KCAA: The Empire Talks Back with Wallace Allen (Sun, 10 Aug, 2025)

KCAA: The Empire Talks Back with Wallace Allen on Sun, 10 Aug, 2025

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Speaker 12 (06:40):
Were run the movie.

Speaker 10 (06:52):
A special statement to my mister Williams Man birthday to you.
I can't even remember when I was your age four man.
That's a young well anyway, God bless you. Thank you
for being in my family. Thank you for putting together
the love motion that made me two of the greatest

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granddaughters in the world. I love your son. Happy birthday
to you. This is Empire Talks Back. I'm Wallace Allen.
You guys have much to be concerned about. One of
the things you may be concerned about is why did
Trump's lawyer, the Deputy Attorney General, visit child sex abuser

(07:34):
Gislaine Maxwell while she's in prison. Well, my opinion is
that he did it to make a deal, and the
deal was indeed made. Now United States Deputy Attorney General
Todd Blanche went to the maximum security prison that houses
Gilaine Maxwell. I probably misspnounce her first name, but that's

(07:57):
not a problem. She misdid so many children, did abuse
so many children. So if I accidentally abuse her name,
you can forgive me and I'll plead guilty for doing it.
She went from this convicted traffic sex abuser associate of
the convicted sex child abuser Jeffrey Epstein to make a deal.

(08:24):
They went to the prison to make a deal with
the child sex abuser. Now all of the elements of
the deal I don't know I'm not sure. However, one
element of the deal is quite obvious because within days
of the reported nine hour, two day interview session, Maxwell

(08:45):
was ushered away from the maximum security prison, which is
the type of facility sex offenders are assigned to. She
was escorted out of that to what is regarded as
a much softer institution, a college campus type institution, more

(09:06):
like a country club, minimum security facility that, according to
prison officials, has never before been used to house a
sex offender and would take special, special instructions in order
for her to get to that situation. So obviously a
benefit was created, a deal created for Maxwell as a

(09:29):
result of that meeting. So we know for sure that
one of the benefits she secured from that deal was
to get housing much like that of a college student somewhere,
as opposed to that of a person who should be
assigned to a jail for sex abuse to children. Now,

(09:53):
what could be the benefit for Blanche and his boss,
President Trump? I focus on Trump because Blanche focused on
Trump when he started when he stated his results of
the meeting. His report of this meeting with this child
sex abuser focused on the fact that, well, she didn't
really have anything bad to say about Trump. She wasn't

(10:16):
concerned about what Trump did or any of his activities.
I'll tell you what, if a child sex abuser was
not concerned about my conduct, I'd be concerned. If I
was hanging out at a party with sex abusers child
sex abusers and everybody said, well, he acted normal. Let

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the sex abuser party, there's no need for a concern there.
I'd be very concerned. I'm very concerned about our state,
our nation, and the people who are leading it. But
more importantly, I'm concerned about the folks who are following him.
I hope you are too. This is Empara talks back

(10:59):
on Wall. I say, and my guest today include some
folks who are making changes, who are trying to do
the thing that will make your world a better place,
my world a better place. One of those people is
mister James every and he will be joining us, and
we will be joined, of course by our super radio
star to be mister James Kin, who will begin his

(11:22):
program on Saturday this coming Saturday, August sixteenth, at four pm,
The James Cain Experiment experience. I guess it is an experiment,
but it's also an experience and you'll look forward to that.
This is impart talks back. We're going to take a
short break and we will come back with our guest.

(11:43):
You guys, do what you gotta do, and I'll be
doing what we need to do, and we'll see you
in just a moment.

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but we need to be putting products together here in
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We need to be understanding that if we want to
make it. We need to make it all right. This
is Empire Talks back on Wallas All and mister James, Ever,
how you doing.

Speaker 13 (14:41):
Sir, I'm doing.

Speaker 10 (14:42):
God is great. I'm extremely grateful and I understand you're
not just doing well, that you're trying to do some good.

Speaker 13 (14:48):
Absolutely.

Speaker 10 (14:49):
Tell us a little bit about your program.

Speaker 14 (14:51):
Well, I work for an organization called COPE Congregations Organized
for Prophetic Engagement, and we are policies and practices. So
in a few days Wednesday five PM, will be hosting
the screening of the documentary thirteen.

Speaker 10 (15:12):
That is a religious spiritual group. I know you're one
of your leaders, mister Sam Casey. Man, it's been around
town here long enough to have garnered a lot of
respect from a lot of people. Yes, sir, so we
look forward to this event. Now, tell us a little
bit more about the movie, what it's all about, and

(15:35):
why you're involved.

Speaker 14 (15:37):
Well, I've spent a number of years incarcerated, and so
that journey led me to COPE, and so I am
in a position what is called the Transformative Justice a
position I am a coordinator there under the leadership of
Pastor Casey, who will be celebrating the twenty fifth year,

(16:01):
so he's been.

Speaker 10 (16:02):
Doing a lot of the anniversary here.

Speaker 14 (16:04):
Absolutely, this is the anniversary, and so a group of
pastors actually established this. And not that we are promoting
anything religious, but what we are lifting is the black
community and the underserved communities. And so the idea about

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thirteen is to bring a greater awareness to our communities.
Would also desire to have a conversation to possibly.

Speaker 13 (16:36):
Agitate, agitate some things, folks.

Speaker 10 (16:39):
A lot of folks don't understand the importance of agitation. Absolutely,
if you don't agitate the water around the closed in
the washing machine, that clothes wouldn't get cleaned.

Speaker 13 (16:50):
That's right.

Speaker 10 (16:50):
And if we don't agitate for the truth, agitate the
social circumstances, we may end up all muddied and stagnant
without any place to go because we've just let everything go.
So it's important to be able to question what's going on,
point out what you don't like, and applaud what you
do like. Absolutely, what are some of the things that

(17:12):
you do like. As a result of your release from
incarcon incarceration.

Speaker 14 (17:21):
Well, the first thing is I survived, but more importantly,
again it brought me, brought me to the place I'm
at today, and so my experience helps me to communicate
the necessity of change today in our communities. And so
thirteenth is just one of the ways I hope to

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bring the community together so that we can begin to
have conversations around what it's going to take to change
some of the policies and practices that we suffer from today.

Speaker 10 (17:56):
So what type of policies are you concerned about. Let's
jump in this water. Maybe cold and maybe deep, but
we can swim. Let's do it.

Speaker 14 (18:06):
So let's take the thirteenth Amendment for instance. No one
really talks about the exception clause. And when you look
at the exception clause, well.

Speaker 10 (18:16):
Let's describe the thirteenth Amendment. I'm not going to pretend
to be a constitutional authority, but if you mentioned to
me what's going on, I'll hope that common sense will
bring me toward the truth here, Yes, sir, So what
is the thirteenth Amendment?

Speaker 14 (18:30):
The thirteenth Amendment states that slavery no longer exist?

Speaker 10 (18:36):
Does that really what it said?

Speaker 13 (18:39):
Well, there's an exception clause, sir, right.

Speaker 10 (18:41):
Right, right, So I mean when they put these words together,
they always, first of all, none of us are perfect
with our word ology, and we all end up leaving
little gaps in our intended statements. Yes, so the thirteenth
Amendment that ended slavery ended slavery in the North, or

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did it know? The Emancipation Proclamation ended slavery in the
states that were fighting against the United States of America.
Those traders, those people who wanted to usurp the power,
those people who have somehow created enough of an echo
that they've confused people who walk the earth today into

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thinking that these folks were heroes because they fought to
keep black folk enslaved. I've heard the Secretary of Defense
say that they were fighting against tyranny. Now imagine the
Secretary of Defense but the United States of America and
wrapping his arms around the greatest traders that the United

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States has ever seen on the planet, causing more deaths
than Hitler costs during World War two, and openly and
now they are rebuilding statues that have been marked as traitorous,

(20:12):
as misleading. They now want to raise these statues and
these memorials back into favor, as if there was something
royal and idealistic and great about the Confederacy. I didn't
mean to go off. But I just feel like I'm
on when I get a chance to remind people that
the Confederacy represents the traders against the United States and

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what the United States says that it stood for, and
it's all for us to make it stand up straight. Absolutely,
I didn't mean to get into all of that. This
is your interview, so let me ask you again, this
was an exception the exceptions of the thirteenth Amendment. Yes, okay,

(20:59):
so let me start all over again. Tell us about
the thirteenth Amendment and this exception and why you think
this policy needs to be dealt with.

Speaker 14 (21:08):
Absolutely, so, again, the thirteenth Amendment states that slavery has
been abolished, but the exception clause is for those who
have been found guilty and deemed criminals. And so what
they've done is is they.

Speaker 10 (21:27):
Haven't those black folk or folks in general. Did they
open the door to create white slavery or did they
open the door to maintain black slavery?

Speaker 13 (21:39):
Absolutely?

Speaker 14 (21:40):
Absolutely, yes, they have created another form of slavery.

Speaker 10 (21:46):
Okay, And does it just work for black folks or
is it for everybody?

Speaker 13 (21:50):
It works against black folk.

Speaker 10 (21:53):
It works against that black folk, but is it for
everybody statistically.

Speaker 13 (21:58):
No, Now, the conversation, sure.

Speaker 10 (22:01):
Well, we are cutting this potato.

Speaker 14 (22:03):
Fine, But if we look at the statistics and if
we look at the historical relevance of it all, we
as a people have suffered greatly as a result.

Speaker 13 (22:13):
Of this exception clause.

Speaker 14 (22:15):
And so actually slavery hasn't ended, it's just evolved.

Speaker 10 (22:19):
Well, what we're talking about here, it seems thank and
mister Caine, you can jump into this if you would
like to at some point, But it seems as though
we have been extending the right for the government to
put people in jail, not pay them for the work
that they do, and put them into conditions that are

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less than the civil level of life that and the
quality of life that we expect to have people exposed
to outside of jail, and that would seem to make
it possible for white people and Asian people, and bound
people and anybody that they put in jail to be

(23:01):
subject to those things. But once again you're pointing out
that it seems that despite the fact that black people
may represent maybe ten twelve percent of the total population
outside of the prisons, that inside of the prisons, I understand,
we represent something like thirty five fifty percent.

Speaker 13 (23:22):
In some cases upper fifty percent.

Speaker 10 (23:24):
So this is why we say this exception has been
misused and abused to continue to misuse and abuse black people.

Speaker 13 (23:33):
And let me just add this.

Speaker 14 (23:35):
When slavery was so called abolished, the Southern mentality just
realized they lost four million laborers, so they needed to
create a way to get that labor back.

Speaker 10 (23:48):
Well, they knew that. That's why they were fighting. Absolutely,
they were fighting to maintain control of free labor, even
though it may not have been used to pick cotton
because of the cotton gin and because it was not
as it much to their advantage to have the responsibility

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of feeding and clothing and housing slaved enslaved people. Yes,
so they man, I'll tell you what slavery. Oh yes,
James Rigs, I may interject please, that is mister James Hatton,
who addresses himself as James Kane, coming this Saturday at

(24:32):
four o'clock.

Speaker 15 (24:33):
Saturday, at four o'clock the James Kane Experience. I would
like to act a quick question please, So was the
thirteen Amendment? Was it abolished for the descendants of the
slaves or was it created for everyone?

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Because the conversation is.

Speaker 15 (24:55):
Leading to that this thirteenth Amendment was born after slavery
is they called post reconstruction. So this would go along
with the thirteenth, the fourteenth and the fifteenth Amendment. Yes,
and so what do you and our host James think

(25:21):
about what I just brought to the.

Speaker 10 (25:24):
The fourteenth and fifteenth amendments. But the fourteenth Amendment was which.

Speaker 14 (25:31):
I just have to make the main thing. The main
thing I'm working on the thirteenth Amendment. I don't have
the full knowledge of the fourteenth Amendment.

Speaker 10 (25:39):
But the thirteenth Amendment and the exception clause and your
experience and incarceration makes that a very sensitive thing. Absolutely,
and the idea that we have an over abundance of
black people being represented in the prison system is one
of the things that you are looking to discuss and

(26:02):
work against principle wise and policy wise. Absolutely, with your
meeting on the thirteenth. I'm sorry on this coming Thursday.

Speaker 14 (26:10):
Yes, when today the thirteenth, And it's actually the location
is not too far from here, four six eighth West
Fifth Street. It'll be held at Emany at the Center.
But yes, to just bring light to a conversation and
again to agitate or to hope to stir and inspire

(26:36):
people to view things differently and to possibly act differently.
But this thing isn't going away. And the climate that
we're in today, people are now beginning to speak openly
about their disdain for people in our communities. And so
I only have the James experience, like mister James Kane

(26:57):
has the James Kane experience, and so I need other eyes,
I need other perspectives, you know. I need for people
to sit down with me so that we can discuss
how to knock down systemic racism. But I can't do
that alone. And so the hope is to bring the
community together and have this real conversation that's not going away.

Speaker 10 (27:22):
Yeah, racism is not going away. We thought that with
the civil rights passing of the Civil Rights Act in
nineteen sixty four sixty five was something that we could
depend on forever. But understand, I guess the reason for
having to pass a civil rights Act would suggest that

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there are going to be people who resist that. And
we have found that resistance during this time seems to
have raised its head and may not be too shy
about voicing their opinions about the rights of people, the
rights of people to vote, the need for people to vote,

(28:08):
the rights for people to and it's I guess it's
not a right. You know, life is not. It's it
seems to be competition. But then motivation, I'm sorry, say
it against your motivation to vote? Yeah, your motivation to vote,
your motivation to live, your motivation to understand how other

(28:28):
people contribute to your life and lifestyle. Many times people
and we hear them say it, I pulled myself up
by the bootstrap, and you should pull yourself up by
the bootstrap, which would indicate that everybody had boots. I
don't think so.

Speaker 15 (28:46):
Back when the thirteenth Amendment was created, yeah.

Speaker 10 (28:50):
We didn't necessarily have woop woop, yeah, but we have
demonstrated that we could cross the country barefooted said yes, sir,
say live, vote and still make things happen. But America,
America has not applauded itself and stood out to the
rest of the world because of it being like everybody

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else on the planet. America has always been held out
to be different. Our friends in France thought we were
so different they built a big statue, the Statue of Liberty,
and presented it to the United States. Of course, the
United States didn't take the first replica, didn't take the

(29:34):
first drawing, didn't take the first statue, something about it
representing the escape from slavery. The first statue was that
of a black woman who was celebrating the dismissal of slavery,
and that seemed to be a little too strong for
the country to accept, and they sent that one back

(29:56):
and they got a new model that has us now
saluting the world with our colonize the balances of the
scales and the blind the blindfold and her lantern of
light that's there to attract the world.

Speaker 13 (30:12):
Her supposed blind justice.

Speaker 10 (30:14):
Well, I mean that's the statues justice is blind. You know.
Ours is to try to emulate and copy that. But
we are people and as such we all have our
different standards. How do you feel that your experience as
an incarcerated person makes a difference in the intensity you

(30:39):
feel about the importance of fighting the policy of the exception?

Speaker 14 (30:45):
Cause I believe I stand in this space as a
credible witness. I can speak to the experience because I
lived in and so to try to get those that
are coming behind me to understand, you know, because my
primary objective is to work myself out of job, but

(31:06):
I want to inform those who are coming behind me.
One of my greatest motivations that I heard mister James
says my grandchildren. My children are grown, but I have
thirty three grandchildren. Congratulations, And I have two great grandchildren. Congratulate,
thank you, and I am a defender of them.

Speaker 13 (31:26):
Twenty three of the.

Speaker 14 (31:26):
Thirty three are girls, okay, and so it's my hope
to create better tomorrow for them.

Speaker 13 (31:35):
But I have to do that today.

Speaker 10 (31:38):
Well. One of the things that we're confronted with is
a prison system that it purports to take care of
the guilty. We have a policy presented by our president
that says we are going to deport all of the tough, wild,
crazy actor, the folks who are anti social, the killers,

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the thieves, the wrong doers, and deport those people from
the United States. But somehow we find that we are
deporting people who are school teachers and workers, fusual mility
and citizens in some cases, and you work to get

(32:27):
them back. But we are wrong in many cases, but
we are so right in many other cases. As we
look to correct America, one of the things that I
say is I would rather be here in America than
any other place on the planet. Yes, because at least
we get a chance to argue and fight about it.

(32:48):
In other places, they take quite an insult that you
even talking bad about it, which is one of the
things that worries me about our new president. He seems
to think that you don't have the right to discuss
him in a negative way. Why. I don't know, because

(33:08):
he operates in a negative way, and certainly I mean
to some people. Yes, Now, there's a small group of
people that love everything that he says and does. And
I understand that because last week I think I expressed
my love and admiration for Jimmy Hendrick. So we would
have done anything for Jimmy. So I understand there's people

(33:29):
who do anything to stand in mister Trump's shadow or
light or whatever you may want to call it. But
that doesn't make it right for them anymore. That would
have made it right for me to stand in Jimmy's
shadow when he was doing whatever he was doing, it
wasn't right. And I'm sure there were some things that
he did that wasn't right.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
I don't know what they were.

Speaker 10 (33:51):
I still like his music. Yes, then there's people who
like p did his music. There's people who like, well,
there's people who probably like the memory of some of
the parties that they attended at Jeffrey Epstein's house. Maybe
they were out on the porch where nothing was going on.

(34:12):
But when we see something going on and we know
we're hanging out with the situation that is wrong, we
tend to we should speak about it, especially if we're
going to be leaders. You have been exposed to the
prison system. Yes, there was things that you saw and
didn't like. Yes, you may have been innocent when you

(34:34):
went in. I don't know, And I'm not even going
to ask you that question. Because there's people who say
there's not enough folks going to jail. Richard Pryor, one
of our great philosophical commentators who took the form of
a comedian, he went to jail, and when he came

(34:56):
out of jail, he said, you know the reason a
lot when people are in jail, they need to be
in jail. They've we've been confronted with folks that need
to be in jail. So we're not saying get rid
of the jails, I guess, but I think we also
are saying that there's a way to support our people,

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our population, and to try to develop the best alternatives
for people so that we can expect the best out
of people. There is a film I believe that you
guys will be showing at your event on Wednesday. What
is the name of that film?

Speaker 13 (35:35):
The documentary of the thirteenth Amendment?

Speaker 10 (35:39):
The documentary, Yes, of the thirteenth.

Speaker 13 (35:42):
The thirteenth Amend.

Speaker 10 (35:43):
Okay, five o'clock, five o'clock. And how much money are
you guys charging a good?

Speaker 13 (35:49):
This is a free event.

Speaker 10 (35:51):
Are you paying people to come? Are you feeding people?

Speaker 13 (35:55):
We are feeding?

Speaker 10 (35:55):
We can on the comment we are.

Speaker 13 (35:57):
We are definitely feed.

Speaker 14 (35:59):
And I just want to I want to lift a
point of this is going to help us understand that
they are not only incarcerating black men, but women as well,
Black women as well, at a high rate.

Speaker 13 (36:11):
And it's not starting in adulthood.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
You know.

Speaker 14 (36:15):
We are fighting against what's called the school to prison pipeline,
and so they are preparing in some regard, our children
in school for a life of incarceration.

Speaker 10 (36:26):
Let's take a short break, Eric, and when we come back,
I'd want to explore more about how our children or
how we would explain this pipeline to prison statement that
you've made, and it's something that many of us see
taking place or feel that we see take place in

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par Talks back on Wallace Allen and we are talking
with our friend mister James Ever and our friend mister

(39:07):
James Caan. And James Ever, you brought up the idea
of the concept of a prison school to prison pipeline.
What does that mean.

Speaker 14 (39:21):
Well, we we are experiencing now where everything that a
child does that is negative as being documented to truancy,
where just by the way the parents suffer that there
are things like fights and maybe found paraphernalia. The system

(39:49):
has been has been geared to not really teach, or
not really not really teach our ch children are black children,
but to cater more to.

Speaker 13 (40:06):
Other children.

Speaker 10 (40:06):
I can understand why someone would say that as we
look at the statistics in terms of who is learning
in school and who is not learning in school, many
people could point that out and say that cultural competence
is lacking in our teachers, which means we possibly don't
have enough teachers who can relate to the different cultures

(40:28):
of our children. Absolutely, but we're also dealing with the
response of the school district and the school's period as
they become more technically astute, as they become more concerned
about and able to make reports and keep records of
what's going on. When I was growing up, if you
had a fight at school, you had to fight at school,
and then the idea was to try to make people

(40:50):
forget about it as soon as possible. Absolutely, But now
if you get in a fight at school, as we've
been able to demonstrate talking to our chief for police
for the San Bernardino Unified School District, Police, Mister Joe Paulino,
he does a special thing with his police to make

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them sensitive and more willing to work with the students
as opposed to simply making a report, analyzing quickly what
they're writing something down, and not taking into account the
fact that what they write down becomes that jacket that
the child has to wear from that point on. So

(41:35):
we find that statistically they our young people in school
are not learning as much, our black students are not
learning as much as young boys especially, and that when
they get in trouble they get referrals. These referrals go
back to the principle. Those referrals are counted and kept

(41:57):
up with, and pretty soon person who may have too
many referrals starts getting referred out of school into special classes.
I don't know. I enjoyed school, yes, and I think
it's important for young people to enjoy school. My grandkids
come home from school and first thing I say, how school?

(42:18):
And they had a good time. They enjoy it. They
are learning, and their parents, God bless them, are there
after school before school teaching them, and they're consciously teaching them,
and they consciously act out things in front of them
that are there to motivate and move the children. My

(42:39):
daughter and son in law have good jobs, they're able
to work from home, they're able to kind of set
their schedules, and they've got the support of grandparents in
the house. Everybody doesn't have that. So we have situations
where people who have children are trying to juggle a

(42:59):
job and trying to joke of getting the kid out
to school, and they're trying to get to work on time,
and anything that slows anything, any part of that down
becomes a problem. So maybe there's a little bit of
pushing around and hollering and moving in the morning that
other kids that have more support aren't exposed to. The

(43:24):
culture has a lot to do to Yeah, James, So.

Speaker 15 (43:29):
I'm hearing this clearly that they are taking notes these
referrals for these kids for fighting and who knows what else.
Who keeps this history and what is.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
The history for?

Speaker 15 (43:49):
What are they going to do with this information, say,
when the kids get to high school, when the kids
get to college.

Speaker 10 (43:57):
So why are these schools.

Speaker 15 (44:01):
And who gave them permission to keep a historical incident
basically an incident report for your kids?

Speaker 10 (44:11):
Well, I suppose that record starts to really be kept
when those referrals exposed into the prison pipeline. That being
juvenile hall. That's being when you're kicked out of class
and you go to special class or you go to
juvenile hall. And you then realize that as these things

(44:35):
aren't just happening to the record keeper, they're happening to
the child. So what happens when it's the same as
if you're shooting free throws if you miss all the time,
pretty soon you say, I don't like basketball. I'm not
going to do this. If you're constantly in trouble as
a child at school, I don't want to go to school.
And if you're not going to school, that means you're

(44:57):
going to get in trouble. It's that simple. You're gonna
get in trouble. If you stay at home all day,
you're gonna get in trouble because you're gonna get in
trouble with mom and dad because you're not learning, you're
not doing it. You're gonna interrupt their day. So pretty
soon you just decide that, well, the world doesn't like me,
and I'm not gonna.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Like the world.

Speaker 10 (45:15):
And now you got them. Now the prison to pipeline
thing has them because the child is decided that this
world is not comfortable for me, and I'm not gonna
make it comfortable for them. And that's human nature. And
so when we get them on that team, when our
children get on the team that says, I don't like
how you're treating me, and I'm not gonna kiss your

(45:36):
footie wop to make you try to do You're gonna
We're just gonna have to argue and fight. Well, the
child is too young, you realize that that fight that
they're taking on is going to be a lifetime fight
unless somebody intercedes and takes them by the hand, by
the heart and moves them over onto the other lane.
The child doesn't know that, but adults know that, and

(46:01):
adults that know that have a responsibility because if we
are going to raise our children correctly, we cannot put
them in the hands of people who don't give a
fat rats elbow about them. We have to understand that,
as we would say, there's an incentives, there's motivations, and
if the motivations that we want to have affect our

(46:25):
children are not there provided by someone else, that we
need to provide them. So as we look at what's
going on with our kids in school, Yes, James and
I can say James and get both you guys at
the same time. I guess, yeah, we name. There's a
great name. So we've known for some time that the

(46:49):
schools are not affectionate ultimately to our children. You know,
they're they and in some cases they are actually hostile.
So what we do about that. We can say we're
going to go fix the school, or we can level
another thing out by preparing our children. The same way.
If our children are going to walk to school in

(47:11):
a dangerous area, we tell them there's things to watch
out for us.

Speaker 13 (47:14):
That's true.

Speaker 10 (47:15):
We pridefully tell ourselves that I had to talk to
my son and let him know about the police. You know,
we shouldn't have to do that, but we do it.
We understand that when our young black boys are exposed
to the police, and we're raising them to be aggressive,
and we're raising them to be asserted, that when they

(47:36):
get around the police all of a sudden, the demand
is that they become humble. The demand is that they
become subservient. The demand is that they take direction and orders,
even if their orders and directions sound stupid.

Speaker 13 (47:49):
That's true.

Speaker 10 (47:51):
So we have to warn our children, have to prepare
our children. It's the same as a person going out
for their job the first day at their job. You know,
your boss may like you, he may like you, but
your job is to work in an atmosphere or create
an atmosphere around yourself that allows you to be protected
as you go forward to do what you've got to do.

(48:11):
That means if he's the boss, you're not. That's right now.
How we can become defer our attitude and our ego
to that takes learning. I was pleasantly exposed to a
man who was involved in the movies, mister Clarence Muse.

(48:35):
I don't know if you know Clarence Clarence was. He
made this step from silent films into talkies. He was
always the subservient black man in the movie, the butler,
the somebody, the chauffeur, the someone who was demonstratedly less

(48:59):
than the white man. And in the movie that attitude
on the screen was also an attitude expressed off the
screen on the set. But mister Muse had determined that
there was going to be an attitude he would assume
that would not allow him to be upset by the

(49:20):
ignorance of other people. And his statement was to me
and to everybody that would listen. And he said it
with a deep royal voice much like yours, mister Everett.

Speaker 13 (49:32):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 10 (49:34):
I have never found anyone intelligent enough to insult me. Amen. Yes,
Now when you listen to that, it's like, WHOA, what's
he saying? That profound statement? He's saying that I don't
care how crazy you talk. I know you're talking crazy,
and if you're talking crazy, I don't have to talk

(49:56):
to you. Kind of reminds me of what I've evolved
myself around. Is I make the statement that God only
requires me to be around one A. Ho Is that
okay to say on radio? I guess so I did. Yeah,
only one you got away with it, and anybody that
any other ones that that's my choice and that that

(50:17):
I should accept the responsibility for that. So we have
to teach our children, We have have to have part
of what you're doing. I guess that this Wednesday is
to let people know they need to be astute in
understanding where they are. If you're in the snake pit,
you kind of want to sit still and cover up.

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You know, you don't want to excite the snakes.

Speaker 13 (50:41):
You want to learn how to be to make.

Speaker 10 (50:42):
The dragons hungry. And if you're walking in a world
full of snakes and dragons, you need to walk in
a certain kind of way.

Speaker 13 (50:49):
That is true.

Speaker 10 (50:50):
Now there's some folks that say I'm not going to
make me do the under well that they become the exit.
They become the examples for us. And this is one
of the things that I've and I'm talking too much
going on to keep talking anyway, I've said I've had
the opportunity to speak to children into schools and I've
let them know that, you know, sometimes it's likely the

(51:11):
highway the speed limit is sixty five, and maybe I
can go seventy five as long as there's somebody going eighty. Yes, right,
maybe I can get away with a few more things.
Because there's some folks who are really crazier than I am.
And I say to you folks who are crazier than me,
thank you for opening the door and letting me be me.
But you are taking a big chance. You might want

(51:34):
to slow down. That's true, okay. And so as you
look at what's going on and you know your experience,
mister Everett, what is kind of advice are you able
to give to your granddaughters, your grandsons, what do you
say to them in terms of their interfacing with the
law and society in general.

Speaker 14 (51:59):
Coming from my experience and having a family as large
as I do, I want to always keep them conscious
of the fact that how they move represents this entire family.

Speaker 13 (52:13):
And so if you want me to stay out of trouble,
you stay out of trouble.

Speaker 14 (52:19):
I come from just kind of as a plug. I
work with a lot of brilliant people, and they are
the ones that have given me extended vision. And so
just talking about the school to prison pipeline and Black
Girl push out and all these things. We have organizers

(52:40):
who specifically work in these areas, which is a whole
nother conversation, but they too have given me the tools,
and so I tell them to trust the village and
the community they're in because it just extends our eyesight.
You know, everything is it's calculated and diabolical.

Speaker 10 (53:03):
But there has a trusting Yeah, you know, there's a
judgment and exciting who to trust.

Speaker 14 (53:08):
It's it's hard, but you pay attention.

Speaker 10 (53:14):
How do you help your daughters distinguish who to trust
and what is trustworthy? I understand you have two daughters.
They're both here today.

Speaker 15 (53:24):
Oh yes, well that seven so but we're not gonna
go with that down. But as for me, I teach
you have seven daughters, seven beautiful daughters. Seven daughters. Yes,
I'm trying to get my DNA to go into you know, uh.

Speaker 10 (53:45):
Well, I mean you know, well the two that I
see here quite attractive. I see you probably have you
have you ever shot at anybody because of your daughters.
I'm just kidding. Don't answer that. Don't answer that.

Speaker 15 (53:58):
No, we're to just say, you know, the world can
be a dangerous place.

Speaker 10 (54:04):
So what kind of advice have you been able to
deploy to your children that you think has been impactful?
And ladies, I like for you to think of something
your dad has told you that may have been very
impactful in your life. Because I've got a couple of
minutes and I'm gonna give you each thirty seconds to
tell me what your dad has been able to say

(54:24):
to you as this helped to make your life better.
I know there's some things he said that probably ticked
you off. We're not going there right now, and that's
James k.

Speaker 15 (54:38):
Yes, but I teach my kids etiquette and that's a
wonderful thing when you can watch your daughters grow up
and become great womans, give back to the community. Understand
that what you leave the house with is what you're
gonna come back to the house with is because if

(55:00):
you leave happy, you should come back happy. And whatever
goes on beyond the household, just remember your fundamental teachings
with your dad, your mom, and the love that we
share to you and the love that we give you.
Although it may be standards that you may not like

(55:22):
when you're younger, but when you get in your twenties
your thirties, you start realizing, when you're creating your own
home that these standards and that these different rules are
great rules. And it wasn't just to make you feel
either sheltered or make you feel someone either dictator or

(55:46):
any authority over you. It was just to give you
the ammunition to go out into the world and be
great people, great.

Speaker 10 (55:56):
Nats because you come stand behind your dad and wanted
to time. Take yourself, take that microphone, introduce yourself and
give us, give us an example of something that he
may have told you that you remember and uh and
kind of live your life by Okay, take it. Get
to that microphone and do it like that.

Speaker 17 (56:15):
It's a lot of examples. For one, I know how
to introduce yourself.

Speaker 10 (56:20):
My name is.

Speaker 17 (56:22):
And this is my sister Deja.

Speaker 18 (56:24):
Hi, I'm Dasha.

Speaker 10 (56:25):
Okay. Now you guys are two of seven sou Okay,
so tell us where you fit in that group of
seven in terms of you're the first, the oldest, and
youngest or whatever. Okay and uh then then tell us
how your dad has been able to influence your life.

(56:45):
And get to the microphone. Now you got to talk
to the.

Speaker 18 (56:49):
Hi, everybody. I'm Daisha. I'm the eldest of the seven.
I'm the one who started off. My dad has taught
me so far that if you want change, change has
to come from you. Not know when you're looking for
or you know the things that you're looking into, but

(57:11):
it has to start with you and you only first.
So any problems or anything that you go through or
you have, you have to take a step back and
look at yourself first before you can look at anyone
else's problems.

Speaker 10 (57:23):
Very profound, very profound. Let's hear from your other sister.

Speaker 17 (57:27):
From Unfortunately I'm the second one. My name is Shanice.
And what he taught me is sometimes you gotta work
harder to get what you want in life. And I
learned through in life that you know, so you get
overlooked a lot, and the work that I put out

(57:51):
it is not going to be reciprocated to me. So
he taught me to keep working towards what I am
and stay in school. But does that also as a
case mean also helped me in my own life and
work in life as well.

Speaker 10 (58:07):
James. I think you're doing a good job, sir, and
I know that they will be assisting and being part
of your program, the James Kane Experience. Yes, starting again
this Saturday for for very glad to be part of
helping get that going. Uh James ever? Yes one going time?
What time? And where is your event on this Wednesday?

Speaker 14 (58:30):
It will be this Wednesday at four six eight West
Fifth Street at Imani at the center.

Speaker 13 (58:38):
If you uh.

Speaker 10 (58:39):
That's in San bernard That's.

Speaker 13 (58:40):
In San Bernardino, City of San Bernardino, not too far.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
And there is food, there is food paying you to come.

Speaker 14 (58:46):
Hey, come eat and come and come conversate. We're going
to have a good time.

Speaker 10 (58:51):
Well, I appreciate that and I appreciate you all for
coming in very great job today, Anthony. I missed you,
my mood master. I thought he'd be here bringing on
that base this morning, but we miss it and we
hope that all as well. I continue my congratulations to
my son in law. Happy birthday to you, and once
again all of you folks out there. You may live

(59:11):
in a different town, you may live in a different
circumstances situation, but you are in a position to make
it better. You have the ability to make commitments that
will make your life and those around you much better.
I say, make those commitments, do the deal, and appreciate
the fact that God is here. We appreciate you. See
you next week. Under two circumstances. One if the Good

(59:34):
Lord's willing. Two if the creek don't rise, God bless
you see you.

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Speaker 10 (59:43):
Really.

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