Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 9-11-25

OC talks with Devon Dampier in a new Dishin' with Devon, More Utes talk as well as NFL with Eric Weddle, Big 12 football with Shehan Jeyarajah, will the NBA actually punish the LA Clippers (?), Lamar Jackson actually have any reason to apologize (?) + more

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
PRABIT.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thursday Body, Welcome to The Shan O'Connell Show on ESPN
seven ninety two one FM. We get closer and closer
to a football weekend. Some interesting games on the national landscape.
Utah's got a trip to Laramie to take on the
Cowboys of Wyoming. Wyoming two and zero so far on

(00:46):
the season. They're stingy defense. They have not played anyone
near Utah's caliber as of yet, but they've done what
they were supposed to do. We'll talk plenty about the Cowboys.
We'll talk about the matchup. Shahanji A Raja is going
to join us on the show today audition with Dev

(01:07):
Devin Dan Pierre his weekly Conversation. We had to shuffle
things around a little bit. Instead of being at noon,
which I know you've come to expect. We try to
make that appointment viewing, appointment listening for you.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
This is just it's something we have to do.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
It'll be Eric weddle at noon and then it'll be
dev at one. So a great show lined up on
a Thursday, and it feels wrong to jump on the
radio and try to keep you entertained and distracted for
the next three hours without acknowledging that as we were

(01:42):
signing off yesterday, we were just learning about something absolutely appalling, horrific,
terrible happening down at UVU, which is a university that
plenty of the people here in our building and in
our community have close associations with people here on our
own sibling station, r UVU Grads. My brother in law

(02:07):
is a student at Utah Valley University right now and
was present at the event. Thankfully, he and as far
as we know, all the students are safe. Unfortunately, a
murder happened in our home state of a high profile individual,
and the reactions the news it's being politicized, because everything

(02:29):
gets politicized. The only thing I feel a need to
say about it on a day like today, which is
of course, also the twenty fourth anniversary of nine to eleven,
which put a lot of things into perspective for us
and made us think about the way that we do
things and changed our lives forever. The thing that I

(02:50):
really want to say is I hope we can get
to a place where humanity is more important to us
than politics, than ideological disagreements, than religious disagreements. If you
agree with me or you don't, I want you to

(03:13):
make it home to your family every night. I want
you to have an opportunity to chase the American dream
and to make a better life for yourself and for
your kids and for anyone associated with you.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Whether I like the way you.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Think or what you believe or not, I want you
to be home safe every chance you get.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Every night.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I want you to lay down in a hotel or
in your bed and wake up knowing that today's going
to be another day where I can chase the thing
that's important to me, Where I can commune with my creator,
with God in the way that I see fit. Where
I can treat my neighbors the way they deserve to
be treated, or I can love the people that I love,

(03:57):
and if I have to, I can try to make
make my points, and I can disagree with the people
I disagree with in a way that is constructive for
myself and for them. And we have to be there
that is America. We have to get to that place.
I don't care what your politics are. Don't text them

(04:18):
to me, don't tweet them at me. I don't care
if you agree with the man or you disagree with
the man. I just want all of us to treat
one another with respect, with dignity, and with a value
for human life. Because it is sacred that we get

(04:39):
to wake up and we get to chase our dreams
in the United States of America, and it is not
something that happens for everyone. And by the luck of
the draw, for most of us, that's how we're here.
I'm not gonna spend a lot of time. I'm not
gonna stay on my soapbox all day.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I just it's important for me.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
It felt important for me today to say to all
of you listening, you probably have different opinions and beliefs
than me. That's fine, Thank you for listening. Let's be
part of a sports discourse at least together. And if
you ever wanted to have a more serious conversation about God,
about your beliefs, about immigration, about gender ideology, whatever, I

(05:27):
would engage in a respectful manner. And when it was
all over, no matter how mad we got at each other.
I would want you to make it home safely to
your family. That should be the bare minimum for all
of us. And clearly we've gotten to a point where
it is not. Let's get back to that if we can.

(05:49):
All right, sports are what we're here to talk about
today on this show. Every day, it's entertainment. We're gonna
have some fun. We're gonna do our best. You will
probably cry a few tears today because if you tune
in even to sports, you're gonna see the memorial to
the guy in the red bandana.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
You're going to hear the phone calls.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
You turn on a country station today, you're gonna hear
the voice messages left from people in the two towers
and on the airplane going down in Pennsylvania. And it's
going to stir up the old memories for you. And
I've told the story on air many, many times, and
I'll tell it again today. I was a senior in
high school who had just turned eighteen years old, and

(06:33):
I walked in to school and my friend Charlie Jukes,
who was a wide receiver on the football team defensive
back on the football team with us. Our first class
was the football class it was called powerlifting. The football
team was in a lifting class, and he said, hey,
there's been an attack, And then we walked into class

(06:53):
and on the old box television hanging on that weird
little stand in the corner, we watched it all unfold
for the next hours and days.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I won't forget the smell of the room, the rubber mats,
the weird, chalky kind of staleness in the air, because
that's how it was in an old weight room, and
being there with my friends, and I remember, I remember
that my station in life right as someone who is

(07:31):
legally an adult now who I'm old for my grades.
So I turned eighteen, like on the first day of school,
and I remember thinking, like, what's this going to be?
And of course immediately conversation went to retaliation and counter
attacks and all that stuff. And my dad, my dad,
who was just on the young side just missed the

(07:55):
Vietnam Era because he was young, was terrified that his
two sons, my older brother and I were going to
get drafted. And my dad changed the rules for me
in our house after that, because I think it forced
him to realize that I was kind of an adult.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Because if the government was going to see me as
an adult, he might need to as well. So I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
It's just a very strange time, and I know that
there are a lot of sports memories associated with it,
many of them positive, many of them negative and tough
to deal with. High school football that week in Utah
canceled all the games and we played the other games
on I think it was a Monday night or a

(08:36):
Tuesday night the makeup game, so you had a Monday
game then a Friday game that week.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
It was wild anyway, Hopefully as.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
You remember where you were and what this day means
to you, it's all, you know, appreciation for the great
country we live in and the freedoms and the opportunities
that we have, and that we exercise those freedoms and
we chase those opportunities in a manner that does not
hurt anyone else.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Off the soapbox. Now, let's talk some football. Sehan J.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Rochs is going to join us in about fifteen minutes,
looking forward to that conversation. College football insider who has
always some interesting thoughts on a Utah football team that
we are still figuring out. And I asked this question yesterday,
and we never really got to flesh it out, and
it's something that we've kind of speculated on as we

(09:42):
draw closer to what we think is the end of
Kyle Whittingham's head coaching career. And I've been on record
to say I think that this is it if you
have a good season, and it looks in the first
couple of games like you're about to have a pretty
good season. So I'm not, you know, stamping it in
ink yet, but I'm saying like, it feels like like
maybe this is the final ride, or.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
The penultimate at the very least.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
And even as we go through this season, and that's
kind of like a background story, there are other guys
that are in the same position of tenure or even
longer tenure than Kyle Whittingham, that are having some real
struggles right now. And I wonder how much our perception
of coach wit is influencer colored by the idea that

(10:33):
we know that it's coming to an end sooner than later.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Mike Gundy is.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Younger than Kyle Whittingham, He's been in the job just
as long as Kyle Whittingham. They got hired the same
offseason cycle. Kirk Farrence is older and has been in
his job longer, and those two guys, it's those three
at the top, the longest tenured coaches in all of
college football, and those two guys right now, Kirk Farence.
It's like every single year, at the beginning of the year,

(10:58):
things look really bad for Iowa, especially offensively, and people
start the Twitter account, the Firekirk Farans account. They start
the conversation among their own fan base like, hey, what
are we doing.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Let's get rid of this guy. Let's start chasing this
guy out.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
And then Iowa invariably finds a way to squeak out
a minimum of eight games, and we're just like, ah, well,
you can't really fire a guy for eight games, especially
someone who's been here for twenty seven years. All right,
let's see, let's see what kind of staff changes he
makes next year. And now the transfer portal. There's an
Iowa effect though, and Utah I think fairly sometimes but

(11:39):
mostly unfairly Utah fans we've come to this this sort
of consensus that like, oh, well, Kyle Whittingham, he suppresses
offensive creativity in a way that is damaging to this team.
And coach Witt has come on the air with us,
and he has said, ask any of my guys if
that's true, And we've asked some of his guys and
they've said, well, no, that's not true.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
He doesn't. He lets me do what I want to do,
let me do what I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
And maybe there are in game scenarios that belong to
the head coach where it's like, we're not gonna go
for it here, We're gonna punt him and pin, we're
gonna do that. Like maybe you can get into that
level of manipulation if you really want to split hairs.
But I'm just gonna have to go by what we
know or what we are told. Kirk Farence though he

(12:27):
cannot fight any of the allegations because right now, and
there's plenty of games left to play, there's plenty of
football left to play at Iowa. He solved quote unquote
solved the problem of getting rid of his own son,
who probably didn't deserve the offensive play calling duties but
benefited from the nepotism, and then Kirk removed him, hires

(12:52):
a replacement, brings in an incredibly prolific offensive player from
the FCS. This Mark Gronowski kid gron We're not gonna
call him Gronk. We're gonna call him gron brings in
like a man of distinguished accomplishment offensively, a ten thousand
yard producer at the FCS level, brings him into play quarterback.

(13:16):
And when you plug that dynamic player into an Iowa
offense that is somehow called by a completely different mind
and still looks the same Kirk Farns, he ain't beating
any of the allegations. It is a place where just
quarterbacking goes to die. And that's a wild, wild thing.

(13:37):
And now he's got to fight the perception that the
game has passed him by that even when he brought
what people thought would be a promising player in the
transfer portal, and it's not the only one, but quarterbacks
the most important one. Now people are like, well, and
you've ruined that. You've ruined that kid. You've not only
made it bad for Iowa, but you've ruined it for
him because this is his last year of eligibility.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And right now, literally right now, you.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Can go and if you want to, you can donate
to a gofund me to pay Mike Gundy's buy out
at Oklahoma State that's how bad people want to get
rid of him right now at Oklahoma State. And those
things are mostly performative and theatrical, But there are people
who've actually put money into the account, and you could
if you want. I don't think it serves Utah it anyway,

(14:24):
and you probably have better things to do with your money.
But these are the guys that are kind of on
coach wits experienced tier.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
We do it.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
We don't rank coaches one through one hundred anymore. We
do put him in tiers. Who are the guys who
are the best, Who are the guys who've been there
the longest. That's those three are the top. That's them.
That's it. That's the twenty plus year club in college football.
And the other two guys are trying their fan bases,

(14:53):
coming at him with torches and pitchforks. There have been
times in Kyle Whittingham's tenure where we you've gotten close
to that unfairly. There were times in Kaloni Sataki's much
shorter tenure at BYU where that's started to happen. It's
always pretty much unfair when it happens to coaches, or

(15:14):
not quite justified as a better way to say it
when it happens to coaches. But the reason I brought
it up on the show and then we never really
got to explore it too much is because it's such
a unique thing that we're heading into week three against Wyoming,
an old conference foe that Kyle Whittingham, by the way,

(15:36):
has beaten the crap out of in most cases. I
guess maybe because of revenge from his days as a
player at BYU, where he didn't have quite as much
luck against the Cowboys. And we're heading into season twenty
one where after plenty of questioning and an offseason cycle
where some Utah fans were kind of like standing on

(16:00):
the edge of the boat to jump off, or starting
to lean the bandwagon over to where it might tip,
where now the waters have calmed, where the bandwagon has
been put back on all four wheels, and then we're
just like, Yeah, that's coach Wit, that's our guy. That's like,
that's not Mike Gundy's world right now, that's not Kirk

(16:23):
Farrence's world right now. There is a sincere thought from
a lot of people in college football and in those
communities especially, that are like, you can't do it for
this long. You cannot have been that guy for twenty
seven years at Iowa, that guy at Oklahoma State for
twenty one years.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
And it's just it's passed you by. You're not able
to do it anymore.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I thought I was ready to stick a fork in Dabbo,
who's what like sixteen years on the job, he's the next.
I looked it up because I was like, we we
always hear about those three names as the longest tenured
coaches in FBS, but we know here after that, what's
the biggest what's the gap there? Dabo is the next

(17:05):
longest active coach and he's at sixteen So it's not
as big a gap as you might think based on
how no one talks about Dabo being one of the
longest tenured coaches, the fourth longest tenured coach in FBS.
And with respect and great respect to Gundy, Farence and Winningham,

(17:26):
Dabo's sixteen years have a couple of championships, right those
they're different. Sixteen years and it was five straight they
made the College Football Playoff. They didn't make it the
first year of the College Football Playoff, but then they
made it the next five years. And then there's a
gap and they made it again last year. So they've
been they might be the team that's made the playoff

(17:47):
the most times, or they're they're right there with the
at the near the top in that.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
So he is.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
He's not only won championships, but he's put his team
in positions to win not just conference championships but national championships.
Every year basically since twenty fifteen, with the exception of
like two or three, he's had multiple top five draft picks.
He's had a top overall draft pick, he's had Heisman
Trophy finalists. He is And the reason I bring these

(18:17):
points up, it's not the Dabbo praise hour.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I'm telling you, it was like another level he's at.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I was so sixteen years of remarkable success and still
there was a time where there was a small ground swell,
but a ground swell of conversation about it might be
time for Dabbo to move on, and when he was
outwardly saying I'm not going to do the transfer portal thing,
I'm not going to do the nil thing, when he
was verbally against the changes in college football that we're

(18:48):
going to make everyone else relevant if they could pay
for it on a level that Clemson already is, and
he was fighting against it. I was like, what are
you doing, man? Can you imagine being the head coach
of a team that is a national power and the
only real national power in your conference, which is a

(19:08):
really special place to be. When the SEC's got three
at least national powers, the Big Ten's got three at
least national powers, you can make an argument for five
at least in both of those conferences and.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
In the ACC.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Dabo really truly Florida State has had its moment in
the Sun in the last couple of decades, but they're
not a national power on the same level as Clemson's.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Caroline is never gonna get there. Miami was there at
a time before Dabo and haven't been back since.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
He was like he was in.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
The catbird seat in so many ways in that position,
and he was the guy who said, I'm gonna do
it like this instead. You guys are all wrong. There's
one hundred and thirty one other coaches that were just like,
we're gonna go with the new system, We're gonna pay
the guys, We're happy that the players are getting my
and Dabba was the only dude of any import who

(20:05):
is out there saying just like, that's crap, I don't
want to do it.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I was like, Oh, that's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
You are gonna torpedo Clemson football to the benefit of
everyone else.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
And somehow he hasn't.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, I mean, Kate klub Nick, his first couple of
years as a starter looked like, I would not not
a bust by any means, but he did not. He
did not look like the guy that he was advertised
to be. And then last year he had an incredible year.
This year, it's been a slow start for him, but
he because of last year, he was getting a lot

(20:40):
of preseason Heisman hype.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I mean that was a big.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
His kind of shaky start to his career at Clemson
was a big part of why another big part of
why they had a like two or three years of
a lull there, but they were still in the conversation
for an ACC title all all of those years, they
just weren't in the conversation of a national title. So

(21:05):
it felt like it felt like a down year, which
is like basically what I'm trying to say is he
hasn't had a true down year at Clemson in sixteen years,
even the ones that we thought Clemson, Clemson's dead because
they can't, because they can't adapt. They were in ACC
title games, winning the ACC still, just they didn't have

(21:27):
the automatic bid for the playoff like we do now,
so he didn't make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
So it's.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
He's had a remarkable run, especially in that context where
in that brief lull, it was like, Okay, I guess
Clemson's not gonna be contending for national championship championships again.
I don't think they're back to contending for national championships,
but they're certainly back that making the playoff last year
puts them back in a national relevancy. You almost can't

(21:55):
fire somebody. You can't as a fan with any sort
of reason in your head, head or heart. You can't
say it's time to move on. And the reason we
just spent five minutes on Dabo is because even with
all of his accomplishment, there was a time where Clemson
was kind of starting that conversation we haven't really had,

(22:17):
not in any sort of significant way. We haven't really
had that moment with Kyle Whittingham, and he's the only
dude who's been in his spot for as long as
he has or even remotely close to as long as
he has that hasn't had that that moment for real,
like for real. I think the closest was probably last season,

(22:37):
not from the university, not from the administrative level. From
a fan perspective fan perspective, that was probably the closest
it was.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
But you need, like.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
For the for administer, for the administration to at a
school athletic department to listen to that to feel the
same way after that long, long a ten after this
long of a ten yure, you need a couple of
years of that at least where it's like okay, you
need a couple of years evidence it's like, okay, maybe
it's best to to try to move on from this guy.

(23:11):
And so far with the with the way this new
offense has has been and they haven't really played anybody,
but the way this new offense looks and projects to
be against really good teams, I think it's uh. I
think that that's still going to be delayed until he

(23:32):
wants to retire, which is the way it should be.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
After this one.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Look, I the the answer that you get of like
the how and the why right as well? I love football,
it can't be only that as much as I wish
that was enough, I wish as I wish that was adequate,
the how as a hell and why to keep that job.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's just not right.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Kyle Whittingham, when it's all said and done, is gonna
have multiple championships. He's gonna have the Ring of Honor place,
he's gonna have the statue, He's gonna have whatever he wants,
he whatever he allows. But and look, the same is
probably gonna be true after it all comes out, for
Mike Gundy and for Kirk Farnce. But right now it
is a unique position where you've got a twenty plus

(24:24):
year head coach that in a lot of ways you're
still in love with.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Those other fan bases are not.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Iowa wants farens out on some level, and even more
so for Oklahoma State and Gundy. They gave him the
pay cut last year, and now the fans have started
the gofund me campaign to pay his buyout. It's just
a it's a crazy time in college football, all right.
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Next, Shahanji, a Rajah college football insider, joins us. We'll
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Speaker 8 (29:10):
Sennassum, you have a piano, mass you too, Sean O'Connell
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Speaker 9 (29:23):
Alright, antle Man Billy Joel one of the most popular
karaoke songs of all time.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Something tells me our next guest, Shahanja Rajah can really
kill it on a karaoke mic.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
We've never talked about that before.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I have no reason to say something like that, but
it just he strikes me as that kind of guy.
Shahonja Raja joins us now talk little college football and
the Sean O'Connell Show.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I am I right wrong, Shahan? Is that is that
your vibe?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Are you a black asked at a karaoke party?

Speaker 10 (30:03):
I'm gonna no comment that one, but I'll tell you
that my wife definitely will tell you that I'm not
quite when it comes to sing around the house.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Okay, So even if it's just in house karaoke, good
enough for me.

Speaker 11 (30:15):
Oh yeah, all right, definitely definitely.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Have you been shocked or surprised by really anything so
far in the college football world through two real weeks
of play.

Speaker 10 (30:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's been already a pretty
I mean, I don't want to know, if you want
to say tumultuous a couple of weeks. But it's like,
I think it's crazy the number of teams that have
already kind of fallen down so far. Obviously Alabama is
the headliner after what's happened to them the first couple
of weeks of the year. That's just not necessarily something
that I expected early on in the season. They were

(30:51):
a team that I very much had in my college
football playoff coming into the year, and they just don't
look ready to go at this point. I think that
over in Big twelve Country, Kansas State, similar story. This
is a team that I definitely had in my top
four in the Big twelve standings coming into the year,
but they look like they very well might be the

(31:11):
Oklahoma State of twenty twenty five with some of the
issues that they've had in the trenches and some of
the problems that they've had in run defense. So a
little bit of a surprise there, but other than that,
I mean, so much exciting stuff happening to this point.
A couple of research and quarterbacks that I've been really
impressed by, Sail Robertson at Baylor obviously, Devin dans Here

(31:32):
at Utah being a guy that I expected, and some
of the other names like Boat Prabula even at Missouri
being one who I'm really keeping an eye on. So
exciting starts of the season so far, and definitely I
think countered some of our what our expectations were.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Is Arizona State among those teams that have fallen off
in your mind? I mean, it's not devastating panic button
level at this point, but they're not where I thought
they would be, at least through the first two games.
You put them in that category. Maybe not in Alabama's neighborhood,
but somewhere near.

Speaker 11 (32:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (32:07):
I mean, I think I've been a disappointment so far,
is what you say, at minimum. And the biggest thing
that I'd say that's been disappointing about them is their
passing game. Like you look at Sam Levitt in that game,
I think he finished with under one hundred yards passing
against a pretty inconsistent Mississippi State secondary and you know,
he definitely threw for sixty yards last year, but you

(32:27):
kind of feel like, Okay, well that's just him early
in the season, trying to get his legs underneath him. Well,
he's got a talented receiver group this year, right, Jordan Tyson.
I've said all year like he was my number two
receiver in the country behind Jeremiah Smith coming into the year,
and Levitt has just been to me very disappointing to
this point. They actually run the ball fine. I think
their defense overall has been okay other than that broken play,

(32:50):
but I mean, they really need more from Levitt, who was,
by many accounts, the consensus number one quarterback in the
Big Twelve coming into the year.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
One of the other top quarterbacks in the league. It
was supposed to be Avery Johnson at Kansas State, and
you know, he has underperformed. Kansas State has underperformed. I
think there's a conversation to be had about whose fault
that is, because they're not letting him use his legs
nearly as much as we've seen from him in the
earlier parts of his career at Kansas State.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Where do you stand on that.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
I understand wanting to keep a quarterback healthy and developing
as much of a pocket passing presence as you possibly can.
But when one of the best assets a guy has
is athleticism, you have to let him use it.

Speaker 10 (33:34):
In my mind, yeah, you know, it's interesting, right because
you kind of alluded to it. It's almost hard to
say who to blame for that, because I know, you
know from talking to people around the program that Avery
Johnson wanted to grow as a passer, believed he's improved
as a passer, wants to be seen as an NFL quarterback.
And so you wonder, first of all, how much of

(33:55):
their game plan and how much of their approach to
the season has been Avery wanting to grow that piece
of his game.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
And by the way, they added a.

Speaker 10 (34:02):
Couple of receiver pieces to try to make his job
a little easier. But I think probably the more damning
thing about it is that with their top running back,
Dylan Edwards out, they've just not been a very effective
team running the ball. And I think that a lot
of that has to do with predictability. A lot of
it's just been inside zone, a lot of it's been
up the middle, and in Joe Jackson, their backup running back,

(34:22):
they just haven't been as effective. They haven't been able
to get outside. They haven't been able to stretch the
field with the running game the same way, and that's
something that Avery Johnson brings to the table. So I
get the idea of wanting to develop him, of wanting
him to be healthy for an entire season, but the
reality is right now, I mean, if you start the
year one and two, which they did for the first

(34:43):
time since two thousand and nine, you might not have
time to try to develop some of those other pieces
of his game.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
As long as we're talking about quarterbacks, one of the
fun headlines in the Big Twelve Conference this week is
that Colorado's expected to start QB three Ryan Stob after
a high profile quarterback battle with two hyper talented guys
that had huge recruiting rankings and all that kind of stuff.
He plays well against Delaware and postgame, I mean, Coach

(35:12):
Prime effectively announced that he was going to start this
week in the post game last week. Is that the
right move to move on already from two guys that
are I mean, four or five star athletes.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I love what we saw from Stob.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
I'm the biggest underdog story fan out there, but is
this the right way to handle a quarterback situation so
early in the season.

Speaker 10 (35:35):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting, right because coming into the
year that situation was wide open. It was assumed to
be between Caden Salter and Julian Lewis, who both were
brought by the way to Big twelve media days. I
think that this is kind of an indication of kind
of how open they are at that position. They have
not gotten consistent play from either of those players. I
will say, you know, the freshman Julian Lewis has really

(35:58):
showed almost nothing to this point, which is fair. I
mean it's his first time ever playing college football. But
for Caden Salter too, it's been quite inconsistent throughout and
so I didn't mind throwing Ryan Stop out there. He
came in and, you know, I believe with seven of
ten for one hundred and fifty yards and two touchdowns,
Like that's not something you can ignore. In live action,
the game was I want to say, ten to seven

(36:19):
when he was inserted into the game, and they run
away with it whenever Ryan Stop enters the game. And
the irony about this is that, you know, I think
that Deon Sanders I compared a lot to kind of
having an NFL mindset to player management, and what I
mean by that is they've often felt like we when
we have players struggle, need to bring in better players. Well,

(36:41):
this is ironically an example of actually sometimes keeping a
guy and letting him grow over the course of a
couple of years is actually the way that you thrive
in college football with eighteen to twenty two year olds.
And Ryan Stop committed to the program under Carl Durell.
He stayed with the program even after Deon Sanders gave
his Whole Louis speech and said, you know, we're bringing
in different guys, and he's managed to grow within the

(37:04):
program and step up in a big way. So I
think he's very much earned this opportunity, but we'll have
to wait and see what he does with it.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Jehanji I Raja, our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
talk at all things Big twelve football right now, Sean
much so they chagrin of some of my listeners on
the Home of the Utes, I like you him high
on this BYU football defense in particular. I saw you
posted a number on your Twitter about how they're giving
up like zero point two nine yards per carry or

(37:32):
something through two games and the level of competition has
not been stellar. I think they're legit though, and we'll
find out as the season progresses. But how long is
it gonna actually take us to find out if this
defense is really, really, really good? Because it's East Carolina
that's a quality opponent. Colorado, especially in the run game,

(37:54):
is not typically fantastic. West Virginia is next for BYU.
After that they've lost, you white that it's Arizona they're down.
It might be the rivalry game October eighteenth before we
really know what BYU's defense is actually capable of. But
where do you stand on the level of tests that
the BYU Cougars are facing, have faced and are facing?

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (38:17):
Well, first of all, I mean, look, I don't care
who you're playing against. You're allowing point six yards per carrie,
Like I couldn't allow point six yards for carry against
my nineteen month old, Like to do it against another.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
College They're crafty that I've got what that are. They're fast, Yeah,
now they're little slippery.

Speaker 10 (38:34):
It's tough, but you know, but like, don't I don't
care if you're doing it against another college football team.
That is crazy, crazy stuff. And I've said all year,
I think that Jack Kelly and Isaiah Laster has a
case of being the best linebacker combo right now in
college football with the way that they're able to cause
so much disruption. But if you want to talk about
units and being able to label them as elite, there

(38:55):
really isn't a good opportunity to know that until that
Utah game. Now, I think going against Arizona's passing offense,
it's going to be a little interesting, But that's kind
of like it. There's not a whole lot else to
be excited about on the schedule.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
Now.

Speaker 10 (39:09):
That was always my point of optimism for BYU, especially
with starting a true fresh and quarterback, is that you
kind of get to ease into it. But this team
could be six to zero, and frankly, we might not
know if they're good at all as yet, just because
of the way that the schedule is lined up. So
I've really got my eyes on that game October eighteenth,
you know, in provo, just going to be a tremendous,

(39:31):
tremendous opportunity, huge game for both of these programs, and
Utah definitely will be more proven by that point. Of course,
they have Texas Tech. You know, in two weeks they
play Arizona State before that game. But I think that
this is also kind of the opportunity where we figure out, well,
just how stress tests can this Utah offensive line be
as well. So that's going to be a marque matchup,

(39:52):
and I don't think that we're going to know for
sure that Dyu's defense is one of the best in
the nation until that game.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
So you just mentioned Utah and Texas Tech. That game,
we as fans, we can look ahead to Texas Tech
Utah big noon kickoff is getting a spotlight time. It's
going to have, you know, all the fanfare around it.
I'm assuming that both teams handle business this weekend and
they're both undefeated and ranked in the top twenty most likely,

(40:22):
how do you see it kind of playing out this
weekend in Wyoming for Utah and against Oregon State for Tech.

Speaker 10 (40:30):
Yeah, frankly, I've got very little question about both those teams.
And the reason that I have such little question is
actually the same for both teams, and it's what they're
doing right now in the trenches. U saw has the
best offensive line at least in the Big twelve, probably
a top three unit in college football. Texas Tech has
the best defensive line in the Big Twelve and probably

(40:50):
a top three to five unit in all college football
if you include kind of past rush David Bailey, all
that sort of stuff. And I think that that's just
going to give them both such a huge floor. And
that's you know, again when you talk about this matchup
in two weeks, and I'm sure we'll get into it,
maybe even next week, but I mean, that's that's I
think the coolest thing about it is that it is
best on best, it's best offensive line in the conference

(41:12):
versus best defensive line in the conference. And so you know,
when you play teams like Wyoming, when you play teams
like Oregon State, obviously, even when you play teams to
the level of UCLA or Kent State or any of
these teams, Like I think that when you have huge
advantages in the trenches, that's where you're able to really
pull away from teams. So very little concern for either
of them this week, and I think we're going to

(41:34):
get a great one in two weeks.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Is Iowa State right now the most proven good team,
maybe best team in this Big Twelve conference?

Speaker 10 (41:44):
Yeah, I think that just because of their resume to
this point, you have to slop them. If I if
I was doing a power rankings, I'd have to slop
them at number one. You know, obviously the results that
we've seen from you know, some of these other teams
like a you know, like a like a Utah, like
a BYU, like a Exis Tech. Even if you want
to throw TCU and they're like, there are positive results

(42:04):
that prove that they can hang as well. But I
mean the level of provenness I guess you could say
with Iowa State right now is just above everybody else.
I mean, they have gone they won on the road
or well, I guess overseas in Dublin against Kansas State,
and I think really handled themselves well there. And they
also beat Iowa this past week and by the way,

(42:27):
beating them in aims for the first time since twenty twelve,
a period of six matchups. So you know that game
ultimately was sixteen to thirteen. But if you watch the
flow of that game, I mean I would say it
was clearly the better team and kind of just let
Iowa back in it because of some miskews. So I
think that I would say it is definitely the most
proven team. I think that if there was a power ranking,

(42:48):
I'd have the number one right now. And it's really
really impressive with some of the guys that they lost
from their eleven win team last year, that they've managed
to re establish re establish themselves as one of the
best in the country.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I'm gonna say the bulk of our Utah Texas Tech
conversation for game week of Utah Texas Tech. So with
that in mind, the games this weekend, Big Twelve Conference
and otherwise that have the bulk of your attention because
I know you watch a lot of them, but you
can't watch them all.

Speaker 10 (43:20):
Oh well, I try. I try my best, man, I
try my best. No, but I think that it's going
to be a huge opportunity this week for both Kansas
State and Arizona. That's that Friday game. It's going to
be a season to finding game, I think in so
many ways, just because of the way that Kansas State
had started the year and what Arizona hopes to accomplish.
Gonna keep an eye on the backyard brawl. I will

(43:43):
say that it's a little better. Before West Virginia went
and lost to Ohio and Jahean White went out for
the year, so a little bit more concerned about that one.
And I think that also, you know Arizona State, I'm
looking for them to have a bounce back spot in
a big game against Texas State. Obviously, you know Texas
State goes they beat UTSA last week. They're one of

(44:03):
those teams that wants to contend for the for the
conference title and for that new year six spot from
the group of five. Well, Arizona State had some trouble
with them last year and needed to pull away at
the end. I need to see Arizona State put that
Mississippi State game behind them and go out and have
a chance to win.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Shahan, it's always a great pleasure catching up with you, sir.
I appreciate your time on the show today and look
forward to our conversation where we will dive in a
little bit deeper to Utah Texas Tech next week.

Speaker 10 (44:32):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Shahan jay Rajah, national college football writer and insider at
CBS Sports. And apparently he could not confirm or deny
his karaoke predilections, although he says his wife doesn't like
how loud he sings in the house, so take that
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Speaker 3 (51:42):
Welcome to our number two on the Sean O'Connell show. Look,
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the show right now, e dub how are you three.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
And oh three?

Speaker 12 (52:19):
And oh?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Tory Pines?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Who? Tory Pines?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Who?

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Two decades of dominance by Tory Pines broken by the
Wettele and Weddle combination.

Speaker 11 (52:32):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
It's a great team effort, and uh man, I was
just really proud. We were down ten to ten to
three and a half, and you know we answered with.

Speaker 11 (52:46):
A two minute tro to get down a field goal
range and gave us some confidence. We kind of shot
ourselves in the foot in.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
The first half, but I challenged the kids to go
win it, and we to.

Speaker 11 (53:03):
Poring drive.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
From the yards plus and our defense got stop after
stop and then our third possession was a best playing
football with QB Neil for the victory. So I couldn't
be proud more proud of them there by their response,
by their staying connected, staying together and keep believing and
to end a long drought of losses. So we're welcoming

(53:29):
to buy.

Speaker 11 (53:29):
At this point.

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Even in San Diego, California.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Both teams ran fifty six total plays, both teams with
thirteen first downs. You had the slight edge in time
of possession. Uh, just A that's a tight game. That's
as close as it gets.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Yeah, I mean it was two good teams, if I'm
being honest, Tories not as as uh dominant if I
could say, in the in the last a few years.
So it was a much tighter battle and we and
we got the doe. Doesn't take away our wind. But

(54:16):
you know, I'm also realistic to understand that you know, uh,
we're we're a good team. But there they came back
a little bit to us and and you know that
had a hand in it as well.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
So what's the bye week look like? How do you
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Speaker 4 (54:32):
You gotta win the buye.

Speaker 11 (54:34):
You know that this is an opportunity to.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Have fun, to invigorate, to get in the weight room
an extra time. Uh, look at look at the look
at the film as the coaching staff see if there's
any improvements, any any different direction that we want to
go offensive special teams. There's obviously areas that we need
to focus on during practice. So we practiced Tuesday and Wednesday,

(55:00):
we'll get in the weight room again. Today. We met
every day and then Friday I'll just have a study
hall for them and let them enjoy the weekend. But
we I try to do practice differently than what they're
used to, with different drills, having fun competitions. I even
had the jv do teamwork against the varsity because they

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like doing that and get on the field together. So
it's been fun. We got working, but also keeping the
keeping the energy high and keep it lifehearted so the
guys don't get burnt out.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
I'm trying to decide if I would like to play
for coach Wetll. I think you seem like it seems
like you have the right perspective that you make it
fun for the guys well also keeping them focused and
like you know, letting them take it seriously, because I
think that there's in high school football there's like a
hard line to draw. Some some coaches run it like
a college program, run like an NFL program, where it's

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very business like and every kids on that wavelength, and
you know, it seems like you've struck a nice balance stuff.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Well, I'm trying. I think I'm learning to shoot every
every week. I'm changing things up or listening to coaches
that have been coaching for decades at the high school level,
and I think my first two years it was very
very strict, and I wanted them to be so good and.

Speaker 12 (56:24):
It works so hard, and the reality is is ninety
percent of them aren't like that and aren't going to look.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
At the installs. They're not going to watch film, they're
not going to study, they're not going to give one
hundred percent every drill.

Speaker 11 (56:37):
So I had to pull back. The standard is never.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Going to change in the sense that I'm trying to
push these guys, but letting.

Speaker 12 (56:45):
Little things ruin my day like it did the first
couple of years I've I've definitely managed better, and honestly, Sean,
I'm tired of guys quitting for reasons.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
That aren't related to football, and I'm trying to meet
all these kids halfway to keep them in the program
because I know how beneficial it is in the long
run of being a part of a football team that
builds these kids up into men. We just did our
first menta character that we do for all the male
athletes Wednesday mornings once a month that we bring in

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speakers to teach them. It was on purpose and what
that looks like in men in today's world.

Speaker 11 (57:28):
And I'm really proud.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Of the things that we try to do for these kids,
and i want them to stay in the program, so
I'm trying to meet them halfway on that.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
It's cool to hear that, and it actually kind of
fits with the question I wanted to ask you, because
you know, right now, Mike Gundy, who's been in college
football just as long as Kyle Wittingham as a head coach,
and Kirk Farnsho's been there at Iowa even longer. I mean,
those three are the like the top of the top
of the top in terms of time at a at

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a school and time goa position. And the other two
are having a real hard year in twenty twenty five.
And it's been a battle these last couple of years.
And Kyle Whittingham looks like he's off to a really
good start. But the reason I'm bringing this up is because,
you know, we've seen coach Wit, who's this old school
guy who's made some adjustments to the new era of

(58:22):
college football and to transfer portals into nil and things
like that, and he's pretty public about the fact that
it's not his favorite thing to have to compromise on,
but still he's found ways to compromise on it and
maintain his status as an elite coach in college football
for going on twenty one years.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
You played for him, you know him as well as
anyone does.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
How do you think coach Wit has outlasted so many
of his peers, especially at one school.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Well, I think as a coach, if you're not willing
to learn, willing to change, willing to adapt and stay
ahead of the times, or stay with it, then you're
going to get left by I mean that that is
that is probably the most true statement for a football
coach or a coach in general, that you have to

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be willing to change and you have to be willing
to think outside the box and do different things and
learn the different things.

Speaker 11 (59:21):
And I think Coach Wood has done that over the course.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Of you know, twenty plus years of coaching. That has
enabled him to still stay as an elite coach, but
also an elite mentor a teacher, a father figure for
a lot of these guys, and someone that really cares.
I mean, you're in such a you're in a position,
an impactful position on these kids' lives that you have

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to take seriously and you have to enjoy it. It
has to become who you are as a coach and
as a figure of giving back. So I think Coach
Wood has done that and has welcome even though some
at times it's it's been not as easy as it
may seem.

Speaker 11 (01:00:06):
But he's in a great position.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Our program's in a great position. The stability, the culture,
the identity uh Utah is a very special place in
that sense, and when people get around it, they gravitate
towards it and really proud of the direction and what
it's become since I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Let's talk to some more specifics here. Utah headed to Laramie,
Wyoming for the road game Old Conference Foe. Your most
memorable time playing against Wyoming, either at home or even
better if it's on the road up there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Shoot. I think it was the three or four the
lights went out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, yeah, Morgan.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Morgan joined us yesterday and he called it the Harry
Potter game because they had to start playing Harry Potter
on TV.

Speaker 11 (01:00:55):
Oh my gosh, so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
I remember sitting. I don't even know where we were.
I don't think it was It might have been the
locker room. But we're just sitting because the lights went
out and we're just waiting for them to come back
on or we're gonna play. We're not gonna play. Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:01:11):
That's why I remember most.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
I remember.

Speaker 11 (01:01:13):
I don't know if it was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
My senior year.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Or junior year at Wyoming. I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:01:22):
I could be wrong. We have to look this up.
I think we may have lost.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Uh, and it was just really like not a very
good moment. It had to be in my senior year.
I don't remember, but maybe not. Maybe I beat them
all four years. It's been a long time, but I
had a fumbal recovery for a touchdown and it was
weaving through and I thought like that was gonna help
us win, and I don't think we won.

Speaker 11 (01:01:43):
So the lights out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Thirty one fifteen, two thousand and six, Wyoming beat Utah
and Laramie.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Yeah, so that that was there was really a highlight,
high point in my senior year.

Speaker 11 (01:01:56):
My senior year.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
My senior year goes like this, lou Is that the
rolls ball trying to get that game to U C
l A who basically said I was a nobody and
couldn't couldn't play for them. Then Wyoming lose and then
b yu at the last game of the year is lost.

Speaker 11 (01:02:13):
So that's what I remember senior year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Why you gotta be so negative? Why you only remember the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Losses, because in most cases, as a player, that's for sure,
you don't. You don't really remember a lot of the
good things.

Speaker 11 (01:02:27):
You'll remember the what ifs and what could have been.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Fair Enough, Uh, this is a really good Utah football team,
at least we think so, right what we've seen, what's
available to us, looks like a team that's balanced offensively
and defensively. There were a couple of miss to sign
Michigan's cal Poly. I know that your standard is incredibly
high for defensive backfield plays, so we'll start there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Speaking with coach Wit and with Morgan Scalley, they they
explained it as guys just got sloppy, had bad eyes,
took their eye off the man coverage and we're looking
into the backfield trying to get greedy and they lost
their man because of it. It seems like something that's
easily coached out. But you tell me if you saw
anything that concerned you against cal Poly and what ultimately

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was a dominant win.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
No, I mean, those things are going to happen, especially
with a young secondary and guys getting experience.

Speaker 11 (01:03:23):
Each game is an opportunity to improve, to learn.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
To grow, and so like, issues like that is much
easier to correct than physical errors that you're just you
just can't do the job and you have nobody else, right, Like,
that's that's much more concerning in the long run.

Speaker 11 (01:03:44):
So I don't I don't see it being an issue.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
It's just stressing eyes on your luggage, right, What is
my job?

Speaker 11 (01:03:50):
What is my responsibility? Who what is my key?

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
You know, we went over this last week and it
was really proud of our safeties of not getting beat
on play action. Letting the tight end tell you what's
gonna happen off what he's doing right. If he blocks out,
then insert inside on an outside. Indn't fit on a
tackle if he releases his pass, if he blocks down,

(01:04:15):
or learn for counter coming back or something coming back
to you or boot, so go to the hip shuffle shuffle,
let that confirm after two steps. So it's those little
details that you go through Indians, you watch it on
film and then you execute it on game day. Is
really awesome to see as a coach because when you're
playing man and a man, your eyes can be your

(01:04:35):
best asset or your worst enemy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
We're seeing, i think in the past rush specifically for Utah,
this John Henry Daily really rounding into becoming a great player. Again,
it's all a wait and see at some point. But
even when you watch the downs where he does not
pressure the quarterback, or he does not make the play,
doesn't get home for a sack or whatever, his effort

(01:05:00):
is there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
The motor is incredibly high.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
He's playing as far as I can tell, assignment sound
on the backside when the play runs away from him,
and things like that. Uh, when you're you know, a
leader in a defense, right if you're like a Lander
Barton a Levanni de mooney and this guy in two
games of real action is starting to show these things.
What's the best way for you as a leader. What's
the best way for you to help the coaching staff

(01:05:23):
to make sure that that guy continues on his growth.
And as a teammate, how do you maximize what he
ends up being? Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:05:33):
Man, good, good question.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
I think the main thing is keeping them keeping him centered, uh,
keeping him humble and and team focused, right. Uh, keeping
the keeping the routine, keeping the process, the process, enjoying it.
Not not all of a sudden. Hey you had a
couple of good weeks and people started talking about you

(01:05:55):
that you stop watching a film, you stop getting that
extra work in. Uh, stop asking questions like that's that's
handling success.

Speaker 11 (01:06:04):
I think for a young guy is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Really the ole, the thing that may or you know,
usually as the hold up or has him stumbled because
you're you don't know how to handle it. So I
think as an older guy, you can you can be able.
You can be able to be that lending hand to
him to stay on him and and get him right

(01:06:28):
if you do see him swaying and and also pushing
him to be even better than what he was or
what he is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
We had, Uh, we had Jordan Gross on You guys
didn't overlap, right, You and Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Gross were not on the same evening.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Uh, he was like you know, before the All American weddle,
he was the All American. Jordan Gross and you guys
played completely different positions, weren't actual teammates. But uh, what
kind of like you guys played against one another in
the league and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
What what what kind of influence.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Does a great player at Utah have on another great
player even if they weren't teammates.

Speaker 11 (01:07:08):
Well, there's always that that a connection.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
There's we are lums. Then we get into the NFL
and we're it's a brotherhood in the NFL, like we
you know, you make it and we went to the
same school, so then we start communicating that way. Then
you see each other at you know, the off season,
at spring game or spring ball, and then you know,
now we're both coaches, so we we talk. We talk

(01:07:34):
many times helping each other out because we're both new
to it and trying to help these kids and what's
he doing, What's what am I doing? What has worked,
what happened in recruiting? How do we help the kids
even more?

Speaker 11 (01:07:46):
How do we help the program?

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
So, uh, I just think the bond you have at
a school that you stay.

Speaker 11 (01:07:53):
At last of lifetime.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
And I think the schools that still promote that in
pre that and dive into that also wanting to win
and also wanting great players. And you got to get
in the transfer portal for depth and for maybe for
meeting media starters.

Speaker 11 (01:08:11):
But when you build.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
With the understanding that you want to develop and build
these guys for the long haul, it can reap rewards
that will last a lifetime. And that's where I love
most about our school and the alums that have played there,
that we are connected forever and will always be there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
You bring up an interesting point that I think there's
going to be a separation, especially now because it's becoming
so much more normal for guys to have played for
two or three different schools in their college football tenure.
There's going to be like, yeah, everyone plays together, and
you always love your teammates and things like that. But
there's going to be like a second category, or I

(01:08:55):
guess it would be the first category, like the top
level where it's like we were there for four years,
we were there for our whole careers. Because it's not
as common as it used to be, and it's it's
in fact, I think by the time you know, the
decades out, it'll be uncommon for a guy to play
all four years at one school to not explore the
transfer portal at all. So there's like probably gonna be

(01:09:18):
a more of a badge of honor associated with being
a an Eric Weddel, a Lander Barton, a Spencer Fano
as somebody that commits to the same school and rides
it out at that same school. And I mean it's
also going to be a luxury for teams that can
keep guys that long. You have to be doing things
right in order to keep guys for that long.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Yeah, I mean it's not Listen, it's not it's not ideal,
and it's the times of change. So what I'm talking
about and what you just said is it'll be the anomaly, okay,
And there are many reasons why it doesn't work out
and it's not always the player want in the league, right,
I just want to put that out there.

Speaker 11 (01:10:00):
A lot of times it's it's the staff pushing them out.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
A lot of the times it's mutual, and a lot
of times it's a guy wants or been offered more
money or more playing time.

Speaker 11 (01:10:10):
Or this and that, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
So I just want to put that out there.

Speaker 11 (01:10:15):
But on the on the flip side is is yeah,
like you'll.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Have the four or five year guys, and then you'll
have the two year guys that came from another school
and finished their career out and became the Devin Dampiers
of the world and really made their mark, which is awesome.
And then you'll have the others that were there two
three years, four years, like a like a Bryson Barnes
that end up U tested where I still think of
him as as a ute and the job he did

(01:10:41):
and he moved on for the reasons to play more. So, Uh,
it's it's ever changing. Hopefully the portal window that they're
trying to do for a one time ten day window
will be enacted and it'll it'll start a lot of
these this movement going on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
It sounds like, that's I mean, that's gonna be the
plan in twenty twenty six. There's some coaches who don't
love it because they expect to be in the College
Football Playoff, But for everyone else, I think it's going
to improve the whole situation. Talking NFL real quick before
we let you go. We had a great Monday night game.
We had a great Sunday night game. The result probably

(01:11:20):
isn't what you wanted as a former Raven, But tell
me your thoughts on a classic matchup Allen versus Lamar
Week one starts the season off with a big bang
on a Sunday night.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Oh man, there's there's a lot of There's a lot
I could dive into with that with that game, and
you should never lose the game of fifteen with seven
or so minutes ago and the way that game unfolded,
there's there's many many things that they could have done
different obviously, But as much as I love uh the Ravens,

(01:12:02):
obviously and I'm a diehard, the the real the pivotal
point in that game was the series before the touchdown
drive that led down to the you know, the fourth
down tip back of the end zone catch session. The
series before Lamar missed two gimme throws that if he

(01:12:22):
completes that twenty yard over out today flowers that he
threw in the dirt with nope, nope, no pressure, and
then the screen if he just completes those balls, they don't,
that's two minutes off the clock that that the Bills
never see, which therefore they never have a chance to
even tie the game.

Speaker 11 (01:12:42):
So as much as.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Lamar is incredible and they're nothing without him, let me
let me make that clear. He has moments where his
technique or fundamentals or whatever that case may be, that
he has just these little mishaps that spiral the team.
And it's not because of him, right, the fumble, all
that other stuff, but it did spiral the team where

(01:13:06):
if he just happened to make those completions, the game's over.
And so uh, it's it is concerning Sean.

Speaker 11 (01:13:14):
I'm not I'm not gonna lie the double digit losses.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Yes, they're up a lot, but this can't keep happening.

Speaker 11 (01:13:21):
And I know Buffalo is a bad matchup for them.
It's just it is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Call it what it is, but it just it just
can never happen. Bottom line, it just can't ever happen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
So this is the monkey that Lamar's got to shake
off his back in some ways that you know, he's
obviously one of the most explosive players at any position,
and because he plays quarterback, he is. I mean when
when it's right with Lamar, when he's doing the stuff
that nobody else can do, he is the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
He's a superstar in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
But that other stuff you're talking about, it's like, Man,
give me a dude who's just going to hit a double.
I don't need the home runs right now. Just give
me a guy who's going to keep the ball in
the you know, keep the drive going. Is that Is
that something that you can coach into him? Right Maybe
you have to coach it out of him, the jitter
or whatever it is in those scenarios where he doesn't

(01:14:13):
have to be superhuman. He just has to make the
routine play. That's weirdly where he struggles sometimes in the playoffs,
and he did in this game. How do you change that?
How do you address that if you're a teammate, if
you're a coach.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Oh man, I mean, that's a great way to put it.

Speaker 11 (01:14:28):
Doing the routine plays in.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
The big moments I mean, that's that's how.

Speaker 11 (01:14:34):
The Patriots won all those Super Bowls and all those.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Games, because they they did the correct things, they did
the little things right, and they basically banked on the
opponent making the mistakes.

Speaker 11 (01:14:47):
And then that's how they would win most games.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Obviously, they had one of the best players, the best player.

Speaker 11 (01:14:52):
Ever, and that helps. But yeah, I just think it's maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Reminding him the situation, reminding him that, hey, just routine plays.

Speaker 11 (01:15:05):
Trust yourself, trust your instincts.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
But let's just get completions and maybe call the game differently, right,
like you get in these moments where you're up and
so much like you don't need a score anymore. It's
it's the time. It's quick game. It's hey, let's QB
run them right, get three to five yards on first
downs and not second and five. Now we can run
outside zone, we can run our power gap scheme. Now

(01:15:29):
we can run screens. We run quick game, Like, why
are you doing a five step drawback and giving the
chance of a misthrow when you don't need it, Like
you don't need a twenty yard chunk play right on
that first down and then the second one the screen.
I mean, there's nothing I can't say anything for that one,
but you know, it's just going through it, going over it,

(01:15:50):
reminding them and as much as he's on his plate,
he wants I don't know. I look at myself being
in that position. I wanted all the pressure on me.
So if we lost, it's on me. If we win,
it's my teammates. Like I can handle that. I know
he can handle it. So maybe it's just like, hey,
the game's on you. What is what we're gonna do?

Speaker 11 (01:16:11):
And then maybe maybe he'll rise up in those moments.
Moving forward, Well, w the man.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
I always appreciate picking your brain. Enjoyed the bye week
for your rancho, Bernardo Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
You're headed to Laramie right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
I'm definitely not. I wish I would have listened. I
would have been at any home game. If it was
a home game, I.

Speaker 11 (01:16:35):
Would have been up there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Gage and I and the fan we are going to
come up I think the last home game of the year,
which will be fun and as a family and then
Gage you can be able to experience that. So but no,
I'm Shanelle and I are actually going heading out to Baltimore.
They invited us out. Yeah, yeah, the Ring of Honor guys,

(01:16:58):
and then I just get to be a fly on
the wall for you know, it's a lot. It's very
similar to myself in the Ravens right Like I was
only there three years.

Speaker 11 (01:17:06):
I made an impact. It's a lot of like the guys.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
That will be here one or two years and made
a huge impact on the university who will be a
part of the university to the end of time.

Speaker 11 (01:17:16):
So it's very similar.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
I'm not like the guys that played ten plus years
there were in the Ring of Honor. But also I
gave it my all and they they look at me
in a in a high regard. So I get invited
out to these little things.

Speaker 11 (01:17:29):
So I appreciate it and it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Well, enjoy that and we'll we'll talk to you next week.
Tell the wife Hi, you gotta go.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Utes and Texas Tech. They got a lot of things
coming out here. A lot of people talking about Rice Ecles.
I don't know who that guy is.

Speaker 11 (01:17:45):
I don't even know what.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
He was on the on his little podcast that probably
had twelve viewers. But the Rice Ecles is gonna be
rocking and they're gonna remind these Texas Tech red Raiders
that they got zero chance once they may have as
a ten am kickoff and that'll last to the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Well, we'll have a lot of conversation about that a
week from today, Dub.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Thank you for your time.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Oh that's Eric Weddle.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
That's our guy, head coach of the Rancho Bernardo Broncos.
How about that they beat Tory Pines first time in
about twenty years. Rancho Bernardo has taken out Tory Pines.
You got a trump card when Eric Weddle is your
head coach and Weddle's hung up, so I can says
now when Gauge Weddle is your quarterback and your free

(01:18:34):
safety kid is an animal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Go watch the tape.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Just do it, like when you're bored on your lunch break,
you're bored at work. You just want to, you know,
waste some company time, get paid to be doing something
not supposed to be doing. Just type in Gauge Weddle
highlights in YouTube and you're gonna see.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
You don't have to know what number is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
You're just gonna be like, oh, there's a guy that
moves like Eric Weddle, but he's bigger than Eric Weddle.
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Daily dump is coming next. Oh boy, Larry Balmer Kawhi,
are you sweating yet?

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Pablo just keeps dropping bombs.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
We'll give you the latest on the clippers circumventing the
cap more evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Just look for the truck with the duck Bally Plumbing
and the Daily Dump. A couple of things come across
my radar here. If this story with the Clippers and
Kawhi Leonard and Steve Ballmer and ownership keeps growing, We're
just gonna have to dedicate the Daily Dump to that

(01:23:56):
every single day. There's a lot going on with this story.
But before we get to that, I also want to
remind you Lamar Jackson he got he got in a
little bit of I won't say trouble because the NFL
has decided not to discipline him, which is the right call,
because a fan reached over into the field or into

(01:24:19):
the sideline area and he shoved he shoved h Lamar's
helmet and Deshaun Watson, no not to Seauan Watson. Why's
his name? The Hopkins DeAndre Hopkins. I don't know why
the name escaped me. For a second, he shoved, he
shoved the helmets of both guys, and so Lamar forgot

(01:24:40):
where he was for a second, forgot that he was
wearing his starting quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens uniform for
a second, and he shoved the fan, which is totally fine, like, hey,
don't touch us, we won't touch you. The NFL actually
made the right decision and said, you know what, that
was a bad moment, but that's all so we're just

(01:25:00):
gonna leave it at that. No discipline there, which I like, yeah,
I mean that we heard the stories Charles Barkley's told
the story of and we know that he's he spent
nights in jail for physical altercations with fans, punching, punching
at least one fan, that kind of thing. This was

(01:25:21):
not that, This was not This was not like obviously,
Malice in the Palace is like the one that we
all point to is the worst athlete fan interactions physical
altercations probably ever, or at least the one that's been
been talked about that way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
This was not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
This was not anything close to that. This was he
was responding to this fan's misbehavior. And yeah, like I've heard,
I heard Dan Patrick say, because Lamar part of the story.
As Lamar did publicly apologize, he said, he said, I
shouldn't have done that. I'm sorry, but also you need
to chill out fan, which I think is totally fair apology.

(01:26:04):
And Dan Patrick addressed that this morning. He said, yeah,
he needed to, he needed to give an apology like
that because no matter what happens, you are not supposed
to do that. But at the same time, this should
not This is not something that I personally think was
a bad thing that Lamar did well, which I totally
fall in line with it. It's the thing is that,

(01:26:24):
right when you're talking like a correcting a behavior with
an equally sort of shocking behavior is not the end
of the world. And if a guy reaches over and
there's no ultimate harm in some fan like hitting your helmet,
smacking your helmet, shoving your helmet, right, it didn't hurt

(01:26:45):
either of the players, and so the shove didn't hurt
the fan, So it's just like, Okay, that's a wash.
And most of the time, when you're talking about the
barrier between professional athlete and fan. You're talking about the
barrier between a person in some position of power or
authority and the person who's like a paying customer. Instead

(01:27:06):
that it gets all convoluted and crazy. It's not that that.
What that was was a kindergarten playground and someone somebody pushed,
like Johnny pushed first, started it, and Lamar pushed back,
and the teacher just goes, Lamar, Hey, no pushing, And

(01:27:27):
you say, no pushing Johnny, who's now banned from the stadium.
No pushing Lamar. Okay, end of story. The kindergarten teacher
knows that that's all it takes. And the NFL played
kindergarten teacher here, and that was the right thing to do.
So I'll just say this too. I don't like that

(01:27:47):
we have to spend any kind of time saying yeah, well,
technically Lamar was in the wrong too. This fan was
acting a fool and he got what he he got
what was coming and it was not that harmful. And
and I do not like how I feel like in
NBA games, we the broadcasters right away are telling us, yeah,
that fan's been banned. Why did we not hear that?

(01:28:10):
On Sunday Night football? I was spending the whole time
after that. Is this fan gonna get any kind of
discipline for what for what he just did? We saw
it on Monday, we saw it later, but it's like,
come on, like we I feel like maybe I'm just
a little sensitive. I feel like basketball, basketball gets a
bad rap for this sort of stuff, and football just
is like can do no wrong with this sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Like let's let's let's get some uh, let's get.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
An update here so we know, so we know because
I was I was upset that this fan, that this
fan did that, and it seemed like there was no
repercussion at the time, and I'm glad to know that
there has been. Like I'm actually okay if if a
band come out with an announcement like we have decided
not to punish Lamar, and if they had said that
fan learned that you don't touch professional athletes or you're

(01:28:59):
gonna get put back in your seat, like if they
had said Lamar corrected the behavior, so everyone's good. I
also would have been fine with that. I don't want
to encourage that kind of thing for fans. But if
it was like like like if you if you do
something and this is where the professional athlete thing. It
gets fans feel that they get to say whatever they want. Right,

(01:29:20):
it's been It's happened to Delta Center, It's happened with
Utah Jazz fans, it happens with Utah fans, it happens
with BYU fans. Right, I am more of like an
eye for an eye guy. As long as no one
actually gets hurt, and sometimes even if someone just gets
a little hurt, I'm okay with it, because again, kindergarten playground,

(01:29:40):
dog bites person, person bites dog.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Both people are fine, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Like I'm a I'm alright with that if that's all
that it takes. I know that institutions and the NFL
and professional athletes, because of how litigious our society is,
you can't leave it to that. But if I'm like,
if I'm a guy, Let's say I'm sitting on a
bench in an NFL uniform, I'm d hop and I

(01:30:05):
took my helmet off and somebody throws something from the
stands and it it like gets my hair wet or whatever. Right,
if I go back with the water bottle and I
spray it in his face, I'm just like, now, we're
even that's enough for me. I'm cool. The league has
to do make a big deal out of it. They
have to talk about fan interaction, They have to talk
about is this safe. The NBA, especially like you're saying

(01:30:28):
James there, has to do even more than that. They're
a lot closer to the action, which I think is
the reason why we hear more about a big reason
why we hear more about those things. But I just
feel like, also, NBA fans get a really bad rap,
but I think it's a little unfair.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
If if you're an NBA fan and I know you
can't actually do this. This is my own Neanderthal brain
speaking here, But if you think you're a tough guy
and you want to say fighting words to Russell Westbrook,
okay example, Okay, let's just Russell Westbrook meet you in
the tunnel and see how that goes for you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
These guys are aliens. I get.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
I'm scared just at the thought of seeing Russell Westbrook
mad at me in any proximity like that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Do you see what that guy looks like like?

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
If you if you think you really want to test,
that guy's body looks like a weapon. You want to
go you want to go toe to toe with run
our test with metaworld peace. Okay, it's like that scene,
but you want to back. How about an octagon in
the hallway. Let's let's for fan like you. You want
to you want to throw something at h at Mark

(01:31:37):
McGuire when he's all hopped up on steroids, Barry Bonds,
good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Man, all right, have fun with it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
You can't adjudicate it that way in sports, in professional
sports especially.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
I mean, who was it?

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Who's the annoying tweeter that the Stevenson guy?

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Didn't that actually happen when he was at b YU
who actually had to go into the fan into the
stands and he fought that was like shoving his dad
or something. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes,
and I promise you, as a civilian, as a fan,
you do not want none with an NFL athlete, with

(01:32:15):
an NBA athlete, with a Major League Baseball athlete.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
You just don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
If you want to say something mean about a college
football player's mom, fine, if you actually end up doing
something that, like true, like if you touch that person's mom,
they should be able to come in the stands and
beat the snot out of you. I just I know
that you can't actually do it that way, but the
NFL deciding, you know what, really no harm, no foul,

(01:32:44):
nobody got hurt, right, Lamar knows not to do it again. Yeah,
just like and I honestly would be like, you know what,
your band is only for the rest of the year. Fan,
you can come back in, but if you touch a
player again, we're gonna let that player put you back
in your seat too. I'd be okay with it. Yeah,
I'm okay with that. It turned out. Also, did you

(01:33:05):
see there was a water bottle or something that got
thrown on the field after Derrick Henry's touchdown that also
did acted like that and never like nothing to see you,
I know. Okay, so the projectile thing is different.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
That was acknowledged. Yet this is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Where my entire argument falls to pieces, because.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Just from that high up you can really do some
damage with it. When you're talking about like anyone this James.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Your kids not old enough to start throwing things at
you on purpose or on accident. But what like when
your two year old throws like a half full milk
bottle at you that hurts. It's like, ow, if that
thing's coming from you know, a thousand feet above you,
like not a thousand obviously, but like hundreds of feet
and it comes flying down to the court or I

(01:33:52):
don't know, man, like the projectile thing makes it different.
That's why when they give you the when they give
you the soda bottle or the water bottle some places.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Yeah, they don't give you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
They'll give you a little cap because they they want, like,
if you're gonna throw this thing, we need the liquid
to come out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Anyway, anyway, we spent way longer on that than we planned.
But I'm I'm I'm with you. I'm glad that the
NFL landed where they landed on that. Okay, uh so
I want to I'm just gonna get to this now
and we can double.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Yeah, let's let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Because Kawhi Leonard and the Clippers and the NBA and
Pablo Torre finds out this is all getting curious or
and curious. So there's more layers to this onion. So
a limited partner with the Clippers. What what's the name
that the name is His name is Dennis Wong. And
because of Kawhi Leonard's UH unofficial agent manager is his

(01:34:48):
uncle Dennis. Pablo is calling him this guy Grandpa Dennis
because he's much older. And there's Uncle Dennis, and there's
Grandpa Dennis. Well Dennis Wong. Grandpa Dennis is a lit
bit of partner in the Clippers. And conveniently, when Kawhi
Leonard was starting to make complaints about receiving a payment

(01:35:09):
on his no show job of one point seventy five
million dollars, this payment is other no show job. He
was his non NBA no show job, his Aspiration endorsement job.
Dennis Wong magically made a one point nine to nine
million dollar contribution to Aspiration, and that guess what happened.

(01:35:29):
James Kawhi Leonard got paid one point seventy five million
dollars shortly after that. This was after UH. This was
after Steve Baumer's fifty million dollar investment, which curiously lines
up almost when you when you talk about the amount
of money in stock options that Kawhi Leonard got from
this endorsement deal. In air quotes, it it's forty eight

(01:35:54):
million that he got after Steve Balmer's fifty million dollar
investment in Aspiration. This was after that. This was after
the company. It had become known this company is going
and going bankrupt, So they're late because of that. They're
late on Kawhi's payment, and Steve Balmer says Steve Balmer
seemingly says, hey, I can't do this, Can you do it?

(01:36:18):
Grandpa Dennis? And boom, He's paid. At least that's the
working theory based on the evidence right now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
I put poll question out today.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Should the Clippers be punished harshly for working around the
salary cap to pay Kawhi Leonard extra. It's seven and
a half million dollars, it's multiple draft picks. They could
be punished harshly in this NBA investigation. There's not a
lot of optimism that they're going to be at this
particular juncture. But if Pablo Torre keeps digging up stuff
like this, it's gonna become undeniable. He might force he

(01:36:48):
might force Adam Silver in the league's hand, which I
which I am rooting for, because salary cap circumvention.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Is way.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
We talked about the Astro sign stealing scandal, like this
is in the same you know ballpark. No pun intended
with that for me because this is This is a
a very important thing for competitive balance around the league,
and they explain this very well in Pablo's podcast. If

(01:37:19):
there was no if they were allowed to do this, hey,
we're gonna pay you outside benefits beyond the constraints of
the salary cap. Steve Baumer is like the fifth richest
man in the world, let alone the richest NBA owner.
He could just he could just get anybody he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
That's right. The money is legitimately.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Ryan Smith, who we talk about being a bajillionaire, is
a He is like you and me. Compared to Steve
Baumer and the Jazz, who already have a perception, at
least perception wise, a disadvantage to get good players, would
have no shot if this was If this was not
if this goes unpunished, which basically says okay or gets

(01:38:02):
slap on the wrists where which basically would signal to
Steve Baumer and all the other mega rich owners that
are not in his wheelhouse but still more than what
we have here and other and many other places in
the league to say, okay, well that's all it is. Okay,
we'll try that too. Like this, this needs to not
go unchecked. So I think that, yes, Joe Smith, the

(01:38:26):
the other salary cap circnvention incident from twenty five years ago,
they the t Wolves lost five first round picks. That's
it's got to be at least that if the NBA
finds this evidence and other evidence, enough evidence to say
they're guilty of salary cap circnvention, Like, it's got to

(01:38:46):
be at least what the te Wolves punishment was probably
more because this is even more egregious than what the
t Wolves did with than free agent Joe Smith Steve Baumer,
according to Bloomberg, one hundred and seventy one billion dollars
of personal fortune.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
You can buy whoever you want. I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Mark Cuban went on Pablo's podcast to kind of say
give his theory that there's a good chance Steve had
was was just conned in this and he had no
idea that that aspiration was doing this, all right, but
he he mentioned that we think of Mark Cuban as

(01:39:25):
one of the richest men in the world, right he mentioned, Yeah,
the deals that I make are nowhere near the deals
that Steve Balmer makes. He he was talking like like
me or you compared to him. The way the way
that that with he was talking with Pablo, like that,
the way the way that he compares his wealth to

(01:39:45):
Steve Balmer's, which should tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Just the how just how wealthy Steve Balmer is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Like there's like, there's like, what twenty billion dollars of
net worth between me and Mark Cuban and there's one
hundred and thirty billion dollars worth of it. That's the difference.
So it's so it's not a you know, it's not
a false equivalent.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
So in any case, rich people think their cap circumvention
is obviously possible for every NBA owner. Here's what I
here's what's gonna get really interesting. Right if people are like, oh,
this is happening in the NBA, let me take a
look at a hard cap league like the NFL and
see if there's anything going on. Yeah, why was Tom

(01:40:25):
Brady taking pay cuts all the time?

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Like this, this could get very very ugly in professional athletics.
Pablo Torri is maybe stirring up just a hornet's nest,
and we'll see what it actually looks like. If I
were to make a bet on those kind of things,
I would bet that it will be Pablo Torre who
breaks the next one. If that's the case, be careful,

(01:40:50):
all right, security team. If Sean O'Connell show continues, we've
got audition with dev coming. As we start our number
three on ute numb on Sports Talk ESPN seven ninety
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You were listening to the Sean O'Connell show. Your source
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Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
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He looks pretty well hydrated, doesn't he. Yeah, that's what
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Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Devin dam Pier, how are you, sir? I'm doing good?
How are you doing all right?

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Two?

Speaker 13 (01:46:07):
And oh baby, how's it feel? It feels great? It
feels great uh being, you know, expecting to win games.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:46:13):
You know that's a feeling that you know, I'd love
to have, uh and the confidence I love on my team.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
So just to continue to keep that rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Okay, let's uh, we'll get to some of the details
of the game here in a second. But your first
start at Rice Cycles Stadium a place that for us,
there's all these great memories and there's this like mental
picture of what a day at Rice Cycles is gonna
be like. That was the first time you actually experienced it.
Did it live up to your expectations how to play

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out in your mind?

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Yeah? They lived down to it for sure. You know.

Speaker 13 (01:46:45):
I got to watch my older brother play last year
and uh, you know my mom told me, she was like,
when you're in the crowd, you were like, you know,
you wish I said, I, I wish I could play
in a stadium like this, And you know, I finally
had an opportunity and it was packed out just the
way it was during that game I came to it
was sick.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
Wait.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
So you attended a game at Rice Cycles as a spectator, Yes,
and you said to your mom, I wish I could
play in a stadium like this at that point in
your mind, was it even a possibility that you would
end up the starting quarterback for Utah?

Speaker 13 (01:47:21):
I guess that really just that was probably a week
I think it was the bailor and when they played
Baylor it was like week three or some somewhere around there.
I had an early bye week and I got to
come out here to play. Yeah, it was, it was
kind of early. But yeah, it's all crazy how it
always out.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Wow, that's that's like poetic in a way. That's really
interesting speaking into existence.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
So so you're sitting there and you're kind of like
experiencing it as a fan, and that experiencing it as
a player versus as a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
I mean, you're obviously on the field. The cheers are
for you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Now give me the difference in like the noise, the craziness,
the you know, moment of loudness before the fourth quarter
or whatever from the fan perspective in the player perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Yeah, I guess. I mean they're both loud.

Speaker 13 (01:48:08):
You can definitely tell in some bad basic telling some
good habits, so you know, that's that's awesome. But yeah, no,
just being being on the field, especially when our defense
was out there, like they got loud on those four
of downs, and offense was having trouble getting off plays.
I was sick to see. And just yeah, I mean
when we made big plays, they let it be known.
So that's pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
Another efficient day for you. Seventeen to twenty three, one two,
three touchdowns, zero interceptions. You're near the top in the
country right now. Completion percentage. Obviously you've been taking care
of the football. Those are two things that you stated
as goals with us in our first conversation. So through
two weeks, are you where you want to be with

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those numbers?

Speaker 13 (01:48:53):
I think I'm doing a solid job right now. You know,
just always look at that film. You always look at
Oh man, I could have went somewhere else. I could
have been on your percent this game, but you know,
those those little things. Just to keep better in my
decision making. And uh yeah, I mean I think we're
we're on a good track as a team, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
You and I have already talked a lot about your
offensive line, and everyone in the market, everyone in the
country talks about this offensive line, and for I think
good reason. A different shuffling of bodies for at least
half of this game Mokafiici goes out, and obviously Jared
kump was just you know, he was on the sideline dressed,
I guess, ready to go if needed. But when you

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shuffle the deck a little bit on the offensive line,
how much does that change things for you?

Speaker 13 (01:49:37):
So honestly, Uh, like spring in fall camp, you know,
just certain days, you know, we kind of held our
starters are starting to align, just you know, let's not
beat them up before you know, game time actually comes.
So sure, I've got to be behind you know, our
our two's in each position, so when they go in there,
you know they've all played together, We've shuffled our line before,

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just you know, have guys in there just in case.
And uh, you know, I think everybody was ready to
step up when the time game.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Do you do you like the home environment or the
road environment better as a competitor, because obviously when you're
at home, everything, you know, especially in a game like
this one, you're scoring a bunch of touchdowns, crowds cheering
you want and stuff you got that little I don't
know sparkle in your eye though when you talk about
any competition, So, uh, do you prefer being the quarterback

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at home?

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
Or the guy on the road who's silencing the crowd.
I think I love being home. I did.

Speaker 13 (01:50:30):
I do love being home. It's it's a uh, it's
a great feeling. You get to play and you know,
find all your fans, everybody that wants to be there. Yeah,
I mean yeah, there's just nothing like home. But you
have not a going somewhere and taking over. It is
always a that's always fun to do as well.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Uh, tell me what halftime was like at at Rice Ecles,
because there were a couple penalties in the first half
right Game one was almost I don't know, it set
the bar for everyone in a strange way because it
was such a clean performance. So we fished on third
down almost no penalties, like no procedural penalties. And we
saw a little bit of that creep in in week two.

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And obviously you had the two big plays toward the
end of the half, end of the first half, so
you guys go into the locker room with this huge lead,
and we had all kind of assumed that the second
half would not really feature you not really feature a
lot of the starters. But what was halftime like given
that you know, the first half wasn't quite as clean
as you see, la.

Speaker 13 (01:51:31):
Yeah, I'm just thanks in the mental errors. Yeah, again,
those those penalties definitely heard our you know, third down making.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
You know, we are in a lot of.

Speaker 13 (01:51:41):
Third and long situations instead of you know the normal
third and two, third and three we normally played with.
So just see you and you know, just telling the
guys to lock in. We shouldn't have taken taken the
halftime to have to lock in and get these small
things fixed though. Happy we did get it fixed as
soon as we came out. But yeah, the big emphasis
is just you know, come out like we normally do.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
You gave a lot of respect to cal Poly before
this game, because, as you said, you've been at the
lower level so to speak. They surprised me a little bit,
not because they were more talented than the thought that
they just fought hard, right, They had guys completely undersized,
not as athletic, but they were making plays anyway because
they were I guess, you know, proven to themselves to

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everyone else that did it surprise you at all what
you saw.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
From you know, cal Poly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
The fact that you got sacked against cal Poly of
all teams, et cetera.

Speaker 13 (01:52:29):
Yeah, yeah, I knew. I thought they were flying around
for sure. Yeah, especially even that play. Uh I wasn't
expecting that linebacker to come down as fast as he did.
So uh, yeah, they got they got a good thing
going on over there. So you know, I'm excited to
see what they do for us this season as well.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
They're probably do not feeling great after putting up you know,
no touchdowns, only nine points, But I thought it was
If there's such a thing as moral victories in football,
I thought that they accounted pretty well for themselves, at
least from an efforts standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Devin Dan Piers our guest here in the Sean Show.
This year with Dev happens every single week.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
We had a conversation with your offensive coordinator last week,
and I asked him the same question. I asked you, like,
who do we need to see more of? Who do
you want to see breakout a little bit more? In
Week two? You said you wanted to get Ryan Davis
more involved. He said, I got to get Ryan Davis
more involved. He also said he wanted to get Hunter
Andrews more involved, and then that happens in Week two.

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Now six catches fifty eight yards a touchdown, He's capable
of still more than that, but did it feel good
to accomplish that stated goal, like, let's get this guy
more targets, let's get this guy more catches, and same
thing with Tobias.

Speaker 13 (01:53:41):
Yeah, just coming here with RD Yeah, just you know,
we've had that connection all all dur in spring and
fall camp, especially even last year. So that's definitely, you know,
a guy that I got a lot of trust in,
so I was happy to, you know, let's showcase that,
you know, we have a really good connection. Then I
think for the most part, where probably one hundred per

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me throwing him or something something like that, that something's
like just targeting completion. Yea, so far it's yeah, really good.
All right, I'm glad he got in. And yeah, I
mean Hunter again, he's that that swist Knight for us.
He can really do it all. So yeah, good to
feature him as well.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
I loved it because this happens a lot where you'll
talk to a coach and you'll say what does this
team need? And they'll they'll tell you, but then the
next game you still don't see it, right, And I'm
like that you said this was gonna happen, that still
didn't happen. I mean, obviously we only got one game
sample size here, but I imagine from a player perspective

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as well, when a guy like Jason Beck says, hey,
we're gonna get you more involved. Not you, but like
Ryan Davis, we're gonna get you more involved. Don't worry.
I know what you're capable of. And then that actually
comes to fruition. I imagine that builds a certain amount
of trust. But players and the play caller.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 13 (01:55:04):
You know, our coach is big on you know what
you do well, and you show it in practice.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
You know you should have the opportunity in the game.

Speaker 13 (01:55:10):
So if you're about it in practice and you're doing
what you need to do, and you know the play
looks confident for the week to run in game, then
you know we're going to go to it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
So just earning the reps and uh yeah it does.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
Pay off, all right, all right, tell me how a
play like this is handled. Not necessarily on game day,
but after film you get back out practice. Whatever there
was I believe it was the second quarter. You probably
know better than me. Where you know, play breaks down
a little bit. You you got to scramble out, You
roll out to your right and long pass down to

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the north end zone dollon Bentley right there at the
goal line. It's his chest and is incomplete right. I
know he hates that play. Obviously, it all worked out
just fine. He ended up scoring. He ended up having
a really alid game blocking and catching. That play is
the kind of play when you're on the receiving end,

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it can haunt you. Oh I dropped one or whatever.
How do you handle that with your tight end?

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:56:10):
I think the biggest thing is this, you know, letting
those guys know that they should still be confident in themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Everyone makes mistakes. It happens, and yeah, I mean I'm
just the.

Speaker 13 (01:56:20):
Type of got to lift up our team, you know,
Like I'm definitely getting on them. It's a positive get on,
know the bring them up, not a tear them down
type of get on.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
But then on like Tuesday, you're not making fun of
them like oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:56:34):
No after the game, it's like, all right, now next
time I need you to hang on to that way.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
Oh yeah, I that was That was one of those
plays where look, like I said, it all worked out
in the end. I feel like we saw kind of
like a little snapshot of what everyone hoped they will
see from you, right, using the legs for es capability,
but then the arm is what delivers it down. Feel
if it had been a touchdown better obviously, But in

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your mind is that like Devin Dan Pierre the quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
What what?

Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
I don't know what you're truly capable of?

Speaker 13 (01:57:13):
Yeah, you know, yeah, I feel like that game I
was able to, you know, show the scrambled throw in
the takeoff as well.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
So yeah, again I played whatever the defense gives me.

Speaker 13 (01:57:25):
But yeah, I mean I felt like you got to see,
you know, the best of both worlds, me running at me,
still passing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
It, running a little bit less, a little bit less
contact in this game. Was that something by design or
was that just how it played out?

Speaker 13 (01:57:39):
Big emphasis? Yeah, yeah, after last week it was. It
was a big emphasis going to this game. We just
had to make sure I could do it if you know,
if it was needed.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
Okay, when you say it's a big point of emphasis,
how was how do the coaches approach that with you?

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
Where?

Speaker 3 (01:58:01):
I mean imagine it comes up in film and then
that practice house it handled like, hey, get down.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (01:58:09):
It was just the one time, one time conversation. Uh, well,
after we got done watching the film. You know, our
coach always asked, what's our takeaways from the game, and uh,
that was the one to takeaways is learn how to
get out of bounds, learn that have boy hits if
it's needed. But I mean, if you gotta get the first,
you get the first. But besides that, you know, care
of your body. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:58:31):
The second half was was mostly backups. It was mostly guys.
Uh what backup at quarterback? It makes sense backups for
every other position, especially the skilled positions. These are guys
we're gonna see in every game, it feels like. But
I asked you before we cut the mics on about
your relationship with bird ficklin. I know that it's against

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cal Pauly, and it's against the cal Pauly team that
is kind of like already waving the white flag. But
he showed some really nice things in this game. Is
that what you have come to expect from bird Fickle?

Speaker 11 (01:59:04):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (01:59:04):
Yeah, he had a he had a big fuck camp
before coming into the season, so uh yeah, I mean
the bar was so high for him when he gets it,
when he gets a chance to go in there and uh, yeah,
our coaches wanted him to get that experience, you know,
to be able to have a half under his belt.
And uh, you know, I thought he performed really well.
He handled the end of the pressure of uh running

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the offense very well and yeah he was poais in
the pocket and just just all that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:31):
Could you articulate for me what the relationship is like
with your with your backup quarterbacks because it's a unique
position where you don't want to see them play that
much because you want to be on the field most
of the time. When you do want to see them play,
it's in scenarios like this one where the game is
not on the line.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
I know you want them to be successful.

Speaker 3 (01:59:48):
I know you're friends with these guys, but it's it's
different than a lot of positions because there's only so
many snaps, right, and they belong to you, your QB one.
So how do you handle that being the guy who's
the de facto leader in the room who has to
help them grow, but at the same time being like,
but this is my show.

Speaker 13 (02:00:07):
Yeah, I think it's very it's very mutual and very
genuine at the same time, you know, there I tell
them they have freedom to correct me during practices and
just stuff like that. You know, they can get on
me as well as much as I try to help
them also, So I think we've got a very mutual
friendship it and just especially in in our QB meetings. Uh,

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you know, we're we're joking around and stuff we're having
fun with with football and things like that. But yeah,
just from a football standpoint, I thought they they've been
playing really good just springing in fall camps.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
So you know, I trust them that.

Speaker 13 (02:00:41):
You know, if I go down, you know Utah is
still in a safe ball with whoever goes in.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
So are there plays in the game where maybe coming
to the line of scrimmage, you know this is about
to be a big play, or as soon as the
ball leaves your hand you have recognized that all this thing.
Like I was, I was watching from the end zone
when you threw that ball to wa Sean, and so
from that vantage point, I could see that there was

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no one within like twenty five yards of him.

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
I was like, Oh, that's a bust. He's gone.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
Are there plays that one, I imagine and maybe others
where you're just like, oh, watch this, this is about
to happen.

Speaker 13 (02:01:18):
Uh see, that's one of those like that was more,
you know, like an efficient kind of call.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
We know me make you know, we just want five
to ten yards.

Speaker 13 (02:01:27):
Sure, let's move the chains and yes, And sometimes it
is one of those plays if the defense does mess
up in a way that that play can turn into
some day. So when I was reading it and I
saw it, I was like, oh, okay, we're about to
get yards on this and then he took it the
whole way.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
Yeah, that was it. It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:01:47):
And of course that's a moment where you get the
feel of right cycles right because everyone can recognize what's happening.
Everyone sees green grass in front of him, gets really loud,
all that stuff. Team rush for two hundred seventy three yards.
We saw Nate Johnson as the leading rusher here. Now,
Nate was described to us many times as the same

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way that Hunter Andrews. They're kind of Swiss army knfe players.
You're gonna see him do a little bit of everything. Now,
Nate seems like he's showing really really good instincts for
running even in traffic. Do you think we see more
of him in scenarios like that?

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
Yeah, I think Nate's one of those guys. You know,
you get him to the ball, positive things tend to happen.

Speaker 13 (02:02:30):
So yeah, we try to get him the ball, you know,
as much as possible as well.

Speaker 2 (02:02:35):
You know, we got a lot of guys on our team.

Speaker 13 (02:02:36):
Obviously, he's just named Hunter and Snowden's one of those
players as well. You know, you put them in open space,
they're gonna go get yards for us.

Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
I'm starting to have a complicated relationship with the defensive
guys on offense, all right. I'm looking at especially with Lander,
all right, and you can help me talk through this.
Lander Barton is capable of being like an All American linebacker,
right and he's all that's a really solid tight end
if you need I look at well, you have Hunter Andrews,

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you have JJ, you have Dallan Bentley. Do you need
to use Lander Barton and maybe accidentally take something away
from his ability as a linebacker. Again, this is the
fan in me, not even like the radio of the analyst.
I'm just like, let that dude go out and be
the best defensive player in the conference and not have

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to worry about offense. Of course, the coaching staff knows
much better than I do. But how is how is
it handled in practice? Is it even reasonable for me
to worry that his offensive time is taking away from
his defense?

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
Yeah, not at all.

Speaker 13 (02:03:41):
You know though, the way our practices are structured as
well as too. You know, they we we do extra
training with them, like after practice, just like, uh, maybe
five ten minutes just talk about plays and whatnot. But
you know, that's that's kind of about it about it.
They're they're true athletes. Like when they go in there,
they probably practice the you know, maybe three or four

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times during the week, and you know, when they get
in the game, they make it look like they've they've
played offense this whole time. So but yeah, I mean
they're definitely on the defensive side. They do what they
got to do on that side that comes first for them.

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
So what kind of what kind of relationship do you
have with John Henry Daily? I mean, people who haven't
been in the environment, like offensive defense is not as
much mixing on teams necessarily as people might think. It's
not like when you're in high school and everyone's going
both ways and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
But it's not like you don't know these people.

Speaker 3 (02:04:33):
Yeah, John Henry Daily's emerging as like a real weapon,
potentially a star for this team.

Speaker 2 (02:04:37):
What do you know about him? Tell me what that
relationship is like.

Speaker 13 (02:04:40):
Yeah, so John Henry, he's in the pot right next
to me. But uh, I think I talked to John
every day seriously, Yep, I think because he has to
walk by my pod to go to the shower, and uh, yeah,
we just we have a good relationship since I've gotten here. Yeah,
it's such a good guy. And you know, I've been
I've been tuning his own in a little bit. Also,
I've been. Man, You're you've been killing it out there,

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you know, keep it going and you know. Uh he
said the same to me, So uh yeah, very very
good pace, uh with both of us.

Speaker 3 (02:05:09):
Yeah, I mean good things are happening obviously, and we're
through two games. Coach Win has always told us, wait
until you're in game four, after four weeks, you kind
of know what you have. Even as a coaching staff,
he said that for years and years and years, you're
halfway to that point. Do you feel like you have
a good sense of what this team is capable of now?

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Do you feel like you know where you need to
uncover some more or where all the things that need
fixing can be fixed.

Speaker 13 (02:05:37):
Yeah, you know, we we've been playing so good as
a team. You know, our games haven't been close yet.
You know, I'm waiting to give one of those games
where you know, it's just maybe a score or two game,
do you know, just just to be putting in that situation,
to see as a team where we're at when that
situation comes. But I mean we've been we've been starting

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off so well that you know, we we haven't even
put ourselves close to that situation. So I mean as
a team, I feel like I know where we're at
so far.

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
But yeah, again, you just want to see more, and
you know Week four normally allows that to happen. So
Wyoming a trip to Laramie.

Speaker 3 (02:06:15):
It's not the most glamorous spot, doesn't smell as good
as some places. You you have some familiarity with Laramie.
You've played there before as a freshman, right, yep.

Speaker 13 (02:06:26):
I got in the second half. Our quarterback or sorry
quarterback to good big hits. So I got in the
second half and he was able to score two touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (02:06:34):
So okay, so positive history so far in Laramie. What
are you seeing from the Cowboys on film? Where where
do where do you need to take this team most seriously?

Speaker 13 (02:06:44):
Yeah, I just I think they're again just just like
I Belueld. They fly around. Those are some tough dudes
up front and you know, very disciplined team, very few
mental errors, big plays, you know, they rarely give those up.

Speaker 2 (02:06:58):
So just to be doll in all four quarters going
against him?

Speaker 3 (02:07:03):
How much attention is paid to headlines to I mean,
you guys moved up in the rankings, which is always
cool to see that respect for the team. I know
that you're very dialed in on what's happening right now.
The Wyoming coach, as he said, I he has a
vote in the Coach's poll. He said, last week I
put them twelve. This week I put Utah as the

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tenth best team in the country. So Wyoming's head coach
thinks that you are a top ten team and he's
been public about that. Is that something that has come
across your radar?

Speaker 13 (02:07:34):
Off, No, that's the first time I heard it. But
that's that's a lot of respect. You know, we appreciate
that for sure. But yeah, I mean it means nothing
if we don't go out and you know, prove what
we got, So take every week serious, you.

Speaker 3 (02:07:47):
Know, And I mean the way that that's most meaningful
probably is that he's preparing his team to play against
the top ten squad. He feels like this is their
super Bowl for lack of a better term. If that's
what the coach thinks of you, he's going to be like,
you gotta this is the biggest game of the season
for whyalm, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (02:08:05):
And yeah, as they should as they should handle it
every game should you know, be that game for sure?

Speaker 3 (02:08:10):
So yeah, okay, I don't want to get you in
trouble because I know coaches want to be one week
at a time, one game at a time. But the
announcement came out last week that the conference opener Texas
Tech is going to be big noon kickoff ten am
game at Rice Secles.

Speaker 2 (02:08:27):
The television crew is going to be here.

Speaker 3 (02:08:29):
Two ranked teams we assume that are both undefeated at
that time. We'll see what happens with you guys in
with them. Uh, is that something that you have all
talked about or thought about just yet?

Speaker 2 (02:08:40):
Now that as a team, as a team, you know,
we stay one week.

Speaker 13 (02:08:43):
You know, my parents they call me though, they're like,
we got to switch our flights around.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
Yeah, because that game got changed.

Speaker 13 (02:08:49):
So you know, that's all I've heard about it so
far now looking anything into it yet, Gotta handle this
week first.

Speaker 3 (02:08:56):
In general, not not taking the focus away from Wyoming
better in general. An opportunity to showcase yourself and your
team in a national time slot, on a national stage
with everyone's eyes. That's a great opportunity and seems like
something what little I know about you, seems like something
you would be excited about.

Speaker 13 (02:09:16):
Yeah, I think you know that's a that's the reason
why a lot of guys play college football, so you know,
showcase their talents at the highest level. And you know
we put ourselves in that situation going through this week
good then you know, yeah, that's gonna be a really
exciting game for us.

Speaker 3 (02:09:32):
I'll probably ask you this every week we have a conversation.
But you're through two games now in this Utah uniform.
You've played incredibly well, your team's played incredibly well.

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
Has it surprised you?

Speaker 3 (02:09:45):
Has anything come as a you know, it didn't live
up to your expectation, or it's exceeded your expectation, or
you just had a different mental picture than what it
has been. I'm talking everything, social life, campus life, football life,
all of it. Is this the as you we're hoping
to have when you transfer to Utah.

Speaker 13 (02:10:03):
Yeah, I would say the biggest surprise. You know when
you do go through camp. You know, when offense wins,
defense wins. You know, you never know, uh if we're
both really good or we're both suck, you know what
I mean. So, uh, you know, just have two weeks
under the belt and you know we're both holding it
down on both sides of the ball. You can say

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offense had a little bit better game than defense first game,
than defense has a better game than that's the second game.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
So you know, this is awesome to see that.

Speaker 13 (02:10:32):
You know, we're such compliment We're such complimentary team. We
all work together and uh yeah, just has a fan base.
It's been awesome. I got to meet a couple of
kids just outside of football and things, and just the
way they respond to me and how they look up
to me. You know, I'm happy to the way I'm
carrying myself here and I just want to continue to

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do that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:53):
Well, so far, so good. Do you have a do
you have numbers, goals or anything like that for Wyoming?

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
Anything?

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
That you want to get done, any any box you
want check against the Cowboys.

Speaker 13 (02:11:02):
Just a win. It's about it. I need that win.
I'm going too against him right now. So oh yeah,
I definitely need that one right now.

Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
The revenge game against the Cowboys of Wyoming. All right, man,
well go get this win. Body's healthy, everything feels good.

Speaker 2 (02:11:21):
Yeah, everything's great. Tell the truth. Oh yeah, we're good. Okay,
all right?

Speaker 3 (02:11:25):
Was it nice having the second half to rester. You're like, man,
we get all geared up. We do preparation for one game.
You only get to do it once a week. Is
it like a double edged.

Speaker 13 (02:11:34):
Sword there where you yeah, play a little bit of
both for sure, because I was like, man, I wanted
to play like two more drums, but I was like,
you know what.

Speaker 2 (02:11:44):
Bergan in there and just the way he played it.

Speaker 13 (02:11:46):
He was like, you know that was that was definitely
something he needed in Uh, some of you he fed
off of.

Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
All right, Well, good luck against Wyoming. It's always great
talking to you, man, thanks for coming in.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
Yeah, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
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Speaker 2 (02:21:05):
Playoffs are about to start, and.

Speaker 3 (02:21:11):
We don't do enough to cover the rise of that sport,
the rise of women's basketball. Caitlyn Clark being injured and
out has really kind of taken a little shine off
of it and things like that. But I did not
want to let this story go without being noticed. And James,
I know that you know you've got a young child.
You've you've seen your wife go through the childbirth and
the labor or the pregnancy situation and the recovery after

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having a baby, after.

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Carrying a baby.

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Yeah, the Holly Row actually put the summer radar the
I always knew it was no joke, but after you
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Oh see, it's it's certainly certainly not the recovery for
that is certainly not something that that's appreciated enough. So
Cheyenne Parker Tias Okay, Seyanne Parker Tias is not one

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of the top names in WNBA basketball, No, but a
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Speaker 2 (02:22:43):
It's just not even on the radar.

Speaker 3 (02:22:45):
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Speaker 2 (02:22:54):
That's July first to September ninth.

Speaker 3 (02:22:58):
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is you know that the recovery process can be long
and extensive and difficult. This woman went from being in
the delivery room to on a professional basketball court in
ten weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:23:17):
That is bananas.

Speaker 3 (02:23:19):
I've said this before. What Serena Williams did now, going
on ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:23:26):
She four or five months pregnant at the time.

Speaker 3 (02:23:28):
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at a championship level. Serena, even without winning that US Open.
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go through, not just physically, O see the postpartum depression,
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that's something else that we don't see that she's that
this player's dealing with. And yet she's back on the

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court less than three months later. Like, that's seventy days.
The most impressive thing I've heard of. Seventy days after
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in professional sports and you say, that's people.

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Speaker 3 (02:24:57):
Seanne Parker Tias Debt gave birth to her son, Joshua
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a seventy day difference. Seventy days between giving birth and
playing a professional basketball game.

Speaker 2 (02:25:15):
Most.

Speaker 3 (02:25:16):
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And they're not the ones who gave birth.

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