KCAA: The Empire Talks Back with Wallace Allen (Sun, 20 Jul, 2025)

KCAA: The Empire Talks Back with Wallace Allen on Sun, 20 Jul, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
For PCAA ten fifty AM NBC News Radio and Express
one of six point five FM. Reconstruction of the Mount
Vernon Avenue Bridge across the BNSF rail Yards in sam
Bernardino is nearly completed. The original eighty six year old
bridge was closed in twenty twenty over concerns of earthquake
vulnerability and was demolished. The reconstruction has reconnected the southern

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and northern sections of San Bernardino's west side. The bridge
is a vidal link for residents, visitors, students, and businesses.
A ribbon cutting is planned on August twenty third. A
two and a half month long investigation has cleared football
Hall of Famer John Alway of any wrongdoing in a
golf cart accident that killed his longtime agent Jeffrey Sperbeck,

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sixty two, died April thirtieth of injuries he suffered four
days earlier in Lakita. Sheriff's investigation have termed the incident
a tragic accident with no evidence of criminal activity or intent.
Sperbeck reportedly fell from the golf cart that Elway was driving.
The California Department of Education says a number of students

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experiencing homelessness rose by almost twenty thousand in twenty twenty four.
This is the highest rate of student homelessness in a decade.
The numbers vary widely among school districts. Students are considered
homeless if they lack a regular and adequate night time residence.
This includes those who are living on the streets, in shelters,
in motels, in cars are doubled up with other families

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due to economic hardship. Whether in the Ilan Empire, about
the same as yesterday with highs in the high eighties
and overnight lows in the low sixties. For NBC News
Radio KCAA ten fifty A M and Express one of
six point five FM, I'm Liian Vasquez and Europe to date,
KCAA keeping California alert and aware.

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Speaker 6 (06:20):
When around the movie that.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Includes the people that that are going the wrong way
as well as the people that are going the.

Speaker 9 (06:34):
Right way, you know, stopping us.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Now listen, this is Empire talks back on Wallace Halling
here on the case for truth justice with the right
information to help improve the situation. I am anxious to
talk to you guys today. I'm telling you I have
been waiting for three four days because of a conversation
I had about three or four days ago with one
of my respected friends. You know, he's not a laker,

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and but that doesn't matter. I still respect him and
love him. He's also not a fan necessarily of straight
ahead logic, but I still love him. He's a friend
of mine, he said. As I was discussing the immigration issues,
the uh over abundance of ice that's spilling our glass
over and he says, but they're illegal and they're taking

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our jobs. I said, wait, wait, wait a minute, what
are you talking about. He says, these people are illegal,
they're supposed to get arrested and deported because they don't
belong here. I said, but wait, wait a minute, and
are we just talking about criminals and and and and
people who are really raising hell and doing antisocial things.

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He's he says, everybody that's not here legally. That's if
they're undocumented. They're not supposed to be here, and they're
and they should be deported. And I said, wall, wait
a minute, what about the people who've been here fifteen
twenty years, and you know, there's there. They're contributing to society.
They're working, they're paying tax, and sometimes they're paying Social

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Security and something they'll never get back, but they're contributing it.
And they've the law knows they're here. They've been here,
they haven't been running away.

Speaker 9 (08:24):
So why what makes today so different from yesterday?

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Except for the fact that we had somebody say that
we're they're illegal and they should get out of here,
and then we're gonna turn the police and and ice
on them and start deporting them to Alcatraz, Alligator Alcatraz
and San Salvador and the Sudan and.

Speaker 9 (08:49):
All of the He says, well, he's legally, he's a president.
He can do all of that.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa cousin, Wait a minute.
Everything legal isn't right, and everything illegal isn't wrong. And
there's a big difference between law and rules. God is
in charge of the law. When you go jump off

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a cliff, the law says you're gonna come down. You
jump out of an airplane, the law says you are
coming down, and there's nothing you can do to change it.
You can put on a parachute and come down slower,
but you're gonna come down. Laws are things that we
can depend on to happen, whether we are being observed

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or not. You can give me a law that says,
in the middle stop at the red light.

Speaker 9 (09:45):
Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
I don't know if you ever rode a motorcycle, but
if you ever have ever owned a motorcycle and ridden
a motorcycle, and you pull up in the middle of
the night to a stop sign and there's no traffic
coming from any direction, you're gonna run that light because
it doesn't make sense. And the thing that makes you
know it doesn't make sense is you're on a motorcycle.

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There's nothing around you. You're free, and you're able to
make a decision on your own that says, if I
cross this street, it's not gonna negatively harm anybody. It's
not gonna cause any negative effects. This is a rule
that I'm willing to break. Now, if it were a law,
that means when you decided to go across that street,

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God would strike you with lightning, or something would happen,
some kind of boards would come up that would block
you from coming, or you would immediately get snatched up
by some drone that would take you to jail. Because
there's a law, and all of the things is necessary
to maintain that law, whether there's people there to observe

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you or not, or whether you're gonna harm someone or not.
Just like jumping out of an airplane, that's science, that's
a law. But we on the planet are here together.
We make rules.

Speaker 9 (11:05):
Are U l e. S Rules?

Speaker 5 (11:08):
Matter of fact? They you know, they call a guy
the ruler. You know, we've got a guy who, instead
of wanting to be president, wants to.

Speaker 9 (11:16):
Be the ruler, and he wants to make up new
rules and make you follow.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Them right away. Well, rulers are not folks who depend
on thinkers. Rulers, as a matter of fact, to maintain
their positions. Sometimes want to be sure there are no
thinkers around, just responders.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
Do what I told you to do.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
We've had daddy's and mommy's who fall into the realm
of Hi. It's too hard to worry about this kid.
Trying to get this kid to think logically, because then
sometimes the rules, I said, he'll realize they're just rules.

Speaker 9 (11:53):
So you ask dad, well why dad? Why Mom? Why uncle?
Because I said so, Well, that's not a law, that's
a rule.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
And we see many people who understand that and look
at you like you're crazy when you tell them they're illegal,
they don't belong here, that the law says. No. We
have to operate with compassion, we have to operate with understanding.
We have to operate with the fact that we're here

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to make life better for ourselves. And I believe that
it shouldn't take you long to realize that if you
are using your life to make your life better for
yourself by making it miserable for other people, something's going
to happen either. The word revolution comes up from somewhere.

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It comes up from people who've decided that the ruler
is out of line, rules don't make sense.

Speaker 9 (13:03):
I'll tell you one thing that.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Most of us would agree about in terms of something
that was extremely I mean in an extreme legal condition
that lasted for years.

Speaker 9 (13:16):
It built America.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
It was the institution of slavery, totally legal, totally legal.
Oh if you were if you were a black person
during the realm of slavery, any white person could tell
you what to do and cause havoc in your life immediately.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
If he decided to.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
A matter of fact, that was one of the things
that allowed poor white people to support super rich white people,
because though the poor white people didn't have the riches
of the super white super rich, they were at least
not black, and they could prove that they had some

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superiority somewhere, some authority by mistreating a black person. Well
that was years Wait a minute, wait a minute. I
started to say that was years ago. But it appears
that the ruler would like to bring those days back again.

Speaker 9 (14:26):
Let's make America great again. Let's let's listen.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
White supremacy is a rule that only lasts as long
as the folks decide to let it last, and it
doesn't last very long.

Speaker 9 (14:52):
People.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
If we are in America, I think all of us says,
we grew up you know.

Speaker 9 (14:58):
Marrica AA.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
It's a shining light for people all over the planet.

Speaker 9 (15:06):
And we used to be.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
So so proud of the fact that we were the
one place on the planet that no matter where you
were raised, no matter where you came from, you wanted
to be in America because America is fair and square.
America is New Testament Christianity forgiveness. Let's go forward, let's forgive.

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Let's not forget, but let's forgive. I mean Native Americans,
they've been forced to forgive. Praise the Lord. They'll never forget,
but they forgiven. How do I know, because I don't
see Native Americans running around causing revolution every day, blowing

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up buildings. I mean, I do not see them doing
the kind of things that see going on in Europe,
where people are upset because they've lost some territory or
someone is threatening their ability to maintain.

Speaker 9 (16:09):
Their high lifestyle. So I say they've forgiven.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
There's much to be forgiven, there's much to be dealt with,
but America is the place that it takes place. Except
now we've got people who are saying things like that.
I'm talking about a black man, my brother, and my
black man says to me, they need to be deporting

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these people. What do you mean they need to because
it's legal. I mean, is there something that these people
have really done that makes them worthy or real subjects
to go to be in Alligator Alcatraz, living in little cages,
not even living, just existing. Sometimes sometimes it may be

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a real criminal, but we've got laws about how criminals
should be treated. And what if this person is an
actual American citizen who has done nothing wrong except in
the eyes of someone else, have too much of a tan.
We are losing our war as we attempt to win

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a battle of acquiescence to someone that is extremely charming,
no doubt, one of the best con men on the
planet ever, and making kool aid that apparently tastes really good.
I don't know, because I'm not drinking a kool Aid,

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and I would advise you not to drink it because
it really makes you act funny. It makes people start
thinking that well, I say saying using the word thinking,
But that's not what they're doing. They're rationalizing. They are
accepting the misinformation from a person that they've seen lie

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over and over and over and over and over and
over again. Documented that he's lying. Documented because it's even
in his book where he talks about the Great Way
to make a deal. If you tell a lie, keep
telling a lie over and over and over and people will.

Speaker 9 (18:30):
Start to believe it. No, that's not true, that'll never happen,
but it does.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
You've got people who actually actually think this man is
the law and honer person. January sixth, twenty twenty, he
led a revolution, he led a war against the United States.

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The next day, two days later he said, well that's
not true. But the next day, everybody who saw it
acknowledged that this was this was wrong, and he did it.
Every Republican that was anywhere around the White House in
the Congress that they that had to run for their life,

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they knew it happened. They knew that that was not
just some little group of people on a site seeming tour.

Speaker 9 (19:27):
So this man on the first day, first day.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
Of being the president. Again, let's all of these people free.
People who beat up on police, caused policemen to go
commit suicide because of the I can't understand suicide enough
to explain why.

Speaker 9 (19:45):
But we saw all of that. We see all of that.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
So, folks, my theme again is that there's a big
difference between the law and the rules, and that's.

Speaker 9 (19:58):
Because we are.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Seeing the ruler come up with crazy rules. I want
you to understand that. I understand that everybody's not following
those silly rules. Everybody is not out here trying to
take away the good aspects of what America is and
what it's supposed to be and what it will be.

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It will be what it's supposed to be, because we're
not going to put it. Ain't no stopping us now
on this side. We are going to go forward. I
say all of that to say that I'm blessed here
in the city of San Bernardino to have constantly examples

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of the right thing taking place in the wrong place,
in the right place, in the right time, good things
going on despite what may be suggested as what you
should be doing if you want to follow the rules
of the unruly ruler. Part of what we want to

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do today is as you are forced to look at
the terrible examples of police work taking place.

Speaker 9 (21:14):
With our.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
People following orders. You know, I don't want you to
hate the ice officers. You know you can't hate them
because they are following the rule of law that says,
you know, you have to follow and do what the
person who is your superior and who tells you what
to do. Now, we'd be in terrible shape if Christmas

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Addics had done what he was supposed to to do
as far as England was concerned, we'd be in terrible
position if George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and all of
those guys had followed the rules that England had set forth.

Speaker 9 (21:54):
But they didn't.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
And I advise that all of us who really want
things done correctly, we won't do it that way.

Speaker 9 (22:03):
So we're blessed today to have with us mister Joe Paulino.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
He is the chief of police for the San Bernardino
City Unified School District. He is a gentleman with great taste.

Speaker 9 (22:20):
I love his shoes. I like to hear he's a
great guy. Joe, how are you today?

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Wonderful Wallace. It's good to be good. Come into that
Mica a little bit closer. I want power, right, Joe,
you've how long have you been the chief of police
here at San Bernardino Unified School District, Extra Walla. This
is the year fifteen fifteen. He has the chief fifteen years.
How many riots have you had to deal with with
your students' body.

Speaker 9 (22:50):
Time? You don't know if i'd call it riots.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
However, has been some challenges, some definite challenges with our students. However,
we've survived them over the years very good. You've probably
had challenges from the school board as well, though well.

Speaker 10 (23:08):
You know, all of us said have our own challenges
and our.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Leadership style definitely, but you've dealt with your challenges in
a very respectful way. When I say respectful, it seems
that you have powers obviously that you have not used
in terms of being able to just go out and

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overwhelm the overwhelm people.

Speaker 9 (23:37):
Your officers.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Seem to be respectful of their duty and respectful of
the people that they have to deal with.

Speaker 9 (23:47):
In their duty. I have not.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Had any positive or negative experience or direct experience with
any of your officers, but I note that we had
a bid go viral in I don't know the last
month or two April what it was, something like that,
there was an incident at Entrepreneurial High School. The gentleman

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who I was instrumental in providing with his first press pass,
mister Tyrone Johnson, had just picked up his lunch at
the Food for Less and had parked his car over
by Entrepreneurial High School and was about to start eating,
and he'd noticed there was a little fract's going on,

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and he turned on his camera. His camera demonstrated that Eric,
we have that video. This is radio, so a lot
of you people will not be able to see this
until you go to the podcast and see the live stream.
We want to kind of describe what we see here,

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because when I first saw it, I kept waiting for
one of the officers to pull out the gun and
start shooting. And I say that because I'm a parent,
I'm a citizen, and what I saw going on with
these kids, these students, and they're not grade school students,

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whose are high school students. These are people big enough
to pose a threat. Excuse my language, but these are
some badass kids. They were just acting out of line.
As far as me, a parent, a citizen, a resident
was concerned, and I'm wondering.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
What are they doing? Why are they.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Excuse me, let's roll the tape and let's kind of
you help me describe that.

Speaker 9 (25:48):
Joe.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
I don't have the greatest eyes in the world, but
I'm seeing Is it on?

Speaker 9 (25:53):
Now? Is that thing on? Is it rolling?

Speaker 5 (26:00):
One of the things that we're going to see is
that we've got two police officers who are trying to
separate and deal with someone. I think it looks like
they're trying to put some cuffs on somebody who had
been fighting. There was a fight. Tyrone said, there was
a fight going on, and he by the time he's
turned his take on, the police had gotten there and

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we're separating the people. And they were not They were
not surrounding him or rounding them up, you know, putting
them in a car to take them off somewhere. They
seem to be trying to de escalate the situation, and
they were so effective I think in demonstrating that they

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are trying to be helpful that it gave life.

Speaker 9 (26:50):
To the students.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
I think we'll see a point here where we'll see
a young lady walk over to where the policeman is
and neee him in the side. We go further into
the video and we'll see where one of the people
actually grabbed and pushed the officer and grabbed one of
the officers by the hair. There was some support coming

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from city police, I think toward the end there. And
I don't know what happened to these students, but when
I looked at the video, the thing that I was
overly impressed with was the restraint that your officers showed.
It was as though they were dealing with their kids.

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It was though they were dealing with kids in the
way they would want someone else to deal with their kids.
I'm sure that there are other police departments and circumstance
situations that look at this and use it as a
video to say, this is why we want to handcuffing

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right away and all that, because your officers were really
could have been in danger had that been another level
of situation there. What is your response to how your
officers responded. I applauded. I think they did the greatest
job that could have been done under those circumstances. And

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I still say that those were some bad acting youngsters
and they need to be disciplined, But they don't need
to be shot. They don't need to be strung up,
upside down and beaten, you know, until they confess every
send that they've ever done. And you know, coach, so
let me ask you to your response to this, what

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do you expect out of your.

Speaker 9 (28:46):
Off definitely, Watson.

Speaker 10 (28:49):
Of course, you know, every school year we have an
opportunity for situations to escalate to them.

Speaker 9 (28:58):
However, this is a rare situation. The yeah police, especially us.

Speaker 10 (29:08):
Often say that we have over forty five thousand opportunities
every day and the encounter situations like this, and then
you have double that with the number of parents that
we deal with.

Speaker 9 (29:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (29:20):
So of course then I think the men and women
of our police department and do a work and and
support educating kids. So we come from that perspective, and
of course as as a leader, as a chiefs a drum.
My guidance principal in terms of leadership is work. Humanity

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is body yours, so we can only be humane together.
So my edicts to young police officers and police officers
that work for our department is that regardless of what
a person does, and we're going to treat them humanely.
And of course it starts off with the way we
recruit young police officers or police officers in our department.

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We're looking for good people, people that can be patient
with our kids, they can demonstrate good leadership, that are disciplined,
people that can supervise themselves, and of course them those
is highly trained. You don't respond a dynamic situation like
that without being highly trained to be able to what

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they say. The more informed you are, the more better
you are doing your work.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (30:30):
So whilst I tell you and the men and women
that responded here what I believe exceptional work, which is
an example of the police force across our nation, not
the stuff that we could get better at, right, some
of us in terms we should make sure a person's
handcuffed and handcuffed properly, right so they don't slip there.

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That's in terms of example of how we should treat
our community, especially the least of us in terms of
our kids. It's demonstrating this video. And of course then
every day.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
We do work.

Speaker 10 (31:11):
Excellent, right, but every so often, yeah, you know these situations,
them gets broken in them.

Speaker 9 (31:17):
Of course, we don't control that variable.

Speaker 10 (31:21):
Every day we respond this stuff and we don't know
what we're responding to. However, our applaud the men and
women of the department.

Speaker 9 (31:29):
When they respond, they do.

Speaker 10 (31:31):
Their best, and because they do their best, they arrive
at this place called success right, that leadership. So of
course I'm a part of them. My thrust, along with
my command my command team, is to make sure that
we were leading the way that we hold ourselves responsible.
It's like a man that don't use profanity. I believe

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it's no need for profanity. So when you look at
this video. If you are able to hear the audio
to it, you don't hear profanity. So that's what we
want from our police officer when we encountered them. So,
of course then we make sure, didn't we have good

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people doing this work, that we follow the policy you
know earlier he.

Speaker 9 (32:19):
Was mentioned in the rules.

Speaker 10 (32:20):
I think our Board of Education has done a wonderful
job of giving us the parameters to be able to
do this work.

Speaker 9 (32:27):
We don't just arrest incite people.

Speaker 10 (32:30):
We give them an opportunity to make sure.

Speaker 9 (32:33):
That they do it right.

Speaker 10 (32:35):
However, will not always not cite or rest whenever you
have to go out your way to be cite and
arrested by us. Of course, I'll give you some numbers.
Over those fifteen years we've we've reduced citations and rest
by eighty five percent across the board, and those are

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serious numbers. However, I can remind you a couple of
years back where I came in and we had a
conversation about a study done by the Center for Public
Integrity in regards to a number of arrest and citations
that we was given in our system. Of course, collectively,

(33:19):
as a team man, we saw those numbers and all
of us was disturbed by it, like, what can we
do better?

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Well, getting cited and arrested by school police has a
permanent mark, does it not. We are definitely okay. So
when we are not, I guess super sensitive and I

(33:48):
think it takes some super sensitivity, not just being sensitive,
because sensitive leaves a lot of room for my feelings
to be hurt. But super sensitive says that I'm going
to be sensitive to my commitment to my job and
understanding that I'm dealing with. In the case of these students,
a lifetime of reputation that's going to be responding to

(34:14):
how I respond to what they're doing now as children.
One of the things that we have been very concerned
about with our kids is how black and brown children.
It seemed we're getting more referrals to situations or from

(34:34):
situations that actually put a mark on their record, to
the point of where some of them have just didn't
make sense to go back to school anymore. They actually
got to a point where well, this one, this occurrence
is the one that's going to send you to the
juvenile hall, or this occurrence is the one that's going
to cause you to be suspended. And this number of

(34:55):
suspensions is going to cause you to have to go
to a special school or gonna put some type of
barrier to your excitement about education and our school system.

Speaker 10 (35:08):
Yes, so I'll say this, and this is my twenty
nine year in the school district and a large amount
of years I've been on the cabinet.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
Too, so we are too too.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
This show is designed to provide accurate.

Speaker 10 (35:23):
You're familiar with the Mariche Ariano, our current superintendent, so
we have assistant superintendents across the board the say, I'm
conscious about what you're saying. So of course that even
those numbers are reduction because of the accountability that we
have on the system to make sure that we're paying

(35:44):
attention to those it's affected by that. Of course, back
to this sem a rest in citation piece and your
police officer every year go through a slew of training,
and one of them is the escalation et cetera. Right,
and of course that one of them is this customer
service piece, and how do we service the community and
where the community and when they see us and they're

(36:07):
happy to see us because they know the end result
is that they will be dealt with appropriately. Right, It's
not what's done. It's how it's done, and it's the
same thing what's said. Now, if I'm gonna say something,
I should say it appropriately, professionally, right, properly, respectfully. So
of course them again, and we believe that all our students,
their parents, the entire community and regardless of who they

(36:30):
are or where they're at, has value.

Speaker 9 (36:32):
So of course we treat them with the value.

Speaker 10 (36:35):
And that we and of course there a man like
me said of the Golden Rule, right, I was reading
this morning, and of course, and Matthew talks about the
Golden Room, that that I want for you, I should
want for myself.

Speaker 9 (36:47):
And so if I like myself, then most likely I
will like you.

Speaker 10 (36:51):
So we make sure we hold our team conscious and
to the Golden rule and where we treat people appropriately
right in this is piece. And whilst that I believe
law enforcement across the board can learn from, especially the
educational platform.

Speaker 9 (37:10):
Is what we're all educators.

Speaker 10 (37:12):
So we should put forward an effort to make sure
that all our youths, our parents, our students, whenever we
get the opportunity, we educate them and what they say.
The more informed we are and the better we are
as a community. As a chief I make sure that
I have inform men and women that works around me.
Probably about eighty five percent of my folks have degrees

(37:36):
because it makes some critical thinkers. Yes, not that they're
smarter and they can think. I love what one of
my coach and mentors says, which is Dean Chris. Dean says, Joe,
we need to teach people how to think. So when
it gets dynamic like that, we want people thinking, not reacting,
and we want them responding through their thinking and through

(37:59):
the skills, knowledge of building experience that we've given them.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
What kind of training exercises do you take them to
achieve that attitude?

Speaker 10 (38:09):
Yes, so of course them every quarter and we send
them the sheriff department and of course the sheriff department
there and allows from them go through things like tactical communication, right,
and where we learn how to respond appropriately. You may
use a profanity, but it doesn't give me the right
to respond with a profanity. So of course training allows

(38:32):
me to be able to pull from information to be
able to respond appropriately like sir, thank you.

Speaker 9 (38:37):
However, we don't need to have a.

Speaker 10 (38:38):
Conversation like that, right, Okay, Yeah, And of course I
see that you're upset. However, you take a deep bread
and just say and do your best to listen.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
To what I'm trying to tell you. Right. We don't
use words like shut up, okay. Right.

Speaker 10 (38:54):
We're armed and with the with the massive amount of
data that allows for to be able to speak to
people appropriately and get the response. And we're soliciting from
them because we guide them to that response. We guide
them to the response the way we treat them.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Right, So you're opening a door for me that says
someone possibly who has worked for you may find themselves
working for someone else in the future that doesn't want
them to think logically, that wants them to simply respond
and follow orders. And that should create some kind of

(39:35):
quandary for that officer who has been trained to understand humility, humanity,
and compassion, who is now being put in a position
to say, ignore all of that and just do what
I said do. And I have no room in my

(40:01):
heart for people who want to fight the police, fight
the Feds. I've been involved in the movement of sorts
throughout my life, and I was blessed to find early
on that though we may gather in peace to try

(40:22):
to affect our message, that there's going to be possibly
someone who sneaks into our being who has a totally
different attitude, and they want to use our peaceful profile
to render their hostile, terroristic attitudes and actions. We call

(40:44):
them agent provocateurs, and those folks are around and to.

Speaker 9 (40:50):
Me, the danger there is twofold.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
The immediate direct response that you can cause by throwing
a rock and actually hurt somebody who I want to
talk about technology in a minute here, You could actually
hurt somebody, or you could cause people around you to
get hurt as a result of the response that you cause.

(41:20):
It's important that people be able to protest, to be
able to express themselves and to let it be known
that they don't like something that's taking place. But I
think it's also important that we as a people think
logically enough to and you know, not to grab you

(41:43):
into this political position statement here. But I believe that
we have a president who is very concerned about his
own body going to jail, because if he had not
got elected in twenty twenty, there's a good chance, or
good in twenty twenty four, it's a good chance he

(42:04):
trying to be in jail because it was moving slow
in that direction. And I think the concept of, you know,
basic white supremacy was the one that allowed him to
move so slow, because I had no doubt that if
Obama had been the president on January sixth, the past
president on January sixth, twenty twenty, that they would have

(42:26):
arrested him that date that took January seventh, eighth, he
would have been in jail or under charges or under
house arrest. But because it was Donald the mouth charismatic, blond,
blue eyed promise of great things for white people to gain.

(42:49):
And I'm you know, folks, let me say this. If
you're an African American in America, African American, chances are
you got an aunt or an uncle who passing for
or you got white blood. And I don't hate white people.
If I hated white people, I'd have to hate people
in my family. And I'm not going that far. But
I can recognize race differences without being racist. And if

(43:16):
you don't believe that there's a movement for white supremacy,
you're not looking at the history of America. And that's
why some people don't want you to look at.

Speaker 9 (43:25):
The history of America.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
I think that our president wants confusion and chaos. I
think our president wants to have a big response to
the FEDS that would make everybody sympathetic to the fact
that there is a riot.

Speaker 9 (43:42):
As a matter of fact, he's.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Called what's taken place in Los Angeles in response to
Ice as a riot. He's done everything he's could to
make people feel that California is under a total revolution
and we need to have the FED come out and
keep people safe.

Speaker 10 (44:03):
Wiles is gonna comment on your quandary that you gave
a person and that you believe should address something. Yeah,
I believe we have to give ourselves permission and to
be able to be courageous.

Speaker 9 (44:20):
Right well, yeah, yes, said to them.

Speaker 10 (44:22):
Oftentimes a man will compromise one's value, but they won't
compromise their principles. That's why I love them studying pillars
of history like Nelson, Desmond and Mahagama Gandhi and these
are men of principles. So it's like, regardless of what
the consequences is, I will speak up, especially for those

(44:46):
that are being ostracized, suffering, et cetera, et cetera. And
so of course then for us we have to educate
our community, yes, yeh, on things like that y'all get
what's going on across the nation. It's up to us
to hold a lot to make sure that we don't
compromise our principles and start treating people the way.

Speaker 9 (45:07):
The cysy don't want to be treated.

Speaker 10 (45:08):
That's right, Yes, So it's important that we hold a
lot in terms of our principles right now. Yeah, we
still have to make a living ext et cetera, however,
and we don't have to do it in a way
where I abuse you as a human being or some
other human being abused me because they believe they have

(45:29):
authority or power.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
Right, that's the point of our adherence to our religion
and our spiritual lessons forgiveness. And if there was nothing
to forgive people for, it would be different. But we
are confronted on a daily basis with the opportunity to
either forgive or fester. We allow these things to fester

(45:52):
in our hearts and our being and we will turn
into that thing that we find that's oppressing us, or
we will continue to have faith, move forward and understand
that challenges are opportunities to demonstrate our strength and our principle.

(46:14):
And that's that's that's like my father was a brick layer,
and it was it would be easy to just drop
that brick on the mart and keep on going. But
I noticed he always wanted the brick to be straight,
so to you know, fit the line of the last
one and made it easy to know where to put
the next one and move the cement out of the

(46:37):
way so that it looked clean and clear.

Speaker 9 (46:39):
And that was his principle.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
He wanted to be able to come back to the
job next year, point to it with pride and say
I did that. And I know that part because he
would take me around and show me houses that he
built and say, look at that. Just look at that brickway.
Now look at that brickwork across the street. So you
see what I'm saying, and look at what we did
and what they did. And so it's important to understand

(47:05):
that good things will last. Bad things will be remembered,
but they don't have to last, and they don't have
to live in our hearts. Joe, your your training method
for your officers, uh, the idea that they remember that
they're not just peace officers of that sense, but they

(47:27):
are they are educators. I commend you, and I wanted
to do it loud and clear here on the radio,
because what you're doing and how you do it is
exemplatory for everybody that's in your business and everybody that
wants to look at your business and say, everybody over
there is no you guys said, You said a wonderful

(47:49):
mark for others to follow. And Mauricio and everyone involved
with Sam Bernardino Unified Schooled City Samberandino City Unified School
District should be extremely proud of the vision that you
have and the accomplishment that they appear to be part

(48:11):
of with what you're doing.

Speaker 9 (48:13):
So while I.

Speaker 10 (48:14):
Want to thank you for having me here this morning,
uh half men and women that's s down in the
line to make sure that kids get educated across our community.
We thank you for Lisa I'm calling our voice and
to be able to tell our story that it's not
told by somebody else. And and of course I like
to thank the community for always having goods hospitality for

(48:37):
the men and women as well. Every so often I'll
show up at the station. There's uh, you know, cop
foods there ye donuts as well as pastries, so.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
You get your quota of peach cobblers and banana puddings.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
And say well we can't afford that.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Ye.

Speaker 9 (48:57):
People that are here that could say thank you, I'm right. Uh.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
What can do community do is there's some specific things
they can do to show support for what you are doing,
but also be supportive of our our children in our
school district. Yes, so, of course. And the first thing
in the community can do. If you believe that you
have an issue.

Speaker 9 (49:20):
That we can help resolve, don't be afraid to call us. Uh.

Speaker 10 (49:24):
And then when you see the men and women of
the police department arrive, and don't be afraid to smile. Yeah,
you know they say I'm the smilest contagious.

Speaker 9 (49:33):
Yes, it's right.

Speaker 10 (49:34):
And then of course, yeah, in terms of my philosophy,
trust me, they'll smile first. Yeah, they'll smile first, of course.
And we want the community to welcome our work because
we do our best to do.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
It the right way. How do you recruit? Do you
have enough police officers? Now? Are you recruiting? Uh?

Speaker 5 (49:56):
What's the How can a person become part of that
great team that you have a simple Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 10 (50:02):
We got young young men and women in our local
college carrying twelve units and we have a cadet program.
If you're at the high school, we have a traditional
Explore program that you could be a part of. If
you're the middle school, we have our Junior Explore program,
and at our elementary school we have our Auxiliary and

(50:22):
Explore program.

Speaker 9 (50:23):
So we have the.

Speaker 10 (50:24):
Stairway and that we've created while it's in the police
so we probably a recruiting more of our community's kids
on our police department as well as our Camp Security
Corps to make sure that they know that they could
be a part of our team.

Speaker 9 (50:40):
Campus Security Corps. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 10 (50:43):
In our camp security officer that works before the district
falls under the police department as well.

Speaker 9 (50:48):
When I was coming up.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
We had patrol what it called patrol Boy something like that,
where you know where we actually.

Speaker 9 (50:58):
Quite a police officer.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
Well, you know, we were students, i mean in grade
school and we helped at the corners. You know, we
had a little belt and you know that that we
wore to identify ourselves. We were quite proud to be
that and even at that point, you know, there was
other kids who were you know, who kind of wanted
to look at you, look at you funny. But then

(51:21):
too once we put the belt on, you know, we
had a different kind of attitude of responsibility. And you know,
we let people talk to us a little crazy sometimes
and you know, I'll see you when I take this
belt off. Maybe you know it took place, and it
took place a little bit, but no, I was just
wondering if if we had that type of movement and

(51:43):
how early in the school.

Speaker 10 (51:46):
We have community members that would like to be a
part of our team. We have community service as well,
were community members like yourself, will issue your uniform, swear
you in and have you come help us at events
across football games, basketball games right out with the police officers. Yes, Sam,

(52:08):
opportunities to help. And then there's other areas across the
district in terms of volunteer systems and to volunteer on
the campus and to be able to make sure.

Speaker 9 (52:17):
That our students are safe.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Well, I wouldn't be myself if I let you get
away without me trying to tell you how to run
your life a little bit. And during the summer and see,
and I'd wait till last minute. During the summer, we
never have enough activities for the kids. I would suggest
that we maybe have a camp, a security camp where

(52:41):
we taught to kids more rules about dealing with each
other and dealing with the police and the school police
and maybe get some businesses to help pay for that,
but to give your officers an opportunity to be exposed
at another level to the young people during the summer,
because the kids definitely need it. And I don't know
if maybe you guys need the extra hours or not,

(53:04):
but I think being around responsible people is an important
thing and asset for our kids. And I just suggested Mauricio,
you guys need to put some money together so that
we can have a summer camp for our young people
to understand the principles of safety and getting along with
their police and the responsibility of not making them have

(53:27):
the work so hard.

Speaker 9 (53:28):
Definitely, okay, I don't see why we couldn't do that
very good.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
I mean, the reason you couldn't do that generally is
because of money, and so we would need to be
able to fund that. And if the schools are able
to help take the kids off the street and make
them better citizens, I suggest that businesses like mine, even
like mine that are not making money, should be able

(53:53):
to make some level of support into a program like that,
because the better citizens we create, the better lifestyle that
all of us will be able to enjoy.

Speaker 9 (54:03):
And I think that's part of giving.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
And if you expect to get, you want to give
what you get, Oh definitely. So how we're doing over there,
young man, with our time, very good. So I've got
time to say this. Everybody ends up wearing his own clothes.
The shadow is only where the body goes. Everybody pays

(54:26):
not necessarily a tax. It's more like dues, because the
price that's something your actions choose. So I say, remember,
whenever you make one, you make two, one for him
and one for you. So be sure that whatever you make,
whatever you make, is it more than you want to take,

(54:51):
because sure enough, through the arc down the line, you're
bound to get what you thought was mine. Give love
and understanding, That's what I say, and I'll make life
a little easier as things come your way.

Speaker 9 (55:06):
So God bless us all.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
I appreciate the time that you spend doing what you
do every day, Joe, I appreciate the time that you
I don't know, I don't know if you get to relax,
if you get to hang out at home. I know
that you spend a good time at church and doing
that level of service. So God bless you, good luck
with all of that. Yes, say I got a couch

(55:28):
that likes me. You do have a couch that likes you?

Speaker 9 (55:31):
Very good?

Speaker 5 (55:32):
All right, I hope all of us have that, Anthony.
I appreciate your brother that you're doing doing a great job.
And I do appreciate the challenges out there that give
us the opportunity to show the strength that the Lord
gives us every day. Thank you, guys, to you next
week under two circumstances, one if the Good Lord's willing,
two if the creek don't rise, God bless you.

Speaker 9 (55:54):
Thank you for your time. Can't wait till next week.
I have a great message with you then.

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