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can't stop us now, it's too late to get us
to stop us. We can slow down, though, sometimes we
do need to slow down. This is Empire Talks Back.
I'm bolling as Alan here on the case the truth
and justice with the right information to help improve the situation. Yeah,
we can slow down, we can speed up. I'll tell
you one thing doesn't change. There is nothing common about
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common sense, folks. I tell you we are so influenceable
by people of influence, folks that got big time names,
big time reputations. I remember when I was a young
man and there was this great guitar player, mister Jimmy Hendrix.
Man me and my crew, Jimmy Hendricks. If Jimmy Hendricks
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had wanted us to start a revolution, or jump off
a cliff or eat some crazy stuff, all he had
to do was say it, and we would have done it.
I'm telling you now, I mean that's the truth. We
were groupies in the sense that if Jimmy said it,
we'd do it. We love the music, we loved the guy.
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We were blessed enough to meet him. He came to
the house. I was actually on stage with him at
a concert, the Forum Concert. Matter of fact, if you
got video of the Forum concert in nineteen Michaeldness is
not a long time ago nineteen something. But the guy
over there in the in the in the right colored
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mister brown looking pants. You know who mister Brown is
on the Okay, real well, I had. I had the
original mister Brown pants on it at that concert. But
my point is this, if someone's famous says it, if
someone famous does it, it's okay. We will often look
at some problem situation, we'll say who did that as
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if hey, you know, it depends on who did it
as to whether we're going to do something about it,
because if Jimmy did it, it's cool. But I tell you, well,
you spill that we got a problem with you. We
are We are people who are capable a very very fine, scientific, objective,
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brilliant thinking, and at the same time we are capable
of ignoring everything sensible, logical that is in front of
us as we make our decisions. How and why do
we do these things? I don't know, but I do
know that if we strip out some of the names,
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sometimes we can see the benefit of logical thinking, as
long as we don't fool ourselves by putting big names
in the deal. Now, today I have some I'll tell
you these are really superstar people. These are people that
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you probably would be spending lots of money and breaking
down doors to try to come down here and see
at the studio. But I'm not gonna give them. I'm
not gonna tell you they're they're real, real, real, real names,
because that means throw you off. So I'm not gonna
tell you that Beyonce's down here, not because she isn't
down here, not because she is here. I'm gonna say
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the same thing, the same thing about President Trump. He
could be here, but I'm not gonna tell you. I
want you to be able to just ignore the celebrity
of the people that I'm talking about. Okay, So I'm
gonna name. I'm gonna I'm gonna My mother's name is Ruth.
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She's a wise lady. She'll be turning ninety eight years
old on the fourteenth of this month. Happy birthday to you. Okay.
And so we have Ruth on the far left. Okay, see,
there we go, there we go. And we also have
a Joe Anne right next to her another woman of
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wisdom who who is speaking to us from heaven. Okay,
she's brilliant woman, able to continue her message despite having
left this planet, you know. And and we don't want
to miss that part. And we also have mister James Kine,
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a man that I'll have to admit you will probably
be hearing more about even in the name of James Kane, Folks,
Ruth Joanne James, Welcome to Empire Talks Back Radio. How
are you guys this morning? Thank you excellent, excellent. You
know I like you guys right away because you laughed
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at my first joke. I said, this is indeed an
intelligent group of people, without a doubt, a very intelligent
group of people. All right, No, okay, so okay, we're
going to go into some quizzes here. I'm not gonna
name the place or the situation or the place situation,
but I want us to figure out if we think
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this is right. Okay, there is a place where people
have been living for years. Uh some cases they claim
to have been living there since Jesus was here.
Speaker 11 (13:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
There's another group of people who have wandered the planet,
got chased out of one place and in the middle
of a tremendous war where assigned another place to live
happened to be over in the area where these same
people had claimed to have been there for thousands of years.
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They have war, they have they have this big ignorant
fight as to you know, who God loves the most,
you know, kind of what kids say. You know, Mama
loves his, Daddy loved me, money love you. I got
the right to be more than you do, and you got.
They gave you more ice cream then, and now I
need to tighten this up now, and I need to
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have the car since you had all the ice cream.
I need the car. The group of people who've been
there for thousands of years, per their claim, were unable
to really feed themselves.
Speaker 12 (14:27):
Or do anything.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Such a tragedy, such a tragedy. But you know, they
were doing okay, but the other group was doing great.
So someone in this group of folks that had been
there thousands of years said, you know, those folks over there,
they're just treating us so bad, and I'm really ticked
off and stuff about it. And they went over there
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and they started, actually they did a very they created
an atrocity. They went over there and murdered some babies
and some g and blew up some buildings, and they're
a terrible thing. The bigger group, thet powerful that had
moved in, did what I don't know most folks could do.
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They they got angry and they retaliated, and you know,
they beat down the other group, beat them down, beat
them down, beat them down, and then stumped them down
and then started grinding them down. And everybody looked around
just you know, when they beat them down the first time,
everybody said, well, yeah, we can understand that. And they
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kept beating them down, and then other people said, well,
you know, it's getting kind of rough now, and they
started stomping them. Folks said, wow, maybe that's a little overkill.
I don't know. But when they started grinding them into
the dirt, making them disappear, baby starving things of that sort,
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the world kind of changed its mind looking at it.
My question to you is is there such thing as overkilled?
I know that the police, our laws in the country
here is say that you can defend yourself. Yes, you know,
if somebody jumps on you, you can defend yourself. But
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then if they run away and try to get away,
you can't chase them. Can't chase them down and beat
them down and kill them. You know, that's that's so
how do you how do you guys respond to that
kind of circumstance without getting involved in the names of
who they are and whose famous misroofs. What do you
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What do you think about that?
Speaker 13 (16:38):
I think there's definitely a such thing as overkill, because
there's there's like you can have like a vendetta, you
can have a grudge. I feel like a grudge is
overkilled and that no, a vendetta is overkilled, and the
grudge is like like you can get over that, Like
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if somebody stole my purse, I can beat that person up,
get my purse back. But then it's like if you
go overkill, it's like I'm going to kill him, his family,
all of that, all of it because they did me
wrong and anyone associated with him did me wrong. Like
that's overkilled.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You know.
Speaker 11 (17:25):
I don't know about that because I was you know,
I was in security for years, so I have got attacked,
you know, and I stand your ground. I stoleed my ground.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Anybody you like to kind of go back and chase down.
Speaker 11 (17:42):
A whole lot. So because you know, I had that,
you know where I can stand my ground type of thing,
or yeah, he got beat down right then and there,
and I'm not going to allow him to run away
because then when he runs away, I'm just like, Okay,
I cannot chase out for him because now I'm doo aggressive.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And plus he may run off and get something to come.
Speaker 11 (18:06):
Yes, exactly, Yeah that is true.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
So we've got the idea that we there's a risk.
Speaker 14 (18:14):
Okay, James, I believe there's a twofold answer. It's the
perception of the individual, and then there's also the perception
of how the law reads. The law may say overkill
is once you take control of a situation, but mentally,
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some people can go from zero to rage. So the
rage will take over their perception and then they do
not know how to release that that pressure. So it's
many aspects and to overkill or who's in control at that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Time and how far it goes. Because we've got people
that are watching. Maybe some folks understood it from the beginning.
Some people just came in at the middle, and some
just came in at the end. And you know, they
only see they only see, Well, I guess if you
watch basketball, like I do. Some times you'll miss the
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first foul, but you'll see the reaction, and the official
calls a technical on the second person who was responding,
as opposed to the person who actually began the issue.
So how how can we reconcile a situation that is
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actually bigger than anyone who is involved can see? And
note that their actions involved way more people than just
the two of them or the three of them were
in formed them, and that there is a an ultimate
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echo that we would like to control, am my clear
on that? How do we deal how do we deal
with this inequity of information flow and and this zero
to one hundred mile an hour rage potential and this
desire to not only be even, but get it get ahead.
Speaker 13 (20:31):
Well, so it kind of reminded me of and this
was a cartoon based on an actual story. So there
was these rival on their like country families. It was
like the hat Fields and the McCoy's, right, they were
always he knows, it's an old It was literally on
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looney to So the hot Fields and the McCoy's have
been rivals their whole life, generation to generation to generation, right,
But it was kind of like Romeo and Juliet. The
son falls in love with the daughter. The sons of
hat filled the daughters of McCoy, but they cannot get married.
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But they're after a while. It's been centuries, right, what
happened in the beginning, somebody stole like a pig and
they were like, that's mine, and then they were like
shooting each other and all this stuff all the time.
So after a while, though, like the story gets changed,
people are forgetting exactly what really happened? Did he really
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still then the reason why they started fighting starts to
get blurred. Yes, but they're still fighting absolutely. So after
a while they were just like, like what happened is
they saw like they were fighting, they were trying to
keep them apart, and then they realized like, like why
do we need to keep fighting? Like the there were
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two people who were involved in the beginning. Those two
people they had it out and it was dealt with.
Why are we still fighting? Right because it was dealt
with in the beginning, But they just held onto the grudge.
But all these other people generations after, they had nothing
to do. They did nothing wrong. The son, the daughter,
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they were not. They haven't stole anything, So why then
I feel like at that point it needs to just
be done.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And you suggested that despite this rivalry and family war
against each other, there was an occasion where the girl
on one side and the guy on the other side
saw each other at the county fair or something, yeah,
and didn't realize as they were having such fun together
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who they were, and when they introduced themselves and heard
each other's last name, all of a sudden, another thing potential.
So so are you are you innocently saying or are
you doing it on purpose to say that though evil
and misunderstanding drew those two families apart, they're potentially love
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would bring them back together.
Speaker 13 (23:17):
I think that not just love, but the fact that
the matter was so long ago and the people who
are now involved had nothing to do with that matter
that happened fifty years ago. I think there's no reason
to have discord. There's no reason for it anymore because
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it's in the past. You need to let go and
start moving forward to the future where we can be
a community now.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That would assume that during this time of battling back
and forth, that we didn't create new reasons. Yeah, okay,
so we're still kind of stuck with though I don't
really remember what happened with Parr and your great great
uncle at the time. I do know what happened to
me and your cousin Bill a couple of weeks ago, okay,
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and you know he just narrowly missed me, but he
did shoot at me. So it's and so at some point,
you know, we may we we may want to sit
down and reconcile. And I think that's that's the first thing.
Do we want to reconcile? And as we sit and
watch the the atrocity and the horror of the echo
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of something that happened years and years ago, and how
do we pull that together? And but it is something
that we need to think about and realize and and
and in our life today. You know, we have we
have a country that is gone from a level of
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high respect from most of the they're pure countries to
one where they're being uh really accused at this point
of genocide. I'm not and I'm going to continue my
question to not mention names. But I think as we
logically look at that, we realize that there's there's been
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some overkill. There's been some justified responses and actions, but
there's been some overkilled, and if we want to get along,
if we want to make progress, if we no longer
want to see baby starving and adults losing hope, you know,
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we may want to, you know, take another step there
undertake a short break. You're going to come back and
we're going to discuss another circumstance that common sense says
we should be able to respond to a little bit different. Ruth,
Joeann James. I'm enjoying this, all right. This is in
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prout talks. Back on Wallace, Allen, stick around. We're gonna
if we're gonna solve I believe this problem of borders
and who should come across and then what happens when
they do. Right after this short rig we'll be right back.
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Speaker 12 (27:02):
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Speaker 11 (27:30):
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Speaker 12 (27:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
This that that leads right into what I wanted to
talk about. Now, you got people in Chicago who wanted
to move west, and you got people on the west
who wanted to move east. And we didn't have a
real good highway system. So the United States have America
built Roots sixty six from Chicago to la for thirty
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five hundred and forty five hundred miles. I don't know
how many miles. I wouldn't want to walk them, but
they built it. They built it so people could traverse
from one end to the other. We could merge, merge
our cultures. We could take the food the fruit eaters
and ride them through the area where they were the
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meat eaters, you know, from the vegetable growers in Chicago,
into the cattle country of Missouri and Oklahoma and Texas
got a place in Texas where they I think it's
a thirty two ounce steak. If you eat that bad boy,
you eat that bad boy, it's free. You know, if
you eat only thirty one ounces, you got to pay
for it. But the point I'm making is that, you
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know this, we celebrate movement, We celebrate going from one
place to another and sharing culture and et cetera. There
was a uh, the contract that allowed California to become
part of the United States, the sanad Algo uh Treaty.
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I believe that's the name of it. But anyway, it
acknowledged that, you know, this was going to be calam
Mexico in MEXICALI. You know this, this this was a
beautiful purchase or acquisition, but it was going to be borderless.
You know, we were going to be speaking English and
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Spanish here and and all of that stuff. Uh we
uh for some reason somewhere, and I don't know, maybe
it stuck with us from the beginning of the history
of stealing people from Africa. Okay, we paid for him.
We paid for him. We didn't steal Okay, uh, bringing
people from Africa that didn't want to come. Well, what
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the people we paid for wanted them come? They want
them out. They didn't care what happened to them, and
they're just as guilty. Well, I don't know. People in
Africa had a tradition of slavery that allowed the slave
to actually become the king of the new tribe that
slaved them. Well, you guys had Obama. Yeah, but it
took them there four hundred years, and you all decided
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when he got ready to be president, the opposition said, well,
one thing we can guarantee is that we're not going
to do anything at all to support this guy for
the time he's there. I regress, I didn't mean to
go all the way over there. But my point is
that we have a history of racism that tends to
tear our treaties apart. Any treaties that our country has
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had with the original inhabitants of North America, the United States,
our Native Americans. Those treaties, you know, they didn't mean
anything except this was a placeholder until we decided that
we don't want you to be here anymore. We're gonna
take this particular Oh, this is oil on this land,
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gold on this land. Oh, this land actually grows food.
You can't. Yeah, well, and I don't want to say
anything about capitalism bad. But at the same time, it
depends on you know how we're going to be your capital.
Now you are, but you are your property. So Mexico,
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the Mexican border is now fenced off. Some people think
that's great. Some people think it's absolutely great that we
have no people crossing the border illegally or any of
that stuff. But let's look at some border states Texas, Arizona, Mexico, California,
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our immigration laws, our laws forgetting allowing people to come
across the border and work. Because some people want to
come across the border and work and stay here. Some
want to come across the border work and take their
money back to where they come from to make their
family better there. I'm not going to say eating one
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of those is better or worse than the other. I
am going to say that there appears to be a
problem that we say based on illegal illegal illegal. That
means they don't go through a process that we have
determined as proper and legal to come into the country. Meanwhile,
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you know, our total publicity is come to America. Everything
says the world is better here. You know, our even
even our bad stuff, is better than your good stuff
anywhere else because you're going to be in America because
we've worked together. It's a democracy, and everybody's free to
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get as successful as they want to if they're willing
to butt their head up against the wall. And the
people that want to, you know, want to hold them back.
So we have this situation where people are from what
i'm hearing, paying someone up to ten fifteen thousand dollars
to help sneak them into America. Pay them fifteen thousand,
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ten thousand dollars to sneak them into America, and America says, well, know,
these people that come in are not they're not productive,
they're not legal, they're not adding to they're taking away
from They injure us potentially in terms of they're not
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medically clean. They may run around and not have a
place to stay, they may not really be productive or
have a job, and therefore whatever, if they don't line
up prep or property and come in, we don't know
what they're going to be doing, so they shouldn't be here.
And that creates a big industry of coyotes. They call
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the coyote. The people that lead them in, the smugglers
and all of that. So we've got a group of
people who are willing to pay let's say, ten thousand
dollars to be snuck into America, sneaked into America, smuggled
into America, and we've got America spending I don't know,
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twenty thousand dollars to keep them out each or even
the same ten thousand. But at the same time, we said,
we need these people, we want them here, but we
want them here in a certain Can you think of
anything or any way that could reconcile those differences can
allow people to follow that dream of coming into America
(35:05):
and not be regarded as some kind of scorge scourge
to America.
Speaker 14 (35:15):
Would you think to games, Well, that's a great topic, and.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I believe that.
Speaker 14 (35:27):
It has to be some kind of communication. Security is important.
You don't just want anybody coming over from anywhere with America.
We have to always be vigilant of what's out there,
who enjoys our freedoms, who doesn't want us to be free.
(35:53):
So I just think we need to come to some
kind of dialogue that can work for both sides, where
it be mutual respect, mutual finance and mutual responsibility responsibilities. Yes,
(36:20):
Oh so.
Speaker 11 (36:21):
I can't just go over there and just put up
a wall. So you're gonna be disrespected by that?
Speaker 14 (36:26):
Oh yes, especially if I have to pay for it.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
Of course you gotta pay for it. I got the people,
I got the people to build it. How much money
you're gonna give me to build this wall?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Just your answer? Uh? What do you? What do you say, Joanne?
Your comments on this open up? I got a plan.
I just want to hear.
Speaker 11 (36:54):
Okay, So that whole thing was it was a joke, but.
Speaker 12 (36:59):
It's truth.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
No, no, you said it's a joke. But there was
a person who said we're gonna build a wall and
they're gonna pay for it. Yeah, and we did build
a wall, but they haven't stepped up to pay for it.
And they didn't agree.
Speaker 11 (37:13):
To pay for it the first place, because that person
just went over there and said, I'm gonna do what
I'm going to do, and you know, dismiss you know,
you know the other person.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
But he was he was doing this outher thing of
creating a dollar of security. Wasn't too much dialogues. It's
security and you got military now that you know, keeps
them out. And that's where I get that large number
for keeping them out, because these are our soldiers, thousands
and thousands of soldiers at the border. Miss rous, Did
(37:46):
you please have a comment?
Speaker 13 (37:47):
Oh no, I agree. I think if the person who
had the idea to build the wall wants to build
the wall, then they should pay for it. And you know,
there's should be they should just be a communication of
where it's going to be. But I'm paying for it,
you know, like if that's if it's like this wall
(38:08):
is so necessary, then that person should pay for it.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Okay, Okay, here's my plan. Here's my suggestion. Yes, okay.
We have people who are willing to pay to come
to America, and we have questions about their stability when
they get here. Yes, and we are America, the land
(38:35):
of capitalism, yes, sir, the land of creativity, the land
where we love making a deal. I suggest that we
take those people who want to pay. Instead of paying
a coyote, they should be able to pay a state
agency something that would allow us at the security level
(39:00):
to feel secure about them coming for a specific period
of time to be in a specific area to do
some specific things. So if they were able to give
us give the agency enough money that if they came
with ten thousand dollars, that should be able to be
(39:23):
sure that they're healthy. They should get a health check
and some insurance. They should be able to use that
money to demonstrate that they've got a place to live.
They should have used that connection to say, well, I've
got a job or the potential for a job. They've
got enough money that we are able to give them
(39:46):
a telephone that we can track and trace, or some
other means of tracking and tracing them. None of us
is able to walk around and not be trackable and traceable.
Insult to telling someone that you're here on a type
of visa that says we need to be able to
(40:07):
check and trace you. Yeah, and if you've got ten
thousand dollars and you're eight thousand dollars is used to
do this. We're going to keep two thousand and deposit
that's gaining interest for you so that when you get
ready to leave, or if you have some type of emergency,
we've got this money on in an escrow account that
(40:27):
shows who you are and where you are. Now. Most
of the people who come across the border have a
place to go. They're not just we see some homelessness,
but when we see homelessness, unfortunately, it does not. When
(40:49):
I say unfortunately, I don't mean that they should be
the commones that are homeless. The people that we see
homeless are generally American citizens who couldn't figure it out. Yes, ya,
maybe because of some mental illness, maybe because of some
catastrophe in their life, but they generally are the ones
who couldn't figure it out. However, the immigrant population, if
(41:15):
they're homeless, they tend to be able to hide it
because they get to go stay with somebody. Yes, in
some kind of circumstance that you and I most Americans
would say it's kind of squeezed up, but they generally
are able to say that, no, this is okay for
now to do what they need to do, whether it
be to make money to send home, or to make
(41:37):
money temporarily, or to make money so they can move
up the ladder. I'm making that kind of suggestion because
that allows us at least to stay in the same
lane that America says it's driving, as opposed to all
of a sudden now we are kicking people out, kicking
(42:01):
people out, stopping people from coming in and we're using
discriminatory reasons for that, because the same reasons that we
don't let Haitians and Nica Roguin's and Hondurian people in
are not the reasons we don't let Ukrainian people in
(42:24):
or Scandinavian people in. There is a difference, and I
think there's a racial tone to it. But I think
that we would not solve our integration immigration problem, but
we could certainly make it create different problems that are
more issue like as opposed to life changing, life stifling
(42:49):
situations that we force people into now with our immigration PROBLEMSY,
what do you think about my suggestions? Well, now I'm
not going to be president.
Speaker 14 (43:00):
Run yes, because you know that's where I was going.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
One of it. But how do you respond to my idea?
Speaker 14 (43:11):
Wow, it's a great idea. First, let me applaud you
on coming up with that kind of organization and structure.
But I'm also I want to speak about those who
can afford to come pay and go through that kind
(43:32):
of structure, because this is why they come to America.
They're looking for the American dream what is commonly affordable
to us. In the third world country, they're barely surviving
as we see it. To them, they're still happiness, joy
and a way of life. But to us in America
(43:56):
are where life is. So I don't want to say superior,
but that word does fit at times, and sometimes we
feel superior. So superiority plays a big role in America's identity.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Economic superiority. Yes, now, don't forget now we're talking about
these people either paying a coyote or paying us. Now,
now there are people who probably don't have the ten thousand. Yeah,
but if they don't have the ten thousand, I doubt
if they're coming, you know, walking at two thousand miles
from Central America through the jungle on their own without
(44:39):
a coyote, because it appears that these people have to
have a guide in general to get there, and these
guides are not you know, high humane benefactors generally get paid,
so you know, so.
Speaker 14 (44:56):
The finances coming from somewhere.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I mean, so my plan only deals with those
folks who are, as we see it, paying someone else
to help sneak them into America and that group of
people that are poor. You're right now that needs to
be dealt with. But we can't ignore the fact that
our news stories and evidence shows that people are paying
(45:23):
ten fifteen thousand dollars in some cases to actually get here. Yes,
but yes, I agree with you that we don't want
to price people out. But people seem to be willing
as doctors or high level people in their.
Speaker 14 (45:46):
Own country, as humans will find a way to survive.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
But we have people who come here as professionals from
where they come, yes, and where they work when they
get here is not at that level. Not a doctor
when they get here. They've got to go through some changes.
They're not a lawyer when they get here. They're not
an accountant when they get here. They have to do
what they can do, which is the human spirit that
(46:13):
makes America have the potential greatness that it is the
idea that you know, we'll stand on a small block
with the idea that given some time, in good circumstances,
we'll be able to expand this this foot space that
we're occupying. Yeah, so missus Joanne, how do you feel
(46:36):
about this idea?
Speaker 12 (46:37):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I agree?
Speaker 11 (46:40):
I agree? See me if you think about the money,
that's why the coyotes there, because like he said, okay,
what about the poor people? What happened is she had
or he had five thousand dollars and the coyotes like, oh,
you know, give me that five thousand dollars, I can
get you where you need.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
To go, get your cross water and see you later. Yep.
Speaker 11 (47:02):
And then he continued doing it and profering offer the
people that don't have that ten thousand dollars to actually
go through the proper structure to get over here.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
And in terms of welcoming people, yes, I don't know
when you guys came to went to school, probably years
after I did. But this still bragging about America in
school than in our kids earlier the world.
Speaker 11 (47:35):
That's a that's a good question because I grew up
in the nineties two thousand.
Speaker 14 (47:43):
No, they wasn't.
Speaker 11 (47:45):
It for me. Growing up in school, it was harder
to even know my history and the American history because
they was not focused on that as much. And when
I was going to school, I don't know about you.
Speaker 13 (48:01):
I mean, I grew up in the I'm an eighties baby,
So from there to now, I feel like American history
was was definitely promoted. Like the lie about Thanksgiving and
Columbus name was very current at that time. They said
that they had a peaceful dinner and the Pilgrims came
(48:25):
and everything was all good. And then fast forward to
when I get to high school, They're like, oh, yeah, no,
actually Columbus is a criminal and there was genocide. I'm like,
I was making turkey, So it was it was definitely
like what happened the.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Rewriting and history or reinterpretation, yeah, something. I think I
was in high school before I discovered that Christmas Addicts
was black and the under stand that one of the
war crists for the Americans during the American Revolution was
(49:06):
remember Christmas, Addicts, Remember Christmas. So, you know, the idea
of rewriting history, which is another issue it has come up.
We find that we now are in an era where
those people who want to rewrite history, turning the Civil
(49:29):
War into a situation where the folks that fought against America,
who rebelled against America, are wanting to be regarded as heroes. Yes,
and name our name, our military, our military installations after
(49:56):
the generals. We have a big, a big wall of
fame in Georgia. The the big park there where you
have this structure was done before our Mount Rushmore structures
that that memorialized Robert E. Lee and the other you know,
(50:20):
the generals from the Civil War, the Confederacy. The president
now is reaffecting that. And there are certainly people who
have not ever let it go that you know, this
is our history, well it is your history, but you're
(50:43):
not claiming it as a treasonous history. You're claiming it
as you know, some type of noble effort, you know,
as if there's some nobility and keeping Africans enslaved, as
if there's some nobility and not well. And there appears
to be an attitude that says that because some folks
(51:05):
are able to look at the difference in slavery and
the difference in how you treat poor people and realize
that you know, slavery and guaranteed a little shack to
lay in, you know, and some and some some leftovers
that you can figure out how to cook. But poor
(51:26):
doesn't require that, doesn't doesn't guarantee that you have access
to that, But you have access to freedom, yes, freely poor.
So our ideals, our ideals as Americans says that we
are free to think and figure these things out. And certainly,
(51:50):
as we talk about these issues that we talked about today,
they don't affect everybody, and we are able to, you know,
live our lives and watch TV, go to work, and
you know, ignore, forget, or never even hear about the
things that we've talked about this morning. One of the
things that we can ignore and never hear or talk
(52:12):
about is microplastics, something that's very, very very prominent in
our lives, and not most of us dealing with it all.
But it seems like, I don't know, Eric, if you
can find that song plastic People, classic people. But yeah,
years ago there was a big hit, a song called
(52:33):
plastic People and it was about how you know, people
just you know, not really sensitive and all that. Classic,
but that song has come into a reality and then
we are all eating plastic. We're all breathing plastic. And
when I heard that we're breathing plastic, goodness, How small
(52:55):
can plastic be? But it's in the ground from so
much that we do that. Do they say that it
can grow, that it can be absorbed by the plants
that are growing in the ground through the roots, I'm saying,
so they say, well, that's why we call them microplastics.
They're so small that you can't Yeah, So as we eat, drink, breathe,
(53:23):
we're absorbing plastic, and it's throughout our bodies. It's throughout
our organs, the brain, the heart, the blood vessels, and
we are becoming plastic.
Speaker 14 (53:34):
We becoming the fabulous. For yeah, and that that may
be the case.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
It's it's so prominent though that you know, I'm asking
the question, Well, maybe maybe plastic at some kind of
natural occurrence. And when we and when we put it together,
that that we are inventing plastic. Maybe the same process
(54:04):
that they used to invent plastic. Maybe their process takes
place in our body anyway, I don't know, but they
are discovering that plastic is in our bodies. Well you
wouldn't bring that up. And there's this guy from the
CIA and he's creeping around Laurel.
Speaker 4 (54:24):
Canyon spying them.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
She waits for me.
Speaker 7 (54:33):
She is a plastic she cast me.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
She changes her face.
Speaker 11 (54:39):
With plastic, dude, and wraps her hair with some shampoo plastic.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
So Eric, who's that boy? Frank Zappa Zappa a great thinker,
one of the original wild thinkers, taking advantage of the
music to give social message that was too deep for
people to really pay attention to. And so here we
(55:16):
are classic people. We are we are absorbing this plastic.
We have enough plastic that gathers in the ocean that's
as big as I think they say, as big as
New Hampshire sitting out in the middle of the ocean.
Is just has collected. It's our fish are eating it,
(55:36):
and we eat the fish. And so you know, and
I don't know, you guys have probably been hearing don't
microwave classic, Yes, don't eat certain stuff in Classic. And
I don't know how true we feel about it, but
(55:57):
it seems to be a truth. As we hear things
that we can evidence. How willing are we to change
our lifestyle when we hear and see the effects of evidence.
They talk about the processed food. Processed food is the
(56:18):
food that you know, it lasts longer, you know, it
sticks around and refrigerated. It seems down that it sticks
around on you, on us too. It doesn't process. You know,
it's been processed, so it doesn't process. Once we get
the idiot, we just it just hangs around. But it
was processed before we ate it. It doesn't process anymore
(56:45):
into yeah, twinkies, but you know the twinkie doesn't I mean,
it doesn't change. The twinkie is just as good as
it as it was years ago, And how good was
it twenty years ago?
Speaker 8 (57:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
It doesn't go away. I'll tell you that. Yeah. Yeah,
things that don't disintegrate, things that add the little bugs
can't eat or won't eat, but they'll eat the plastic.
So once again, whuldn't we get our messages that things
(57:24):
are not right from inside, from our brain, from even
our side? Is what is it about human nature that
makes us ignore what's right? There ain't nothing common about
common sense. But I think most of us James is
challenged visually. But I would probably ask if I had
(57:52):
a contest or desire to note what something smelled like
or tasted like, I'd expect his since there was a
little bit better. But if I'm getting ready to ride
to l A in the car, I'll get you there.
Speaker 14 (58:10):
In my teslor, I'll get you there.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
My point there is he's willing to trust tesla. I
mean you said, and I see tests having the problem
driving around in areas where they've got the materials, you know,
the computers set up to allow them to read and
hear each other.
Speaker 14 (58:35):
And problem it's not that I trust. That's what everyone
tells me. Oh, it's accommodation in a tesla, and common
sense tells me to ride. The omni shows you.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
To ride something of yes. But I think that when
we sacrifice once since, we probably open up the ability
to magnify another level of sense. And folks, if we
are not going to pay attention with our common sense,
(59:12):
that means we need to slow down and read more,
study more so that our logical sense is able to
step up and protect us a little bit. And I
think you guys have demonstrated you know that logic is
a little bit harder to reach out for, but it's
a lot more it's a lot more dependable. I depend
(59:36):
on you guys continuing your wonderful attitude and make you
Wereld a better place. I want to thank you for joining.
This is impart talks back on Wallace Allen. Thank you
so much for being with the James. I invite you
to come back next week. You got that, yes, sir,
preparing you for a big step. We will see you
guys next week under two circumstances. One if the Good
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can't stop us now, it's too late to get us
to stop us. We can slow down, though, sometimes we
do need to slow down. This is Empire Talks Back.
I'm bolling as Alan here on the case the truth
and justice with the right information to help improve the situation. Yeah,
we can slow down, we can speed up. I'll tell
you one thing doesn't change. There is nothing common about
(08:08):
common sense, folks. I tell you we are so influenceable
by people of influence, folks that got big time names,
big time reputations. I remember when I was a young
man and there was this great guitar player, mister Jimmy Hendrix.
Man me and my crew, Jimmy Hendricks. If Jimmy Hendricks
(08:32):
had wanted us to start a revolution, or jump off
a cliff or eat some crazy stuff, all he had
to do was say it, and we would have done it.
I'm telling you now, I mean that's the truth. We
were groupies in the sense that if Jimmy said it,
we'd do it. We love the music, we loved the guy.
(08:55):
We were blessed enough to meet him. He came to
the house. I was actually on stage with him at
a concert, the Forum Concert. Matter of fact, if you
got video of the Forum concert in nineteen Michaeldness is
not a long time ago nineteen something. But the guy
over there in the in the in the right colored
(09:17):
mister brown looking pants. You know who mister Brown is
on the Okay, real well, I had. I had the
original mister Brown pants on it at that concert. But
my point is this, if someone's famous says it, if
someone famous does it, it's okay. We will often look
at some problem situation, we'll say who did that as
(09:41):
if hey, you know, it depends on who did it
as to whether we're going to do something about it,
because if Jimmy did it, it's cool. But I tell you, well,
you spill that we got a problem with you. We
are We are people who are capable a very very fine, scientific, objective,
(10:04):
brilliant thinking, and at the same time we are capable
of ignoring everything sensible, logical that is in front of
us as we make our decisions. How and why do
we do these things? I don't know, but I do
know that if we strip out some of the names,
(10:25):
sometimes we can see the benefit of logical thinking, as
long as we don't fool ourselves by putting big names
in the deal. Now, today I have some I'll tell
you these are really superstar people. These are people that
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you probably would be spending lots of money and breaking
down doors to try to come down here and see
at the studio. But I'm not gonna give them. I'm
not gonna tell you they're they're real, real, real, real names,
because that means throw you off. So I'm not gonna
tell you that Beyonce's down here, not because she isn't
down here, not because she is here. I'm gonna say
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the same thing, the same thing about President Trump. He
could be here, but I'm not gonna tell you. I
want you to be able to just ignore the celebrity
of the people that I'm talking about. Okay, So I'm
gonna name. I'm gonna I'm gonna My mother's name is Ruth.
(11:32):
She's a wise lady. She'll be turning ninety eight years
old on the fourteenth of this month. Happy birthday to you. Okay.
And so we have Ruth on the far left. Okay, see,
there we go, there we go. And we also have
a Joe Anne right next to her another woman of
(11:58):
wisdom who who is speaking to us from heaven. Okay,
she's brilliant woman, able to continue her message despite having
left this planet, you know. And and we don't want
to miss that part. And we also have mister James Kine,
(12:24):
a man that I'll have to admit you will probably
be hearing more about even in the name of James Kane, Folks,
Ruth Joanne James, Welcome to Empire Talks Back Radio. How
are you guys this morning? Thank you excellent, excellent. You
know I like you guys right away because you laughed
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at my first joke. I said, this is indeed an
intelligent group of people, without a doubt, a very intelligent
group of people. All right, No, okay, so okay, we're
going to go into some quizzes here. I'm not gonna
name the place or the situation or the place situation,
but I want us to figure out if we think
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this is right. Okay, there is a place where people
have been living for years. Uh some cases they claim
to have been living there since Jesus was here.
Speaker 11 (13:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
There's another group of people who have wandered the planet,
got chased out of one place and in the middle
of a tremendous war where assigned another place to live
happened to be over in the area where these same
people had claimed to have been there for thousands of years.
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They have war, they have they have this big ignorant
fight as to you know, who God loves the most,
you know, kind of what kids say. You know, Mama
loves his, Daddy loved me, money love you. I got
the right to be more than you do, and you got.
They gave you more ice cream then, and now I
need to tighten this up now, and I need to
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have the car since you had all the ice cream.
I need the car. The group of people who've been
there for thousands of years, per their claim, were unable
to really feed themselves.
Speaker 12 (14:27):
Or do anything.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Such a tragedy, such a tragedy. But you know, they
were doing okay, but the other group was doing great.
So someone in this group of folks that had been
there thousands of years said, you know, those folks over there,
they're just treating us so bad, and I'm really ticked
off and stuff about it. And they went over there
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and they started, actually they did a very they created
an atrocity. They went over there and murdered some babies
and some g and blew up some buildings, and they're
a terrible thing. The bigger group, thet powerful that had
moved in, did what I don't know most folks could do.
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They they got angry and they retaliated, and you know,
they beat down the other group, beat them down, beat
them down, beat them down, and then stumped them down
and then started grinding them down. And everybody looked around
just you know, when they beat them down the first time,
everybody said, well, yeah, we can understand that. And they
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kept beating them down, and then other people said, well,
you know, it's getting kind of rough now, and they
started stomping them. Folks said, wow, maybe that's a little overkill.
I don't know. But when they started grinding them into
the dirt, making them disappear, baby starving things of that sort,
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the world kind of changed its mind looking at it.
My question to you is is there such thing as overkilled?
I know that the police, our laws in the country
here is say that you can defend yourself. Yes, you know,
if somebody jumps on you, you can defend yourself. But
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then if they run away and try to get away,
you can't chase them. Can't chase them down and beat
them down and kill them. You know, that's that's so
how do you how do you guys respond to that
kind of circumstance without getting involved in the names of
who they are and whose famous misroofs. What do you
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What do you think about that?
Speaker 13 (16:38):
I think there's definitely a such thing as overkill, because
there's there's like you can have like a vendetta, you
can have a grudge. I feel like a grudge is
overkilled and that no, a vendetta is overkilled, and the
grudge is like like you can get over that, Like
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if somebody stole my purse, I can beat that person up,
get my purse back. But then it's like if you
go overkill, it's like I'm going to kill him, his family,
all of that, all of it because they did me
wrong and anyone associated with him did me wrong. Like
that's overkilled.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You know.
Speaker 11 (17:25):
I don't know about that because I was you know,
I was in security for years, so I have got attacked,
you know, and I stand your ground. I stoleed my ground.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Anybody you like to kind of go back and chase down.
Speaker 11 (17:42):
A whole lot. So because you know, I had that,
you know where I can stand my ground type of thing,
or yeah, he got beat down right then and there,
and I'm not going to allow him to run away
because then when he runs away, I'm just like, Okay,
I cannot chase out for him because now I'm doo aggressive.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And plus he may run off and get something to come.
Speaker 11 (18:06):
Yes, exactly, Yeah that is true.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
So we've got the idea that we there's a risk.
Speaker 14 (18:14):
Okay, James, I believe there's a twofold answer. It's the
perception of the individual, and then there's also the perception
of how the law reads. The law may say overkill
is once you take control of a situation, but mentally,
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some people can go from zero to rage. So the
rage will take over their perception and then they do
not know how to release that that pressure. So it's
many aspects and to overkill or who's in control at that.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Time and how far it goes. Because we've got people
that are watching. Maybe some folks understood it from the beginning.
Some people just came in at the middle, and some
just came in at the end. And you know, they
only see they only see, Well, I guess if you
watch basketball, like I do. Some times you'll miss the
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first foul, but you'll see the reaction, and the official
calls a technical on the second person who was responding,
as opposed to the person who actually began the issue.
So how how can we reconcile a situation that is
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actually bigger than anyone who is involved can see? And
note that their actions involved way more people than just
the two of them or the three of them were
in formed them, and that there is a an ultimate
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echo that we would like to control, am my clear
on that? How do we deal how do we deal
with this inequity of information flow and and this zero
to one hundred mile an hour rage potential and this
desire to not only be even, but get it get ahead.
Speaker 13 (20:31):
Well, so it kind of reminded me of and this
was a cartoon based on an actual story. So there
was these rival on their like country families. It was
like the hat Fields and the McCoy's, right, they were
always he knows, it's an old It was literally on
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looney to So the hot Fields and the McCoy's have
been rivals their whole life, generation to generation to generation, right,
But it was kind of like Romeo and Juliet. The
son falls in love with the daughter. The sons of
hat filled the daughters of McCoy, but they cannot get married.
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But they're after a while. It's been centuries, right, what
happened in the beginning, somebody stole like a pig and
they were like, that's mine, and then they were like
shooting each other and all this stuff all the time.
So after a while, though, like the story gets changed,
people are forgetting exactly what really happened? Did he really
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still then the reason why they started fighting starts to
get blurred. Yes, but they're still fighting absolutely. So after
a while they were just like, like what happened is
they saw like they were fighting, they were trying to
keep them apart, and then they realized like, like why
do we need to keep fighting? Like the there were
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two people who were involved in the beginning. Those two
people they had it out and it was dealt with.
Why are we still fighting? Right because it was dealt
with in the beginning, But they just held onto the grudge.
But all these other people generations after, they had nothing
to do. They did nothing wrong. The son, the daughter,
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they were not. They haven't stole anything, So why then
I feel like at that point it needs to just
be done.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And you suggested that despite this rivalry and family war
against each other, there was an occasion where the girl
on one side and the guy on the other side
saw each other at the county fair or something, yeah,
and didn't realize as they were having such fun together
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who they were, and when they introduced themselves and heard
each other's last name, all of a sudden, another thing potential.
So so are you are you innocently saying or are
you doing it on purpose to say that though evil
and misunderstanding drew those two families apart, they're potentially love
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would bring them back together.
Speaker 13 (23:17):
I think that not just love, but the fact that
the matter was so long ago and the people who
are now involved had nothing to do with that matter
that happened fifty years ago. I think there's no reason
to have discord. There's no reason for it anymore because
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it's in the past. You need to let go and
start moving forward to the future where we can be
a community now.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That would assume that during this time of battling back
and forth, that we didn't create new reasons. Yeah, okay,
so we're still kind of stuck with though I don't
really remember what happened with Parr and your great great
uncle at the time. I do know what happened to
me and your cousin Bill a couple of weeks ago, okay,
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and you know he just narrowly missed me, but he
did shoot at me. So it's and so at some point,
you know, we may we we may want to sit
down and reconcile. And I think that's that's the first thing.
Do we want to reconcile? And as we sit and
watch the the atrocity and the horror of the echo
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of something that happened years and years ago, and how
do we pull that together? And but it is something
that we need to think about and realize and and
and in our life today. You know, we have we
have a country that is gone from a level of
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high respect from most of the they're pure countries to
one where they're being uh really accused at this point
of genocide. I'm not and I'm going to continue my
question to not mention names. But I think as we
logically look at that, we realize that there's there's been
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some overkill. There's been some justified responses and actions, but
there's been some overkilled, and if we want to get along,
if we want to make progress, if we no longer
want to see baby starving and adults losing hope, you know,
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we may want to, you know, take another step there
undertake a short break. You're going to come back and
we're going to discuss another circumstance that common sense says
we should be able to respond to a little bit different. Ruth,
Joeann James. I'm enjoying this, all right. This is in
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prout talks. Back on Wallace, Allen, stick around. We're gonna
if we're gonna solve I believe this problem of borders
and who should come across and then what happens when
they do. Right after this short rig we'll be right back.
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Speaker 12 (27:02):
One the dop.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Man. That's really uh an important song right now, Moving west,
motor west.
Speaker 11 (27:30):
My way.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
Take the highway.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
That's the best from Chicago to l A. Get ju kicks.
Get your kicks on Route sixty six.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
This that that leads right into what I wanted to
talk about. Now, you got people in Chicago who wanted
to move west, and you got people on the west
who wanted to move east. And we didn't have a
real good highway system. So the United States have America
built Roots sixty six from Chicago to la for thirty
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five hundred and forty five hundred miles. I don't know
how many miles. I wouldn't want to walk them, but
they built it. They built it so people could traverse
from one end to the other. We could merge, merge
our cultures. We could take the food the fruit eaters
and ride them through the area where they were the
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meat eaters, you know, from the vegetable growers in Chicago,
into the cattle country of Missouri and Oklahoma and Texas
got a place in Texas where they I think it's
a thirty two ounce steak. If you eat that bad boy,
you eat that bad boy, it's free. You know, if
you eat only thirty one ounces, you got to pay
for it. But the point I'm making is that, you
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know this, we celebrate movement, We celebrate going from one
place to another and sharing culture and et cetera. There
was a uh, the contract that allowed California to become
part of the United States, the sanad Algo uh Treaty.
(29:13):
I believe that's the name of it. But anyway, it
acknowledged that, you know, this was going to be calam
Mexico in MEXICALI. You know this, this this was a
beautiful purchase or acquisition, but it was going to be borderless.
You know, we were going to be speaking English and
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Spanish here and and all of that stuff. Uh we
uh for some reason somewhere, and I don't know, maybe
it stuck with us from the beginning of the history
of stealing people from Africa. Okay, we paid for him.
We paid for him. We didn't steal Okay, uh, bringing
people from Africa that didn't want to come. Well, what
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the people we paid for wanted them come? They want
them out. They didn't care what happened to them, and
they're just as guilty. Well, I don't know. People in
Africa had a tradition of slavery that allowed the slave
to actually become the king of the new tribe that
slaved them. Well, you guys had Obama. Yeah, but it
took them there four hundred years, and you all decided
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when he got ready to be president, the opposition said, well,
one thing we can guarantee is that we're not going
to do anything at all to support this guy for
the time he's there. I regress, I didn't mean to
go all the way over there. But my point is
that we have a history of racism that tends to
tear our treaties apart. Any treaties that our country has
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had with the original inhabitants of North America, the United States,
our Native Americans. Those treaties, you know, they didn't mean
anything except this was a placeholder until we decided that
we don't want you to be here anymore. We're gonna
take this particular Oh, this is oil on this land,
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gold on this land. Oh, this land actually grows food.
You can't. Yeah, well, and I don't want to say
anything about capitalism bad. But at the same time, it
depends on you know how we're going to be your capital.
Now you are, but you are your property. So Mexico,
(31:30):
the Mexican border is now fenced off. Some people think
that's great. Some people think it's absolutely great that we
have no people crossing the border illegally or any of
that stuff. But let's look at some border states Texas, Arizona, Mexico, California,
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our immigration laws, our laws forgetting allowing people to come
across the border and work. Because some people want to
come across the border and work and stay here. Some
want to come across the border work and take their
money back to where they come from to make their
family better there. I'm not going to say eating one
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of those is better or worse than the other. I
am going to say that there appears to be a
problem that we say based on illegal illegal illegal. That
means they don't go through a process that we have
determined as proper and legal to come into the country. Meanwhile,
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you know, our total publicity is come to America. Everything
says the world is better here. You know, our even
even our bad stuff, is better than your good stuff
anywhere else because you're going to be in America because
we've worked together. It's a democracy, and everybody's free to
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get as successful as they want to if they're willing
to butt their head up against the wall. And the
people that want to, you know, want to hold them back.
So we have this situation where people are from what
i'm hearing, paying someone up to ten fifteen thousand dollars
to help sneak them into America. Pay them fifteen thousand,
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ten thousand dollars to sneak them into America, and America says, well, know,
these people that come in are not they're not productive,
they're not legal, they're not adding to they're taking away
from They injure us potentially in terms of they're not
(33:53):
medically clean. They may run around and not have a
place to stay, they may not really be productive or
have a job, and therefore whatever, if they don't line
up prep or property and come in, we don't know
what they're going to be doing, so they shouldn't be here.
And that creates a big industry of coyotes. They call
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the coyote. The people that lead them in, the smugglers
and all of that. So we've got a group of
people who are willing to pay let's say, ten thousand
dollars to be snuck into America, sneaked into America, smuggled
into America, and we've got America spending I don't know,
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twenty thousand dollars to keep them out each or even
the same ten thousand. But at the same time, we said,
we need these people, we want them here, but we
want them here in a certain Can you think of
anything or any way that could reconcile those differences can
allow people to follow that dream of coming into America
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and not be regarded as some kind of scorge scourge
to America.
Speaker 14 (35:15):
Would you think to games, Well, that's a great topic, and.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I believe that.
Speaker 14 (35:27):
It has to be some kind of communication. Security is important.
You don't just want anybody coming over from anywhere with America.
We have to always be vigilant of what's out there,
who enjoys our freedoms, who doesn't want us to be free.
(35:53):
So I just think we need to come to some
kind of dialogue that can work for both sides, where
it be mutual respect, mutual finance and mutual responsibility responsibilities. Yes,
(36:20):
Oh so.
Speaker 11 (36:21):
I can't just go over there and just put up
a wall. So you're gonna be disrespected by that?
Speaker 14 (36:26):
Oh yes, especially if I have to pay for it.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
Of course you gotta pay for it. I got the people,
I got the people to build it. How much money
you're gonna give me to build this wall?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Just your answer? Uh? What do you? What do you say, Joanne?
Your comments on this open up? I got a plan.
I just want to hear.
Speaker 11 (36:54):
Okay, So that whole thing was it was a joke, but.
Speaker 12 (36:59):
It's truth.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
No, no, you said it's a joke. But there was
a person who said we're gonna build a wall and
they're gonna pay for it. Yeah, and we did build
a wall, but they haven't stepped up to pay for it.
And they didn't agree.
Speaker 11 (37:13):
To pay for it the first place, because that person
just went over there and said, I'm gonna do what
I'm going to do, and you know, dismiss you know,
you know the other person.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
But he was he was doing this outher thing of
creating a dollar of security. Wasn't too much dialogues. It's
security and you got military now that you know, keeps
them out. And that's where I get that large number
for keeping them out, because these are our soldiers, thousands
and thousands of soldiers at the border. Miss rous, Did
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you please have a comment?
Speaker 13 (37:47):
Oh no, I agree. I think if the person who
had the idea to build the wall wants to build
the wall, then they should pay for it. And you know,
there's should be they should just be a communication of
where it's going to be. But I'm paying for it,
you know, like if that's if it's like this wall
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is so necessary, then that person should pay for it.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Okay, Okay, here's my plan. Here's my suggestion. Yes, okay.
We have people who are willing to pay to come
to America, and we have questions about their stability when
they get here. Yes, and we are America, the land
(38:35):
of capitalism, yes, sir, the land of creativity, the land
where we love making a deal. I suggest that we
take those people who want to pay. Instead of paying
a coyote, they should be able to pay a state
agency something that would allow us at the security level
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to feel secure about them coming for a specific period
of time to be in a specific area to do
some specific things. So if they were able to give
us give the agency enough money that if they came
with ten thousand dollars, that should be able to be
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sure that they're healthy. They should get a health check
and some insurance. They should be able to use that
money to demonstrate that they've got a place to live.
They should have used that connection to say, well, I've
got a job or the potential for a job. They've
got enough money that we are able to give them
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a telephone that we can track and trace, or some
other means of tracking and tracing them. None of us
is able to walk around and not be trackable and traceable.
Insult to telling someone that you're here on a type
of visa that says we need to be able to
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check and trace you. Yeah, and if you've got ten
thousand dollars and you're eight thousand dollars is used to
do this. We're going to keep two thousand and deposit
that's gaining interest for you so that when you get
ready to leave, or if you have some type of emergency,
we've got this money on in an escrow account that
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shows who you are and where you are. Now. Most
of the people who come across the border have a
place to go. They're not just we see some homelessness,
but when we see homelessness, unfortunately, it does not. When
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I say unfortunately, I don't mean that they should be
the commones that are homeless. The people that we see
homeless are generally American citizens who couldn't figure it out. Yes, ya,
maybe because of some mental illness, maybe because of some
catastrophe in their life, but they generally are the ones
who couldn't figure it out. However, the immigrant population, if
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they're homeless, they tend to be able to hide it
because they get to go stay with somebody. Yes, in
some kind of circumstance that you and I most Americans
would say it's kind of squeezed up, but they generally
are able to say that, no, this is okay for
now to do what they need to do, whether it
be to make money to send home, or to make
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money temporarily, or to make money so they can move
up the ladder. I'm making that kind of suggestion because
that allows us at least to stay in the same
lane that America says it's driving, as opposed to all
of a sudden now we are kicking people out, kicking
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people out, stopping people from coming in and we're using
discriminatory reasons for that, because the same reasons that we
don't let Haitians and Nica Roguin's and Hondurian people in
are not the reasons we don't let Ukrainian people in
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or Scandinavian people in. There is a difference, and I
think there's a racial tone to it. But I think
that we would not solve our integration immigration problem, but
we could certainly make it create different problems that are
more issue like as opposed to life changing, life stifling
(42:49):
situations that we force people into now with our immigration PROBLEMSY,
what do you think about my suggestions? Well, now I'm
not going to be president.
Speaker 14 (43:00):
Run yes, because you know that's where I was going.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
One of it. But how do you respond to my idea?
Speaker 14 (43:11):
Wow, it's a great idea. First, let me applaud you
on coming up with that kind of organization and structure.
But I'm also I want to speak about those who
can afford to come pay and go through that kind
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of structure, because this is why they come to America.
They're looking for the American dream what is commonly affordable
to us. In the third world country, they're barely surviving
as we see it. To them, they're still happiness, joy
and a way of life. But to us in America
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are where life is. So I don't want to say superior,
but that word does fit at times, and sometimes we
feel superior. So superiority plays a big role in America's identity.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Economic superiority. Yes, now, don't forget now we're talking about
these people either paying a coyote or paying us. Now,
now there are people who probably don't have the ten thousand. Yeah,
but if they don't have the ten thousand, I doubt
if they're coming, you know, walking at two thousand miles
from Central America through the jungle on their own without
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a coyote, because it appears that these people have to
have a guide in general to get there, and these
guides are not you know, high humane benefactors generally get paid,
so you know, so.
Speaker 14 (44:56):
The finances coming from somewhere.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I mean, so my plan only deals with those
folks who are, as we see it, paying someone else
to help sneak them into America and that group of
people that are poor. You're right now that needs to
be dealt with. But we can't ignore the fact that
our news stories and evidence shows that people are paying
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ten fifteen thousand dollars in some cases to actually get here. Yes,
but yes, I agree with you that we don't want
to price people out. But people seem to be willing
as doctors or high level people in their.
Speaker 14 (45:46):
Own country, as humans will find a way to survive.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
But we have people who come here as professionals from
where they come, yes, and where they work when they
get here is not at that level. Not a doctor
when they get here. They've got to go through some changes.
They're not a lawyer when they get here. They're not
an accountant when they get here. They have to do
what they can do, which is the human spirit that
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makes America have the potential greatness that it is the
idea that you know, we'll stand on a small block
with the idea that given some time, in good circumstances,
we'll be able to expand this this foot space that
we're occupying. Yeah, so missus Joanne, how do you feel
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about this idea?
Speaker 12 (46:37):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I agree?
Speaker 11 (46:40):
I agree? See me if you think about the money,
that's why the coyotes there, because like he said, okay,
what about the poor people? What happened is she had
or he had five thousand dollars and the coyotes like, oh,
you know, give me that five thousand dollars, I can
get you where you need.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
To go, get your cross water and see you later. Yep.
Speaker 11 (47:02):
And then he continued doing it and profering offer the
people that don't have that ten thousand dollars to actually
go through the proper structure to get over here.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
And in terms of welcoming people, yes, I don't know
when you guys came to went to school, probably years
after I did. But this still bragging about America in
school than in our kids earlier the world.
Speaker 11 (47:35):
That's a that's a good question because I grew up
in the nineties two thousand.
Speaker 14 (47:43):
No, they wasn't.
Speaker 11 (47:45):
It for me. Growing up in school, it was harder
to even know my history and the American history because
they was not focused on that as much. And when
I was going to school, I don't know about you.
Speaker 13 (48:01):
I mean, I grew up in the I'm an eighties baby,
So from there to now, I feel like American history
was was definitely promoted. Like the lie about Thanksgiving and
Columbus name was very current at that time. They said
that they had a peaceful dinner and the Pilgrims came
(48:25):
and everything was all good. And then fast forward to
when I get to high school, They're like, oh, yeah, no,
actually Columbus is a criminal and there was genocide. I'm like,
I was making turkey, So it was it was definitely
like what happened the.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Rewriting and history or reinterpretation, yeah, something. I think I
was in high school before I discovered that Christmas Addicts
was black and the under stand that one of the
war crists for the Americans during the American Revolution was
(49:06):
remember Christmas, Addicts, Remember Christmas. So, you know, the idea
of rewriting history, which is another issue it has come up.
We find that we now are in an era where
those people who want to rewrite history, turning the Civil
(49:29):
War into a situation where the folks that fought against America,
who rebelled against America, are wanting to be regarded as heroes. Yes,
and name our name, our military, our military installations after
(49:56):
the generals. We have a big, a big wall of
fame in Georgia. The the big park there where you
have this structure was done before our Mount Rushmore structures
that that memorialized Robert E. Lee and the other you know,
(50:20):
the generals from the Civil War, the Confederacy. The president
now is reaffecting that. And there are certainly people who
have not ever let it go that you know, this
is our history, well it is your history, but you're
(50:43):
not claiming it as a treasonous history. You're claiming it
as you know, some type of noble effort, you know,
as if there's some nobility and keeping Africans enslaved, as
if there's some nobility and not well. And there appears
to be an attitude that says that because some folks
(51:05):
are able to look at the difference in slavery and
the difference in how you treat poor people and realize
that you know, slavery and guaranteed a little shack to
lay in, you know, and some and some some leftovers
that you can figure out how to cook. But poor
(51:26):
doesn't require that, doesn't doesn't guarantee that you have access
to that, But you have access to freedom, yes, freely poor.
So our ideals, our ideals as Americans says that we
are free to think and figure these things out. And certainly,
(51:50):
as we talk about these issues that we talked about today,
they don't affect everybody, and we are able to, you know,
live our lives and watch TV, go to work, and
you know, ignore, forget, or never even hear about the
things that we've talked about this morning. One of the
things that we can ignore and never hear or talk
(52:12):
about is microplastics, something that's very, very very prominent in
our lives, and not most of us dealing with it all.
But it seems like, I don't know, Eric, if you
can find that song plastic People, classic people. But yeah,
years ago there was a big hit, a song called
(52:33):
plastic People and it was about how you know, people
just you know, not really sensitive and all that. Classic,
but that song has come into a reality and then
we are all eating plastic. We're all breathing plastic. And
when I heard that we're breathing plastic, goodness, How small
(52:55):
can plastic be? But it's in the ground from so
much that we do that. Do they say that it
can grow, that it can be absorbed by the plants
that are growing in the ground through the roots, I'm saying,
so they say, well, that's why we call them microplastics.
They're so small that you can't Yeah, So as we eat, drink, breathe,
(53:23):
we're absorbing plastic, and it's throughout our bodies. It's throughout
our organs, the brain, the heart, the blood vessels, and
we are becoming plastic.
Speaker 14 (53:34):
We becoming the fabulous. For yeah, and that that may
be the case.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
It's it's so prominent though that you know, I'm asking
the question, Well, maybe maybe plastic at some kind of
natural occurrence. And when we and when we put it together,
that that we are inventing plastic. Maybe the same process
(54:04):
that they used to invent plastic. Maybe their process takes
place in our body anyway, I don't know, but they
are discovering that plastic is in our bodies. Well you
wouldn't bring that up. And there's this guy from the
CIA and he's creeping around Laurel.
Speaker 4 (54:24):
Canyon spying them.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
She waits for me.
Speaker 7 (54:33):
She is a plastic she cast me.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
She changes her face.
Speaker 11 (54:39):
With plastic, dude, and wraps her hair with some shampoo plastic.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
So Eric, who's that boy? Frank Zappa Zappa a great thinker,
one of the original wild thinkers, taking advantage of the
music to give social message that was too deep for
people to really pay attention to. And so here we
(55:16):
are classic people. We are we are absorbing this plastic.
We have enough plastic that gathers in the ocean that's
as big as I think they say, as big as
New Hampshire sitting out in the middle of the ocean.
Is just has collected. It's our fish are eating it,
(55:36):
and we eat the fish. And so you know, and
I don't know, you guys have probably been hearing don't
microwave classic, Yes, don't eat certain stuff in Classic. And
I don't know how true we feel about it, but
(55:57):
it seems to be a truth. As we hear things
that we can evidence. How willing are we to change
our lifestyle when we hear and see the effects of evidence.
They talk about the processed food. Processed food is the
(56:18):
food that you know, it lasts longer, you know, it
sticks around and refrigerated. It seems down that it sticks
around on you, on us too. It doesn't process. You know,
it's been processed, so it doesn't process. Once we get
the idiot, we just it just hangs around. But it
was processed before we ate it. It doesn't process anymore
(56:45):
into yeah, twinkies, but you know the twinkie doesn't I mean,
it doesn't change. The twinkie is just as good as
it as it was years ago, And how good was
it twenty years ago?
Speaker 8 (57:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
It doesn't go away. I'll tell you that. Yeah. Yeah,
things that don't disintegrate, things that add the little bugs
can't eat or won't eat, but they'll eat the plastic.
So once again, whuldn't we get our messages that things
(57:24):
are not right from inside, from our brain, from even
our side? Is what is it about human nature that
makes us ignore what's right? There ain't nothing common about
common sense. But I think most of us James is
challenged visually. But I would probably ask if I had
(57:52):
a contest or desire to note what something smelled like
or tasted like, I'd expect his since there was a
little bit better. But if I'm getting ready to ride
to l A in the car, I'll get you there.
Speaker 14 (58:10):
In my teslor, I'll get you there.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
My point there is he's willing to trust tesla. I
mean you said, and I see tests having the problem
driving around in areas where they've got the materials, you know,
the computers set up to allow them to read and
hear each other.
Speaker 14 (58:35):
And problem it's not that I trust. That's what everyone
tells me. Oh, it's accommodation in a tesla, and common
sense tells me to ride. The omni shows you.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
To ride something of yes. But I think that when
we sacrifice once since, we probably open up the ability
to magnify another level of sense. And folks, if we
are not going to pay attention with our common sense,
(59:12):
that means we need to slow down and read more,
study more so that our logical sense is able to
step up and protect us a little bit. And I
think you guys have demonstrated you know that logic is
a little bit harder to reach out for, but it's
a lot more it's a lot more dependable. I depend
(59:36):
on you guys continuing your wonderful attitude and make you
Wereld a better place. I want to thank you for joining.
This is impart talks back on Wallace Allen. Thank you
so much for being with the James. I invite you
to come back next week. You got that, yes, sir,
preparing you for a big step. We will see you
guys next week under two circumstances. One if the Good
Lord's willing, two if the Creek don't buy it's God
(59:58):
bless you and get well. Anthony Moodmaster we're missing you
up and your cousin. I miss you, Anthony.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Take it easy, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
He move up, Bob,
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