FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Lance Hightower

Tonight, Lance Hightower, host of Monster 911, joins us for a full night of Dogman and Cryptids!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, this Hope Radio for the Nazis headline of July eighth,

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nineteen forty seven, the Yaudi airport, per person outstart applying,
the pert been found and there's now in the possession of.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
The Ada with the game really changed the game Gage.
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this worker.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
This is Dade to Black. It's your host, Jimmy Church
on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right, welcome Fade to Black. How you doing today
is Wednesday, July second, twenty twenty five. I am your host,
Jimmy Church. Let's do this man, Yeah, you know the drill.
This week I'm Fade of Black. Great week after being

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out of the country and taping my TV show for
the last three weeks, we kicked everything off on Monday
with Peru and Bolivia, a recap of my adventures in
South America. That's all right. Last night Ron Meyer was
with us. Jesus had an NDE. It was a great
conversation last night, and tonight Lance high Toower joins us.

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Dog Man in the USA, cryptids and other fun stuff.
Always a great conversation. We're going to do that tonight
tomorrow night. Eric Wargo is with us. Check this out.
Pre COG, pre cognition, time travel, and UFOs they are
all connected. But you already knew that. So that's our

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week here on Fade to Black. Very excited for me
to get to this weekend. And I'm not leaving. I'm
not flying, I'm not on an airplane. I haven't done
this in literally months, and I got back. I just

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wanted to let everybody know. I flew for thirty hours
out of South America, thirty hours, got back to Los
Angeles on Saturday evening, obviously, fell asleep and woke up
sometimes Sunday, had to turn around and get ready for
another week of shows. And what I did in between everything,

(03:01):
I you know, you don't do this stuff alone. I
have a very cool, dedicated and large team that supports
this show. I have writers, I have producers, have people
that book the show, and with all of that, which
means I have a pretty good payroll every month too

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as well. But what that means is it enabled me
to binge parks and recreation. That's right. I'm on my
fifth binge of art and that's all I'm just literally
on the couch with the phone turned off, just binging

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on a show that just makes me laugh, and just
trying to get my feet back on the ground and
just just aiming for this weekend where I can just relax,
ride my Harley and get my head back to But
thank you to everyone out there, and I truly mean
this for not only being here night after night, year

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after year. But you know when I leave for three
weeks and there's no fade to black and everything else,
Well yeah, there's that. But the other part is I
don't have the show either. I don't I miss it.
I miss all of you, and I just couldn't wait
to get back and get on the air, which I
did somehow on Monday to do that review. But let

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me tell you something I was. I was focused on
relaxation and sleep during that show. But Parks and Recreation
has got me through all of it, and also the guests.
Like tonight, I have Lance high Tower here and we
get to just talk about cryptids and fun stuff all

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night and I get to learn something along with all
of you. All right, So I just wanted to get
that out of the way. Obviously I've had some sleep
my head is now clear. Yeah, all right. I have
one event coming up at the end of this month.
I will be heading out to the East Coast hosting
the PI Games the Psychic Olympics, and this is August

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first through the third, twenty twenty five in Charlottesville, Virginia, Virginia.
The links for that are below. All of the speakers,
everything else, schedule, ticket information and all of that is
in the links below, in the description, over on our website,
and of course throughout social media. And I will see
everybody out there in Virginia at the end of this month,

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August first through the third. I am this is so me.
It's so me. I get to be a game show host,
which means I just get to go up there and
do my thing. Yeah yeah, I've got an OWT fit

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all picked out for that, by the way. So I'll
see you at the Psychic Olympics in Virginia at the
end of this month. Tonight, Lance high Tower is with us.
The show is entitled dog Man in the USA, which
means we can talk about whatever he wants. Now. He's
got Monster nine one one. He is a podcast host.
He has been doing this for a long time. He's

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an experiencer. He is a researcher. We're going to talk
about all of that, encryptids and that reality. We're going
to do all of that. His links are below and
of course the Monster nine to one one podcast. We've
got everything that you need in the links below. And
with that for the first time on fade to block. Yeah,
Lance high Tower and he's right there. Lance, Good evening,

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young man.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Hey, good to be with you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, yeah, right now, this is the deal, Lance.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
All right, okay, you ready, I'm ready from.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Hosts one host to another, right, okay, tonight, I'm going
to test your chops. By the way, we're gonna see
we're gonna test your chops. Yeah, we're gonna test your chops.
But you get the first time guest disclaimer. Now, you
don't get to steal this for your show. By the way,
all right, all right, I'll have to invoice you get.

(07:15):
You get the first time guest disclaimer, which is this Lance, Lance.
It's just you and I sitting on my couch having
a conversation as friends. And where that conversation starts, it
starts where it ends, it ends. But we're gonna end
as friends now you have to accept so we can
move on.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Hmmm, okay, I agree, I accept.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh that was easy. They have me on the edge
of my seat. Lance. That's not what you're supposed to
as a show host. You got to make me comfortable.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, I'll try to do that absolutely.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I've got a lot to share.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay, And my job, because you're a host, is to
see if I can make you uncomfortable. Go for it,
all right.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I like that. I like challenges.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Let's this is going to
be a great conversation tonight. And as you know in
the audience knows, I have done a lot of shows,
a lot of shows on cryptids. I've got my own
belief system in this. I've I haven't Okay, let me

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start off with this. I haven't had a bigfoot sighting.
I haven't had a dog man siding. I haven't had
a slender man siding. I haven't had a skin walkers.
I haven't. I haven't seen evidence of it. But I
look forward to the day where I get the crap
scared out of me. Okay, but it hasn't happened yet.

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But I know that there was something going on, and
science is starting to There's something I talk about nearly
every night in the show. Science is starting to support
science of all things, right, Science is starting to support
this reality that you and I have been discussing for
so many years. And that's the exciting part. We know

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that there's something going on, a lot of witnesses and
a lot of things to support it. But I haven't
enjoyed that yet. I've seen UFOs man. I you know,
I've seen I live in a haunted house, right, so,
uh yeah, but I haven't. Oh man, I haven't haven't

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had that yet.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's a really good point. And I think the reason
why science is coming around to admit these is after
these podcast shows like mine and Big One, large ones
like yours, is that you have what I like to
call this anecdotal patterned evidence. In other words, people that

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are totally unrelated, different ages, live in different regions, different occupations,
in careers report seeing creatures. And by the way, they're
really not into this. Most of the first time eyewitness folks,
they this is the first time. They're not into the shows.

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They really don't read cryptid books, but they know what
they saw, and what they saw wasn't human. It wasn't
any known indigenous animal that lives in their region or state,
and so they want answers, and so that's what they
reach out. And so what's really interesting in doing a

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lot of these hundreds of these interviews now since twenty seventeen,
you start to see patterns of when you see a
certain creature. You see a pattern of what the creature does.
You see weather patterns matter, time of day matter, seasons matter,
and you see patterns on how these eyewitnesses respond to

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what they see, as well as a whole other pattern
of an unknown age see that tends to appear at
random times.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
And you know what else is interesting, Uh, and we've
all been through this, but it happens. You can you
can make it happen, which is this You're sitting at
dinner with your grandparents and just bring it up and
then the next thing, you know, your grandmother says, yeah,
me and your grandfather saw bigfoot once, right, And or

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you know some friend at dinner that never talks about
this stuff. They sit back and you hear the wife go, yeah, yeah,
we were camping once Bigfoot. Bigfoot walk by the tent.
It's it's bizarre. People have their Bigfoot sightings. They don't
necessarily talk about it, but it's it's a bigger community

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than the UFO community, maybe even than the ghost community.
The bigfoot and cryptic community is huge.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
It is and I think you you definitely hit on
something that is fascinating to me. And because it revolves
around a lot of psychology of people and when they
see something that don't quite understand it, it goes against
this what we call this cognitive dissonance that they can't
compare it to anything that they know. So what do

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they do? Especially the older generations, they would take secrets
to their grave and nowadays it's you know, everybody's on
a platform. But when you open up that door of
just one word, like I got a question, you know,
I think I saw Bigfoot and then their eyes are
as big as saucers and they go, well, let me

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tell you what I saw right in nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Right right, right, right, Okay, I'll tell you. I've told
the story many times, but it is hilarious. This is
when I got I got brought down to earth, right,
I got slapped, all right, And this is how I
got slapped. In the Pacific Northwest, northern California and above
Bigfoot country, right, Okay, So I go to has to

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be one of the biggest Bigfoot gift shops museums if
you will, up in uh, northern California's ginormous hundreds of
cars parking lot kind of thing. And yeah, a thousand
Bigfoot statues. I'm not exaggerating, by the way, A thousand
big Foot statues, the wind shot things, totem pull. It's huge, right,

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I've never seen that many T shirts. And so I'm
in there. I'm hosting Coast to Coast, right, my ego, right,
And I'm walking around there, and I go up and
I'm waiting to be recognized, okay, and I'm not not
digging it. So anyway, I go up to the front
counter and I said, uh, nice shop. This lady goes, yeah.

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I said, are you the owner? She goes, I am.
I said, Hi, gim me Church Coast to Coast am.
She goes, what's that Jeff? Right? And and and I
was like, well, okay, let's change the conversation. And I
asked for it, right, I did. I asked. But my

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point being, the Bigfoot community does their own thing, the
crypted community does their own thing. Ghost, the paranormal, the supernatural,
life after death, crystals, right, UFOs, conspiracy theory, the coast
to coast that that you know, that history channel, travel channel,

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that that's one thing. But the cryptid community runs on
its own gas, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
It It pretty much does? I mean, that's another good point.
I mean, it's definitely when you when we started this podcast,
I didn't realize that we only started it basically to
share among my brothers and I just to platform we
could talk. And I never expected it to grow. Honestly,

(15:05):
I know that sounds silly. And I got started with
a broken cell phone and a forty dollars Bluetooth speaker,
and that's how we started the podcast show.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
And it sounds like it sounds like my start.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, I mean, and I absolutely had zero knowledge on
how to do a podcast show, absolutely zero, and I
just you know, YouTube University helped me through it. But yeah,
it is a very tight community, and especially when you
go to these conferences, you if you don't know folks,

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you will begin to know people because everybody knows everybody
and it's a very tight group. The conferences especially, and
once one person follows you on a podcast show, well
they follow six, seven, eight ten others as well, So
everybody knows everybody's name, their own style, kind of what
we talked about before the show, and yeah, it's it's

(16:04):
a very eclectically interesting type group.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Let me let me ask you a question. This is
a serious, this is the elephant in the room question.
Why is it that the cryptid community doesn't want to
be connected to UFOs but the UFO community wants to

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be connected to the cryptid community. They see the connections
cryptic community. There is no UFO connection in a general sense.
Why is that line in the sand there?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, I think I'm not personally come across a hard
drawn line, but I know what you're talking about because
when I go to conferences or I see it in
the comments, it's like there's certain very heavily debated things
with in the cryptic community. That is one of them,

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because I think one of the things. And again I
don't speak for everybody, but I'm just kind of in
looking at the comments, you have this creature that looks
very primitive, sasquatch hair, large abilities, supernatural abilities, all this
very very primitive looking and then to associate or a UFO,

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which is we think of maybe technology it's hard to
kind of bridge that gap. But with that being said,
there's a lot of people that I've spoken to and
I've interviewed that have seen, in fact, the last show
I just did, I mean they a UFO was spotted
a sphere and this was back in eighty six, and

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then a day or two later this creature was seen.
So it's really you see this association over and over
and over. And there's other things within the crypto community
like does the prince are they do they have a
metatarsal arch or do they not? Do they disappear at

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will or do they just kind of blend into the
trees to look like they disappear, And a lot of
them pretty heavily contentious subjects. I mean, when you get
into there, people are very staunch, very you know, they
won't deviate from their belief whatever that is within that community.
So I mean, you you bring up a good point,

(18:40):
it's I'll just say this, I see or I hear
a lot of people stating that they've seen numerous UFOs, sphares,
things like that, and shortly prior to, during or after
they'll have a creature encounter. That's happened many times of
the people I've interviewed.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
But yet but yet they enter in denial.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
They do, and everybody has this level of absolute.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
They forget about Chewbacca, right, I mean you know what
it No, that's the point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
there's but but okay, so then here's the other thing.
And uh and let's get straight into dog men and
and who dog man is. But when you look at petroglyphs,

(19:35):
certainly the stories and things that have been handed down
for millennia. Uh, we see it in artwork. Every culture
in the world has got encryptid in their mythology, which
I think is always based on reality. But this isn't
a modern phenomenon, is it. This is this is as

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ancient as anything else.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, and that you know, I'm glad you brought that up,
because that's another contitious point that a lot of people
bring up. You know, I have a very close friend
that swears up and down that this, for instance, this
dog man creature is lab made, it's designed. Yes, And
whereas I'm not necessarily one hundred percent leaning on that,

(20:21):
I'm more of the I guess you could say belief
that it has been around a lot longer than what
we think here, but that there have and are people
behind the scenes that are maybe not in direct line

(20:41):
with a government agency but more of an NGO corporate
that have studied these creatures. They're well aware of these
creatures their abilities, and they're Johnny on the spot, and
there might be a level of intervention into some of
their makeup, if you will. So I'm more along the

(21:02):
lines they've been here a long time rather than they're
just totally one hundred percent design made in a lab.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
It could be both, could be both. Yes, I had
a guest on the show a couple of months ago
that revealed to me for the first time I had
never heard about this. But up in the Columbia River
Basin right up in Washington State there which as we

(21:31):
know right one of the highest sighting rates of Bigfoot
in the world is up there well along the Columbia
River Basin. On the river was the largest Department of
Defense animal experimenting laboratory in the country that was built

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during and after and ran after World War Two, genetic
testing genetic experiments right there and then, and so one
of the things that he suggested was Bigfoot escaped right
and now, and there were reports of that by the

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way of animals escaping from this facility. I went and
researched the facility, looked at the historic pictures of it,
and it was huge and it was real. Now does
that explain everything, No, but it reveals the possibility of
something like that happening, in addition to the other creatures

(22:45):
that just may be here in species that were here naturally.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh, I one hundred percent agree on that. I think
that these creatures have been very well studied. And there
was a gentleman that I know very well who shot
one of these creatures and was later in another state.
He's a truck driver. He was pulled over by two

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unknown men dressed alike.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, pump
the brakes. What do he mean?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Okay? Shot?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
What did he shoot?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well, he's it's well known now. I interviewed him maybe
about four years ago. He's a truck driver. He had
some air brakes break down in Michigan. Now I don't
know exactly where in Michigan, but I know it was
a Michigan and I was contacted by a sister and

(23:49):
it was a very kind of benign call. The sister said, hey, Lance,
and I had the same toll free number I've had
since twenty seventeen. She calls the number and says, you
need to talk to my brother. He needs to talk
to someone. So okay, So I call her and she said, yeah, yeah,
this is my number, but you need to call his number.
So I called his number and very soft spoken guy,

(24:11):
and I bet we talked for two days. He interviewed me,
and I'm like, I wasn't quite sure what was going on,
but I think he was just feeling me out, if
I was for real, if I was going to make
you know, if I was going to embarrass him, ridicule him,
kind of where my standpoint was. And then after he
kind of realized that I was for real, I wanted
to know what happened. He opened up on like day three,

(24:35):
very soft spoken, but basically this is what he said.
After having the air brakes break down in Michigan in
an evening, it was in the summertime. He basically saw
something in the woods that was black. He thought it
was a bear. He kind of shooted away, very loud.
He was putting his tools away. He got in the
cab and he was coming out of this park bottom

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and he was going up this hill himself, really beautiful,
cool evening. The windows were down. He didn't have the
ac on. He just wanted to enjoy the summer evening
Michigan air. As he was shifting going uphill for a
semi truck, it's slow shift, shift, shifts, slow, slow, slow,
until he's getting up the hill, and something caught his

(25:19):
eye on his right, priffery, and as he turned to look,
he saw the head, the massive head of a canine
bent down inside the window of the passenger site of
his semi truck. Whoa not regular truck, semi truck, gotcha?

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It freaked him out. He's shifting gears, trying to watch
the road and is just frantically looking at this thing
to his right. It's dicking its head in, looking around
the cab, sticking its head out, running next beside, sticking
its head in wildly kind of perusing the inside of
the cab and sticking its head back out. Well, he

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didn't know what was going on. He is a very
avid let's just say, he likes to shoot pew pews,
and so he's very avid marksman. Instinctively he pulls a firearm,
draws it and as this thing is looking forward and
it's coming back to get to stick its head back in.

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He fires hits it twice and he knows he kills it.
He looks in the side mirror and it rolls. He said,
and I quote, it was the size of a horse. Lance,
I knew I had, I knew I had mortally wounded it.

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It rolled multiple times on the side. He's still in shock.
He gets to the top of the hill and he said,
I got to turn around. I got to make sure
this thing is like done. So he whips a you.
He goes back downhill and he doesn't see it, but
there's a car at the bottom of the hill and
there's a couple getting out of the car with a shotgun.
He pulls off the side of the road, puts his

(27:09):
blinkers on, and he's like, uh, what are you doing?
And they go, did you see that bear drag that
other bear off? And he doesn't know what to say.
He's not going to tell him what he just got
through witnessing a canine the size of a horse that
had a tongue the size of a cow that he

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estimated was and I quote, around twelve hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
And so he got them back in their car to say,
the bears might attack you. You need to leave out
of here. So fast forward again. He was at another
state at a way in station, pretty typical. They take
him through and they said, hey, you need someone to
look at your manifest and just pulling back and someone
will be with you about thirty minutes. He goes, okay, golly,

(27:58):
I'm in a hurry, but okay. He pulled out back.
He waits, he waits. Thirty minutes later, a car pulls up.
Two guys get out, very large guys, both dressed the
same high and tight like military. And he's got his
manifestraight and he goes, okay, you want to take a
look all in like the back. And the first thing
they say is no, we need to take your firearm

(28:19):
out of your cab, and he's like, cages him off guard.
He's like what and he goes, we need to get
your fire him out of there. And he goes, well,
do you have a warrant And they said, well, we
can get a warrant, or we could just completely tear
apart your cab here, or you can just let us
get your firearm. And why did you shoot our asset.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Wow, okay, that was there.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
That was the first time I had heard that. And
he pulled me aside, this gentleman, Joe. He was at
a conference and we'd never met, and he said, Lance,
I'm the guy you I'm Joe and from Michigan, and
I go, oh my gosh, it's so nice to meet you.
So we spoke, and he to me later what happened
fast forward again, They took a firearm, They kind of

(29:05):
had words. They let him go, didn't tear apart his cab.
Later that following year, he was in like Houston, helping
a mother in law or a family member move entirely
different state in a summertime, had the cab of a
regular sized personal truck locked. They were moving things. He
opens the back and I think it was his girlfriend

(29:27):
unlocked the and in mind you unlocked the camper off
the back of his truck and there was a box there,
nothing on it, and it looked like a flat screen box.
He opened it up and guess what was in there?
The gun that was taken in another state by those
two guys. So that was pretty much in a fast

(29:54):
manner of that story what happened. But he shot killed
the dog man and had his firearm extracted from the
truck and was given it back as a message. He
called me and he said, what what do you think
this meant? Lands, I said, well, it was a message.
They're still listening, They're still monitoring you and what you say.

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Because by that time he had already given a story
to other podcast shows. He was mentioned in someone else's book.
His full name was given. He served his country, retired service,
and very sharp guy, very just very keen on things,

(30:38):
and so he doesn't back down easy at all. And
so it was quite a story that he told me,
But it is one that doesn't surprise me based on
a multitude of other stories that I have personally talked
to eyewitnesses and what has occurred.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
What did you make of his use of the word asset.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well, I thought about that for a long time, and
a lot of people know that story of Joe Barger,
and a lot of people say, well, they made him
in a lab. I told you, Lance, they made him
in a lab. And I'm of the mindset of this.
We know that word to mean something that you own
property possessions, you own an asset. I take it still

(31:28):
to mean that these creatures are not necessarily made. I'm
not one hundred percent can't prove, but can't disprove it either,
But I think they said that because they're heavily involved
in studying these creatures. They are very not only aware
of them, but they have captured them alive and or deceased.

(31:55):
They know their habits, their tendencies, their characteristics, weight sizes,
their abilities, all those things. And I personally think that
they have built special equipment to corral these creatures once
they know they're in an area, right that are very

(32:16):
high tech that you or I don't are not privy
to that kind of equipment. But I think that's the
way I take it that they're they use that term
asset is that, in so many words, this is what
we're setting. We know about them, and you shot one
we were looking after to a.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Certain tracking tagging GPS collar, yes, right, right right, And
it almost sounds like your typical if it's typical Men
in Black.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Well it is, and that is kind of the general
term everybody knows, kind of the Will Smith and in
Black and it's a pretty cool show. I like them,
but I think, honestly, in my opinion, that's giving him
too much credit to give him that title. I like
the court callum kind of what anyone in the UFO community,

(33:15):
UAP community will know the name of Stephen Greer, doctor
Stephen Greer, and he uses kind of of corporate spooks
or the black mob. And I really like that term
terminology because I have people that I have interviewed several
times become friends with, actually in which they have reported

(33:39):
their encounter. And I think of one of two cousins
that were in Ohio that were attacked midday by a
sasquatch on a reservoir island. And what they took these
cousins through to keep them quiet is like made for
a movie. They closed bank accounts, savings accounts. Both cousins

(34:04):
lost their job, they lost their marriage, They had no home.
They lost their home because they couldn't afford to pay
any mortgage. And it wasn't their fault what happened. They
were at the wrong place at the wrong time, and
they encountered a sasquatch that attacked one of the cousins,

(34:27):
punctured along, knocked him unconscious. The other cousin took him
in by boat, brought him upshore, called every law enforcement
officer you can think of in the county. Nobody would
take him with an ambulance, so he drove his cousin
to the hospital. He was in a hospital room for

(34:48):
several days to make sure his lung would reinflate. And
during that time, though, when they arrived at the hospital,
two people came in that cleared the room of all
the officers, the highway patrol, the game rangers, game warden,
and everybody. And no one knows who they were, but
they separated the cousins. I know this because the cousin

(35:10):
talked to me three days immediately after this happened. It
was still fresh on his mind. He was still in shock.
And no one really knows who they were. But they
could cheer clear out a room full of officers, and
these cousins, they didn't They just wanted someone to listen
to them, and they told them exactly. They spilled their guts.

(35:32):
This is what we saw. We saw a massive sasquatch.
It hit my cousin. You guys got to go out
there and kill this thing. And in trying to tell
the newspaper the local radio station, they were immediately told
to get out of the buildings. No one wanted to talk.
They were being prosecuted, so they had to get an attorney.

(35:53):
But the attorneys they got called them back and said,
we don't want to be attorney. Sorry by click. So
these people behind the scenes that we were talking here about,
the men in black, I call him the corporate mob
because they were able to lock the bank account of

(36:14):
the cousin I talked to. His wife didn't have access.
They couldn't pay any bills, they couldn't buy any food,
they lost their home. She didn't understand what was going on.
He didn't understand until I kind of helped him connect
the dots. That's what I was doing, was helping him
connect the dots. Otherwise he would have never connected what
they saw and what was occurring with his bank account,

(36:36):
and I felt bad for him. There was so much
that went on. There was a police officer that I
understand that lost his job because the police officer secretly
gave our number to the cousin to say, these guys
might help you. Well, that was found out later and
the officer lost his job. But these people have a
way to shut the accounts down. You don't know who's

(37:00):
doing it, so who can you sue? Who do you tell?
You don't know who to tell, who to talk to,
so it gets crazy. I mean, it plays out like
some Jason Bourne movie. But the problem is is that
it's real. It did happen, and these people, again, we
don't know. But for some reason, I will say that

(37:24):
anytime someone has a dog man encounter or a sighting,
just a sighting, these people are Johnny on the spot immediately,
within hours or a day.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
It makes me wonder. It's such a good point. It
makes me wonder, especially today, when somebody from an agency,
law enforcement, customs, whatever it may be, right, just looks

(37:57):
you up. What is it that they see? Right? Okay,
it's not speeding tickets, well that might be there, right,
but everything could be there and absolutely, yeah, yeah, it

(38:18):
freaks me out. I'll give you an example. This past weekend.
I'm clearing customs in Houston. Okay, this on Saturday, and
I'm there, you know, passport and all of this, right,
and the United States Customs agent I could almost describe

(38:42):
him to he's probably fifty I'm going to say forty
five fifty had these wrap around shades but they were clear,
all right. But anyway, and he says something to me
through the glass. I said, excuse me, and he leans down.

(39:04):
There's a little hole right square hole. It's big, and
he leans down into the hole and goes, love your work.
I said, what totally caught me by I was like,
what now, Now, now he's not a fan, he doesn't,
I don't know. But anyway, he hands me my passport

(39:27):
and he says, welcome back to the United States. And
I leave and I'm walking away, and that's when it
hit me exactly what you're talking. What is it that
he read?

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, I mean, and here's my spidey sense or gut
suspicion when it comes to just standard law enforcement, whether
it's county, local township, or state police or state game wardens.
I mean those people.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Four stranger for strangers or stranger whether it's state or
national parks.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
I think the people are fabulous and they do great work.
But but I will say this, do all of them
and this is just my personal opinion, but I don't
believe all of them are privy to knowing that these
creatures exist, and they just it's not something that you know.

(40:20):
When you graduate from the academy, they go, oh, by
the way, cryptids are real. You know they it's nothing
like that. I think it's by happenstance on a call.
But I do think in very isolated areas within a county,
a parish, a state, a region, there are law enforcement

(40:40):
officers civilians that have backdoor portals, either a number that
they say a code, or an email they give a
code that these people are on the spot that fast.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yep, And I I agree.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
It's a all percentage, but I think I'm on spot
with that because it is my personal opinion now, because
here's the thing. AI did not just come out last
year with these people. They've been using AI for a
couple decades, just like the cell phones, and so they
have perfected it. How can you can you hire enough

(41:22):
people to listen to police scanners and YouTube shows and
podcasts and Apple shows and you can't.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
There's too many, too many.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
So you can have AI do that that fast for
you with select terms, key phrases and words.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, absolutely, YouTube, friggin Netflix, I don't care. They have
been using that for a long long time. When you
have the I'm gonna say it, man's probably in a month,
trillions of phone calls, trillions of text messages, trillions of

(41:59):
email how many uploads of YouTube videos happen on a
daily basis. Those aren't humans listening to that. That's software
to all of it, all, all of it scanning everything
looking for those keywords. And I'll give you another example
of this, and especially when it comes to forest rangers
who are federal, John Greenwald of the Black Vault, and

(42:24):
you can look at this, you can see it for yourself.
He's got on his website a page posted from the
Forest Ranger Handbook. Right, it's page and a half that
talks about Bigfoot and talks about the DNA testing that

(42:44):
was done on Bigfoot and that Bigfoot was real. Now,
this is in the Federal Forest Ranger Handbook in the
new version. Wait, in the new version of the handbook,
those pages are missing. Now.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, So that was part of the
not no, of the habook. But the training and forest
rangers have to be aware of this, number one. But
number two, they're they're seeing and experiencing this all forms
of nature and wildlife every single day.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
No, absolutely, And you know you hit on something that
just you know, certain shows just stick with me. And
I remember I interviewed a small town police officer who
was off duty, had his firearm with him, as most
you know small town police officers or officers do off duty,

(43:45):
they have their fire arms still with them. It's concealed
most most of the time. And he was taking his
elderly father fishing. Well, they go on the Texas side
and they fish on the Red River in a very
secluded area that the grandfather wanted or the father wanted
to go to. They get there toward the evening, they
throw the fishing line in and about that time they

(44:08):
hear a massive splash across it just yelling like this incredible,
just massive, it's got power yelling. And they hear this
splashing like something is coming across the river at them,
but it's dark. They can't see anything, but they're scared.
The father gets in the truck, starts the truck and
he's a big man, but he's scared. Well, the sun

(44:29):
is like, what's going on? So he starts gathering up
with US equipment and just starts throwing in the back
of this little s Chevy S ten truck and he said,
I gotta see what's going on here. Well, he could
fill the tremor, I repeat, he could feel the tremor
of this thing clawing up the dirt bank, coming after them,

(44:51):
and as it gets to the top, it's a massive squat.
This sasquatch gets to the top, pushes itself over and
just let out this massive roar. Instinctively, this off duty
officer shoots twice. Boom, boom. He sees it's kind of
that twilight time where he could see the splatter boom

(45:14):
and then it falls and then he hearsh he gets
out of there. They speed out of there. This was
on a Saturday Monday. He goes back to his little
office there in town and his commanding officer said, Hey,
before we get started for the day here, I need
you to talk to some folks here in the back.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
You don't mind, get kid.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
He goes at the bike. There is a Texas Texas Ranger.
There is a Texas Game ranger and two people across
the table. One's dressed in a suit, black ty skinny tie,
and the other one is in a suit. It looks
like he's green. He's new. He's a little taller, but

(45:57):
it's in a suit too. He looks a little scared,
but he's following the lead of the other guy. They
don't say a word he gets in there. Long story short,
the person that spoke the most was the Texas ranger,
very brash, very in your face. And the game and
finally the Texas game warden takes a chair, he scoots
it up to this officer and he says, look, we're

(46:20):
all law enforcement here. I'm going to be frank with you.
We've known about these creatures for years. Some are aggressive,
some are not. We advise you not to say anything
to anybody, but we've known about them for years and
years and years. And so the officer said, okay, he said,
you have to take you where that's at. And then
the game. The Texas marshall basically said, Texas ranger said no,

(46:47):
don't go. I know where it's at. Don't you ever
go to that place again? And again very brash with
his personality. The two guys across the table, he said,
just look like they could drill a hole in him.
Were just staring him down. And long story short, he
lost his job in a week, couldn't find work in
law enforcement for up to two years. Everywhere he went,

(47:12):
he just couldn't get a job. And he always felt
that that incident was following him until one day he
applied at a small town. He didn't tell me which state,
he said. The commanding officer said, you know, I was
told not to hire you because of a bigfoot incident.
And he goes, what I knew something was up. I

(47:33):
knew it, he said, But on my better I'm going
to hire you because everybody in this town has had
their own personal encounter with sasquatch, so if they know
about your story, it's not going to matter. And so
that was a really interesting story. I bring that up
basically because the Texas Game Ranger and the Texas Ranger

(47:55):
both knew and said, we know about the sasquatch. We
know there, and so they just admitted it to this officer.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
What's the is there? What what's your definition of dog man?

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I've been asked this a lot, and I guess to
put it simply, it's kind of like, and I'm probably
gonna use a movie to explain some of it. But
think of a wolf, just a standard wolf in your mind,
like you would see a zoo, and we're and amplify
the physical features of that wolf, make it about five

(48:35):
to seven times bigger, therefore five to seven times heavier
on average, make the ears taller and pointed anywhere from
eight to ten inches, make the muzzle larger, the eyes larger,
a feature that's not typically found on a wolf. That

(48:55):
these dog men tend to have a lot that people
state they see very clearly in summer up close around
the head and shoulders that have like a mane, like
a lion, like an extra layer of hair. The other
exaggerated features a very skinny waist, but the shoulders are

(49:15):
massively wide like that of a man, hence the dog man.
The muscularity of the creature is much more beyond a
typical wolf of canine. I know that there are some
domesticated dogs that are very muscular in like pit bolls
and some other mountain breeds that are very very muscular,

(49:39):
but this is an exaggerated level. I asked this question
to a buddy of mine that is kind of on
our team. He's not a podcaster, but we go out
and we hunt these creatures at night because he made
he's a predator call maker of about forty years and
he really uses a an oscilloscope to overlay frequencies. He

(50:04):
called the dog man in western Oklahoma in twenty thirteen,
and I asked him. I did an interview and we
kind of hit it off. Well, we've been friends ever since,
and I've asked him a million times, Dave, what did
you see? What did you see? He said, Lance, The
best thing I can describe was the movie that came
out during that time. Watch the movie Van Helsing and

(50:25):
take one of those werewolfs. Paint it black, make the
eyes just as yellow amber yellow you can. And that's
what I saw. And that's pretty terrifying. And he was terrified,
he admittedly told me for the first time in thirty
eight years of hunting predators at night, bobcats, mountain lions,

(50:47):
coyotes in the thousands, his hands were shaking and his
own words, I didn't have enough gun, Lance, I was scared.
This thing was massive.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Is is it a situation, I mean, through your own research?
Is it a situation of something supernatural, interdimensional? Or is
it an undiscovered species? Or is it something else altogether?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
What a great question. I've been asked this a lot,
and I don't even know if I can tangibly isolate
down to just one answer, honestly, because it's it could
be all those. But for me, Lance, I still say
that it is something that's been around a long time.
It's been in isolated areas or pockets of whether it's

(51:45):
a state, a region, part of the country that's had
time to reproduce. And I think the government or non
governmental agencies have I guess you could say stumbled upon them,
but really they know about them. They study them. They
those that are accidental, whether intentional or unintentionally shot, or

(52:08):
meet its demise from a truck hitting one, they've been
collecting them and studying them. I to me, I think
they're something that is honestly, in my opinion, more biblically
based from Genesis sixty six.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
M okay, okay, let's stay right here.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Because of what you said with the supernatural abilities.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Right right, right, right of course, are they an apex predator?
Do they attack humans?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Well?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Are they vegetarians and don't eat meat?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
You know?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Well, if you look at you know, I remember back
when I was in school, I was taking this gross
anatomy course, and I remember something where we talked about
structure and function. If you want to see you look
at something how it's built, Well, that'll tell you what
it eats, It'll tell you what it hunts. We know
that eyes in the front hunt, eyes to the side hide.

(53:09):
So this creature the eyes are massive as well as
other features. Its ears are pointing forward, but can also articulate,
It can find sound. It looks like a predator. It's
a canine. But there's a lot of aspects to it,
on its intelligence, on its sheer speed, and how it's built,

(53:30):
like somewhere between a bodybuilder, a gymnast, and a world
class Olympian athlete, that it's far beyond any current apex
predator we're aware of. I mean, it would be the
equivalent of like a velociraptor, but canine. And so if

(53:53):
you look at how it's built, I would say it
is a meat eater. In fact, the call that my
buddy made that brought by the way, that was the
first time he used that call. He called it out
over a mile away, and he could see it coming
in because it was black against the brown kind of landscape.
He thought he called in a bear. It was so big,

(54:14):
and when it stopped out at four hundred yards, it
went from four legs and started walking around on two.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
That was my next question, So are okay again? We
need to stay right here I find this so interesting.
Sure it is the intelligence of that they are avoiding humans,
and I mean, there's gotta be well, I don't know,
may bee, inner dimensional, maybe something biblical, it could be

(54:41):
something else for sure, but they must have they must
have a town. You know, a town you know they Yeah,
I don't know what you would call a pack of dogmen,
but but you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
I mean that, yeah, there's still a pack they the
way I look at it, I don't want to be
I don't claim to be the all knowing of dog man,
but I know enough that based on my buddy, who
has been a forty year predator hunter, and what he's
taught me, and what I've learned through, you know, as

(55:20):
a kid hunting and being out in the woods and
knowing how predators, what they gravitate to. Predators are typically
they're driven by sound and sight. You can fool them
with sound, you can never fool them with smell. That's
the that's one thing. So most of them are sight

(55:41):
driven and sound driven. And so you think sound driven,
what are you talking about? You're talking another animal in distress.
So another animal that is meat, meat substance.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
An injured fish, an injured fish. Sharks can hear.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
That, yes, And so I even have an account of
a guy that had just got through having surgery, abdominal
surgery that was up in the up Northern I think
it was of Lake Superior, and he was biking and he, oh,
he caught himself because he was still having some problems.

(56:20):
He was on the trail by himself and he was groaning,
and he said shortly after that he saw something on
the rocks just bounding coming his way. Well, it was
a dog man creature coming in. So did it hear
the sound of this guy groaning?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (56:35):
You know, That's what we wondered after I got through
doing the interview. The guy was scared. I mean, he
didn't know what was coming in bounding on the rocks
on two legs. But you know, you're definitely hitting on
some great questions. I think this creature, that it's been
around for a while, I think that there is, in
my mind, there's some biblical aspects to it. And that's

(56:57):
the reason why these men in black they want to
subdue this and suppress this information, because I think that anytime,
in my opinion, that you can somewhat validate a Christian
doctrine and or this creature has been directly responsible for injury,

(57:19):
if not other possible deceased individuals, then you want to
keep it quiet. Heaven forbid this information gets out, because
how many millions of dollars we be lost in recreation lands,
national park entry fees, recreation hiking, fishing, biking, canoeing, all

(57:40):
those things. You're talking billions and billions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, dog man crossing right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, be all.
But we're gonna we're up against a break, but really quick,
and I'll set this up for our our return.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Sure that.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
This particular dog man, I would almost call it an attack,
jumps on to the side of a semi trucks, sticks
his head into the window. But he didn't bite the driver.
That's that's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
It is? But you did hit on something extremely important
that there is a level of They're not afraid of us.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Not afraid of a semi truck, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
No, And that is not the first time that's happened.
It's happened many other times, I believe, and I know
I've had a handful personally of people contact me that
are truck drivers out on the lowly, lonely, desolate roads
of Nevada, Texas, Michigan, Florida. That they've seen these creatures

(58:53):
run up alongside the truck now as well as delivery vans,
ups trucks and Amazon delivery trucks.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I was just in Peru and I was watching dogs
chase people on motorcycles. Hilarious, hilarious to see that go down.
But it does happen, now, it does. What about again
ru up against the break? We'll pick this up when
we come back the Wolfman movies, stories, folklore, mythology that

(59:26):
goes back when we're talking about dog Man. Are we
also talking about the Wolfman? Is it the same?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I don't think so. I think that it's possible that
this creature, they've extrapolated this, the physicality of this creature
into more of a humanistic quality for Hollywood. That's just
my opinion what we're talking about here. You know a

(59:56):
lot of people will say, well, this is a skin walker,
this is that, and the features on it. You know,
the skin walker can look so many different things, but
really this creature is a creature of its own. Now,
there's variations in color, there's definitely variations in size, The
one thing that I would say that's overall arching that

(01:00:19):
makes this creature very, very scary, aside from its features,
is its intelligence. It's not the average intelligence of a
canine like we have domestic dogs like malin Wahs that
you know are trained for highly trained for police officer use.
We're talking way above on intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
The There are a lot of four legged creatures in
nature that walk on two legs, Bears, raccoons, squirrels, whatever, right,
there's plenty of them. Dogs. But yes, when the reports
of dog men on two legs, is it because it's

(01:01:04):
walking bipedal or is it just standing up on two
legs like other four legged creatures do? No? Does it
have hands or pause?

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Great question. A lot of the times, I would say,
at least fifty percent of the time, when I'm interviewing someone,
because of the daylight, the twilight, because there's brush in
the way or high weeds, and because or it was running,
they really don't get adequate visual of a hand because

(01:01:38):
it was moving too fast or a foot. I will
say that, But when they do describe it, like my
buddy Wiley who was using a military grade scope, it
was standing still, it was walking around, but it wasn't running.
He looked at it from top to bottom, and he
said that it actually did not have paws. It had

(01:02:00):
hands digits like we do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
And he said, if you were to take a raccoon
hand times ten and put on an inch to an
inch and a half long black claw on it, that's
what it had for its upper hands. Its lower legs
still had the reverse dog hawk like a leg. Okay,

(01:02:23):
but that its feet did not have digits. It had.
It had like a metatarsal pad and toes like a dog.
But everything else, like I said, was exaggerated in size
and the sheer speed it was. Wiley said it this way.
It walked as comfortable, in fact, more so on two

(01:02:46):
legs than it did on four, because it came in
on four legs to his sound, stood up, walked around
for a little bit, trying to catch the sound again. Well,
he's like, I'm not going to call again. That thing
is trying to find me. But here's the thing. It
ran away on two legs faster.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
That scares the crap out of me. And then throw
in the opposing thumbs like a raccoon. Yes man and intelligence, Yeah,
that's a pretty scary situation. Lance, you stay right there.
Our guest tonight, Lance high Tower, host of Monster nine
to one one, is with us tonight. We're talking about
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Lance high Tower is with this host of Monster nine
one one. We're talking about dog man, cryptids and all
of that stuff. I'm here to get my learn on. Lance.
Are dogmen solid? You know what I mean? Okay, there's

(01:07:53):
not there are any reports of them you translucent or
see through or something, or are we talking talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Well, yeah, I mean that's you know, we were talking
about earlier about kind of contentious debates going on within
the community, and that's kind of one of them. Even
with Sasquatch, there is there is some hard lined groups
that believe that this dog man is can vaporize, it

(01:08:25):
can go through walls. And I'm not saying they can't.
I'm just saying that I have never seen one do that.
I was very fortunate, or I guess you could say
unlucky in many ways. My buddy and I Wiley, we
went out one time and did not expect midday. We
were just glassing over a point in western Oklahoma. We

(01:08:46):
didn't even have our fires with us, and we believed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
You didn't have your firearms with you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Well, it's kind of like the way the roads are
designed there. You can you just park off the side
of the road and they're just each road looks the
same for miles and miles of miles. So we go
through a bob war fence and you get you got
to sneak up high on a knoll and then you
can glass out for hundreds of meters. And so we
were just trying to find an ideal place. In fact,

(01:09:14):
we were just coyote hunting that particular weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
And you live in Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Yes, so to get out where we go. In fact,
this place is where Wiley had his encounter back in
twenty thirteen. And so this is a well known region
of the country in the Panhandle, like Cimarron in Beaver County,
and it's you know, it's rolling hills, sagebrush ravines with cottonwoods,

(01:09:43):
but the landscape looks about the same when it comes
to the winter. It's kind of a brown sagey, rolling
sand hills kind of landscape. So we were out there
just glassing. We probably walked from the truck not even
twenty yards, and when we were looking out to glass
the next point where we wanted to go coyote hunt,

(01:10:04):
we caught the glimpse of four of these creatures out
about six hundred meters and we believe that's what they
were because the blue grass, the blue grass that's out
on the planes out there, it's about four feet high.
And we saw a black one that was sitting there,
in fact, looking right in our direction. And we saw

(01:10:24):
two that were kind of a reddish brown that were
kind of walking around, and one that was kind of
a silvery white. And when they were walking, those that
were walking around, that blue stem grass that was about
four feet high, because it was the same where we
were at, it was just natural out on the plains,
was coming to its underbelly, walking on all fours, so

(01:10:49):
it was very large. We I was I was still bothered,
even being about six hundred meters out, but we saw
these creatures. That black one never took its eyes off
of us. The three walked through the grass over the knoll,
and then the black one was the last one, and
it looked it was kept looking at us, and then
it just walked off and went over the old So yeah,

(01:11:13):
I think these creatures in my opinion, I mean, what
I saw was physical. I didn't see any missed. I
didn't see anything disappear. I saw them walk away, wile
he saw the same thing. He saw one run away.
I had another gentleman I interviewed. Actually it was kind
of a neighbor. As the crow flies, He's only about
five miles from where I live, and he saw one

(01:11:34):
on the side of the road, and he said he
mistook it for a cedar tree. It was that large.
And when he took a second glance he looked at
it only about maybe fifteen twenty feet away from his car,
he could see that it's muzzle because of how large
it was at the base and how it came up

(01:11:55):
with its ears pointing and it's muzzled down looking at
him as he drove off, it looked like a cedar tree.
And on a second glance, he's like, oh my gosh,
And then he wanted to keep his eyes on the road.
He went down, turned around and came back and then
it was gone. But he told me sitting down, it
was well over six feet tall.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Were you scared? I mean six hundred meters is close, right, right? Okay,
I'm how long? How okay? So a track at a
high school that's four hundred and forty yards, right, that's
a quarter mile. That's so unwine that into a straight line, Dude,

(01:12:36):
that's too close for me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Yeah. It's one of those things where I've learned from
that moment. I'm always going to have some my camera
with me or something. And that's the thing that a
lot of people say, well, if you saw it, how
come you to get a picture? Well, because my cell
phone was in the truck. It was just a go
through the bob wire. Let's take a look. But you know,

(01:13:00):
we're going to go to the next knoll. Let's just
take a look. We're focused on what we were going
to do. We're coyote hunting. I didn't think about bringing
my camera. I didn't think about bringing the gun. I
was just taking my my binoculars. And that's what Wiley did.
We were going to get back in the truck in
ten minutes. And so I've learned that take the time

(01:13:20):
to do what you need to do. I'll always take
my side arm with me. Now, I had it, but
I just didn't have it on my hit. We just
got through taking a break. And so that's what happens
a lot when people you know on the show, they go, well,
how come the person didn't get a picture? How come
they didn't shoot? Well, I can tell you right now,
not everybody is a journalist and has a camera rolling

(01:13:41):
twenty four to seven. And when you see something that
is you've never seen before, it creates this disconnect from
what you know to what you don't know, and that disconnect,
this dissidence. You don't remember you brought your cell phone
that has a camera or a video. You forget that
you've got a gun on your side, or you know,

(01:14:02):
a rifle slung over your shoulder. You're just trying to
process the psychology. What the heck am I looking at?

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
And it's usually so fast. Yes, I have seen hundreds
of UFOs. I have photographed one. Okay, it's just the
way that it just happens so fast and so quick.
The time that it takes to take out your phone,

(01:14:32):
click on the camera and point it. Whatever you're interested
in is gone, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Done, and you you nailed it on the spot right there.
It's like you see it. It's gone right right, It's
just the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Back to your sighting. Did they give a crap about you?

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
No, it's like the other three didn't know we were there.
But what was frightening about it was the sheer size
that I could see. And the part that was a
little frightening was the black one that was upright. And
by the time we were looking, my buddy said, the
black one's looking right at us. He sees us. But

(01:15:20):
there was no aggressiveness, obviously, he just was sitting there
and looking right in our direction the whole time, didn't
take his eyes off and he obviously was the alpha.
A lot of people don't realize, or some people may,
you know, realize that when it comes to the wolfs,
the natural wild indigenous wolves, the alpha doesn't lead the pack.

(01:15:43):
It follows the pack. And that's what this one did.
The other three left and then this one was there
just probably about another ten seconds or so thirteen seconds,
and then got up and then made a yui and
went back and followed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Rest Have you ever so have you had a close
up encounter.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Not for me personally, Wiley, like I said, his was
out about four hundred yards, but The scope he was
using was a military grade scope, and so when he
put it, when he moved it from he doped it
in from ten to twenty four power. It's like you
looking at me right now. He could see the eyes,

(01:16:26):
he could see the ears twitching, he could see the
saliva coming off the gums, he could see the claws,
he could see the neck, the chest, everything. And because
it's like you're standing two feet at twenty four power
at four hundred yards, it's like you're standing two feet
from it. I did interview a young man out in

(01:16:47):
the Panhandle of Texas some years ago that he in
this town he lived at they have a huge cattle industry.
In fact, you can smell the town before you come
to the town. And he shared an encounter story that
was really quite hair raising. He noticed that there was

(01:17:10):
a lot of people in the neighborhoods putting up where's
lost pet. I can't find fufu, I can't find a cat,
I can't find a dog, all kinds of dogs, mainly
little dogs. And he noticed where he lived, around the
golf course about the evening time or twilight, there is dogs.
They would start this barking and then it would just

(01:17:32):
keep going down the homes and it was just this
continuous bark that would just last for an hour and
then it would just fade. But this was regular, every night,
every week, and he thought to himself, being an avid outdoorsman,
there's something going on in the back alley or somewhere.
There's a predator. There's a predator around. There's too many

(01:17:52):
pets gone, and the dogs go crazy, the big dogs
go crazy at a certain time. So him and his
buddy got a wild idea where would this thing hide. Well,
the closest they could find was just on the perimeter
of a golf course. The top of the golf course
nice and manicured, but the deep ravines were rugged, untouched,

(01:18:14):
wooly bottoms. So he had an idea, He's going to
go in the bottom with a firearm and his buddy's
going to get on top and just start throwing rocks
in and just keep working their way down and see
if they cause anything to come out. Well, it worked.
They got a little ways down, he threw some rocks
and something came up that was dark that he told
his buddy on a walkie talk He said, something is moving.

(01:18:36):
Just hang on, don't throw any more, and as it
came out, he came almost face to face with this
dog man like creature. It was black in color, yellow eyes.
This gentleman said that he was about five eight to
five nine in height, and he was looking eye to
eye with this creature only about fifteen yards away. He

(01:18:58):
had a gun already on it as it came out
of this these saplings, and the creature had no idea
he was there. The wind was right, and this guy
was super silent, and as this creature came out to
the clearing, it saw the guy, and he said the
look that this creature gave was like if it could talk,
as in his words, he said, it's like you got me,

(01:19:22):
you got me. And he said the look in its face,
its ears didn't go back like it was getting ready
to attack. It's just had that look like you got me,
you fooled me, shoot me. But the guy said that
after having the gun on it, he just realized it
wasn't going to attack, so he lowered the gun and
I said what did the creature do? And he said

(01:19:44):
he said, oh, I was frightened when I saw the
size of it, because I didn't know what I was
looking at. He said it just kind of turned and
walked back into the tree line. Wow, and he just
let it go. But he said, this thing was at
least five to six hundred pounds. It was yellow eyes.
It was the same height as he was on all fours.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Yellow eyes and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Yellow eyes, like it was just beer yellow amber eyes.
Just the gaze. He said, the eyes were so yellow
they were like emeralds.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
What about let me ask you about footprints, any footprints,
any castings.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Yes, we had one. I've got a casting. It's not
the best because it was casted in sand where we
go out there in western Oklahoma and call the sand
is like powder, So it doesn't give justice to nice
clear marketed like it's not like in mud where it's
a perfect, perfect print. But it was large enough. I

(01:20:48):
went ahead and casted it. Because the print is still
it's still massive. I mean, my dog, my personal dog here,
he's one hundred and ten pounds and he can't make anywhere.
It's like he would have to have three times the
size that this this cast that we have in the sand.
But there's other people that's casted prints and they're massive

(01:21:12):
in size and even wiley. During that time in twenty thirteen,
he had his encounter. He saw a print. It was
on a gopher mound. He got out of his truck
and he looked down. It was right in the middle
of the road. It was gopher mount. He thought someone
was playing a joke on him out at this because
he parked near a whl pump. He said that it
was as he said, it was as big as like
a pie plate. And he looked around. He's like, who's

(01:21:33):
trying to yank my chain? Here? This is you know,
he thought it was a joke, like someone's trying to
mess with him. But he said, I realized that was
kind of silly because I'm out in the middle of nowhere.
But there's been people cast him. I have one that
we casted. But you know, I'm always on the lookout
for in Oklahoma. It's just sheer luck to get a
great print anywhere, just because the soil is so different,

(01:21:56):
the trains are different, and the moisture content. We've got
to really look around creek beds where there's mud things
like that, especially after rains. Around lakes or ponds, those
are the best places to look or around kind of
a shady moisture, kind of a sleuly bottomed streams, things

(01:22:18):
like that, that's the best place to look for prints.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
What about DNA hair samples.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Well, there's been some samples. There's a there's a project
that has been going on for a while. It had
a she's a geneticist, doctor mel Ketch, And this was
some years ago. But I knew a gentleman. I know
a gentleman that was involved in that genome project. And
apparently we read some of the studies in that. One

(01:22:48):
of the samples, if not more, I don't recall how many,
now was a specimen of a dog man. I don't know.
I forget what the specimen was, but there was enough
genetic material that they were able to test it. That
gets into some interesting findings because the way the findings

(01:23:11):
came out was that there was some canine qualities to it,
but then there was some other qualities that I understand,
and I wish I knew more of the specifics of that. Again,
I'll have to reread that study. That there was aspects
of it that wasn't natural. Is the way that came out?

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Meaning what.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Meaning that the way part of that study said that,
and there was like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Yes, genetically.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Yes, the sasquatch materials or the specimens they had fell
under being more natural, whereas the dog man there was
parts of it that looked more synthetic or lab designed.
If you will, and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
I know I'm like sounding like woo woo. Any communication,
any telepathic communication. We can certainly talk to our dogs telepathically.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Right, they know what's going on, right right?

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
What about that with dog man?

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Well, I haven't heard that, but what you do hear
a lot of is what I was telling saying earlier,
is that with a lot of first accounts of eyewitnesses,
first hand accounts, what you have are people saying that,
And I mean, I've got I can do name three
or four encounters where people said that when they saw

(01:24:45):
this creature and this creature saw them, they didn't hear
any words, but the meaning was very clear based on
the way it looked at him, what the intention was
either for the person to do or not do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Intelligence, Intelligence that the creatures are smart.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Yes. One guy had an encounter in Tulsa County in
his backyard. Neighbors to the side of him and to
the back across this water draining system. So there's homes
all in this area. Two in the morning, there's a
ruckus going on with his dog. He turns on the
back light sees something. It looks kind of shadowy, so
he goes back and gets a headlamp light shines it,

(01:25:30):
and what he sees is the back end of this creature.
The shoulders, or he said, are massively wide four four
and a half feet wide. It squatted down and he's like,
what is it squatted down? Well, a couple days before
he put out thirty pounds of stale dog food on
the other side of his fence. It was bent down
eating this stale dog food, and he's like, what am

(01:25:54):
I looking at? He could just see pointing things coming out,
which was the years, And as it turned on side
to him, he looked at it and saw this canine
and he's like, oh my gosh. And then it did
something that I've never heard of. It actually shook its head. No, like,
don't do it. Whatever it is, don't do it. And

(01:26:16):
he got scared and he's he didn't. He's like, I'm
not going outside, but he said I saw I distinctively
saw it shake its head.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
No, it would work for me. That would work for me.
That would work for me, and that that is actually
a pretty frightening aspect of this that it is. I'm
definitely sentient, right and yes, and intelligent. It makes me
wonder if they can sense what a gun is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Oh absolutely, I've got numerous. Again, these are people that
are really not into this genre. They don't do you know,
cryptid shows, they don't do reading, they do a new
podcast shows. But these are people for the first time,
in a fraction of a second, that found out these
creatures are real. And they said that. A handful of

(01:27:06):
them said when they reached for their firearm or went
to get a firearm, this creature, you could he said,
it knew what I had in my hand, and it
either shook its head like don't do it, or its
eyes got larger. But in the case in point, as
I said earlier of the truck driver that fired on
one as he was bringing swinging that firearm around and

(01:27:31):
just before he shot and fired, that creature was looking
in and he said he could see its eyes get
big as saucers. It knew it was a gun.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
How many do you think, I know this is just hypothetical,
but how many are misidentified? Oh that's a bear, Oh
that's a moose. Oh, that's an elk, that's a that's
a buffalo, you know, because it's dark and it's you know,
just completely misidentified.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
I'm going to probably use the Pareto principle here on
this one, Jimmy, because it's almost and I'll just say
that because that's a well known eighty twenty I'll say
probably eighty percent are misidentified, right, And just like I
think eighty percent to ninety percent of the pictures online
are just kind of ai now or hoaxes. I think

(01:28:25):
the ones that are real that are shown on YouTube
or podcast shows are not as dramatic as what we think.
I think unfortunately, the real dramatic ones that would just
raise the hair on the back of our neck never
get filmed. It's that split second they see it, it
does this, and it's gone. But I think that a
lot of them are misidentified because of how large they are,

(01:28:48):
and people, again, it's too scary to believe the reality
of these creatures existence. So what you do is trying
to rationalize the existence of what you know, Oh, that
had to be a mangy bear. That's interesting. I didn't
think bears got red in Oklahoma. That's interesting that I
didn't know, bears run on two legs. So people try

(01:29:08):
to justify in order to bring calm and reality back
to their world. And so in some people, once they
get it tucked away as okay it was that, then
they don't come They just kind of file it and
they don't come back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
The reason why I ask this is because I did
this a lot. I would misidentify and I would also
kind of freak myself out. Let me explain. I spent
a lot of time in northern California and the Pacific Northwest.
And when you are up there, riding around on these

(01:29:46):
back roads, and do you see a herd of elk? Okay,
seeing elk on TV is one thing. Seeing an elk
standing on the side of the road and you drive
ast it and you're looking up and you see the
frigging size of these things, right, They're huge. I saw

(01:30:08):
a bear a few feet from me with her cubs.
It's like three cubs walking behind her. I'd never seen
anything quite that large, you know, ten twelve feet long,
just crushing through close, you know, feet away from me.
And then that's during the day. Yeah, at night, this

(01:30:32):
stuff is still around, right, So now you're driving around
there are no lights, there aren't any but you see
the shadows of wildlife and you start to freak yourself out.
You don't want anything to run in front of your car.
That's the first thing you're aware. But you see this
stuff off, you know what I mean? You see it,

(01:30:55):
You see it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
It's like have you ever been up close to a bus?

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
I've seen those videos.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Though, Okay, yeah, so it's the same premise. Well, there's
a few places in Oklahoma that you can actually go
into these refuges that are on reservations in certain special
protected lands that you can get up close to a
male buffalo, a bull, and the sheer magnitude and size
is just breathless, how large these creatures are. Well, in

(01:31:31):
the words, getting back to my buddy Wiley regarding the
dog man, he just basically and someone actually, I just
did an interview this past week of a truck driver
that saw one in western Texas and he used the
same words as my buddy Wiley. No one is ready
to see this creature. No one is ready. It's it's

(01:31:51):
so frightening how large it is and how it looks,
and if you're seeing it run, your mind is just disconnected.
What am I processing? What am I seeing? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Right? Right right?

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
You can't connect the dots fast enough.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
You can't. No, I'm bringing this point up because it
means a lot. We are talking about a creature dog man,
and we're describing the size of it, and to most people,
they're like blown away. Well, no, there is stuff in
nature that big, and until you see it for yourself,

(01:32:35):
you can't process it. You don't understand how big a
mouse is, an elk, a grizzly bear, a buffalo. You
can't until you see it for the first you know
what blew my mind. I'll give you an example. The
first time I saw a bald eagle up close. Oh yeah,

(01:32:56):
I had no idea. I had no idea. Shoulder shoulder. Here,
I'm gonna switch cameras. Shoulders, shoulder, and eagles shoulders are
like that wide. And until you see a bald eagle
and the size its claws are bigger than your hands,
yeah you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
They're massive.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
They're massive, and that's just nature in general. So when
we're talking about something like the dog man and its size, well,
there's a lot out there like that, and you there
is easily misidentified, especially in the dark.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Yeah, And I think that's part of the dissonance that
people are misidentifying because there seems something so large, they're like, Okay,
in Oklahoma, we only have so many things that get
that large. And so they'll say, is it a calf? No,
what's a calf? Can't run like that on two legs.
It's a horse. I had someone this past week say,

(01:33:54):
what's a horse running on two legs? No, wait a minute,
horses don't do that on two legs. And so so again,
they're running through this file of of what they remember,
or their their file memory bank of what they know.
So when they see what they don't know there it's

(01:34:15):
just this, what am I looking at? So therefore, during
that time there's no pictures, there's no video, they don't
even forget what they're doing. And then it's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
And so and apex predators, And I would say, you know,
I'm not I'm not some that, not geo naturists out
there shooting videos. I'm not. I'm not any of that.
I'm some expert. But I have been out in nature

(01:34:45):
and I've seen some stuff. And when I see an
apex predator, look at me. They don't give a crap
because they know they can kick my ass, right. Yeah, yeah,
there's no there's an attitude there. I can't really explain it.
I was just up in Wisconsin and a bald eagle

(01:35:10):
came in and landed in this tree above us, and
I was with some friends. I was with Chris Bledsoe
and his family. We're out there. This bird, magnificent by
the way, is just yards from us in the tree. Okay,
looking at us like this, Wow, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
Just didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
No, no, And so there is that attitude there. If
they want to hurt you, they can, but they they're
an apex predator. They're not threatened by anything, and they're
not really threatened by us. And I just find that
part compelling with your sighting specifically, nothing attacked you because

(01:35:53):
they don't really give a crap.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
No, I was nervous, and why they started getting nervous again.
But here's the thing that takes I wasn't like panicked,
because I would rather be I'm mentally prepared for seeing
it if I ever saw it, So it's better to

(01:36:16):
be prepared rather than panic. So I've rehearsed numerous times,
and with Wiley, I've asked him so many different questions
over the years of his encounter that we have special firearms,
we have special custom ammo. We're well aware of that.
When we use his call, it's time to stay alert.

(01:36:40):
And the whole goal there isn't to go out and
take one out. The whole goal is to capture one
on footage because it's so rare, very rare to get
one on video, whether it be kind of thermal or daytime.
But that is my goal is to get that. And
you asked something earlier about it's if it's afraid of us,

(01:37:04):
and based on a lot of the interviews that I've
done and including Wiley's, I think it ran from Wiley
because it smelled him. It never saw him, it smelled him.
But out of the numerous interviews, I don't see that
they were frightened. A lot of the times they were

(01:37:24):
coming into a truck or a car, they stared down.
They didn't leave like a typical predator, like a coyote.
If you come up on a coyote and it's roadkill
and you drive over hill, they'll just boom, They're gone.
They'll leave. Bobcats are kind of the same way. Now

(01:37:46):
Mountain lions are a little bit different ducks, so to speak,
that you got to be careful about them because they're
a little bit bigger and they know they're a little
bit bigger compared to you, so they might come in
after you. But for the most part, predators in general
will leave. This creature doesn't seem most of the encounters
to really care whether you're there or not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
You mentioned earlier, I want to circle back. You mentioned
biblical why.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Well, if you look at scripture in Genesis where it
talks about the beast of the earth, about and Nephelin,
which has been spoken us many many times on podcast shows.
They talk about supernatural abilities of these fallen angels. And

(01:38:39):
when we hear the word angel, we think angelic and
beauty and just amazing beauty in and of itself. But
when I hear that, I think of something a fallen angel,
something that's not angelic, something that's beastly, and I think

(01:38:59):
of and I when you read supernatural, that is a
term that you see you hear of many times by eyewitnesses.
It had supernatural speed. I've never seen anything in my
life run that fast on two legs. I've never seen
anything jump that high. I've never seen anything over and

(01:39:22):
over look that way again, you use this word supernatural
comes up many times by eyewitnesses, and so that's I
believe personally that the Bible doesn't give all the answers,
but it hits on some some what's been here a

(01:39:44):
long time. It doesn't have sasquatch in the Bible, of course,
or dog man or rake or mothman, those creatures. But
I believe that there are beasts that were trying to
corrupt the Sea of Christ and that they were given abilities,
and angels are given supernatural abilities, even the bad ones.

(01:40:07):
So that's just my personal opinion. That's how I can
categorize it. And that's where a lot of people are.
But some people are not that belief, and that's okay.
We're all trying to figure it out. But the bottom
line is, you know, when we get into some of these,
we go to a conference, I just say, let's dis
agree to disagree. What we do know is that they're here.
People are seeing them of all walks of life, in

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different terrains, different states, and they're scary, but they're here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Are you religious?

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Yeah, I'm a man of faith.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
You're a man of faith. Yes, I'm only bringing that up.
You know, I'm spiritual. I was baptized something when I
was a kid. But yeah, but I find the Bibles
uh descriptions very very interesting, and I've always felt that

(01:41:07):
it's all based on on fact. Maybe turned into metaphor
at some point for some reason. Okay, that's fine, that's fine,
But but based on fact, that's you know, is it?

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
It like a strange depiction of what we would define
as science fiction today? You know, what what is? What
is an angel? Is an angel? E? T I don't
I don't know. Is the description of heaven? Is that

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just the universe? And they use the word heaven and
it's been twisted around to these different things. I don't know,
but I think I think that it's an it's a
historical reference.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeah, I think that there's some Again, this is just
Lance's version of what how I can process and file
away so I can, because it'll drive you crazy trying to.
You know, the mind is designed. The human mind is
designed to find solutions and answers, period. And when we don't,

(01:42:21):
we just we'll just keep going and going and going
and going. But in order for me not to drive
myself crazy, and so I could sleep at night. I
think that scripture is designed in such a way that
doesn't have to explain everything. I think that there's aspects
of scripture that we're just not ready to understand yet.

(01:42:42):
Maybe someday we'll know. But I think that what I
do know is that I feel that there's some biblical association.
I don't know how or exactly where, but I think
that these creatures, with the abilities they have, it just
blows my mind that, you know, people will use the

(01:43:03):
word again supernatural, and I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
I mean, okay, okay, I love where this is going.
So just let me ask. I'm here to learn, okay,
so just teach me something. So was the purpose the
job of the dog men where they like guarding the
gates of hades?

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
Oh? Great?

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
What were their purpose?

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Well, you know that's another great question, because I've asked
this myself. You know, you know where we live in
the country, I hate wasp. I just despise wasp. But
I know they're pollinators. But I get stung multiple times
every summer, and I'll be on the porch. I'll talk
to my wife like in my heat, and I'll say,

(01:43:52):
why did God design wasp?

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
What's their purpose?

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
I hate them. So I asked the same thing when
it comes to these dogs, Man, what is the purpose
of putting an apex predator? That If you put a
man with no firearm, no knife up against this predator,
I can tell you who's going to win. It's the predator.
And man is considered somewhat a predator too, right eiesen

(01:44:18):
front hunt and so man has always been that that's
how we've survived. But I just, I mean, that's a
great question. What is their purpose? Well, obviously it's to thrive.
It appears that they are multiplying. There's more and more
people could say, well, are they multiplying or is it

(01:44:39):
just people reporting it? More? We have internet, we got podcasts,
and I'm going to say, well, yeah, I agree with that.
But it sure appears that they have been able to
populate very well in wherever they go, and their sightings
are all over I mean Oklahoma, just within my little locale,

(01:45:02):
within say, I don't know, ten miles, fifteen miles I
have and these are the people that's just called me.
Who knows how many haven't called me? Well, never know that,
of course, But I have had from twenty sixteen to present,
maybe about twenty twenty two sightings to date since twenty sixteen. Wow,

(01:45:28):
and that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Oklahoma. Oh, so I'm out writing my Harley just make
this really quick. Six months ago and I've got my lights.
I have many writing jackets, but I had this light
summer breathe through jacket on right. It's Harley jack but
it's real thin, right writing, and this frigging wasp lands

(01:45:57):
right on the inside of my elbow. So my arm
is so I'm I'm writing, and it lands right here
on the inside of my jacket and I feel it
right like land on me. So I looked down and
this dude was stinging me multiple times through the jacket.

(01:46:19):
His tail was going dud, dud, dude. I was. I
was doing sixty miles an hour watching this guy with
his tail whack whack, whack whack. And I brushed and
it hurt, obviously, and uh and I brushed him off.
I thought, what why, why, why'd you do that to me?

(01:46:40):
And it was vicious, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Behind you? What's that In the meantime, the higher patrol
officer is watching you swerve.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no kidding, no kidding. So yeah, that's
when you seriously. Uh, that's when you go biblical. God,
what's the.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Purpose of this, right, I didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
I didn't do anything, but the the stories of I'm
meant to let's stay on the biblical side, you know,
the blues songs and the the the folklore hell hound
on my trail, right, these stories they must be talking

(01:47:25):
about dog man and also and staying on this hell
hound on my trail, the reports of legless dogmen.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Legless Yeah, I've not heard of that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Okay, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna share this with you. Yeah,
really quick. I just want your reaction. This is near
Skinwalker Ranch, and I had this person on my show
it was probably ten years ago that lived not too
far from skin Walker and who met another friend of

(01:48:06):
mine that was up there doing some research and gets
him on the show. So I'm talking to him. He
has a house and he said terrifying by the way,
that they had a legless dog man living in the

(01:48:27):
barn behind their house. Yep. And he said sometimes they
would pull up at night in the family car and
the creature was hanging out in front of their house
and then would run back. But he said it didn't
have legs, red eyes, but just this giant, giant dog

(01:48:51):
creature and it lived in the back of their property.
And I always found that really really the matter of fact,
the way that the story was told to me, they
just dealt with it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
That would be terrifying. Yeah, that would be terrifying. Having
no legs like that, I mean that would be I mean,
just the full body of one let alone. Seeing something
that has no legs like that, that would be really terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Almost an entity, you know, described entity.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I wonder too about what
you said. How many of what we've seen in the past.
You know, when people say talk about were wolves and things,
were they really seeing a dog man creature. I think

(01:49:43):
it's very very possible, very possible. How far back they go,
I no one really knows, but we do know that before,
you know, and I don't know who coined the term
dog man, I really don't. I know, it was really
kind of hot and heavy with that term about. It

(01:50:06):
came on the scene maybe about fifteen years ago. Yeah,
and then it really started a bit before that. It's
almost like even sasquatch, before sasquatch and bigfoot became this
common term prior to that, it was there was many.
I mean in Oklahoma there was the old Reno Chickenman

(01:50:29):
and in various places. I did an interview with an
older gentleman who his dad worked for the logging company
at Wierhauser down in southeast Oklahoma. And this was before
there was any paved roads back at that day. That day,
but they called them boogers, sasquatch. They were boogers. And
it was such a commonality in seeing them cross these

(01:50:50):
logging roads that the dad told the son that the
truck logging supervisor would call the guy the new guy
up before they went out, and he said, now, when
you see a booger, don't hit it. Just leave them alone.
Let him be and it will you leave it alone,
It'll leave you alone. I mean, it was such a

(01:51:11):
common thing. And I asked this gentleman how often would
his dad see them, and he said, oh, two, three
times a week. He used to like to go down
to a part of the creek and he'd watch him
trying to fish, dicking, getting their hand dug into the
water and grab for fish. And I said what he said, Oh, yeah,
it was a People would watch them and they called

(01:51:33):
them boogers, but they went by they went by different names.
That was a kind of a Southern name, chicken man,
wild man, ape Man. I didn't much hear.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
I saw a couple of times wood ape, but mainly
Boogers is kind of the In fact, these vapor lights
at night, these security lights, some people call them booger lights.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Oh really, and the perimeter Yeah, let me ask you
before we run out of time. Yeah, so many I've
seen this myself, Okay, so many reports of Bigfoot encryptied
prints that start and stop where it appears that something

(01:52:24):
was inter dimensional, came into our reality when physical left
physical trace evidence and then disappears. Same thing with any
reports of dog men like that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
Yes, yes, I've had that happen, and you've had that happen, well,
not me personally. I've interviewed people that have been on
tracks like that and just for no reason. There's no
surrounding trees where something could jump on a tree or
cross a log right for the tracks to disappear. And

(01:53:02):
I've had hunters mainly, I've interviewed that. They've sent me
pictures and the tracks just stopped, like just stop. When
I first started, when I started hearing this from eyewitnesses,
I thought first like, oh, well, they're just kind of
they're not really looking fully around in that area. There

(01:53:22):
could be a log that it jumped on, or a
tree and went to the trees and then we got
back on the ground. But I started hearing this more
and more and seeing people that are pretty legit outdoorsmen
and women that know the woods, they're pretty wood savvy,
and they're like, yeah, no, Lance, the tracks just stopped,
like stopped. And so I'm of the belief now that

(01:53:46):
there's something going on just what you said, either a
level of interdimension in something interdimensional which gets back in
some ways if you want to this whole fallen angel
you know, aspect, but there's something going on very strange
with that. There's too many credible people that will describe

(01:54:12):
something just flat out disappearing before their eyes, and or
hunters tracking something very large and they'll show me prints,
very huge canine prints and they just disappear.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Yeah, for a hunter that's out there tracking and let's
say it's a deer or something out there, they're going
to track at the deer prints, the hoof prints right
in the mud just stopped. What and you know, look
where to go. Well, they would be perplexed and confused.

(01:54:48):
It doesn't make any sense. So these deers are jumping
through portals, right, they're teleporting somewhere. Well, the reports of
cryptids doing this, I've seen it myself. I have seen
the footprint start. I say footprints, Well, I guess they
are footprints. You see them start and stop and you

(01:55:08):
step back, and it's just like, well, wait a minute,
that doesn't make any sense. I don't have an explanation.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
For it, and I really don't either. I mean, that's
a part that I'm still learning. Just what we talked
about before the start of the show, I'm I'm I'm
open minded more than ever I think with the podcast
that I've learned, don't be close minded, be open minded because,
as my buddy Wiley would say, don't judge someone's story

(01:55:36):
just because you weren't there, right and because it sounds
very very bizarre, strange, something you've never heard before. Be
very careful not to judge their story because you weren't there.
How do you know it did not happen? And so
in remaining that way, I've become more open minded than
ever before. That there's just things so mysterious on this

(01:55:59):
planet that I don't have an answer yet, but I'm searching,
I'm looking, and I'm willing to learn, just like you
were talking about as well.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
A couple of things really quick before we say good night,
By the way, perfect conversation. You're working on a book.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
I am. It's my first book, and basically the book
came about after the two cousins I spoke of earlier
in the show. I just it hit me like a
lightning bolt that I need to have a book. You know,
my nature being my backgrounds in healthcare is to help people,
and I feel that I'm still helping people. And when
I was talking to this cousin, we stayed in communication

(01:56:38):
every day for weeks, and about day two it hit me,
like a lightning bolt, you need to write a book
to help people connect the dots. That's my gift. I
can connect dots very fast over patterns, and so the
book is basically helping people guide them through It's a
collection of stories from interviews that I've done, but it's

(01:57:00):
so those are peppered in. Basically, if someone accidentally shoots
a creature, what do you do if you see a creature?
Or and it causes damage to your property. Who do
you call? Who do you not call? If you encounter one?
If prints, what's the best way to if you want

(01:57:20):
to cast prints? Do you tell law enforcement officers or not?
So basically, it's kind of a a guide book, a
comprehensive guidebook, whether you've never had an encounter or you've
had several.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
And where can everybody listen to your podcast? And how
often do you publish?

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's right now. I'm just
kind of in the regrowth of the show kind of
started back last twenty twenty four December. I post a
show about every two weeks and they can get on
YouTube it's Monster nine to one one. I'm on Instagram
Monster nine podcast host, and I'm rebuilding the website as well,

(01:58:07):
so that's kind of under construction right now. And then
on Facebook it's Monster nine one one and again I
post about every other week and it's I've got a
collection of some of the most very very interesting. It's
more than just sasquatching dog man. I've got alien creatures
to rakes and think I don't even have a name

(01:58:28):
for some of these creatures that people are seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
Thank you so much. Lance, great conversation tonight, and I
look forward to our next one. And I do want everybody.
We've got Lance's links up in our chat, but certainly
in the description below, over in our website and throughout
social media. Lance, thank you so much, man, perfect show.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
Thank you so much. I appreciate you. It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Keep doing what you're doing, my man.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
You do the same.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
Thanks so much, brother, Thank you Lance, High Tower Monster one. Again.
We have the links up in the chat, in the
description below, over in our website and throughout social media.
And what am I doing, uh, tomorrow night, Let's see
hold on, let's let's find out. Let's uh what it

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