Everything's Political Season 4 Episode 17 - Hidden History - Donald Jeffries

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to Everything's Political. I'm your host, Taya Shoemake.
You can also find us online at Everything's Political Dot,
substat dot got out logicman Joe Strecker, and.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I was accused of calling access cattle, and I said
that I would never say such an unfeeling rude thing
about actors at all. What I probably said was that
all actors should be treated like cattle.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
That's right. Joe born on this day in eighteen ninety nine,
the famous English film director.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
You may want to open the rear window, Joe, let
out the birds, because you might get vertigo from our
next guest, whose investigative journalism suggests that our government just
may be the real American psycho.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Same as.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
All right with us Today is yet another author who
is at the tip of the spear of getting to
the truth of the matter, whether that's a person, an event,
or a situation. And he builds on his groundbreaking investigation
into the murder of JFK. Junior, and he takes that
work and applies it to the events of September eleventh,

(01:44):
the Oakless Homa City bombings that are investigated in depths
never seen before. There's also some new information about sent
Senator Joe who will emerge as a hero. I think
many of us have said that Joe right, McCarthy was
right maligned, that were not his fault or you know

(02:08):
that we're not within his control. But there's a reason
cancel culture started so long ago. And our next guest
dives into that rabbit hole and he is Donald Jeffries. Donald,
thank you so much for being here. It's both an
honor and a privilege.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
To have you come all. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Absolutely Okay, I've been so excited about this interview. We've
said often that after the last four years, everything is
on the table for consideration and reconsideration. Now you've written
a book, American Memory Hole, How the Court Historians promote disinformation,
which I love you turning the accusation back on the

(02:49):
proper entity. Awesome title. So can you tell us how
this new book, American Memory Hole enables that proclivity for
people who are saying, man, I'm reconsidering everything I've been taught.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well, yeah, and I think that's I think we need
to have open minds. I've never been one of those
people that limited myself. So when people say that it's
going too far. You know, when you consider the sources,
the same people that are telling you anything are the
same people that told you Oswald killed jfk Or nineteen,
praised Arabs, you know, did nine to eleven with plastic

(03:23):
knives and box cutters, and that you know, a rockead
weapons of mass destruction, and on and on that they told.
They've told so many lies. They have no credibility at all.
So I don't in your life would you believe. We've
all known, you know, bs artists and people that exaggerate,
and we tend to not listen to my you know,
we kind of roll our eyes when they say anything.

(03:43):
And I think that's the way we need to treat
the government. We need to treat the mainstream media that
way as well, because they lie about everything. So that's
why you have, you know, the flat earth and the
hollow earth and the simulated reality. All these things are
popular because people are questioning everything, and they should because
We've been liked to about everything. So there's no place

(04:03):
where I'm going to fear to tread, you know, And
I'm just interested in the truth. But what I what
my books, my hidden history books. This is basically the
third lume of hidden History. It's just my publisher doesn't
like the numbers, so they don't want to call it
Hidden Hisstory three they like, you know, I have to
come up with a different number name each time. But
they're the ones that people like. They sell better than
my of the books by far, and I think people

(04:25):
that are interested in history have a thirst for it
and they recognize that, you know that the history is
written by the victors, and that's you know, we haven't
won anything for a very long time. So I think
we need to keep that mind when we're looking at
any part of history interesting.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
That is a great point. Now, the approach to this book,
I know a lot of it was predicated upon your
investigative journalism on the assassination of JFK. Can you tell
us a little bit about that and how the interviews.
I know you interviewed people that really hadn't been by

(05:00):
by the powers that be, but how that entire process
helped form your approach to this book.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Well, I wish I could interview more people, you know,
we try to. What you find is that the people
that are connected to any of these events, they may
be like Princess after nine to eleven, A lot a
lot of people were talkative. They're not talkative now. I
can't get hold of any of them, the ones that
are still alive. Same thing with Oklahoma City jfassassination is
not too many people still left. But even there, you

(05:28):
see a fear, you know, when you when you get
a hold of people. For instance, one of the one
of the people I actually got through to was Timothy
mcvay's father. He actually answered the phone. Most of the time,
their numbers are dis connected, and I had maybe a
thirty second conversation, but he, you know, he didn't he
didn't want to talk. And you know, I said, wait
a minute, I think your son was a passing. I
was trying to, you know, And but there I don't know.
I guess they're just scared. They don't they don't maybe

(05:49):
they don't trust anybody or whatever. So I wish I
could talk to more people. And but you know, there's
a there's a woman in Oklahoma City that ran a
daycare center that you know, nobody's been able to locate forever.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
I don't know if you still alive or whatever.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
But those are the people that I that I want
to try so I never have. I have great researchers,
Chris Grays and Peter Seakais who really helped me a
lot as besting on this book. And they find phone
numbers that I can't find, and emails and content, but
most of the time the numbers are disconnected. So try
I talk to whoever I can, but unfortunately, not that

(06:22):
many people are willing to talk. And it's very frustrating
because you'll see, like in the years after nine to eleven,
for instance, some of these people were talking and they
launched lawsuits and all this stuff, and they're still alive,
but they just won't talk. I won't say any let's
update something. It's twenty twenty some years later. How you know,
how do you feel now? And I guess either they
just gave up or maybe somebody in their family died.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
You never know what happens. But clearly you can see
that if these were just random events. And I say
that about life in general. You know, I don't believe
in the random theory of I don't think we're a
random speck in an endless universe.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
You know. I think we're each special creatures of God.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
And I think and I think that the big conspiracies
to try to get us to not believe that.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
And I believe that you're really nothing.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
You know, this is you, you know the photos here,
you are in this tiny spec this is earth. I
don't believe that. And so we need to have respect
for the truth. And we're just being lied to all
the time in the history. And Santana said, those who
forget the pastor condemned to repeat it, and we've forgotten
it or we just were just totally misinformed. So when

(07:27):
I write about something like the Founding Fathers, who I
still revere mostly I'm kind of a fan boy theres,
especially Thomas Jefferson, and most Cortysurians aren't. They hate them, frankly.
And so I try to remind people what was built
originally here and how quickly it was lost, and how
it was completely obliterated by Lincoln. You know, my take
on Lincoln is different than vast majority of people, but

(07:50):
I consider him the greatest tyrant we've ever had, and
more and more people are coming around to that way
of thinking. But so I know I'm going against the grain.
I'm basically calling heroes villains and villains heroes, and to
some degree, but I think that's you know, that's what
history leads is one of my heroes is. And then
I used the term court historian. It was dubbed by

(08:10):
a guy named Harry Elmer Barnes, who, like me, was
a liberal. I started out on the left. I was
a member of the ACLU, and you know, good liberal.
I thought they were the good guys, you know, and
I quickly I learned, well, at least the liberals today
are not really liberal at all in the classical sense.
But Harry Olmer Barnes was that kind of guy. But

(08:30):
once he he started questioning why we had been in
World War One, he fell out of favor. So he,
you know, he no longer could get his work published
in the Nation and the big magazines of the time.
He was he was a big time writer, and he
was drummed out of there. And he was the first
so called revisionist historian. And because he was revising, you know,
he said, I'm looking at this and we need to

(08:51):
revise this. And he started he told he called them
the court historians, and I think that's a great term.
And he also said that all I'm trying to do
is bring history into accord with the facts. So that's
all I'm trying to do. I'm trying to bring history
into accord with the facts, and it isn't easy.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
And how did you find that in your approach to
the jfk assassination. What what shocked you most?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
That's my wheelhouse issue.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
I started to really I was seven when he was killed,
and it was one of the first impressions on my mind.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I was, you know, I was a Catholic kid in
a Catholic family. I had a huge impression.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
My memories are shared with the coverage on TV and
my family crying, and you know, everybody was speculating that
Johnson or something to be killed, and so I was.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I was stoopid in.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
That from the beginning, none of them believed that Leehart
the Oiswaald did it.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
You know, he was shot.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
I remember coming home from mass you know, we heard
another radio and so it had a huge impact on me,
and I became interested in politics at a very young age.
I was eleven when Robert F. Kennedy ran for president,
and I followed that process. I knew all about the
delegates and everything. I was rooting for him with all
my heart, and I cried like a baby when he
was shot. I still wasn't quite put it together at conspiracies,

(10:01):
but I just, you know, it just seemed like, well,
of course it was going to happen, because he was
a Kennedy. But then I started as a teenager, I
started reading the books that were coming out by Mark Lane,
and Mark Lane wrote Rush to Judgment, and he became
my hero and my mentor. And I joined his group
Citizens Committee Incore and i'd led the Northern Virginia chapter.
Got to meet him and everything, and I formed my

(10:22):
own political beliefs. A lot of the core of my
beliefs come from him. So he was a civil libertarian.
I'm a civil libertarian. There are very many of us left,
and especially this day and age. After reading my first
book on it and looking at the evidence and then
going to the library and checking out the hearings and
exhibits and reading the testimony, I mean, it doesn't take
very long for you to realize, Wow, this is they're

(10:43):
really really lying. God, They're just I mean, this is
this is and is for a teenager, it's shocking and
it just blows your mind. But at that point, I
still I still didn't really know this was connected anything bigger,
And I mean I I started learning about the MLK
and RFK assassination, and I realized, okay, they're connected, but it.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Wasn't until you know, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
It took me a while, and I started to drift
right words, you know, far right wing on some things
during the nineties, and during I called the nineties conspiracy central.
When Clinton was president, there were so many things going on.
Vince Foster had Waco, Oklahoma City, and of course what
I think is the assassination of JFK JR. So many
things that were going on just in that decade alone.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Would be rich.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
So I covered all them in my first book of
Hidden History. And that's when I started to realize, Wow,
this is really a massive conspiracy. It's way way bigger
than the JFK assassination. And I was pretty well known
in the JFK assassination research community, but I kind of
became persona and on Grada because of my belief in
all these other things. They want to consider that in

(11:46):
the vacuum. And you know, a lot of a lot
of them are so loyal Democrats and they liked Clinton.
I was like, okay, you know, he has a body
account bigger than olbj by far, you know, so you know,
how do you like him? But so what was I mean?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I guess it was.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
It's just I guess, as in all these things. It
was shocking to me as a teenager that they could
get away with this. And when I was a teenager,
I also was steeped in Watergate. So again I hated Nixon.
I thought the Liberals were the good guys, and I
wanted to be like Woodward and Burns, and I thought, well,
I'm going to be a journalist exposed, and then I
just really became disillusioned and didn't become one until much later.

(12:22):
I'm kind of an anti establishment, unofficial journalist.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
You know.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
I was amazed that the press was an interest to this,
because I thought, well, you know, these people are I mean,
I don't even know. Dan Rather got to start as
a local reporter lying in Dallas, a local CBS affiliate,
lying about seeing this appruder film and everything. I thought
he was a good guy, and I thought, well, we
go Dan, rather than people like that find out about
as if they didn't know or something. So it was
I was obviously very naive, and when I when I.

(12:50):
We tried to talk to local media, and I started realizing, Wow,
they're not interested in this at all at all, and
they just they just say conspiracy, theory, conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
And I was already hearing that.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
I said, Wow, this is really this is amazing. So
it took me a while to understand the press was
not the you know, it was not the answer, and
that you weren't going to get anywhere with them. So
and of course we come eventually to where we have
a Trump you know, Christen at fake news, and that's
pretty much what it is in his own kind of
unorthodox way. So and that's the problem with that is

(13:23):
if the press. There's an underlying theme in all my
books is that if we had a free press, or
really free press, then I and we had historians that
actually weren't core historians. I could have written any of
these books because everything with the truth would have already
been known. But because they don't, So I mean, I
guess it's good for me. I can sell whatever books

(13:44):
I can sell doing this, but I'm never going to
run out of material because there's I mean, even since
we finished this, there's way more that my researchers are
discovering that I could have put in there. So there'll
be a fourth volume and how many we can write,
because it's it's not to mention what's going on now.
I mean, I haven't gotten to the Trump era, and

(14:04):
you know that's going to be a book in and
of itself.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Probably I think that might be a corpus of work
for you at this point, because my goodness, yeah, and
I appreciate you saying that, because I think a lot
a lot of us, you know, liberal used to be
a good word. I use, I have to modify it.
I call it a classical liberal. I have those leanings,
right Jefferson Locke in that in that vein, But that

(14:28):
has become I don't know. I guess the only word
is bastardized. We've we've completely destroyed the word liberal, yes,
because that meant used to mean freethinker. It used to
mean you know, free person, both you know, in society,
both in theologically. I mean it has used to have
very positive connotations, and I think that we can draw

(14:48):
and I love your opinion on this. The proclivity to like,
for instance, your opinion on Dan rather before you realize
that they didn't care, or my opinion on whatever, you know,
nine to eleven or whatever it was. I remember seeing
the FBI, the yellow FBI on the navy blue jackets

(15:09):
that they had at whatever event it was, thinking, okay,
we're okay, the FBI is involved. You could not get
any further from that for me right now then to
see those and I think, okay, what are they doing now?
And I think that proclivity comes back to education and
how you know, that's where the humanism comes in, and

(15:30):
we have completely indoctrinated our children to think man is
somehow good if we just surround him with the right
microbrew and so government is the same. But I love
your opinion on that.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Once I started when I was researching my book Crimes
and cover Ups in the American Politics seventy seventy six
ninety sixty here, which was Hidden Hisstory too, basically, and
it was kind of the prequel to Hidden History. It
started with the beginning of the country all the way
up to the jfkassassination. The first one Hidden History was
JFK sass Station up through the Obama years, which is
when it was published. And you know, certainly I saw

(16:04):
that something like the FBI, I mean They began with
the Palmer Raids back in the nineteen twenties when they
rounded up all the anarchists and the people they were
calling communists back then, and they didn't get off.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
To a good star.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Jaeger Hoober was a young you know, go get her
then and they had a better reputation back then. But
they worked with the mafia, you know, they worked there
during World War Two. They worked closely with Frank Costello
and Myra Landscap, these people, and they helped out in
the war effort. I mean, you know you're dealing with,
you know, people that kill for a living. These are

(16:36):
the good guys, you know, And that's what you know
my and of.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Course thing you go on into.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
By the time I was investiats assassinations, I mean I
knew from the Martin Luther King assassination that you know,
the FBI had sent a letter to him telling him,
you know, you only there's only one option left for you,
kill yourself. I'm bus he's and to how many orders
they said, you have nothing else that you can.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Do but do this. So, I mean, clearly they were
involved in his death. At least we know.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Jaeger Huber led the cover up into the Kennedy assassination.
He wasn't the architect of it, but he was of
the conspiracy. But he certainly led the cover up all
the way through the Clinton years. You know the guy
of Frederick I think it is Frederick Whitehurst later in
the nineties of the two thousands that talked about all
the evidence that the FBI destroyed over the years. And
then we go all the way up through Trump when

(17:20):
they raided mar A Lago and suddenly the Republicans realize
how bad law enforcement is Nowaday, we won't abolish the FBI.
I don't know where that talk went. They need to,
you know, invade the raid mar Lago again. Maybe they'll
talk about it then. But I think we should abolish them.
We should have bolished the CIA, which JFK was probably
on the verge of doing back in nineteen sixty three.

(17:43):
We don't need most of these agencies. And in fact,
you know, I had a lot of people that were
drawn to my work initially that were anarchists, and you know,
I didn't think of myself as an anarchist. But I
have no more arguing against them. You know, when I'm
talking to I can't argue against them because there is
no authority worth respecting. And they say, you know, as
long as you keep as long as you let someone

(18:03):
be in charge, and you know, because nobody in charge
is deserving of our respect, and we can't think they're
on So at this point, I don't know what would
happen with anarchy, but I don't have any argument with
him anymore because I can't logically argue for them. Who
am I going to say we should you know that
we should support.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
There hasn't been a long line of respectable, which I
always say, if you want respect as a leader, or
if you are in power or authority over someone, then
you have to be respectable, right, just like laws, that's bastiad.
If you want people to respect the laws, you have
to make the laws respectable. And we're certainly not there.
We seem to be going backwards now. In the new book,

(18:45):
we have American memory hole again. And there are certain
events on which you shed light nine to eleven, the
Oklahoma City bombings, and you also, I believe you have
new information about who is maligned?

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Right, Yes, can you tell us about that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I kind of started doing that in in Crimes and
cover Ups. I talked a little talked about his death,
which was suspicious to say the least. And in this
we expeun more into it. I mean, McCarthy comes up.
First of all, he's been treated so unfairly. His name
is part of the dictionary. Now McCarthy is intent to
represent it and it's it's very unfair because it's he's

(19:26):
associated with blacklisting in the Hollywood ten and all that
he had nothing at all to do with that. That
was all the House on American Activities Committee, which was ridiculous.
There's no such thing as an un American activity. But
that was under J. Parnell Thomas. Nobody's heard of him.
McCarthy was in the Senate. He wasn't even in the
same body.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
He had nothing. He was.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
He was investigating what he thought were Soviet influence inside
the United States government, especially the army. That was what
he was doing, and he was stepping on some very
big toes and the powers that be all hated him.
He got terrible press, you know, where the people seem
to love him. And again, McCarthy was a genuine war hero.

(20:08):
I'm a Kennedy fan boy still. I read a lot
about the Kennedy's I defend them. They've been treated unfairly.
McCarthy was very close friends with the Kennedy family.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Robert F.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Kennedy's oldest child, Kathleen McCarthy was.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Her god's father.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Now they've tried to they've tried to distance and claim
that's not true, but it's in tons of books. He
was your godfather. They can't deny that he dated a
couple of the Kennedy's sisters. He was good friends with
Old Joe Kennedy. Who Old Joe Kennedy. I think I'm
single handling trying to restore his reputation. I think the
guy was one of the greatest heroes of the twentieth century.
They lied about him so much. He was not a bootlegger,

(20:42):
He was not associated with the mafia. He was a
World War One ant protester and a World War Two protester.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
JFK.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
His son, got his natural inclination towards peace from his father.
He's one of the first credits of the Federal Reserve.
He was on a secret commission in the nineteen fifties.
RFK Junior wrote about this in his book To Investigate
the CIA then, and he was the foremost critic of
the CIA in the nineteen fifties. Allan dallies in the CIA.
They hated the Kennedys before JFK got in office. So

(21:10):
and he also, you'll find in this book he was
the first high profile conspiracy theorist on Pearl Harbor. He
basically said, you know that Roosevelt knew about in advance,
which we know he did now, but he was saying
it then. He also was questioning some of that, even
though he had been a war hero, he was questioning
some of them that we go into that a little
bit in the book too, about the treatment the mistreatment

(21:34):
of German prisoners after the war. So he was an
even handed guy. I think he comes off really well
compared to his contemporaries. I think he was treated terribly.
His memory has been treated terribly. He entered the Thees
Naval Hospital at age forty nine for a knee injury
or something, died two days later, no autopsy ever done,
and the immediately.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
After was spared in death.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Jack Anderson came out and said he was an alcoholic,
that he drank himself to death. All this, So it's
those are the kind of people I'm drawn to because
he did not deserve that, and hopefully this book gives
people another side of it.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Well, we appreciate that. Yes to your point about Papa
Joe Kennedy, I mean, that's all I learned. And it's
interesting that there are characters on both the left and
the right that evidently it's okay to malign them. You know,
usually the line today is in TV or entertainment, the
only people you can make fun of our Southern Christians, right,

(22:30):
and they'll be able to take it, okay. Everybody else
gets triggered in a lot. But throughout history there are
people on all sides of the aisle that the uniparty,
if you will, that's what I call it now, it says, okay,
it's okay because these people were threatening the system.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Is that fair?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I write a lot about this.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
You know, people don't understand what this guy you talk
about Greek tragedy. I mean he lost two different children
during World War two, the separate plane crash. Actually I
mean three three because no two two, but he also
son in law too to another. So three separate plane crashes,
I know, one of the odds of that, and of
course the oldest one Joseph Kennedy Junior, who would have

(23:13):
been the first president. He was a natural politician of
the family. He was even better looking than JFK. Was
a natural politician, wanted to do it. JFK was an
introvert who wanted to be a writer. He was pushed
into it by his father and he be came great
at it.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
But his brother was a.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Real natural and would have been He would have been
the one to do it, and his heart was really
in it, and he was more influenced by his dad,
so he probably would have been even more of a
thorn in the side of the establishment. He died very strangely,
as he's playing blew up and at the end of
the war, on a completely pointless mission. They were supposed
to go bomb and a German target that had been

(23:51):
evacuated for a long time. Nobody was there, They knew
nobody was there. It was absolutely pointless. I think he
was set up.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I can't prove it.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
I put what I have in the book book, but
I think it's pretty obvious that that that was the
first Kennedy assassination. Joe Kennedy Senior really was bitter about it.
He almost got in a fight in the White House
with Harry Trumman over it, because he said, what, you know,
why are you still supporting that crippled son of the
bitch that killed my boy?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
You know?

Speaker 4 (24:15):
And that's how he felt about it, and that's how
they felt about him. He had all the right enemies,
and he, you know, Joe Kennedy Senior, wanted to be
the first president, a Catholic president originally, and he was
rumored to be wanting to run in nineteen forty and
he came back from England and FDR summoned him to
some kind of meeting and he.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Came out of the meeting.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
I don't know what they told him that They must
have made him offer he couldn't refuse, because he came
out of there and endorsed him again. We still don't
know what happened there. But behind the scenes, he knew
a lot.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Of things they said he knew about.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
He knew about FDR and the Federal Reserve, and he
already was seeing things he didn't like you do about
the CIA obviously served on that commission in nineteen fifties,
and his son absorbed all this. So but if you
look at beyond that, he lost two children to playing crandsins.
He lost a third daughter, basically Rosemary. He's been unfairly

(25:08):
blamed for that. I mean, he tried to use his
money to cure her. She was slow in the parlance
of the day.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
She was a beautiful woman, but she was slow enough to.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Where she could have been taken advantage of a lot.
And they were scared of that. And she was already
kind of starting to get wild and wanting to go
out all the time, and they were terrified that, you know,
she was gonna, who knows what, have all kinds of things.
Bad things happened to her. So Joe Kennedy Senior heard
about this new cutting edge and it wasn't even in
America that I think he threw it. A flew to

(25:43):
Zurich or somewhere about it to have the front of
a botomy done, and we didn't know what it would
at that time. They said this was a miracle cure.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
So his heart was in the right place.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
He wanted to help his daughter, but the court historians
criticize him and act like he wanted that to happen.
It blew up in his face, obviously, because for all
intensive purposes, he lost to their child, so he was
reverted to like a two year old. So she just
died maybe five years ago or so in a convent.
But so that's really three children. And then of course
he had John and Robert both assassinated, so he lost,

(26:16):
you know, four children to death, unnatural, separate deaths. I mean,
how many people go through that? And the fifth one
essentially Ted Kennedy effectively. Ted Kennedy was in a plane
crash too, you know, he's another Kennedy in a plane crash.
But he survived it somehow in nineteen sixty two, and
then of course he was effectively politically assassinated in terms

(26:37):
of president. I think he was set up at chap equittic.
I don't think he was in the car. And that
was before the old man died. He was still around
to learn that too, And it must have because his
brain was still working. He just couldn't communicate, and he
must have been thinking, God, you know, all these things happening,
and he had to realize, wow, is this because I
made enemies with Churchill and Roosevelt back and then I

(26:59):
was going it's the establishment. I don't know, but these
terrible things. And of course he didn't live to see
so off his grandchildren die in naturally Michael, Michael Kennedy,
you know, playing football on a ski slope and runs
into a tree.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Come on, John, playing bad John Jr.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
And I was the first one to investigate that independently,
you know. And in the History I have a long
section there where I talked about the evidence is overwhelming,
that the official story is impossible, and I think he
was assassinated and here's any doubt about it. I don't
I don't want to give spoilers for this book, but
I was able to get a hold of two people

(27:34):
that were associated with JFK Jr's death in this book,
and people will be it's very illuminating to see what
their responses were. So you know, you'll have to get
the book for that. But it's it's uh the thing
about JFK Jr. That I discovered and people didn't know before.
And I talked to his high school girlfriend. In History,
I talked to a member of his adult inner circle

(27:55):
who very strongly, it said, I have to remain it
on him, and both of them assured me that what
I had heard was true, that he was obsessed with
his father's assassination, behind the scenes. He was reading the
same books I was when I was a kid. You know,
he was If we had met, we probably would have
been good buddies.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
He was the only member of the family that was
and he had like a quest to try to kind
of a hamlet thing even to you know, try to
avenge his father's death. And he was about to enter politics.
So and this is as I talked about in this
book American Memory Hold. There's evidence from RFK Junior's diary,
which was leaked to the New York Post by his
ex wife Mary and who then went on to be

(28:36):
found hanged in a barn. I mean, you know, you
can't make this stuff up. So and of course I'm
not saying suggesting RFK Junior. I don't think Kennedys don't
kill people. The body count balls them being killed. But
however you look at it, she did wind up that way.
And the diary has a lot of interesting tidbits that
I have in the book. And one of the things

(28:58):
I think it shows that JFK. Junior and Caroline were
really at loggerheads. They weren't getting along well at the
time of his death. And I think the secret that
wasn't mentioned in his diary. I assume that his interest
in the JFK assassination had a lot to do with that,
because she didn't want anybody talking about it, and I'm

(29:19):
sure she was appalled that her brother was talking about
it all the time and wanted to do something about it.
So I have to think there was something. But at
any rate, they weren't going to let him become president.
And we all know what happened there. And now I'm
sorry Q people. I don't think he's alive or anything,
you know, and attending Trump rallies, but he was what

(29:40):
was another just another Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's interesting and before we end here, I want to
get your thoughts on RFK Junior. But when I take
a look at the scope of history and consider that
our government does everything and more that we only accuse
other governments of doing, I have no doubt in my
mind that that that is the case. And I look
through history, I always go back to Eisenhower and the

(30:06):
Dulles brothers, And I bring that up because you mentioned
Allan Dulles, who was the head of the CIA, his
brother John Foster, John Foster, John Foster Douglas.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
I've had people on the show that revere the Dalles brothers.
When I look back at the Dulles brothers, I see
a lot of the reason why we saw a communist
behind every corner, or we intervened and I ran, and
when we were relatively amicable. I don't know, do you
think it started before then or do you think that
that era had a lot to do with the issues

(30:41):
that our government has been involved with thus far.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Well, yeah, I think that that and the Kennedy's fascination.
I think that's where maybe the modern era began. And
the Dalles brothers were instrumental in constructing the military industrial complex,
intelligence complex, and that changed things when that was felt
in it became But you know, my my work goes
back to you know, before that, there were were like

(31:05):
in this book, you'll learn Wood or Wilson's intervention is
foreign policy. People have no idea the number of countries
he invaded, and of course, you know, we go back
to people don't realize that President Grant and invaded attacked
a Korea, I think, and during the ages, you know,
there's so many things that that again are not reported
by the historians so. But by the time of the

(31:28):
once the military industrial complex was constructed that Eisenhower actually
warned us about. Of all people and his way out
of office, the Dulles brothers were certainly there, and the
CIA gave them a handy organization with a secret budget,
and they're still secret. You know, the Intelligence Agency's budgets
have never been made public, and nobody on the left,
nobody on the right, ever says, hey, you know, we
should know it did not know that. Yeah, and it's

(31:51):
bad enough we don't know what they're spending it on, right,
I mean, you know, they can have a whole you know,
here's a billion dollars for a hit squad, and this
is how we kill whistleblowers.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
We don't know, well, but so.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
There's a we should at least to know what their
budget is, even if we don't know what it's being
spent on. But that has never been the case, and
nobody seems to uh be demanded that. At one time,
Alan Dulles in the nineteen fifties was the big had
the biggest ls largest LSD collection of anybody in the world.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Because the CIA was so involved in doling.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
I mean, your your taxpayer's money. I try to tell
this to people, this is what you were paying for,
You were paying for them. They operated.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
We know this. This is a fact.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
It's not a theory that they operated a whorehouse in
San Francisco that they set up and they would they
would give the johns that came in drinks laced with LSD,
and then they'd watch them having sex with the prostitutes
that they hired, We paid for with your tax money,
while they were on all.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
State what what? What? How did that? What had to
do with the cold world?

Speaker 4 (32:53):
They also they were actually seriously at one time thinking
of staging a fake Second Coming of Christ off the
shops of Cuba. They actually talked to it. And then
of course we had when people when people when the
people like me and stuff. We questioned mass shooting events
and everything. We talked about crisis actors and all that. Well,
you know Operation Northwoods, which we only found out about

(33:13):
by accident in the nineteen nineties with their JFK releases.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
What is this and this this.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Sounds like a giant sandy hook thing. I mean, the
entire thing was that we're going to have. It's it's
unclear how many things we're going to be fake or real,
but they're you know, plane crashes maybe fake, maybe real.
Murders may be fake, maybe real, and all to be
blamed on Cuba to try and of course, and JFK
the entire Jointieese of staffs to prove it. JFK two

(33:40):
is eternal credit says this is the same right, and
it was never revisited.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
And just for our audience, Operation Northwoods was the CIA
saying we're going to create a terrorist attack on American soil,
blame it on Cuba so we can go to war
right and.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Use all those you know.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Maybe again, it's unclear how many the events were to
be fake and how many people they were really going
to kill. I don't know, but I mean it sounds
very much like what the so crazy conspiracy theorists have
been talking about in.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
These school shootings, and so I think, you know, we looking.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
At all these things and I'm just barely scratching the services,
you know, with my researchers especially, they find things.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I didn't know about.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I didn't know the extent of Wilson, for instance, that
all the countries I didn't know that, you know, they
were trying to set up plantations in Haiti back in
nineteen twenties and things like that. America is I didn't
know these things. So there's so much there to learn,
and it's been covered up so much, and we're kind
of doled out what I call mick history, you know,
fast food history, where you're just they just pick out

(34:44):
little highlights. So you say, you know, George Washington was
the first president. He established a republic, and you know,
Lincoln saved the Union, he preserves the Union. He's our
secular saying he freed the slaves and then FDR expanded,
you know, the government so that social security and protection
for everyone. And it's that's that's Rosa Parks, you know,
refused to sit in the back of a bus. I mean,

(35:05):
that's that's the history our people learn. It's like there's
so many blanks. There's so much there, but they don't
want you to know it.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
No, And you you wonder when when it started for
them to say, hey, we need to dumb down and
we need to indoctrinate so that we can control and
who knows what the criteria were, who knows what rubric
on which they were moving those criteria.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
But if you give.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
People a well, a breadth and depth of historical knowledge
at least, I think obviously you'll you'll come up with
a more reasoned electorate of saying, look, we get some
things wrong. We may have we may have gotten some
things right, but you know it's a hodgepodge ergo. We
need a limited government, very limited enumerated powers government because

(35:55):
now we have the Hobsea and Leviathan and uh and
there's no room for life. And you're going to step
in line. You know, it's the party insock, you know
from nineteen eighty four. Reject the evidence of your eyes
and your ears. And what would be your advice to
parents who you know maybe they can't homeschool or or

(36:18):
they're trying to add I mean we point people toward
non revisionists all the time, whether it's your books, whether
it's Tom Woods or Brian McClanahan, And not necessarily that
we would end up agreeing, but you have to be
critical thinkers to weigh the evidence, right. What would your
advice to parents be, Well, I'm.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Glad that I'm not a parent of small children now,
I mean, my kids are grown and I would probably
be on viral YouTube videos all the time. My kids
are in school, because I'd be being tased or beaten
up at you know, school board meetings or whatever. Yeah,
you really need to stay away from the schools. But
you're right, and that's what a lot of people on
the right when they talk about homeschooling. And I'd try

(36:59):
to argue that, I said, well, you know, unfortunately, that's
beyond the means the financial means of most a lot
of people. Because both parents have to work, who's going
to stay with the kids. So it is the only
thing I could suggest is to do what I did,
and I, because I was weary even back then, I
established relationships with all their teachers, at least until they

(37:20):
got to high school. It's hard to do that, but
you know, certainly in grade school I did, and I
volunteered and I went in there, e Bey Friday, I
had lunch with them, I volunteered in the class, so
I got to know them. And the teachers generally treat
your kids better when you do that, you know, because
they whether they're consciously or not.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
But uh, and I was. I was always on the
lookout for.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
The things I didn't like, and I didn't really see
much back then. But again that was you're talking about
the nineties and early two thousands, so that was I
guess a long time ago relatively speaking to what's happening now.
And I would only suggest, assuming I guess they still
they might not want parents to come in anymore, especially
if they're teaching, you know, I doubt they want any

(38:01):
critical parents coming in during transgender story or if they're
doing that kind of nonsense. But I think you have
to try to go to those things, and I would,
you know, my wife would probably be mortified if I
did it, but I would. I would have to, you know,
go there and make a scene if necessary, and try
to get other.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
People to do it as well.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
But I think you have to if you can't afford
to homeschool and you have to be in there, you
have to make your voices be heard. And you can
see they're brave people that are talking up parents. There's
a real brave teenager I'm trying to get on my podcast,
and her mother's kind of protective of her and she's
becoming disillusioned with it, but she's she's just I think,
what's the name of this I forget the name of

(38:39):
the school board, but it's one of the worst ones
out in the Midwest. But she's just chewed them out
great videos. Just you know, she's like fourteen, fifteen years
old and she just blasts them, you know, how terrible
they are and everything, and they just usually walk out
on her. But I think you have to do that.
And my argument always with these people that if there's
going to be any change, it's going to happen to

(39:01):
happen at that level. We need, we should be able
to make changes at the school board level, but we
will never be able to do that as long as
you see those other parents sitting there in their cell
phones and not they need to jump up and say yes,
right and just stand in solidarity.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It doesn't take that many and and the CoP's not going.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
To come over probably and try to beat up twenty people, right,
you know, and so but nobody it's always the lone wolf.
That's always yeah, And I would be I'm sure you
know I would be let out on all of them too.
But that's I think all we knew is try to
try to find parents that like mind apparents, because there
are other parents that have to send their kids to
school that can't afford homeschool either. But yeah, I don't

(39:39):
like the way the right demonies. Well, it's crazier for you.
They shouldn't be in school. Well, some people don't have
any other choice.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And it's hard, and it's a lifestyle and it's a calling,
and it's not for everybody. And we we were homeschoolers,
but we knew that before we got married, right, right, right,
we had planned for that. But I agree with you,
it's got to be you know, it doesn't take necessarily
a majority of the people there, right, It's it's the

(40:10):
old Sam Adams. It just takes a minority of liberty lovers,
you know, to stir the fires of it.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
And let's take that many.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
No, right, you would just even like I said, if
you had, if you had twenty ideally or something at
that that we're vocal and saying yeah, right and shouting
together that's right, yeah, and applauding loudly, drowning it up.
But you never have that. You maybe have a couple,
and it's never enough. And that's that's the answer to everything,
all the problems we have, because we're really our only

(40:39):
weapon that we have, our greatest weapon is we really
we outnumber them by the hundreds of millions, So they
shouldn't be able to do what they're doing. But they're
only able to do because they've divided us on so
many fronts and we can't come together in a common cause.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Correct division is the key to their victory. That one
hundred percent, it's and that's why I like the RFK
Junior's message of moral courage and unity. You know, not
that I think, I mean, I like RFK Junior. I
like a lot of what he has to say. I'd
love to see him in a position where he can
affect positive change. I think there are classical liberal leanings

(41:18):
to him that speak to a lot of conservatives, and
I think that's why a lot of conservatives at least
have a glance. You know, at least you can have
what did I say the other day? You know, you
can have the Hobbes Locke discussion with RFK JR. Right,
I'm not sure that the others don't think Hobbes and
Lock or that the next release in the Fast and

(41:39):
Furious franchise.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I RFK JR. I love obviously, I'm
prettdisposed to love him. I've been disillusioned a lot by
his campaign has not been a good campaign. His allegiance
to Israel is shocking the way he's and he's got
by Schmooley, this clown that's, you know, like his handler.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
It's like he says a gun to his head. But
he even with all that, he's still saying enough good
things that makes him obviously the obvious choice out there.
And I don't like the way he's been more. As
I pointed out my newest sub stack, I rose, and
how did he go from he was over twenty percent
in all the polls.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
How did he lose all that.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Support to now where they claim he's like three percent?
Or what happened all these people that were going to
support it?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
You know, yeah, And I'm glad you brought up Israel
because our audience is I don't want to say they're divided,
They're not that a lot of people get confused on
this topic because it is so one sided. And my
approach is, what does support Israel mean? Right doesn't mean

(42:50):
to me, it means uncuff them, let him do what
they got to do, but I'm not going to necessarily
pay for it with with blood, right with And it's
so many people think that supporting Israel means writing them
a blank check. I don't write my kids blank checks.
And we have way too much of that going on.
And so I'm I mean as an author, as an

(43:13):
investigative journalist, because I consider you that what is your
position or how do you view that whole situation?

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Well, I think that it's it's it's interesting, and it's
it's it's good that it's it's been talking about so
much now, yeah, where it wasn't. You're you're saying things
I never thought i'd hear, you know, discussed in public,
but unfortunately, you know, and it's I have, you know,
a lot of supporters, a lot of fans that I
hear from, and so many of them, you know, think
the Jews are behind everything. And I I hear this

(43:42):
all the time, and they want me to talk more
about that stuff. And again I try to. I said, Look,
I don't, I don't shy away from talking about anything.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
But uh, I have you know, you don't you have
to tell me what a Jew means.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
I mean, most of my relatives are I'm not, but
are a part Jewish because one of my mother's sisters
married a Jew who became a Catholic, but they had
like eleven kids, and a bunch of them had a
bunch of kids. So I've literally scores of cousins like
that that have, you know, but then none of them
go to synagogue.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
I don't, you know, but I don't know they they
you know, what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (44:14):
There's so much inner marriage that it's it's kind of
lost the meaning. I have other relatives like that, So.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
I said, you know, I'm comfortable.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
You know, painting with that brought up brush like that.
But it's undeniable that people who run television networks and
film studios that they're all Jewish. I mean, they're so
that and that's a very small group. So there is
tremendous power there, but it's it's and it's from a
very small, tiny percentage of a small group to begin with.

(44:42):
So I think that has to be explained that. I
think that has to a lot to do with why
we support Israel so much and why we give so
much money there. But you're right, I wouldn't. I feel
for the Palestinians. I think what's been done to them
is terrible, but I'm also mindful that I don't necessarily
believe anything I'm hearing from any of the country because
you know, we're being wived to about everything.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
So I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I'm here, but I like you, I just simply I
wouldn't I would end all foreign aid. Yes, So yeah,
and I think it would be unfortunate, like if if Israel,
because I don't think we're stopping Israel from doing anything right,
It's not like you know, so they appear to do
what they want. So if they you know, if they
obliterated the Palisans, that would be terrible. But I'm not

(45:22):
going to go to I wouldn't go to war against them.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
So uh. And that's that's the thing. I think that
we need to have an even handed approach there.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
And uh that was what JFK was the last you
know president who wanted to have well harder to some
degree to I wanted to have an even handed policy
in the Middle East where we weren't we weren't just
so one sided. And we've made so many you know,
enemies in the Arab world because of that, and it's

(45:52):
all because of our support for Israel. There there's no
other reason for them to hate us the way they have.
But they know who finances is right, who finds design
is and then unfortunately until they go back and you
need to go back to how Israel has founded and
and you know the fact that there it was, it
was founded on land that was already there, and people
say they owned it.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
These are questions that I think should be asked. But
I think it's interesting because they've created I talk a
lot about the great replacement theory and the anti white agenda,
which is very real, and all the criticism of Israel
now is coming from non whites because they and they,
and this is what's interesting, because they they have been
indoctrinated into this anti so they look at Israel as

(46:34):
a white colonizer, and they look at the Palestinians as
non white, so they're naturally going to side with the Palestinians.
And the people that run the establishment, they run everything,
are always on the sides of non white saying whatever
they want, that's anti white. But now suddenly, wait, there's
a there's a new rule, but you can't say that
about Israel.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Why why is that? So?

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I think it's interesting to see what's uh. And you
saw that already in the free we saw that apparently
neither side believes in free speech truly, because once the
Palestinian groups started wanting to protest on campus is suddenly
the rank got upset. And this is the same right
that rightfully was upset when conservatives weren't allowed to speak
on college campuses. So you either have free speech or

(47:14):
you don't. But I think that's the key to it.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
And that's why that.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Poll recently where they found that fifty three percent of
Americans believe the First Amendment goes too far. It's where
we're at. You know, we're out numbered. Most Americans don't
believe in free speech at this point.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, that's a sad state, unfortunately. And I think the
answer to that is more speech, more free speech, and
more discussion. But I don't think people are taught to
think critically enough past one or two talking points that
they hear on TV. And so they get frustrated. They
realize I think deep down, they realize they've been duped

(47:48):
or played or been told that because they have a
certain test score that they're brilliant, and they realize they're not.
And so they have to come to the meeting of
the minds and they're not armed, so to speak, and
you know, it's it's frustrating because even just laying out
definitions can help resolve a lot of content tween, right,

(48:12):
just tell me how you define this, and then we'll
we'll be able to concede somewhere.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
I love the Candice Owens, who has really become radicalized
ever since Ben Shapiro flipped out and fired her. But
I like what she was she's And that's what I
asked when people talking about anti Semitism, I said, well,
define what that means?

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Right, what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (48:32):
And they can't define it? And then and they want
to say, well this, uh, some Holocaust cent or something there,
We'll go by their definition.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
There should be a standard definition. What do you mean?
What what does it mean?

Speaker 4 (48:43):
So because it's it's it's lost. It's just like racist.
When everything's racist, nothing will be.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Exactly you know that kind of thing. You know, it
gets lost in the meaning.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
So when something truly racist might happen, nobody's going to
it's like the boy the cry Wolf.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yes, And I think unfortunately, anti Semitism today means unless
you're willing to fight a war for Israel, then you're
anti Semite. That's that's the vibe I get from Ben Shapiro,
and that's he turns me off on that. Unless he's
the pied piper calling everyone to war for Israel. Well
wait a minute, we've got we're broke, our countries and shambles.

(49:23):
We have no business going on. You know, I don't
know what he's thinking. Well I do know what he's thinking.
But regardless, and if you bring up those considerations, evidently
you're anti Semite. And I just think that's so it's
intellectually inconsistent and lazy of him. And that's uncharacteristic, No,
it is.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
And and when when he you know, he got so
upset about it. Okay, look, you have to understand you're
emotionally invested there. I mean, I'm not mostly invested in
the Vatican. Right if the Vatican got attacked by terrorists,
I wouldn't lose my reason and start, you know, firing
people that you know, maybe had some other theories or something.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I don't understand that.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
And I think again that's where they need to look
at the dual citizenship and the people that you know,
as I asked him on a lot, of course, he
doesn't answer to me, but I tweeted out to him said,
just curiosity. Are are you a dual citizen? Bet are
your citizens of Israel? Of course he didn't answer me,
because again that should be disclosed everywhere. Yes, certainly any
politicians like the guy that they almost named as a

(50:23):
vice president, although it seems like he would have been
better than this, this Walls character. But this Shapiro, he
supposedly fought for the idea at one point when he
was young.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I mean, he fought for a foreign country.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Is this service? I don't know, there's something this doesn't
seem right about that. But you know, they passed the
Anti Senatism Awareness Act. You have heard no more about it.
I don't know if it's going to be passed by
the Senate. And at the time I was asking, well
this is this is really or welling in but it's unclear,
you know, is this this virtue signaling or is this

(50:57):
or they're really going to be prosecuted for these things?

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Right?

Speaker 4 (51:00):
No one's answered that yet that I know of. But
it's you know, if you if you're if you're a
group and you want to you want to you want
to try to tell people they're crazy for saying Jews
have too much power.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
The last thing you should be doing. Is passing an
act to.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Make it you know, apparently a prime to question that
because that, you know, doesn't that kind of make it
look like case. So I remember thinking, you know, this
is I don't and it got tremendous bipartisan support. That
are very few people posted well.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
And unfortunately it just allows you to seed liberty to
government to bully someone on your behalf. And once you
see that liberty, it's gone forever and it usually comes
back to bite you in the backside. So, okay, thank
you for that. By the way, I appreciate that discussion.
I have one last question, what American memory hole, how

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the court historians promote disinformation? What most would you like
people to take away from the book?

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Well, it covers so much territory. It's it starts with
Jefferson and was my hero and his ranting about judicial review.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
You learn about judicial review in the book. It's very important.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
I think I'm the first person to feel strongly about
it since Jefferson, to be honest with you, but I
think you'll see there's an underlying theme running throughout history,
and I concentrate a lot on some really bad things
our military. Did you know going back to you know,
an unreported massacre of Christian Indians, you know, in the
early days of the Republic, which is shameful. The mass Newton,

(52:29):
I think is that massacre, but I can't pronounce it
all the way through the you know, what happened in
Mexican Mexican American War to manius atrocities. Obviously the Civil War,
which I covered more in Crimes and cover Ups, but
then what the Northern groups did World War One, world
War two, where you know, again in Crimes and cover Ups,
I talked about how the Allies raped so many German
and Japanese women they had to create special brothels for

(52:51):
them to stop them, you know, to channel there and
just you know, these things that Okay, maybe the other
side was doing the same thing. I don't know, but
it's these we're supposed to be the good guys, right,
So I don't know, I don't know what rape has
to do with ward, but apparently to our boys and
the greatest generation, I had a lot to do with it.
But so I think you'll find that the common theme

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in all my work is that the narrative I don't
necessarily say I know what, like you know, I can't
name the shooters of JFK or anything like that, or
you know, I'm not going to give you the names
the people that Plan nine to eleven I can guess.
But it is that you're being lied to. So whatever
the truth is, you're being sold a narrative each time

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for all these things. And it's always.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
False, it's all and it's easily proven false. And all
you have to do is do what I do.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
You just take all my stuff is sourced and footnoted,
so there's no people that call me a theorist.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
What's my theory?

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Tell me where the theory is? You know, these are facts,
they're sourced. I try to use mainstream sources as much
as I can because I know people trust them more
I don't, But so I do what I can to
show that. But and what you'll come away with is
that we've been lied to about everything. And so at
this point, why are you believing anything these people say?
Because these are better people in terms of more competent

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and in those days and they were lying to you
all the time. They had this absolute clown show you
have out here, and you're going to believe people like
Kamala Harris are telling you the truth and me, why
why would you believe that?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
So that's that's the old point. No matter what, we
may not be able to know.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
What the truth is without the resources to find it actually,
but we know that we being like we've been lied to.
So once you find that out, that at least you
don't give the people that are in trust and if you,
if you stop believing the lies, eventually they're going to
have to take the truth right.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Excellent, thank you for that. I can so we have
pre ordered our copy. You can find it on Amazon
American Memory Hole. I have a feeling it's going to
be like the real Anthony Fauci that I read five times, like.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
What Nobody Suns like the Apies.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
That was a tremendous book. I have no doubt that
this is going to be a tremendous book. And Donald Jeffries,
I can't thank you enough for your time today and
for the discussion. And I hope you have a wonderful.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Rest of your day you too, Thanks so much.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Okay, that was Donald Jeffries. Everyone.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
You can pre order American Memory Hole again at Amazon.
He also has other books, Hidden History, Crimes and cover
ups of American politics, Survival of the Richest, which is
about the corruption of the marketplace.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Dive in.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
We'd need more revision historians, not that we end up
agreeing all the time, but at least we'd have open
minds so that we don't get fooled again. And there
you have it. Okay, thank you for listening. As always,
Thank you to magic Man Show Strekker. Until next time,
who will stand at either hand and keep the bridge

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with me?

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Have a great day.