February 17, 2025 • 45 mins
Dr. Malone joins us for an insightful exploration into the future of technology and society. We take a closer look at the ambitious Stargate project, a massive server farm initiative with the potential to redefine artificial intelligence as we know it. With backing from tech giants like Larry Ellison and Sam Altman, as well as the Trump administration, we discuss the cascading effects such advancements might have, from energy demands to military applications. The conversation also navigates the visionary but complex proposal of decentralized nuclear power plants, championed by investors like Bill Gates, and the shift toward AI-driven military strategies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everybody, and welcome to Everything's Political. I'm your host,
Taya Shoemake. You can also find us online at Everything's
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the Vincent Damon Fernier of podcast producers, Nice Jesus, that's right,
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the Godfather of shock rock. You probably know him better
by his stage name Alice Cooper, who was born on
this day in Detroit, Rock City, Michigan, in are you
ready for this?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Joe nineteen forty eight. Wow, Alice Cooper is seventy six
years old. That just puts a great big smile on
my face.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Which you may not know about Alice Cooper or Vincent
if you'd like to call him that is that he
is an unapologetic Christian and credits Almighty God in the
person of Jesus Christ for healing him of his addiction
to drugs and alcohol. And in an interview that I saw,
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he said that he was praying about it because he thought, Wow,
now I can't be Alice Cooper anymore. And he said
the sense that he got was no, no, no, no, go
be Alice Cooper. I gave you that for him just
follow me and not the trappings of the world. And
he did. He's been sober for like forty some years,
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forty five years, it's been married for forty nine years.
God bless his wife. And so I love this example
because God put him squarely in the camp of the Philistines,
and he encourages young people through his foundation of solid rock.
It helps at risk teens and children, shares the gospel
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wherever he goes in rock and roll, and there's a
portion of that to which I can relate being put
in the camp of the Philistines, where you are surrounded
at every side, it seems by the enemy, and sometimes
you feel like a voice crying in the wilderness. But
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you have to trudge on because that's what we're called
to do. And so I appreciate Uncle Alice, and I
appreciate being alive when we're probably going to walk through
some adversity, if we're going to get to the other
side of what ails this country. But there is a
new sheriff in town jail, and in the words of
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Uncle Alice, it's no more mister Niskota. Okay with us
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today is another listener favorite. We have been so blessed lately,
and you all know him. I don't need to go
through his extensive credential list in the biological sciences and medicine,
but I will mention that he is also a best
selling author of one of my favorites, Lies my Government
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told me, and a new book or newer book that
he wrote with his wife, doctor Jill Glaspul Malone cy
War enforcing the New World Order, and he's here, hopefully
to help us flesh out some of the events of
the last couple of weeks. He is doctor Robert Malone,
Doctor Malone, welcome back and thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Thanks a lot for having me on.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Okay, I've been dying for this interview for a long time,
since well for two weeks. If you would talk about
Stargate and I'll just start with this. I know Trump
has a blind spot with the mRNA technology, but as
I was watching Larry Ellison and I know, you know
Sam Altman is I think Larry Ellison might be the
bank or part of it. And Sam Altman of course
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is the open AI guy. How do these tech bros
even get an audience at this point?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So insiders that I know because of the circles, I
find myself in these days have told me that Ellison
was in the administration quite a bit. In Trump one,
He's got a long standing in a personal relationship with Trump.
I don't know about Altman is kind of like the
new kid that's still wet behind the ears and doesn't
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really know how to behave on the big stage. But
Ellison does. And and so here's my take on this.
The issue at hand was really stargate to my eyes
when I watched that pressor. What I see is Trump
off at the side, Ellison kind of hogging the stage
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and the mic, and Ellison kind of interjecting or injecting
a narrative of his own volition. I don't think that
the mRNA application was pre vetted by Susie Wilds hard
for me to imagine that was the case, especially on
day two of the administration, talk about shooting yourself in
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the foot, of all the things they needed to talk about.
And you'll notice there has not been a squeak since.
So I suspect that Susie stepped in and said, guys,
this is not helping. To my analysis, the subtext to
all of this is transhumanism, which Trump is a fan of.
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I'm told Ellison is absolutely a fan of Altman is
apparently a fan of I mean, look at Ellison, what
is he eighty years old? He's got this smooth, shiny skin.
He's doing everything he can. I could only speculate about
what blood products he's taking whatever to maintain his youthful vigor,
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so to speak. I'm sure he's on. Let's give him
the benefit of the doubt that he's getting natural hormone
supplements and taking all his vitamins and whatever else he
thinks he needs to preserve his appearance and health at
age eighty. I think that Stargate is a trojan horse.
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So just to kind of put a couple of little
data points in for folks, Stargate is basically a massive
server farm is going to have, you know, be capitalized
aspirationally at half a trillion dollars, of which if you
listen to Musk back when this was all heated, Musk
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was saying they've only raised ten billion, only ten billion,
So ten billion seems like a lot, but relative to
five hundred billion, not so much. So these things are
massively expensive, and the projected cost of energy to operate
it is supposedly the equivalent of the entire natural gas
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consumption of the state of Texas. So massive energy requirements
for all these server farms, and what's being anticipated. I
live here in Virginia, Madison, Virginia, and the town just
north of US towards DC is called Culpeper. Culpeper's an
interesting place because it's got a lot of open land
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and it's basically they hung out the shingle says dear developer,
please come here at the same time, and they hung
out the shingle that says dear illegal immigrants, please come here.
And we've had a huge, huge influx. All you got
to do is go to Walmart on the right time
of the week. So Culpeper has a massive facility that's
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mostly underground. Just to say that is ostensibly the film
archives of the National Library of Medicine, but it goes
eight floors down. I don't think they need that for
film archives. So adjacent to that, they're now building out
another massive Amazon server complex. And remember Amazon has THEDD
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contract for cloud services, and you know all kinds of
sweetheart deals going around, but they won that against Microsoft,
so it was pick your poison. What's being envisioned for
these is because they all require huge, huge amounts of electricity.
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You'll remember back in the matrix that electricity was generated
by human beings in theory, but in reality, the anticipation
is going to be many nuclear power plants, something that
Bill Gates of course has invested in that are cooled
using basically a salt, liquefied salt that liquefies it at
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very high temperature. That's a lot more efficient for cooling
than water. So that's the key technological breakthrough is a
new cooling capability for these many plants that would be
sighted all over the country as opposed to three mile
Island that would serve all of the Northeast. It'll have
little decentralized nuclear power plants in your backyard, better that,
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I guess, than coal fired power with all the mercury.
So that's another pick you're poison. So this Stargate Enterprise
was and it's already had a major setback. The Stargate
Enterprise was envisioned to enable next generation artificial intelligence capabilities.
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Of course, that has all kinds of military consequences, and
in particular it relates to an agenda item for mister
Trump relating to American competitiveness, industrial competitiveness. It's believed that
becoming a global superpower in artificial intelligence is going to
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be necessary to maintain a twenty first century industrial base,
as well as the twenty first century warfare capabilities. Call
it what it is and stop calling it defense. And
that twenty first century warfare capability, by the way, is
going to be totally transformational, and a lot of our
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twentieth century infrastructure of carriers, tanks, big heart where big
armies is in transition now destroyers everything because of drone technology,
and the new face of warfare is going to be
probably artificial intelligence autonomously powered drones. So the drones no
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longer have to have a hot uplink to the facility
in North Dakota where you have a bunch of kids
sitting around with joysticks firing off whatever the latest missile
technology is against our you, whoever is on the president's
hit list. That's kind of the where all of this
is going. And of course battle drones, not just flying
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battle drones, but basically robots like the Boston Technology Group
with the robot dogs, et cetera. And of course the
twenty first century soldier or super soldier, where they're going
to basically wear a suit of armor that will augment
all their capabilities like you saw in Avatar. Remember the
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battle dress in Avatar's going to kind of be like that.
So getting back to Stargate, you can appreciate that Donald
Trump as his agenda is to transform the American economy,
and if you look at his overall agenda and the
executive orders, a large number of them cluster around improving
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American competitiveness and transform the American economy, carrying down the debt,
all of that, and clearly he's doing I think the
proper term is a Jacksonian approach to US foreign policy.
You know, unfortunately, akin to Jackson's positions with the Native
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American Indians that was just unapologetic in your face, get
out of my way or you're going to die. And
a lot of that's in the case of Trump, seems
to be partially negotiating strategy. And you saw in the
newspapers this morning or whatever you whatever you read the
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deals that are being struck. I think it's El Salvador
that we're going to basically with Marco Rubio, export our
prisoners down there, Sophie for service, Mega prisons and park
them down there because they're going to be more cost effective.
And also they're going to take the illegalaliens for which
we do not have documentation about their citizenship because they
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were all told to throw away their papers when they
came across the US border by the NGOs. So that's
kind of a bigger picture. And then in the case
of Stargate, Trump clearly wants advanced artificial intelligence, and Larry
and Sam and company are asserting that they will deliver
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that for half trillion dollars and are looking for I'm
not clear how much federal money they're looking for or
how much they're just looking for kind of external validation.
But obviously Altman has gotten crossways with Musk because Musk
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dumped money in open source AI and then he took
it private. So Musk justifiably feels burned, and so everything
he says has to be seen through the filter of
his own pissed off point of view. And then along
comes the open AI dump from China, and it appears
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that China has from a little ike and glean China
has built into this AI in addition to their own bias,
because of course, an AI in this generation of artificial
intelligence the current generation of artificial intelligence, the AI is
basically very dependent on machine learning, and machine learning is
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very dependent on the data that it's fed for generating
its algorithms and then for the validation data set.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And that's always the precariousness of AI. Right who's training.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Currently current generator AI? Okay, current generation II is based
on machine learning, which typically involves taking some large data
set and splitting it in some way, training on one
part of that data set, training the AI on the
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data set, and then using the other part of the
randomly split data set to do validation tests to make
sure that the AI has learned the right things, because
these things are notoriously prone to making connections between things
that aren't politically acceptable or spurious as artifacts. While these
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filters have to be built in, and apparently the Chinese
have really reduce the number of secondary algorithms that are
applied to ensure the AI doesn't run off the tracks,
and also built it around their own data sets that
reflect their own biases the season. So the consequence of
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having less algorithmic secondary checks on the output is that
it runs a lot faster and it takes a lot
less power. So suddenly the Chinese solution looks like the
ls Altman solution is overbuilt, right and doesn't require so
much power, So that's that's a glitch.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Or money, right, power or money.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So to my eyes, I think, given remember I said
that these guys are fundamentally transhumanists, I am concerned that,
as I mentioned, this is a Trojan horror and so
the question is, what are you talking about Robert Trojan
Horse for what he just has nothing to do with
little men in Soldier outfits Trojan Horse in the sense
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that it is being sold for one purpose, but it's
actually intended for another purpose. And the intended purpose, I
believe is to enable the development of autonomous general AI
or the super brain, the machine SuperBrain. That's if you
look at this facility and the infrastructure and what they're
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talking about building in this looks like it would be
the portal for development or enablement of autonomous general AI
machine intelligence, which is projected to be thousands of fold
in this next generation, thousands of fold more intelligent than
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the most intelligent human being in this world. That's being envisioned.
Elon Musk is anticipating ability to deploy a home robot
that of course would do your cleaning and cooking for
you and free you up, just like the Washington washing
machine is freed you up from menial labor, and make
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the homemaker even more autonomous from and less required to
do domestic chores, which will free them up to I
don't know what. And in this new robot that Musk
is apparently building out as one of their I think
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it's a Tesla project, they're anticipating a price point of
twenty thousand dollars. Okay, so the price of a Toyota basically,
because that's what it comes down to. You an entry
level Toyota, not a rev for what you know, goo
good ones, but an entry level Toyota. You get to
have your own home robot, and that home robot will
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have an installed artificial intelligence. So you'll have in your
home a machine that has an IQ probably significantly higher
than yours, even if we don't get to general autonomous
AI yet, but you'll have something that has an IQ
that that exceeds your own and the equivalent of multiple PhDs,
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so you know, and you're gonna have this thing doing
your laundry and vacuuming your floors maybe, so you know,
this will become your general go to for everything in
fiction versions of what this looks like.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, I'm thinking of Rosie from the Jetsons on steroids.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's that's I think the kindest and generalist version right
of this future scenario. But it's one in Elon of course,
with neurolink is in that same world of the tech
bros that envision this new transhuman reality. And let's let's
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just recap on that. Uh, transhumanism is envisioned to be
the next stage and evolution of the human species and
to make biologic humans obsolete. If you don't buy into
that version, and the transition, by the way, will be
a neurolink type capability, and if you opt to not
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have the machine human interface implanted into your biologic self,
then in this version I'm referring to the book Dark
Aon as a good read. It's a little deep and twisty,
but not a very bright picture. So in this new world,
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if you don't accept the transition state an implanted machine
human interface so that you can directly interface with the
machine world and their AIS and eventually their general autonomous AI,
you will be relegated to something akin to pets. You
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will be obsolete and have a little practical function because,
of course, in this version of Brave New World, what
Mattias Desmond calls the bullshit jobs will become completely redundant.
At the top of the list for those that are
going to be made redundant, of course, or the computer coders.
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So hey, guys, wake up, you're building your own demise. Yes,
So that gets to the whole useless eaters logic. What
are we going to do with all these surplus humans
that are just consuming resources and energy that aren't really
productively contributing to whatever this new society is? And I
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think Stargate is the portal to that. That is, the
intention is to enable this next key step of a
general autonomous artificial intelligence. But they're not telling us that.
So what that thing was on day two of the presidency,
to my eyes, having pitched business plans way too many
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times and rarely if ever having them had them funded
to Boston and Silicon Valley, Sandhill Road and La Joya,
Torrey Pines Road venture capital firms, is this was a
pitch and the target of the pitch was Donald Trump,
and to some extent the target of the pitch was
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the American public. Okay, when you do a pitch, you're
pitching some new technology platform. In your pitch, you got
to basically answer the question. There's some key questions that
you got to address. One is, well the dogs eat
the dog food? Okay, I love that phrase from my
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day's back dealing with investors. And another is what's your
unique competitive advantage? So what is it that these guys
would have that Elon Musk doesn't have, for example, So
that's an important part of a pitch deck. And another
part is kind of who cares? What are you going
to use it for? What is the killer app? Is
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off in the phrase what is the killer application that
everybody off the street, the guy on the street can say, Oh,
that sounds great, I'd like to have that, you know,
akin to the autonomous AI powered robot in your house.
What's the killer app? Well, what's going to vacuum your
carpet better than your room? It does, and it'll take
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care of your one year old along the way. So
they're sitting there they are pitching this. They pitched it
to Donald Trump. If you listen carefully, they've hit his
hot buttons, which is what makes me really suspicious that
this is basically a pitch, a sales pitch, and one
of his hot buttons is that he is totally wrapped
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around the axle. That Operation Warp Speed and the mRNA
vaccines were among his greatest accomplishments. And furthermore, his predecessor,
Joe Biden, has had two rounds of fail on cancer moonshot.
Remember there was the cancer moonshot when he was v
after his son died, and then there was cancer moonshot
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when he was president and you know, rim shot. What
we got to show for it pretty much nothing. So
this is another opportunity to poke Joe Biden in the
eye and to show that Donald Trump can do it better, faster, cheaper.
So Ellis gets up there and as I see the dynamics,
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Donald Trump is sitting off to the side, and alst
does something like he says yeah, but wait. He kind
of makes a break with the pitch, and then he
enters into the pitch of how is this going to
transform your life? What is this going to enable? Okay,
and then he goes down the rabbit hole of this
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pitch about personalized cancer genetic vaccines that has been circulated
in Boston and La Joia and San Francisco for at
least twenty years, okay. And fortunately we did a little
briefing interview privately for Bobby thinking that this might come up,
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and they brought in a number of people that were
in the historically in the cancer vaccine space personalized cancer vaccines,
as well as myself and some others, and there was
widespread consensus that what Larry as I put in the substack,
what Larry was pitching was absolutely obsolete, disproven, junk science.
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He was spinning a story that doesn't isn't aligned with
our current understanding of cancer imanology. So this logic of
personalized cancer vaccines has been out there for a long time.
When I was an undergraduate, my mentor Murray Gardner, who
actually created the cancer center at not U c l
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a USC. He created the USC Cancer Center. He was
a you know, bigt at National Cancer Institute. He basically
was shipped out to the West Coast by NCI to
start cancer capabilities as a satellite of the NCI. He was,
he was connected and back in the day post World
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War Two, he's tell the story that there were I'm
gonna this is gonna get a little explicit, uh star
stars from Hollywood male stars would come to the clinic
with rectro cancer. Uh, and you know this is the
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gay community, and they would excize those tumors, grind them
up with adjuvants and reinject, reinject them to these young
male stars and in a subset of cases, the tumor
would would disappear. So that's an early example of a
personalized cancer vack scene. At the most simple level, they
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were using adjuvants, you know, stuff that you would never
get through the FDA these days. You would never get
that through the FDA. You would never get it through
the I RBS and the approval process. But that was then.
That was before the whole program of searching for the
bi like basis, biologic basis of cancer, in which they
investigated galls on trees for viruses, and they just went
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on and on and on all through the sixties. So
this has got a long history of some partial winds,
some little teasing suggestions. But about a decade decad and
a half ago, there was a whole lot of excitement
because it looked like melanoma might be the thing for
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both humans and particularly in veterinary cases. So dogs get
melanoma horses get melanoma. It was a big deal at
uc Davis, and they would make personalized melanoma vaccines as
well as general genetic melanima vaccines, and they could use
all kinds of gene therapy based technologies to do this,
or you could manufacture the protein or use peptides as
a bunch of different ways to skin the cat. And
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the initial phase one studies look good, and then it
got into larger studies and as often happens, the air
went out of the tires and we don't have any
melanoma vaccines right now because it didn't work. And that
was the best case. So it's turned out the real
problem with cancer is the evolution of cancers to evade
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immune surveillance, and that turns out to be a real
hard problem. Now, if Larry had talked to somebody who
actually does this stuff for a living, he probably would
have been told no, no, no, no, no, no, don't let's
leave that away, assuming he was acting with integrity. What
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AI could be used for effectively is to try to
help in the health space and the cancer space to
try to help sort out the complexity of the interaction
between evolution of cancers and the immune system and immune surveillance.
That would be a good application. Another good application, because
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AI is all about big data, would be to sort
out associations, help identify associations between environmental toxins, food added toive,
et cetera. And you know, name your spectrum of diseases.
That would be a great application for a super AI capability.
But this one that Larry pitched of personalized cancer vaccines
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with a forty eight hour turnaround that could lead to
generalized cancer vaccines, seemed to be do what he was
saying to my ear and by the way, we're going
to use this cool new tech mRNA vaccines and we're
gonna have robots build the mRNA vaccines in forty eight hours.
That was just a pitch to the naive. And I'm
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afraid that person that was being pitched was Donald Trump
because it hit it has hit his hot buttons. And
I think it was duplicitous. I think it showed complete
lack of transparency and integrity. It was off the cuff,
entirely inappropriate for day two of a presidency. And like Elon,
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I don't trust these people as far as I could
throw them. And by the way, way I happened to
know that the head biostatistician for Oracle, Bill Dumachale, was
deeply involved in the initial detection of the myocarditis and
many of the other adverse events associated with the mRNA product.
But Larry is totally convinced that the mRNA tech is
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totally cool and super vast and fantastic and safe and effective.
At the root of this is that what Larry pitched
was the old, failed moderna business plan, and Maderna was
pretty much on the doorstep of being belly up financially
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with multiple failures in its attempt to develop answer vaccines
using mRNA technology, which by the way, was what the
initial focus was of Katy Kurico and Drew Weisman wasn't
infectious disease vaccines. So he's pitching a not just an
out a business plan, but an outdated failed business plan, right,
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And it makes me wonder whether he has, let's say,
gently an equity position in Maderna.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Fair that's the way you got to look at it.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, Now let's look a little bit more into general
AI and transhumanism. I think that transhumanism is very analogous
that whole logic that has been built up as a
house of cards by what I refer to as aging
tech bros that are uber wealthy, specifically aging tech bros
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that are uber wealthy and are godless. They're facing their mortality.
They've lived in their own little bubble of sycophans and
boot liquors and you know all of that. And you know, Ellis,
I'll be surprised if he makes it two hundred. It'll
be a sign of divine intervention or something, or or
the efficacy of certain blood products. But he's on the
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doorstep at eighty. And the logic is that they he
and Bill Gates is another one, and these aging elite,
and of course they brought in the younger ones and
they're all enthusiastic about that they're getting paid for it.
But at the core of it is this aging tech
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boru elite that is facing their own mortality and are
sitting on mountains of cache. And so the idea is
that they can upload their consciousness, their avatar, onto this
new digital world and live forever. And this will be
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this this is here's the socket with elon. This will
enable this next evolutionary step of human beings to explore
the universe because we will be coupled from problems associated
with acceleration, deceleration, food supply, you know, oxygen, all those
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things that just create all kinds of weight problems for
interstellar exploration, not to mention our lifespans. So we won't
have to solve the problem of cryogenic storage. We'll just
all upload our avatar a consciousness onto the AI and
it will live forever. There's been a whole nother cast
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of science fiction around what that world would be like.
This is every dystopian novel or movie. Yeah, they're all
in it. And I think there's the reason why it.
You know, those dystopian novels are pression is because this
is stuff that people have been thinking about and talking about.
So I think these people have basically created a new
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version of You remember back in the day when Walt
Disney died, that time frame, the rich and famous would
have their heads cryogenetically preserved, thinking that the technology would
develop that they could be unfrozen and reattached to a cadaver.
You know, this is this goes back to Frankenstein, right right,
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and uh, they would they would they would also live forever.
So that was that was that version. Of course, it
goes all the way back to biblical parables that the
quest for immortality has been the weakness of man through
time memorial.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
So the agenda then stargate, you have an agenda of
trans transhumanism and then driving AI autonomous general AI No,
no way, general autonomous AI. Correct, Yeah, and being sold
as you know, to your point, the pitch has to
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be who wants it? And how many people are going
to want it? Hey, who doesn't want a cancer vaccine?
All right? Right, personalized because we've learned we're all different,
and we've learned that we're going to react to different things.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Never never mind the huge six figure cost. It's going
to kick you. You know, we're already draining the bank
accounts of the elderly.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
And that was my next question because was I was
watching the press conference, I was like, where is this
money coming from?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
So that's it.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
That's a huge point, I think for a lot of people.
But I was actually insulted by that whole press conference
because it just presupposed that I've learned nothing over the
last five years, let alone the last one.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, so here's here's another angle on this. Uh and
and a lot of you know, I tweeted this out
a week or two ago, and and a lot of
people kind of said, yep, I agree if you want
to get into a nefarious explanation, as if we aren't
already nefarious enough, so let's go full on conspiracy, because
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why not if you were intending to decap President Trump,
you might want to deploy a strategy that he would
endorse naively, but which would split off a big part
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of his base. Let's call him the Kennedy voters. Because
that's exactly what happened. If that had been the intention,
they couldn't have done it any better, and it resulted
in a you know, the whole Make America Healthy Again
cohort questioning having buyer's regret, and that's still unresolved, and
(37:42):
and you know, it's it's a fault. There's some fundamental
fault lines in how the new administration is being set up.
If you think about it. Bobby wants more regulation in
drugs and vaccines and USDA health supplements and UH environmental
(38:04):
toxins and additives, et cetera. Elon wants less regulation. Doge
is all about streamlining and cutting regulation, and Trump is
about cutting regulation. So that's one of the key fault
lines here, and I don't know how it's gonna get resolved,
and it's gonna we're gonna kind of see that. We're
(38:25):
gonna get a pre read about how this is gonna
play as we look at the second tier appointments that
are gonna come down in HHS, the ones that aren't
necessarily going to require congressional approval. If they keep Peter
Marx in as head of Sieber. Peter Marx together with
Bob Cadillac at ASPER in the first Trump administration being
(38:48):
the originators of Operation Warp Speed and Marx sitting as
head of Center for Biologic Evaluation and Research within the FDA,
is you know, being a major defense. He's basically block
and tackled in all kinds of ways for the m
R and A products, denying the DNA contamination problem and
(39:10):
the consequences, et cetera. If Peter Marks remains in there,
that's a clear indication that Trump at all are going
to continue to push ows. So we're going to have
some real downstream data points that we can use to
kind of infer where things are going. And remember Trump
(39:32):
is as transformational as he's being, He's a one term president.
He's a named duck already. So is jd Vance, you know,
going to be the successor? Or who is and what's
going to come down? I know that I'm confident that
the political reality the next time we have a presidential
(39:54):
election is going to be radically different from the current.
I think the midterm landscape is going to be radically different. Yes,
I think that's the one thing we can count on.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yes, yes, indeed, the uh Well, I have heard from
folks and interviewed a few folks who offline told me,
and this was a year and a half ago, that
teams were assembled, lawyers were assembled, they were getting things
ready to go on day one, and that Trump has
much better people around him than he did the first time.
(40:24):
Now that was a general, a general statement, but you know,
I'm hoping that's true. And it's an interesting The whole
AI thing terrifies me with the transhuman element attached it.
It just doesn't make sense to me, because there are
worse things than dying in my mind, if you know
where you're going, certainly that's the case. I don't understand
(40:49):
the ego that it would take for me, This.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Is deeply narcissistic. Yes, yes, just to explore, just for
a moment, the imagine a world in which, because we're
kind of already living in it, a world in which
you have a hyper wealthy elite that is able to
extend their life span to one hundred and twenty years
(41:14):
something like that. Okay, what they will do is we've
seen with Bill Gates and these other oligarchs, is they
will accumulate resources to a shocking extent because they'll have
the benefit of time, plus they're accumulated resources that they
(41:36):
have already, So you'll end up with a world in
which you'll have kind of the dispossessed youth and useless eaters,
the average Joe, and then you'll have this hyper wealthy,
extremely long life span oligarchy that will act as a
(41:57):
predatory cast, much as we've seen happen with the wef
think Klaus Schwab. Plus he's got another four years tacked
on the end of his lifespan. So there's a reason
why in a natural world we have renewal. The birth
and death cycle is necessary to enable change and adaptation
(42:23):
and innovation and all those kinds of things. These folks,
just like we've seen as there, you know, this is
we're basically living in a world dominated still by the
first wave of the Baby boom and their biases, their wealth,
their interests, and you know, as they say, it's Bill
(42:47):
Gates world. We're just living in it. That future, and
it whether or not we transition to some machine intelligence
next version of human evolution, that kind of a world
will destroy the human race in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, indeed, for sure that all sounds fascinating and terrifying,
doctor Malone. But I appreciate you being with us today
to help us walk that out and give us some
context behind the behind the facade. You know, that's what
that's what we face every day, and if nothing else,
(43:28):
over the last five years, I think a lot more
people are learning to seek the facade right, to find
the agenda behind things like Stargate. Yeah, and I can't
thank you enough for being with us today, and hope
you'll come back soon, and until then, godspeed and have
a good one. Okay, Well, that all seemed terrible. Look, guys,
(43:55):
lots of great things happening as well, But this is
all part of it.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Just because someone we liked won an election doesn't mean
there aren't going to be any issues that's how we
got here. Too many people voted for a letter behind
a name or a name that was familiar, and then
checked out and held no one accountable and didn't hold
(44:21):
them to their oath. That's how we got here. So
we have to dive into stuff like this and learn
to see the facade. And there are a few ways
to do that. I think doctor Malone highlighted them, follow
the money and follow the agenda. At a lot of
(44:42):
times those are the same thing. But this transhumanism stuff
is fu bar big time. So we'll continue to be aware.
We'll continue to face these things head on, learn about them,
learn to articulate the position, and defend our position. That's
(45:07):
just how we're going to have to roll if we're
going to stop the bleeding. I don't even need more
than that. Anything more than that is a bonus. But
we need to stop the bleeding, and then we need
to teach our younger generations perhaps how to turn things around. Okay,
(45:28):
I want to thank everyone for listening today. Thank you
as always to magic Man Joe Stregger. Until next time,
who will stand at either hand and keep the bridge
with me, Have a great day.
Hey everybody, and welcome to Everything's Political. I'm your host,
Taya Shoemake. You can also find us online at Everything's
Political dot substack dot com. Shout out to Magicman, Joe Strecker,
the Vincent Damon Fernier of podcast producers, Nice Jesus, that's right,
(00:36):
the Godfather of shock rock. You probably know him better
by his stage name Alice Cooper, who was born on
this day in Detroit, Rock City, Michigan, in are you
ready for this?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Joe nineteen forty eight. Wow, Alice Cooper is seventy six
years old. That just puts a great big smile on
my face.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Which you may not know about Alice Cooper or Vincent
if you'd like to call him that is that he
is an unapologetic Christian and credits Almighty God in the
person of Jesus Christ for healing him of his addiction
to drugs and alcohol. And in an interview that I saw,
(01:27):
he said that he was praying about it because he thought, Wow,
now I can't be Alice Cooper anymore. And he said
the sense that he got was no, no, no, no, go
be Alice Cooper. I gave you that for him just
follow me and not the trappings of the world. And
he did. He's been sober for like forty some years,
(01:49):
forty five years, it's been married for forty nine years.
God bless his wife. And so I love this example
because God put him squarely in the camp of the Philistines,
and he encourages young people through his foundation of solid rock.
It helps at risk teens and children, shares the gospel
(02:11):
wherever he goes in rock and roll, and there's a
portion of that to which I can relate being put
in the camp of the Philistines, where you are surrounded
at every side, it seems by the enemy, and sometimes
you feel like a voice crying in the wilderness. But
(02:31):
you have to trudge on because that's what we're called
to do. And so I appreciate Uncle Alice, and I
appreciate being alive when we're probably going to walk through
some adversity, if we're going to get to the other
side of what ails this country. But there is a
new sheriff in town jail, and in the words of
(02:52):
Uncle Alice, it's no more mister Niskota. Okay with us
(03:20):
today is another listener favorite. We have been so blessed lately,
and you all know him. I don't need to go
through his extensive credential list in the biological sciences and medicine,
but I will mention that he is also a best
selling author of one of my favorites, Lies my Government
(03:42):
told me, and a new book or newer book that
he wrote with his wife, doctor Jill Glaspul Malone cy
War enforcing the New World Order, and he's here, hopefully
to help us flesh out some of the events of
the last couple of weeks. He is doctor Robert Malone,
Doctor Malone, welcome back and thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Thanks a lot for having me on.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Okay, I've been dying for this interview for a long time,
since well for two weeks. If you would talk about
Stargate and I'll just start with this. I know Trump
has a blind spot with the mRNA technology, but as
I was watching Larry Ellison and I know, you know
Sam Altman is I think Larry Ellison might be the
bank or part of it. And Sam Altman of course
(04:28):
is the open AI guy. How do these tech bros
even get an audience at this point?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So insiders that I know because of the circles, I
find myself in these days have told me that Ellison
was in the administration quite a bit. In Trump one,
He's got a long standing in a personal relationship with Trump.
I don't know about Altman is kind of like the
new kid that's still wet behind the ears and doesn't
(04:54):
really know how to behave on the big stage. But
Ellison does. And and so here's my take on this.
The issue at hand was really stargate to my eyes
when I watched that pressor. What I see is Trump
off at the side, Ellison kind of hogging the stage
(05:17):
and the mic, and Ellison kind of interjecting or injecting
a narrative of his own volition. I don't think that
the mRNA application was pre vetted by Susie Wilds hard
for me to imagine that was the case, especially on
day two of the administration, talk about shooting yourself in
(05:39):
the foot, of all the things they needed to talk about.
And you'll notice there has not been a squeak since.
So I suspect that Susie stepped in and said, guys,
this is not helping. To my analysis, the subtext to
all of this is transhumanism, which Trump is a fan of.
(06:02):
I'm told Ellison is absolutely a fan of Altman is
apparently a fan of I mean, look at Ellison, what
is he eighty years old? He's got this smooth, shiny skin.
He's doing everything he can. I could only speculate about
what blood products he's taking whatever to maintain his youthful vigor,
(06:23):
so to speak. I'm sure he's on. Let's give him
the benefit of the doubt that he's getting natural hormone
supplements and taking all his vitamins and whatever else he
thinks he needs to preserve his appearance and health at
age eighty. I think that Stargate is a trojan horse.
(06:47):
So just to kind of put a couple of little
data points in for folks, Stargate is basically a massive
server farm is going to have, you know, be capitalized
aspirationally at half a trillion dollars, of which if you
listen to Musk back when this was all heated, Musk
(07:09):
was saying they've only raised ten billion, only ten billion,
So ten billion seems like a lot, but relative to
five hundred billion, not so much. So these things are
massively expensive, and the projected cost of energy to operate
it is supposedly the equivalent of the entire natural gas
(07:32):
consumption of the state of Texas. So massive energy requirements
for all these server farms, and what's being anticipated. I
live here in Virginia, Madison, Virginia, and the town just
north of US towards DC is called Culpeper. Culpeper's an
interesting place because it's got a lot of open land
(07:53):
and it's basically they hung out the shingle says dear developer,
please come here at the same time, and they hung
out the shingle that says dear illegal immigrants, please come here.
And we've had a huge, huge influx. All you got
to do is go to Walmart on the right time
of the week. So Culpeper has a massive facility that's
(08:17):
mostly underground. Just to say that is ostensibly the film
archives of the National Library of Medicine, but it goes
eight floors down. I don't think they need that for
film archives. So adjacent to that, they're now building out
another massive Amazon server complex. And remember Amazon has THEDD
(08:43):
contract for cloud services, and you know all kinds of
sweetheart deals going around, but they won that against Microsoft,
so it was pick your poison. What's being envisioned for
these is because they all require huge, huge amounts of electricity.
(09:04):
You'll remember back in the matrix that electricity was generated
by human beings in theory, but in reality, the anticipation
is going to be many nuclear power plants, something that
Bill Gates of course has invested in that are cooled
using basically a salt, liquefied salt that liquefies it at
(09:26):
very high temperature. That's a lot more efficient for cooling
than water. So that's the key technological breakthrough is a
new cooling capability for these many plants that would be
sighted all over the country as opposed to three mile
Island that would serve all of the Northeast. It'll have
little decentralized nuclear power plants in your backyard, better that,
(09:49):
I guess, than coal fired power with all the mercury.
So that's another pick you're poison. So this Stargate Enterprise
was and it's already had a major setback. The Stargate
Enterprise was envisioned to enable next generation artificial intelligence capabilities.
(10:12):
Of course, that has all kinds of military consequences, and
in particular it relates to an agenda item for mister
Trump relating to American competitiveness, industrial competitiveness. It's believed that
becoming a global superpower in artificial intelligence is going to
(10:34):
be necessary to maintain a twenty first century industrial base,
as well as the twenty first century warfare capabilities. Call
it what it is and stop calling it defense. And
that twenty first century warfare capability, by the way, is
going to be totally transformational, and a lot of our
(10:55):
twentieth century infrastructure of carriers, tanks, big heart where big
armies is in transition now destroyers everything because of drone technology,
and the new face of warfare is going to be
probably artificial intelligence autonomously powered drones. So the drones no
(11:18):
longer have to have a hot uplink to the facility
in North Dakota where you have a bunch of kids
sitting around with joysticks firing off whatever the latest missile
technology is against our you, whoever is on the president's
hit list. That's kind of the where all of this
is going. And of course battle drones, not just flying
(11:42):
battle drones, but basically robots like the Boston Technology Group
with the robot dogs, et cetera. And of course the
twenty first century soldier or super soldier, where they're going
to basically wear a suit of armor that will augment
all their capabilities like you saw in Avatar. Remember the
(12:03):
battle dress in Avatar's going to kind of be like that.
So getting back to Stargate, you can appreciate that Donald
Trump as his agenda is to transform the American economy,
and if you look at his overall agenda and the
executive orders, a large number of them cluster around improving
(12:26):
American competitiveness and transform the American economy, carrying down the debt,
all of that, and clearly he's doing I think the
proper term is a Jacksonian approach to US foreign policy.
You know, unfortunately, akin to Jackson's positions with the Native
(12:48):
American Indians that was just unapologetic in your face, get
out of my way or you're going to die. And
a lot of that's in the case of Trump, seems
to be partially negotiating strategy. And you saw in the
newspapers this morning or whatever you whatever you read the
(13:09):
deals that are being struck. I think it's El Salvador
that we're going to basically with Marco Rubio, export our
prisoners down there, Sophie for service, Mega prisons and park
them down there because they're going to be more cost effective.
And also they're going to take the illegalaliens for which
we do not have documentation about their citizenship because they
(13:34):
were all told to throw away their papers when they
came across the US border by the NGOs. So that's
kind of a bigger picture. And then in the case
of Stargate, Trump clearly wants advanced artificial intelligence, and Larry
and Sam and company are asserting that they will deliver
(13:56):
that for half trillion dollars and are looking for I'm
not clear how much federal money they're looking for or
how much they're just looking for kind of external validation.
But obviously Altman has gotten crossways with Musk because Musk
(14:17):
dumped money in open source AI and then he took
it private. So Musk justifiably feels burned, and so everything
he says has to be seen through the filter of
his own pissed off point of view. And then along
comes the open AI dump from China, and it appears
(14:40):
that China has from a little ike and glean China
has built into this AI in addition to their own bias,
because of course, an AI in this generation of artificial
intelligence the current generation of artificial intelligence, the AI is
basically very dependent on machine learning, and machine learning is
(15:02):
very dependent on the data that it's fed for generating
its algorithms and then for the validation data set.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And that's always the precariousness of AI. Right who's training.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Currently current generator AI? Okay, current generation II is based
on machine learning, which typically involves taking some large data
set and splitting it in some way, training on one
part of that data set, training the AI on the
(15:35):
data set, and then using the other part of the
randomly split data set to do validation tests to make
sure that the AI has learned the right things, because
these things are notoriously prone to making connections between things
that aren't politically acceptable or spurious as artifacts. While these
(16:00):
filters have to be built in, and apparently the Chinese
have really reduce the number of secondary algorithms that are
applied to ensure the AI doesn't run off the tracks,
and also built it around their own data sets that
reflect their own biases the season. So the consequence of
(16:22):
having less algorithmic secondary checks on the output is that
it runs a lot faster and it takes a lot
less power. So suddenly the Chinese solution looks like the
ls Altman solution is overbuilt, right and doesn't require so
much power, So that's that's a glitch.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Or money, right, power or money.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So to my eyes, I think, given remember I said
that these guys are fundamentally transhumanists, I am concerned that,
as I mentioned, this is a Trojan horror and so
the question is, what are you talking about Robert Trojan
Horse for what he just has nothing to do with
little men in Soldier outfits Trojan Horse in the sense
(17:11):
that it is being sold for one purpose, but it's
actually intended for another purpose. And the intended purpose, I
believe is to enable the development of autonomous general AI
or the super brain, the machine SuperBrain. That's if you
look at this facility and the infrastructure and what they're
(17:34):
talking about building in this looks like it would be
the portal for development or enablement of autonomous general AI
machine intelligence, which is projected to be thousands of fold
in this next generation, thousands of fold more intelligent than
(17:58):
the most intelligent human being in this world. That's being envisioned.
Elon Musk is anticipating ability to deploy a home robot
that of course would do your cleaning and cooking for
you and free you up, just like the Washington washing
machine is freed you up from menial labor, and make
(18:19):
the homemaker even more autonomous from and less required to
do domestic chores, which will free them up to I
don't know what. And in this new robot that Musk
is apparently building out as one of their I think
(18:40):
it's a Tesla project, they're anticipating a price point of
twenty thousand dollars. Okay, so the price of a Toyota basically,
because that's what it comes down to. You an entry
level Toyota, not a rev for what you know, goo
good ones, but an entry level Toyota. You get to
have your own home robot, and that home robot will
(19:03):
have an installed artificial intelligence. So you'll have in your
home a machine that has an IQ probably significantly higher
than yours, even if we don't get to general autonomous
AI yet, but you'll have something that has an IQ
that that exceeds your own and the equivalent of multiple PhDs,
(19:27):
so you know, and you're gonna have this thing doing
your laundry and vacuuming your floors maybe, so you know,
this will become your general go to for everything in
fiction versions of what this looks like.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, I'm thinking of Rosie from the Jetsons on steroids.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's that's I think the kindest and generalist version right
of this future scenario. But it's one in Elon of course,
with neurolink is in that same world of the tech
bros that envision this new transhuman reality. And let's let's
(20:11):
just recap on that. Uh, transhumanism is envisioned to be
the next stage and evolution of the human species and
to make biologic humans obsolete. If you don't buy into
that version, and the transition, by the way, will be
a neurolink type capability, and if you opt to not
(20:37):
have the machine human interface implanted into your biologic self,
then in this version I'm referring to the book Dark
Aon as a good read. It's a little deep and twisty,
but not a very bright picture. So in this new world,
(20:59):
if you don't accept the transition state an implanted machine
human interface so that you can directly interface with the
machine world and their AIS and eventually their general autonomous AI,
you will be relegated to something akin to pets. You
(21:20):
will be obsolete and have a little practical function because,
of course, in this version of Brave New World, what
Mattias Desmond calls the bullshit jobs will become completely redundant.
At the top of the list for those that are
going to be made redundant, of course, or the computer coders.
(21:43):
So hey, guys, wake up, you're building your own demise. Yes,
So that gets to the whole useless eaters logic. What
are we going to do with all these surplus humans
that are just consuming resources and energy that aren't really
productively contributing to whatever this new society is? And I
(22:07):
think Stargate is the portal to that. That is, the
intention is to enable this next key step of a
general autonomous artificial intelligence. But they're not telling us that.
So what that thing was on day two of the presidency,
to my eyes, having pitched business plans way too many
(22:29):
times and rarely if ever having them had them funded
to Boston and Silicon Valley, Sandhill Road and La Joya,
Torrey Pines Road venture capital firms, is this was a
pitch and the target of the pitch was Donald Trump,
and to some extent the target of the pitch was
(22:51):
the American public. Okay, when you do a pitch, you're
pitching some new technology platform. In your pitch, you got
to basically answer the question. There's some key questions that
you got to address. One is, well the dogs eat
the dog food? Okay, I love that phrase from my
(23:11):
day's back dealing with investors. And another is what's your
unique competitive advantage? So what is it that these guys
would have that Elon Musk doesn't have, for example, So
that's an important part of a pitch deck. And another
part is kind of who cares? What are you going
to use it for? What is the killer app? Is
(23:34):
off in the phrase what is the killer application that
everybody off the street, the guy on the street can say, Oh,
that sounds great, I'd like to have that, you know,
akin to the autonomous AI powered robot in your house.
What's the killer app? Well, what's going to vacuum your
carpet better than your room? It does, and it'll take
(23:55):
care of your one year old along the way. So
they're sitting there they are pitching this. They pitched it
to Donald Trump. If you listen carefully, they've hit his
hot buttons, which is what makes me really suspicious that
this is basically a pitch, a sales pitch, and one
of his hot buttons is that he is totally wrapped
(24:16):
around the axle. That Operation Warp Speed and the mRNA
vaccines were among his greatest accomplishments. And furthermore, his predecessor,
Joe Biden, has had two rounds of fail on cancer moonshot.
Remember there was the cancer moonshot when he was v
after his son died, and then there was cancer moonshot
(24:38):
when he was president and you know, rim shot. What
we got to show for it pretty much nothing. So
this is another opportunity to poke Joe Biden in the
eye and to show that Donald Trump can do it better, faster, cheaper.
So Ellis gets up there and as I see the dynamics,
(25:02):
Donald Trump is sitting off to the side, and alst
does something like he says yeah, but wait. He kind
of makes a break with the pitch, and then he
enters into the pitch of how is this going to
transform your life? What is this going to enable? Okay,
and then he goes down the rabbit hole of this
(25:23):
pitch about personalized cancer genetic vaccines that has been circulated
in Boston and La Joia and San Francisco for at
least twenty years, okay. And fortunately we did a little
briefing interview privately for Bobby thinking that this might come up,
(25:46):
and they brought in a number of people that were
in the historically in the cancer vaccine space personalized cancer vaccines,
as well as myself and some others, and there was
widespread consensus that what Larry as I put in the substack,
what Larry was pitching was absolutely obsolete, disproven, junk science.
(26:10):
He was spinning a story that doesn't isn't aligned with
our current understanding of cancer imanology. So this logic of
personalized cancer vaccines has been out there for a long time.
When I was an undergraduate, my mentor Murray Gardner, who
actually created the cancer center at not U c l
(26:32):
a USC. He created the USC Cancer Center. He was
a you know, bigt at National Cancer Institute. He basically
was shipped out to the West Coast by NCI to
start cancer capabilities as a satellite of the NCI. He was,
he was connected and back in the day post World
(26:52):
War Two, he's tell the story that there were I'm
gonna this is gonna get a little explicit, uh star
stars from Hollywood male stars would come to the clinic
with rectro cancer. Uh, and you know this is the
(27:14):
gay community, and they would excize those tumors, grind them
up with adjuvants and reinject, reinject them to these young
male stars and in a subset of cases, the tumor
would would disappear. So that's an early example of a
personalized cancer vack scene. At the most simple level, they
(27:37):
were using adjuvants, you know, stuff that you would never
get through the FDA these days. You would never get
that through the FDA. You would never get it through
the I RBS and the approval process. But that was then.
That was before the whole program of searching for the
bi like basis, biologic basis of cancer, in which they
investigated galls on trees for viruses, and they just went
(28:02):
on and on and on all through the sixties. So
this has got a long history of some partial winds,
some little teasing suggestions. But about a decade decad and
a half ago, there was a whole lot of excitement
because it looked like melanoma might be the thing for
(28:22):
both humans and particularly in veterinary cases. So dogs get
melanoma horses get melanoma. It was a big deal at
uc Davis, and they would make personalized melanoma vaccines as
well as general genetic melanima vaccines, and they could use
all kinds of gene therapy based technologies to do this,
or you could manufacture the protein or use peptides as
a bunch of different ways to skin the cat. And
(28:45):
the initial phase one studies look good, and then it
got into larger studies and as often happens, the air
went out of the tires and we don't have any
melanoma vaccines right now because it didn't work. And that
was the best case. So it's turned out the real
problem with cancer is the evolution of cancers to evade
(29:09):
immune surveillance, and that turns out to be a real
hard problem. Now, if Larry had talked to somebody who
actually does this stuff for a living, he probably would
have been told no, no, no, no, no, no, don't let's
leave that away, assuming he was acting with integrity. What
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AI could be used for effectively is to try to
help in the health space and the cancer space to
try to help sort out the complexity of the interaction
between evolution of cancers and the immune system and immune surveillance.
That would be a good application. Another good application, because
(29:50):
AI is all about big data, would be to sort
out associations, help identify associations between environmental toxins, food added toive,
et cetera. And you know, name your spectrum of diseases.
That would be a great application for a super AI capability.
But this one that Larry pitched of personalized cancer vaccines
(30:13):
with a forty eight hour turnaround that could lead to
generalized cancer vaccines, seemed to be do what he was
saying to my ear and by the way, we're going
to use this cool new tech mRNA vaccines and we're
gonna have robots build the mRNA vaccines in forty eight hours.
That was just a pitch to the naive. And I'm
(30:34):
afraid that person that was being pitched was Donald Trump
because it hit it has hit his hot buttons. And
I think it was duplicitous. I think it showed complete
lack of transparency and integrity. It was off the cuff,
entirely inappropriate for day two of a presidency. And like Elon,
(30:56):
I don't trust these people as far as I could
throw them. And by the way, way I happened to
know that the head biostatistician for Oracle, Bill Dumachale, was
deeply involved in the initial detection of the myocarditis and
many of the other adverse events associated with the mRNA product.
But Larry is totally convinced that the mRNA tech is
(31:20):
totally cool and super vast and fantastic and safe and effective.
At the root of this is that what Larry pitched
was the old, failed moderna business plan, and Maderna was
pretty much on the doorstep of being belly up financially
(31:40):
with multiple failures in its attempt to develop answer vaccines
using mRNA technology, which by the way, was what the
initial focus was of Katy Kurico and Drew Weisman wasn't
infectious disease vaccines. So he's pitching a not just an
out a business plan, but an outdated failed business plan, right,
(32:05):
And it makes me wonder whether he has, let's say,
gently an equity position in Maderna.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Fair that's the way you got to look at it.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, Now let's look a little bit more into general
AI and transhumanism. I think that transhumanism is very analogous
that whole logic that has been built up as a
house of cards by what I refer to as aging
tech bros that are uber wealthy, specifically aging tech bros
(32:39):
that are uber wealthy and are godless. They're facing their mortality.
They've lived in their own little bubble of sycophans and
boot liquors and you know all of that. And you know, Ellis,
I'll be surprised if he makes it two hundred. It'll
be a sign of divine intervention or something, or or
the efficacy of certain blood products. But he's on the
(33:03):
doorstep at eighty. And the logic is that they he
and Bill Gates is another one, and these aging elite,
and of course they brought in the younger ones and
they're all enthusiastic about that they're getting paid for it.
But at the core of it is this aging tech
(33:24):
boru elite that is facing their own mortality and are
sitting on mountains of cache. And so the idea is
that they can upload their consciousness, their avatar, onto this
new digital world and live forever. And this will be
(33:48):
this this is here's the socket with elon. This will
enable this next evolutionary step of human beings to explore
the universe because we will be coupled from problems associated
with acceleration, deceleration, food supply, you know, oxygen, all those
(34:11):
things that just create all kinds of weight problems for
interstellar exploration, not to mention our lifespans. So we won't
have to solve the problem of cryogenic storage. We'll just
all upload our avatar a consciousness onto the AI and
it will live forever. There's been a whole nother cast
(34:32):
of science fiction around what that world would be like.
This is every dystopian novel or movie. Yeah, they're all
in it. And I think there's the reason why it.
You know, those dystopian novels are pression is because this
is stuff that people have been thinking about and talking about.
So I think these people have basically created a new
(34:54):
version of You remember back in the day when Walt
Disney died, that time frame, the rich and famous would
have their heads cryogenetically preserved, thinking that the technology would
develop that they could be unfrozen and reattached to a cadaver.
You know, this is this goes back to Frankenstein, right right,
(35:16):
and uh, they would they would they would also live forever.
So that was that was that version. Of course, it
goes all the way back to biblical parables that the
quest for immortality has been the weakness of man through
time memorial.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
So the agenda then stargate, you have an agenda of
trans transhumanism and then driving AI autonomous general AI No,
no way, general autonomous AI. Correct, Yeah, and being sold
as you know, to your point, the pitch has to
(35:56):
be who wants it? And how many people are going
to want it? Hey, who doesn't want a cancer vaccine?
All right? Right, personalized because we've learned we're all different,
and we've learned that we're going to react to different things.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Never never mind the huge six figure cost. It's going
to kick you. You know, we're already draining the bank
accounts of the elderly.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
And that was my next question because was I was
watching the press conference, I was like, where is this
money coming from?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
So that's it.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
That's a huge point, I think for a lot of people.
But I was actually insulted by that whole press conference
because it just presupposed that I've learned nothing over the
last five years, let alone the last one.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Okay, so here's here's another angle on this. Uh and
and a lot of you know, I tweeted this out
a week or two ago, and and a lot of
people kind of said, yep, I agree if you want
to get into a nefarious explanation, as if we aren't
already nefarious enough, so let's go full on conspiracy, because
(36:59):
why not if you were intending to decap President Trump,
you might want to deploy a strategy that he would
endorse naively, but which would split off a big part
(37:20):
of his base. Let's call him the Kennedy voters. Because
that's exactly what happened. If that had been the intention,
they couldn't have done it any better, and it resulted
in a you know, the whole Make America Healthy Again
cohort questioning having buyer's regret, and that's still unresolved, and
(37:42):
and you know, it's it's a fault. There's some fundamental
fault lines in how the new administration is being set up.
If you think about it. Bobby wants more regulation in
drugs and vaccines and USDA health supplements and UH environmental
(38:04):
toxins and additives, et cetera. Elon wants less regulation. Doge
is all about streamlining and cutting regulation, and Trump is
about cutting regulation. So that's one of the key fault
lines here, and I don't know how it's gonna get resolved,
and it's gonna we're gonna kind of see that. We're
(38:25):
gonna get a pre read about how this is gonna
play as we look at the second tier appointments that
are gonna come down in HHS, the ones that aren't
necessarily going to require congressional approval. If they keep Peter
Marx in as head of Sieber. Peter Marx together with
Bob Cadillac at ASPER in the first Trump administration being
(38:48):
the originators of Operation Warp Speed and Marx sitting as
head of Center for Biologic Evaluation and Research within the FDA,
is you know, being a major defense. He's basically block
and tackled in all kinds of ways for the m
R and A products, denying the DNA contamination problem and
(39:10):
the consequences, et cetera. If Peter Marks remains in there,
that's a clear indication that Trump at all are going
to continue to push ows. So we're going to have
some real downstream data points that we can use to
kind of infer where things are going. And remember Trump
(39:32):
is as transformational as he's being, He's a one term president.
He's a named duck already. So is jd Vance, you know,
going to be the successor? Or who is and what's
going to come down? I know that I'm confident that
the political reality the next time we have a presidential
(39:54):
election is going to be radically different from the current.
I think the midterm landscape is going to be radically different. Yes,
I think that's the one thing we can count on.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yes, yes, indeed, the uh Well, I have heard from
folks and interviewed a few folks who offline told me,
and this was a year and a half ago, that
teams were assembled, lawyers were assembled, they were getting things
ready to go on day one, and that Trump has
much better people around him than he did the first time.
(40:24):
Now that was a general, a general statement, but you know,
I'm hoping that's true. And it's an interesting The whole
AI thing terrifies me with the transhuman element attached it.
It just doesn't make sense to me, because there are
worse things than dying in my mind, if you know
where you're going, certainly that's the case. I don't understand
(40:49):
the ego that it would take for me, This.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Is deeply narcissistic. Yes, yes, just to explore, just for
a moment, the imagine a world in which, because we're
kind of already living in it, a world in which
you have a hyper wealthy elite that is able to
extend their life span to one hundred and twenty years
(41:14):
something like that. Okay, what they will do is we've
seen with Bill Gates and these other oligarchs, is they
will accumulate resources to a shocking extent because they'll have
the benefit of time, plus they're accumulated resources that they
(41:36):
have already, So you'll end up with a world in
which you'll have kind of the dispossessed youth and useless eaters,
the average Joe, and then you'll have this hyper wealthy,
extremely long life span oligarchy that will act as a
(41:57):
predatory cast, much as we've seen happen with the wef
think Klaus Schwab. Plus he's got another four years tacked
on the end of his lifespan. So there's a reason
why in a natural world we have renewal. The birth
and death cycle is necessary to enable change and adaptation
(42:23):
and innovation and all those kinds of things. These folks,
just like we've seen as there, you know, this is
we're basically living in a world dominated still by the
first wave of the Baby boom and their biases, their wealth,
their interests, and you know, as they say, it's Bill
(42:47):
Gates world. We're just living in it. That future, and
it whether or not we transition to some machine intelligence
next version of human evolution, that kind of a world
will destroy the human race in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, indeed, for sure that all sounds fascinating and terrifying,
doctor Malone. But I appreciate you being with us today
to help us walk that out and give us some
context behind the behind the facade. You know, that's what
that's what we face every day, and if nothing else,
(43:28):
over the last five years, I think a lot more
people are learning to seek the facade right, to find
the agenda behind things like Stargate. Yeah, and I can't
thank you enough for being with us today, and hope
you'll come back soon, and until then, godspeed and have
a good one. Okay, Well, that all seemed terrible. Look, guys,
(43:55):
lots of great things happening as well, But this is
all part of it.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Just because someone we liked won an election doesn't mean
there aren't going to be any issues that's how we
got here. Too many people voted for a letter behind
a name or a name that was familiar, and then
checked out and held no one accountable and didn't hold
(44:21):
them to their oath. That's how we got here. So
we have to dive into stuff like this and learn
to see the facade. And there are a few ways
to do that. I think doctor Malone highlighted them, follow
the money and follow the agenda. At a lot of
(44:42):
times those are the same thing. But this transhumanism stuff
is fu bar big time. So we'll continue to be aware.
We'll continue to face these things head on, learn about them,
learn to articulate the position, and defend our position. That's
(45:07):
just how we're going to have to roll if we're
going to stop the bleeding. I don't even need more
than that. Anything more than that is a bonus. But
we need to stop the bleeding, and then we need
to teach our younger generations perhaps how to turn things around. Okay,
(45:28):
I want to thank everyone for listening today. Thank you
as always to magic Man Joe Stregger. Until next time,
who will stand at either hand and keep the bridge
with me, Have a great day.
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