KCAA: The Empire Talks Back with Wallace Allen (Sun, 27 Jul, 2025)

KCAA: The Empire Talks Back with Wallace Allen on Sun, 27 Jul, 2025

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Org NBC News Radio. I'm Lisa Carton. President Trump is
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she would meet Trump in Scotland to discuss trade relations

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Israeli military says it's pausing fighting in some areas of
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KCAA al Right, afternoon, evening, good day, whatever time of

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day it is.

Speaker 9 (07:22):
There's one thing I want you to do is I
want you to wake up. Wake up, folks. There have
people out here who would love for you to be
sleeping all day long. I'm one of those folks that
want you to be awake. Woke is the deal. Woke
is the opposite of sleep. Sleep is the opposite of woke.
Those folks who tell you don't be woke, don't be woke.

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They want you to be asleep. There are folks who
would like to see you spend your entire life asleep
at the wheel. Everybody needs to wake up. People who
want you to stay asleep want you to walk and
talk in your sleep. Keep your eyes closed. See nothing,
hear nothing, and just forget about it. See nothing, hear nothing,

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and just forget about it. Ignore stealing from the poor
to give to the rich. Stay asleep while racism pretends
to be an immigration policy, look at the other way.
While veterans' needs are discounted, while seniors and disabled are
threatened with service cuts, while educational institutions are forced to

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reduce access. Some folks want you to be full time asleep.
We need you to wake up. Woke is the opposite
of a sleep. Wake up, everybody, Wake up. Today's guest
for Ron Doser, Jimmy Green, Martin Day and on the

(08:54):
phones from Austin, Texas, mister Glenn Tower. We're going to
take a short break and when I come back, we're
going to give you a great example of the information
that's available to you. But you must be awake. You
must be awake to understand that you are the answer
to the problem, and don't allow people to make you

(09:17):
walk around in your sleep. You have the power. We'll
be back right after this short break. This is in
Guard Talks. Back on Wallace Allen here on the mission
to bring you the right information to help improve the situations.
You are the answer for our time.

Speaker 15 (09:44):
We got off teach us home to teach a new way.
Maybe then they have listen to what you have to say.
They're the ones who us coming and the world is
in their heads.

Speaker 9 (10:00):
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Speaker 9 (10:47):
God all bad if We're just you can't let it be.

Speaker 17 (10:54):
We have to stand up and we have especially we
have to stand up for your new rover just stood
up for us.

Speaker 9 (11:00):
We've got people who have stood for us that we
need to stand for them. Our veterans are our most
most valuable commodity. These are people who have put their
lives on the line or put their lives next to
the line, ready to get on the front line if necessary,
while you and I are being told to stay asleep.

(11:21):
Don't be woke. Don't be trying to share things. Don't
do all of the things that these veterans have put
their lives on the line for. Don't be concerned about equity,
don't be concerned about the truth. Don't be concerned about
educating our children so that we can have people smart

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enough to know what to do. No, folks, we have
people who put their lives on the line, and we
need to appreciate those folk and understand that when they're
told that listen. As far as I'm concerned, if even
close to getting shot at, you should never have to
work again in America in your life. You should be

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able to You should be able to volunteer, to contribute
to do whatever you want to do. You should be
able to get a loan to make movies, to make stories,
to do things that are going to help justify the
danger that you put yourself in as you anticipated doing
things to make America great, keep it great. So I'm

(12:25):
going to do something my mother suggested that I do,
and that's to not talk so much. I want to introduce,
to introduce our guests today, we have people who have
stood on the front lines. We have mister Glenn Howie
from Austin, Texas with us on the phone. We have
mister Martin Daily in the office in the studio with us.

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A World War I'm sorry, Vietnam Aravet. We have mister
Jimmy Green, Vietnam Aravet. We have Ferran. Those are your
experience and we want to start with you. I want
you to introduce yourselves. I'm gonna be as quiet as possible.

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I want you guys to just, you know, say who
you are, a little bit about what you've been doing
and why you do it. We're going to go through
this and fair and after you, We're going to have
mister Towery come in from Austin. Glenn, how are you doing.

Speaker 18 (13:24):
I'm doing fine. It's a good days.

Speaker 9 (13:27):
It's a good day, Glenn. All you guys are doing
uh we could say do good and do well. You
guys are doing well if you're on two feet and
you've already done good because you've helped other people stay
on their feet. So stay alert here, guys, and let's
talk about what's real. Fair and please.

Speaker 19 (13:45):
Again thanks for allowing us to be on the show
today with you. Very blessed to be here. My name
is Ferroan Doziama, retired Army startner, first class of twenty
four years. Who I am is that others e their
greatness through my self expression but also find peace in
the language. And what I get to do is I
get to advocate for veterans, suicide, youth suicide, sickle cell
trade and we'll talk about some of those things today.

(14:06):
But just again blessed to be here to be a part.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Of the show.

Speaker 9 (14:09):
Very again, good Glenn. I have a disclosure to make.
Glenn and I are old friends. We're old and we're
friends and we've been friends for a long time. So
you could take in a lot of directions, Glenn, telling
people a little bit about who you are, what you're doing,
and I'm going to shut up again. Go on, Glenn.

Speaker 18 (14:28):
Okay. My name is Glenn Cowie. I've been in Round Rock,
Texas for since twenty thirteen. When I came here, I
started two organizations, The Veterans Suicide Prevention Channel, which is
a twenty four hour channel seven days a week that
as mostly veteran entertainment on it and veterans therapy on it.

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Also the Austin Veterans Arts Festival, which our motto is
using the art to help heal veterans. And I came
across idea to start that as an outreach program for
the Channel because we had none. And I was the
one of the twenty thirteen Golden Medalist in the Veteran

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in the Department of Veterans Affairs Creative Arts National Program.

Speaker 9 (15:18):
Very good and mister Jimmy Green, Yes, Jimmy Green.

Speaker 17 (15:23):
I was born and raised right here in Sanbordino County,
Vietnam veteran, now a promoter of trying to help veterans
on the street, Veterans who are finding themselves without substance,
without any way of trying to transition back in to

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society after coming out of the military and being involved
in the Veterans program right here in Fontana, California, a
veterans group that meets every Monday at nine o'clock at
the Senior Center there in Fontana, and we're trying to
reach out and help our brothers and help them help

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their self out.

Speaker 9 (16:11):
Very good in Martin Daily.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Good morning.

Speaker 13 (16:15):
My name is Martin Daily.

Speaker 20 (16:17):
I'm a Vietnam veteran wanner raised in New York, moved
to California in nineteenth.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Turn is Michael.

Speaker 20 (16:28):
I'm sorry about that, okay, nineteen sixty nine. I am
vice president of Heroes Warehouse, which is a nonprofit here
in southern California of furniture for veterans. I've been with
it since twenty sixteen when it was founded by Mary

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Kelly Moore, who unfortunately passed away, and so I made
a promise to her sister, who was my director, that
we would continue her lega I can see, okay, and
so I am very proud to do this actually for
on over there.

Speaker 13 (17:07):
He knows me very well. And Jimmie, Jimmy.

Speaker 20 (17:11):
Green is my my sidekick at the Fontino Veterans group
that meets on Monday mornings.

Speaker 9 (17:16):
Very good. One continuing theme I hear is transition, the
importance of making that transition. Uh, Glenn, you are you
have you are in the midst of making a series
of movie series that you are titling Transition.

Speaker 18 (17:36):
Yes. It's called Mission Mission Transmissions. Yes, and you can.
You can go and see the trailer that we just
completed if you go to www. Dot Mission Transition dot com. Uh.
There's a hyphen in between each word. And what is

(17:56):
about it? The story about officer who served during the
Afghanistan War. Uh. And he watched his people when he
come back, came when they return home, committing suicide, becoming
drug addicts, going to jail, all of the negative things.
Only a few of them were having positive results in

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their life. And so he decided, as he climbed up
the corporate ladder to create his own program. He feels
like he can do a better job at what he's
seeing that the government is doing. And so he creates
a program and that program is called Mission Transition Condition
and he will accept any veteran into that program. They

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don't have to pay nothing. What he did is he
bought a senior citizen assisted living home and that's where
he based his program in Texas.

Speaker 21 (18:49):
Very good Sharon yes, yes, except both right to check
out in terms of this movie and in terms of
what you do every day relative to your work with veterans,
How significant is the transition?

Speaker 9 (19:09):
What are some of the real issues that you're running
into compared to some of the stuff that Glenn is
talking about with this movie.

Speaker 19 (19:16):
Definitely thank you, sir for that premiere that's coming out movie.
That conversation is number one, right because the transition for
some of us, like myself an example, I can on
speak for myself, My identity was trapped in that camouflage.
My identity was trapped in that rank for twenty four years.

(19:38):
So when that career came to an end, not by
my choice from a medical retirement from my sickle cell trait.
With Radamilosa's experience, I don't know who Faran was. So
now you're looking at the the identity crisis that most
of us, as men, as human beings deal with, not
just men but human beings. But also then what's next? Right,

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And so at the in my midst of that transition,
it was like my life is over and so trying
to figure out what's next, but also like I have
mental toughness, but that mental anguish that I felt in
that transition out of the service. Again, because of it,
I can articulate it now because of my identity. Back then,
I didn't know what it was. All I knew was

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my sense of belonging was taken away from me.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
Is that a feeling that Jimmy or Martin that you
guys shared at off when you left military.

Speaker 17 (20:32):
Well, the problem that we encountered was that the lack
of support from the community, from the government, from those.

Speaker 9 (20:45):
Who were out there that held our life.

Speaker 17 (20:47):
In checked, they were not there to help us make
the transition back.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
And the Vietnam era, Yeah, was a war that the
public raised up and said it was unfair, unneeded, and yeah,
you know, politically motivated as opposed to really being a
war for saving the world.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
And so it was an an unpopular war. But I
think people softened up to some extent. But Martin your
response to.

Speaker 13 (21:20):
That question, yes, you're right, but it took a while.

Speaker 20 (21:25):
Now people realize the abuse and stuff that we endured.

Speaker 13 (21:29):
When we came home.

Speaker 20 (21:30):
You know, I only felt the way that it fron
failed one time in my life where I wanted to
end it after two failed divorces, and you know and
this and that, but I see it every day with
homelessness and the fact that there are only thirty percent

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of non veterans that serve that are still alive.

Speaker 9 (22:01):
My goodness, that's all. Now. I do know that we're
talking about age moves, you know, has something to do
with that in terms of natural death, if there is
such thing for a veteran.

Speaker 20 (22:15):
Yeah, we're all in our seventies and eighties now, Vietnam veterans.

Speaker 9 (22:18):
Yes, yes, yes, so we can. We can blame Father
time for some of that, but the time that we
have spent certainly has something to do with it as well.
You speak of services, Jimmy, services that were not available.

Speaker 17 (22:32):
Uh, well, the problem is is that the services were
not available because the government was in a state of denial.
They were saying they didn't do nothing. They were saying
there was no agent on there. There there was no PTSD,
there were none of these things that we are now experienced.

Speaker 9 (22:53):
Nobody wanted to plead guilty to war crimes.

Speaker 17 (22:56):
No, no, well they not only did they I want
to please yout to THENY wanted to wipe it out
like it never happened.

Speaker 9 (23:03):
Yes, and so in doing that that you had to
wipe out slavery right now. Yes, so I understand that part.
So as we talk about services and needed uh, sometimes
people would say, well, you know, what did they promise you?
You know, what do you expect? You know, so what

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do you expect? What would you expect to really happen? Glynn,
did you have a contract that you felt was broken?

Speaker 18 (23:35):
Absolutely, my contract was broken. One of the things, especially
in the Vietnam era, that they don't talk about. It's
like it's hidden, but it's the amount of racism that
we faced while fighting in during the Vietnam War. I'm
a Vietnam combat better at myself, and we were directly
exposed to a lot of racism and many of our

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black vetter a PTSD is as a result not only
of the combat spirits, but if you can imagine having
two enemies that you're fighting at one one is the
enemy that you've sworn to fight, and the other is
the enemy that is sworn to fight you as supposed
to be on your side. So I recently was retired

(24:23):
after fifty three years. I had to fight for my
retirement from the Navy. I actually had to take them
all the way to court. I went to US District Court,
and they kept denying me because I was fragged while
I was in the military during a combat mission. But
I was able to prove it and so finally I
had to go.

Speaker 9 (24:41):
To the.

Speaker 18 (24:43):
You were fragged, But yeah, what frag means is set
up to be injured or injured by the personnel that
are on your side, so in your command.

Speaker 9 (24:59):
Right. So if you as a black soldier saying that
someone was fragging you, chances are you were saying that
it was a white soldier or a white system that
did it intentionally. And of course that would lead them
to simply say, you're just being paranoid. Well not even paranoid,

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because that may indicate some level of sickness that they'd
be responsible for too, So they probably just said you
were crazy. What was the response, Glenn, Why did you
have to fight so hard for your.

Speaker 18 (25:34):
Because it implicated a lot of the officers that were
on my ship, and also because it told a story
about the Navy and about the military at that time
that no one wanted to really talk about publicly. But
it was there. Was there for the Army, was there

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for the Marine Corps, was there for the Navy, and
it was there for the US as well. But in
the Navy, for instance, when I served in the night,
ninety percent of the sailors that were black were decads.
They had no other bill billet. I came in as
a quartermaster, which meant that I was in the Navy

(26:16):
a quartermaster as a navigator, and navigators served explicitly with
the officers on the bridge. So that created a problem.

Speaker 19 (26:28):
And this is, you know, even with all of my
depression and anxiety and suicide ideation, I had to learn
how to tell the truth to myself, right okay, and
what you said earlier about the contract and the day
to give us what we one thing I didn't realize.
I'm fifty five now, so probably about three years ago

(26:51):
I realized that I gave my life to death at nineteen.
And that is an unforeseen consequence that we don't think
about we as human beings. We live in denial. So
I never thought that I gave my life to death
when I first joined the military. But as I was
dealing with the depression and the experiences of what I
went through, I was like, man, it's like divorce. As

(27:12):
he said, he felt like taking his life through a divorce.
Divorces are devastating emotionally. So when you have someone who's
like myself emotionally, an emotional kid, emotional child, a lot
of the things that we deal with are emotionally charged.
So for me, it was like I had to be
okay with that.

Speaker 9 (27:32):
Now, you were twenty years twenty four twenty four years,
so you know you'd have to be twenty five years
somewhere else in order for you to have been more
committed to something other than those twenty four years. Exactly. Yeah,
so's it's it does have to consume you. Yes, the
contract upon leaving the service, the idea that okay, you're leaving,

(27:59):
you've got all these potential benefits. Jimmy, you're shaking your head.

Speaker 17 (28:05):
Well, I think it comes down to the fact, me
and my wife, we've talked about this so many times.
The service did not prepare me to be a better man.
And that was the thing that they promoted, was we're
gonna make you a better man. My wife said, the

(28:25):
service did not did not prepare you to be a
better man. It just prepared you to be less of
a man because it allowed you the opportunity to not
learn who you should be and what you should be
and so living here, like the gentleman was explaining the

(28:50):
racism because I was in the Navy and the racism
that you experienced. I was born and raised right here
in Samardino, California. I knew nothing about what was going
on in the South, but when I went into.

Speaker 9 (29:08):
The service, I ran headlong into it. And this is
a man who was raised in Fontana, California, the home
of right. So I mean, I mean the West coast
klu klux Klan lived in. I mean he was able
to experience growing up in Fontana and not have the

(29:28):
type of racism that he ran into in the Navy.
For Arron said something that's just very interesting. He said,
at nineteen, he gave himself up to death as he
And is that a feeling as you went into the
service that you were prepared to die? I mean that
is that a general thought and a feeling or have

(29:49):
you even thought about that, because as Farren said, he
just three four years ago came to him that wow,
I had I did this? Is that Is that something that.

Speaker 20 (29:59):
Sure, you know you're going to go to a combat zone.
Now there's a chance of anything happening to you, whether
you're an infantryman or a truck driver or whatever. Yeah,
there's a big chance. And I would like to say
something to Glenn, sir. I'm sorry for what you went
through when you were in the military, but I saw

(30:20):
that firsthand in my own outfit, so I know exactly
what you're talking about.

Speaker 9 (30:27):
Now. The idea that racism is somehow going to dissolve
itself and not exist in militaries from a country that
was built on the back of racism would be a
little naive.

Speaker 22 (30:47):
Yeah, So can I say something. They really fool you
when you're in boot camp, because when you're in boot camp,
you don't you get the feeling that none of that
exists because nobody is anything. Everybody is lower than a one,
no one is anything, and so everybody is treated I
don't care who you.

Speaker 9 (31:06):
Are, what color you are.

Speaker 18 (31:11):
But then you pass in review, and when after you
pass them with view and you successfully complete boot camp,
which is hell. Most often you go into a company
or a unit, and that is when you discover what
life is really like.

Speaker 9 (31:30):
So you start as everybody's forced back to zero.

Speaker 19 (31:35):
Look at this though, and this is again I have
to find my own piece in this. These systems that
don't support us, right, but look at it's no different.
The military conversation we're having is no different than athletics.
We all go to the Laker game, Clipper game, Black white, Asian, Hispanic.
We love each other in the game, and as soon
as we hit that parking lot, I can't stand you.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
It's the same.

Speaker 19 (31:57):
It's the same kind of conversation right each other over
jerseys that we don't even own the team. But yet
we could sit in this concert, in this arena and
cheer for the twelve fifteen guys on the court. But
then when we get the parking lot, don't talk to me.

Speaker 9 (32:13):
That's interesting, is that is very interesting. And as you
come out of your boot camp situation where everybody is zero,
everybody starts from zero, you now figure that since we
are at this point, we get to see how the
equations are put together for advancement. We get it an
opportunity to see what it really takes to be respected

(32:37):
and move up into the ranks. And this is where
I'm imagining you start to since that you haven't really
left Alabama, Arkansas, even if you've never been there, or Fontana,
if you haven't forgot about it. So Glenn with this racism,
how did it affect your I mean, you say like

(33:00):
you had a pretty uh, I'm not going to say
cushy job, but you know, navigating up in the navigating
the ship is not quite the same as swabbing the
deck or being down in the hole of the ship
moving munitions and stuff around, or is it. Yeah, well,
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 18 (33:22):
There were days I wish I was down there doing.

Speaker 17 (33:25):
That, any of them exactly.

Speaker 18 (33:29):
It was not nice where I was working. Uh. And
then because of the disparity of African Americans and positions
like I was, you know, I kind of caught a
little flag sometimes from my own brothers, you.

Speaker 22 (33:44):
Know, who said you had a cushy job, right, because
I had a cushy job, and like, who the hell
you think you are?

Speaker 9 (33:53):
Yeah, I will.

Speaker 18 (33:56):
So it was like in a position sometimes, you know,
until they really got to know me, until I understood
that I was just a guy like them, that I
was just being treated like a black guy just like them,
but only they couldn't see it all the time.

Speaker 9 (34:10):
One of the things about human nature is that as
even as we talk about the terrible, terrible, now will
you will find that people are able to laugh, that
people are able to find some type of solace in
even the most terrible level of existence because you made it,
You made it through, and as you made it through,

(34:31):
you still have some expectations up on your leaving the
military that certain things are going to be able to
happen for you, that there is a benefit package. What
does that benefit package sound like to you before you
exit the Marines and the Army and the Air Force,
And what do you expect on your way home? What

(34:54):
do you expect home to be like before you get there,
So that we can set up the idea of the
rationale for disappointment. Why were you disappointed when you came home?

Speaker 17 (35:07):
Well, I think the disappointment is that when you come out.
I know when I was, after forty years coming out
of the Navy, when I went to do my physical
to come out, they told me, how did you get here?

(35:31):
You're not even supposed to be in the service. And
I kind of leaned back and said, well, nobody told
me that when I went in.

Speaker 9 (35:41):
I was trying to say that. I was trying to tell.

Speaker 17 (35:45):
You that nobody said that, and now you're telling me
I didn't have no business in here. And that was
based on on the fact that I had physical disabilities
and stuff. Did they say you ain't that I didn't
know nothing about it that you brought into the deal.
That's right now. That it didn't have anything to do

(36:06):
with you walking through the jungle. They have nothing to
do with you being a knee deep in mud and water.
There has nothing to do with the temperature and the
mosquito bites and the and the and the tension that
that grows across the back of your shoulders and tightening
up your your brain wave. And it had nothing to
do with the fact that I was being.

Speaker 9 (36:29):
Treated like an alien.

Speaker 17 (36:31):
Yes, you know, because when I went in the service,
like Glenn said, uh, they didn't have nothing but deck hands.
But I never accepted that. I went in in the Navy,
you know, you were tested to gain rank and move on.
And so I never wanted to be a deck hand.

(36:51):
I never wanted to chip, paint and swab decks all
the time. So I tested and I went into aviation ordinance.
And when I got my stripes, I was really treated
bad by those who were above me because they were
asking me, how did you get this stripe?

Speaker 9 (37:12):
And I stole them like you, you just stole them. Okay,
So coming out identifying injuries or circumstances in your body
that should have not qualified you to be in the service,

(37:33):
they in other words, ignored and blamed, ignored what the
doctors said was okay when you went in and didn't
blame the doctors, but blamed you, uh somehow, because as
the least, if they blamed the doctors, they said, well,
he shouldn't have been any here. That would have been
some level of acquiesces to the fact that you're a

(37:55):
little guilty in bringing you in. So have you had
injury benefits denied you? Or if you go to the VA,
do you have physical or mental issues that you've had
to deal with? Sure? And I had to well, of course,
then they supported you fully with that you had no
problem getting up. It took me forty years.

Speaker 17 (38:19):
I had to fight forty years to even get them
to acknowledge that this stuff was servants connected. And they
and they, and all the time they're telling you during
this time.

Speaker 9 (38:34):
It's not service connected.

Speaker 17 (38:35):
And I said, well, wait a minute, I didn't have
these problems going in here.

Speaker 9 (38:40):
And you guys agreed with me. When I showed up
at the door and walked through Martin anything like the
same thing.

Speaker 20 (38:49):
Unlike your three other guests, I only served two years
in the army.

Speaker 13 (38:54):
I was drafted. I volunteered for the god.

Speaker 20 (38:56):
Okay, so, and you all know when we came home,
the way we were treated, I have one hundred Let's
talk a.

Speaker 9 (39:05):
Little bit about coming home and how that disappointment were treated.

Speaker 20 (39:10):
You got off the plane in San Francisco area, they
told you to take your uniform off and put your
civilian clothes on, because that's how bad you were going
to be spit upon and called baby killer and this
and that and all that you experience that sure, certainly, yeah,
so I did with what they said. But getting back
to Jimmy's thing, it took me not forty years, but

(39:31):
ten years fighting. And it's always denied, deny, deny, deny.
I have one hundred percent disability from the VA. If
you look at me, you don't think my injuries are
all internal heart disease, little PTSD neuropathy I already had,
I have, I'm on my kidneys are going, you.

Speaker 13 (39:54):
Know, and stuff like that.

Speaker 20 (39:55):
So when they you know, and I didn't get sick
and I was home maybe twenty years later, and then
I realized and I started looking it up, Well, why
am I sick? Nobody else in my family has these issues.
It was because they sprayed the jungle with that agent
orange and then started getting.

Speaker 9 (40:14):
Sick, and everybody was speaking and talking about agent Orange. Yeah,
and I know that they kept denying that they even
used agent Orange. That's right, though. We would look at
video and see this Nate palm and all this stuff.
So here we are with the situation where we know

(40:34):
that our military is extremely valuable. Is discussed as valuable
all the time. It's the largest thing that we spend
money on. I probably more money on equipment obviously than
on personnel. Injured personnel is probably less regarded than moving

(40:59):
the old munitions. You know, I understand we've got munitions
all over the world, minds and stuff that people have
to deal with. But you guys are involved with working
with veterans now to alleviate some of the issues that
you have experienced that you know have taken place. What

(41:20):
kind of problems are you running into as you interface
the need that you see on the streets, working with
people and the services that are available to them and
getting them to those services and the resistance that society
has to providing those services and fighting for those services.

(41:42):
And I'm not going to say voting for people that
you know, don't give a damn, but you know, sometimes
that whole concept of don't be woke, you know, don't
be this is a woke thing. And to go into
our military and right now say that the largest concept
of treason in America's history is something that is all

(42:06):
of a sudden honorable again in that we want to
honor the traders from the Confederacy as opposed to even
treating our veterans of the Afghanistan War, of the Vietnam War,
of the Korean So what are some of the services

(42:27):
and some of the blocks that you're running into trying
to help veterans.

Speaker 19 (42:31):
Now, so I'll personally so I'm not a combat veteran,
you know, but I spent twenty four years in But
the part of my contribution is around the suicide conversation,
right because I.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Know what that feels like, I know what it tastes like.

Speaker 19 (42:46):
You know, I've had plans and all that, but when
I hear and listen to other veterans, you know, there's
a part of us as people that I had to
tell the truth to myself to get to where I'm
at to be in front of you that even before
I joined the service, is in my environment that I
grew up in, there was things going on. So some
of the stuff that I experienced in my environment and
then in the military just exasperated it.

Speaker 9 (43:09):
Right.

Speaker 19 (43:09):
So now you're looking at again, coming out of the military,
life is over or my sense of belonging is fractured?

Speaker 5 (43:16):
Who am I?

Speaker 19 (43:17):
If you didn't have that in your environment, then where
are you going to go find that at? So as veterans,
we're trying to help them. First find peace in where
you are today with yourself. We got to make peace
with your past. I had to go back and heal
my races with my mom and dad, you know, not
just my military career, but I had to pill off
a lot of different layers just to be okay with Okay, Now,

(43:38):
who am I?

Speaker 5 (43:39):
What can I create? What can I become?

Speaker 19 (43:42):
But if I'm carrying all of that upset and frustration
from the service, from the military, from my family, from
my environment, from the system, how can you think freely
if you're carrying all that emotionally.

Speaker 9 (43:54):
Three four, five, six, seven, eight, years ago, it came
to my intention that we were looking at four five
veterans committing suicide.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
Daily, one every sixty five minutes.

Speaker 9 (44:08):
And the concept of that woke me up to pay attention.
But as I speak to Glenn, Glenn brought it to
my attention that we really are not able to know
for sure because no one is actually keeping specific statistics.

(44:30):
Glenn am I correct as I interpreted.

Speaker 18 (44:32):
There's no national there's no national place for keeping the
statistics of veteran suicide. Everything is segmented and fragmented by fate,
and there are oftentimes when a veteran may commit suicide,
and people have actually admitted to this that they realize

(44:57):
that if they call it a suicide, a family will
get no insurance, they'll get nothing, and so you know,
they won't call it a suicide. They'll call it something else.
If a veteran runs into a wall in his car
and he doesn't have a seat belt and he goes
through the window, then you know it was an accident

(45:19):
even and they'll tell people that if you got to
know that, I don't want to see it. So until
there is a national a place where these records are
kept nationally, where instead of a segmented like it is
right now, we'll never have a really clear picture.

Speaker 9 (45:39):
So we're kind of like the mob in the sense
that we keep a big secret that has a negative
effect on our membership, and our membership is forced to
stay in. You have to keep the secret. You're going
to be part of the secret. Uh, And it's not

(45:59):
much of a secret. But how does that occur? Well,
we are witnessed to I guess I can't. I can't
do a show without talking about this guy. Somehow we
have a situation where lying. You know, when I was
coming up, my mother always told me, if I catch

(46:23):
you in a lie, all I can do is wonder
how many I missed you? And as a child who
wanted to get along with my parents and not get
taken out like I was brought in, which was you know,
the constant threat, I don't want to lie. But now

(46:43):
we have a circumstance president an administration that I mean,
if they really had their pants set on fire for
every lie, they would be gone. We wouldn't have to
worry about it. But lying and having a modus apparandus
that says, when you tell the lie, you just keep

(47:05):
on telling it, and sooner or later everybody remembers it. Well,
we say, well, it doesn't really, and we're seeing it
happen right before our eyes. And now we can understand
how history books written by the victor can always be
as full of lies as you want, because if once

(47:27):
it's in the book, and you decide that there any
book that disputes the book is banned and not circulated
or promoted. Now we understand how a lie can be
put together and maintain itself for a historical period. And
I think that we have to stand up and wake

(47:48):
up and etch our truth into the sands of life,
into the woodwork, into the stone work, so that the
truth us not become victim to what we know it,
come victim to as we live it and we see it.

Speaker 19 (48:08):
But even the Bible says that your truth will set
you free. See it's not. When I'm secure and who
I am and I understand my purpose and why I'm here,
and then I can hear why you view what you
how you view life, I don't have to make you
wrong for that. The issue that I have with as
a society today, with the philosophy that we live in,

(48:29):
is the opinions there are so many opinions. We can
have opinion about conversations, but the moment you put in
the opinion up about another human being, that's where the
disconnection from me being connected to you as a person.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
First.

Speaker 19 (48:42):
People forget I was a person before I joined the service.
We were all people first, and people forget that. So
as soon as I label you as a veteran or
a homeless veteran, then I'm going to talk to you
about how the world talks about homeless veterans. I'm going
to talk to you about how the world talks about
whatever category that. That for me is where the work

(49:04):
has to be done. We don't listen to each other.
We label one another. As I said, I'll kill you
because you got a clipper jersey on, but I'll sit
next to you inside the arena. As veterans, you know,
they taught us how to turn these things on, but
not to turn it off.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
And they don't. They don't give you that information when
you get not when you transition out.

Speaker 19 (49:22):
They told us that first matter of fact, the first
or second job you get is not gonna be It's
not gonna be your last job. You're gonna go through
a couple of jobs before you find the job that
you want.

Speaker 9 (49:31):
What what mm hmm.

Speaker 19 (49:33):
So there's things that they do have in place for us.
But for for me, around working with the suicide ideation
and the veterans is restoring that self love, that self confidence,
that self worth, to self value. Because I was, like
I said me, I was proud, I was proud serving.
But if your identity is trapped, look at an athlete
and that they can play sports from five years old

(49:55):
up to the professional level. They make it and then
that professional career has gone there who So we have
to relate that this is a human being conversation. And
if you look at as police officers, they have a
high suicide rate as well. Why because they wear a uniform,
they have the mentality for years and years and years
and when that's taken away or done so as a
people in the society, we have to create a space

(50:18):
where we can start to listen to one another. But
I gotta love my I gotta love myself before I
can love you, all right, And if I if I
have obsessed with Faran, then I might be wearing that
as a shield.

Speaker 9 (50:29):
That's why I think it's so important for us to
understand that we have a big pimple that needs to
be dealt with. If we can't pop everybody's pimple, no,
but we can try to work with everyone to put
some kind of medication under it, or at least understand

(50:50):
that we all have issues, but we don't all have
the power to keep the promise that the institution that
we represent, that we fought for, that we fight for,
that we deal with that the promises of the institution.

(51:12):
This is what the wake up called is about, because yes,
I have to love myself first, but I also have
to understand that as institutions represent themselves as a reflection
of my desire because I'm voting for, I'm paying taxes for,
I'm living for As a military person, you went in

(51:33):
willing to die for. Okay, so yes, your individual issues
are critical, but that representation that's being made about what
you want by the institution is something that you never
get a chance to back away from. And if we're
walking around delusion, misguided, misaffected about ourselves and the institution,

(52:01):
and those who keep running it perpetuate that and continue
running in an opposite direction, denying you your rights, ignoring
the principle that we said we were going to be
using you for to correct and make better. Then somehow

(52:22):
along the way we've got to change it.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
You got to find your own way.

Speaker 9 (52:29):
Well, you find out we have to find our own
right because individually, if there's millions of us, believe me,
there's a million angles that all of us can take
and not really even touch each other exactly, okay. And
you find that out as you leave the stadium, that
we could sit next to each other and touch each
other in the stadium, but as we leave the stadium,

(52:50):
we're able to go off at different angles and not
touch each other, not be affected by each other, and really,
to a certain extent, ignore each other. And that's the
part ignoring. And as you put together your program in
Fontana for veterans, are you finding that there are people
and circumstances that could be helpful that are ignoring you,

(53:14):
that are stepping the other way, that are not stepping up,
And of course the ones we really want to talk
about of those folks who are supporting.

Speaker 20 (53:23):
Absolutely, and it's one of my reasons for being here.
Without mentioning any names, I did attend the Smborginal County
Board of meeting over there and Board of supervisors, yes, okay,
and got zero results.

Speaker 9 (53:40):
There's only five people over there to talk about. Well.

Speaker 20 (53:45):
I also attended, went to my state representative here and
got zero.

Speaker 9 (53:54):
Help.

Speaker 13 (53:55):
So can I read something police?

Speaker 9 (53:56):
Oh? You can? And certainly I'm gonna you know, I
have a hero image of at least one of those
supervisors over there. Okay, one of them, mister Joe Bacca
Junior should be a hero, all right. Mister Paul Cook
is an ex military person. He should be a hero.
And if they're not, then we need to, you know,

(54:18):
hold their feet to the fire. But go ahead, I like.

Speaker 20 (54:21):
To explain something, Okay, so real quick. Heroes Warehouse, which
I belong to I am vice president of a veteran
focused nonprofit, was founded in twenty fourteen by Mary Kelly Moore.

Speaker 13 (54:32):
And three Vietnam veterans.

Speaker 20 (54:34):
In twenty sixteen, Heroes Warehouse received it's five oh one
C three nonprofit. In twenty seventeen, Heroes Warehouse received the
Nonprofit of the Year award for California District twenty. Now,
one of my reasons for being here and going out
and seeking.

Speaker 13 (54:51):
Help is.

Speaker 20 (54:54):
We rent the space in Ontario and it's super expensive
and it's like four thousand a month and if you
don't have any money coming in, well, then you're going
to be in trouble. So what we're actually looking for
is a larger facility. We're in twenty five hundred square feet.
We would like to get something maybe closer to thirty

(55:16):
five hundred square feet at least, and which would help
us deal with our furniture.

Speaker 9 (55:24):
You guys have furniture that's available.

Speaker 20 (55:26):
For veterans, and we work with Lomlenda. Lomlenda sends us
the veteran and then we make an appointment. They come
in and get their furniture no cost to them, because
they deserve it, they earned it.

Speaker 9 (55:40):
Okay, So I'm going to play a little devil's advocate here.
This is what Wallace does your circumstances that you need
more space for inventory, Yes, for service people who need furniture.

Speaker 13 (55:56):
Correct.

Speaker 9 (55:57):
Okay, So if you're not having enough service people come
and use the furniture that you have now, which means
that's why you need more space, so that you so
you've got.

Speaker 13 (56:09):
Too much furniture, yes at the moment, right, I mean so.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
This from the eyes of the supervisors, yes, and people
that are asking you to telling you, well, I don't
have you know, helping you get more space. Isn't the
issue getting more people who need your furniture seems to be.

Speaker 13 (56:27):
The issue that is one of them.

Speaker 9 (56:28):
Yes, yes, so as if you were able to move
that furniture out of there really quick, you almost would
would need no inventory space if there were enough people
who really needed the furniture. And that's that's just an
angle to look at that on so that you may
decide to you know, open your your your window a

(56:50):
little bit in terms of what you're probably trying to
serve them with. Because if if we're I went by
a restaurant yesterday and they had people standing out the
door and I said, wow, why is that The people
were waiting for food? Evidently because the guy had to
go buy some more food to cook because he wasn't
prepared for the big response that he had, and it

(57:12):
was it wasn't It's an operation situation. And I say
that because I'm available to help you. I'll help analyze
what you're doing and see if there's some way we
can make that work a little bit better in terms
of getting your more service people. It's that same situation
you're talking about. Jimmy.

Speaker 17 (57:31):
Well, I think the thing is we've tried to impact
the community.

Speaker 9 (57:37):
Okay, but that's hard. Yeah, that's the same thing they're doing, Glenn.
What can we This is the quickest hour on radio.
That's why I'm speeding up. Now, what's the last word?
And how can people participate in what you're doing in
hip out?

Speaker 18 (57:51):
Okay? First of all, I like to say I love
that furniture program. We could use that right out here.

Speaker 9 (57:57):
Maybe we can put some trucks together and get some
furnitureship I'm serious if that, If that's the case, because
you don't have to, but go ahead, go ahead, yep.

Speaker 18 (58:08):
And you know we are about to get start a
fundraiser to raise the funds to be able to do
this series and so our masking veterans. We have right
now twenty point seven million veterans and interesting enough, the
second largest amount of veterans in the United.

Speaker 9 (58:31):
States thirty seconds.

Speaker 18 (58:34):
We have given so much, we continue to give so much.
There's two and a half million black veterans right now.

Speaker 9 (58:41):
Give them a number how they can get in touch with.

Speaker 22 (58:43):
You, please, Yeah, so you can give me a phone.

Speaker 18 (58:48):
Call at three two, three, eight four nine eight five
one one. Go and see the scene that we just
got through shooting at www dot Mission Transition Condition dot com.

Speaker 9 (59:03):
Call Glenn and ask him, ask him more about this
program and he'll tell you everything. Glenn, give him that
number one more time.

Speaker 18 (59:10):
Yeah, that number very code three two three eight four
nine eight five one one. Email me at Glenn.

Speaker 9 (59:18):
Just call him, Just call him. He'll give you that
number later for Rin. Yes, you're on the air here.
Tell people when.

Speaker 19 (59:24):
You listen to your show eight pm tonight on the
Front Dose they show at kc RADO eight pm tonight.
You can find information about what I'm up to Iehounds
dot com. We're a professional ABA basketball team. We're using
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com for more about what I'm up to.

Speaker 9 (59:39):
I appreciate you listen, guys. I appreciate what you're doing. Folks.
It's up to you. Wake up.

Speaker 17 (59:46):
You can go, you can walk in your sleep, or
you can stand up and do the right thing. And
it doesn't have to be what Waller sells you or
even suggest.

Speaker 9 (59:54):
Wake up, pay attention and support what you think God
needs you to support, need you to do something besides sleep.
Wake up, be woke, be proud. See you guys next
week under two circumstances