September 2, 2024 • 59 mins
In this episode of F1 Isn't Real, Amesh and I break down the European double header, to start the Autumn. Is Max Verstappen's championship in jeapordy? Will Colapinto continue to impress? Can Ferrari challenge for the title? All these questions and more are answered on this week's ediition.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hello, and welcome back to F one Isn't Real. I
am your host Ben Webell, joined as always by my
good friend and compatriot amesh v One, and this week we.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Will be dissecting the twenty twenty four Dutch born Prix
as well as the Italian born Prix that just ended
this Sunday and yet another double episode. Ash, I don't
know about you, but I think F one is officially back.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, it definitely is back.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Then the last two races we've had quite an eventful
It's been quite an eventful period with the last few races.
You know, another Landon Iras win, that's too. This season
it was quite underwhelming, I would say though. I mean
there was not as much excitement about it compared To's
first win, and I think that's something I think we
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should reflect on in this episode.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But twenty two seconds, that is it's pretty Unstu is
very big.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, it is big, but I think, you know, it
just goes to show like the development of McLaren and
the lack of development red Bull. But I think even
still we've spoken about this before about London.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Norris him being what what did you call him? Like
a brat? About him being harsh in himself.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And I think even standing on the top step of
the podium and the douchecorn Free, he didn't seem as
as excited as the rest of his fans are.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I think it's not cockiness, but you know something, then
there's a lack of modesty there. No, but what do
you think then?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I like to call it the maxiter step in mindset.
There's no yeah, action in first place in one race.
There's only satisfaction in the true prize, which is the
World Drivers' Championship at the end of the season. And
I don't think it's that. I don't think that's Norris's
main problem. As we were discussing a couple of weeks ago,
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I think Norris's main issue is not the fact that
he has this almost insatiable desire to win, but rather
the way in which he strives to win, which is
through complaint and through hissy fits and through a lack
of cooperation. And I think that's his true issue. And
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that's something else that maxis stapp and suffered with in
his early years, which he's soon developed out of. And
now we have this Max with Stappen, who as of late,
when he's being challenged for his championship status by the
likes of Norris is reverting to these methods of I guess,
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you know, displaying his anger and frustration through these explicit
radio messages that we looked through last weekend. And I
think Norris is one of those He's one of that
breed that just doesn't won't ever do it in the
calm way. We'll always get what he wants through almost
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ensuring that his team is one hundred percent behind him.
Otherwise he's not one hundred pcent behind his team, which
I don't think is a very good environment in which
a young driver such as Osco Piastre can grow and flourish.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I definitely agree.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I think it's one of those things that you know,
it's like marmite.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You either hate it or you love it.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
If we look at the look if you look at
the race stats, Landon Norris qualified and poll again is
another one for him. And also I've been noticing, especially
in social media, a new trend has been rising land
Norris sort of bottling the win on the first lap,
and I think that's something that the team as well
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as the driver needs to develop. On. Look, we have
what four tenths between Lando and Max in qualifying for
the Dutch from prex and although he did win the
race the first light, he lost the lead and I
think that's something that that's hindering performance, especially at the
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front end of the grid. Like you said about his attitude,
I think it's you definitely do need the winner, the
winner mindset, the Max and Staffer mindset, like you just said,
to be to be great in Formula one. You know,
look at the likes of Sebastian bettor Lewis Hamilton and
even now Max seven. When they're winning, they will think,
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they will know that they are the best. And I
think that's important because if you don't fully understand it
or don't fully believe it, then that's that ultimately stops
you from from winning in the end. But I think
that does come to a point where drivers like Landon
Norris do you need to sort of take a step
back and not how do you call it, not be
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too harsh on yourself because your second place. I mean,
it's a bit of a it's a bit of a
weird situation.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm not sure what do you think.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I don't think there's any more damning a condemnation of
Lando Norris's errors at the start of Grand Prix than
this weekend, in which he argued that in the long run,
his mistake and in the first little not mistake, but
his lack of focus and composure and the opening lap
cost him a Grand Prix on this occasion COSTI perhaps
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second place as well, and this is a reason which
Maxwstappen finished sixth. Norris could have increased the sorry reduced
the deficit the Max Stappin was created at the start
of the season even further had it not been for
his first lap, first lab incident. Yet yet again, and
for all that it's funny to laugh about Norris's stakes,
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it's also you know something that's.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Pretty serious matter. Yeah, especially for the team.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Especially for the team who were fighting for a World
Constructors Championship. But at the moment, that's not looking that's
not looking looking awfully up for contention, is it? Red
Bull seemed to be completely dropping the ball. And why
do you think it is that McLaren have come out
to such a hot start in the start in start
to the autumn season of Formula One.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, I don't I wouldn't say there's a major, a
major upgrade for McLaren this part of the season. I
think it was towards the end, and I think especially
from maybe around Austria, I think that's when McLaren sort
of hit a peak in performance. But obviously due to
racing incidents, McLaren haven't been able to extract so many points.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
But in terms of Red Ball as well, if.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
We look at this week in particular, I think Wanda
definitely doesn't suit them, and I think they haven't brought
any upgrades and their car is becoming more and more.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Difficult to drive.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
If you look at if you listen to Max Stappins radio,
he's becoming more and more.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
What's it called.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
He's complaining a lot more about how the car is driving.
We know for a fact that Max has happen likes
a oversteering car, and that's something that number drivers can oh.
I would prefer most drivers would prefer understand car. At
a track like Monza where it's low down force, it's
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pretty difficult for Red Bull to produce a car which
is sort of twitchy like Max stuff and wants. But
I think that's another reason why they were lacking performance
over the Italian Grand Prix weekend for the Constraints Championship
as well, we have well not far not far behind.
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McLaren are not far behind from Red Bull. I think, yeah,
eighteen did you.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Say eight eight pence eight?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Sorry eight? Yeah, don't yeah, I'm looking at now as.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Eight yeah, eight points. It's not a lot and I
think I remember overhearing Crafty say during the race that
the Live Drivers Championship, the Live Constructor Championship sorry Red
Bull would be level on points in McLaren. But this
was this was at the stage of Big Three when
Landon Norris Andrey Role running one and two. So obviously
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that didn't end up happening, but it just goes to
show the booster performance McLaren have and they've sort of
reduced the deficit that they had to Red Bull, especially
in recent races.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
It Stappan has gone six races without a GP victory,
which is for me as a tired Formula One fan,
is an absolute breath of fresh air. We have seen
some true variety over the past a few months that
you know, anybody would be just licking their lips at
in the midst of the twenty twenty three season. That's
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the longest wind drought for the Dutchman without a retirement
in that interim race period since a ten race stretch
between Mexico twenty eighteen and Austria twenty nineteen. And this
is getting pretty serious down at Red Bull. Alarm bells
are ringing in the heads of Christian Normana, in the
heads of Helmet Marco, and most certainly in the head
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of Max. With Stappen Norris is sixty two points behind.
Is Max the problem?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, what you just said there, sixty two points that
is that is a big number. I would say if
you look at a championship like twenty twenty one, sixty
two points is very difficult to come back from. Only
the likes of Lewis Hamilton would we were able to do so.
I don't answer your question. I don't think it's a
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maxim stat an issue. I think it's an internal issue
with the team. It seems like Red Bull don't fully
understand what they're doing, which is surprising seeing as their
three year win streak and all their accolades that they've
been collecting along the way. Something's definitely going wrong. We've
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seen it from the beginning of the year of the
season with the christ and Horner incident.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Power Malco, he's been quite quiet.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I haven't really had much about him in the F
one news, but I think, yeah, something is definitely going down.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I'm not quite sure what is.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I just think back to last year, in the year before,
where it was almost you know, max Us Stappan could
line up in twenty eth or he could line up
in second and he would still take the win. He
could come back from almost any deficit that the qualifying
and throwing him. He could do it completely independent of
Sergio Perro's's help. And now we're just seeing him, you know,
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qualify very poorly and then not converted in the race whatsoever.
And you know, for sure it's it's it's a car
issue for the for the vast majority of it. But
you know, part of me is part of me thinks
that maybe Max with Stappa might have lost a little
bit of his edge, maybe become a bit too complacent
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in the start of the season. Do you think that
there's any world in which this is this is going
to come out with with with him completely throwing away
the championship or is Norris too far back? Is he
the same caliber as the likes of Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I don't know, to be honest, I mean it's difficult
to say. I mean, looking at this weekend, I remember
just before the rain started, I was watching the interview
along there along the tip more than Max Stepan, and
he was you know, it seemed like he kept this call.
He sort of you could sense a bit of blame,
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not blame, but a bit infliction on the on the team.
I think on a personal, on a driver level, Macsa
has got it under control. He's got the mindset still
because he's got that experience in history underneath his belt
that you know he can win, you know, to win
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a championship and many races. So I don't think it's
a driver error. I definitely think it's a technical technical
error with the car and the team. You know, we've
been hearing him complain about strategy the pitwall. There's definitely
a lot of pressure on him. And you can see
the relationship between his race engineer Lambias GP and Max Staffan.
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You know, it's they're not doing a as good of
a job as covering it up.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
You can sense a.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Bit of tension going on there and you know we've
they've always been like this, but in times like these
where races haven't been won, you know, there's there's a
lot of there's a lot of steak at the moment
on the Red Bull team.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think they're they're watching it, to be honest, at
the moment, I've never seen a rebel flounder this badly
or poorly since perhaps they're handling of the Stapha and
Ricardo tussle back in twenty eighteen. It's just her is
out of the picture. He's long in the woods, he's
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out in the woods. He's somewhere, you know, chopping lumber.
I don't know what he's doing, completely anonymous so far
in this in the last stages of this season, this
happen is becoming an after thought the front, which is
mind boggling for an F one fan to be considering.
At the start of this year, I remember back to
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we were talking about how much stap would take every
single grand breed this season at the start of the year.
That is not We're far. We're a long way from that.
I think it could potentially even go downhill with the
with the new technical regulations coming into place in twenty
twenty six, and then even you know, even more so
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in the years following that, and if you recall back
to the technical regulations that came into place at the
start of the twenty twenty two season, they cut down
Mercedes's advantage over the field tremendously, and everybody was thinking, oh,
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they're sad banging, they're sad bagging, And then as you
get to the season, they're nowhere to be found in
the top five and this is this could potentially happen
to Red Bull too, and they're already seemingly on the
way out. I don't know what it is. You know,
Adrian Newey has designed this car. I have no true explanation,
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do you do? You know any kind of technical reason
why the Red Bull has just fallen off the face
of the earth in the in the last few weeks.
Isn't McLaren sort of revolution? Is there a revolutionary upgrades
at McLaren.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah? I think maybe it's an incident where.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I'd like to say that the rest of the pack
is sort of caught up to them in technical matters.
But what we've been seeing is the drivers just complaining
about the car, not so much Perez, you know, I
think Peis is just like you said, we don't know
where he is. But on the other hand, maxis Staff.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I don't think we've had a single second of screen
time that entire Grand Prix. I genuinely don't think we
saw him once, apart from perhaps when he was getting
getting past George Russell.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
We had, yeah, he had a bit of a tussle
with Russell, but yeah, I mean it's difficult, you know,
I think there's a lot of a lot of stuff
going down at Redport at the moment. But if we
do if we look at the the seasons, the whole,
you know, race by race, we've got Max Stappen and
Carlos winning the first three and then Max Stappens sort
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of dominating the early stage of the season until China.
Then we get a first win for London Norris, which
is really good, back to Macrostappen, and then I think
at this point everyone sort of thinks, you know, Max Japanese,
he's doing the championship. It's going to be an another year.
But like twenty twenty three, like we've we've had a
couple of new winners, but that would have just been
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by luck. But then afterwards we get Monaco.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
The cursors were broken.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Charloon Claire finally win his home race, and even still
after that we get two more Maxi Staphen wins, and
I think at this point, I'm not sure if we
mentioned it in the podcast, but I was definitely thinking,
you know, there's there's no way anyone else can compete this.
It might be just a fourth year of Red Bull winning.
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But then if you look beyond the race results and
you actually look into the into the race itself, what
actually happens.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
You can see sort of an uprise in in the
Flian's performance.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
It doesn't say because obviously because the winner, there's only
one winner, but you can see the performance increase of
Londons and history getting podiums after podium And then you
get to a race like Austria where London Earth is
finally challenging for a win against Max Stepan, you know,
in equal terms. But then obviously they have that incident
and George Russell takes the win, a surprise victory for
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Lewis Hamilton and at the British Rand Prix, I think
that's well deserved. We've we can all agree on that.
And then after that Max Stepan hasn't got a win
since and I think something has definitely happened from just
before the summer break to now where Red Bull have
sort of lost the plot and they don't really know
what they're doing, and every year is different.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You know, we can't.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
As much as it's good to use data from the past,
you can't expect anything to be the same in the future,
especially not in a sport like f one. It very
much seems like everything is the same, especially to new
fans or people who don't really know the sport well.
But those you know and understand the sport to a true,
a true level will be able to confidently believe that.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
You can't. I can't expect.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Anything to happen based on the past. Obviously with an
eight year run with Mercedes you could, and maybe a
two or three year run with Red Bull. But this
season is very much like no other. And I think
we said it before at the beginning of the of
the podcast for this season that we're definitely going to
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get some surprises along the way, and I think I'm
very excited as a plan fan to be seeing these
new race winners, well not new faces, but we were
returning faces, like with the likes of Lewis Hamilton, Charlott
Claire and I think a championship battle actually and the
constructors is definitely on.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
All right, let's take a quick break. We were right
back with some discussion of the woes and the wins
of the Italian Grand Prix. Al Right, we are back,
and now it's time to have a look at some
of the woes and the winners from the twenty twenty
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four Italian Grand Prix. First off, a can you give
me your Driver of the Weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
For the Italian Grand Prix. I mean, I think it's
a pretty easy one to say. I'm going to go
with Charlotte Clair. Obviously, uh Ferrari had a major upgrade
this weekend and they sort of deserve to win based
on their performance. But I think, you know, I think
everyone is sort of excited for Charlotte Blair this weekend
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to win Ferri's home race. You know, I'm sure all
of the Tafosi are, and I think we, even if
we aren't Fri fans, we are very happy for him.
So I think Driver of the Weekend has to go
to shout out Jeff, I.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Agree with you wholeheartedly. I am Oh god, I was
absolutely buzzing when we saw the podium, the beautiful podium
celebrations and Munza with the sea of Scuderia fans. That
brings me back to twenty nineteen when shall Whilst won
the Italian Grand Prix, one of the first Grand Prix
that I watched live, and that was ah chills. That
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was a crazy race and so was this and yeah,
I mean absolutely inspired one stop strategy for the win.
I think Ferrari have turned the whole conversation on its head.
You know. I don't know if you recall a few
years ago with the whole Spinotto meme, but there was
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there has certainly been some moments that Ferrari would like
to forget on the strategy side of things. But they've
turned out rounds Dutch Grand Prix. They converted P six
and P ten in Quarley to a double top five
finish and this time around they went all in. They
went all in on the one stop and came away
with the win. Amish, is this a is this a
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philosophy change at Ferrari because the car doesn't seem to
go to have got much better.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
To be honest, well, yeah, I think morale definitely seems
higher after the race win. But and especially in the
Dutch Roun Prix. The results are pretty good. They converted
a low qualifying position into a good race results and
that's what's important. Qualifying for the For the Italian Rand Prix,
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you know they weren't they were still pretty high up.
It was George Russell who was P three. After that
became the Ferrari, so four and five. They converted child
the players P four until win, which is really good.
But yeah, I think I think they do have a
few upgrades. They have a new front and rear wing
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from Wansa. I think now is a really good time
to get that in because they really wanted for I
really wanted to give it their role for Monza and
sort of Boostmorrow not just for the team but for
their fans as well.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Then that's important.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Monza is a is a low downforce track as we
all know, so bringing you upgrades is quite difficult to
make an impact because the field should be quite tight.
You know, everyone should be performing at a similar level
because there's less aerodynamic influence. Apart from just having as
little downforce as possible. We saw a red ball they
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put they were a slightly higher downforce package just so
they can get through Sector two quite quickly, but it
didn't really turn in the favor of them, and everyone
else sort of was faster in the speed traps I
think were pretty high up there. I have data here
which shows, you know, their flow has increased, it's improved.
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I think they've increased the lengths of some parts to
sort of manipulate airflow in.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
A more efficient way. I think that's important.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Considering the idea of dirty air at Monza is very
important because although we have a big slipstream and toe,
as they were talking about along this weekend, there are
there's always going to be the effect of dirty air
when following the car behind, and I think that was
really important during the race. We looked at McLaren as
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well well. I think both both Landonorris and Oscarpyastri both
said that a clean air is king, and I think
that goes to show. That went to show very importantly
in this weekend because they seem to be sort of
struggling following the cars ahead, which were the Ferrari's. But yeah,
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I think Ferrari's technical upgrades have definitely shown strengths this weekend.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Do you think they can catch up with Red Bull
and spark a three a fight for the title. Is
that is that out of the question at the moment?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I definitely, I wouldn't put it out of question. I
think it's definitely. I think it's quite far to be honest,
you's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Let's points.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
It's it's a difficult one to say, you know. I
mean they're quite they're quite up there, you know. But
on on the drivers, on the driver championship, I don't
think so. But on the constructors, I think they do
need a sense of consistency and that is something that
we can't really rely on with Ferrari as much as
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it's saying, we have to be honest and face the
face the facts. You know, they've got to two race wins,
which is pretty three race winds, which is actually the
same as Claren this year. But I think when they
haven't been winning, the race results haven't been haven't been
so consistent. If you look at the the run or
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the current runner up Claren, when they're not winning, they've
at least got a P two or P three or
both coming out the race weekends. That's something that Ferrari
just haven't been doing. And although they're what thirty nine
points behind. It's still a bit of a stretch and
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I think they need to get part McLaren as well,
who are on a streak at the moment, and I
think it's a big challenge for them. But P three
will be a really good result.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think their battle is with Mercedes.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Even though Mercedes are quite far behind, they are on
they're sort of climbing their way up the ranks.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
But yeah, I think Frari are in a good place
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I know about that point on consistency, actually, I mean
the combined charl Leclair and color of Science of Race
thirty two races, and out of those thirty two races,
they've only finished outside of the top five and seven occasions.
That means that they finished within the top five in
seventy nine percent of their running and bearing in mind
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Carlos Science Mister race in Saudi Arabia, that's also not
including two retirements, one for Leclaire and one for Science
as well, So that's a pretty good ratio of races
that they've finished. They've only they've only not been They've
only been outside of the top five on four occasions,
so I think their consistency is just about there. And
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they can they can and close the gap to mcclap.
I think Charlotclair, if he puts in a few more
sar performances as he has he's been doing, he's on
the triple podium run, he could get about where Norris
is by the end of the season. I mean, it's
not out of the question. I think it's more difficult
for Norris to close the gap to Max, to be frank,
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And if Carlos Science tries to recapture the form, or
if he does recapture the form of the first few races,
you could definitely challenge Piastre for P four as well.
So I would not put it out of the question.
And it's more the Ferrari curse or the Ferrari environment
that I'm worried about, and also perhaps the fact that
the Ferrari car is nowhere near the McLaren at the moment.
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But I wouldn't be surprised if you know, this time
next year Ferrari a putting in a shift for the
title if they you know, if they really do get
a wiggerlong, especially with Leclair and Lewis Hamilton in the mix.
So I don't know if I agree with you there
to be honest.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, it was definitely right. It's not out of question.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I'm just saying it's it's difficult if we look at
like you're right, if we look at the steps. Ferrari's
averaging thirty points per race weekend, you know they've got
They had a good start. You know, Australia was probably
by far their best race at the beginning, and I
think that's been their best race about the whole season
so far.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
That was a Ferrari one to write with.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Carlor Science winning, so that would be pretty That was
pretty good. Unfortunately they had a double g N. I
think Canada de zer points. But in the sort of
McLaren uprise after say Spain or including Spain, they haven't
scored as much point as many points as they should
be to be competing for P two or even the
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leader of the Constructor Championship. The British Corn Prix was
pretty poor for them eleven points, say, with the Spanish
Corn Prix under twenty with eighteen points. But the Italian
Gorand Prix, like you said, probably then next best, next
best race in terms of points, but I think even better.
It's probably even better than Australia in terms of winning
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at that stage of the season because the boost morale,
and it's definitely showing a sense of strength for the
latter half, which is I think arguably just as important
as scoring more points at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Let's move on to you thought was the biggest sort
of flop of the weekend. Who do you think could
have before way better?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I'm gonna but I think an obvious answer at the beginning,
at the at the top end of the field, I
would say Max hast happened, you know, qualifying qualifying P six.
It's not great for him. I think it was a
difficult race, and I don't think you can excuse that,
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especially of the driver of his caliber and his expectations.
You know, if he's meant to be leading the Driver's Championship,
you know, he can't afford to have one a race
like this, especially going on a six Dix race streak
without having one.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You know, I think it's been a difficult time for him.
Another driver would like to mention, would it be Hm?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I would want to say the Alpines. I think they
did all right, but both both Pierre Gasley and Esteban
Klan have been pretty quiet, but yeah, I don't have
a major a major name to be referring to this time.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think the point you made earlier was interesting about
you know, it's not it's not the step. At the
end of the day, the stap and has control over
certain things and not control over some certain things, and
you're right there. It's a big disappointment, but on recent
form it's quite characteristic. But I think the person that
I'm personally quite quite disappointed with this weekend is Nico Holkenberg,
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who qualified well tenth another Q three for Nico, and
usually when he gets into that position he converts it,
but on this occasion he got bogged down at the
start contact with Ricardo, granted not his fault, but that
put him in a bit of a tough position for
the remainder of the race. He had a clash with
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Sonoda early on that went awry, very silly move going
down the inside, big lock up and smashed into the
side of Sonoda and took him out for the Grand Prix,
ruined his own race by breaking his front wing and
also accruing that ten second time penalty. So Nico Holgenberg,
in terms of what I expected from a weekend where
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I see Nico Holgenberg P ten qually really really let
me down with seventeenth in the end. Some of it,
as I say, was not entirely in his control, but
I think he could have done more to try and
hold onto that P ten position to perhaps snag a
point four pass. Let's move on to finally, your biggest
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surprise of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I think it's pretty obvious here, regardless of the lack
of points being scored. I'm going to go with Franco
colo Pinto. I think you expect. I think you'd be.
I'd be surprised if anyone said otherwise, because you know,
Franklin Colopinto. I think this is one of his first
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time driving an F one car. Obviously he's done tests,
but little experience, his little experience in the left one car.
Let's alone a race at Grand Prix, and I think, you.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Know, finishing P twelve he qualified lower down, I think,
and he definitely made his way up. Definitely a good
first first drive in the Formula One scene for him,
and I'm looking forward to see him for the rest
of the season as amamish.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
But my biggest surprise personally was McLaren throwing away a
one two finish.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Ah yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I think that that McLaren car is absolutely, you know,
on rails the first few it's been on rails the
first few few races since we've come back, and I
fully expected the claire to get swallowed up by the
McLaren's come the end of the race, but that's just
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not how how it turns. And doubt that Ferrari car,
which is sort of clearly, clearly less less pacy than
the McLaren, was able to convert the victory. And I
think that's partially because of a lack of communication and
the lack of cooperation between Oscar and Lando. I think
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it's partially a lack of appreciation of possible strategy outcomes
from McLaren, and I think it's partially sort of misjudged
timing when you go, when you push, which McLaren just
really who have been on the ball so far this season.
They've been converting. I think McLaren have performed to their
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ceiling so far this year. I think they've performed as
well as they can in almost every race, and this
is one of the few races this season where McLaren
have really let themselves go a little bit, I think,
and perhaps been a bit complacent, perhaps assumed that Leclaire
would fall into their grasp rather than in during that
they could take the victory. And that's sound characteristic of McLaren.
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Think they'll learn from it, hopefully and hopefully be able
to come back better. But it's by pure chance that
Rebel have been having an absolute nightmare recently and they've
managed to close the gap. If Red Bull were on
top form, they would have been they would have been poached,
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in my opinion, they would have been picked off by
the Redbulls. But that's not how it is at the moment.
McClaren got lucky. They maintain their streak of closing the
gap to Red Bull, but they can't make too many
more mistakes with that Rebel car debilitated as it is
at the moment, they really need to get there together, Amish.
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We are going to take another break. When we come back.
We're going to have some tech talk and we're also
going to go over to crash Corner. All right, welcome
back to F one. Isn't real now, I Miss. We're
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going to have a look at the technological side of things.
Your area of expertise and must take us through some
of the key upgrades and technical advancements this weekend, please.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Okay, Ben, So, I'm going to keep it simple, starting
off with Red Bull, and they're sort of a latter performance.
Let's say I spoke about this before. Maxis Staffan particularly
enjoys a car that is oversteering and twitchy, which is
very different to the rest of the grid, and I
think this is probably why Max Staffa's teammates have struggled
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in the same car. I think this weekend there was
an insane amount of understeering for Max Stappa's liking, which
for those who don't know what it means is when
you try and turn the car, it doesn't turn as
much as you wanted to because there's a lack of grip.
And I think this is extremely significant in the track
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like Monza, because all the cars, all the teams, they're
running low downforce. And what David Croft was explaining to
us on the commentary on the live viewing on Sky
Sports this weekend was that Red Bull went for a
slightly higher downforce package, which is sort of unusual because
it's sort of as if Red Bull knew they were
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compromising top speed and in the speed traps, we didn't
see Red Bull anywhere near the top. It was more
of the lights of Williams and Mercedes and even Priori
in some cases.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Which is sort of important to note Monza where it
has the temple of the speed of it.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
This is his nickname, and I think that's a mistake
that Red Bull definitely have made in terms of upgrades.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
They haven't really brought.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Anything new to the in the season since a few
races ago, not that I know of, until I think
the last one was definitely before the summer holidays, moving
on to Ferrari. I did mention this before they came
to Monza, with a new front wing and a rear wing.
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I think it's important to note upgrade, especially from Monza,
because a new front wing and the rear wing, you'd
think they'd have more downforce, but I think what it
means is they have a front wing and a rear
wing which has a less downforce because they have a
greater top speed and that's what essentially wins them the race.
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And it's important to note as well that having a
low downforce can be dangerous for tires. Pr management across
Monsa is relatively you know, it's sort of difficult and
in F one or in mostiport in general, when you
have a higher downforce setup, it's generally easier to manage
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and MONSOI this is a relatively higher degradation circuit. So
it was pretty impressive to see Charla Claire hold onto
his tires at the end of the race, because degradation
would have been generally quite high with a low downforce setup.
Looking at McLaren as well, they haven't bought brought any
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new upgrades since the beginning of some of holidays, but
those upgrades are sort of lasting them through this period
of the season and I think, you know, I think
we've mentioned this before. Their new era package is definitely
doing them well, and I think if anything, looking into
the future, they sort of definitely need to develop do
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some research and development on managing tires because at the
moment they're sort of grasping onto the idea of cleaning
are as king and I think when they're in a
position where they're not leading, it's very they're very vulnerable,
and I think they need to work on that. Being
able to follow cars in front. That's a sort of
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downside and a weakness of the Plaran, and I think
in the future races, especially towards the end of the season,
if they want to have a fighting chance, they do
need to work on designing a car on a designing
set up that can definitely follow another car, especially a
REDI Bull. But yeah, that's all I have to say
for the tech talk of this episode. Back to you then,
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perfect stuff ash. Now we're going to head over to
crash Corner take a little look at some of the
crashes that have defined the last two weekends. First off,
is one that truly did define someone's career. Logan Sergeant.
Logan Sergeant, Logan sergeant.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Oh my goodness me massive shunt in FP three example,
with an estimated cost of one point seventy three million dollars.
That is enough to buy two point two industry real
grade cranes. Wonderful stuff. If you had one point seven
three million dollars knocking around your bank account, what would
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you spend it on.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
If I had that much money, I would probably try
and buy my way into the sport, like a few
other drivers have in the past. But yeah, that's why
I would spend my money on, probably invest it into
a comment thing career. Even though it's a bit late
to start, but yeah, that is a lot of money.
Like you did say, it's a good answered, that's a
very good answer.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
But getting into the quote quite serious stuff here. It's
not looking good. He's not looking good for Logan Stargent.
It wasn't looking good all weekend and it definitely was
not looking good when it was announced that he was
going to be replaced for the rest of the season
by mister Cola Pinto. We've touched on it earlier briefly,
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but is this man the right choice for the rest
of the season.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Well, I think even though he didn't score a point
in the taling roon Pree, I'd like to think it's
a strong start. It's very difficult to say, you know,
because the last time we sort of had this position
was Nick de Frees.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
What did he do?
Speaker 4 (41:12):
He debuted on the Italian on free twenty twenty two,
I believe, and he scored a point and everyone thought
that was amazing, which it was, you know, starting scoring
a point in your debut, that's a really good achievement, especially.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
For a rookie.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Yeah, he got signed the following season and didn't last
until halfway, and for Logan Sergent's case, he lasted the
season and a bit, and I think this is sort
of coming to the end of his career. He learns
longer than Nick de Frees are given that, but in
his Tan Williams, I think he scored one point this
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season and a couple last season, which you know, it's
not great, especially comparing himself to.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
The likes of Alex Album.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Uh. You know, last season, Logan Sergeant scored one point
and this season, Logan Sergeant has not scored a point.
Oh so yeah, that's that's that's according to the one
official website.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
So I think there's a lot of pressure on him,
and I think he's had the time to sort of
develop his his driving abilities. He's not a rookie anymore,
and he's definitely not performing up to par compared to
Alex Album. And I think I don't know whether that
goes whether Alex Album is sort of too fast for
the Williams car and he needs to move to a
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past team, or you know, it could be Logan Sergeant
just isn't performing as he should be, and I think
it is the right decision to get a new driver
in you know, F one is a harsh sport.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
You can't say it's easy to to survive. Everyone's find
their seat constantly, apart from unless your match just happened,
of course, But yeah, I think it's I'm looking forward
to see mister Franco colo Pinto driving for the remainder
of the season.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
He gown, Yep, he's dead, he's done no more logan
sergeant is ascending to the clouds above where Nicholas Nikita,
Mazapin Maldonardo. I guess you know that live out the
rest of their their lives on their cushy, you know
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few million that they've earned from this sport, and you
know good and him he gave it a crack, but
another page driver bites the dust. I think probably for
the best. Colopinto seemingly is making some waves this season,
or has made some waves, certainly in his first race.
How sustainable is it? I guess we'll see. But it's
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a good thing that he's being replaced by science if
it goes awrye which is certainly a possibility. Speaking of science,
the next season, can he save the date at Williams?
You know they've come back. They've come back at the
Italian Grand Prix from a pretty shocking weekend of you know,
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illegal flaws crashes, qualifying Mayhem with a sodid P nine
from from alex But that you know that two points.
It keeps them alive, keeps them in contention with Alpine
for eighth. But will Science's addition actually saved them from
from yet another sort of era of mediocrity or is
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the car a little bit far gone at this point
compared to their competitors.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Well, we don't know for next year, but if you
look at the trajectory they're on, it's not looking amazing.
For Carla Signs is definitely going to be a dip
in his career, going from Ferrari to Scuderia.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Down to Williams.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
And it's a shame because Williams holds such an amazing
name to it. You know, it has so much history
and it has a legacy which is difficult to match.
And it's sad that they're not performing, especially in the
last five or six years, how they should be. It's
been a while since they've had their laugh win. I
think that was with the one and only Pastor Madonado,
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if I'm correct, But yeah, I think it would definitely
take a toll on his career, but it's a shame
that the rest of the grid in terms of constructors
don't value Carla Signs as much as he should be.
You know, coming going to Ferrari probably one of the
biggest things in his careers in his career, and it's
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definitely given him an opportunity to show how fast of
a driver he is. And I don't think the teams
in that sort of period of time have taken the
time to reflect on how good of a driver he is.
And it comes to a point where he might be
getting too old. You know, yesterday was his thirtieth birthday.
Saying that's old, don't hopefully no one will take offense
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to that. But in an F one career, he's sort
of moving away from his prime, prime era. You know,
look at the primes of other drivers that thought they
were definitely in their early thirties late twenties when when
they were winning races and winning championships. So I think
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it's it's going downhill for Carlos and I really hope
you can sort of make an impact at Williams and
I think he him and Alex album will definitely.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Make a good a good year next year.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
But yeah, listen, I agree in a sense with this,
with the sort of Carlos Science pity party. But you know,
part of me thinks, if I were an F one constructor,
would I want to invest my entire future in Carlos Science.
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Maybe not? Maybe not not necessarily. You know, he shown
an extreme amount of promise over the past, you know,
nearly decade, for about eight or so years, and you know,
he's had real flashes where he's been absolutely excellent. For example,
in his first year at Ferrari, finishing fifth in the
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Constructors Championship, beating out Charles Clair. And at the start
of this season where he had in the three races
that he did run was a podium podium podium. But
is he the man that you want to put all
of your eggs in the basket of right? I don't.
I'm not entirely I'm not you know, I've been considering
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this the last few weeks, and yes, is he currently
on better form than Sojio Paris, Yes he is. But
is he the person who you want for the future
of your team. I'm not entirely sold. I'm not completely sold.
He's a quality driver, he's he's a Ferrari right now
for a reason, and to be frank, there aren't really
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many better to options on the grid at the moment,
but maybe people are a little bit wary. But to
be frank, right, if we're if we're if I'm going
to argue that about Carlo Science, if I'm going to
say people should be wary, then our next stop, a
crash corner would really needs a bit of a talking to,
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and that is twenty twenty five Mercedes driver Kimi Antonelli,
who binned it at Parabolica in a fifty two G
crash in FP one, which he walked away from being
announced as the Mercedes driver hours later. How does this
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decision stit with you, AMESH?
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he's not even a rookie
yet and he's making Yeah, I don't think you can
put too much pressure on him making one mistake. Obviously
it's not great, it's not good indicator to the crash
in your one of your early experien is in the sport,
and I think it is a difficult environment for him
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to be in, you know, going straight to Mercedes as
a rookie, we don't usually see that, and I think
he would be I think he'd be suited better in
a team like Williams where he can develop his his
driving in the Formula One. You know, we saw it
with George Russell. He started off for Williams and if
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there was, you know, an opportunity for him to go
to Mercedes at the beginning, I definitely would have said
that he should have.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Gone to Williams.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Anyways, even if he could have gone to Mercedes from
the start, It's going to be interesting next year to
watch him there. I don't think I think he'll be.
He'll be, He's more than capable. I'm not sure how
he will perform compared to George Russell, but the pressure
is really high on him at the moment. But clearly
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Mercedes and to Wolf see something in the young driver.
It was only a few weeks older than me myself.
But yeah, there's I think he's promising. He's a promising driver.
I think everyone will make mistakes at some point in
their career. In this one for gimme Antonelli it's it's
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now with that big crash, but I don't think it's
any cause of concern.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I'm trying to think back to the last driver that
was just thrown into such a big seat next to
Stephen or London Norris, but that was when McClaren weren't
so big. But Max started out as a rookie with
With then too. Yeah, that was a rookie at Toro Rosso.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
I want to say Alex Alex Album finished his rookie
season at Redcord. That's a big that's a big thing.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
I think it was probably down to Pierre ghastly extrume,
you know, having a bit of a torrid time of it.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
True, but it doesn't doesn't take away the fact that
he managed to make his.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Way to Red Books and look how that worked out,
How that worked.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Out exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
That is is a shame.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
I think that Antonelli is having a lot of face
putting him for such a such a young, young, such
an unproved I think he could really do with a
seat at Williams. George Russell, for all that he has
always been a quality driver, has you know, I feel
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like he's his skill and his racecraft was molded in
that three years at Williams. He managed to secure a
podium with them back in Spa in that race that
was essentially rained off.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Obviously it was dictated by qualifying, which gives him the
name Miss the Saturday.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Absolutely and he when he was thrown into that Mercedes
he frankly should have secured the victory. Unfortunately, due to
reasons out of his control, he could not. But I
don't think Colo Pinto is a generational talent in the
same way that George Russell is. Sorry, Colobinto, I don't
think that Antonelli is is that talent. I just don't
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envision him having a great season next year and a
couple bad seasons on the trot. I don't think Mercedes
can really afford that. Maybe they're experimenting with Antonelli in
the hope that when the twenty twenty six regulations come around,
they will that's that's a theory that Mercedes could be
sort of throwing the next few seasons in a way
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to prepare to save up funds for the twenty twenty
six regulation change and then twenty twenty eight in the future.
But it just seems like a bit of a baffling
strategy for success from Toto Wolf, who has been hasn't
really been on his best form the past. You know,
I would say since he signed Russell from that point onwards.
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He's been as been a bit of a downhill trajectory
for Toto Wolf.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, there's not really much else
to say on that note, but I think they definitely
see something in the future that we don't. And there's
probably way more information about Jimmy Antonelli than that is
out there, but we just don't know it because it's
behind closed doors. And I think all we can do
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now is just wait until that see it is open
for him and he can jump in and get going.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
But yeah, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
We will have to see how he does last off
at crash Corner to finish off the pod. This week,
we're going to take a look at Kevin Magnuson in
the House You toussle with Pierre Gasly made contact. Picked
up a penalty ten second time penalty in the Italian
Grand Prix, and that has translated into two penalty points
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to his license to a super license, which no super
license to his well, two penalty points for k MAG
and that means that he's picked up twelve penalty points
this season. He's now going for a he's now going
to be banned for one race. He's going to miss
out on the on the next Grand Prix in Baku,
(54:19):
And do you think this is fair? Do you think
this is this is sort of Kevin magnuson facing the
music which he's been seemingly sort of which he has
semingly been avoiding for this entire season.
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yeah, I definitely think it's there's a reason why, you know,
he's got it right, he's sort of getting.
Speaker 5 (54:39):
Himself into trouble with sort of minor crashes and you
can't you can't always put the name racing incident on
these events, you know, Uh, this case the Tannelal career,
I think it was it was a bit harsh because.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
The driver on the other end, he didn't you know
it right.
Speaker 4 (54:58):
I don't think he came out with in insane amount
of damage or it didn't really affect the race as
much as it could have. And I don't think it
was I didn't think that incident was called for a
time penalty or any sort of sanction in that matter.
But I think looking across this season definitely has shown
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some aggressive and messy driving from gay Mad. I think
everyone sort of knows that he's a great defending driver,
but there comes to a point where he's crossed the
line and sort of has earned himself this race band
But I think as a fan, not a direct fan
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of Kevin Magison, but as a fan of Formula one,
it definitely opens up a window for us because Olli
Behman is going to be replacing him if I'm correct,
and as we have seen last time in Saudi Arabia,
Olli Behman has definitely given us given F one to
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show a spectacular show with Ferrari, and hopefully he can
use this next race to get used to the hasscar
he will be driving next season.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
This is an interesting one for HASS because there was
a lot of talk from Pierre Gasli himself in fact,
about appeal of the decision in a way. I mean,
I don't know about you, Amish, but if I were
in if I were in charge of the decision making
at HASS, then I think I would probably let this
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one go because the fact is that k Mag is
not going to be in that seat in twenty twenty
five and Oli Berman is, so this might may be
one of his only chances, I mean hopefully for k
Mag his only chance to shine in the hasscar before
he takes his place amongst the grid proper next season?
(56:58):
Will this be beneficial has.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
Well, I mean, it just gives the more data. I guess,
really there's more, more better.
Speaker 4 (57:09):
I guess it's not a lessons more situation, Oli Beman
getting gathering more information for the team. You know, they
can definitely use that going forward into twenty twenty five.
Obviously it won't be the same car, but it would
definitely give Olibman more experience in F one. And I
think that's, you know, a small step forward. It's definitely
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not a step back, and I think that's what you
just have to look on the bright side in this situation.
It's unfortunate that came out can't be racing, but for
the team and for the future, it's definitely, you know,
a positive outcome.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
I agree with you. I think that seeing Olibman in
the house will be music to the well mute well,
music to the eyes, mixing metaphors to Gene has who
needs to see if he's putting his money in the
right place. This time around, they've gone through. Now this
is going to be their third third time in the
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past five years where they're going to refresh, where they're
going to a complete reset, of their driver lineup, and
so I think they will want to collect some data.
They'll want to see how it's going to work out
a mesh. Thank you for joining me. As always, thank
you everybody at home for listening. Next time out, we're
going to have a round of F one unpopular Opinions.
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We're going to go over the twenty twenty five driver
lineups and see how our predictions diverged from the outcome,
and we're going to preview the Azerbaijen Grand Prix for you.
All of that coming next week, Ash, thank you for
joining me on yet another double episode. It's been lovely
to have you.
Speaker 3 (58:50):
Thanks very much,
Hello, and welcome back to F one Isn't Real. I
am your host Ben Webell, joined as always by my
good friend and compatriot amesh v One, and this week we.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Will be dissecting the twenty twenty four Dutch born Prix
as well as the Italian born Prix that just ended
this Sunday and yet another double episode. Ash, I don't
know about you, but I think F one is officially back.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, it definitely is back.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Then the last two races we've had quite an eventful
It's been quite an eventful period with the last few races.
You know, another Landon Iras win, that's too. This season
it was quite underwhelming, I would say though. I mean
there was not as much excitement about it compared To's
first win, and I think that's something I think we
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should reflect on in this episode.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But twenty two seconds, that is it's pretty Unstu is
very big.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, it is big, but I think, you know, it
just goes to show like the development of McLaren and
the lack of development red Bull. But I think even
still we've spoken about this before about London.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Norris him being what what did you call him? Like
a brat? About him being harsh in himself.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And I think even standing on the top step of
the podium and the douchecorn Free, he didn't seem as
as excited as the rest of his fans are.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I think it's not cockiness, but you know something, then
there's a lack of modesty there. No, but what do
you think then?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I like to call it the maxiter step in mindset.
There's no yeah, action in first place in one race.
There's only satisfaction in the true prize, which is the
World Drivers' Championship at the end of the season. And
I don't think it's that. I don't think that's Norris's
main problem. As we were discussing a couple of weeks ago,
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I think Norris's main issue is not the fact that
he has this almost insatiable desire to win, but rather
the way in which he strives to win, which is
through complaint and through hissy fits and through a lack
of cooperation. And I think that's his true issue. And
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that's something else that maxis stapp and suffered with in
his early years, which he's soon developed out of. And
now we have this Max with Stappen, who as of late,
when he's being challenged for his championship status by the
likes of Norris is reverting to these methods of I guess,
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you know, displaying his anger and frustration through these explicit
radio messages that we looked through last weekend. And I
think Norris is one of those He's one of that
breed that just doesn't won't ever do it in the
calm way. We'll always get what he wants through almost
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ensuring that his team is one hundred percent behind him.
Otherwise he's not one hundred pcent behind his team, which
I don't think is a very good environment in which
a young driver such as Osco Piastre can grow and flourish.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I definitely agree.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I think it's one of those things that you know,
it's like marmite.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You either hate it or you love it.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
If we look at the look if you look at
the race stats, Landon Norris qualified and poll again is
another one for him. And also I've been noticing, especially
in social media, a new trend has been rising land
Norris sort of bottling the win on the first lap,
and I think that's something that the team as well
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as the driver needs to develop. On. Look, we have
what four tenths between Lando and Max in qualifying for
the Dutch from prex and although he did win the
race the first light, he lost the lead and I
think that's something that that's hindering performance, especially at the
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front end of the grid. Like you said about his attitude,
I think it's you definitely do need the winner, the
winner mindset, the Max and Staffer mindset, like you just said,
to be to be great in Formula one. You know,
look at the likes of Sebastian bettor Lewis Hamilton and
even now Max seven. When they're winning, they will think,
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they will know that they are the best. And I
think that's important because if you don't fully understand it
or don't fully believe it, then that's that ultimately stops
you from from winning in the end. But I think
that does come to a point where drivers like Landon
Norris do you need to sort of take a step
back and not how do you call it, not be
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too harsh on yourself because your second place. I mean,
it's a bit of a it's a bit of a
weird situation.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm not sure what do you think.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I don't think there's any more damning a condemnation of
Lando Norris's errors at the start of Grand Prix than
this weekend, in which he argued that in the long run,
his mistake and in the first little not mistake, but
his lack of focus and composure and the opening lap
cost him a Grand Prix on this occasion COSTI perhaps
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second place as well, and this is a reason which
Maxwstappen finished sixth. Norris could have increased the sorry reduced
the deficit the Max Stappin was created at the start
of the season even further had it not been for
his first lap, first lab incident. Yet yet again, and
for all that it's funny to laugh about Norris's stakes,
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it's also you know something that's.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Pretty serious matter. Yeah, especially for the team.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Especially for the team who were fighting for a World
Constructors Championship. But at the moment, that's not looking that's
not looking looking awfully up for contention, is it? Red
Bull seemed to be completely dropping the ball. And why
do you think it is that McLaren have come out
to such a hot start in the start in start
to the autumn season of Formula One.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, I don't I wouldn't say there's a major, a
major upgrade for McLaren this part of the season. I
think it was towards the end, and I think especially
from maybe around Austria, I think that's when McLaren sort
of hit a peak in performance. But obviously due to
racing incidents, McLaren haven't been able to extract so many points.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
But in terms of Red Ball as well, if.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
We look at this week in particular, I think Wanda
definitely doesn't suit them, and I think they haven't brought
any upgrades and their car is becoming more and more.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Difficult to drive.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
If you look at if you listen to Max Stappins radio,
he's becoming more and more.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
What's it called.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
He's complaining a lot more about how the car is driving.
We know for a fact that Max has happen likes
a oversteering car, and that's something that number drivers can oh.
I would prefer most drivers would prefer understand car. At
a track like Monza where it's low down force, it's
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pretty difficult for Red Bull to produce a car which
is sort of twitchy like Max stuff and wants. But
I think that's another reason why they were lacking performance
over the Italian Grand Prix weekend for the Constraints Championship
as well, we have well not far not far behind.
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McLaren are not far behind from Red Bull. I think, yeah,
eighteen did you.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Say eight eight pence eight?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Sorry eight? Yeah, don't yeah, I'm looking at now as.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Eight yeah, eight points. It's not a lot and I
think I remember overhearing Crafty say during the race that
the Live Drivers Championship, the Live Constructor Championship sorry Red
Bull would be level on points in McLaren. But this
was this was at the stage of Big Three when
Landon Norris Andrey Role running one and two. So obviously
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that didn't end up happening, but it just goes to
show the booster performance McLaren have and they've sort of
reduced the deficit that they had to Red Bull, especially
in recent races.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
It Stappan has gone six races without a GP victory,
which is for me as a tired Formula One fan,
is an absolute breath of fresh air. We have seen
some true variety over the past a few months that
you know, anybody would be just licking their lips at
in the midst of the twenty twenty three season. That's
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the longest wind drought for the Dutchman without a retirement
in that interim race period since a ten race stretch
between Mexico twenty eighteen and Austria twenty nineteen. And this
is getting pretty serious down at Red Bull. Alarm bells
are ringing in the heads of Christian Normana, in the
heads of Helmet Marco, and most certainly in the head
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of Max. With Stappen Norris is sixty two points behind.
Is Max the problem?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, what you just said there, sixty two points that
is that is a big number. I would say if
you look at a championship like twenty twenty one, sixty
two points is very difficult to come back from. Only
the likes of Lewis Hamilton would we were able to do so.
I don't answer your question. I don't think it's a
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maxim stat an issue. I think it's an internal issue
with the team. It seems like Red Bull don't fully
understand what they're doing, which is surprising seeing as their
three year win streak and all their accolades that they've
been collecting along the way. Something's definitely going wrong. We've
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seen it from the beginning of the year of the
season with the christ and Horner incident.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Power Malco, he's been quite quiet.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I haven't really had much about him in the F
one news, but I think, yeah, something is definitely going down.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I'm not quite sure what is.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I just think back to last year, in the year before,
where it was almost you know, max Us Stappan could
line up in twenty eth or he could line up
in second and he would still take the win. He
could come back from almost any deficit that the qualifying
and throwing him. He could do it completely independent of
Sergio Perro's's help. And now we're just seeing him, you know,
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qualify very poorly and then not converted in the race whatsoever.
And you know, for sure it's it's it's a car
issue for the for the vast majority of it. But
you know, part of me is part of me thinks
that maybe Max with Stappa might have lost a little
bit of his edge, maybe become a bit too complacent
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in the start of the season. Do you think that
there's any world in which this is this is going
to come out with with with him completely throwing away
the championship or is Norris too far back? Is he
the same caliber as the likes of Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I don't know, to be honest, I mean it's difficult
to say. I mean, looking at this weekend, I remember
just before the rain started, I was watching the interview
along there along the tip more than Max Stepan, and
he was you know, it seemed like he kept this call.
He sort of you could sense a bit of blame,
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not blame, but a bit infliction on the on the team.
I think on a personal, on a driver level, Macsa
has got it under control. He's got the mindset still
because he's got that experience in history underneath his belt
that you know he can win, you know, to win
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a championship and many races. So I don't think it's
a driver error. I definitely think it's a technical technical
error with the car and the team. You know, we've
been hearing him complain about strategy the pitwall. There's definitely
a lot of pressure on him. And you can see
the relationship between his race engineer Lambias GP and Max Staffan.
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You know, it's they're not doing a as good of
a job as covering it up.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
You can sense a.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Bit of tension going on there and you know we've
they've always been like this, but in times like these
where races haven't been won, you know, there's there's a
lot of there's a lot of steak at the moment
on the Red Bull team.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think they're they're watching it, to be honest, at
the moment, I've never seen a rebel flounder this badly
or poorly since perhaps they're handling of the Stapha and
Ricardo tussle back in twenty eighteen. It's just her is
out of the picture. He's long in the woods, he's
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out in the woods. He's somewhere, you know, chopping lumber.
I don't know what he's doing, completely anonymous so far
in this in the last stages of this season, this
happen is becoming an after thought the front, which is
mind boggling for an F one fan to be considering.
At the start of this year, I remember back to
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we were talking about how much stap would take every
single grand breed this season at the start of the year.
That is not We're far. We're a long way from that.
I think it could potentially even go downhill with the
with the new technical regulations coming into place in twenty
twenty six, and then even you know, even more so
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in the years following that, and if you recall back
to the technical regulations that came into place at the
start of the twenty twenty two season, they cut down
Mercedes's advantage over the field tremendously, and everybody was thinking, oh,
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they're sad banging, they're sad bagging, And then as you
get to the season, they're nowhere to be found in
the top five and this is this could potentially happen
to Red Bull too, and they're already seemingly on the
way out. I don't know what it is. You know,
Adrian Newey has designed this car. I have no true explanation,
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do you do? You know any kind of technical reason
why the Red Bull has just fallen off the face
of the earth in the in the last few weeks.
Isn't McLaren sort of revolution? Is there a revolutionary upgrades
at McLaren.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah? I think maybe it's an incident where.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I'd like to say that the rest of the pack
is sort of caught up to them in technical matters.
But what we've been seeing is the drivers just complaining
about the car, not so much Perez, you know, I
think Peis is just like you said, we don't know
where he is. But on the other hand, maxis Staff.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I don't think we've had a single second of screen
time that entire Grand Prix. I genuinely don't think we
saw him once, apart from perhaps when he was getting
getting past George Russell.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
We had, yeah, he had a bit of a tussle
with Russell, but yeah, I mean it's difficult, you know,
I think there's a lot of a lot of stuff
going down at Redport at the moment. But if we
do if we look at the the seasons, the whole,
you know, race by race, we've got Max Stappen and
Carlos winning the first three and then Max Stappens sort
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of dominating the early stage of the season until China.
Then we get a first win for London Norris, which
is really good, back to Macrostappen, and then I think
at this point everyone sort of thinks, you know, Max Japanese,
he's doing the championship. It's going to be an another year.
But like twenty twenty three, like we've we've had a
couple of new winners, but that would have just been
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by luck. But then afterwards we get Monaco.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
The cursors were broken.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Charloon Claire finally win his home race, and even still
after that we get two more Maxi Staphen wins, and
I think at this point, I'm not sure if we
mentioned it in the podcast, but I was definitely thinking,
you know, there's there's no way anyone else can compete this.
It might be just a fourth year of Red Bull winning.
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But then if you look beyond the race results and
you actually look into the into the race itself, what
actually happens.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
You can see sort of an uprise in in the
Flian's performance.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
It doesn't say because obviously because the winner, there's only
one winner, but you can see the performance increase of
Londons and history getting podiums after podium And then you
get to a race like Austria where London Earth is
finally challenging for a win against Max Stepan, you know,
in equal terms. But then obviously they have that incident
and George Russell takes the win, a surprise victory for
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Lewis Hamilton and at the British Rand Prix, I think
that's well deserved. We've we can all agree on that.
And then after that Max Stepan hasn't got a win
since and I think something has definitely happened from just
before the summer break to now where Red Bull have
sort of lost the plot and they don't really know
what they're doing, and every year is different.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You know, we can't.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
As much as it's good to use data from the past,
you can't expect anything to be the same in the future,
especially not in a sport like f one. It very
much seems like everything is the same, especially to new
fans or people who don't really know the sport well.
But those you know and understand the sport to a true,
a true level will be able to confidently believe that.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
You can't. I can't expect.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Anything to happen based on the past. Obviously with an
eight year run with Mercedes you could, and maybe a
two or three year run with Red Bull. But this
season is very much like no other. And I think
we said it before at the beginning of the of
the podcast for this season that we're definitely going to
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get some surprises along the way, and I think I'm
very excited as a plan fan to be seeing these
new race winners, well not new faces, but we were
returning faces, like with the likes of Lewis Hamilton, Charlott
Claire and I think a championship battle actually and the
constructors is definitely on.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
All right, let's take a quick break. We were right
back with some discussion of the woes and the wins
of the Italian Grand Prix. Al Right, we are back,
and now it's time to have a look at some
of the woes and the winners from the twenty twenty
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four Italian Grand Prix. First off, a can you give
me your Driver of the Weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
For the Italian Grand Prix. I mean, I think it's
a pretty easy one to say. I'm going to go
with Charlotte Clair. Obviously, uh Ferrari had a major upgrade
this weekend and they sort of deserve to win based
on their performance. But I think, you know, I think
everyone is sort of excited for Charlotte Blair this weekend
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to win Ferri's home race. You know, I'm sure all
of the Tafosi are, and I think we, even if
we aren't Fri fans, we are very happy for him.
So I think Driver of the Weekend has to go
to shout out Jeff, I.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Agree with you wholeheartedly. I am Oh god, I was
absolutely buzzing when we saw the podium, the beautiful podium
celebrations and Munza with the sea of Scuderia fans. That
brings me back to twenty nineteen when shall Whilst won
the Italian Grand Prix, one of the first Grand Prix
that I watched live, and that was ah chills. That
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was a crazy race and so was this and yeah,
I mean absolutely inspired one stop strategy for the win.
I think Ferrari have turned the whole conversation on its head.
You know. I don't know if you recall a few
years ago with the whole Spinotto meme, but there was
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there has certainly been some moments that Ferrari would like
to forget on the strategy side of things. But they've
turned out rounds Dutch Grand Prix. They converted P six
and P ten in Quarley to a double top five
finish and this time around they went all in. They
went all in on the one stop and came away
with the win. Amish, is this a is this a
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philosophy change at Ferrari because the car doesn't seem to
go to have got much better.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
To be honest, well, yeah, I think morale definitely seems
higher after the race win. But and especially in the
Dutch Roun Prix. The results are pretty good. They converted
a low qualifying position into a good race results and
that's what's important. Qualifying for the For the Italian Rand Prix,
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you know they weren't they were still pretty high up.
It was George Russell who was P three. After that
became the Ferrari, so four and five. They converted child
the players P four until win, which is really good.
But yeah, I think I think they do have a
few upgrades. They have a new front and rear wing
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from Wansa. I think now is a really good time
to get that in because they really wanted for I
really wanted to give it their role for Monza and
sort of Boostmorrow not just for the team but for
their fans as well.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Then that's important.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Monza is a is a low downforce track as we
all know, so bringing you upgrades is quite difficult to
make an impact because the field should be quite tight.
You know, everyone should be performing at a similar level
because there's less aerodynamic influence. Apart from just having as
little downforce as possible. We saw a red ball they
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put they were a slightly higher downforce package just so
they can get through Sector two quite quickly, but it
didn't really turn in the favor of them, and everyone
else sort of was faster in the speed traps I
think were pretty high up there. I have data here
which shows, you know, their flow has increased, it's improved.
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I think they've increased the lengths of some parts to
sort of manipulate airflow in.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
A more efficient way. I think that's important.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Considering the idea of dirty air at Monza is very
important because although we have a big slipstream and toe,
as they were talking about along this weekend, there are
there's always going to be the effect of dirty air
when following the car behind, and I think that was
really important during the race. We looked at McLaren as
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well well. I think both both Landonorris and Oscarpyastri both
said that a clean air is king, and I think
that goes to show. That went to show very importantly
in this weekend because they seem to be sort of
struggling following the cars ahead, which were the Ferrari's. But yeah,
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I think Ferrari's technical upgrades have definitely shown strengths this weekend.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Do you think they can catch up with Red Bull
and spark a three a fight for the title. Is
that is that out of the question at the moment?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I definitely, I wouldn't put it out of question. I
think it's definitely. I think it's quite far to be honest,
you's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Let's points.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
It's it's a difficult one to say, you know. I
mean they're quite they're quite up there, you know. But
on on the drivers, on the driver championship, I don't
think so. But on the constructors, I think they do
need a sense of consistency and that is something that
we can't really rely on with Ferrari as much as
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it's saying, we have to be honest and face the
face the facts. You know, they've got to two race wins,
which is pretty three race winds, which is actually the
same as Claren this year. But I think when they
haven't been winning, the race results haven't been haven't been
so consistent. If you look at the the run or
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the current runner up Claren, when they're not winning, they've
at least got a P two or P three or
both coming out the race weekends. That's something that Ferrari
just haven't been doing. And although they're what thirty nine
points behind. It's still a bit of a stretch and
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I think they need to get part McLaren as well,
who are on a streak at the moment, and I
think it's a big challenge for them. But P three
will be a really good result.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think their battle is with Mercedes.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Even though Mercedes are quite far behind, they are on
they're sort of climbing their way up the ranks.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
But yeah, I think Frari are in a good place
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I know about that point on consistency, actually, I mean
the combined charl Leclair and color of Science of Race
thirty two races, and out of those thirty two races,
they've only finished outside of the top five and seven occasions.
That means that they finished within the top five in
seventy nine percent of their running and bearing in mind
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Carlos Science Mister race in Saudi Arabia, that's also not
including two retirements, one for Leclaire and one for Science
as well, So that's a pretty good ratio of races
that they've finished. They've only they've only not been They've
only been outside of the top five on four occasions,
so I think their consistency is just about there. And
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they can they can and close the gap to mcclap.
I think Charlotclair, if he puts in a few more
sar performances as he has he's been doing, he's on
the triple podium run, he could get about where Norris
is by the end of the season. I mean, it's
not out of the question. I think it's more difficult
for Norris to close the gap to Max, to be frank,
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And if Carlos Science tries to recapture the form, or
if he does recapture the form of the first few races,
you could definitely challenge Piastre for P four as well.
So I would not put it out of the question.
And it's more the Ferrari curse or the Ferrari environment
that I'm worried about, and also perhaps the fact that
the Ferrari car is nowhere near the McLaren at the moment.
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But I wouldn't be surprised if you know, this time
next year Ferrari a putting in a shift for the
title if they you know, if they really do get
a wiggerlong, especially with Leclair and Lewis Hamilton in the mix.
So I don't know if I agree with you there
to be honest.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, it was definitely right. It's not out of question.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I'm just saying it's it's difficult if we look at
like you're right, if we look at the steps. Ferrari's
averaging thirty points per race weekend, you know they've got
They had a good start. You know, Australia was probably
by far their best race at the beginning, and I
think that's been their best race about the whole season
so far.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
That was a Ferrari one to write with.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Carlor Science winning, so that would be pretty That was
pretty good. Unfortunately they had a double g N. I
think Canada de zer points. But in the sort of
McLaren uprise after say Spain or including Spain, they haven't
scored as much point as many points as they should
be to be competing for P two or even the
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leader of the Constructor Championship. The British Corn Prix was
pretty poor for them eleven points, say, with the Spanish
Corn Prix under twenty with eighteen points. But the Italian
Gorand Prix, like you said, probably then next best, next
best race in terms of points, but I think even better.
It's probably even better than Australia in terms of winning
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at that stage of the season because the boost morale,
and it's definitely showing a sense of strength for the
latter half, which is I think arguably just as important
as scoring more points at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Let's move on to you thought was the biggest sort
of flop of the weekend. Who do you think could
have before way better?
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I'm gonna but I think an obvious answer at the beginning,
at the at the top end of the field, I
would say Max hast happened, you know, qualifying qualifying P six.
It's not great for him. I think it was a
difficult race, and I don't think you can excuse that,
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especially of the driver of his caliber and his expectations.
You know, if he's meant to be leading the Driver's Championship,
you know, he can't afford to have one a race
like this, especially going on a six Dix race streak
without having one.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You know, I think it's been a difficult time for him.
Another driver would like to mention, would it be Hm?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I would want to say the Alpines. I think they
did all right, but both both Pierre Gasley and Esteban
Klan have been pretty quiet, but yeah, I don't have
a major a major name to be referring to this time.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think the point you made earlier was interesting about
you know, it's not it's not the step. At the
end of the day, the stap and has control over
certain things and not control over some certain things, and
you're right there. It's a big disappointment, but on recent
form it's quite characteristic. But I think the person that
I'm personally quite quite disappointed with this weekend is Nico Holkenberg,
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who qualified well tenth another Q three for Nico, and
usually when he gets into that position he converts it,
but on this occasion he got bogged down at the
start contact with Ricardo, granted not his fault, but that
put him in a bit of a tough position for
the remainder of the race. He had a clash with
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Sonoda early on that went awry, very silly move going
down the inside, big lock up and smashed into the
side of Sonoda and took him out for the Grand Prix,
ruined his own race by breaking his front wing and
also accruing that ten second time penalty. So Nico Holgenberg,
in terms of what I expected from a weekend where
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I see Nico Holgenberg P ten qually really really let
me down with seventeenth in the end. Some of it,
as I say, was not entirely in his control, but
I think he could have done more to try and
hold onto that P ten position to perhaps snag a
point four pass. Let's move on to finally, your biggest
(31:34):
surprise of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I think it's pretty obvious here, regardless of the lack
of points being scored. I'm going to go with Franco
colo Pinto. I think you expect. I think you'd be.
I'd be surprised if anyone said otherwise, because you know,
Franklin Colopinto. I think this is one of his first
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time driving an F one car. Obviously he's done tests,
but little experience, his little experience in the left one car.
Let's alone a race at Grand Prix, and I think, you.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Know, finishing P twelve he qualified lower down, I think,
and he definitely made his way up. Definitely a good
first first drive in the Formula One scene for him,
and I'm looking forward to see him for the rest
of the season as amamish.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
But my biggest surprise personally was McLaren throwing away a
one two finish.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Ah yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I think that that McLaren car is absolutely, you know,
on rails the first few it's been on rails the
first few few races since we've come back, and I
fully expected the claire to get swallowed up by the
McLaren's come the end of the race, but that's just
(32:59):
not how how it turns. And doubt that Ferrari car,
which is sort of clearly, clearly less less pacy than
the McLaren, was able to convert the victory. And I
think that's partially because of a lack of communication and
the lack of cooperation between Oscar and Lando. I think
(33:20):
it's partially a lack of appreciation of possible strategy outcomes
from McLaren, and I think it's partially sort of misjudged
timing when you go, when you push, which McLaren just
really who have been on the ball so far this season.
They've been converting. I think McLaren have performed to their
(33:40):
ceiling so far this year. I think they've performed as
well as they can in almost every race, and this
is one of the few races this season where McLaren
have really let themselves go a little bit, I think,
and perhaps been a bit complacent, perhaps assumed that Leclaire
would fall into their grasp rather than in during that
they could take the victory. And that's sound characteristic of McLaren.
(34:04):
Think they'll learn from it, hopefully and hopefully be able
to come back better. But it's by pure chance that
Rebel have been having an absolute nightmare recently and they've
managed to close the gap. If Red Bull were on
top form, they would have been they would have been poached,
(34:24):
in my opinion, they would have been picked off by
the Redbulls. But that's not how it is at the moment.
McClaren got lucky. They maintain their streak of closing the
gap to Red Bull, but they can't make too many
more mistakes with that Rebel car debilitated as it is
at the moment, they really need to get there together, Amish.
(34:46):
We are going to take another break. When we come back.
We're going to have some tech talk and we're also
going to go over to crash Corner. All right, welcome
back to F one. Isn't real now, I Miss. We're
(35:07):
going to have a look at the technological side of things.
Your area of expertise and must take us through some
of the key upgrades and technical advancements this weekend, please.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Okay, Ben, So, I'm going to keep it simple, starting
off with Red Bull, and they're sort of a latter performance.
Let's say I spoke about this before. Maxis Staffan particularly
enjoys a car that is oversteering and twitchy, which is
very different to the rest of the grid, and I
think this is probably why Max Staffa's teammates have struggled
(35:43):
in the same car. I think this weekend there was
an insane amount of understeering for Max Stappa's liking, which
for those who don't know what it means is when
you try and turn the car, it doesn't turn as
much as you wanted to because there's a lack of grip.
And I think this is extremely significant in the track
(36:05):
like Monza, because all the cars, all the teams, they're
running low downforce. And what David Croft was explaining to
us on the commentary on the live viewing on Sky
Sports this weekend was that Red Bull went for a
slightly higher downforce package, which is sort of unusual because
it's sort of as if Red Bull knew they were
(36:27):
compromising top speed and in the speed traps, we didn't
see Red Bull anywhere near the top. It was more
of the lights of Williams and Mercedes and even Priori
in some cases.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Which is sort of important to note Monza where it
has the temple of the speed of it.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
This is his nickname, and I think that's a mistake
that Red Bull definitely have made in terms of upgrades.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
They haven't really brought.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Anything new to the in the season since a few
races ago, not that I know of, until I think
the last one was definitely before the summer holidays, moving
on to Ferrari. I did mention this before they came
to Monza, with a new front wing and a rear wing.
(37:14):
I think it's important to note upgrade, especially from Monza,
because a new front wing and the rear wing, you'd
think they'd have more downforce, but I think what it
means is they have a front wing and a rear
wing which has a less downforce because they have a
greater top speed and that's what essentially wins them the race.
(37:37):
And it's important to note as well that having a
low downforce can be dangerous for tires. Pr management across
Monsa is relatively you know, it's sort of difficult and
in F one or in mostiport in general, when you
have a higher downforce setup, it's generally easier to manage
(38:00):
and MONSOI this is a relatively higher degradation circuit. So
it was pretty impressive to see Charla Claire hold onto
his tires at the end of the race, because degradation
would have been generally quite high with a low downforce setup.
Looking at McLaren as well, they haven't bought brought any
(38:23):
new upgrades since the beginning of some of holidays, but
those upgrades are sort of lasting them through this period
of the season and I think, you know, I think
we've mentioned this before. Their new era package is definitely
doing them well, and I think if anything, looking into
the future, they sort of definitely need to develop do
(38:44):
some research and development on managing tires because at the
moment they're sort of grasping onto the idea of cleaning
are as king and I think when they're in a
position where they're not leading, it's very they're very vulnerable,
and I think they need to work on that. Being
able to follow cars in front. That's a sort of
(39:05):
downside and a weakness of the Plaran, and I think
in the future races, especially towards the end of the season,
if they want to have a fighting chance, they do
need to work on designing a car on a designing
set up that can definitely follow another car, especially a
REDI Bull. But yeah, that's all I have to say
for the tech talk of this episode. Back to you then,
(39:29):
perfect stuff ash. Now we're going to head over to
crash Corner take a little look at some of the
crashes that have defined the last two weekends. First off,
is one that truly did define someone's career. Logan Sergeant.
Logan Sergeant, Logan sergeant.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Oh my goodness me massive shunt in FP three example,
with an estimated cost of one point seventy three million dollars.
That is enough to buy two point two industry real
grade cranes. Wonderful stuff. If you had one point seven
three million dollars knocking around your bank account, what would
(40:08):
you spend it on.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
If I had that much money, I would probably try
and buy my way into the sport, like a few
other drivers have in the past. But yeah, that's why
I would spend my money on, probably invest it into
a comment thing career. Even though it's a bit late
to start, but yeah, that is a lot of money.
Like you did say, it's a good answered, that's a
very good answer.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
But getting into the quote quite serious stuff here. It's
not looking good. He's not looking good for Logan Stargent.
It wasn't looking good all weekend and it definitely was
not looking good when it was announced that he was
going to be replaced for the rest of the season
by mister Cola Pinto. We've touched on it earlier briefly,
(40:51):
but is this man the right choice for the rest
of the season.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Well, I think even though he didn't score a point
in the taling roon Pree, I'd like to think it's
a strong start. It's very difficult to say, you know,
because the last time we sort of had this position
was Nick de Frees.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
What did he do?
Speaker 4 (41:12):
He debuted on the Italian on free twenty twenty two,
I believe, and he scored a point and everyone thought
that was amazing, which it was, you know, starting scoring
a point in your debut, that's a really good achievement, especially.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
For a rookie.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Yeah, he got signed the following season and didn't last
until halfway, and for Logan Sergent's case, he lasted the
season and a bit, and I think this is sort
of coming to the end of his career. He learns
longer than Nick de Frees are given that, but in
his Tan Williams, I think he scored one point this
(41:53):
season and a couple last season, which you know, it's
not great, especially comparing himself to.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
The likes of Alex Album.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Uh. You know, last season, Logan Sergeant scored one point
and this season, Logan Sergeant has not scored a point.
Oh so yeah, that's that's that's according to the one
official website.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
So I think there's a lot of pressure on him,
and I think he's had the time to sort of
develop his his driving abilities. He's not a rookie anymore,
and he's definitely not performing up to par compared to
Alex Album. And I think I don't know whether that
goes whether Alex Album is sort of too fast for
the Williams car and he needs to move to a
(42:40):
past team, or you know, it could be Logan Sergeant
just isn't performing as he should be, and I think
it is the right decision to get a new driver
in you know, F one is a harsh sport.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
You can't say it's easy to to survive. Everyone's find
their seat constantly, apart from unless your match just happened,
of course, But yeah, I think it's I'm looking forward
to see mister Franco colo Pinto driving for the remainder
of the season.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
He gown, Yep, he's dead, he's done no more logan
sergeant is ascending to the clouds above where Nicholas Nikita,
Mazapin Maldonardo. I guess you know that live out the
rest of their their lives on their cushy, you know
(43:32):
few million that they've earned from this sport, and you
know good and him he gave it a crack, but
another page driver bites the dust. I think probably for
the best. Colopinto seemingly is making some waves this season,
or has made some waves, certainly in his first race.
How sustainable is it? I guess we'll see. But it's
(43:53):
a good thing that he's being replaced by science if
it goes awrye which is certainly a possibility. Speaking of science,
the next season, can he save the date at Williams?
You know they've come back. They've come back at the
Italian Grand Prix from a pretty shocking weekend of you know,
(44:13):
illegal flaws crashes, qualifying Mayhem with a sodid P nine
from from alex But that you know that two points.
It keeps them alive, keeps them in contention with Alpine
for eighth. But will Science's addition actually saved them from
from yet another sort of era of mediocrity or is
(44:37):
the car a little bit far gone at this point
compared to their competitors.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Well, we don't know for next year, but if you
look at the trajectory they're on, it's not looking amazing.
For Carla Signs is definitely going to be a dip
in his career, going from Ferrari to Scuderia.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Down to Williams.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
And it's a shame because Williams holds such an amazing
name to it. You know, it has so much history
and it has a legacy which is difficult to match.
And it's sad that they're not performing, especially in the
last five or six years, how they should be. It's
been a while since they've had their laugh win. I
think that was with the one and only Pastor Madonado,
(45:17):
if I'm correct, But yeah, I think it would definitely
take a toll on his career, but it's a shame
that the rest of the grid in terms of constructors
don't value Carla Signs as much as he should be.
You know, coming going to Ferrari probably one of the
biggest things in his careers in his career, and it's
(45:40):
definitely given him an opportunity to show how fast of
a driver he is. And I don't think the teams
in that sort of period of time have taken the
time to reflect on how good of a driver he is.
And it comes to a point where he might be
getting too old. You know, yesterday was his thirtieth birthday.
Saying that's old, don't hopefully no one will take offense
(46:02):
to that. But in an F one career, he's sort
of moving away from his prime, prime era. You know,
look at the primes of other drivers that thought they
were definitely in their early thirties late twenties when when
they were winning races and winning championships. So I think
(46:22):
it's it's going downhill for Carlos and I really hope
you can sort of make an impact at Williams and
I think he him and Alex album will definitely.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Make a good a good year next year.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
But yeah, listen, I agree in a sense with this,
with the sort of Carlos Science pity party. But you know,
part of me thinks, if I were an F one constructor,
would I want to invest my entire future in Carlos Science.
(46:55):
Maybe not? Maybe not not necessarily. You know, he shown
an extreme amount of promise over the past, you know,
nearly decade, for about eight or so years, and you know,
he's had real flashes where he's been absolutely excellent. For example,
in his first year at Ferrari, finishing fifth in the
(47:17):
Constructors Championship, beating out Charles Clair. And at the start
of this season where he had in the three races
that he did run was a podium podium podium. But
is he the man that you want to put all
of your eggs in the basket of right? I don't.
I'm not entirely I'm not you know, I've been considering
(47:37):
this the last few weeks, and yes, is he currently
on better form than Sojio Paris, Yes he is. But
is he the person who you want for the future
of your team. I'm not entirely sold. I'm not completely sold.
He's a quality driver, he's he's a Ferrari right now
for a reason, and to be frank, there aren't really
(47:58):
many better to options on the grid at the moment,
but maybe people are a little bit wary. But to
be frank, right, if we're if we're if I'm going
to argue that about Carlo Science, if I'm going to
say people should be wary, then our next stop, a
crash corner would really needs a bit of a talking to,
(48:18):
and that is twenty twenty five Mercedes driver Kimi Antonelli,
who binned it at Parabolica in a fifty two G
crash in FP one, which he walked away from being
announced as the Mercedes driver hours later. How does this
(48:39):
decision stit with you, AMESH?
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he's not even a rookie
yet and he's making Yeah, I don't think you can
put too much pressure on him making one mistake. Obviously
it's not great, it's not good indicator to the crash
in your one of your early experien is in the sport,
and I think it is a difficult environment for him
(49:05):
to be in, you know, going straight to Mercedes as
a rookie, we don't usually see that, and I think
he would be I think he'd be suited better in
a team like Williams where he can develop his his
driving in the Formula One. You know, we saw it
with George Russell. He started off for Williams and if
(49:25):
there was, you know, an opportunity for him to go
to Mercedes at the beginning, I definitely would have said
that he should have.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Gone to Williams.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Anyways, even if he could have gone to Mercedes from
the start, It's going to be interesting next year to
watch him there. I don't think I think he'll be.
He'll be, He's more than capable. I'm not sure how
he will perform compared to George Russell, but the pressure
is really high on him at the moment. But clearly
(49:56):
Mercedes and to Wolf see something in the young driver.
It was only a few weeks older than me myself.
But yeah, there's I think he's promising. He's a promising driver.
I think everyone will make mistakes at some point in
their career. In this one for gimme Antonelli it's it's
(50:16):
now with that big crash, but I don't think it's
any cause of concern.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I'm trying to think back to the last driver that
was just thrown into such a big seat next to
Stephen or London Norris, but that was when McClaren weren't
so big. But Max started out as a rookie with
With then too. Yeah, that was a rookie at Toro Rosso.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
I want to say Alex Alex Album finished his rookie
season at Redcord. That's a big that's a big thing.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
I think it was probably down to Pierre ghastly extrume,
you know, having a bit of a torrid time of it.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
True, but it doesn't doesn't take away the fact that
he managed to make his.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Way to Red Books and look how that worked out,
How that worked.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Out exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
That is is a shame.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
I think that Antonelli is having a lot of face
putting him for such a such a young, young, such
an unproved I think he could really do with a
seat at Williams. George Russell, for all that he has
always been a quality driver, has you know, I feel
(51:33):
like he's his skill and his racecraft was molded in
that three years at Williams. He managed to secure a
podium with them back in Spa in that race that
was essentially rained off.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Obviously it was dictated by qualifying, which gives him the
name Miss the Saturday.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Absolutely and he when he was thrown into that Mercedes
he frankly should have secured the victory. Unfortunately, due to
reasons out of his control, he could not. But I
don't think Colo Pinto is a generational talent in the
same way that George Russell is. Sorry, Colobinto, I don't
think that Antonelli is is that talent. I just don't
(52:13):
envision him having a great season next year and a
couple bad seasons on the trot. I don't think Mercedes
can really afford that. Maybe they're experimenting with Antonelli in
the hope that when the twenty twenty six regulations come around,
they will that's that's a theory that Mercedes could be
sort of throwing the next few seasons in a way
(52:33):
to prepare to save up funds for the twenty twenty
six regulation change and then twenty twenty eight in the future.
But it just seems like a bit of a baffling
strategy for success from Toto Wolf, who has been hasn't
really been on his best form the past. You know,
I would say since he signed Russell from that point onwards.
(52:55):
He's been as been a bit of a downhill trajectory
for Toto Wolf.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, there's not really much else
to say on that note, but I think they definitely
see something in the future that we don't. And there's
probably way more information about Jimmy Antonelli than that is
out there, but we just don't know it because it's
behind closed doors. And I think all we can do
(53:21):
now is just wait until that see it is open
for him and he can jump in and get going.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
But yeah, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
We will have to see how he does last off
at crash Corner to finish off the pod. This week,
we're going to take a look at Kevin Magnuson in
the House You toussle with Pierre Gasly made contact. Picked
up a penalty ten second time penalty in the Italian
Grand Prix, and that has translated into two penalty points
(53:56):
to his license to a super license, which no super
license to his well, two penalty points for k MAG
and that means that he's picked up twelve penalty points
this season. He's now going for a he's now going
to be banned for one race. He's going to miss
out on the on the next Grand Prix in Baku,
(54:19):
And do you think this is fair? Do you think
this is this is sort of Kevin magnuson facing the
music which he's been seemingly sort of which he has
semingly been avoiding for this entire season.
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yeah, I definitely think it's there's a reason why, you know,
he's got it right, he's sort of getting.
Speaker 5 (54:39):
Himself into trouble with sort of minor crashes and you
can't you can't always put the name racing incident on
these events, you know, Uh, this case the Tannelal career,
I think it was it was a bit harsh because.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
The driver on the other end, he didn't you know
it right.
Speaker 4 (54:58):
I don't think he came out with in insane amount
of damage or it didn't really affect the race as
much as it could have. And I don't think it
was I didn't think that incident was called for a
time penalty or any sort of sanction in that matter.
But I think looking across this season definitely has shown
(55:18):
some aggressive and messy driving from gay Mad. I think
everyone sort of knows that he's a great defending driver,
but there comes to a point where he's crossed the
line and sort of has earned himself this race band
But I think as a fan, not a direct fan
(55:40):
of Kevin Magison, but as a fan of Formula one,
it definitely opens up a window for us because Olli
Behman is going to be replacing him if I'm correct,
and as we have seen last time in Saudi Arabia,
Olli Behman has definitely given us given F one to
(56:00):
show a spectacular show with Ferrari, and hopefully he can
use this next race to get used to the hasscar
he will be driving next season.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
This is an interesting one for HASS because there was
a lot of talk from Pierre Gasli himself in fact,
about appeal of the decision in a way. I mean,
I don't know about you, Amish, but if I were
in if I were in charge of the decision making
at HASS, then I think I would probably let this
(56:35):
one go because the fact is that k Mag is
not going to be in that seat in twenty twenty
five and Oli Berman is, so this might may be
one of his only chances, I mean hopefully for k
Mag his only chance to shine in the hasscar before
he takes his place amongst the grid proper next season?
(56:58):
Will this be beneficial has.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
Well, I mean, it just gives the more data. I guess,
really there's more, more better.
Speaker 4 (57:09):
I guess it's not a lessons more situation, Oli Beman
getting gathering more information for the team. You know, they
can definitely use that going forward into twenty twenty five.
Obviously it won't be the same car, but it would
definitely give Olibman more experience in F one. And I
think that's, you know, a small step forward. It's definitely
(57:31):
not a step back, and I think that's what you
just have to look on the bright side in this situation.
It's unfortunate that came out can't be racing, but for
the team and for the future, it's definitely, you know,
a positive outcome.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
I agree with you. I think that seeing Olibman in
the house will be music to the well mute well,
music to the eyes, mixing metaphors to Gene has who
needs to see if he's putting his money in the
right place. This time around, they've gone through. Now this
is going to be their third third time in the
(58:09):
past five years where they're going to refresh, where they're
going to a complete reset, of their driver lineup, and
so I think they will want to collect some data.
They'll want to see how it's going to work out
a mesh. Thank you for joining me. As always, thank
you everybody at home for listening. Next time out, we're
going to have a round of F one unpopular Opinions.
(58:29):
We're going to go over the twenty twenty five driver
lineups and see how our predictions diverged from the outcome,
and we're going to preview the Azerbaijen Grand Prix for you.
All of that coming next week, Ash, thank you for
joining me on yet another double episode. It's been lovely
to have you.
Speaker 3 (58:50):
Thanks very much,
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