May 5, 2024 • 54 mins
Tori and Nate discuss the first two feature length films in the Disney Movie Era! They begin with the Golden Era and this is the first of two parts discussing these movies. Enjoy or leave your thoughts on these two films. Do they hold up or not?
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Damn it. I think technology isweird with me. I don't know what
it is. Welcome, ladies andgentlemen to another edition of the Game Changer
of podcast, the first official podcastback. We are back, ladies,
gentlemen. I'm your host, NathanEffing Great and with me is the lovely,
the incomparable, the very chartismatic ToryClark Toy. How you doing I'm
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doing good. I'm doing good.How are you? I'm doing pretty good
myself. We're starting with the Italianaccents. We're not offend anybody. We
just like Joey TRIBBIANI, what canwe say, just cheer for the friends.
Hah, I like it. Ilike it. We're starting off strong,
So, lazies, gentlemen, wedecided to do something that hasn't really
been talked about too much, butit feels like something we could definitely cover.
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And that's gonna be going through thedifferent eras of Disney and we're gonna
be starting off strong with the GoldenEra, specifically the first two movies that
came out, which were Snow Whitesand The Seven Dwarves and Pinocchio. Well,
obviously, us being as quote unquoteexperienced old fill in the blank,
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whatever you feel like you want toput here. We've actually grew up with
quite a few of these. Now, did we see these when they first
came out? No, I don'tthink we were even a thought process when
these movies first came out. Butthese definitely were movies that we had either
good memories about them, bad orjust no memories at all. So I
also wanted to talk about this becauseof the fact that there's actually some interesting
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notes, especially when it comes tothe first movie that was released from Disney
back in Let me get this notehere. Actually, this is where the
Crazy Price. They actually had tworelease dates, December twenty first, nineteen
thirty seven, at the Carthay CircleTheater, which I will look up the
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location for that. I'm sure that'seither still around or okay, it's in
LA And it was, and itwent demolished in nineteen sixteen. Well that's
just sad now, and can't golive. I can't go live from there.
No, No, okay, that'sreally sad. And it was released
to the United States general public inFebruary fourth of nineteen thirty eight. I
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had a budget of one point fivemillion dollars and made a box office of
four hundred and eighteen million dollars.So we're going to get into our general
thoughts about snow White in just aminute. One of the things that definitely
you wanted to talk about is howthis kind of all start because Disney beforehand
they really did a lot of theanimated shorts known as Silly Symphonies, and
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honestly, I've watched quite a fewof them, and some of them are
still pretty good. Some of themare kind of like what were they thinking
with this thing? But for themost part, they're memorable, they're colorful,
they're fun to listen to. Doyou remember any Silly Symphonies growing up?
I think Steamboat Willy is the onlyone I can think of, right,
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is that? What is that?What that is? I think that
was one of the earlier ones.Yeah, yeah, I think that's the
only one that I like with withMickey whistling down the river on a steamboat
and Shenana Giggs happen. But Ithink it's also part of one of the
New Disney like kind of graphics thatcome up at the beginnings, like oh
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yeah, and then like you seethem like kind of like driving the boat
and then it ends up like WaltDisney Pictures or something like. I don't
know if you recognize that from anyof like the probably like not new I
mean probably like from up or thingslike that, like back in that way.
Oh yeah, No, they havethe deal where they almost do like
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the weird try to figure out exactlyhow they put this, that that kind
of deal where they have like drawingson every page and when you go fast,
it just kind of makes the picturegoing. Yeah, I know,
yeah, yeah, like the oldanime. I think it's actually called Walt
Disney Pictures. I think it's DisneyAnimation. They call it because that is
like the that would be all ofthat is the beginning of animation. But
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yeah, I definitely remember remember seeingthem. So Walt decided to take a
chance and make an actual full lengthfeature film, and from what my research
was gathering was that it was betweenthree different movies. It was between Snow
White, Pinocchio, or Alice inWonderland, but with the Alice in Wonderland
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one, they were actually thinking aboutdoing it as a live action movie,
but unfortunately Paramount beat them to thepunch and they were saying like, yeah,
we're not giving you the rights tothis, so better luck next time.
So eventually they wound up with snowWhite and the Seven Dwarves, which
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some people might also think, well, why would Walt Disney do that?
Well, I'm actually gonna give youa quote from what Walt Disney had to
say as to why he picked thisout. This was when the first when
we was first coming out, andwhy he chose it. He said,
and I quote, I don't knowwhy I picked snow Whites. It's a
thing I remembered as a kid.I saw marjoritea I believe is the name
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Marjorie Clark in Kansas City one timewhen I was a newsboy. They had
a big showing for all the newsboys. I went and I saw snow White.
It was probably one of my firstbig feature pictures I'd ever seen.
That was back in nineteen sixteen orsomething somewhere way back. But anyways,
to me, I thought it wasthe perfect story. I had the sympathetic
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dwarves and things. I had theprince and the girl, the romance,
I had the heavy I just thoughtit was the perfect story. End quote.
And obviously some of these things arecoming from a bit of darker tales,
and one of the things that weknow is that Disney likes to kind
of flip up some of these darkertales. But in all honesty we go
into talking about the movie itself,it still has enough dark matters to really
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classified as one of those things whereit's like, wait, you allowed kids
to come and watch that. Forus, We're like, yeah, that's
what made us tough for really andnowadays it's just like, I don't know.
If I could expose my kids this, it's like, Oh, what's
the worst thing that's gonna happen,They'll probably went to bed. Maybe wait
till they're older just a little bit. Maybe maybe, Yeah, I don't
even. Yeah, the ratings systemsobviously were different back then than they are
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now. Because everything everything's different.You have to just but that was one
thing I think when we were firststarting to talk about Disney, I was
like, yeah, things they allowedback even only like twenty years ago compared
to now are like whoa, yeah, no, I think I remember us
talking like. I'll use this pertexample is that Tarzan Went first came out,
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it was just rated G and obviouslywith the dark stuff that we'll talk
about when we get to talk aboutthat, it's one of those things where
it's like, ah, nowadays,I think that would either be more of
a PG maybe PET thirteen kind ofdeal, because whoa for It is definitely
one of those movies that should notbe watched by kids alone, specially.
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Yeah, it can get kind ofdark. Dead Body is equal dark to
me, You got that right.So with snow White and Seven Dwarfs rewatching
it, it was one of thosethings where I could see so many people
nitpicking about some of the items areinvolved, Like obviously they're saying like,
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oh, snow White is of thisage, the princes of this age,
and that's something that will just continueto just haunt us for the rest of
our days. For me, Ijust watched this, I'm thinking, okay,
just think of it more as somebodywho's watching it for the first time
back in nineteen thirty eight. Andthe other thing that I kept thinking to
myself was, Okay, I alsowatch Game of Thrones. So some of
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these things are not exactly one ofthose things where it's like like you he
kind of deal because I'm thinking ofmyself, they don't label them with age
or anything like that, so we'rejust gonna leave That would be, but
also some of the things from Gameof Thrones, I'm like, okay,
this, I can honestly see themthis happening in that timeframe, but I'm
ranting on. So basic story isthat there's an evil queen who wants to
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be the fairest one of all andunfortunately comes to find out that even though
she basically sent her stepdaughter to bethis maiden, she grew to be a
beautiful maiden and according to the mirror, being the most fairest one of all.
And also side note here, Ijust wanted to say that I would
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have loved if there just came apoint where that mirror was just like,
can we talk about something else?I mean, every day it's the same
thing. Are you the fairest ofall? You fairest of all? Can
we just talk about the weather orsomething like that? I feel like,
come on, just give me somethingchallenging. I always think of like the
different wordplay like that they could haveon like the fairest, Like what does
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that even me? Like the fairestruler, the most righteous queen of all,
or snow white, the lightest skinof all, Like that is the
weird part. I actually do rememberthat the first thing that you're saying,
like, yo, like rose redlips, red as the rose skin,
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white as snow. I'm like,wow, this writing actually went through.
This is so basically we're saying sayingand I'm not trying to disrespect him,
but he's like basically we're saying,she's goth apparently, but she's a vampire.
Oh, this whole thing is justrigged. It's always been about vampires.
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Nobody knew You're welcome podcast over thesnow White's a vampire. Oh my
gosh. If that was a twistfor a snow White movie, that would
just be amazing. Melody thout it. It wouldn't be bad, it wouldn't
be bad. Hey, something newDisney just saying. So she meets the
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Prince for the first time. TheQueen wants to have her killed off.
Snow White runs into the forest,meets some runs across the cottage that is
owned by seven dwarfs, seven miners. They meet up and I almost said
the snow Queen, I'm like,no, this is the wrong movie.
The Queen finds out that snow Whiteis alive, plans on killing her herself,
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but through a disguise, and shedoes through a poison apple, and
in the end it's true love's kissthat wins the day, wins the day
and happy endings everything like that.So it's a very simple story that in
all honesty watching it back, I'mlike, this movie still holds up as
a pretty good movie. And thereare so many moments where I'm either just
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kind of like, okay, songsare still really good. I'm not getting
annoyed by anybody. There is notany kind of like oh man, that
like an eye rolled kind of momentor just a face palm like gosh,
why why is this even happening.It's just a simple story that people can
just sit back and kind of enjoyin all honesty. But that's kind of
like the general first impressions when itcomes to the movie. So what were
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your thoughts when it comes to SnowWhite. I mean, I know you
mentioned that it's not one of thosehierarchies deal, but you have to admit
that there has to be something therethat really may kind of still stand out
as one of the best honestly,I mean for the first ever like Disney
kind of like main animation and mainfeature film. I think it's definitely held
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up over a times. It's agreat movie, just wasn't my personal favorite
in general. I think it hadsomething to do with her voice. And
that's something I think people will commitcommonly talk about, is that Disney the
voices of the princess through the times, and how the voices changed, like
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frequency wise, like white, verylight, soft, high, as high
as it can be, snow White'svoice as high as possible, which is,
you know, reflecting the time andwhat was comfortable at the time was
like women had the high soft,very feminine, never growing against the grain.
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Everything needed to be agreed upon,oh like very like lyrically almost like
that, and like even when shetalks to animals and everything, like it's
just one of those things that you'relike, interesting that this is how she
sounded and this is what they wantedto portray the first ever princess, like
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was very floral, light, asfeminine as possible, and voices of the
princesses get deeper and deeper for whenthey come back to more of a typical
speak that we have now, LikeI don't change my voice ever, like
I mean, some people, youknow, phone voice like hi. But
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but there's a there's something to besaid on just like how old the film
is, and where like I didn'tenjoy how high her voice was. No,
I think that's fair, and Ithink that's gonna also come into play
when we talk about Pinocchio for uhfor me, But we'll get to that
in a bit. Another thing Ireally like about this movie is that I
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feel like everybody's pretty developed in thismovie. And I mean that in the
sense of they're not just you know, person a person B person. See
it's just like you know, snowWhite. She's obviously a princess who has
you know, great voice. She'skind of naive, but at the same
time she can be stern at certainpoints. You have the each of them.
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Of course, they have their ownpersonalities. I mean it's in their
names. If you haven't figured outwhat their personalities are by their names,
then you probably need to rewatch themovie again, which I have no issue
with. The Queen has her ownpersonality. Honestly, I even look back
and I thought to myself, Man, even the Huntsman has a really good
personality. Even though he has likefive lines in the entire movie. He
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literally goes from just you know,being loyal to thinking like I don't know
if I want to do this togo into like regret. He has like
a range of emotions in those fivelines, and it's pretty good. Probably
the only one that suffers the mostfrom it is the Prince because he only
gets maybe ut most three lines andone song. But that's about it.
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So to your to your point,they definitely focus a lot more on the
women in this movie, which ispretty awesome to have that kind of deal
where it's like, you know,oh, well, it's all about the
seven doors. I guarantee you thatabout out seventy five percent of this movie
deals more with snow White and theQueen than the Dwarfs themselves. The dwarves
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they get their camera time, nodenying that, but the women definitely get
more of a screen time when itcomes to that. And the fact that
I had to look this up thatthe woman who played the Queen also voiced
the peddler the witch when she madethe transformation, I was really like,
man, that's a really good voicerange to have that to go from being
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a very soft but stern and veryvindicative voice to this just crazy, out
of control, kind of just maniacal, old old woman who just goes out
perfect disguise. I'm like, holyshit, this is good. This is
a good mill and I don't carewhat anyone says. This is a good
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voice actress. She she knew themission when she came in. Oh yeah,
yeah, that's it's it's cool toknow that she played both voices.
But also great, you should youshould be able to like that that,
Like, if you're that's my character, I'd want to do all the voices
for it too. So as faras other things that we liked about this
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movie, I'll definitely say this thatthe scene where they have the where they're
about to eat upper and She andsnow White Tells tells them to go wash
and they show they show their handsto her. It's just so funny seeing
how everybody has their own kind ofdeals, like doctor shows his hands,
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sleep Sleepy and Bashel they're just kindof showing their hands. Happy actually tries
to like rub his hands on hisside to clean it up, probably making
it more worse than anything. Andof course there's Dopey who just literally just
goes, here are my hands nowthey're covered up? So cute. I
actually I remember that scene too.I I like kind of how the the
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seven doors are like emotions of somesort, so it's like little like children
like emotion like they all have.So you get to see how she handles
all those personalities. But yeah,I think it's it's really funny to watch
them all have filthy hands and howthey how they decided to live, and
how she's it's another kind of amasculine feminine thing. There were children,
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but very masculine children of this iswe work, we do this, and
we do this. And then she'slike, what if we cleaned and make
it nice? And then I couldgive a meal for it, and they're
like, whoa, this is kindof nice. It is kind of one
of those realistic things when it comesto movies where these guys they have their
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own status quo where it's just kindof your point A, point B,
point C. Now, obviously withsnow White being here, it's like point
A, but there's also a branchthat goes in a different direction for point
B, and I think it alsogoes out saying. One of the best
scenes and there is when they firstsee the house and they're just like,
so clean, the floors clean,the cobwebs are gone. Then mund you
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do the cob webs, like,are you kidding me? You're gonna talk
You're gonna talk about that among everythingelse. It's I think Bashful even had
a moment where he was just like, my cop is clean, sugar is
gone. Yes, Like it's thethat they had was like, how dare
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she intrude or somebody intruded on us? And all of our mess, the
mess that we put there, thatwe meant to put there, And it's
just there's a lot of different mindfulthings you can think about that of like,
oh, yes, they choose tolive like this, we choose it.
How dare she remove our spiders?Right? Sure, they were bothering
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us, but there was a reasonwhy we had them there. It's we
could have done it, we chosenot to. It's intruding, but it
obviously does also go that they're alsonot used to having you know, women
around, so with them getting thisattention from this woman, it's been really
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it's been really nice for them.And I will also say this that one
of the things I would love tosee in the live action one, and
this is more likely not going tohappen because we've seen a lot of them
become you know, cookie cutouts ofbasically what the original was, but just
live action. One thing I wouldkind of love to see is that one
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thing they do really well in thismovie is the relationship between snow Whites and
Grumpy, because right off the bat, he is literally just like women,
they don't deserve to be She doesn'tdeserve to be here. Oh, let
her get out of here. Shedoesn't need to be here. And then
by the end of it, heis one of the most emotional about the
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fact that she is gone, heis dead, and you see little touches
where he's starting to like warm upto her. And it starts with that
following morning where she's doing the wholelike, you know, kissing everybody on
the forehead, saying y'all see itto night, and he takes off his
head and he kind of shines hisown head just to make sure that it's
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fine. And then of course he'sjust playing off like now I warn you,
don't let nobody in ouse it.Yeah, and of course he gets
the peck on the head and that'swhere he just goes to be a grumpy
to just have him that small weaksmile of just being like that felt nice.
So what I'm getting at is thatI would much rather see snow Whites
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end up with Grumpy at the endof the movie instead of the Prince,
which is a huge gamble, Iknow. But at the same time,
if they played it off the waythat they did in this movie, where
they kind of built that relationship up, I think they could somehow do it.
I mean, it's almost like goinginto the direction of Prosen. You
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think, like, oh, well, Anna's going to end up with Hans.
In the end, she ends upwith Christa. They can do it.
They can do it do I havefaith in them. But they do
it right, not exactly. Imean, the last movie did not really
give me that much confidence. Butit's one of those things with like they've
done it in the past, theycan do something different with it. It
would just be an interesting idea.But I've been drawing on it on so
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no, no, no, thatwould be very interesting. So there's no
Prince instead, like she's just ina reverse Harrem of seven seven Dwarfs are
all up for grams for her.I'm down. I've watched Horrm like reverse
Horrm anime is like no other.It's one of my favorites. So it
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would almost be like a medieval versionof like The Bachelor, where she's just
having moments with these seven men andthen it's almost like this final rose ceremony
where they were just final apple ceremony. Were you trying to poison me?
No, just giving you an apple? Oh okay, that would be funny
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though. It would definitely it woulddefinitely switch it up, and it would
give some good, good tension inchemistry, like I always love you know,
like a grumpy I don't want anythingto do with you into the Oh
no, she warmed my heart.Like I said, It's just one of
those relationships where is it one thatsome people are going to get behind at
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first? Probably not, but youtell good storytelling and you give these characters
a good you know, you know, give them good qualities. I mean
obviously some people are gonna say,like, well, it's no way,
just kind of flawed. And it'slike I can see where somebody could say
that. I think the scene whereshe's where she's doing the prayer at the
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bed, where she says, youknow, please make a grumpy like me.
It's one of those things like oh, come on, you shouldn't have
to care about that. You gotsix other guys that like you. Why
are you so concerned about this oneguy? Eventually he's going to like you.
Just come on right right, likenot everybody has to like you,
come on like something such a peoplePlease or snow White. But can't help
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it needs to be loved by everybody. Jeezu, don't mind know it?
I love to be loved by everybody? Are you kidding? Mean? But
perfection isn't It just doesn't work.Doesn't work, It doesn't work out that
way. So so final thoughts.When it comes to snow White, it's
still, like I said, amovie that still holds up. It does
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have the creepy imagery like the GrimBrothers would probably want them to want it
to have, has a very easystory to follow once you get past like
all of the like And honestly,that's the thing about is that this movie
has flaws, but they're like reallyreally tiny. There's not one where I'm
just like that is a whole horribleflash, just like these things are just
they're small. They're not that biga deal to me. Yeah, no,
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I I think overall it's a greata great classic Disney they mean the
way they were able to restore itvocally or sound wise, sound scape,
it, whatever you want to callit, I think is incredible and just
really cool that they have the technologyto show something that is over I mean
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over like almost eighty five ninety yearsold now like, oh my gosh,
super old. It is super old. It is amazing. It is amazing.
Really thinking about that, it's likewe're harping about a mood that's almost
years old. It is crazy,but it is one of those things where
it shows that, hey, sometimesyou just need a really good story with
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really good characters and that will helpstand the test of time. Which is
an interesting segue consider we're talking nowabout Pinocchio, the second feature length film
that Disney came out with, andwho I'm gonna say this Rewatching this movie,
I was just kind of like,wow, this this has its moments
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where it's good. But okay,let me put it in perspective, ladies
and gentlemen that back then, thiswas one of those movies that obviously a
lot of people really enjoyed. Imean, going to the statistics right here,
we have that they it came outat the Center Theater in February seventh,
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nineteen forty and about looks like twoweeks later. Yep, two weeks
later is when they released it tothe general public budget of two point six
million dollars box office of one hundredand sixty four million dollars. So this
is another movie that hits up andrights and people wanted to see this movie,
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you know, and I can understandwhy. It's a really another simple
story about how an old man Jeppetto, he just wants to have, you
know, he wants to kind ofhave the head this fulfillment in his life,
and he believes that this little littlemarionette puppet shit would come to life
and be a real boy eventually,and Blue Ferry comes in gives the puppet
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life and basically the puppet has tofind I think I'm trying to remember that
it was a brave, truthful,unselfish and then he becomes a real boy.
So it's kind of one of thosethings where it's like, well,
Geppetto started this wish, now thepuppet has to kind of finish the wish,
which already in and of itself.It makes me kind of scratch my
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head, but it's one of thosethings that, again not trying to think
too hard on it, at leastnot the start. The little Boy goes
this little puppet goes on an event. Matures is coursed by temptations to be
an actor and also temptations to goto a temptatious island known as Pleasure Island,
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and in the end has to savehis father from a whale, which
again I'm gonna get to that ultimatelyfinds a way to become a real boy.
So I will say this, Ithink I remember watching this quite a
bit as a kid. For me, as an adult rewatching this, I
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think I think it trails back towhat you were saying about how with how
snow white her voice can kind ofget a little annoying at times. This
is probably the snow white for mebecause there are so many times where I'm
just hearing Pinocchio talk about Charlie GeeWillikers, I'm gonna be a real boy,
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hearing the high screaky boys, ohboy go to Chandler Mock and saying,
look, Chepeto, I'm a reallive boy. Once it was a
little boy, a little wooden boy, like I'm not sure I watched that
version, and they did have alive action too, like even back in
the day too, Like in thenineties or something crazy. Yeah, they
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have cheese. They had a lotof stuff for Pinocchio. I think in
one year they had like three differentinterpretations of Pinocchio, one by Disney,
the other two by random Deals.Actually one I think I remember watching with
Shanta Celeste we watched the I thinkthe really, I think we watched the
Gueromo Montoyo Oneiro. Yeah. Ohyeah, like he's probably probably looked evil.
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I wouldn't. I don't know whatto tell you, because honestly,
I don't have any memories of thatmovie. It's like wow. So I
think that Pinocchio is one of thosestories where it's kind of all the same
and there's not much you can reallyadd on to it. Really, I
think that's really how I can putit, as like Pinocchio as a whole,
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this version here it's the black Bear. But at the same time,
it's not saying much in my opinion, I mean, I guess it's I
guess right. Everybody has their ownperspective. The Pinocchio story is like the
typical young hero story to me isthis hero wishes to be something of himself,
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almost like every Disney movie does this. Like it's like the hero's journey,
something has to initially happen to them, and for him, he is
born as a puppet like which islike a lot of times in the Disney
stories it's their father dies, theirmom dies, oh, their orphan or
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for that. So he is like, I'm not even real, but you
know again, perspective wise, youcould see that. And his journey is
to become a man slash boy,you know, whatever you want to say
it. And in order to dothat he needs these value systems to prove
that you're a true person, likeyou can be real, And throughout his
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journey he goes to seek this andgets thrown into these random tests where he
just proves that he already had itto begin with, and then boom,
everything is fine. And I thinkthat's that's the cute story of Pinocchio,
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is that you go to find greenergrass to realize you've always had it yourself
or something like it was in youthe whole time, which you know has
so much truth behind it. Andthat's that's an interesting statement within itself,
is that what you're looking for isalways truthfully in you. You just have
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to discover a perspective of seeing it. And I think that's what the Pinocchio
story is all about. But it'salso one of those wacky adventures that like
I don't, like I haven't seenPinocchio in so long, but I know,
like every everything I know about Pinocchiois if he tells a lie,
his nose will grow. So it'sa very obvious, like you can't tell
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a lie, Like a lot ofstrong moral values are written within Pinocchio,
and like you know, eat thewhale eating you and stuff and that whole
you know, there's just so muchstuff that like is just a very like
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flagship of what Pinocchio is to peopleis like, oh, like when whales
eat people, Like, oh,it's never been done that before, all
right, Pinocchio. Like even Iwatched Finding Email and I'm like, oh,
here comes the whale part. Justlike Pinocchio. It's just one of
those things that like it's very notoriable, like you know, like Pinocchio,
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but like you don't like I don'tremember it, like Jimminy Cricket, like
you're conscious, like I'm your consciouseven like g even that is like such
a like a like his story isjust in his It could be just in
his mind of an actual real boywho has a dream that he was a
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puppet and he has to figure allthis stuff out, and you know,
there's just so much stuff that Isee that it is very good, like
morally, and if you're an adult, you get it. And I think
that's kind of the main point aboutDisney that we like in general. It
is like you can get it differentlyas an ad all, but you don't
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have to, and you also don'thave to like it's not very entertaining.
Sometimes it was more entertaining as akid, Like I remember there was like
a wolf or something in it atone point. I mean, I couldn't
tell you all the characters, likeI couldn't. Oh I could because I
recently just watched it, Like Isaid, yeah, so yeah, I
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will. I will say that Ithink Jimney Crickett has his moments, but
there are definitely a lot of momentswhere he's kind of one of those characters
where it's like, okay, okay, maybe we could see a little less
of you that at the same timethey do give him a little less But
yeah, you mentioned the like theside characters. Honestly, those are kind
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of like my favorite parts of themovie are a fox and a cat,
Honest John and we who helped whoassist Pinocchio into the direction of temptation.
And it's one of those weird thingswhere I look back at this and I
think to myself, honestly, Iwould love a spin off with Honest John
and Gideon like how they came tobe, how they came to be,
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where they have such little screen timeagain, but they make that kind of
impact where it's like, I kindof want to know more, because there
comes to a point where at firstthey're just like, oh, we're gonna
sell Pinocchio to Tromboli, and thenthey make this deal with the Coachman to
bring naughty boys to Pleasure Island,and there's a point where Honest John's even
just like, I don't know howI feel about this, and he's intimidated
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by the Coachman, who honestly isthe true villain of this movie. Oh
my, that that point where hesays they don't come back as bollyes and
he just has this devilish look onhis face. I'm just like, oh,
yeah, he's the true villain.Trumbulli was definitely the minor villain.
He's the lead villain in this entirething creepy, Oh god, creepy.
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That that is also Strumbullly and coachin a nutshell. Strum Bulley is just
like, oh, you're going tomake could be a big time money.
Oh hey, we started with anItalian accent. There we go, Now
we got it comes full circle Geppettoand Pinocchio that obviously it had to be
an Italian accent. So you're goingto make me big money and then when
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you can't, you will be Firewood. And he just throws an accent at
a puppet. I'm like, well, that's a little grim for a kid's
movie. Somewhat kids movie, Iguess. And then of course with the
Coachman where he basically takes these kidsto Pleasure Island and they become donkeys.
Even there also also can we saythe fact that this kind of amazing that
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a G rated movie has the wordjackass in It's right, but but but
and all you know, it wasn'ta swear. It was like that's what
that is. But like I getthat it's a swear to us, and
like nowadays, but even all thoseit's all like you know, play on
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like adulthood if you catch the driftof what they were saying, like yeah,
like I mean like he's like sayinglike if you don't make money,
you're worthless. And like this isif you just become one of the herd,
just become one of the herd,just become a donkey, just be
an ass and like you'll fit infine. And it's like, ah,
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like it doesn't work, it doesn'twork. Be your own man, Pinocchio
become a true boy. Yeah,it's just really crazy thinking about how I
think that we had like a bitof a lighter dark tone in snow Whites.
Pinocchio does not pull back. Imean you literally have the whole deal,
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like I said, where a puppetliterally gets acted in a show and
then you see a kid turning intoa donkey during this and probably one of
the most terrifying visuals I've honestly everseen. You look back at that,
I think to myself, Jesus,this is really dark. And this is
also which makes this absolutely amazing.But and it was a bad kid,
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right, yeah, it was alamp Wick. Yeah, which was like,
yeah, like he's like not agood kid. He's always kind of
been a bully to Pinocchio into theother kids. Again. Remember I haven't
seen it for a second, soI could be wrong, and then like
you watch him like get punished andlike hah, like this is what we
do to those who like you're goingto be next, Like this is what
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true boy is, Like turn intothis and you're like, oh, I
guess, no, don't go toPleasure Island, which is also a very
I find very funny for the namein the sense of like you can't have
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too much good in your life oryou become an ass like you're like what,
Oh, that's that's really good anddeep. I like that, you
know, like what because yeah?It because yeah, I mean some of
the things that they had in therewas like a smashing glass or smoking cigarettes
and drinking I guess, but Idon't know if it was beer, if
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it was just like probably poison.But it's that means like liquor probably ah,
gotcha, gotcha? Most likely becauseagain the like in the forties,
there were I mean the forties,I think that you could drink again.
But you know, you're learning lessons, you're trying to learn life lessons.
Here Nate learned the life lessons.Yes, I believe that there came a
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point where Pinocchio is just like,gotta learn to be a real boy.
It'd be a good boy, Ain'tthat right, Nate? He just looks
directly at me. I'm like,ah, it's breaking the fourth wall.
I'm scared. I really liked theDeadpool. Thank you, you're not Ryan
Reynolds. Please stop looking at me. There's dead lifeless eyes. Oh god,
yeah, yeah, I couldn't.I couldn't watch a live action of
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Pinocchio now that they would try tolike the like Coraline or something with button
eyes. Oh, I definitely seethat being a problem. I think.
So. The other thing that waskind of an interesting thing was the whole
deal with the whale, where it'slike, Okay, first of all,
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how did jeppetto end up in thewhale? And how is this way?
I will say that this whale definitelyhad quite the Honestly, before we had
Jaws. Monstro was definitely the onething where we're just like, I don't
know if I want to swim inthe ocean because if there's something like that
living in there, that's that's crazy. And the crazy thing about Disney is
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that sometimes you don't need an explanationas to why things happen, like why
is this whale continuing to you huntdown Geppetto and Pinocchio. It's like,
well, now it's out of yoursystem, you don't have to worry about
No, I must still need it. Why though? Because fair enough,
Disney? Fair enough? Fair enough? Yeah, I wonder what the because
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again I'm not as familiar with Pinocchio, but I wonder what the lesson is
there? Like what what does thewhale represent in Pinocchio? I don't remember,
I can't recall, but it mustrepresent some sort of life lesson and
the fact that they have to faceit together, like that challenge together is
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yeah, you know, maybe thatwas just not one that had a lesson
behind it. Maybe it was justone where it was just like, we
need to end this on a coolnote, giant whale. Cool, So
we just have this going after Whydoes the whale chase them? No reason?
Fair enough? Make make make theway nice and creepy. I think
we can do that. We'll makea big perfect perfect, make it big,
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make it a big bud like weneeded, like a big monster.
You know what, Well, wecan call it monster, but let's let's
make it more menacing month mons monthsMonstro true Monstroe. There we go.
Mon You know it sounds Italian,so it makes sense, bro. Yeah,
I mean it is an Italian basedfilm and not film but story so
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months trough. So I think theother critique I kind of have with this
movie is that when Geppetto and Pinocchioreunite, I kind of feel like Geepetto
is a little bit too nice toPinocchio. I get it, it's supposed
to be one of those things whereyou know, he's a loving father and
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stuff like that. But at thesame time, there could have been a
moment where you know, Pinocchio,you know, it's you know, I've
done so much wrong, Dad,I did not mean to worry you.
I'm sorry, that kind of deal. We never really get that moment.
It's just kind of those things wherePinocchio he kind of starts going in that
direction and then are like, oh, it doesn't matter, you're you're here
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by little boy, and I'm justlike, let him apologize, don't do
don't do this to him because thenhe's gonna be because then he's gonna end
up a pleasure island as a jackass. Don't do it. But yeah,
that's another nitpick. Yeah, soI wanted to just really quick, like
since I couldn't get my thought processwrapped around what the whale is. They
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say that the whale would represent God'slove and forgiveness because that's what happens.
Geppetto gets swallowed up by it whenhe's out looking for Pinocchio, and Pinocchio
went out looking to you know,make his father happy, you know type
of thing like I want to bea real boy because dad always wanted a
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real boy. And this is blahblah blah. And so that's just kind
of interesting. And they talk aboutlike how the first which is hilarious.
I wouldn't know this, but otherpeople might know that the first big whale
story was Jonah getting swallowed by awhale in the Bible. So that is
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kind of like the significance of thewhale in Pinocchio is like the love and
forgiveness and love and like you're goingout on a limb to try to find
somebody you love and you get swallowedby a whale. Way to go.
But the real thing, the realthing there is like you're again, you're
seeking something that you always had andlike, and so I think that's cute
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that what you just said of theforget, Like he's trying to like say
sorry and be like, sorry,Dad, that I did all this,
and he's like, you know,you don't have to be I've always had
you the way you are, andyou know, really good love story in
the end of it of a fatherand a son. But again they had
to make some sort of twist forus to all be interested in. The
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twist is he was a puppet andall of a sudden, the Blue Fairy
comes back and grants the wish righta happy ending and we get the you
know, the beautiful song of allsongs of Disney is when you Wish upon
a Star, And that's been redoneand redone and redone and even the new
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movie that we both talked about,the Wish movie that came out for the
one hundred year celebration movie complete crapsong, wish song, just the wish.
The real song is decent, decentenough for me to listen and be
like, oh, I wish thatsong was kind of more just it and
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I could relish the fact that Disney'sone hundred years had a good thing happened
to it, but they also havethey also have the audacity to have an
end credit scene where the where wherethe grandfather is playing on his guitar,
the when you ish a panist.I'm like, come on, you're gonna
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make people wait for that, Iknow. But you know, the funny
thing is it could have been ayeah, they had a I don't know
what that was. In all honesty, the movie Wish is awful go to
pulling. Yeah, they were pullingfrom Pinocchio and stuff from this like that.
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That's one of the biggest pivotal thingsin Disney is having the like feeling
as though your dreams and wishes cancome true, and then the Panocchio is
the prime start of that, whichis really pretty and cool. Yeah,
I could see that. So honestly, with everything you've said, I definitely
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do have a respect for like themorals and the message that they're trying to
get across from that movie. However, I will still say that there's still
quite a bit of issues that Ihave there where it's like from Snow White,
I feel like this was a bitof a step down. So I'm
going to tell you guys this thatI'm actually gonna be doing kind of like
this ranking system kind of deal towhere I will have you know, these
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movies that we talk about kind ofranked. At the end, I'll probably
reveal what I think are the topten that we talk about here. So
right now, snow White is stillat the top. Pinocchio is definitely is
second. But I definitely do,like I said my co host, given
that kind of more you know,deeper deal to it. It's like,
Okay, I can get that,I can get behind that. I just
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wish that some of these characters werenot as uh, I don't want to
say unlikable, but just not asI guess as bland as I kind of
thought that they would be. Yeah, it's really like one of those things
that it's hard to watch. ThingI don't like. When you were told
me you were watching Pinocchio again,I was like, whoa, I don't
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think I have gotten zero. Isn'tthere even Oh my gosh, now that
I think about it, didn't tellme Hanks do some sort of Pinocchio.
He's in the live action remake.Oh my goodness, there's so many different
Like I was thinking of the ninetieslive action and like, oh no,
they redid it. Even remember likethey had like a Jonathan Taylor Thomas was
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in there, yes, with ahat and stuff like yeah, crazy crazy
sorry, I was like yeah.And then we also got your petal with
Drew carry Oh my gosh, socrazy. All that is so so crazy.
They have tried really hard on Pinocchio. Same with Peter Pan too,
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though that's one of them. Ifeel like they've redone every like six years.
They're like, we could try thatagain, why not do it different?
Troup dish, Yeah, oh Igot one more so. They also
did a Pinocchio with Polly Shore asPinocchio. What that face just told me
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what I need to YEA, notseeing that that'll just be that's even creepier.
Well, you don't like the guyfrom Goofy movie where he was just
eating all that cheese. You don'tthink that he could be a great Pinocchio.
It's weird. I I don't whatare we going to learn from this
man that cheese is good? Andeven though he's not from Wisconsin, I'm
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pretty sure he just loves cheese.I think it's all we need. So
we need is as long as helikes cheese, we're down. We're down
for it. Yeah. But Iagree with you. I don't. I
wouldn't say that. I think thesemovies have a place in history, and
that's why we're talking about them.But in general, I mean, I
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wouldn't. I would sit in myown kids down with them and be like,
you're gonna love this movie, likethey're they're not so whoops, so
so snow white. I think willbe one that I would definitely show my
kids. Pinocchio, No, no, I think I think it's one of
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those things like you know, whenyou're grown up and you feel like you're
ready go watch Pinocchio, But Idon't think if you want. I think
that was actually gonna be the lasttime I've ever I ever seen Pinocchio,
because Jesus, that was a tripand a half. Like I said,
I am not looking forward to whenwe have to watch the live action one
because I remember that being somehow worse. But we'll get to that one.
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We'll get to. I don't know, I don't. I don't think I've
ever seen that movie. Well,we'll get to. We'll cross that bridge
when we get to it. Butso yeah, like she said, in
general, these two movies are definitelyjust amazing place holders that started the Golden
Age, and on the next episode, we're gonna be talking about the final
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three notes notable, noticeable, notablethere, that's the word. Uh,
the three notable ones which are goingto conclude the Golden Age, which are
going to be Fantasia Jesus, Iguess my body is rejecting it now,
Fantasia, Dumbo and Bamby, towhich I'm gonna be like, Okay,
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this is going to be an interestingtrip. I mean, I've watched Fantasia
plenty of times, and honestly,I got a lot to say about that
movie. Dumbo and Bambi. It'sactually been a while since I've seen these
two movies, so kind of interestingto see how they kind of hold up
for pretty dark man, it's Jessgets darker that that is also true,
(50:52):
but also trippy. Are we arewe going to be taking drugs before we
watch these movies? Do I haveto watch them sober? We'll considering the
fact that I have a town calledMerrill, which is basically like drug city,
and we've both been to Rockford,which we have friends of Rockford.
(51:14):
We can make the joke and theycan also have a laugh about this because
Rockford is is I wouldn't say it'slike the Chernobyl of Illinois, but definitely
as one of those places where it'slike, wow, how does this place
still exist? You just called itthe Chyl. That's that was fucking funny
(51:37):
only here on the game Tach yourpodcast. Can you hear about me to
bring a Chernobyl joke into a podcast? I didn't. I didn't suck it.
I know you didn't. You're justhere for the ride, and she's
just like, I'm I'm just gonnaget off the roller. Thumbs up,
all smiles and thumbs up. Guys, We are back and this already is
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turning out to be one of themost bizarre but also one of the most
fun episodes I've done in podcasting ina while. So you could expect more
in the future. Like I said, we're going through the eras of Disney.
We're gonna get trippy, we're gonnaget crazy. It's gonna be a
wild time. So raise yourselves in. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.
(52:22):
Keep all hands and feet inside thevehicle at all times, unless you're in
the Bear Jamboree, then you canjust be like, hey, you're talking
bear. Just love it. Ilove it. So we're gonna wrap up
this edition of the GCP. Thankyou guys for listening in. You can
always follow me on the Twitter andthe Instagram at real fn Game. Sure
(52:43):
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Radio where I talk wrestling TNA alsoindependent wrestling. I've started doing that this
week and it's absolutely great telling thestories that I can and be also sure
to check out every single thing thatwe post up on social media. It's
always a lot of fun. Tory. Where can they find you if they
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would like to just see what you'reup to? Yeah, I gotta post
because I went to Coachella and Ihaven't posted about it, dare you?
I know? I know, Ihad such a fun time speaking of trips,
right Like, No, you canfind me on Instagram. It's boss
Mode, Tory Clark Underscore boss Mode. There you go. I know my
(53:30):
handle, I know this, butyeah, the Instagram is kind of just
where you'll find me right now,but it's where I should be posting stuff.
It should be and honestly, guys, one of the funniest things that
I'll tell you right now, it'sreally funny seeing Tory on her screen.
(53:51):
Her hand keeps waving around. Italmost looks like there just comes a point
where she looks like she's just flippingme because the hand just goes blurry.
I'm like, I feel like Ihave to not move. I feel like
not moving causes the blur effect.There I go, Nay, stop talking
about Pinocchio. No more Pinocchio,no more pistachio. Okay, pistachio.
(54:13):
We can talk about just Pinocchio.Pistachios. We like pistachios. They're okay
from the pistatio lovers here at theGCP. Thank you guys so much for
listening in. Have a good one. We'll see you next time. We're
including the Golden Age. Then we'regoing on from there. Wait
Damn it. I think technology isweird with me. I don't know what
it is. Welcome, ladies andgentlemen to another edition of the Game Changer
of podcast, the first official podcastback. We are back, ladies,
gentlemen. I'm your host, NathanEffing Great and with me is the lovely,
the incomparable, the very chartismatic ToryClark Toy. How you doing I'm
(00:23):
doing good. I'm doing good.How are you? I'm doing pretty good
myself. We're starting with the Italianaccents. We're not offend anybody. We
just like Joey TRIBBIANI, what canwe say, just cheer for the friends.
Hah, I like it. Ilike it. We're starting off strong,
So, lazies, gentlemen, wedecided to do something that hasn't really
been talked about too much, butit feels like something we could definitely cover.
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And that's gonna be going through thedifferent eras of Disney and we're gonna
be starting off strong with the GoldenEra, specifically the first two movies that
came out, which were Snow Whitesand The Seven Dwarves and Pinocchio. Well,
obviously, us being as quote unquoteexperienced old fill in the blank,
(01:07):
whatever you feel like you want toput here. We've actually grew up with
quite a few of these. Now, did we see these when they first
came out? No, I don'tthink we were even a thought process when
these movies first came out. Butthese definitely were movies that we had either
good memories about them, bad orjust no memories at all. So I
also wanted to talk about this becauseof the fact that there's actually some interesting
(01:30):
notes, especially when it comes tothe first movie that was released from Disney
back in Let me get this notehere. Actually, this is where the
Crazy Price. They actually had tworelease dates, December twenty first, nineteen
thirty seven, at the Carthay CircleTheater, which I will look up the
(01:51):
location for that. I'm sure that'seither still around or okay, it's in
LA And it was, and itwent demolished in nineteen sixteen. Well that's
just sad now, and can't golive. I can't go live from there.
No, No, okay, that'sreally sad. And it was released
to the United States general public inFebruary fourth of nineteen thirty eight. I
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had a budget of one point fivemillion dollars and made a box office of
four hundred and eighteen million dollars.So we're going to get into our general
thoughts about snow White in just aminute. One of the things that definitely
you wanted to talk about is howthis kind of all start because Disney beforehand
they really did a lot of theanimated shorts known as Silly Symphonies, and
(02:38):
honestly, I've watched quite a fewof them, and some of them are
still pretty good. Some of themare kind of like what were they thinking
with this thing? But for themost part, they're memorable, they're colorful,
they're fun to listen to. Doyou remember any Silly Symphonies growing up?
I think Steamboat Willy is the onlyone I can think of, right,
(03:00):
is that? What is that?What that is? I think that
was one of the earlier ones.Yeah, yeah, I think that's the
only one that I like with withMickey whistling down the river on a steamboat
and Shenana Giggs happen. But Ithink it's also part of one of the
New Disney like kind of graphics thatcome up at the beginnings, like oh
(03:25):
yeah, and then like you seethem like kind of like driving the boat
and then it ends up like WaltDisney Pictures or something like. I don't
know if you recognize that from anyof like the probably like not new I
mean probably like from up or thingslike that, like back in that way.
Oh yeah, No, they havethe deal where they almost do like
(03:46):
the weird try to figure out exactlyhow they put this, that that kind
of deal where they have like drawingson every page and when you go fast,
it just kind of makes the picturegoing. Yeah, I know,
yeah, yeah, like the oldanime. I think it's actually called Walt
Disney Pictures. I think it's DisneyAnimation. They call it because that is
like the that would be all ofthat is the beginning of animation. But
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yeah, I definitely remember remember seeingthem. So Walt decided to take a
chance and make an actual full lengthfeature film, and from what my research
was gathering was that it was betweenthree different movies. It was between Snow
White, Pinocchio, or Alice inWonderland, but with the Alice in Wonderland
(04:32):
one, they were actually thinking aboutdoing it as a live action movie,
but unfortunately Paramount beat them to thepunch and they were saying like, yeah,
we're not giving you the rights tothis, so better luck next time.
So eventually they wound up with snowWhite and the Seven Dwarves, which
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some people might also think, well, why would Walt Disney do that?
Well, I'm actually gonna give youa quote from what Walt Disney had to
say as to why he picked thisout. This was when the first when
we was first coming out, andwhy he chose it. He said,
and I quote, I don't knowwhy I picked snow Whites. It's a
thing I remembered as a kid.I saw marjoritea I believe is the name
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Marjorie Clark in Kansas City one timewhen I was a newsboy. They had
a big showing for all the newsboys. I went and I saw snow White.
It was probably one of my firstbig feature pictures I'd ever seen.
That was back in nineteen sixteen orsomething somewhere way back. But anyways,
to me, I thought it wasthe perfect story. I had the sympathetic
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dwarves and things. I had theprince and the girl, the romance,
I had the heavy I just thoughtit was the perfect story. End quote.
And obviously some of these things arecoming from a bit of darker tales,
and one of the things that weknow is that Disney likes to kind
of flip up some of these darkertales. But in all honesty we go
into talking about the movie itself,it still has enough dark matters to really
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classified as one of those things whereit's like, wait, you allowed kids
to come and watch that. Forus, We're like, yeah, that's
what made us tough for really andnowadays it's just like, I don't know.
If I could expose my kids this, it's like, Oh, what's
the worst thing that's gonna happen,They'll probably went to bed. Maybe wait
till they're older just a little bit. Maybe maybe, Yeah, I don't
even. Yeah, the ratings systemsobviously were different back then than they are
(06:29):
now. Because everything everything's different.You have to just but that was one
thing I think when we were firststarting to talk about Disney, I was
like, yeah, things they allowedback even only like twenty years ago compared
to now are like whoa, yeah, no, I think I remember us
talking like. I'll use this pertexample is that Tarzan Went first came out,
(06:50):
it was just rated G and obviouslywith the dark stuff that we'll talk
about when we get to talk aboutthat, it's one of those things where
it's like, ah, nowadays,I think that would either be more of
a PG maybe PET thirteen kind ofdeal, because whoa for It is definitely
one of those movies that should notbe watched by kids alone, specially.
(07:10):
Yeah, it can get kind ofdark. Dead Body is equal dark to
me, You got that right.So with snow White and Seven Dwarfs rewatching
it, it was one of thosethings where I could see so many people
nitpicking about some of the items areinvolved, Like obviously they're saying like,
(07:32):
oh, snow White is of thisage, the princes of this age,
and that's something that will just continueto just haunt us for the rest of
our days. For me, Ijust watched this, I'm thinking, okay,
just think of it more as somebodywho's watching it for the first time
back in nineteen thirty eight. Andthe other thing that I kept thinking to
myself was, Okay, I alsowatch Game of Thrones. So some of
(07:54):
these things are not exactly one ofthose things where it's like like you he
kind of deal because I'm thinking ofmyself, they don't label them with age
or anything like that, so we'rejust gonna leave That would be, but
also some of the things from Gameof Thrones, I'm like, okay,
this, I can honestly see themthis happening in that timeframe, but I'm
ranting on. So basic story isthat there's an evil queen who wants to
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be the fairest one of all andunfortunately comes to find out that even though
she basically sent her stepdaughter to bethis maiden, she grew to be a
beautiful maiden and according to the mirror, being the most fairest one of all.
And also side note here, Ijust wanted to say that I would
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have loved if there just came apoint where that mirror was just like,
can we talk about something else?I mean, every day it's the same
thing. Are you the fairest ofall? You fairest of all? Can
we just talk about the weather orsomething like that? I feel like,
come on, just give me somethingchallenging. I always think of like the
different wordplay like that they could haveon like the fairest, Like what does
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that even me? Like the fairestruler, the most righteous queen of all,
or snow white, the lightest skinof all, Like that is the
weird part. I actually do rememberthat the first thing that you're saying,
like, yo, like rose redlips, red as the rose skin,
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white as snow. I'm like,wow, this writing actually went through.
This is so basically we're saying sayingand I'm not trying to disrespect him,
but he's like basically we're saying,she's goth apparently, but she's a vampire.
Oh, this whole thing is justrigged. It's always been about vampires.
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Nobody knew You're welcome podcast over thesnow White's a vampire. Oh my
gosh. If that was a twistfor a snow White movie, that would
just be amazing. Melody thout it. It wouldn't be bad, it wouldn't
be bad. Hey, something newDisney just saying. So she meets the
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Prince for the first time. TheQueen wants to have her killed off.
Snow White runs into the forest,meets some runs across the cottage that is
owned by seven dwarfs, seven miners. They meet up and I almost said
the snow Queen, I'm like,no, this is the wrong movie.
The Queen finds out that snow Whiteis alive, plans on killing her herself,
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but through a disguise, and shedoes through a poison apple, and
in the end it's true love's kissthat wins the day, wins the day
and happy endings everything like that.So it's a very simple story that in
all honesty watching it back, I'mlike, this movie still holds up as
a pretty good movie. And thereare so many moments where I'm either just
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kind of like, okay, songsare still really good. I'm not getting
annoyed by anybody. There is notany kind of like oh man, that
like an eye rolled kind of momentor just a face palm like gosh,
why why is this even happening.It's just a simple story that people can
just sit back and kind of enjoyin all honesty. But that's kind of
like the general first impressions when itcomes to the movie. So what were
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your thoughts when it comes to SnowWhite. I mean, I know you
mentioned that it's not one of thosehierarchies deal, but you have to admit
that there has to be something therethat really may kind of still stand out
as one of the best honestly,I mean for the first ever like Disney
kind of like main animation and mainfeature film. I think it's definitely held
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up over a times. It's agreat movie, just wasn't my personal favorite
in general. I think it hadsomething to do with her voice. And
that's something I think people will commitcommonly talk about, is that Disney the
voices of the princess through the times, and how the voices changed, like
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frequency wise, like white, verylight, soft, high, as high
as it can be, snow White'svoice as high as possible, which is,
you know, reflecting the time andwhat was comfortable at the time was
like women had the high soft,very feminine, never growing against the grain.
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Everything needed to be agreed upon,oh like very like lyrically almost like
that, and like even when shetalks to animals and everything, like it's
just one of those things that you'relike, interesting that this is how she
sounded and this is what they wantedto portray the first ever princess, like
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was very floral, light, asfeminine as possible, and voices of the
princesses get deeper and deeper for whenthey come back to more of a typical
speak that we have now, LikeI don't change my voice ever, like
I mean, some people, youknow, phone voice like hi. But
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but there's a there's something to besaid on just like how old the film
is, and where like I didn'tenjoy how high her voice was. No,
I think that's fair, and Ithink that's gonna also come into play
when we talk about Pinocchio for uhfor me, But we'll get to that
in a bit. Another thing Ireally like about this movie is that I
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feel like everybody's pretty developed in thismovie. And I mean that in the
sense of they're not just you know, person a person B person. See
it's just like you know, snowWhite. She's obviously a princess who has
you know, great voice. She'skind of naive, but at the same
time she can be stern at certainpoints. You have the each of them.
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Of course, they have their ownpersonalities. I mean it's in their
names. If you haven't figured outwhat their personalities are by their names,
then you probably need to rewatch themovie again, which I have no issue
with. The Queen has her ownpersonality. Honestly, I even look back
and I thought to myself, Man, even the Huntsman has a really good
personality. Even though he has likefive lines in the entire movie. He
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literally goes from just you know,being loyal to thinking like I don't know
if I want to do this togo into like regret. He has like
a range of emotions in those fivelines, and it's pretty good. Probably
the only one that suffers the mostfrom it is the Prince because he only
gets maybe ut most three lines andone song. But that's about it.
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So to your to your point,they definitely focus a lot more on the
women in this movie, which ispretty awesome to have that kind of deal
where it's like, you know,oh, well, it's all about the
seven doors. I guarantee you thatabout out seventy five percent of this movie
deals more with snow White and theQueen than the Dwarfs themselves. The dwarves
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they get their camera time, nodenying that, but the women definitely get
more of a screen time when itcomes to that. And the fact that
I had to look this up thatthe woman who played the Queen also voiced
the peddler the witch when she madethe transformation, I was really like,
man, that's a really good voicerange to have that to go from being
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a very soft but stern and veryvindicative voice to this just crazy, out
of control, kind of just maniacal, old old woman who just goes out
perfect disguise. I'm like, holyshit, this is good. This is
a good mill and I don't carewhat anyone says. This is a good
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voice actress. She she knew themission when she came in. Oh yeah,
yeah, that's it's it's cool toknow that she played both voices.
But also great, you should youshould be able to like that that,
Like, if you're that's my character, I'd want to do all the voices
for it too. So as faras other things that we liked about this
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movie, I'll definitely say this thatthe scene where they have the where they're
about to eat upper and She andsnow White Tells tells them to go wash
and they show they show their handsto her. It's just so funny seeing
how everybody has their own kind ofdeals, like doctor shows his hands,
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sleep Sleepy and Bashel they're just kindof showing their hands. Happy actually tries
to like rub his hands on hisside to clean it up, probably making
it more worse than anything. Andof course there's Dopey who just literally just
goes, here are my hands nowthey're covered up? So cute. I
actually I remember that scene too.I I like kind of how the the
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seven doors are like emotions of somesort, so it's like little like children
like emotion like they all have.So you get to see how she handles
all those personalities. But yeah,I think it's it's really funny to watch
them all have filthy hands and howthey how they decided to live, and
how she's it's another kind of amasculine feminine thing. There were children,
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but very masculine children of this iswe work, we do this, and
we do this. And then she'slike, what if we cleaned and make
it nice? And then I couldgive a meal for it, and they're
like, whoa, this is kindof nice. It is kind of one
of those realistic things when it comesto movies where these guys they have their
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own status quo where it's just kindof your point A, point B,
point C. Now, obviously withsnow White being here, it's like point
A, but there's also a branchthat goes in a different direction for point
B, and I think it alsogoes out saying. One of the best
scenes and there is when they firstsee the house and they're just like,
so clean, the floors clean,the cobwebs are gone. Then mund you
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do the cob webs, like,are you kidding me? You're gonna talk
You're gonna talk about that among everythingelse. It's I think Bashful even had
a moment where he was just like, my cop is clean, sugar is
gone. Yes, Like it's thethat they had was like, how dare
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she intrude or somebody intruded on us? And all of our mess, the
mess that we put there, thatwe meant to put there, And it's
just there's a lot of different mindfulthings you can think about that of like,
oh, yes, they choose tolive like this, we choose it.
How dare she remove our spiders?Right? Sure, they were bothering
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us, but there was a reasonwhy we had them there. It's we
could have done it, we chosenot to. It's intruding, but it
obviously does also go that they're alsonot used to having you know, women
around, so with them getting thisattention from this woman, it's been really
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it's been really nice for them.And I will also say this that one
of the things I would love tosee in the live action one, and
this is more likely not going tohappen because we've seen a lot of them
become you know, cookie cutouts ofbasically what the original was, but just
live action. One thing I wouldkind of love to see is that one
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thing they do really well in thismovie is the relationship between snow Whites and
Grumpy, because right off the bat, he is literally just like women,
they don't deserve to be She doesn'tdeserve to be here. Oh, let
her get out of here. Shedoesn't need to be here. And then
by the end of it, heis one of the most emotional about the
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fact that she is gone, heis dead, and you see little touches
where he's starting to like warm upto her. And it starts with that
following morning where she's doing the wholelike, you know, kissing everybody on
the forehead, saying y'all see itto night, and he takes off his
head and he kind of shines hisown head just to make sure that it's
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fine. And then of course he'sjust playing off like now I warn you,
don't let nobody in ouse it.Yeah, and of course he gets
the peck on the head and that'swhere he just goes to be a grumpy
to just have him that small weaksmile of just being like that felt nice.
So what I'm getting at is thatI would much rather see snow Whites
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end up with Grumpy at the endof the movie instead of the Prince,
which is a huge gamble, Iknow. But at the same time,
if they played it off the waythat they did in this movie, where
they kind of built that relationship up, I think they could somehow do it.
I mean, it's almost like goinginto the direction of Prosen. You
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think, like, oh, well, Anna's going to end up with Hans.
In the end, she ends upwith Christa. They can do it.
They can do it do I havefaith in them. But they do
it right, not exactly. Imean, the last movie did not really
give me that much confidence. Butit's one of those things with like they've
done it in the past, theycan do something different with it. It
would just be an interesting idea.But I've been drawing on it on so
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no, no, no, thatwould be very interesting. So there's no
Prince instead, like she's just ina reverse Harrem of seven seven Dwarfs are
all up for grams for her.I'm down. I've watched Horrm like reverse
Horrm anime is like no other.It's one of my favorites. So it
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would almost be like a medieval versionof like The Bachelor, where she's just
having moments with these seven men andthen it's almost like this final rose ceremony
where they were just final apple ceremony. Were you trying to poison me?
No, just giving you an apple? Oh okay, that would be funny
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though. It would definitely it woulddefinitely switch it up, and it would
give some good, good tension inchemistry, like I always love you know,
like a grumpy I don't want anythingto do with you into the Oh
no, she warmed my heart.Like I said, It's just one of
those relationships where is it one thatsome people are going to get behind at
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first? Probably not, but youtell good storytelling and you give these characters
a good you know, you know, give them good qualities. I mean
obviously some people are gonna say,like, well, it's no way,
just kind of flawed. And it'slike I can see where somebody could say
that. I think the scene whereshe's where she's doing the prayer at the
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bed, where she says, youknow, please make a grumpy like me.
It's one of those things like oh, come on, you shouldn't have
to care about that. You gotsix other guys that like you. Why
are you so concerned about this oneguy? Eventually he's going to like you.
Just come on right right, likenot everybody has to like you,
come on like something such a peoplePlease or snow White. But can't help
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it needs to be loved by everybody. Jeezu, don't mind know it?
I love to be loved by everybody? Are you kidding? Mean? But
perfection isn't It just doesn't work.Doesn't work, It doesn't work out that
way. So so final thoughts.When it comes to snow White, it's
still, like I said, amovie that still holds up. It does
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have the creepy imagery like the GrimBrothers would probably want them to want it
to have, has a very easystory to follow once you get past like
all of the like And honestly,that's the thing about is that this movie
has flaws, but they're like reallyreally tiny. There's not one where I'm
just like that is a whole horribleflash, just like these things are just
they're small. They're not that biga deal to me. Yeah, no,
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I I think overall it's a greata great classic Disney they mean the
way they were able to restore itvocally or sound wise, sound scape,
it, whatever you want to callit, I think is incredible and just
really cool that they have the technologyto show something that is over I mean
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over like almost eighty five ninety yearsold now like, oh my gosh,
super old. It is super old. It is amazing. It is amazing.
Really thinking about that, it's likewe're harping about a mood that's almost
years old. It is crazy,but it is one of those things where
it shows that, hey, sometimesyou just need a really good story with
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really good characters and that will helpstand the test of time. Which is
an interesting segue consider we're talking nowabout Pinocchio, the second feature length film
that Disney came out with, andwho I'm gonna say this Rewatching this movie,
I was just kind of like,wow, this this has its moments
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where it's good. But okay,let me put it in perspective, ladies
and gentlemen that back then, thiswas one of those movies that obviously a
lot of people really enjoyed. Imean, going to the statistics right here,
we have that they it came outat the Center Theater in February seventh,
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nineteen forty and about looks like twoweeks later. Yep, two weeks
later is when they released it tothe general public budget of two point six
million dollars box office of one hundredand sixty four million dollars. So this
is another movie that hits up andrights and people wanted to see this movie,
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you know, and I can understandwhy. It's a really another simple
story about how an old man Jeppetto, he just wants to have, you
know, he wants to kind ofhave the head this fulfillment in his life,
and he believes that this little littlemarionette puppet shit would come to life
and be a real boy eventually,and Blue Ferry comes in gives the puppet
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life and basically the puppet has tofind I think I'm trying to remember that
it was a brave, truthful,unselfish and then he becomes a real boy.
So it's kind of one of thosethings where it's like, well,
Geppetto started this wish, now thepuppet has to kind of finish the wish,
which already in and of itself.It makes me kind of scratch my
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head, but it's one of thosethings that, again not trying to think
too hard on it, at leastnot the start. The little Boy goes
this little puppet goes on an event. Matures is coursed by temptations to be
an actor and also temptations to goto a temptatious island known as Pleasure Island,
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and in the end has to savehis father from a whale, which
again I'm gonna get to that ultimatelyfinds a way to become a real boy.
So I will say this, Ithink I remember watching this quite a
bit as a kid. For me, as an adult rewatching this, I
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think I think it trails back towhat you were saying about how with how
snow white her voice can kind ofget a little annoying at times. This
is probably the snow white for mebecause there are so many times where I'm
just hearing Pinocchio talk about Charlie GeeWillikers, I'm gonna be a real boy,
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hearing the high screaky boys, ohboy go to Chandler Mock and saying,
look, Chepeto, I'm a reallive boy. Once it was a
little boy, a little wooden boy, like I'm not sure I watched that
version, and they did have alive action too, like even back in
the day too, Like in thenineties or something crazy. Yeah, they
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have cheese. They had a lotof stuff for Pinocchio. I think in
one year they had like three differentinterpretations of Pinocchio, one by Disney,
the other two by random Deals.Actually one I think I remember watching with
Shanta Celeste we watched the I thinkthe really, I think we watched the
Gueromo Montoyo Oneiro. Yeah. Ohyeah, like he's probably probably looked evil.
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I wouldn't. I don't know whatto tell you, because honestly,
I don't have any memories of thatmovie. It's like wow. So I
think that Pinocchio is one of thosestories where it's kind of all the same
and there's not much you can reallyadd on to it. Really, I
think that's really how I can putit, as like Pinocchio as a whole,
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this version here it's the black Bear. But at the same time,
it's not saying much in my opinion, I mean, I guess it's I
guess right. Everybody has their ownperspective. The Pinocchio story is like the
typical young hero story to me isthis hero wishes to be something of himself,
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almost like every Disney movie does this. Like it's like the hero's journey,
something has to initially happen to them, and for him, he is
born as a puppet like which islike a lot of times in the Disney
stories it's their father dies, theirmom dies, oh, their orphan or
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for that. So he is like, I'm not even real, but you
know again, perspective wise, youcould see that. And his journey is
to become a man slash boy,you know, whatever you want to say
it. And in order to dothat he needs these value systems to prove
that you're a true person, likeyou can be real, And throughout his
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journey he goes to seek this andgets thrown into these random tests where he
just proves that he already had itto begin with, and then boom,
everything is fine. And I thinkthat's that's the cute story of Pinocchio,
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is that you go to find greenergrass to realize you've always had it yourself
or something like it was in youthe whole time, which you know has
so much truth behind it. Andthat's that's an interesting statement within itself,
is that what you're looking for isalways truthfully in you. You just have
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to discover a perspective of seeing it. And I think that's what the Pinocchio
story is all about. But it'salso one of those wacky adventures that like
I don't, like I haven't seenPinocchio in so long, but I know,
like every everything I know about Pinocchiois if he tells a lie,
his nose will grow. So it'sa very obvious, like you can't tell
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a lie, Like a lot ofstrong moral values are written within Pinocchio,
and like you know, eat thewhale eating you and stuff and that whole
you know, there's just so muchstuff that like is just a very like
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flagship of what Pinocchio is to peopleis like, oh, like when whales
eat people, Like, oh,it's never been done that before, all
right, Pinocchio. Like even Iwatched Finding Email and I'm like, oh,
here comes the whale part. Justlike Pinocchio. It's just one of
those things that like it's very notoriable, like you know, like Pinocchio,
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but like you don't like I don'tremember it, like Jimminy Cricket, like
you're conscious, like I'm your consciouseven like g even that is like such
a like a like his story isjust in his It could be just in
his mind of an actual real boywho has a dream that he was a
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puppet and he has to figure allthis stuff out, and you know,
there's just so much stuff that Isee that it is very good, like
morally, and if you're an adult, you get it. And I think
that's kind of the main point aboutDisney that we like in general. It
is like you can get it differentlyas an ad all, but you don't
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have to, and you also don'thave to like it's not very entertaining.
Sometimes it was more entertaining as akid, Like I remember there was like
a wolf or something in it atone point. I mean, I couldn't
tell you all the characters, likeI couldn't. Oh I could because I
recently just watched it, Like Isaid, yeah, so yeah, I
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will. I will say that Ithink Jimney Crickett has his moments, but
there are definitely a lot of momentswhere he's kind of one of those characters
where it's like, okay, okay, maybe we could see a little less
of you that at the same timethey do give him a little less But
yeah, you mentioned the like theside characters. Honestly, those are kind
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of like my favorite parts of themovie are a fox and a cat,
Honest John and we who helped whoassist Pinocchio into the direction of temptation.
And it's one of those weird thingswhere I look back at this and I
think to myself, honestly, Iwould love a spin off with Honest John
and Gideon like how they came tobe, how they came to be,
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where they have such little screen timeagain, but they make that kind of
impact where it's like, I kindof want to know more, because there
comes to a point where at firstthey're just like, oh, we're gonna
sell Pinocchio to Tromboli, and thenthey make this deal with the Coachman to
bring naughty boys to Pleasure Island,and there's a point where Honest John's even
just like, I don't know howI feel about this, and he's intimidated
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by the Coachman, who honestly isthe true villain of this movie. Oh
my, that that point where hesays they don't come back as bollyes and
he just has this devilish look onhis face. I'm just like, oh,
yeah, he's the true villain.Trumbulli was definitely the minor villain.
He's the lead villain in this entirething creepy, Oh god, creepy.
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That that is also Strumbullly and coachin a nutshell. Strum Bulley is just
like, oh, you're going tomake could be a big time money.
Oh hey, we started with anItalian accent. There we go, Now
we got it comes full circle Geppettoand Pinocchio that obviously it had to be
an Italian accent. So you're goingto make me big money and then when
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you can't, you will be Firewood. And he just throws an accent at
a puppet. I'm like, well, that's a little grim for a kid's
movie. Somewhat kids movie, Iguess. And then of course with the
Coachman where he basically takes these kidsto Pleasure Island and they become donkeys.
Even there also also can we saythe fact that this kind of amazing that
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a G rated movie has the wordjackass in It's right, but but but
and all you know, it wasn'ta swear. It was like that's what
that is. But like I getthat it's a swear to us, and
like nowadays, but even all thoseit's all like you know, play on
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like adulthood if you catch the driftof what they were saying, like yeah,
like I mean like he's like sayinglike if you don't make money,
you're worthless. And like this isif you just become one of the herd,
just become one of the herd,just become a donkey, just be
an ass and like you'll fit infine. And it's like, ah,
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like it doesn't work, it doesn'twork. Be your own man, Pinocchio
become a true boy. Yeah,it's just really crazy thinking about how I
think that we had like a bitof a lighter dark tone in snow Whites.
Pinocchio does not pull back. Imean you literally have the whole deal,
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like I said, where a puppetliterally gets acted in a show and
then you see a kid turning intoa donkey during this and probably one of
the most terrifying visuals I've honestly everseen. You look back at that,
I think to myself, Jesus,this is really dark. And this is
also which makes this absolutely amazing.But and it was a bad kid,
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right, yeah, it was alamp Wick. Yeah, which was like,
yeah, like he's like not agood kid. He's always kind of
been a bully to Pinocchio into theother kids. Again. Remember I haven't
seen it for a second, soI could be wrong, and then like
you watch him like get punished andlike hah, like this is what we
do to those who like you're goingto be next, Like this is what
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true boy is, Like turn intothis and you're like, oh, I
guess, no, don't go toPleasure Island, which is also a very
I find very funny for the namein the sense of like you can't have
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too much good in your life oryou become an ass like you're like what,
Oh, that's that's really good anddeep. I like that, you
know, like what because yeah?It because yeah, I mean some of
the things that they had in therewas like a smashing glass or smoking cigarettes
and drinking I guess, but Idon't know if it was beer, if
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it was just like probably poison.But it's that means like liquor probably ah,
gotcha, gotcha? Most likely becauseagain the like in the forties,
there were I mean the forties,I think that you could drink again.
But you know, you're learning lessons, you're trying to learn life lessons.
Here Nate learned the life lessons.Yes, I believe that there came a
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point where Pinocchio is just like,gotta learn to be a real boy.
It'd be a good boy, Ain'tthat right, Nate? He just looks
directly at me. I'm like,ah, it's breaking the fourth wall.
I'm scared. I really liked theDeadpool. Thank you, you're not Ryan
Reynolds. Please stop looking at me. There's dead lifeless eyes. Oh god,
yeah, yeah, I couldn't.I couldn't watch a live action of
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Pinocchio now that they would try tolike the like Coraline or something with button
eyes. Oh, I definitely seethat being a problem. I think.
So. The other thing that waskind of an interesting thing was the whole
deal with the whale, where it'slike, Okay, first of all,
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how did jeppetto end up in thewhale? And how is this way?
I will say that this whale definitelyhad quite the Honestly, before we had
Jaws. Monstro was definitely the onething where we're just like, I don't
know if I want to swim inthe ocean because if there's something like that
living in there, that's that's crazy. And the crazy thing about Disney is
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that sometimes you don't need an explanationas to why things happen, like why
is this whale continuing to you huntdown Geppetto and Pinocchio. It's like,
well, now it's out of yoursystem, you don't have to worry about
No, I must still need it. Why though? Because fair enough,
Disney? Fair enough? Fair enough? Yeah, I wonder what the because
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again I'm not as familiar with Pinocchio, but I wonder what the lesson is
there? Like what what does thewhale represent in Pinocchio? I don't remember,
I can't recall, but it mustrepresent some sort of life lesson and
the fact that they have to faceit together, like that challenge together is
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yeah, you know, maybe thatwas just not one that had a lesson
behind it. Maybe it was justone where it was just like, we
need to end this on a coolnote, giant whale. Cool, So
we just have this going after Whydoes the whale chase them? No reason?
Fair enough? Make make make theway nice and creepy. I think
we can do that. We'll makea big perfect perfect, make it big,
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make it a big bud like weneeded, like a big monster.
You know what, Well, wecan call it monster, but let's let's
make it more menacing month mons monthsMonstro true Monstroe. There we go.
Mon You know it sounds Italian,so it makes sense, bro. Yeah,
I mean it is an Italian basedfilm and not film but story so
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months trough. So I think theother critique I kind of have with this
movie is that when Geppetto and Pinocchioreunite, I kind of feel like Geepetto
is a little bit too nice toPinocchio. I get it, it's supposed
to be one of those things whereyou know, he's a loving father and
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stuff like that. But at thesame time, there could have been a
moment where you know, Pinocchio,you know, it's you know, I've
done so much wrong, Dad,I did not mean to worry you.
I'm sorry, that kind of deal. We never really get that moment.
It's just kind of those things wherePinocchio he kind of starts going in that
direction and then are like, oh, it doesn't matter, you're you're here
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by little boy, and I'm justlike, let him apologize, don't do
don't do this to him because thenhe's gonna be because then he's gonna end
up a pleasure island as a jackass. Don't do it. But yeah,
that's another nitpick. Yeah, soI wanted to just really quick, like
since I couldn't get my thought processwrapped around what the whale is. They
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say that the whale would represent God'slove and forgiveness because that's what happens.
Geppetto gets swallowed up by it whenhe's out looking for Pinocchio, and Pinocchio
went out looking to you know,make his father happy, you know type
of thing like I want to bea real boy because dad always wanted a
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real boy. And this is blahblah blah. And so that's just kind
of interesting. And they talk aboutlike how the first which is hilarious.
I wouldn't know this, but otherpeople might know that the first big whale
story was Jonah getting swallowed by awhale in the Bible. So that is
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kind of like the significance of thewhale in Pinocchio is like the love and
forgiveness and love and like you're goingout on a limb to try to find
somebody you love and you get swallowedby a whale. Way to go.
But the real thing, the realthing there is like you're again, you're
seeking something that you always had andlike, and so I think that's cute
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that what you just said of theforget, Like he's trying to like say
sorry and be like, sorry,Dad, that I did all this,
and he's like, you know,you don't have to be I've always had
you the way you are, andyou know, really good love story in
the end of it of a fatherand a son. But again they had
to make some sort of twist forus to all be interested in. The
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twist is he was a puppet andall of a sudden, the Blue Fairy
comes back and grants the wish righta happy ending and we get the you
know, the beautiful song of allsongs of Disney is when you Wish upon
a Star, And that's been redoneand redone and redone and even the new
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movie that we both talked about,the Wish movie that came out for the
one hundred year celebration movie complete crapsong, wish song, just the wish.
The real song is decent, decentenough for me to listen and be
like, oh, I wish thatsong was kind of more just it and
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I could relish the fact that Disney'sone hundred years had a good thing happened
to it, but they also havethey also have the audacity to have an
end credit scene where the where wherethe grandfather is playing on his guitar,
the when you ish a panist.I'm like, come on, you're gonna
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make people wait for that, Iknow. But you know, the funny
thing is it could have been ayeah, they had a I don't know
what that was. In all honesty, the movie Wish is awful go to
pulling. Yeah, they were pullingfrom Pinocchio and stuff from this like that.
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That's one of the biggest pivotal thingsin Disney is having the like feeling
as though your dreams and wishes cancome true, and then the Panocchio is
the prime start of that, whichis really pretty and cool. Yeah,
I could see that. So honestly, with everything you've said, I definitely
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do have a respect for like themorals and the message that they're trying to
get across from that movie. However, I will still say that there's still
quite a bit of issues that Ihave there where it's like from Snow White,
I feel like this was a bitof a step down. So I'm
going to tell you guys this thatI'm actually gonna be doing kind of like
this ranking system kind of deal towhere I will have you know, these
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movies that we talk about kind ofranked. At the end, I'll probably
reveal what I think are the topten that we talk about here. So
right now, snow White is stillat the top. Pinocchio is definitely is
second. But I definitely do,like I said my co host, given
that kind of more you know,deeper deal to it. It's like,
Okay, I can get that,I can get behind that. I just
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wish that some of these characters werenot as uh, I don't want to
say unlikable, but just not asI guess as bland as I kind of
thought that they would be. Yeah, it's really like one of those things
that it's hard to watch. ThingI don't like. When you were told
me you were watching Pinocchio again,I was like, whoa, I don't
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think I have gotten zero. Isn'tthere even Oh my gosh, now that
I think about it, didn't tellme Hanks do some sort of Pinocchio.
He's in the live action remake.Oh my goodness, there's so many different
Like I was thinking of the ninetieslive action and like, oh no,
they redid it. Even remember likethey had like a Jonathan Taylor Thomas was
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in there, yes, with ahat and stuff like yeah, crazy crazy
sorry, I was like yeah.And then we also got your petal with
Drew carry Oh my gosh, socrazy. All that is so so crazy.
They have tried really hard on Pinocchio. Same with Peter Pan too,
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though that's one of them. Ifeel like they've redone every like six years.
They're like, we could try thatagain, why not do it different?
Troup dish, Yeah, oh Igot one more so. They also
did a Pinocchio with Polly Shore asPinocchio. What that face just told me
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what I need to YEA, notseeing that that'll just be that's even creepier.
Well, you don't like the guyfrom Goofy movie where he was just
eating all that cheese. You don'tthink that he could be a great Pinocchio.
It's weird. I I don't whatare we going to learn from this
man that cheese is good? Andeven though he's not from Wisconsin, I'm
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pretty sure he just loves cheese.I think it's all we need. So
we need is as long as helikes cheese, we're down. We're down
for it. Yeah. But Iagree with you. I don't. I
wouldn't say that. I think thesemovies have a place in history, and
that's why we're talking about them.But in general, I mean, I
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wouldn't. I would sit in myown kids down with them and be like,
you're gonna love this movie, likethey're they're not so whoops, so
so snow white. I think willbe one that I would definitely show my
kids. Pinocchio, No, no, I think I think it's one of
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those things like you know, whenyou're grown up and you feel like you're
ready go watch Pinocchio, But Idon't think if you want. I think
that was actually gonna be the lasttime I've ever I ever seen Pinocchio,
because Jesus, that was a tripand a half. Like I said,
I am not looking forward to whenwe have to watch the live action one
because I remember that being somehow worse. But we'll get to that one.
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We'll get to. I don't know, I don't. I don't think I've
ever seen that movie. Well,we'll get to. We'll cross that bridge
when we get to it. Butso yeah, like she said, in
general, these two movies are definitelyjust amazing place holders that started the Golden
Age, and on the next episode, we're gonna be talking about the final
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three notes notable, noticeable, notablethere, that's the word. Uh,
the three notable ones which are goingto conclude the Golden Age, which are
going to be Fantasia Jesus, Iguess my body is rejecting it now,
Fantasia, Dumbo and Bamby, towhich I'm gonna be like, Okay,
(50:31):
this is going to be an interestingtrip. I mean, I've watched Fantasia
plenty of times, and honestly,I got a lot to say about that
movie. Dumbo and Bambi. It'sactually been a while since I've seen these
two movies, so kind of interestingto see how they kind of hold up
for pretty dark man, it's Jessgets darker that that is also true,
(50:52):
but also trippy. Are we arewe going to be taking drugs before we
watch these movies? Do I haveto watch them sober? We'll considering the
fact that I have a town calledMerrill, which is basically like drug city,
and we've both been to Rockford,which we have friends of Rockford.
(51:14):
We can make the joke and theycan also have a laugh about this because
Rockford is is I wouldn't say it'slike the Chernobyl of Illinois, but definitely
as one of those places where it'slike, wow, how does this place
still exist? You just called itthe Chyl. That's that was fucking funny
(51:37):
only here on the game Tach yourpodcast. Can you hear about me to
bring a Chernobyl joke into a podcast? I didn't. I didn't suck it.
I know you didn't. You're justhere for the ride, and she's
just like, I'm I'm just gonnaget off the roller. Thumbs up,
all smiles and thumbs up. Guys, We are back and this already is
(52:01):
turning out to be one of themost bizarre but also one of the most
fun episodes I've done in podcasting ina while. So you could expect more
in the future. Like I said, we're going through the eras of Disney.
We're gonna get trippy, we're gonnaget crazy. It's gonna be a
wild time. So raise yourselves in. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.
(52:22):
Keep all hands and feet inside thevehicle at all times, unless you're in
the Bear Jamboree, then you canjust be like, hey, you're talking
bear. Just love it. Ilove it. So we're gonna wrap up
this edition of the GCP. Thankyou guys for listening in. You can
always follow me on the Twitter andthe Instagram at real fn Game. Sure
(52:43):
to also check me out for abrace for Impact and part of wressel Attic
Radio where I talk wrestling TNA alsoindependent wrestling. I've started doing that this
week and it's absolutely great telling thestories that I can and be also sure
to check out every single thing thatwe post up on social media. It's
always a lot of fun. Tory. Where can they find you if they
(53:04):
would like to just see what you'reup to? Yeah, I gotta post
because I went to Coachella and Ihaven't posted about it, dare you?
I know? I know, Ihad such a fun time speaking of trips,
right Like, No, you canfind me on Instagram. It's boss
Mode, Tory Clark Underscore boss Mode. There you go. I know my
(53:30):
handle, I know this, butyeah, the Instagram is kind of just
where you'll find me right now,but it's where I should be posting stuff.
It should be and honestly, guys, one of the funniest things that
I'll tell you right now, it'sreally funny seeing Tory on her screen.
(53:51):
Her hand keeps waving around. Italmost looks like there just comes a point
where she looks like she's just flippingme because the hand just goes blurry.
I'm like, I feel like Ihave to not move. I feel like
not moving causes the blur effect.There I go, Nay, stop talking
about Pinocchio. No more Pinocchio,no more pistachio. Okay, pistachio.
(54:13):
We can talk about just Pinocchio.Pistachios. We like pistachios. They're okay
from the pistatio lovers here at theGCP. Thank you guys so much for
listening in. Have a good one. We'll see you next time. We're
including the Golden Age. Then we'regoing on from there. Wait
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