August 19, 2025 • 55 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Down and Dirty with Scott Mitchell, the
Utah football legend and twelve year NFL vetterman on Utah's
number one sports talk ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
one AFM, a proud part of Utah's ESPN Radio network.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He hellos, sports fans, welcome on in. It is the
Down and Dirty with Scott Mitchell here on ESPN seven
hundred and ninety two one FM, Proud to be a
part of ESPN's Utah Radio network. I'm so happy to
be here. Oh my goodness. I'm just telling you I
love this every day, and I know I love to
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tell you that I love this every day, and I
appreciate you tuning in. We have some great stuff to
talk about. I'm telling you as I sat through this,
this is this is news. This is a discussion that
will impact sports in the state of Utah for decades,
for eons of time. This is a huge, huge deal
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that's going to happen, and it's all about baseball. But
we've got all your football stuff, we got all your
other sports stuff. We're going to talk about it. We're
going to pontificate, We're going to laugh, we're gonna cry,
We're going to go on a ride that you will
love and enjoy. So let's let's I just have to
get into this. Rob Manfred, who is, of course, the
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commissioner of Major League Baseball, had a discussion with the
New York Post and he talked about massive changes in
the historic alignment of baseball that's been around for one
hundred and forty eight years, and he wants to turn
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it on its ear. He wants to just flip it
right upside down and land right on its head. And
what he said and what he's realized is that people
are interested in baseball. There is an interest, and I
believe there is. I believe there's a resurgence in baseball,
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and a lot of it. I believe is is so
many players, and there's just some dynamic players in baseball
doing incredible things. Uh none, none less than Shoheotani, who
I think just kind of thumbed his nose at everyone
and just said, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna
be both. Now it looks like he's maybe being just
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one right now, but he shows up with the Dodgers,
they win a World championship, and all is right with
the world and it's not just him. There's just there's
tons of tons of players in Major League Baseball that
are that are doing phenomenal things, and it's interesting. But
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here's what Rob Manfred said that's gonna change the absolute
course of sports in the state of Utah. He said,
I want to change the alignment of baseball to be
a geographic layout. And he essentially said, I want the
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East and I want the West, and in order to
do that, we need to expand so that we have
the right number of teams in the East and in
the West. And he specifically said Salt Lake City as
the team in the West and Nashville is the team
in the East. And when I read this, I immediately thought,
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all right, these the Millers are not dumb people. Ryan
Smith is not a dumb person. And by that what
I mean is they don't go counting their chickens before
they're hatched. So the Miller family doesn't have this big production,
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this big you to do, having renderings drawn of a ballpark,
meeting in the area where the ballpark is going to go,
publicly coming out and saying we want to bring baseball
to Salt Lake City. They've already brought baseball to Salt
Lake City. It's just a formality at this point. They
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don't they don't go through that song and dance. They don't.
They don't get out there, and they don't go Look,
I want to look stupid, So I'm gonna I'm gonna
do this hair brained, you know. Oh well, we'll bring
baseball here, you know, we'll we'll we'll actually go out
and blasso the moon and we'll pull it right into Utah.
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They don't say something that's outlandish and just saying it's
never going to happen. They say it after it's happened.
You know that there's been who knows countless hours of
discussion between the Miller's and Major League Baseball about bringing
them here. I would venture to say it would be
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part of why the Bees are no longer near downtown
Salt Lake. I'm sure that has something to do with it.
I'm sure that the Miller said, look, we've got this
lovely community out here called Daybreak, let's put our a
little baseball team out here, which I've been out to
Bees games. Wonderful, wonderful facility. They got to work on
the parking. Okay, I'm just you know, I don't want
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to be critical, but it was like, there's so much
freaking land out here. How come it's so hard to park?
Can't we just park like in this vacant field that's
two seconds? Like, what's the big deal? Anyways, there's follow
the science, follow the parking agent. Nonetheless, none of this
is happening unless they know something. And again I'm speculating here,
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but I'm reading the tea leaves. That's my job. My
job is to provide insight, opinion, and perspective on the
things that are happening in sports. And this is the
way I'm seeing it because because Rob Manfred came right
out and said, Salt Lake City said, we're geographically aligning this.
And here's the exciting part. My term, this is what
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Rob Manfred said, is up in twenty twenty nine, and
I want this done before I'm out. So what he
wants to do is geographically align the teams. And it's fairly,
you know, fairly consistent. And the part of the main
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part is that they want to maximize the visibility to fans.
And when you have a game, excuse me on the
West coast, folks in the East don't watch it. But
folks in the West will and if you create these relationships,
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these rivalries, these divisions geographically, you create a stronger interest
in what's going to happen. If you look at hockey,
there's the potential of you've got Colorado, you have Las Vegas,
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you have Seattle, you have Utah, and and there's a
nice and you have La and you have a nice
little pocket of potentially amazing hockey rivalries just because of
the geography of everything. So it's really important for us
as sports fans to start hating Las Vegas and Denver
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and La and Seattle in the sports world, you know,
not in the regular world, but they they you know,
and we're not there yet, but it'll be fun when
we get there. And and just these natural geographic rivalries
is a good thing now right now today. If this
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was the case, so if if you had a baseball
team in Salt Lake City, they wouldn't be the worst
team in Major League Baseball. You could beat the Rockies
because the Rockies so horrible. So it's it's not a
question of you know, like like we could start out
not being in the basement because I have no idea.
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Well it's not true. I was in Florida when the
Florida Marlins were were created, and they actually played in
our football stadium, which was weird. Uh, and it and
it was it was awful because baseball dirt in a
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wet climate like Miami, it makes for muddy games. And
if you've ever if you've ever played on a baseball
field on football, it is no, it's not good. Like
I'm just it's not good. Uh. And if anyone tells
you it's not a big deal, it's it is a
big deal. In fact, they had a celebrity softball game
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so that all the Miami Dolphin players play. I don't
know who we played. And one of our offensive linemen
is in a softball game hit a home run out
of out of which is what's now hard rock stick,
And I mean he hit that ball so far it
was insane. So what you have and what you have
to look forward to. And in a short period of time,
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we're halfway through, more than halfway through twenty twenty five,
So if I do my Springville, Utah math, we're three
and a half years from Rob Manfred's end of term
as Commissioner of Major League Baseball, So we're at the
most three and a half years from baseball being in
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Salt Lake City, which is not a long way away,
and for Rob Manfred to come out publicly. Again, people
don't talk about these things publicly unless it's a it's
a four drawn conclusion. Part of the part of the
letting the cat out of the bag is to also
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kind of gauge your argument, Right, so, where are we weak?
Let's like, we're gonna bring We're gonna bring baseball here.
We know we are. So let's find out the hurdles
we have to overcome when we announce this. And maybe
there aren't hurdles. Maybe there are people that everyone's just like,
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heck yes. And so I'm sitting here trying to think
in my brain, what is the hurdle? What is the
hurdle to Major League Baseball coming to Salt Lake City?
And the hurdle really is it's about the infrastructure. It's
about the structure of the team and putting all of
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that into place and into play. And like I said,
I think I think when they what look, it's not
like bees have had iteration. They were the goals, they
were the trappers, they were They've been a lot of
different things. But what they've been is popular. They've been
an extremely popular team. There's clearly and and and that's
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really why I think baseball's coming here. Well, there's a
lot of reasons, but clearly there's a there's a an
interest in baseball, and there's an affection for the Bees.
And I'm one of those people. Like one of the
things that I have enjoyed the most is a nice,
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lovely summer evening sitting in that ballpark at least you know,
uh smith Field, and it's the same at daybreak, but
you look at the mountains and it's just a it's
just a beautiful you know, it's just the sun's down,
very comfortable temperature, and there's just something about that. There's
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something about baseball that just clicks here in Utah, and
it's been that way. So that's the hurdle. That's one
of the hurdles to me, is people going, we love
our bees and you're just gonna throw them out like
use trash. And and so the miller said, no, we're not.
We'll build a new stadium for them. Well, we'll have
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a nice, lovely soft landing spot. Now, now mind you,
we're gonna build a stadium like right, next to Kennacock Copper, Like,
if we could build it in the copper mind, could
you imagine could you imagine the stadium seating, because you've
seen it's a big it's a big amphitheater. Basically, is
what what the inside the mind looks like? Oh man,
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could you have an event there? Everyone probably died from
toxic poisoning, but but for one night only, we would
have an event. And so they said, well, we'll we'll
we won't destroy the bees, we'll just move the beehive,
but we're gonna move it as far away as we
possibly can't. So it's going it's going out by the mine.
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Now we have this little community that we bought out here,
and it's just it'll be a fun toy that we
can we can put out here, but we want to
get it as far away from our new place as
we possibly can. And I'm sure that that wasn't by chance,
that any of none of this stuff happens by chance.
People go and they sit in these meeting rooms, in
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their war rooms, and they and they in their planning rooms,
and they go, Okay, what we've announced this now? What
are what are the arrows? What are the complaints. What
are we getting. So you're going to have the city,
and the city's going to go, well, this is what
we want to have, and you've got to deal with
all the city, and then you've got to find the land.
And where do you find enough land? I mean, think
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about think about the Oakland Athletics going to Las Vegas,
and everyone was like, oh, that's a done deal. It's
an easy thing. And then there was some discussion, well
maybe they'll come to Utah, maybe though, and Major League
Baseball said, no, we don't. We need another team. We're
changing our whole structure of our league. We need another team.
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And so all of this stuff, I'm just telling you.
When I saw this last night, I'm like, this is
the biggest freaking news that could possibly happen here in
the state of you. Though there's just nothing about it
that speaks like it's some pipe dream or it'll never happen,
or it's going to happen way down the road. It's happening, folks,
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and it's happening relatively soon. Now another reason. And you
can take this for whatever you want it. You can
take it as a good thing, you can take it
as a bad thing. Take it however you want. But
Utah is an amazing place to live. And it's one
of those things that's no longer a secret. We are vibrant,
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we are productive, we are beautiful, we are appealing. We
have an educated workforce, we have a workforce, we have infrastructure,
we have a very strong economy. And those are things
also that you need, and baseball needs and everyone needs
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in order for things to thrive, and and and that
I'm sure they look at like the success of hockey.
And I would say that in its first year, uh,
hockey has been massively successful. I think it will only
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get better. I I as much as I'm pained by
the Utah Jazz, I believe it will get better. And
and what what begins to happen is you all of
us and start being recognized as a sports city. And
it brings massive attention. Now it's going to bring bad
stuff too, just does but Utah, and it's part of
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why I'm doing this show. I bet on sports. I
bet on sports in Utah, and and it looks like
that bet is paying off for everyone in a big way.
So what you're going to have now is you're going
to have a baseball team you're going to have a
hockey team, a basketball team. RSL. Fine, I'll throw them
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in there. They're fourth. But now now the conversation changes
dramatically in the State of Utah. It's it just shifts.
It just shifts from a little, small market team, small
market city to a legitimate sports venue. It happened in
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Las Vegas. You know, of course, football is king, the
football is life. It's all those things. But you're you're
right there. One thing you do have and you will have,
and which will be another attraction, is you will have
the Olympics in twenty thirty four, and you're gonna be
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You're gonna be in the midst of probably somewhere along
the line you've won a championship or two or three
or four. By then, you're recognized as a serious sports
market in the country. You have a strong and vibrant economy,
a beautiful there's no place in the world, and I've
been everywhere in the world, but I have seen the
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world to a degree, and there's no place like Utah.
I mean, really, that should be the logo of the
state of youth. There's no place like Utah. Period. It's
an incredible thing. So as I as I got up
this morning and as I saw this or last night,
I could not wait to talk about it today. And
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I've said this before about sports, but it's a real thing,
and I really, in my heart of hearts believe that
that it's happening. Baseball is coming and big time sports
is coming to Utah, and sports not only and all
it means people. It's really simple. You're just part of
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the national conversation. It changes how people view you. It
changes You're not flown over. You're not looked at as
kind of a weird, peculiar place anymore, which isn't a
bad thing. But you're the the nation, and the eyes
of the nation and the world are upon you and
they will be for some time. Well, right now I
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the NFL News of Notes is right around the corner.
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Already, of course, let's go. This is it down in
dirty with Scott Mitchell here on ESPN seven hundred ninety
two one FM. So glad that you could be a
part of what we're doing here. Crazy stuff. I was
talking about Major League Baseball and realigning geographically so that
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they can get better viewership and better rivalries. And they're
upending the Apple cart and they're changing things around. And
they mentioned Salt Lake City. They need to have expansion
and they like Salt Lake City, and why not? What's
not to light? All right? So it's the NFL News
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of Notes. It's that time where we talk specifically about,
you know, the thing that matter most, and that's the NFL.
NFL is King Queen, Prince Princess, and it's the joker.
The football gods, just so you know, sometimes are mean,
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they are not nice. And the reason that football is
unkind sometimes is because the football is not round like baseball.
Has it easy because the ball is round. Soccer basketball,
you have a it's predictable, it's easy, it's not hard
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because you kind of know baseball or football. It's oblong,
even even rugby or Ozzie rules football. It's there's a
roundness to the oblong ball. It does bounce easier and
better football. No, So if you don't do it right
and you don't hit it right, it bounces odd. And
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that's the cruelness of football. It is. It is a horrible, terrible,
awful thing at times. And but let's talk a little
bit about some of the terrible awful things that are
happening or good. It doesn't matter. So cincinnatve be defensive
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and Trey Hendrickson is not budgeting, so he's trying to
get a deal done with the Bengals, and he's like,
I don't care. I'm I I I stand my ground.
I stand my ground in the world of professional football today,
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because it's all about if you stand your ground, it
just means you're going to lose money right now, and
and it also means that you know you may not
get it back. A lot of guys who stand their ground.
I'm not sure how well it works out for him.
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And and it's a it's a cool thing in the
sense that your worth is only as much as people
are willing to pay. So it doesn't matter what you
think of yourself because you're not the one writing the check.
So somehow, some way, and in some situation, you've got
to figure out how to create your worth. And in a
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lot of situations, I I think it's harder. I really
think it's harder to sit out. I really don't know
how much you really win by by sitting out, and
and especially in today's world where you can get paid significantly,
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and I know people are like, but I want to
be paid the most, and I'm the best player, and
I get everyone's ego gets involved and they get agents,
and everyone just says, you know, you you need to
realize this is a lot of money, and and we
you know, you'd be foolish to not take it because
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the finds today the money is high, but the fines
for sitting out are are crazy and and the loss
of game checks is insane. And the owners know this,
so the owners just go fine, sit out. In fact,
I think in my whole time, my whole time in
the NFL, I think there was only there was only
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one circumstance where you go, oh yeah, it worked out,
and that was EMMITTT. Smith. And I want to say
it was maybe ninety two ninety three somewhere are there,
and and Emmittt's saying, dude, pay me, and Jerry Jones says, man,
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I'm not gonna pay you right now because I just
I'm just not you just you're asking too much money
from me. And Emmett says, I am Emmett Smith. Pay me.
And he sat out, and the Cowboys started losing the season,
and people were you think, they said, pay Micah, pay Emmett.
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There there's a there's a question for you if you
had your choice between Emmitt Smith or Micah Parsons, who
you're gonna pay. I know who I'm gonna pay. I'm
gonna pay Ammon Smith. Emmitt Smith, Emma smith Man would
be would be running back number one for me if
I'm if, if I'm in, if I'm in the era
of running backs in the NFL, EMITTT. Smith is number
one for me, and I played with Barry Sanders, I
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would take Emmitt Smith. But emmittt is the only one
I saw who held out that actually helped him out.
And he and and and uh and now it helped
that the team lost because then and and guess what
happened when Emmitt Smith came back. They want they went
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on and won the Super Bowl. And I want to say,
Emmitt Smith might have been the m v P. Martin
you can look that up maybe, and but but it
was one of those the player was definitely right in
that situation. Most of the time, all it takes is
a week or so and you lose that game check
and you realize, you know, these guys are making I
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don't know, twenty million dollars a year, and so the
check is over a million dollars a week, and all
of a sudden, you go, oh, I don't have a
million dollars, Like I didn't get it. I didn't get
my million dollars this week. That's what I mean. It's
just it's it's crazy. It's even though it's not the
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very best deal, it's an insanely good deal because the
money is so and maybe we're just maybe we're just
so jaded as as people that we just like, well, yeah,
but my you know, I know I'm getting twenty five
million dollars a year, but I want to get thirty
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and I don't know. Now, back in a time when
the money was very different, it's just stupid money. Now,
and I I just I just you know, maybe you
make a compromise and you just signed for one year.
Just go, I'll just play for a year. I'll play
this year and and then and then let's see where
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we are in a year. But I I it's a
scary proposition to hold out. I mean, and and I
get it because the players go, look, I only have
so many, you know, days left in my career, and
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I know that as soon as I'm bad, they're gonna
they're gonna ask me to take a pay cut. They're
gonna cut me. And so what when I'm of no
use to them, They're gonna be happy to get rid
of me. But they're also going to say, look, we've
this is why we paid you, and that's what we're
gonna do. And that's it. And and and so the
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contracts aren't they're just they're better. There's tons better, but
they're not they're not tilted to the player. And if
you were to ask me why that's the case, go
talk to your very corrupt NFL Players Association. I mean,
I mean, really, I mean, that's that's where because the
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NFLPA has always had the position of we're not interested
in the players. We're interested in the superstars. We're going
to take care of the superstars, which the league does
and happy to do because they know that, you know,
having Patrick Mahomes popular and having you know, Aaron Rodgers
create all this stuff and just all all the names
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of professional football out there. I don't know why I
picked Aaron, but Aaron Rodgers moves the needle, and those
guys get taken care of, and they always will. But
you know, someone like Trey Hendrickson, who's just on the
border of being one of those players, probably isn't going
to get taken care of. Now here's here's kind of
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I don't I don't know about this. So cam Ward
first pick in the draft. Uh, he imitated defensive tackle
Jerry Simmons like I guess dance right, and it created
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a scuffle amongst the team and I and here here,
here's where the NFL used to be fun. And I've
talked about the locker room and what it's like in
a you know, the locker room is just a place.
It's amazing place, but it's also a place where you
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can kind of you can kind of joke, and if
you don't have thick skin about things, and if you
if you take things super personal, h then you things
like this are gonna happen. But if you can't just
kind of roll with the punches and go, oh, that
was funny. You know, I get it. That was that
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was funny. Okay, you're making fun of me, right like it.
I love it. It's awesome. And but people don't. They
get too bent out of shape. You can't say anything anymore,
you can't offend anyone anymore. Everyone's uptight. If you remember
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The Titans, did you remember the movie? Remember the Titans,
and and they do your mama jokes in the in
the movie and how the one guy gets hold and
then he realizes this is not a serious thing. Part
of why people do this is there's there's immense pressure
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that's there and it's really I don't know if you
want to call it coping mechanism, but it's it's a
way of saying blowing off steams just kind of it
just kind of joke about people. Whether it's rookie shows
and they do invitations of it. It's just a thing.
I actually was at a team party for Halloween and
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I dressed up like my football coach Wayne Funds. I
didn't know that there was going to be a news
camera there. So one of our players did a sports
show on the news and and so they interviewed me,
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and I was just being silly. Well it was taken
completely out of context and thought that I was making
fun of my coach and belittling him and being disrespectful,
and everyone actually thought I was drunk, which I've never
had a drink in my life, which people knew and know,
and they're like, he's fallen off the wagon, look at
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he's lost his mind. And I was just being I
was just I was just doing what we normally did,
and that's make fun of each other. My coach typically
wore sweats to practice every day, and he always had
a cigar, so he's always smoking a cigar, wore sweats,
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and then he did this make a Wish Foundation and
they uh, and he put on Mickey Mouse ears because
this this person wanted to come to Detroit Lions practice
and go to Disney World and so they you know,
and and it's for terminal the old Children's very kind
thing that they do. And of course he has the
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mouse ears on and and the press, in their cruelness,
said he's a Mickey Mouse coach, meaning he's a joke,
and so they take a picture of him, and they,
you know, use the caption Mickey Mouse coach, and and
so he would was kind of known for having Mickey
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Mouse ears. So I put on Mickey Mouse ears. I
put on sweats and I had a cigar that I
was holding in my hand, and and okay, and I
put a pillow underneath the sweatshirt. So it made me look,
you know, because he wasn't in the greatest of shape.
And look, I'm not either now. But then, you know,
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it's a different story. Clearly everyone knew who I was
that was on the team. There was no question about that.
And and to his So the point is is that
sometimes you just you know, and and and Wayne Fonts
was great about it, and and I didn't realize the
firestorm that I had created. And I went to his
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office the next day because the party was on a
Monday night, and we had Tuesday off and it was Halloween,
so we dressed up for Halloween and had this party.
And I went into his office and he said, hey,
I understand I was at a party last night. I
just want to know did I have a good time?
And I said, coach, you had the best time in
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the world. And he goes, that was hilarious and he
thought it was funny, and I just said, I just
want to know I didn't mean anything by it, and
we're all good, and he's like, oh, totally, and we were.
So people just kind of need to chill out. Can
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you just chill out for a minute, please? Is that
such a problem. Speaking of chilling out, We're going to
chill out. We're gonna take another break. Apparently there's a
rookie before we do, though, But apparently there's a rookie
Isaac Tesla, and apparently he's making noise with the Detroit Lions.
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I mean, think about this. The Detroit Lions owned by
the Ford family. They own a Tesla. Now, I just
want to know how many miles does he go before
he actually has to be recharched because he's making this.
In fact, I'll just talk about it now. So William
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clay Ford Senior owned the Detroit Lions. He was the
son of edsel Ford and the grandson of Henry Ford.
So Henry Ford's grandson owned and his family still owns
the Detroit Lions. He's passed away, so his wife Martha,
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who if you know anything, she I think she started
after William clay Ford Senior died. She started running the
team at eighty six and now her daughter runs the team.
But their their son, William clay Ford Junior, was in
line to take over when his dad decided to step
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down and said, your dad is not going to step
down until he dies, so just take a back seat. Anyways,
William clay Ford Junior the son of Senior, so he
would be the great grandson of Henry Ford or great great.
I don't know, No, he'd be great great. So his
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he's the great great grandson of Henry Ford. He when
I was with the Lions, says, Look, he just invited
me to come to his office and we became friends.
And he was awesome and I really enjoyed talking with him.
We had a lot of interests. Use massive fly fisherman.
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In fact, he owned a fly fishing rod company. Uh
and it just and and the name of the rods
was Scott by the name which his mind name, but
not not because of me. And I asked him one time,
I said, what is the biggest change that's gonna happened
in the auto industry? He says the biggest change is
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going to be electric vehicles, and he goes, but we're
not going to do it till they force us to.
And this was back in nineteen ninety five, ninety six,
and here they have a tesla on the Detroit lines.
I thought you might like to find that interesting. So
much more is interesting on our show and we return
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in the Sooners are going to sell live access to
postgame news conferences to the fans for the first game
of the season two fans will cost six hundred and
ninety two dollars against the Oklahoma Auburn game. And anyways,
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so are they only getting like two games or are
they doing this all season? So they're only doing it
for two days, So it's like the non conference games. Yeah,
you can have you can have a up close access
to the coach and to get the nitty gritty kind
of as it's happening. Of course they bring in the
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players and and you're gonna and of course you can
pay for it. And it's only two people, four two people.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, that's what's gonna cost if you want, if you
want more than three, like three or four people, is
gonna cost a lot more.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Oh so, so anyone can do this. Yes, uh are
they selling popcorn?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
It doesn't say anything about concessions. It just says that
you'll have two three seats. You'll sit in the back
of the press conference, and you'll be able to watch
the coaches and players just like you said, talk after
the game.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
So I understand the concept of like, let's have more access,
let's find ways to generate revenue, let's give people a
unique experience. One of the things that we do on
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our broadcast so I'm the color analyst for Utah football.
Is from time to time we've had people up in
the booth, and the people who come up to the
booth and watch the game go, this is the best
place to watch the game because they watch the game
and they're hearing the commentary at the same time, so
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they get a very different experience, a very unique experience.
Now people will actually listen to us during the game,
like they'll have a headset on and they'll be listening
on their ESPN seven hundred sports app or whatever. We
also play while you're in the bathroom, and I think
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that could be a life changing experience. I just can
imagine people sitting on the throne having their own personal
experience listening to me, like, Wow, I've been a lot
of places. I don't know that that's one that I
could say would want to go to, but you're never
going to miss the action. Could you imagine going to
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the bathroom and having a TV. So you close the door,
you sit down, and on the inside of the door
of the of the toilet is a television. I think
I think that the toilets would be completely full all
the time, because that's what men do, like they disappear
into the bathroom, and if you have to listen to it,
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you probably hang out for a while. But if you
had a TV, you'd be there forever. In fact, I
I build a house. It was right right when I
was right toward the end of my career in the NFL,
and it was in Florida, and I had I had
moved to Florida, and so I built building this house
and and I'm meeting with the builder and we're kind
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of going through the plans and where thing should go.
And he said, hey, you know, there's a lot of
room in where your toilet is, and would you like
me to put in a TV? And I was like,
are you kidding? Put a television in and put in
like maybe a refrigerator. If I had a television and
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a refrigerator in the bathroom in the toilet, I could
probably survive in there for weeks, as long as the
fridge was stocked. Of course. Yeah, so I knew the
right answer was no, Like, no, I couldnot put a
TV in the bathroom or in the toilet. I actually
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had a TV in the bathroom. It's actually in the mirror.
It's kind of cool. And so it was behind the mirror,
and it was just a mirror when the TV wasn't on,
but when you turned the TV on, the mirror or
the it showed through the mirror. Is a really cool thing,
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but it never it was kind of one of those
things that never really quite stuck. I've never seen it since. Anyways,
I think this is I don't I don't understand. I
don't understand Oklahoma's thinking here. I understand that the the
idea of giving people like a better experience, a cooler experience,
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whatever experience, but I don't understand the experience of being
in the press conference. It only feels to me like
everything bad could happen now if they get asked questions
or do they have to just sit there like church
mice and be quiet? I don't know. Would you know
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the answer to that, Martin? Are they do they have
to fold their arms and and behavior what what's what's
the status?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
So they would just have trying to catch my words?
They would have to be quiet. I don't think they
get to ask any questions. I think they get to
take some film and some photos if they want to.
But they're not just gonna sit there like they're in
like a courtroom and have to be quiet as part
of the as part of the group watching. I think
they I think they get to have a little fun,
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but not like in that total media access fun.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, I can. I'm just trying to think of I'm
trying to think if I was if I was like
an oil baron and I had all the money in
the world to spend on Oklahoma Athletics, would I want
to go to the post post because a lot of
times you're mad after the game, and when you're mad
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after the game and you lose, and and they there's mad,
and then there's like Oklahoma, Man, there's certain places where
they take this very serious.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I can't imagine this would be like a good idea
after the after the game against Texas, Like there would
be no way or let any them even if they
bought it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Now now, I mean, if they were trying to raise money,
it's like, Okay, you can go in the back for
six hundred dollars a person. You can go there and
sit and we'll give you popcorn and one soda. But
if you pay one thousand dollars, we'll up it to
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all you can drink soda. And maybe for those that
like alcohol will go to fifteen hundred, so you can
you can drink a beer if you get to a
fifteen hundred. Now, if you go to five thousand dollars,
we'll let you ask a question, but you have to
but well we'll get to you have to submit the
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question and then we'll read it to the coach and
it will be the first question that's asked of the coach.
I like that. And if you go to ten thousand dollars,
we'll let you interview the players and you can ask
you can ask one question of each player who's there
and the coach, and for twenty thousand dollars you can
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say whatever you want. You can you can say whatever
you want. Maybe you have to go to fifty and
and so that fan who's just you know, because because
because they it's just silly money. It's throwing me and
why not and and just tell the coach, look, it's
for a good cause. We're getting money in here for
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your nil deals. So speaking of nil deals anyway, I
think it's silly. The whole thing about having a fan
come to a PRES conference. It's like just listen to
it on the radio or watching television. You're not going
to miss it, like they want people to hear all
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this stuff. It's not like secret, you know. Now, if
it's like going into the locker room and hearing the
pregame and the post games beats from the coach, that's
that is interesting. But this this is not interesting. Uh.
But but speaking of nil so, the white the running
back from UH from USC who transferred to Texas Tech
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and he was one of the high profile UH transfers
that that came to Texas Tech was injured. He's out gone.
And as I saw this, I'm like, whew. I'm just
telling you, being in in the high stakes game of
buying players in the nil is is a frightful experience
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for this very reason, Like you are putting this crazy
money and again this is oil money. Just so Texas
Tech is oil money. And they got a guy who's
made a grundle of money who's throwing it at Texas
Tech football. And they went out and and they bought
the best recruits in the country and they're already down
a man and they haven't even started the season. And
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that's to me that that's just the scariest possible thing
you could have happened in the world because like, we
got him here, but we can't keep him healthy for
you know, and if you have one guy go down,
what are the dominoes that happened because of that? Because
so so right now, did they have a backup running back?
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Do they have anyone who's any good? Because maybe the
guy who was halfway decent at Texas Tech goes, well, shoot,
you guys are gone out and replaced me, So I'm
gonna go somewhere else. So the guy that was there
is now not there, and it's a different story. Maurice
Jones Drew I interviewed him and he was talking about
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his son, and he says, you know, more and more
of these players are like it's it's uh, it's more
about finding the right fit and situation for you. And
he used this phrase which I absolutely love. He says,
compete to play, compete to stay, So compete to get
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a spot, and then once you get your spot, don't
let anyone else have it. And I love that whole concept.
College football man is right around the corner. The NFL
is right around the corner, and I could not be
more excited. And these are the kinds of stories I'm
fascinated with. This, This whole concept of of these players
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who have been bought and the players who stay, because
on the on the other side of it, you have
arch Manning and his grandpa's just laughing, going arch Manning
should not be considered for the Heisman Trophies to play
three games and talking about him going to the NFL.
He's only played three games. And this is from a
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guy who's had you know, two form sons who are
Hall of Fame type players, won multiple Super Bowls, and
they're like, they're competing to stay, and I just you know,
it's one of those things where if Texas Tech goes
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to the let's just say they win, they win the conference,
and let's say they go to the college football playoffs
and let's say they get to the championship game or
they get to who knows where they get. Then then
everyone's gonna go like it's gonna be a free for all.
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And in to some degree it kind of is a
free for all. I mean, you look at Ohio State.
Ohio State goes, now, we're not going to go out
and get a quarterback. They did, they got a quarterback before,
and maybe they like the guys they have. Maybe people
are realizing the grass isn't greener, it's a better deal
to stay. I'm still you know, and and you have
to wonder if this house settlement has something to do
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with it. There's money here. My payday is not is
not college football. And if you're a player that goes, well,
I'm not going to make it in the pros, then
you probably shouldn't be getting paid a lot nil money anyways,
because it's really kind of that superstar player. So this
will be intriguing, fascinating, and it's already kind of crumbling
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He hellos, sports fans, welcome on in. It is the
Down and Dirty with Scott Mitchell here on ESPN seven
hundred and ninety two one FM, Proud to be a
part of ESPN's Utah Radio network. I'm so happy to
be here. Oh my goodness. I'm just telling you I
love this every day, and I know I love to
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tell you that I love this every day, and I
appreciate you tuning in. We have some great stuff to
talk about. I'm telling you as I sat through this,
this is this is news. This is a discussion that
will impact sports in the state of Utah for decades,
for eons of time. This is a huge, huge deal
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that's going to happen, and it's all about baseball. But
we've got all your football stuff, we got all your
other sports stuff. We're going to talk about it. We're
going to pontificate, We're going to laugh, we're gonna cry,
We're going to go on a ride that you will
love and enjoy. So let's let's I just have to
get into this. Rob Manfred, who is, of course, the
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commissioner of Major League Baseball, had a discussion with the
New York Post and he talked about massive changes in
the historic alignment of baseball that's been around for one
hundred and forty eight years, and he wants to turn
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it on its ear. He wants to just flip it
right upside down and land right on its head. And
what he said and what he's realized is that people
are interested in baseball. There is an interest, and I
believe there is. I believe there's a resurgence in baseball,
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and a lot of it. I believe is is so
many players, and there's just some dynamic players in baseball
doing incredible things. Uh none, none less than Shoheotani, who
I think just kind of thumbed his nose at everyone
and just said, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna
be both. Now it looks like he's maybe being just
(02:24):
one right now, but he shows up with the Dodgers,
they win a World championship, and all is right with
the world and it's not just him. There's just there's
tons of tons of players in Major League Baseball that
are that are doing phenomenal things, and it's interesting. But
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here's what Rob Manfred said that's gonna change the absolute
course of sports in the state of Utah. He said,
I want to change the alignment of baseball to be
a geographic layout. And he essentially said, I want the
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East and I want the West, and in order to
do that, we need to expand so that we have
the right number of teams in the East and in
the West. And he specifically said Salt Lake City as
the team in the West and Nashville is the team
in the East. And when I read this, I immediately thought,
(03:35):
all right, these the Millers are not dumb people. Ryan
Smith is not a dumb person. And by that what
I mean is they don't go counting their chickens before
they're hatched. So the Miller family doesn't have this big production,
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this big you to do, having renderings drawn of a ballpark,
meeting in the area where the ballpark is going to go,
publicly coming out and saying we want to bring baseball
to Salt Lake City. They've already brought baseball to Salt
Lake City. It's just a formality at this point. They
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don't they don't go through that song and dance. They don't.
They don't get out there, and they don't go Look,
I want to look stupid, So I'm gonna I'm gonna
do this hair brained, you know. Oh well, we'll bring
baseball here, you know, we'll we'll we'll actually go out
and blasso the moon and we'll pull it right into Utah.
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They don't say something that's outlandish and just saying it's
never going to happen. They say it after it's happened.
You know that there's been who knows countless hours of
discussion between the Miller's and Major League Baseball about bringing
them here. I would venture to say it would be
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part of why the Bees are no longer near downtown
Salt Lake. I'm sure that has something to do with it.
I'm sure that the Miller said, look, we've got this
lovely community out here called Daybreak, let's put our a
little baseball team out here, which I've been out to
Bees games. Wonderful, wonderful facility. They got to work on
the parking. Okay, I'm just you know, I don't want
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to be critical, but it was like, there's so much
freaking land out here. How come it's so hard to park?
Can't we just park like in this vacant field that's
two seconds? Like, what's the big deal? Anyways, there's follow
the science, follow the parking agent. Nonetheless, none of this
is happening unless they know something. And again I'm speculating here,
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but I'm reading the tea leaves. That's my job. My
job is to provide insight, opinion, and perspective on the
things that are happening in sports. And this is the
way I'm seeing it because because Rob Manfred came right
out and said, Salt Lake City said, we're geographically aligning this.
And here's the exciting part. My term, this is what
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Rob Manfred said, is up in twenty twenty nine, and
I want this done before I'm out. So what he
wants to do is geographically align the teams. And it's fairly,
you know, fairly consistent. And the part of the main
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part is that they want to maximize the visibility to fans.
And when you have a game, excuse me on the
West coast, folks in the East don't watch it. But
folks in the West will and if you create these relationships,
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these rivalries, these divisions geographically, you create a stronger interest
in what's going to happen. If you look at hockey,
there's the potential of you've got Colorado, you have Las Vegas,
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you have Seattle, you have Utah, and and there's a
nice and you have La and you have a nice
little pocket of potentially amazing hockey rivalries just because of
the geography of everything. So it's really important for us
as sports fans to start hating Las Vegas and Denver
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and La and Seattle in the sports world, you know,
not in the regular world, but they they you know,
and we're not there yet, but it'll be fun when
we get there. And and just these natural geographic rivalries
is a good thing now right now today. If this
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was the case, so if if you had a baseball
team in Salt Lake City, they wouldn't be the worst
team in Major League Baseball. You could beat the Rockies
because the Rockies so horrible. So it's it's not a
question of you know, like like we could start out
not being in the basement because I have no idea.
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Well it's not true. I was in Florida when the
Florida Marlins were were created, and they actually played in
our football stadium, which was weird. Uh, and it and
it was it was awful because baseball dirt in a
(08:44):
wet climate like Miami, it makes for muddy games. And
if you've ever if you've ever played on a baseball
field on football, it is no, it's not good. Like
I'm just it's not good. Uh. And if anyone tells
you it's not a big deal, it's it is a
big deal. In fact, they had a celebrity softball game
(09:06):
so that all the Miami Dolphin players play. I don't
know who we played. And one of our offensive linemen
is in a softball game hit a home run out
of out of which is what's now hard rock stick,
And I mean he hit that ball so far it
was insane. So what you have and what you have
to look forward to. And in a short period of time,
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we're halfway through, more than halfway through twenty twenty five,
So if I do my Springville, Utah math, we're three
and a half years from Rob Manfred's end of term
as Commissioner of Major League Baseball, So we're at the
most three and a half years from baseball being in
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Salt Lake City, which is not a long way away,
and for Rob Manfred to come out publicly. Again, people
don't talk about these things publicly unless it's a it's
a four drawn conclusion. Part of the part of the
letting the cat out of the bag is to also
(10:10):
kind of gauge your argument, Right, so, where are we weak?
Let's like, we're gonna bring We're gonna bring baseball here.
We know we are. So let's find out the hurdles
we have to overcome when we announce this. And maybe
there aren't hurdles. Maybe there are people that everyone's just like,
(10:32):
heck yes. And so I'm sitting here trying to think
in my brain, what is the hurdle? What is the
hurdle to Major League Baseball coming to Salt Lake City?
And the hurdle really is it's about the infrastructure. It's
about the structure of the team and putting all of
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that into place and into play. And like I said,
I think I think when they what look, it's not
like bees have had iteration. They were the goals, they
were the trappers, they were They've been a lot of
different things. But what they've been is popular. They've been
an extremely popular team. There's clearly and and and that's
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really why I think baseball's coming here. Well, there's a
lot of reasons, but clearly there's a there's a an
interest in baseball, and there's an affection for the Bees.
And I'm one of those people. Like one of the
things that I have enjoyed the most is a nice,
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lovely summer evening sitting in that ballpark at least you know,
uh smith Field, and it's the same at daybreak, but
you look at the mountains and it's just a it's
just a beautiful you know, it's just the sun's down,
very comfortable temperature, and there's just something about that. There's
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something about baseball that just clicks here in Utah, and
it's been that way. So that's the hurdle. That's one
of the hurdles to me, is people going, we love
our bees and you're just gonna throw them out like
use trash. And and so the miller said, no, we're not.
We'll build a new stadium for them. Well, we'll have
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a nice, lovely soft landing spot. Now, now mind you,
we're gonna build a stadium like right, next to Kennacock Copper, Like,
if we could build it in the copper mind, could
you imagine could you imagine the stadium seating, because you've
seen it's a big it's a big amphitheater. Basically, is
what what the inside the mind looks like? Oh man,
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could you have an event there? Everyone probably died from
toxic poisoning, but but for one night only, we would
have an event. And so they said, well, we'll we'll
we won't destroy the bees, we'll just move the beehive,
but we're gonna move it as far away as we
possibly can't. So it's going it's going out by the mine.
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Now we have this little community that we bought out here,
and it's just it'll be a fun toy that we
can we can put out here, but we want to
get it as far away from our new place as
we possibly can. And I'm sure that that wasn't by chance,
that any of none of this stuff happens by chance.
People go and they sit in these meeting rooms, in
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their war rooms, and they and they in their planning rooms,
and they go, Okay, what we've announced this now? What
are what are the arrows? What are the complaints. What
are we getting. So you're going to have the city,
and the city's going to go, well, this is what
we want to have, and you've got to deal with
all the city, and then you've got to find the land.
And where do you find enough land? I mean, think
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about think about the Oakland Athletics going to Las Vegas,
and everyone was like, oh, that's a done deal. It's
an easy thing. And then there was some discussion, well
maybe they'll come to Utah, maybe though, and Major League
Baseball said, no, we don't. We need another team. We're
changing our whole structure of our league. We need another team.
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And so all of this stuff, I'm just telling you.
When I saw this last night, I'm like, this is
the biggest freaking news that could possibly happen here in
the state of you. Though there's just nothing about it
that speaks like it's some pipe dream or it'll never happen,
or it's going to happen way down the road. It's happening, folks,
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and it's happening relatively soon. Now another reason. And you
can take this for whatever you want it. You can
take it as a good thing, you can take it
as a bad thing. Take it however you want. But
Utah is an amazing place to live. And it's one
of those things that's no longer a secret. We are vibrant,
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we are productive, we are beautiful, we are appealing. We
have an educated workforce, we have a workforce, we have infrastructure,
we have a very strong economy. And those are things
also that you need, and baseball needs and everyone needs
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in order for things to thrive, and and and that
I'm sure they look at like the success of hockey.
And I would say that in its first year, uh,
hockey has been massively successful. I think it will only
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get better. I I as much as I'm pained by
the Utah Jazz, I believe it will get better. And
and what what begins to happen is you all of
us and start being recognized as a sports city. And
it brings massive attention. Now it's going to bring bad
stuff too, just does but Utah, and it's part of
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why I'm doing this show. I bet on sports. I
bet on sports in Utah, and and it looks like
that bet is paying off for everyone in a big way.
So what you're going to have now is you're going
to have a baseball team you're going to have a
hockey team, a basketball team. RSL. Fine, I'll throw them
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in there. They're fourth. But now now the conversation changes
dramatically in the State of Utah. It's it just shifts.
It just shifts from a little, small market team, small
market city to a legitimate sports venue. It happened in
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Las Vegas. You know, of course, football is king, the
football is life. It's all those things. But you're you're
right there. One thing you do have and you will have,
and which will be another attraction, is you will have
the Olympics in twenty thirty four, and you're gonna be
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You're gonna be in the midst of probably somewhere along
the line you've won a championship or two or three
or four. By then, you're recognized as a serious sports
market in the country. You have a strong and vibrant economy,
a beautiful there's no place in the world, and I've
been everywhere in the world, but I have seen the
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world to a degree, and there's no place like Utah.
I mean, really, that should be the logo of the
state of youth. There's no place like Utah. Period. It's
an incredible thing. So as I as I got up
this morning and as I saw this or last night,
I could not wait to talk about it today. And
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I've said this before about sports, but it's a real thing,
and I really, in my heart of hearts believe that
that it's happening. Baseball is coming and big time sports
is coming to Utah, and sports not only and all
it means people. It's really simple. You're just part of
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the national conversation. It changes how people view you. It
changes You're not flown over. You're not looked at as
kind of a weird, peculiar place anymore, which isn't a
bad thing. But you're the the nation, and the eyes
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they will be for some time. Well, right now I
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the NFL News of Notes is right around the corner.
This is the Down and Dirty with Scott Mitchell here
on ESPN seven hundred ninety two one.
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Already, of course, let's go. This is it down in
dirty with Scott Mitchell here on ESPN seven hundred ninety
two one FM. So glad that you could be a
part of what we're doing here. Crazy stuff. I was
talking about Major League Baseball and realigning geographically so that
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they can get better viewership and better rivalries. And they're
upending the Apple cart and they're changing things around. And
they mentioned Salt Lake City. They need to have expansion
and they like Salt Lake City, and why not? What's
not to light? All right? So it's the NFL News
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of Notes. It's that time where we talk specifically about,
you know, the thing that matter most, and that's the NFL.
NFL is King Queen, Prince Princess, and it's the joker.
The football gods, just so you know, sometimes are mean,
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they are not nice. And the reason that football is
unkind sometimes is because the football is not round like baseball.
Has it easy because the ball is round. Soccer basketball,
you have a it's predictable, it's easy, it's not hard
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because you kind of know baseball or football. It's oblong,
even even rugby or Ozzie rules football. It's there's a
roundness to the oblong ball. It does bounce easier and
better football. No, So if you don't do it right
and you don't hit it right, it bounces odd. And
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that's the cruelness of football. It is. It is a horrible, terrible,
awful thing at times. And but let's talk a little
bit about some of the terrible awful things that are
happening or good. It doesn't matter. So cincinnatve be defensive
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and Trey Hendrickson is not budgeting, so he's trying to
get a deal done with the Bengals, and he's like,
I don't care. I'm I I I stand my ground.
I stand my ground in the world of professional football today,
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because it's all about if you stand your ground, it
just means you're going to lose money right now, and
and it also means that you know you may not
get it back. A lot of guys who stand their ground.
I'm not sure how well it works out for him.
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And and it's a it's a cool thing in the
sense that your worth is only as much as people
are willing to pay. So it doesn't matter what you
think of yourself because you're not the one writing the check.
So somehow, some way, and in some situation, you've got
to figure out how to create your worth. And in a
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lot of situations, I I think it's harder. I really
think it's harder to sit out. I really don't know
how much you really win by by sitting out, and
and especially in today's world where you can get paid significantly,
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and I know people are like, but I want to
be paid the most, and I'm the best player, and
I get everyone's ego gets involved and they get agents,
and everyone just says, you know, you you need to
realize this is a lot of money, and and we
you know, you'd be foolish to not take it because
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the finds today the money is high, but the fines
for sitting out are are crazy and and the loss
of game checks is insane. And the owners know this,
so the owners just go fine, sit out. In fact,
I think in my whole time, my whole time in
the NFL, I think there was only there was only
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one circumstance where you go, oh yeah, it worked out,
and that was EMMITTT. Smith. And I want to say
it was maybe ninety two ninety three somewhere are there,
and and Emmittt's saying, dude, pay me, and Jerry Jones says, man,
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I'm not gonna pay you right now because I just
I'm just not you just you're asking too much money
from me. And Emmett says, I am Emmett Smith. Pay me.
And he sat out, and the Cowboys started losing the season,
and people were you think, they said, pay Micah, pay Emmett.
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There there's a there's a question for you if you
had your choice between Emmitt Smith or Micah Parsons, who
you're gonna pay. I know who I'm gonna pay. I'm
gonna pay Ammon Smith. Emmitt Smith, Emma smith Man would
be would be running back number one for me if
I'm if, if I'm in, if I'm in the era
of running backs in the NFL, EMITTT. Smith is number
one for me, and I played with Barry Sanders, I
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would take Emmitt Smith. But emmittt is the only one
I saw who held out that actually helped him out.
And he and and and uh and now it helped
that the team lost because then and and guess what
happened when Emmitt Smith came back. They want they went
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on and won the Super Bowl. And I want to say,
Emmitt Smith might have been the m v P. Martin
you can look that up maybe, and but but it
was one of those the player was definitely right in
that situation. Most of the time, all it takes is
a week or so and you lose that game check
and you realize, you know, these guys are making I
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don't know, twenty million dollars a year, and so the
check is over a million dollars a week, and all
of a sudden, you go, oh, I don't have a
million dollars, Like I didn't get it. I didn't get
my million dollars this week. That's what I mean. It's
just it's it's crazy. It's even though it's not the
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very best deal, it's an insanely good deal because the
money is so and maybe we're just maybe we're just
so jaded as as people that we just like, well, yeah,
but my you know, I know I'm getting twenty five
million dollars a year, but I want to get thirty
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and I don't know. Now, back in a time when
the money was very different, it's just stupid money. Now,
and I I just I just you know, maybe you
make a compromise and you just signed for one year.
Just go, I'll just play for a year. I'll play
this year and and then and then let's see where
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we are in a year. But I I it's a
scary proposition to hold out. I mean, and and I
get it because the players go, look, I only have
so many, you know, days left in my career, and
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I know that as soon as I'm bad, they're gonna
they're gonna ask me to take a pay cut. They're
gonna cut me. And so what when I'm of no
use to them, They're gonna be happy to get rid
of me. But they're also going to say, look, we've
this is why we paid you, and that's what we're
gonna do. And that's it. And and and so the
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contracts aren't they're just they're better. There's tons better, but
they're not they're not tilted to the player. And if
you were to ask me why that's the case, go
talk to your very corrupt NFL Players Association. I mean,
I mean, really, I mean, that's that's where because the
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NFLPA has always had the position of we're not interested
in the players. We're interested in the superstars. We're going
to take care of the superstars, which the league does
and happy to do because they know that, you know,
having Patrick Mahomes popular and having you know, Aaron Rodgers
create all this stuff and just all all the names
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of professional football out there. I don't know why I
picked Aaron, but Aaron Rodgers moves the needle, and those
guys get taken care of, and they always will. But
you know, someone like Trey Hendrickson, who's just on the
border of being one of those players, probably isn't going
to get taken care of. Now here's here's kind of
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I don't I don't know about this. So cam Ward
first pick in the draft. Uh, he imitated defensive tackle
Jerry Simmons like I guess dance right, and it created
(30:24):
a scuffle amongst the team and I and here here,
here's where the NFL used to be fun. And I've
talked about the locker room and what it's like in
a you know, the locker room is just a place.
It's amazing place, but it's also a place where you
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can kind of you can kind of joke, and if
you don't have thick skin about things, and if you
if you take things super personal, h then you things
like this are gonna happen. But if you can't just
kind of roll with the punches and go, oh, that
was funny. You know, I get it. That was that
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was funny. Okay, you're making fun of me, right like it.
I love it. It's awesome. And but people don't. They
get too bent out of shape. You can't say anything anymore,
you can't offend anyone anymore. Everyone's uptight. If you remember
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The Titans, did you remember the movie? Remember the Titans,
and and they do your mama jokes in the in
the movie and how the one guy gets hold and
then he realizes this is not a serious thing. Part
of why people do this is there's there's immense pressure
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that's there and it's really I don't know if you
want to call it coping mechanism, but it's it's a
way of saying blowing off steams just kind of it
just kind of joke about people. Whether it's rookie shows
and they do invitations of it. It's just a thing.
I actually was at a team party for Halloween and
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I dressed up like my football coach Wayne Funds. I
didn't know that there was going to be a news
camera there. So one of our players did a sports
show on the news and and so they interviewed me,
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and I was just being silly. Well it was taken
completely out of context and thought that I was making
fun of my coach and belittling him and being disrespectful,
and everyone actually thought I was drunk, which I've never
had a drink in my life, which people knew and know,
and they're like, he's fallen off the wagon, look at
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he's lost his mind. And I was just being I
was just I was just doing what we normally did,
and that's make fun of each other. My coach typically
wore sweats to practice every day, and he always had
a cigar, so he's always smoking a cigar, wore sweats,
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and then he did this make a Wish Foundation and
they uh, and he put on Mickey Mouse ears because
this this person wanted to come to Detroit Lions practice
and go to Disney World and so they you know,
and and it's for terminal the old Children's very kind
thing that they do. And of course he has the
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mouse ears on and and the press, in their cruelness,
said he's a Mickey Mouse coach, meaning he's a joke,
and so they take a picture of him, and they,
you know, use the caption Mickey Mouse coach, and and
so he would was kind of known for having Mickey
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Mouse ears. So I put on Mickey Mouse ears. I
put on sweats and I had a cigar that I
was holding in my hand, and and okay, and I
put a pillow underneath the sweatshirt. So it made me look,
you know, because he wasn't in the greatest of shape.
And look, I'm not either now. But then, you know,
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it's a different story. Clearly everyone knew who I was
that was on the team. There was no question about that.
And and to his So the point is is that
sometimes you just you know, and and and Wayne Fonts
was great about it, and and I didn't realize the
firestorm that I had created. And I went to his
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office the next day because the party was on a
Monday night, and we had Tuesday off and it was Halloween,
so we dressed up for Halloween and had this party.
And I went into his office and he said, hey,
I understand I was at a party last night. I
just want to know did I have a good time?
And I said, coach, you had the best time in
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the world. And he goes, that was hilarious and he
thought it was funny, and I just said, I just
want to know I didn't mean anything by it, and
we're all good, and he's like, oh, totally, and we were.
So people just kind of need to chill out. Can
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you just chill out for a minute, please? Is that
such a problem. Speaking of chilling out, We're going to
chill out. We're gonna take another break. Apparently there's a
rookie before we do, though, But apparently there's a rookie
Isaac Tesla, and apparently he's making noise with the Detroit Lions.
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I mean, think about this. The Detroit Lions owned by
the Ford family. They own a Tesla. Now, I just
want to know how many miles does he go before
he actually has to be recharched because he's making this.
In fact, I'll just talk about it now. So William
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clay Ford Senior owned the Detroit Lions. He was the
son of edsel Ford and the grandson of Henry Ford.
So Henry Ford's grandson owned and his family still owns
the Detroit Lions. He's passed away, so his wife Martha,
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who if you know anything, she I think she started
after William clay Ford Senior died. She started running the
team at eighty six and now her daughter runs the team.
But their their son, William clay Ford Junior, was in
line to take over when his dad decided to step
(36:58):
down and said, your dad is not going to step
down until he dies, so just take a back seat. Anyways,
William clay Ford Junior the son of Senior, so he
would be the great grandson of Henry Ford or great great.
I don't know, No, he'd be great great. So his
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he's the great great grandson of Henry Ford. He when
I was with the Lions, says, Look, he just invited
me to come to his office and we became friends.
And he was awesome and I really enjoyed talking with him.
We had a lot of interests. Use massive fly fisherman.
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In fact, he owned a fly fishing rod company. Uh
and it just and and the name of the rods
was Scott by the name which his mind name, but
not not because of me. And I asked him one time,
I said, what is the biggest change that's gonna happened
in the auto industry? He says the biggest change is
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going to be electric vehicles, and he goes, but we're
not going to do it till they force us to.
And this was back in nineteen ninety five, ninety six,
and here they have a tesla on the Detroit lines.
I thought you might like to find that interesting. So
much more is interesting on our show and we return
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in the Sooners are going to sell live access to
postgame news conferences to the fans for the first game
of the season two fans will cost six hundred and
ninety two dollars against the Oklahoma Auburn game. And anyways,
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so are they only getting like two games or are
they doing this all season? So they're only doing it
for two days, So it's like the non conference games. Yeah,
you can have you can have a up close access
to the coach and to get the nitty gritty kind
of as it's happening. Of course they bring in the
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players and and you're gonna and of course you can
pay for it. And it's only two people, four two people.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, that's what's gonna cost if you want, if you
want more than three, like three or four people, is
gonna cost a lot more.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Oh so, so anyone can do this. Yes, uh are
they selling popcorn?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
It doesn't say anything about concessions. It just says that
you'll have two three seats. You'll sit in the back
of the press conference, and you'll be able to watch
the coaches and players just like you said, talk after
the game.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
So I understand the concept of like, let's have more access,
let's find ways to generate revenue, let's give people a
unique experience. One of the things that we do on
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our broadcast so I'm the color analyst for Utah football.
Is from time to time we've had people up in
the booth, and the people who come up to the
booth and watch the game go, this is the best
place to watch the game because they watch the game
and they're hearing the commentary at the same time, so
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they get a very different experience, a very unique experience.
Now people will actually listen to us during the game,
like they'll have a headset on and they'll be listening
on their ESPN seven hundred sports app or whatever. We
also play while you're in the bathroom, and I think
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that could be a life changing experience. I just can
imagine people sitting on the throne having their own personal
experience listening to me, like, Wow, I've been a lot
of places. I don't know that that's one that I
could say would want to go to, but you're never
going to miss the action. Could you imagine going to
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the bathroom and having a TV. So you close the door,
you sit down, and on the inside of the door
of the of the toilet is a television. I think
I think that the toilets would be completely full all
the time, because that's what men do, like they disappear
into the bathroom, and if you have to listen to it,
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you probably hang out for a while. But if you
had a TV, you'd be there forever. In fact, I
I build a house. It was right right when I
was right toward the end of my career in the NFL,
and it was in Florida, and I had I had
moved to Florida, and so I built building this house
and and I'm meeting with the builder and we're kind
(43:57):
of going through the plans and where thing should go.
And he said, hey, you know, there's a lot of
room in where your toilet is, and would you like
me to put in a TV? And I was like,
are you kidding? Put a television in and put in
like maybe a refrigerator. If I had a television and
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a refrigerator in the bathroom in the toilet, I could
probably survive in there for weeks, as long as the
fridge was stocked. Of course. Yeah, so I knew the
right answer was no, Like, no, I couldnot put a
TV in the bathroom or in the toilet. I actually
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had a TV in the bathroom. It's actually in the mirror.
It's kind of cool. And so it was behind the mirror,
and it was just a mirror when the TV wasn't on,
but when you turned the TV on, the mirror or
the it showed through the mirror. Is a really cool thing,
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but it never it was kind of one of those
things that never really quite stuck. I've never seen it since. Anyways,
I think this is I don't I don't understand. I
don't understand Oklahoma's thinking here. I understand that the the
idea of giving people like a better experience, a cooler experience,
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whatever experience, but I don't understand the experience of being
in the press conference. It only feels to me like
everything bad could happen now if they get asked questions
or do they have to just sit there like church
mice and be quiet? I don't know. Would you know
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the answer to that, Martin? Are they do they have
to fold their arms and and behavior what what's what's
the status?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
So they would just have trying to catch my words?
They would have to be quiet. I don't think they
get to ask any questions. I think they get to
take some film and some photos if they want to.
But they're not just gonna sit there like they're in
like a courtroom and have to be quiet as part
of the as part of the group watching. I think
they I think they get to have a little fun,
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but not like in that total media access fun.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, I can. I'm just trying to think of I'm
trying to think if I was if I was like
an oil baron and I had all the money in
the world to spend on Oklahoma Athletics, would I want
to go to the post post because a lot of
times you're mad after the game, and when you're mad
(46:43):
after the game and you lose, and and they there's mad,
and then there's like Oklahoma, Man, there's certain places where
they take this very serious.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I can't imagine this would be like a good idea
after the after the game against Texas, Like there would
be no way or let any them even if they
bought it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Now now, I mean, if they were trying to raise money,
it's like, Okay, you can go in the back for
six hundred dollars a person. You can go there and
sit and we'll give you popcorn and one soda. But
if you pay one thousand dollars, we'll up it to
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all you can drink soda. And maybe for those that
like alcohol will go to fifteen hundred, so you can
you can drink a beer if you get to a
fifteen hundred. Now, if you go to five thousand dollars,
we'll let you ask a question, but you have to
but well we'll get to you have to submit the
(47:46):
question and then we'll read it to the coach and
it will be the first question that's asked of the coach.
I like that. And if you go to ten thousand dollars,
we'll let you interview the players and you can ask
you can ask one question of each player who's there
and the coach, and for twenty thousand dollars you can
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say whatever you want. You can you can say whatever
you want. Maybe you have to go to fifty and
and so that fan who's just you know, because because
because they it's just silly money. It's throwing me and
why not and and just tell the coach, look, it's
for a good cause. We're getting money in here for
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your nil deals. So speaking of nil deals anyway, I
think it's silly. The whole thing about having a fan
come to a PRES conference. It's like just listen to
it on the radio or watching television. You're not going
to miss it, like they want people to hear all
(48:53):
this stuff. It's not like secret, you know. Now, if
it's like going into the locker room and hearing the
pregame and the post games beats from the coach, that's
that is interesting. But this this is not interesting. Uh.
But but speaking of nil so, the white the running
back from UH from USC who transferred to Texas Tech
(49:19):
and he was one of the high profile UH transfers
that that came to Texas Tech was injured. He's out gone.
And as I saw this, I'm like, whew. I'm just
telling you, being in in the high stakes game of
buying players in the nil is is a frightful experience
(49:44):
for this very reason, Like you are putting this crazy
money and again this is oil money. Just so Texas
Tech is oil money. And they got a guy who's
made a grundle of money who's throwing it at Texas
Tech football. And they went out and and they bought
the best recruits in the country and they're already down
a man and they haven't even started the season. And
(50:07):
that's to me that that's just the scariest possible thing
you could have happened in the world because like, we
got him here, but we can't keep him healthy for
you know, and if you have one guy go down,
what are the dominoes that happened because of that? Because
so so right now, did they have a backup running back?
(50:29):
Do they have anyone who's any good? Because maybe the
guy who was halfway decent at Texas Tech goes, well, shoot,
you guys are gone out and replaced me, So I'm
gonna go somewhere else. So the guy that was there
is now not there, and it's a different story. Maurice
Jones Drew I interviewed him and he was talking about
(50:51):
his son, and he says, you know, more and more
of these players are like it's it's uh, it's more
about finding the right fit and situation for you. And
he used this phrase which I absolutely love. He says,
compete to play, compete to stay, So compete to get
(51:13):
a spot, and then once you get your spot, don't
let anyone else have it. And I love that whole concept.
College football man is right around the corner. The NFL
is right around the corner, and I could not be
more excited. And these are the kinds of stories I'm
fascinated with. This, This whole concept of of these players
(51:37):
who have been bought and the players who stay, because
on the on the other side of it, you have
arch Manning and his grandpa's just laughing, going arch Manning
should not be considered for the Heisman Trophies to play
three games and talking about him going to the NFL.
He's only played three games. And this is from a
(51:57):
guy who's had you know, two form sons who are
Hall of Fame type players, won multiple Super Bowls, and
they're like, they're competing to stay, and I just you know,
it's one of those things where if Texas Tech goes
(52:19):
to the let's just say they win, they win the conference,
and let's say they go to the college football playoffs
and let's say they get to the championship game or
they get to who knows where they get. Then then
everyone's gonna go like it's gonna be a free for all.
(52:40):
And in to some degree it kind of is a
free for all. I mean, you look at Ohio State.
Ohio State goes, now, we're not going to go out
and get a quarterback. They did, they got a quarterback before,
and maybe they like the guys they have. Maybe people
are realizing the grass isn't greener, it's a better deal
to stay. I'm still you know, and and you have
to wonder if this house settlement has something to do
(53:02):
with it. There's money here. My payday is not is
not college football. And if you're a player that goes, well,
I'm not going to make it in the pros, then
you probably shouldn't be getting paid a lot nil money anyways,
because it's really kind of that superstar player. So this
will be intriguing, fascinating, and it's already kind of crumbling
(53:22):
a little bit. But who knows where tex sticking in
Utah's Utah's first conference game. So right out of the gates,
we're going to find out who Texas Tech is. Right now,
we're going to find out about an incredible thing that
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