Ultimate Connector Graham Skidmore

Self-Proclaimed Breaker of Molds and Builder of Bridges | Growth Engineer, Nonprofit Founder, and Podcast Host, Graham Skidmore chats with James Lott Jr about the "algorithm" of you! He is all about connection. engensolutions.com

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I created the show nine years ago. I cannot believe
that I was looking at my thing. I'm like, nine
years and almost four hundred episodes of this show. Kind
of crazy on the longest things I've done in my career.
And we started the show, me and my former co host.
I hope she's doing good out there. We started the

(00:26):
show because we want to connect to the individuals who
want to connect. First was community, small, little local community.
Then we said extra connections, make it broader, like a
global So that's what we've done for the last nine years.
And I say this with no I mean I say
this and it's all truth. I've had merely foreign guests

(00:50):
on the show. This guest, literally I told to sit
them in an email yesterday, personifies what this show was
striving to be in about and continues to strive to
be about. He is about connection in so many different
ways and it's not even funny. He has a bio

(01:11):
that's wide and long. I want to do my own
piece of how I want to do his bio Number one.
I love that he says I wish I thought this myself,
but I didn't. He is to self proclaimed. I quote.
I love it. I love this me too, breaker of
molds and builder of bridges. That to me is brilliant

(01:35):
right there. What does that mean? We're gonna find out
on this episode Connections. But the things that he does
several things. He has Engen Solutions it's a nonprofit. He
has SATH Solutions or sat A Solutions that's a for profit.
There's a podcast called Understanding the Science of You. All

(01:58):
these things are conglomeration of him, of what he is
trying to do in the world. So help me meet
Graham Skidmore. Hi, Graham, Hello James.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Thanks for you for so much for having me. I
really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'll be like, you're intro I try to do something good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I was like, wow, all right, I'm gonna We're already
starting with some pressure here.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I mean, well, you know, and and but I mean
in all seriousness and right now I'm picking my shirt.
I think I found the shirt I want, wonderful, want perfect.
You are a person. As I'm going over with your
stuff and going online and you know, and looking you
up and everything and seeing what you do everything, I

(02:42):
feel a kinship with you because I'm an entertainment but
I feel like i'm i do entertainment that means something
that has a service as a property of some kind
of of giving back. No matter what I do, whether
it's a Star Wars show or soap opera or organizing
or life card, I try to I try to always

(03:04):
give back something to the people who are listening and
watching everything you do, whether it's for profit, nonprofit podcasts, whatever,
it sounds like, it's similar. Do you. So my first
question to you is, right now, are you fully in service?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm gonna say almost right. I've spent the last five
seven years working on myself so that I could be
fully in service, and so I've spent then in the
last year, I've spent my time now putting the pieces
on the board, and now I'm entering into that phase
of making of doing right and becoming and actually taking

(03:51):
being able to take more action and being in service.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So I think, thank you for your honesty, thank you
for the things that I love that because I always
I'm gonna say, I always like, tell me, well, you
got you gotta join me with my journey. My journeys
is gonna continue. You're gonna be with me on it.
We're gonna do it together, and hopefully all carry each
other to the rare conclusions when the company you get
to go to, Well, when did you begin to let's

(04:18):
say it this way, when did you begin to enter
the chessboard to put the pieces together? Where did it
start for you?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah? I think well, I got my first inklinger in
twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I know this.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I think your shoo tends to be a little bit
more mainstream than wu Wu. So I won't go down
the woo Wu path. But you know, I definitely live
in the wu Wuo world. And you know, but I
didn't always know that about myself, and so I got
like this hint of hey, it's in twenty sixteen, like
it's time for you to move on from your corporate life,
which was a big deal for me because that's all
you know to me, that that my corporate life represented

(04:52):
me playing the game of life the way that I
was taught to. And then I was told to right
check the boxes, buy stuff, get a house, get married,
get a country club membership, drive a nice car. Okay,
you playing the game? Well, problem was I The more
the more boxes that I checked, the worse I felt,
so like, well this, I don't like playing this game
this way? Right, and so, but of course I also
don't like to learn the easy way, and so and

(05:13):
I and so I definitely spent the next two years
trying to plan my exit accordingly and empower the people
that I was working with, you know, in certain ways
before I left, and and and uh, you know, the
universe was like, all right, we're you know, we're out
of time on that. It's uh. And so that it intervened,
and I and you know, we had a uh coming

(05:37):
to Jesus, if you will, myself and and and and
you know, and the guy reported to the CEO at
the time of like, hey, this isn't working. And I'm like, no,
it's not. He's like, hey, why don't you do something,
and why don't we have you, you know, do focus
on this other stuff. And I was like, yeah, I'm
just gonna go, which was a really big surprise to
all of us, right because we all kind of expected
me to retire from the place. And so that was
my first then kind of stepping away, not knowing what

(05:58):
was going to happen. And then I spent then, you know,
throughout the next five seven years, I spent the time
getting to know myself from various perspective, various lenses, understanding
you know, a larger purpose and fulfillment for myself. And
that was when I started to understand Okay, you know,
the builder of the breaker of molds, builder of bridges
came from walking through multiple footsteps, understanding myself through different lenses,

(06:21):
so that I could create experiences and knowledge transfers through
from firsthand experience, right, Like, you don't want to hear, hey,
this is what I would do in that situation. No,
I want to know. This is what I did do
when I was faced with that same thing, right, and
so I recoon it, you know. And so a lot
of my life, the first you know, forty years of
my life was spent building a lot of those this
is what I did in those situations. And then the

(06:43):
next seven years were spent a lot more on Okay,
that didn't that worked in some ways, but didn't work fully.
And so now here's the other information that I needed
to learn so that I could have that sense of
achievement as well as fulfillment and purpose, et cetera, being
able to share and so yeah, so that's then what
I built all of my like knowlogy and understand the
science of you, and I didn't come with an owner's
manual in those educational series. Uh, to assist.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
People with First of all, okay, it's great, but you
have to tell me who your dog is.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh, I'll show you this is We love.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Animals on this channel. We were animal people, so animal
Oh good.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, this is Sophia, our little love wisdom angel and
she she's typically easier to just keep on my lap
and let her do her own things.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
So I've had many show I'm gon tell you I've
done over in thousands of hours. So I dinamic. But
we're animal advocates on this channel.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
So wonderful.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
You love that. That's very cute. It makes you see
more sympathetic out there. Uh, there does alls a joke
in in the business. Have an animal on you are
a child to be fine, But we love animals. Here's
the thing, So I can relate on some level. I
was raised to I mean I was raised and you
know I came from the eighties and I was told

(07:53):
to go to college. I did and get a job.
And you worked their jobs' sixty five and you retire
and that's it. And I remember where I was at
Morgan Stanley, Dean Winter this, and then nine eleven hit.
We lost our office in New York and we lost people,
I mean people I talked to just that week before,
and it shook me. I mean it shook me for
I mean many reasons, but that was but just that

(08:14):
was the main thing. And I kept thinking, maybe it's
time for me to do something different. And then I
left that job. But then I went back into corporate
life again. I fell right into the same like, well,
you're u this money and you're really good at this,
and you live in San Francisco. It's very expensive, so
you got, you got, you got two daughters, and and

(08:35):
it was just kind of like, oh my goodness. But
like you, I turned forty and said, that's it. So
it's not about something about forty forty about forty so
I know how what you say just and then the
last for me sixteen years has been the whole building
of this brand. But at forty, I was like, yeah,

(08:55):
I'm done. I'm not happy I have all this money.
It's it's so ch I mean, it's so cliche, right,
but it's so true. You can have all money, you
have all the vacations and all stuff, but if you're
just not if you if you don't like your job
really or you're not fulfilled at all. But but isn't
it because also, but we're men, aren't we aren't we
taught just inherently we have to just go out there

(09:19):
and get get get, get, get get get get, and
you know that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh. I was absolutely brought up to believe that my
value as a man was my ability to be a provider. Yes,
and I needed to be the cornerstone of the family.
Everybody else cries, you'd be solid, you know if you know,
if you can't provide for your family, then you're not
really doing much right, like you're and the way that
you are going to be valued by society is based
on you know, economic factors.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yes, yes, so hot. So then you said you start
to begin to see how how did you start to
reframe that though? Then? Because you can still be a
great provider and be sensitive and still be a man, right,
just though, but how did you start to see it
a little differently? Then?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, that's what that's what people would say, right, No, No,
I see that meaning late right, And so that was
what people around me would say. But throughout my corporate career,
when I was focused on working on other I couldn't
figure how to do that, right, I just figured it out. Yeah,
And so it was only afterwards, you know that I
began to start to put those pieces together, and uh,

(10:26):
where's I.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Wasn't there a specific per person or mentor or book
or something something that something that's kind of going there's
something clicking you. This is that?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, you know, I think similar to like many many
significant changes that people go through, they hit some sort
of a bottom, right, and so I definitely the desire
to change, the openness to change wasn't difficult considering.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
How miserable I was when I looked in the mirror, right,
and you know, I also started having you know, physical
ailments were increasing, you know, everywhere I looked. I had
a very specific moment where, you know, I just remember
breaking down and falling to my knees and my living
room floor and just praying to help me bring some
happiness into the world. Like I just didn't understand. This

(11:13):
place didn't make any sense to me, and it was
and things were very scary for me. You know. I
went from feeling like I had to you know, the world,
I'll figure it out, to navigating a world that wasn't
meant or it wasn't designed for me, and didn't know
if I'd ever be able to work again, and and
you know, my whole identity was shattered. So you know,

(11:33):
I kind of always have the same lack of choice
that makes a very clear direction. And so I said, well,
you know, operating from a place of fear, being miserable
and doing nothing about it is certainly not an option
for me. So what do I got left to do?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
And that was okay, Well, I got to I got
to try to figure out to find my way out
of this thing, whatever that meant, whatever that looked like.
And so then I happened to, you know too point
ran across from other people in my life that you know,
helped expose me to some other things in a spiritual level,
and uh that was that was and then that was
a significant.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Turning plum full disclosure. I have a doctorate in divinity,
so you know a lot of my studies, uh, you know,
one of the things that I fully believe, and I've
shared this on this podcast before in the past, because
I'm I'm an entertained business where there are a lot
of no's, there are a lot of you can'ts. There
are a lot of stuff. I learned that when the

(12:25):
doors closed, it's just God narrowing your paths in the
right direction. I fully believe that, especially now when I
have some great things happening, I'm like, oh, now I
get it. I really wanted that thing over there and
it didn't happen. Oh got it. It wasn't right for
me or oh or I said, I mean, I may be,

(12:47):
you know, you know, enlightened, and I'm doing stuff, but
there's still happens. I'm still breaking and God's jumping in
and going No, James, you did that before, you know.
You know that's that you don't want to do that.
You don't want to go there. Oh I don't, Okay,
I won't. I won't do Okay, I won't go there.
Then you're I think I want to go to it?
Now do I go there? And you're right? So for you,

(13:09):
I mean I knew once to this a little bit.
So you must have some sort of faith that also
helps you move through the world.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Also, yeah, I have a tremendous faith that you know.
Some of that and again some of that faith came
from a little bit of surrender, but a lot of
it came more into getting beaten into submission, right. So
like you's a guy said, hey, you know, it's not
your time to be in this place and this anymore,
and you it's you know, it's time for you to
go down this path. And and there was no way

(13:34):
that I was going to go down this path, right.
It was time to go down this path. No matter
how much I tried, I was going to be I
be getting geared back to go down this path.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And so when you're getting you know, negative reinforcement or
pain and trauma or frustration, misunderstand all unpleasant and unproductive
emotions going down one path, it makes it much easier
to be open to other paths. And so that was
worth So there was a lot of that involved over
that last five seven years of of you know, gaining
self awareness and understanding. And so in that respect, you know,

(14:06):
it made it again lack of choice. It makes a
very clear direction I don't want to feel you know,
it felt better to follow the path than it did
not follow the path. And then it became very clear
that no matter what I wanted, that wasn't what I
signed up for during this incarnation, during this lifetime and
you know, you know, it was time for me to
enter into my acts of service, and so I just
needed to figure out what that was and go with
the flow.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
See I know. Yeah, It's like my brother and I
told this, there's a there's a saying that show me
the boy at seven, I'll show you the man. And
then some things we carry us as kids kind of
go into our adulthood. Uh. My brother and I were
very different in he had to be beaten in submission

(14:48):
to learn something. The stove is hot to it every
other time to see if it was not hot, and
it'll be hot me you tell me once, And I
was very dramatic. It's hot. I'm not going over there.
I mean it's really hot. I'm not Oh my god.
I was like, I'm gonna be like, okay, we get it, James,
it's hot as adults are. Brother said to the other day.

(15:09):
He goes, God, James, it takes me like five times
to learn a lesson sometimes and for me just once,
just knock me in ahead once like okay, got it.
So it's kind of funny how you just said. It's
just that it took you eddy kind of knock yourself
around a little bit get knocked around. So what so
what piece of advice do you give people who are
kind of have that they gotta they gotta be knocked

(15:32):
around a little bit, you know, could you give them?
It's kind of like, you know, it's crazy, No.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think that this is a lot of what I
what I what I kind of teacher speak to, which
is understanding you, right, Like, we're not all here to
learn the same things. We don't all learn the same way.
The faster that we learned understand how we learn, then
the more the more an inner piece we can find, right.
And so you know, i'd like, like we talked about
being brought up right, I was kind of brought up

(15:59):
underneth and throughout work with the under the impression that
adversity or challenges only occurred when you made a mistake
or when I made a mistake or did something wrong right,
and so therefore, and so I had to really reframe
that as well to recognizing, no, those are just those
are catalysts, right, and those and these are things that
are nudging me in a certain direction. And then you know,

(16:20):
part of my service or it is being able to
problem solve great solutions things of that nature. And the
only way that I and for me, the way that
I figure how to do that was understanding it from
multiple angles, which meant, you know, oh, tell me the
stove is hot, Well, let me see if it. Can
I touch you with with one hand? Howbe I would
touch you with this potholder? What about this potholder of
this material versus that material? Right, And being able to

(16:42):
figure that out so that I could explain so that
when others were like, hey, the stove is hot, I'm like, well,
here's the deal. Yeah, the stove is hot. If you
touch you with your bare hand, you it might burn.
But if you only need to grab something off it
real quick, well then you just use this pothold me
to this material. But if you're gonna need to, you know,
really hold your hand over the fight for a quote
a while, then you're gonna want this material. So it
was more about then being able to be of service
for everyone that I had to understand it from many

(17:03):
different directions, And so it went from beating myself up
over why couldn't I just figure this out the easy
way to recognizing I was never supposed to. That's not
how I'm wired, That's not what I'm here to do
right and giving myself and so look, giving myself grace
was one of the harder chance was one of the
bigger challenges I had to I definitely had to learn.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
We are hardest on ourselves. It's really crazy. People can
be hard essed, but we're hardest on ourselves. You know.
It's and and I think as men, especially a lot
of times we will just we will beat ourselves down
if something hasn't looked a certain way or feel a
certain way, or we won't do this. It's it's crazy.
It's like, why do we do that? It's like, I mean,
I get why we do it, but like we have

(17:40):
to we have to stop that. There's I took the
word perfect perfection out of my vocabulary. This is such
a thing. We are what we who we are, and
that's that's We're an amalgamation or whatever you know to
that point. Right, So I agree with you. We have
to learn what works best for us. There's no one side.
It's fits all just it's just it's right. So it's

(18:02):
so for you what that look like in terms of
figuring out the science of you, what that looked like?
See you gay, they're there?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, well that's why I ought
to do it right back. And that's why I then,
you know, kind of created the Bill Brudge in the movies.
I didn't come up an owner's manual, and so sharing
with people, this is how I figured out my owner's
manual and figured out myself. There's there's a lot of
trial on error, you know. I was fortunate in my
career where I you know, did okay for myself, and
so I was able to take you know, some time
off where I could literally just focus on getting to

(18:31):
know me. And yeah, I wouldn't have been able to
do those things had I needed to do, you know,
go to go to work forty or sixty hours a week.
So I really spent a lot of time, to your point,
you know, unpacking all of my old pain, all of
my old trauma. Why did I do what I did?
Was I supposed to?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
What?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Could it have been avoidable? Should it be avoidable? What?
And so a lot of it was also re establishing
my expectations of life, right because I mean, one of
the things that I came to understand, at least for me,
was that so much of my quality of life but
dependent on the my expectations, right, And so I really
needed to adjust what my expectations were for me, not
what life said, but for me and what makes me

(19:10):
happy and recognizing as well, how many things didn't I
do that made me happy because society said that I wouldn't.
A simple one is I remember sharing with you know,
male friends of mine. How you know, I made some
friends with squirrels in my backyard. Nature is very important
to me. Animals are very important to me. And so
you know I spend time feeding squirrels and I do
that here now in downtown Chicago, and you know, and

(19:30):
the what they said to me, are stut young to
be playing with squirrels? Is that something? That? Is that
something that you do once you get old and retire?
And I was like, well, who I all made up
those rules right, right? Like what are you talking? But
the amount of beliefs that we all are that get
imposed upon each other, right? And then you're like, well
is that weird? And depend And so in my life

(19:53):
when I wasn't as secure with myself, right, I'm just
trying to you know, I was, I had plenty of quorky,
plenty awkward, trying to fit in andto things, right, So
all right, well I'm not gonna you know, I naturally
wrote against the current, so when people would say things
to me that it was kind of going against the current,
I needed to kind of reel myself in and go
with the flow more in those other places to kind

(20:13):
offset the others. I'm like, all right, right, and so yeah,
so I spent a lot of masks that I put
on and it need it needed to peel off.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Well, we all, we all all that goes into we
all kind of have a mask on every day. We
put on armor, suit of armor where we want to
call it mask armor all the time for various different reasons, right,
very different, you know, I said, different masks for different reasons.
But we all do that, don't we. Interesting, Yeah, that's
kind of crazy. Okay, So now we'll get into this

(20:43):
where you are today, because you see you have several
projects going on at once, like me or a multi hyphene.
I love it. I love it. I mean, that's that's
that's how, that's how it works. So I kind of
want to you know, I forgot where I want to start.
Because you have the three main things you have going on.
I kind of want to know about each of them.
So let's start start with engine. Let's start that. I like,

(21:05):
so tell us what what that mission is, what it's about,
and let's go. Let's start there.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah. So one of the things, so a couple of
core things that I that I teach and share is
that there's more to all of us and what we've
been let on to believe, right, that we've got ourself
here and then we've kind of got a total or
a higher self. And one of the things that and
and that having more than the traditional five senses is
part of the human experience. And it's not about being
a fortune tell everything else, but it's that those additional

(21:33):
senses are there to help guide us through the game
of life. Right. And so whether that be intuition, trusting
your gun, right, it doesn't have to be anything. It
can be as simple as that. And so if we
and so when I say the systems are broken out
to people, there's a lot of cys, there's a lot
of pain trauma people. And is quality of life being

(21:54):
inhibited because we're living inside of a one size fits
all set of systems, right, And if I and so
it's one thing to have a theory about how things
are supposed to be or if things are broken or
whatever else, it's another thing to demonstrate that they're broken
through proof. And so Enngen for me, is my community
that helps me to provide the proof that it's the
systems that are broken out to people. So it's creating

(22:16):
an individualized approach to healthcare, to training and education, to
income and income and generation and employment. And then many
people you know are kind of born in with certain
passion product that are especially attracted to my stuff, with
passion projects or social injustice that they want to take on.
And so Nngen provides a new place of community to

(22:37):
demonstrate how you know both a community of equality and
an equal opportunity and how and how you know being
crappy to each other is not just part of the
human condition. We're capable of getting along, we're capable of
support right, we're capable of being stewards for each other.
But instead of shouting it from the rooftops, it's much
more powerful for me just to demonstrate it through through

(22:58):
through a community and and people that were understood themselves
through one lens helping them to unlock their gifts, wisdom abilities,
improve their quality of life. And you know. That's that
leading by example is much more powerful than any sort
of words. And so Engine provides that enclosed environment for

(23:19):
me to create the new one for it to emerge.
And so that's why it's also a nonprofit.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I like that. So again, connection connecting the people who
are looking for connection. I know. Also, it's it's tough
out there because a lot of us feel like we're
in vacuums, we're in silos, little satellites. Plus the addition
of social media that's our last ten years especially has

(23:47):
happened where are are doom scrolling or scrolling because they're
just jealous of everybody else because in you and I,
both you and I both know everything's properly curated by
any person on earth, you know. So I think it's
just it's really interesting that you started this during a
time where when you're about earlier. Just like measuring your

(24:09):
sel up to people, it's it's easier to try to
measure sell up to people. But it's not good. I mean,
it's not a good thing to do.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
No that it's funny. I spent a lot of my
life with hubris and making myself feel better by doing
that measuring. Oh you know, all right, I would feel
pain and then I would say, oh, well, I'm better
than this person. I'm better off than this person is.
I don't have these problems because of that. Right, And
so my quote unquote armor or what people thought of
as my this strong self confidence was you know, really

(24:40):
me just being a concrete covered marshmallow. Now this next
chapter of my life, I've got that inner confidence, but
it comes from from a place of humbleness and humility
and being comfortable with myself. And you do you and
I do me, and that we're different and we don't
need to compare each other. And you've got your path
and journey. I've got my path and journey. And I
don't need to be jealous of what you have or
don't have. And I don't need to prove what I

(25:01):
do or don't have anybody else.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, I think, you know I think, And I don't
know if you feel the same way. I just feel
like we are so obsessed with what we don't have
and we don't look at what we have.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah. Well, again, Iver talked to you about that, that
that that guidance from since you've used the word god,
I'll lean into that and say to my guidance from
God was, look, you can't you can't speak truth to
power and fight the status quo if you're also relied
on those same set of systems to pay your bills
and to justify you. So one of the things that
I needed to do was sell all my stuff and

(25:39):
walk away from that life. And so, you know, right
now I'm living with you know, I'm staying at my
partner's place here in Chicago, Jamie. But yeah, but you know,
I got rid of you know, and and in the
state sale, got rid of all my you know, just
you know, ninety five percent of all my stuff and
use that money to you know, to you know, pay

(25:59):
for my for engine and the education and all this
other stuff that I've been working on. And so yeah,
that was that made it a little bit easier to
just jump in the water and swim.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I guess first second, because for me, I left my
whole big world behind in two thousand and eight when
it was the recession. People thought it was crazy, but
I just knew so so just quickly and speak of
trusting your gut. For the last four months of the
job that I had, my stummer hurt every single day,

(26:34):
and I had and I would take the subway. I
was take the subway and then I would get off
with cubbart and then I would get off after walk
eight blocks to my jobs, to the office, and I
stopped getting coffee and I'd walk there and my stomach
would hurt those eight blocks, and I would get to work,
do the job, wouldever get home, drink whatever. I mean,
things I don't do anymore. But just like I was
just hit my job when I gave notice gram skidmore,

(26:57):
I'm gonna I'm gonna excuse my language. I shit, you
not true that gave notice my stomach stop churning. I'm
not even joking. I'm not saying ironically or anything. It's
stop dirty.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, And that's a lot of like understand the science
of you. That's why that's so important is recognizing that
aches and pains are not also just part of the
human condition that you're you know, this is like your
human suit, and it's it's the best piece of AI
that we have. And if you think of everything as information,
you can have a much different interaction with the world. Right,
And so that's Western medicine just says, oh, you see
to take some tongues you've got you've a biological problem, right,

(27:36):
and ensure if you take enough stuff, you can override
what your body's talking to you. But that doesn't change
how you feel and what you see in the mirror
and your quality of life. Right, and so to your
and and that's where it's like you're helping people to
understand that, Hey, sometimes when I'm wrong, it is biologic
sometimes right. But look, but if you're taking tombs every
single day, which like yourself, I had plenty of stomach
problems as well. I held a lot of my stress,

(27:57):
a lot of my anxiety in my stomach. And so
once I started to unpack all that stuff, like and
so yeah, that's that's that's such an important thing that
we just that we're not taught enough here in Western culture.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
No, I agree with you completely. Also want to ask
you about is when I came back to La though,
the same thing I can I downsized we do with
my brother. They used to have my own blade and
all was it was like it was a whole of
a situation. I wasn't making that money anymore because I'm
becoming altributed. You know, like you to can leave a faith,

(28:29):
so for you how easy or tough. Was it to,
like I said, sell off your belongings and say, okay,
I'm gonna invest in myself in a business. How was
that for you? They get you interview frames with so
I'm sure then too it was.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Definitely you know, some of my gifts, you know, allow
me to get some glimpses into the you know what
to expect, will just call it. And so I knew
for a few years what was coming.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, So I was able to.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Take a phased approach right like and before when when
things first started, it was you know, I'm never going
to get below this amount of money. Okay, I'll invest
and do this until I get to this spot, and
after that then I'm pulling the record. Then it was
once I got to that spot, I was like, okay,
now I understand I've got much better, I've got more
clarity in my purpose and my vision. All Right, I'm
willing to invest more. And then it became all right,

(29:18):
who am I kid? This isn't on my terms and
this isn't my money, right, God gave me everything that
I've got, and so if this is this and so
this is how I'm supposed to do it, This is
how I'm supposed to invest the money into, you know,
these chapters of my life, and so be it. But
I but I, you know, but it needed to be
a phase approach for me. It definitely wasn't just a

(29:38):
one time I woke up in the morning and had
this epiphany, you know, my first couple of years, because
there's so much of my security, so much of my identity,
so much of my self worth was tied into that
economic aspects, right, And so it wasn't just about the money, right,
It was about rewiring myself, my understanding of myself, my
valuing them, myself, all of those things. And so, yeah,

(29:59):
it took a few years agoing through that.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
And I'll add to that for me, everyone else's reactions, yeah,
absolutely right, what are you doing? What's going on? Oh
my god? Look are you crazy? Or you start business
for yourself in entertainment? Like is that a real job?
And what are you like? And I had that for
first like four or five years. People just didn't understand
what the f I was doing. Now they now they're fine.

(30:22):
They getting it. I'm successful, I guess, and how to
get it. But those first I would say, first four
or five years, my parents were like you went to
school and became what. I don't understand you have degree.
I didn't they could understand. They thought it was too
esoteric for them. So they just couldn't get what Like,
I'm simple. I'm sure you had some of the same stuff.
I'm sure, yeah to your pull up.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I just kept quiet about it because I wasn't ready
to deal with with a lot of that. I wasn't
ready to deal with the the comments and it's and
so I I you know, I kept pretty quiet about it.
In the last year, you know, I've become more vocal
about some of that stuff with friends and jap. I
just was with a with a friend of mine back
in Michigan, and you know, people saying, well, you've got

(31:03):
to get back to work, We've got to go make money. Well,
first of all, let's be very clear, I don't have
to do anything. Okay, all right, Like if you want
to do that and that's what's important to you, that's cool.
But like you know, I would much rather than and
and I will, And I said the point, I will
do my work and live out of my car before
I allow myself to feel the way that I felt. Yes,

(31:24):
you know, and I will not to mention. Once you've
kind of gone through and you've seen on the other side,
you also recognize how unproductive. You know that I truly
was all these other things when I did it the
other way. So it's not like it's a hard decision
to lean into the other way when you've you when
you've tasted how much better you feel.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
It's it's interesting once you make that click, don't you
make that shift, and how you're like, I can't go back,
and I I couldn't imagine. I don't know if you
could either ground I could not imagine going back to
the corporate. I'm sure I could do it. I mean,
I'm sure physically, I mean I'm sure I could, you know,
do it, but not, but mentally I can't do it.

(32:02):
They get back at a desk, you know, answering that
phone and then pushing papers by stuff. I don't give
any crap abouts. I just couldn't. I don't even I
don't even know. I just I nope, I could. I
just for me, it'll be, it'd be it'd be a
slow death for me. And you know what's happening, Graham.
I'm glad we're talking about this stuff too, because what

(32:23):
are you doing? Because we are dying. Younger men are
dropping like flies in their thirties, forties, and fifties because
of their jobs, because of what they do. It's a
silent killer on some level. It's like stress and all
the stuff that it just gets you and you're eating
bad and you're tired, you're drinking too much on the weekends,
or because you're because you don't believe, because you because
you feel like you're stuck in what you're doing. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Oh yeah, I spent a lot of time numbing, numbing things,
you know, you know, you know, you know looks. I
think it's important to be transparent with people, and people,
you know. Booze, gambling and women were my three vices
that I use to try to feed the numb myself
or to feel better about myself or you know whatever,
or to just blow off steam.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
And so.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
You know which did which? By the way, all three
of those which that that will definitely lead you to
an early grave.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Totally. It sounds by the time, and I thought, I mean,
I mean, I did have some fun, but you know
what I mean. But I mean, but in the long run,
it stopped being fun.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
That's right. That's right, there was and that was part
of again where it made it easier to turn that
corner in healing and growing when the things that worked
for me no longer worked for me, right, And that
was part of you know, my part of that awakening
and understanding of myself and you know, being pushed along
was that you know, the vices that that used to
be vices now of a sudden just just cause more pain.

(33:50):
Right before where there could be that blowing off of steam,
you know, there was no there was no longer that
release fail right, and so the feedback loop, you know,
was like, all right, you know this isn't work any worse.
Time to you know, trying to find something different, trying
to find something more productive.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
All right, I do want to promote you. So Engine
just a Laymor's terms, if people are looking to want
to join or whatever, what is that? What is that?
What does it do for them?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah? So right now we're in the kind of the
proof concept phase. And so with Engine, our first our
goal right now is the first one hundred members that
would kind of identify as either neurodivergent, highly sensitive person
spiritually gifted that is looking for looking to enter into

(34:35):
and we're starting in helping wellness by the way, right,
just the same way that hurt people, hurt people, heal people,
heal people. And so you know, I want to help
people to under are starting helping wellness. And we have
a practitioner network that is along with what I called
ACE modules and then this understand the science of you
and the I didn't come with an owner's manual education

(34:55):
all education and for self guided journeys and then the
network of practitioners both traditional and non traditional to help
somebody long to understand themselves, to heal, to be able
to separate their healing between you know, physical ailments and
then you know their body talking to them, you know,
their higher self, their spirituality saying you're not aligned with you.
And so that's why your stomach hurts. Doesn't matter how

(35:17):
many times you take. Your stomach's gonna hurt. This is
what you need to right. But people and then the
but then they've got to be able and so they've
got to learn how to understand themselves as an individual,
be supported as an individual. And so that's what so
people that are that are and then also then people
that feel like they've also kind of got got a
calling to be a part of something greater in life,
to lead by example of you know, to to lead society,

(35:39):
to figure out how to get along with each other
and how to respect differences and learn from differences. So
it's kind of like that combination of the of that
of that too, you know, is that first kind of
hundred people that we're looking for, and it's it's it's
it's a it's a nonprofit, it's a membership based program.
And it's a membership because we need to be able
to kind of have our own set of bylaws to
ensure that a quality. Yeah, and you know, and and stuff. So,

(36:02):
you know, so if somebody feels called to, they've always
felt that they're kind of calling in life and are
looking to get to know themselves better. Yeah, look, I
want you to feel better. I want you to enjoy
who you see in the mirror. That's what you're meant
to do. You're not meant to be here on earth
and to and to feel crappy, both physically, emotionally or spiritually.
You know. So definitely, yeah, reach out and even if
even if somebody look, even if you're listening, you're just like, hey,

(36:24):
I'm tired of feeling crappy. Look, I want people to
feel good, even if maybe the whole full thing about
engine isn't what someone's all about. And for whatever reason,
I seem to resonate with you, then reach out to
I'd love to see what I can do helping me
to feel that.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, we's talk about that too later. I want people
to can reach out to you. There's a there's a
famous I don't know if it's true or not. It
could I've seen this, uh so David Cassidy. Yes, that
David Cassidy, Parks's family and all that fame on his deathbed,
and it has been said by his daughter Katie that

(36:56):
he said I wasted too much time. But his last
words and I and I always that, if it's true
or not, still resonated with me in a sense that
I don't be that person that said that says that
end of my life, I'm able to go. You know,
I had a good time, and I took care of
business in the end, like I I turned it around
in the end where I can go, Okay, I'm good.

(37:16):
You know, I don't. I don't want it. I don't
want to die with regrets or with like I should
have could have? Would? I just think that to me,
that's that's a double death for me. I just couldn't.
I just can't. I don't want to do I don't
want to do that. So while I'm not like you,
while we're on earth and we're alive, let's try to
help everybody and not have to have that when they
go to But I also want to ask you doing
the podcast that's my world. Also doing the podcast, what

(37:41):
have you learned about yourself and talking you know, and
doing this whole podcast?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Hmm? What have I learned that as far as I'm
doing my own ended my personal podcast, that I understand
the science of view or being a guest.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
No, doing your own pie? I mean, because I'm I
learn stuff every day when I do this podcast. I
learned that about myself all the time. But I'm just
curious for you. That's my world. I'm just kind of
curious what you are very specific things that you are
walking away with by doing this podcast.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, I mean I constantly get reinforced that I'm my
biggest impediment.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
How funny? Okay, yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know I I would be concerned about putting myself
out there in certain ways because I came from knowing
myself and being such one person and now I'm such
one hundred and eighty degree different person. And it's one
thing to be your genuine, authentic self in your own
living room, and like talking to people like in the
like being me in the woo woo community is much

(38:41):
you know, is you know, it is much much easier
than talking to you know, my friends that are in
the main street, right, you know, I remember going to
and anyway and so, but what I realize and in
putting and so I when I would put myself out there, though,
I continue to be accepted, and the people that were
in my life were just like, hey man, you feel
you know, are you happier? You look better? Right? And

(39:03):
so getting that positive reinforcement, you know really you know,
kind of helped to continue to make me feel more
and more comfortable to keep putting myself out there and
to recognize that there were still unproductive stories. I was
telling myself that that I was using to hold myself back.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Well, I'm glad you're putting yourself out there. I accept you.
That's right. You don't need my acceptance by decide, but
I but I but.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It matters I can tell you it matters.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I up to you. You are, let's go, because I just
know when I do when I do these I mean,
I yet there are obvious things I learned, like like
learning things. But then in the whole general of this
nine years of doing this show, I go, yeah, it has.
It has enhanced my life in many ways and how
I view situations, how I view things now as it
is different than it was nine years ago. I mean

(39:50):
it is different and in part because of doing this
type of podcast. Now, do you want to talk about
I don't know if I butchered or not. SATH Solutions, right, okay,
so tell us about that.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
So SATH Solutions is the you know, creates the the
technology and is the holder of the technology, the education,
the systems, the infrastructure that is used for to fuel
engine as well. Then as I don't know if I
don't know if if harmony health is mentioned, but harmony
health is just is a is a concierge wellness as well,

(40:27):
and so it's and that allows me to once I
have the proof of concept between harmony health and Engene,
then SATH allows as the holder of that technology, allows
me to then license that technology to other entities and
things like that without having to give up equity and
control of those other entities, because that's important if I'm
going to create change, right, I still need to you know,

(40:48):
have some economic things that I need to deal with,
but also you know, I need to be able to
you know, I need to create my own paradigm and
not play inside the existing one anyway. So there was
a legal structure of and of practicality that kind of
drove that decision of keeping things separate.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
But it's it's separate, but it's.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Separate, but it's it's the supporting arm. Right. So when
people want to figure out how do I use technology, Like,
I'm a big fan of better humans, not better technology. Right,
the humans are the carpenter and the AI should be
the tool. It shouldn't be. AI is the carpenter and
humans being its tool. And so let's create and so
SATH and the way that you know, you know, ethical
technology or augmented intelligence. That's how I build and the

(41:32):
tools and in SATH, and so I know there's other
companies that are interested in, hey, how do I use
technology to help create better humans or to get the
most out of humans? And so then you know, being
able to build technology or license it existing, et cetera.
You know, is then where SAFF comes to the play.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Well, you just fought on.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
SATH funds and gen is a nonprofit.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Okay as well, well you just broughtup the dirty letters.
AI about the world is just just tossing themselves all
because of this. There's these two letters. And for me,
I have softened a bits depending on the usage. And
there's some AI products I actually like that that streamline

(42:14):
my life. Others still I'm I'm an entertainment of course,
so some of them I'm like, I'm not down for it.
Uh yes, maybe I'm talking nice into robots. I don't know.
It's for you. I want to know because you just
said ethical and you know that kind of stuff. So technology,
I like, as you just said, it should be the

(42:35):
the humans should always be the ones on top of
this food chain, ecological system and technology. But then, but
but you always when you know this, because you, I
mean you are you are a millennial and you've been
around for a while, you know this. We always advanced
so fast technology wise, but emotionally were always still stunted.

(43:00):
We're always behind the technology. So I'm kind of curious
my question to you because you are you know you're out,
because you're you're doing kind of both things. Ye, you
think we can catch up to the technology emotionally and
really use it in a good way. I mean I don't.
I don't. I don't like questions out of it, just
kind of like I'm just what it can it? Can

(43:21):
it coexist in your in your thoughts? Can it coexist?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Well, since you opened up this can of worms, take
I'll take out a few and speak to them. So, yes,
that's and so this is and so what you talked about,
because it's not it's not like it's an ant the
anti things, right. But this is my whole point about
why it's so important for us to tap into our

(43:45):
total selves or higher shelves and understand ourselves as having
more to us than just than just traditional five senses
and things. Is because when we're able to I want
to say this, when we think about that there's one
way of learning, right, you go to school your thought
pot to learn one way and everything else. Well, when

(44:08):
AI is going against that, well, now it becomes a
game of optimization and efficiencies, and that really plays into
technology the same way the calculator is going to be
is easier to be better at math than a human is.
But being good at math doesn't isn't the ultimate determination
of one's intelligence, right, There's many, many, many determinations of intelligence.
But if we're living inside of the self at this
self fulfilling prophecy where we've essentially dumbed down the human

(44:30):
race to all think the same way and to conform
well again, now we're creating that self fulfilling prophecy of
AI superiority when we understand ourselves as beings of consciousness
who can tap into energies around us, who have actually
have more wisdom than what we know of. But it's
just been shut down, and you know, kind of it's

(44:50):
conditioned out of us. Right by re engaging with what's
been conditioned out of us, now, all of a sudden,
my challenge back is a I can't keep up with
consciousness and the way and so you know, again, most
people are get going to look at me like I'm
you know, like I'm crazy, and then so and and
I understand, right, And so that's part of why I
have Engen as my proving grounds to demonstrate what a

(45:13):
group of kind of people living and tapping into their
consciousness and living a conscious based life are capable of
and how and why the consciousness is superior dating on
and so that's the other part of why I've got
that as a separate entity, and that proved concept improving grounds.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I hope, so I'll be right because I I it's
here's an example. So when I was a kid, CNN
debuts twenty four hour news access. Right, sounds great, And
at first it was right. It was great. Cut to
forty some years later. Now it's a detriment at some

(45:51):
level for people emotionally and psychologically because now we've now
we've graduated to we have twenty nuns of twenty for
our news, but now we have twenty four hour everything,
uh and on your fingertips, on your hand, you know, wherever,
and now people are just losing their minds. So I

(46:12):
always feel like with AI, I'm hoping that it's not
gonna turn like that where first I see some good
uses except for somebody see some good uses when it
comes to like efficiency and certain things. But I'm here
in La. So in La we have robots delivering food.
We have robots, but we have this ding. We have
waymou the car with no people driving, it's crazy. I've

(46:35):
got one. Yet. There's a lot of technology stuff happening
here in California, especially I love Chicago, so I don't know,
I haven't seen in Chicago yet, but but there's happening
here in LA and San Francisco and place like that.
But I just I'm hoping that we could find a
way where it can coexist and not and not become

(46:58):
one of those you know, I robots or you know,
all these movies that that we've we've seen that where
AI is just horribly bad. I hope. I just hope not.
I don't know. I just I just hope. I hope.
I hope.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I think that well, I definitely think it's look. I
definitely think that's a topic where humanity is going to
have to touch the stove or feel it to burn
their hand to learn right. And I think this is
also where a challenge where a materialism view of reality
versus the consciousness view of reality is important because to
let's say, you know, and this is part of what

(47:30):
engine by demon by helping people unlock their gifts is
important because if you have these efficiencies that come and
now humans have more. Let's we have more time on
your hands. Okay, and so what are you gonna do
with more time? Consume more, become more of we can
have more of a parasitic relationship with the earth. We
can decide how to be harsher to each other, how
to judge each other more. Well, that doesn't that that

(47:51):
that that that that doesn't that sounds more scary to
me than you know, some some some some robots. Right
and but yet so but instead we're able to take
that same time to work on our spirituality, to work
on ourselves and having a frame and having a framework
to do that and having examples to recognize, Hey, it's
worth me putting into this time because I can go

(48:11):
from here to here. Now we're creating a different set
of choices for people now we're and that's to me,
that's what's important, is creating that different set of choices
and creating and then providing the infrastructure the systems that
support those choices. So we don't because there you know,
we don't have to live scrolling through AI or or
scrolling through social media's other things. But we do lack
a society that kind of operates otherwise, Right, we do

(48:34):
lack of society of the same minded people. We go
to work and even if you that's fine, you could say, okay,
I don't I'm not going to do that. Well, then
when you go to the office, everybody's talking about this stuff,
and so you know, you kind of get sucked in
right now. But if you're working with a group of
people that are like minded, that aren't doing those things,
not becomes easier to do that. And so that's where
again engine similar to any other there's other plenty of
communities that exist that same way, whether when I look

(48:54):
at the indigenous communities or the Amish communities, right they
kind of they operate with their own different set of
leafs and segregated and they they somehow seem to do
just fine and in many cases have better qualities of life,
you know, than than you know, those of us on
on the status quota. The hamster wheel running around trying
to think, and then we got it all figured out.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I I'm a record collector, so it's been a glorious
I say glorious to watch the return of people winding
physical media. My brother in law and I go at
least twice a month to record stores around Los Angeles. Uh,

(49:38):
I'm full full of people buying vinyl or cassettes, rocassettes,
kids because DVDs. They're there and and people are talking
to each other and we're laughing. Oh my god, remember that,
kids all came out, you know. It's it's it's a
place called Meba, which is a really big, big record

(49:59):
store here and it's one in San Francisco and it
is filled to the guilds and I just am just
in all ages, all races, all religions, all backgrounds, and
everyone is there swimming upstream like salmon, just as we're
all looking just for whatever we're looking for. And it's
fun and you can bump into somebody. I'm so sorry,

(50:21):
Oh I'm looking at this thing. Oh I'm kind of
and it's just and I'm like that almost brings to
your like the community that you're trying to create, the
community I'm trying to create. It's just like with all
the technology in the world, somehow we're still remembering that
physical media is still probably the best way if you

(50:42):
if you love something so much, you should just have it,
because online they're taking things off, you know, not everything's online,
so you know, it's I just I just I so,
I guess I could say, just talking to you thinking
about it going so I am seeing part of that
inaction on someone that.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
You've seen a lot of that. You've seen a lot
of that resurgence, and I think and it's and so
much of this once, this one size fits all approach
doesn't work. And so whether somebody likes whether somebody wants
you know, eight tracks, whether somebody wants vinyl, whether somebody
wants c ds and you know or digital. The point
in the status quo right is it's it's everybody's telling

(51:24):
you why you need to think this way and why
everybody needs to think the same. Instead, we need to
be spending our time trying to both just saying okay,
well if that's what you want, well here's how we build,
here's how we deliver that to you. Here's how you
do you, I do me, And look, let's and let's
and where the learning comes from the difference that we're
all thinking the same and being the same, then we're
not we're not advancing as a species, all right. And
that's when AI definitely takes over. That's when things right,

(51:46):
and then that's when we do it to ourselves. Right,
But instead, when we're looking at the differences, well, why
do you like Vinyl? Because I admittedly I'm not a
huge as much as I enjoy music, I'm not you know,
in the community. But my understanding is that Vinyl has
and always has had a better sound quality or richness
of sound, but from being at from a durability or

(52:09):
sustainability and scaleability. That's kind of where the you know,
the tapes and the CDs and everything else kind of
came into play. Was that was that was more driven
by capitalism and economics than it was quality, right, and
and so I think it's right, and so you know,
I think it's important that there's there's always those pockets
of communities that that provide for those who want to

(52:30):
appreciate the quality. Cool you do you if you don't
really care about the quality and you're just worry about efficiency, okay,
then you do it here. But you know, society breaks
down when when we when we lose our choices, that's
when people get That's when people get angry, and that's
when you know, and that's when things get ugly.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I agree with your completely that we need choice things
to be still had And oh no, Graham. I just
feel as we start to right, I can touch to
you forever, but no, no one listens to a five
hour podcast. So uh but I just think for me
what it comes down to, I would say ninety percent

(53:08):
of us all with the same stuff. We may have
different approaches are trying to get there, or slightly different
feelings about certain things. But I always fight there like
five or six things we all would like to have.
My everybody, most of us would like to have. You know,
either it could be love, good sex, good food, good entertainment,

(53:32):
and there's certain things we all want it no matter what,
and so we're all looking for that, right, We're all
looking for that in various ways. So I feel like
with you and what you're doing is you're trying to
help people there, I guess, And yeah, on some level
that's right.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Even money, right, money nothing nothing, nothing in itself is
good or bad. It's what people do with it. If
you want to give to charity, guess what it's gonna
take money. If you want if you see an unhouse
person you want to help them, well, one of the
things that they will do it requires money, right, It's
only what you know, so all of it so the
more that we just think of things as just tools
and vehicles to that end game, right, then the more

(54:09):
we can accept and understand those differences. And and then
and also the more that we can walk in each
other's shoes and again, and the easier it is to
you know, I don't believe in peace through strength. You know,
I believe in piece of unification. And so when we
can find what you know takes your point. We both

(54:30):
want this, but our methods of getting there the same.
Oh cool, well status quote tells us to focus on
what makes us different. Well, but that but bringing out
the best in humanity and involving humanity is going to
be built on understanding what keeps what makes us similar.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yes, yes, exactly, there's always there's there's a segments always
was quoted. We'll put my biball again. Its real quick,
uh saying money root of all evil? That's not what
they say. It's the love of money. Is that we
were That's what he say in the Bible, and so
meaning just that if that's all you care about, that
that's that's just everything. You know. Money itself, you say
you just said it. Money itself is not evil. I mean,

(55:05):
it's just money. It's an object, it's currency of some sort.
I mean, it's not it's not intrinsically evil. This pill
bottle is an evil. It's not, it's not evil. But
you take a lot of pills off the time. That's
the problem. And I think that's what this is the
thing I can say, I guess it's with this. If
you if you are just you know, you want to
be there, You want to you want to be there

(55:25):
with your fellow fellow man. Woman, we'll ye. It's like,
then just do that. Let's just like, let's just do it,
and let's just be quiet sometimes and listen to other people.
And I always feel sometimes too, and just like let's
just connect. That's fine, quick connect.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yes, I didn't mean interrupt you there. The yeah, the
point that the hittest game of my mind there was
that the thing that I don't understand is that there's
so much focus on conformity. But when I look around,
I don't know about you, but I refuse to believe
this is as good as it gets. And I don't
see a gold standard that's telling me that I should

(56:04):
be conforming anything. I agree, And so I don't understand
the focus on trying to get us all to be
the same. If anything, we should all be like, no, no, no,
this this ain't working. You got to go to this different,
you do this different, you do this different, and let's
come back together and try to figure out which way's
working better so we can disseminate it out to the
rest of us. I mean, that's what we should be doing.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Yes, I agree a thousand percent. I do.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I do.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I just feel like my circle, everybody's different. We all
get along great. I don't believe five. I don't know
drama anybody. We get a great because we're all different people.
And I think and I have long time friendships. I
have friendships are thirty forty years. So it's it's kind
of it's kind of it's kind of crazy to me.
So I'm like, that's.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Why, my my, You know, when I talk about Engen
in my initial audience, it's the narrativerse, the spiritually gifted,
and the highly sensitive people because inside of those categories
is every race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, et cetera.
And so you know, we can we get to show

(57:07):
how to come together with our differences and and you know,
and and use those differences to to move forward and
be better.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Graham scared more. You have to come back. I'm not
going to show them. Let's come back because we just
again another discussion. Thanks for being on the show, Thanks
for sharing part of yourself and sharing some of your stories.
I think us man need to share more we do
with the world, how we feel, and that we're not perfect.
There's it's a thing we're not perfect, uh, and that

(57:37):
we're all and lost. You're always Education should never stop.
Education should never ever stop. Should always be trying to
learn something. I think my feeling tell folks where they
can find you if they want to find you and
your and all your products and everything. So I'll put
underneath in the description, of course, but you can you
can actually physically say it for sure.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I appreciate that if someone's saying, hey, I kind of
like what your perspective on some things, but then please
check me out on YouTube. Underneath you understand the science
of you or I didn't come with an owner's manual.
If you want to look into Engen and Engen solutions
E N G, E N you know dot com, or
if you just want to you know, reach out to you.
I mean obviously you can reach out to me, you know,
through one of those two. But find me on LinkedIn

(58:17):
that's where that's you know, and connect with me there.
Shoot me a message.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Very good, and I put all that underneath. Somebody can
find find you there. Uh, folks, is extra connections. We're
on Facebook, of course, We're on every single streaming service
program out there. Uh platform out there from iHeartRadio, Spotify,
Google Apple not Google Apple. These are all the cash box,
all of them. And then YouTube I call the granddaddy
of them all. YouTube at JILJ Media. Like I said

(58:44):
nine years the early four Ney episodes, We're going to
continue to talk to people who are wanting to connect
and extra connect out there with people. I try to
believe that we can all come together in some form.
I do. I believe it. I really do believe it
many eternal optimists. I don't know where I got it from,
but I just I just have it in there thing.

(59:04):
You know, we could still come together, and I will
always do my best to have guests like Grandma and
others in my real life just keep connecting. It's just
very important, especially today as the world gets more and
more complicated and divided, we've got to remember we're all
the human race. That's just, that's just literally, that's just,
that's just a fact. We're the human race, and so

(59:25):
I will continue that as my charge in the world.
Thanks for listening or thanks for watching. I was ahead
of my audio listeners, but thanks for listening or watching,
and will see you next time.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Take care everybody,