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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Depressed the US is not at war with Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
There's not a war.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I mean we are at war against drug trafficking organizations,
is not a war against Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Rubio referred to Maduro as the head of the Cartel
de las Soles and that strikes on alleged drug boats
will continue.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
We will continue to reserve the right to take strikes
against drug boats that are bringing drugs towards the United
States that are being operated by transnational criminal organizations, including
the Cartel de la Soles.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The FAA is allowing airlines to resume flights in the
Caribbean after the airspace was closed after the strikes on
Venezuela Saturday. Hundreds of flights had to be canceled after
the actions were taken. Among the major airlines affected Delta, Americans,
Southwest and Jet Blue. The FAA says staffing issues caused
a ground delay at Los Angeles as Lax Airport last night,
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beginning just before seven pm, lasting until about midnight. LAX
has not provided any further details on the reported staffing issues.
More than five hundred flights at the airport had to
be delayed Saturday. Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green is pushing
back on President Trump's threat to intervene in Iran after
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Speaker 8 (05:42):
There's been so many things that.
Speaker 10 (05:44):
Had up, so many things that held challenge.
Speaker 9 (05:47):
But now it seems like things are fine.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Are you coming around?
Speaker 11 (05:51):
We'd have to use that mental bridge to us step
into the ature that we want to have. Well, of
course that means we have to acknowledg it's a position
that we're in right now.
Speaker 10 (06:04):
So where we are? Is this a new year? Some
of the same problems of the past, but hopefully some
anticipating with a little bit more enthusiasm, realizing that we
sit on the power, Realizing that we are with God.
If we choose to be God doesn't move, We don't
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have to worry so much about Him joining us as
us joining him, getting under that umbrella of faith that
allows us to see around corners and understand that everything
that we need to understand doesn't come to us at
a level where we're always comfortable. That means faith has
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to take place. So as I look forward to tomorrow,
I am not anticipating a big check for my share
of Venezuelan oil, and I hope you're not either. But
there are those out there who have Venezuela's oil on
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their mind, and they have suggested that there were other
reasons for going to Venezuela to take down the president Maduro.
The person who was occupying the seat as president certainly
wasn't the elected president. And I want nothing that I
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say today to be interpreted as an endorsement of mister
Maduro as president or as a good leader. I am
concerned always about process and procedure and understanding that I
have spent times going to my election plate deciding who
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to vote for. I voted for mister Pete Aguilar to
be my congressman. I'm not overly excited about the lack
of movement toward impeaching a man who has been president
for less than a year and has done more to
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harm me, my legacy, the legacy of my ancestors, the
imagery of black people in particular, and the things that
we have fought for. And I say that because I
do believe that black folks are the moral compass of America.
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I say that because we are the first aspect of
America's development that demonstrated that the compass pointed north, we
were going south. We have embellished the concept of slavery
racism and carried it through despite many laws and movements
that say that's over, we shouldn't do it. We've come
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around to the point of where the truth about racism
has made white people, some white people ashamed to the
point of they want to erase the history. I am
unfortunately tied into that enough to say that some of
the movements that we see taking place by our president, really,
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regardless of what he says, reflect a racist tone. Now
that's my take. And as we go further today and
have mister Macrome join us and miss rejoin us, we'll
get their take and see exactly how they feel about
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the occurrences of the last several days in regard to
the United States. And that's us of you and I
taking over Venezuela's oil, assuming that we are going to
run that country. I'm a people person. I don't see
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that we are necessarily concerned about the welfare of the people.
Do we say that we had a drug problem with Venezuela.
So welcome to twenty twenty six. Welcome to Empire Talks Back,
and I am going to proceed with today's program and
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introduce mister mac roe mack. How you doing this morning?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Hey, I'm doing good.
Speaker 12 (10:40):
How is everybody in southern California doing today? We love
to have you guys join us in this program. We
love you. Good to hear. Oh man, are we talking
about Venezuela.
Speaker 10 (10:53):
We are talking about Venezuela, you know.
Speaker 12 (10:57):
Okay, So let me let me just this at the
beginning of the program. I am a United States Navy veteran.
I'm also a war veteran. I was in the Desert Storm,
the invasion of Iraq, and so I know just a
little bit of what I'm talking about when it comes
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to Navy and war and so Venezuela we have. Now,
first off, let me just say it like this, mister Allen.
That was a spectacular victory.
Speaker 10 (11:38):
Oh that was an amazing precision demonstration of the precision
our military is capable of conducting. I have I have,
I have to without a doubt say that if that
military is operating on my behalf, I feel very very secure.
Speaker 12 (11:59):
I'm I mean, we have to look at what Russia
has been doing in Ukraine for the last two years.
They really lost a lot of blood, lives and people
trying to take over Ukraine. What America seems to have
done is avoid all that bloodshed. Now, let me, let me,
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let me, let me just say this. If you've ever
been privileged for somebody to buy you a car when
you were like maybe sixteen years old, We're just going
to use that as an example for Venezuela. So somebody
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your parents buy you a car, right and you're so
happy you have this car. And this is how mister
Trump and America is about Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right now, we got this, we have this.
Speaker 12 (12:53):
We've won this victory very quickly, way faster than Russia
took tried to take over Ukraine or whatever. But guess
what when somebody buys you a car on your sweet
sixteenth birthday. Do you know what happens after they buy
you that car? Yeah, you have to you have to
make insurance payments, you have to buy you have to
make maintenance payments, you have to take care of that car,
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and I believe that's what's about to happen in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's not the victory. It's okay, now we have you.
Speaker 12 (13:23):
We have you now we have to pay the price,
We have to pay the insurance, we have to pay
the maintenance.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We have to run your country now. So is it
a victory?
Speaker 10 (13:35):
Well, the one thing about your car, it's simply it
indicates its needs. You know, the little red lights will
come on and say you need to do this, blue
light will come on and say you need to do that.
With with Venezuela, we have taken out who we say
is the bad man and understanding that there will be
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some want to take his place. And will that person
continue doing what he did or will they do something different?
Will they be of regime change or just a change
in leadership to where they keep doing what they're doing.
Speaker 12 (14:17):
Well, in regards to Venezuela, they already have a lady
who is set up to take over the country if America,
that's what they want to do. This lady won. I
can't remember her name right now, so please forgive me,
but she did just win the Nobel Peace Prize this year.
Speaker 10 (14:32):
The one who won the yes, Huh the lady who
won the election. Is that who we're talking about? The
lady who won the election or the lady who missed Rodriguez.
Speaker 12 (14:46):
Yeah, she didn't win the election in Venezuela. I'm not
sure what election you're talking about. She did just win
a Nobel Peace Prize because she is the opposition. She
is opposite of Maduro.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (15:00):
Then, and what I'm saying is now that Madurou is
actually in American custody, I'm pretty sure they're going to
put this lady in power.
Speaker 10 (15:09):
Well, well, we'll get we'll get to see. The thing
that we have definitely seen or heard from our president
is that boots on the ground doesn't scare him. And
primarily the boots on the ground that he's concerned about
would be boots on the ground that protect the oil
and protect his ability to extract the oil, control the oil. Now,
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controlling the people and paying back the people. Uh, that
becomes a little harder. That's kind of like reparations. You know, Well,
who's really qualified to get them.
Speaker 12 (15:43):
Let's let's talk very intentionally about this subject. What President
Trump has said is that I'm going to Venezuela to
take their oil. So what he's also saying there is
we're going to rob these people up there their own
resources from their country because we feel, you know, we
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have Chevron and Shelle going there, we have some American
oil companies going to Venezuela, and you guys kicked us
out and we feel a certain way, so we feel
that we can come in and just take over your
entire country.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
Well we say the entire country, but in effect we
are saying also that the only thing that we are
really dedicated to putting boots under ground and protecting is
the oil. So if the people are upset about it,
and don't forget, Venezuela is about one and a half
times the size of Texas.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We have.
Speaker 10 (16:46):
People carrying guns in Venezuela that represent a lot of
different factions taking over Venezuela and taking care of the
people of Venezuela. For me, as a person who feels
that moral compassing is part of my job, I'm very
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cautious about saying that there's any type of victory Madero
as a person to be captive. I think that we
will see over a period of time that despite his
bad actions, the process and procedure once again will be
a point of concern for all of us, and based
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on that, we're going to have any arguments about this,
not just Democrat Republican. But I think I know for me,
I'm very concerned about the process. I'm concerned about the
fact I elected a congressperson who's to represent me and
my concerns and he knows nothing about this. He knows
a lot about a lot of other things, and he
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is still standing on a rock that says, I don't
know if I want to impeach this guy. My concern
is that this step is another step to confuse and
create chaos that allows our president to move further into
the pocket of power that will allow him to stay
in power and stay out of jail, which I think
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is his whole intent based on his inauguration earlier this
past year. So I'm kind of stuck on that bad
action and everything that has resulted from that as being
a cover up of that. So I've not moved beyond
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the fact that he came in wrong and he's done
nothing but wrong since then. The people that he promised
that he would do things for his base. I'm not
part of that base, but I can identify with them
in that he has not done for them what he
said he would do. So as he tells me today
what he plans to do with Venezuela, anticipate that there's
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that same nine of lie that he is standing on
as his truth, and that the ten percent of truth
that we will see will be incidental and unimportant, and
that we've probably seen it now and that's the capturing
of Madero.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 12 (19:20):
It used to be they used to call America the
world's policeman. Well, okay, Donald Trump ran and he said
that We're not going to be the world's policeman anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
But this guy is now the world's pyrie.
Speaker 13 (19:37):
Are you there.
Speaker 12 (19:39):
We're stealing stuff, we're taking oil tankers, we are lawless ourselves.
Speaker 10 (19:44):
Are you suggesting that he is or are you agreeing
that what he says he's going to do is not
necessarily what he's going to do. Does he qualify as
a liar or simply a person who makes mistakes about
the future?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
What do you believe?
Speaker 12 (19:58):
Donald Trump is a faith This man he represents other
powers that are behind him that keep him in power.
So I mean, like, if you would like to choose
to believe the worst that comes out of his mouth,
I have to question your intelligence.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
And so we go back to what you initially said.
We saw a precision demonstration, a demonstration of precision our
military is capable of. And at the same time, we
saw the misdirection that our president is willing to take
us through to accomplish his means, pretending to do the
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thing that we would like to see done.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Right, but I don't want us to.
Speaker 12 (20:44):
I made that analogy about a car in your sweet
sixteen birthday.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It's the maintenance.
Speaker 12 (20:51):
Do you understand there are people in Venezuela who follow Chavez,
they follow Maduro listen. They don't want to give their
oil and their resources to us for nothing. Those people
will become the maintenance. Those people will become our problem.
Since we've toppled their president and we're taking over their country.
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We're probably going to install this lady to be the
new president of Venezuela. But guess what, there's a lot
of people there who don't want their natural resources to
go be profit for American companies. They would like to
live a nice lifestyle. They want to live, which they
can afford because they have oil. These people have oil.
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They're selling it to China, they're selling it to Russia.
What we're doing right now is the most gangsterous move
I've ever seen. Like, yeah, we're just gonna take the oil. Well,
but guess what, there's gonna be maintenance, it's gonna be
a problem. Let's let's let Michie will come in. Uh,
we've got oil in America that is not being the
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benefits of which are not spread around to the United.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
States States people or the public. Why all of a
sudden we would expect that America or Trump would be
fair with the distribution of funds from the oil that
he steals from Venezuela. In matter of fact, if he
did do it, he would fall into the realm of
a socialist or communist, which we know he's not going
to do. But Micheah, good morning and happy New Year
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to you.
Speaker 13 (22:29):
Good morning and happy new year.
Speaker 14 (22:31):
Good morning our You know, obviously, our first piece of
conversation here is about the President taking over Venezuela in
our name with our military and taking intending out of
his mouth to take the oil and protect the oil.
And I haven't heard him say anything about protecting the people.
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I haven't heard any plan as macas indicated about what
the future will be in terms of the politic and
how it's ruling the people. Your take on this whole thing, missy, please.
Speaker 13 (23:06):
Well, first of all, we have a very large Venezuelan
contingent here in South Florida who began to migrate here
when Chavis took office, So they are very invested. They
are very active in the community. And when this election
took place last year, when Maria Carino Machado was elected,
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Venezuelan voted, They were very active in that vote, and
basically Madero said, well, I don't care she won.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
I'm not leaving a big landslide.
Speaker 13 (23:42):
She won with a very large she won with a
very large majority. Now, let's be clear, Venezuela is not
my country. It is not our country. So what these
people truly want, what the motivation is of either political
party is not necessarily something that any of us are
well versed in, and in a lot of ways, more
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is it our business. The one thing we do know, though,
is that Machado won, and then after that she won
the Nobel Peace Prize that our current president felt he deserved.
So when he spoke yesterday and said I don't think
that she's qualified. I don't think that the people there
like her, so I don't think she'll make a good
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successor understand that she's now living rent free. In his
head similar to another popular president that we all know
and love. So whatever he says about her, what he's
going to do, his motivations are consistent. He has a
group of business friends that he's already said, my friends
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are going to come in and they're going to run
the oil business and they're going to make a lot
of money. He said it out of his mouth yesterday,
except aren't very loud. And then he also said, this
woman who got seventy percent of the vote, I'm not
putting her in charge now. Whether or not he has
the authority to put anyone in charge in someone else's
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country is going to remain to be seen. France. I've
believe that there have now been about eleven countries who
have come forward to say that rightfully, if there's going
to be a transition of power, it belongs to Ms Machado,
who is their president elect. But on top of that,
yesterday he also said that Marco Rubio has been speaking
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with the Vice president in Venezuela and that she's ready
to do whatever he asked. An hour after that, she
came on with her cabinet. They're in the room with her,
and said, we are not getting ready to be anybody's colony.
You cannot have our natural resources. You kidnapped our president,
and you better send them back. Sure a lot of
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things right now. Congress is saying, who told you that
you could do this without talking to us. We want
to talk to you. The United Nations is saying, oh,
hell no, this is not how this works. We have
to have a meeting. So he's not the only one talking.
And even though he likes to walk around and basically
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declare and dictate what he wants, it's one thing for
him to do it in this country. It's one thing
for him to do it on open international waters. If
any of us think that China and Russia are going
to sit back and just let this happen, If any
of us think that the gorillas in Venezuela are going
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to just sit back and let this happen, all of
us need to just sit for a minute.
Speaker 12 (26:48):
That's what I was talking about. With the maintenance and
the insurance payments, Like after you get the car, you
still got a lot of work to go, and I
think we have a lot of work to go with Venezuela.
I'm not I agree with Mitchell. I think we're behaving lawlessly.
We are pirates. We are behaving lawlessly.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
And without a doubt, our representatives, our Congress, Republican and Democrat,
have not done their job to exert the power that
we have trusted them with to direct and maintain their
position of checks and balances, to control what our president
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is able to do. And the audacity of the man
is unquestionable. The fact that he is this is part
of a series of illegal activities, and his audacity about
being legal or illegal seems to be based on the
fact that he is the commander in chief of the
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most powerful, precision capable military on the planet, and the
fact that he is sick, demented, without good judgment, and
at the same time one who has the audacity of superman.
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It puts us into us, the people, the people of
the United States, the people of Venezuela, and the people
of the planet in a very precarious position. I stand
on the rock today that I stood on yesterday, that
I stood on in January of twenty twenty five, Donald
Trump needs to be impeached and the people who are
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in charge of doing that are the folks that we elected,
and that if we are going to be responsible me,
I am going to again speak to Peak Aguilar's answering
service because I can't get him on the phone. I'm
going to speak to his field rep because occasionally I'm
able to sneak up on him at a community activity
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and say, when are we going to get started with
the daily impeachment of Trump? Because you're going to tell
me we're not ready yet. We can't do it yet.
Speaker 12 (29:10):
And so okay, we have to win an election first.
We have to win this election this year, the midterm election,
before we can even think about impeaching him. I'm pretty
sure we're going to at least win the House. We
may win the Senate. And that's why I don't I
encourage everybody to get out there and vote, because there's
no time for apathy right now. What you're talking about,
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mister Allen is yes, it can be done, but we
have to get out there and vote this year. We
have to get out there and defeat these people period.
Speaker 13 (29:42):
In the meantime, In the meantime, we need to begin
not just the conversations that we have every week until
there's time to vote. We need to begin the process
of the preparation and the encouragement and the conversations so
that people do not become weary in their good doing.
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Because there are still a lot of months between here
and November. There are some primaries, there's a lot of politics,
and what they would love to do is have everyone
just feel so powerless, so frustrated, so tired, that they
just put their attention somewhere else. So it's the beginning
of the year. What I would love to do is
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say that we can have individual community conversations. How can
all of us, the three of us, and then the
people we talk to, the people that are listening to us,
How can we begin to have very constructive conversations that
remind people every day of how much control we have,
how much power and authority we actually have as individuals,
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not just to vote, but begin to encourage other people
and let them know they're not alone. The thing about
the elected officials is they listen to whoever's making the
most noise, who makes them think that if they don't
do what they say, they're going to be in trouble.
Every day that we're calling. They also have people sitting
in their office. They have pat groups, they have donors
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who are looking at them and going listen, Yeah, they
may show up, they may not show up. You know
what I'm going to do or not do if you
don't do what I say. And the only other thing
that reminds them that the people are the ones in
power is they look at numbers. They do get the
phone calls, but they also do count the social media
likee and so that every one of these representatives got
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online yesterday and issue their statements and issue their comments.
The mayor of Miami, even the representative that you're talking about,
we have to everyone has to push the button they have.
Your button is the telephone button. There are thousands of
people who have a phone in their hands, and if
we give them the language, they can go ahead and
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they can hit him where he's watched numbers, where his
where his committees are coming, and showing him the analytics
and the algorithm that can say to him, Okay, these
these five thousand comments that you have on here, seventy
five percent of them actually came from voters here in
your district. You better do something. And so we have
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to hit where they're measuring the numbers, so that means
that we can have our conversation. I would love for
the people who are listening to also be able to
know not just his phone number, not just his website,
but this is his Instagram, this is his this is
his ex this is his Facebook, and make yourself clear,
because that also can encourage him. When we go and
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we see how many other people have showed up to
go hell now, then we feel better about saying hell now.
Speaker 10 (32:45):
Well, yeah, we see people who immediately went out to protest.
And I agree with everything you've both said. I'm wondering
if both of you realize that what you're saying also
depends on a man of our desk, the losing some
of his audacity. We have what you're saying, Mitchua, and
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I agree with you, and I think we have to
inspire and push our activism on a daily basis. But
when you take away people's access to jobs, when you
take away their access to their health care, when you
take away the access to the normal flow of things,
you put them in a stress mode that makes it
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very hard to get involved in this other level of politics.
This is why he is so consistent, which is throwing
out new elements to confuse, to create chaos, to stress
us in another direction other than staying on point being
is he qualified? Is he doing what we need him
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to do as president? What should we and could we
do to get rid of his position of power? And
I think as we say get ready for the election,
one of the things we need to remember is that
we're talking about the number one election denier, the man
who consistently says elections aren't necessary and who does everything
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he can to prevent us from thinking that an election
is important. I question whether he wants us to have
an election, and I'll say it like that in hopes
that you'll look at the evidence that points out that
he doesn't. Why does doesn't he want an election? Because
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the change of regime here in the United States would
put people in power that would put him in jail.
He has broken so many laws. Yeah, And I think
since we all agree that that's part of his deal,
we should understand that getting to an election with him
in power. He's demonstrated that he would put troops on
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the street, and he did that with the idea and
hope I believe that there would be enough reaction to
him in a violent way that he would be able
to continue to put troops on the street to say
that there's no need for anybody else to try to
handle this. I've got it, and guess what we're going
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to call martial law so that we can keep these
people under control. But that that didn't work. So if
we go back a couple of months, one of the
things I said, well, his next move is going to
be to create a war so that America does what
it usually does, stands behind the president, and whatever our
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war effort is, despite the illegal legality of it or
illegality of it, we go back to you.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Know what happened.
Speaker 12 (35:47):
They won, They took they kidnapped that president from Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
There is no there's not going to be that.
Speaker 10 (35:56):
No, there is not from that standpoint.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
And number one, American people were against going to war
in Venezuela. But the way they did it, he robbed
himself of all that, all that fanfare of winning a
war and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, it's done that.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
The maintenance of the car, the maintenance of control of
Venezuela is going to be the flash point, or he
will attempt to go into Columbia, or he will attempt
to go into Nigeria places that he has already.
Speaker 13 (36:30):
Yeah, but this is the thing, there are already people
in those places that are not going to just let
him in.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
That's my point. That is exactly all of us.
Speaker 13 (36:40):
What's important for all of us, though, is to remember that, yes,
he's the number one election denier. Yes he came in
last year and immediately started laying off people and firing
people he didn't have the right to fire. We need
to know that. As a Friday, this past Friday, even
the Supreme Court has delayed yet another decision. And every
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one of these organizations, every one of these cabinets. We
have the woman from the Library of Congress. We have
lawsuits against Christine Nolan. We have federal workers who are
fighting back. We're just not seeing it in the news,
and a lot of them are winning these lawsuits so far.
And so I think it's important for us, and I
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get what you're saying. When we've disrupted people's livelihood, when
we put them in survival mode, it's hard for them
to focus on the politics. So this is where community
comes in. This is where independent media comes in and
comes on and says Hey, by the way, do you
know that people are fighting back and he's actually losing,
which is why he keeps doing all this crazy stuff
because he keeps wanting to throw you off. This is
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where a community can come in and say, you know what,
they've taken away your health care, but I do have
this multimillion dollar medical practice and I'm on your side.
Let me figure out ways to take care of people.
This is where a community, just like how mac is
growing food, This is where we can go ahead and
begin to feed one another as best we can so
that we can take that edge off as best we can,
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so that we can all fight together.
Speaker 12 (38:09):
Like I have to disagree with you, mischie, well, I
understand what you're saying, but this is the thing America is.
We're supposed to be governed by the people. We are
the power that is the government. And that's what's really
out of line right now is that Donald Trump and
his crew think that they are the power instead of
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the American people. And we have to remedy that problem.
And as much as we can feed ourselves or organize ourselves,
we have to deal with the real problem. And that's
the real problem. These people think that they are above
the law. They can do whatever they want, whenever they want,
and nobody's going to hold them to account. But the
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only people who can hold them to account is us.
Speaker 10 (38:55):
That's what she's saying, and.
Speaker 13 (38:57):
I'm saying, and what I'm saying is in the meantime, though,
every day, if you see someone that you also know
should be a registered voter, and we should all fight
back together. And you see them hungry, and you see
their kids hungry, and you have the ability to feed
them so that they can get the energy to get
to the polls, we need to do that. That's all
I'm saying is we do have a mean time situation.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well, and I understand, I understand.
Speaker 10 (39:25):
All of these angles are really important because they demonstrate
the chaos and confusion that stirring this pot creates because
we're right and we're wrong at the same time. We're
right if the pot is going to consistently stay where
it is, but we know that it keeps changing. The
thing that we got, the thing that gives this man
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the audacity is the title commander in chief. When he
found initially that he was not commander in chief because
he had military people who would not do the insane
things that he requires A requests if we go back,
I can say that this move in Venezuela is illegal
based on our constitution and our process and procedure. Now,
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what we're saying is President Trump has a military base
of generals who will do what he says legal or illegals.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
We just.
Speaker 10 (40:24):
We just well that thirty percent of the country he
doesn't really care about. Now that base. He's already gone
against that base and told him basically, y'all can kiss
my elbows. I have now got the real control access
that I need, and that's the military. I will use
them in your state. I've demonstrated I'll do it before,
and I know now the best way to do it
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is to be able to have an insurrection in your state.
I didn't get that done right last time, but I
will next time. Next time, I will hire these agent
provocateurs that will come in My guys that I told
the stand down before. I will be able to use
them to create the violence that's necessary for me to
bring my military in. And I've got generals now who
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will do what I say to do. The generals who
wouldn't do what he said to do. You praised them
two weeks ago. Mac our navy general, who's our navy
admiral who retired rather than go into the Caribbean and
do what ultimately we see done with Venezuela. So he's
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got the military. With the military and violence in the street.
We are a our way from an hour away, from
from an hour away. We have the let me back
you up, Let me back you up. Let me let
me reiterate what I said, because I must have said
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it too quickly. He will create violence in the street.
He didn't do it successfully when he brought them in
to California and tried to piss off Californians enough to
get people to shoot. He went into Chicago. He went
into Chicago, where there are enough guns to supply almost
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any army but Americas, and he could not create the
violence there this time. And he's got judgments against him.
Remember what happened with Trump's idol, mister Jackson when the
Cherokee Indian When the Cherokee Indians won their case at
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the Supreme Court that says they could have kept their land,
Jackson said, I'll tell you what, Supreme Court, don't have
no army. And he immediately put the Cherokees on the
trail of tears.
Speaker 12 (42:47):
Well, ultimately, I mean like you're saying that he may,
I'm saying that he will fall flag this situation. But
my question is why hasn't he done that already?
Speaker 10 (42:59):
He has attempted to, but it has it worked, but
he's still in the position to make it better. And
this move in Venezuela that everybody can say is illegal,
nobody can say it was legal. We've got some people
on his intelligence committee who will, you know, love the
limelight and say, well, he talked to me, but he
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did not go through the procedure of speaking to Congress.
And what he did is an act of war. You
cannot go into another sovereign nation kidnapped their president and
say you did it under a police action, as the
United Nations has said. So the question, well, did I
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answer your concern there about he has not created violence?
And should we worry that he is able to create
violence and use his army to create martial law and
take over and prevent that election?
Speaker 13 (44:00):
Six worry. I don't think worry is the word. I
like the word concerned, but I don't. First of all,
worry doesn't get us anywhere. I will say this.
Speaker 10 (44:11):
Back part those words, but we understand words are important.
Speaker 13 (44:16):
Words are important not just for the three of us,
but but again for listeners. Because when Andrew Jackson did that,
we didn't have an Internet, we didn't even have telephones,
we didn't even have an independent press, so we had
no The people had no way of knowing what was
really happening until years.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
After the fact.
Speaker 13 (44:36):
I remember being in a movie theater at in at
the Beverly Center when Geronimo came out, and I remember
being surrounded by all of these white people in the theater,
and I remember how quiet they got as the movie
proceeded to play out, and they watched lie after lie
and broken promise after broken promise by the American government,
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and I remember how quietly all of them left the
Now I was aware because I like to read history,
and I studied history, so I knew about these things,
but there were so many white people who had no
idea that this had really happened, that this was the
way they played out, that we really stole these people's land.
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And so that has been a part of the movement
that has caused people to stop celebrating Columbus Day to
start speaking about Indigenous people's day. So what I'm saying
is that when people if we just lean into the
idea that the majority of the people in this country
want to feel good about themselves and who they are
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and how they get what they get, if you make
them aware and they do have a choice, you give
them the opportunity to make a better choice. So what
I'm saying is if we bombard the same way that
he bombards everyone with the information about who he is,
who he is not, and what he's going to do,
we have the ability, even if it's just with one voice,
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is just with five hundred people listening, he can continue
to attempt things. But what are we going to do?
Are we going to continue to sit as defense or
are we going to try to come up with an offense?
Can we give people a strategy rather than it's worth?
Speaker 10 (46:14):
I think we all agree that that's necessary, regardless of
everything that takes place and alerting people and being the messenger,
we've all taken that responsibility and we deal with it
every day. What we also have to realize is that
not only has he controlled the military, he's propped up
all of the media bases with billionaires that will go
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in the direction he's going there.
Speaker 12 (46:39):
Can I can say something as a veteran, as somebody
who actually went to war for this country.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
This is normal business.
Speaker 12 (46:51):
America is not a good guy on the global stage,
right Donald Trump likes to pretend like we used to
be the world's policeman.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
That's never been the case.
Speaker 12 (47:00):
America does what we're doing in Venezuela right now.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
We do that regularly. That's that's what we do in
the military.
Speaker 12 (47:09):
And I think a lot of people have a false
image of what America is. America is not so the
lone ranger on the global soul scale.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
America is a robber. We still so you agree, mesources.
Speaker 10 (47:23):
So what you're saying there agrees with the fact that
our military, with the generals doing what he wants, is
capable of upcoming in and going into the martial laws
position on his command.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, but that that.
Speaker 12 (47:41):
Who's the president though. That's that's who made the president.
That's where the buck stops. Okay, So we can't blame
the military or whatever. We need to play the black
admiral he resigned instead of committee that we're witnessing today.
Speaker 10 (47:56):
I don't think it is the president not blaving. That's
why I'm saying we need to impeach him because he
will say martial law. And now we are in a
position where there's a military who will say yes, sir,
without a doubt. And that's the concern now, whether we
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worry about it, and I don't. I agree with the
mischieon worry isn't going to take us anywhere we need to.
We need to talk to our people every day, but
we need to talk to them with a goal in mind.
And the goal in mind, as far as I'm concerned,
is to take the person who is in charge, who
has led us down this primrose lane to war, to
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misunderstanding about who we are and accepting the concept that
who we are is who he says we are. Meanwhile,
we're talking about taking care and taking over another country
while our country is in shambles economically, in education, wise,
in shamble in terms of us as a people getting along,
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and if we are going to make the conversation, well
the conversation, and I'm leading to that, who do we
need to have the conversation with each other? I tried
to get to get someone on with us this morning
who I know is one hundred and eighty degrees away
from us, but he didn't quite want to show up.
We've got to talk.
Speaker 12 (49:22):
We've got to be able to convince we're not running
our country correctly. How are we going to take over
Vinis that.
Speaker 10 (49:29):
That question, that question that that question has no answer.
The answer that we're looking for has to go back
to what we said before about convincing our neighbors to
stand up and stop the President from continuing to direct
us in this misdirected way. And that means we need
to be talking to Republicans. We need to be talking
(49:50):
to I think that before.
Speaker 13 (49:52):
We even start to talk to Republicans, I think we
need to I think we need to talk to one
another because there is not a unified even on the
Democratic side. Well, there are so many different that's been
part of the problem.
Speaker 10 (50:05):
Well, as we look at the votes, if we look
at the votes in Congress, we can see that the
Democrats have been consistent both in the Senate and in
the in the legislature. And if we were talking today
about an impeachment that I do believe we would get
ninety percent of the Democrats, and that leaves us needing
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about twenty five or thirty of the Republicans. In terms
of the House of Representatives, and as far as the
Senator is concerned, we probably need to convince maybe five
or six of senators to actually, you're.
Speaker 13 (50:40):
Saying that we need to start to speak to Republican citizens,
Republican votes, the Republican voters, and then start to speak
to the people they've allowed.
Speaker 10 (50:50):
Yes, yes, Marjorie Taylor Green, for instance, let's look at
how we don't.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Ask a questions.
Speaker 12 (50:56):
But I can have either one of you participated in
a million or no Kings marches this year. Yes, because
if you go to those marches, and and since you
say yes, mister Allen, you know that the energy is there.
There are people who are activated, and there are people
who are This year is going to be one hell
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of an election.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I feel very.
Speaker 10 (51:22):
I feel very comfortable saying that we should talk to
Republican people about making the statement and making the issue
to their representatives, and that is our direction for change.
Speaker 13 (51:35):
But we need to encourage them to begin to make
a case for impeachment on their side, to push for
this even before.
Speaker 10 (51:43):
Absolutely and let me point out, let me point out
an attitude that we're operating with that extends this separation
and argument between the people Marjorie Taylor Green when she
changed her mind, we still want to slap her in
the face and talk about how she used to be.
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When when the vice president was a no trumper and
changed his mind, Trump absorbed him, accepted him, and made
him his vice presidential candidate. We have to be able
to not be Old Testament Christians an eye for an eye,
tooth for a tooth, but New Testament Christians who are
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able to forgive. If we want to have Republican people
look at our side and do it with some enthusiasm,
we're going to need to accept their past and more importantly,
accept them when they changed their mind and stop ridiculing them.
Can't make fun of them because they can't make fun
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of them because they made bad choices. If it's just
like an alcoholic who changes his mind, we don't call them,
oh you, oh yeah, yeah, you're a drunkard. We talked
to them in terms of their future, saying.
Speaker 13 (53:00):
That people have been missing formed the same way, that.
Speaker 10 (53:03):
That's why we have the opportunity informed.
Speaker 13 (53:08):
And maybe even the guests that you were trying to
get to come on. Maybe we needed to let him
know listen, we're not here for an argument. We're actually
here for a conversation.
Speaker 10 (53:17):
I'm not throwing I'm not throwing him away. I just
pointed that out as an example, and so I let
you know that I am trying to speak to Republicans
and it's not going to be and it's not going
to be easy because we have set up a situation
where they expect an argument and a fight and to.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Listen, man, yeah, okay, I hear you.
Speaker 12 (53:38):
I disagree with the lot because you guys are trying
to reach out to Republicans and there's a very good
portion of the Republican Party that doesn't want to be
reached out to. I wanted you to touch them. They
don't want to change their mind.
Speaker 10 (53:50):
And you'll know those people when you talk to them,
and you'll get to move on to the next because
once again, we don't need one hundred percent, We just
need a small percentage.
Speaker 13 (53:59):
And this this is just one this is just one avenue.
Remember that if you're in the middle of a storm,
there are different things that you have to do when
the storm is coming. You have to protect your windows,
you have to put up your shutters. You also have
to go and you have to go stock up on
food you have to maybe depending on where you are,
if it's someone's prone to flooding, you may need to
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set yourself up to take care of that. We are
all in this country. There are different communities. There are
different communities that have different cultural understandings and norms. There
are different ways to reach out to different people. There's
not going to be just one way to get this
done because there are too many different things that need
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to be done in the meantime. So I get what
Dad is saying, and that's why I said, Okay, let
me try to figure out what you mean. I hear you.
I also know that there are people right here in
my community who are Republicans who would rather die than
admit that this man needs to go.
Speaker 12 (54:59):
Elson and Moro that we're not talking about. And I
think it's like twenty forty six, maybe twenty fifty four,
America is going to become a majority.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Country colors.
Speaker 12 (55:13):
Yeah, non people, colored people, white people are going to
become a minority in this country. And I think that
we would we are foolish not to recognize their fears
of that.
Speaker 10 (55:24):
I think we recognize that. I think I think the
movement back toward killing civil rights the idea that we
want to reduce immigrant immigration, and if we are going
to have immigration, they want to favor immigration from northern Europe.
I understand that. I think most people do that racism
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and I started off with that racism is alive and
it's certainly going to have a bigger impact with the
idea that America is going to be a non white
nation in terms of population. But look at Texas. Texas
is already a non state. So is Florida, and so
and so is Louisiana. But their representation is that of
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white men, who is definitely the minority.
Speaker 13 (56:10):
So well because also though in Florida, for example, and
this is why when people even.
Speaker 10 (56:15):
Talked about the last we got two minutes, we got
two minutes. Let me give you, let me get let
me yeah, our go as quick when you're having fun, Missy,
give you to take thirty seconds or more and conclude,
and Mack you do the same.
Speaker 13 (56:31):
Let Mac go first, because he's he's been wanting a moment.
I've deferred that.
Speaker 12 (56:36):
No, I'm good, But what I'm what I'm gonna say
is that we need to get out here and vote
this year. I think this is probably going to be
the most. This year is going to be the most important,
important voting year in American history.
Speaker 10 (56:55):
I agree.
Speaker 12 (56:56):
And everything we're talking about impeaching Donald Trump and stopping
this this wave of lawlessness and terror, we can stop
it at the voting booth. But you get a lot
of people who encourage voter apathy. My word is, we
cannot allow that to happen. We have to get out
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there and vote. We have to do the other things
that you guys.
Speaker 10 (57:21):
Are suggesting for you most.
Speaker 12 (57:24):
We have to get these people. You have to vote
this year, well said, but you.
Speaker 13 (57:29):
Have to feel like feel like it matters. And I
think that's my thing is before we get to November,
what we do today matters, and so today we need
to begin to see one another. And if we're able
to see one another and acknowledge that we are all
going through something as a result of this administration. It
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may not be health care for you. It may be
your rights as a woman, it may be you, it
may be education. But we are all dissatisfied about something.
And I think that the reason there's voter apathy is
because we get to a position where we feel like
no one is listening, no one cares what we think,
and as a mom, one of the things I've learned
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is that if I can come into the conversation saying,
what is it that you need that you're not getting
and how can I help you get it, then that's
going to help us begin to get somewhere. So our
conversations today, right here, right now, January fourth, matter very
good one another and here one another.
Speaker 10 (58:35):
If I can have my turn now. It appears that
we should vote, we should educate ourselves on voting, and
we should talk to each other. And I think that
you're both right in that we have things in common
that we should try to bring to you as the
subject matter for us to introduce a reason to talk together.
(58:55):
And I think that coming together will possibly save us
from martial law, allow us to see past the fake
differences that are constantly be drawn between us and realize
that we are on the same team. And that part,
I think is very critical. We have people who who's
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Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners were upset because of political differences
and not being able to set those things aside and
remember that we are family and we are on the
same team. Team. I love you. I appreciate the fact
that you're here. I appreciate the fact that you are
representing a strength and you are trying to bring that
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strength out in your neighbor and I beg you to
continue to do that. And I look forward to twenty
twenty six, and I looked so forward to being able
to go to the polls and vote in November. So
hopefully that'll happen. God bless you enjoy the new year.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
I love it ahead you've.
Speaker 13 (01:00:01):
Got, give it all you got, and give guys room
to move.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
That's right, twit tweety said, pleats go mm hmm.
Depressed the US is not at war with Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
There's not a war.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I mean we are at war against drug trafficking organizations,
is not a war against Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Rubio referred to Maduro as the head of the Cartel
de las Soles and that strikes on alleged drug boats
will continue.
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against drug boats that are bringing drugs towards the United
States that are being operated by transnational criminal organizations, including
the Cartel de la Soles.
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has not provided any further details on the reported staffing issues.
More than five hundred flights at the airport had to
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Bad. When around the movie this says twenty twenty six.
Of course you knew that. If you didn't know that,
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you are really gonna be surprised by the day's word.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
There's been so many things that.
Speaker 10 (05:44):
Had up, so many things that held challenge.
Speaker 9 (05:47):
But now it seems like things are fine.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Are you coming around?
Speaker 11 (05:51):
We'd have to use that mental bridge to us step
into the ature that we want to have. Well, of
course that means we have to acknowledg it's a position
that we're in right now.
Speaker 10 (06:04):
So where we are? Is this a new year? Some
of the same problems of the past, but hopefully some
anticipating with a little bit more enthusiasm, realizing that we
sit on the power, Realizing that we are with God.
If we choose to be God doesn't move, We don't
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have to worry so much about Him joining us as
us joining him, getting under that umbrella of faith that
allows us to see around corners and understand that everything
that we need to understand doesn't come to us at
a level where we're always comfortable. That means faith has
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to take place. So as I look forward to tomorrow,
I am not anticipating a big check for my share
of Venezuelan oil, and I hope you're not either. But
there are those out there who have Venezuela's oil on
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their mind, and they have suggested that there were other
reasons for going to Venezuela to take down the president Maduro.
The person who was occupying the seat as president certainly
wasn't the elected president. And I want nothing that I
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say today to be interpreted as an endorsement of mister
Maduro as president or as a good leader. I am
concerned always about process and procedure and understanding that I
have spent times going to my election plate deciding who
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to vote for. I voted for mister Pete Aguilar to
be my congressman. I'm not overly excited about the lack
of movement toward impeaching a man who has been president
for less than a year and has done more to
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harm me, my legacy, the legacy of my ancestors, the
imagery of black people in particular, and the things that
we have fought for. And I say that because I
do believe that black folks are the moral compass of America.
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I say that because we are the first aspect of
America's development that demonstrated that the compass pointed north, we
were going south. We have embellished the concept of slavery
racism and carried it through despite many laws and movements
that say that's over, we shouldn't do it. We've come
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around to the point of where the truth about racism
has made white people, some white people ashamed to the
point of they want to erase the history. I am
unfortunately tied into that enough to say that some of
the movements that we see taking place by our president, really,
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regardless of what he says, reflect a racist tone. Now
that's my take. And as we go further today and
have mister Macrome join us and miss rejoin us, we'll
get their take and see exactly how they feel about
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the occurrences of the last several days in regard to
the United States. And that's us of you and I
taking over Venezuela's oil, assuming that we are going to
run that country. I'm a people person. I don't see
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that we are necessarily concerned about the welfare of the people.
Do we say that we had a drug problem with Venezuela.
So welcome to twenty twenty six. Welcome to Empire Talks Back,
and I am going to proceed with today's program and
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introduce mister mac roe mack. How you doing this morning?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Hey, I'm doing good.
Speaker 12 (10:40):
How is everybody in southern California doing today? We love
to have you guys join us in this program. We
love you. Good to hear. Oh man, are we talking
about Venezuela.
Speaker 10 (10:53):
We are talking about Venezuela, you know.
Speaker 12 (10:57):
Okay, So let me let me just this at the
beginning of the program. I am a United States Navy veteran.
I'm also a war veteran. I was in the Desert Storm,
the invasion of Iraq, and so I know just a
little bit of what I'm talking about when it comes
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to Navy and war and so Venezuela we have. Now,
first off, let me just say it like this, mister Allen.
That was a spectacular victory.
Speaker 10 (11:38):
Oh that was an amazing precision demonstration of the precision
our military is capable of conducting. I have I have,
I have to without a doubt say that if that
military is operating on my behalf, I feel very very secure.
Speaker 12 (11:59):
I'm I mean, we have to look at what Russia
has been doing in Ukraine for the last two years.
They really lost a lot of blood, lives and people
trying to take over Ukraine. What America seems to have
done is avoid all that bloodshed. Now, let me, let me,
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let me, let me just say this. If you've ever
been privileged for somebody to buy you a car when
you were like maybe sixteen years old, We're just going
to use that as an example for Venezuela. So somebody
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your parents buy you a car, right and you're so
happy you have this car. And this is how mister
Trump and America is about Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right now, we got this, we have this.
Speaker 12 (12:53):
We've won this victory very quickly, way faster than Russia
took tried to take over Ukraine or whatever. But guess
what when somebody buys you a car on your sweet
sixteenth birthday. Do you know what happens after they buy
you that car? Yeah, you have to you have to
make insurance payments, you have to buy you have to
make maintenance payments, you have to take care of that car,
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and I believe that's what's about to happen in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's not the victory. It's okay, now we have you.
Speaker 12 (13:23):
We have you now we have to pay the price,
We have to pay the insurance, we have to pay
the maintenance.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We have to run your country now. So is it
a victory?
Speaker 10 (13:35):
Well, the one thing about your car, it's simply it
indicates its needs. You know, the little red lights will
come on and say you need to do this, blue
light will come on and say you need to do that.
With with Venezuela, we have taken out who we say
is the bad man and understanding that there will be
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some want to take his place. And will that person
continue doing what he did or will they do something different?
Will they be of regime change or just a change
in leadership to where they keep doing what they're doing.
Speaker 12 (14:17):
Well, in regards to Venezuela, they already have a lady
who is set up to take over the country if America,
that's what they want to do. This lady won. I
can't remember her name right now, so please forgive me,
but she did just win the Nobel Peace Prize this year.
Speaker 10 (14:32):
The one who won the yes, Huh the lady who
won the election. Is that who we're talking about? The
lady who won the election or the lady who missed Rodriguez.
Speaker 12 (14:46):
Yeah, she didn't win the election in Venezuela. I'm not
sure what election you're talking about. She did just win
a Nobel Peace Prize because she is the opposition. She
is opposite of Maduro.
Speaker 10 (15:00):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (15:00):
Then, and what I'm saying is now that Madurou is
actually in American custody, I'm pretty sure they're going to
put this lady in power.
Speaker 10 (15:09):
Well, well, we'll get we'll get to see. The thing
that we have definitely seen or heard from our president
is that boots on the ground doesn't scare him. And
primarily the boots on the ground that he's concerned about
would be boots on the ground that protect the oil
and protect his ability to extract the oil, control the oil. Now,
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controlling the people and paying back the people. Uh, that
becomes a little harder. That's kind of like reparations. You know, Well,
who's really qualified to get them.
Speaker 12 (15:43):
Let's let's talk very intentionally about this subject. What President
Trump has said is that I'm going to Venezuela to
take their oil. So what he's also saying there is
we're going to rob these people up there their own
resources from their country because we feel, you know, we
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have Chevron and Shelle going there, we have some American
oil companies going to Venezuela, and you guys kicked us
out and we feel a certain way, so we feel
that we can come in and just take over your
entire country.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
Well we say the entire country, but in effect we
are saying also that the only thing that we are
really dedicated to putting boots under ground and protecting is
the oil. So if the people are upset about it,
and don't forget, Venezuela is about one and a half
times the size of Texas.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We have.
Speaker 10 (16:46):
People carrying guns in Venezuela that represent a lot of
different factions taking over Venezuela and taking care of the
people of Venezuela. For me, as a person who feels
that moral compassing is part of my job, I'm very
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cautious about saying that there's any type of victory Madero
as a person to be captive. I think that we
will see over a period of time that despite his
bad actions, the process and procedure once again will be
a point of concern for all of us, and based
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on that, we're going to have any arguments about this,
not just Democrat Republican. But I think I know for me,
I'm very concerned about the process. I'm concerned about the
fact I elected a congressperson who's to represent me and
my concerns and he knows nothing about this. He knows
a lot about a lot of other things, and he
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is still standing on a rock that says, I don't
know if I want to impeach this guy. My concern
is that this step is another step to confuse and
create chaos that allows our president to move further into
the pocket of power that will allow him to stay
in power and stay out of jail, which I think
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is his whole intent based on his inauguration earlier this
past year. So I'm kind of stuck on that bad
action and everything that has resulted from that as being
a cover up of that. So I've not moved beyond
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the fact that he came in wrong and he's done
nothing but wrong since then. The people that he promised
that he would do things for his base. I'm not
part of that base, but I can identify with them
in that he has not done for them what he
said he would do. So as he tells me today
what he plans to do with Venezuela, anticipate that there's
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that same nine of lie that he is standing on
as his truth, and that the ten percent of truth
that we will see will be incidental and unimportant, and
that we've probably seen it now and that's the capturing
of Madero.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 12 (19:20):
It used to be they used to call America the
world's policeman. Well, okay, Donald Trump ran and he said
that We're not going to be the world's policeman anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
But this guy is now the world's pyrie.
Speaker 13 (19:37):
Are you there.
Speaker 12 (19:39):
We're stealing stuff, we're taking oil tankers, we are lawless ourselves.
Speaker 10 (19:44):
Are you suggesting that he is or are you agreeing
that what he says he's going to do is not
necessarily what he's going to do. Does he qualify as
a liar or simply a person who makes mistakes about
the future?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
What do you believe?
Speaker 12 (19:58):
Donald Trump is a faith This man he represents other
powers that are behind him that keep him in power.
So I mean, like, if you would like to choose
to believe the worst that comes out of his mouth,
I have to question your intelligence.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
And so we go back to what you initially said.
We saw a precision demonstration, a demonstration of precision our
military is capable of. And at the same time, we
saw the misdirection that our president is willing to take
us through to accomplish his means, pretending to do the
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thing that we would like to see done.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Right, but I don't want us to.
Speaker 12 (20:44):
I made that analogy about a car in your sweet
sixteen birthday.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It's the maintenance.
Speaker 12 (20:51):
Do you understand there are people in Venezuela who follow Chavez,
they follow Maduro listen. They don't want to give their
oil and their resources to us for nothing. Those people
will become the maintenance. Those people will become our problem.
Since we've toppled their president and we're taking over their country.
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We're probably going to install this lady to be the
new president of Venezuela. But guess what, there's a lot
of people there who don't want their natural resources to
go be profit for American companies. They would like to
live a nice lifestyle. They want to live, which they
can afford because they have oil. These people have oil.
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They're selling it to China, they're selling it to Russia.
What we're doing right now is the most gangsterous move
I've ever seen. Like, yeah, we're just gonna take the oil. Well,
but guess what, there's gonna be maintenance, it's gonna be
a problem. Let's let's let Michie will come in. Uh,
we've got oil in America that is not being the
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benefits of which are not spread around to the United.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
States States people or the public. Why all of a
sudden we would expect that America or Trump would be
fair with the distribution of funds from the oil that
he steals from Venezuela. In matter of fact, if he
did do it, he would fall into the realm of
a socialist or communist, which we know he's not going
to do. But Micheah, good morning and happy New Year
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to you.
Speaker 13 (22:29):
Good morning and happy new year.
Speaker 14 (22:31):
Good morning our You know, obviously, our first piece of
conversation here is about the President taking over Venezuela in
our name with our military and taking intending out of
his mouth to take the oil and protect the oil.
And I haven't heard him say anything about protecting the people.
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I haven't heard any plan as macas indicated about what
the future will be in terms of the politic and
how it's ruling the people. Your take on this whole thing, missy, please.
Speaker 13 (23:06):
Well, first of all, we have a very large Venezuelan
contingent here in South Florida who began to migrate here
when Chavis took office, So they are very invested. They
are very active in the community. And when this election
took place last year, when Maria Carino Machado was elected,
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Venezuelan voted, They were very active in that vote, and
basically Madero said, well, I don't care she won.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
I'm not leaving a big landslide.
Speaker 13 (23:42):
She won with a very large she won with a
very large majority. Now, let's be clear, Venezuela is not
my country. It is not our country. So what these
people truly want, what the motivation is of either political
party is not necessarily something that any of us are
well versed in, and in a lot of ways, more
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is it our business. The one thing we do know, though,
is that Machado won, and then after that she won
the Nobel Peace Prize that our current president felt he deserved.
So when he spoke yesterday and said I don't think
that she's qualified. I don't think that the people there
like her, so I don't think she'll make a good
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successor understand that she's now living rent free. In his
head similar to another popular president that we all know
and love. So whatever he says about her, what he's
going to do, his motivations are consistent. He has a
group of business friends that he's already said, my friends
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are going to come in and they're going to run
the oil business and they're going to make a lot
of money. He said it out of his mouth yesterday,
except aren't very loud. And then he also said, this
woman who got seventy percent of the vote, I'm not
putting her in charge now. Whether or not he has
the authority to put anyone in charge in someone else's
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country is going to remain to be seen. France. I've
believe that there have now been about eleven countries who
have come forward to say that rightfully, if there's going
to be a transition of power, it belongs to Ms Machado,
who is their president elect. But on top of that,
yesterday he also said that Marco Rubio has been speaking
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with the Vice president in Venezuela and that she's ready
to do whatever he asked. An hour after that, she
came on with her cabinet. They're in the room with her,
and said, we are not getting ready to be anybody's colony.
You cannot have our natural resources. You kidnapped our president,
and you better send them back. Sure a lot of
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things right now. Congress is saying, who told you that
you could do this without talking to us. We want
to talk to you. The United Nations is saying, oh,
hell no, this is not how this works. We have
to have a meeting. So he's not the only one talking.
And even though he likes to walk around and basically
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declare and dictate what he wants, it's one thing for
him to do it in this country. It's one thing
for him to do it on open international waters. If
any of us think that China and Russia are going
to sit back and just let this happen, If any
of us think that the gorillas in Venezuela are going
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to just sit back and let this happen, all of
us need to just sit for a minute.
Speaker 12 (26:48):
That's what I was talking about. With the maintenance and
the insurance payments, Like after you get the car, you
still got a lot of work to go, and I
think we have a lot of work to go with Venezuela.
I'm not I agree with Mitchell. I think we're behaving lawlessly.
We are pirates. We are behaving lawlessly.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
And without a doubt, our representatives, our Congress, Republican and Democrat,
have not done their job to exert the power that
we have trusted them with to direct and maintain their
position of checks and balances, to control what our president
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is able to do. And the audacity of the man
is unquestionable. The fact that he is this is part
of a series of illegal activities, and his audacity about
being legal or illegal seems to be based on the
fact that he is the commander in chief of the
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most powerful, precision capable military on the planet, and the
fact that he is sick, demented, without good judgment, and
at the same time one who has the audacity of superman.
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It puts us into us, the people, the people of
the United States, the people of Venezuela, and the people
of the planet in a very precarious position. I stand
on the rock today that I stood on yesterday, that
I stood on in January of twenty twenty five, Donald
Trump needs to be impeached and the people who are
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in charge of doing that are the folks that we elected,
and that if we are going to be responsible me,
I am going to again speak to Peak Aguilar's answering
service because I can't get him on the phone. I'm
going to speak to his field rep because occasionally I'm
able to sneak up on him at a community activity
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and say, when are we going to get started with
the daily impeachment of Trump? Because you're going to tell
me we're not ready yet. We can't do it yet.
Speaker 12 (29:10):
And so okay, we have to win an election first.
We have to win this election this year, the midterm election,
before we can even think about impeaching him. I'm pretty
sure we're going to at least win the House. We
may win the Senate. And that's why I don't I
encourage everybody to get out there and vote, because there's
no time for apathy right now. What you're talking about,
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mister Allen is yes, it can be done, but we
have to get out there and vote this year. We
have to get out there and defeat these people period.
Speaker 13 (29:42):
In the meantime, In the meantime, we need to begin
not just the conversations that we have every week until
there's time to vote. We need to begin the process
of the preparation and the encouragement and the conversations so
that people do not become weary in their good doing.
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Because there are still a lot of months between here
and November. There are some primaries, there's a lot of politics,
and what they would love to do is have everyone
just feel so powerless, so frustrated, so tired, that they
just put their attention somewhere else. So it's the beginning
of the year. What I would love to do is
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say that we can have individual community conversations. How can
all of us, the three of us, and then the
people we talk to, the people that are listening to us,
How can we begin to have very constructive conversations that
remind people every day of how much control we have,
how much power and authority we actually have as individuals,
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not just to vote, but begin to encourage other people
and let them know they're not alone. The thing about
the elected officials is they listen to whoever's making the
most noise, who makes them think that if they don't
do what they say, they're going to be in trouble.
Every day that we're calling. They also have people sitting
in their office. They have pat groups, they have donors
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who are looking at them and going listen, Yeah, they
may show up, they may not show up. You know
what I'm going to do or not do if you
don't do what I say. And the only other thing
that reminds them that the people are the ones in
power is they look at numbers. They do get the
phone calls, but they also do count the social media
likee and so that every one of these representatives got
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online yesterday and issue their statements and issue their comments.
The mayor of Miami, even the representative that you're talking about,
we have to everyone has to push the button they have.
Your button is the telephone button. There are thousands of
people who have a phone in their hands, and if
we give them the language, they can go ahead and
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they can hit him where he's watched numbers, where his
where his committees are coming, and showing him the analytics
and the algorithm that can say to him, Okay, these
these five thousand comments that you have on here, seventy
five percent of them actually came from voters here in
your district. You better do something. And so we have
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to hit where they're measuring the numbers, so that means
that we can have our conversation. I would love for
the people who are listening to also be able to
know not just his phone number, not just his website,
but this is his Instagram, this is his this is
his ex this is his Facebook, and make yourself clear,
because that also can encourage him. When we go and
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we see how many other people have showed up to
go hell now, then we feel better about saying hell now.
Speaker 10 (32:45):
Well, yeah, we see people who immediately went out to protest.
And I agree with everything you've both said. I'm wondering
if both of you realize that what you're saying also
depends on a man of our desk, the losing some
of his audacity. We have what you're saying, Mitchua, and
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I agree with you, and I think we have to
inspire and push our activism on a daily basis. But
when you take away people's access to jobs, when you
take away their access to their health care, when you
take away the access to the normal flow of things,
you put them in a stress mode that makes it
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very hard to get involved in this other level of politics.
This is why he is so consistent, which is throwing
out new elements to confuse, to create chaos, to stress
us in another direction other than staying on point being
is he qualified? Is he doing what we need him
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to do as president? What should we and could we
do to get rid of his position of power? And
I think as we say get ready for the election,
one of the things we need to remember is that
we're talking about the number one election denier, the man
who consistently says elections aren't necessary and who does everything
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he can to prevent us from thinking that an election
is important. I question whether he wants us to have
an election, and I'll say it like that in hopes
that you'll look at the evidence that points out that
he doesn't. Why does doesn't he want an election? Because
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the change of regime here in the United States would
put people in power that would put him in jail.
He has broken so many laws. Yeah, And I think
since we all agree that that's part of his deal,
we should understand that getting to an election with him
in power. He's demonstrated that he would put troops on
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the street, and he did that with the idea and
hope I believe that there would be enough reaction to
him in a violent way that he would be able
to continue to put troops on the street to say
that there's no need for anybody else to try to
handle this. I've got it, and guess what we're going
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to call martial law so that we can keep these
people under control. But that that didn't work. So if
we go back a couple of months, one of the
things I said, well, his next move is going to
be to create a war so that America does what
it usually does, stands behind the president, and whatever our
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war effort is, despite the illegal legality of it or
illegality of it, we go back to you.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Know what happened.
Speaker 12 (35:47):
They won, They took they kidnapped that president from Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
There is no there's not going to be that.
Speaker 10 (35:56):
No, there is not from that standpoint.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
And number one, American people were against going to war
in Venezuela. But the way they did it, he robbed
himself of all that, all that fanfare of winning a
war and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, it's done that.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
The maintenance of the car, the maintenance of control of
Venezuela is going to be the flash point, or he
will attempt to go into Columbia, or he will attempt
to go into Nigeria places that he has already.
Speaker 13 (36:30):
Yeah, but this is the thing, there are already people
in those places that are not going to just let
him in.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
That's my point. That is exactly all of us.
Speaker 13 (36:40):
What's important for all of us, though, is to remember that, yes,
he's the number one election denier. Yes he came in
last year and immediately started laying off people and firing
people he didn't have the right to fire. We need
to know that. As a Friday, this past Friday, even
the Supreme Court has delayed yet another decision. And every
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one of these organizations, every one of these cabinets. We
have the woman from the Library of Congress. We have
lawsuits against Christine Nolan. We have federal workers who are
fighting back. We're just not seeing it in the news,
and a lot of them are winning these lawsuits so far.
And so I think it's important for us, and I
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get what you're saying. When we've disrupted people's livelihood, when
we put them in survival mode, it's hard for them
to focus on the politics. So this is where community
comes in. This is where independent media comes in and
comes on and says Hey, by the way, do you
know that people are fighting back and he's actually losing,
which is why he keeps doing all this crazy stuff
because he keeps wanting to throw you off. This is
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where a community can come in and say, you know what,
they've taken away your health care, but I do have
this multimillion dollar medical practice and I'm on your side.
Let me figure out ways to take care of people.
This is where a community, just like how mac is
growing food, This is where we can go ahead and
begin to feed one another as best we can so
that we can take that edge off as best we can,
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so that we can all fight together.
Speaker 12 (38:09):
Like I have to disagree with you, mischie, well, I
understand what you're saying, but this is the thing America is.
We're supposed to be governed by the people. We are
the power that is the government. And that's what's really
out of line right now is that Donald Trump and
his crew think that they are the power instead of
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the American people. And we have to remedy that problem.
And as much as we can feed ourselves or organize ourselves,
we have to deal with the real problem. And that's
the real problem. These people think that they are above
the law. They can do whatever they want, whenever they want,
and nobody's going to hold them to account. But the
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only people who can hold them to account is us.
Speaker 10 (38:55):
That's what she's saying, and.
Speaker 13 (38:57):
I'm saying, and what I'm saying is in the meantime, though,
every day, if you see someone that you also know
should be a registered voter, and we should all fight
back together. And you see them hungry, and you see
their kids hungry, and you have the ability to feed
them so that they can get the energy to get
to the polls, we need to do that. That's all
I'm saying is we do have a mean time situation.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well, and I understand, I understand.
Speaker 10 (39:25):
All of these angles are really important because they demonstrate
the chaos and confusion that stirring this pot creates because
we're right and we're wrong at the same time. We're
right if the pot is going to consistently stay where
it is, but we know that it keeps changing. The
thing that we got, the thing that gives this man
(39:45):
the audacity is the title commander in chief. When he
found initially that he was not commander in chief because
he had military people who would not do the insane
things that he requires A requests if we go back,
I can say that this move in Venezuela is illegal
based on our constitution and our process and procedure. Now,
(40:09):
what we're saying is President Trump has a military base
of generals who will do what he says legal or illegals.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
We just.
Speaker 10 (40:24):
We just well that thirty percent of the country he
doesn't really care about. Now that base. He's already gone
against that base and told him basically, y'all can kiss
my elbows. I have now got the real control access
that I need, and that's the military. I will use
them in your state. I've demonstrated I'll do it before,
and I know now the best way to do it
(40:46):
is to be able to have an insurrection in your state.
I didn't get that done right last time, but I
will next time. Next time, I will hire these agent
provocateurs that will come in My guys that I told
the stand down before. I will be able to use
them to create the violence that's necessary for me to
bring my military in. And I've got generals now who
(41:10):
will do what I say to do. The generals who
wouldn't do what he said to do. You praised them
two weeks ago. Mac our navy general, who's our navy
admiral who retired rather than go into the Caribbean and
do what ultimately we see done with Venezuela. So he's
(41:31):
got the military. With the military and violence in the street.
We are a our way from an hour away, from
from an hour away. We have the let me back
you up, Let me back you up. Let me let
me reiterate what I said, because I must have said
(41:53):
it too quickly. He will create violence in the street.
He didn't do it successfully when he brought them in
to California and tried to piss off Californians enough to
get people to shoot. He went into Chicago. He went
into Chicago, where there are enough guns to supply almost
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any army but Americas, and he could not create the
violence there this time. And he's got judgments against him.
Remember what happened with Trump's idol, mister Jackson when the
Cherokee Indian When the Cherokee Indians won their case at
(42:33):
the Supreme Court that says they could have kept their land,
Jackson said, I'll tell you what, Supreme Court, don't have
no army. And he immediately put the Cherokees on the
trail of tears.
Speaker 12 (42:47):
Well, ultimately, I mean like you're saying that he may,
I'm saying that he will fall flag this situation. But
my question is why hasn't he done that already?
Speaker 10 (42:59):
He has attempted to, but it has it worked, but
he's still in the position to make it better. And
this move in Venezuela that everybody can say is illegal,
nobody can say it was legal. We've got some people
on his intelligence committee who will, you know, love the
limelight and say, well, he talked to me, but he
(43:21):
did not go through the procedure of speaking to Congress.
And what he did is an act of war. You
cannot go into another sovereign nation kidnapped their president and
say you did it under a police action, as the
United Nations has said. So the question, well, did I
(43:43):
answer your concern there about he has not created violence?
And should we worry that he is able to create
violence and use his army to create martial law and
take over and prevent that election?
Speaker 13 (44:00):
Six worry. I don't think worry is the word. I
like the word concerned, but I don't. First of all,
worry doesn't get us anywhere. I will say this.
Speaker 10 (44:11):
Back part those words, but we understand words are important.
Speaker 13 (44:16):
Words are important not just for the three of us,
but but again for listeners. Because when Andrew Jackson did that,
we didn't have an Internet, we didn't even have telephones,
we didn't even have an independent press, so we had
no The people had no way of knowing what was
really happening until years.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
After the fact.
Speaker 13 (44:36):
I remember being in a movie theater at in at
the Beverly Center when Geronimo came out, and I remember
being surrounded by all of these white people in the theater,
and I remember how quiet they got as the movie
proceeded to play out, and they watched lie after lie
and broken promise after broken promise by the American government,
(44:56):
and I remember how quietly all of them left the
Now I was aware because I like to read history,
and I studied history, so I knew about these things,
but there were so many white people who had no
idea that this had really happened, that this was the
way they played out, that we really stole these people's land.
(45:17):
And so that has been a part of the movement
that has caused people to stop celebrating Columbus Day to
start speaking about Indigenous people's day. So what I'm saying
is that when people if we just lean into the
idea that the majority of the people in this country
want to feel good about themselves and who they are
(45:38):
and how they get what they get, if you make
them aware and they do have a choice, you give
them the opportunity to make a better choice. So what
I'm saying is if we bombard the same way that
he bombards everyone with the information about who he is,
who he is not, and what he's going to do,
we have the ability, even if it's just with one voice,
(46:00):
is just with five hundred people listening, he can continue
to attempt things. But what are we going to do?
Are we going to continue to sit as defense or
are we going to try to come up with an offense?
Can we give people a strategy rather than it's worth?
Speaker 10 (46:14):
I think we all agree that that's necessary, regardless of
everything that takes place and alerting people and being the messenger,
we've all taken that responsibility and we deal with it
every day. What we also have to realize is that
not only has he controlled the military, he's propped up
all of the media bases with billionaires that will go
(46:38):
in the direction he's going there.
Speaker 12 (46:39):
Can I can say something as a veteran, as somebody
who actually went to war for this country.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
This is normal business.
Speaker 12 (46:51):
America is not a good guy on the global stage,
right Donald Trump likes to pretend like we used to
be the world's policeman.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
That's never been the case.
Speaker 12 (47:00):
America does what we're doing in Venezuela right now.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
We do that regularly. That's that's what we do in
the military.
Speaker 12 (47:09):
And I think a lot of people have a false
image of what America is. America is not so the
lone ranger on the global soul scale.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
America is a robber. We still so you agree, mesources.
Speaker 10 (47:23):
So what you're saying there agrees with the fact that
our military, with the generals doing what he wants, is
capable of upcoming in and going into the martial laws
position on his command.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, but that that.
Speaker 12 (47:41):
Who's the president though. That's that's who made the president.
That's where the buck stops. Okay, So we can't blame
the military or whatever. We need to play the black
admiral he resigned instead of committee that we're witnessing today.
Speaker 10 (47:56):
I don't think it is the president not blaving. That's
why I'm saying we need to impeach him because he
will say martial law. And now we are in a
position where there's a military who will say yes, sir,
without a doubt. And that's the concern now, whether we
(48:18):
worry about it, and I don't. I agree with the
mischieon worry isn't going to take us anywhere we need to.
We need to talk to our people every day, but
we need to talk to them with a goal in mind.
And the goal in mind, as far as I'm concerned,
is to take the person who is in charge, who
has led us down this primrose lane to war, to
(48:39):
misunderstanding about who we are and accepting the concept that
who we are is who he says we are. Meanwhile,
we're talking about taking care and taking over another country
while our country is in shambles economically, in education, wise,
in shamble in terms of us as a people getting along,
(49:03):
and if we are going to make the conversation, well
the conversation, and I'm leading to that, who do we
need to have the conversation with each other? I tried
to get to get someone on with us this morning
who I know is one hundred and eighty degrees away
from us, but he didn't quite want to show up.
We've got to talk.
Speaker 12 (49:22):
We've got to be able to convince we're not running
our country correctly. How are we going to take over
Vinis that.
Speaker 10 (49:29):
That question, that question that that question has no answer.
The answer that we're looking for has to go back
to what we said before about convincing our neighbors to
stand up and stop the President from continuing to direct
us in this misdirected way. And that means we need
to be talking to Republicans. We need to be talking
(49:50):
to I think that before.
Speaker 13 (49:52):
We even start to talk to Republicans, I think we
need to I think we need to talk to one
another because there is not a unified even on the
Democratic side. Well, there are so many different that's been
part of the problem.
Speaker 10 (50:05):
Well, as we look at the votes, if we look
at the votes in Congress, we can see that the
Democrats have been consistent both in the Senate and in
the in the legislature. And if we were talking today
about an impeachment that I do believe we would get
ninety percent of the Democrats, and that leaves us needing
(50:26):
about twenty five or thirty of the Republicans. In terms
of the House of Representatives, and as far as the
Senator is concerned, we probably need to convince maybe five
or six of senators to actually, you're.
Speaker 13 (50:40):
Saying that we need to start to speak to Republican citizens,
Republican votes, the Republican voters, and then start to speak
to the people they've allowed.
Speaker 10 (50:50):
Yes, yes, Marjorie Taylor Green, for instance, let's look at
how we don't.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Ask a questions.
Speaker 12 (50:56):
But I can have either one of you participated in
a million or no Kings marches this year. Yes, because
if you go to those marches, and and since you
say yes, mister Allen, you know that the energy is there.
There are people who are activated, and there are people
who are This year is going to be one hell
(51:18):
of an election.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I feel very.
Speaker 10 (51:22):
I feel very comfortable saying that we should talk to
Republican people about making the statement and making the issue
to their representatives, and that is our direction for change.
Speaker 13 (51:35):
But we need to encourage them to begin to make
a case for impeachment on their side, to push for
this even before.
Speaker 10 (51:43):
Absolutely and let me point out, let me point out
an attitude that we're operating with that extends this separation
and argument between the people Marjorie Taylor Green when she
changed her mind, we still want to slap her in
the face and talk about how she used to be.
(52:05):
When when the vice president was a no trumper and
changed his mind, Trump absorbed him, accepted him, and made
him his vice presidential candidate. We have to be able
to not be Old Testament Christians an eye for an eye,
tooth for a tooth, but New Testament Christians who are
(52:27):
able to forgive. If we want to have Republican people
look at our side and do it with some enthusiasm,
we're going to need to accept their past and more importantly,
accept them when they changed their mind and stop ridiculing them.
Can't make fun of them because they can't make fun
(52:49):
of them because they made bad choices. If it's just
like an alcoholic who changes his mind, we don't call them,
oh you, oh yeah, yeah, you're a drunkard. We talked
to them in terms of their future, saying.
Speaker 13 (53:00):
That people have been missing formed the same way, that.
Speaker 10 (53:03):
That's why we have the opportunity informed.
Speaker 13 (53:08):
And maybe even the guests that you were trying to
get to come on. Maybe we needed to let him
know listen, we're not here for an argument. We're actually
here for a conversation.
Speaker 10 (53:17):
I'm not throwing I'm not throwing him away. I just
pointed that out as an example, and so I let
you know that I am trying to speak to Republicans
and it's not going to be and it's not going
to be easy because we have set up a situation
where they expect an argument and a fight and to.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Listen, man, yeah, okay, I hear you.
Speaker 12 (53:38):
I disagree with the lot because you guys are trying
to reach out to Republicans and there's a very good
portion of the Republican Party that doesn't want to be
reached out to. I wanted you to touch them. They
don't want to change their mind.
Speaker 10 (53:50):
And you'll know those people when you talk to them,
and you'll get to move on to the next because
once again, we don't need one hundred percent, We just
need a small percentage.
Speaker 13 (53:59):
And this this is just one this is just one avenue.
Remember that if you're in the middle of a storm,
there are different things that you have to do when
the storm is coming. You have to protect your windows,
you have to put up your shutters. You also have
to go and you have to go stock up on
food you have to maybe depending on where you are,
if it's someone's prone to flooding, you may need to
(54:20):
set yourself up to take care of that. We are
all in this country. There are different communities. There are
different communities that have different cultural understandings and norms. There
are different ways to reach out to different people. There's
not going to be just one way to get this
done because there are too many different things that need
(54:41):
to be done in the meantime. So I get what
Dad is saying, and that's why I said, Okay, let
me try to figure out what you mean. I hear you.
I also know that there are people right here in
my community who are Republicans who would rather die than
admit that this man needs to go.
Speaker 12 (54:59):
Elson and Moro that we're not talking about. And I
think it's like twenty forty six, maybe twenty fifty four,
America is going to become a majority.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Country colors.
Speaker 12 (55:13):
Yeah, non people, colored people, white people are going to
become a minority in this country. And I think that
we would we are foolish not to recognize their fears
of that.
Speaker 10 (55:24):
I think we recognize that. I think I think the
movement back toward killing civil rights the idea that we
want to reduce immigrant immigration, and if we are going
to have immigration, they want to favor immigration from northern Europe.
I understand that. I think most people do that racism
(55:45):
and I started off with that racism is alive and
it's certainly going to have a bigger impact with the
idea that America is going to be a non white
nation in terms of population. But look at Texas. Texas
is already a non state. So is Florida, and so
and so is Louisiana. But their representation is that of
(56:07):
white men, who is definitely the minority.
Speaker 13 (56:10):
So well because also though in Florida, for example, and
this is why when people even.
Speaker 10 (56:15):
Talked about the last we got two minutes, we got
two minutes. Let me give you, let me get let
me yeah, our go as quick when you're having fun, Missy,
give you to take thirty seconds or more and conclude,
and Mack you do the same.
Speaker 13 (56:31):
Let Mac go first, because he's he's been wanting a moment.
I've deferred that.
Speaker 12 (56:36):
No, I'm good, But what I'm what I'm gonna say
is that we need to get out here and vote
this year. I think this is probably going to be
the most. This year is going to be the most important,
important voting year in American history.
Speaker 10 (56:55):
I agree.
Speaker 12 (56:56):
And everything we're talking about impeaching Donald Trump and stopping
this this wave of lawlessness and terror, we can stop
it at the voting booth. But you get a lot
of people who encourage voter apathy. My word is, we
cannot allow that to happen. We have to get out
(57:18):
there and vote. We have to do the other things
that you guys.
Speaker 10 (57:21):
Are suggesting for you most.
Speaker 12 (57:24):
We have to get these people. You have to vote
this year, well said, but you.
Speaker 13 (57:29):
Have to feel like feel like it matters. And I
think that's my thing is before we get to November,
what we do today matters, and so today we need
to begin to see one another. And if we're able
to see one another and acknowledge that we are all
going through something as a result of this administration. It
(57:51):
may not be health care for you. It may be
your rights as a woman, it may be you, it
may be education. But we are all dissatisfied about something.
And I think that the reason there's voter apathy is
because we get to a position where we feel like
no one is listening, no one cares what we think,
and as a mom, one of the things I've learned
(58:13):
is that if I can come into the conversation saying,
what is it that you need that you're not getting
and how can I help you get it, then that's
going to help us begin to get somewhere. So our
conversations today, right here, right now, January fourth, matter very
good one another and here one another.
Speaker 10 (58:35):
If I can have my turn now. It appears that
we should vote, we should educate ourselves on voting, and
we should talk to each other. And I think that
you're both right in that we have things in common
that we should try to bring to you as the
subject matter for us to introduce a reason to talk together.
(58:55):
And I think that coming together will possibly save us
from martial law, allow us to see past the fake
differences that are constantly be drawn between us and realize
that we are on the same team. And that part,
I think is very critical. We have people who who's
(59:19):
Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners were upset because of political differences
and not being able to set those things aside and
remember that we are family and we are on the
same team. Team. I love you. I appreciate the fact
that you're here. I appreciate the fact that you are
representing a strength and you are trying to bring that
(59:41):
strength out in your neighbor and I beg you to
continue to do that. And I look forward to twenty
twenty six, and I looked so forward to being able
to go to the polls and vote in November. So
hopefully that'll happen. God bless you enjoy the new year.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
I love it ahead you've.
Speaker 13 (01:00:01):
Got, give it all you got, and give guys room
to move.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
That's right, twit tweety said, pleats go mm hmm.
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