Everythin' Yet Nothin' and Ace O'Hearts #1

The first of 3 episodes with the Renowned Drag Genie. Join us to see what made Ace O'Hearts the Drag Genie that he is today. This is the first of a 3 part series. Tune in for the Saga that is Ace O'Hearts!

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Episode Transcript

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Warning. The following video contains stronglanguage which may be offensive to some viewers
and or inappropriate for children. Thecontent within this video is intended for mature
audiences only. Welcome to Everything YetNothing. Here's a hill billy and eyeshadow
who's looking fabulous and talking about anythingyet Something. Get ready to chew on
a blade of sweet grass and talkabout a variety of LGBTQ topics to the

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lifestyle of a gay hill billy.Watch out books. These hills don't just
got eyes, they got themselves apodcast. Now here's t Roy Hey,
hey, hey, and welcome toEverything Yet Nothing. Oh my god,
we have a show for you.Actually it's a three part So I'm so

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into the individual that is coming onhere. We met him a little bit
ago and he was awe down up, Oh my god. I fell in
loath in then, because he's justthis type person that don't give a shit.
He is at theirs to love everybodyand he don't give a shit if

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anybody loves him back. And uhyeah, we have that in common.
So I think that everybody is goingto appreciate this individual. He is very
talented, he's very loving, verycaring, and he's one of a kind,
and I'm telling you absolutely one ofa kind. His favorite colors are

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red black. So I did thatfor him, you know, like I
usually do for my guest. Butlike I was saying, we have a
three part and it's going to beabout his life. It will be him,
about him growing up as a kid, into his finding himself, into

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becoming who he has become then andend up to who he is today.
And that I think it's going tobe very interesting. And I love interesting
things. Magical, I tell you, magical. Oh my god, did
you know that he was? Hedid like talent for Disney? I mean,

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wow, not everybody does that.You know, you gotta be very
special and very good at what youdo to get on Disney. I mean,
hello, dosnet he. I mean, if nobody knows what doesn't he
is, you got a problem?Okay. So and uh, I guarantee
he rocked that shit because it absolutelyblew the hell up whenever he was there.

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I'd never seen any but I'm surethat if I did, my god,
I would have fell in love withhim then, because he is the
type of person that he has thataura that everybody should love. And it's
that aura that just attracts the rightpeople and makes you feel good, and

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it gives you the warmth and theacceptance and just the pride within yourself and
within others. You know, likeyou can look at somebody and tell,
oh my god, they're really likeproud, and this individual is very proud.
I am proud of this individual becauseit's not easy to be who we

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are today, and you know,with us being out there, it's helping
more than just individuals. And I'mhearing my echo because my phone's one.
I love to hear myself. YesI do. Guys, thank you for
joining me in Oh. And thisis my co host and lovely security,

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Kevin von ch Oh. I didn'ttell this individual of this, but we
have an audience and anybody can comeon this audience and ask questions or make
comments. So I'm hoping that hispeople come on and say hey, or

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piss off or you know, anythinganything at all. I don't care.
It could be anything. I loveanything, So I don't know how I
loved today. Today we had awinch remix. Can you play that shit?
Like? Are you serious? Sleeep, snow and rain. It's ridiculous

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and people don't understand that this weatheris bipolar nowadays. I mean, come
on out, make up your dayonline, because my mind's already made up
and I'm done with this. WhatI'm ready for the warmth and laying out
and going swimming and my g stringsand you know, having really cute straight

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men. Just look at me strangebecause my g string is up my ass.
But hey, you gotta love it, right, No, not really,
I would never do that because I'mso shy. Do you believe that
me shy? So? Um?What do you get this weekend? Oh
my god? This weekend? Well, for the first time ever, we

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are going to Yureka Springs, Arkansas, and we are going to walk in
the Diversity Pride Pride. I don'tknow why I forgot that. And I
get the walk. But the beardedqueens, well I call them ladies because
they like to be called ladies.Well, honey, I am a lady.

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And when I have a beard on, like, we don't get over
the anyways, Come to Eureka andwatch just like walk in the pread Adversity
weekend This Saturday is like the paradeis at two and the gathering in the
park is at moon, So wewill be there around ten thirty eleven.

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Oh, I love you. Inever judge someone everyone's points of view as
long as it doesn't have others harmothers. Of course, that's the way
to be hunt, be happy exactly. You know. You know how he
calls al And now now the endof the day, we have someone or

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Renee, and I call her Rene. You know, everybody has a ring,
so it makes me think of himwith you every time I call her.
But I've been ago that I'm inlove with a woman and her name's
h Now, oh no, Nini, Well it's out further d let's bring
out. Oh my god, aceof heart. Here he is. Everybody's

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bay. So good to be here. Oh my god, you're looking red
and black tonight. Hey, thoseare my colors. I know. I
love your eyes. Shadow. Thankyou thinking of me, think of me
fondly, I think all the time. Oh, first, I am him?

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How do you I fell in lovewith him at that? What was
it? He's mister and missus continental, Yes, but he just said he
was like sitting behind me, andI gotta he was set behind me,
all dressed up. And yeah,guys, this episode, the next two,
I'll be in it, I promiseyes, and oh my god,
he looked fabulous. He was setbehind me and I was like, oh

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my god, I want to sayhi, he's so bad. He's sitting
behind me. He had this likeawesome hat on with this awesome coat.
Where's that hat? Yes, there'sthe hat right there. M h And
where's that coat? Oh? Thereit is? Look at a fur on
that. Oh I love what Shellsays, well, I share a huge

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ball of energy. I love it. I have might been my whole life.
I think people feed off of mewhen they're around me, but nobody's
ever drained me. I don't wantto challenge anybody, though. I like
my energy right right chair, Yes, but they can't have a fully right,

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I'm like a generator. There yougo there. Yeah, I have
a hot water bottle. Right.I sweat masks so much. I'm like,
damn, I'm in a sauna orsome shit, and I'm just sleeping
in bad. I'm like, hey. And then we have the pugs bugs,
and yes, they are sting allthe time. They're all the time.

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Oh my god, that's hot.And yeah, in the middle of
winter, we do you sleep withtheir the heater coverment off and covered with
fan on? Because it stays hot. Let's have the wake up in the
morning. It's we're freezing because it'shot. Good Hi Tammy, Hi Richard,

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Hello people. Channel Shanini never didget that yellow golden coat. A
golden coat, yes, and apinquin. You're speaking my language. God,
Oh my god, I hope Ishould. We had it downloaded.
But up here there's a store andit's called the Red Guard in half of

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its adults and the other half oftheatrical costumes and the seventy five year old
lady mind you okay Ellan, Andthere she picks up this deal though,
seventy five year old lady, andshe's like, hey, han here you
go, and this nice. Imean really, it feels so real.
And I'm like, you're like myfrecking grandma and you're telling me all about

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man though, like are you kiddingme here? So then she got to
see the lube section. She picksup this new lube they just got in,
put it on her fingers and sheputs some of mine and we're like,
oh my god, doesn't feel good. Could you just managine you I'm
like, no, I can't notright now. I mean, this is

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like really Grandma. I love it. Literally, I loved it. But
I was so like place, somy idea that she has all this pride
to just be there and the momentI loved it, loved it. She
had these glitter pink coats and goldcoats and why did you not get it

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sequent because they're like over one hundreddollars dragging cheap exactly. And so I
did a runway and I was like, girl, can I like do a
runway in here with your clothes coatsand everything? And she's like, oh,
yeah, I need to go rightahead. So I did, and
he put it together like you weresaying, it was gold walking to the

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camera and then I turned and asI turned, it turned into the pink
coat with a silver hat walking away. It was freaking awesome. It's on
my Facebook. Yeah, yeah,get it, Yes, yes, it
was so much fun. I lovethat. So loved it. Hey,
Chips, the guys takey Tina rightthere, Hey yo yo yo oh,

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Chipster, this is Ace of Hearts, and I've been talking about you to
him, like all night long forthe last three hours. He's probably tired
about hearing about you, but heseems really excited to want to meet you,
and uh yeah, I was tellingyou about Eureka and what we're gonna
be doing and walking like a ladydown ministry. We're just talking about how

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me and Troy met in Eureka atthe Continental Pageant. So I love coming
over to Eureka. If I didn'thave an event on Saturday, he was
there. He was there. Hewas sitting in my line. He was
the very last one. Oh okayin front of you, Like no,
actually he was. He was likethird to the last. Gotcha, well

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I had. I was an allred and black that night. He's seeing
you. We had a good conversationabout your ass. I'm just so tell
us about yourself. Where are youfrom? So? I was born in

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Tallahassee, raised in pennc. Callof Florida. Um, Florida boy to
the core. Um. I wasthe most explated child that came to Arkansas
because of all that sandum and thenwe moved here because of Walmart World.
Um. That seems to be whyeverybody moved to northnest Arkansas. Right.

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Um. Growing up, I wasalways the kind of energetic, vocal kid,
um, but super well behaved.My family raised me very well.
Um, I would say I guessyou could say I was raised as a
southern boy that knew respect and everythingthat and UM have always been a theater
person. My grandparents with theater.My mom was in far My mom used

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to travel and do like Lily Tomlin'sskits just to get paid here and there
to perform. UM. And soI grew up in a very performance musical
household. And I UM was theone that any any opportunity. They had
been schooled children's chorus. I wasin that, like it didn't matter I
chanced to perform. I was there. But I grew up. UM.

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I had my mom and dad,so I was three. UM my father
was abusive, so they handled thatsituation very carefully. My family was very
quick to get me counseling and help. And I'm a lot of things like
that, which we can go intodetail about later. UM, but I
uh and and so from there,I kind of My mom was a single
mother. She'd made sure to takeme on trips. UM. My family

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was very protective, very very protective, and I think that it benefited me
in a lot of ways because itgot me help that I needed early on.
But UM, when it came tocoming out, I think it affected
me a little bit more because notonly was my dad abusive, but he
was also a gay man, whichthe reason why they got a divorce,

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um was because my mom found UMmagazines, UM and found out that you
know, he'd been hiding something,um, and so they were getting a
divorce anyway, and then she foundout they was abusive towards me. And
so when it came time years laterfor me to come out, UM,
I think my family didn't receive itas well because the idea of having somebody

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who was abusive in the household andit was a gay man, um,
and then you're like, my kid, you know it was gay. I
think it was. I think that'swhy it was more hard for that accept
Plus of course the traditional storyline ofUM, you know, well it's gonna
be it's gonna be a hard lifefor you. And I'm like, like,
we all say, do you thinkI would choose it? Nobody it
was a hard life if I ifit wasn't part of me was really I

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like how you say that? Ilike, we all say, because that's
one of my things I might goto. They're like, why would you
choose to be gay? Like you? I think I would choose this.
I mean, yeah, I likeit at all, but I don't wouldn't
choose to be hated against. Iwouldn't choose to be called the gramatory names,
you know, wouldn't choose to havea chance to get murdered or killed
or beaten or you know. Imean, like, my mom's biggest fear

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was because when I was during themthe Matthew Shepherd area era. So of
course that just happened like a yearor two before that. And then Okay,
I came out and she's like,that's gonna happen to you because I'm
from a town of five hundred,like oh, Oklahoma, it's right up
four twelve. But my family isfor broken Ra Oklahoma. Oh really,

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yeah, a lot of my familyis. I think my grandfather was in
the military, and so that's whenthe family really started moving around a lot.
And then my mom started traveling alot um she was pretty hip in
her young years, and then umwhere they settled, and my mom settled
in like Alabama and that kind ofarea and then gravitated towards school and that's

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where the being in my life was. And so I feel like part of
me grew up being an entertainer andlike tourist life, and so any chance
to perform, like you walk downthe street and perform, and they'd be
like, oh, how cute.And I'm like, oh, okay,
you know, and then and thenmy mom would be like, you can

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take that to heart, but don'ttake it to your head, because the
minute take it to your head,you get a big head. And then
people don't people won't appreciate that.And I think that was something that always
stuck with me. Is as Imentioned to you earlier. You know,
in my career, I've always lookedat I want to be known for being
good at what I do. Idon't want people worshiping or groveling at my
feet like I would rather, I'drather share an experience and talk together.

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And so say, what was thatbe equal? Oh? Yes, very
much, very much. So um, like you said, I mean being
able to converse with people, beingable to feel approachable. And I think
that, you know, my familywas very much about let's lay everything on
the table and talk about it.And I think that's why growing up,
my life has always been so transparentand I've just been very um talkative about

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things. Sometimes a little too much, you know, I get I get
that, I get the foot kickfrom family members or partners and it's like
let's go, you know, andthen you're like you're like, what,
oh my goodness, there's something onmy foot, you know. But I
can talk about any like like welike you, t Roy. Um,

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I've never met a stranger. Um. I mean I was one of those
kids too. We learned in schoolthat smoking is bad, and so I
walked delaying them all one time andI was like, Um, you know
that stinks and and um, andthen just went on walking and then we
came back out and she was stillthere, and I was like, you
know, if you keep smoking onthat, it's gonna kill you, you

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know. So, like, beingvocal and transparent has always kind of been
my thing, but being real andup front I think is and genuine um
has always been ingrained in me,which is why, Um, even though
I have this persona, I feellike it just magnifies the parts of me
um that I that I've now grownto kind of carrying my own life.

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It just kind of adds to thepizzas. It's like Liberaci he was talented,
and so is Elton John. Butthat pizzas, honey, Yes,
yes, yeah, they definitely hadit, that's for sure, right are
you? Are you t right?You know you're like Pizzas, But then
you're like I, I letter likethis is me, you know. Um.
But I and so then from growingup and living in Florida, and

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then I went to university and studiedradio television, video broadcasting and I got
a minor in that, our majorin that in my strategic communications. But
I always had that dream because I'ma Florida kid of not going to Disney
but working for Disney. Um.And so, as you mentioned earlier,
I went to work for Disney oncollege program and then I worked for them

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for eight months seasonally as well.Um. I got to hang out with
all kinds of cool characters and itdefinitely had its dream dreaminess to it.
Um. But I think the hardestthing with Disney, because we love it
as a company so much I havedreams, is to not get lost in
it or let it kind of eatyou up, because I mean there's a

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lot of rumors out there, youknow that are true. I mean,
you have to be a certain waysize or a certain weight, or a
certain height, or a certain lookor symmetrical or you know. And I
think there's there's a lot of peopleout there that you know, look at
it. And one side of itis, yes, we were lucky enough

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to portray certain characters at Disney.But on the other end of the scale
is what if I have to giveup or what kind of discipline draft to
create in my life to make thathappen. Um. And I think that
watching having to watch my the wayI ate and the way that I,
you know, had carried myself,or or not being able to have facial

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hair or anything like that. Um. But I think, as I mentioned
to you earlier when we were talkingbefore the show, is that it transformed
me to I wasn't one of thosekids that had that really looked at eating
as a means of control. Butafter having a life where I had to
control what I or I had tobe controlled and monitored on my eight kind

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of thing. Um, when Ileft, I was like, I'm eating
anything I want. And now I'mone of those people that's like, I
may have gotten too hardcore on thatbecause I'm like, when when when my
pants are rolling off of my bellybutton and I'm having to relate, you
know, then You're like, Okay, I don't care what size of it

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is. If it has a stretchto it, it's gonna roll. Palm
down a little bit and they won'troll anymore. Right, I'm sitting here
duct taping my pants under my shirt. Right. I was on somebody the
other day, you know when youput that when when people put those centers

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on it, all the fact eithergoes one way or the other. And
I tell people all the time,I think mine goes up and I end
up having They're not man boobs,they're ranking titties. That's what I call,
you know. I'm like, we'rejust hanging out, you know.
Um. But uh, so Imoved. I worked for Disney. Um
for oh good, um almost Iguess sixteen seventeen months. Um, but

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I would make I went season seasonwith the company, um I UM.
I would drive down there to getmy hours, and I wasn't making enough
money to I was only making enoughto drive back home. So I wasn't
making a living, you know.And so it became one of those things
that it was really hard, umto maintain and then kind of getting pulled

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out of it. Um, Irealized like there were some good things and
there were some crazy things. Arewe getting any questions? Are they?
We have one question and from Tonywhich is Chips husband, and uh it
is hey, guys, does eightof Hearts do bearded drag like the Eureka

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bearded babes. So I actually ammore of a drag personality. I was
a drag queen for about six years, which we'll get into more detail,
you know, the next show.But just to kind of proface that I
was drag queen for I guess youcould say six years. I took a
good break in there with a goodbreak. Um. But I guess I

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could say I've been at drag forsix years. That's probably more logical about
it. Um. And I didthe whole drag queen thing, and I
enjoyed it when it first started,but I think it was part of my
coming out story. Um And I'llgo into moreding to her in just a
minute about that, but um,I jumped into drag kind of as a
way to rebel and I was like, it's a chance to perform and look
at my feminization, you know.And I loved it. It was it

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was great, but I think overtime it kind of dwindled. And I
felt like I was disrespecting the spacein the community and taking up space in
the community as a performer when Ireally wasn't in love with drag anymore.
And there's so many people who that'stheir heart and that's their life and they're
so into it, and so justtake that step back and allow the opportunity
for other people to come and inperform. I think is was a logical

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decision. And so when I tookthat break, I stepped back and I
was like, you know, onething I learned and drag is if there's
some if there's somebody wearing heels andthey need to take them off because they're
hills and stuff, I will carrythem. Believe me walking in hills finn
which I've learned walking and platform shoesdepending on the shoe is also just just

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as crazy but so prevacing. Kindof what you asked about the beer to
drag. I actually went to adrag show a friend was hosting, and
they were kind of having trouble jugglinghosting music, you know, everything fat
and they're like, hey, Ace, would you host? And I'm like,
uh, give me a jumpsuit,a wig and put some makeup on
me and we'll see what happens.Let's make some magic. And so I
kind of did more of like aboy glam Like you take Elvis and Elton

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John. I guess you could saykind of mesh him together or Elvis and
leave Rachi and Meshim together. AdamLambert in there somewhere with the makeup that
kind of more along the left.I know that's a lot of people,
a lot of people having one babywith um and so I do I consider
myself a drag genie or a dragpersonality. And if you watch next week's

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episode or the following week after that, you'll kind of get to see a
bit of my look or you cango on social media and see a lot
of my looks on there as well. Under ace O Hearts. O Hearts
is the last name, kind oflike oh hair, Eureka, oh here,
but it's Oheartsum. But through that, I think I found an ability
to feminize myself and kind of showmy personality a little bit more. And

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um that just added to me beingkind of more transparent in the world.
It's kind of like I can havethis best of both worlds, like the
whole Miley cyrus. Um kind ofuh my handham on tanna thing, except
where I'm not hiding it like peoplepeople know that there are people see on
stain like hey, hey, youknow, and so be it. But
um, I would eventually as Ias I mentioned earlier, like to being

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able to bring a huge, bigqueer liberaci you know Elton John persona to
Brentson and have my own show.People. So come on, let's get
a start it. I mean,I'm saying I do magic, I ventul
because you know, you name it. So um, let's think it happened.
But um to kind of take astep back because I mentioned, you
know, going into my coming outstory because I think that that's uh,

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that's us gay's love to talk aboutit coming out stories. Um. But
as I mentioned, I came froma very protective um in a very conservative
household. Um. And I canstill consider myself a very gay man.
But um, I was raised inthe church in a sense that homoseech thought
it was bad, you know,and of course coming from a father that
was abusive, it was also umgay. You know. It was one

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of those things where it was like, oh, you know, this is
really bad. Um. And soI maintained that life of like, hey,
you know I could love a girl. You know, let's let's see
how it works. And I datedseveral girls and it just came to the
point that like there was no pointwhere it was like I'm gonna marry them,
you know, and this is gonnabe it for me. I was

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like, well, I can marrythem and you know, make a life
work. That that was kind ofwhere it was, let me give you
besties, you know. But umand so I dated a girl whose parents
were missionaries, and um, theyI gave her shoes for Christmas and her
family gave me a Bible. AndI think that was the moment where I

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was like, okay, so Iobviously I am not Christian enough and I've
been like pulling it's been like pullingteeth. Plus my family at the time
was, you know, paying formy college, and I felt like the
last thing I wanted to do ina sense was it wasn't necessarily about been
paying for my college, but Ididn't want to blow up a life that

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because that was their hope and dream. They were like, you know,
college degree, You get a collegedegree, and then you know, figure
things out. And I genuinely lovethat I did in college, but I,
um, I'm kind of focused moreon um, you know, worry
about coming out later. Let's figurethis out. And so after that incident
with a girlfriend, I was like, you know what, I've been fighting
this my whole life. I knowthat I am, and so I kind

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of under the radar. I wasplaying truth a Dare with some friends one
day and I had dressed up incollege and drag, very very terrible drag.
Maybe next you guys the picture andyou guys can share it as I
tell my story because it's hideous.But they asked me to do it at
university and I was like, ifI can make myself unrecognizable, which believe

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me, I'm uglier than sin andunrecognizable. So I think I had accomplished
my goal. But but I wenton stage in the drag thing, you
know, and they were like,people were like, oh my gosh,
haha, she's so funny, andum, I was living for it.
Well, I went backstage and Istarted talking to my regular voice instead feminizing

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my voice, and somebody was like, oh, is that who we think
it is? And so then wordsspread like wildfire, and so then the
next year, they were like,you have to host. Well the next
year I happened to be at Disney, so I couldn't. But then my
senior year, right, I did, and so my friends had found out
about that, but I only hadone picture and I couldn't find it,

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and so they were like, wedare you truth, dare to do drag
one more time? And I waslike, okay, you know if I
can find somebody, like, oh, don't worry, we know somebody.
You're in theater. And we hada in the theater at the time that
was a drag queen and then beendrag queen for years, and so she
put me in the makeup and Iwent out and I called. I contacted
the local, my first bar here, which was C four over in Fayetteville,

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and I was like, hey,I'd love to just to try it
one time. And they're like,actually, we have this beginner's night you
can totally come out for and doit. And I was like, cool,
let's get it over with. Let'sget it done. Well. I
showed up and I won and they'relike, and next month's theme is and
I was like, I'm sorry whatThey're like, Oh, this is a
six month long competition. You know, each month there's a new theme,

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and I was like, oh andso so I started doing it. And
around that while I was doing it, my grandfather gotten sick, so I
had to drop out. And soI continued to kind of do drag here
and there, and people found outthat I did. Me being a full
entertainer as I was, people werelike, hey, you know, nudge

(30:56):
nudge, can you come and surprisesomebody. So I dressed up as wonder
woman and gave somebody a lap danceto we need to hear I need a
hero for, you know, fortheir birthday. Seeing Graham. His wife
was like, come and brings myhusband. And I was like, as
long as I'm not disrespecting him andhe will be a good sport about it,
I will do it. And thenI had somebody else hire me as
a granny to come and embarrass thehead coach of the Resurrects baseball team,

(31:19):
like you know, fun things hereand there, And I did drag for
charity events and things like that,and so just kind of continued along that
way. Um, but I wasa and and once I learned the dynamic,
I was a better looking queen.I wouldn't say that I'm like the
prettiest queen. I mean I wasthe most fabulous, of course, but
prettiest. I'm if I'm being honestwith myself. But I think now being

(31:45):
able to be my authentic self throughace UM, I feel like I am
truly myself and I do feel outsideum, but it shows too. Thank
you so much. That's what caughtmy eye the first time I ever met
him. And are there any morequestions coming? Because I don't want to

(32:05):
just keep rambling or okay akay coolum? But kind of backtracking in my
life as an entertainer. After Ileft Disney, I came back to finish
college and I what say me?Yeah? Uh not lately? I mean

(32:34):
they're pretty grown in my cuticles hateme because I don't know why. Um,
but I usually paint my nails black. I don't have a black right
now because I'm actually working on ashort film with locally but and the character
does not have black nails. Sobut next week, when I'm in full
glam the best, there'll be blacknails. Um, but a nail bider

(32:59):
not so much, I guess.I mean, I get nervous, still
want to go out on stage,as any entertainer does. But I think
it's just like one of those habits. Have I been chewing it my nails
or something. No, anyway,but I when I came back from Disney
to finish university, I missed Disneyso much that I started working on creating

(33:25):
similar style experiences but not necessarily exactcharacters, but some MO style experiences and
kind of fueling my entertainment through that. And then I had that for about
five years, and then I foundout that there was a company in Kama,
Arkansas that was selling out their costumeshop. And I also had my
mom and I were costumed. Ihad my MoMA designed costumes growing up with

(33:46):
me and we'd worked on costumes together. So I was like, this could
be a new venture. And soI own a costume shop Fueralthift, Arkansas
also for three years, and sobeing an entertainer and costuming UM, and
we have a lot of queens thatcame in and asked for things, and
I was like, there is noplus sized stuff that I can offer some

(34:06):
of these, you know, Andso I just kind of started building um
even more costuming and um working onhead dresses and stuff show Oh, so
I'm working on I'm doing a showtomorrow for um for April Fool's Day.

(34:29):
But it's a comedy show. Andand so I just finished building this big
head dress which if you don't recognizeit, it's King Julian from Madagascar.
So I'm doing a whole like tomove it, move it number and while
you can really dance and uh,I have a big coconut h broad kind
of thing. It's it's super fun. Um but um I oh but my,

(34:52):
I mean my go to of coursetraditionally with a lot of my meet
and greet stuff or performance stuff isvery heart spaced. Um but I still
like to go crazy every now andthen. I have a David Bowie wig
over there from Goblin King and ohmy god, you gotta show chips.
Oh I said he would like chipcheck it. You're gonna love it.

(35:14):
Ah. There's my Goblin King wig. Ah. Yeah, pull it up
a little bit more. My outfitshere somewhere, um here it is.
Here's mine. It's the wedding,my Goblin King wedding outfits that I built.

(35:34):
There's the wedding outfit. Oh yougot those boobs handy which ones the
tips? Yeah? So I watchedas a sat gig. Um I did.
I do have a company that Iwork with that acquires like breastplates and

(35:57):
stuff so I can help the dragperformers and stuff. I have a pair
of those, which actually one ofmy friends who used to be a drag
performer on Bourbon Street is getting backinto dragon so I'm helping her kind of
get back to back to live inthe drag life a little bit. Here's
my right, See what is thatthe what that was with you? That

(36:17):
is the one that was with mewhen you guys met me. Yeah.
Um. And then also kind ofprefacing, um, what I'm doing this
summer, uh is I'm the nationalshowman for the state of Arkansas. Um,
and I'm currently going to be thenational showman for the United States,
which I'm going to win. It'sgoing to happen. We're putting this out

(36:38):
into the universe. Um. See. Laverns is my favorite movie. I
have the puppets. Oh wicked?How cool is that? Yes? I
love the puppets, especially the onesthat like come apart and everything. I
want them, no, I needthem. Oh there just got him a

(36:59):
pair? He did get it?Hey? You know the their lives changing.
Um as a queen, I wasn'tever in the mean subiding because breastplays
were kind of coming into the mainstreamwhere they were like really really expensive to
acquire. Um jealous of the breastplay, Well, I can tell you
right now. You know, ifI push up just high enough, I

(37:22):
don't even know where they need towear the breastplate, you know. I
tell people the only difference between meand traditional trust is that mine is the
German style. Because it's Harry.I'm gonna start telling people. So twenty

(37:42):
years ago, I played around indrag Ron's. Okay, I lived in
an apartment with five of the dagqueens. I had four drag mamas,
a drag sister because she was comingup too. And yeah, it was
a little bit stuck a little bitjust to fill out the girl because they

(38:04):
taking the cleavage epsu. I hadsome beautiful cleavage. I got man booze.
Anyway, I tell people, Ihave worked many years on these,
a lot of kind put a lotof work into them. Now I'm trying
to work to get them off right. Yeah, I will happily donate for

(38:24):
a breastplate anybody lucking. I gottoo, Ohn Um. But yeah,
my my collections slowly growing. ButI think in my heart, um,
Elvis and Adam Lambert um and LittleBacky of course are kind of my inspirations,

(38:45):
um for performing, and the goalis to eventually be one of the
biggest person gay flamboyant personalities that Ican be in this era, you know.
And one of the things I thinkthat kind of blew my mind.
Um. I have a dear friendnamed an How She's a drag performer over
in Joplin, and UM, whatwas it saying I'm a tea cup.

(39:07):
It says that's a sea cup.But day they look better, so much
better than mine. I love it. Um. But uh, but I
was talking to her, you know, because I always I've always said,
I had the phrase, you know, I feel like I grew up in
the wrong decade. Um. Andone thing that was shared with me that

(39:29):
I thought was really cool because wewere both kind of talking about that because
she's very much in old Hollywood andthings like that, and we came to
the conclusion that it wasn't that wewere born in the wrong decade. We
were born in the wrong the rightdecade because we can carry on all the
history of the previous decades to keepit alive there you go. So that's
kind of you know, keeping italive and fresh and people not forgetting it

(39:51):
um. And I think that's that'sbecome my new positive outlook is like it's
not I'm the wrong decade. It'slike, let's educate people, let's get
going with this, you know,absolutely, and I think, you know,
it's great to be a performer aswe are. But I also think
that the most important part behind havinga name or a persona is that we're

(40:12):
also using it as a platform foradvocacy. And I think that's important to
discuss because we can kind of timestampthis um. But I'm really feeling for
the people that in Florida right nowwith the don't say gay bill. Um,
so say gay everywhere, say transeverywhere, and you know, black
lives everything, but ultimately that thatdon't say gay bill I think is very

(40:35):
very heartbreaking for our community in thesense of yes, yes, it is
mainly an education system and mainly youknow, targeted toward too. But I
think that as people are coming totheir own no matter what age they are,
they need to be able to havethat chance to figure out who they
are. I mean, the thingis is people figure out who they are.
Doesn't put anymore on other people unlessthey allow it to. Yeah,

(41:00):
just because I am finally telling youwho I am inside doesn't mean that I
change the rest of what you know. You just know a little more about
me, right though, And youshould feel special that I let you in,
you know exactly, that's that's ahuge that's a huge conversation that you
know, we not most of thepeople. Unless it's not like I'm bringing
you into that part of my life. I'm letting you know about that part

(41:22):
of my life because it doesn't meanthat it changes who I am. Um.
And I think that that's the mostimportant thing that I carry with me
is having ethics and morals and youknow, always learning. There's so many
times that I'm like, I fallI've fallen short. I made a dumb
decision, but I'm gonna learn fromit and grow from it, and that's
what makes us human. Um.But are there any other question questions coming

(41:45):
in there? Any data state?Let's say that he loved Ron's place.
He did a lot of dance inthere by the tracks the what so I
said I loved Ron's Place? Idid a lot of dance in there by
the tracks. Oh yeah, verycool. I doubt it that was twenty
years ago. Don't say straight becauseI'm I think we should start well,

(42:15):
you know. I think the thingis is that it makes it more in
the spotlight. When they try tocut things off, then it makes people
want to say it more, youknow, and instead of being like,
hey, go you go live inyour life, I'll live mine. If
our pods crossed and there's some thingsthat we need to work out out or
educate each other, then let's dothat. But I feel like the minute

(42:36):
that you're putting a focus on something, then it draws more light to it.
It's like somebody that's talking bad aboutyou're like, thank you so much
for talking about me that I'm partof your conversation, you know, right,
Um, And I think that youknow, there's a lot of other
bills that are going into pass umbecause I was going to go into teaching
at one point as well. UM. I looked at that that route.

(42:59):
Um. But there's a lot ofthings going on in education system in several
states right now, UM, thatare really affecting how teachers are able to
teach. I mean, they wentto school for four or five years.
You know, some of them areconstantly getting educated in other programs and things,
and we're sitting here looking at themwith a magnifying glass, like,
you know, maybe we should evaluateyou more. And it's like, yes,

(43:21):
there's some teachers that genuinely, youknow, are just there to get
a paycheck. But traditionally, mostof them, especially the ones that have
you know, are lasting it outthis long, you know, are really
passionate about it. Yeah, andum, ten is ten Odor of dom

(43:43):
the radio station. Oh cool,very yeah. Um. But I think
that that's kind of where Ace camefrom, as we kind of, you
know, get ready to move intothis other episode where you really kind of
get to know the persona and thelife that I you know, live as
Ace and everything. But I meanthe idea of sexuality. There is sexuality

(44:08):
in different people's drag, but inmine, the sexualization of drag is not
part of who I am. Sothat's where the ace comes from for kind
of a sexual And then the ideais is that I feel like I've been
put on this earth to love peoplefor who they are, knowing that we
all have laws, and that myform of entertainment is to give people escape
from the rough world that we livein and be able to enjoy yourself and

(44:30):
escape. And that's kind of wherethe hearts part comes from. And so
my name really truly is who Iam as a genuine person. I mean,
of course I have faults and Ihave you know, issues and things,
but there it's for me to workthrough, not for me to put
on you to have to deal withas well. And so I think that

(44:52):
as people move forward to be aface in this industry, and especially you
know your podcast. I've gotten tolisten to several the episodes as I've gotten
to go through, and I thinkwhat you guys are doing here is a
fantastic and wonderful thing because I thinkthat we don't educate ourselves, we don't
have conversation. And of course Ieven applaud the people that have come before

(45:14):
me to get on here, tobe vulnerable and to share their stories,
because I mean, I've learned somevaluable information and I've been educated before I
even came on here about things andhow to, how to you know,
how people have lived their lives,because I think, you know, there's
a lot of times where we putthings out in the world and we're like,
I'm so try to share this becauseI think I'm the only one,

(45:37):
and then you start to realize likeI'm not the only one. Somebody else
experienced it different or you know.Just an example is like whenever you're like,
oh my gosh, my partner doesthis and I absolutely hate it,
and then you see somebody else that'slike, I can't believe my partner does
this, and you're like you two, you know. So it's that moment
where it's like the whole idea oflike you're not allowed like and of course,

(46:00):
um, I think that one thingthat's really cool because I know you
mentioned that there's people from all overthe world to listen to this, but
I think that it's kind of coolfor those people to be able to listen
and be like, this is goingon in my country too. Um yeah.
Also, of course, while we'reon this this live as well,
I really want to give a shoutout to Ukraine. We love you,
We are here for you guys.Um. You know, we we understand

(46:22):
maybe what we can see that's goingon in your country, but we truly
hope that it works out for thebest for you. Guys. Absolutely,
I think this is one of themost um publicized wars because of social media.
Now people are going on TikTok liveand you can feel like here there,

(46:45):
I must say, I have Ihave asum in three pieces that have
come from creators in Ukraine and thereart is incredible with what they can do
to build costuming. I have afull set of big red like wings that
I wear that we're made by artistsover that I found on Etsy and I
love them to death. Um.And that's the thing to kind of recognize
too. You know, art isso special all over the world, um

(47:09):
and definitely kind of the one thingthat's nice though, is it's being able
to sell your own costumes too,and UH enjoy it because I've got a
whole wall of that you guys can'tsee of like fabrics and everything um that
go into this. And of coursebeing a performan that performs all the time,
sometimes you have to let somebody elsemake things for you, which is

(47:30):
very hard for me because I lovemaking pieces they can have pride in h
and be proud of um. Andof course I also mentioned you know my
name Ace as well. Um.Ace from Kiss is like a huge influence,
UM just in my life growing up. My mom's first concert in college
UM was was um Kiss, Andmy first concert to ever go see and

(47:52):
my mom took me was Kiss fromUM from or was Kiss as well.
And so I have my actually havea full Kiss Inspire outfit that I wear
that's got like metal looking hearts andstuff all over it. But one thing
too to kind of mention, becauseI really want to preface this is like
you know, in growing with ourfamilies, and we kind of discussed this,

(48:14):
even the two of us before this, but I think that's one thing
we have to think about it.Sometimes you Pam will accept you, but
sometimes we have to grow with ourfamilies, or we have to give other
people a chance to retain things andhave time to themselves to grow as as
a human being and realize that againlike we're the same person that they knew
all along, or those kind ofthings. And I really want to put

(48:37):
out there that you know, mymom and I are in a great place
now, I mean, we reallyare. And I think that I think
that it was one of those thingsthat to separate the person from the sexuality,
you know, from like how wedo you know, gender and sexuality
is different all that kind of stuff. I think it's important to look at
that as a piece of somebody.But it's just like any relationship, even

(48:58):
a significant other, you can't everythingabout them. There's some things that you're
like, oh no, m can'thappen, you know, but you're like,
what I do with it? BecauseI love you? But sometimes I
just want to knock you out,you know, they just want to pull
the Rapunzel from Tangled and just umbut my but my mother and I have

(49:21):
grown a lot, you know,And and there's certain things that you know,
you can't expect somebody to accept aboutyou. Um, because at the
end of the day, the oneperson that needs to love you is yourself.
UM. And I think there's alevel of confident love versus arrogant love,
and UM, for me, that'sthat's been a journey. UM.
I wouldn't say that I'm necessarily I'man arrogant person at all, because I'm

(49:45):
not. I've I've worked so muchin my life to just be thankful for
what I have and and opportunities I'vegotten. UM. But I feel like
there are moments in our lives wherewe're like, look at me, you
know, and then you have toremind yourself like, hey, but how
do they get here? Um?And and really remember those people. Of
course, there's people that are like, remember me when you get famous,
and I'm like, you may haveto remind me, but I'll remember you.

(50:06):
You know. It's not one ofthose things that it's like I'm intentionally
forgetting you. But we have somuch, especially since COVID, there's so
much going on in our lives.The people are having to rebuild. I
don't know if you guys heard aboutthe tornado that went through um Springdale over
here, but it wiped out ofso many buildings in Springdale, UM and

(50:27):
people are having I mean in anight, they're having to rebuild their whole
lives. What was that, mysister? Oh my goodness, yes,
And they're having to read I meaninstantly one night. People are having to
rebuild their whole lives. And soI think that, you know, what
I've tried to train myself to dois if something happens, to take a
step back and be like, Okay, why are they reacting like this or

(50:49):
how were they or what made themthis way? Or you know what's happened?
Because we can't beat people. Likeas much as I'm an entertainer and
I read people for a living,I still there's so much that we don't
know. Yeah, and I think, like you said, it's important for
us to start having conversations because ushaving conversations creates more conversation. It does,
and it opens others eyes and theirminds, and you know, we're

(51:14):
teaching them although it doesn't seem likegood, you know, and that's a
good part. Chipster says, loveyourself, and Ted said, accept yourself
first. Yes, So I've saidoften if we could take the sex out
of homosexual then maybe people wouldn't beso offended by it. But with a

(51:36):
little clothes saying that we had sexthe shape people are right because they have
the children that have proven that theyhave sex. So why can't people just
forget about what we do in thebedroom? You know, right, But
there's so much more to our humanityas homosexuals than being in a bedroom.
We do so much. There's somany organizations that the core organizations that do

(51:58):
so much more work out in thestreets in the community and benefiting then than
what happens in the bedroom. Likeyeah, and you know, we help
others, not just a GB butwe help those that need help, right,
you know, and with that's explainingto others, that's just opening up

(52:19):
a bigger world that hasn't been therethat we're putting there, right, And
so no matter if it's us orsomebody like us, we're still doing that,
right, That's what the world needs, I feel. And I think
the only way for people to getused to something is to see it more.
Yes, um, I think that'sso important because the thing is is,

(52:42):
it's like giving people a space todo something doesn't mean you support it,
but but but it does allow otherpeople to see it for what it
is. Yeah, you know,yeah, you know, even if they
don't accept it, they don't haveto be dicks about it or as hos.
You know, they could just beall a what you just said.
You know, they can show nicenessmore than dogginess, judginess putting us down,

(53:13):
you know, throwing words that doesn'tmake any sense. It's not like
we're a new phenomenon, always beenhere. And the thing is is it's
one of those things that again,the more you push against it, then
the more people are gonna be likewhoa, whoa, whoa you know,
like we've like we've dealt with thisfor a long time, you know.

(53:35):
I mean one of the biggest,one of the biggest things right now,
you know, is the transcommunity andthe fact that they're really fighting to be
visible and accepted. And I thinkone of the biggest things that we can
do is I can say, youknow, I don't know what it's like,
but I'm gonna be there at theforefront to stand and guard you so
that you can abdicate, you know. And hey, if you want me
to stand behind you and represent thatway too, let me do it.

(53:59):
It's just I'm here. What canI do? I think that's the first
question you gotta ask, you know, And then from there allow them to
tell you because at least they knowyou're they know that somebody's got their back
because many of them are strong humanbeings, they really are. But there's
plenty of strong team beings that ifthey don't have warriors, there's a point

(54:21):
where they go down, somebody elseneeds to be there to advocate. And
and the thing is is it's peoplelook at pride as a sense of throwing
in people's face, and it's like, to me, that's not what it
is yeah. Now, now,yes, there are people in any community,
not just the quick community, anycommunity that do go over the top,

(54:42):
that can set that that bar reallyhigh. But but for us as
squeer people, it's you know,what are you comfortable with? How far
can you go? I'm a personalbig believer in even quiet advocacy, donating
the money and letting people that havethe experience and have the knowledge take that
and and move it forward rum AndI think that that's one thing that people

(55:02):
forget is they're like, why aren'tthese people standing up? And it's like,
maybe what they can contribute as money, that's the way of supporting.
Maybe they don't have that voice,maybe they don't have the boots on the
ground, you know. And sous as a community finding ways to be
like this is what I can doand verbalizing it or passing it along and
being like take it and and movea step further. And that's that's in

(55:28):
any community. I mean, eveneven with us, you know, supporting
Black Lives Matter, even with ussupporting translaves because as we know, you
know, the first big you know, Pride and Everything was a was a
riot, a huge riot because they'vehad enough and at the forefront of it
was our trans you know sisters,um, and even thinking of our trans
brothers as well that are out there, you know. UM, it's not

(55:52):
easy to go through. And soinstead of us being the people that are
like, well this, it's liketell me what I can do it tell
me where I can be better.Sure, I'm a human being. I
can't be spread super thin. Ican only do so much. And that's
where other people have to step backand be like, I can't put too
much on them because they are human, right, and so I hope I'm

(56:14):
not talking too much now, You'regood. But I think that at the
forefront of a persona up ace ofa radio station, of a TV show,
there has to be representation that's like, yes, I am this,
but outside of this, this iswho I am, which is why I
was really thankful that you allowed meto come on and here outside of makeup,

(56:37):
to really be able to be like, this is me, you know,
and in makeup is also me.But that transparency is what's going to
get us farther in this world,having these conversations, being able to be
button on as shure, there's manythings we've mentioned on here, you know,
there's trauma that gets in the wayof that kind of thing. There
is there's things we got to workon. But how do we work Sometimes

(57:00):
it's having conversations. Yeah, sometimesit's a personal thing, but I think
that that's the only way is tobring it to light. Um. And
my biggest thing is is with prides. Last year, I think I did
five six prides, you know,and this year and this year I've got
other ones that were like can youcome out? And I'm like, I

(57:20):
really want to, uh, butif it's during this time, I can't.
But in my heart, I'm like, how can I clone myself?
I only have one life to live. I'm not gonna have to make multiple
of it. So you know,well at this time for commercials. So
we're gonna do a short commercial breakand then we'll do that. Yes,
if you need to go to therestaurant, we're grab a drink, go

(57:43):
right ahead. I'm gonna ran toget something to drink. How long is
it, it's that's the way minutes. Okay, cool, I'm gonna run
all right, old hey, hey, hey, and welcome back to everything.

(01:01:36):
Yet nothing we are speaking with eightOh, so I brought my babies
in here because oh my goodness,I got mine to see them. It's
brunny. This is rowdy, hirowdy, this is tacco oh talco.

(01:01:58):
I keep telling people that I gothim because I was hoping that one day
I would get a discount I'll talkabout. But half the kids aren't nineties
kids anymore, so they just lookat me like this right and this is
Atticus high podcasts. Oh my goodness, so cute. Cool, and this

(01:02:22):
is oh done, oh lucky.You got a fan right there? Yeah,
so cute. No, no,dad, I don't want to be
on here. Okay, So areyou down? You down? Good boy?

(01:02:45):
Positive reinforcement with the dog like youthink? How baby? So what
do we want to talk about?So? Um go? But you are
you going to read some comments?All right? We have Ted says homosexuals

(01:03:09):
by bisexuality and Herold's pop up homosexualby sexuality. Back in ancient times were
considers special even gods. Native Americansconsider us two spirits. It's amazing how
our culture goes backwards at two spirits. Yes, and it does. It

(01:03:32):
really does, like that earlier.We've been here forever, and we have
like we were here. We justwe're out, you know, and really,
back in the days of kings andqueens and knights and all that,
there was no labels. Right,there was very few labels of sexuality.

(01:03:53):
Well, let me think about it. We were the hills of the wigs
back to the day. Yeah,yeah they did. I never said scurvy
and all their other disease stuff,right, So, I mean I'm all
about some powdered wigs and some squaretoe shoes and some types. And I
mean technically I grew up going Wedidn't do family trips to like uh,

(01:04:17):
Disney World or anything that ours wasactually more we went to historic parks and
stuff. So I tell people,tell them like I just upscaled it.
Yeah. Absolutely, She now says, I have taken in so many kids
over the years because the families disownedthem after they found out they child was

(01:04:40):
gay or lesbian, and yeah,chan, but yeah, I mean there
has been many many kids, andit's so sad that parents, I mean,
give me a break. Parents,really grow the hell up, because
you need to get over yourself.Your kids are there because you had them,

(01:05:02):
and if you're not going to takecare of them, let somebody else
take care of them. And don'tbe dick's asses or whatever to them because
they don't deserve that. You deserveto be treated like that. They know,
to take an older to take anolder quote, you know when they
talk about couples and they're like,if you don't love me at my worst,
you don't deserve me at my best. I think that that is the

(01:05:24):
same thing with any kind of relationship, even with parents. If you don't
love me at what you at myworst and my my bearst, then you'll
deserve me at my best and mytrophic self. Fine, you know exactly.
And she now says the beings aredumbasses, and yes, I agree,
some human beings are dumbasses. Somepeople can be less educated educated on

(01:05:47):
topics. You know, that's wherethe dumb comes in. Sorry, that's
an old commercial, guests, youneed a new one, Well, then
make it to make it. MisterJeffer says, first dried queen was George
Washington, our first president. Legsand heel shoes, and yeah, honey,

(01:06:12):
it was hey and riding a horse. Yeah, they don't like that.
Who doesn't like riding a stallion?I love riding installian myself, I
mean them. So that makes methink of something funny today that it happened

(01:06:38):
at work. I work on adisposed location, but they shot Mammy's all
over the place and it's shot everywhere. Um. One of our employees works
school teaching sex. Had half halfthe day and it comes to work but
half day and he's like me andanother manager we were um giggling and he's

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like, wow, the giggling neverstops no matter what job I'm at.
I'm like, yeah, but thedifference in your other job in this job
is you're teaching kids about sex,and like he sex, I said,
at this job, you have grownouts. People don't have anything to do
with sex, and they turn itinto something sexual and think because like that's

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so true. It is. Ohwhy that's in my head a little bit.
So it has already been an hour. We can go further. Um,
We're gonna actually do it until tenthirty if you're cool with that.
OK So, UM, I don'tuse the listeners really want to continue listening.

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I'm all about having as they lovedlistening or they're bigger, Yes,
they loved listening. I mean Italk all the time, usually as cam
like you know, that's where it'sthe end of the show. It takes

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me like ten minutes to the endof the show, y'all. He even
does the midwestern goodbyes to the podcastworld. Oh you know, there's nothing
longer than a Midwestern goodbye. Tonysays, just use your Facebook page.
And I am wondering, when youhost, do you think at least some

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patrons thank you're a drag king?Um, I have gotten a lot of
people to do that. And that'skind of why I, um call myself
the genie of drag, because Ithink that when I went into locations people,
some people saw me for face valueon um Facebook, you know,

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and and you know, hired mein and they were like, oh,
wait, you're not a king,and I'm like, well, no,
not really, you know, Andit changed this whole like dynamic of how
they, you know, would treatme, or the fact that they were
like, but you're you're a biologicalmale you know that's doing this and not
looking at it necessarily for the art. And so for me, I was
like, well, if I tellthem I'm a drag genie, it takes

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the gender out of it all together. And so in persona I'm very non
binary with kind of how I howI work with the different things that I
wear and stuff. UM, Alot of them tend to be I guess,
I guess more masculine leaning. Um. But one thing I had mentioned
to tro earlier is that I feltlike I kind of wanted to play with

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that masculine feminine a lot because likea lot of people see you know,
reds and blacks, and you know, they've put in this box of what
masculine color is, and then youtake and you glamorify it, and then
it becomes what the world will considermore feminine or in my case, I
prefer to call it just more flamboyant. Yeah, but I do think that

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I have gotten a lot of confusion. But I'm very quick to be straightforward
and educate people and be like Iam not what is considered a full drag
king. UM. I also havebeen referred to as the more of a
drag personality. And because I don'twant to take those platforms or those titles
away from people who you know,it is their platform, is what they

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stand for. UM. And Ihave so many very very dear friends that
are dragged kings and they're really comeinto the you know industry, and um,
you know there's that constant battle oflike, you know, who gets
more conditioned queens kings, you know, and kings are still kind of breaking
through. Um yeah, I justI think that the biggest thing is is

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that that there there are kings thatare really good and it's great, and
then there are other ones that areare working on themselves and they're like,
why am I not getting attention?And for me, I think the thing
is is it's not that you arenot good, it's that the general public
is not yet educated to have anunderstanding of that style of art. There

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are a lot of places that Igo to that I'm very quick to educate
people up front of who I am, and so it's a lot better received.
Don't don't let anyone make you alabel being more than a catechorrect correct.
And I think that there's also adifference in a chosen label and people

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labeling you. And I think thatfor me, you know, being a
drag genieuse so many people that arelike, I've never heard of that,
and I'm like, because it hasn'texisted before, but it does now because
I've just spoken into being you know. Um, but I think that,
um that the King's industry. Youknow. Um. One thing that one
of my favorite drag kings have evera Land Insider, says is that kings,

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drag kings can reign just as fierceas queens. And I think that
is super you know, I thinkthat's super um true. Um. I
think that you should never doubt thestrength, the talent, or the abilities
of anybody. Yeah, even whenthey prove it to you. Because people

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can grow. You know, peoplegrow, people can change, right,
Yeah, There's been many times that. Um, you know, we spend
our whole lives adapting. But theproblem is that some people you can choose
not to adapt to something, butthat doesn't mean that other people have to
do the same. Yeah, um, and sometimes it does. Some people

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can't change automatically. They have toadapt, you know. Um, when
you've done somebody in a certain wayin part of their in part of their
life, and then they're like,that's not who us at all. Um,
this is my authentic self and you'relike, thank you for sharing this
with me. You know, I'mso glad. Um. Let's see.
I want to be a drag mama. That is the possibility. You know.

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I have some great friends. Oneof my drag Daughters is a diva
UM, which is a overfeminized femaleum presenting in drag um. We have
some fierce ones up here. Um. One of them just did uh miss
diamond us at a diva UM andshe just won this last weekend. Super
incredible. My drag daughter went andcompeted in that um. And so there

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is a place for drag mothers andstuff out there. But I don't wanna
have to war. Hey, youknow, you can define your own lines
of what a drag mother is.I mean, there's all kinds of different
things. Um, you know,I I prefer to look at it as
you know, there's a lot ofpeople that are like, some people are
too young in the industry to havedrag families. Yeah. For me,

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the way I see it isn't therethere's there is, of course, the
the the thing that was in thedrag community a lot that was you know,
drag mothers were those that took newcomersinto their wing and developed them.
But some people just need to chosenfamily to feel like they exist and they're
appreciated, and so sometimes drag familiesfor younger performers. Would you say bearded

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drag is suddenly a thing have youdone drag with your beard? M I
actually have not presented as a dragqueen with my beard. I have some
very dear friends that are the dragcommunity that are bearded queens, and as
I say, every show and Ihaven't actually back to me. I am
a firm believer that all drag isvalid because as I see it as an
art form and therefore how you chooseto express yourself as your own way,

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so bearded drag, I still seethem as queens, you know, if
that's how they want me to presentthem, that's how they want me to
talk to them. One thing,I think that's true. And yes,
some people think it's more of achore, but I'm always a big advocate
of walking up and being like,how do you prefer to be referred to?
Or how do you you know?What are your pronouns? What are
you know? Really getting to knowthat person, because I think once people

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realize that you value who they are, then they begin to respect and value
who you are on a similar plane. Um, And so this bearded drag
thing, I think, I thinkit's incredible. In fact, one of
my friends is currently on the roadto miss bearded beard. Impress um in
Orlando to compete this weekend. Umand she is a she's so full of

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talent. She's given so much ofher life to the drag community and for
a long time she know she didn'tneed the bearded thing, and she felt
more comfortable with it, and she'sshe's doing so so so well. Um.
In the industry forum Bearded Drag.There was also a bearded drag queen
on Queen of the Universe this lastseason with a gorgeous voice. Um and

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I think that bearded drag, LikeI said, I know we have some
of the viewers that watch that arebeard drag queens, but I think they're
just as pretty as any queen outthere. You know. Um, they
just tend to wear more hair ontheir head. You know, they just
had the spread the hair out,you know. They Yes, it's seventy

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plus year old, too old togo out in public as a beer drag
queen. Never, you were nevertoo old to truly be able to authentically
be yourself yea. Um so no, not at all. In fact,
let them see that beard, glitterthat thing up, you know. Yeah,
But um, I mean do youhave to you have to be able

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to open your mind to be ableto let people under your heart and accept
UM and I actually moving through mydrag family. That's one of the biggest
things that I love about my drugfamily. I have a deva in my
drag family. I have a dragking in my um drag family. I
have a drag queen in my dragfamily, you know. And and they're
firstifying to me my drug family.Even though it's more of a mentor style

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thing, I still treat them likethat because I'll be there for them as
much as I can. UM withbeing a busy performer, being able to
try val and stuff, it's it'sas hard. But when I can be
there in more than just drag,I think that's what makes an authentic family.
UM. And in fact, thatbeard and queen I was talking about
earlier, UM, she has anincredible uh drag family and they are really

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some of her closest friends. Herclosest friends as well, but awesome.
That's one thing that I really likedabout the drag community is the family style
of it. Delitter of that beardand says you that walk, It's funny.
I actually have some friends recently,which again it's kind of looking at

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the perspective of a show. Butum, a lot of people have been
like, well, you know,you should just go on there and advocate
um for your your drag on RuPaul'sdrag Race. And to me, I
think there are several openings that happenedfor other platforms before. What I'm doing

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is something that needs to be seenon RuPaul's drag Race. I think it's
lovely that they've brought you allowed transgirls to be able to compete. I
think that maybe opening a window tohave bearded queens or to have you know,
have the kings of all things dragkings. I'll be able to do
that. I mean, as faras I'm concerned, create a different show
and give a platform. I mean, if you don't want to know RuPaul's

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drag Race, I mean landon ciderof her if you can create a you
know, drag show. Just somebodythat really has an understanding for the art.
And that's the thing is is thatRuPaul tends to have the focus and
understand the drag qeen side of things. So where is somebody that we can
get that can avotate for the king'sside of things that has has has followed
that Journey has fought that battle,has you know, been there that can

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have that presence to come on there, And you know, Landon Cider is
a perfect example. Yes, he'sfought so hard for this community. He's
expanded the art form for what adrag king can be. And you know,
some kings have one stick that theybring out, you know, and
then other ones have you know,many layers and their chameleon And I think

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that that's what makes the art formof drag so fascinating. Yeah. Um,
when I found Dragon change in mylife because I was one of those
people that learned how to eat acycle, learned a bit, how to
juggle, learn how to still walk, learned how to you know, we're
head dresses, learn how to doall those things. And then all of

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a sudden I found Dragon. Itwas like it could all be in one
place, right, and so itjust kind of like grew from there.
Um, Rosie o'donnal what shit?What what was that about? I think
it was the host for a jikingshow. Oh yeah, oh okay,

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Um. There there's also Adam Allwho I followed that's over in the UK.
I believe, um, that wouldbe a perfect person. He just
another There's a drag TV show onTV or that's I think it's out of
Canada, but it's called Call MeMother, UM and it does have a
diverse cast on there. UM.They take drag queens and they're the judges,
but they each have their own houseof like drag performers that they've selected.

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UM. Yeah, yeah, allthe performers. A lot of performers
come in the audition, they pullthem into the houses. The ones that
are left UM at the end ofit end up going home. And then
they have the drag houses and eachweek the house that's the lowest that Drag
Mother has to UM has to letone of the children go um out of
the drag family. And it's supercool UM but I absolutely they love it.

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Say what what platform is that on? Out TV? I think I
believe it's out TV UM and there'sa lot of Canadian shows on there,
but it's been really fascinating. There'sanother one and I cannot think of the
name of it right now. We'reoff the tip of my tongue to save
my life. But that one's reallycool because it takes drag performers and they

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do which I would love to doone of these one day, they do
one of those, like talking abouttheir life and they do this dramatic reading
and they sing a song and theydo that. Yeah, it's like this
one man's show kind of thing orrun woman's show. And I don't remember
what the name of the TV showwas, but I thought it was like
the coolest thing ever. And Iwas like, I want to do one
of those eventually, but but Iwould love to either way be able to

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one day make it where. Thereare so many more opportunities as we continue
to expand, because it's great thatthey have it in Canada and let's get
one here, you know, Imean, RuPaul is expanding to all these
different countries and things like that.Let's expand these other opportunities to different countries.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, hewants me to go to Arkansas.

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Yeah. Yeah. April sixteenth,we have a dragon fundraiser for a new
nonprofit starting up called Queer and Wasupports queer businesses as well as queer artists.
Where it is at the Faithful TownCenter and it will be that evening.

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You can either follow on my socialmedia Instagram or Facebook. I share
on both, or you can goto the Queer NWA Instagram or Facebook page.
I suggest Instagram because they update theirstory all day and you can see
they share all kinds of vendors,queer vendors, even ones that may not
be at this show. Um.And it would be really cool to even
have you guys shared on there.I think that that would be a huge

(01:22:33):
opportunity for people to kind of seeyou guys. UM. They don't charge
for sharing you on there. UM, they just hope that you they They're
really primarily focused on true allies ofthe community or true queer vendors or artists
or things like that, and promotingthem and showing kind of what all they

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can do and what all we representand the fact that there are so many
of us out there, or thatour owning businesses or that they're performing.
Um. And then our you know, advocates, um, true advocates for
the community. UM. I thinkthat's that's a big space that, especially
in our area in Arkansas, isneeding to grow. It's too Rosia Donna

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is too angry for my taste.She's lost focus on reality. I haven't
seen Rosiada and forever either. Ialways forgot who she was. Um,
I'm just trying to think of likesomebody who I think aside from my insider
or a or a king um thatUm Hugo Girl was one of my other

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favorite drag kings, UM who hassince lately retired um from the drag community,
but still is very involved in queerevent organizing and stuff. I think
they're over in New Zealand. Umyeah, but there. And that's what
that's the thing is we look atlike the United States, but it's everywhere,
Like these art forms, these thingsthat are growing, these struggles are

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everywhere. Um yeah. I waswatching drag SLS the other day and that's
a UK version of We're Here basically, and where they just go and you
know, find a person. What'sit called drag sls. Oh yeah,
that's a peacock. I think so. But it wasn't bad. But since

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I'm a fan of We're Here andthen you know it's America show and then
I see that, I was like, I watched half of the first episode.
I was like, I see.That's the thing is just like when
there's shows, I know there's allkinds of stuff that goes on behind the
scenes, but when there are showsthat truly seem genuine at the like heart

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of it. For the most part, I think that that's really like one
of the one of the queer showsthat has really revolutionized, at least within
the past since they've started, isQueer Eye. I am so fascinated with
the things that they were able todo, And of course they've admitted interviews
and things like that that still struggle, but the amount of stuff that when

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when people at the end of somethingare able to say like, I have
truly grown and I truly feel likeI've you know, changed who I am
for the better or I've gone backto a better place in my life.
And you're like, if they cando that on TV show, and we
did this in our daily lives withouthaving to be influenced by a TV show,
could you imagine where a lot ofus would be? Right? And

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I think that, you know,shows like this are a huge example and
platform for what can be done.And I know we're simply having a conversation
here, but I'm hoping that ourconversations are either educating or touching people all
over or encouraging them to get outand be advocates and encouraging them to expand
the day are and be proud ofwho they are, not give a rep

(01:26:02):
of what people think of them orsee them as or you know for sure,
totally. So it has came tothe end of the show. God,
it flew by so quick, butthat means it's an awesome show.
It's in this show, y'all.Yeah, I'm gonna put you in the

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back. I'm definitely where. Umsee you guys next week, all right,
infat and I will talk to youa second. So there you have
it, mister ace O Hawks andyou've got to check him out next Thursday
because it's another part of his lifestory. I am so excited. I

(01:26:50):
wonder what he's gonna talk about.I already know. So um, I
hope you have enjoyed your show,joining your show, enjoyed the show,
and I hope you're back next Thursday. Thank you, Chanel, thank you,
Tony, thank you. Oh Chanelsays, I want to be with

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a L L. He is mynew hero. Oh well, that is
so adorable. And I can understandbecause I think he's a lot of people's
heroes and I thank a lot ofhim because of who he is and what
he is doing today, next weekand the week after that. And that

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is changing on a lot of people'slives and lifting them up and giving them
something to a little for instead ofnot wanting to live. Um. So
my closing is, if you dohave a child and they are who they
are and they come out to you, don't push them away, you know,

(01:28:04):
welcome them with open arms, tryto understand where they're coming from.
If you don't understand, watch somethingon TV, look up stuff on the
internet, talk to you a therapist, reach out to yourself, educate yourself.
But maybe another lesbian or homosexual ortransgender, you know, whoever,

(01:28:27):
however they are, don't push themaway because you don't understand. That's not
right. They're your child, You'resupposed to be there. Don't push them
away because you may be the onekilling them. That's why a lot of
children nowadays are killing themselves because theyfeel like they're living the wrong life.

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They're hated upon, they're being judged, they're being pushed away, they're being
walked on, spit on, shiton, you name it. That's what
you're doing to them by pushing themaway, letting them live, making them
live on the streets. You don'tunderstand because you're not being pushed away,
you're pushing them away. So lookat yourself in mirror and say, hey,

(01:29:13):
would you like it if your childpushed you alay, started hating on
you, judging on you, Youwouldn't, So think about it before you
do anything of the sorts to anybody, no matter who they are, how
they are, it's none of yourbusiness, you know, accept them for
who they are and don't push themaway at whatsoever. If you are a

(01:29:40):
hater, you are the one hating, and if you are a judge mental
person, you are the one judging. So before you do that, look
at yourself and tell yourself that beforeyou open your mouth and treat somebody like
shit, it's treating someone like crap. You should choose to be your rainbows

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exactly, be a rainbow in somebody'slife and help them help somebody else be
a rainbow in their lives. SoI will see you next Thursday, peace,
much love, and I hope youhave a wonderful week because I can't
wait to see you and have youzee me and as hearts and my hobby,

(01:30:27):
my lovely hobby right here. We'llbe here. Thank you, oh,
thank you for joining t Roy anda special guest here on Everything Yet
Nothing. Tune in next Thursday atten pm Eastern, nine pm Central for
another episode you won't want to missUntil next time. Be a rainbow in

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Can you believe that it's already over? Bye bye, everybody,