FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Hugh Newman

Tonight, author and researcher Hugh Newman joins us for a full night of Gobekli and Karahan Tepe!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is Day to Black. It's your host, Jimmy Church
on the Game Changer Radio Network. All right, good evening,
Fade to Black. Today is Tuesday, June third, twenty twenty five.
Let's do this man. Yeah, I like saying that. Yeah,

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I'm your host, Jimmy Church. And what a great week
here on Fade to Black. Last night doctor Simmon Heine
was with us talking about Cold Fusion. Great show. And
tonight it's Hugh Newman back with us, Go Beckley and
Carahan Teppy. Yeah, yeah, that's tonight and other stuff and

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we'll see where the conversation goes. Tomorrow night, Trey Hudson
is back with us. We're gonna talk about his research
out at the Meadow and its high strangeness. And then
tomorrow night, Dale Graff is with us going to talk
about the SI field and precog dreams. Yeah, all of
that and much more. What a great week. I'm fade
to black. I love it every week. It's just got

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to be better than the last. And that's what we
do around here. I do have two major events coming
right up in about ten days. I'm heading back to
Peru with Brian Forrester for the Inca Celebration of the Sun,
the Winter Solstice celebration, and then I am back for
the SI Games August first through the third, twenty twenty

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five in Charlottesville, Virginia. The links for everything are below there.
You go heading back to Peru, you know, and tonight
we're gonna be talking about the megalithic all night. And
when you go to Peru, that's also exactly what happens.
You look at the construction everywhere you go and how
it's layered, and you go down and go a dowd

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and you get to the megalithic. Yeah, it's my favorite part.
There is nothing like the smell of a megalithic site.
The stone. I'm gonna ask you about that. I'm telling
you right now. For us researchers that get out there

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and for those of you that have been to some
of these sites, there's a smell, yeah, and you never
ever forget it. And tonight we're gonna be talking all
about that, his recent trips to Turkey, go Beckley Teppee,
Carahan Teppee, and other sites around the world. He's an

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amazing author. He's a filmmaker of course, and he's an
explorer and everything centralized around ancient mysteries and megalithic sites.
And his links are below and right now I'm just
going to bring him in. I'm too excited about this, Hugh.
I'm just gonna go straight to it and say, well,

(03:55):
come man, let's just get to it all the way
live from Stonehenge. You knew him and everybody. How are
you doing, Hugh?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm really good. How are you, Jimmy?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
It's always good to see you, man, It's always good
to see So do you wake up every day and
just walk around Stonehenge? Is that how you start your day?
You know, with a cup of tea?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, a cup of tea and Stone Enger every morning? Yeah?
You could say that. That would be good if I
could be bothered to go over there. But it's about
about twenty minutes fifteen twenty minute walk from here. Oh
but yeah, I'm there a lots to say that, I'm
there a lot more than any normal person should be. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Man, does it ever get old? No? Pun intended? No
pun intended?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Right, No, no good pun. But no, no, it doesn't know,
it doesn't. It's it's something very odd about living near Stonehenge.
I mean any megalithics site. I think you know, we
were talking earlier about Andrew Collins. He lived inside avery
Stone Circle for many years. He knows the school. And like,
I've got a friend Jeffrey Will lives right near Serpent

(05:01):
Mound in America. And yes, where stuff happens at you
know houses that are located near these sites. I mean
we have a lot of weird stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, for sure, people ask me all the time. Uh,
it's different, but the same. I live next door to
skunk Works, right, it's a mile up the road. And
if that ever gets old, it doesn't. I I I
will be out driving either on my Harley or in

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the car, you know, doing stuff, and then go, you
know what's swing by? You know, let's swing by skunk
Works and see if anything's flying in the sky. It's
right there. No, it'll it'll for me, It'll never get old.
It's just it's it's just right there. It means so
much to everybody, and it means so much to me.

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And that's why I live here, and that's why you
live where you do.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah. Yeah, and it's got to be done. I mean,
opportunities to live in these kind of unusual, kind of
ancient places don't come around all the time, so you've
got to grab it and kind of a you know,
go for that experience.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Now before we get into go back, Lee Tappy, before
we get into that, and thank you for the smile.
I just brought up the smell of a megalithic site.
I'm not making stuff up, am I isn't it Isn't
that amazing the smell?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, you do get, Yeah, you do get kind of
like the special kind of sense I guess or sense
as well both when you go to these places. I
think it's like catching sights when there's no one else there.
Makes it pretty interesting as well, because you kind of
have the you know, sometimes when it's just been raining,

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or if it's been a kind of misty morning and
sunny the day before, stuff like this you kind of
get these different sense these different smells. Yeah, so yeah,
you can and get that for sure.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Let's get into go Beckley Tepping and we'll start there
and we'll work our way around. But what is it
about Go Beckley Teppe that makes it so special?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
There's so many things. I mean, yeah, I mean, the
scale of it is pretty impressive, and the date of
it is insane, and the intricacy and the kind of
stone work there. It's all in the wrong time. It
shouldn't be that old. I mean we're talking like the
end of the last Ice Age. I mean, everyone knows
about Go Beckley Teppe probably is listening, but if you

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don't quickly mentioned it's nine thousand and six hundred BC.
Of the dates they've been getting for the first phase
of construction there, there's multiple stone circles and they're like oval, elliptical,
actually very specific duty geometrical shapes. Actually, so I've been
looking at and they're not just rough hewn stones in

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a kind of circle. They're beauti fully cut and created
T shaped pillars, often with multiple three D relief carvings
all over them, some anthropomorphic with hands touching the navel,
arms coming down the side belts and things like this,
and some of the bedrock they're kind of carved into
at the base is carved flat from bedrocks, so they're

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like shaping the bedrock quite amazingly. And there's not too
much evidence that in Britain at the stone circles or
anything like that, to be honest with you, very rarely
if there is. And so yeah, that's outrageous. And plus
you've got like, I mean, what five of the stone
circles are being excavated. They now expect there to be
twenty three at the site, each nearly the size of Stonehenge.

(08:43):
One of them is one in the laid oar scan
or the sort of the GPR scan. They've done the
ground preditating radar map from twenty fourteen, which is bigger
than anything else there. And so that's and they've just
cleared away a load of trees literally when I was
there in May, and I go over there in March
and they saw them clearing the trees off, all the
olive trees which have caused all this controversy recently because

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the roots are damaging the stones and the ruins and everything,
and so you know, to see it all clear for
the first time. It's like, oh, you can clearly see
this is all being buried. You can see the kind
of rubble, you know, with now with the kind of earth,
the grass growing over it, and the tree roots kind
of being pulled out and things like this, and you
can see how much there is to excavate there now.

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It's an insane amount. And so I really hope they
crack into it. I mean, because my god. I mean,
if we think, you know, what we found so far
is groundbreaking, its history changing, but imagine that what less
than five percent has been uncovered, and just that alone
is rewriting history. And so we have to kind of
like you know, encourage them, pay them whatever bribe and

(09:52):
just get get digging there because this is this is it.
This is like the kind of mother load, and we
need to kind of find out what's there.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
When I fir and you remember this, but when I
first started covering Go Beckley Teppy back in twenty twelve,
twenty thirteen, most of our community hadn't heard about it
yet most of the world, and they should have, but
they hadn't. I think it was a deliberate ignoring, not

(10:21):
quite a cover up, but it was too sensational for
most archaeologists, anthropologists, historians to accept it presented too much
of rewriting history, and so I think it was just
deliberately ignored. But that being said, since then it has

(10:47):
definitely caught on. Everybody in our community knows about go
Beckley Teppy. But why do we still have this pushback?
We have officially rewritten the human history how we look
at it, and it proves that there's a lot more
to discover out there. Why what what's it going to

(11:09):
take to start rewriting books and rewriting history.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's a slow process, for sure. I mean, this is
this is the nature of it, I think, because you know,
you think about the institutional kind of history that's kind
of been taught about the origins of civilization, hunter gatherers
and how it all. It's all setting stones in the books,
in the in the curriculums and universities and things like this.
So it ain't going to change soon, I don't think.

(11:33):
And I think it's just, you know, that's why I
kind of like to be writing myself. People and Andrew Collins,
Graham Hancock, whoever, they're actually kind of telling it how
it is now. And I think that's really important. They
don't have any kind of institutions that are guiding them
or controlling them or anything like that. We can just
do what we want basically. I think that's really I
think that's a really important aspect of getting this information

(11:56):
out there. And that's why we're very on it, you know, myself,
andrew A. J Ainsworth as well. We're focused on like
presenting the latest research. We go there two or three
times a year to see what's happening. I mean, obviously
we've written about it, We've I've got a book coming
out with JJ next year or later this year hopefully,
and it's just it's just insane. But I think it's

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just it's you know, one example of how slow it
is to change things is the study of rko astronomy itself,
which was pretty much discovered one hundred years ago or more.
You know, people like going back to the old the
first and aquariums, Stonehenge and things like this, and that
took a while. It took to Alexander Tom was cracking

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the Stone Age Code in Britain and the sixties set,
early seventies, and then he got he was an academic
and he got ridiculed, and it took thirty years for
our ko astronomy to be accepted as a possible science.
And even today it's not addressed properly. It's still not
addressed accurately. Quebeculey Tepean Carahaan Teppe. They ignor nor archaeoastronomical

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discoveries and symbolism and clear alignments, you know, some that
we've discovered ourselves, and just to just say they don't exist.
They literally write it out of the history books, they
write it out of Wikipedia. They don't want anything to
do with archaeo astronomy or alignments. And so I think
that if you look at that as a kind of
like microcosm of the macrocosm of the problem of rewriting history,

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it's kind of where we're at. So it's going to
be the same with the rewriting of the history. And
even today it's like what you know, I keep up
with all what you know that the archaeologists are putting out,
all the anthropologists to people who are working at the site.
They take a long time to get their information out.
When it comes out is quite brilliant, most of it,
but they don't they don't include the archaeo astronomy, and

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they it feels like they're trying to make it kind
of a bit more bit too mundane when what we're
looking at is not mundane. This is like outrageous and
it shouldn't be here, you know, it shouldn't exist at
this time.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
It's an it's a non trivial subject. It's a huge subject,
if not the biggest, and yeah, yeah there. When you
look at so many ancient megalithic sites around the world,
you can more or less right. They always want to
put a religious bent on it or something, but you

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can more or less look at an archaeo a cosm
cosmological tie in with almost every site, and that goes
Look at Carahounge right in Armenia. If that isn't one
of the most classic examples of that was those are
alignment stones to look at the stars, right, and nobody

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wants to talk about that. Look at the star gate.
Puma Punku is a great example, and Tiyumanaku and and
of course go Beckley Tepe and even Stonehenge with its
obvious uh astronomy that's tied to it. It's it's still
pseudoscience and it's almost cultish.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, Yeah, I mean I think the
fact is is like, like you say that all these sites,
famous sites, most of the famous sites across the planet
now megal they are all of them pretty much are
associated with astronomy. They have alignments, they have symbolism, they
have something, and so why why do then, according to

(15:33):
the academics that Camerahan Tape go back to, that have
any at all. It's like it's like, what how can
this be? You know, where did that all miss it?

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Now?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I've been working on evidence before the time of Quebeculey
Tape now, finding astronomical alignments and the study of specific
turnings of the year going back into Paleolithic times. Now
it's not just about the what's called the pre Pottery Neolithic,
which is in that area of Turkey, is the era
of Kuebecay Tabbe and karrahan Tepe early Neolithic basically, and

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so why you know, why it doesn't it exist there
when clearly the symbolism you can see the symbolism on
the stones as well. So I don't know if it's
a political thing or it's a religious thing. They've got
to be careful how they tread because it's the kind
of hot area you know that they'll surpassed part of
the Middle East. It's almost going into the Middle East.
It's near the border of Syria and things like this.

(16:25):
So I think there's things like that that are considered
when promoting these sites. But for a long time though,
it's been referred to as the world's first temple by
Claus Schmidt, the original archaeologist, and he didn't he couldn't
find any specific alignments. He didn't really big up the
astronomy thing either, and the modern and the current archaeologists

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certainly don't. But archaeo astronomers have looked at that and
found stuff. I mean, we've found stuff I set was
just by chance by being there at the right place
at the right time, And so I think it needs
to be addressed because if they're not careful for the
alignments are going to be built over. They're building roofs
over everything that there's a roof of Gebecley tape they're
going to They've just started one at Karrahan Tape, which

(17:08):
is going up like pretty much now, and so that
could block these kind of things that you know, people
should be studying, but they're kind of suppressing it before
you can even get in there and study it. They
don't even let you in to have a look, you know,
right inside the middle of the circle and things like this.
So it's frustrating, and I think, you know, worldwide archaeo

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astronomy astronomically aligned sites, it's a thing and it kind
of should should be addressed at these kind of sites too.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
How safe is it to visit?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, Turkey's fine. Yeah, Southeast, that part is out, that
part of Turkey is fine at this current time. It's
all good. I mean we've never had any issues there
at all, actually never. I mean it's perfectly fine, perfectly.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
I mean it's so close to the border Assyria and
and everything that has been happening there in the last
fifteen years. That was always something that people had brought up,
and I thought, well, no, it's in Turkey, you know,
it's not in Syria. But yeah, so anybody can It's
a totally safe place.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
To go to, right, totally. Yeah. I mean, I mean
we go regularly, we take groups out there. I mean,
you know, JJ brings the kids out there. It's fine.
I mean, really it's fine. I mean, no one really
messes with Turkey it's like a super.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much pretty much. I would say that
that's that's a fair assessment. The before we get into
your recent discoveries, I want to bring up two points.
And I'm not bagging on anybody. I never do, It's
not my nature. But Zahi Hawass was just on Joe
Rogan and Joe pressed. I'm going to give Joe credit,

(18:54):
all right, Joe pressed Zahi, and but specifically when it
came to anything older than three thousand BC. Once again, Za,
he's just dismissing it. That doesn't matter. No, everything is
in Giza. You know, everything that matters is in Giza,

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and there's three thousand BC. There's nothing else to talk
about here. And I don't know if that is specific
on Zahi or is that still systematic throughout academia where
they still want to consider, you know, Mesopotamia in three
thousand BC and Giza as the start of everything. Is

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that still the environment out there or is that just
like a high Wass attitude.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
In in Egypt? For sure, I mean I think it's
a general you know, the official stance Zahi Hawas government
Fororusm and everything, that's the official stance that civilization beginning,
you know, the first phase of Egypt, Sumeria and places
like this, because it hasn't really been one hundred percent

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proven who the Quebecley TV people were anyway, so it's
put forward even by the archaeologis now that they're hunter gatherers.
And I've now come round to that. I think they
were hunter gatherers. Hunter gatherers are underestimated big time. And
we'll look, we'll talk a bit about that, you know,
hopefully today, and because some of the stuff they were
doing thousands of years before that, it's pretty impressive and

(20:32):
not many not many people really know about it. But yeah,
generally though, I mean I listened to the Zahi Huas
conversation Joe Rogan. I thought it was actually quite funny,
quite interesting. Just this cigar thing really got on. I
was that Cuban just like going for it, you know.
For the first half thought I thought that was Joe
Rogan having a blunt or joint behind him, but it wasn't.

(20:52):
It was him with the giant cigar. Thought that was
quite funny. But he actually he made some good points,
but he did I think he I don't know what
it is. I think he just forgot some stuff. Maybe
he just didn't remember a few details and that kind
of caught him out. I think things are so people really,
you know, get meticulous about what people say. On Joe Rogan,
you know, all you have to do.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
This is my He'll never listen to me. But I'll
say this to anybody out there, and especially people that
are getting into research. And if you ever are a
guest on any of these shows, just be honest. Then
you don't have to think about what you're saying. Just
be honest. You know. I think that Zahi tripped himself

(21:36):
up many times in that interview, and when you watch
the whole thing, Zahi lost himself a few times and
contradicted himself and that's not a good look, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And it's almost like you can imagine you know, the
amount of stuff he has to take on as well.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
And that's what I'm saying. I'm not bagging on him.
You can uh get through anything like that by just
being honest. That's all.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Just just be straight.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Up, you know, go Beckley Teppy exists, say it, that's off.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yes, It's almost like he denies it, doesn't he he
doesn't want to admit it. You know, he's like he
doesn't know what it is or something. I think the
sound of it's a bit weird to him, maybe as
well the way he pronounce it. But I mean he
was cool. He was asked about the Saraskans stuff under
the pyramids or the Cafes pyramids, and he kind of
dismissed it because other experts who didn't like the stuff,

(22:34):
you know, claimed it wasn't real. But you know, I
think that was that was a bit I personally, it
was a bit silly because I think there's more research
it's going to come to, Like, can we.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Talk about that for a second, can we I didn't
expect to go there. Let's just talk about it briefly,
because everybody is talking about it right now. What do
you what do you make of it?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I think it's compelling, really compelling. I mean, I was
fortunate I managed to get underneath the Giza play of
re lead with Andrew Andrew Collins. We went to the
cave of the the Tomb of the Birds and see
two cave that leads to the area of Cafe's pyramid
and it's probably the entrance into this discovery that has
actually been made. So we made a few videos about

(23:16):
it when it all kicked off in March, and we've
we've talked with Armando May and Filipo bond Beyondi as well,
and they're going to be coming to England to a
conference and they've got a lot up their sleeve. Basically,
I think, and a few other people who have kind
of been doing research backing them up, is that's going
to come to light as well. I think that I

(23:37):
think people are going to be blown away, and so
I think there's more to it than meet CI. And
I don't know if what they everything they've discovered is correct,
the big tubes going down with the steps and everything
like this massive thing of the I don't know if
that's all one hundred percent correct, but there's something going
on there. There's no way you come up with all
that repeated, repeated data sets, you know, over and over again,

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check it, you know, from every different possible angle. So
I think something is going to come out. But the
problem is is that you know, they've literally closed Cafra's
pyramid to the public. That usually it's open, you can
buy tickets to go into the Cafrese Pyramid, and just
recently they closed it indefinitely so hopefully that's going to change.
And so I think they're quite worried about people going

(24:21):
in there and trying to get under the ground there
or something, because just around the back of the pyramid,
and actually there's I think called Bell Zone's chamber as well,
and there's a couple of detective detected areas under the
ground they found on the corners, two of the corners,
so there are ways in underneath that area, and like
you can literally see them if you go and walk

(24:41):
around the pyramid, and so so I can imagine they're
freaking out and worry people are going to go in
there and get lost and this, that and the other.
But I think they need to set the ball by
the horns and actually go there and do some GPR,
do some ground penetrating around out of themselves. We're talking
about the Egyptian authorities, just to prove it one way
or another, because otherwise it's all going to be here.

(25:02):
So until someone gets in there and does it officially,
or someone accidentally finds a route in there, you know,
an independent researcher or something like that. So I think
people have got to keep an open mind with this,
don't don't dismiss it and let's just see where the data,
where the research goes with it.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
I think I wanted to. I want it to be
something you know, we all do, we all do. What
do you know about the SARS technology? How deep can
it really go?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
My limited understanding of it, I'm not a scientist in
that respect, but my limited understanding of it is that
they're using satellite data, but it doesn't go that deep.
But what they do is they I think they combine
it with some acoustic or sounding technology so they can
actually send using signals going underneath the keys plateau to
get to an extra depth. And then that's that's basic stuff.

(25:53):
That's basically a lot of gprled us. I think it's
similar in some ways, and so I think that's it.
They combining two or three different technologies into one, and
they've kind of patented it, that's the thing. And so
they're not keen they're not they're not keen on giving
it away to like other kind of scientists. They want
to kind of, you know, manage it themselves because they've

(26:14):
discovered they've worked it out themselves very brilliantly and so
honestly that the technical side of it speak to Filipo
beyonda here's the guy right and he's he's out there.
You can see you know, you can see his videos.
He speaks fairly good English. You can see his stuff.
He's speaking at some conferences this summer as well, in

(26:35):
America and other places, and in England our conference, and
so and and and quite a lot of scientists are
now going, oh, actually that should work. And they I
mean they've tested lots of other places. They haven't really
published about that it works out. You know, they did
the a cyrus shaft, got results perfectly with that, but
I think they've done a lot more, but it's not

(26:56):
mentioned it because they want to kind of pace the
kind of they sets coming out slowly, just to kind
of build their case. So yeah, I think it's compelling.
And if it is for real, if it is one
hundred percent for real, this is mind blank imagine what
you can do with that, you know, in other parts
of the world when.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
You've got well, it would certainly change it would certainly
change things too. We would really have to look at
one of the things and then we'll get I want
to you're here to talk about go backle Deputy tonight
with me, is that uh it the whole idea of

(27:36):
nomadic tribes, you know, wearing animal skins at you know,
three thousand BC, thirty five hundred BC, wandering out of
the desert and then a couple of weeks later leveling off,
you know, a limestone hilltop and building pyramids. That doesn't
add up. There's just something funky that way too advanced

(28:02):
engineering wise, no matter how much credit you want to
give to the civilizations back then, but now you want
to go two kilometers deep, Well that that that that
who that really changes things, doesn't it? And it would
definitely alter the dating. That wasn't anything that was done
in three thousand BC. It was something that was built

(28:25):
in mass, in large scale, over great lengths of time, right.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah. I mean you look at you look at the
earliest stuff on the Giza plateau. They're they're basically cutting
into bedrock. They're shaping things like you have, you know,
even the even the kind of underground chambers or subterranean chamber.
I mean this is all carved out of bedrock. So
they were working the bedrock like they were at quebecley

(28:50):
Tepe and Carahan Tepe in a similar manner and I'm
pretty convinced before any pyramids were put up there there
was stuff going on all over the Giza Plata. And
I mean look at the Sphinx. I mean look at
all the dating associated with that, and so, you know,
I think that they hadn't they could They could they
realized after a while, after thousands of years of working

(29:11):
the bedrock and building underground, because I mean there's so
much underground there as well that hasn't really been addressed,
and stuff that is well known like the a Cyrus shaft,
the subterranean chambers and things like this already. But I
think there's there has to be a connection between you
Beckley Teppy people and this people. But there's traditions that
linked them together. There's Andrew and even Klaus Schmidt found

(29:35):
evidence of the Hellwan Point, which is something found in
Egypt that goes back ten ten or eleven thousand years
found in right Nigga, Beckley Teppe at cycled Gim and
Harley where Earth a man was found in shannel Earth,
and so you have these direct connections. So I think
there could be very ancient working the bedrock on the
Giza Plateau just by link, you know, realizing They were

(29:59):
doing that in southeast Turkey and a few other places
at a very early day. Even in Israel as well,
Jordan and places like the Tufians were doing it. There
were hunter gatherers, but they were also settling. They were
also very advanced. They were using geometry, they were starting
to grow food and things like this. So you know,
there are there are connections, and I think that that

(30:19):
could It may take a long time to prove, but
they're going to find artifacts, They're going to find kind
of evidence that pushes the dates back underneath the Giza
player of my opinion.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, I I have spent enough time, not as much
time as you, but I've spent enough time at Geza
to know to see it's my own eyes. When you
go around Geza away from the pyramids, you can see
what was going on below the pyramids, and some of

(30:49):
that stuff is really, really, really old. It doesn't look fresh,
if you know what I mean. There's something. And then
so when you when you back away from the Great
Pyramid and then you imagine the subterranean chamber and everything
that is going on underneath the plateau, I think there's

(31:10):
a lot there. I I really do. I feel in
my opinion, it looks like I'm pushing stuff back tens
of thousands of years here. Everybody in my own opinion
that the Pyramids were built on top of an existing site.
That's it. I don't know. The stuff that's around it

(31:33):
is just too old. It looks old at least.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean you look at the
look at the kind of mortuary temples which are next
to the kind of pyramids. They're massive, you know, one
hundred ton blocks, heavily weathered, more so than the Sphinx.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
It makes you wonder. It makes you wonder, even like
the Sphinx Temple and the Valley Temple down at the
bottom there near the Sphinx, they're like heavily weathered than
they're cased in like later what it appears granite and
so you can yeah, you can see that. I mean,
it's not like you can't see it.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
You know right there, it's right there. And it's funny.
You bring up a really good point when you're down
in the Springs Temple and then you look beyond that
those blocks. I mean we talk about other stuff, you
know at Geeze, look at the size of those things, man,
I mean they're fifty feet wide, you know, six seven

(32:28):
feet thick, ginormous, but they're rounded in weathered.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Because even even at the cafe's pyramid, where all the
underground stuff is supposedly be is, there's like what's happened there,
which is because it's on a slope, so basically the
front of it towards east, going down towards us, that
side of it, they've had to build up, you know,
and they built up, and they put massive slabs to
kind of build up like levels, like layers to kind

(32:54):
of flatten out of them. Behind the pyramid, they a
third quarter of the pyramid. The corner there is actually
bedrock shaped to look like a pyramid, and then they
put blocks on top of it to continue building it
because of the slow and there's a cliff behind it.
Bizarre and so but the blocks at the front on
the east side, some of them are one hundred and
eighty tons.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
I took so many pictures of those. I was so
blown away. And you know, Cafre gets ignored and I
still don't understand why. But nobody really gets back there.
Security won't let you, but you can if you do
the right things. But there is so much going on

(33:39):
back there and including you know what, mencare Mencary is fascinating, man,
and everything that's built around McCary. Just if you just
open your eyes and take a look around. It's really
weird how it's ignored. All the attention is on the
Great Pyramid. I understand why, you know, I do. But

(34:00):
there's a lot going on at Giza, man, there is
a whole lot there for sure. Have you have you
seen the new movie I'm gonna interrupt, The Fountain of Youth. No, okay,
watch it, watch it, watch it? Okay, spoiler alert, Okay,
spoiler alert. The Fountain of Youth is at Giza. Okay,

(34:25):
all right, all right, so okay, okay, So spoiler alert.
And then this is what they do, and it's really
cool for people like you and I that the Fountain
of Youth is under the Great Pyramid. Right, So that's
what they say, and so that's they're heading to get
I'm like, oh, all right, let's go. This is cool.

(34:50):
So the movie came out about three weeks ago. Check
all right, okay, So listen. So they're driving, they got
their convoy, they're driving up to Giza, and they pull
up to the wrong pyramid. They pull up to Mencare. Yeah,
so the whole movie is built around the Great Pyramid

(35:12):
and then they pull up to Mencare and in a
weird way, I was happy about that. So the movie. Now,
I'm not going to give anything else away, but yeah,
they go, they go under Mancare and and this movie
was made way before this Sars. You know, this movie
has been in production for years. But what a weird coincidence, right,

(35:38):
So check it out. Check out The Fountain of Youth.
Worth it?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, for sure, it's worth it.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
It's worth it. Okay, So go back with Tepee. As
we're talking about the ages of things, and you know
twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, twenty five enclosures, we've
got five or six that and so forth. Are the
are the enclosures that are yet to be discovered? Are

(36:04):
those newer, I should say, dugout? Are those newer dating?
Or are those older? So I'm confused when it comes
to go Beckley Teppy. It seems like what has been
discovered should be the newest and the oldest is underneath it.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to turn
out to be definitely the same age, possibly older. I
mean I think they found some dating already from the
kind of northwest area, because the southeast area is the
main area of excavation, were a little bit in the
northwest and they found dates that go back to the
very earliest dates to nine thousand, six hundred nine thousand,

(36:45):
eight hundred BC. Before Klaus Schmidt died, he admitted that
they could find dates going into the two fient era
fourteen thousand years old. He was suggesting, so, yeah, so
who knows. I mean, literally, we don't know until they
get down there and they get something to date, you know.
So we're kind of clutching et straws here. But earlier

(37:07):
sites have been found in the area. There's Cycle Check Mactepe.
It's only like ten miles away, about fifteen miles away.
Maybe it's near another cycle, say Birch and mendic Tepe
as well, and that is at least five hundred years
earlier than Kbeckley Tempe. No big tea pillars there, but
they were shaping the bedrock into these geometries and like

(37:27):
there are some kind of largish stones there as well.
But there's much earlier sites also up near the Tigris
River as well, which go back a thousand years before
quebecley Tepe, and so quebecley Teppy wasn't the first, but
nothing quite like it had come before it. It's just
this outrageous, profound site. But again we must remember that

(37:52):
they're excavating multiple sites and some of them are bigger
than go Beckley Tepe. Some of them haven't even been
starting an excavation yet, called a yan Lahoyac, which is
bigger than Gebecley Tepe. The Carahan Teppe is turning out
to be bigger than quebecley Teppe, you know, and things
like this, and so you know, Quebec end up just
being one of many sites like that. And this is

(38:14):
why it's so important, because if one site and only
five percent of it is causing this much excitement, imagine
what it's going to be like in ten years time
when hoload More gets excavated.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
What do you uh, let's just stay with go Beeckley
Teppe for the moment. When you look at the three
D relief and of course the tea pillars themselves and
the quarring. If we look at the Orthodox dating of
the ages and the Bronze Age being between three thousand

(38:47):
BC and twenty five hundred BC. Right, Okay, what kind
of tools are doing the carving? Or did is there?
Would you? Would you suggest that they had copper chisels? Hugh? Oh,

(39:10):
Hugh froze. Hugh, you're frozen. He doesn't look frozen, but
he is. Hugh, you are frozen. If you can hear me,
I don't know if you can hear me. Okay, let
me go over to we have a private chat. Let's see.

(39:30):
Uh No, just lost, Hugh. What are you gonna do?
I asked the most key crucial question of the night,
Hugh is frozen? Hugh, come back to me, Hugh, come
back to me. And the reason why I bring that up?

(39:53):
When as we wait for Hugh to come back, and
I'll go ahead and watch the what do you guys
think of that? Do you think it's possible that there
were copper chisels or something else used. I don't see

(40:14):
stone tools or chicken bones or whatever carving out. Okay,
we got Hu back, We got Hu back. Okay, Hugh
are you there.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Hopefully?

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Okay? Oh, so did you get my question?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I missed it, got behalf of it. So my internet
just cut out for a moment. As that occasionally that's fine.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
That's fine. The question is this, when you look at
the coreing and the precise nature of the tea pillars,
and of course the three D relief carvings that are there,
is it possible that they could have had copper chisels?
Seven thousand years before the Bronze Age, there.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Was copper found at some sites in the region, at
a place called Cheannu, which dates to eight thousand, five
hundred BC, which further north near the town or city
of Deerbeca near the Tigris River. There's also now evidence
of heated copper, which is interesting going back to almost
those dates and now this brand new research. I haven't

(41:22):
seen all the data on it yet, but I think
I don't think so. I don't think they were using
copper for that purpose. I think they were kind of
shaping it for various things. But I think they were
using different types of stone like Bassu. They were using
flint and obsidian for the finestone work. Because the type
of limestone they were carving is carvable, but you have

(41:45):
to be real artisan to do it. And this is
where you have to question where they're how they developed
these techniques, and where that all came from, because it's
almost like, as a lot of people have said that,
You've said it before, it's like they've come out of nowhere.
It's outrageous, high technology quality stone work, which you know,
where on Earth did that come from? Where's the kind

(42:07):
of build up to that, Where's the evidence in the
stone work of that? So that's what's so compelling. But
I think they but there is now evidence of innovations
that really shouldn't have been around then, and I think
copper used the use of metal or copper might turn
out to be one of them.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
The Uh okay, so let's let's let's stay here to
do what they have done, uh, which includes earth Man.
Earth Man is something that still blows my mind. But
all of this evidence is stacking up earth Man as
part of that. And now carahnd Teppy and I was

(42:46):
looking at the puzzle pieces of the te pillars that
are being glued together at Karra hand Teppy, That's that's
just mind blowing. And I want to circle back to that.
I want you to address that, because you just got
back from there that I don't think they invented quarrying.

(43:08):
I don't believe that they invented shaping Stone at this
period in history. I think they were taught That's my take.
Am I far off of the mark? Do you think
another civilization taught them how to do these things?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
It feels like it. Yeah, I mean this is what, yes,
what a few people have been saying. I kind of
I'm kind of intrigued by that because I mean, but
then who were they? Where's the evidence of them? As well?
This is this is where the big questions come in.
I think that's what Graham Hancock has kind of been
pointing out in his Ancient Apocalypse and some previous books

(43:42):
of his, where there seems to be a completely lost
civilization that still hasn't been really found. You know, the
dreading a word Atlantis is part of that, part of
the whole mythos. But you know, you look at the
I find that you've got to look at these old texts,
these old myths, these old legends of the area, and
you find stories or you know, you've talked about this before.

(44:03):
The Watchers, the annarchy, the kind of biblical kind of
you know, people who were like kind of highly advanced
people back at the time, and the Watches were described
as such having these skills, these techniques, they could work
with stone, they were astronomers, they were into medicine, they
could work with metal, they could navigate surveying things like this,

(44:28):
and even produced metal and weapons and similar things like this.
So we have to question were they talking about that
era back then? And just as the evidence has kind
of just been wiped from the face of the earth,
you know, in the Great Flood or whatever. But if
you go back, if you carefully pace back and look

(44:49):
at the excavations that have taken place in the region,
even going into Europe as well, and further south into
the Middle East and even up into the Russian Steps
and things like this, you can find three D relief
carvings in some Paleolithic and Mesolithic caves. You know, literally
kind of artifacts that I found. You've got like three

(45:09):
D reliefs of like the fish in a cave in France,
for instance, which actually really is related to the winter
solstice there. And so you can find little pieces of
evidence that kind of back this up. But to then
suddenly come out with beckley Tepe, he's like, oh, you know,

(45:30):
and the fact that the style spec of quebecley Tepe
was then used almost identically for fifteen hundred years. It's
like God, it's almost like a genius just turned up
and said, Hey, I'm going to do this. You know,
I'm a genius. I can do this. Here you go
have some of that. And I think it feels like that.

(45:51):
It feels like there was like a group of genius
level people who either took way too many mushrooms and
just came up with the idea he felt swoop or
you know, it's a genuine like kind of you know,
coming together of different cultures and like the ad mixture
kind of like just this inspiration just kicked off and
the weather improved, the ice age was over, cataclysms had

(46:14):
to stop. They needed to kind of record. I believe
they needed to put everything they knew into one place
or several places in the same region, and this was
where they chose, because I don't think these sites it's
just artwork. There's knowledge in there. There's like kind of information.
There's a history, there's memory of their cultures, of their teachings,

(46:37):
there's astronomy, there's everything else in there that you can
think of. And I think this is what it's all about,
and we just haven't quite decoded it yet. We're still
trying to work it out because we just we've got
scraps at the moment, five percent of Quebec Lutepe. For
God's sake, you know, we're working on scraps. We need
the rest of it excavated to kind of decode the
whole thing. I think this is a really important aspect

(46:58):
that we need to kind of of, you know, address this,
because we're not going to know really who built it
unless more of it's excavated. It's as simple as that.
We don't have enough data, so we need more research.
But I agree with you in many ways, you know,
but they've got to excavate more just to find out,
you know, exactly who these people were. Probably be able

(47:18):
to work it out. There could be some crazy stuff
still buried there. We just don't know.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah. I haven't been there yet, but I'm on my
way and I cannot wait. Yeah, all these different sites
that I go to, I'll be in Peru, you know,
in ten days. I cannot wait to get back there.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
It's so amazing that I've done so much research and
interviewed people like yourself over the years, and then I
finally get to go to these sites, and then I
have a different perspective on it. I know that's going
to happen with me at Go Beckley Teppy. And one
of the things that has changed over the years is

(48:00):
the cosmology part of Go Beckley Teppe. Because when I
first started talking to researchers about it, they were struggling
with an astronomical component to Go Beckley Teppy. Now that
has changed. How are you settling down with that? And

(48:25):
also one last question that I want you to address
with this, are the alignments changing in the different enclosures?
Are the degrees are they moving? You know, because if
you're building it over time and you're aligning it to something,
that position would change, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
If it stars? Yeah, yeah, for sure if it stars.
And I think this is what Andrew Collins proposed with
his slightly different orientations of the enclosures. He believes they
were looking to the non part of the sky through
the portholestones and they would see dan Ebb, the brightest
start of sigmas setting and rising at various parts of

(49:10):
the sky, and it slightly changes over time. Whereas there's
also another researcher in archaeo astronoma from a university. I
think in Milan or somewhere in Italy Gigglo Magley, and
he states that they were actually looking to the south
towards Sirius possibly Oryan and Taurus pladies and things like this. However,

(49:35):
the best solution for this is to incorporate it all
and this is what JJ Ainsworth has done, who's my partner,
my co author, my future co author, and she has
worked out that all of this can be incorporated if
you're looking at something called the Golden Gate of the ecliptic,
where it's the movement of you know, the kind of
the arch of the sky going from the north to

(49:56):
the south where the sun and the moon and other
things planets moved through. And actually and she found the
symbolism matches that. So they're both right, you know, Magley's right,
Collins is right. JJ's right, and I think that's where
it's all at. And even Martin Sweatman has now done
a whole calendrical kind of analysis and zodiac analysis as
well as well, and all of it kind of is

(50:20):
starting to fit together. And remember only five percent of
the site is being worked on to uncover all this,
so imagine what else is going to be found? To
back up all these theories. Now I've also I think
I found a solstice alignment in Gebecley type in Enclosure D,
where this new discovery of this specific stone placed in

(50:42):
a wall in between these te pillars appears to mark
the winter solstice alignment. The reason we that drew my attention,
obviously is because at Carahan tebe mine a JJ's discovery
of the very clear winter solstice alignment phenomena there. And
so I'm starting now to look not just at the
stars but as solstices. That's the kind of key. And

(51:03):
you're going to be in Peru for the Inti Ramy,
which is their winter solstice by the way, and so
that is kind of cool, and I'll get more and
more fascinated and trying to understand the solstice. And I
think this is what is going to be found more
and more at these sites, especially because we've now possibly
found it at Quebecley Tappe definitely found it at Carahan Tape.

(51:24):
But there's also another enclosure at Quebeculey Tape called Enclosure F.
Now this is basically back towards the west. It's a
later enclosure. It's a square kind of weirdly shaped enclosure.
It's not got a regular kind of oval or elliptical shape,
but that the alignment of that is clearly to the
summer solstice sunrise or the winter solstice sunset, which is

(51:47):
the same orientation, and that is intriguing. That's something that
Andrew spotted first many years ago. Now the enclosure d
alignment is really intriguing now, and there's other people who
be doing research claiming that they were studying the moon,
the different planets, everything else. And I think this is
what frustrates me about why isn't this addressed more academically

(52:09):
as well. Why isn't this kind of looked at rather
than just claiming the ordered roof so therefore they didn't
look at the sky, which is a kind of backwards
way of thinking. But we must remember that these aren't
the earliest solstice alignments, that there were ones even older
than this. These are the oldest ones built with the
metalithic site. But there are other elements of this going

(52:30):
further back and are contemporary with this. We have a
summer solstice sunset alignment Jericho in the Levant in Palestine basically,
and this dates back to eighty five hundred BC, a
little bit later than Quebeculey and Carahan Tepe. We also
have athlete Yam, which is the site that's actually under
the water off the coast of israel Wich, dates back

(52:51):
to abound seven thousand and seven and a half thousand BC.
That's aligned to the summer solstice sunrise. And so we're
finding contemporary sites with similar alignments and built within their settlements.
I think that's the key. You know, they're not going
out to a random spot in a field and place
in a couple of stones. They're building into their sites,

(53:13):
their kind of main temple sites, possibly where they ended
up living as well. And so I think that's really important.
And I think that addresses many questions as to where
they studying the sun of the moon and the stars,
and the answer clearly is yes.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Well, and if you look at and I noticed this
very very early on with go Beckley Teppe, and I
don't know why it's not addressed, or maybe I'm just
not smart enough to understand, but when I look at
the alignment of any of the central pillars, not the outside,
but the central pillars, they're all just irt a little

(53:53):
bit off. They're not going directly north they're not north south.
They are all to the left of twelve o'clock, you
know what I mean, and some more than others. But
that's got to mean something. And I just don't hear
people talk about this enough unless it's just not as
important as I think it is. But I see it.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah, I agree, and I think this is the thing.
This is where JJ's research, Andrew's research and Magley's research,
it all fits and it has to be at those
orientations for that all to work. And so that does
make sense, you know, if you're looking at it from
this astronomical perspective, because the archaeologists don't know why. I mean.
The one of the things that's been researched that I've

(54:36):
been working on this with, Howard Crowhurst, is a geometer
and astronomer from France who's looking at the Karnak megalis,
which also applied it to kubecley Tepe. He's found that
using modular geometry, which is the use of squares, double squares,
triple squares and so on, all perfectly north south and
the angles between the diagonals and things like this, if

(54:58):
you place them in a certain manner quite naturally over
qebecley Tepe. It proves they understood north, south, east, and
west even though things appeared to be at an angle.
And so that is interesting. So if they had that,
they said clearly they had. They knew north and they
knew south, they must have done. And so because they
were laying things out on a very geometrical, mathematical configuration,

(55:23):
So that is intriguing because a lot of people thought
the first time north and south was incorporated into sites
was at the Great Pyramid in Egypt, but actually no,
it seems like it was happening atqebecley Tepe.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
It's not coincidence, man, It's simply not. And for you,
as we head towards a break here, you've stacked up
a lot of recent discoveries, personal discoveries yourself. Let's start
going through some of those. What have you found? And

(55:54):
and for you, I mean there's always something that is
just like right for you. Let's start there.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Well, the Cara is the big one, the winter solstice alignment,
where this kind of this will kind of lead on
to the other stuff we can discuss after the break.
But this is like the kind of thing JJ and
I witnessed in December the twenty twenty twenty one. The
light kind of shone through this porthole stone and illuminated
the big stone head inside structure ab at Cararahante with

(56:25):
all the upright pillars in it, you know the one
and that is precision alignments. I mean that is like,
oh my god. I mean, you can't get any you can't.
There's no clear indicator of a winter solstice than that
anywhere on the planet. And it's the oldest as well.
On top of that, and you know, even the one
at Stonehenge is just coming over the top of a

(56:46):
big block and a kind of rough area getting illuminated
and aligne this huge avenue. It's not it's not like
a slither of light an inch thick that's marking it.
And so that's what's so impressive about that. There are
other places that have that. I mean, we look at
like New Grange, for instance, as a winter solstice alignment.

(57:06):
Where was it a few minutes after sunrise? Four minutes
after sunrise and it lasts for seventeen minutes. This tiny
light box like this big as a light the sunrise
comes through it and creates this shard of light at
the back of the chambers like fifty feet the back.
It moves across just for seventeen minutes along these different

(57:27):
carvings and then stops. That's it gone. It's one time
a year. It happens over a few days because it
stands still. That's what solstice means. The sun rise in
the same place appears to rise in the same place
for two or three days, maybe four days and in
some cases and so you get it for a few
mornings on the run, but not any other time of year.

(57:48):
So that's intriguing. We have that Chaco Canyon. We have
the Great Spiral where the edges of it get illuminated.
There's two shards of light come through these kind of
big blocks that are being placed over and illuminated the
edges of it. I think on the summer solstice and
on the winter solstice, it's one shard of light did
through the middle, and so it's like a kind of marker,

(58:10):
a light marker. And I think this is what this
was first really properly developed, a carahan tepe. But as
we're going to discuss after the break the evident, the
thing I want to share with people is is my
fascination I've become obsessed by the solstice. So we've got
it coming up. You know, in a few weeks, we're
going to celebrate it. I'm going to be at the

(58:30):
Cosmic Summit. I'm not going to be at Stonehenge for once,
which is weird. But I'm going to be at the
Cosmic Summit, and I'm going to be sharing all this
with them there as well, because I think it's really
important that people understand. Mean, look look at what you're doing.
You're going to the Inti Raimi Festival in Peru. I
mean it's a massive celebration last for days, that's for
a week.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
I cannot wait.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
But why, though, why are they celebrating the solstice? I mean,
why is it so important? I think this is what
we're missing.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
They've been doing it. They've been doing it. I'm going
to Saxy Vuama, right, so they've been doing that gathering
for thousands of years on that hilltop. I can't I
cannot wait for I cannot wait for this. I cannot
wait for this.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
This is this is this is what I mean. It's
like Stonehenge is the same, it's been going on for
five thousand years now. We've got Carahan Teppe like eleven
thousand years or more, but there's evidence now of celebrating
the solstice going back between seventeen and forty thousand years.
This is what's so insane and it's got and that
is a whole hang on a sec.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Yeah back then, yes, yes, you know, but they.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Were and there's evidence for it now and it's abundant
as well. It's not just one or two examples, dozens
of examples.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
When I look at uh, when I look back, if
France and Spain are great for this in the kve art,
but and we found you know, we found handprints just
about on every continent. It's not just in Last Cow,

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It's not just in Spain, right, this thing and so
what okay, so anyway, but this is my take. The
comments that academia will say about this is you're not
giving Stone age Man enough credit. Okay, that's a cop out.

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That that right, there's a cop out. What they what
they are avoiding is what if there was something before?
That's what they don't. They don't they don't want to
go there. And I look at this and to look
at the unbelievable artwork that rivals any modern artists today. Okay,

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period and they didn't go to art school fifty thousand
years ago, right, they didn't go to art school, but
somebody was teaching something. Last cow was occupied for five
thousand years, five thousand, five thousand years. Man, how crazy

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is that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, I know, it's just it is incredible. It is
incredible when you start looking deeper into like you know,
what's going on and why people were studying the sky
is so early on. I mean, you know, there's remarkable
stuff that's being unearthed recently. I guarantee if they get

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into quebecuy Tepe, they're going to find some stuff that's
going to just back all this up. It's going to
answer a lot of questions. And for some reason they're hesitating.
They don't want to do it, and it's like, I think,
you know, we need to kind of harass them a
little bit or something.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
You would think at every university in the United States
would be funding expeditions there now that that would be
the most well funded. I mean, this is as exciting
as king touch tomb. Now, this is like, yeah, you know,
the biggest discovery so far. There's more to be discovered

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and there will always be other stuff, but up to
this point, it's the most exciting site on planet Earth.
Why isn't there, you know what I mean, every Penn State, Harvard, Yale,
Arizona State, Stamford, I can just go Purdue, whatever, pick

(01:02:40):
a university. They should all have teams there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Yeah, I agree, I mean luckily though, what is good
is that they're they're jumping in and they're basically uncovering
a whole bunch of other sizes. Karahan Teppe that going
for it. I mean, there's a lot we could talk
about about that shortly as well, but there's that they're
going for it. Is like twelve sites in total. There's
officially twelve, but there's going to be more. There's testically

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thirty eight. It was the latest kind of estimate I've got,
you know, definite sites. There's probably one hundred in total,
smaller ones as well, and so they are doing a
lot of them. I think seven or so under excavation now.
So it's happening. Then maybe they've kind of moved off
Quebec with the tepigs. They want to kind of secure it,
turn it into a tourist site. You know, they love
doing all that. They're doing that with Carahan Tape now.

(01:03:28):
But you know, it has to be done essentially to
protect them and to like preserve them and to monetize
them because of courst a lot, you know, funding these
excavations and all the people they got to pay, and
so yeah, thankfully a lot of other sites are getting uncovered.
So it is happening in some respects. I want to
see what's desperate, to see what's under that. Now they've

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cleared the trees away, you can see, Oh my god,
what on Earth is on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
The You know, when I look at we'll take our
break right here. But when I look at the images
of Go Beckley Teppee and I look at that orchard,
I'm like, what get that out of there? You know.
So finally, I mean it was big too. I mean yeah,
just go back and look. It was literally the size

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is with us. You know, Hugh listening. Uh. I was
in the other room getting coffee and listening to that
commercial and I never fixed it because I shot it

(01:09:08):
live with Brian Forrester a few six months ago when
I was down there. And but I say summer solstice
and it kills me every time I hear it. But
I can't recut it. You know, in this in the
Southern Hemisphere, it's the winter solstice, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
It is? Yeah, but it gets it's confusing because you
have some sites which are just north or south of
the equator, and then what'd you do? It becomes a
bit confusing. So I wouldn't worry about it too much.
I mean, I think you're correct the one. If you're
repeating it from America.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
It's like nails on a chalkboard. To me though, when
I hear it is like oh man, and Brian such
a gentleman. He should have corrected me, right then, Church
it's the winter solstice. I want to ask you, we're
going to stay on the solstice subject. I want to
ask you something. I don't do religion on this show, Okay,

(01:10:09):
I don't. I don't like to divide people. I like
doing the conspiracy of religion though. All right, December twenty first, right,
and the baby Jesus and Christmas. Is it the solstice
that they were referencing in the Bible?

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Definitely? Yeah, I mean, you think about it, Okay, this
is obviously written an article about this. It's kind of
tongue in cheek one about the relationship between test Teblo Winness,
solstices and Christmas, because if you think about it, this
is kind of people have written about this before. This
isn't my idea. There's as the sun continues on the

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solstice from about the twentieth, you know, sometimes maybe the
nineteenth or twentieth, for a few days up until about
the twenty fourth, the sun is rising in the same position,
the most southerly point on the horizon. It kind of
reaches that point and then it kind of starts to
turn back, coming back to the north along the north
to the walls of North along the horizon, but those
few days it's sort of stuck there. It stands still

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us what solstice means. On around the twenty fifth, the
sun starts moving again, comes back to life. This is
Christmas Day, This is the birth of Jesus. You know that.
So it's all a representation of that, clearly.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
You know, you think it's all metaphor. I don't want
to piss people off. Man, Just don't send me email
about this. I'm just saying it. It feels metaphor to me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Well, what you think about it. It's like that the
most famous or his potentially historical person in history is
one hundred percent related to the winter solstice, and so
he is emphasized the solstice. The whole religion is if
you think about it, and I think that's what's so
interesting about it. When and you look into other other myths,

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other stories going into Egypt and Persia and places like this,
they all have similar kind of stories relating to that,
relating to this, you know, being reborn or birth, birth
or the light coming forth. And this is actually relating
to something JJ and I have written about about the
fertility aspects of these sites and test Tebla like Karahan
Tepe especially because the winter solstice is often related to death, regeneration, rebirth.

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This is the kind of process of life at that
time of year where the sun kind of dies, it disappears,
and then it returns into the light and growth comes back.
And so this is like probably there's very strong evidence
of you know, native cultures having ceremonies at this time
and enacting out things at this time, this time of

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year to mark that, and like you can actually find
evidence of that. Were often like you find bones at
certain sites, You find fertility kind of effigies at certain sites.
They even found one in New Grange for instance, certainly
at Carahan Tepe. All the kind of in the pillar
shrine structure ab it's a bunch of fallacies basically, and
so you know, so there is this kind of whole

(01:13:19):
fertility element to it. And I think this also when
you start looking at the earliest solstices relating to the
Paleolithic caves, you find that as well, because it seems
like you know, there's no you know, some people have
often said the solstices, the equinoxes, the solely year is
all about agriculture. It's about marking the times to grow food.

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Certain turnings of the year. But they were working with
the solstice long before agriculture. Even Carahan Tape was before agriculture.
But the earlier sites which we're going to talk about,
go back tens of thousands of years. There's definitely no
agriculture there. But they were aligning things, and so it
would be this special moment where initiatesations and ceremonies and

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rites of passage took place because it was there. You know,
this was like you know, you imagine, you know, back
at that time, you've got no distractions. You just got
the sky and the kind of landscape to work with.
That's it. So it would have a profound influence on you.
So you try.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Can you imagine you're right about that when your movie theater,
your entertainment is the sky, that's it, that's your that's
your widescreen TV. And so you're there watching the sun
do its thing, and then one one day it stops,

(01:14:38):
and then the next day it's reversing direction. Man, can
you imagine, you know, and that we don't notice it today,
we don't even care, if you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
but back then that was like the deal. I can

(01:14:59):
only imagine what it meant to every culture on this
planet when they witnessed it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yes, so what I find fascinating as well, we just
to talk about the solstice. I mean, we're approaching it.
It has a massive effect on people. Everyone is part
of It's part of religion, whether they know it or not,
it's part of our culture. You're going you're celebrating it,
you know, whether you like it or not. When you
go to Peru, you're going to be doing that for
a week, you know, huge celebrations. Stonehenge goes wild on

(01:15:31):
the summer solstice and on the winter solstice. There's alignments
to both. Actually at Stonehenge. I mean, let's start there.
I mean, because Stonehenge, I mean you've got the classic
summer solstice alignment, which is to the northeast, and you've
got the whole avenue aligned to it. But there's also
winter solstice sunrise alignment, which is more obscure, but it
is there, discovered by Simon Banton and a couple of

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other people. There's also the winter solstice sunset. But we
have to remember, like the thing about Stonehenge, which a
lot of people don't know, is that it was occupied
from ten thousand years ago. There's a cycleed blick Mead
nearby this giant wooden pine. Post holes were found about

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fifty yards from the main where the mainstone circle would
then be built, date back to ten thousand years ago.
And what I find absolutely fascinating about this is this
part of the research I've been doing is if you
actually look in the landscape, they found what I called
perigra perrot sorry periglacial ridges, which are these natural geological features,

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and there's two of them and they mark exactly the
avenue the summer solstice sunrise, and they've been there tens
of thousands of it's supposed to be hundreds of thousands
of years and they're these natural kind of ridges that
mark the summer solstice sunrise or the winter sols of sunset,
and later the avenue was built over them. And what's
also interesting is that there used to be before Stoneheens

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was there. We're talking ten thousand years ago in Stonehenge
there was a natural knoll like a mound, and it
could have been built up and worked by people. And
at the other end of the perigracial strips or the
avenue was another mound called I think called Nuwell's mound
because he was the guy who discovered it. And so

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this is two mounds and these perigracial strips going down
or stripes going down, the kind of they marked each
one of marked the summer solstice and the witness solstice together,
and so that was there ten thousand years ago. So
you go, hang on a sec They were like measuring
the solstice ten thousand years ago at Stonehenge with these

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natural features, and the whole cyg got built around it,
you know, marking the same thing. And so that blows
my mind because it proves that the megalithics of Stonehengs
aren't necessarily what they were doing with the solstices that
came later developed around what was known about five thousand

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years before that. And so that blows my mind. And
that's just a tip of the iceberg my research is
getting into. This is all documented, this is all in
these academic papers. I found all the data on it,
and it's for real and it was definitely that age
they found that going back slightly older than ten thousand
years ago, and this is right in the heart of
what's called the Mesolithic in Britain, but it's also the

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pre Pottery Neolithic. If you're in Turkey, and I get
this real sense that these ideas were spreading around around
after the end of the Last ice Ation Quebeculey tape.
They they were coming up here, literally traveling up and
they could have they could have come here easily. They
could have walked here because Dog of Land joined.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
You read my mind, You read my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
We consider that if.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
We look at the population of the whole of the
United Kingdom back then, who was doing all of this, Well,
it could have been anybody from Europe and northern Europe.
They just walked. We see the English Channel today and

(01:19:08):
we don't make that connection, but that there was a
land bridge there that went back millions of years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Right, Yeah, this is like Dog only disappeared around eight
or so thousand years ago, that's right, And so before
that you could easily do it, you know. But even
if that, even if that wasn't you know, if that wasn't,
there's evidence of seafaring going back to twelve thousand years
ago between Turkey and Cyprus, clear evidence of it. It's

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all come out, it's all in. This is documented. This
is academic research, and so seafaring was taking place with
large groups of people and so there's that to consider
as well. When we were people trying to dismiss diffusionism
and things like this. That is proven beyond the doubt now.
But I mean, so that's happening in Britain, right, So
we've got all that going on, and even up in Scotland.

(01:19:58):
As you're going to Scotland next year, there's a cycle
warren Field near Aberdeen's in Aberdeenshire. It's in the whole
area where we have all the stone circles, but there's
a site there which is also ten thousand years oh,
called warren Field. This was researched by Professor Vince Gafni
came and spoke at our conference and they found this
series again of post holes, that this curving series of

(01:20:21):
post holes which marked the phases of the moon. But
the central part of it aligned to the winter solstice
sunrise precisely ten thousand in Scotland, likely northeast of Scotland.
And so what is going on now? I mean then
it should have been full of ice, right, you know what,
you know, it's so far north, but actually there's a

(01:20:42):
whole area around Aberdeenshire which was free of ice earlier
than the rest of Scotland. So again we're you know,
if you're trying to survey the earth, you're trying to
kind of measure the planet in ancient times, you need
to get as far north as possible and as far
south as possible. And so we had this opportunity when
they probably were building the kind of measuring the stuff

(01:21:04):
at stone Its ten thousand years ago. They probably went
as far north as they possibly could before they hit
the ice sheets the ice cliffs, and this is where
they got to and they were able to make these calculations.
So that is impressive firstly because of the distances they
were traveling to do this, and they were leaving it there,
marking it and making it, you know, making it a
solid wood and you know in the landscape. I think

(01:21:26):
it's really intriguing. Plus they had the knowledge to do it.
So where did that come from? And that was definitely
happening in tess Tepula regions. We know that because of
the Carahan Tepe alignments, because of the data that's coming
out of Quebecay Tepe and other such things. But this
is all you know, after Quebecley Teppe and Carahan Teppe
and things like this but it's the stuff before it

(01:21:49):
which is really blowing my mind, because this is actually
first introduced to me by Professor Martin Sweatman, who've done
some brilliant work on believing, you know, working on a
calendar at Uebeculey Tempe alic Carahan Tepe, and also on
the fact that the symbolism at quebecley Teppe which could
indicate they had like astronomical signs marked at the site.

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And he found the same thing in Lascal Cave as well,
and he believed there's connections between the two. But he
took that step further and he pointed out in his
book there was Lascaux alliance to the summer solstice sunset.
And I thought that I went ping, like, what how
can that be? And so I looked into it and
I couldn't quite believe because that was at the tip

(01:22:33):
of the iceberg.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
What we found was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
That there were some French researchers, I mean we're talking
going back into the seventies and eighties, here a whole
bunch of French researchers as people from Germany doing this
and they realized that on the summer solstice in Lascal,
the sunrise would come through the entrance which appeared to
be aligned to the summer solstice sunset alignement, and at

(01:22:57):
that time of year penetrate into the cave and illuminate
one of the paintings at the back of it almost perfectly,
and it's like boom, hang on a sec what is
going on here? So over a seven year period there
was a French researcher called waalokiweez I think is how

(01:23:17):
you pronounce her name. She started one hundred and thirty
caves in the whole French Dordouayan region and a few
other places, and found that one hundred and twenty two
of them aligned to either the solstices or the equinoxes,
but most of them were aligned to the winter solstice,
which really got me, or the summer solstice, the sunset

(01:23:40):
as well, but mainly the winter solstice. And so how
could this be? So what they were doing was, if
you you know, they were finding that they were choosing
caves which they must have known were aligned to what
they wanted it to be aligned to before they chose
that cave. So they were searching out caves that they
knew were alian to what they wanted it to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Be you're suggesting high intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Very high intelligence, very high talking. They must have had
an understanding of this before they did this. Some of
these caves go back to thirty seven thousand years right,
this is the thing, and like Lascal knew, I mean,
that's like seventeen thousand years ago. That's a new cave
in relation to the others, like we have the Abury
castanet rockshell.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
I was gonna say, what about Castillo and some of
the Spanish stuff were those souls? They think?

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Now some of the Spanish caves now they researched mainly
in France, but I believe some of the Spanish caves
they've even found stuff going into Russia, which may have
also had the similar ideas. So and there's also the
famous cave that has the kind of fish carving on it.
I forget the name of the cave exactly, and that
goes back twenty five thousand years ago. And that one

(01:24:54):
is a lying to the witness solstice sunrise. And remember
some of these caves, not all of but some of them,
they were like it's like an almost like a natural entrance.
They could have even carved it a bit, but there's
natural entrance that they were choosing these alignments. They were
often illuminating either three D relief carvings they've carved our
rock or paintings. So firstly, it kind of indicates that

(01:25:18):
probably on the solstice they were probably painting them because
it was like the spiritual moment and they would do
it and they'd be in this sort of old state.
But also then later there'd be ceremonies and initiations.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Well they could watch, they could watch for the illumination
on that day.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, and it would probably be the elite
few who would go in there. It would be like
the Shamans. It would be like the people who had
this knowledge, and it would be like magic to all
the other people. You know, how could it possibly be?
You know, how could this? How could you know this
was going to happen? And so I think that that's
an element to it. This is this is where these
brilliant French research. I mean I had to translate most

(01:25:58):
of this because it wasn't an English it where not
many people know about it. There's tons of data's done
on it. I'm going to be going out there in
August with actually with my family. We're going to go
and look at some of these caves. I want to
check some of the alignments because I think there's something
profound going on here. Because you have the earlier work
of Alexander Marshak from the early seventies, who did a

(01:26:20):
whole ton of research on artifacts found in caves, mainly
bone artifacts that had telemarks marking out different calendrical times
and periods very carefully in the moon mainly, but also
the sun sometimes the planets, and other researchers were noting
that in Lascal and some of the other caves they
were clearly kind of astrological representations like the bull for Taurus,

(01:26:47):
like you know, like a kind of hunter figure for
Oriyan and things like this, and so you know, I've
got to createit. My sweatman with some of this, because
he's the he kind of really pushed that and connected
it with ebecay Teppe as well. But the solstice thing
really gets me because it gives me an understanding of
now what was going on in Carahan Tepe because it
wasn't something they invented there. It was a legacy that

(01:27:10):
came from these Paleolithic hunter gatherers, and loads are the
ideas that we take for granted, at in the test
table of sites, we can now see them being developed
in these caves. And this is why we can't underestimate
these people, these people from Europe who were doing this.
These were very smart, very interesting people. I mean, people

(01:27:31):
like you and me in the same sized brains, very
probably great, great sense of humor. You know, I had
a lot of fun and everything else. But I guarantee
that they were kind of inspired individuals.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
You know, they must have had they must have had
a language, and they must they had the ability to
tell the story, because that's what's depicted on the walls.
That's storytelling. And I don't I have a hard time

(01:28:06):
just thinking that they did all of this by grunting
and laughing. Do you understand what I'm saying. They had
they had to have a language.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree, And I think they
probably did. I mean, I think, you know, we do,
you know they probably did. I mean, they're just as
smart as us. I think I think we have to
kind of, you know, consider that that, but they're just
as smart as us.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Can I I'm gonna jump in before I forget this
thought that just popped in my head. I recently had
because I'm talking to you from the UK. All right.
I had Hayley Ramsey on the show last month, and
she's smart. She's smart, she is, she's just smart. And

(01:28:49):
she managed to blow my mind. She taught me something.
She teaches me a lot. Faribee boats, Holy crap, And
I didn't I didn't know. Now I've done a lot
of research into them since then. But two thousand BC

(01:29:10):
right right there in the UK. Now, there's that part.
But the construction of them are the same, I'm saying,
the same as Egypt. That's that's that's kind of that's
funky to me. And so when you talk about the

(01:29:32):
reason why I thought about this, Hugh, as you were
talking about Northern Europe or other cultures coming over to
the UK, and then the question of boats or how
did they get there? And then the Farrabee boats pop
up and they're frigging from the Mediterranean. That's the design.
What do you make of the Farrabee boats? And is

(01:29:54):
this too far out to consider or is it exactly
what we think it is?

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Oh god, yeah, I mean there are definitely Egyptians in Britain.
I mean, I mean we've written about that actually in
a mine of Jim's book on the Giants of Stonehenge
in Britain, because you have the old story of Scoter
and fiance. Beads that are found in many of the
tombs in Britain that go back, you know, to the
Bronze Age. These are only produced in Egypt, for instance,

(01:30:22):
but you have some of the myths and legends place
names associated with that as well. These boats as well.
For sure they found I think they were found up
in Yorkshire, right, They're found up in northern England, and
this is traditionally where Scoter first came in, who was
like supposedly the daughter of Akinatin. And so yeah, you
get all that. I mean, we've written about that quite
quite intensely in our book Acus, because we found quite

(01:30:43):
a few of these Giants tombs that had Egyptian artifacts,
like especially the Faiance beads and types of beads that
you get, you know, from that kind of created in Egypt.
But remember, like you talk about seafaring, that that doesn't
surprise me at all. I've got to be honest with you.
You look at the data that's come out of the

(01:31:03):
boats going between Turkey and Cyprus twelve thousand years ago,
and they were large, you know, transporting large amounts of people.
We're not just talking like two or three people. We're
talking like fifty to one hundred people, you know, And
this was happening twelve So that doesn't surprise me anymore
if that, you know, and they probably haven't found half
the evidence they need to kind of prove this whole theory.

(01:31:26):
I guarantee there's going to be a load more that
it's just washed away under the sea, under mud and
silt and everything. So that really really doesn't surprise me.
And this is important if you're going to mean that
proves to me that they could travel from Turkey and
go anywhere they wanted to survey the planet. And I
think this is what they were doing after the end
of the last ice Age. They were going out and

(01:31:47):
they had their their kind of mission was to kind
of travel the planet, see what's happened to it, see
what's changed, measure it, put everything back, get the astronomical
you use astronomy to kind of measure us. Well, you know,
this is like part of the whole system, including navigation
as well. So I think it's all connected. And I
think Egypt was a later legacy of what these people were.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
Doing it the Ferraby boats. When I I love learning,
all right, I love learning. And one of the things
that intrigues me because I have a very black and
white mind. I just like facts. Okay, I love theories.

(01:32:34):
I can sit here and theorize anything, right, But when
you look at the evidence of something like the Feriby boats,
and then you turn around and you look at the
construction of the Cufu boat, Look, it's identical, the same
lash plank construction. Right. Well, that's a black and white

(01:32:56):
thing to me, and I love that aspect of this.
But it's like glaring and right there. Who else was
designing these types of boats at two thousand BC. There's
only one place, Egypt. That's it. Yeah, And so that
if that isn't a direct connection of navigating through the

(01:33:17):
Mediterranean and out of Gibraltar, heading north and cruising into
the UK, I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
No, I agree, I mean, I think I think they're
kind of the Egyptians are rubbing in our faces by
burying boats right next to the pyramids, right they kind
of you know, it's like, you know, it's not like
we're height, you know, we're gonna put them right next
to the pyramids. This is what we were doing. Hello,
you know, and that's like, well, that's two and a
half thousand BC, you know, that's like three thousand BC

(01:33:50):
probably you know, possibly much older as well. You know,
and the wood from that came from Lebanon, So how
did that get there?

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's what I said that. Hey, I said,
they need to check the cedar of those Farrabee boats.
I bet they came from Lebanon, as as did the
rest of the wood in the Mediterranean, right exactly. How
crazy is that? Nobody wants to do that kind of testing.
They don't want to have that kind of proof, right,

(01:34:20):
because it just goes against the grain of everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Yeah, not for sure, So I mean they must have.
I mean, clearly, this, this diffusionism thing is it's got
to be put to bed. I think now because of this,
you know what you're talking about, but also you know
the Cypress boats. You know, this really needs to be
addressed because that opens up everything, you know, possibilities now

(01:34:44):
just oh, they could go anywhere at any time pretty much.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
Yeah. Yeah, let's so let's let's let's test that wood. No,
let's not no, no, let's no no, no, Now, okay,
can I have some fun with you for a second.
You're you're a megalithic guy, all right, and I know

(01:35:09):
you think about this stuff all the time. So let
me just let me pick your brain. Uh, how were
stones transported that were that large before the wheel?

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
That is that is one of the big Oh god,
that's that's like literally the hardest question you start with.
That's the fine question. Boats maybe across no, not across
dry land, but they may have created channels and things
like this. Okay, there is there is a stream using streams.

(01:35:46):
And also there's something about cold water at night where
when it hits about four degrees it becomes really buoyant,
so that this is one of the theories of the
whole geezer thing as well. I mean, I mean the
stones in I mean, to be honest with you, the
stones in Britain, most of them could be moved I
think by people being really smart. And we now know

(01:36:07):
how smart these people were, and so I think that
and they focused their data day activities around solving these riddles,
these problems, you know. And I think also there's like
this whole element of like religious fervor like focused togetherness,
probably a few mushrooms, which also gives you endurance and

(01:36:28):
strength to actually move them. And I think that I
think there's something to be said for that seriously as well.
But also I think, you know, having read the books
of Vine Doloria Junior, which I highly recommend to everybody.
He's a Native American scholar and visionary. He collected hundreds,
if not thousands of accounts the first hand witness accounts

(01:36:50):
of high level sorcery and magic taking place in front
of people's eyes, including levitating stones. You know. So I
believe that there's this thing we've lost as a culture.
It's been written out of our being rubbed out of
our kind of DNA, our consciousness upbringing a kind of
raising of people of this power of the mind, this

(01:37:14):
telekinetic power, and that has to be addressed because I
think we we have that we have that abilities. It's
within us, and it was and it was and it
was enhanced, it was worked with in ancient times and
they were it has but you can see film footage
of people doing this kind of stuff in the Philippines
and we were like the Shamans and things like that,

(01:37:35):
and so and the reports of the Viandelauria collected of
Native Americans doing these kind of things.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Was like, oh my god, so you're saying Merlin Merlin
was real?

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
I mean, I'm okay with that. Man. I'm doing the
Monty Python Holy Grail Tour next year for a reason. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah you need a bit of
Merlin in that way. You can let me paint some bloocks,
Yeah for sure. And but yeah, I think that's you know,
it can't be overlooked. I mean, it may be, it
might be completely wrong. It's pure speculation, but there's so
many accounts and myths and I witness stories that kind
of support that. You know, it really gets.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Also saxy Juaman. Every time I'm there and I just
look back and I go, okay, you can go up,
you can touch, you can see it's right in front
of you, and you just back up and just go,
how how that is bigger than my house? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
I know? Yeah, yeah, I mean the same thing could
be happening there. But also I like, you know, you
know Jim Vieira, you know, you know, me and him
read a couple of books on giants. Giants did it?
There is that there are myths of giants going way
back in ancient Egypt, you know, linked with the building
of pyramids. All these Arabian stories go back to the

(01:39:02):
eleven hundred to talk about this. So you have you
have that side of it, which could be part of it,
might not be, but you know, there's so there's there's
things that are kind of we don't think about. We
don't you know, we're not we don't think about the giants.
We don't think about the power of the mind. And
I think there was just the ingenuity of the ancients

(01:39:23):
is something to behold because you know, even in test
teble of times, the ingenuity of just creating the stone structures,
carving the bedrock. They also had like air conditioning and
things like this. They had, they were they learned how
to brew beer, they understand they developed agriculture. They they
definitely had magnetism in some of their sites. They had

(01:39:44):
acoustic properties, they had intricate geometry and measurements and things
like this. So if they were doing that back then,
I'm sure they could have developed some of the ideas
that kind of and techniques even mind techniques to take
that to another level.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Yeah, I don't dismiss any of that. And you know what,
you know what has convinced me about giants. I'm not
cracking jokes here. I'm not being cavalier, all right. You
know what has convinced me of giants? If the ancients
were so smart, how come they made stairs wrong? Because

(01:40:24):
those stairsteps are huge. So you and I right today,
you're at these sites, you're like, God, bless man. They
could have made these stairs smaller, but they're made for
bigger people. You wouldn't screw that up. No, you made

(01:40:45):
it for the size of the people that were doing
those stairs. And I'm not it sounds like I'm being silly.
I'm not. The stairs are wrong, but.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
You get giant artifacts, you get giant doorways and things
like this.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
I mean, that's what I'm saying. But no, no, no, no,
that's exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
I'm not cracking jokes here. It's it's obvious when when
you're there, it's like, this is for bigger people. It's
not my size. It doesn't fit me.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
No, yeah, I totally agree. I mean, haven't written co
written two books about them. I mean we're not you know,
we're not people just to like kind of make stuff up.
Me and Jim, we're quite kind of we won't write
about it unless we're serious about it. And the amount
of accounts we came up with the myths that associated
giants with these megaliths almost every single site in Britain,

(01:41:44):
you kind of have to kind of just think, hang
on a sec there's something bizarre going on here, and
it has to be just at least be there. It's like,
you know, right at the edge of the historical record,
it has to just sit there, can't just be deleted
from it, which is it's been attempted these giants. I
think it needs to be addressed again, like certain other
things do, like the archaeo astronomy, the kind of intricacies

(01:42:07):
of the stonework we shouldn't have existed at that time,
the quality of the creation of three D relief carvings.
It's like there's too many anomalies and they just keep
coming and they're not stopping, they ain't quitting. They're just
going to keep coming and they're going to keep bugging
the archaeologists and they're going to get more. And I
think that's partly why they don't want to excavate too

(01:42:29):
much more because there's going to be too many more
questions that can't be answered.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
Yeah, I was just looking for I can't find it here.
I'm going to do one more quick peek. And of
these stairs in Peru at the Sungate Temple, which is
right off of the freeway there, and they have a custodian,

(01:42:56):
a guard that's there that keeps an eye on everything.
You're not allowed to have fun, right, But when he
was looking away, I climbed the wall. And so they
have these stones and you know what I'm talking about,
These stones that are sticking out of the megalithic part
that are stairs to get up to the top, and

(01:43:18):
they're like three feet apart, and so I'm trying to
climb it is the most difficult thing. I'm lucky I
didn't fall and somebody had taken a bunch of PEPs.
I can't find him here, Hugh. Otherwise I would just
pop it up and show it. Man, I'm at the
Sungate right here, and let me see what this is.

(01:43:47):
Let me see this. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, Okay,
all right, I have a picture here. I'm going to
show this to you all right, all right, let me
move this up. Here came here, came here, came here. No,
not this one, this one. Okay, now look at look

(01:44:10):
at this. And I don't know if you know, I'm
not some PhD archaeologist.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
I'm not anything close to that. But if you look
here now I'm gonna zoom in. You see those steps?
You see those? Yeah, those are three feet in between.
So to climb to to climb those, now that's the
megalithic in the background, right, and but look at this.

(01:44:44):
It does it just doesn't make it's impossible to climb. Yeah,
you understand what I'm saying. Right, those are three feet apart.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
I mean, yeah, you look at the you look at
the Geezer pyramid as well. I mean, I mean, even
though they used to be faced, but there's steps in
them are kind of bizarre. You just can't quite get
your head around them. There's a lot there's I mean,
there's a lot of places that have that just that
kind of inexplicable kind of design of how they could
have walked around with it, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
Now, So let's stay on this, let's stay on this
exact point. About four months ago, there was a published
paper that talked about some of the stones at Stonehenge
were now located to come from Scotland.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Yes, yes, I have.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
I don't understand that unless it was easy for them
to do. But it was. It was five hundred miles,
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Yeah. Well, the stones they're talking about is basically it's
the older stone. There could be two of them as well,
according to some research by Andrew Collins, where they were
kind of eight long, kind of rectangular blocks of sandstone.
I believe definitely came from Scotland. Some people say from
Orkney Island, the main island there. But I must remember

(01:46:11):
that many of the bluestones, the spotted dollar right stones,
there's probably like fifty of them in Stonehenge came from
West Wales one hundred and twenty five miles away anyway,
and everyone's known about that for a long time. And
so Stonehenge I believe was like the national temple of
the British Isles when it was built at the time,

(01:46:31):
and it was known about as we know, we talked
about this earl in Mesolithic times. It was a gathering
place back then. Because there's a site just down the
road here called blick Mead which goes back ten thousand
years and it's a natural spring there that produces this
pink algae and a whole settlement was built around that
which developed into the Stonehenge landscape where all the very

(01:46:54):
early astronomy was done. And so the fact that they
you know, it became a but a famous place back then,
and there were people coming into the area even in
Mesolithic times, so at the time of Stonehenge. And incidentally
this is actually a Witness Solstice thing as well. There's
a cycle ding to Walled and Woodhenge which you probably

(01:47:15):
had know about. There's evidence there of massive gatherings on
the Winness Solstice, people coming in from all over the country,
even different parts of Europe. So guarantee there was this
was a get together to also do some building at
the site where they would bring stones from different areas
they like they had a certain quality of magical quality

(01:47:36):
maybe and actually utilize them into the site. So I
think it all makes sense because the earlier stone circles
in Britain up in Orkney they go back to three thousand,
two hundred BC, as even earlier site that they go
back to nearly four thousand BC. As well, and so
it makes sense to me that they would do that,
you know, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
It's also they didn't have GPS so to go and
transport those two altarstones from Scotland all the way down
to Stoneheads. You have to know where you're going, you
can't get lost, and you're transporting you know, multiple tons.
It's fascinating to me. And the same situation again with

(01:48:23):
the solstice alignment is oyent Ta Tambo and you go
to the top of oyent Tatambo and what.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Do you have.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
You've got six blocks up there that are thirty forty
to fifty tons each perfectly cut, perfectly aligned on the
top of those stairs. I mean, I just I don't know.
And it's so steep. These mountains are like completely vertical
around there. How did they transport those stones to the

(01:48:53):
top of that mountain?

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
I don't get it. You know, there's the lazy stone
or the tired stones, which you find all around the
base of Orienta Tambo. The story goes legend is that
there's we know where the quarry is. The quarry is
like a few miles away at the top of another mountain,
and so somehow, if you know, we're talking traditional kind

(01:49:17):
of logistics, and they bring it down and then take
it up another mountain. It's like, what the hell, It's
a four hour walk up the mountain to the quarry
as well. It's not close. But other people, as we
suggested with the Merlin hypothesis, is that they would levitate
it from one place to another. The reason you find
all these massive blocks around the base of Orienta Tambo

(01:49:39):
on the route they would have took is because they
lost concentration. Well, they were trying to levitate them. They've
slammed the ian. You've seen Oyenta Tambo, You've seen all
the way around it. You find like ten of these
blocks in various places in the village. Along the road.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
You're like down by the bathrooms at the entrance, down
at the b in that little field is littered with
giant stones.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
You get out to Wanaku and Puma Punku as well.
There's there's a mountain or a volcano called Sero Ca
Carocapia on the other side of Lake Titicaca in Peru
to Bolivia, where Puma Punku and Tiwanaka and myself and
JJ we spent a couple of weeks there after one
of our tours where with Brian back in twenty seventeen,
and we followed the path from the quarry at Krocapia

(01:50:27):
where we know the stones from Tiuanaku came from Puma
Punku to and there's all these stones along this route
just been dropped there and it's like, what the hell,
why are they still there? I mean we found ten
different sites over a twenty mile area. It's like, what
the hell. And so firstly they had to get it
across the lake, and then they had to transport and

(01:50:49):
so where they try to levitate them and they lost
concentrating I who knows, but you get the same thing
there as well. You actually get that in quite a
lot of other places as well, where they seem to
have been just for on stones or near the quarry.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
That's one of the sad things about Puma Punkop. People
don't talk about this. One of the sad things it's heartbreaking,
is when you walk to the back half of the site,
not the front where the h blocks are, and you
just walk around over the top, you know, from the
steps in the back right and then you come up
over the top, you are tripping over shit sticking out

(01:51:27):
of the ground. It's everywhere. Man, it's crazy, and nobody's escavating,
nobody's digging, nobody's checking it out. And you're looking and
you're like, what's on the other half of this? How
big is this stone? And it's carved, it's perfect drill
holes and it's just sticking out of the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean something's hit that place. I mean
it's almost like the Late Tity Coca, like just flooded it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
Something exploded. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
I mean you can't deny it. I mean it looks
like there's no way someone is going around just knocking
them over. I mean, they're way too big for that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
Well, let me ask you about this, and before we
wrap the show again, you have to go to Puma
Punku to understand what he and I are talking about.
But the site itself is ginormous. It's so big. It's
not the front with the h blocks, but when you

(01:52:28):
walk the perimeter, the full square, all of it, the
three walls on three sides are perfect. There's a couple
of tunnels there too as well, as you know that
are perfect. But then when you go around the back half,
all of that perfect stone work it is cast about.

(01:52:51):
It's you know what I mean, and you just look
at it and you're like, okay, and these are huge
stones that are carved, quarry beautiful, that were once part
of this wall, and they're just thrown all over the place.
No humans are picking that up and throwing it. That's
not so what do you think happened on the back

(01:53:12):
half of Puma Punku?

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
To be honest with you, I mean I've been like,
you know, Brian, I've been there with Brian Forrest a
few times, many times actually, and I cannot, for the
life of me work out what was going on. I mean,
it seems like, you know, it's like massive explosions or
massive tidal way. But how can that be? How can
a lake have that much power because it covered in mud.

(01:53:36):
That's the thing that's covered in dirt and mud. That
isn't just natural kind of layering of you know, things
like that. It's like, for the life of me, I
cannot work that out.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
I well, because you see it up close and personal.
You're walking you know that back half, that perfect wall.
It's beautiful too, and it's like it's almost a quarter
mile long, you know, I don't know, it's it's a
few hundred yards for sure, and that that it's just
perfectly laid and carved, and then he round the corner

(01:54:11):
and the corner's perfect and then right, it's just like
everything is it's just thrown all over the place. I
can't it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And those backstairs too,
those backstairs that ye looks funny to me.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Yeah, they think that because Puma Punku, for people who
don't know, it's like a giant kind of platform pyramid
yep as is Tibanaki. They kind of like Apana pyramid.

Speaker 4 (01:54:39):
I think I think they were both. I think they
were both pyramids myself.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Yeah, but the back end of Puma Punku, like you
mentioned these giant steps, that they think that that was
like a port going into Lake diddy Kaka at the time,
because the lake would have come up to that point,
you know, a couple of thousand years ago. So I
think that that that is it. So that's why it
feels like it's some kind of major waterclism, if you

(01:55:04):
can call it that. That's what that's what it seems like.
I mean, just by observing it and seeing it for yourself,
you're kind of like, oh, that's that's what it looks.

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
Like you know, yeah, it looks like because everything is
tumbled and these are big blocks. People need to understand
when you walk next to these. Some of these are
most of them at that part of the wall construction,
are four or five feet six feet long, three feet thick,
and you know, maybe three feet deep. They're large carved

(01:55:37):
blocks and they're just they're just thrown all over the place. Yeah,
it's crazy. It's crazy. I love Puma pun Ku teaman
Aku too, though it's no joke. I don't know. And
I look at when you look at Puma Pump from

(01:56:00):
the backside Team wan Akutu, it's square, it's a platform,
and it's it's a it looks like it's the base
of a pyramid and there are tunnels going into it.
So yeah, that's and everybody's focused on the H blocks,
as they should one other point. Hold on, hold on,

(01:56:22):
you've been there enough, okay, H blocks?

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
Man, cool, that looks like, uh, it looks to me
like all those flat stones that are interlocking, right and
you can see how they locked. I think that was upright.
Do you think that was a wall at one point?

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Yeah, there were very large walls there. There's a's a
friend of mine called Kevin Eslinger. He's a graphic three
D artistic. He's reconstructed Karrahan Teppe for me. He worked
on Puma Punka as well for Ancient Aliens. In fact,
there was actually an episode and I was in bold
with working with him on that and at Puma Punku.
He reconstructed it in four or five different ways in

(01:57:06):
a stunning way. And one of the things he worked
out as he was doing it, as he started putting
it all back together, basically like lifting up the stones
out of the mud and putting them back together in
this three D thing, he realized there was a very
precise clear winter solstice and summer solstice alignment. Just it

(01:57:26):
just it occurred during him reconstructing it. Fascinating, so that
again you got that as well. That's a new thing
as well. I mean it ended up in this episode
of Ancient Aliens is updated kind of. It's called reconstructing
Puma Punku. People can check it out if they've got
access to it. But have a look at that if
you can, man, I mean, that is really cool. I mean,

(01:57:48):
he's a very interesting guy. And the reason he worked
that out is because because of that, he worked out
and proved that the Carahan Tepe alignment works by reconstructing it,
even with a roof where the stones used to be.
So you did the similar thing for and found where
the statue was one of the upright kind of viracocha

(01:58:09):
statues that would have been behind if he placed it
in a certain place that would have come through and
illuminated the face of it, that you get a Carahan Tepe.
So he was like, oh, and so I worked with
him on that a bit. So there's that as well.
So and in the reconstruction he did basically the main
area like that where all the stones are, you know,
the slabs are and everything that was just one elongated

(01:58:32):
almost like room giant platforms but also large, and all
the blocks interlocking, creating this these three rooms with these
three doorways. So that was quite surprising. But when you
put all that together, so what you're saying is, you know,
makes sense as well. And that was just and that
was one area on top of this giant black kind

(01:58:52):
of level pyramid as well. So yeah, absolutely fascinating place.
It's just still baffles at that place.

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
I can't wait. I'm going to be there shortly, and
my heart, my heart rate goes up. You know the
blue sign, the Puma Punku sign right when you walk
through the gates. My heart's I love it, man, I
love it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
Hugh.

Speaker 4 (01:59:20):
Where can everybody follow everything and all of your work?

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
Yeah? Sure, yeah they can just search for me Hugh
Newman or Megalithomania dot co dot uk is the kind
of website where we have everything, but we're all over
social media. Hugh Newman and megalith Mania. I just want
to mention if people are around we are doing the
Cosmic Summit. I'm speaking at the Cosmics something about what
we talked about today a lot. It's some great speakers there,

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you know, many of them in Greensboro over the summer
solstice twenty for the twenty third orso, the gei Aspheres
thing in August I think ninth tenth in Colorado with
a bunch of great people. David Hatch Childress Way to
see him again. And we're we're getting their team, the
Star Team from Egypt over to England. On November. We're

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doing our Origins conference. So I want to I like
mentioning these conferences because there, as you know, they're great
places to kind of you meet people and discuss ideas
and everything else. So I want to always promoting conferences.
I think that's a big deal. But they can check
out all my stuff on you know, if they just
search for me. Obviously we do. We do trips out
to these places like you're doing with Brian. We do

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tours to lots of places. We find that very important
because often we our guests are better eyesight than us
or better intuition than us, and they discover things while
we're there, which is very andy. So that's always good fun.
And yeah, I just want to give a shout out
and say hello to Brian from me. I haven't seen
him for ages, so have a great time in Peru.

Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
Here's the absolute best, and so are you. And say
hello to JJ for me. I just did something with
JJ and I sat and listened to her presentation. Well
you know what, we're at the end of the show.
I can't remember, but it was a few months ago
and it was amazing. It was amazing. Give my best

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to JJ and I'll see you. I'll see you out
at Guaya. I'll be there for that and it'll be
good to see you again, my friend. Thank you so much,
Thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
Jimmy great talking to you.

Speaker 4 (02:01:22):
Hugh Newman, everybody, Thank you so much, Hugh, And we
do have Hugh's links below. Now you can go back
to bed or no, go walk through Stonehenge and drink
your tea. I'll talk to you. Thank you, Hugh, You're
the absolute best, my friend. And Hughes links are below,
and yeah, it's a cosmic summit and of course out

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at Guya too as well. And everything is on our
website and over on Hugh's site. And which takes me
to the question that I have at the end of
every show, what am I doing tomorrow night? Does anybody
know what I'm doing tomorrow night? Tomorrow night is Oh,
Trey Hudson is here. That's right. We're gonna be talking
about the meadow and the high strangeness that is going

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on out there. So until tomorrow night. Again, thank you, Hugh.
Perfect show and I will see everybody tomorrow. But for now,
all I've got is go beg Lee. Teppie Bade to
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