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Good morning, Good morning, this is Empire Talks Back. I'm
Wallace Allen here on the case for truth and justice
with the right information to help improve the situation. We
are solutionary. We are looking for solutions, and you can't
find a solution unless you can pronounce and understand the
problem that you have, a problem that you are in
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the circumstancesuation that needs improvement, and my goodness, we are
in that circumstance and situation. I am going to ask
a question, and I have expert with us today, mister
Attorney Hugo Salazar. I'm asking the question to you as
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a general listener, public listening public, but I also have
my expert, who can you know, lead us down the
path to hopefully some type of answer and understanding of
not just a problem, but the solution and a path,
a path to comfort because we are inundated with chaos
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and confusion. The question is Trump manipulating his way to
declaring martial law. He is placing troops on the southern
border in the name of a fictional invasion. The court
is allowing him to use the Alien Enemies Act to
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deport immigrants, documented or not, people that he simply declares
to be invaders and therefore proof of a war. War
justifies an emergency declaration, which opens the door to martial
law and his apparent ultimate dream status of president for life.
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He has started so many fires of distraction that I
fear we are ignoring his most dangerous plot. There is
increasing chaos and confusion caused by his assault on the economy,
social security, Medicare, Medicaid, education, foreign relations, etc. Etc. This
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engineered chaos will fan the flames of resistance protests will increase,
adding to the probability of a protest being described vibed
simply described by him as an insurrection. Attorney sellers our HUGO,
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please tell me this scenario cannot happen. And how are you?
God bless you.
Speaker 10 (10:18):
I'm don't want God bless you, God blessed everybody. I'm
gonna I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm gonna I'm
gonna tell you something right here that is very very
you know, alarming. Okay, So, and I'm gonna answer you
a question. I got my parental legal and my former colleague.
We were we were we were attorneys working together out
on the Southern Board in twenty eighteen. I gotta tell
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you this, this guy's crazy. This president is crazy. He
got a notification on Thursday night from cdpiece.
Speaker 13 (10:48):
Official official website email notifying him these two folks that
their citizenship status is no longer valid, that they're no
longer here legally in the United States.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
These are attorney friends.
Speaker 10 (11:06):
These are attorneys, attorney friends who I verified and saw
their emails and they get this email notifying it that
their constitutional right of being a US citizen. These are
people born here in United States. Third generation Mexican American
folks are telling them you gotta leave. So that's the craziness.
But I'll ask you, but I wanted to start off
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with that crazy topic to tell you this Trump, King
Trump as he wants to call himself, is crazy.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
Well now right there, pointing out once again we as
a people. Human nature often tells folks that they're secure
as long as these issues are affecting other people. So
as long as the title immigrant and illegal immigrant is past,
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there's some false sense of security to other citizens that believe,
for whatever reason, that it will only happen to them.
But you have just described a situation where third generation
Americans are being told that they are no longer citizens
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and that they have to leave the country.
Speaker 10 (12:25):
In seven days.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
This is Attorney Hugo Cells are of San Diego area, correct,
I mean, this is not a scam. This ain't a
This is not a scam like they.
Speaker 10 (12:36):
Call no no. This is our a sitting president telling
citizens that they don't perceive their citizenship as a valid
citizenship status. That's the world we live in and they're
starting first. And I don't wait to detrave for your question, Wallace,
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but I want to make sure put this out. But
they're starting first to set the legal framework and the
political narrative to attack the most vulnerable, the legally less protected,
the immigrants, the sun um seekers, and then they're going
to start moving on forward to applying this to the
US citizens. And then they're going to start going out
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to applying these same policies as we were all you know,
attorneys that were working out on the border, enforcing the
rule of law by literally asking our government to follow
the law. And now I can I can assure you
sure as it's some will rise. If they're coming after
the US citizens' attorneys for these positions, you better believe
who's next. Everybody's next. So that's why this thing is
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not just something that affects some people. It affects all
of us. But I wanted to answer your question because
there's some particular legal uh term of our uh term
of our definitions that we need to talk about, to
talk about whether you know, what what allows King Trump
is the ability for him to declare martial law. So
you know, but I don't want to move away from
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that topic.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
Everything, everything that you've said is in topic because we
are once again alerting people. It's like a fire, you go.
If we don't let people know that the house is
on fire, they are going to be in a position
to say, well, you know, this is how Hitler in
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Germany took over. People sat by thinking that, well, it's
gonna only be them. Well, he's not that serious. Maybe
we should simply h you know, kind of ignore some
of these signs there because no one could be that.
But we find that he is. The Idea of being
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that way is one thing, but having the ability and
influence to make and we're being called for a brick.
But you know, last week my whole topic was about
the importance of is it more important for profit or
for people? And we're going to go the people way.
So I'm going to melt this this announcement out and
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announce what the people need to know, and that's that
we have a problem. We have congress people, we have
people who are over agencies that are now telling us
that hey, if you want to vote, you're going to
have to go get a birth certificate, You're going to
have to get proof, you're going to have to carry
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something that we used to laugh about as we watch
these old movies in the fifties, where's your papers? Where's
your papers? First thing that, where's your papers? And we'd say, oh,
in America, we don't have to carry papers. But no,
we got it. We have to do that. But yes,
it's important for us to understand that there is a
thing called martial law that gives the president tremendous powers.
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I don't even know the extent of them, but there
are some steps that and some things that need to
occur for him to be able to do that. One
of them is an emergency. But let me put that
back into your hands. I want people to hear this
from an attorney, someone that is not as emotional as
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I am.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
I don't know. I don't know what to tell you.
What I am as emotional, probably more so, I'll tell you,
but i'll tell you.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Regards more then your case. We're going to call it passion.
Speaker 10 (16:24):
Okay, yes, passion, because you can't be And I'll tell
you this, in this day and age, under this law,
under this regime, if you don't have if you're not
upset about what's going on, if you're not awake about
what's going on. Then what are you doing. You're just
a passive onlooker supporting this president, so called president from
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taking the rights from all of us.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
Well, he is a president. He is a president, you know,
let's let's say that because I've heard that. I've heard
people say, well, you know, he's a president. Well, yeah
he is. But he's not the king, he's not the emperor.
He's not in charge of as much as he would
have you believe. So, yeah, he's the president. So let's
define that, and let's look at what that's supposed to be.
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It's not supposed to be the king with no clothes,
the emperor wearing no clothes. But yes, let's get back
to the martial.
Speaker 10 (17:19):
Martial law generally is a term of art that's referred
to military control by Trump and his cronies over like
your very basic civilian functions, like over court proceedings, meaning
that he in a nutshell, he takes over and he
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can detain anybody, detain anybody, and there are no This
old Latin term called risk of habeas corpus, meaning that
no civil attorney or criminal law attorney can file claims
with both the federal or the day court essentially federal
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in this case, to ask that the government released someone
because there's a broken law, which we in fact, i'll
tell you a little later, we did use many withsmas
abas corpuses during the two thousand and sixty twenty the
truck regime to get people out of detention. But in
martial law is implying that you're seizing all rights, all
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civil law rights for people to get out of detention,
to be able to have a court proceeding because of
Trump's or in this case, the presidency is saying this
is national emergency. The Constitution is not necessarily defined, and
these circumstances only occurred in very limited insist beside during
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the Civil War. But the limitations of martial law does
the president does not have the power, unilarity, to declare
martial law or to spend the constitution. And see in essence,
by this old case and back in eighteen sixty six
that we all learned in law school that it was,
you know, just a footnote that we thought we're never
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going to be reading about or using in law. But
now in a loan behold twenty twenty five, we are
thinking about it. Martial law. Essentially through this case called
X part in Milligan, martial law cannot be imposed where
courts are operating a civil law and functioning, is in
essence saying you just can't apply it. But under this
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thing called the National Emergencies fact or the Insurrection Act,
a president can use emergency powers. But those powers are
not unlimited. They're not unlimited, and they're subject to this
key point legal challenges and the congressional oversight, and that
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for all of us, it's a little bit concerning because
if we don't got a Congress that has a backbone,
or we got courts that are bending over for Trump
in trouble, these declarations can allow a military group where
Trump's little guestapo, to support law enforcement, Okay, to act
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as police, but it's not a full military Let.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
Me let me slow you down here just for a moment. Yes,
And that part of my question was, is he manipulating
his way into the path to that state of emergency
and the ability to declare that and to move toward
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martial law we just described, You just described a compromised legislature,
a compromised congress, a compromised court system, a total compromising
of people of so called authority at the agency level.
He has fired any general who has a real general
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sense of understanding of what their responsibilities are as military
and has replaced them with people who are, oh puppets,
people who will do whatever they need to do to
please mister Trump, to please the so called quote unquote
the president. So it appears that he is manipulating. He
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has set the stage. And that's what we're talking about.
People are they Are they paying attention.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
He's telling us the recipe, telling us. The concern is
not just a Trump, it's acting a fool is whatever
normally he is normally. The concern is that we have
an erosion, an erosion of the systems of checks and
balances that we're supposed to stop these wanna be kings
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from doing these types of behaviors. That's the reason why
this country was founded, to develop a system of checks
and balances. But when you regulate how the federal course
can impose injunctions, as it just did the Congress, yes
that it just passed a law that has to get ratified.
The limits injunctions to a national novel, meaning that you
can't if the laws of constitution, they just can't fly
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the rest of the country. They only apply to the
specific area there. And the fact that we don't have
a Congress that clearly cares about the constitutional protections for
every single American throughout the country.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
You're talking about federal judges being limited to having regional
decisions as opposed to federal decisions, and that belies the
whole purpose and even the titling of who these judges are.
And the thing that we are looking at is I
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think there's a word that we need to put into
the recipe here, and that's audacity. Because we've had presidents
I guess he's number forty seven or forty six twice,
forty five twice and yeah.
Speaker 14 (23:13):
Yeah, and to have audacity to do things that no
one else not only has ever done, but even discussed
to do.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Now, we did have a three term president, but somehow,
once again we're looking at charisma and we're not looking
at I mean, as we look at Roosevelt's reign, we
see a level of cooperation in growth, and of course
you had war that made that occur, and he served
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two terms and his third term was taken over by
I think mister Truman. So we have we have a
history of it but once again, when that his term
is over, Congress came immediately to the table and said
into law a statute as opposed to an attitude that
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says a president should only serve two terms, but a
statute that says a president should only serve two terms.
So with that audacity, we see a man who had
something that most presidents hadn't the ability to deal with,
and that was four years on and four years off
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to figure out how to go back in and really
do the damage or take over the way he wanted
to do it, and under the influence and the threat
of going to jail if he didn't win. And I
think this is something that his motivation to be king.
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Is it to be king or is it to be
a free man out of jail? And if he's going
to be out of gail, he's definitely want to be
wants to be in charge. Now, one thing that I'd
like to say about this man is that I don't
think he's crazy. I think he constantly is giving us
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the crazy tests. How crazy are we the people to
allow him to do what he wants to do? And
we find that this man has a charm about him
that when people who haven't been around him. Bill Meyer
was with him last week at a dinner. Bill Meyer
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talked about Trump like he had four tails in thirteen
ears that didn't work. And he sat down had dinner
with him, and he comes back praising Trump's personality. How
nice the guy is? He actually laughs. The man has charisma,
There's no doubt about it. He has the ability to
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charm uh any, apparently anyone that he can sit down with.
Uh So, I think there's a danger in in not
giving him the respect of that you would give give
a what's that dragon that if he was to kiss you,
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he'd actually kill you, that commot dragon?
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Yeah, dragon? Respect He is that he does he warrants.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
So with with that, you know, this is this is
our problem. Our problem is that we have a super
smooth operator that's moving yes, and and and he is
motivated to do things that no one else in his
position has ever done.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
I want to say about the Korean drisma like this man.
I mean, it's a symptom of a man, all right.
This man is a symptom of what unfortunately a large
portion of Americans belief, racism, sexism, I mean, over over blame,
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you know, criminal behavior, it's something that's not only tolerated
but encouraged his followers is like a coult. All right,
I'll tell you one of the things that we should
be concerned about is not only does national injunctions thing
limiting national injunctions, but the fact that this president is
using these things called I mean essentially laws that are
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targeting people or law firms in this case. Historically, the
constitution limits they're called bills of attain. They're like laws
targeting certain people. The Congress can't do that, right because
that was the fear when the founding founder started this country.
But it's not limiting to the executive branch. So the
executive branch is calling out and targeting these law firms
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and these individuals as a political end up. And what
that does it silences the lawyers. Back in twenty eighteen,
when we used to when I used to work for
a nonprofit in the border where we used to campaign
and do actual losses against the Trump administration for national injunctions,
particularly for some of the silent stuff that we did.
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You know who used to help us. It was the large, big,
you know, uh, you know, top law firms in the country.
Because they're doing these pro bono hours backing up because
some of these people had a conscience because they saw, hey,
this is bad, backing us up. But now that Trump
is using his positions start charging law firms, he's essentially
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silencing the opposite, the legal opposition.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Worse than that, he's not simply silencing them, he's obligating
them to do pro bone homework for the government.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
That is directly saying, hey, man, you know what, if
there is an actual campaign legal capinic has me, I'm
gonna send out my attorneys to do that. And that
should be very concerning because I remember the last you know,
the last time we had conversations about whether a human
being is a human being is a citizen. You know,
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it's eerily to a lot of these old positions where
you didn't think people were, you know, we're human beings,
just citizen in this country. And we should be concerned.
The Canary and the and the coal mine is.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Dead, screaming, screaming, screaming anymore. It's dead.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
They just got to dangly out there. And we should
be concerned that our elected officials, through the Congress and Senate,
is allowing this man to destroy this country. And I
not being an alarmist, but when I saw my colleague
receive an email from someone to you know, from learning
from CVP saying and this is not just us. There
was a couple I didn't get it one to be clearer,
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so these are just colleagues and ex colleagues, but some
other individuals throughout the country who were immigration attorneys were
getting the these also these emails. If you start making
you think you know what they're sending, these types of
these types of announcements to leave immediately because they're using
El Salvador, the Salvador prison. There's no regulation, god knows
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whe they're at as a way to not only starlence
them but take them out. Because if someone is picked
up and they're being sent to a Salvador, you tell
me who's protecting them.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
Oh, no, one's protecting them. But let's enlarge on who's
actually in charge of that. That's American taxpayer money that's
found that's contracted El Salvador.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Three hundred million dollars for two hundred and fifty deteenees.
Think about that. That's one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
That's almost as ridiculous as the money that we waste
on fixing the so called homeless problem as opposed to
helping people, we end up.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
Helping helping Uh oh wall you open you another.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
I know. But it's the kind of thing that I
want to point to that we have so many concerns
that when he throws a match over on any of
these concerns and sets it on fire, like Okay, social Security,
I'm not gonna take the money away. I'm just gonna
fire everybody that facilitates you getting it. Oh, health care,
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no problem, we can keep health care. I'm just gonna
fire all of the people that facilitate you getting it.
We're gonna education and research. Oh yeah, that's important. We
should keep that up. Except I'm gonna I'm gonna dismiss
all of the grants and funds that are available to
the colleges and the research companies that we have funded
to help make America the greatest place, or the strongest place,
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or the most intellectual site. But we lose that. And
I say manipulate because he moves like he's just moved
through us our Congress. One of the first things that
we note is that a president is not allowed to
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use his position to make money in the name of
the people that he puts in his pocket. Never had
big issues with that. And as soon as Trump came
in and they say, well, okay, put your money in
a trust to count and come forward and you know,
declare yourself. No, no, homeboy doesn't do that. He goes
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out and puts his name on caps, sells caps and
shirts and toilet paper with his name on it and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
I'm just is a grifters, a snake oil spellman.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
But he's but his team. Now, now the thing, Now, okay,
here's the deal. Do I blame the grifter for being
a grifter or do I blame security for ignoring the
fact that they let a grifter in whose identification card said, grifter,
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whose background checks at, grifter whose whole concept and interview
process says, I'm going to do what I can to
make me a better man, stronger than you, and all
your money and my money and your money too. This
is what we're looking at. But we want to talk
about him, But as we look at our solution, our
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solution has almost nothing to do with him. It has
to do with people that we have elected and trusted
and who were in office before him. Simply standing up,
simply doing what. I can't say that old word for word,
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but I know that it does not include, you know,
sticking your head up somebody else's attitude and doing their
you know, letting them be your puppeteer. These are these
are these are folks so solution wise, and this is
where we've got to go. There's no way in the
world that I want to leave you know, the fifteen
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million zillion people that are that should be listening without
some type of path to securing our future. And it's
our future, in the future of the world, future of
the planet. Future, what do we do?
Speaker 10 (34:30):
Wake up, get vote.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Well, he's telling everybody to go to sleep. First thing
he's saying is woke is not good. I mean, I mean,
can you imagine when people accept a statement like woke
is not good and the only thing that is the
opposite of woke is sleep. Paying no attention, don't be alert,
(35:00):
be dull, be submissive, don't be aggressive and worry for
the truth.
Speaker 10 (35:06):
Be passive onlookers, because onlookers as we have been look
during the Biden administration. I'll be frankly, I wasn't very
much involved in anything other than my practice and quite frankically,
now we have to demand more. We have to demand
more from our elected officials, because it's not just a
matter of tariffs crossing you more in the pocketbook. It's
(35:30):
not just things like that, or but if the thing
about losing fundamental rights, fundamental rights where you have a
so called wanna be king essentially stripping the legal rights
of millions of people, because we didn't get a chance
to even talk about his desire to strip away I
mean to give immunity for police officers, I mean across
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the nation. I mean, who's that going to target? I
mean black and brown people. Beware, now you're going to
have a president who's going to escuse every single police
officer with a badge and the gun the green light
to do whatever they want without any consequences.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
And I mean, right now, right now, that's pretty much
the case. You know, a city has to be separate
it more well, the city has to separate itself from
the conduct of a policeman in order for you know,
the city to not be held liable. But they're always
going to be held liable the city that hires him.
So if Trump steps in and and the you and
(36:33):
takes the position of super union, because the unions are
the ones that have kept police from being prosecuted for
their for their obvious wrongdoings. And certainly, I'm not against
unions at all, but I am against stupidity, and that's
what we're talking about.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
I'm not against unions either, but I'm more for the
victim who've been struggled and who have been shot, and
who have been hunted out. But I'll tell you this,
what about I have this case, because I've talked about
this specificate word case. What about if a if a
client has been illegally deported back, you know, to the
respective country. I had a I have a client who
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was This client was not in a civil case of me,
but she was a client. You know. She got picked
up at three p I'm sorry, at three pm, at
twelve pm from Anaheim and got sent to Mexico by
six pm. No no judge, no detention, no no word said,
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just picked up and sent back. And this I'm not
talking about just some recent arrival. This lady was a
pregnant mother who's been here since she was three years old.
So let's think about that. If they're sending people back,
and I mean, where's their ability to be able to
enforce the law civilly here in the United States. They
ain't gonna do it. That's what I'm trying to convey.
He's setting the mechanism in play to be able to
(37:55):
mass support anybody, immigrant, citizen, police, opponent, so that he
sets up the legal framework so that he can violent
people's rights so they won't be able to defend themselves.
Speaker 8 (38:07):
Or stack or stacks stacks the courts up with so
much of a backlog of incidents like this, allowing the
courts to move slowly to announce that he's wrong. But
meanwhile those people are deported, gone, lost, disappeared, and like
(38:29):
you say, who knows what has gone on with them?
And the effect that it has on the rest of
us is twofold. Some people will get mad and crazy
enough to get out and and do what ex military
people do, you know everything that everybody And that's the
(38:51):
danger that I want to move to is that we've
got people out here who've been trained to kill, trained
to kill, and they've been sent home and mistreated for
in some cases the entire time that they've been home,
and we've got a president and a system now that
is taking veterans very lightly misusing them homeless. We talk
(39:14):
about homeless people, we talk about people without services, we
talk about people who need medical services. And the veterans
that are people that have been trained to kill, are
being disturbed and left alone and still able to get guns.
(39:34):
And so the insurrection potential that mister Trump had actually
benefit from in terms of his my parent, my belief
of his apparent desire president for life, Emperor King President
King Trump. He benefits from an insurrection. He benefits from
(39:57):
people being responsive enough to go out and shoot somebody,
to go out and and cause the disruption that gives
him the right now to say, ah, there, it is
a state of emergency in the state of California, a
(40:17):
regional emergency, though they don't want federal judges to speak
at a federal level. A regional or very local emergency
will be enough for him to call a national emergency
and move toward calling for martial law. Does it Does
it meet all the standards?
Speaker 6 (40:37):
No?
Speaker 8 (40:37):
All the'se got to do is create that executive order
we're in we're in executive order territory. He doesn't have
to get things approved. He simply has to make a
declaration and and that's all that's been taking place since January.
We did, we don't. We haven't passed any new laws,
(40:57):
nothing has gone through. But look at what executive orders
have cost, the confusion, the chaos, the disruption, the economic
man it's for us to be sitting here telling people
you know you might be you might not to pay
attention to this potential takeover. And folks are saying, listen,
(41:21):
I can't buy eggs and grits, I can't afford bread,
and you're telling me to worry about some conspiracy that
you know, you and Hugh and a few other people
have come up with.
Speaker 10 (41:34):
But sadly wise you have to you have to be aware. Unfortunately,
our elected officials are leaders, right, community leaders. Those that
can't speak right, those that can't speak, those that are
are the position on the table. You can't just sit
(41:54):
silently there because those that can't in our community were
barely surviving, being able to pay, being able to afford,
you know, uh, to provide food on the table for
their families. They're not going to go out there and
be advocating for the constitutionality of a law. No, that's
why you need the attorneys, you need the community advocates.
(42:15):
You need the elected officials to do their job, because
if they think that somehow this man's gonna is going
to present independent I mean, what do you call it?
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (42:25):
And an independent sense of of of of of morality,
the man's not. Trump's not. He's already told us this,
and he knows that his little circle of friends are
getting rich off this Chao the stock market crash it was.
I mean, I don't know, that's not my area, but
I'll tell you this, and I'm sure it will someone
(42:47):
will show up and later be like, hey, they make
billions out of this and while you know, while I
was on Main Street, are barely getting by paying rents.
And that's the thing that really should be. So to
tell you what the ultimate benefit here, what we need
to do. We got to focus step by step, be aware.
Contact your local city elected official, ask him to have
(43:09):
an opposition to Trump. Speak up and making sure that
the next twenty twenty six congressional elections. I mean, that's
that's for the whole game. If we're able to stop
the congressional elections to sway to the Republicans, that we
can put some sort of stops because the Congress controls
the purse. If you able to do that, then at
least you have some steps to stop them. Well, look,
(43:32):
if you don't have that, then we are.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Sol strategy wise. I don't think we should allow it
to be broken down to simply between Democrats and Republicans.
I really, up to almost a couple of weeks ago,
I don't know. I wanted to not have to mention
his name because there are so many people who are
(43:55):
just absorbed by love and commitment and to his charisma.
And I can understand that. I've seen women and men
fall in love with people who were just rotten to
the core. And if you tell them that, you know,
if your best friend's got this girl, that's a guy
(44:19):
or whatever that you know is rotten to the court, Well,
how do you know they're rotten? Well, because as soon
as your friend turned their back, this loved one supposedly
was hitting on you, or you saw him hitting on
somebody else. How do you tell them? And if you do,
how what makes them believe you are You're just jealous?
(44:39):
So my strategy has been, well, let's let's go along
with right and wrong, let's look at what's legal and illegal.
But our courts have confused us on that, But I
still think that we have got to figure a way
to put this strategy forward in some manner that does
(45:02):
not automatically reject someone else simply because of the truth
or the position that we're taking. I think that the
house on fire, everyone says anybody in the house that's
on fire should get out, or that the fire should
(45:23):
be put out. I think that's a truth that most
people will agree with. But how do we frame what
we're talking about in a way that does not make
people automatically feel defensive or offensive with each other instead of,
(45:44):
you know, don't be mad at the player, be mad
at the game and the game we're in right now
of divide and conquer of wealth against poverty. Maybe that's
the way to look at it them that's gotten them today,
(46:06):
because it seems to be the beneficiaries of what we're
looking at is that the people who've got it want
to keep it and take not only keep what they've got,
take a little bit away from those who don't have it.
So that keep them so confused that they can't organize
the protest, can't organize who to ask for more, can't
organize to actually create more for themselves. I'm at an
(46:31):
impass with that part. I'm saying, gosh, I know we
need to grow gardens, but everybody, you know, at some
point it's going to share seats. What do we do?
How do we tell you?
Speaker 10 (46:41):
I will say one thing about the US versus day
and you know the folks, you know, regular folks versus
all the guards. It really is that way. And I say,
you know, my practice is the will at journey. I
do a lot of labor law, like lawsuits against discriminations,
right people who've been fired wrongly. Let me say this,
(47:02):
we are headed towards a very tough time in our
country and the world to be honestly for labor the right.
And I'm a big proponent of technology. Okay, so stay in.
But a artificial intelligence AI is gonna give this workforce
(47:25):
that's a country by color, you know, middle class workers,
a gut punch to a degree that we will never
I've never seen before. And add to that that there
will be a lot of people who will be displaced
by AI. And when you have a displacement of this
magnete like we see now with the Trump administration, letting
(47:48):
people go right, and they're pretty much getting replaced by AI.
You will see that in the next you know, a
couple of years, I would say two three years. In
the United States, this type of technology is being implemented
throughout all the Fortune five hundred companies throughout the country,
and then you have a president and a system that's
(48:09):
pretty much in the in the pay roll of these
billionaire oliguards. We're going to keep perpetuating that because they
want the people to be impoverished, They want the people
to be desperate, They want the people to literally be
on their knees and ask for a handout. Because when
they are like that, they realize that they have the
(48:30):
power and they could do whatever they want. So to
answer your question, but sooner or later, whether we like
it or not, we're all going to be on the
same side because the system is already pushing us to that. Well,
we've got to start thinking about it proactive.
Speaker 8 (48:43):
Well, at a certain point, you know, there's a value
to cheap labor, but you're pointing out that with AI
cheap labor it really has no point and no use.
The other thing about that, though, is does AI have
the ability to be a consumer? And that's the value
of people the people, because you can be the billionaire.
(49:05):
But you know, once you've been a billionaire and you've
got people kissing your elbows and doing everything you want
them to do, you need people around to do that.
Otherwise it's just, you know, what's the point of being
a billionaire if you don't have people kissing your elbows
and serving you and treating you like a billionaire? What
good does it do to be able to produce great
(49:28):
products if there's no one in a position to buy
them or use them, whether it's technology or tires for
a car, that can they afford to have. So we
have a social impasse here that it's a conflict of morals,
it's a conflict of possibilities, and what do we do?
(49:52):
I think I'd like to point something out. Last week
there were protests all over the country, protests against Trump
and his policies. Here in the city of San Bernardino,
there was a rally, had five six hundred people show up,
(50:15):
and it was a rally that was put together by
a group called Pastors United, diverse group of people, diverse churches,
and the kind of gathering that the politician just you
kind of like, you kind of like to see that
(50:38):
if you're going to get a chance to speak there,
because and if you get there and you weren't scheduled
to speak, you want to kind of step up and
see if you can get on the agenda. Gathering of
people demonstrating concern for each other, love for each other,
and respect for God seems to be a very powerful
(50:59):
thing that we tend to ignore as we go back
and look at the civil rights movement and see the
issue the things that occurred that made people move was
television coverage of the powerful resistance to civility that racists
(51:21):
were providing and putting on for show. Now they're trying
to control TV. But with social media, we have many
more abilities to see what's actually going on. People standing up,
people caring for each other, people demonstrating that four letter
(51:43):
word that's so critical, love for each other, respect for
our future, respect for our children, respect for our past.
I don't want to oversimplify it, because we can see
that our God is a very interesting god in that
(52:04):
you know that the thing is that if you believe
in God, you're not supposed to be afraid to die.
But I think most of us are looking for longevity.
And the thing that I would say is that if
we don't, excuse me, if we don't have something that
we are willing to die for, are we really living?
(52:28):
I was once told that would you kill somebody and
under what circumstances? Would you kill somebody because you hate them?
Or would you kill somebody because they were attempting to
kill something that you love. These are philosophical questions until
(52:53):
you look up and find that you are under attack,
that people are moving into your community and killing your children,
or convincing you your children to smoke cigarettes and drink
alcohol and use drugs that are going to kill them off.
And man, parents know how to step up after the
(53:17):
emergency occurse. I think what we're asking for is people
to be empathetic and look at the emergencies that have
occurred with other folk and realize that you're next if
you don't step up and do something.
Speaker 10 (53:31):
But it really starts to bring in the core level.
I do agree with you Wallace that it starts, you know,
at the more simplest terms man like love, man, luck,
and your family. It starts with responsible parents. It starts
raising your kids right to be you know, model citizens,
to be engaged in your community. Because I'll tell you
(53:52):
this as a parent myself. You know, I see you
know a lot of other parents man who or or
allowing TikTok to raise their kids, you know. And when
you're when those kids are being raised by someone else
and they don't have a history, a knowledge of the
(54:13):
struggles that their parents went through, their grandparents went through
to get where they're at right now, they lose sight
of what it needs to be done. I'm not saying
this is everybody, because I've seen, you know, the last
protest I saw in January twentieth and some of the
things I've seen around the country. A lot I see
a lot of youth, a lot of you know, a
lot of youth's out there. This is not everybody. But
(54:35):
in order for that youth to make these protests a movement,
a national movement, you got to get everybody on board.
And that does come from you know, from your family,
these conversations at the kitchen table, And we should ask
ourselves a big question, man, are our families even talking
to each other and discussing these topics? Right? And and
(54:57):
I mean I say it sadly, this is this is
a all walks of life, all racist, Okay, I mean
and I can only speak from my you know, Chicano
Latino experience, but I do see a lot of these
kids out here, and these parents like working two three jobs,
you know, literally two three jobs to make against meet.
There is no more a family unit to discuss any ideas.
(55:21):
They're just like surviving and they're just an autopilot, allowing
social media and you know, in television mostly social media
now to control the narrative and the narrative there as
we've seen through Facebook and TikTok after the selection. It
is to pacify us, keep us ignorant, and literally keep
(55:42):
our eyes down while there's this crisis taking place on
the rest of the country, because that's benefits only somebody,
I mean speaking with you know Facebook. You know I
use Facebook, and I'll tell you this, I've never seen
so many advertisements right wing propaganda being pushed at me
(56:03):
through our Facebook. I never see, you know, Hey, did
you like Trump? Did you like this? And it's part
of a game to pacify the youth. And it all
can all be fixed and resolved by you know. I mean,
it's easier said done, the reminding the parents and the
families that hey, man, take care of yours let them
know about where they're at, where they come from. Let
(56:24):
them know that they feel loved so they can engage
with you rather than engage with their cell phone.
Speaker 8 (56:29):
Yeah. That that When we say love, I guess we
have to define it. It's simply it means participate. It
means you to demonstrate interest, have interest. It means to
reach out. It needs to know to sincerely want to
know what's going on in other people's lives. We need
to know who lives across the street, down the street,
around the corner. We need to have the ability to
(56:53):
knock on the door or accept a knock on the door,
and be and be sensitive to the need of others.
We cannot allow the classification of black, white, brown, yellow
to decide who we're going to function with. We have
to use another level of glue to determine it. We
(57:19):
have to I can like who likes me, but I'm
going to have to figure out how to deal with
those who don't like me in a way that I
would be comfortable with them dealing with me. I have
to treat others the way I want to be treated,
whether we are friends, associates, good buddies or not. Because
(57:43):
we are sharing the same bathroom called earth, and we
have to take turns. We have to take consideration about
the resources. We can't ignore each other's presence. Somehow we've
been pushed into believing that we can and not only
(58:04):
ignore each other's presence, but push each other aside. And
that's if we see that on the highways, we see
that standing in line, so we see that in and
it's something that individually we have to deal with. U.
This is the quickest hour on radio, turning salads. I'm
(58:26):
gonna give you thirty seconds to close out, and then
I'm gonna say my final out.
Speaker 10 (58:31):
I'll say it to everybody, you know, take care of
your family, take care of your community. We're not installated.
We're gonna be, you know, aheaded. Obviously some tough times
with these charits in this administration. But don't lose hope
because the same way you know, people lost hope in
the past. If not, thing's gonna get passed because the
civil rights back, because I mean even the electional Press
(58:52):
former President Obama meant it happened by people who believe
and who have the passion and who have the love
and the conviction to see a better few. I still
believe that even though the times of change, I believe
for better days. So just make sure to wake up
and get out there, because.
Speaker 8 (59:08):
That's that's the deal. And understand that our power is
generally described by the resistance. Our ability to solve a
problem is going to be decided by the power of
the problem. We've got enough of a problem out here
to become great as we prove that the problems are
(59:30):
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Attorney Hugo Salazar. I'm asking the question to you as
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a general listener, public listening public, but I also have
my expert, who can you know, lead us down the
path to hopefully some type of answer and understanding of
not just a problem, but the solution and a path,
a path to comfort because we are inundated with chaos
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and confusion. The question is Trump manipulating his way to
declaring martial law. He is placing troops on the southern
border in the name of a fictional invasion. The court
is allowing him to use the Alien Enemies Act to
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deport immigrants, documented or not, people that he simply declares
to be invaders and therefore proof of a war. War
justifies an emergency declaration, which opens the door to martial
law and his apparent ultimate dream status of president for life.
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He has started so many fires of distraction that I
fear we are ignoring his most dangerous plot. There is
increasing chaos and confusion caused by his assault on the economy,
social security, Medicare, Medicaid, education, foreign relations, etc. Etc. This
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engineered chaos will fan the flames of resistance protests will increase,
adding to the probability of a protest being described vibed
simply described by him as an insurrection. Attorney sellers our HUGO,
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please tell me this scenario cannot happen. And how are you?
God bless you.
Speaker 10 (10:18):
I'm don't want God bless you, God blessed everybody. I'm
gonna I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm gonna I'm
gonna tell you something right here that is very very
you know, alarming. Okay, So, and I'm gonna answer you
a question. I got my parental legal and my former colleague.
We were we were we were attorneys working together out
on the Southern Board in twenty eighteen. I gotta tell
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you this, this guy's crazy. This president is crazy. He
got a notification on Thursday night from cdpiece.
Speaker 13 (10:48):
Official official website email notifying him these two folks that
their citizenship status is no longer valid, that they're no
longer here legally in the United States.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
These are attorney friends.
Speaker 10 (11:06):
These are attorneys, attorney friends who I verified and saw
their emails and they get this email notifying it that
their constitutional right of being a US citizen. These are
people born here in United States. Third generation Mexican American
folks are telling them you gotta leave. So that's the craziness.
But I'll ask you, but I wanted to start off
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with that crazy topic to tell you this Trump, King
Trump as he wants to call himself, is crazy.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
Well now right there, pointing out once again we as
a people. Human nature often tells folks that they're secure
as long as these issues are affecting other people. So
as long as the title immigrant and illegal immigrant is past,
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there's some false sense of security to other citizens that believe,
for whatever reason, that it will only happen to them.
But you have just described a situation where third generation
Americans are being told that they are no longer citizens
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and that they have to leave the country.
Speaker 10 (12:25):
In seven days.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
This is Attorney Hugo Cells are of San Diego area, correct,
I mean, this is not a scam. This ain't a
This is not a scam like they.
Speaker 10 (12:36):
Call no no. This is our a sitting president telling
citizens that they don't perceive their citizenship as a valid
citizenship status. That's the world we live in and they're
starting first. And I don't wait to detrave for your question, Wallace,
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but I want to make sure put this out. But
they're starting first to set the legal framework and the
political narrative to attack the most vulnerable, the legally less protected,
the immigrants, the sun um seekers, and then they're going
to start moving on forward to applying this to the
US citizens. And then they're going to start going out
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to applying these same policies as we were all you know,
attorneys that were working out on the border, enforcing the
rule of law by literally asking our government to follow
the law. And now I can I can assure you
sure as it's some will rise. If they're coming after
the US citizens' attorneys for these positions, you better believe
who's next. Everybody's next. So that's why this thing is
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not just something that affects some people. It affects all
of us. But I wanted to answer your question because
there's some particular legal uh term of our uh term
of our definitions that we need to talk about, to
talk about whether you know, what what allows King Trump
is the ability for him to declare martial law. So
you know, but I don't want to move away from
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that topic.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
Everything, everything that you've said is in topic because we
are once again alerting people. It's like a fire, you go.
If we don't let people know that the house is
on fire, they are going to be in a position
to say, well, you know, this is how Hitler in
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Germany took over. People sat by thinking that, well, it's
gonna only be them. Well, he's not that serious. Maybe
we should simply h you know, kind of ignore some
of these signs there because no one could be that.
But we find that he is. The Idea of being
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that way is one thing, but having the ability and
influence to make and we're being called for a brick.
But you know, last week my whole topic was about
the importance of is it more important for profit or
for people? And we're going to go the people way.
So I'm going to melt this this announcement out and
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announce what the people need to know, and that's that
we have a problem. We have congress people, we have
people who are over agencies that are now telling us
that hey, if you want to vote, you're going to
have to go get a birth certificate, You're going to
have to get proof, you're going to have to carry
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something that we used to laugh about as we watch
these old movies in the fifties, where's your papers? Where's
your papers? First thing that, where's your papers? And we'd say, oh,
in America, we don't have to carry papers. But no,
we got it. We have to do that. But yes,
it's important for us to understand that there is a
thing called martial law that gives the president tremendous powers.
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I don't even know the extent of them, but there
are some steps that and some things that need to
occur for him to be able to do that. One
of them is an emergency. But let me put that
back into your hands. I want people to hear this
from an attorney, someone that is not as emotional as
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I am.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
I don't know. I don't know what to tell you.
What I am as emotional, probably more so, I'll tell you,
but i'll tell you.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Regards more then your case. We're going to call it passion.
Speaker 10 (16:24):
Okay, yes, passion, because you can't be And I'll tell
you this, in this day and age, under this law,
under this regime, if you don't have if you're not
upset about what's going on, if you're not awake about
what's going on. Then what are you doing. You're just
a passive onlooker supporting this president, so called president from
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taking the rights from all of us.
Speaker 8 (16:49):
Well, he is a president. He is a president, you know,
let's let's say that because I've heard that. I've heard
people say, well, you know, he's a president. Well, yeah
he is. But he's not the king, he's not the emperor.
He's not in charge of as much as he would
have you believe. So, yeah, he's the president. So let's
define that, and let's look at what that's supposed to be.
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It's not supposed to be the king with no clothes,
the emperor wearing no clothes. But yes, let's get back
to the martial.
Speaker 10 (17:19):
Martial law generally is a term of art that's referred
to military control by Trump and his cronies over like
your very basic civilian functions, like over court proceedings, meaning
that he in a nutshell, he takes over and he
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can detain anybody, detain anybody, and there are no This
old Latin term called risk of habeas corpus, meaning that
no civil attorney or criminal law attorney can file claims
with both the federal or the day court essentially federal
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in this case, to ask that the government released someone
because there's a broken law, which we in fact, i'll
tell you a little later, we did use many withsmas
abas corpuses during the two thousand and sixty twenty the
truck regime to get people out of detention. But in
martial law is implying that you're seizing all rights, all
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civil law rights for people to get out of detention,
to be able to have a court proceeding because of
Trump's or in this case, the presidency is saying this
is national emergency. The Constitution is not necessarily defined, and
these circumstances only occurred in very limited insist beside during
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the Civil War. But the limitations of martial law does
the president does not have the power, unilarity, to declare
martial law or to spend the constitution. And see in essence,
by this old case and back in eighteen sixty six
that we all learned in law school that it was,
you know, just a footnote that we thought we're never
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going to be reading about or using in law. But
now in a loan behold twenty twenty five, we are
thinking about it. Martial law. Essentially through this case called
X part in Milligan, martial law cannot be imposed where
courts are operating a civil law and functioning, is in
essence saying you just can't apply it. But under this
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thing called the National Emergencies fact or the Insurrection Act,
a president can use emergency powers. But those powers are
not unlimited. They're not unlimited, and they're subject to this
key point legal challenges and the congressional oversight, and that
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for all of us, it's a little bit concerning because
if we don't got a Congress that has a backbone,
or we got courts that are bending over for Trump
in trouble, these declarations can allow a military group where
Trump's little guestapo, to support law enforcement, Okay, to act
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as police, but it's not a full military Let.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
Me let me slow you down here just for a moment. Yes,
And that part of my question was, is he manipulating
his way into the path to that state of emergency
and the ability to declare that and to move toward
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martial law we just described, You just described a compromised legislature,
a compromised congress, a compromised court system, a total compromising
of people of so called authority at the agency level.
He has fired any general who has a real general
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sense of understanding of what their responsibilities are as military
and has replaced them with people who are, oh puppets,
people who will do whatever they need to do to
please mister Trump, to please the so called quote unquote
the president. So it appears that he is manipulating. He
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has set the stage. And that's what we're talking about.
People are they Are they paying attention.
Speaker 10 (21:37):
He's telling us the recipe, telling us. The concern is
not just a Trump, it's acting a fool is whatever
normally he is normally. The concern is that we have
an erosion, an erosion of the systems of checks and
balances that we're supposed to stop these wanna be kings
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from doing these types of behaviors. That's the reason why
this country was founded, to develop a system of checks
and balances. But when you regulate how the federal course
can impose injunctions, as it just did the Congress, yes
that it just passed a law that has to get ratified.
The limits injunctions to a national novel, meaning that you
can't if the laws of constitution, they just can't fly
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the rest of the country. They only apply to the
specific area there. And the fact that we don't have
a Congress that clearly cares about the constitutional protections for
every single American throughout the country.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
You're talking about federal judges being limited to having regional
decisions as opposed to federal decisions, and that belies the
whole purpose and even the titling of who these judges are.
And the thing that we are looking at is I
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think there's a word that we need to put into
the recipe here, and that's audacity. Because we've had presidents
I guess he's number forty seven or forty six twice,
forty five twice and yeah.
Speaker 14 (23:13):
Yeah, and to have audacity to do things that no
one else not only has ever done, but even discussed
to do.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Now, we did have a three term president, but somehow,
once again we're looking at charisma and we're not looking
at I mean, as we look at Roosevelt's reign, we
see a level of cooperation in growth, and of course
you had war that made that occur, and he served
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two terms and his third term was taken over by
I think mister Truman. So we have we have a
history of it but once again, when that his term
is over, Congress came immediately to the table and said
into law a statute as opposed to an attitude that
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says a president should only serve two terms, but a
statute that says a president should only serve two terms.
So with that audacity, we see a man who had
something that most presidents hadn't the ability to deal with,
and that was four years on and four years off
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to figure out how to go back in and really
do the damage or take over the way he wanted
to do it, and under the influence and the threat
of going to jail if he didn't win. And I
think this is something that his motivation to be king.
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Is it to be king or is it to be
a free man out of jail? And if he's going
to be out of gail, he's definitely want to be
wants to be in charge. Now, one thing that I'd
like to say about this man is that I don't
think he's crazy. I think he constantly is giving us
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the crazy tests. How crazy are we the people to
allow him to do what he wants to do? And
we find that this man has a charm about him
that when people who haven't been around him. Bill Meyer
was with him last week at a dinner. Bill Meyer
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talked about Trump like he had four tails in thirteen
ears that didn't work. And he sat down had dinner
with him, and he comes back praising Trump's personality. How
nice the guy is? He actually laughs. The man has charisma,
There's no doubt about it. He has the ability to
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charm uh any, apparently anyone that he can sit down with.
Uh So, I think there's a danger in in not
giving him the respect of that you would give give
a what's that dragon that if he was to kiss you,
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he'd actually kill you, that commot dragon?
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Yeah, dragon? Respect He is that he does he warrants.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
So with with that, you know, this is this is
our problem. Our problem is that we have a super
smooth operator that's moving yes, and and and he is
motivated to do things that no one else in his
position has ever done.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
I want to say about the Korean drisma like this man.
I mean, it's a symptom of a man, all right.
This man is a symptom of what unfortunately a large
portion of Americans belief, racism, sexism, I mean, over over blame,
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you know, criminal behavior, it's something that's not only tolerated
but encouraged his followers is like a coult. All right,
I'll tell you one of the things that we should
be concerned about is not only does national injunctions thing
limiting national injunctions, but the fact that this president is
using these things called I mean essentially laws that are
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targeting people or law firms in this case. Historically, the
constitution limits they're called bills of attain. They're like laws
targeting certain people. The Congress can't do that, right because
that was the fear when the founding founder started this country.
But it's not limiting to the executive branch. So the
executive branch is calling out and targeting these law firms
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and these individuals as a political end up. And what
that does it silences the lawyers. Back in twenty eighteen,
when we used to when I used to work for
a nonprofit in the border where we used to campaign
and do actual losses against the Trump administration for national injunctions,
particularly for some of the silent stuff that we did.
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You know who used to help us. It was the large, big,
you know, uh, you know, top law firms in the country.
Because they're doing these pro bono hours backing up because
some of these people had a conscience because they saw, hey,
this is bad, backing us up. But now that Trump
is using his positions start charging law firms, he's essentially
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silencing the opposite, the legal opposition.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Worse than that, he's not simply silencing them, he's obligating
them to do pro bone homework for the government.
Speaker 10 (28:52):
That is directly saying, hey, man, you know what, if
there is an actual campaign legal capinic has me, I'm
gonna send out my attorneys to do that. And that
should be very concerning because I remember the last you know,
the last time we had conversations about whether a human
being is a human being is a citizen. You know,
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it's eerily to a lot of these old positions where
you didn't think people were, you know, we're human beings,
just citizen in this country. And we should be concerned.
The Canary and the and the coal mine is.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Dead, screaming, screaming, screaming anymore. It's dead.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
They just got to dangly out there. And we should
be concerned that our elected officials, through the Congress and Senate,
is allowing this man to destroy this country. And I
not being an alarmist, but when I saw my colleague
receive an email from someone to you know, from learning
from CVP saying and this is not just us. There
was a couple I didn't get it one to be clearer,
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so these are just colleagues and ex colleagues, but some
other individuals throughout the country who were immigration attorneys were
getting the these also these emails. If you start making
you think you know what they're sending, these types of
these types of announcements to leave immediately because they're using
El Salvador, the Salvador prison. There's no regulation, god knows
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whe they're at as a way to not only starlence
them but take them out. Because if someone is picked
up and they're being sent to a Salvador, you tell
me who's protecting them.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
Oh, no, one's protecting them. But let's enlarge on who's
actually in charge of that. That's American taxpayer money that's
found that's contracted El Salvador.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Three hundred million dollars for two hundred and fifty deteenees.
Think about that. That's one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
That's almost as ridiculous as the money that we waste
on fixing the so called homeless problem as opposed to
helping people, we end up.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
Helping helping Uh oh wall you open you another.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
I know. But it's the kind of thing that I
want to point to that we have so many concerns
that when he throws a match over on any of
these concerns and sets it on fire, like Okay, social Security,
I'm not gonna take the money away. I'm just gonna
fire everybody that facilitates you getting it. Oh, health care,
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no problem, we can keep health care. I'm just gonna
fire all of the people that facilitate you getting it.
We're gonna education and research. Oh yeah, that's important. We
should keep that up. Except I'm gonna I'm gonna dismiss
all of the grants and funds that are available to
the colleges and the research companies that we have funded
to help make America the greatest place, or the strongest place,
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or the most intellectual site. But we lose that. And
I say manipulate because he moves like he's just moved
through us our Congress. One of the first things that
we note is that a president is not allowed to
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use his position to make money in the name of
the people that he puts in his pocket. Never had
big issues with that. And as soon as Trump came
in and they say, well, okay, put your money in
a trust to count and come forward and you know,
declare yourself. No, no, homeboy doesn't do that. He goes
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out and puts his name on caps, sells caps and
shirts and toilet paper with his name on it and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
I'm just is a grifters, a snake oil spellman.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
But he's but his team. Now, now the thing, Now, okay,
here's the deal. Do I blame the grifter for being
a grifter or do I blame security for ignoring the
fact that they let a grifter in whose identification card said, grifter,
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whose background checks at, grifter whose whole concept and interview
process says, I'm going to do what I can to
make me a better man, stronger than you, and all
your money and my money and your money too. This
is what we're looking at. But we want to talk
about him, But as we look at our solution, our
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solution has almost nothing to do with him. It has
to do with people that we have elected and trusted
and who were in office before him. Simply standing up,
simply doing what. I can't say that old word for word,
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but I know that it does not include, you know,
sticking your head up somebody else's attitude and doing their
you know, letting them be your puppeteer. These are these
are these are folks so solution wise, and this is
where we've got to go. There's no way in the
world that I want to leave you know, the fifteen
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million zillion people that are that should be listening without
some type of path to securing our future. And it's
our future, in the future of the world, future of
the planet. Future, what do we do?
Speaker 10 (34:30):
Wake up, get vote.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
Well, he's telling everybody to go to sleep. First thing
he's saying is woke is not good. I mean, I mean,
can you imagine when people accept a statement like woke
is not good and the only thing that is the
opposite of woke is sleep. Paying no attention, don't be alert,
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be dull, be submissive, don't be aggressive and worry for
the truth.
Speaker 10 (35:06):
Be passive onlookers, because onlookers as we have been look
during the Biden administration. I'll be frankly, I wasn't very
much involved in anything other than my practice and quite frankically,
now we have to demand more. We have to demand
more from our elected officials, because it's not just a
matter of tariffs crossing you more in the pocketbook. It's
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not just things like that, or but if the thing
about losing fundamental rights, fundamental rights where you have a
so called wanna be king essentially stripping the legal rights
of millions of people, because we didn't get a chance
to even talk about his desire to strip away I
mean to give immunity for police officers, I mean across
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the nation. I mean, who's that going to target? I
mean black and brown people. Beware, now you're going to
have a president who's going to escuse every single police
officer with a badge and the gun the green light
to do whatever they want without any consequences.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
And I mean, right now, right now, that's pretty much
the case. You know, a city has to be separate
it more well, the city has to separate itself from
the conduct of a policeman in order for you know,
the city to not be held liable. But they're always
going to be held liable the city that hires him.
So if Trump steps in and and the you and
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takes the position of super union, because the unions are
the ones that have kept police from being prosecuted for
their for their obvious wrongdoings. And certainly, I'm not against
unions at all, but I am against stupidity, and that's
what we're talking about.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
I'm not against unions either, but I'm more for the
victim who've been struggled and who have been shot, and
who have been hunted out. But I'll tell you this,
what about I have this case, because I've talked about
this specificate word case. What about if a if a
client has been illegally deported back, you know, to the
respective country. I had a I have a client who
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was This client was not in a civil case of me,
but she was a client. You know. She got picked
up at three p I'm sorry, at three pm, at
twelve pm from Anaheim and got sent to Mexico by
six pm. No no judge, no detention, no no word said,
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just picked up and sent back. And this I'm not
talking about just some recent arrival. This lady was a
pregnant mother who's been here since she was three years old.
So let's think about that. If they're sending people back,
and I mean, where's their ability to be able to
enforce the law civilly here in the United States. They
ain't gonna do it. That's what I'm trying to convey.
He's setting the mechanism in play to be able to
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mass support anybody, immigrant, citizen, police, opponent, so that he
sets up the legal framework so that he can violent
people's rights so they won't be able to defend themselves.
Speaker 8 (38:07):
Or stack or stacks stacks the courts up with so
much of a backlog of incidents like this, allowing the
courts to move slowly to announce that he's wrong. But
meanwhile those people are deported, gone, lost, disappeared, and like
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you say, who knows what has gone on with them?
And the effect that it has on the rest of
us is twofold. Some people will get mad and crazy
enough to get out and and do what ex military
people do, you know everything that everybody And that's the
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danger that I want to move to is that we've
got people out here who've been trained to kill, trained
to kill, and they've been sent home and mistreated for
in some cases the entire time that they've been home,
and we've got a president and a system now that
is taking veterans very lightly misusing them homeless. We talk
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about homeless people, we talk about people without services, we
talk about people who need medical services. And the veterans
that are people that have been trained to kill, are
being disturbed and left alone and still able to get guns.
(39:34):
And so the insurrection potential that mister Trump had actually
benefit from in terms of his my parent, my belief
of his apparent desire president for life, Emperor King President
King Trump. He benefits from an insurrection. He benefits from
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people being responsive enough to go out and shoot somebody,
to go out and and cause the disruption that gives
him the right now to say, ah, there, it is
a state of emergency in the state of California, a
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regional emergency, though they don't want federal judges to speak
at a federal level. A regional or very local emergency
will be enough for him to call a national emergency
and move toward calling for martial law. Does it Does
it meet all the standards?
Speaker 6 (40:37):
No?
Speaker 8 (40:37):
All the'se got to do is create that executive order
we're in we're in executive order territory. He doesn't have
to get things approved. He simply has to make a
declaration and and that's all that's been taking place since January.
We did, we don't. We haven't passed any new laws,
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nothing has gone through. But look at what executive orders
have cost, the confusion, the chaos, the disruption, the economic
man it's for us to be sitting here telling people
you know you might be you might not to pay
attention to this potential takeover. And folks are saying, listen,
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I can't buy eggs and grits, I can't afford bread,
and you're telling me to worry about some conspiracy that
you know, you and Hugh and a few other people
have come up with.
Speaker 10 (41:34):
But sadly wise you have to you have to be aware. Unfortunately,
our elected officials are leaders, right, community leaders. Those that
can't speak right, those that can't speak, those that are
are the position on the table. You can't just sit
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silently there because those that can't in our community were
barely surviving, being able to pay, being able to afford,
you know, uh, to provide food on the table for
their families. They're not going to go out there and
be advocating for the constitutionality of a law. No, that's
why you need the attorneys, you need the community advocates.
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You need the elected officials to do their job, because
if they think that somehow this man's gonna is going
to present independent I mean, what do you call it?
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (42:25):
And an independent sense of of of of of morality,
the man's not. Trump's not. He's already told us this,
and he knows that his little circle of friends are
getting rich off this Chao the stock market crash it was.
I mean, I don't know, that's not my area, but
I'll tell you this, and I'm sure it will someone
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will show up and later be like, hey, they make
billions out of this and while you know, while I
was on Main Street, are barely getting by paying rents.
And that's the thing that really should be. So to
tell you what the ultimate benefit here, what we need
to do. We got to focus step by step, be aware.
Contact your local city elected official, ask him to have
(43:09):
an opposition to Trump. Speak up and making sure that
the next twenty twenty six congressional elections. I mean, that's
that's for the whole game. If we're able to stop
the congressional elections to sway to the Republicans, that we
can put some sort of stops because the Congress controls
the purse. If you able to do that, then at
least you have some steps to stop them. Well, look,
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if you don't have that, then we are.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Sol strategy wise. I don't think we should allow it
to be broken down to simply between Democrats and Republicans.
I really, up to almost a couple of weeks ago,
I don't know. I wanted to not have to mention
his name because there are so many people who are
(43:55):
just absorbed by love and commitment and to his charisma.
And I can understand that. I've seen women and men
fall in love with people who were just rotten to
the core. And if you tell them that, you know,
if your best friend's got this girl, that's a guy
(44:19):
or whatever that you know is rotten to the court, Well,
how do you know they're rotten? Well, because as soon
as your friend turned their back, this loved one supposedly
was hitting on you, or you saw him hitting on
somebody else. How do you tell them? And if you do,
how what makes them believe you are You're just jealous?
(44:39):
So my strategy has been, well, let's let's go along
with right and wrong, let's look at what's legal and illegal.
But our courts have confused us on that, But I
still think that we have got to figure a way
to put this strategy forward in some manner that does
(45:02):
not automatically reject someone else simply because of the truth
or the position that we're taking. I think that the
house on fire, everyone says anybody in the house that's
on fire should get out, or that the fire should
(45:23):
be put out. I think that's a truth that most
people will agree with. But how do we frame what
we're talking about in a way that does not make
people automatically feel defensive or offensive with each other instead of,
(45:44):
you know, don't be mad at the player, be mad
at the game and the game we're in right now
of divide and conquer of wealth against poverty. Maybe that's
the way to look at it them that's gotten them today,
(46:06):
because it seems to be the beneficiaries of what we're
looking at is that the people who've got it want
to keep it and take not only keep what they've got,
take a little bit away from those who don't have it.
So that keep them so confused that they can't organize
the protest, can't organize who to ask for more, can't
organize to actually create more for themselves. I'm at an
(46:31):
impass with that part. I'm saying, gosh, I know we
need to grow gardens, but everybody, you know, at some
point it's going to share seats. What do we do?
How do we tell you?
Speaker 10 (46:41):
I will say one thing about the US versus day
and you know the folks, you know, regular folks versus
all the guards. It really is that way. And I say,
you know, my practice is the will at journey. I
do a lot of labor law, like lawsuits against discriminations,
right people who've been fired wrongly. Let me say this,
(47:02):
we are headed towards a very tough time in our
country and the world to be honestly for labor the right.
And I'm a big proponent of technology. Okay, so stay in.
But a artificial intelligence AI is gonna give this workforce
(47:25):
that's a country by color, you know, middle class workers,
a gut punch to a degree that we will never
I've never seen before. And add to that that there
will be a lot of people who will be displaced
by AI. And when you have a displacement of this
magnete like we see now with the Trump administration, letting
(47:48):
people go right, and they're pretty much getting replaced by AI.
You will see that in the next you know, a
couple of years, I would say two three years. In
the United States, this type of technology is being implemented
throughout all the Fortune five hundred companies throughout the country,
and then you have a president and a system that's
(48:09):
pretty much in the in the pay roll of these
billionaire oliguards. We're going to keep perpetuating that because they
want the people to be impoverished, They want the people
to be desperate, They want the people to literally be
on their knees and ask for a handout. Because when
they are like that, they realize that they have the
(48:30):
power and they could do whatever they want. So to
answer your question, but sooner or later, whether we like
it or not, we're all going to be on the
same side because the system is already pushing us to that. Well,
we've got to start thinking about it proactive.
Speaker 8 (48:43):
Well, at a certain point, you know, there's a value
to cheap labor, but you're pointing out that with AI
cheap labor it really has no point and no use.
The other thing about that, though, is does AI have
the ability to be a consumer? And that's the value
of people the people, because you can be the billionaire.
(49:05):
But you know, once you've been a billionaire and you've
got people kissing your elbows and doing everything you want
them to do, you need people around to do that.
Otherwise it's just, you know, what's the point of being
a billionaire if you don't have people kissing your elbows
and serving you and treating you like a billionaire? What
good does it do to be able to produce great
(49:28):
products if there's no one in a position to buy
them or use them, whether it's technology or tires for
a car, that can they afford to have. So we
have a social impasse here that it's a conflict of morals,
it's a conflict of possibilities, and what do we do?
(49:52):
I think I'd like to point something out. Last week
there were protests all over the country, protests against Trump
and his policies. Here in the city of San Bernardino,
there was a rally, had five six hundred people show up,
(50:15):
and it was a rally that was put together by
a group called Pastors United, diverse group of people, diverse churches,
and the kind of gathering that the politician just you
kind of like, you kind of like to see that
(50:38):
if you're going to get a chance to speak there,
because and if you get there and you weren't scheduled
to speak, you want to kind of step up and
see if you can get on the agenda. Gathering of
people demonstrating concern for each other, love for each other,
and respect for God seems to be a very powerful
(50:59):
thing that we tend to ignore as we go back
and look at the civil rights movement and see the
issue the things that occurred that made people move was
television coverage of the powerful resistance to civility that racists
(51:21):
were providing and putting on for show. Now they're trying
to control TV. But with social media, we have many
more abilities to see what's actually going on. People standing up,
people caring for each other, people demonstrating that four letter
(51:43):
word that's so critical, love for each other, respect for
our future, respect for our children, respect for our past.
I don't want to oversimplify it, because we can see
that our God is a very interesting god in that
(52:04):
you know that the thing is that if you believe
in God, you're not supposed to be afraid to die.
But I think most of us are looking for longevity.
And the thing that I would say is that if
we don't, excuse me, if we don't have something that
we are willing to die for, are we really living?
(52:28):
I was once told that would you kill somebody and
under what circumstances? Would you kill somebody because you hate them?
Or would you kill somebody because they were attempting to
kill something that you love. These are philosophical questions until
(52:53):
you look up and find that you are under attack,
that people are moving into your community and killing your children,
or convincing you your children to smoke cigarettes and drink
alcohol and use drugs that are going to kill them off.
And man, parents know how to step up after the
(53:17):
emergency occurse. I think what we're asking for is people
to be empathetic and look at the emergencies that have
occurred with other folk and realize that you're next if
you don't step up and do something.
Speaker 10 (53:31):
But it really starts to bring in the core level.
I do agree with you Wallace that it starts, you know,
at the more simplest terms man like love, man, luck,
and your family. It starts with responsible parents. It starts
raising your kids right to be you know, model citizens,
to be engaged in your community. Because I'll tell you
(53:52):
this as a parent myself. You know, I see you
know a lot of other parents man who or or
allowing TikTok to raise their kids, you know. And when
you're when those kids are being raised by someone else
and they don't have a history, a knowledge of the
(54:13):
struggles that their parents went through, their grandparents went through
to get where they're at right now, they lose sight
of what it needs to be done. I'm not saying
this is everybody, because I've seen, you know, the last
protest I saw in January twentieth and some of the
things I've seen around the country. A lot I see
a lot of youth, a lot of you know, a
lot of youth's out there. This is not everybody. But
(54:35):
in order for that youth to make these protests a movement,
a national movement, you got to get everybody on board.
And that does come from you know, from your family,
these conversations at the kitchen table, And we should ask
ourselves a big question, man, are our families even talking
to each other and discussing these topics? Right? And and
(54:57):
I mean I say it sadly, this is this is
a all walks of life, all racist, Okay, I mean
and I can only speak from my you know, Chicano
Latino experience, but I do see a lot of these
kids out here, and these parents like working two three jobs,
you know, literally two three jobs to make against meet.
There is no more a family unit to discuss any ideas.
(55:21):
They're just like surviving and they're just an autopilot, allowing
social media and you know, in television mostly social media
now to control the narrative and the narrative there as
we've seen through Facebook and TikTok after the selection. It
is to pacify us, keep us ignorant, and literally keep
(55:42):
our eyes down while there's this crisis taking place on
the rest of the country, because that's benefits only somebody,
I mean speaking with you know Facebook. You know I
use Facebook, and I'll tell you this, I've never seen
so many advertisements right wing propaganda being pushed at me
(56:03):
through our Facebook. I never see, you know, Hey, did
you like Trump? Did you like this? And it's part
of a game to pacify the youth. And it all
can all be fixed and resolved by you know. I mean,
it's easier said done, the reminding the parents and the
families that hey, man, take care of yours let them
know about where they're at, where they come from. Let
(56:24):
them know that they feel loved so they can engage
with you rather than engage with their cell phone.
Speaker 8 (56:29):
Yeah. That that When we say love, I guess we
have to define it. It's simply it means participate. It
means you to demonstrate interest, have interest. It means to
reach out. It needs to know to sincerely want to
know what's going on in other people's lives. We need
to know who lives across the street, down the street,
around the corner. We need to have the ability to
(56:53):
knock on the door or accept a knock on the door,
and be and be sensitive to the need of others.
We cannot allow the classification of black, white, brown, yellow
to decide who we're going to function with. We have
to use another level of glue to determine it. We
(57:19):
have to I can like who likes me, but I'm
going to have to figure out how to deal with
those who don't like me in a way that I
would be comfortable with them dealing with me. I have
to treat others the way I want to be treated,
whether we are friends, associates, good buddies or not. Because
(57:43):
we are sharing the same bathroom called earth, and we
have to take turns. We have to take consideration about
the resources. We can't ignore each other's presence. Somehow we've
been pushed into believing that we can and not only
(58:04):
ignore each other's presence, but push each other aside. And
that's if we see that on the highways, we see
that standing in line, so we see that in and
it's something that individually we have to deal with. U.
This is the quickest hour on radio, turning salads. I'm
(58:26):
gonna give you thirty seconds to close out, and then
I'm gonna say my final out.
Speaker 10 (58:31):
I'll say it to everybody, you know, take care of
your family, take care of your community. We're not installated.
We're gonna be, you know, aheaded. Obviously some tough times
with these charits in this administration. But don't lose hope
because the same way you know, people lost hope in
the past. If not, thing's gonna get passed because the
civil rights back, because I mean even the electional Press
(58:52):
former President Obama meant it happened by people who believe
and who have the passion and who have the love
and the conviction to see a better few. I still
believe that even though the times of change, I believe
for better days. So just make sure to wake up
and get out there, because.
Speaker 8 (59:08):
That's that's the deal. And understand that our power is
generally described by the resistance. Our ability to solve a
problem is going to be decided by the power of
the problem. We've got enough of a problem out here
to become great as we prove that the problems are
(59:30):
not bigger than our ability to solve them. This is
Empire Talks back on Wallace Allen on the case for
truth and justice. And I'm depending on you to do
your part. See you guys next week under two circumstances.
One if the Good Lord's willing to if the creek
don't rise. Next week is Easter. Prepare yourself glory and
(59:52):
the glory of God, and we'll see
Speaker 12 (59:54):
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