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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Sportsman, welcome on.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
We all know what podcasts are. I like to think
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We're a program, We're not a podcast. Podcast sounds like
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Darth Vader. Don't give into the force the dark side.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I am your father. Anyways, you can tell I'm in
a weird mood.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Today, we had our kickoff for the Utah Football by
the Way at the ESPN headquarters the Air Broadway Media.
A lot of fun, fun to see some of our
sponsors and some of.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The legendary people that are Utah Football.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Of course, Ron McBride was there and he was given
some lowdown on on the team and where it's where
it's headed this year, and we're just a few weeks
away from the start of the college football season. College
football is interesting when they start the season, by the way,
and it's interesting from this point of view.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
They are.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They have good games like Week one. Typically there's somebody,
I mean, I mean number one in three are playing
each other. Texas is going to Ohio State Texas number one,
Ohio State three right off the right off the bat,
and then for whatever reason, the season goes into a
little bit of the doldrums. Utah same thing, They're going
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to the Rose Bowl, and there's all it's always fun
to go.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't care. You know, everyone says, oh no, it's different.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's it's different, and it is different when you're at
the Rose Bowl and the actual Rose Bowl game and
all that, and that's it's a cool that's a cool game.
It's just cool to be a part of that. But
the Rose Bowl in and of itself is just whenever
you go, even if it's the first week of the
year or the middle of October, it's a cool place
to go play. So Utah plays there, right, that's that's
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that's the game, and that's exciting. It's Nico imala Avea
is this new hot recruit who came from Tennessee and
he's a quarterback. And we'll see where where all that goes.
And of course Utah has maybe a little less heralded
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quarterback and Devin dan Pier nonetheless a new one and
they're all going to be on display for the first
time in the Rose Bowl. How fun is that? It's
very cool? But here's the problem. Then they're sweep too,
and it's like, oh my goodness, really, and from a
fan perspective, you're like, nah, not so I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Martin. What's it? What's the opponent? Is it cal poly Tech? Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
The second?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Oh so I got it right, Cal poly Tech? Is
it poly Tech? Right, it's not so.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Just forget about the tech part.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, the tech is it's an abbreviation of Polytech, poly Tech.
What is Poly's like many multiple, A lot of technical
things going on.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I believe you so well. Football is not going on there.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Okay, I think Utah could start a high school team
would probably be poly Tech. But so you go from
a former Pac twelve opponent now in the Big ten
at the Rose.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
BOWLT to Cal Poly.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
How lame is that from a football stand Because because
the coaches are like, no, this is really good, we
like this. We don't we don't want tough opponents all
day long in our non conference and everyone the reason
everyone does this is they want this kind of strength
of schedule. They want to you know, they want to
create interest early. There's a lot of reasons. That's why
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they have these big games the first week and then
they go back to their their cow Poly's, their you
know whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
School.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Now here's the one that has my head scratching, and
I I feel like I'm going to be sick. That week,
I'm I think I'm going to take a personal day.
And uh, I just it's too much drama, too much pressure.
I can't handle it. I'm just not cut out for
that kind of thing. And so I need to take
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a personal day. And uh that's because Utah is going
to Laramie, Wyoming. Like, I'm curious, Martin, have you ever
been to Laramie, Wyoming?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, you should come with.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Me then road trip and to Laramie.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I'm down for man, I'm down for Laramie.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I believe on game day becomes the largest city and
it used to anyways, the largest city in Wyoming. And
people from Wyoming, bless their hearts, they are a they're
a proud people.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's a huge.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
State, beautiful state for the most part, very sparsely populated though,
and Laramie is just not a pleasant place to go.
And so here you have this Utah from the Big Twelve,
one of the powerful conferences, descending below and bequeathing the
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Kingdom of the Peasants with its presence for a week.
That's what's going to happen. Nothing goes on, nothing good
goes on in Laramie, Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
In fact, there was a there was a heated contest
between the University of Utah and coach Whittingham and the
Utes and a lot of bad blood. And of course
they were in the same conference for years. Wyoming was
one of our conference foes, and there have been times
Wyoming's been pretty good. Now, Josh Allen went to Wyoming
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and it worked out quite well for him. But it
worked out well for him after he left Laramie. Okay,
so he became Josh Allen when he got to the
Buffalo Bills, and quite frankly, he had no other offers,
so he took Laramie like like like, I'll go to
cal Poly. Anyone want to take me at cal please
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don't please, don't make me go to Laramie. And no
one they said no, And even the junior colleges turned
him down, just said no.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm making this up.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
By the way, this is tongue in cheeks, so don't
quote go quote me that Josh Allen was.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm being a little facetious about But the.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Point is, for a fans perspective, this is not an
exciting game, Like there's nothing exciting about going to Laramie.
And the coaches might argue and they should, because these
non conference games are actually quite helpful. And where they're helpful,
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I think for Utah the most this year above anything else,
is they're helpful in identifying who Utah is before it
gets into the conference play because I don't think I
don't think they know. I think they have a guess,
but I think they probably are going to have some surprises.
So they don't know who their wide receivers are. They
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have a group of guys they know generally, but not specifically.
They don't know who's going to show up in the game.
And it's so different. I'm just telling you, it's so different.
When the game start, there's just a different Here's the thing.
There are some guys you see them in practice and
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you go eh, and then they get in a game
and they just really elevate themselves. And then there are
other guys who look like superstars in shorts.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Man, I'm telling a Donnis. They are just like wow, and.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Then they get on the field and they just they
just melt, they just fade away.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And then there are guys that are both that like.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Practices this sacred time and it's where I am like
thoroughly preparing myself for greatness on the field. Those are
your superstars, the ones that just shine from the minute
the sun comes up till the till the time it
goes down, and then when it goes down, they become
the moon and they shine in the dark. And those
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are those are the ones you just go that's that's special.
But right now, well, Utah doesn't have like superstars. They
got a couple, but they don't have a lot. They
have got a lot of good players, fighters, tough players,
and that's that's the thing that Utah has to be.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Like.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
They gotta they gotta be gritty, they gotta they gotta fight,
they gotta they gotta make up for things with and
you can, I mean, you totally do it in college football.
They've made a career out of it. But what they
don't know is that they and they just don't know it.
The coaches players know and they don't. You know, you
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can't bring forty players into your program and go, oh yeah,
this is uh, we know what we have here now.
When you have players that you've developed, that you like,
that you've really gotten to know, and you've seen them
and you've developed this trust you've developed and you've developed
them you've taught them, you've indoctrinated them into your culture.
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Then then all right, we got it. This is cool.
So for us as a fan, we suffer because we
go to Laramie, we played cal Poly, but the coach
has relish this and they go, oh, thank you so much,
thank you, thank you so much. Speaking of thanking you
so much, the Boston Celtics, now this has to be approved.
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They just sold for six point one billion dollars. And
I thought that the Los Angeles Lakers had sold, but
that hasn't gone through yet.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So apparently like.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
This is the Boston Celtics, which is which is fascinating
to me when I when I read this, I'm like,
the two most storied franchises in all of basketball and
and they're probably up there in the top five.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Of all all sports.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Right, I mean, if we if we think about this,
you're talking value. Probably Dallas Cowboys is number one. The
Lakers who are up there, the Celtics. What is the
other football franchise at the New York Giants, Patriots? Patriots? Man,
maybe certainly, I mean when Bilichick was there. Yeah, but
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but hands down, the folks in the Boston area, they
just have the best sports franchises period.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You have the Red Sox like they're they're you And
what's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The Red Sox for years couldn't win to save their life,
but they still were this, you know, going to Fenway
and watching uh, you know, a game, the Green Monster
was iconic and the parquet floor.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Now even the Patriots were horrible for.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Years, and there's there's just you know, and I don't
know how good the Patriots are now, but man, what
a what a great place to be a sportsman.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And and it's almost.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Well almost uh you know, you think of you think
of in the Boston Bruins, right, you think of Detroit.
You know, it's it's really You have the Lions who've
made this massive resurgence. You have the Red Wings who
are always always I mean it's hockey town. You have
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the Tigers. Tigers are kind of making a move in
in baseball. Uh, and the Pistons at one point were
you know, they're you know, but what a what a
fun sports city to be a part of.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Wouldn't it be great if you had that here in Utah?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So when I see these franchises like the Celtics, or
you see like the Lakers, and it feels it feels like,
is this okay that these teams sell? I mean, because
what if this new owner gets a wild hair and
just decides to destroy these amazing dynasties and uh and
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these amazing organizations. And you've seen you've seen owners who
kind of come in and kind of messing like Mike
Mark Cuban, like him or hate him. He's a polarizing individual.
I really enjoy him on Shark Tank. I don't think
he's I don't know. He says something sometimes in it.
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I really wonder how intelligent he actually is because you
kind of roll your eyes go hmm, I'm not sure
about that comment right there, but okay.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
We'll roll with it. And he sells the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
It's got to be an incredible feeling because the Celtics,
I think they bought them for three hundred million dollars
and they're now selling them for six point one billion dollars.
I mean, it's it's it's like I would sell the team.
I know, I know it's hard to go, well, yeah,
but it's really fun to go to the games and
sit on the front row, you know, and be the owner.
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But man, it would be really nice to have a
six billion dollar payout, you know, So think of think
of if you bought the Celtics for three hundred million
dollars and at the time you probably you probably didn't
just throw down three hundred million dollars in cash you
had I'm sure it was financed. So let's just say
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they Let's say they threw down twenty percent. So that's
what ninety, right, thirty million is ten sixty I don't
know anyways, twenty percent of three hundred million. I think
it's six sixty million dollars. Yeah, sixty million dollars something
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like that. So you have financed two hundred and sixty
million dollars through whatever, like the revenue that you've received,
and so you're probably putting some money in your pocket,
you know, maybe you're putting ten million dollars a year
in your pocket. Is the owner after all your expenses
and everything, you've paid whatever, and maybe you get less
because the Celtics, you know, just overspent on the salary
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cap and now you just go you just go, Okay,
I just literally made six billion dollars I mean two
hundred million dollars probably, I mean, maybe they've paid down
the debt sum, you know, two hundred and twenty million dollars.
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So it's like to you know, the net after you're
it's insane. So so at this point, the guys who
buy it, now, there's no way they're going to get
that same return. There's there's no you know, maybe they
maybe at the end of the day they get a
billion dollars when they sell it, you know, or or
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I guess I just can't fathom in my brain how
people like how these franchises and it just keeps going up,
like in ridiculous amounts.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And I understand why it has.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Because of the popularity, and the popularity goes beyond the
sports fan and it goes to the gambler's that's what's
really that's what's really driven the values of these teams up.
And that's kind of a scary proposition if you really
think about it. There has to be a breaking point
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at some time.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It just has to be.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It just common sense just tells me there is but
sports in the world we live in is not common
and there's no sense to any of it. So I,
you know, I don't know, Let's take a break, because yeah,
let's take a break. When I come back to I
want to talk about the Big twelve is actually done
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something that it may cause coach Whittingham to actually.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Maybe retire.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
We'll see when we turn around here on the down
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Really crazy stuff going in sport. You know, we're talking
about the Celtics selling for six point one. The Lakers
eventually are going to sell for over ten million. In
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little old Portland, little child Blazer team out there, Portland,
a lot of people were worried it was going to
disappear and go somewhere else. It sold for a four billion,
so I didn't want to leave out Portland. Portland's kind
of doing that on its own. It's kind of making
itself irrelevant and hopefully they can bring it back.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And it's crazy because it's like the headquarters Nike, I
mean Nike. Yeah, anyways, so.
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We don't we don't want to lose their neglects our
brethren in Portland, and they're important in whoever owns them.
God bless you. And you know, it's just incredible that Portland, right,
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to the show here with this, This was an interesting development.
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I shared this with with Martin, my producer, and he goes,
I could see this kind of working both directions. So
the Big twelve is now they're gonna give injury reports.
So they will they'll release like player available availability reports
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at certain times of the week. Okay, and they're gonna
do this for football and basketball. And what's what's interesting?
Of course, coach Winning Hamp says, I'm I'm supportive of
uh if it's if everyone doesn't, like, you know, like
some some teams do. Some teams don't write so you
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think of things now, they don't. They don't give you
any report on anyone. And I'm the color analyst and
we show up to the game and literally minutes before
we start our broadcast, someone comes in and says, so
and so's out, so and so is not available, so
and So's whatever. Like we don't even know who's injured
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and who's not playing, usually right up until game time,
so they hold that very closely to their chest, and
it's it's uh, it's one of those things where you go,
why what is the big deal?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Right? So? Why is?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Why is coach Whittingham uh not wanting to tell people
about the injuries? And part of it is you don't
want to put yourself at a disadvantage going into a game.
I'll give you a really good example of this. And
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not not that the bowl games matter, but Utah played
its first Rose Bowl against Ohio State and Utah's down.
Zamia Vaughn was injured in the Pac twelve Championship and
I remember and the referee fell down and rolled over
his ankle on like one of the last plays of
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the game. So Zamia Van's out. They don't have any
corners at the time, so they put Mackay Bernard, the
running back at corner, to play in the Rose Bowl
against Ohio State. And if you all remember the beginning
of that game, Utah's kind of rolling over Ohio State
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and I just remember thinking, they don't know that Utah
has a running back at corner, Like they don't they
don't realize this, and then they did, and then they
figured out, oh there's a problem right there, and and
and bless his heart, McKay bernard like manned up and
played the best that he could, but he was in
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a very tough situation. This is hard playing corner when
you haven't even hardly played corner at all.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
And so to see to see this happen.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Now, had Ohio State known this, they go in the game,
just play. You know, we're going after whoever's at that
corner position. We're going after. And yet Utah got away
with it and almost got away with it completely partly
because of that situation.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Now there's there's also other things.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And I'll tell you that my opinion of why they're
really doing this, and it's nefarious, just so you know.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But but there's.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
There's there's kind of some gamesmanship that coaches can do.
And of course Bill Belichick was notorious for this, and
you get fined if you if you do it incorrectly.
So you give a grading right, probable, likely, doubtful out
and those gratings have to move as the week goes along.
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So a player could be out on Monday and he
could be doubtful on Wednesday, and probable on Friday, and
maybe on game day and then and and and but
some of them, like you have to declare someone's out
before a certain time, and so it's usually later in
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the week and you don't and and and it's kind
of fair because players players get better as the week
goes on, or they get worse or you know, people
how we recover from injury is very different, and and
the injury is different, right with some injuries are are
are workable, and some just aren't. But there's some gamesmanship
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in that. And so the other coach is going to
get this report and they're gonna go, hey, Gronkowski's really doubtful.
And then all of a sudden, he's doubtful and he
shows up and plays and plays like a superstar, and
they go, what what you know? And so there's kind
of some some because you you want to kind of
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know what you're preparing for. And that's part of why
the coach doesn't want to tell you because he doesn't
want you to know that, I got Makay Bernard playing corner.
I don't want you to know that. And so there's
this this kind of cat and mouse and and there
and and like coach Whittingham has always said, look, they
don't force me to do it, so why am I
going to do it? It doesn't it's absolutely insane and
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he's one hundred percent right. But now they're saying everyone.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Has to divulce this.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Everyone needs to know, and it gets tricky because you've
got you know, it's like which quarterback is going to play,
and if you have a quarterback that's a dual threat,
a runner and a passer, then your defense has to
You've got to be aware of a quarterback who's going
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to bring the ball down and run as opposed to
a guy that can sit in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Your your your whole pastor.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Rush strategy, how you defend quarterbacks changes and it's significant.
And when you know you've got a guy that's going
to sit in the pocket man, you are going to
dial up things differently and give them different looks. But
when you have someone who is a big runner, it's
a different if.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's different.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So so knowing that and kind of game planning for
that to the to the you know, because there's still
going to be that little margin of error when they
go from you know, probable to doubtful or probable to
maybe or maybe you know, whatever the terms they use. Uh,
you know, they could be a last minute well playing
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or not playing, so you don't know. But here here's
why I think the conferences are doing this. And I
I would bet the ranch on this. And again this
is my speculation, so I don't have information definitively, but
why else would it be the case? And the simple
reason is it's all about gambling and how they set
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odds for games, and Las Vegas is masterful of this,
and Las Vegas like reviews insane amounts of data and
they've studied this for years.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And Las Vegas like, if you want to.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Know anything that's happening in the world, anything, sports, politics,
you know, we want to see if you're going to
pass your your driver's license tests, just go talk to
the folks in Las Vegas. They'll give you the odds.
They'll tell you what's going to happen in your life
long before you know they know, and they're.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Usually really really good because.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Gambling they don't lose, otherwise they would not be in business.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Think about it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
To Las Vegas and man if if they won.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You know, if I don't know, if twenty percent of
them won, then Las Vegas could be out of business.
So people basically are going to gamble because they're gonna
throw their money away. That's that's that's just what's gonna happen. Now,
when you do these big poker tournaments, they have entry fee.
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You know, the entry fee is like X number of dollars.
So they're there, they know that the winner is gonna
win a prize, right, They're gonna win a million dollar prize,
half a million dollars. I don't know why I'm talking
about all this because but it's it's the point is
that gambling is controlling sports.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's it pushes the narrative. It always has.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's always been, uh you know, if you remember Jimmy
the Greek way back uh uh you know on NFL
Today with Brent Musburger and Phil George and Jimmy the
Greek and and what was it, Russ Cross and they
had Jimmy the Greek come in and every week he
gave the odds who's who's most likely? And this is
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in the seventies, and so everyone has always had an
interest in sports, and now and now because it's a
big deal because of what I talked about in the
first segment of our program, how.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Sports and gambling have always been partners.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
It's almost like we've kind of had our reckoning with
all of our sports. We've kind of come out of
the closet with everything we've We've we've totally just said,
we need to just be honest, we need to come clean.
College athletes are not amateurs. We finally said that. We
(32:01):
finally said it, They're not. College football is a big business.
College football is a professional sport, and it's a harsh
reality that I think we've all not wanted to accept,
not wanted to understand, but finally realized it's who we are.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
We're professionals. And I think gambling is the same thing.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Gambling is a massive part of sports and the professional
folks who are behind all of it, like the NFL
and the.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
League and what have you.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And I'm sure college football is probably not far behind
on this. They're like, gambling is a part of our
sport too. Gambling might be a bigger part of college
football than it is. I mean, a lot of it
is because there's more games. I mean, they'll gamble on anything.
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And I know people who know people who know other
folks to say, there's nothing more fun than going to
one of these, you know, booking rooms and watching NFL
games and betting on them all day long. And you
watch the games and you see how you know, I'm
sure like the horse racing and the whole thing. And
you know, gamblings are very enticing and addictive thing that
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we don't win at. But it's it is driving it's
driving sports now. To me, this brings up another question.
Since college football is a professional sport, how close does
college football get to gambling? How close does college football
get to alcohol? You know a lot of a lot
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of schools. I think most of them, if not all
of them. I may be wrong on this, but there
certainly isn't a tie to that. And actually, professional athletes
don't endorse alcoholic beverages while they're playing. That's why I
used to see all the Miller LTE commercials with all
(34:10):
the retired guys hey fish get in the boat and
and John Madden comes busting through the through the thing,
trying to explain the whole deal. But that that's kind
of that's that's what's going on, just with all of this.
I mean it, all of these things really create a
lot of like question marks. I mean, I'm talking about
(34:36):
the injury report, you know, just it brings up these
question marks about where are we going with this and
why are we going there and so.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
And Coach Waddingham is like, I'm just a coach. I'm
out here coaching my team.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
If they want me to report injuries and if everyone
has to do it, and if everyone's honest with it, great, well.
I don't think he's thinking of the big time ramifications
of it, because that's my job.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Speaking of big time ramification, We're gonna take a break.
Some interesting stuff happening with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Should he?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Should he play? Jerry Jones has some cancer, and we'll
talk about some other things.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I might surprise you when The Down and Dirty returns
here on ESPN seven hundred and ninety TWOEFM.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
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He's that down and dirty with Scott Mitchell on Your
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Speaker 3 (39:47):
It's the down and dirty Scott Mitchell here and he
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Speaker 2 (39:55):
Radio whoah uh.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
We are on ESP seven ninety two one FM, Utah's
number one sports talk and home of your utes. Jerry
Jones has had cancer and apparently he was stage four melanoma.
(40:22):
Stage four is pretty significant. Typically stage four means that
it's moved to other areas. If I know my cancer
is correctly, which I don't really want to know. I'm
a despiser of cancer, and it's very indiscriminate, and it
(40:43):
just kind of goes after people in different ways, in
different fashions, and people have different results. And I'm very
happy for Jerry Jones and that he has been able
to become cancer free and hope that remain the case.
But what What's what I guess part of what was
(41:05):
so fascinating for me about this was that let let
since we're since we're coming to a realization of ourselves,
we're being honest who we are as sports fans.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
The fact that college sports is as a professional.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
And that that gambling is, you know, it's a big
part of it's a it's i'd almost say it might
be a marriage. It's certainly certainly living together common law,
gambling and sports are our common law partners at least.
(41:48):
But it's nice that we're having this, you know, honest conversation.
And so here's another honest conversation. As I listened about
Jerry Jones the the NFL. You know, I'm he's got
all these people like pay Micah and you know, and uh,
all that stuff and and the Cowboys, I believe, uh
(42:09):
they are what he's saying. They were a soap opera
every single day and they are. It's a hot mess,
all of it's a hot mess. All of these players
saying I'm not gonna play. I'm gonna sit out, I'm
gonna hold out, I'm not coming to your OTAs.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I'm not doing this. I'm not playing in the game.
Should should our should our quarterback play? Shouldn't he play?
Speaker 3 (42:30):
The NFL is the biggest first world problem that exists
in the world today. When you get to these things
that really matter, like cancer and real life, real life issues,
you know, and you know, you have these players that
are injured and you know, and significantly injured to the
(42:51):
point of we're canceling the game, like like everything that
happens in football professionally is a first world problem. It
really is Aaron Rodgers going in my helmet kind of
looks like a spaceship my you know, there's just it's
(43:11):
just it's just goofy and it's really fun to watch
it is. I love it. I love to talk about it.
I love to to to have conversation. I love to
give insight to it, to give a perspective to it.
But I also love to Let's let's keep it honest here.
(43:33):
It's entertainment. It's fun and it's enjoyable, and let's just
stop taking ourselves way too seriously. Let's start just going.
You know, there's we just need to be nicer to
one another. We just need to be like like this, yeah,
this whole thing about rivalries. And I love rivalries. I
(43:56):
love the utah Yu rival I love it. But it
doesn't have to be hateful. So some of the people
I have the most respect for and and love to
have on the show and love to have an association
with our b why people I love my relationship with
(44:18):
with Ty Depmer and Mark Wilson and Jason Buck and
Gifford Nielson, Giffer Nilson my hero. It is my childhood
hero and still is my hero. And he's a BYU guy.
But you know, when I interviewed him, he's like, the
last thing he said on the phone was go Koog's
you know, He's like, he's a b YU guy, And
(44:40):
I don't I love it.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
There's so much freaking money in professional football, Like, why
are you all complaining you get to play a game.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
For a living.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yes, it's hard, Yes it's tough, Yes it's all of
these things. And people are like, but it's my livelihood
and it's my you know, and if this guy doesn't play,
you know.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Our lives are over. It's like, no, they're not. Here's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
From my experience in sports, I had some of the
most amazing, awesome things happen. Like I set records in
my career as a player. Some of them still stand today, some.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Of them don't.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
And I had a lot of success. Played professionally for
twelve years, and people understand that that's a long time
in sports and something I'm very proud of. I've also
been benched, I've lost, you know, games, been fired, didn't
(45:48):
get re signed, wasn't drafted where I thought I should go,
have been publicly humiliated, and just you know a lot
of situations. I've had people say horrible things. I've had
people write horrible things. I've had times when i couldn't
(46:08):
go out in public. I've literally had people just yell
crazy things to me. I've been injured, I've my body today.
Has you know, I've gone through the gamut of emotion
that you could as a player, and guess what, I'm okay,
(46:33):
Like I really like, like it's it's you know, all
the good, all the bad, all this stuff. We're not
gonna die from this, Like it's it's it's we just
we just need to get a different perspective on things
a little bit. And I'm not please understand, I'm not
down like pooh poohing, because man, we're going to talk
about it, and we're going to talk about it in detail,
(46:55):
but let's talk about it from a perspective and a
context of what it really is. We watch it because
it's entertaining. We watch it because we don't know what's
gonna happen. We watch it because there's drama involved. Michael Jordan,
who I'd love to watch. Michael Jordan created drama. He
(47:17):
created stories out of nothing so that it could motivate
him to play better, like he created a way to
hate a player or to get upset at him because
he knew that if he played out of vengeance, he
played better. Tom Brady went around with like, okay, fine
(47:40):
on this. You know no one liked me, and I'm
going to show all of you people all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
And that's awesome for Tom Brady, for magic, for Michael
Jordan like it.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
It brought out the great competitors, the great players that they.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Were, and we want to watch it. And I want
to watch it.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Like like people are like, oh man, tom Brady, I
don't know how he is.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Is then an announcer and I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
I want to hear what tom Brady has to say
because he has an insight like nobody has. Nobody has
tom Brady's insight in all of sports.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
To play as long as.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
He played, to play the position that he played, and
to have the success he had, Like I want to
listen to it. No one, no one's come close to that.
So so I'm I'm I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna tune
in because it's it's unpredictable. We don't know what's going
to happen. And that's that's what's so beautiful about it.
(48:41):
So so like, right now, let's take an example and
Caleb Williams, who was the first player picked in the draft,
and everyone's like, is.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
He any gated?
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Is it going to be any good? I don't know
if he's going to be good or not. I'll just
tell you. At USC A first year, he looked phenomenal.
But guess what he regressed his second year?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
He did. He was not the same player his second year.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
And and I and I was watching, you know, I
watched him very closely, and I'm like, why. It's almost
like you're predetermined in your mind what's going to happen.
It's someone's got in your head that your offensive line
isn't good.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
And maybe they were, maybe they weren't.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
I don't know, but man, he moved around a lot
more than he than he really had to. And he's
gotten in some bad habits now. I don't know that
his offensive line was great his first year with the Bears.
It's a it's a tough mindset to be in.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
As a play.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I had. I had an offensive lim when I was
playing for the Orlando Thunder and we were getting introduced
for our game and he kind of bumped my army.
Standing next to me, he goes, Hey, I just want
you to know I probably won't be able to block
my guy tonight. And he's telling me this as we're
going on to the field. I'm like, dude, I don't
(49:56):
want to hear this. Bluck your guy, Like, don't tell
me if you can can't, Like, but like, what are
you talking about? So when you kind of get something
in your head, you know it potentially could really mess
with it. And I think that might be the case
with Kayleb Williams. But the debate is should he play
or should he not play? And the beginning of the
(50:17):
week they said now he should play. He's not going
to play, and now there's been a lot of talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
That's dumb whatever.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Anyway, Marcus Spears at a comment on from ESPN on
Caleb Williams, Marcus Spears had to say, we've.
Speaker 6 (50:31):
Seen this organization flump all the tests with their quarterbacks
up until this point, and this is one situation where
now you understand the shift that's happening, we take the
onus off of the franchise.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Poe's has done a good job brought being Johnson in.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
This is all about Caleb, and that's why people have
this reaction. When it was when it was Mitch Trubisky,
when it was justin fields, we were like, this is
a horrible organization, this is terrible.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
They don't know what direction they going, none of that.
Speaker 6 (50:59):
So now it is a completely different situation for Caleb Williams.
I understand the type of pressure. I understand the reaction
to Caleb Williams and if he doesn't play well because
of what structurally has happened in this organization. But ultimately,
the dude is about to play like his eighteenth game
in the NFL right when they start this season, for real,
(51:21):
So somebody got to say, let's give him a little.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Bit of time. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I mean, traditionally, the you know, the Bears haven't been
great in the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
It's not been an absolute.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
They've had quarterbacks through the time that were actually pretty good, and.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
They were for whatever reason, not Hall of famers.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
You know, Jim McMahon, had he stayed healthy with the
Bears and could have played his full career, he probably
would he probably be.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
He'd probably be considered as a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
I mean, I'll just tell you right now, Jim McMahon
better quarterback than Steve Young and no, no question about it.
But uh, and Steve Young is a tremendous quarterback. So
the debate is and I think the challenges is like
and I think some people are worried like him playing
(52:19):
or not playing, because it was almost like they're trying
to protect him and they're trying to protect him, and
the speculation is, well, maybe maybe he's not caught onto
the offense just yet, maybe he's not performing, So why
why expose ourselves to more scrutiny from everyone because we're
clearly getting getting a lot of it as it is.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
And the and the reality for me and so so
it feels.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Like they're trying to protect him, they're trying to hide him,
and and I don't think that's the case. I think
it's they're trying to look at this from the marathon
perspective that football is. It's it's not a sprint a
few series in a in a preseason game, and is
not a spread. Especially I believe they've been practicing together
(53:05):
with the Bills, so he's gotten a lot.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Of work against other teams and other players this week.
That's not bad. The reality, though, is you're a young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
You're learning a new offense, may need to take every
possible rep you can get.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I know I would want to. I don't.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
He's like, yeah, I'd absolutely want to play in this preseason,
and I tell my coach, I'd say, coach, put me in,
leave me in, let me figure all this stuff out,
and you can get all the practice reps you want.
But game reps are are massively important, and they are
to quarterbacks more than any other position. So I just
(53:41):
for me, I don't understand what the hooplaw is about
all of this. The other side of it, too, is
you know, they look at Jared Goff and they go,
he was the normal first pick in the draft, felt
like he's kind of a bust, and Ben Johnson did
miracles with him, and I'm sure that was a lot
of why Ben Johnson was hired with the Bears. And
(54:04):
Ben Johnson goes, I love calebillas tremendous talent. Give him
to me, let me work with him. But it's it's
not gonna happen in five minutes. It's not going to
happen in the first week of the season. It might
not happen completely through this season. It might take a
little bit more time.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Really, it's like kind of about three four years before
a quarterback really really grasp hold of what's actually happened. Hey,
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You deserve an advocate. Well, you guys deserve a break.
We're gonna take one right now, the long one. We'll
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thank you, thank you. I really appreciate it. If you
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know what it is.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We all know what podcasts are. I like to think
of it as a broadcast over a streamed device, not
necessarily your radio, but another device. So we're a production,
We're a program, We're not a podcast. Podcast sounds like
you're in Star Wars and they're shooting you off in
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your little podcast out in space somewhere to run away
from Darth Vader. We're not that. Don't run away from
Darth Vader. Don't give into the force the dark side.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I am your father. Anyways, you can tell I'm in
a weird mood.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Today, we had our kickoff for the Utah Football by
the Way at the ESPN headquarters the Air Broadway Media.
A lot of fun, fun to see some of our
sponsors and some of.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The legendary people that are Utah Football.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Of course, Ron McBride was there and he was given
some lowdown on on the team and where it's where
it's headed this year, and we're just a few weeks
away from the start of the college football season. College
football is interesting when they start the season, by the way,
and it's interesting from this point of view.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
They are.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They have good games like Week one. Typically there's somebody,
I mean, I mean number one in three are playing
each other. Texas is going to Ohio State Texas number one,
Ohio State three right off the right off the bat,
and then for whatever reason, the season goes into a
little bit of the doldrums. Utah same thing, They're going
(02:42):
to the Rose Bowl, and there's all it's always fun
to go.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't care. You know, everyone says, oh no, it's different.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's it's different, and it is different when you're at
the Rose Bowl and the actual Rose Bowl game and
all that, and that's it's a cool that's a cool game.
It's just cool to be a part of that. But
the Rose Bowl in and of itself is just whenever
you go, even if it's the first week of the
year or the middle of October, it's a cool place
to go play. So Utah plays there, right, that's that's
(03:09):
that's the game, and that's exciting. It's Nico imala Avea
is this new hot recruit who came from Tennessee and
he's a quarterback. And we'll see where where all that goes.
And of course Utah has maybe a little less heralded
(03:31):
quarterback and Devin dan Pier nonetheless a new one and
they're all going to be on display for the first
time in the Rose Bowl. How fun is that? It's
very cool? But here's the problem. Then they're sweep too,
and it's like, oh my goodness, really, and from a
fan perspective, you're like, nah, not so I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Martin. What's it? What's the opponent? Is it cal poly Tech? Yes?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
The second?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Oh so I got it right, Cal poly Tech? Is
it poly Tech? Right, it's not so.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Just forget about the tech part.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, the tech is it's an abbreviation of Polytech, poly Tech.
What is Poly's like many multiple, A lot of technical
things going on.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I believe you so well. Football is not going on there.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Okay, I think Utah could start a high school team
would probably be poly Tech. But so you go from
a former Pac twelve opponent now in the Big ten
at the Rose.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
BOWLT to Cal Poly.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
How lame is that from a football stand Because because
the coaches are like, no, this is really good, we
like this. We don't we don't want tough opponents all
day long in our non conference and everyone the reason
everyone does this is they want this kind of strength
of schedule. They want to you know, they want to
create interest early. There's a lot of reasons. That's why
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they have these big games the first week and then
they go back to their their cow Poly's, their you
know whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
School.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Now here's the one that has my head scratching, and
I I feel like I'm going to be sick. That week,
I'm I think I'm going to take a personal day.
And uh, I just it's too much drama, too much pressure.
I can't handle it. I'm just not cut out for
that kind of thing. And so I need to take
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a personal day. And uh that's because Utah is going
to Laramie, Wyoming. Like, I'm curious, Martin, have you ever
been to Laramie, Wyoming?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, you should come with.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Me then road trip and to Laramie.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I'm down for man, I'm down for Laramie.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I believe on game day becomes the largest city and
it used to anyways, the largest city in Wyoming. And
people from Wyoming, bless their hearts, they are a they're
a proud people.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's a huge.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
State, beautiful state for the most part, very sparsely populated though,
and Laramie is just not a pleasant place to go.
And so here you have this Utah from the Big Twelve,
one of the powerful conferences, descending below and bequeathing the
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Kingdom of the Peasants with its presence for a week.
That's what's going to happen. Nothing goes on, nothing good
goes on in Laramie, Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
In fact, there was a there was a heated contest
between the University of Utah and coach Whittingham and the
Utes and a lot of bad blood. And of course
they were in the same conference for years. Wyoming was
one of our conference foes, and there have been times
Wyoming's been pretty good. Now, Josh Allen went to Wyoming
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and it worked out quite well for him. But it
worked out well for him after he left Laramie. Okay,
so he became Josh Allen when he got to the
Buffalo Bills, and quite frankly, he had no other offers,
so he took Laramie like like like, I'll go to
cal Poly. Anyone want to take me at cal please
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don't please, don't make me go to Laramie. And no
one they said no, And even the junior colleges turned
him down, just said no.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm making this up.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
By the way, this is tongue in cheeks, so don't
quote go quote me that Josh Allen was.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm being a little facetious about But the.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Point is, for a fans perspective, this is not an
exciting game, Like there's nothing exciting about going to Laramie.
And the coaches might argue and they should, because these
non conference games are actually quite helpful. And where they're helpful,
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I think for Utah the most this year above anything else,
is they're helpful in identifying who Utah is before it
gets into the conference play because I don't think I
don't think they know. I think they have a guess,
but I think they probably are going to have some surprises.
So they don't know who their wide receivers are. They
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have a group of guys they know generally, but not specifically.
They don't know who's going to show up in the game.
And it's so different. I'm just telling you, it's so different.
When the game start, there's just a different Here's the thing.
There are some guys you see them in practice and
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you go eh, and then they get in a game
and they just really elevate themselves. And then there are
other guys who look like superstars in shorts.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Man, I'm telling a Donnis. They are just like wow, and.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Then they get on the field and they just they
just melt, they just fade away.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And then there are guys that are both that like.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Practices this sacred time and it's where I am like
thoroughly preparing myself for greatness on the field. Those are
your superstars, the ones that just shine from the minute
the sun comes up till the till the time it
goes down, and then when it goes down, they become
the moon and they shine in the dark. And those
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are those are the ones you just go that's that's special.
But right now, well, Utah doesn't have like superstars. They
got a couple, but they don't have a lot. They
have got a lot of good players, fighters, tough players,
and that's that's the thing that Utah has to be.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Like.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
They gotta they gotta be gritty, they gotta they gotta fight,
they gotta they gotta make up for things with and
you can, I mean, you totally do it in college football.
They've made a career out of it. But what they
don't know is that they and they just don't know it.
The coaches players know and they don't. You know, you
(10:15):
can't bring forty players into your program and go, oh yeah,
this is uh, we know what we have here now.
When you have players that you've developed, that you like,
that you've really gotten to know, and you've seen them
and you've developed this trust you've developed and you've developed
them you've taught them, you've indoctrinated them into your culture.
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Then then all right, we got it. This is cool.
So for us as a fan, we suffer because we
go to Laramie, we played cal Poly, but the coach
has relish this and they go, oh, thank you so much,
thank you, thank you so much. Speaking of thanking you
so much, the Boston Celtics, now this has to be approved.
(11:04):
They just sold for six point one billion dollars. And
I thought that the Los Angeles Lakers had sold, but
that hasn't gone through yet.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So apparently like.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
This is the Boston Celtics, which is which is fascinating
to me when I when I read this, I'm like,
the two most storied franchises in all of basketball and
and they're probably up there in the top five.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Of all all sports.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Right, I mean, if we if we think about this,
you're talking value. Probably Dallas Cowboys is number one. The
Lakers who are up there, the Celtics. What is the
other football franchise at the New York Giants, Patriots? Patriots? Man,
maybe certainly, I mean when Bilichick was there. Yeah, but
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but hands down, the folks in the Boston area, they
just have the best sports franchises period.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You have the Red Sox like they're they're you And
what's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
The Red Sox for years couldn't win to save their life,
but they still were this, you know, going to Fenway
and watching uh, you know, a game, the Green Monster
was iconic and the parquet floor.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Now even the Patriots were horrible for.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Years, and there's there's just you know, and I don't
know how good the Patriots are now, but man, what
a what a great place to be a sportsman.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And and it's almost.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Well almost uh you know, you think of you think
of in the Boston Bruins, right, you think of Detroit.
You know, it's it's really You have the Lions who've
made this massive resurgence. You have the Red Wings who
are always always I mean it's hockey town. You have
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the Tigers. Tigers are kind of making a move in
in baseball. Uh, and the Pistons at one point were
you know, they're you know, but what a what a
fun sports city to be a part of.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Wouldn't it be great if you had that here in Utah?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So when I see these franchises like the Celtics, or
you see like the Lakers, and it feels it feels like,
is this okay that these teams sell? I mean, because
what if this new owner gets a wild hair and
just decides to destroy these amazing dynasties and uh and
(13:47):
these amazing organizations. And you've seen you've seen owners who
kind of come in and kind of messing like Mike
Mark Cuban, like him or hate him. He's a polarizing individual.
I really enjoy him on Shark Tank. I don't think
he's I don't know. He says something sometimes in it.
(14:09):
I really wonder how intelligent he actually is because you
kind of roll your eyes go hmm, I'm not sure
about that comment right there, but okay.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
We'll roll with it. And he sells the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
It's got to be an incredible feeling because the Celtics,
I think they bought them for three hundred million dollars
and they're now selling them for six point one billion dollars.
I mean, it's it's it's like I would sell the team.
I know, I know it's hard to go, well, yeah,
but it's really fun to go to the games and
sit on the front row, you know, and be the owner.
(14:46):
But man, it would be really nice to have a
six billion dollar payout, you know, So think of think
of if you bought the Celtics for three hundred million
dollars and at the time you probably you probably didn't
just throw down three hundred million dollars in cash you
had I'm sure it was financed. So let's just say
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they Let's say they threw down twenty percent. So that's
what ninety, right, thirty million is ten sixty I don't
know anyways, twenty percent of three hundred million. I think
it's six sixty million dollars. Yeah, sixty million dollars something
(15:34):
like that. So you have financed two hundred and sixty
million dollars through whatever, like the revenue that you've received,
and so you're probably putting some money in your pocket,
you know, maybe you're putting ten million dollars a year
in your pocket. Is the owner after all your expenses
and everything, you've paid whatever, and maybe you get less
because the Celtics, you know, just overspent on the salary
(15:59):
cap and now you just go you just go, Okay,
I just literally made six billion dollars I mean two
hundred million dollars probably, I mean, maybe they've paid down
the debt sum, you know, two hundred and twenty million dollars.
(16:19):
So it's like to you know, the net after you're
it's insane. So so at this point, the guys who
buy it, now, there's no way they're going to get
that same return. There's there's no you know, maybe they
maybe at the end of the day they get a
billion dollars when they sell it, you know, or or
(16:42):
I guess I just can't fathom in my brain how
people like how these franchises and it just keeps going up,
like in ridiculous amounts.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And I understand why it has.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Because of the popularity, and the popularity goes beyond the
sports fan and it goes to the gambler's that's what's
really that's what's really driven the values of these teams up.
And that's kind of a scary proposition if you really
think about it. There has to be a breaking point
(17:19):
at some time.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It just has to be.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It just common sense just tells me there is but
sports in the world we live in is not common
and there's no sense to any of it. So I,
you know, I don't know, Let's take a break, because yeah,
let's take a break. When I come back to I
want to talk about the Big twelve is actually done
(17:43):
something that it may cause coach Whittingham to actually.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Maybe retire.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
We'll see when we turn around here on the down
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Really crazy stuff going in sport. You know, we're talking
about the Celtics selling for six point one. The Lakers
eventually are going to sell for over ten million. In
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little old Portland, little child Blazer team out there, Portland,
a lot of people were worried it was going to
disappear and go somewhere else. It sold for a four billion,
so I didn't want to leave out Portland. Portland's kind
of doing that on its own. It's kind of making
itself irrelevant and hopefully they can bring it back.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And it's crazy because it's like the headquarters Nike, I
mean Nike. Yeah, anyways, so.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
We don't we don't want to lose their neglects our
brethren in Portland, and they're important in whoever owns them.
God bless you. And you know, it's just incredible that Portland, right,
four billion dollars insane, It's it's it's insane. Ryan Smith
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to the show here with this, This was an interesting development.
(21:57):
I shared this with with Martin, my producer, and he goes,
I could see this kind of working both directions. So
the Big twelve is now they're gonna give injury reports.
So they will they'll release like player available availability reports
(22:22):
at certain times of the week. Okay, and they're gonna
do this for football and basketball. And what's what's interesting?
Of course, coach Winning Hamp says, I'm I'm supportive of
uh if it's if everyone doesn't, like, you know, like
some some teams do. Some teams don't write so you
(22:49):
think of things now, they don't. They don't give you
any report on anyone. And I'm the color analyst and
we show up to the game and literally minutes before
we start our broadcast, someone comes in and says, so
and so's out, so and so is not available, so
and So's whatever. Like we don't even know who's injured
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and who's not playing, usually right up until game time,
so they hold that very closely to their chest, and
it's it's uh, it's one of those things where you go,
why what is the big deal?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Right? So? Why is?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Why is coach Whittingham uh not wanting to tell people
about the injuries? And part of it is you don't
want to put yourself at a disadvantage going into a game.
I'll give you a really good example of this. And
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not not that the bowl games matter, but Utah played
its first Rose Bowl against Ohio State and Utah's down.
Zamia Vaughn was injured in the Pac twelve Championship and
I remember and the referee fell down and rolled over
his ankle on like one of the last plays of
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the game. So Zamia Van's out. They don't have any
corners at the time, so they put Mackay Bernard, the
running back at corner, to play in the Rose Bowl
against Ohio State. And if you all remember the beginning
of that game, Utah's kind of rolling over Ohio State
(24:36):
and I just remember thinking, they don't know that Utah
has a running back at corner, Like they don't they
don't realize this, and then they did, and then they
figured out, oh there's a problem right there, and and
and bless his heart, McKay bernard like manned up and
played the best that he could, but he was in
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a very tough situation. This is hard playing corner when
you haven't even hardly played corner at all.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
And so to see to see this happen.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Now, had Ohio State known this, they go in the game,
just play. You know, we're going after whoever's at that
corner position. We're going after. And yet Utah got away
with it and almost got away with it completely partly
because of that situation.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Now there's there's also other things.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And I'll tell you that my opinion of why they're
really doing this, and it's nefarious, just so you know.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But but there's.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
There's there's kind of some gamesmanship that coaches can do.
And of course Bill Belichick was notorious for this, and
you get fined if you if you do it incorrectly.
So you give a grading right, probable, likely, doubtful out
and those gratings have to move as the week goes along.
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So a player could be out on Monday and he
could be doubtful on Wednesday, and probable on Friday, and
maybe on game day and then and and and but
some of them, like you have to declare someone's out
before a certain time, and so it's usually later in
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the week and you don't and and and it's kind
of fair because players players get better as the week
goes on, or they get worse or you know, people
how we recover from injury is very different, and and
the injury is different, right with some injuries are are
are workable, and some just aren't. But there's some gamesmanship
(26:46):
in that. And so the other coach is going to
get this report and they're gonna go, hey, Gronkowski's really doubtful.
And then all of a sudden, he's doubtful and he
shows up and plays and plays like a superstar, and
they go, what what you know? And so there's kind
of some some because you you want to kind of
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know what you're preparing for. And that's part of why
the coach doesn't want to tell you because he doesn't
want you to know that, I got Makay Bernard playing corner.
I don't want you to know that. And so there's
this this kind of cat and mouse and and there
and and like coach Whittingham has always said, look, they
don't force me to do it, so why am I
going to do it? It doesn't it's absolutely insane and
(27:29):
he's one hundred percent right. But now they're saying everyone.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Has to divulce this.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Everyone needs to know, and it gets tricky because you've
got you know, it's like which quarterback is going to play,
and if you have a quarterback that's a dual threat,
a runner and a passer, then your defense has to
You've got to be aware of a quarterback who's going
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to bring the ball down and run as opposed to
a guy that can sit in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Your your your whole pastor.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Rush strategy, how you defend quarterbacks changes and it's significant.
And when you know you've got a guy that's going
to sit in the pocket man, you are going to
dial up things differently and give them different looks. But
when you have someone who is a big runner, it's
a different if.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's different.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So so knowing that and kind of game planning for
that to the to the you know, because there's still
going to be that little margin of error when they
go from you know, probable to doubtful or probable to
maybe or maybe you know, whatever the terms they use. Uh,
you know, they could be a last minute well playing
(28:43):
or not playing, so you don't know. But here here's
why I think the conferences are doing this. And I
I would bet the ranch on this. And again this
is my speculation, so I don't have information definitively, but
why else would it be the case? And the simple
reason is it's all about gambling and how they set
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odds for games, and Las Vegas is masterful of this,
and Las Vegas like reviews insane amounts of data and
they've studied this for years.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And Las Vegas like, if you want to.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Know anything that's happening in the world, anything, sports, politics,
you know, we want to see if you're going to
pass your your driver's license tests, just go talk to
the folks in Las Vegas. They'll give you the odds.
They'll tell you what's going to happen in your life
long before you know they know, and they're.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Usually really really good because.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Gambling they don't lose, otherwise they would not be in business.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Think about it.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
To Las Vegas and man if if they won.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You know, if I don't know, if twenty percent of
them won, then Las Vegas could be out of business.
So people basically are going to gamble because they're gonna
throw their money away. That's that's that's just what's gonna happen. Now,
when you do these big poker tournaments, they have entry fee.
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You know, the entry fee is like X number of dollars.
So they're there, they know that the winner is gonna
win a prize, right, They're gonna win a million dollar prize,
half a million dollars. I don't know why I'm talking
about all this because but it's it's the point is
that gambling is controlling sports.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's it pushes the narrative. It always has.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's always been, uh you know, if you remember Jimmy
the Greek way back uh uh you know on NFL
Today with Brent Musburger and Phil George and Jimmy the
Greek and and what was it, Russ Cross and they
had Jimmy the Greek come in and every week he
gave the odds who's who's most likely? And this is
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in the seventies, and so everyone has always had an
interest in sports, and now and now because it's a
big deal because of what I talked about in the
first segment of our program, how.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Sports and gambling have always been partners.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
It's almost like we've kind of had our reckoning with
all of our sports. We've kind of come out of
the closet with everything we've We've we've totally just said,
we need to just be honest, we need to come clean.
College athletes are not amateurs. We finally said that. We
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finally said it, They're not. College football is a big business.
College football is a professional sport, and it's a harsh
reality that I think we've all not wanted to accept,
not wanted to understand, but finally realized it's who we are.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
We're professionals. And I think gambling is the same thing.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Gambling is a massive part of sports and the professional
folks who are behind all of it, like the NFL
and the.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
League and what have you.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And I'm sure college football is probably not far behind
on this. They're like, gambling is a part of our
sport too. Gambling might be a bigger part of college
football than it is. I mean, a lot of it
is because there's more games. I mean, they'll gamble on anything.
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And I know people who know people who know other
folks to say, there's nothing more fun than going to
one of these, you know, booking rooms and watching NFL
games and betting on them all day long. And you
watch the games and you see how you know, I'm
sure like the horse racing and the whole thing. And
you know, gamblings are very enticing and addictive thing that
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we don't win at. But it's it is driving it's
driving sports now. To me, this brings up another question.
Since college football is a professional sport, how close does
college football get to gambling? How close does college football
get to alcohol? You know a lot of a lot
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of schools. I think most of them, if not all
of them. I may be wrong on this, but there
certainly isn't a tie to that. And actually, professional athletes
don't endorse alcoholic beverages while they're playing. That's why I
used to see all the Miller LTE commercials with all
(34:10):
the retired guys hey fish get in the boat and
and John Madden comes busting through the through the thing,
trying to explain the whole deal. But that that's kind
of that's that's what's going on, just with all of this.
I mean it, all of these things really create a
lot of like question marks. I mean, I'm talking about
(34:36):
the injury report, you know, just it brings up these
question marks about where are we going with this and
why are we going there and so.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
And Coach Waddingham is like, I'm just a coach. I'm
out here coaching my team.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
If they want me to report injuries and if everyone
has to do it, and if everyone's honest with it, great, well.
I don't think he's thinking of the big time ramifications
of it, because that's my job.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Speaking of big time ramification, We're gonna take a break.
Some interesting stuff happening with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Should he?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Should he play? Jerry Jones has some cancer, and we'll
talk about some other things.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
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really vet it all out, Like what you know, we're
not going to just give you something that we don't
have confidence is the right thing to put on someone's house.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
You know, you're dead on in fact, if you kind
of go for our products like decking specifically we use
timber tech, windows specifically, we use Infinity.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
And gutters we use gutter topper.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Why all these things well, because of what you just said,
We literally have vetted them out. We've spent time, We've
done everything we need to to make sure that the homeowners.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Are getting the best possible quality job.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Period.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
We're really really particular, and honestly we probably act too
slow on selecting products, but why so that we can
give the customers the best job.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
And you know, your home is probably the biggest investment
that someone's going to have and you want to protect it,
you want to take care of it, but sometimes protecting
it is a little bit of an investment. You have
financial financing options and things available for people that come
to you.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah, I'm really glad you brought that up, Scott, because
financing is used to especially in our market. Right it's cliche,
oh pay cash, we only save up And I love
that and I totally abide by that. The one difference
and the reason why I would disagree with this one
particular thing is homes appreciate. As you mentioned, well, we
have a price increase, usually one or two a year,
(37:18):
and they're about ten percent. So let's just say, for
argument's sake, you get a ten percent increase every year,
and say for five years, so that means in five
years your project is doubled in price. Well, we can
finance a job that in some cases costs you as
a homeown or nothing, and in some cases it's very
low interest. But if you do a project today, it
will be less money even with interest, than what it
(37:39):
would be in five years around. So what we tell
homewers all the time is don't wait, it only gets
more expensive.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Plus you get the benefit of it today.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Give the job done today, finance it, and you will
actually be substantially ahead.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
The great thing is that you're going to work with people.
You're going to figure out the best solution, whether it's
the financing option or or even what they actually need.
People are going to call you. They get a free
consultation when they call. And also you also produce a
rendering because there's some people that just can't see it
on paper. They need to see an actual visual representation
of what a project looks like.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Yeah it is, and the rendering is such a cool thing. Basically,
we just take a picture of your home. We have
some software, we put it in there. We can come
up and meet with you and throw up on the TV,
this computer screen or whatever it is and literally say, hey,
I want to see that siding in white, Hey, I
want to see that in purple whatever it is. Right,
you literally can say it, We can change it and
you can see it in real time, and then you
can say, hey, instead of being lap siding here, I
want to see shake.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Hey, I want to see some wording beat in here?
And what about some stone here.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
We literally can take your home and tweak it and
adjust it so you can literally play with it and
imagine what your home is going to look like.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
And then you'll see it in real time, which is.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
So cool because you get it exactly the way you
want it. You get it done with the people who
have been in business the longest. Protect that investment, protect
your home, and you can do it with RGS Exteriors.
Go to Rgsixteriors dot com or give them a call
at their number.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Yeah you know one two eight thirty one ten one
two three one one zero. Biggest thing is just make
sure they hurt us on your show, Scott, we've out.
We've got all kinds of things we want to take
care of our customers, lots of financing options, but also
small thing look for for us guys. Call schedule appointment
and we'll send a Miki Gatur blanket for the wife.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Tell them the down and Dirty cent just sent you
so all right, thanks, dam appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
He's that down and dirty with Scott Mitchell on Your
Home of the US ESPN seven hundred ninety two to
one af AM. I feel the highway on the older
(39:43):
and the shop world is older.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
It's the down and dirty Scott Mitchell here and he
wie Matt is not where we are. We're not on
the Mexican.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Radio whoah uh.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
We are on ESP seven ninety two one FM, Utah's
number one sports talk and home of your utes. Jerry
Jones has had cancer and apparently he was stage four melanoma.
(40:22):
Stage four is pretty significant. Typically stage four means that
it's moved to other areas. If I know my cancer
is correctly, which I don't really want to know. I'm
a despiser of cancer, and it's very indiscriminate, and it
(40:43):
just kind of goes after people in different ways, in
different fashions, and people have different results. And I'm very
happy for Jerry Jones and that he has been able
to become cancer free and hope that remain the case.
But what What's what I guess part of what was
(41:05):
so fascinating for me about this was that let let
since we're since we're coming to a realization of ourselves,
we're being honest who we are as sports fans.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
The fact that college sports is as a professional.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
And that that gambling is, you know, it's a big
part of it's a it's i'd almost say it might
be a marriage. It's certainly certainly living together common law,
gambling and sports are our common law partners at least.
(41:48):
But it's nice that we're having this, you know, honest conversation.
And so here's another honest conversation. As I listened about
Jerry Jones the the NFL. You know, I'm he's got
all these people like pay Micah and you know, and uh,
all that stuff and and the Cowboys, I believe, uh
(42:09):
they are what he's saying. They were a soap opera
every single day and they are. It's a hot mess,
all of it's a hot mess. All of these players
saying I'm not gonna play. I'm gonna sit out, I'm
gonna hold out, I'm not coming to your OTAs.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I'm not doing this. I'm not playing in the game.
Should should our should our quarterback play? Shouldn't he play?
Speaker 3 (42:30):
The NFL is the biggest first world problem that exists
in the world today. When you get to these things
that really matter, like cancer and real life, real life issues,
you know, and you know, you have these players that
are injured and you know, and significantly injured to the
(42:51):
point of we're canceling the game, like like everything that
happens in football professionally is a first world problem. It
really is Aaron Rodgers going in my helmet kind of
looks like a spaceship my you know, there's just it's
(43:11):
just it's just goofy and it's really fun to watch
it is. I love it. I love to talk about it.
I love to to to have conversation. I love to
give insight to it, to give a perspective to it.
But I also love to Let's let's keep it honest here.
(43:33):
It's entertainment. It's fun and it's enjoyable, and let's just
stop taking ourselves way too seriously. Let's start just going.
You know, there's we just need to be nicer to
one another. We just need to be like like this, yeah,
this whole thing about rivalries. And I love rivalries. I
(43:56):
love the utah Yu rival I love it. But it
doesn't have to be hateful. So some of the people
I have the most respect for and and love to
have on the show and love to have an association
with our b why people I love my relationship with
(44:18):
with Ty Depmer and Mark Wilson and Jason Buck and
Gifford Nielson, Giffer Nilson my hero. It is my childhood
hero and still is my hero. And he's a BYU guy.
But you know, when I interviewed him, he's like, the
last thing he said on the phone was go Koog's
you know, He's like, he's a b YU guy, And
(44:40):
I don't I love it.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
There's so much freaking money in professional football, Like, why
are you all complaining you get to play a game.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
For a living.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yes, it's hard, Yes it's tough, Yes it's all of
these things. And people are like, but it's my livelihood
and it's my you know, and if this guy doesn't play,
you know.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Our lives are over. It's like, no, they're not. Here's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
From my experience in sports, I had some of the
most amazing, awesome things happen. Like I set records in
my career as a player. Some of them still stand today, some.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Of them don't.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
And I had a lot of success. Played professionally for
twelve years, and people understand that that's a long time
in sports and something I'm very proud of. I've also
been benched, I've lost, you know, games, been fired, didn't
(45:48):
get re signed, wasn't drafted where I thought I should go,
have been publicly humiliated, and just you know a lot
of situations. I've had people say horrible things. I've had
people write horrible things. I've had times when i couldn't
(46:08):
go out in public. I've literally had people just yell
crazy things to me. I've been injured, I've my body today.
Has you know, I've gone through the gamut of emotion
that you could as a player, and guess what, I'm okay,
(46:33):
Like I really like, like it's it's you know, all
the good, all the bad, all this stuff. We're not
gonna die from this, Like it's it's it's we just
we just need to get a different perspective on things
a little bit. And I'm not please understand, I'm not
down like pooh poohing, because man, we're going to talk
about it, and we're going to talk about it in detail,
(46:55):
but let's talk about it from a perspective and a
context of what it really is. We watch it because
it's entertaining. We watch it because we don't know what's
gonna happen. We watch it because there's drama involved. Michael Jordan,
who I'd love to watch. Michael Jordan created drama. He
(47:17):
created stories out of nothing so that it could motivate
him to play better, like he created a way to
hate a player or to get upset at him because
he knew that if he played out of vengeance, he
played better. Tom Brady went around with like, okay, fine
(47:40):
on this. You know no one liked me, and I'm
going to show all of you people all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
And that's awesome for Tom Brady, for magic, for Michael
Jordan like it.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
It brought out the great competitors, the great players that they.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Were, and we want to watch it. And I want
to watch it.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Like like people are like, oh man, tom Brady, I
don't know how he is.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Is then an announcer and I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
I want to hear what tom Brady has to say
because he has an insight like nobody has. Nobody has
tom Brady's insight in all of sports.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
To play as long as.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
He played, to play the position that he played, and
to have the success he had, Like I want to
listen to it. No one, no one's come close to that.
So so I'm I'm I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna tune
in because it's it's unpredictable. We don't know what's going
to happen. And that's that's what's so beautiful about it.
(48:41):
So so like, right now, let's take an example and
Caleb Williams, who was the first player picked in the draft,
and everyone's like, is.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
He any gated?
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Is it going to be any good? I don't know
if he's going to be good or not. I'll just
tell you. At USC A first year, he looked phenomenal.
But guess what he regressed his second year?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
He did. He was not the same player his second year.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
And and I and I was watching, you know, I
watched him very closely, and I'm like, why. It's almost
like you're predetermined in your mind what's going to happen.
It's someone's got in your head that your offensive line
isn't good.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
And maybe they were, maybe they weren't.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
I don't know, but man, he moved around a lot
more than he than he really had to. And he's
gotten in some bad habits now. I don't know that
his offensive line was great his first year with the Bears.
It's a it's a tough mindset to be in.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
As a play.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I had. I had an offensive lim when I was
playing for the Orlando Thunder and we were getting introduced
for our game and he kind of bumped my army.
Standing next to me, he goes, Hey, I just want
you to know I probably won't be able to block
my guy tonight. And he's telling me this as we're
going on to the field. I'm like, dude, I don't
(49:56):
want to hear this. Bluck your guy, Like, don't tell
me if you can can't, Like, but like, what are
you talking about? So when you kind of get something
in your head, you know it potentially could really mess
with it. And I think that might be the case
with Kayleb Williams. But the debate is should he play
or should he not play? And the beginning of the
(50:17):
week they said now he should play. He's not going
to play, and now there's been a lot of talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
That's dumb whatever.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Anyway, Marcus Spears at a comment on from ESPN on
Caleb Williams, Marcus Spears had to say, we've.
Speaker 6 (50:31):
Seen this organization flump all the tests with their quarterbacks
up until this point, and this is one situation where
now you understand the shift that's happening, we take the
onus off of the franchise.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Poe's has done a good job brought being Johnson in.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
This is all about Caleb, and that's why people have
this reaction. When it was when it was Mitch Trubisky,
when it was justin fields, we were like, this is
a horrible organization, this is terrible.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
They don't know what direction they going, none of that.
Speaker 6 (50:59):
So now it is a completely different situation for Caleb Williams.
I understand the type of pressure. I understand the reaction
to Caleb Williams and if he doesn't play well because
of what structurally has happened in this organization. But ultimately,
the dude is about to play like his eighteenth game
in the NFL right when they start this season, for real,
(51:21):
So somebody got to say, let's give him a little.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Bit of time. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I mean, traditionally, the you know, the Bears haven't been
great in the quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
It's not been an absolute.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
They've had quarterbacks through the time that were actually pretty good, and.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
They were for whatever reason, not Hall of famers.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
You know, Jim McMahon, had he stayed healthy with the
Bears and could have played his full career, he probably
would he probably be.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
He'd probably be considered as a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
I mean, I'll just tell you right now, Jim McMahon
better quarterback than Steve Young and no, no question about it.
But uh, and Steve Young is a tremendous quarterback. So
the debate is and I think the challenges is like
and I think some people are worried like him playing
(52:19):
or not playing, because it was almost like they're trying
to protect him and they're trying to protect him, and
the speculation is, well, maybe maybe he's not caught onto
the offense just yet, maybe he's not performing, So why
why expose ourselves to more scrutiny from everyone because we're
clearly getting getting a lot of it as it is.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
And the and the reality for me and so so
it feels.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Like they're trying to protect him, they're trying to hide him,
and and I don't think that's the case. I think
it's they're trying to look at this from the marathon
perspective that football is. It's it's not a sprint a
few series in a in a preseason game, and is
not a spread. Especially I believe they've been practicing together
(53:05):
with the Bills, so he's gotten a lot.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Of work against other teams and other players this week.
That's not bad. The reality, though, is you're a young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
You're learning a new offense, may need to take every
possible rep you can get.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I know I would want to. I don't.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
He's like, yeah, I'd absolutely want to play in this preseason,
and I tell my coach, I'd say, coach, put me in,
leave me in, let me figure all this stuff out,
and you can get all the practice reps you want.
But game reps are are massively important, and they are
to quarterbacks more than any other position. So I just
(53:41):
for me, I don't understand what the hooplaw is about
all of this. The other side of it, too, is
you know, they look at Jared Goff and they go,
he was the normal first pick in the draft, felt
like he's kind of a bust, and Ben Johnson did
miracles with him, and I'm sure that was a lot
of why Ben Johnson was hired with the Bears. And
(54:04):
Ben Johnson goes, I love calebillas tremendous talent. Give him
to me, let me work with him. But it's it's
not gonna happen in five minutes. It's not going to
happen in the first week of the season. It might
not happen completely through this season. It might take a
little bit more time.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Really, it's like kind of about three four years before
a quarterback really really grasp hold of what's actually happened. Hey,
I just want to know that this segment is brought
to you by the Advocates. If you were injured in
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(54:43):
You deserve an advocate. Well, you guys deserve a break.
We're gonna take one right now, the long one. We'll
catch you tomorrow. Thank you, Martin, everyone for tuning in
the Sean O'Connell shows. Next, this is Down in Dirty
with Scott Mitchell here on ESPN seven hundred ninety two
one FM.
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