March 21, 2025 • 39 mins
Edward Bartlett, the president of DAVIA, joins us for a thought-provoking conversation that challenges conventional wisdom on domestic violence. We scrutinize the gender-neutral mission of his organization and question prevailing stereotypes that paint men as the primary aggressors. Through our exploration, we examine how feminist rhetoric might have inadvertently encouraged violence against men, and we trace the roots of these narratives back to influential legislation like the 1994 Violence Against Women Act.
Our discussion takes a deeper dive into the effects of feminist and Marxist ideologies on society, particularly concerning traditional family structures and the mental health crisis among young white females. Alarmingly, 56% of this demographic has been diagnosed with mental health conditions, prompting us to examine the narratives they are faced with. We redefine feminism as embracing one's identity while distinguishing between equal rights and uniform outcomes. Contrary to popular belief, CDC data reveals the significant number of male victims of domestic violence, urging listeners to reconsider commonly held misconceptions.
Finally, we explore the global impact of Marxist ideology and how it's influenced gender politics and cultural norms. While examining the polarizing effects of labeling, we express optimism for movements in the US aimed at combating discriminatory practices. In partnership with the International Council for Men and Boys, DAVIA is at the forefront of raising awareness on these issues, and we encourage our listeners to support these vital causes through resources like www.menandboys.net
Our discussion takes a deeper dive into the effects of feminist and Marxist ideologies on society, particularly concerning traditional family structures and the mental health crisis among young white females. Alarmingly, 56% of this demographic has been diagnosed with mental health conditions, prompting us to examine the narratives they are faced with. We redefine feminism as embracing one's identity while distinguishing between equal rights and uniform outcomes. Contrary to popular belief, CDC data reveals the significant number of male victims of domestic violence, urging listeners to reconsider commonly held misconceptions.
Finally, we explore the global impact of Marxist ideology and how it's influenced gender politics and cultural norms. While examining the polarizing effects of labeling, we express optimism for movements in the US aimed at combating discriminatory practices. In partnership with the International Council for Men and Boys, DAVIA is at the forefront of raising awareness on these issues, and we encourage our listeners to support these vital causes through resources like www.menandboys.net
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everybody, and welcome to Everything's Political. I'm your host,
Taya Shoemake. You can also find us online at Everything's
Political dot substack dot com. Shout out to Magicman Joe Strecker,
the Bruce Willis of podcast producers.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Nobody likes you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Everybody hates you.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You gonna lose smile cough men.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I love his movies. Bruce Willis was born on this
day in nineteen fifty five. He is seventy years old.
A fellow Pisces.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Could I love him anymore?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And when I think of Bruce Willis, you know, I
think of others like Tom Selleck or Sam Elliott and
just men that evoke awesome traits. Right, we're gonna talk
a little bit about this today. Masculine traits are not
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like those men I just mentioned. It's nothing that they
do in their movies, the action or the guns or
the fighting or any of that. It's a quiet strength,
the quiet comfortableness in one's own skin.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That's what they evoke.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Masculine traits are not toxic naturally now the way some
men use them. Sure, you could slap that label on it,
I guess, but I could say the same thing about women.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Aren't we all about equity here, Joe.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Or is that really just a ruse, a political ruse.
That's a rhetorical question. So let's do this little tit
for tat no pun intended. We could say the same
thing about this toxic femininity, way too much of it
running this country. And because of the imbalance we have
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a situation here. Western civilization is in peril on many
fronts our female trade. It's toxic generally in nature.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
No, of course not.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
We need them.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Society cannot survive without them. It's the way they're used
that is absolutely toxic. So keep that in mind when
someone says toxic masculinity bull crap, that's just feminism's ruse
to keep men down and edify women. And look, that's
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the lie. There are several lies women bought into. And
the lie is that we have to tear down our
men in order to edify women. That's a lie, and
we're going to get into that today with our guest.
I can't wait to talk to him about it, and
hopefully he'll help us assess the imbalance of male versus
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female energy. Why we're not working together and supplementing we
don't have to replace men with women. We can't do it.
Society cannot survive without that either. So let's talk to
him and Bruce take us out into this interview.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Will you be.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Same with us?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Today is Edward Bartlett.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
He is the president of DAVIA, Domestic Abuse and Violence
International Alliance, and ed thank you so much for being
here this morning.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, it is my pleasure to you, and yeah, I've
been looking forward to our discussion.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Tell us about the mission of DAVIA first.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So the first piece of information here is that there
have been hundreds, literally hundreds and hundreds of studies on
domestic violence and who is the perpetrator, who's the victim?
If I told you that those studies consistently around the
world show that this is an equal opportunity problem. Men
are just as likely as women to be victims of
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domestic violence. So our mission, the mission of the Domestic
Abuse and Violence International Alliance is that I'll just be
very candid with you. This has become a point in
the culture wars because feminists used this issue consistently to
stereotype and i'll say, vilify men as abusers. Not just
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in this country, this is a global problem. So the
domestic use of violence International Alliance. We have one hundred
and eighty members member organizations and sixty sixty eight countries
around the world, so we are very active. I'm sorry,
I meant to say thirty eight countries around the world,
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so we're very active internationally. We also do connect with
the Unitedations as well. Well.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
We certainly need it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
This has been such a long time and just FYI,
I escaped feminism by the hair of my chinny chin chin,
by the grace of God. I should say, I've never
understood this manic pendulum shift, and I don't know when
it started. Maybe a good a question. A better question
to you is when did Davia form and when did
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you all notice that the pendulum was shifting to the
dysfunctional side.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, we have been noticing this misrepresentation of the truth
literally going back since nineteen ninety four. That's the year
that the US Violence Against Women Act was enacted at
the behest of our good friend Joe Biden, who was
at that time was a Senator and he was the
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champion on the Violence Against Women Act. So obviously, just
by the name itself, that tells you something about the bias,
and it's created a narrative it's become a very powerful narrative.
The narrative plays on people's emotions very powerfully. So Davia
was established three years ago to address this problem on
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a global basis.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So what we said in the beginning, as I intro
the interview, you know, I believe there are no toxic
traits from men or women, rather how we use them,
and it is inequitable.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I love the way you put that, because.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
For every time I hear, oh, that's toxic masculinity, I
can say the same thing for femininity. I can say
there are toxic feminine traits that are being used in
that manner. And so I agree that the narrative has
shaped our bias when we see a news story to
put the blame on the men. And what shocks me
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is that there is this feminist death wish complex. Can
you enlighten us a little bit about that?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, absolutely yes, And that's actually the title of the
press release we put out earlier this week. It's the
full title is kill All Men, Revealing the Feminist death
wish Complex. So, of course feminists present themselves as being peaceful.
You know, we're promoting you know, good, only good things,
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you know, on and on and on. But when you
begin to scratch the surface, you begin to realize it's
not just that feminism is promoting an abortion on demand
around the world. The problems and the concerned with feminism
go much much deeper, and this is just one example
of those. So the press release was designed to educate
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and alert people around the world that the feminist ideology
for years has been saying we need to kill all men.
And they don't say that in a joking or a
euphemistic way. Unfortunately, they really mean it. I'll just I'll
just give one example. In the United States, the former
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deputy editor of huff Posts, Emily McCombs. This was one
of her tweets for New Year's Day resolutions. Quote cultivate
female friendships number two, band together to kill all men.
End quote. So you see these were exact words cropping
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up over and over again. And if I may, I'll
give you just one more example. This is from a
law professor. Her name is Mary Ann Franks. She teaches
at George Washington University in Washington, d c. Quote. Get
ready for this quote. Society would be better off as
a whole if more women were willing to engage in
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justified violence against men. To that end, women's justified violence
against men should be encouraged and publicized. End quote.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
So they would like to legalize violence.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I mean, it's so turned around. It's difficult to wrap
my head around the proclivity. And it's really indicative of
the leftist political ideology. If you don't agree with me,
I have the right to violence, where we see that everywhere.
I'm a classical liberal in nature, right, I go back
to the founding values and principles. But this just seems
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to be mental illness, and I'm trying to find the
origin of the narrative. Certainly the nineteen ninety four the
Act that you mentioned from Joe Biden, that had a
lot to do with it, but I think it starts
earlier than that. So what are some of the things
that we can do?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Sure, first of all, I'll share with you I have
that same sense of is this really happening? Is this
really possible to be happening in the United States of
America or elsewhere in the globe. I shared that sense
of disbelief. But yes, you know, everything in this press
release has been referenced to links and so forth. I
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think the key point to emphasize here feminism is based
on neo Marxist ideology. Anybody who's read about Marxism, you
know that this has been a disastrous ideology anywhere it's
been implemented. It's been said that one hundred million people
died at the hands of Marxist communist socialist ideology. We're
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talking about unparalleled social calamities, human rights disasters. Again, it's
totally mind boggling. So when we realize that feminism is
based on neo Marxist ideology, and I can explain why
if you want to go down that road, but bottom
line is, when you look at the history of Marxism
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in the past, you know, one hundred plus years, and
you see how disastrous and harmful it's been. In a way,
it is no surprise to now hear that feminists are
sort of talking the same destruct using the same destructive language,
devisive strategies to polarize male and female, to break up
the nuclear family, on and on a ghost.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I think we just answered part of the question is
part of what we can do is a better education system.
And boy, that's a whole other you know, topic, a
big umbrella. But people don't recognize the Marxism and they
don't recognize it because we're not taught Marxism in school.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I was taught.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I wasn't taught Marxism until college. And I think we
need to start a lot earlier than that. So part
of the solution is, in my opinion, could be, Hey,
we need to set examples, whether it's I mean, you
can start with animal Farm, that's an eighth grade book.
Let's start there, and you know, and then it just
keeps getting better. But so toward that end, could you
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inform us please on the Marxist origins of feminism.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, certainly so. Karl Marx himself said, and these are
almost exact words. The nuclear family is oppressive to women.
Think about that. And so is it any surprise that
feminists have been pushing, for example, the transgender agenda, have
been pushing for no fault divorce, have been you know put,
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I mean in so many different ways almost you know,
it's just an amazing way array the strategies to make
marriage and the family a less and less appealing lifestyle
options to too many Americans. So it's no surprise that
marriage rates have fallen in the US and globally, it's
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no surprise that fertility rates in particular have plummeted in
the last twenty thirty years in the US and internationally.
I mean, you probably know the replacement rate, which is
the number of children per mother or per woman you
need to have to just maintain a stable population, is
two point one, right, which makes sense, of course. So
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the United States, last I looked, we are at one
point six, so we're already caught in a downward spiral.
But who's talking about this fact that our civilization is
kind of disappearing before our very eyes. Who's say, I mean,
nobody's talking about this like it's a crisis. I think
it's a crisis that you know, our numbers are disappearing
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before us. So this is just one outgrowth of this
ideology that you know, the family is an oppressive institution
to women. So I hope I haven't gone off too
much on a tangent here because there's so much this
is such a rich topic of discussion, But yes, this
is clearly rooted in Marxist ideology. There's a book titled
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Read Feminism, Read Feminism, which I've read, written by a feminist.
I'll add that detailed description of the history from feminism
and showing how this is again based on Marxist ideology.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Again I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I grew up in a fairly large Italian family, and
I remember being in second or third grade. The teacher
went around the room and asked what everybody wanted to be?
Okay and astronaut, doctor, so lots of great answers.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
She got to me and I said I want to
be a mother, and the words weren't out of my mouth,
and she said, well, I think we can do better
than that.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I didn't articulate at this at the time because I
was very, very young, But in hindsight, what I was
thinking is not in my family. I don't know where
you came from, sweetie, but in my family, the moms
are edified, and we don't have to tear down our
men in order to edify women. That's the lie that
is given.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm going to show you a book. I don't know
if you can see it on the camera. Yes, this
is titled End to the End of Women, How smashing
the patriarchy has destroyed us. This is written by a
woman named Carrie Gress g r. E. S s. It's
a very powerful book because she basically making the point
that you just said is that feminism has driven women
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away from their biological and from their call it their
biological and social identity to fulfill this Marxist you know,
this Marxist stereotype or Marxist dream. And I think you
mentioned just a couple of minutes ago about mental you know,
is this mental illness? And the answer is yes, And
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we know that scientifically. There is actually a study done
by the Pew Research Group and asked people, have you
been told by a healthcare provider that you have a
mental condition? All right? And ask to all ages and
races and so forth. Well, guess which group had fifty
six percent answered yes to that question? It was young
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white females. Young white females, fifty six percent answered yes
to that question. Whereas if you look at all the
other demographic groups, whether by conservative, by age, by sex,
all the other groups were substance substantially lower than that
fifty six percent. So we really need to start scratching
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our heads about what does it say when fifty six
percent of our young female population, of course they identify
as feminists. What does that say about, you know, colleges?
What does that say about our society, and you know
why why people seek some people have a lot of trouble,
you know, having a having a thoughtful logical discussion like
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we're having right now.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, that would mean you would you would have to
have some level of comfort within yourself, right.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I mean feminism to me, and I've.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I've been on this crusade to change the definition of
that term because that's what the left does so their
terms are acceptable.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm going to change the definition.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Feminism to me is when a woman is fully comfortable
in their own skin for everything they are and everything
they're not. Right in biblical terms, and men we would
call it meek, that quiet strength, that quiet confidence, and
yet can step outside to defend if they need to defend,
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provide when they need to provide, et cetera. Right, those
are those are the roles that built Western civilization. It's
and guess what that's okay, And I'm sure it's in
the minority. And you might know this the percentages. Some
people will say, but what about all the male abusers
that do use their traits in a negative way, And
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your numbers are saying that's really not the minority.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Would that be accurate?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Actually, the Centers for Disease Control, which does very good
surveys on this issue. They find that actually each year
there's slightly more male victims of physical domestic violence each
year than female victims. So yeah, I mean scientifically, this
is not an arguable point. It's just known and again
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not just the US, other countries as well. So we
do have a mental health crisis. We do have a
crisis of identity. And I ascribe a lot of this
to the Marxist vision. Again, so when you and I
say equality or gender equality, our thinking is equal rights, right,
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that's what the Fourteenth Amendment is about, equal rights. No,
the Marxist thinking is uniform outcomes. When they say gender equality,
the uniform outcome meaning you would have the same proportion
of male and female lawmakers. Now, they never talk about
male and female truck drivers, or male and female electricians,
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or male and female deep deep minors where you know,
which are very different, a very you know, like these
are often life threatening occupations. So they don't think they're
not thinking of that. But again that that's the Marxist mindset.
When you change the basic concept of gender equality into uniform.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Outcomes, and we do that with everything because you know
Marx is pervasive now, but again no one recognizes it. Interesting,
so let me ask you this, and in this equation
of solutions, what is your suggestion to men.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, that's a great question, and I think I have
a good answer for you. So I would have two
points of advice, especially to your male listeners. First of all,
be proud of your masculinity. That's God given, and you
know that's just inherently that's something good. The second point
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I would I would say, is more specific to the
point you're raising, is speak the truth and always speak
the truth. Don't be afraid to speak the truth. So
when I, for example, when we go to the United
Nations and meet with missions from different countries, we always
talk about the research shows domestic violence is an equal
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opportunity problem, and if you want, I'll show you all
the studies. Okay, so we're right up front about that.
We don't don't hide that. But let me if I
can go beyond that. And this is just very timely
because just last week we were in New York City,
we released a what we believe is a historic document
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called the Declaration for Men in book, the New York
Declaration for Men and Boys, let's call it. This is
the fulfillment of the Beijing Declaration. Do you remember that
Beijing Declaration that came out thirty years ago as a
cornerstone of women's rights, And I've read through it and
over and over again. It talks about gender equality. Right,
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so we know that in fact, men are lagging in
twelve different areas like education, lifespan partire treatment by the
legal system, homelessness, and the list goes on and on.
But those issues are simply for boting. They're simply it's
like they don't even exist. When you go to the
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United Nations or you go to a lot of different
in the US, the issues are just don't exist. So
we put together this is called the New York Declaration
for Men and Boys, which is designed as a fulfillment
of the Beijing Declaration that again talked repeatedly about gender equality.
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So this is the other side of gender equality that's
been ignored for the past thirty years. So to answer
your question a little bit more directly, we have this
this declaration. It's posted on the internet again, it's called
the New York Declaration for Men and Boys. It just
came out last week. We're publicizing it because we think
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this is historic. We think is this will change the narrative.
I'm sure you've heard, you know the phrase the men
have all the power oppressive patriarchy. Well, we have just
shown by facts and figures, by speaking the truth, there
is no sense thing as the patriarchy. I mean, if
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there really was a patriarchy, how is it they would
allow men to be dying five years earlier than women.
I mean, on and on and on. It's just nonsensical.
So this is sort of our latest development to address
this conundrum that we're facing.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That is fantastic New York Declaration of Men and Boys.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yes, and that's on. Is that on? You all have
a website.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
We actually have a partner organization called the International Council
for Men and Boys, and it's on the website of
the International Council for Men and Boys.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I will absolutely print that out and I'm sure I'll
have occasion to read it often. Let me ask you this,
how receptive is the UN to your efforts.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, we have had face meetings to this point with
I think twelve or fourteen missions, including countries in Africa
and Europe. And I'll tell you. The most interesting was
our meetings with the US Mission and the Russian mission,
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and we met with them, of course separate meetings, but
by coincidence on the same day. They were both very
receptive and really interested in what I'm telling you. Now,
we told to those staffers, both the US staffers and
the Russian staffers, and we were just we were I'll
be honest, we were blown away by the very positive response,
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but from other missions as well. So you know, we've
been asked to come back. And just last week we
were in New York again, I told you, and we
had meetings with the director of gender for a Caribbean
island called Antigua and Barbuda, and they were extremely interested
in what we were saying and saying, yes, we've been
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We've needed to have this kind of versations for a
good long time.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Wow, that's fantastic. I'm so grateful for you all. Well, look,
society's kind of like China's policy about no girls, right
we have to abort all the baby. Well they've seen
consequences for that right now. This maybe has taken a
little longer, but I feel like we're finally seeing the
consequences of the fact that we're not just not letting
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men be men, right, that's bad enough. That's denying them
the same rights that the feminists want. That's what's so
ironic about it is that the women are doing the
very thing of which they're accusing the men.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's Sawlensky on one. Whether they know that or not
is a different question.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Did you hear about the this is just the news
yesterday the hospital in New Jersey that after an infant
is delivered literally within hours, they go to the parents saying,
is your infant transgender? Is? I mean, this defies credibility
or believability, but this is actually happening in the New
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Jersey hospital. But I mentioned that now because this is
the transgender agenda is designed to separate children from their
own parents. And that's that's just a perfect example of
trying to basically condition the parents that think, oh, well,
maybe my five hour child is lesbian. Right, Really, that
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is the thinking.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
To your point, it defies logic and belief, absolutely nuts.
The you know you mentioned the LGBTQ. Ironically, an ancillary
effect of that is well to that book The End
of Women, you know, because now all of a sudden,
anybody can be a woman, And I've said that about
political things. But in the past, where if everybody's a Nazi,
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nobody's a Nazi. If everyone's a racist, nobody's right. I mean,
it's just it does It doesn't make any sense. And
so if anybody can be a woman, how degrading to
a woman is that? I mean, I take such offense
at that, because again we're equally different. But I wanted
to bring up there was a book by Nora Vincent,
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who was a lesbian who ended up going into spaces
with men, right bars, conventions, et cetera. She wrote a
book I can't remember the name of it, but at
the end of the day she came up with the
conclusion that, you know what, men aren't so bad. But
she went into it totally snowed and totally against men,
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and she's going to prove that men are just scoundrels
and they're out there on the prow and all of
this other stuff. And she came out at the end, Hey,
men aren't so bad, but women.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, So it's always.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Crazy any suggestions that as far as you know, I
talk about the political penna, even the cultural pendulum, it shifts. Unfortunately,
it never shifts to the middle or never. You know,
it always seems to be one or the other extreme.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
What is your outlook for this?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
So I follow these issues not just in the US,
but internationally, and I'll just mention in Britain, in the
United Kingdom, I'm seeing a growing polarization of the sexes.
More and more words like misogynists are being used, not
just sort of in private conversations, but are being used
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by government officials to say, we have an epidemic of misogyny.
But you read the so called report, No there's you know,
there may be a couple anecdotal examples, but of course
there's no widespread epidemic of misogyny. Some would say, but
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there isn't an epic epidemic of mass which of course
is the opposite. And since this press release we were
talking about a few minutes ago about kill all men,
kind of suggest well, is that pretty hateful for a
group of women to be advocating to kill all men?
So anyway, but the point I'm trying to make is
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in the short term, at least in some countries, I
am worried about a growing polarization and vilification of men.
And I see these very hurtful, really and unfair, you know,
just not scientifically based words being thrown out there as
if they're the the you know, the utter truth. So
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I don't know about the US. I'm far more optimistic
for the US, just because, as you know, DEI, diversity
equity inclusion programs have been banned in the federal government.
Of course, those programs are overtly discriminatory against white men,
and so I think we are seeing movement in the
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right direction overall in the US. You may have heard
jd Vance at the recent SEAPAC conference here at Washingfield
and Washington, d C. He spoke us specifically two men saying,
you know, young men, you know, don't be troubled by
these these negative stereotypes that are being floated out there.
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They're not fair. And he actually said, we're looking at
policy approaches to erectify this. So to answer your question,
I think it depends very much on the specific country,
and that's partly why we do these press releases to
sort of put out the other side of the story
that you know is not as widely publicized. But again,
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everything we say we document with citations and links URL links.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, I mean, at some point and I do, because
we have freedom of expression here, freedom.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Of speech, well you know all of that.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The backlash I think can be more immediate between you
and I.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
My listeners know this. I've been accused of being a misogynist.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Oh congratulations, even as a woman, right.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And it's just it's simply as a counteract to the
ridiculous nature of things going on. It's just like hard
to comprehend. But at some point there has to be
a backlash of not just men kind of defending themselves
speaking truth to your point, but women. I'm going to
defend the men in my life who I love, and
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I think that's a great thing, and I think that
can happen in this country. But I think the fact
that the most malign creatures nowadays, and I think this
is worldwide, is are the white males. I would contend,
although I don't have figures to back this up, that
second only to them would our stay at home moms.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I would say, if I could put this an international perspective,
I think if we were to go to Israel, we
would clearly see that there is this overt hostility of
between Hamas and Israelis, and and I would say it's
more than hostility, it's a vert hatred. And why is that? Well,
(32:15):
once again the Israel has been portrayed as the quote oppressors.
Does that sound like a familiar Marxist term, and the
and the people in hamas sort of pigeonholed as the oppressed.
So once again we see this Marxist duality being uh
uh promoted there in some countries, Christians are under a
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great deal of attack as well. But again Christians are
seen as the you know, as the oppressor ideology or
oppress or religion. Yeah, I know. So, so we're we're
facing a global Marxist ideology around the world, and it's
you know, it's all about divide and conquer.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, yes, I mean the fact that Christians go into
other countries and try to help, and yet they're the oppressors.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But because you know, history, the revisionist history tells us
something different.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
They seek out the right there sought out as the
bad guys.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But if I can go back to this New York
Declaration for Men and Boys that we released just last week,
we have found that our strongest supporters are women. Okay,
and well it's not just because women have you know, husbands,
and brothers and sons, and so I think it goes
beyond that. I think there's a sense of hey, we're
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all in this boat together, we sink or swim together,
and we have to reach out. And actually, I'm going
to read a quote for you know. We actually on
our website we have a couple of quotes. This is
from a woman named Lynn Crabtree who lives in England,
and i'll quote we hereby express our unequivocal support for
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the New York Declaration for Men and Boys and it's
mission to promote fairness, equity and justice for all. So
and there's been other very nice quotes like that. So
the point I'm making is we see this New York
Declaration for Men and Boys as a building block or
a bridge between the sexes because women so much identify
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with these principles. It is the it is the fulfillment
of the Beijing Declaration, and it's and we're affirming the
conceptive gender equality. We're just not going with the Marxist
idea Marxist vision of what gender equality is supposed to mean.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I think that's instructive just for our listeners. When you
see the the narrative go oppressor and victim, you know,
dive into that. Don't just believe what you hear, you know,
unearth the context behind it or under it, to make
sure what validity remains and what doesn't. Ed I could
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talk to you for three days, and I I so
appreciate what you guys are doing. And I think I
think more women than we know would agree with miss
Crabtree because it's consistent and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
In fact, that works.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, and I'd say it's not only okay, I'd say,
you know, viva la difidants. I mean, this is wonderful.
This is this is what brings spark to life and
makes life. You know, it just enriches our experience as
human means.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Edward Bartlett, I can't thank you enough for being with
us today.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
It's just been such a joy and pleasure. Davia.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
In the the can you give us the name of
the parent company again?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Sure? So that it's the Domestic Abuse and Violence International Alliance, DAVIA,
and our partner organization is the International Council for Men
and Boys. Web address www dot Menandboys dot net.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
That is easy enough. We will refer to that. We'll
put it on the website.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And we will drive as much traffic and promotion to
your cause and Dobby's cause as we possibly can.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Greatly appreciate it, and I really enjoyed the conversation as well.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I'm so excited that this group exists, Joe, I can't
tell you because this has been brewing for a long time.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I agree with him.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
It's a crisis, you know, in this in this culture
of logical fallacy speak, where we make these sweeping generalizations
that because one guy did something bad one day, I'm
you know, we all men suck. That's not true, and
we have done such a disservice to not just young men.
(37:02):
That's bad enough, because again we are I say women.
We they whatever the feminists are doing to the men,
what they think has been done to them. Now there
are outliers that everywhere. But the sweeping generalization crap has
got to stop because it is a crisis. Western civilization
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will end when men end. You may not like it,
you may wish it were different, but that's the truth.
And you guys have heard me say we need to
step in front of our men when they are attacked.
Now I don't like that either, because I think men
step up when any kind of attack occurs, but we
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need to help them do it, in my opinion, with
the men you love, and maybe with the men that
you don't, we've.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Got to stop this.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And it's pervasive, and to his point, it's just another
step of the cultural Marxism that has fractured society, but
it's ruined many a men. I mean, just look at
the Daniel Penny incident, Joe. He was protecting people, which
is a man's natural instinct against an aggressor. That's what
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a man does. Nothing wrong with that. You want to
look at the circumstances, fine, but Daniel Penny was not
the aggressor there. He was protecting others against an aggressor.
And every woman on that train was grateful. You know
what woman wasn't grateful the woman on the Pennsylvania train
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who was raped while men flipped out their fricking cameras
and videotaped it. Because guess what, that was the start
of the slippery slope? Ladies, are you going to jump
into that situation. I'd like to think I would have
tried something that I would have likely gotten hurt.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
But you know what, you.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Can't just sit there and watch that so very excited
for DAVIA again Domestic Abuse and Violence International Alliance, and
they're recently coined New York Declaration of Men and Boys.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I love it. Let's do that.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Let's allow men to be who they were created to be,
just like we want to be who we were created
to be.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Right, that's consistent. Okay, I'm going to stop there, because
I would just go on forever.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I want to thank you all for listening. Thank you
as always to magic Man Joe Strecker. Until next time,
who will stand at either hand and keep the bridge
with me?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Have a great day.
Hey everybody, and welcome to Everything's Political. I'm your host,
Taya Shoemake. You can also find us online at Everything's
Political dot substack dot com. Shout out to Magicman Joe Strecker,
the Bruce Willis of podcast producers.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Nobody likes you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Everybody hates you.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You gonna lose smile cough men.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I love his movies. Bruce Willis was born on this
day in nineteen fifty five. He is seventy years old.
A fellow Pisces.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Could I love him anymore?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And when I think of Bruce Willis, you know, I
think of others like Tom Selleck or Sam Elliott and
just men that evoke awesome traits. Right, we're gonna talk
a little bit about this today. Masculine traits are not
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like those men I just mentioned. It's nothing that they
do in their movies, the action or the guns or
the fighting or any of that. It's a quiet strength,
the quiet comfortableness in one's own skin.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That's what they evoke.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Masculine traits are not toxic naturally now the way some
men use them. Sure, you could slap that label on it,
I guess, but I could say the same thing about women.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Aren't we all about equity here, Joe.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Or is that really just a ruse, a political ruse.
That's a rhetorical question. So let's do this little tit
for tat no pun intended. We could say the same
thing about this toxic femininity, way too much of it
running this country. And because of the imbalance we have
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a situation here. Western civilization is in peril on many
fronts our female trade. It's toxic generally in nature.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
No, of course not.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
We need them.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Society cannot survive without them. It's the way they're used
that is absolutely toxic. So keep that in mind when
someone says toxic masculinity bull crap, that's just feminism's ruse
to keep men down and edify women. And look, that's
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the lie. There are several lies women bought into. And
the lie is that we have to tear down our
men in order to edify women. That's a lie, and
we're going to get into that today with our guest.
I can't wait to talk to him about it, and
hopefully he'll help us assess the imbalance of male versus
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female energy. Why we're not working together and supplementing we
don't have to replace men with women. We can't do it.
Society cannot survive without that either. So let's talk to
him and Bruce take us out into this interview.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Will you be.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Same with us?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Today is Edward Bartlett.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
He is the president of DAVIA, Domestic Abuse and Violence
International Alliance, and ed thank you so much for being
here this morning.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, it is my pleasure to you, and yeah, I've
been looking forward to our discussion.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Tell us about the mission of DAVIA first.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So the first piece of information here is that there
have been hundreds, literally hundreds and hundreds of studies on
domestic violence and who is the perpetrator, who's the victim?
If I told you that those studies consistently around the
world show that this is an equal opportunity problem. Men
are just as likely as women to be victims of
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domestic violence. So our mission, the mission of the Domestic
Abuse and Violence International Alliance is that I'll just be
very candid with you. This has become a point in
the culture wars because feminists used this issue consistently to
stereotype and i'll say, vilify men as abusers. Not just
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in this country, this is a global problem. So the
domestic use of violence International Alliance. We have one hundred
and eighty members member organizations and sixty sixty eight countries
around the world, so we are very active. I'm sorry,
I meant to say thirty eight countries around the world,
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so we're very active internationally. We also do connect with
the Unitedations as well. Well.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
We certainly need it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
This has been such a long time and just FYI,
I escaped feminism by the hair of my chinny chin chin,
by the grace of God. I should say, I've never
understood this manic pendulum shift, and I don't know when
it started. Maybe a good a question. A better question
to you is when did Davia form and when did
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you all notice that the pendulum was shifting to the
dysfunctional side.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, we have been noticing this misrepresentation of the truth
literally going back since nineteen ninety four. That's the year
that the US Violence Against Women Act was enacted at
the behest of our good friend Joe Biden, who was
at that time was a Senator and he was the
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champion on the Violence Against Women Act. So obviously, just
by the name itself, that tells you something about the bias,
and it's created a narrative it's become a very powerful narrative.
The narrative plays on people's emotions very powerfully. So Davia
was established three years ago to address this problem on
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a global basis.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So what we said in the beginning, as I intro
the interview, you know, I believe there are no toxic
traits from men or women, rather how we use them,
and it is inequitable.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I love the way you put that, because.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
For every time I hear, oh, that's toxic masculinity, I
can say the same thing for femininity. I can say
there are toxic feminine traits that are being used in
that manner. And so I agree that the narrative has
shaped our bias when we see a news story to
put the blame on the men. And what shocks me
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is that there is this feminist death wish complex. Can
you enlighten us a little bit about that?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well, absolutely yes, And that's actually the title of the
press release we put out earlier this week. It's the
full title is kill All Men, Revealing the Feminist death
wish Complex. So, of course feminists present themselves as being peaceful.
You know, we're promoting you know, good, only good things,
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you know, on and on and on. But when you
begin to scratch the surface, you begin to realize it's
not just that feminism is promoting an abortion on demand
around the world. The problems and the concerned with feminism
go much much deeper, and this is just one example
of those. So the press release was designed to educate
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and alert people around the world that the feminist ideology
for years has been saying we need to kill all men.
And they don't say that in a joking or a
euphemistic way. Unfortunately, they really mean it. I'll just I'll
just give one example. In the United States, the former
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deputy editor of huff Posts, Emily McCombs. This was one
of her tweets for New Year's Day resolutions. Quote cultivate
female friendships number two, band together to kill all men.
End quote. So you see these were exact words cropping
(08:27):
up over and over again. And if I may, I'll
give you just one more example. This is from a
law professor. Her name is Mary Ann Franks. She teaches
at George Washington University in Washington, d c. Quote. Get
ready for this quote. Society would be better off as
a whole if more women were willing to engage in
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justified violence against men. To that end, women's justified violence
against men should be encouraged and publicized. End quote.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
So they would like to legalize violence.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I mean, it's so turned around. It's difficult to wrap
my head around the proclivity. And it's really indicative of
the leftist political ideology. If you don't agree with me,
I have the right to violence, where we see that everywhere.
I'm a classical liberal in nature, right, I go back
to the founding values and principles. But this just seems
(09:29):
to be mental illness, and I'm trying to find the
origin of the narrative. Certainly the nineteen ninety four the
Act that you mentioned from Joe Biden, that had a
lot to do with it, but I think it starts
earlier than that. So what are some of the things
that we can do?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Sure, first of all, I'll share with you I have
that same sense of is this really happening? Is this
really possible to be happening in the United States of
America or elsewhere in the globe. I shared that sense
of disbelief. But yes, you know, everything in this press
release has been referenced to links and so forth. I
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think the key point to emphasize here feminism is based
on neo Marxist ideology. Anybody who's read about Marxism, you
know that this has been a disastrous ideology anywhere it's
been implemented. It's been said that one hundred million people
died at the hands of Marxist communist socialist ideology. We're
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talking about unparalleled social calamities, human rights disasters. Again, it's
totally mind boggling. So when we realize that feminism is
based on neo Marxist ideology, and I can explain why
if you want to go down that road, but bottom
line is, when you look at the history of Marxism
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in the past, you know, one hundred plus years, and
you see how disastrous and harmful it's been. In a way,
it is no surprise to now hear that feminists are
sort of talking the same destruct using the same destructive language,
devisive strategies to polarize male and female, to break up
the nuclear family, on and on a ghost.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I think we just answered part of the question is
part of what we can do is a better education system.
And boy, that's a whole other you know, topic, a
big umbrella. But people don't recognize the Marxism and they
don't recognize it because we're not taught Marxism in school.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I was taught.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I wasn't taught Marxism until college. And I think we
need to start a lot earlier than that. So part
of the solution is, in my opinion, could be, Hey,
we need to set examples, whether it's I mean, you
can start with animal Farm, that's an eighth grade book.
Let's start there, and you know, and then it just
keeps getting better. But so toward that end, could you
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inform us please on the Marxist origins of feminism.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, certainly so. Karl Marx himself said, and these are
almost exact words. The nuclear family is oppressive to women.
Think about that. And so is it any surprise that
feminists have been pushing, for example, the transgender agenda, have
been pushing for no fault divorce, have been you know put,
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I mean in so many different ways almost you know,
it's just an amazing way array the strategies to make
marriage and the family a less and less appealing lifestyle
options to too many Americans. So it's no surprise that
marriage rates have fallen in the US and globally, it's
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no surprise that fertility rates in particular have plummeted in
the last twenty thirty years in the US and internationally.
I mean, you probably know the replacement rate, which is
the number of children per mother or per woman you
need to have to just maintain a stable population, is
two point one, right, which makes sense, of course. So
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the United States, last I looked, we are at one
point six, so we're already caught in a downward spiral.
But who's talking about this fact that our civilization is
kind of disappearing before our very eyes. Who's say, I mean,
nobody's talking about this like it's a crisis. I think
it's a crisis that you know, our numbers are disappearing
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before us. So this is just one outgrowth of this
ideology that you know, the family is an oppressive institution
to women. So I hope I haven't gone off too
much on a tangent here because there's so much this
is such a rich topic of discussion, But yes, this
is clearly rooted in Marxist ideology. There's a book titled
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Read Feminism, Read Feminism, which I've read, written by a feminist.
I'll add that detailed description of the history from feminism
and showing how this is again based on Marxist ideology.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Again I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I grew up in a fairly large Italian family, and
I remember being in second or third grade. The teacher
went around the room and asked what everybody wanted to be?
Okay and astronaut, doctor, so lots of great answers.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
She got to me and I said I want to
be a mother, and the words weren't out of my mouth,
and she said, well, I think we can do better
than that.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I didn't articulate at this at the time because I
was very, very young, But in hindsight, what I was
thinking is not in my family. I don't know where
you came from, sweetie, but in my family, the moms
are edified, and we don't have to tear down our
men in order to edify women. That's the lie that
is given.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm going to show you a book. I don't know
if you can see it on the camera. Yes, this
is titled End to the End of Women, How smashing
the patriarchy has destroyed us. This is written by a
woman named Carrie Gress g r. E. S s. It's
a very powerful book because she basically making the point
that you just said is that feminism has driven women
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away from their biological and from their call it their
biological and social identity to fulfill this Marxist you know,
this Marxist stereotype or Marxist dream. And I think you
mentioned just a couple of minutes ago about mental you know,
is this mental illness? And the answer is yes, And
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we know that scientifically. There is actually a study done
by the Pew Research Group and asked people, have you
been told by a healthcare provider that you have a
mental condition? All right? And ask to all ages and
races and so forth. Well, guess which group had fifty
six percent answered yes to that question? It was young
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white females. Young white females, fifty six percent answered yes
to that question. Whereas if you look at all the
other demographic groups, whether by conservative, by age, by sex,
all the other groups were substance substantially lower than that
fifty six percent. So we really need to start scratching
(16:47):
our heads about what does it say when fifty six
percent of our young female population, of course they identify
as feminists. What does that say about, you know, colleges?
What does that say about our society, and you know
why why people seek some people have a lot of trouble,
you know, having a having a thoughtful logical discussion like
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we're having right now.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, that would mean you would you would have to
have some level of comfort within yourself, right.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I mean feminism to me, and I've.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I've been on this crusade to change the definition of
that term because that's what the left does so their
terms are acceptable.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm going to change the definition.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Feminism to me is when a woman is fully comfortable
in their own skin for everything they are and everything
they're not. Right in biblical terms, and men we would
call it meek, that quiet strength, that quiet confidence, and
yet can step outside to defend if they need to defend,
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provide when they need to provide, et cetera. Right, those
are those are the roles that built Western civilization. It's
and guess what that's okay, And I'm sure it's in
the minority. And you might know this the percentages. Some
people will say, but what about all the male abusers
that do use their traits in a negative way, And
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your numbers are saying that's really not the minority.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Would that be accurate?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Actually, the Centers for Disease Control, which does very good
surveys on this issue. They find that actually each year
there's slightly more male victims of physical domestic violence each
year than female victims. So yeah, I mean scientifically, this
is not an arguable point. It's just known and again
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not just the US, other countries as well. So we
do have a mental health crisis. We do have a
crisis of identity. And I ascribe a lot of this
to the Marxist vision. Again, so when you and I
say equality or gender equality, our thinking is equal rights, right,
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that's what the Fourteenth Amendment is about, equal rights. No,
the Marxist thinking is uniform outcomes. When they say gender equality,
the uniform outcome meaning you would have the same proportion
of male and female lawmakers. Now, they never talk about
male and female truck drivers, or male and female electricians,
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or male and female deep deep minors where you know,
which are very different, a very you know, like these
are often life threatening occupations. So they don't think they're
not thinking of that. But again that that's the Marxist mindset.
When you change the basic concept of gender equality into uniform.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Outcomes, and we do that with everything because you know
Marx is pervasive now, but again no one recognizes it. Interesting,
so let me ask you this, and in this equation
of solutions, what is your suggestion to men.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, that's a great question, and I think I have
a good answer for you. So I would have two
points of advice, especially to your male listeners. First of all,
be proud of your masculinity. That's God given, and you
know that's just inherently that's something good. The second point
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I would I would say, is more specific to the
point you're raising, is speak the truth and always speak
the truth. Don't be afraid to speak the truth. So
when I, for example, when we go to the United
Nations and meet with missions from different countries, we always
talk about the research shows domestic violence is an equal
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opportunity problem, and if you want, I'll show you all
the studies. Okay, so we're right up front about that.
We don't don't hide that. But let me if I
can go beyond that. And this is just very timely
because just last week we were in New York City,
we released a what we believe is a historic document
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called the Declaration for Men in book, the New York
Declaration for Men and Boys, let's call it. This is
the fulfillment of the Beijing Declaration. Do you remember that
Beijing Declaration that came out thirty years ago as a
cornerstone of women's rights, And I've read through it and
over and over again. It talks about gender equality. Right,
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so we know that in fact, men are lagging in
twelve different areas like education, lifespan partire treatment by the
legal system, homelessness, and the list goes on and on.
But those issues are simply for boting. They're simply it's
like they don't even exist. When you go to the
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United Nations or you go to a lot of different
in the US, the issues are just don't exist. So
we put together this is called the New York Declaration
for Men and Boys, which is designed as a fulfillment
of the Beijing Declaration that again talked repeatedly about gender equality.
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So this is the other side of gender equality that's
been ignored for the past thirty years. So to answer
your question a little bit more directly, we have this
this declaration. It's posted on the internet again, it's called
the New York Declaration for Men and Boys. It just
came out last week. We're publicizing it because we think
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this is historic. We think is this will change the narrative.
I'm sure you've heard, you know the phrase the men
have all the power oppressive patriarchy. Well, we have just
shown by facts and figures, by speaking the truth, there
is no sense thing as the patriarchy. I mean, if
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there really was a patriarchy, how is it they would
allow men to be dying five years earlier than women.
I mean, on and on and on. It's just nonsensical.
So this is sort of our latest development to address
this conundrum that we're facing.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
That is fantastic New York Declaration of Men and Boys.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yes, and that's on. Is that on? You all have
a website.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
We actually have a partner organization called the International Council
for Men and Boys, and it's on the website of
the International Council for Men and Boys.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I will absolutely print that out and I'm sure I'll
have occasion to read it often. Let me ask you this,
how receptive is the UN to your efforts.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, we have had face meetings to this point with
I think twelve or fourteen missions, including countries in Africa
and Europe. And I'll tell you. The most interesting was
our meetings with the US Mission and the Russian mission,
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and we met with them, of course separate meetings, but
by coincidence on the same day. They were both very
receptive and really interested in what I'm telling you. Now,
we told to those staffers, both the US staffers and
the Russian staffers, and we were just we were I'll
be honest, we were blown away by the very positive response,
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but from other missions as well. So you know, we've
been asked to come back. And just last week we
were in New York again, I told you, and we
had meetings with the director of gender for a Caribbean
island called Antigua and Barbuda, and they were extremely interested
in what we were saying and saying, yes, we've been
(24:58):
We've needed to have this kind of versations for a
good long time.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Wow, that's fantastic. I'm so grateful for you all. Well, look,
society's kind of like China's policy about no girls, right
we have to abort all the baby. Well they've seen
consequences for that right now. This maybe has taken a
little longer, but I feel like we're finally seeing the
consequences of the fact that we're not just not letting
(25:26):
men be men, right, that's bad enough. That's denying them
the same rights that the feminists want. That's what's so
ironic about it is that the women are doing the
very thing of which they're accusing the men.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's Sawlensky on one. Whether they know that or not
is a different question.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Did you hear about the this is just the news
yesterday the hospital in New Jersey that after an infant
is delivered literally within hours, they go to the parents saying,
is your infant transgender? Is? I mean, this defies credibility
or believability, but this is actually happening in the New
(26:05):
Jersey hospital. But I mentioned that now because this is
the transgender agenda is designed to separate children from their
own parents. And that's that's just a perfect example of
trying to basically condition the parents that think, oh, well,
maybe my five hour child is lesbian. Right, Really, that
(26:29):
is the thinking.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
To your point, it defies logic and belief, absolutely nuts.
The you know you mentioned the LGBTQ. Ironically, an ancillary
effect of that is well to that book The End
of Women, you know, because now all of a sudden,
anybody can be a woman, And I've said that about
political things. But in the past, where if everybody's a Nazi,
(26:54):
nobody's a Nazi. If everyone's a racist, nobody's right. I mean,
it's just it does It doesn't make any sense. And
so if anybody can be a woman, how degrading to
a woman is that? I mean, I take such offense
at that, because again we're equally different. But I wanted
to bring up there was a book by Nora Vincent,
(27:15):
who was a lesbian who ended up going into spaces
with men, right bars, conventions, et cetera. She wrote a
book I can't remember the name of it, but at
the end of the day she came up with the
conclusion that, you know what, men aren't so bad. But
she went into it totally snowed and totally against men,
(27:40):
and she's going to prove that men are just scoundrels
and they're out there on the prow and all of
this other stuff. And she came out at the end, Hey,
men aren't so bad, but women.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, So it's always.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Crazy any suggestions that as far as you know, I
talk about the political penna, even the cultural pendulum, it shifts. Unfortunately,
it never shifts to the middle or never. You know,
it always seems to be one or the other extreme.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
What is your outlook for this?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
So I follow these issues not just in the US,
but internationally, and I'll just mention in Britain, in the
United Kingdom, I'm seeing a growing polarization of the sexes.
More and more words like misogynists are being used, not
just sort of in private conversations, but are being used
(28:36):
by government officials to say, we have an epidemic of misogyny.
But you read the so called report, No there's you know,
there may be a couple anecdotal examples, but of course
there's no widespread epidemic of misogyny. Some would say, but
(28:57):
there isn't an epic epidemic of mass which of course
is the opposite. And since this press release we were
talking about a few minutes ago about kill all men,
kind of suggest well, is that pretty hateful for a
group of women to be advocating to kill all men?
So anyway, but the point I'm trying to make is
(29:19):
in the short term, at least in some countries, I
am worried about a growing polarization and vilification of men.
And I see these very hurtful, really and unfair, you know,
just not scientifically based words being thrown out there as
if they're the the you know, the utter truth. So
(29:42):
I don't know about the US. I'm far more optimistic
for the US, just because, as you know, DEI, diversity
equity inclusion programs have been banned in the federal government.
Of course, those programs are overtly discriminatory against white men,
and so I think we are seeing movement in the
(30:05):
right direction overall in the US. You may have heard
jd Vance at the recent SEAPAC conference here at Washingfield
and Washington, d C. He spoke us specifically two men saying,
you know, young men, you know, don't be troubled by
these these negative stereotypes that are being floated out there.
(30:26):
They're not fair. And he actually said, we're looking at
policy approaches to erectify this. So to answer your question,
I think it depends very much on the specific country,
and that's partly why we do these press releases to
sort of put out the other side of the story
that you know is not as widely publicized. But again,
(30:47):
everything we say we document with citations and links URL links.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Well, I mean, at some point and I do, because
we have freedom of expression here, freedom.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Of speech, well you know all of that.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The backlash I think can be more immediate between you
and I.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
My listeners know this. I've been accused of being a misogynist.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Oh congratulations, even as a woman, right.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And it's just it's simply as a counteract to the
ridiculous nature of things going on. It's just like hard
to comprehend. But at some point there has to be
a backlash of not just men kind of defending themselves
speaking truth to your point, but women. I'm going to
defend the men in my life who I love, and
(31:36):
I think that's a great thing, and I think that
can happen in this country. But I think the fact
that the most malign creatures nowadays, and I think this
is worldwide, is are the white males. I would contend,
although I don't have figures to back this up, that
second only to them would our stay at home moms.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I would say, if I could put this an international perspective,
I think if we were to go to Israel, we
would clearly see that there is this overt hostility of
between Hamas and Israelis, and and I would say it's
more than hostility, it's a vert hatred. And why is that? Well,
(32:15):
once again the Israel has been portrayed as the quote oppressors.
Does that sound like a familiar Marxist term, and the
and the people in hamas sort of pigeonholed as the oppressed.
So once again we see this Marxist duality being uh
uh promoted there in some countries, Christians are under a
(32:40):
great deal of attack as well. But again Christians are
seen as the you know, as the oppressor ideology or
oppress or religion. Yeah, I know. So, so we're we're
facing a global Marxist ideology around the world, and it's
you know, it's all about divide and conquer.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, yes, I mean the fact that Christians go into
other countries and try to help, and yet they're the oppressors.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But because you know, history, the revisionist history tells us
something different.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
They seek out the right there sought out as the
bad guys.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But if I can go back to this New York
Declaration for Men and Boys that we released just last week,
we have found that our strongest supporters are women. Okay,
and well it's not just because women have you know, husbands,
and brothers and sons, and so I think it goes
beyond that. I think there's a sense of hey, we're
(33:39):
all in this boat together, we sink or swim together,
and we have to reach out. And actually, I'm going
to read a quote for you know. We actually on
our website we have a couple of quotes. This is
from a woman named Lynn Crabtree who lives in England,
and i'll quote we hereby express our unequivocal support for
(34:03):
the New York Declaration for Men and Boys and it's
mission to promote fairness, equity and justice for all. So
and there's been other very nice quotes like that. So
the point I'm making is we see this New York
Declaration for Men and Boys as a building block or
a bridge between the sexes because women so much identify
(34:26):
with these principles. It is the it is the fulfillment
of the Beijing Declaration, and it's and we're affirming the
conceptive gender equality. We're just not going with the Marxist
idea Marxist vision of what gender equality is supposed to mean.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I think that's instructive just for our listeners. When you
see the the narrative go oppressor and victim, you know,
dive into that. Don't just believe what you hear, you know,
unearth the context behind it or under it, to make
sure what validity remains and what doesn't. Ed I could
(35:03):
talk to you for three days, and I I so
appreciate what you guys are doing. And I think I
think more women than we know would agree with miss
Crabtree because it's consistent and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
In fact, that works.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, and I'd say it's not only okay, I'd say,
you know, viva la difidants. I mean, this is wonderful.
This is this is what brings spark to life and
makes life. You know, it just enriches our experience as
human means.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Edward Bartlett, I can't thank you enough for being with
us today.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
It's just been such a joy and pleasure. Davia.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
In the the can you give us the name of
the parent company again?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Sure? So that it's the Domestic Abuse and Violence International Alliance, DAVIA,
and our partner organization is the International Council for Men
and Boys. Web address www dot Menandboys dot net.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
That is easy enough. We will refer to that. We'll
put it on the website.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And we will drive as much traffic and promotion to
your cause and Dobby's cause as we possibly can.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Greatly appreciate it, and I really enjoyed the conversation as well.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I'm so excited that this group exists, Joe, I can't
tell you because this has been brewing for a long time.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I agree with him.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
It's a crisis, you know, in this in this culture
of logical fallacy speak, where we make these sweeping generalizations
that because one guy did something bad one day, I'm
you know, we all men suck. That's not true, and
we have done such a disservice to not just young men.
(37:02):
That's bad enough, because again we are I say women.
We they whatever the feminists are doing to the men,
what they think has been done to them. Now there
are outliers that everywhere. But the sweeping generalization crap has
got to stop because it is a crisis. Western civilization
(37:25):
will end when men end. You may not like it,
you may wish it were different, but that's the truth.
And you guys have heard me say we need to
step in front of our men when they are attacked.
Now I don't like that either, because I think men
step up when any kind of attack occurs, but we
(37:48):
need to help them do it, in my opinion, with
the men you love, and maybe with the men that
you don't, we've.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Got to stop this.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And it's pervasive, and to his point, it's just another
step of the cultural Marxism that has fractured society, but
it's ruined many a men. I mean, just look at
the Daniel Penny incident, Joe. He was protecting people, which
is a man's natural instinct against an aggressor. That's what
(38:20):
a man does. Nothing wrong with that. You want to
look at the circumstances, fine, but Daniel Penny was not
the aggressor there. He was protecting others against an aggressor.
And every woman on that train was grateful. You know
what woman wasn't grateful the woman on the Pennsylvania train
(38:45):
who was raped while men flipped out their fricking cameras
and videotaped it. Because guess what, that was the start
of the slippery slope? Ladies, are you going to jump
into that situation. I'd like to think I would have
tried something that I would have likely gotten hurt.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
But you know what, you.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Can't just sit there and watch that so very excited
for DAVIA again Domestic Abuse and Violence International Alliance, and
they're recently coined New York Declaration of Men and Boys.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I love it. Let's do that.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Let's allow men to be who they were created to be,
just like we want to be who we were created
to be.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Right, that's consistent. Okay, I'm going to stop there, because
I would just go on forever.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I want to thank you all for listening. Thank you
as always to magic Man Joe Strecker. Until next time,
who will stand at either hand and keep the bridge
with me?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Have a great day.
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