FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Jason Quitt

Tonight, author and researcher Jason Quitt joins us to talk about his new book: Astral Experiences!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:31):
This Hope Radio for the NASSIS headline of this July eighth,
nineteen forty seven, the Yauni Airport has an ounce start
applying this has been found and there's now in the
possession of the air.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
The game is really changed, the game game.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
This is Day to Black. It's your host, Jimmy Church
on the Game Changer Radio Network. All right, well, well
well Fade to Black. Yeah, yeah, how you doing today?
Is Thursday, May twenty second, twenty twenty five. I am

(01:24):
your host, Jimmy Church, And this is where I get
to say, it's my Friday, not yours. Yeah, it's my Friday.
Wrapping up another amazing week here on Fade to Black,
and tonight we're gonna do that in style. Jason Quit
is back with us and an amazing week. Monday night
we had Lori Spanna on with us, raising your vibration.

(01:47):
Tuesday Night Dana Luise, one of the craziest fun shows
we've done in a while. This is gonna sound weird.
Last night Thomas Jane was here talking about his book
that's about to come out of Human's Guide to Visit Aliens.
And then tonight, of course Jason Quit, who has also
got a new book out, Astral Experiences. Now I've got

(02:08):
three major events coming up. That's right, counting three. There's more,
but right now we're announcing three. Contacting the Desert is
next weekend right here in southern California and Palm Springs,
and I just got off the phone with the good
people over there at Contacting the Desert getting some business
straighten out and figuring out things. It's going to be

(02:30):
an exciting weekend. So come and hang out with us.
Jason Quit's going to be there, Thomas Jane last night,
he's going to be there. Oh you know what, I'm
just going to make this announcement. Something very cool is
going to go down tomorrow for me personally. My producer here, Michelle.
She's been with me for a very very long time

(02:52):
and books the show and handles all of my funny business.
She is in town for Contact in the Desert and
tomorrow night we're gonna go out to dinner.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I get to buy Michelle dinner tomorrow night. She has
earned it and she's in town, so she's gonna stop
by the house and we're gonna go out. It's gonna
be a lot of fun and maybe take some selfies.
So yeah, here we are Contact in the Desert and
everybody is in town. I know that Jason. We were

(03:27):
just talking before the show. Jason gets in Thursday. I
get in Thursday. I'm gonna be hanging out with Jason
Thursday night.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I cannot wait.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
So my people, man, So if you're gonna be at
Contact in the Desert, get there early. You can get
it's free tickets on It's free to get in on Thursday.
Come and find us. We will be hanging out somewhere
down where they serve alcohol. That's for Jason. I don't drink,

(04:00):
but we're going to be doing that down in the lounge.
Just come and find all the fader knots and we'll
be right there. Okay, So I'll see you Thursday night
and Friday night. Of course, I'll be hosting the meet
and greet gala party in the Crystal Ballroom, and so
come and hang out with this. It's going to be
a lot of fun. So that's next weekend right after that, man,

(04:22):
So that ends on June and second June seventeenth, I'll
be heading down to Peru with Brian Forrester and I'm
going to be there for ten days and then turn
around and come back that is for the Inca Celebration
of the Sun. And then right after that I head
out for the SI Games. That's just a couple of
days later, August first through the third in Charlottesville, Virginia.

(04:47):
The links for that are also below. And then right
after that, literally a few days after that, I am
in production for my TV show. So I have got
a very very very very busy month coming up, starting
next week. Bear with me, you know, I'm out there

(05:08):
getting work done, and I'm gonna squeeze fade to black
in in between all of that fun stuff. All right,
all right? So who with all of that, Jason Quit
is back. He's got a new book out, Astral Experiences.
I have it. I'm so lucky. I get the pre

(05:28):
print unedited version, then I get the edited version, then
I get the version with the cover on the book,
and then I get the next version. Get the next version.
Jason makes sure I'm prepared, you know. And so that's
the new book. The links for that are below. You
can go to the Crystal Sun. We've also got it
up in the chat room, and now we're gonna be

(05:53):
going through all of the elements of what Astral is. Okay,
so we're gonna it's out of body and different versions
of it. We're going to do that. What he has seen,
his encounters, what the entities are spirits, who is he
run into, where he's he been, what is he seen

(06:15):
outside of our reality? And he's the author of many books,
including Gates of the Ananaki and all the books and
everything else that you need for Jason is at the
Crystal Sun, and the links for that are below. Before
I get into a long intro and go through his
extremely lengthy bio, I'm going to bypass all of that

(06:37):
because I can. Yeah, I'm going to see him next week.
I want to welcome back to Fated Black and one
and only Jason Quitt. He's right there. Jason.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Great to be back, and you know, I'm going to
see you next week. It's amazing to see everybody again
at contact. So you know, I didn't even think about
it because I was working so hard on this book
and getting everything ready and now it's like it's week Yeah,
So it's a perfect timing.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's uh, you think you think, you think it's such
it's such a fun event, and and you're right about that.
It's what a lot of because I used to be
an attendee of conferences before, right, and so you see
it as an attendee from the outside. Well, most people
don't realize. A few get to experience this, but all

(07:28):
of the speakers, all of the presenters, it's just a
small group of friends, you know, and it's our opportunity
to hang out with each other and get caught up. Uh.
We're doing stuff and working together all year long, not
only you know, with conferences, but it's you know, fade
to black, and it's TV, it's movies. You know, we're

(07:51):
constantly doing stuff together. And you know what. Okay, I
don't want you to say who, what, where or when.
I don't want you to do that. But this is
how this community works. The speaker's were all friends. I
get a phone call. It's a producer for TV network
and he says, Okay, Jimmy, we're working on this and

(08:13):
we would like somebody like this, somebody like this, somebody
like this, give us some names and some contacts. I go, okay,
this is what you want to do for this first one.
We're going to do this for the second one, for
the third one, you know, and I want you to
reach out to Jason Quit, you know. And that's what
we do. You know, it's like that all year long.
People think that you just come on the show and

(08:35):
that's it. No, we are working with each other as
a family all year long, aren't we.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
We are, And you know that's what makes this so special.
And yes, well we get together and like you said,
we're going to the bar and you don't drink. I
don't drink, but we still go.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
There, We still go, We still go. I'll manage. You know.
Here's the thing with hanging out with Oh that's beautiful.
What is that? Uh?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Pat Breeze just in the chat says, can I see
your shunkit skull?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
So I just man, just ignore Pat Breeze, all right?
You know Pat, Pat, Pat who I love. Right, I've
known Pat for a long time, over ten years. But
Pat doesn't hang out anymore. He only hangs out when
you crystal folks, when Ewans are on the show, then Pat,

(09:29):
then Pat suddenly got time for me now, you know.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
So he's too busy woodworking.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, is that what he's doing now?

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, Pat Breeze is amazing. God, he's to have the
best conversations with that guy. He he has given me
more advice on what to sleep with in my bed
than any other adult male. And I'm going to leave
that right there. I'm gonna leave that right there. I
thought you were holding up. This is uh, this is

(09:58):
meteor right here.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, I got a bigger chunk. You know what I
do have it. It's on display, it's out there somewhere.
I have alienite.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Alien Yeah, I haven't heard of that one.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I have some alien nite, but this big. It's crazy.
It's like meteorite, right, but with like forty other minerals crazy. Yeah,
instead of you know, meteorit like this is like iron
you know what I mean? Uh? But yeah, alienite. I've

(10:38):
got me some alienite. It's really cool. It's really cool.
And where was I? Okay? All right, all right, all right,
all right, all right. I know you want to talk
about your book. I know you want to talk about
your book. Okay, all right, we'll get to that. We're
going to play some quitspiracy first, lay it on me. Okay,

(11:01):
you ready, here's here's the first conspiracy. Jason Quit has
been the most frequent guest on Fade to Black. One pipe,
two pipes, three pipes, four pipes? What say you, Jason Quit.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
That's a tough one. That's a tough one. I would
say three or four pipes.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, that's a good guess, because.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
I know Richard Doland comes on a lot, and but yeah,
I would say I'm up there because just with the
quitspiracy show alone, that's got to be at least thirteen
fourteen episodes.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
That that's true. That's true. That's true, that's true. Okay, Oh,
somebody just said five pipes, four pipes. John says one pipe.
He did all of your research. Yjasica Rodriguez coming in
with four pipes. Let's see here, Jessica s four pipes.

(12:09):
Let's see here, Roger White four pipes, and Julie REOs
pipe pipes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody's calling you out on
that one. I don't know, I don't I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
We go back to either twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen.
Is my first show?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh it was before that. Sixteen. It wasn't seventeen.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Okay, it's got to be sixteen yeah, because that's when
I first wrote or first released the Forbidden Knowledge Book.
So that's when I would have gone on with you six.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
No, you were on before that, well okay, the Bob
Mitchell book. But you were on before that. You did
a time travel show with me?

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I did, I did so maybe twenty fifteen. Yeah, so
this this literally could be the ten year anniversary yeah,
of me coming out to be the Black ten years.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
This is okay? All right, all right, this is this
is what's freaking nuts about that we have done too
many shows when we can't remember stuff like this, where
you know, it should be like the big Yeah that
first show we did remember and no, we don't even
know what the first show was.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Well, what I remember is this is that the Forbidden
Knowledge Book was all about astrol travels like an alien's.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Did you do that? Okay? When did you do the postures?

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Probably a couple episodes after that?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Okay? When were you at my house getting plowed? God?
We got drunk that night?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Oh man, I don't remember, but I do remember this.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Was that the night? Was that the night what's his
name from South Africa? Michael Tillinger, Yeah, Michael Tellinger? Was
was that was that night, wasn't it? And and we
stayed up. Okay, this is what I read. Okay, this
is okay, all right, this is how bad it was people,
And I'm not making any of this up. Jason as

(14:17):
my witness. I had to be on stage at nine am,
okay one hour from the venue, so I had to
be up at a minimum of seven am to get
there at eight to be on stage at nine am.

(14:38):
We were drinking at four am. That's what I remember.
That's what I remember. It was like five am. Everybody
gets out of the house. I laid down on the
bed and woke up and hit the shower and went down.

(14:59):
And it was all because of you. I think Monica
was a big part of causing trouble that night.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
But I do remember that you're a great host and
you made suvlaki that night.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yes, we did.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Do remember that. I did a lot of great food.
So Jimmy cooked and if if memory serves me correctly,
it was for Disclosure Fest.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
It was Disclosure Fast and we had about we had
about twenty or thirty people at my house. We we
fired up the grill. We had amazing food, dessert. I
don't know how many bottles of vodka and tequila. I
remember lining up the shot glasses all the way down
the edge of the table. I remember there was a
rose shock glasses like that, and wow, wow, what a

(15:48):
night that was. And and somehow Tallenger Tallenger, don't I
he was the he was the one. I didn't think
it was going to make it. And and there we
were at eight a m. Like a couple hours later
we were all in downtown LA taking pictures.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Good memories, really good memories.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Oh man, what a day that was. It was so
much fun. So now what year was that. That was
probably seventeen sixteen seventeen. Yeah, yeah, like right in there, Wow,
what okay, here's here's the other thing. I remember you
myself Tellinger and somebody else like Brad Harris or somebody

(16:38):
who was there, you know, till four four thirty in
the morning, we're all there, and Nasiem Harrimaine was there
and he had a good night's sleep. This is what
I remember. He wasn't with us, and he remember this. Yeah. Yeah,
he comes up to his first thing in the morning
and he's like, hey, guys, what's going on? How do

(17:00):
you guys do We're like, oh man, not so loud, dude,
let's take some pictures. And then and then somebody came
up with somebody a camera. Somebody was shooting a documentary.
I think it was Laurie, might have been laur Wagner.
Somebody was shooting a documentary. Can we ask you guys
some questions? I'm like, man, don't they they don't have

(17:22):
any idea that we're still plowed and wow, what a
morning that was. But it turned out to be just
an amazing day. Was that the day the tent got
blown over and landed on Jonah's head?

Speaker 4 (17:42):
That was the day? Yes, it was, yep, And that
was all I remember. Was there was like twenty thousand
people it was or more. I don't even know how
many people were there, but it was the biggest event
I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep. Yeah, it was a
great event. Okay, So anyway back to the point we
have we have forgotten more things? Yeah, then we remember,
and that's that's just because it's it's been a great
run and our friendship means so much to me. So

(18:19):
let's get to it. Let's get to it. We've got
a lot to talk about tonight. I want to start here.
You're going to be at contact in the desert next week,
You're going to be doing stuff all weekend long. Let's
go to your main presentation. What are you going to
be speaking about the book?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yes, the main presentation, we'll be talking about the astral experiences.
So I get into kind of like my life time
journeys with out of body experiences, with basically shamanic journeys
healing plant medicines. But then we go a little further,
and I really wanted to get into the pre ros

(19:00):
Weld idea of what people thought UFOs were. And there's
a whole lot of literature out there that was linking
the UFO phenomenon to the occult, and you know, just
like how we're doing today, like the the CE five
events where we're like meditating and calling on UFO as well,

(19:21):
they were doing that in the early twentieth century.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
And and basically there's so much information out there describing
what the UFO phenomenon was and what these beings were
as basically connected to mysticism and the occult and the
different dimensions and etheric worlds that are around us. So

(19:47):
there's a huge amount of information back then, and then
you know Roswell happens, and you get all these movies
of the you know, the UFOs coming to the day
The Earth Stood Still for example, which is an incredible movie,
but it's kind of shifted the focus to this kind
of physical alien walking out of a ship and abducting

(20:09):
people or talking to people. So I really wanted to
kind of pull it back to this kind of mystical
idea or the spiritual understanding of this dimensional world around
us and could possibly encompass the UFO phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. I what do you think,
what do you make of the evolution of the sighting
because you just touched upon it. Now where the call
in CE five style thing that was going on seventy

(20:51):
years ago right at Contact in the desert that was
the original UFO college George.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Vans, Yeah, was calling in at Big Rock in Palm Springs, yep.
And that's that's that's the spot.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, that's the spot. That's where we're going to be
next weekend. And not only Okay, so the idea of
the conscious connection to E T this is not a
modern thing. Most people think that you know, CE five
was yesterday and this is brand new, and no that

(21:29):
that that idea that protocol is is is old. It
goes back to George van Tassel, Georgia Damski.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, and Georgia Damski was around like nineteen forty seven,
forty eight.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well, you know heyday was mid fifties hey.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Day, yes, And that's when it really exploded, was with
George van Tassel, who would do like the meditations at
Big Rock and call in. So that was like the
early fifties. And you know, I talk about I'm trying
to remember his name, but I talk about the the
FBI memo that was sent out on the exact same

(22:13):
day as Roswell, which was I think it's June. It's
in my book, she's what I just opened my book.
I'll tell you. It was like June eighth, It's right, No, sorry,
July eighth, nineteen forty seven. So the exact day of
the Roswell crash and release of the newspaper from the

(22:34):
Roswell crash, the FBI gets a memo from this guy
claiming to know what the UFOs are, and he goes
into all these kind of steps describing where they come from,
what they want and because it's a post war thing,
he warns that if you ever tried, you know, to

(22:56):
send jets out to shoot them down or be hostile
to any of these crafts, they basically are made of
plasma and they have plasma like weapons, and we stand
absolutely no chance against them. So there's some very interesting
history about the UFO phenomenon that's I would say mostly buried.

(23:20):
People really don't talk about this stuff anymore, but it
really gives this kind of other side and other perspective.
But when you go even further back and you get
to kind of like the mystical side of things or
the occult things. You know, look at someone like Aleister Crowley,
for example, he was doing like he was creating portals

(23:46):
and meditating and calling and things, and a being came
to him which he believed was his master. He called
him Lamb, and he drew Lamb and it looks like
a modern day gray alien. And this is the nineteen twenties,
so you know, it's just different languages for what we're
doing or what you know, see five today. But you know,

(24:10):
if you even go further back, you get into kind
of this realm of fairy circles and you know, basically
the fairy world. It was very very similar. Descriptions of
abductions and lights and portals and you know, all these
things that we talk about today. But back then it's

(24:32):
just for folklore for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And when we look at Lamb today, I might have
let me it's just let me see, let me hold
on for a second. I might have uh No, I
don't have it there, Okay, one more, one more pop
and if I have LAMB, I will pull it up.

(24:59):
But I do not. Okay, So I don't have Lamb.
But Lamb is your prototypical gray alien. You look at Lamb.
Is there any question with what you're looking at with Lamb? No,
there's not. And then you think about when and how

(25:19):
that came about. That's pretty crazy. There was nothing else
to compare it to now talking about Van Tassel and
Contact in the Desert. Check this out. That's Fantassel. This
is Contact in the Desert nineteen fifty three. That's giant
rock in the background. There's ten thousand people here. It

(25:43):
is ginormous. And so talking about UFO conferences and everything else,
again not a modern affair. This is nineteen fifty three,
and there was another famous shot. I'll see if if I
can pull it up. I'm looking at one here. Here's
a shot from nineteen sixty eight from the cover of

(26:06):
the Desert Sun. Here's one from the San Bernardino Sun,
which shows a flying saucer above a giant rock with
the conference attendees out front. That is that is pretty crazy.
That shot right there is pretty nuts. Here's another shot here,

(26:28):
just to give everybody an idea. Let's see here if
I can't. If I can't, it's oh, I can save it, Okay,
So I'll call this Tassel two. The reason why I'm
bringing all of this up is the the conscious connection

(26:52):
of this. These people were out there doing it in
mass like no joke situation in the in the fifties,
and this went through a giant rock all the way
through to the early seventies. There's another shot. Look at
that nice Yeah, isn't that crazy?

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Just obviously those UFOs are added, No, those are real close,
are you know? What I love? You know what I
love about old pictures of UFOs, especially like Billy Myers,
is that they look like they come from the age
they were taken. Love it, you know, like the retro

(27:33):
styles and then they kind of evolve as we evolve.
So that's also a very interesting thing that the UFO
shape or the craft itself will change depending on our
technological advances.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Sort of. Yes, yeah, no, I would say that that's
mostly accurate. But two years ago I was in Sedona
and and I go up to the airport above Sedona,
which is on the top of this mountain, right this hill.
It's really cool. It's on a cliff. And I'm up

(28:08):
there and I get out of the jeep and I'm
with Michael of Sdona. He's great, and so we're there
and I was leaning over. It's probably nine thirty at night,
and I was getting something out of my backpack and
I see something right, just something catches my eye and
I look just like that look and it's a freaking

(28:32):
flying saucer just right over us. It's low and it
goes right and I'm looking. I'm like a flying sausage.
What you know, You've got to be kidding me not.
It was a flying saucerman, And it went right over
us and continued and then disappeared over the trees. Now,

(28:55):
I was with Michael last month. I went up to
the airport. I was hanging out. He had some uh,
some people up there and he had taken up there
and he wanted me to meet them, and so I'm
went up and uh and I asked my said, do
you remember that? He goes, Jimmy, I'm going to tell

(29:16):
you right now, that was one of the only things
that I've seen that was definitely e t And it
was the last thing that I have ever seen that
was et I've never seen anything like that before since,
not like that. It was crazy. It was a flying sauce.

(29:38):
I looked right, it was made no noise, it wasn't high,
it wasn't high. And listen, Jason, Yes, I realized, doubt.
I realized, this sounds like just crazy shit. I know,
I know what it sounds like. I know what it
sounds like.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Are you talking to talk?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, I know that's true. That's so true. It's so true.
But yeah, it was just it was not so when
when I talk about this the evolution of you know,
because we went through the nuts and bolts, flying saucers
with the dome on the top, and then black triangles,
cigar shape. You know, different decades had different things that

(30:22):
were seen and witnessed. I get that I do, and
then here I am twenty twenty three friging davy Earth
stood still right over Earth versus the flying saucer fantastic
planet right just flew right. It was crazy, It was
fun and it was it wasn't It wasn't fast either.

(30:44):
It took a good minute, just just cruised right over us.
Man took a took a minute. I really got a
chance to take it in. It was.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
That's really cool.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, it was. It was like glowing from the inside,
like I didn't see anything, you know what I mean. No,
I didn't see anything with the structure or stuff. It
was just flat. It was a disc and it was
glowing from the inside. The best way I can explain it. Yeah,

(31:18):
it was crazy. It was. It was pretty nuts. So
what's the difference though, when people talk about astral projection, right,
lucid dreams too as well, something else that could be
maybe chemically or you know, medicine induced. There are all

(31:45):
of these different versions of what is going on. You know,
when somebody says, you know, I had an out of
body experience, are they talking about astral travel? Are they
talking about are people misusing these terms?

Speaker 4 (32:00):
I would say they all kind of relate to each other.
But for example, an out of body experience, you know,
just for simple clarification, is something like in near death experience,
where you find yourself out of your body. So when
you have this out of body experience, it's not like
you're trying to have an out of body experience. You

(32:21):
just have it. So either through let's say like a
trauma or in my case it was from sleep paralysis,
I had an out of body experience, so I wasn't
planning on having that experience, but you're just find yourself
disconnected from your body sometimes, just like in a near
death experience, you're looking down at your body, you know.

(32:42):
And that's what happened to me is when I had
the sleep paralysis and I tried to wake myself up.
Instead of waking myself up physically, which that's what I
was trying to do, I popped out and I was
on my ceiling looking down at myself. So that was
like a spontaneous out of body experience that I wasn't expecting.
I wasn't trying to leave my body, it just happened.

(33:06):
So I would put that in the category of out
of body experiences. Now astral travel, I would say, is
exactly the same thing, but the only difference is you're
consciously doing it. So you're going into meditation.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
You have a plan. You have a plan, yes, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
So you have a plan, you go through the steps.
Sometimes it involves meditation. Sometimes it just happens naturally where
you can feel the sensation and then you go through
it while you're sleeping. Sometimes you're doing plant medicines and
you consciously push yourself out. So that's what I would
say astral travel is is you're more in control and

(33:46):
you basically guide yourself out to have these experiences. So
it's still out of body, but your semi are mostly
in control. And I say that because you know, once
you leave your body, it gets a little difficult. You
may be pulled in different directions, you may get thrown
back into your body. Sometimes it's very frustrating in that

(34:09):
sense that you can't control the situation, but the leaving
part of the astral travel that's your control. Now, A
lot of people also ask me what about like remote viewing,
because it's remote viewing astral traveling. And you know, I've
asked this question so many times to people that remote

(34:30):
view and I asked them, well, how do you do it?
How do you perceive it? And a lot of these
remote viewers can just kind of like sit in a chair,
close their eyes. You give them a excuse me, you
give them a destination, you give them a destination, and
they just kind of close their eyes and go there.

(34:52):
And I spoke to one and they said, for them
for their experience, it's almost like they have like a
TV screen in their mind and they're fully here, like
they're in their body, but they can see the scene,
they can travel through it, but they're here consciously. So
I think that's more of like kind of like a

(35:15):
a psychic gift almost. It's using like the third eye
to travel.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
True. True, But also suggest now I'm not a remote viewer,
but I would also suggest that remote viewers develop their
own techniques, because when you look at somebody like Ingo
Swan or Pat Price, where they have practiced and practice

(35:42):
and practice and practice this. They could put themselves in
the office or room of something on the other side
of the planet or on the dark side of the
moon or Mars right where they are. Their eyeballs are
at this other locate. But most remote viewers are just

(36:04):
formulating an image in their mind that is entangled to
something else, and then they have these multiple images and
then they correlate that into one big picture whatever it
may be. You know, rain, right, so that now they've

(36:25):
got rain. They're connecting to rain. Oh, they're connecting to trees,
they're connecting to a swing set, they're connecting to Oh,
they're looking at a children's playground in Orlando or whatever,
you know, whatever it may be. But it's it's done
over a series of images, not necessarily projected out to

(36:50):
that location. They're putting all these different images together to
get something whole out of it. But Pat Price and
NGOs Swan and mcmonagall, you know these other guys, they
through practice were able to actually be somewhere and observe
the room, observe.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
And I would and I would put that even above
remote viewing. I would put that into the astral realm.
I would say that they are actually projecting themselves to
these places.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, I think so, I think so. If that's not
what they I don't think that's not That's how do
I say it's not remote viewing? One on one? How
you develop the techniques right, But once you do it
long enough, you can get to that level where you
can go to the dark side of the moon, or

(37:44):
the other side of the universe for that matter.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yes, and I'm just trying to think Monroe, Yeah, Robert Monroe,
the Monroe Institute. They would teach people, including the CIA.
There's a lot of documents on this on how to
leave your body and travel to meet up on the
moon or in different locations and then come back with
that information. So yeah, I mean it's it's all definitions

(38:11):
of pretty much. I would say the same thing of
developing that gift to kind of leave and come back
with information.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Have you done DMT yet?

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Okay, what about that experience? Not mushrooms, Let's put that aside.
That's a psychedelic. That's different. That's a plant medicine. DMT
is something altogether different. It's a tool. Yes, that experience,
I would say that that's out of body. I mean,
you're going you're physically here, but you are entering another dimension.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Absolutely, And I think you know, we always talk about
the brain being a receiver of information, and when we
take certain substances like d MT, which I think is
the most extreme one you can do, it completely changes

(39:09):
that frequency where your conscious awareness is pulled into another
reality completely.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
That you that that's it. There isn't any question about that.
That's what's it's wow, there's no there's no did I
know you're not going to say that. I kind of
know you're not going to say that. You do? You do?

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah? And you know, I I get these questions all
the time because you know, when I start talking about
my out of body experiences or contact, people are like, yeah,
Jay is doing drugs. You know, was Jay doing He's
doing drugs. That's not true. They it was completely not
on drugs that all these things happened. But when I

(39:55):
learned about the plant medicines, I started to read a
lot of Terrance McKenna, who I'm a big fan of
Terrence McKenna and his brother Dennis, and so there was
a time where I thought, you know, if I took
these substances, I could repeat these out of body experiences

(40:15):
that I was having naturally. And I don't even know
if I could tell this on air. Maybe I could
tell this on air, but basically, no, maybe I can't
tell this on air. Basically I was trying very hard,
trying different substances to duplicate the events and one of

(40:38):
them was mushrooms, which is very close to ayahuasca and
things of that, especially in larger doses. And it happened
one night where I had a complete detachment from reality
and I found myself in like another planet, in another world,

(40:59):
and I wasn't human, I was like this, but that
was mushrooms. Mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, but that's that's what I would classify that as hallucination,
though I don't. I don't think that that it because Okay,
I don't want to cut you off and I don't
in any way want to degrade your experience or your
message or a house. But for me, because I've done both,

(41:26):
is that the the experience with d MT is no
different than going to an airport, getting on a plane
and flying to France and getting off the plane and
now you're in France. That's a reality situation. D m
T is that it's that that's what happens. It's not

(41:51):
you know, psychedelics and everything else. That's that's a recreational
fun thing and you're hallucinating in your life. You do it,
you know that that's that's different DMT. No, no, no,
And that that is just the same thing is going
to theother another floor of the building. You know, you're
on the second floor, you go up to the fifteenth floor,

(42:12):
and you get off the elevator. That's what DMT is.
You are just it's wow, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yeah. But the thing is, I was trying to duplicate
these out of body experiences, and what I found with
d MT, for example, is it was like its own thing.
So yes, it's like an out of body experience, but
you're in their world. You know. It's like you're entering

(42:39):
into that mind, which is in my case or in
my experience, is completely different than the experiences that I
was having naturally. So I'm not saying one is better
or worse than the other. I'm just saying they are
very different from each other.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
They are they are, they are the Okay, okay, so
check this out. This is my take, and I'm not wrong,
damn it. I'm not wrong. If you are listening and
wondering and going, yeah, okay, so DMT, that would be
fun to go and experience the little robot elves and

(43:22):
run around and frolic in the mist. That ain't what's happening.
That's not no. No, you are going leaving this world
and stepping into another dimension that has nothing to do
with this reality, and you go and you experience it

(43:44):
for a few minutes, and then you come back. It
is as real as everything that you do when you
get up in the morning. It's the same thing. It
is not that's not so if you want to experience DMT,
then your desire is to go on a vacation and

(44:06):
go and experience another parallel world. That's that's that's what
you want, because that's what's going to happen. You can't
expect anything else and just go experience it, see it,
come back and go, okay, I just went I just
went to you know, Cairo, and now I'm back and wow,

(44:26):
that was interesting. And then you can you know, bucket
list that one and go, okay, I've been I've been
to the thirteenth dimension and it was it was fun.
And that's that's d MT. It's not recreational. It's a
plane ticket.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Yeah. And it's very very fast acting, probably in the
way that that you're talking about. Other ways are a
little different, like if you were doing like an ayahuasca ceremony.
It kind of comes on gradually and there's very varying
steps to that experience, right right, But you know, if

(45:06):
like you're saying you're going to smoke it, it's very
very fast. And it's like like you say, you're you
don't even take off from the runway. You just you're
in the sky.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
You're just there're you walk through the door. It's like
that I pee, you know. And that was the funny
thing about that. I want to talk about the beings
that you've encountered. The speed in which this happens is

(45:37):
the speed of now. It doesn't have time for bloodstream.
It doesn't have time to do this or do that
or no, it's crazy. It's just like what you know,
And that part of it for me was my takeaway
that I want to relay to everybody else. You have

(45:59):
no idea how crazy fast it is and and how
crazy fast it is on the backside, you're suddenly just
your back It's like, what, Yeah, it's it's pretty fascinating.
It's pretty fast. It's a tool, it's not it's not.

(46:19):
To classify it as a drug is incorrect. I don't
even know how it can activate that quick. Your blood
doesn't go through your body that fast, you know, I
don't know. It's something that is turned on in your brain.
There's just something where you just access this other dimension
and and you're just you're just you're there. You you know,

(46:43):
you step off the elevator. It's so fast.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Absolutely, But you know, the reason we're bringing this up
as well is that you don't need it. There are
other ways of connecting and doing these things. And that's
kind of like where my journey is led, is that
the natural experiences for myself were far more interesting, far

(47:11):
more intense than any drug or any plant medicine that
I've tried. And I've tried to duplicate it with these
plant medicines, and I can't touch the other side of
the natural side of these things. Like you said, it's
like short lived, whereas these other experiences they get into

(47:34):
like past lives, they get into spirit contact, they get
into simultaneous life streams, you know, all this crazy stuff
that kind of awakens you to this grander reality of
who we are. All that stuff came from the natural
side of things. And I found that, especially with doing

(47:58):
plant medicine ceremonies with like a mushroom or ayahuasca, people
think it's like you're going out for me. It was
the complete opposite, it was going in. It was almost
like the inside of my self became this kind of
infinite portal and instead of like projecting outwards, I was
being pulled more inwards into the self. And there is

(48:23):
a great opportunity for healing and working things out or
discovering this kind of inner strength or inner light within us.
And I think the plants in that regard are an
incredible shamanic guide.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
When do you think and why when do you think
the blinders went on to block us off from these realities?
And why why did we start shutting ourselves off to this?
Because the ancients have always talked about this, and.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
That's a good thing, is that you have cultures around
the planet that have kept this up. But you know,
as you grow up, your mind is developing. So a
child's mind, I don't think it's ready for these things.
And this is why certain ages in their lifetime were
deemed appropriate, like for example, like the whole thirteen years

(49:21):
old when you become a man, you know, like the
Jewish religion, like why is that? Why is that right?
Or why is eighteen years old so important? These are
posts on your life of how your mind develops or
how your brain develops, and this is why they find
that people that let's say, smoke marijuana at a very

(49:43):
young age a lot of it. It could cause tremendous
harm to the developing brain. But for someone who starts
smoking later in life, it has a completely different effect
because the brain is already evolved in a way to
handle it. So there so there is kind of this

(50:04):
kind of initiation steps into awakening this, but in our
society it's completely shunned. And I think that's because we're
not supposed to know this. And Terrence mccanna talked a
lot about this type of subject where certain drugs or

(50:28):
certain substances are actually beneficial for societies. So in our
society right now, the beneficial drugs are caffeine, tobacco, nicotine,
and sugar because it helps us get through an alcohol,
it helps us get through the workday and become productive
members of society. Whereas you know, if we are all

(50:52):
just kind of you know, sitting at home smoking pot,
you know, and doing psychedelics, I don't think we're going
to be going out to our to our jobs every day.
We'll want to stay home and just kind of relax.
So depending on our culture and civilization. That is kind

(51:13):
of the influence of different foods and medicines that are
applied to us to keep our society moving forward.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I it's really weird for me. I don't do any
anything anymore. I haven't smoked pot since two thousand and three. Okay,

(51:42):
that's that's a pretty long time considering what I was
doing before then, right, And I just stopped and everything.
I just just stopped, you know, and am part of it,
certainly the last fifteen years or so, two thousand and

(52:05):
eight ish, two thousand and seven, two thousand and six,
like right in there, the thought of I couldn't I
was on the professional road, so I couldn't have anything
mess with my mind being in front of people, the

(52:28):
paranoid feeling that I had. I couldn't do that. I
just there was just no way. And so the way
that I research, in the way that I read and
I'm performed, there's no way I could get on the
air every night and on pot. I would. It just
wouldn't happen. I did. It's impossible. So I've gone down

(52:53):
another road. But I have attempted to access the the
these parallel situations naturally, and I do it via sleep.
I do it somewhat through meditation. I don't have the

(53:16):
patience to meditate every day, but there are ways to
go and experience it. And then let me say this,
this is crazy. Two weeks ago I had oral surgery done,
like real surgery. Right, they put me under, and so

(53:42):
while they were working on me, I think there was
a total of four people in the operating room. Right.
There was my surgeon and then three assistants running around,
you know, scalpel, you know what I mean, whatever, antithesiologist
and all of that. So all of that's going on.

(54:06):
You know what I saw? First off? You know what
they did. You're gonna lie. You know what they did.
They frigging were playing South American Peruvian mountain flute music. Yeah,
of all the things that they could have been playing, right,

(54:26):
they're playing that shit, right, So that just takes you
right there, right, Ratty, I'm there, I'm there anyway, So
this flute music's going on, and I didn't I didn't
even hear it at first. It was it was it
was playing. But anyway, so then they drug me and
and this is what I see with that freaking flute music.

(54:47):
Ohing god, And you ever see the movie Donnie Darko.
Of course you remember when the tubes connected, right, that's
what I saw.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
So yeah, so they're running around. I can't really see,
but they're like light beings now, they're not humans, right,
And I guess my eyes were open. I don't know,
I think they were anyway, that part doesn't matter. But

(55:20):
I could kind of hear their voices. But as they spoke,
this beam of light connected their heads. Wow. And it
was shooting around the room as they were talking. The
heads were connected with beams of light. Yeah, and a
flue music's going on. And I swear to god, this
is what I said to myself. Cool, wow, wow, and

(55:46):
they are in they are doing gnarly stuff to me,
and I didn't give a crap. I was watching this,
this ballet right, this synchronous dance that was going on
with the community, and the connecting of the lights between
their heads. Yeah, it was really cool.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
And you know, I think these things do change the frequency. Like,
I don't think what you're seeing is a hallucination.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
No, I don't know, Jason. I'm telling you that it
was the real deal. I saw, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
And it allows it like like you were, I got
my uh wisdom teeth taken out when I don't know,
fifteen six, I don't remember, but you know, they gave you,
like or they gave me like really strong coading or
something for it, and I took it and I freaked
out because my Claire audience kicked it. So I started

(56:41):
taking coding form my teeth. And suddenly it's like I'm
in a room with like one hundred people yelling at
me and there's nobody in my room, you know. So
I go to the doctor, like, doctor, like, I take
the Cody. I hear all these people talking to me,
and they're like, Okay, Jason is allergic to Cody, and
do not give it Cody.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Is that what that was?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Wow? You know, so that that was? That was when
I was younger. But you know, since we're just swapping
these having these fun stories, when I broke my back,
so twenty seventeen, right, come out of surgery because I
was totally under and I this is the wackiest thing, because.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
I mean describe. Let's we have to tell everybody in
the interest of transparency. You and I talked through this
whole thing. Oh yeah, I talked to you when you
were in the hospital. Damn, do you remember that.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
No, that's how that's how messed up.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
I was, Oh, man, I'm telling you don't remember that
conversation when you were in the hospital and you were
laid out on your back before you went home, and
you told me your experience, and I said, dude, I've
got to get you on the show.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
We've got to bring you on the show to talk
about this. And he said, okay, so you went home,
you had you were home for about a week, not
even a week, and I got you on Fade to Black.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
I honestly don't remember any of that. That's the problem
with like severe trauma. It's like a memory wipe. But
there's certain things I do remember. And maybe I told
this story on that episode, but I think, like I
died on the table, right, it was pretty extreme my
whole I have a scar from like here to hear,

(58:37):
like they really opened me up. And but anyways, so
I was under the anesthetic and I had this kind
of crazy vision or crazy journey where I was like
a kid again, and I was like in the kind
of like a Doctor Seuss world, Like it was really
weird and cartoony, like really strange. I was and I

(58:59):
was led to this kind of wall by this strange voice,
and I was a kid again, and this wall had
like all these weird dials and screens and like, and
the voice said, now you can choose your next life
anywhere in the multiverse by turning these dials. So it's
like I can go like a million years in the

(59:21):
past in this star system, or I could be like
in the future and I could be this type of being,
And all I had to do is like arrange these
knobs and see the viewing screen of what I was
choosing to be like my next life. Wow.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Man, that's cool. That's cool. That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
But the funny thing was the one that we kind
of stalked on that they were saying, see, look, you
can be this kind of like Giraft looking thing in
a million years in this star system over here. And
so I woke up from my surgery and I was
like laughing, I'm like if I died, and that was
like the train transition to my next life. It's totally bananas, Like,

(01:00:03):
it's it was nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Do you think that there was some symbolism there that
maybe we are choosing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
I really think that we are. And when we leave
our body, it's something like we leave time and space altogether.
So it doesn't like you can leave your body and
you can let's stay out for a long long time
and then you can come back and it's like a
moment has passed. So time really doesn't exist once you

(01:00:40):
have this out of body experience. Some people explain like
even having a you know, there's a lot of stories
where someone gets like hit in the head, you know,
they have a concussion, they go to the hospital and
during that time when they were unconscious, it could have
been like ten minutes an hour. When they wake up,
it's like they said, they've lived an entire life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
You know, so we don't have this understanding of time.
So I think that we can choose our next path,
you know, once we leave our body, and it could
be either in the past or in the future or
different timelines. And it just kind of shows you that

(01:01:26):
we really don't understand reality. Like we understand this reality
as we go forward in a physical nature of the universe,
but once you leave and you become this kind of
multi dimensional self or outside of time and space, you
know what laws are there. And I think this is
where we kind of missed the market. We don't understand

(01:01:49):
how these processes can work, but you know, from my experience,
from other people's experience, it just tells me that we
could jump back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
We're going to take a break right here. My first
DMT experience was nine minutes. Okay. I had a timer going,
and when I opened my eyes and I looked over
at my shaman and it was crazy, How sober is

(01:02:25):
not the right word? How how back to reality? I
was right, It's just like instant. And I go, how
long was that? And he leans forward and I looked
down at my timer and it just clicked over to
ten minutes?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
And he goes, yeah, about nine minutes? And I'm thinking
about how I saw too much? You know what I mean?
It was too long? How was that only nine minutes?

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
You know? And if if I sat and told the story,
you know, play by play of everything, dude, it would
take forever. I wouldn't take nine minutes, right. You know.
It's weird when they say time isn't linear, Well it's
not not in that instance. It's just no. And same

(01:03:18):
thing in the dream state too as well. So I
would say that that would apply to any astral situation
or any out of body situation. Jason, stay right there.
Let's take our break. This is Fade to Black. Jason
Quit is our guest and his new book is Astral Experiences.
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Quit is back with us. He's got a new book out,
Astro Experiences. That's what we are talking about. And so, Jason,
what kind Yeah, no, hold it up, hold it up,
hold it up. There it is there. It is Astral Experiences. Jason,

(01:08:12):
what kind of beings are you sneeze? What kind of
beings are sneezing out there?

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
It's a good question, probably humans and animals. But no,
to answer your question, there's so many different things that
populate the spiritual realm, or the astral realm, or the
etheric realm, whatever definition you want to call it. And

(01:08:45):
when I first started to see these things, they were
shadows or they looked like what people would describe as
shadow beings. So as like a young child, I'd see
let's say, like a shadow standing in the room in
the closet, and it would just kind of stand there silently,
didn't really do anything, didn't really communicate anything, but would

(01:09:08):
kind of guide me or show me things. So it
would start with kind of like shadow looking beings. And
then what actually brought me into the UFO community was
I was having these out of body experiences and one
of the first beings that started to come to me

(01:09:29):
was the typical mantis style being really and it was
for me, it was it was an out of body experience.
So I was just starting to learn how to leave
my body, and so through sleep paralysis, my body would
kind of like pop out. So I could start to
feel like presences in my room, and you can't see

(01:09:52):
them with your physical eyes, so they would walk into
the room and I could sense them, and then I,
like my would kind of like sit up in my
physical body, and once the astral body is awake, suddenly
I can see inside the room. And some of the
first beings I saw were these kind of manted beings

(01:10:13):
and they were actually quite big, like if they were
to walk into the room, they would have to kind
of duck their head underneath the doorway. And I'll just
say it was not a physical experience, like if I
opened my eyes, there's going to be nothing in my room.
But in the astral state they're right there. So there

(01:10:34):
is these moments of and it's when it happens to
you and you're in a deep sleep. It's very frightening
because a couple of times they would wake you or
wake me up, and their face would be like this
close to mine. So imagine like opening your eyes and
then seeing this head which is about this big right

(01:10:54):
in front of you. And they never communicated with me.
I can hear them speak to each other, but it
was like it was like a clicking, tweeting type sound
like it's not nothing I could define as a human person.
They always looked kind of confused, as in like this

(01:11:17):
one's awake.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
You caught them, Like you caught them.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Yeah, So it's like I would come out of the
body and then you can they look at you. They
look kind of confused, and they kind of like stand
back and kind of twist their head like looking at
you strangely, like is this one awake? Kind of things now,
I never had anything bad happen to me that I
could remember. I remember hearing them if there was more

(01:11:46):
than one in the room, I could hear them communicating
with each other in this kind of like clicking tweeting
type language, and I would just say to them, I'm like, go, look,
can you speak English? I don't understand what you're saying.
And they would just stop, look very confus use, and
then just leave.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
So that was like the first type of thing and
I never saw, and then the next one that I
saw would be like a reptilian, which was more I
wouldn't I'd call it more like remote viewing or like
an astral experience where I'm pulled out of my body

(01:12:25):
into some space where there's like a meeting where there's
a communication happening between them, and you know, I asked
them like who they were, and they gave me a
bunch of names, like you know, reptoids, dynoids, saurians, reptilian,
like they just gave me a bunch of names. And
I said, where are you from? And they said they're

(01:12:47):
from Sagittarius, is what they told me. And it's very interesting,
Like it made me think that, you know, if us
humans could leave our bodies and travel to other star systems.
Why can't beings and other star systems leave their bodies
and come and communicate with us here, you know. So

(01:13:09):
they use kind of like this astral plane as kind
of like a stage to communicate back and forth over
long distances. And that's what I believe was happening to
me in certain circumstances. So I had the typical mantids,
I had the typical reptilians, and then when I was
in Japan, I had my first gray alien experience. And

(01:13:36):
I'm basically sleeping in bed, feel a presence walk in
the room. I leave my body and there's a gray
alien standing at the foot of my bed, and it
looked exactly typical of you know what you see in
the movies, you know, the big eyes, the big gray
head wasn't wearing any clothes, and it was one hundred
percent in the astrol and they were communicating to me

(01:13:59):
in telepathy. And right when I woke up and I
saw it and I looked right at it, I immediately
got this message from this gray alien and it said
I am a short old man, that is what it
said to me. And I said, no, you're not you're
a gray alien. And again it looked confused and then

(01:14:21):
left the room. And then I woke up. And there's
a lot of these experiences that I've recently dug up
where people wake up in the middle of the night
to see an old short man in their bedroom. No
thank you, no exactly, And so for that that's a

(01:14:42):
pretty scary experience. But in my mind, I well, I
saw it as a gray alien, and it tried to
convince me it was a old man, you know. So
I'm thinking it's kind of like a Jedi mind trick,
right right. It kind of places the image so you
don't actually see it true form. So this is how

(01:15:03):
I got into the UFO scene originally, is because I
was going down the shamanic path of out of body
experience and shamanic journeys. And as I was learning how
to leave my body and have these experiences, I came
in contact with a number of beings. But some of
them are exactly what people describe in this community as

(01:15:25):
like the aliens that abduct people or take them on ships.
And the more I researched this, the more fascinating this
became to me, because I found that people that were
doing medicine ceremonies in the middle of the jungle, were
being taken up on ships. They were having these experiences
with like being put on like medical beds on ships

(01:15:47):
and having like grays or manted beings working on them,
like fixing whatever is wrong, and then sending them back
to their bodies. So you have this kind of cross
between the UFO community and the shamanic community that when
they're going out and doing their shamanic work, they're coming

(01:16:08):
into contact with beings that people describe in the abduction scenarios.
And I'm I think the reason why I'm here is
I'm trying to like kind of bridge those two communities
together to say we're both having the same experiences but
from different perspectives, right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Right, right, Very interesting that the reptilian reptoid whatever you
want to classify it as, said Sagittarius. Yeah, Sagetarius is
at the center of our universe, just off the ecliptic,
and that part the universe, our Milky Way, our galaxy,

(01:16:51):
sagittaries say, is the black hole that's at the center
of our galaxy. But Sagittarius itself, which is next to
U Scorpio, Scorpius is in a very hostile part of
our Milky Way. And I only say that because we

(01:17:15):
live where we are, our star system. We're in a
very calm area. It's not radiated, we don't have a
lot of crazy activity going on and things. But the
closer you get to the center of our galaxy and
where Sagittarius is, it's a pretty hostile environment that those

(01:17:38):
planets that are there radiated. You know, it's a hostile place.
And now, sure there's life there, and there could be
life there, but it would be radically different than what
we are expecting. And to hear Saggy, that's a that's

(01:18:01):
an odd that's an odd area to come from. I
would say that a lot of physicists would say, well,
they're physicists, are full of shit, but would say, ah,
not likely, not likely that there's any planets there with
life on it because of what is happening. But that's

(01:18:23):
that's a very strange location. And and you know why
I'm saying that, Jason, it sounds legit. You're not picking
Oriyon or Andromeda. You know, there's something in our local
galaxy cluster where it's peaceful out here. It's peaceful out here,

(01:18:46):
but there's nothing crazy going on.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
The only thing I can think of is, you know,
maybe those harsh conditions are what, you know, make them
so strong.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
That's exactly why I'm going there. It's just an odd place,
and so it just seems legit to me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
So again, like I don't know why they spoke to
me and relayed that information to me, But like I said,
I was just kind of recording whatever was these experiences
that were happening to me, And.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
What do you what do you think they want with you?

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
What I believe is that we're all connected somehow, and
if you believe in reincarnation or star seeds, basically, Earth
is not the only place that we've been. It's not
the only place we've incarnated. So we may have lived
lives in Sagittarius maybe a billion years ago, or in

(01:19:54):
the future or wherever, or lived you know, on another
universe completely or another dimension completely, and during those lifetimes
not on Earth, we have strong connections to other beings.
So a lot of times when we have this contact
situation happening, what I've learned is that mostly these are

(01:20:19):
beings that know you better than you. You know, they've
known you from lifetime to lifetime. You might even be
one of them, and you've chosen to separate from them
to be here. And this is what a lot of
star seeds actually talk about, is they feel like they
are a certain being incarnated here and they have more

(01:20:40):
connection or resonance to something else. And I've had experiences
where a being will come to me and basically it's
kind of like a family member from somewhere else. And
even though I don't recognize them from my physical life
here on Earth seen this type of being before, instinctually

(01:21:03):
or at a soul level, it's like I know this being,
like I've known them longer than anybody else, you know.
So it's this very very deep connection. And you know,
some people when they see these beings, because they haven't
seen them in so long, it's very alien to them.

(01:21:25):
They get very scared, and maybe over time they slowly
start to understand that, you know, they have this connection
to these beings. They're not here to hurt us. Some
of them are, I just got to put that out there,
but some of them are really here to just kind
of help us along. And I believe this is why

(01:21:47):
I've had certain contact experiences is because I was in
some difficult places in my life and I needed to
get moved into different directions, and so I would be
or being would come into my life and kind of
push me into this direction. And that's how I got
into this. When I in my early twenties, I was

(01:22:09):
working in a recording studio. I was doing graphic design
and marketing material for bands. You know, that was like
my life. And then I started to have the sleep paralysis.
Then I started to have these out of body experiences.
Then I started to have contact with beings and it
literally just pulled me out of my life and said, no,

(01:22:31):
you can't be here anymore. You need to be here
and you need to learn this stuff. And so I
had to quit my job. I went back to school
and I started to learn all these things.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Were you able to communicate and ask questions?

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
Yes, how did you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
How did you? How did you go about that? And
was it? Was it open communication? Or you've got three
questions you can ask, don't burn them up? You know,
how did that go down?

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Usually there is no time for communication, all right, So
it's either they come and they give you some information,
or they come and they take you somewhere to show
you something and you'll get like a telepathic message. Usually
you don't really ask. There's only been a few times
that I get my questions answered and it would just

(01:23:26):
be telepathically.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Well, give me an example of that, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Okay, for example. For example, one of the first things
that was happening to me was a being was saying
to me that I needed to heal myself. All right,
So this was like the part of like the beginning
of my shamanic journey. So a direct message was if
you keep going out of your body, if you keep

(01:23:50):
doing what you're doing, you're going to get very sick
and you're going to shorten your lifespan. Because energetically I
wasn't good to leave my body. They said, I would
attract certain beings to me. They would kind of attached
to me, and it would shorten my life span. Yes,

(01:24:11):
so it was like a warning, like you really need
to know what you're doing before you start playing with
this stuff. And they said, if you want to continue
doing what you're doing, you need to learn how to
heal yourself. And you said what, And I didn't understand.
I went to the doctor. I made an appointment with
my general practitioner to see what was wrong with me.
Because you know, when a being is telling you you're

(01:24:33):
sick and you need to heal.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
What did you tell your doctor?

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Okay, so check, no, I just I just said, give
me all the tests. I need to know everything.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
You know, all of my doctors, all of them know
what I do. And they're all asking questions. They're all
into this. It's really weird. It's like their opportunity, right,
they don't get a chance, says you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
So you know, I don't tell that they.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
All they all are asking me questions. The okay, so
this reminds me of So I have my guide. This
is d MT, and my guide is behind me. I
never saw she talked to me. We talked, but an

(01:25:26):
amazing voice, by the way, just an amazing just an.
It was never frightening. It was just like just like
it was weird, so normal. Anyway, So she's behind me,
and uh, and we're walking and I turned. I mean,
I said to her, Okay, I want to meet the

(01:25:53):
alien robots. My exact words, That's what I said, right,
the alien robots. I don't know why that came out,
but it did. And you know what she said? She
answered me, she goes not yet. And I almost argued,

(01:26:16):
I'm serious. I was no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, let's do this. I'm ready, but I didn't.
And the talk was obviously telepathic. I don't know if
I was speaking physically with my own mouth, but I

(01:26:38):
felt that I was right, and I felt that she
was behind me and her mouth was moving. I never
looked at her. I never I never saw what she
looked like. I never I never did. I never turned around.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
But it's usually like that, even from my experiences, like
in the book, you'll see that I say the exact
same thing. Is that, like when they're traveling, it's like
they're kind of behind you, like holding your shoulder, and
you can talk to them telepathically, like right behind you.
You can ask these questions. So it's interesting that you

(01:27:14):
said it's a female voice, because many people on DMT
actually say the same thing, and sometimes they call her
the purple Lady or something like this, where it would
be a lady guide that will guide you through the
DMT realm.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
It was it was so normal. I can't express that
enough or emphasize it enough. It was not in any
way strange. It sounds strange, I know what it sounds like,
but it wasn't. It didn't feel strange. It was just

(01:27:48):
totally normal. And she the first thing that she said
to me, and I answered her. But the first thing
she said was, I mean out of the gate. So
there was this sign that said enter here, and it
was like an arrow right, and there was this doorway

(01:28:10):
kind of thing, enter here, So I do, and I
walked straight through it. It was like instant right, So anyway,
I go through and she's right behind me, and she goes, Okay,
we're going to walk down this path and if you want,
you can go left or right on the path, or

(01:28:33):
we can just go straight. It's up to you. And
I said, okay, all right, that's exactly what came out
of my mouth. Okay, all right, And I say that,
and we just walked. Now. I didn't. I didn't at
any time. I never met any No, No, that's not true,

(01:28:56):
that's not true. Oh should I tell the story? Should
I do it? All right? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
I okay, this is this is starting to sound.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Okay, well, only because I don't want to do a
full disclosure here, But let's just say there was a
guest on the show in the last two months. Okay,
I'm not going to say who, but it could be
from anywhere in the world, any guests. But the point

(01:29:29):
is this, I never met up with anybody, right except
this one time. And I walk up onto this boat.
It's on a river, and I walk up on the
boat and I turn around and I grabbed the railing
of the boat and the boat pulls out from the
dock and we start heading down the river and I'm

(01:29:51):
I'm looking at stuff. My guides behind me, and we're
talking about what I'm seeing. It was extraordinary. It was
a lot of fun, very cool. And I turned to
look to see where the boat is going. I'm on
the side of the boat, looking out the side of
the boat, and I turn and I'm looking at the
front of the boat, the bow, and I'm watching it

(01:30:12):
navigate through the river. But as I do that, there's
somebody standing right here. Here's a friend of mine, and
he turns to me and he goes, just like this,
he turns, he goes pretty cool, huh, just like that.
And so anyway, the next day I call this person.

(01:30:38):
I said, just I know that's going to sound you know,
I just want to yes or no. Have I come
to you in any dreams lately? And it was like,
what church are you okay? I said no, I'm just
wondering I have it. And he said no, why, I said,
because you were in a dream of I didn't tell

(01:30:59):
him the story, you know, I said, you were in
a dream of mine last night? Oh really? I said, yeah,
what I do? I said? He turned around and looked
at me and said, this is cool and we and
we just laughed. Now, how strange would it have been
if he would have said, yeah, man, I dreamt about
you last night. That would have flipped me out. I

(01:31:21):
don't even know why I called because if he would
have said that to me, I might have lost my shit.
That that's that's man, that's some confirmation situation there. But
other than that, I've never met anybody else in the
other dimension. That was the only time.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
But you know, it's it's really interesting from an archetypal standpoint,
because you're talking about getting on the boat and traveling
through the river into the other dimension, and this is
this is spoken about in the oldest mythologies and stories
of the gods, even Gelgamesh. To get to like the

(01:31:59):
the Immortals has to go you know, through the gateway
and travel across the river and you know, it goes
into like the river six. So it's like, yeah, so
you're you're really taking quite the journey there, you know,
you're you're you're you're hitting all these archetypal steps. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Yeah, there was this, Uh it's a TV series. It
was this was a few months ago, and I'm watching
it and there's a scene where somebody is trying to
I just want to get this right. It's trying to

(01:32:41):
leave like purgatory, not quite hell right, but like like
you know, the in between kind of thing. And to
do it, they have to go down and get on
this boat and sail across the sea. And there's a
gatekeeper at the boat and that boat doesn't depart unless

(01:33:03):
you know, and so forth. Anyway, long story short, I'm
watching that scene and I'm looking at the boat and
I'm looking at what's going on, and it felt strangely familiar. Yeah,
it was. It was pretty bizarre. It was pretty bizarre.

(01:33:24):
The boat that I was on was like an old
sail boat without masts. Wow, Okay, you follow me like
it had that shape, it had that thing, not like
a mini pirate ship, you know, you know what I'm saying,
like that, but without any sails. And it was black

(01:33:46):
and it had a ring of lights around the railing
on the top. It was lit up beautiful, it was cool.
But it didn't have sails, all right, and neither did
this boat in this TV series. And it had the
lights on the wow. And my my vision of this is,

(01:34:06):
you know, a year ago. You know, this is a
while ago, and to see it in this TV series,
it was pretty bizarre.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Well, you know, when when you die in Egypt or
ancient Egypt, you were supposed to go to the western
horizon and catch Raw's boat yep to take you into
the underworld.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Yes, right, So how did you know I've never told
you about this this boat experience. I'm pretty sure it
was on the Nile. I'm pretty pretty pretty sure. I
didn't see pyramids, I didn't see any of that, but

(01:34:44):
I felt like it was on the Nile, and I
felt like it was on the Nile. Have you have you?
Have you sailed the Nile?

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
No? I have not. I have not. I need to
to go and do this, but that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Is a crazy experience, and it's not. First off, and
this is no joke. It's older than everything, Okay, So
anything that you know on this planet, right, the Nile
is older. Okay, period, that's it. So there are sections

(01:35:25):
of the Nile where there's nothing there. It's desert on
both sides, right, But closer you get to the Nile,
there's a little vegetation, but there's no houses. It's desert. Man,
it's just like crazy nothingness out there. And then you

(01:35:46):
start seeing stuff. You just look, you just look. There's
nothing there. There's no people, there's no homes, there's no nothing.
It's just desert. But next to the Nile, you'll see tombs,
you'll see structures built on the you know, you'll see entrances,
stone doorways in the middle of nowhere. And then you'll

(01:36:09):
see a goat or something that's something really strange there.
But anyway, going up the Nile and seeing that, it
takes you to that dreamscape. Especially in the evening, you know,
when the sun is setting and it starts to get
these you know, beautiful colors are going on and you're

(01:36:30):
just cruise, you know, on this boat. It's all silent,
you're not around anybody, your bi or and you just
observe and see what is there that is as old
as anything, and it's constructed on the banks of the Nile,
in the middle of nowhere. It is the most surreal
experience that you can have. It's it's crazy. It's unreal, man, unreal.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
All right, Well, let's plan a trip.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
I would love I would love for you and I
to sit there with an espresso for a couple of
hours on an isolated part of the Nile. The experience
is beyond measure, It truly is. It's like who is
buried there, who was living there? When was it built?

(01:37:18):
Why was it built in the middle of nowhere? You know, now,
back then, maybe there was heavy vegetation, maybe there was
farm land behind that. Maybe it wasn't sand and everything else,
that wasn't so desolate and isolated. I don't know. But
you're going, you know, through one hundred miles of river

(01:37:41):
like that at a very slow pace, where you're just
seeing all of this ancient, ancient, thousands and thousands of
years old. It's it's bizarre, man, It is a wonderful experience.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
Yeah, I'd love to experience that one hundred percent and
I'm trying to remember because I wrote about this so
many years ago. But you know the Roman and Greek
mythologies of you know, the ferrymen going to the other side.
There was a physical river that was located, I think

(01:38:18):
in Greece, and that's where they would put the bodies
on the boat and sail them down. They believe that
you put them on the physical river first and then
it goes through the kind of this portal into the
other and that's how you enter the other world is
through the water, but first it's through the physical So
even going down the Nile or the Euphrates or it

(01:38:41):
has a significance to opening portals to these other worlds.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
It's when when you look at the stories that are
right there on the walls and on the papyrus sculptures,
and you see the story as it is presented. It
is the dreamscape and the astral that we are talking about,

(01:39:10):
and they were able to capture it. It's right there, man,
it's right there in front of you. And they were
experiencing all of this and documenting it five thousand years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Yeah, And I was just reading an article lately. They
found this cup of They found this cup of what's
his name. Anyways, they found this ancient cup and they
started to take samples from Egypt what was being drunk
from this cup, and they found that it was contained

(01:39:46):
Syrian rue, blue lotus, and other types of materials, and
it was Bess, the god, the short guy Bess. And
so if you imagine that as a cup and inside
was a psychedelic brew. These Egyptians one hundred percent were
doing ceremonies with these type of psychedelics. So they were

(01:40:08):
learning all about the afterlife, all about leaving your body
and all these transitionary states, and they put it in
their hieroglyphs just like you said. So when we start
to look at the mythologies and look at the imagery
that they're choosing, which is very shamanic imagery, the only

(01:40:29):
way you're going to understand that is if you've gone
through those initiations, you've seen those things, and then when
you look at it. One of the craziest hieroglyphs there
was the Ba, which is like the bird and the
body or the bird in the head. So when you
leave your body at death, you become the Ba. It's

(01:40:51):
kind of like your astral body. And then you have
the shadow, which is like your soul that stands with
your Ba. And then they showed these like black portals
into like outer space, you know, so these doorways they
would show like the funeral doorway, and they put the seba,

(01:41:13):
which is the star or the shadow in the doorway
of the necropolis, right, and they go, that's your stargate,
and we think, okay, like the movie Stargate, you know,
a portal opens and we go to the stars. But
this is a death scene. It's showing the person that's died,
and the doorway is now open to the stars. The

(01:41:34):
portal is open, and you go with the Ba and
the shadow and you travel to the stars. And they
talk about this in like the pyramid texts, you know,
so you have to have the right perspective to understand
these things. And when people do these or have these
near death experiences or have these contact experiences, like I said,

(01:41:56):
my first contact experiences, I'm the ba, I'm the ass
body and there's a shadow in the room waiting for me.
And the same thing is on hieroglyphics four thousand, five thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Year right, right, right, right. I love that part of
human history of using art Okay, stay with me on this. Yeah,
using art to what we would use motion pictures for

(01:42:30):
today to project the imagination, to project the id, to
protect and project the dream state. However ways that we
do it today, But back then, all right, now we're
talking about five thousand years ago, six thousand years ago. Okay,
push that shit way back, all right, Go to Castillo,

(01:42:53):
go to Spain, go to France, right and and look
at the the k paintings and the original art as
this cognitive thing development started in humans and to capture

(01:43:14):
that in art when we see it today, that they
are preserving another dimension. That's what's on those walls. You
can see it. You can see the movement of it.
You can see the interdimensional aspect of it. And this
was supposed to be primitive man that had no you know,

(01:43:37):
no intelligence, but yet they were capturing this. And then
look at the sculpture that was done, some of the
oldest stuff that we have today, twenty five thousand and
thirty thousand year old sculpture. Go look at the depiction
of humans and gods back then, the original venus stuff

(01:43:57):
of which they're you know, they're all over Europe. And
go look at these the way that humans were depicted,
they're not. It's a different dimensionality of the human figure.
And that that says so much to me about how

(01:44:18):
they were able to see this other reality and then
turn around and capture it in art. For us, I
think it's very important.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
And this was the whole thing, is that when you
see these displays and motifs of let's say, like hunters
and gatherers with the animals, like they're depicting what they experienced.
They show the natural world, the natural world and the
animals that they hunted, and then right next to it,
you'll have a very shamanic type display where it's otherworldly

(01:44:52):
like it is nothing looks real to what their life was,
and it shows this kind of two worlds where they
lived in the kind of shamanic realm and they lived
in the hunter gatherer realm, and they depicted both. So
for me looking at this, it's like they had one

(01:45:15):
foot in one world and one foot in the other world.
And there's also if you look at like petroglyphs and
ancient artwork, there's a lot of like geometries, like a
lot of spirals, and a lot of very strange shapes,
but you see these these same shapes all over the
world in different hieroglyphs or in different petroglyphs, And were

(01:45:39):
these glyphs or these geometries part of that let's say,
plant medicine ceremony. So when they saw those other dimensions,
they saw these designs, and they would communicate that on
walls that they see in these images in these states
of consciousness.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
I am going to show you. Are you ready? You ready?

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Sure? Yeah, yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Check this out ready, this is what I'm talking about.
Oh yeah, that is between twenty five and thirty thousand
years old. Now it's about that tall fit in a
palm in your hand, right, it's about that tall. And

(01:46:28):
look at what is captured there. That is. It's beautiful,
it's perfect. But we're talking about humans that weren't supposed
to be able to do this yet. And look how
it's captured. Yes, that is. That's a dream scape, you

(01:46:52):
know what I mean. It just unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
But you know, it's like when you look at it,
the main question is why isn't there a mouth? There's
everything else, but there's no mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Look at the hair. Look at the hair? Mean yeah, yeah,
look at the hair. What is that, you know, and
and the hair almost looks cut and braided. Right, But
thirty thousand years ago wait wait, wait, wait what this
was found in France in a cave in France, and

(01:47:26):
it is a mammoth tusk. That's what it's card from now. Okay,
So then it presents a couple of other ideas here,
what were the tools used? Okay, we are talking about
fine art here. There are sculptors on this planet today

(01:47:47):
that can't do this right, that happen.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
Because they'd have to subtract all that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
The look well, it's the look right, Yes, yes, there's
all of that, there's the technical side of it, but
it is the imagery that is captured there. Now, the
other thing that this suggests to me is we are
way off base with past civilizations about their intelligence and

(01:48:15):
what they could do and how they viewed things. They
didn't have a simplistic view of the world. They had
a very advanced mind. And that's what this represents to me.
That is sophistication on par with anything that we are today.
Who we are today, it's right there.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
And I would say that art defines us as a species.
Like you said, we're finding stuff going back thirty thousand
years and it's absolutely beautiful. So you have artisans who
would take the time to hone a skill, so I
would say this would be widespread.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Yeah, somebody just okay, So somebody Jessica said it could
be a wig. Somebody said it's depicting, uh, depicting a
knitted hat of sorts. Okay, So I get that, And
if that is indeed the case, then that pushes this
to a whole nother level, doesn't it. You know, what

(01:49:20):
if that is a hat some kind of you know, well,
we may never know, but what I can see is beauty,
you know, and how it's depicted there. Wow, wow, Wow,
I just I just find this fascinating. So when we

(01:49:41):
go and we talk about Egypt and the other part
about this, when we're talking about astil travel, you go
to South America and you walk around, uh, not only
these sites, these very very sacred places, for sure, but
you look at the people and you look and you

(01:50:02):
just feel it that you've been there before. There's there's
this there's this knowingness. Right, it's not foreign at all.
It's it's very it's very strange, that astral out of

(01:50:22):
body experience. You get that when you go to these
sacred sites, and it just makes you wonder what what
is time? What is the soul? What is consciousness? And
and how is all of this playing out with each
other because all of this is completely familiar. I'm not
seeing anything new here. I'm seeing someplace that I've been before.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
Yes, So you know, the point that I really want
to get across is that you know, what we're talking
about is a human experience. And but just because we
live in a modern world and we have all this
technology and science, we think that we know things. When
you go to a traditional community, let's say, like you said,

(01:51:04):
go back to the rainforest, they have thousands and thousands
of years of living in nature and surviving and knowing
certain things like the intelligence it takes to survive conditions
to be in a certain place. When you looked at
the thirty thousand year old head you just showed, you know,

(01:51:25):
you're talking about a time when there's a kilometer of ice.
You know, there's ice sheets around the planet. Terrible conditions
for humans. But we survived thousands and thousands of years
in the harshest conditions known to mankind, and we came
out of it, and once the ice sheet receded, and

(01:51:46):
you know, we started to get those beautiful planes, let's
say in Mesopotamia or go Beckley Teppe. Once you started
to farm and everything, then they really started to expand.
But it's not like they just discovered knowledge. It was
they had the opportunity to share it and build that knowledge,

(01:52:07):
whereas before, let's say, they would carry it with them
from place to place to place. So the environment changed
and the way they expressed themselves changed. But again, if
something happened to the human race tomorrow where let's say
we lose everything, we lose technology, we lose society, and

(01:52:27):
ninety five percent of humanity is gone, that five percent
of survivors will start again, and they may start with
absolutely nothing and then build back up over one thousand,
two thousand years with the knowledge of their ancestors, which
is us. You know, So we have this kind of

(01:52:49):
ingrained knowledge within us. And I believe that, you know,
you can call it the book of life, the Akashak records,
but human history, all knowledge of who we are is
somehow stored in the magnetic field of the earth. Is
what I truly believe in this etheric state, so that
we will always have access to knowledge, even when everything

(01:53:13):
is taken away from us.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. I'll tell you
where I feel that there's evidence of that. I mean,
like direct evidence, and this is not this is just fact.
I'm just going to lay it out there. We've all
seen the red hamdprints in like Chalve right, Alasco. Right,

(01:53:36):
we've seen those spain red ochre right, which is iron basically,
and don't know exactly for sure, but probably put in
the mouth and then blown on the hands and made
these hamprints on the caves. Right, That exact technique of

(01:53:59):
red ochre. The same pigment in the hand is found
on every continent Patagonia, go to the far East, go
to the far West, cave systems all in between. You know,
thirty thousand years ago, these artists were doing the exact

(01:54:23):
same thing with the exact same pigment. Now what does
that say. I think they communicated. I think they hung
out with each other at a minimum to the extreme,
with somebody else teaching them about this, with somebody trading
red ochre pigment, you know, down a trade route around

(01:54:46):
the world and showing everybody how to paint stuff. On caves.
I don't know. Is there an ancient advanced civilization before
that or were they go going into an interdimensional situation
where they were hanging out with each other and seeing
each other in an interdimensional sense and teaching and learning.

(01:55:11):
I don't know, but that the handprints with red ochre
around the world at the same time is crazy. It's crazy.
You look at the bulls that are painted in these
caves in Germany and France and in Spain. Look at

(01:55:31):
those bulls. Picasso, those bulls were the most some of
the most beautiful art ever created by any human at
any time. It just happened to be forty thousand years ago, right,
thirty thousand years ago Picasso replicated those cave paintings. Have
you ever seen Picasso's He's got a series. It's like

(01:55:54):
eight or ten drawings that he did of the bulls. Right,
So we started very primitive and then he went up
and then the last bull is done with one stroke
of a pen. Right. The horns are just like a
you know what I mean, It's like a stick figure. Okay,
so advanced, you know, and look how it's good. But

(01:56:20):
Picasso struggled with it. It's not anything as tasty as
what was created forty thousand years ago. And that says
a lot. That says a lot Pocasto stuff was good.
All I'm suggesting here is when you look at that,
we are lying to ourselves about who who those humans were.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
Yeah, and you know, there's a lot of stories in
the astral they say, there's temples, there's ashrams, there's places
where you go and learn in the astral So if
that is what people are experiencing today, wouldn't it be
the same forty thousand years ago where one group on

(01:57:08):
one side of the planet and the other group on
the other side of the planet could meet up in
that space in the dream time to share knowledge and ideas.
You know, this could possibly be the most ancient form
of communication that we have lost. And I forget who
said this quote, but I love this quote. It says

(01:57:30):
like everything that we've created in our modern times comes
out of a sense of loss, as in everything that
we do. Let's say like talking to one talking to
you right now, I'm in Toronto, you're in la We
built this structure because it's something that we've lost in

(01:57:51):
the past, but it's known to us, it's familiar to us.
So maybe forty thousand years ago we had this kind
of telepi fee astral travel thing down perfectly right, and
we could just sit down, tune in and start talking
to one another. You know, we don't know because we
don't have those records, but you have certain cases today

(01:58:16):
of people having these psychic abilities that say, yes, we
can do this, and let me show you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
The telepathy the telepathy tapes. Yeah, where the kids, I'm
saying kids, some were adults would gather at what they called,
I think it was the hill right, their little their
little party spot where they would all get together and
hang out and talk and share ideas and say hello,

(01:58:44):
and all of that done interdimensionally.

Speaker 4 (01:58:48):
And I'll just sorry, you just you just kind of
peaked memories years and years ago. When I had a
couple of very psychic friends. We would we would sit
and we talk and we'd say, do you remember do
you remember this park that we'd all play at when
we were little and we would all play together and

(01:59:08):
talk to one another. And then you realize, wait a second,
that park never existed, but we were there, so it
was like, was it like this dream park that our
friends would come and connect to when we are children
because we all remember this park, but it doesn't exist.
We can't go back there physically. We don't know where
this park is.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
So I hang on for a second. We're gonna we're
gonna rap with this. Okay, I'm just gonna pull this
up just for grins utter why because I can. This
is my show, all right. I just find this incredible,

(01:59:52):
all right? So here it is. This is the Bull
by Pablo Picasso, all right. And so he's just replicated
what was on the cave walls, right, and then he
ends up. You can see the stick figures on the
on the end that were almost drawn with like one
continuous line, you know what I mean. But as good

(02:00:16):
as these are, and when you compare these to the
Lasco Caves and what he was attempting here, the Lascow
Caves and chavet are, I'm gonna say it, I hate
to be like this, but they're better. He tried to
capture it, but it's just doesn't have the magic. That

(02:00:41):
his stuff doesn't have the magic. But there it is.

Speaker 4 (02:00:43):
Yeah, And you also have to remember, is was there
light in the cave? You know?

Speaker 2 (02:00:50):
Isn't that the biggest for me? That's one of the
biggest mysteries because you go if you go back Lasco,
any one of those caves, it doesn't matter. They are
deep inside that cave deep and in some cases, like

(02:01:14):
glas Cow, they were continuously occupied for five thousand years.
That artwork spans five thousand years, five thousand years.

Speaker 4 (02:01:27):
And it's deep.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
It's deep. Man, go to Castillo in Spain and you
go to the back part of that cave where some
of the original stuff is. That's the one where they
have the red circles that are a row of dots.
It's like four wide. Very interesting too. I'm still trying
to figure out that symbology there, why it's done the

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way it is. But that is done in a deep,
deep dark, you know, So how did they light up
that cave?

Speaker 4 (02:02:02):
It's again, it's all these We really did lose our past,
and you know, we know that there is something special
there and that's why we're all trying to get there
and learn about these things. But you know, it's only
recently that we found these things.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
By accident. Yeah, yeah, by accident too, By accident, yeah,
for sure, for sure, by accident. The last Cow was
discovered by a couple of kids that were walking their dog.
You know, World War Two. By the way, that's not modern.
I mean, that's not an ancient discovery a couple one

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hundred years ago. No, man, this is all modern stuff.
Very fascinating to me. Jason. Listen, man, where can everybody
go and order the book?

Speaker 4 (02:02:57):
You can go on Amazon to get the very quickly.
So if you could just type in Astral Experiences Jason
Quit on Amazon, you'll probably get it in a couple
of days. If you want from my website, the crystalsun
dot Com, you can get it there. But I think
Canada post is going on a postal strike tomorrow again, so.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
Is that right? Is that right?

Speaker 4 (02:03:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
Well, see, if you guys were the fifty first state,
you wouldn't have these issues.

Speaker 4 (02:03:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I would suggest Amazon right now.
But yeah, you can find it there. But thank you
for having me on with this, and I can't wait
to share this at Contact in the Desert too.

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
I'll see you next week. We will be having dinner
one week from today, my friend, one week from today, dinner,
Dinner's on me, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
All right, I will see you in one week.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
Save travels, Jason, give my best to Monica.

Speaker 4 (02:03:55):
I will and goodbye to all the fat or nots
and everybody in the chat. Thank you for watching the best.

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
Jason quit safe travels my friend you too, and that's it.
I will see Jason in a week. Everybody come out
to contact in the desert. It is in Palm Springs, California.
Links for it are below. And with that, I'm going
to depart. I'm gonna start my very busy weekend that

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