity. Together they dismantle critics, haters, and
doubters in one of the most hard hitting moments on
the record, and then we close it down with the
bonus track Give Me That, a bold yet infectious close
closer that begins blends hunger with swagger. The chemistry is electric,
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the verses are hungry, and the hook is built for
replay value. It's a perfect finale and one that leaves
listeners craving for more, while solidifying Twin Flames as an
unforgettable body of work. I said it unforgettable. You're from Flynn.
I'll say it to your face. Twin Flames is more
than an album. It's a meeting of minds, styles, and souls.
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John brings his legacy of lyrical depth and social consciousness,
while Tutsi emerges as a commanding force with a voice
that demands to be heard. Together, they deliver a body
work that's both cohesive, compelling, and undeniably powerful, burning bright
with autits off, authenticity, ambition, and artistry. Ladies and gentlemen
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joining the show. TUTSI the rapper for the first time
ever on the Elli Cinema podcast, and John Connor, how
are we doing? Guys?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I feel like we gotta give you a romblog dog
for that intro.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That was crazy, That was bro that was amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Thank you, Thank you for that, uh that intro man
like straight up man, so that anybody who hasn't heard
the project, thank you for giving them a heads up
to what it's all about. We've I appreciate being here
and Tusy what I oh.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Man, we don't have we don't have audio TOUTSI I'm
asking to unmute you.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Oh what's up? What's up there?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Thank you so much? That was like an amazing intro.
I felt honored.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I'm honored to be here, and I appreciate you for
having us on here.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
This is amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Absolutely absolutely. I so John's been on the Shore Show before.
We may bounce around a little bit here, but I
do have to ask some softball questions. I do apologize.
I have to ask what inspired Twin Flames Gang? Does
it reflect your personal or creative creative chemistry. Where did
twin Flames come to be?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Does you want to take it? Or how you want
to do it?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
However, he can start off out, I'll jump in.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
A well, Okay, I heard her music and I thought
she was just amazing and dope. I felt like her
voice was one that is definitely needed as far as
females and hip hop. I think that she brings something
different to the table and it inspired me. And we
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started going back and forth and doing records together. And
the more we did it and the more we went
back and forth, it was like, yo, we should do
a project together, and she was down with it. So
that's kind of where it started off at, where it
was like we both rocked with each other's music just
as admirers and fans of each other's work. And then
like as we started to create and do features with
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each other, it was like, well, why not let's just
do an album and then from there to see y'all.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Will let you take it from there?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, And then from there we I just booked a flight.
I think I was just like, let's get this going,
like you know, and I was so serious about it
to the point where he was like, Okay, he's too
serious about it, so we're really finna do this. But
I feel like are in general as artists and creatives
and I think just human beings. I felt like it
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was just a dope connection of dope energy with us
sending those verses back and forth to each other, and
it's like even with I'm a fan of his music,
just like as much as he's a fan of mine,
and uh yeah, I just felt like what I knew.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
If we were to do something together, that it would
be something that was just unstoppable and dope. So yeah,
that's how.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It came about.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
So who called who first? Who called who first?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I don't remember, Tissy, do you remember?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I just remember us saying.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
We kept saying we need to work on something, and
I think you were like, hey, I have this track
which is.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Give me that. Actually I think that was the first
one you sent me.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, You're like, I got this track, I'm working on
hop on this. You know, if you're interested, let's do it.
And so then I remember going to the studio and
I sent it back to you and you know, and
I was it and then we just started swapping back
and forth from there.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, I tracked I definitely can't remember who called who first.
I just remember it was a lot of text thing
going on back and forth.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And then, like Tissy said, in this little it's like
a documentary style piece that's on both of our Instagram
pages that kind of tells the story of how twin
Flames came to be, and she said in there, which.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Is the truth.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Every time we were in the text message, every time
we were in the text message, we would put the
two little twin flame heart emojis, like there would be
two little flaming hearts at the end of them.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
And then I remember saying to her, like, yo, that
should be the name of the album.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Album it should be twin Flames. But it shouldn't say
twin Flames. It should just be the heart the flaming hearts.
And she was like, Yo, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Man. Like she said after that, like she booked the
flight and.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It was on, So you booked that flight. You sit down?
Is there now, are you guys bouncing back and forth
a central message? Is there something that you're sitting down
and you want to convey to the audience, or it's
just like, hey, yo, we got bars.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
This is raw energy, raw bars, raw creativity.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
When the first time we worked on the first track together.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Which is everybody woke, literally just found the beat that
we both were feeling, found the words. Like every time
he would say something, I was it was really a
back and forth.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Thing, just like it is, you know, delivered.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So yeah, I definitely agree, like it was just.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And I said too in another interview that I give
to see all of the credit for that, because I
tend to be a bit of an overthinker when I
make projects, like as far as like sequencing and how
long it should be, and like she came with the
energy of let's just go with the vibes of what
we feeling in that moment. It'll be what it's supposed
to be, and let's put it out. Let's share it
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the way we feel about the music, like right, how
we feel right now, let's share it with the world.
And I appreciate it, tousye, I appreciate you for that, yeah,
because yeah, yeah, So like after we did Everybody Woke,
like we just kept you know, riding that wave of Okay,
let's just keep going the way we felt what everybody woke.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
It's like, let's use that as you know, our lets
as that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yes, absolutely, let's use that as our foundation going forward. Like,
if we don't feel about a beat the way we
feel about everybody woke, then we ain't gonna do it.
If we feel excited about it, let's do it. Let's
record it. That's it, let's move on, let's put it out.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
So that was pretty much from my perspective.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I was never overthinking for me. I like to Like
I was telling you before when I hopped on, I said,
I like to go with the flow of things, you know,
because he was asking me, what time are we gonna do?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You got and I said, we're here however long it goes.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, I'm with John, I'm a mess. Like this ship.
This ship never stops that no matter what, it just
never stops. I'm always always concocting and always trying to
think of do this that or the other thing. So
then I assume by the way everybody woke, I think
I speak for everyone. You guys melted our faces, like
I like the first time I heard that, Like I
was like, oh, all right, and that's coming up. John,
(11:37):
You're slaying right now, bro, Like it's every week, every
week you got Food for the Soul, then you come
Twin Flames, and now you're just releasing signal uh singles.
And I can tell you when everybody woke it, I
was just like, Yo, this man's crazy, this man, this
is out of control. How much lyricism he's putting out.
So is that like the idea, like everybody's woke, We're
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just gonna flatline him real quick before we get into
the rest of the album.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Pretty much, man, pretty much, pretty much. You just said it.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I wanted to take the time out real quick too,
to appreciate the twin Flame shirts you got in the background. Yeah,
I wanted to take the time to appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Man. Thank you for always supporting.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, always always bro like and here's I mean, I'll
just let you both know. I know John knows, but
TUTSI I'll let you know, like I don't have time
to not support people that I just kind of like,
like it's just it's that simple, Like life's too short
to me to be you know, like even this right now,
Like if I thought Twin Flames was just like okay,
I would have been like, I don't need to ask
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anybody to come on the show. We're good like you know,
so then we go with are you Down?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Now?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I know, John, You're strategic in the way that you
like to release the tracks. It was this your intent
with are you Are you down?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
If to see if I'm You can correct me, But
I feel like at one point when we was in
the studio making this, I got super excited when we
listened to the beef are You Down? And I think
I might have said the phrase, Yo, let's do some
sing song y type stuff because people won't expect that,
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you know what I'm saying, And it was a moment
where I did get excited because I think people that
are fans of Tussy rappers up Toussy's music, knows that
she can rap. I think the people that are fans
of my music know that I can rap, and I
think I want are You Down? I was excited because
it allowed us to be songwriters.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
It allowed us to, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What I'm saying, you know, kind of chill and relax
and be like, yeah, we can give y'all bars, but
we can also give y'all stuff that y'all can just
vibe to and chill with.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, Like so for me, I mean you took us
on a ride. But what I started thinking towards the
end of the EP was like, the sky's the limit
at this point, because now we can we know that
you guys can do everything right. So are we Nope,
I'm not gonna ask, So what's next? Way? Are we
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doing a Twin Flames too? That's that's just that's shitty
to do. That's shitty to do. But like I know,
like I can speak for me and a couple other
people that, So I'll just be honest with you. You
can call it nerdy whatever you want. We actually had
a listening party for your for your Twin Flames. Actually, John, Yeah, John,
you actually have met my friends several times and we
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actually sat down at his place, spun the record and
we're just like, he does it again. And whoever she is,
she's fucking elite. She's elite. And I just and I
and I don't do Do people do that anymore? Are
we just on our own island with a listening party?
Do people do that?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I think people still do it? Right?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay, okay, because I know it's not you know, you
can get some friends to go out to a movie
with you, come over for a movie whatever. But when
you're just kind of like vibing, like you know, in
your chair, just kind of like looking because you don't
want to make eye contact with anybody. That would be weird.
You know, as you're lets you know that that lyric
hits real high, but real talk, I don't. It has
been a couple of years since we did a listening party,
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and we did it with twin Flames, so that that's
a big deal to me and it may not be
to you guys. But what I can tell you is
is that me and the dude that you've met, we
don't just do that. We only we only do it
for the people that we're gonna follow until they put
us in the ground. You feel me.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Thank you all, Thank you, thank you' all.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's I'm humbled by that, because, yes, that is super
cool that y'all got together and really like broke it down.
Because as artists, we you know, we take our art
series and to know that there are still people out
there that listen to the music and take it as
seriously as we do, that is an amazing thing.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
So that's that's truly humbling.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Appreciate that I in terms of in terms of taking
it serious. I actually Tutsie and I were talking before
you came on, Like I feel like we've gone into
this weird, weird place where like people are track oriented
and not album oriented. It's really strange to me. And obviously,
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you know, you guys aren't your your musicians, so you
listen to an album top to bottom. But like in
my experience when I'm talking to people about music these days,
it's like, well, I listened to this track, this track,
and not the rest of the album, And it's kind
of like that's that's straight one. I think you owe
it to the artists to you know, see it top
to bottom. Because like, I have a big problem with
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the phrase content creation, Like to me, what you guys
are doing is so much bigger than creating fucking content,
Like especially like hitting on political themes or whatever, social
social themes like that, that should mean something more than
two and a half minutes. We're out, We're not going
to think about it ever again. And I just I
just want to let you guys know, like there's there's
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still people, there's still peeris out there, there's still piers
out there. So uh, and then we go right in
to shut it down just thumping my speakers, thumping my speakers.
So who, so did you ignite this? TUTSI? John?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Uh, John, I'm gonna let you say this one because
you gotta advice.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, okay, the track shut It Down was actually produced
by a friend of mine, one of my longtime friends
cat by the name of Vice Carter.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
He's an MC and a producer from Flint, Michigan. Doing
this thing.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I think he just recently dropped something too, So for
anybody out there watching, y'all check out.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
My dog, Vice Carter. But me and Tussy was working.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I call a vice like, yo, you should try to
get a joint on this album.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I like you, you.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Should try to come through. I'm just trying to throw
him the alley. You like, bro, come through. We working,
we grinding, Come play some, he said, And if something
hit both of us, then we'll record it.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
So he came into to his credit, he sat over.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
There with us for like hours, like because we I
think he sat through us recording.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Are You Down? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, So so he was there from like we we
found the beat to are You Down, we started writing
and recording that. He just over there with his headphones
on and his own little zone. I don't know if
he made that beat right there on the spot where
it's something he already had.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
But by the time we finished.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Our you Down and I said, okay, play with you,
play with you working on out loud.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So when he played it, what was crazy?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, it was just immediate vibes. It wasn't like we
just all started rapping to it. We all started freestyling
to it. Then we got in like an old school
cipher circle and we started just going back and forth.
So the way that you hear the three of us,
so that third voice on Shut it Down is Vice Carter,
and so the three of us started just going back
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and forth. The way that you hear us rapping on
the song is the way that we started freestyling when
he first started playing the beat and to see I'll
let you take.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It from there. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
So and that was my first time meeting him as well.
So and I'm all about like energy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
His energy was just good.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
He just fit the.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Whole entire vibe. It just made sense. But the beat
made sense.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
That's just all, you know, collaborating together made sense. So
I think what I love about Twin Flames is that
it's such a creative space. Like it was just very
much based upon creativity right then in that moment, not overthinking.
And I think that's what makes it so dope. It's
sam was shut it down, Like that's what makes shut
it down dope, because yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So what is so what does your guys' creative process
look like? Is it? Is it exactly that? Or you
just start kind of doing that and then before you
know it, like you said, you're in the cipher.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It made me laugh because me and Tensey's creative process
pretty funny to me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Listen, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
She being sweet and like modest and chill right now,
but Tessy in the studio, Tessy in the studio, it
is the most beautifully uh chaotic energy ever.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It's the most creatively beautiful chaotic energy it is. It's
just super big and you can't help but to respond
to it. When she's excited, you get excited, you know.
So when you when she hears something that is like
you know, piquing her interest and like she'll start throwing
ideas out there and bouncing around the room and like
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I feed I'm that type of person in the studio
I feed off of you know, I kind of can
be a chameleon in the studio that I feed off
of whatever energy I'm working with. If I'm working with
like a more calm artist, okay, I'll transform into the
calm producer, you feel me. But I'm an Arie, so
by nature, I'm a fire sign. So if it's somebody
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in there that's lick, I'm gonna get lit. And so
like Tutsy's energy, I was. I can say that she
was the captain of the ship in that I was
following her energy and it was always leading us in
the right direction.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Man, Wow, that's good, because yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's really nice.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You're in the right place, Toutsy, because this is chaotic
energy over here too, so you're in the You're in
the right place for sure. Moving on to Marvelous, the
title suggests confidence. What's the story behind this track?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
So Marvelous was my solo record on there.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
We decided that we both should have solo records on
this project, just to introduce ourselves to each other's audience.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So for anybody that listens to Tussy the Rapper now
they can know what John Connor is out and vice versa.
For people that listen to John Connor, now they can
know what Tussy was about on her solo record, and
I just wanted to For me, Marvelous was just establishing.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
What I do to a new audience.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And I want to shout out my man Smitty Boy
because he produced like I think, like ninety percent of
the out of the projects.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So he sent over a B peck.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That was the one that caught my ear, and yeah,
I think with Marvelous, it was just like, I just
want to make a solid John Connor record to kind
of introduce myself to Tussy's audience.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well, mission accomplished, sir, Mission accomplished. Sunday. A title like
that hints at something reflective. What tone or theme were
you aiming for for Sunday?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
For me, it's like I think I dug into just
like a space of like I'm a I'm already like
a busy person, like I was telling you, I'm a
mom at work, I do all these things and I'm
always in the grind.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
But I think, and it doesn't have to necessarily.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Beats up towards like a relationship, but just somebody you love,
like you wish that you could be with them all
the time, you know what I'm saying. And so for me,
it's like I have my kids, I'm working Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday is like our time to chill. But I'm
still on the grind because as a mom, I'm thinking
about I gotta do this, I gotta do that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
You feel me, Monday is about to hit again.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
So just in a sense like that, like and then
I just wanted to, you know, have a little slow
vibe and it just fits. I feel like it just
fit with everything. So it felt right the song when
I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
That's my fiance's favorite track on the album is so.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yes Day, Let's go.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's awesome, thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
What they talking? Was this the track to respond to critics, doubters,
something more personal, let me have it, tis.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You want to take it, or.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I'm just okay, yeah we can do it? Was they talking?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Actually, so that's like one of my favorite tracks on
the album, on the whole album, to be completely honest
with you, I love every single track obviously, but that
one specifically only because there's a story behind it and
I'm going to keep it short and sweet.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
That wasn't the original.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Beat.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I want to say necessarily the vibe of us rapping
was original because there was a different beat, but it
just wasn't fitting to what we had. So it took
us maybe like a couple of days, I want to say,
maybe a week.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
We were just kept going.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Back and forth like with different tracks that was sounded
with it, and when we found the one, we both
just knew. We're both like, this is the one. At
the same time we're like, this is the one. So
I think for that it just yeah, it worked out.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Oh yeah, man, what they talking that that story was crazy.
That was to me, it was like what they talking
was it was meant to be because, like Tussy said
in the beginning, we wrote that record to a totally
different beat, and then some issues came up with that beat,
so we had to find an entirely different beat to
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go with what they talking. But we believed in like
the songwriting and what we were saying and how we wrapped.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
And the energy of the joint that we didn't want
to give up on the song.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
So and what the funny part about that is my
man Smitty Boy, he produced the beat for the version
of What They Talking that y'all hear on the record, Like, Okay,
he did that, But that was even like the fourth
beat that Smitty sens.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Like it was. It was.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
It was a situation where like and it wasn't because
Smitty's he's a phenomenal producer, but me and Tussi had
got married to a certain energy that the original music
had and that's what we were looking for when we
was looking for the new beat to what they talking.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So I think I like the reason why that song
I love it so much is because both me and
her were dedicated to not giving up on that record.
We both believed in that record, so it was like, Okay,
if we gotta find a new beat, we'll find a
new beat.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Okay, if we'll we'll keep going through beats.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
It was just a situation where both of us believed
in something and we manifested it.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
And even though it's just.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
One record, I think that that's a reflection of both
of our personalities and our drive and determination.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
We both liked the writing, we both loved what we were.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Talking about, and we didn't give up on what they
talking until we found the exact beat that we wanted
and boom, now you got what they're talking yep.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Fourth track and ended up still crushing it. Fourth one
that you got crushing it. Give me that that sounds assertive.
What are we chasing respect? Success? Something else? What are
we chasing on? Give me that?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So give me that, Give me that.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Shout out to my little cousin Showgun because he co
produced that.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Track with me.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
That song is is an interpolation of a.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Song from when I was growing up.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I can't even remember what the name. Yeah, it might
have been called Donkey yep, but so it was. It
was my interpolation of that particular song. I always loved
that joint was it reminded me of my childhood.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
So I remember I got my.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Cousin in the studio and I was like, cuz, let's
flip this. And he didn't get it at first. He like, guz,
what is we gonna do with this? So I'm like yo,
I'm like trust me. So when we started working on it.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
It became a little vibe.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And the crazy part is I've been sitting on the
beat forgive me That for probably about two years. I
think when Tutsi recorded her verse to it, that might
have been what like a year ago. So Tutsy's verse
to Give Me That was a year ago, and then
we also got rest in Peace to the legendary soldier Slim.
His little sister gi Peaches is who starts the song off,
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and I think she killed this.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
She at that New Orleans flavor because you know, New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Is all about Marty Gras and twerking and you know,
doing their thing, and I feel like.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
She brought that energy to the track and set it
off so perfectly. So give Me That was just us
having fun. And honestly, it was a song that was
already done. It was one of.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Those records that me and Tussy had sent back and
forth and then last minute, I was like, Tissy, what
if we put give Me that twin Flames And she
was like, all right, if you want to like something.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
So it turned out cool. People dig it.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's one of the top tracks of top performing tracks
on Twin Flames.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So it ended up being a good a good thing, man.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So it was it just give Me That was just
a fun record, man, I liked it.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I like that track too because I was able to
really kind of introduce myself to more in a fun way.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
It's like they got to see everything that I can
do within twin Flames. But I feel like, give me
that was just the bonus extra fund, you know, like, Okay,
who is this person? Like my fans can know who
John is, you know what I'm saying, and then vice versa.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So yeah, all right, and so I know that that
was a crash course, but that you know, John knows
that's what we do here. It's just bop pop pop
pop pop. We keep it rolling, so which I appreciate
the candidness Gang. I appreciate it. So I do have
to ask a couple, if you don't mind a little
behind the scenes, if we if we can open that up.
Was there any surprising parts of making this album musically
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or personally? Once you guys wrapped, did.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
He want to take you first?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I'll let you o, Greg.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I think far as surprising, I'll say surprising in a
very good way is.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Sometimes you can create music with people.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
But when y'all get in the studio, y'all, y'all don't
have chemistry, and just as as humans, you might just
be oil and water. That's like with some of the
you know, like even with like uh in sports, when
certain people get drafted to the same team, like these superstars,
but they just don't have chemistry. I remember one time,
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I remember the Yeah, I can't help but remember this
because it was the year that Detroit Pistons won the
NBA Championship. It was the Pistons versus the Lakers, and
the Lakers was like Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Gary Payton, Karl Malone.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
It was like the most ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It was like the Lakers literally had like a dream team,
but the Lakers didn't have no chemistry. It was all
of these superstars, but when they got on the court together.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
It just didn't click like that.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
So what was surprising for me in a very good
way was the same chemistry that me and Tissy had
in the text conversations and on the phone, it translated
into the studio and translated into the music that we
were making. It was super easy, super fun. It was
never an awkward moment. It was almost from the first
because the first day we got in the studio was
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the first day we ever in person, So it was
like that first day in the studio felt like we
had known each other for years. So I would say
that was a beautifully surprising thing to me.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Yeah, Yeah, that was beautiful chemistry definitely, absolutely, Like musically,
that's why it's like a twin flame, because we felt
that fire, just as artists and human beings like yeah,
like this is dope, Like we're gonna create something amazing,
and I think we're just positive through all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So that's what made it like so special.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well, I had I have a question that and now
it almost seems bogus, but I'm gonna ask it anyway
because I can already tell your guys' chemistry works so well.
Is there a particular track where maybe, like you guys
felt internally that it took forever to get it right? No? Uh, okay,
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we'll move on to the next question.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, I would just say what they talking because of
the whole the thing with the beat and so that
had nothing to do with me and since's chemistry.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
That was just things that was out of our control. Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay. Uh. Do you see this as a one time
collaborate collaboration please say no?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Please say no no?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
So is this the beginning of something ongoing? Then you're
gonna answer. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I mean there's a lot I thought you were answering.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
I'm sorry, absolutely, I love Look, look here, I have
so many tracks with John Connor.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, John Connor is one of my favorite rappers.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Okay, hey mine too. I'm glad we're all here.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Oh well, yeah, I have tons of just outside of
Twin Flames, Like, I have music that I want to
continue to, you know, collaborate with him on absolutely, and
I'm sure he can say the same.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
So and look, I'm gonna put it out there. There's
definitely gonna be a twin Flames there.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
We talked, We talked, Me and Tizzy talked about it
while we were doing Twin Flames one I won't go
into because I see tis you being coy about it.
So we but we got a lot of cool ideas
for Twin Flames too, and kind of kind of continuing
on with it and letting it become somewhat of a series.
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And like you know what I'm saying, I think we
got a lot of cool ideas as to what we're
gonna do with the next installments of Twin Flames.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
But definitely it's gonna be twin Flames too.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
And I just want to say thank you to everybody
for the response to the project, Like everybody.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Really dug it.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
So you know, it's just like in Hollywood when a
movie does really good, it becomes a franchise, and now
it's like, well why stop? The chemistry was good. We
love working with each other. We make beautiful music together.
We are giving positive energy to the people that enjoy
our music, while we want to take that from them.
So we're gonna give them twin Flames two, three, four
by six that make infinity until y'all get tired of
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hearing us.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Man. All right, so twin Flames too, coming out tomorrow,
so all right, cool. I can't wait. I know I
speak for a lot of people that were at the
listening party. I can't wait, and I know they can't either.
How do you both we switch gears on this show,
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we switch gears. How do you both navigate maintaining authenticity
while aiming for commercial success respect well, however you want
to put it, how do you how do you navigate that?
Speaker 7 (34:27):
Me?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Personally, I feel like.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
I am who I am, like you know, and I
feel comfortable with who I am.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And I don't.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Feel like I need to be different than who I've
always been. I feel like life is about learning and growing,
and for me, I live a life of attitude and gratitude.
So I feel like when I wake up in the morning,
that's just I want to This is the person I
want to be, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
So when I go out into the world.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
And I go out and do these things with music,
it's like, I'm still gonna be me regardless, and I can't.
I'm just not the type of person to fake the
funk or fake who I am, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So authenticity for me, it's.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Definitely something that is a big part of me. And yeah,
I'm just I feel like that's just the way to live.
Why be anybody else, Why it's change for anybody else?
Speaker 8 (35:15):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Amen, what about you, John? You ain't getting out of
here without answering that a little bit.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Tisy and I are very similar in that way that
I think that authenticity is very important to us. I
think we both the type of artists that just wanted
to make what we want to make and make what
feels right to us and then bring everybody into our world,
as opposed to abandoning who we are to go chase
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whatever the flavor of the month is, or to chase
whatever the next sound is. You know what I'm saying
is let's just make what makes us happy, and then
will other people that like what we like will gravitate
to us and then you know, boom, you know, so
get you know, that's pretty much how I get it.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Thank you, Thank you for that answer, both of you guys,
instead of just being like, I don't know, I don't know.
So a couple of things and we'll we'll we'll kind
of wind it down here. I like to you know,
I like to you guys are people, I was telling
Tutsi beforehand. I think we maybe it doesn't exist anymore
like it used to, but I still think that there's
a big part of the population that thinks that, you know,
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you guys are made in factories and that's how you're
as good as you are and stuff like that. And
I like to get a little human on here. Who's
the bigger perfectionist in the studio? Is it Tutsi or
is it John? Oh?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
It's definitely John.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Although I am a virgo and I am a perfectionist,
I feel like, and it's not in a bad way.
He just his craft, like he you know, he wants
to get it right and that's totally fine. But I
feel like he would be more in the boost. I mean,
I guess maybe we both are. I'm not gonna say
he is I'm a virgo, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I feel like maybe we're bother.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
That's why we connect so well, you know, because it's
like we see things in the same light in different areas.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
You know, you guys keep bringing up signs. Why is
everybody I'm a Gemini? Why does everybody hate on me?
They always is.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I'll say you know what, I'll tell you something bro
as an aes and aries and Geminis.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
We get along. Man, y'all are just very misunderstood.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I think that other signs just need to have a
little bit more patience to understand.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Y'all. Y'all are very cool people.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Man, Dude, patients barely exists anymore, my guy.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
All right. So you guys know, I got a movie.
I do a movie podcast. It's predominant movie. But we
talk music and stuff, so naturally, I or maybe cliche Lee,
however you want to put it. If this album were
a movie, what would the genre be and who would
direct it? And I want different answers, even same answers.
I want answers from both.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Okay, oh that's dope. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Put everybody on the spot.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I want a guy who just did the vampire movie.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
That would be dope.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah, And then it would be like very like I
don't want to say like a Bonnie and Clad because
I feel like that's like.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Everybody does that, you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
If it's a woman in female or a man of
female when they do like some type of projects together,
but I feel like it would just be so like
on the run type of thing, and it would just
be very much yeah, like but we're it's not like
we're in a it's in a bad way.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's more so s trying to like encourage people along.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
The way, but like very gangster style but still like
has a message behind it, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So I feel like it would be dope like that.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I think for me, this Twin Flames album would be
like a version of Mister and Missus Smith mixed with UH,
mixed with Natural Boring Killers mixed with UH, Queen and Slim.
(39:11):
And it will be directed by Michael Bay. So that's
that's that's what this this first Twin Flames is to me.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
That's what you guys gotta do on Like, next time
you do some like promo stuff, you gotta have that
Michael Bay shot where you both are standing close to
each other and we gotta circle around.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Yeah, that'd be crazy, that'd be crazy.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
This, this first twin Flame is.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Definitely a big action Michael Bay movie. Produced by Don
Simpson and Jerry bruck Harmon.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
It is because you watch more movies than I do.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
So well, wait a minute, now, though, did you see Sinners? Though?
Did you guys both.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
See that fire?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Can we we don't need to talk about it, but
can we all mutually agree that the sequence in the
bar where we go through decades music is one of
the coolest fucking things that we've seen this long time.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
That's when I was like, whoa, Like this is sick.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
This movie is.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
I already thought it when I first saw it, but
when I got to that scene, I was like whoa.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
And then it just blew me for a blop. Like
I was really like into it after that, like really
into it.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
So we both liked it. Then we both loved it.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, instant classic man.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Good good. I tell you what, I don't know what
I like more of the decade switch of music or
him coming in with the fade at the end. Bro
the mid I was like Michael B. Jordan Cole, right now, dude.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Instant man, instant classic, instant classic man.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
One of these days, man, I'll tell you so. I
got a funny story about me and the movie Centers man.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But hey, yeah, I actually know that story.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You know. This is an off air story, is what
you're saying. We talk about it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I just I don't want to take up too much
of any time, so yeah, yeah, I tell to see.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
You off here my time, my time. Hell no, I
feel like I've already, like I told you guys thirty
forty minutes. And even though we're only at forty one
and we're vibing and everything, bro, like when you were
talking about how we're overthinkers, right, Bro, I start to
melt like my self conscious, like, hey, you told him
forty minutes. Now you are liar. You are a liar, Bro,
Get off the mic, get off my all right, well,
(41:26):
all right, last question and then if you don't mind,
I'm gonna I'm gonna give flowers. But last question, is
there something about the other person that when you guys
are in the studio that fans would be surprised to hear.
I don't care if it's like John's gotta have the
specific type of gummy worms or Tootsie's gotta have whatever, whatever,
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is there anything that members of my audience would be
surprised to learn.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
You want to go first, and you want me to
go first, you can go first.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I think I wasn't trying to stump nobody. I would
I will oh no.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
No, no, okay, let's see. I think.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That people will be surprised about I gotta go back
to I gotta go back to just her overall energy
while creating, because like, honestly, and it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
This is not in a bad way at all.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
It's like, okay, y'all, as we're doing this interview, obviously
beautiful poise.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Okay, in the studio, you know, in the studio, it is.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Like a I don't know, man, Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You remember like back in the day, like old school
cartoons when it would be like a bunch of people
fighting and then you all you see is like smoking
in arms and legs and shit like coming out of
the smoke.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
That's what like Tusy's energy is.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Like creatively, it's like just a big ball of energy
and then ideas and you know what I'm saying, and
and and just fun and charismatic and it's like it's
very it's very easy to create with Tutsi because she
is not binded by like I would say that she's
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not she's not insecure when it comes to expressing her ideas.
And I think as an artist, you have to be
able to tap into that space of fearlessness. And so
I would say, you know, not so much that people
would be surprised because she obviously is a fearless woman
in this interview, but like in the studio, it is
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like a next level of understanding that her gift is
truly a gift, like it is once she is like
a fish in water.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
It is like a line in this in the jungle.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
It is watching somebody do what they're supposed to do
fearlessly and unapologetically.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
And I think people would kind.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Of be like, if you're not confident in yourself, you're
gonna be taken aback by it. But if you're a
true artist, you're going to love being in the studio
with Tessey.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Yeah. Actually that just happened, by the way, while we
were waiting for you to get on the call. You
want to talk about beauty, poised presence. She gets on
the call and I'm like, all right, I don't know
where's God, where's John at Bro? Like, John, gotta get
on this call real quick. This energy a little too
much for me. I can't handle this.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
She made you nervous, Bro, You got nervous.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Uh yeah, yeah I had. I had a little I
had a little shaking hands going on. But I'm all right,
we recover, We're good.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
No, No, she has that effect on people, man, just
an amazing just her gift is bigger than her body.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Man.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
All right, I'll tell you one thing about John is
he doesn't let you give up.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
It's like I remember being in the studio. It's like
he once the day's done, it's like, we gotta finish
that song. Like we're not gonna wait until the next
day and go back to it. Like he's the type
of person like we gotta finish it. If we started it,
it has to be finished.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
So I tell you what.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
At three in the morning, my eyes, I'm like recording
half of the some of the.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
Stuff on those albums.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
On the album I was recording got three in the morning,
half asleep. I just want to let everybody know that because.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
It's facts. It's facts, and.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I'm gonna tell you so back in my aftermath days,
I mean even before that, I was I was always
like what she just described. But Drake coined the phrase
championship hours.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
That's when you like pushing to you.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Literally almost have nothing left in your body to give.
But that's what makes champions And yes, that was a
beautiful that was a.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Dope night, and I was so proud of you. Man.
It was a couple of nights.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
It was an amazing it was amazing experience. And even
though I was tired at the time, It's like it
as an artist, like those type of moments I cherish
because that's what helps develop develop me, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Things that I may have just been doing on my own,
I come. It's like, yes, Joanna, he's a friend.
Speaker 5 (46:16):
He's also a teacher, he's a producer, you know, so
all these things. So when I'm working with him, it's like.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
I'm learning as well.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
I'm not afraid to learn and experience. You know new
things I've never done before when it comes to music.
So definitely I could be happy sleep.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
That's fine, just as long as I know to get
it done, you know. So it was a lesson for
me too, but in a good way.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
All right, good, thank you, thank you. Uh now hopefully
I make you both kind of uncomfortable right now. I
just wanted to extend my deepest gratitude for both of
you joining the show today, you know, talking about a
powerful and electric joint album, sharing your stories. It's an
honor to me hearing you guys speak real about it
(46:58):
means a lot to me to see that I was
telling you beforehand, to me like, yes, we do promote here,
but like you guys are people and and that's that's
that's where I'm at. Like I like to talk to people,
pick their brains. The energy that you guys both brought today,
not only individually but as a duo. You can you
(47:19):
can tell that you know, both of you are magnetic
like it. It's I think that's very easy to see
that the chemistry is spot on. So obviously that chemistry
when we'll be seeing Twin Flames drop tomorrow, Twin Flames
to drop tomorrow, as we already discussed, uh, the stories
behind the music, the creative energy, the I'm sorry, creative
synergy between you two. It's embedded in each track, and
(47:44):
I think listening to this interview will give the audience
a deeper appreciation for what Twin Flames I think truly represents,
which is passion, truth, artistry, resilience, from the righteous fire
to every budd he woke to the soul stirring tones
of Sunday. I think having you guys on the show
(48:06):
today it gives those songs even more weight, even more
context to the music in a way that I, at
least right now, because I have an acronym learn, Evolve,
contribute every day, at least right now, you're doing it
in a way I think very few stars can actually
deliver that. And John, your legacy of lyricism and unfiltered
(48:30):
honesty continues to inspire not only my generation, I hope
generations to come. And it was incredible hearing your perspective
on being in the studio for Twin Flames, Tutsie, your
commanding voice and presence. As I've already admitted to, I
had the shakes going on both in music and in conversation.
(48:51):
I'm I'm very confident that it's going to leave a
lasting impression on my audience, and I, for one, and
I and I think John's with me. We're we're here
for you to watch your star continue to rise. And
I know I got front row seats for it, and
I'll follow you wherever. Thank you for coming on the
(49:16):
show and having a meaningful conversation, Thank you for being open,
thank you for being real, Thank you for being generous
with your time. I know everybody always seems so busy today,
and that's because of that fucking phone, bro. It makes
you think that you're way busier than you actually are.
But I truly believe that Twin Flames isn't just an
album but a cultural statement, and your visit, I think
(49:37):
helped illuminate that to all of us and proved it
if anything else. So John, You're always welcome on the show. Tutsie,
You're always welcome on the show. Continued success, continued glowing reviews,
and I hope you guys have endless inspiration going forward,
and I hope to see you back.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
So much.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yes, of course, guys, we'll talk soon. We'll talk soon.
I'm gonna get John Connor and Tutsie out of here
for the day. How about that gang that you can't
you can't ask for a better a better show than that.
I'm it's almost uncomfortable how well that went. You can
(50:20):
actually find twin Flames on connorculture dot com right now.
Buy the album for ten bucks. Just just buy the
album for ten bucks. Yes, you can stream it, but
like buying the album, like you don't understand the Spotify
is and everything that it's it's not. Yes, it's support,
but it's not what it could be, you know what
I'm saying. And it's ten dollars. It's all it costs
(50:42):
you ten ten fucking dollars. I mean, if you have
to stream, I mean you got you gotta do what
you gotta do. But go over there, show some love,
buy a shirt, you know, Go spin Tutsi's previous records,
Go spin John's mixtapes, his records, like you should be
set up for a while between the two of their
(51:04):
catalogs a while gang so man, I was nervous. I
really was nervous there in the beginning. I ain't gonna
lie about that. Tootsy popped on and I went shit,
where the Fuck's John Ellis, Cinema, Twin Flames, Totsy the Rapper,
John Connor, Get it on connorculture dot com, ten Bucks,
(51:26):
or if you must, It is streaming everywhere right now. Man,
what a good ass show. That's all I got for you, Gang.
I'm out.
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