FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Dr. Simeon Hein

Tonight, Dr. Simeon Hein joins us to discuss how Cold Fusion is the answer to EVERYTHING!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:34):
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I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
venge if we were facing an alien threat outside this worker.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
This is Day to Black. It's your host, Jimmy Church
on the Game Changer Radio Network. All right, well, well, well,
here we go Fade to Black. I am your host,
Jimmy Church. I'm lining up my crystals here everybody. I
got to make sure that they're perfectly in line and

(01:27):
in place, otherwise a can start the show Fade to Black.
Today is Monday, June two, twenty twenty five. I'm your
hos Jimmy Church. Here we go, kicking off a brand
new week here of Fade to Black. I just got
back from Palm Springs out there, contact in the desert,
and here we are on Monday. Tonight, Doctor Simeon Heine

(01:49):
is with us. We're gonna be talking about tonight. Cold fusion.
Does it explain everything? It just might? That is tonight's show.
Tomorrow night, Hugh Newman is back with us. We're gonna
be talking about Go Beckley and Carahan Teppi tomorrow night.
On the show. Wednesday night, Trey Hudson back with this.

(02:09):
We're gonna be talking about the meadow and his research
out there and the high strangeness that is going on
Thursday night, Dale Grath is with us. We're gonna be
talking about the SI field in pre Cog Dreams. All right. Now,
I do have two major events coming up. I'm headed
to Peru in a couple of weeks and that'll be

(02:32):
with Brian Forrester June seventeenth through the twenty seventh. I
come back for that for the PSI Games August first
through the third, twenty twenty five in Charlottesville. Vigin Ya
excited about that because I get to be a game
show host. And now I wanted to say a couple
of things. I just got back from Contact in the Desert.

(02:55):
An amazing time out there. I posted pictures as I
went through the weekend, and I think I live streamed
too as well, and great fun out there. Captain Ron
and the team put on an amazing event. It was
a lot of fun hanging out with the faint or
notts and everybody that was out there. A couple of

(03:17):
things I wanted to just note before I bring Simeon on.
People pay attention to this show.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
They do.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
And one of the things that happened constantly as I
talked to people was they said, can we see your tattoos?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, that's okay. How cool is that? I mean, it's
just yeah, we could talk about UFOs and science and
physics and everything that we talk about in this show.
That's great. But people are paying attention when they ask
me that, and it was pretty cool anyway. So I
got back from Palm Springs and they were testing out

(04:05):
here the new B twenty one stealth bomber and heavy testing,
and I was able to just look up in the
sky or drive around and there it was. And normally
I don't talk about this stuff on the air. I'll
talk about it later, but never when it happens in

(04:26):
real time. But the friggin Air Force is posting pictures
online and it was them doing it, so I guess
it's okay to mention the B twenty one man just
up there flying around all weekend. This weekend and I
thought I heard it again today I rushed outside and
didn't see it. It was probably on the wrong side

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of the house. But that part doesn't matter. It's pretty
cool to see that going on. Pretty exciting weekend. And
johna Side was asking in the chat, you know, what
did I do this this weekend? And I wanted to
put that in the chat too as well. I'm just
nervous about disclosing these things. When you're right next to
skunk works and you see this stuff every day, I

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just I'm scared to talk about it. I just don't want,
you know, the men in blacks showing up going no,
all right, but they posted pictures, so I'm gonna mention
it pretty exciting to see that going on. I love technology,
which is what tonight's show is all about. Doctor sime
and Hine is back with us, and tonight we're going

(05:34):
to talk about his research into cold fusion. All right. Yes,
it's the science, but it's a combination of the science
and the paranormal, and that's what he does. And his
research in the cold fusion may explain a wide range
of mysterious phenomena, from bigfoot and cryptids to ghost sightings.
Orbs ball, lightning and even are you ready animal mutilations.

(05:57):
We're going to do all of that and much more.
We've got all of his links below, and I'm excited
to have him back. He's right there, doctor simeon Hine
sime And how are you?

Speaker 3 (06:06):
My brother? Hey, Jimmy, thanks for having me on tonight.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Man. It's always you know, you know, you know why
I enjoy having you on now. I enjoy every guest.
I don't want to say that, you know. It's like
you get you have three pets, you love them all equally, right, Okay,
So but anyway, with you, I can freely just let

(06:31):
the conversation go and talk about all the things that
I'm interested in. And that's That's always a great conversation,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, Yeah, that's the good conversations are, right, They flow,
they have a natural flow, and they just go where
they're going to go and it all makes sense in
the end, you hope.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
So you're you're one of those that I would love
to have over for dinner, you know what I mean?
And I always have. Uh. I think it was who
is that Andy Warhol? I think Andy Warhol said eight
dinner guests is the perfect dinner because of the conversations

(07:12):
you can have. You don't want to have too many,
you don't want to have too little, but eight means
great conversation. And that's what I love about having dinners
at my house is the right mix of people, the
right size, and then so you can enjoy conversation into
the early hours of the morning.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I'm imagining what that conversation would be like right now.
I can just see what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you get yeah. I mean the
food is always great, right, and the personalities are there,
and it's freedom of thought, freedom of mind, and just
wind it up and let it go, you know, and
you would be great.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, we'll have to do We're gonna do this sometimes, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
We definitely. And then maybe a little geetark, you know,
play little guitar tap. I'm going to tell everybody before
we get started here tonight. So Simeon and I were
chatting a little bit ago, and I'm sure that you know,
people would think, oh, yeah, okay, So they were talking
about physics and they were talking about Bigfoot and ufolk. No,

(08:20):
we talked music. Yeah, we talked guitars the whole there's
a whole all the way to the bloody end. That
was great, Yes, everybody, he just whipped out an ovation.
When I was a kid. See see how easy it
is to get sucked into guitars. When I was a kid,
I had And this is in the in the seventies

(08:41):
when ovations first came out, and up to that point,
technology started to grab hold in everything in industry and
everything else. And ovation was the first, like high tech guitar,
you know, alternative constructions and and ideas that were different

(09:04):
from the traditions that I've gone on for hundreds and
hundreds of years in instrument making. An Ovation was the first,
and they were not cheap when they came out. And
there's still not the ovation applause. You remember that one,
the budget one, all right, so you can get an
applause for a couple hundred bucks. But the other ones,

(09:25):
everybody wanted those when we were growing up. I never
got my hands on one, but you have one right there.
Such a cool guitar. How's it play?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's excellent. I love the sound of it, and sometimes
I even prefer it, you know, over a more expensive guitar,
just because well it's got the hybrid construction, so you know, tuning,
it's going to keep staying tune a little better as
you go to the gig is you know that's always
an issue before you perform with an acoustic guitar. It
could take like twenty minutes of tuning before you go

(09:56):
on stage to get it right. It's a little better
because of the I think it's a graph Fight composite.
Maybe it's made a UFO technology, who knows.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I think so, same thing that the Stealth Fighter is
coated with. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah it and you feel
more confident with that guitar. You can bang it around
just a little bit. You don't want to, you know,
drop it down some stairs, but you don't have to
be as gentle like you would with the Martin D
twenty eight or something.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
No, and Jimmy Ovation in my if I remember this correctly,
they were in the first companies to build electronics into
an acoustic instrument.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
And then right in Yeah, like with the applause, the
applause had an aluminum neck and the frets and the
neck were one piece.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, yeah, did you know that it didn't have frets installed?
It was a one piece of aluminum neck and the
frets were part of the guitar. Very high tech, very
you know. So anyway, See, we could just talk guitars
all night long. I just I just love doing it.
Do you think, okay, do you think we're going to

(11:07):
get into cold fusion in a second. Do you think
et listens to music?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
They listened to their I would imagine they listened to
their own type of music. Yeah, too, right, I would
think so, because you know, music is physics. Ultimately, these
are not separate subjects. And I'm just thinking about that
very famous physicist from two hundred years ago, Kolodney, Ernst
Friedrich Florence Klodney, considered the father of acoustics. He created

(11:39):
the idea of simatics. He went around Europe with his
violin and he played that metal plate with the sand
on to I'm sure people you know our viewers are
familiar in the simatics idea where you get these very
coherent looking wave patterns from different notes, and that became
this is not just something that's sort of of an

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esoteric piece of knowledge. That became the basis of the
quantum wave function. When Schroderinger created the mathematics behind the
Schrodinger wave function. It was based on Kalodney's waveforms. Back then,
at Colodney's time, it was simpler. It didn't have, you know,
the idea of multiple electrons around a particle. It was

(12:21):
just sort of one type of wave form. But the
mathematics was worked out then and quantum mechanics took that.
So in a way, music is one of the basis
of quantum mechanics.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Sure, okay, okay, let's take it one step further. String theory.
String theory would not happen if it weren't for the
violin and the guitar. Do you understand the idea.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
That would Is that the history of it that No, No,
that's my history of it.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
But when you, especially like Brian Green, but any physicist
that tries to explain in layman's terms what string theory is,
they go right there. It's like the string of a guitar.
The vibrates at a certain frequency and that will dictate

(13:20):
and determine. Okay, so that's the only way to visualize it,
and it's called string theory. Strings that vibrate, and so yeah,
I think that is very musically oriented.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
So Jimmy, let me make a prediction right now, Okay,
go when first contact happens, whenever it is in twenty
twenty seven or whatever year it's coming towards us, where
these crafts become apparent to us, the occupants, the ets
or interdimensionals, whoever's in these vehicles, or however they show up.

(13:55):
I have a feeling that people are going to hear
a type of music with it, sounds that they haven't
heard before. So I think your idea is actually going
to be We'll see. We'll all see in a number
of years. Whenever this happens, if this is truth, there's
going to be sounds associated with it that we've never
really quite experienced before.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
With contact ease and experiencers, when they describe the ships
and what they see and so forth, I always ask
them about a couple of things, because you never really
hear is there artwork hanging on the walls? Is there

(14:37):
an artistic aesthetic value to the interior of the ship,
And is there any music playing? How do you spend
that much time on a ship void of everything? It
doesn't make sense because et would have to have evolved
in the same ways that we did. They went through

(14:59):
the comedy poetry, writing, right, the media, arts and music.
They would have experienced all of that in their own evolution.
That's that's my take, and I just don't think I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, in their own way, but it may have evolved
into something that we don't directly experience the way they
do when we're on their ship. It may be something
they're perceiving that we're not. You know, our perceptual abilities
are not quite tuned to the way they theirs are,
and so there might be something. Yeah, and then there's

(15:37):
no question this is a This is actually a very
interesting discussion that I think we'll actually in our lifetimes.
I think all of us are actually going to see
what's the deal here with this?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I totally agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if
et gets off their ship wearing a T shirt that
says Hagar or David Lee Roth right with the question mark.
I wouldn't be surprised Van Halen tea Schert, you know,
a panteon de Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. I would not.

(16:10):
I would not. It just it's just that if they've
been studying us and they have been right, and they
know our likes, our dislikes. They know all of our languages,
they know what makes this tick, they know what you know,
what we're scared of and what fear, what makes us happy.
And they would have been exposed to Paganini and Vivaldi

(16:31):
and and and Bach and Beethoven and and and and
led Zeppelin. I just it has to be that way.
It just cannot be another way.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
No, And you know this is a whole This is
another discussion for another day. But there there are people
that have continually made a connection between rock and roll
and UFO contact many references in all our favorite rock
songs to visitors. I think even John Lennon wrote one
after one of his experiences where he saw a disc

(17:03):
with Yoko in Manhattan sort of off their balcony. H
And this seems to be a recurrent theme in a
lot of rock and roll music, which you know, most
of us I would imagine listening here grew up with.
And there's always been this theory Jimmy, that this was
inspired by extraterrestrials interdimensionals as a way to get us

(17:23):
to evolve, because there's nothing like rock and roll that
can charge you up like that, that can change.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Your mood yeah, you're right, And.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's an amazing thing. It's an amazing thing.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
It is, it is, And I think that uh no,
you know, I just said I think it is. My
my take that consciousness which is becoming more and more
of the conversation both in science and in our community,
but and the and the connectedness of everything with new

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musicians and creative types. Their mind is open and they
understand or are able to understand and see things and
consider things differently than people that don't have an open mind.
And so when you look at something like I can

(18:20):
just go down the list, sticks come sail away right
Inca Roads by Frank Zappa, Love Walks In by Van Halen.
These are songs the Sky's and Neighborhood by the Foo Fighters.
These are songs about ET contact. There's no guessing what

(18:43):
these songs are about. That's exactly what I remember. Eddie said. Yeah,
love walks In, Man, Yeah, that's a song about alien contact.
It's not a love song. People think it's a love
say listen to the words. You know, some kind of
alien comes walking in. So yeah, And I think consciousness
is the key to all of this.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
And ET understands that, right and certainly the eras of
rock and roll fifties, sixties, seventies beyond. It changed people's
mindset in a huge way. It got us together in concerts,
and not in the way that previous music made us

(19:24):
feel like we had to conform and wear a suit,
you know, and just sit there with our hands and
our laps and just be quiet. It got you participating.
So there was something very evolutionary about, you know, modern
rock music in the last you know, seventy years or so,
and so I would not be surprised if this had
some connection to ETUFO, just the songs, and what we'll

(19:48):
see in history is how it helped us evolve to
have a broader mindset that could even accept something like this.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Okay, now let's pull this into the science side, and
then we'll into cold feeling. You brought up cymatics, which
I think is crucial. But if everything is frequency based,
which it is obviously, but if it is and then
you have the rhythmic patterns of something basic like a

(20:18):
drum beat that allows the syncopation of nature back into
your own body and brain waves, that everything is just
fundamentally connected and you can eventually get on that same
frequency in wavelength.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah right, yeah, it brings us together. It brings us
feeling of being part of something at the same time
and with a large group, and and the themes. You know,
there's these sort of values and ethics of rock and roll.
You know, it was Geddy Lee. You know, remember he
said in looking at your ethics, he said, never do

(20:58):
something that would have violate your ethics that you had
as an eighteen year old.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
So it's it's like a whole paradigm and it not
only changed a whole generation. I mean, I think it
kind of led to new ideas and questioning authority, right,
and you could go thousands of years without questioning an authority.
Just look at societies around us even today, where you
just believe whatever is being told by the higher ups.

(21:29):
So it really led to this. It's kind of like
a predisclosure mindset in my view rock and roll and music.
It leads you to start questioning things and feel a
sense of energy and confidence that things could be different
than they were in the past. But there's something to take.
It's not something to be afraid of. It has its
own coherrency, rights, its it keeps moving and it's it's

(21:52):
it's a fascinating topic.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
So you're an anarchist physicist. Is that what you're saying.
That's kind of what you're describing. Yeah, yeah, I get it.
You got to burn down the old to get to
the new.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well, I'm not the only one who said that. You
look at all these quantum fothers and mothers of quantum
mechanics said the same thing, that it just only moves forward,
you know, one funeral at a time science because people
don't want to change their ideas. And we're all part
of this too, We even have ideas. I'm sure if
you start getting in discussions with people and they challenge you,

(22:30):
you can have this knee jerk reaction that you're right.
But when you really look at it, it's very easy
to fall into a set mind mind framework where you
stop questioning the reality beyond what you learned in school.
And that's what we're all being confronted with right now.
What's coming at us right now from multiple directions, whether

(22:52):
it's the science the topic of tonight, cold fusion Lenner
type topics UFOs ets are you can update them, called
them UAP. Now, if that's a little safer. I mean,
whether people realize it or not. People who are listening
and watching this show right now, whether they realize it
or not, are on the vanguard of this change because

(23:13):
you have been inoculating them every single night you do
this show to this kind of fear of change. They
if they're them that people who are a part of
the show love it and they crave they have the curiosity.
Just look at the guests you mentioned at the beginning,
all people that I know and respect and love to
converse with. But it is coming at us at multiple angles.

(23:37):
I don't see any other way out of it, whether
it's from out there or from the inside. And there
is going to be quite a big paradigm shift. It's
been so long in the making. I think at least
fifty years. It's like the water behind the dim of
evidence building up, building up, building up, you know, and
the system really didn't want to adjust to it. I

(23:58):
think we'd all agree this sort of a disclosure that
we talk about has been a little slower than we
thought it might have been. I think some of us,
even back in the nineties, thought it's just like next year.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, next week, next week, yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
And then they're going to come out and just tell
us there's gonna be a press conference, you know, and
we're President Clinton's just going to hold a press conference,
and it's all going to be over. And here we are,
like only twenty thirty years later and we're still with
But that just means when it's going to happen, it's
like an earthquake. I mean, you can hold back the
tectonic plate movements, but when they finally start to move right,

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it's a lot more movement.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
I can't remember the physicist who said this. I'll have
to think about it. I read it in a book.
I got to think about it anyway, who said, if
you want to be a scientist, and specifically a physicist,
and beyond that a theoretical physicist, you have to have

(24:56):
extremely thick skin because whatever you do today will be
wrong tomorrow. Eventually somebody's going to come along and prove
you wrong. And you can't let that deter you. You've got
to stay the course. But that is what science is,
is nothing but a string of corrections. That's right. It's

(25:20):
like no true or words have been spoken, have they? No?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
That is exactly right. That's what people often don't realize
about science is every idea in the long run gets overturned.
It's almost it's what you want to happen. You want
to simplify it and get some sort of unification in
your sense of how reality works. So it means that
the more complex ideas give way to simpler ideas. And

(25:44):
anyone who's been part of those older ideas, you know,
there's this tendency to cling on to cling to these
ideas and hold on to them and defend them, you know,
but everything ultimately gets overturned. Even what we're saying tonight,
as much as it makes sense to us, it's the
best week can do with the information that's been available
to us over the past decades and all the books

(26:05):
we've read about history. It's our best sense of what's
going on. But I'm sure someone will come along in
one hundred years or even less and show even a
simpler way of describing what we're talking about. And that's
how Yeah, that's how the process works. It's really anarchic
in a lot of ways, and inherently revolutionary, even though

(26:26):
it seems to move at this glacial place a pace,
believe me.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, and it's not right. And the crazy part is
it's not so glacial. If we go back to the
turn of the century, when there were still scientists and
physicists out there arguing about the existence of the atom,

(26:50):
right like, and so the idea of quantum mechanics and
quantum theory and quantum physics. Especially back then, they couldn't
see any of this. This was all math and theoretical,
right And even to this day visually we see very
little of it. Everything is algorithms and its equations and theoretical.

(27:16):
But the point is, if we go back to the
turn of the century and the idea of fusion and
how adams and elements work for the existence of stars
and how that happens, that was all theory. And how
far and how fast we have come in the last

(27:36):
one hundred years between you know, nineteen twenty five and
now you go back Schrodinger, Nil's Bohr, right, you know
those gatherings in Copenhagen and these crazy the conversations that
they were having back then, Simeon, which were so exciting,
was the craziest science fiction of all time, right, But

(28:00):
that was the only way to work through it. And
look where we are just one hundred years later one lifetime.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, one lifetime, yeah right, I mean one hundred years
ago the idea of the atom. I mean, as you're
pointing out, no one had actually seen an atom. It
was just hypothesized to exist. The technology didn't exist for
a couple more decades with electron microscopes and things to
see at that level, So it was all theoretical. But

(28:27):
the idea was that it was like planets circling the Sun.
That's the bore atom. That's what we started with. And
look how far we've come to this idea of this
probabilistic cloud that does this quantum jumping between energy levels,
you know, the electrons and so forth. By the time,
the only model they could conceive is, well, it's like

(28:49):
you know, moon circling around the Earth, and that's you know,
the electrons going around the nucleus. And of course there
was a problem with that because what would keep them
from eventually falling into the sand center of that planet?
What would keep them in orbit? So even at the
time they knew it didn't quite make sense. In other words,
it would exhaust all its energy and just stop. But
that's not what happens. So eventually they realized that these

(29:12):
electrons just jump around between shells, and that they also
have a wave like description where they're really not anywhere
at twenty one time. They're just they could be there
until you make the measurement, you don't know where they are.
And that's where this all began to change is the
realization that what looks like it's really solid actually has

(29:33):
a simatic wave description, just like a simatic pattern if
sand on a metal plate, that it's a waveform, and
that describes it as accurately as the idea that it's
actually something solid. Because there's more space in this than
there actually is stuff. The space is like proportionally, you know,

(29:54):
as far apart as stars in the sky. It's mostly
empty space described by this wave function, which is very
challenging for our minds to understand, isn't it. But that's
what the man, that's what it seems to show.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
And I'll throw one last I'll throw one last thing
in there because the double slit, I mean just right
there you can ext and it's so elegantly illustrated, right,
you can see it right, but people don't get it.
And and it is way it's way out, it's way out.

(30:29):
What do you mean, a particle can be a what
and a and a what at the same time, depending
on what right, and and watching them scatter and line up.
It doesn't make sense to anybody how this can possibly happen.
But then at the same time, it was suggested that

(30:50):
you could change the state of something by observing it, right,
And it's like wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, and
now you know. But yet a physicist won't believe in ghosts, right,
it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Make It's just like its precisely.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. That is the craziest
science fast.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, Jimmy, that's exactly right. This is what I I'm
really glad you brought that up, because this is what
I always wonder. We're being told that matter is both
simultaneously a particle in a wave and that our measuring
it actually affects the system itself, and it actually doesn't
exist until. This is what quantum mechanics actually tells us.
It doesn't exist until you take the measurement. And yet

(31:33):
it's hard to believe in ghosts. What's what's what's What's
more ghostly than something that's not there till you measure it.
It's not right.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I would I would even take it as another step
brother and say, what's the difference.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
What is the difference?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, what's the difference? It's crazy to me and you know.
And so today where we can have conversations with science
that are trying their best to convince and have the
world to understand about the multiverse, extra dimensions, eleven dimensions,

(32:14):
parallel worlds, cubits, quantum computing, entanglement. Right, that is the
craziest wacked doodle woo woo science fiction there is. But
yet this is science fact for the for the world
of science, and they are trying to I mean, Marvel,

(32:34):
the Marvel Universe. Isn't that wack of doodle? Right?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
No, No, it's not that wack of doodle. And you
again with the strangest ideas that modern physics tells us exist,
even going as far as parallel realities and multiverses, which
have existed ever since you ever at the third that
his the under John Wheeler at Princeton right back in

(33:03):
the fifties. The idea of multi versus parallel realities, realities
that are in the same space we're in, but you
can't always see them. Somehow, that's labeled paranormal or supernatural,
but if it happens at a microscopic level, it's just
called quantum chage.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yea yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
That's what doesn't add up here. That's our challenge to science.
If you guys are so smart, why is your really
weird quantum world just obvious? But then we have other
phenomena that regular people experience all the time, all over
the world for thousands of years, and you're labeling as supernatural.

(33:48):
Why isn't it just natural or normal? It's a type
of labeling design to make something marginalized, in my view
as a sociologists, deliberately marginalizing people's experience because it doesn't
quite fit the social power structure structures that be. Something

(34:09):
like that is going on here because it is no
stranger the stuff we talk about on this show, other shows,
the topics all of us here enjoy and enjoy talking
to people's experiences about which I get to do a lot.
There's nothing stranger about that than telling me that a
particle isn't a superposition like we're told in quantum computers,

(34:31):
which we know all the major you know, tech companies
are working on, and government and self governments and so forth.
You know, to have these super powerful quantum computers that
can break cryptographic keys and so forth. The particle is
both one and a zero simultaneously. But somehow ghosts are weird. Seriously,
how do you what's the logic there?

Speaker 1 (34:54):
And so one last thing, and we got to get
into cold fusion. We have to do. This's gonna be
a great conversa. But now, well, we can just do whatever. Man,
you're the guest. It's my show. Is this forever we
have accepted I'm gonna say dogma about Einstein's general and

(35:16):
special let's apply it to both and the speed of
light and mass and energy. Okay, all right, that nothing
can exceed the speed of light for a multitude of reasons.
But that's the law, right, that's it. That's the accepted right,
that's accept entanglement. It's like, wait a minute, you're saying

(35:42):
that two particles can affect each other, no matter the
distance or obstacles in between, instantly, not faster than the
speed of light, at the speed of now. Now, but
that goes against the grain of everything. But that is

(36:04):
where they are today. But telepathy doesn't exist, right, or
anything else that could operate in the same principles don't exist,
but you have to you have to believe in entanglement,
and I would argue that it's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
No, exactly right, Jimmy. This is what I wonder about
every day is how did our science go in this
direction to label telepathy as something that seems you know,
strange or weird or unbelievable or there's no evidence for it,
despite you know, the twenty years of the government RV program.
You're going to talk to Dale Graf. He knows all

(36:43):
about this as one of the program directors for the
RV program for a while. But yeah, it again, it doesn't.
It's actually to me not scientific. You know, as someone
who's subscribed to this magazine for thirty years and read
every issue. Why are the topics that are chosen to

(37:03):
be in this magazine put out by the American Association
of the Advancement of Science. Why don't we find the
topics that we talk about on this show in this magazine?
That is a big question. Ever since we would say,
post World War two, these topics have been really pushed

(37:23):
off to the margins, very little funding. Lots of funding
for other types of science, but not for these types
of phenomena that actually affect people every day, and people
have experiences of it. They know it's real because they've
either talked to people who've experienced it, family members, they've

(37:44):
had an experienced precognition. Something that doesn't add up with
that linear mechanistic model that we were taught is how
it works in high school and college, right, they have
an experience of this sort of instantaneous communication, like you know,
like you're suggesting, for sure, why isn't that taking you know,
what is the threat to our system for taking that seriously?

(38:05):
Why isn't it taken seriously? Ridicule attack? It's a really
good question. I don't have all the answers. I'm sure
everyone listening right now has their own view on this,
but that's really what concerns me a lot of the time,
including the cold fusion topic that we're about to talk to,
same sorts of irrational attacks literally on the people themselves,

(38:29):
not just the ideas. Why is that okay? But somehow
with other types of science superposition, quantum entanglement, that's not
considered any stranger. I think you're making a good point here, Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Okay, So this is my take on that thought is
that they've been chasing the theory of everything. Okay, all right.
I think that the theory of everything is what they're
afraid of. And I think it's consciousness. I think it's
consciousness and entanglement eventually unwrap into the fundamental things that

(39:10):
drive the universe, and that they don't want to go there.
They just don't.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, it's so. There was this guy, doctor Vanovar Bush Yep,
back in the fifties. He is alleged to have been
on the MJ twelve group in the group right, and
yet he wrote a book about the dangers of federally
funded science leave it or not, destroying individual initiative, curiosity

(39:43):
and creativity. This is the same doctor Van Ofvar Bush
and one hand we see him as sort of representing
this sort of evil cab state. Yes, with the MJ
twelve group covering up the reality of extraterrestrial visitation, which
might be true, might be true. At the same time
he writes this book about the danger of dangers of

(40:06):
centralized science, and I think that is what we're dealing with.
We've had decades and decades of centralized, federally funded science.
A lot of it helps us every day, you know,
with weather predictions and studies of the ocean and the
climate and the atmosphere, and you know, protections from toxic chemicals,

(40:27):
and so that's what we all love, you know, benefit
from that. But the other side of it is to
attack and marginalize scientific research traditions that don't fit into
that centralized model, and for decade after decade, pushing them
away like the UFO topic like pside research, parapsychology, and

(40:53):
it is seen now by the mainstream is something, as
you were saying a few moments ago, something you know,
it's something that you can legitimately make fun of and ridicule.
I'm believing someone's been involved with remote viewing. I've been
in I've had contact with news casters and news crews

(41:14):
that came to study what we were doing. But at
the end they told us they had come to debunk
what we were doing. I won't mention the network. It
seemed like just an experiment, but underneath there was this
agenda to debunk it. Why are they why not try
to see if it's actually well.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Tell me the bigger story. The bigger story to them
is the debunking, not the advancement of science.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, yeah, and that's where we are now, and that's
why we're so far behind and understanding UFOs, UFO technology
and consciousness. Is we've had this multi decade war against
these types of science. And maybe it's partly deliberate because
as we're told, it's highly class So there's sort of

(42:02):
a couple of things going on here. The people that
know about it want to publicly debunke it, so the
rest of us don't figure out how it's working because
they want to enjoy the benefits without you know, our participation.
You know, these special access programs and this is you know,
we've seen Congress talking about this and these hearings recently,

(42:22):
just one just two weeks ago, right ye, with Eric
Davis and some of the other folks that have been
involved with this. Yeah. So it's really when I have
conversations with the scientists who've been involved with a TIP
and as AP and people. You can meet them at
conferences and so forth. You just came back from one.
Sometimes those folks are there, you can talk to them.

(42:42):
They're happy to talk to you off the record. What
they will tell you is it's damaged American science, this
attitude that you and I are talking about right now
of ridiculing all of this and compartmentalizing it on the
other side so that we're we're farther behind, and we
should be at this point because we don't have honest

(43:03):
public discussions, including the cold fusion topic. It's just seen
as okay in magazines like this, and I write them
letters sometimes when I see their attitudes towards these topics
is that they're not looking at it scientifically. They're looking
to make ad hominem personal person attacking the people, not

(43:26):
the actual evidence because it seems to threaten their grant structure. Oh,
it's fund they're funding mechanisms, so it's like it's like
a turf war. But I am happy to say the
data is catching up quite quickly to this older structure
of science. And it was Bob John from the Princeton

(43:50):
Engineering Anomalies Research Lab Number Pair Labs that did all
that research in micro PK. You know, they had for
twenty years people come in and focus on ones or
zeros to affect the random number generators. Produced a lot
of good evidence. I've talked to the people that worked
in that program, and he once said, if science isn't
going to engage this after twenty years of producing hundreds

(44:11):
of thousands of tests and trials with good outcomes that
show a clear effect of any person, average person being
able to affect a random number generator just by thinking
one or zero, and the effect is stronger by the
way in paired couples. He said, if they're not going
to engage it, they just need to eventually get out
of the way and let us. You know, it's like

(44:34):
the Bob Dylan song. You know, if you're not going
to help them, this move out of the way, which
one of those songs. Eventually, the data builds up so
much and it becomes technology and science like we're seeing
happening in quantum computing, that they're going to be irrelevant
because these technologies and this type of science, and I'm

(44:55):
convinced this type of contact with extraterrestrials or whoever they
are art this is going to happen and it's going
to make them look pretty archaic very quickly.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
It might be what's the what's the difference between fusion
and cold fusion?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
So the fusion is something we're all familiar with just
by the way the sun works. We're familiar with hot
fusion from how we're told stars work at very high temperatures,
fusing hydrogen into healing a helium, overcoming this Kolb barrier
that we're told is the reason fusion doesn't happen at

(45:35):
lower temperatures. It's it's literally what Isaac Newton studied alchemy.
It's elements transmuting into other elements. And you remember, for
hundreds of years scientists Newton and others were always looking
how to turn lead into gold. That is fusion in essence, and.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Sern cern create did this last ye? Yeah, yeah, crazy,
We've had these.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
So this is what the deal here is with fusion
is it does appear. This is how nature works. Nature
is using fusion all of the time at very high
temperatures like we see out in the cosmos, but also
at low temperatures in nature all around us, in geology,

(46:23):
in tornadoes, in volcanoes, and many other processes that nature
just creates on its own without us. Okay, So low temperatures,
at low temperatures, the same sort of fusion process via
another electro we would say, electromagnetic mechanism at very small scales.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Wow, And this okay, okay, let me let, me let
me jump in, Let me jump in for everybody out there,
just let me explain, uh, clean up what sime and
just so elegantly put together. Our sun uses its mass

(47:06):
and gravity to compress its core of right now, it
is hydrogen. It has a hydrogen core surrounded by a
helium shell, and that compression down the heat generated. Right now,
it's about ten million degrees that the fusion process occurs.

(47:29):
Hydrogen is changed, and then it eventually makes its way
out of the Sun and turns into heat and eventually
reaches us here. The Sun is going to go through
three different stages of this process. Eventually, helium is going
to overtake the core, and because helium is a heavier

(47:49):
element than hydrogen, and that's another process that'll be at
one hundred million degrees gravity, and our sun is going
to do some crazy shit and we will not be
living here when that occurs. It's going to be a
crazy process. But that is that. And then so to
change that process at lower temperatures, that's the key to everything.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
It is the key to everything. It's the key because Jimmy,
the fusion process that we see in the sun and
these very expensive, very sophisticated complex man made experiments like SERN,
like ITER and other hot fusion lab experiments that are

(48:36):
very expensive and to this date have really never worked
for more than trillions of a second. They produce excess heat,
excess energy, more energy comes out than you put in.
So the idea has always been, if we can harness
this or tap into this, not only can we have

(48:57):
nucleonic transmutation of elements, we can tap into the same
type of energy that we get from the Sun, but
at a low temperature. If we can find a way
to get that fusion process operating in a small reactor
at room temperature, and this has been the goal. Everyone's
familiar with Fleischmann and Pond's experiment at the University of Utah,

(49:22):
which we learned about in eighty nine. They had been
actually looking at a variety of processes at low temperatures,
and the cold fusion experiment, as it was called back then.
It's now called low energy nuclear reaction LENNER. That's how
you'll see it referred to. At the time it was

(49:44):
called cold fusion. There were other researchers around the planet
working on it just around the same time that we've
never heard about until recently. Doctor Takiyaki Matsumoto in Japan.
One of Ken's Shoulder how put offs colleagues Can Shoulders,
who also worked at SRI and had been involved with

(50:06):
creating microelectronic masking technology for the NSA to create microelectronics
decades ago. A number of people have been working on this,
even going back to the fifties. There's a guy named
Winston Bostic working for DOE to find peaceful uses of
nuclear explosions nuclear energy propulsion. A number of people have

(50:29):
been working on this over the decades. We really haven't
heard about it very much. And the idea is, at
a room temperature in tabletop type reactor device, can you
create a loop of feedback so that the excess heat
keeps the reaction going And in essence you've created a

(50:52):
huge amount of energy output for a very limited input.
And that has been the goal of this from the beginning.
One aspect of this type of research.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Do you think it's do you think it's going to happen?
And why is it that? Like the US Patent Office
and the science community in general based on I keep
I love using the word dogma because you repeat something
enough it becomes truth that this is something that is
impossible and goes against everything that we know in science.

(51:30):
So therefore, if anybody achieves this, it's bullshit.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Well, first of all, as we've been talking about the
previous hour here, science changes, New ideas come along. The
idea of the structure of the atom changes from one
decade to the next their Copenhagen meetings and debates. So sure,
it might not have fit into the formal idea of
how atomic structures you know, interact and so forth, but

(51:59):
those ideas change over time, and based on all of
the data we have, it's not only does it work,
it's sustainable and it can. Many different experiments have reproduced
these reactions, at least temporarily sometimes. I think the longest
one was doctor Alexander Parkamov in Russia. He was able

(52:22):
to sustain this reaction for two hundred and twenty five
days with his cold fusion reactor, and recently Google attempted
to reproduce it. Wouldn't that be great as a power
source for all these AI servers and so forth consume
a lot of electricity? Is something right on site that
could generate the electricity instead of you know, tapping into
it at a nearby hydro electric dam or something, or
building a lot of new nuclear power plants. They weren't

(52:45):
able to reproduce the Parkamov two hundred and twenty five
day reactor. And you can ask people who know about this.
Someone in the comments mentioned Bob Greenier at the MFMP
YouTube channel. Anyone can listen to his presentations on MFMP
to hear about the very fascinating history behind all of this.
But they didn't reproduce it quite correctly. And I talked

(53:08):
to someone at one of our science meetings s S
Society for Scientific Exploration in San Francisco twenty fifteen, doctor
Vittorio Violante. He gave us a whole presentation about exactly
the question you're asking, and he said, we got the
cold fusion reaction working. It's a resonance reaction. It's not
a chemical reaction. It's a type of resonance between the

(53:32):
atomic structures, and when they resonate in a certain way,
it keeps amplifying itself. But he said it's very finicky.
It can take a couple of weeks to get the
reaction going, and then you sustain it for a while,
and sometimes it can abruptly stop. So it's a very
it's a very sensitive reaction to sustain. But he did
say they produced excess heat. He said, there's no doubt

(53:54):
in their minds of that Italian government agency e NA,
largest energy institute in Italy. These said they got it
to work. It definitely worked. It's not a question of
does it work, it's a question of how can you
sustain it so it produces xs heat, energy, even electricity.

(54:15):
So why haven't we seen it yet? My argument would
be that there is so much money going into the
hot fusion research that takes decades to complete that those
people don't want it to work because it would interfere
at all these really large universities that we're familiar with.
It would interfere with their funding process. It would basically

(54:39):
make them obsolete. You know. It's like my dad used
to say, when the automobile was invented, the people that
made horse and buggy whips went out of business. It
was just reality. And we're talking about the people who
make horse and buggy whips going out of business with
an automobile. That's my feeling about it, because you look

(55:00):
at the trail of papers and research and our own
doe has been funding this type of research for decades.
They even bought one of the best cold fusion companies
in Ukraine a number of years ago, called Proton twenty
one Labs. They brought them and got all the work,

(55:22):
about one hundred workers to come over to the US
and they ended up at Oak Ridge in Tennessee. And
the program is black Now. They had done something like
eight thousand successful cold fusion documented experiments, produced what they
believed were many black holes in the materials they were
working with xseat nucleonic transmutation. You can look at Adamanco

(55:46):
and Bysotsky, But I think if you do your research,
you'll find that there have been people successful at doing
this Jimmy, and it ends up being either bought out
by the US government or something happens to it. So
I think there are interests there that don't want it
to work.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
It's like a two pronged problem that we have. If
it exists in nature, the process is simple, and we
are making it complicated. Okay, that's it. That's it. If
it exists in nature, then it's frigging basic. It's fundamental,
and it's basic and a very simple process, and we're

(56:27):
screwing that up. The other part with this, with the
hot fusion. I just explain, and I'm not playing around
hot fusion. Our version of fusion with our sun right
now is operating at ten million degrees. The hot fusion
experiments that are happening on Earth right now in China

(56:49):
and other places are trying to achieve levels of one
hundred million degrees. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. It's
easy to get to ten million. Why aren't we just
working with hydrogen and working with the same principles that
our son is working on right now? It seems that
that is achievable with our technology today. Why are we

(57:12):
digging around with one hundred million degrees and achieving this
hot fusion for you know, millions of a second. It
doesn't make any sense. Why aren't we operating in if
we're going to deal with hot fusion in the ten
million degree hydrogen gravity world. You understand what I'm saying.
It doesn't make any sense, does it.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Sometimes you get the feeling that they just want these
projects to keep going. We've always been ever since I
was a kid in high school reading Omni magazine. Remember that, Yeah,
we're always told that hot fusion powering our homes is
only about ten years away. This is in the seventies,
so we should have seen it in the nineteen eighties.
We are way anyone who listening to music, We're way

(57:57):
past the eighties now.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I thought we all were going to have fusion reactors
this big.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Hello, yeah, little fusion reactors. I think it's doable. But Jimmy,
what you're saying is correct. We should be doing it
the way nature does it, and it does it at
these low temperatures all around us all the time. And
we see this in ball lightning and cold fusion. According

(58:23):
to people like Matsumoto, is just micro ball lightning. It's
a type of resonance that ends up creating a sustained
standing wave like simatics, very similar to a simatic pattern,
and it regenerates itself sometimes for a couple days. Those

(58:43):
little mini ball lightnings can just embed themselves in metal,
feed off the electrons in the metal, and they're just waiting.
Their ken shoulders. By the way, said the same thing.
They all thought that this was a very natural reaction.
And I'll tell you the closest everyone comes to it.
Every day, those little static shocks you get from touching
a pet or touching a doorknob. That is the beginning

(59:07):
of a cold fusion reaction. It's not sustained, it just
sort of discharge. But if you can generate that little
charge and sustain it, that is, according to these researchers,
that is the beginning of that resonant fusion reaction. It's
called a charge cluster, and Shoulders called it an exotic

(59:27):
vacuum object, the quantum vacuum with an exotic vacuum object Evos,
and he said if he saw them in his experiments,
if you can sustain them, they can create this excess
energy electricity. And so here's where this goes into the
the supernatural and Bigfoot encryptids. There is a dark version

(59:49):
of all this, Jimmy, let's go. It's called black Evos,
black ball lightning. If you read skin Walkers a Depentagon
by Jim mcatsky about Skinwalker Ranch and all of that,
they encounter these dark shapes that seem darker than dark Bigfoot.

(01:00:10):
So many of these encounters that people said it looked
like the absorbed light. They were Darkanta vanta black vanta black.
So many of these paranormal phenomena mimic the dark side
of cold fusion. I'm not saying dark side as negative.
There's an inverse side about it that Matsumoto called mini

(01:00:33):
black holes. Shoulder called it black evos black. They are
a flip side of ball lightning, well, the absence of
the absence of light exactly. They're absorbing energy. They're absorbing
ambient energy and creating structure out of it. And so

(01:00:56):
much of what we see around what we call the paranormal,
including those smells of sulfur and other types of burning
smells that people associate with cryptids, bigfoot ghosts, fire and brimstone,
even going all the way back to the Bible, associating
the demonic with this sort of sulfurous types of smells

(01:01:19):
that is also seen around cold fusion reactors. Those same
smells are seen around cold fusion reactors. It's the natural
course of events when you get fusion going to create carbon, iron,
and sulfur, and these are some of the same elements
that we see around what we call the paranormal. So

(01:01:42):
it really seems that there's a connection there. It's really
a connection a natural type of cold fusion that's already happening,
and that some in my view, life forms have already
picked up on this. They have surpassed our hot fusion reactors, Jimmy,
and they're using this naturally a power source to generate

(01:02:03):
coherent energy to get humongous amounts of strength, cloaking, invisibility, teleportation,
all these things that we associate with creepy follies and
encryptids and Bigfoot and all of this is all associated
with ball lightning, micro ball lightning, coherent matter. And it's

(01:02:25):
it's almost an irrefutable connection at this point for me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Uh, We're going to continue this after the break. And
it's it's a fascinating thought because you're with a group
of friends, right you're walking around. Somebody says, you know
who farted and somebody else, No, that's we're approaching a
cold fusion reactor. Oh but I'm bump. I'm going to

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Church tonight, doctor Simeon Heine is with us and we're
talking about cold fusion and how it possibly could explain
just about everything. Simeon, Could cold fusion in nature open
up portals in between dimensions and would that explain a

(01:07:32):
lot of things too as well?

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Yeah, it points in that direction. I mean, even some
of these researchers, like I've mentioned Ken Shoulders and others,
you know, they talked about these charge clusters creating other
realities within our reality that we see right here that

(01:07:56):
is going to be invisible. And we're not talking about
a parallel reality. This is not like a Hueverett thing,
a multi quantum state. We're talking about our reality here,
but something within it that's hidden, he said. One of
the things not mentioned. And by the way, this is
from his paper Permittivity Transitions. Anyone can find this online
now Ken Shoulders just look up his work. When I

(01:08:20):
read this, I you know, it inspired the whole book
Dark Matter Monsters, just from this one sentence. Okay. One
of the things mentioned is the likelihood of forming totally
black organizations with ghostly properties and being able to operate
without our being able to see them in any presently

(01:08:43):
available way. He's talking about charge clusters creating. We were
having a discussion about the ghostliness of entanglement. He called
it pseudo quantum entanglement. It's another variation on it, but
he's the one that tells us that it's creating life
forms in the spaces around us, right next to us.

(01:09:06):
I'm not trying to scare anybody, but this is what
the scientistic perceives them. They're there, but they're not coupled
directly into our type of matter. Their primitivity is slightly
different the electrical constants. He talks about complex organisms emerging
from black invisible ball lightning, basically, and that is our

(01:09:29):
link to all of these life forms phenomena cryptids, the
abilities of Bigfoot and other types of creatures to seemingly
vanish as I've spoken to many witnesses who've described this
to me, literally turned to these little sparkly lights and
they're gone. Someone even a couple of weeks ago, told
me it looked like the predator effect in the tree.

(01:09:52):
She and her husband went up, and this was an Idaho.
They saw this outline. That was all that was left
is the shimmering outline pressed against the tree where this
bigfoot creature had been I think, and I'm happy to
be proven wrong by anyone who has another idea, But
I think that's what Ken Shoulder is talking about. Complex
organisms based on a type of inverse type of electronic coupling,

(01:10:14):
creating invisible matter with super conducting super fluid effects. And
this is what we see with a lot of these phenomena.
Don't you think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Do these dark clusters have thought?

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Do they think, oh, yeah, yeah, No, they're their own
type of intelligence. It's just based on a type of conductivity,
super conductivity self organization that is extremely fast by our standards.

(01:10:47):
Shoulders called it electronic formations at electronic speeds. They're operating
at electronic level, so they can change very quickly. They
can generate gravitic effects. Their type of matter has a
coherency that our matter doesn't. It's all different temperatures, different frequencies.

(01:11:12):
We were talking about frequencies at the beginning of the
show the link to music. We're talking about complex structures
that are coherent, where the particles are at the same
frequencies and temperatures, and it gives them the ability to
morph in ways that you and I don't quite know
how to do yet.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Can we take this scary thought a step further? Do
they have community? Do they have an existence? Is there
a communal organized structure?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Well, I would imagine they do. Why wouldn't they? We,
you know, we see this out of all types of organism. Yeah,
someone's mentioning plasmoids. Here's what we're talking about, plasma toroids, plasmoids.
This is the phrase we mentioned in Bostic in the fifties.
He came up with that phrase plasmoids in the fifties.
That's what we're talking about. H Yeah, let me give

(01:12:08):
a classical analogy to this that everyone will be familiar
with murmurations of birds. When you see a flock of birds,
you often see this. It's very common in the Midwest.
You've driven through there, Jimmy, see these huge flocks of
dark birds and they all turn at once like a wave,
you know, as if there's no leader or anything. No

(01:12:28):
one knows quite how they do it. That's sort of
what we're talking that's kind of an analogy. What we're
talking about here is particles that are so closely entangled
connected to it they form a type of coherent matter,
a stage of matter. Past plasmas, the most abundant form
of matter in the university of plasmas, nebulas and lightning

(01:12:51):
and auroras. That's actually ninety nine percent of the universe.
The visible universe is this plasma state, this electronically electrically
charged gas, ionizing gas, and we're all familiar with that
from fluorescent light bulbs and so forth. But this is
that type of energy organized like that flock of birds,

(01:13:11):
with a coherency to it. And when we throw in Jimmy,
that ninety percent of the matter in the universe is
this dark matter, as physicists have been telling us for
the past couple decades, dark energy and dark matter. We're
outnumbered by this dark matter five to one in terms

(01:13:34):
of weight. So for all of the matter we can
visually see, there's five times as much matter that's around
us that you can't see. So I would imagine that
these communities out number us by five to one something
like that, and we don't see them most of the
time until they decide to pop into our existence, and

(01:13:55):
all of a sudden they're there with their strange sort
of proper is kind of enormous amounts of strength, ability
to seemingly glide, you know, one of the things I
always wondered about, Jimmy. Just as an aside, is you
often hear reports of these flying cryptids floating without flapping
their wings, as if they're almost using the same type

(01:14:18):
of propulsion that bees do or insects, the ability to
kind of float without necessarily you know, something electro static,
electromagnetic rather than physical motion.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Yeah. Uh and I okay, this is my twisted mind,
but I always go back to music. It's the only
way I can like get everything correlated. But if we
have we're on a wave right here, let me change camera.
We're on a wave. They are on a wave that

(01:14:51):
is on a different timescale than ours, but for a
brief second they cross and for that brief time, that's
when the frequencies match, and that's when they are visible
to us, and that's why they then appear to appear

(01:15:14):
and disappear. Yeah. Am I using appear to appear and
disappear correctly? Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Yeah. Yeah, you know, I think for a lot of us,
it's very challenging to believe that there are life forms
in your environment around you that you can't see. They
are operating at another frequency and in this inverted way
that shoulders talks about where they're absorbing more energy than
they're giving out very much. You mentioned the word vortex

(01:15:45):
in one of those little breaks during the break in
one of your promos for something that you're doing, the vortex.
This is what we're talking about, is vortex type energy.
Ether vortex type energy. The same way that tornadoes seem
to have this incredible power that goes way beyond anything
we understand from hydrodynamics or thermodynamics, the ability to pick

(01:16:07):
up semi trailers and to melt. You know, sometimes when
they go buy things look at they've been melted. They
don't look like it's been blown apart. They like mailboxes
will look like they're dripping like a Dolly painting. That
shows us there's something electromagnetic going on in that vortex
type structure. And I would guess that these organisms, because

(01:16:28):
the tornado and the whirlpool are the only structures in
nature that we know that are like this that seem
to be reverse entropy. They're not losing energy, they seem
to be pulling in energy. I really suspect that what
we call cryptids are types of life forms that learned
how to do this, not like us, where we need

(01:16:50):
to always keep taking in more energy or we kind
of our energy level goes down. You know, typical thermodynamics.
They seem to know how to absorb energy from the environment,
ambient energy the way even people like scientists like Gerald
Pollock in his Fourth State of Water book, The Fourth
State of Water argues that water goes into this state

(01:17:14):
where it's absorbing radiant energy from its environment, and that's
what's driving things like tornadoes and structures like that. And
he suggests very much like what our conversation is going
the direction it's going in that he believes there are
life forms that can literally just live off of ambient

(01:17:34):
environmental radiant energy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
You know what it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Water absorb the energy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Yeah, you know what it tells me. I remember, you'll
know the physicist. But there was a physicist like eighteen
seventy said eighteen seventy, there's nothing left to learn, right, right,
that's it. We've learned everything that we need and that's it.
There's nothing love, And here we are in twenty twenty five,

(01:18:04):
and I think we don't know shit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
The more that we move along, the more questions that
we have, we know actually very very little. And I
don't think I'm wrong, am I?

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
No, No, you are not wrong at all, Jimmy. These
institutions never want to present themselves as not being experts.
We're all familiar with this. Every time we go to
professionals or experts. They are not putting people down that
provide professional services to us, but they want to present
themselves as the expert, right, or you probably wouldn't be
their customer. But science is like this too. It has

(01:18:43):
to present this fake facade of knowing everything while underneath
the reality is much more like what you just said,
we don't really know what's going on. We may know
five percent of it. And it's somehow these instant tutions
around us lost their humility if they ever had it

(01:19:03):
to begin with, and they want to present it to
the public as if, oh, we know how fusion really works,
this cold fusion. It's junk science. It's you know, pathological science,
these crazy terms they invent for this stuff that nature
is already doing everywhere. You know, you mentioned seeing that

(01:19:24):
B twenty one bomber, You saw it contacting the desert,
flying around in that area.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
No, it might know here I live in Oh yeah,
I live next to skunk works.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Oh you know, okay, see your palmdal got yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. So there is this feeling that one of
those bombers, which one was it had the electrostatically B
two large, yeah, B two B two. I saw some
of those go by coming back from a conference in Laughlin.
The remember the Laughlin UFO conference is a number of
years ago. Driving back what with area fifty one right

(01:20:00):
to my left, going up that highway in Nevada going north,
and this pair of B two bombers came right over,
not too high up, and I started thinking about what
I had heard at the conference, which is the idea
that they were using electrostatic charges as a type of
way of reducing air drag and so forth. So some

(01:20:22):
of these ideas already seem to be employed. Unfortunately they
end up in special access programs and the public doesn't
realize how fascinating science really is and what's actually being
used in technology. So it's already there, but the publicly
facing organizations that we see, the publicly facing side of NASA,

(01:20:43):
for example, they're very hesitant to talk about any of this,
even though they know damn well that this is happening
from all the sensors they have in their satellites and
sensing systems. So I would say, yeah, the science, we
really don't know very much. But that's very encouraging because
that means there's a lot more we're going to be

(01:21:04):
learning about all this, and with all the challenges that
our planet's facing right now, it means maybe some of
the solutions aren't as far away, you know as we think.
It's just these institutions are very reluctant to become very ossified.
You know, they just become set in their ways and
they're we all know how they work, and they don't adjust.

(01:21:27):
I mean, I'm just down the road from the University
of Colorado where my apartment is here in Boulder. This
is I look up at that building where the Condon
Report was written, in that Physics and Engineering building. I said,
how could they have said those things when the Condon
Report came out in the late sixties, that there was

(01:21:49):
no military significance to all of this while our ICBM
facilities are being shut down at Milestrom and my Not
and all those different Northern Tier sack bases right where
the objects would come over, and you know heard Robert
Sallas and others talk about this and just whole flights
of missiles, which it seemed impossible to these missile launch

(01:22:11):
control officers. They all just would go down simultaneously, all
ten of them, Like it's unbelievable, since they're all on
separate systems. How could you have written a report at
that time period and said, oh, there's nothing to see here.
And then we later find out they had reached that
conclusion before they even started the study, which is why
some people on the content report quit. And so I

(01:22:34):
know this univer just gives you an example. This is
the university that's right next to me here, just a
mile away. They completely did a whitewash of the UFO
UAP issue when they knew that this was affecting, you know,
national security, very serious intrusions into nuclear weapon missile storage
facilities and launch facilities. And yet they're saying, well, we

(01:22:57):
don't see any significance to the topic. End of story,
and we don't hear about it again for you know,
a couple decades until that twenty seventeen New York Times article.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Every time I'm in Bolder every month, right working, and
it gets under my skin every time I drive through there,
and I think about that I do the same thing
that you do. It just that whole situation still affects me.
I just get angry about it. And the result that

(01:23:30):
came off of that a bunch of paid.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
I'm going to say influencers, right, that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
A lot of money went into this. A lot of
money went dollars. That's a lot of money in the
late sixties.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
There's a lot of money, and everybody's opinions were bought
and paid for and changed and changed the course of
history right there. Let me let me ask you this.
I kind of want to stay on the dark side
of this. Yea, and dark used two ways, one the

(01:24:02):
absence of light. That's why it's called dark dark matter
and dark energy. But dark also because of the implications
that are there. Experimentation is important, and conducting experiments cern
is blasting stuff together at the speed of light just

(01:24:24):
to see what happens. Okay, I like that approach. You
don't know unless you try it, right, But it are
they opening up portals to allow dark stuff to come
through into this world, both accidentally and possibly with intention?

(01:24:50):
Is that a way to experiment?

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
It's a good question. It's like that Stephen King novel
The Mist right where it became a movie and there's
some military experiment and these creatures come through from the
other side and they're you know, not friendly. Yeah, it's
a good question. But I can say from the research,
we know that those smaller type of black holes and

(01:25:20):
dark matter objects, they're more ephemeral than the really large
ones we see out in the cosmos. Those black holes
we see out in the cosmos are really huge, and
they last a long time, they keep going. The ones
that could pop into our reality are more like the

(01:25:40):
things that again. Doctor Alexander Parkamov studied Soviet Union, Russia
of these micro black holes that he felt were coming
into the atmosphere occasionally. He gave several examples from his
country's history of people experiencing sudden anti gravitic effects and

(01:26:02):
people's like gravity getting canceled for a few seconds in
certain areas in the Soviet Union, where people floated off
the ground, hit the ceiling, everything's off the ground. Temporarily.
People saw these objects coming in, stripping off nails off
of roofs as they came along and so forth, but
they don't last that long. The smaller the black hole

(01:26:25):
is actually the more powerful it is. Again, we know
this from the research of doctor taki Aki Metzumotove. He
had what he believed were micro black holes. I mean,
this is a book that you can get by the
way on Amazon, produced by the MFMP and Bob Greenier.
He called these mini black holes. I'm not certain if

(01:26:46):
these literally are mini black holes, but they could be.
He believed this is the source of cold fusion and
ball lightning, and to support his research, and I put
a video about this on my YouTube channel. Just about
a week ago, there was an article in New Scientist
magazine arguing Jimmy that black holes are not always round.

(01:27:08):
They can form threads, almost along the lines of the
string theory you were mentioning before. They can look like
strings and threads. There was a Russian researcher bu Rodionov
who also made the same argument. Is that we've misconceived
of some of these processes. We think of them as
just being balls, but they can form threads and strings

(01:27:33):
of that type of gravitic collapse you would associate around
a black hole, So they may be around us more
than we would think. But they tend to be more
ephemeral and they're sort of limited by their own event horizon,
which would be pretty small. So I don't think, to
answer your question in my long winded way, I don't
think it'd be something to worry about. I mean, I

(01:27:54):
could be wrong about this, but for my research, they
sort of don't eat. You know, they're not the lack
hole that swallowed the earth. Even if CERN is producing
a little bit of this, do you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Do you think that there are Okay, I have interviewed
I'm going to interview him again. A physicist at CERN
from CERN. Okay, all right, from a boardroom at CERN. Really,
you know, a nice guy. But he said something to
me that I always found a little strange. His comment

(01:28:30):
was innocent on the surface, but I asked him about
this subject and this was his answer. Simeon. He goes, hey, man,
we hear the same stuff that you do. I said, okay,
all right, he goes, yeah. And I'm still looking for
the secret Illuminati door here to the room. I haven't

(01:28:53):
found it yet, Okay, now, funny Joe, haha. And I'm
thinking to myself, what if you know what I mean,
what if there's actually something to that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
And it sounds like if you want to deflect off
of something then joke about it to get away from
the truth, you know what I mean. And I'm not
that much of a conspiracy theorist, but it was just
a weird joke, right, It was just like a weird
and I laughed. But I guess the question ultimately should

(01:29:28):
have been back to him. And I'm gonna ask you now,
is everybody Ancern on the good side of the fence,
right or is there some Is there some bad actors
over there too as well that want to check out
the crazy part of physics.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
I would imagine if you ask the people working there,
since I kind of read their publications and articles through
different science magazines, they would probably feel that they're doing
doing good, honest research for all of us. It's the
people that are funding all of this. Are they sharing
all of the results with the public? Is it transparent?

(01:30:12):
That's the That is what we ran into with all
of this classified UFO research. I mean, I've spoken to
people who've been involved in looking at these crash materials
and none of them want to come forward with their name.
Yet they will tell me what it's like to look

(01:30:34):
at those materials, and it moves in this direction of
what you're talking about. These materials have exotic properties, even
to the point that these people have told me they
felt like it was self aware material, even though they
didn't know what that literally. It's a strange thing to say.
It's the feeling they got from being around it, that

(01:30:56):
it was engineered at such a nanoscale, tomic level construction,
that it got to this threshold of the plank constant,
this tiny unit of measurement, the length of time it
takes light to cross an atom.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
The.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Plant constant, the basis of physics, that everything resolves to
this plank constant. That this material was almost conscious like us,
which is strange to think of inert material as being
like that. So I imagine if cern had come across
anything like that, I don't think they would be talking

(01:31:35):
about it, just because their mandate is to do this
publicly funded science and to kind of smash particles together,
and you know, if you can get the energies high enough,
maybe they can find a new particle or something and
advance the standard model. So like a lot of this, Jimmy,
I think when these discoveries are made, the rest of

(01:31:56):
us don't hear about it because it's just not part
of the end of that publicly funded project. Even if
such things are actually discovered, I can't believe it's just
Masumoto and Ken Shoulders and a few people here and
there in the cold fusion community who've discovered this. I
think it's probably been discovered over and over again, and

(01:32:18):
the people that discovered it sort of want to keep
the benefits for themselves without really sharing it, or maybe
it's the key to a lot of other things that
they feel. Well, you've heard about these national security orders
where they can the government can come to your lab
or your research facility and confiscate your equipment and slap

(01:32:41):
you with a silence order where you can't even say
that you are visited in the interest of national security
if they feel that you've gotten to the point where
you're you've discovered something that could, you know, affect national security.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Yeah, you've heard. Yeah, and that has to be in place. Yeah,
I'm not it's weird. I don't want to go against
the grain of the way our community thinks, and the
man and and everything else. I totally get that, but
their needs. I need to feel comfortable that at least

(01:33:18):
some of this stuff is under control. Yes, you don't, Yeah,
you don't want to. You don't want some mad scientists
doctor Doom guy running around with no you don't know
you want I want to feel like James Woods is
going to step in and go no, that's it, you know,

(01:33:40):
and black Hawk helicopters and and come in and take
over somebody's lab if it needs to happen. And I'm
I'm okay with that, Simmy, and I really am. That's
the only way I can sleep at night. I'll give
you an example, all right, crazy example Forbidden all right,

(01:34:03):
nineteen fifty five. That movie came out right, nineteen fifty five.
Great movie. But that's the crazy part about that movie
was they were fighting a monster created from consciousness. Right,
your biggest fear, your craziest thought, is manifested into reality

(01:34:28):
and you can't defeat it. Now we are on the
cusp of that type. That's exactly where you are at
in this conversation right now today with cold fusion and
all of this. Well, I don't need doctor Doom in
control of that technology.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Right. It's definitely a balancing act. There's you know, it's
like a coin with two sides. The other side is
that We're on a planet that has a lot of
environmental challenges, and if we had leaner technologies that didn't
pollute that we're didn't involve tearing up huge amounts of

(01:35:07):
the planet for resources for energy. I think we'd all
agree it's a cleaner, better way exactly create abundance. So
we need to have that without the potential, you know,
destructive effects of dark matter, monsters and black holes coming

(01:35:29):
through the portal. We yeah, no, it is something that
we will get control over, Jimmy over time. Because we're
all very curious people, we always want to learn more.
The show is just a perfect example proving that point
and to master this science and technology in a way

(01:35:49):
that's natural. And we're so familiar with these really large
scale projects we've been talking about cern that we don't
even realize we're looking at this same sort of energy.
When we see a bumblebee flying through the air collecting
pollen from a flower, that it's most likely that life

(01:36:11):
forms we're familiar with, I would argue, are already using
some of these principles for anti gravitics and energy. That
some of this is already being tapped into because the
energy is there and it's advantageous. Hummingbirds another example. You
look how they fly. You wonder how they can fly

(01:36:33):
those huge distances, or if they aren't using something like
the B two bombers, some sort of little static they're
generating from the speed at which they flap to generate
a little extra lift. I mean, when I look at hummingbirds,
that's what I'm thinking. There was a Russian scientist named
Gribinikoff who believed that the tiny, fine fractal structures of insects,

(01:36:55):
the little tiny hairs on their wings, provided type of
anti gravitic effect and electrostatic effect.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
When I watch. Yeah, I've got humming their feeders on
the front and back of my house and it is
fascinating to me. I can sit there for hours and
just watch hummingbirds. I watch them fight. By the way,
they are territorial gangsters. They are not cute little oh now, man,

(01:37:29):
I watched them. But anyway, there's this one that sits
up in the corner of my yard and watches the feeder. Okay,
and when somebody comes in that she I'm saying, she,
I'm assuming anyway, that boom and she's like a bullet
out of that tree. Instant velocity in a straight line

(01:37:53):
to the feeder and then stops on a dime, right,
And that is that's not flapping. There's something else that's
going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
I don't know what it is, but honey, I think
I think it's this Grabinikov effect. I mean again, it
could be something else, and I'm always happy to be wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
But how do they stop and start while they are
in the air.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
I think they're getting close to ken shoulders exiety vacuum
objects where there is describing these little electronic organisms that
are slightly decoupled from our reality. They're in the same space,
but they they are not coupled to our physical space
the same way. They certainly look that way when you
look at hummingbirds. Conventional scientists say, no, it's just the

(01:38:37):
way they use sugar and they have these special muscles
in their wings. But I think it's more than that.
I think it's their Grabinikov direction or something like that
that they're That's my belief about why nature is already
tapping into cold fusion. Lenner, Yeah, I like that these
organisms are already doing it. They don't need government grants.

(01:38:58):
In fact, Jimmy, they don't even need to mentally understand
how it works. They just know that at that very
small scale there's extra amounts of energy available electro magnetic energy,
and they're using it in some way, which is why
they seem a little strange. But their personalities, as you mentioned,
are very interesting. I'm always amazed how they will guard

(01:39:21):
a feeder and they'll let certain birds. What is the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
They are so nature?

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Yeah, definitely, it is so gangsta.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
And I never knew that about hummingbirds until you sit
and watch the community and how they operate. Because sometimes
there'll be three or four of them sitting on the
feeder and everything seems to be cool until the gangsta
comes in and it's like, really, it's it's man, h,

(01:40:00):
You've got to I don't know. I don't know the
sense of community. How do they know? And they obviously do.
They know who is who? Right? They know friend or foel,
They know all of this. And I've got two feeders
in my backyard and one in the front, and to
watch the competition between the two feeders is one. To

(01:40:21):
watch what's happening. They'll come out of the trees chase
them away. While they've chased the hummingbirds away, the other
ones come in while that and then he comes back
or she just like and it's just it's fascinating. Now,
staying on the subject, going back to dark energy, the

(01:40:46):
the idea that we're just now, as a matter of fact,
starting to it's starting to reverse itself, these theories. But
dark energy pushing the universe art in all directions faster
than the speed of light, and it is increasing in speed. Okay,

(01:41:07):
So that has been pretty fundamental since Edwin Hubble nineteen
twenty two through nineteen twenty eight when he first started
proposing this. How does that energy last infinitely? Why doesn't
that energy weaken? How does that energy consistently get stronger

(01:41:34):
without absorbing other energy around it? It doesn't make any sense.
And it goes it goes way past entropying the second
law of thermo dynamics. If it just continues forever.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Yeah, that one is challenging to understand. What you're saying
is that everything is sort of moving apart from everything else.
And it's something I don't like to think about too
much because if you read these books about it, what
they tell us is in that several hundred million years,
you won't even see stars in the sky anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
That's right, it's gonna see that's a little.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Can you imagine looking out and it's totally black because
everything is They're still there, but the light can't. It's
too far there. It's faster, and the light's going to
get to us. Eventually the light won't reach us anymore
and will just be us. Well, of course you pointed
out this solar exploding solar scenario in the beginning, so
maybe we won't even be around for that. But no,

(01:42:32):
it's definitely one of the No, we're not sure exactly
what talking about dark matter very second, we don't know
what the particle is. What is dark matter? One or
two percent of it seems to be this cosmic background
neutrino field. These so called relic neutrinos, which I want

(01:42:53):
to point out, are coherent. They were all created at
the same moment in the universe, and they're at the
same frequency, and they can be a source of quantum
entanglement because they're already they're all over the place, but
they're exactly sort of, they're attuned to each other. They're resonant.
We already have one that just one source we know
of resonant communication in the universe. Are these relicant patrinos again?

(01:43:16):
Doctor Alexander Parkamov in his book Space Earth Human talks
about this extensions relicant to trino tests to prove that
there was this something coming in at different times of
year that we're affecting biology and chemical experiments and so forth,
with seasonal a seasonal effect, which suggested it had to
do with where the Earth was in position to the

(01:43:37):
Milky Way, some sort of cosmic effect anyway, something that
most of us are not familiar with. That is definitely
one component of dark matter, a tiny component, one to
two percent. But here's the thing, even one to two
percent dark matter is still more than all the solid matter,
regular visible baryonic matter as it's called, that we can see.
It's a lot. So there's the dark mattere then the

(01:44:00):
dark energy. Endless debate Jimmy over what is the source
of this energy that apparently is pushing galaxies apart from
each other in all directions as if increasing in speed increase.
It's the space. The space itself is expanding. The space

(01:44:21):
is expanding. It's not that the galaxies are moving. The
space they're in is moving and expanding and growing. It's
a little challenging to wrap your mind around.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
I mean, so, my, my, where I get and I
study this, man, I this is a deep part of
my research in my time. But I get to the
point where all those talk about zero point energy and
singularity and find Well, if you want some example of that,

(01:44:58):
I would say, the d is behind dark energy are
exactly that. Entropy and our sun. Our sun is in
a little state of stability right now. Okay, so it's
like in a happy entropic state, right It's gonna eventually

(01:45:18):
entropy is going to take over, but it's stable. One
thing that has been pretty stable for the last thirteen
point eight billion years is the expansion of space. Entropy
hasn't taken over. The energy is consistent and it's increasing.
That doesn't make any sense to me. It just doesn't.

(01:45:41):
And I try to understand it, where I go, oh, okay,
but no, it doesn't make any sense. So why can't
we figure that out and tap into that energy source?

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
That is the basis for the cold fusion Lenner process.
It's natural. It's natural type of self organizing resonance, and
there are different ways to get it. You can create
these experiments by putting deterium heavy hydrogen into these palladium rods.
You can do it through sound, Jimmy, cavitation. There are

(01:46:18):
people like Mark Leclair that created the same effect, including
the microball, lightning and everything, just from cavitation, just from sound,
which generates these little bubbles in water that then collapse
at these really fast speeds and seem to create a
type of quantum shock and transmutation of elements. There's a

(01:46:43):
number of roots to create this natural self organization. But
there's one more component of it, Jimmy, we have to
talk about sound. There is coherent sound. It would be
it's a natural outcome of this acoustic cavitation. Articles written

(01:47:03):
about the coherent generation of sound. There's a relationship between
plasmas and sound and something called ionic acoustic waves that plasmas,
even out there in the universe create sounds. If you
can do it in a way like we're talking about,
where it becomes coherent, you would create a sound wave

(01:47:25):
that would be the equivalent of a laser for light.
And the connection here, I think is something that we've
all many people have experienced around Bigfoot, which is what
they say is this. It was the loudest sound I
ever heard in my life. It was louder than a
freight train. It was louder than being in front of
UH speakers at a Black Sabbath concert. It made my

(01:47:46):
organs vibrate, that's how loud it was. And yet someone
one hundred feet away from them in the campsite didn't
hear a thing that's like a sound laser.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Yeah, directional directional sound.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
It's not something most of us are familiar with, but
it's one implication of all this. But I would argue
people already have experienced this in their reports of these
tremendous bigfoot howell growl screams that other people don't hear.
That should have hurt it. If it's as loud as
where these people said it was, it should have been
heard all over the campsite. And yet it's more like

(01:48:24):
something that's directed at them that they're experiencing in their
body that is not omnidirectional, and so it seems more
like a laser. And that gets us back in this
whole direction of coherent matter, directional energy, and so forth
in resonance. Is this is the outcome of it. So

(01:48:47):
that's why I think you see evidence already in the
so called paranormal world of this type of energy process
going on. Again, it's natural, it's self organizing. It seems
to be the way that matter wants to interact is
to create a type of resonance and energy exchange. Can
that happen, it's the norm, it's the normal.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Can it only happen in an atmosphere, It can't happen
in a vacuum.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
It can happen. Yeah, it could happen at a quantum
level in a in a vacuum type state, and I
would be in an experiment, not something you and I
would experience like the Bose Einstein content say, this is
something that bos and Einstein. Bose wrote to Einstein in
the twenties that I think your theories of relativity predict

(01:49:41):
a type of matter where it's just a wave. It's
like a coherent wave that's so slowed down it's like
one big particle. And they created this here every if
you visit Boulder was created over at NISS, the NIST
labs at the University of Colorado in I think ninety six.
I mean, it wasn't seen until it was predicted by

(01:50:02):
Bosan Einstein in the twenties, but they didn't see it
for seventy years. It only takes place and I acted
in a coffee shop here I ran into someone who
was a world expert on the Bose Einstein continency, and
he had come in from cern by the way to
help show them how to make it permanent and not
just pulsed. But it's sort of it's a it's a wave,

(01:50:23):
it's a it's a wave of energy instead of a
wave of matter at ultra cold temperatures. And that's an
example of coherent matter, but only in a jimmy in
a lab in a very isolated setting at near absolute zero.
The type we're talking about the same process of coherency
where all the particles are entangled together and act like

(01:50:46):
one particle. When they all act like one particle, you
get this phase conjugation where it keeps amplifying instead of
having the waves and troughs be kind of a different place.
It's kind of like when you and I play new
it's sort of doing its own thing and you get
harmonies and distance. This is where it all overlaps and
overlaps until you get something that's really focused and really powerful,

(01:51:09):
like a laser. So yeah, it wouldn't be in a
vacuum in the way you and I experience it in
real life. But I think that's what people are experiencing
when they see something cloak and teleport or have this
very loud directed sound, but someone next to them doesn't
see it. It's a type of Let me give you

(01:51:31):
another example of this around cryptids and Bigfoot. You talk
to people that have been around them and they say
they experienced this sudden terror around the Bigfoot creature, or
it could be dog Man or other types of cryptids,
but they say it turns on and off like a switch.
And one woman I know who I've talked to extensively,

(01:51:52):
she's a fan of your show, Julie said that when
she experienced this in Indiana as a kid, it felt
like it was projected like a frequency on her. She
knew it wasn't coming from inside, but it was this
incredible sense of terror. But then it just switched off
like a light switch. Again, it's the same type of directional,
coherent energy. I would argue, completely natural. As we've been

(01:52:16):
talking throughout the show tonight. You can try to recreate
this incern labs and very expensive experiments, but I think
nature is already doing it, and these creatures that we
call Bigfoot and Tryptis and so forth, it seems that
they already somehow harnessed this thousands of years ago, and
we're like the dummies here. I mean, I have modern

(01:52:37):
technology and science, but they just sort of naturally kicked off.
I don't know. Is it through their hair. Is it
because they have so much fine hair that as they
walk there building apostatic charge charge clusters just from moving around?
Or is it from sound that they make that type
of carnage? Well, that's the along the lines I'm thinking
about right now.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
Yeah, you know, we talk about it today on just
talking about our community or science fiction or whatever, like
this is some new phenomena. Ancient cultures have been talking
about this shit for five thousand years. This is nothing new.
I don't want to say what I showed you earlier.
I don't want to bring that up. But I showed

(01:53:18):
you something that is six thousand years old. Yes, right,
that is an example of an understanding of this subject
and it's represented in that object. This is nothing new,
is it? It's just right now. I want to let
me ask you this. Let's close out. Let's close out

(01:53:39):
the conversation with this. I a few months ago, lying
in bed in the dark, I had this thought pop
in my head, and I don't think I'm wrong, but
let me hit you with this. Entanglement is not restricted

(01:54:01):
to particles that are entangling themselves or we are entangling that.
Every particle in the universe is entangled everything. I don't
want to see it become unentangled. That's a bad situation.

(01:54:24):
But I think that that I it. I think every
particle in the universe is an entangled pair. What do
you think about that?

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
No, it's a intriguing I get it's sort of an
organ over arching organization to the whole everything, not partially everything.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
Everything is entangled.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's another way to look at it. It's
another way to look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
I'm not a physicist, I'm not a PhD. I'm not
any of that. I'm not even going to crack the
joke I played when on TV. I'm not even gonna
do that. Yeah, but I it just if we want
to get using that my favorite word, fundamental, Right, let's
get basic. Let's just get down to the bottom line
of everything that answers for me, that checks so many boxes, channeling, communication, telepathy, dreams,

(01:55:25):
parallel worlds of course, quantum computers, you know. And it's
not about one of my particles of my brain entangled
with a particle.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
In your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
Everything is entangled, and that just answers a lot of
questions for me. I think it's too heavy for science
to even consider. But I don't know, man, it makes
a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Well, we're if we're all entangled like this, what we
should all be doing right now is envisioning a more
peace full world. Right, Let's do something right about a productive, fistful,
cool place where there are music concerts all the time
and the tickets are affordable like they were when I

(01:56:13):
saw Zeppelin in nineteen seventy seven. I think I paid
thirty bucks for those green tickets in Madison Square Garden
and I did the computation and it would not come
to like two fifty nowadays. So yeah, I think we
can do I think we can do a lot more. Then.
I'm encouraged by all this, Jimmy. So I'm gonna say
all my experience, from remote viewing to crop circles to

(01:56:35):
resonance to these is there is an over arching set
of principles here. If we can tap into it, it
comes down to resonance. That's what entanglement is. If we
can tap into resonance and learn how to play with
it and work with it, we can create the abundance
that we all desire and need to survive in a

(01:56:56):
healthy way. I think it's there. It's just somehow Wow,
we've been led to think that it's all this linear
mechanistic processes, which is only just a limited amount of
how the whole thing works. It's this other layer of
resonance that is over everything that I think we're going
to see more and more of it. And I would
say that people are going to see more of it
in their lives in different ways, and you affect it

(01:57:19):
from your own resonance, your own attention, your own thoughts,
and so forth. It's an interactive type of field. And
that's I think where we're going with all this. I'm
really convinced that's where we're going with I think we're
going in this direction because I don't think in the
thirty years Jimmy that I've studied this topic, I would
have seen this type of unification that we talked about tonight.

(01:57:39):
I never imagined it would unify over the very types
of things we were talking about tonight, coherency, dark matter,
things like this. The fact that it's come together around
these principles, whether it's energy or these exotic life forms,
these cryptids, to lepathy and so forth, the fact that
we can talk about those around couple central principles shows

(01:58:01):
me there's a where we're going is a really cool place.
I think we're going to a really cool place together,
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
Where can everybody check out your latest work?

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
You can go to my blog newcrystalmind dot com. It's
a blog I've had for a couple of decades now,
and that links to all my books, lack Swan Goos,
dark matter, monsters, my YouTube channel. I like to put
up YouTube videos here and there just about the stuff
we're talking about. So you can find me on YouTube
New Crystal Mind. You can just put my name into
Amazon to see any of these books and so forth.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
So yeah, thank you so much, man, and always great,
always a great conversation, and I look forward to our
next one. Man, Thank you so much. I'll be in Bolder.
I don't know, maybe in about a week.

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
Well shoot me an email or something.

Speaker 1 (01:58:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be and so I'll reach out to you.
I'll be there. I'll be there next week. Okay, So
I'll hit you up and we'll go break some bread.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
Sure. Thanks everyone, Thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
I'll talk to you doctor, Sime and h and everybody.
His links are below. Go and check out his stuff
and there you go. What am I doing tomorrow night?
Does anybody know why do I do this at the
end of every show? I never have my stuff up
in front of me. Hugh Newman here tomorrow night, Simme

(01:59:27):
and Hine tonight, Hugh Newman tomorrow, somebody pinched Me? Trey
Hudson on Wednesday, and Dale Graf on Thursday and Amazing
week coming up on Fate to Black. Thank you Simmy
in Perfect Show tonight. And so let's just wrap it
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