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Speaker 1 (00:08):
And now it's time for Extra pointment your host Phil Jones.
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Larry LG. Godwin in the house. What's up, brother, I'm
good man.
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How are you good? Thanks so much for being here.
Always a pleasure to join you guys here on what's this?
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Extra Point Extra Point with Phil? There you go, all right,
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Are streamed to you guys as it is. Of course,
I'm talking about our show producer. In fact, we call
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her missus producer. It's Mazzanni Matthews checking in, Somazani.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hello, hey, everybody. I'm happy we have Larry back on
the show with us this week.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, yeah, I don't Mazzogni. I don't think we've ever
been on the show together at one time.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, you know, last time we had that whole hest issue.
How we got that fixed, So that's great.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Excellent. Absolutely, and we're going to welcome in former Milton
Athletic director coach sly Gary Silvestri, but he didn't want
to be called that he's coach Slye. So anyway, he's
gonna be joining us around six point thirty via the
Pepsicola hotline from Northeast Atlanta. Also, I want to thank,
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Collins in addition to being a great orthopedic surgeon, he
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indeed they are so really so we're in good hens
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Speaker 1 (02:27):
Sitting here at the desk, we got some pator problems.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
You caught my drift there. Yeah, absolutely totally facetious on
that statement, but hey, whatever happens. You know, Hey, listen,
doctor Collins. I'm sure he has got some crazy stories
on stuff that is appen right with people tearing their
knees or whatever, and anyway, whatever your element may be,
if it's in the world of orthopedics. Uh, you see,
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Larry got a scrubs on, so he's ready to go.
Uh listen, I had a Kevin Collins Houston, give him
a call. I had an encounter with the orthopedic surgeon
several years ago. You know why. It was age related.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So I got into this fitness kick and started doing CrossFit.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
If you guys ever.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Heard of that, I've actually.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Very intense type of workout. It is, right, that involves
your uh really your knees over.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To the the snack bars exactly. Okay, okay, okay, I'm so.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's these intense workouts, but they're uh, but they're made
for young people, you know, because they're they're kind of
intense on your joints. And so after Mazani, after a
couple of weeks doing that, my knees started hurting so bad.
I thought i'd torn something, so I went in to
see my orthopedic surgeon and uh. The first question was
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it says, did you start CrossFit recently? I said, well,
how did you know that? He says, I've been seeing Larry.
Don't get offended, but I've seen a lot of patience
lately that are around our age that has recently joined CrossFit,
and they come in with the exact same problem. He said,
take my advice, here's some anti inflammatories and stop CrossFit.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Stop CrossFit, and he was right.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I stopped CrossFit and the pain went away.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
All right, guys, so appreciate everybody check it into the show.
I want to go ahead and acknowledge who all we
have in the house. If you're new to the show,
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out at us, you know, tell us what you want
to talk about, anything you want us to talk about,
and join in the conversation once we get rolling, which
today we're talking about what might as well be a
four letter word, although it's seven words are seven letters.
Talking about this transfer issue. It really has taken over
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the world of high school sports, especially high school football. Really,
let's call it what it is. I don't think the
other sports are really that affected basketball to a certain degree,
but high school football certainly has been affected. And depending
on your perspective, you can say it's been it's been
affected either by you know, negatively or positively.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Right, So we're gonna talk a little bit about that today.
I want to hear what y'all have to say. And
I'm sure you got a lot to say if you
follow high school football. Man, this this, this whole transfer
situation has in my opinion, gotten out of hand.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think it's affective all of Georgia for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And here's the crazy thing about it.
And again, guys, let us hear all we want to
hear from you. Guys, let us know what you think
about the transfer situation. Now, if you maybe are not
completely up to speed on what we're talking about, let
us uh, let's kind of go over a transfer one
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one for everybody. Yeah, break it down. Okay, So what
you've got is a situation where athletes, if they want
to transfer to another school, they can basically as long
as they show a bona what's called a bonafide move,
meaning it is a legitimate move, which means they and
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the family unit. Okay, you have to show proof of
a residential change, and it cannot be you know, the dad.
Are you the player going with mama to rent an
apartment in another city just so they can play football
and go to school while the dad stays behind or
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vice versa. Okay, that is not a bonafide move, and
that's not what the Jesus likes. So anyway, that's kind
of a very simplistic breakdown of it. But kids know
in parents to know the rules, so it's not as
if anyone's really breaking the rules necessarily. But how in
the world are you gonna police it? Because the last
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check you got over two thousand transfers in the state
of Georgia alone, soa I think has one person in
the what do you call it, the enforcement? Enforcement? You know,
it's another name, but anyway, enforcement, which is basically having
to make sure that transfers are legitimate. So as you
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can see, there's really no true bona fide way to
make sure that a move is indeed bonafide.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
So, in fact, Phil, do you know what the current
process is for the GHSA to handle transfers.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They based it on the honor.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Systems that's right at the school. Yeah, that's what that means.
It requires a lot of trust. And so what that
means is when some when a student athlete and their
family app lies to transfer, let's call it a receiving
school versus the sending school. The school that they're trying
to transfer to is called the receiving school. So they
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go to the receiving school, give their their AD and
head coach their intention. It's like, I want to transfer here,
what what do I do? So that ad and head
coach starts the paperwork process, right, and so the GHSA
relies on that staff, that administration locally at the receiving
school to vouch for or to verify all the information,
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including whether or not a bona fide move has taken place. Now,
in the perfect world, right, guys, in the ideal world,
that is a perfect solution, because you know, these.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Are our administrators.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But we've seen from past experience that sometimes people just
aren't as honest or sometimes they make mistakes that kind
of stuff because there is no enforcement mechanism to look
over their shoulder to hold someone accountable. So that's why,
you know, some of these things hit the headlines when they.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Become more high profile.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So when does the GHSA guys actually get involved? And
so let's say the school verifies this, they boldified transfer,
So when does the GHSA get involved? That is, if
another school system files a formal complaint with the GHSA,
that's when the GHSA kicks in their enforcement mechanism and
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does the investigation themselves.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So that really is lear just explained. I mean, that's
the only way you're going to have any action initiated.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah. Yeah, so the leave it like the local. They
kind of leave it locally, right in the hands of
like the local.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah yeah, that's correct. Until yeah, because there's just no
way enforcement to get out and and check to make
sure that it's legitimate. So you know, again, as I mentioned,
over two thousand transfers a year, and what's driving the
transfer situation. Okay, look, if I know Larry had put
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out then put his thoughts out on his Facebook page,
and I'm gonna let Larry talk a little bit about that, Mazzanie.
It's kind of getting up to speed. Now onto the
transfer situation. It basically, if you follow high school football,
it's impossible to ignore. And let me go back and say, Florida,
the state of Florida really started this, this this thing
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of transfers. I guess about five six years ago, and
I may may be off base, it may be longer,
not as long, but anyway, Florida came out and said, look,
you can transfer to whatever school you want to, whenever
you want to. Basically no limitations. Okay, And people in
Georgia were kind of kidding and joke and say, man,
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it's the wild wild West in the Sunshine State. Well,
let's fast forward a few years later. Be honest with you,
it ain't. George ain't too far removed from what has
happened and what has happened in the state of Florida, guys,
because again, there's just too many people, too many transfers
occurring to be able to properly police what's happening. So
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that being said, do we have a problem. That's debatable,
But I can tell you there's a lot of schools,
and I mean, as we speak, there are some schools
that have lost really good football players, players that were
key to their season. You know, one of these coaches
is a friend of mine and he lost his quarterback
and now it's yeah, yeah, absolutely, and so I just
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you know, I don't like it for for that reason.
But again, the other side of the coin is what
are you gonna do about it? If a young man
or young lady. Of course, we're talking about high school
fotball right now. If a young man wants to leave
a school and go to another school to better himself,
the parents are making a bona fide move, you know,
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for jobs and the homes and all that. If they're
making a bonifi move and the young man wants to
go and improve his you know, maybe ability to get recruited.
Whatever the reason may be, how can you really argue
against a transfer And they're in with kind of where
the problem lies.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So I don't think anyone has an issue with a
transfer per se. What they have an issue is the
word transfer. I promise if you if you had a
phone or a machine that you entered a word into it,
on the other side of it, that word would morph
to recruiting. That's what everyone thinks a transfer is nowadays,
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believe it or not. Now, there's two sides to it.
If you are beneficial, if you are going to benefit
from the transfer right, no.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
One's got an issue with it.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
This is one of those situations where my neighbor is sinning,
but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yep, right, yep. And so if you.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Are part of a school system or your team is
receiving a D one no miss.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
QB, you're all for it, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But if you are the part of the program that
is losing that QB or having to compete with that
stud QB next season, then you're convinced it's got to
be recruiting. So that's that's the issue because everybody, guys,
everybody wants what's driving this whole issue is everybody wants
fairness at the end of the day, right, they want fairness.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
So what's fueling this.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's probably either a lack of winning championships and people
want to put a blame on something. Were our team's
not winning championships because that team over there, they've got
the deck stacked against me because they're recruiting and I'm
not allowed to. It's that kind of stuff that drives this.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Everybody just wants fairness, and that's what the GHSA is
wrestling with.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, what can what can schools do to because I know,
I feel like players transfer for numerous reasons. Of course
playing time, you know, and then of course everybody wants
to win. But what about the schools culture, you know,
or the the culture on the team. You know, if
you feel like you don't belong or you feel like
it's being unfair, you know, how can schools kind of
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fix their programs internally to where they can keep more
athletes and not make them want to transfer.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, so that's that's a great question, very very astute
question there.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, and again I mean to jump in here, but
to answer your question, Mazanie, you know there's some players
who leave winning programs.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And again it gets really deep here and we'll get
into the conversation, especially when and when coach live joins.
Just you know, one of the issues is what's happening
in the off season. Let me explain. So I've just
written a story and I believe it should maybe come
out in this week's newsletter or our online newsletter. By
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Every week we do a two during football season. Anyway,
I just written the story about these off season activities
seven on sevens, the ot as, the the organized team activities.
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And why do I bring these up? Well, the seven
on sevens have apparently become a breeding round for recruitment.
They they are that is not necessarily coaches. But you
know you've got let's say seven school whatever, five schools
at a seven on seven passing camp. Well, Johnny, and
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I'm just using these hypothetical names. Johnny Jones goes over
to wide receiver Preston Smith says, hey, man, you know, look,
you and I would be great. I've sent there, watched
you in the seven on seven today. You and I
would team up and be great. We'd have a chance
to take our teams to the state title. Yeah. Again,
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this is completely hypothetical.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So as I say, maybe like players even have a
part to play in possibly recruiting. And I'm putting that
in air quotes.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, which is what That's what I mean, that's the
that's the exactly the you know, the the hypothetical scenario
that I'm talking about. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
Is where the player will come over and say, hey,
I love you know, I've seen you play today, I've
been watching you all afternoon. You and I would be
great together. Why don't you consider transferring to my school?
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You know? Yeah? And Johnny says, amen, I think that's great.
Let me talk to my mom and so. And that's
how some of these transfers come about. Okay, where the
player may be perfectly happy where he's at, the team
may be doing well, but hey, the player player A,
has successfully recruited player B. Now, again, that's just one
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and I have no examples of that, although I do
know that and I can and again in my story
of seven on sevens, I talk about how that is
one of the issues that's wrong with seven on seven
in addition to players, you know, risking injury, developing bad habits. Yeah,
that's a different conversation though for a different day. But
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just saying that, that's another way, another reason and another
scenario where players can transfer or be led to transfer
even if there's no issues and that's kind of what
you were you were going with how can you best
improve a culture within the team. There may not be
anything wrong with it necessarily, So.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Anyway, Phil, let me, let me, let me mention this,
because it does happen. I think you'd have to be
naive to say that recruiting doesn't happen in these seven
on seven circuits, right, So I would say two things.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
To that coaches out there. If you have a player.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That is on a seven on seventeen, you better be
monitoring what's going on with that seven on seventeen because
I promise you your players being recruited.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Well they I saw a comment somebody's also saying it's
not just you know, basically recruiting at seven on seven,
but a lot of these athletes are friends with with
each other on social media and that could have a
lot to play into it as well. So I just
can't really monitor what goes on with their after the media.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And Sly coached Sly when he joined us here in
just a little bit, He's will be joining us via
the the Pepsicola Hotline from northeast Atlanta from Millton High School.
He is gonna talk a little bit about that the
social media aspect. So you're right. So it's the seven
on seven. It's it's really any ability opportunity for players
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to communicate with each other. It's where a lot of
this is coming up. But Zarmi, why don't we check
out who's online and who's checking out the show?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, so I see some comments here in One was funny.
I saw Stephen k Winn. He said g H s
A's verification process was wherever Rush is coaching and winning
looking there. He said, nothing else matters.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That step we have.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Jerry Harrison says, you only have four years. You have
to get on the field somewhere. And that's true. That
plays That plays a part in like I said, people
wanted to get playing time, you know, and being I
guess you could say I treated fairly well.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And let me touch on that. And who was that
the Senate Jerry Harrison. Yes, Jerry Harrison, by the way,
famous musician for the Talking Heads. Jerry, great to have
you checking in. I'm just kidding. That's his name anyway.
So so here's the issue with that, Jerry, you actually
and for you guys and Mazani, I know that you
know you're kind of still learn a little bit about this.
(20:07):
Let me tell you about this. So in Florida there
are several kids players. There are all kids to me,
So there are several players who will play at a
different school every year.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's just like that in college. It's just like that
in college too.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, but here's four years and you're playing for four
different schools. Yeah. So again kind of goes back to
what we were just talking about. Not there's anything wrong,
I mean, how can you figure it out? You're not
there long enough.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah. I was gonna say, how do you give yourself
time to fit in?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Exactly? So who else we got this on?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Tim Nestman says, what's more interesting is how many are
coming from other states now, not just in Georgia to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You know. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Rossell Sutherland said. It seems like some of the off
the beating path schools are the ones that get busted it,
but the known ones are left alone. Look at Alexander
High School a few years ago. Do you guys remember
any of that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I don't remember that one. Alexander's up in Douglasville. What
happened there? Who brought that up?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Roster? Sutherland can you give us more information on that.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, Roster, what's happening?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Thanks so much for checking in. Ross. I know you're
excited about your myriad of blue devils, but tell us
what's going on with that particular example of Alexander located
there in Douglasville and faint. I think that's Douglas County's
newest high school. So you've got Alexander, you got Chapel Hill,
you've got Douglas County High School. Of course, I think
there's one more.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
But anyway, yeah, oh, but I he made an interesting comedy.
Well he has a question. Actually, he says, do y'all
think Gabe Harris junior move was a bona fide move?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Boy, I've been a much debated and much talked about.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Now he was the kid that moved from Thomas County
Central to that's.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Correct, and that was yeah, that's when that way, and
that was one of the very first cases, if I
remember correctly, Larry and Mazani that where you had transferred
being in question.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, so here's here's the big deal about. I'm glad
you brought that up, not not. I won't say whether
it was or wasn't. But the thing about transfers when
they happen down here. These teams down here basically police
each other.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yes, I've seen that in the whole conversation with the
North Georgia South Georgia. It's mainly like South South Georgia
teams telling their you know, they're telling each other, that's right.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So that's part of the honor system that the GHSA
has put in place. Pure accountability, yes, okay, but many
would claim that it is so rampant in the metro
schools that they just do not tell on each other
what they do to the extent that they do that.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
That's a really good point, very good point. I love it,
love it.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
We got the house, Joshua Chase the guardtow he says.
Phil Jones and LG Live and Living Color one third
of the Viking Nation checking in.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Mike Baxter, Michael Baxter, good evening, Phil and Larry. Don't
forget Mazannie. Listen, let's not get If it ain't for Mazzannie,
we don't go.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
In there, thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Jerry Harrison says, money wins it. Do you guys think
it's all about money?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Of course, it's about money.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I would like to think not sometimes at least I
hope not. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Now another issue which I don't think is a big
deal or big issue at all, but is n I
l you know, if you're getting nil money, which listen,
as I had predicted when this whole nil thing first
really rare, its ugly head. That's what I think a
lot of people were expecting. High schoolers in Georgia hang
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on saying, but we're coming right to you. Let me
finish this thought, and we'll come right to you, my friend.
So you had I think a lot of players were
expecting to cash in on nil, right, which I agree
with that. Yeah, and it happened or hasn't happened. Now
it just may be a little slower to materialize. Yeah,
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but I just don't really know that it ever will
not on a larger scale.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I feel like it goes athletes more of a reason
to be more president on social media now.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt they're gonna still listen, They'll still
chase it, Yeah, no doubt about that. I just don't
know you'll have the bigger, big name athletes Julian Juju Lewis,
for example. Yeah, Carrollton, you know, he kind of is
the poster child. And I don't mean that in a
bad way, but he was the poster child for high
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school NIL in Georgia.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
In fact, something Slige I talked about was, you know
you probably had Juju Lewis responsible for the whole reason
is a initiated the n I L Name in likeness
rule for it to move forward in Georgia. I mean
because if he had not, if that had not happened,
Juju Lewis goes to California, Yeah, to play high school football.
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And yeah, we do not want our athletes, student athletes
to get away. All right, without further ado, Now, let's
welcome in the fourth leg of this stool. Of course,
I'm talking about the former longtime athletic director of Milton
High School up there in northeast Atlanta. Oh, how I
missed you, Milton. But anyway, I want to welcome in Sly,
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coach Sly joining us. Sly, how's it going brother.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
This evening?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You'll have an advantage here because I can't hear. That's okay,
that's okay.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
All right, I want I want you all transcribe for you.
So Sly says, hello, how y'all doing this? Evening.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I wish, I wish you have to HiPhones for your phone.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
What's that now?
Speaker 3 (26:02):
If you have headphones for your phone?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, I've got I've got headphones.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
No, that's okay. I do want to and hear me probably,
so you know, I found something in the ghs A
bylaws that I'm gonna throw out there and maybe.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Coach Sli could address this.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And because we were talking about the possibility of recruiting
happened at these seven on seven tournaments.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Okay, now, uh.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
This this is a I wouldn't say a loophole, but
it is a a minutia of for those in race cities.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yours where done from the word minusia.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. So uh So, the part of
the minutia of this h g hs A bylaw that
concerns this area of recruiting and undue influenced guys has
there's a big part in that bylaw that talks about.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
The role of boosters and undue influence.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Sure, okay, so let me read out these two sections
to you and get your comment about this.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Says evidence of undue influence includes, but is not limited to,
personal contact with coaches.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Boosters or other.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
School personnels discussed participating in athletics upon a proposed transfer. Now,
so then it goes on to define who a booster is.
It's not who you think it is. Okay, So here's
what according to the bylaws, here's what a booster is.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Okay, a booster shot they give once you've had your
initial COVID.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
A booster shall be considered to be an extension of
the school and must abide by all the rules applied
to coaches and other school personnel. The following persons or
groups may be considered boosters, members of the schools, booster club, students, alumni, parents, guardians,
or relatives of a student or former student. So that
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word student is also a student athlete because they're a
student first. So these student athletes that are on these
seven on sevens recruiting someone to come and play for
their school is violating this bylaw. And so now the
person that's being recruited, if that certainly happens, and the
person that student athletes doing the recruiting could get into.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Trouble because of this.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Oh wow, yeah, that is a that's very hard to prove,
but if it's ever proved, it's written right there in
the bylaw.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
All right, So Sly, you've and you and I talked
a little bit about this earlier today, Sly, we still got.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
You right, ye, all right, so I.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Want to give you a chance to offer your opinion
on this and again now you know we're talking about
the whole recruiting situation. You and I talked a little
bit about it today, and by the way, I do
want to go ahead and put this out there. We
all know Sly is affiliated with one of the more
successful schools and teams in Georgia, Milton, Okay National champions
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last year, State champions last year, back to back state champions.
Never heard of them, I know now. With that, obviously,
Milton has been in the cross heres of a lot
of controversy and discussion about this, and that Sly is
completely comfortable talking about this. You're not going to hurt
his feelings. But always remember, guys, be fair about what
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you're talking about. And uh, we've alreadyhead this issue raises
up god head at one point before that issue has
been resolved. So uh, Sli, talk to us about this. Man,
what do you think is it as bad as we're
making it out to be? Uh? As much to do
about nothing. Is it a big nothing burger? Where do
you come down on the whole transfer issue as is
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prevalent here in the state of Georgia.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Well, you know it's going to happen no matter what.
It's gonna happen, happen in any sport, not just football.
It's it happened in band, happened in circus, that happened
in different opportunities.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
It's also going to happen and any team.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Just because the teams wouldn't successful, the mean they're recruiting
or they're getting transfers, however you want to put the verb,
but it's the same token. There's teams out there and
aren't very successful that are getting people to move into
their schools for other reasons as far as uh, the
community or whatever. So here's my point, and I know
we had a great point earlier about the whole seven hons.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
The bottom line is you have to police your program
as an ad. It's exhausting.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
That's why I'll be honest with You have to do
it for twelve years, thirteen years, and the pestilely in
the school as big as ours.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's nice down to be out of a clone garm
my third year and now being.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Involved in the mill of it all because at the
end of the day, it's exhausting to really put a
fence around the program and protect your program. And now
with the extension of that fence into seven seven, but
since that camps are happened, right, all these different things
going on. It's a great point. There's all opportunities out
there now for kids talk with you. But at the
end of the day, kids are going to talk to
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each other. So how do you prove that? How do
you not prove that if a parent kid or his
family school because it's a great academic school, it's a
great athletic school, it's a great community.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Right, you just got to try to do it the right.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Way and polish your school the best way you can
and protect your program. I always, as an ad wanted
to protect a student that that was coming to our
school forever sport it may be, and protect our school
and our program first and foremost.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I got you. Let's let's go to the some of
the comments. I know a lot of you have got
comments about this issue is a hot button topic. It
is talking about transfers and the good I guess we
can say the good, the bad, and the ugly, and guys,
I want you to keep an open mind because at
the end of the day, transfers and listen and this
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is it's all in how you perceive things. Okay, transfers, Well,
just don't look at it as the as the big,
you know, scary monster. Instead, why don't we focus on
the opportunities that it gives student athletes if they're unhappy
with one particular school for whatever reason. If it's athletic based, hey,
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may God forbid. What about a kid maybe being bullied
or something? Sure, I mean, you know, there could be
a myriad of reasons why a young man wants to
see Again, gotta keep saying that it could apply to
a female as well. Okay, but we're talking about mostly
high school football. Well it's pretty much high school fotball,
so you know there very few females. Okay, so let's
just call it males. So you got these young men
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that are transformed. It could be for a myriad of reasons.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And for that bad leadership.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It could be anything. So for that, you know, it
could be or it could be a welcome and we
want to say that it's it's good to have the
opportunity to transfer. So that's one way of looking at
I just want to throw that out.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So I saw an interesting comment by Michael Kilber.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Let's read some of these off.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, he said Grayson doesn't have any money, but kids
keep transferring in. Parents want to win and put their
kids in the best position to go to college. And
then also Joshua Chase all that, Yeah, Joshua Chase a
Garante replied back and says, no, at my bad. Let
me see here. He says, whatever you gotta tell yourself, bro,
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that's like saying, Ohio State isn't paying players. We all
know what happens. But I thought you also made a
great point. Michael is saying Grayson doesn't need to recruit.
They come because the program does a good job at
putting their kids into college. What do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Listen and sly, We're gonna go to you, Larry, I
wants you to answer this to Look, that's kind of
hard debate, kind of hard to argue that point. Which point, well,
if a young man wants to go to a school
and that's whena gave him a better opportunity to be Yeah, yes,
I agree to be seen by a college recruiter, I mean,
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how are you gonna Yeah, it's gonna be touch pretty
pretty much. Have to argue that. But anyway, so Larry,
I know you're unable to hear, So Larry, give us
your point of view and then let's go to slaw. Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So I've been pretty consistent with this over the years.
I do not have a problem with transfers at all,
because there are legitimate reasons why people transfer. And you know,
I'm never ever going to come down on a family
that wants to.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Better their kids situation.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I mean, if that means that, hey, we want to
go to a school that's more high profile because that
we know they have more D one coaches that come
in and out of that program to observe other kids,
and I want to see those coaches see.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
My kid too. I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
The issue I think for me and many others is
the undue influence and recruiting that many suspect is going on.
You're not initiated by the parent or the kid, but
initiated from a program.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yep. Okay, so I think that's where people but.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's very difficult to draw the line where one ind
begins in the other end, or one ends and the
other begins right. And so it's gotten to the point
where the the GHSA is taking this And that's what's
really what is fueling this conversation, guys, is because the
GHSA starts keeps addressing this every two years, because every
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reclassification cycle it seems like they're trying to address this
one because they tried to do it through a multiplier effect.
They did a two point zero multiplier for out of
his own kids, and then they uped that the three
point h trying to I guess, penalize some of the
smaller schools from having more kids disproportionately more kids from
out a district, and so they tried to move them
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up hoping that would kind of stem the tide, but
it hasn't, and now they're talking about it again. That's
why they're introducing this competitive balance concept that looks like
it's probably going to be shelved, but it's still a
hot button topic because the GHSA is still wrestling with
this topic.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yep, Sly, I know you've been very very patient. Why
don't you give us your take on this?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
No, great, great commentary, great conversation, and I can say
this the way that look at the end of the day,
I think Larry's right, Like you know, kids are gonna move.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Things gonna happen because people want to better their children.
They're gonna try to do that.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
What I think needs to be done is and Georgia
Axon cannot do it themselves. They cannot sit here and investigate.
They're not the resources to do it. Every school and
look at a lot of people don't do what we did,
and other schools don't do what other schools do.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
But I can tell right now what we did when
I was a D.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
There was and I'm sure there's a D right now
still does it when a young lady comes to your school,
minute they get there before that foe down doing a
house check. Okay, the house check being done to make
sure a they're a bona fide moving the whole family
lives there, not just yet one crush in the bathroom
and nothing, no food refrigerator. I'm talking about a bona
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fide house. I'm talking about does that house belong to anybody?
And your poor gonna best of your knowledge with our
apartment and it shouldn't. See right, we take pictures and
put them on five and send them down with the
form B. Well beyond, if you're moving and you're selling
your house, I'm enolest number on your house you're selling,
to make sure it's actually on the file market. If
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you do all that and the young man the young lady
still come at that point, it's a bona fide moon
unless somebody find something.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Else outside of your scope of your investigation.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
If that makes I think, if we start all start
doing that, and other schools start doing that as well,
you're gonna mitigate some of the issues. Now, what Larry
said earlier at the great point, undo influence. To me,
it's like this, I'm a retired cop. This only conduct
you ever hears arrest?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
This only conduct? What does that really mean? That means
somebody got out of the street and he took you
to jail.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Right well, undo influence is just only conduct to the
Georgia High School.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
It's a cat doll. It's a very big gray area.
It's hard to enforce.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
What's supposed to do is make you a be careful,
a fear, be fear, and then see police yourselves accordingly.
Just like it's like that those on the street itself.
Don't have to fool right, you don't go to jail.
So I think if you look at all that together,
that analogy makes your sense to you guys, I think
that's what we need to do more of.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
M Yeah, that's just a comment that you know that
popped up while you guys were talking and Justin Kyle Haley,
he says it's easy to prove in most cases, as
the g hs A cared take a look when a
player transfers where he lives, if it is owned by
a booster or his company, should and it should be ineligible.
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He says that happens NonStop and is public knowledge.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
So that's.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Justin has a really good point hold on.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
So I will come right back to you, buddy, where
were kind of Larry had a little bit of a
disadvantage that he can't hear you. But Larry make your comment,
we'll come back to slot.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Justin has a good point, but I would push back
on that just a little bit, saying that just you know,
they're especially in smaller towns, many of the boosters are
business people and they own a lot of things, including
rental property and things like that.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
So just because someone moves.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Into a rental property that a boostoroms doesn't necessarily mean
there's recruiting. But I'm also in a dependion where there's smoke,
there's probably fire yep. So that's probably enough to initiate
an investigation. I don't think you're going to find most
of the time that there wasn't doing it, but you
may find some there, and so I would agree to
them probably nine percent of the way.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
So yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, no, great, No, great point, Larry. And here's my point.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
I can't see the comments, and that's what I was
trying to tell you guys earlier. That's a great comb
but a viewer. I love the common the viewers are
putting in there.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
And we double.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
Checked on the house checks. We checked their rental contract, right,
we check what's an apartment. We checked with the landlord department. Hey,
is the rental contractors is on one family living here.
You can see when you get to the house who's
living there, right, And I think that's the way to
hopefully mitigate some of that as well, because the end
of the day, you're as an ad or the gateholder
your school. It all goes through you come, we're going,
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and you need to take that responsibility on. So I
think it's important to take it seriously. Are you ever
gonna stop it?
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Every sin? No, but you can at least make it
to where people do it the right way, right, I
think that's hard.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
I do a great point by the small town uh
what Iris said as far as business owners, but in
metro Atlanta, if if if if somebody knows that house
or has that house something, then there's something wrong, I think.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
And that's when you got to see.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Did y'all hear about that QB and all Bennie? Somebody
mentioned that?
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, I see the comment. You know, there's some people
pushing back about that. I've never heard. I haven't heard
about it. But you read about it if you, I
mean you read if you.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Don't think, Yeah, John just saying justin made the time.
He says, how about the QB from all Bennie that
transferred to cal Clit last month? Someone's turned him in
and now he's being investigated. So what's I was gonna say,
what's his name?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
But well, I don't know. And like I said, that's
first I've heard of that, you know. So I'll do
some follow up on that.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
But maybe Slack can answer a question for me regarding
not kind of indirectly.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Related that uh so slide.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
When it comes to the GHSA get involved. Does it
require a a member school of the GHSA to file
a formal complaint or can anyone in the public file
that complaint?
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Anybody can follow the complaint. Anybody can contact Georgia School
today And that's that's that's what happens. People just give
these anonymous complaints out there. But but they'll they'll look
into it, and they'll come to you. And you have
to this Friday to do a house check or this
Friday to prove that they live there, or this Friday
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to prove that.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
They moved and there's a bona fide move. Whatever they're
asking you to do, uh you have to do. And
we've done that to pass with them.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
I'll be honest with you, I've done the passing ad
numerous times and different situations and all came back fine.
So yes, percent, anybody can do not just a member
of school. Buddy can contact them via email or via
lines and they'll take the information. Now, they will investigate
it because there's enough resources. But they'll make you or
the county a d and you're County investigating with you,
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which happens more often than not, which is fine, that's great.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
You're use your boss go together and look into it.
But yeah, that's not usually happens.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
That's interesting. I think I heard enough to hear what
he is.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
All right, guys, So I got some some personal comments
coming in from uh a coach or two that I
know who and I'm you don't have to say their name, no,
And I just want to make sure that he's okay
with me talking about this. See he says, you know,
the GHS, the GHS A can't control can't control it
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at all. And yeah, he said, you can use my comment,
don't touch it on me. I'm not a coach says
they can't control it at all, and then they try
to bust us little schools to scare everybody. So you
know there's a lot of that going. Well, so this
is one and I know this gentleman, well, a great,
great gentleman, and thought, so here's the thing about it.
(43:11):
So you've got a lot of different opinions, You've got
a lot of personal involvement. Yeah, you've got schools that
have been involved, that have been affected by That's what
I was saying earlier, you know, what's good for one
school is bad for another, right, vice versa. So you're
going to get a lot of different perspectives on this.
(43:34):
So who in the end is going to say who's
to say, well, it's right or it's wrong, that's right?
Follow me? So who was it that said earlier if
your school that you was talking about, if your school
benefits from a transfer, hey man, it's all good. I mean, well,
that's just natural. You know.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
It's the same principle that comes when we elect our
public officials.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Right, Let's say, are.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Our us come We all complain, complain about those other
congressman and senators from other states that are wasting so
much of our taxpayer money, but when our.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Guys bring money back to our districts, we love it. Right,
So it's the same principle. Yeah, So this particular coach
also tells me that he said several investigations. Now, and
let's talk about this part of it, okay, because I
know where he's going. So you've also got coaches who
(44:33):
aren't let's just face it, they get tired of losing
to a particular school. Sure you know where I'm going
with this, right, They get tired of losing to a
particular school. Hey, man, you need Jesus say yeah, this
is this is coach Jones, completely hypathetical.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
I'm not this is your last name, by the way.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, that's my last name, coach Coach Jones. Here, listen,
you really need to go over and investigate those folks
over the there it's Central and again I'm just using
Central there hympothetical. No, no, send no real school by
the name of Central. Am I referring to here? Make
sure everybody involved is where that you go over and
check those guys. It's at the City Central High School.
(45:13):
Well why is that? Goes man? They got illegal trans
so you get a lot of that. You know, Jesus,
GSA enforcement. We're here to see you, so you get
a lot of that. Now, sometimes where there's smoke, there's
not necessarily fire following. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely so sly yeah,
(45:35):
get your thoughts on that. I mean, I guess you
would call that the vindictive part of this whole scenario.
And are you aware of some of that going on?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
Oh yeah, that's going I'm looking everybody. Everyb hits a
winner and yep, if you're winning, you must be cheating.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
And if you know, if people are coming to your school,
you must be cheating. If people leave our schools because
you're taking them out because we're not protecting them, we're
not improving, or not to work on our athlete. You
get all that, and I look at I've been there
some of those schools when it's happened, when people were
you know, we're losing athletes. So the school part of
what happens this day and age. Unfortunately, I can see this.
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I had doctor Hines on my first guests on behind
the Bench after I retired my first guests for forty
five minutes, we spoke and we have a real leg
work relationship and it's a major relationship that we go
back as friends through good and bad times together because
you're trying to work for the common good of the kids.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
I think Buddy can work in Georgia.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
High School that way, then you know the new the
new executive director.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
And if ads get that and coaches.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Quit To your point, Phil, if coach Jones that's at
City Central, by the way, they suck normally kidding, Uh,
if coach Jones at City Central would could talking about
these other schools and just work on their program like,
you know, how about one of your own ground.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Right well with Annie talked about that early on, you know,
was talking about the culture with Donne j of their school. Yeah, well,
go ahead a line.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
Yeah, just have about water road grass, you know, take
care of or call that coach up directly. I've called
numerous coaches and ads when I was a d and
had Frank com But guess what, some of those guys
who are great friends now because you worked through some
tough conversations, right and and and you're working for the
common good of the kid. So I think that's what
it kind of comes down to my eye.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
You are watching Extra Points with Phil Jones, But obviously
there's a lot more than just Phiel here. I've got
Larry god One who joins us from time to time. Larry,
of course has his own show, The Viking Nation, which
you can see on what.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Nights, Yeah, on Thursday ninth, seven o'clock normally most of
the year. Now, we've taken a break during the football
offseason for the last probably two and a half months,
restarted pretty soon as springball quickly approaches. Okay, very good,
So all you Viking fans out there, be patient. We're
kind of we're gonna be returning here pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Larry does a good job with that. And listen to
don't let the name fool you because Larry will talk
a lot, a little bit about well actually a lot
about same format that we adopt here, right. I mean
you'll you'll, you'll go outside the lounges for football family,
but definitely uh centered toward lown side football, all right.
And also Mazzonie Matthews aka miss the Producer. I said,
(48:26):
I got you. They said, oh wow. Anyway, so we
have a ZIONI and then we got to coach Sly
on the line with us on the PEPSI hotline checking
in from northeast Atlanta, Myles stomping arounds, which I certainly
missed it so much.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
Phil, I have a solution, yes, okay, so solution to
what a solution to uh competitive balance slash transfer slash
recruiting that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Oh wow, Yeah, you're never going to stop recruiting as
much as you try to enforce.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, it's here to say.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
The GHSA has so many schools that are so diverse
in nature, from the small one A school all the
way up to the six A school that's a big
three four thousand student population, right, so there's no one
size fits all. So I think either you start adopting
rules specifically for you know, football is a little bit different,
(49:24):
so you maybe it's time to start adopting different transfer
slash recruiting rules depending on the class that the school
system is in. Right, that is one possible solution, And
then another possible solution is Phil what do you and
coach Lot what do you guys think about creating an
(49:45):
open division? So, if you're a school that consistently gets
these top tier D one athletes that either transfer legally
into your program or are is being recruited, to me,
it doesn't matter at this point if you're a big
school that has a disproportionately large number of D one schools,
to me, it would seem like you would want to
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compete against the best of the best.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Well, okay, so let me let me touch on this
and slide. Don't they had they enacted that in Florida?
Speaker 5 (50:16):
Yeah, Florida started the full Metro Championships because of popular.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
So, so I'm not breaking new ground here. Other associations
are adopting this.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yes, yes, so Florida has has done that that's right.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
So let people belong to their regular regions during the
regular season, but when those playoffs come, split some of
these top tier programs that are loaded with D one
al into an open division and let them duke.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
It out for their own state championship. Yeah, and so
again slide, I'm gonna defer to you on this. Now,
So when did they put that in place?
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Florida put that in place. I want to say three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Okay, so what is it What does that refer to?
So is that they had they do? Like Larry is saying,
do they have their own playoff system? Do they have
their own state champion crown? And if so, what is
it called?
Speaker 4 (51:09):
So great question, I'm not that well versed.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
I know that I wish Matt de Buck was on it,
but I know that they have the metro because South Florida.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Is there's so many UH populations, so high.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
They're compared the role central roles that they break it apart.
And I do think they actually have their own playoff
UH system and now their own championships, not like Tallai, California,
where it's in sections, but it's basically metro and rural championships.
I don't know the name of it, but I know
they've been into it a few years ago. Some people
were totally against it, some people love it. I wish
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I was I was more well versed on it, but
I don't.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
Larry.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
You know, it's not a bad thought process at all.
Anything you can do the possibility.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Level of play, yes, would be great.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, you know, I think it's time for the GHSA
to start trying to think out of the box a
little bit, to try to customize a solution instead of
a one size fits all because, like I said before,
the State of Georgia's GHSA population member schools.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Are so diverse in nature.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
You got a school like Charleston County, tiny little school
in Irwin County, time little school that has to live
by the same rules that a Lownges Park View and
Milton have where we have a different student population, a
much larger school system, where we have advantages that they
don't have advantages.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Right, So I think.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
It's I think it's time for the GHSA to start
thinking of outside of the box solutions, like applying some
of these different rules to different classes.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
Yeah, and I think if they had a committee, and
maybe they already did, it for it, but they had
a committee not just for the executive board or for
the members of Georgia High School as far as at
war members. I'm talking he maybe bona fide committee of
ads and even coaches that are ill respected at every
level they can bring in and talk about this and
get some thought process like you're saying, or think outside
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the boom.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
So you know, one of the things they keep wrestling
with over and over and over again.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
I'm talking about the GHSA.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
One of the things they keep wrestling with and the
reason why they contracted from seven classes down to six
and some of the things they other things they do
is to try to you know, target travel distance and
travel costs. That's not going away, right, So everybody sees
that the costs keep going up, especially if they start
trying to feed players eggs and the costs keep going up. Right,
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that was meant to be a joke, misg Yeah, So
why don't they think outside of the box and apply
a solution like you know, uh, you know, targeting like
two classes that are very similar in size, like for example,
a Region one six A and a Region two five
A very similar schools down here in South Georgia, separated
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by one class, why not just allow those two or
maybe even mandate those those two regions to kind of
couple each other with each other during the regular season
and let them play inter region or inter class.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Like that to address travel costs, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
So I think it's time for the GHSA to start
thinking about those possible solutions instead of a one size
fits all, because you know what, a one size is
never going to make anybody happy in the state of Georgia.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
Yeah, I cuche, I well said, And look at at
the end of the day, you know, Buty happy.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
And I think.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
That the more we have, the more boosts in the ground,
have conversations, the people that are really involved in it,
the better we're going to be. If just can't be
done in Thomas and GEORGEA, it's got to be done
by everybody throughout the state at different levels, sitting down
with some representation of people are respected and to get
their input, and I think you can you could possibly
have an interesting solution that will be to your point,
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be beneficial for most people, not everybody of most.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
That's right, that's right. So anyway, that's my two cents
on that.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Now, the other thing that I wanted to ask you about,
and this is a little bit more controversial.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
I got a lot of pushback when I introduced this.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
At a personal levelge the other day, and we started
talking about transfers and recruiting, and that's the you know, coach,
the current model is when a transfer comes into your program,
the GHSA relies basically strictly on the honor code right
where you investigate yourself determined if it's a bona fide move,
that kind of stuff, and the player is automatically ruled
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eligible and that eligibilities is only ever taken away if
someone challenges that kind of stuff. And so what do
you think about This is an a stream solution, I
admit up front, But when someone transfers into a program,
automatically deem them as ineligible for one year, but give
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them and their family a chance to appeal to the GHSA.
So now they have to actually appear before the GHSA
to make a case that yes, this is our documentation
to prove that we made a bona fide move. And
so that allows the GHSA to take a more hands
on approach, but doesn't dramatically increase cost.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Are they going to waste a year doing that?
Speaker 5 (56:34):
Though?
Speaker 3 (56:34):
What do you mean you said, automatically rule them ineligible
for a year?
Speaker 1 (56:39):
Correct, but with the with the exception that they allow
the student athlete and their family to go ahead and
appeal if they want to.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
The process might not last a whole year if they
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Oh no, no, no, no, that they could appeal immediately, right And
if the GHSA says, okay, yeah, we see all your
documentation lines up with whatever you're trying to do with
bona fide move, then now we we are overturning that
and we rule you ineligible. And the point behind an
extreme solution like that, honestly, is to try if you
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show a student athlete in their family that they're not
gonna automatically be eligible, that might be enough to curtail
a lot of this going back and forth just for
athletic purposes.
Speaker 3 (57:22):
So it's just gonna require an investigation every single time.
Speaker 5 (57:26):
Well, I think that's not a bad thought at all, Liars.
I think you may have Georgi high school is enough
time to do all the appointments, because they'll be they'll
be hit with so many hardships.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Sure, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Yeah, it'd be happy every day. And I think that
would be the ody do that.
Speaker 5 (57:45):
I do think if you go ahead and you put
in a maybe a non when you can be you
can't deal with the company, you can't do it in
the region, you can't do in the Try count area
unless you have a hardship heearing. I think something like
that maybe the first layer to mitigate some of this
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moving around between North Fulton and South or moving around
Douglas and Fulton or Henry and Douglas. Sure, yeah, I
think that may be something about but it's not bad thoughts.
I just think anything you propose to Georgia High School,
anybody whoever does it would have to be something that
they could sit there and manage, because they do have
their hands full there and and I know they're good
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guys and the good ladies and they try the best
they can. But I would just think, I just I
just think about now how many heartshipearings they have with
the way the rules are now. If you reverse that,
basically you're reversing the rule. I think those guys we
never seen the light of day. But I don't think
it's a bad thought at all laric.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah, the point is to get another set of eyeballs
on it instead of just having the receiving school follow
the you know, the honor code, because unfortunately, in the
ideal world, that is the perfect solution. But we don't
live in an ideal world, and unfortunately, there are some
dishonest people out there, and you know, it's it's a
shame and it causes a black eye for the entire
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organization when the high profile case hits the newspaper, that
kind of stuff like we've seen in the last several years.
Speaker 5 (59:15):
Oh yeah, it's to the point now where it's really
social media is making it bigger because people saying things
and unfortunately it's canibalocked it coaches another and programs and uh,
you know, I think that's sad too. But the end
of the day, you're right, it's not a perfect world.
We need to put something else in place, and if
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not every two years. To your point, it's in a company,
and it's in a company and it's fun, it's pull
depended off and have this conversation.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, one other, one other possible solution is if you
ever yeah, he can here one other possible solutions we're.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
Having we're having to share the head says Hilarry can
talk to you, so, but he doesn't have the headphones
on now. But go ahead and Larry and talk.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
One of the possible solution if you ever wanted to
go down the rule automatically inviable route is And you know,
I understand the argument where the GHSA doesn't have the
time or the number of appointment slots throughout the day
because of all the transfers every year. What what do
you think about holding those uh those appeal meetings at
the region level. So if the point is to get
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another set of eyeballs on it, let the region decide
if it's a bona fide transfer instead of just the
receiving school.
Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I tell you to your point further, instead of
the region doing it, regionalizing it so instead of having
you know, Aulin Thomason, maybe have Southeast Georgia Southwest George.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I mean, that's a workable solution that's outside of the box.
Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Yeah, And these these to have harsh appearings like that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
Back in the day, they had hardship peerings in regionalized
like that, and they would have one up like maybe
at Brookwood for the for the Northeast area and they
have once a month every six weeks.
Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
I think that thought, right, is a lot more patable.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
All right, guys, a great conversation. I do want to
move on, but obviously this is something you know, It's
one of these things where we can talk and talk
and talk, but at the end of the day, you know,
whether we want to admit there's an issue, a problem,
I think we can all agree that there is no
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solution if that's the right even if that's the right
way to define this, you know. I mean, it's just
because again, some people think it's fine, some people don't.
So it is what it is. I don't think it's
going to go away, but we'll see, we'll keep an
eye on it. I know one thing I'll say this,
I've always really and and sly I think you would
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agree with me. Of course, Robin Hines is not the
act director anymore, but Tim Scott is filled in. Looks
like he's doing a great job. The just say is all.
He's been pretty good on uh and being very receptive
to issues like this. And if there's a way, if
they can find a way to make it work, to
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change it up, they'll do it.
Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
They are they they they really try to uh communicate
and and and try to to do things with within
within their resources. You think outside the box sometimes as
much as I want them to probably point however, I
do think they are doctor Hines, was doctor Scott. I
think a great job as well, you know, and like
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you said, though, there's no perfect dancing for right.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Now now that just as red Justin k that's funny,
that's funny stuff. Justin go At leastaid they's money. I'm
standing outside of TG studio with a coach signed and
a cooler full of coke. But I said, well, hey,
there's Fonsor about Pepsy. Yeah. I think Justin knew that.
(01:03:02):
That's why he said that. Anyway, it's all it's all
good fun and you know, so listen, this is a again.
I knew when we were going to talk about this today,
you know, when we were standing here, and guys, a
lot of times to be amazed. When do we decide
what we're going to talk about on the show. A
lot of times it's like ten minutes before we go
in there. Thank you. I've been wondering about that, is
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h But look, it's just one of them things where
transfers was easy. As soon as I said, hey, let's
talk about the transfer, everybody was like, yes, all in one.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
So see now, the way that I would have described
that feel well, it would have been a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I would have We've been working on this all day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
No, I would have said, listen, out of the all
the topics that we were thinking about talking about tonight
in our four pre planning for the show, that kind
of stuff ten minutes for us before the.
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Ten minutes before the show.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
We never it down because we knew we only had
an hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
That's how I would have So OBD Farley has a
question for coach. Do you see that? Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I see it right. Yeah, it says what advice if
you were head coach right now would you give your
players heading them to this upcoming season as state champs?
Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
That's why, hmm, what advice would give our players now
as are at being defending state champs.
Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Yes, it's a new year, the new team. Now you're
being hunted more than ever.
Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
That's the year up there, and it's about and it's
it's and it's not it's it's kno gonna roll the
ball out and you're gonna win it, right.
Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
So I think our kids know that.
Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
I think anybody that has golf champions it's a blessed
of golf championship. But you have to realize it's a
new year, it's a new set of kids, it's a new.
Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Set of uh, circumstances, and you got to look at
to do it back to back is the same, that's
what we're gonna ask. I was saying to kids, this
year is a third.
Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Year in a row, not to we're to get a
championship third in a row. We had the same mentality.
You just got to be the hunter every year. So
you got to be the hunter.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
And this year will be different because really last year
being targeted this year, people think we're down. Now you're right,
you got people wrong. There's all kinds of things you
can tell your kids, but it has it all blows
to the same theme as it's a different year. If
you think it's gonna be coomd place, steill kill you.
So if your complace, it's not gonna right.
Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
So that was phil That was the one word that
I was waiting for. Coach line complacency. Oh yeah, absolutely,
that is the killer. Whether you're talking about a set
of defending state champion or selling widgety. Right, So when
when you win a title, whether you you win the
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Presidence Club Circle for salesmanship that kind of stuff, or
you just win a state championship or region title, the
hardest job a coach has is not just not to
execute the ex of those because he's already proven that
he's got the team that knows how to execute, right,
But it's the the it's the space between the ears,
it's the attitude that they have approaching the new season,
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because now these kids think that they are the kings
of the world and they can't be touched, and so
complacency is probably the number one enemy.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Well, but again I think that's where and again I'll
go back to Mazani's original statement about you know, why
kids were transfermed, and I know it may not necessarily
you know, answer what we're talking about here, but it
all goes hand in hand. It's about maintaining that solid
culture within you talked about that earlier.
Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yes, it's really important, I think more important than people think.
Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
You know, Oh, haelve percent, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
A really big faturday. It wants to keep kids there.
Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yeah, and I think that applies to this situation with
you know, with with Ben Reeves and Sly, I'm assuming
it would be one hundred percent agreement with me. You know,
look that bulls eye gets bigger and bigger. You know,
one of my favorite sayings, it is my favorite saying.
The higher you go the dinner of the year, it
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gets yes, and that means it gets harder to breathe,
it gets harder to survive, it gets harder for you
to stay on top. All those things are certainly applicable.
And you know, winning a state championship is hard. Winning
back to back state championships are really hard. Yes, Okay,
I just wrote a story on Saint Thomas aquinas seven
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consecutive or is it six anyway, it's a bunch consecutive
state championships. I mean, can you imagine how hard that
is to do?
Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Listen, ye, I'm sure you guys have heard of Bob
latisour right, former head coach of Dalla South Spartans. And
you know, back in the I can't remember eighties or nineties,
that dude had a one hundred and fifty one game
winning streak. Oh wow, So you talking about a guy
that had to fight complacency every single year. Yes, and
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when they finally when they finally lost, what he told
his team was complacency was the problem because they they
came to take winning for granted and they did not,
And the problem the game was lost eventually in the
preparation leading up to that game. So complacency is always
the number one issue.
Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
All right, guys, So let's let's move on here and
talk about a couple of things. So we're talking about state.
They're trying to repeat a state chance. I think this
year may give us the best chance we've had in
a while at seeing one or more repeat state champions. Really, Okay, Milton,
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I'll start with Milton. Milton, they are going to be
a beast once more. Yes, they do lose some critical players.
I think the biggest question that Milton's got to answer
is who replay place is Luke Nickel?
Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Last weekend? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, who's going to replace Luke Nickel? And again, I've
got a story that will be coming out about that
very thing. Replacing the big guns from this past year.
You know, there was a lot of great quarterback play
last year, guys. Luke Nickel, yep, Western Bryan A. J. Hill,
what's his name? Lankford, Christian C. Five right, Julian J. Lewis. So, guys,
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I mean it goes on and I think I just
named what five of your top quarterbacks. So you know,
whoever I think answers that question the best is going
to have a chance to either repeat if they are
state champion, or take a step up. SLI want to
get your thoughts on.
Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
This absolutely starts.
Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
It starts with the quarterback first and foremost quarterback. It
goes to the culture that's been set most of the teams,
as you mentioned with those quarterbacks that are trying to
replacements have great culture in place already. That's why they're there, right,
So I think that's a huge thing as well.
Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
And uh and then finally, look.
Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
At the end of the day, it's it's it starts.
It started in January. It doesn't start in spring. Football
does start the summertime. It starts those kids in the
weight room being humbled, those kids that are playing multiple
sports learn how to compete and growing up.
Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
It starts there as well.
Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
I think people forget that it also starts when like
this past year, I told you four you guys know,
we had nine running clocks and three we're in the playoffs,
so we had a lot of kids get in and
get some playing time.
Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
It starts then for the next year. I think about
as a coach, my.
Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Buddy Flint Dikes, who of course is part of our
ITG next team, says, uh, bully or trust me. They
got a quarterback at Milton, and they got a couple.
Actually they had two good quarterbacks there at Milton. But Flint,
we hear your brother. That's a big part of what
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we do. Chicking in.
Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
I don't think they have anything to worry about.
Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
No, I don't either. I mean I don't even listen though.
I don't think you know, I don't think you're gonna
find another Loot Nickel.
Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
That's true, But we also talked about that last week
about color Sli mentioned you know, you're not really trying
to replace Luton Nickel, but just rather fill that position.
Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Absolutely. So you look at Julian Juju Lewis. We had
a sneak peek last year. Dylan Bishop I think is
the young man's name who came in. You guys remember this.
I think it was it was either the second round
or the quarterfinals of the playoffs when Julian Juju Lewis
goes out with a hand injury. Okay, could not throw
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the football. So you know, wait a minute, was it
a hand injury or was it I think I'm right
about that. Anyway, it was an injury. It kept him
out of play. Let me put it that way. It
was a hand injury, it was okay. So he goes
out with an injury, keeps him out of action. Of course,
what are what are the Carrollton fans thinking? Mostly what
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are the Carrollton opponents fans thinking? We got? Yeah, we
got this will hold the fort not so fast as
Dylan Bishop and I believe that's his name comes in
and does not miss a beat. I think they took
on He'll Grove and destroyed the Hill Grove Hawks. So
(01:12:30):
I say all that to say that it looks like,
unless they bring in a very high profile quarterback, looks
like this job is going to go to Dylan Bishop
for at least a year.
Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
So it's a lot of great football this we got.
Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
We got him now, all right? So what do you
guys think? Yeah, Justin Calhley disconfirmed for me. Yeah, he
had a broken end. Appreciate that. What do you guys
think Joshua Chase guarantee instead of worrying about replacing the talent,
and it'd be more predictive to worry about replacing the production. Well,
I mean yeah, but you know, like with hear what
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you're saying, Joshua. But and the deal with the Luke
Nickel and I've talked about this before. I'll never ever
forget Luke Nickel coming in and it was the second
round playoff game against Colwick County. That would have been Guys,
help me out on that. What was when was that?
Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
So that was?
Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
That?
Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Was that Milton?
Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
It was a lad eight.
Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
It was twenty three.
Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Okay, yeah, twenty three. So Luke Nickel comes in this
to me, in my opinion, was just coming out party. Okay,
not that he hadn't had great games before that. He did,
but that young man and it wasn't as if again
he just came into the game he'd been playing. But
he put that game on his shoulders, but that team
on the sholders. He took over that game, running the
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football as much as throwing the football. And that right there,
that moment his to shine. That's what winners do. Winners
step up when it's time to step up. He did,
and I'll never forget it. And that's why that those
are the intangibles that you've got to replace. So Joshua,
I hear what you're saying about, you know, replacing the production,
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but man, it goes a lot deeper than that. I
get it. At the end of the day, it's all
about production. You gotta score with football. But man, at
the end of the day too, you gotta have You
gotta have a leader, and I think lou Nichol was
as much a leader as anybody Sly you can talk
with that again better than anyone here. I want to
get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Leader.
Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
I mean, that's that's one of his biggest gifts in
quolity has I think is his leadership and competitive age.
Now I do like that comment that that he said
about production, you know, over the talent. I will say this,
if you just don't play and if you truly reprace
the process, more often than not, you'll be finding the game.
Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Whether it's Look at there's teams we beat this year
and you guys know who they are. Are not going to
say their names.
Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
They were scoring thirty forty points above every opponent beat them.
Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Why, Because we.
Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Didn't worry about the score.
Speaker 5 (01:15:11):
We worried about just one game, producing the next play,
pucing the next series, goosing the next quarter.
Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
That's what you need to do.
Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
So the production part to me is not more.
Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
And maybe maybe they're right there, the viewers talking this way.
I look at out as numbers. I look at as
production per play, per series, per quarter, per half, right
and the end of the day, usually the product that
takes care of itself.
Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Well put, well put. So you're talking about again with Milton,
got a couple of good quarterbacks there. They're gonna step
in and they'll have a chance to obviously, uh not
miss a beat. All right, you're talking about Carrollton, which Carrollton,
of course did not win the state title. They're still
looking for that elusive state championship. They'll go in again
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with a very proven backup quarterback who should be the
guy going into this year. We talked about Houston County
again not a defending state champion, but man, what a
great quarterback they had in aj Hill. He's gone. So
after talking with Jeremy Edwards and again, guys, my story
will be coming out on this whole thing that I'm
telling you about who replaces the big guns, and you'll
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be here you can read about me talking about these quarterbacks.
Got the comments from every coach by the way, okay,
including coach Rievees at Milton, Jeremy Edwards at Houston County,
who of course had aj Hill think about that. Yet
they got for four years and he is off to Memphis. Yeah,
you know, and again not a duel threat quarterback. I
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think a lot of people mistaken mistakenly identified him, labeled
him as that. He very seldom ran the pro style quarterback,
so he'll be well suited. He's another Cam Newton kind
of guy without having to run the football. Oh nice, Yeah,
absolutely all right. So then you got Carver, were want
to talk about Carver?
Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
I was just thinking about them because I was going
to ask you who ls do you think has a
great chance of repeating?
Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
So I think Carver, Columbus. You know it's gonna be tough. Yeah,
they very very soft.
Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
They have a lot of return of talent, a lot
a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
I think Grayson has a great shot. They they are
always loaded. I know they're graduating as people, but they're
always loaded. They're just located in one of those just
awesome spots in the state of Georgia right now in
Genett County where they get a lot of people moving
in every single year. We've already talked beat that horse
to death by talking about kids transfer that kind of stuff.
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They're just located in ideal solution. And it doesn't hurt
that they've got a track record of sending kids to
some amazing D one schools, So they're gonna have the talent,
and so I would I would consider them a favorite
to repeat as well.
Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
All right, let's talk about something. A team that's very
close to your heart. That's the Valdosta Wildcats.
Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Say they at so many but I wouldn't say they're
close to my heart.
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
That very close to Mazani's arm. But no talking about
the Lownes Eye Vikings and Joshua Jase Carnto. I get
his name mixed up. You'll just call Chase Chase. That
such a tongue twister, Chase says Phil. Miss my comment.
You know who doesn't have to replace the big gun.
That's Lownes Vikings. The juices here say say so, let
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me tell you Jase Johnson. Johnson what a player. As
crazy as it is to say he's probably the most
overlooked quarterback going into this year. Tell us what people
are missing that they have not seen him playing?
Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Well, you know, if you can, if you can a picture,
if you're a Lownes guy, if you can picture.
Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
The some a kid.
Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
That has the arm strength to throw a beautiful deep ball.
So one thing that has missed has Lowndes missed at
the quarterback position for a number of years. We've you know,
it's no secret that we're we've been a run based
offense first, even when we went to the spread under
random e of Fierson, right, but we were still focusing.
Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
On a run based spread.
Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
So we had some fantastic athletes come through in the position.
I can name Michael Barrett fantastic and we saw what
he did at Michigan. But when you know when he
went to Michigan, you know what, he ended.
Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Up playing linebacker.
Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Linebacker, So we have a fantastic follow up to that
in Michael Barrett two point zero, which was Corey Brown, right,
and so, but everybody recognizes fantastic athlete.
Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Ye probably not a D one pure passer, but he
made up for that with his legs. Right. So he
goes to the college.
Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Level, and he's had some success at the quarterback position,
but not a pure drop back passer. This guy, Jays
Johnson is a pro style passer, right. I know Lownes
doesn't run the pro style offense, but trust me, his
first inclination is to read defenses, look off his rotations
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before he takes off.
Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
See that's a successful quarterback.
Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
That's a successful quarterback. I don't know where I give
the credit to, you know, his family for training. I
give the credit to his genetics. Fantastic kid. You know,
he's what what six chase? Help me if I'm Wrongbert,
I think he's six three, two hundred and fifteen pounds.
He's still growing. He's a rising jew, He's a rising junior. Right,
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and so during this offseason he's been recruited by everyone.
I want to say he's either a three star or
a four star.
Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Officially, he's a three star right now. Three star.
Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
That is when when the camp circuit hits in the summer,
that he's going to be elevated quickly to a forestar,
legitimate four star. He's got the arm strength, he's got
the accuracy. He can hit the intermediate passes, and he's
mobile enough he's not a true duel threat, right, but
he's mobile enough to extend the play.
Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Absolutely, Yeah, Tre says good size, great vision, a true
leader and his teammates love him. Great word ethic.
Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
That's right. So I love my buddy. Obi says question
for coach. So, coach, if y'all repeat who you think
you're gonna repeat again? So you're gonna put that beat
down on? Obadi just throws it out there.
Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Man, I love that question. I can tell you this, Oba,
we gotta get past game one. After you first worry
about that.
Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I knew that was coming. You know, you can't take
the coach out of the athletic director or whatever. You can.
Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
We just nickname Obadiah obi Wan.
Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Well, he is the number one fan because you talk,
So I'm gonna just call him obi Wan.
Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Yeah. I think that's that's perfect. Oh but I you
okay with that? Is?
Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Obviously comes with all respect. All right. So again we're
talking about these top quarterbacks and you know, look, I
think this year is shaping up to be the best
year we have had in a while at having the
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best chance of teams repeating. Now, let's see you had
in the in the in the new class A through three,
a private split. You had you just help me out, Jonathan,
Jonathan Guess his team wonted. Hebyrn Christian shot the world. Okay,
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knocked off the favorite in the Prince Avenue Christian and
did it by a lot. Uh. And of course Jonathan
Guaz does that and takes off to I think South
Carolina and then help me out with another state champions
see worth, we mentioned Carver. Uh who else we got?
Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Didn't Grayson went Grayson? Grayson and Larry said it earlier.
I think Grayson's got the talent to do it again.
I just they're well coached. Man, they are a machine.
And Larry said it, I mean, look you've got there.
You're in that that little zone, that bubble if you will.
As Yeah, this team, with all this talent, has programmed
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all this talent. Adam Carner led them to a state
championship win.
Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
I can't remember when the Garcia kid moved up there.
That's twenty was that was that?
Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
It wasn't twenty twenty one. I cannot remember. I can't either. Hell,
help us out, guys, I mean this should be coming
to us pretty easily. But it's not point being. I
think all the teams that we've talked about have an
excellent chance at repeating.
Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Now you got Toms Toms County.
Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Did they win state time?
Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
I believe they did?
Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Why? All right?
Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
So the teams that won titles last year racing Milton
in five A four A was North Ocony, Calhoun was
three A uh double A was Carver.
Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Columbus, and hebron Christian.
Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Okay, the g H A Single A Division Toombs County,
Bowden was single A Division two, and the g I
s A was Deerfield windsor In blok kumpty, there we go.
Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Forgive its Hughes Liangston.
Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Hughes played for ok Justin cal Haley says, all eleven
on defense? Come back, Justin, how are you talking about?
My man? What sheam you talking about? There? All right, Chase,
you have got you have piqued my interest. He says,
uh uh.
Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Does Piel want my prediction for when Lowndes wins a
state title again?
Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Yes? Hold on, and you guys are going to wrap
it up here and we'll get everybody's final word. But
let's play a little game here with it. Okay, Okay,
Why don't we try to predict what does he go? By? Chase?
Why don't we try to predict what Chase is going
to predict?
Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
That'd be interesting? Okay, wanna play long?
Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Okay, So again the question is from from Chase guarantee.
Why do I think credit card company when I hear this?
Because it's Chase. There we go, Here we go? Does
Phil want my prediction for when Lounges wins a state title? Again? Okay,
I'm gonna get and I do, by the way, but
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I'm gonna guess. But classes Quarbeck.
Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
And he's got two years, so he's a rising junior.
Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Yeah, I'll go. I'll go on a limb and say
next year.
Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
I'm gonna say twenty twenty seven. I think it'll be
his senior year.
Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
If that's what I mean. That's what I meant.
Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Isn't it twenty twenty seven his senior year?
Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Yes, because he's so he's got this year and one
more year. Right, that's right. Okay, that's what I'm mean.
So it's the senior year. So I'm with Mazzani Larry.
Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
I'm gonna say that Chase is going to say in
three maybe four years.
Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Okay, So Chase, what is your answer? Do tell so
Lowndes wins two state titles in the next.
Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Four years, but he said two. Yeah, I think that's
a little bold.
Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
And Carter and the Vikings are going to have all
the pieces in coming years besides the skill, the headhunters,
coaching staff that will get them there. Well, So I
mean if obviously, if one of those is next year,
then we're we're all.
Speaker 7 (01:26:33):
Right, Chase is I know how Chase Chase is looking
at the eighth grade and ninth grade teams and how
they are loaded with studs right now, and he's projecting
for you, justin.
Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Ka Haley, when lowns in Valdosta Combined Schools is when
they'll win the championship. All right, this is the time
when we get our final thoughts. It's seven thirty actually
seven thirty three already pastime, so we get our final thought.
Coach Sla, what you got.
Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
Final thought?
Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
I'm just looking forward to uh spring ball starting, be
hounce with you. I think it's important that we all
get on the field again soon. So it's about, you know,
a little over what a month away right, pretty much
five weeks away for spring ball starts, and we can
really start talking about some real action in the field.
Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
But I appreciate all you guys.
Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Viewers do a great job asking tough questions and you
guys do a great job driving the ship.
Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Thank you, SLA. I appreciate that. Who wants to go next?
Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
I would like to say that it's a great show
as always. Thank you Larry for joining us. Thank you, yeah,
thank you for letting this show.
Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
I'm right amen.
Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
But also you guys make sure you check out our
other content on social media. But also the great story
that Phil wrote about what does remind me of the
school Sat Aquantas Thomas Aquinas High School. It's a great story,
you guys. I read up on it earlier and you
did a great job that if you guys want to know,
like what it takes for a football program to be successful.
Of course we hear from coach Slide every Monday, but
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also the head coach from that high school. It just
tells you that it's deeper than football, it's bigger than football.
So some great words of motivation just for anybody, and
I'll pass it on to Filler.
Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Well Putz not not just got you, you complimented me,
but that is so so true with what he has done.
Roger Harriet down in for Lauderdale.
Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Yeah, you know, Phil, I think you're being modest when
it comes and I understand why because that's just in
your nature.
Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Guys, y'all need to understand.
Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I'm not blowing smoke here, but y'all need to understand
there's there's only a few media organizations nationwide really that
focuses on just high school athletics, and within that genre,
if you will, that classification to focus almost exclusively on
high school football year round is this guy. So if
you love that kind of content, check out the stuff
(01:28:58):
that Phil does other than just do produce this show exactly.
Everyone get into the habit of visiting his uh the website,
the I T G next Facebook page and read the
outstanding written word that this guy puts out.
Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Fantastic job. Thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
No CHATJEPT, Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
What's that? No chat GPT?
Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Yes it's chat Phil Jones, Yes, chat Joe, it's chat PJ.
Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
I am so humble man, Thank you guys for that.
I really do appreciate that. And let me just say
that there's gonna be some changes coming, not in personnel
or anything like that, but we are going to be
going on location to do our show. So again, not
gonna really change anything. We'll still have Slide joining us.
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Larry can come join us. When Larry has an now
an all all time invite, he is he is invited
to do the show with us anytime he wants. So
I just want to make sure that that's on the record.
That's a little nice. And of course he was on
he is going to be with and producing the show.
So we'll let you guys know. But as far as
evening changes, nothing will. We'll still be here with you
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on Monday at our New Time. Bye. By the way, guys,
I want to ask what do y'all think about our
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and you got something? Yeah before you cut yeah, before
you take us out, man, you got it? Listen, I
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want it.
Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Sometimes there's going to take us out of here, guys.
Sometimes coaches watch this show. Sometimes members of the GHSA
watch this show, and I know they have a meeting today.
Probably is already overwhere to talk about reclassification and that
kind of stuff. I think the GHSA needs to answer
one question to guide them in this process so they
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can finally settle this thing once and for all, and
that is what do you want?
Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
You can either try.
Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
To tackle recruiting, which I think we all agree is
impossible to enforce, or you can try to.
Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Level the playing field.
Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
If the answer is try to tackle recruiting to try
to make things fair, you can tackle it from different
ways to do that. But if the true answer to
all your questions is to level the playing field, then
focus on leveling the playing field. And there are so
many good solutions that you can settle on if your
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true intent is just to level the playing field. Competitive
balance is one of them. So for the member schools
that don't like that idea, take a fresh look at
it from the perspective of leveling the playing field. It
may not benefit your school immediately, but it may benefit
ninety five percent of the schools out there.
Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
That is the perspective I think you should take.
Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
If your answer is to level the playing field, then
take a look at other solutions. Maybe bring some of
the enforcement actions back to the region level instead of
having it all at the GHSA level. So there's so
many different directions you can take, but you got to
figure out.
Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
What is it that you want first and I'll leave
it with it well, I said Larry for Larry Godwin, LG.
Mazzani for coach Sly. I'm Phil Jones. You've been watching
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