FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Trevor Grassi

Tonight, filmmaker and researcher Trevor Grassi joins us to discuss the Kafre Project that is using SAR tech to reveal what is under Giza in Egypt... this is one of the most viral subjects right now... and his team is re-writing history... DO NOT MISS THIS SHOW!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is Day to Black with your host Jimmy Church
on the Game Changer Radio Network. Day. All right, good evening,
Fade to Black? How you doing? How you doing Today's Thursday,
August twenty first, twenty twenty five. I mean, o, Jimmy Church,
Let's do this, Mayana. What a great week on Fade

(01:29):
to Black, including the bloopers today in the news. That
was a lot of fun this week on Fad to Black. Monday,
we had Suzanne Ross here talking about souls and simulation.
Tuesday night, riz Urk was here. He's always great when
he's on the show. Living in a simulation. Last night extraordinary,
extraordinary Fade to Black with Dahlia Burgoyne mindsight without Eyes

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and an incredible demonstration of what is going on there.
And then tonight to wrap up this week Thursday night,
Trevor Grossi is with us. We're talking tonight about what
is underneath GISA. Now we'll get into all of this
in a second, but yeah, this has gone entirely viral

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over the last year. And the thing is Trevor has
been again looking into Giza and Egypt for a very
long time. I've been following him for a while and
have made many attempts over the years to get Trevor
on the show, and then all of this stuff blows up,

(02:34):
and I just kind of wanted to let the smoke
clear a little bit because he and the team was
getting pulled from every single direction to comment on this,
and including from myself. But tonight we finally lined it
up and Trevor is with us tonight. We're going to
discover and discuss what is underneath GISA. Now. I want

(02:58):
to remind everybody that I have cleared my calendar for
twenty twenty five. I am concentrating on all of my
travel to just deal with filming, taping beyond Belief through
the end of the year. All right, So there's that,
But in twenty twenty six, I've already got a full
schedule up and more to be added, starting with the

(03:21):
Conscious Life Expo that is February twenty through the twenty
third at the Lax Hilton. I've hosted this event for
now twelve, for thirteen years and it's the biggest and
the best. And then coming right after that is the
Contact Modalities Expo May first through the third, twenty twenty
six in Delavan, Wisconsin at the Delavan Lake Resort. It's

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absolutely beautiful. Come back from that for Contact in the
Desert that is May twenty eight through June first, twenty
twenty six. Tickets on sale this Thanksgiving Day. And then
I go to Peru for the Inca Celebration of the
Sun that is June twenty third through July first, with
Brian Forrester in Peru. I come back from that and

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turn around and head to Scotland for the Monty Python
Tour that is August first through the ninth. I come
back from that and head back to Peru and Eastern
Island with Brian Forrester, and that has taking place in
November twenty twenty sixth. There you go, yeah, wow, it's
gonna be a fun year next year. It was a
fun year. This year wasn't it all right. So, wrapping

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up this week on Fade to Black Tonight, Trevor Grossi
is with us. That is right, it's my Friday, it
is your Thursday. But tonight we're discussing what is underneath
Gisa And here's the deal. Trevor is a researcher, but
he's also a filmmaker and his documentaries are incredible. He's

(04:51):
got a two decade search for the Hall of Wruckers
that he's been moving on with, and the Kafre project
with Karate Milanga and also Filipo BEYONDI and the Stars team.
So we're going to talk about that and those discoveries
and what is under Geeza. We're gonna do all of

(05:14):
that much more tonight with Trevor Galssi. He's right here, Trevor.
It's about time. Man. Oh you're muted. Great way to
start the show off. Okay, you need to click on unmute.
See I told I told Trevor, uh that.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
You said I wouldn't be unmuted when I came in. Okay,
I got it?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Is it is it?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Hey, hey Trevor, Trevor, we're live on the air. Now
we start talking. Yeah, Okay, Trevor, the show has started. Okay, okay,
all right, so relaxed. Take a deep breath. Take a
deep breath. Over the over the years me uh, trying

(06:00):
to get Trevor on the show, He's like, man, you know,
I'm not really ready for this yet. I'm not ready.
And now you know, the moment's here and you're asking
me about audio, Trevor, now's the time to move on. Okay,
all right here.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
There's always so many of those things always come up.
But I'm so glad we're finally doing it.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
May it happen?

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And what you do get is the
first time guest disclaimer. All right, and I know you've
been looking forward to that, so let's get that out
of the way. Trevor. It's just you and I sitting
on my couch having a conversation as friends. And where
the conversation starts, it starts, where it ends, it ends.
But we're going to end as friends. Well we're already friends,
but now you have to accept so we can move on.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
I accept.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
There you go, man, Trevor Grass, Trevor, You're finally here,
and we've got a lot of stuff to discuss tonight
of course, But I want to start with the basics
because although you've been out there doing your documenteries and
I've been following you and watching you find this crazy

(07:05):
stuff on your own on Giza and these tunnels, because
you know I've been to Giza, and how you've pulled
that off is it's just great. I mean, your work
and your efforts have always been there. But and you've
been doing this for so long. Why why Egypt and
why Giza for you? Why this life's devotion?

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well really really started for me with meeting John Anthony West.
His books and his knowledge, his information. It really hooked
me from the start reading the book Stirpent in the
Sky by John which came out in nineteen seventy nine.
That was it. That was really I was always kind
of interested in ancient civilizations, but that's what really hooked

(07:52):
me on it and what convinced me that there was
something here that was worth devoting my whole life too, basically,
something that could have an outcome that could actually be
worth something to all of humanity, something that had a
global significance and impact. And yeah, I don't know, I
kind of started seeing that a lot of things didn't

(08:12):
make sense with our current world, and with John I started,
I started putting together the idea that I think the
answers are in the distant past. And with Giza specifically,
I think the more I learned about it, how it
was kind of the center, the central kind of apex
of the entire grid of pyramids laid out across the
whole planet. Everything about it just spoke to me of

(08:34):
having this global importance. So that kind of got me
started on it. But it was mostly researching, reading books,
Robert Bavall and Graham Hancock and all those guys. John
kind of directed me towards a lot of the stuff
that was worthwhile, and I could, you know, cut past
a lot of the stuff that was just saying the

(08:55):
same things over and over again. And you know, him
finding all this stuff about this, I thinks that was big.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His influence on so many, myself included.
He had a way of presenting the material. But he
also especially with his the original video series. I just
remember this, this painting of the picture. The way that

(09:25):
he did it was so spooky and secret and what
is really going on and why is this being held
from us? And he had a way of delivering it
that way, And I told him early on many probably
thirteen years ago. I told him when he first there's

(09:48):
this video shot of him from god Man. It was
the mid two thousands, that series of videos. Anyway, he's
next to the pill. What's that?

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Magical Egypt?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, magically Egypt. But there was a video, there was
a video promo for that, and he turns and it's
it's like candles, you know, and it's all dark and
and and so well shot. Anyway, he just turns and
looks in the camera. I was like, this is my guy,
this dude right here, this is my guy right yeah.

(10:25):
And Chance, the guy that directed that, uh, he's amazing
and the way that that that information was presented. But
John influenced so many because of that style and the
way that he brought the material out. So yeah, absolutely, big, big,
big hats off to Jaws. I miss him every day.

(10:48):
I miss him every day. So let's get let's get
into this. With all of your work and documentaries and
and and finding stuff on Giza that you've been doing
over the years, that's one thing. But the Stars project
and what that ended up revealing to everybody that took off,

(11:11):
and now you're shot out of a cannon, right and
just completely viral. Were you surprised by the world's reaction
to the information finally getting out?

Speaker 4 (11:25):
There were some surprises in there, for sure. I knew
that was coming, because, you know, I'd been working with
William Brown for a few years, who I've kind of
been filling you in on some of that for people
who don't know. William Brown is a good friend of mine,
and Richard Gabriel as well, or the three of us
have basically been working together for the last few years.

(11:48):
All of us have been working on it for, like
you say, about twenty years or more, but most of
that time for me was in research. I didn't actually
get to Giza until I visited with doctor Shock and
Catherine Ulyssi a bit later. But yeah, I was already
working with William on finding what was underneath the ground
at Giza, because more than anyone I had found in

(12:09):
the past twenty years who was at all related to
that subject or working on it. No one was on
the ground like him. No one was embedding themselves into
the village of donzadel Simon, meeting all the locals, figuring
out how to work the system. It's a very unique
skill set to be able to get things done at Giza.

(12:30):
And so when I went met William, he was he
already had all these GPR scans from right on the plateau,
right on the Sphinx causeway, I mean, holy grail level
of evidence of these anomalies and voids beneath the causeway
up against the pyramid. So I was pretty I was
a couple of years into it with Bill and really
going deep on the information. He already had a lot

(12:52):
of stuff right next to the Sphinx and evidence of
actual tunnels and caves or chambers. Not just get is
they're not just working off of myth and legend. So
when the Copper project, it was really in twenty twenty
two when they put out their first paper, which is
Malana and Beyondi together writing the paper about the interior
structures of the Great Pyramid. That one blew me away.

(13:15):
I mean I'd been, you know, obviously following the Scan
Pyramids team very closely, and they'd been, you know, they'd
already announced this large void above the Grand Gallery, which
is now of course Matt Bell is working on funding
the Scan Pyramids seem to actually drill up there and
get into that with a camera, which is very exciting.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yes, it is, so yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
I just did an interview with him and talked with
him about that a little bit. But when their twenty
twenty two paper came out, I could already see how
it connected to some of the things that William was
already showing me. So yeah, I got right in touch
with them.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, and the the comments over the years, I'm not
going to you know, I don't do this. I don't
talk negatively about people unless it's Zahi high Was, you know,
he's open game. But anyway, when za He and other
Orthodox Egyptologists take the position up, there's nothing, there's nothing here,

(14:24):
there's nothing inside, there's nothing new, there's nothing, there's nothing right,
just this firm position. And then suddenly with the Scans
Pyramid project where we get this void. Were two voids
right in the in the Great Pyramid, one above the

(14:45):
entrance and one above the Grand Gallery. Clearly shows that
there is stuff still undiscovered inside of the Great Pyramid.
And and now things have definitely gone to an entirely
new level. But is it because Egyptology really believes that

(15:07):
that there's nothing up to be discovered? Is it laziness
or they're not making the discoveries, therefore there's nothing to
be discovered.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, with Ahi, there's a lot of that, i'd say,
but you know, it's certainly more complicated than just him.
You know, it's not all his call, but he's kind
of a figurehead, you know, making sure you know some
of it. I think there's a level of certain things
that they can make money off of giving these private
tours too, and it's just about that. But there are

(15:40):
bigger things where certainly at least some of the authorities
I'll say, are aware of certain things underground that would
really alter our own view of ancient history and who
the Egyptians were, who built Pisa, And there are some
things that they've definitely been very protective over. I mean,
it's been a don know, it seemed like it was

(16:01):
a strategic kind of campaign to drill around the Sphinx
when Zahi was doing that with Mark Lanner and even
back to the seventies working with hewlan Casey and Stanford
Research Institute when they were doing all that work. A
lot of it I think comes out to be in
the end something that is aimed at making it look
like everything we could find out has been discovered and

(16:22):
there's nothing to see. It's a complicated way of saying,
don't worry. We checked and there's nothing to find, basically,
and so many of us out here are bringing up
evidence that clearly contradicts that that we're not saying we
necessarily know what's down there, but we can see there's something.
As Bill scans, for example, you can see anomalies at

(16:43):
these nine locations he scanned with gram penetrating radar. You
can see there's definitely there's anomalies that every single spot
he scanned. So there was kind of the continuation of
what Lanner and Zahi were doing from the Sphinx Mapping
project which turned into the Giza Plateau mapping project. Both
of those. I think we're really, as I say, just

(17:06):
kind of roundabout ways of coming to the conclusion that like, oh,
we looked, we checked everything, there's nothing there. Like drilling
under the left front paw where Shatun and West and
Thomas Doveki they found the anomaly A. They found a
couple of anomalies. They called that one anomaly A. And
you know they drilled at this angle which would have

(17:27):
missed it probably by a very thin margin. But you know,
drilling one hole in that area at a certain angle,
it doesn't mean that because they didn't hit that chamber.
It's not there. Yeah, you know, so there's a lot
of stuff like that, like, oh, we checked, there's nothing
to see, but yeah, we know there's at least.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but with Mark Laner here and
here's the problem, and then we'll move on to current
day stuff. But Mark is an well spoken intellectual. We
spent a lot of time his life, you know, dedicated
to Giza, and I can respect and appreciate that. But
he's so well spoken, and he comes from this position

(18:12):
of arrogance and he's a nice guy. But his position
of arrogance that I know everything here, and so because
of that, others will take that as the gospel. And
there isn't another reason to go in research. Let's just

(18:33):
leave Giza alone. And it just feels like Mark has
an en zahi too as well, want total control of
what is going on. And because of that position, so
much funding UH didn't go in other directions to discover
new things because of Mark's way of delivering his version

(18:58):
of the facts, and it has really you know what
I mean, it's kurtailed a lot of research for decades
that should have never happened. That way, going back to
if we start with Giza, I mean start with the
Sphinx and what was presented there. He was one of
the most outspoked, outspoken people against any of those ideas.

(19:21):
And yeah, it's I can only imagine how much research
has been passed over with funding because of Mark's position.
So and again I'm not ragging on him. I'm not,
it sounds like I am, But research and discovery and
archaeologies is supposed to be about thinking outside of the

(19:44):
box and going and discovering the ancient past, not throwing
walls up around it. Help me understand really quick when
and I've discussed this with a lot of people, I've
I've followed, and and uh, everything that you and the
team have put out, or most of it, I should say,

(20:06):
but I still can't wrap my head around the way
SARS works the technology. So walk us through that, how
the technology actually works and how it can go so deep.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Okay, yeah, as well as I can explain it at least.
I did do an interview with Filipo and Armando. It's
called The BEYONDI protocol, and I asked them to explain
it more in that So that's a reference if people
want to check out, and as well as another film
called a Mentee Unveiled. But essentially what I tried to
explain was people, you know, the people who go far

(20:45):
enough to actually understand that it's SAAR as opposed to
GPR other forms of remote sensing. They come back with
the comment that, well, SAAR can't penetrate the ground more
than a few centimeters, much less kilometers, So that's their excuse.
It's the closest anyone comes to challenging it. But basically
what's going on is it's not penetrating deeper than a

(21:08):
few centimeters. It's picking up a signal that is basically
on the surface. But the signal on the surface is
showing subtle seismic waves that are coming up from below.
So using just the signal that's penetrating the surface, you
can see how these different waves from below are moving
around certain chambers. If there's hollow areas below you, basically

(21:31):
it ends up moving faster at a different velocity, and
so the waves you can pick up these subtle differences.
If you're able to essentially cancel out most all of
the image of the main data you would normally use
for surface readings. Basically, it's a software that Felipo BEYONDI developed.
That's what the BEYONDI protocol is called. That money says

(21:53):
it is named for it. Actually I got to give
him credits. It's brilliant, ill and it sounds like a
mission impossible film YI protocol.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. So what is and what
is used on the surface, what equipment uh starts the process?

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Well, it's it's a it's a basic radar signal synthetic
aperture is implying that it's creating a much wider like
a satellite dish. It's as if they had a huge
satellite dish out in space because they're actually sending the
satellite over the distance, so they're able to get with
a single pass, you know, much wider range of view

(22:32):
coming down to the same point. That just improves the resolution.
But what he actually his new protocol, it's it's a software.
It's a filtering software that's able to process those signals
that are free to the world. Actually, the two they're
actually using three companies now that give away this free

(22:52):
saar data signals from their satellites and anyone can use them,
but you need Filipo's technique in order to filter out
all the main signals to find these very fine ones
that can actually give an idea of what's down below.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
So now when I'm asking specifically about this, I'm so
interested in it. When I read the satellite portion of
this and how it was applied, that's all right. I
backed up and went, Okay, I'm having difficulty here, right.
I just it's so cool, but it's beyond what I

(23:31):
can understand. So are you suggesting again? I've read this
and I've heard it talked about, but I just I
want you to explain it to me so I can understand. So,
satellites are overhead and they are doing a surface scan

(23:52):
at a specific area.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yes, it's kind of a basic radar setup where it's
setting the signal down down and then receiving it back
and processing that as a signal.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, okay, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, there's two companies that have been offering this data,
and so they've I mean they added a third one later,
so they're looking from three different satellites to make sure
it's not just one that they're getting noise from or something.
But basically the protocol itself is it is withheld, you know,
it's not it's behind a patent that's owned by Felipo

(24:30):
Biondi and he's rightfully keeping it very secure because it's
a very very important, you know, piece of technology. Obviously,
that filtering process he's developed, but it's combining a couple
methods added together to end up at this new one
that can actually look down to what he said in
ideal conditions up to five kilometers, not just one or two.

(24:52):
But that's not something new either, which is a point
I made in some of my films. We have a
company called Geoscan. They've been doing the same thing. They said.
They it scans six kilometers deep. At least as early
as twenty fourteen, they were working at Howara with doctor
Carmen Bolter Andrew Barker. And there's a whole all this

(25:13):
these new scans that we're seeing of Jwara recently as well,
But that's not something else segue too just yet. That's
the whole other thing, but we could mention. But yeah,
there's also the company Merlin Burrows, which kind of grew
out of additional scans that were also done at Howara
by the guy tim Akers. So both of those two
companies today you can look them up and they they

(25:35):
have gone even further and it's also proprietary for them.
They don't explain their exact method, but they've got tons
of contracts with oil companies and mining you.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Would think, so, yeah, yeah, that absolutely testimonial. Well, I've
been bringing that up over the last couple of months.
With technology like this, it seems like oil, gold, diamonds,
it doesn't matter anybody that is trying to find something
buried these big companies, this type of technology is exactly

(26:04):
what they need. All right. Let me ask you about this.
Let me ask you about the Hall of records. We've
been searching for this. I love the quest on this right.
It's the holy Grail, the Hall of records, the Hall
of Records, the halls of Amenti whatever, Edgar Casey, the
secrets underneath the paw of the Sphinx, or spread out

(26:28):
between Geesa and Sakara. You know, we've all heard this
for a very long time and it's part of your
journey right to search for the Hall of records. Dude,
are we going to find the Hall of Records. Are
we going to find the secrets?

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Well, it's funny too, because I was going to mention
this when we were talking about later. You know, he
started by writing The Egyptian Heritage was an entire book
about Edgar Casey in the Hall of Records.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
That's right, he got started, That's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
We all have to hope he's still got some inner
child within him that does still hope that's the case.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
And this.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Whether or not he does, I believe, dare I say,
we might have already found it because if Williams work,
you know, he's been very very much geared towards that exactly.
This is why he's focused so closely to the Sphinx.
We do think the record chambers Casey describes, for one thing,
he describes him in multiple forms, the Tomb of Records,

(27:28):
the Pyramid of Records, the Hall of Records. I think
the records are spread likely between many different chambers and
many different parts, and they may come from many different
ages or cultures. Even so, I think they probably also
take many different forms, Like they could be inscribed on
the walls is one of the standby kind of standard

(27:50):
ways that you can make knowledge, you know, eternal, not
just writing an alpapyrus.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
But right so, I'm gonna ask the question directly again,
though this has been your life's journey, Will SAR technology
finally solve this mystery? Well?

Speaker 4 (28:16):
They did, I mean, as it ended up happening. The
reason I kind of blew up alongside the Copper project
is because they first let me release some of their
images from underneath, and one of the ones later on
only a month or two ago, they ended up letting
me release another one that had not come out yet.
It's going to be in their paper which they're working.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
On right now.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
It's going to be out any day as far as
I know. But they let me release the very first
SAAR scans directly under the Sphinx, which is really exciting.
They ended up showing another one of these cubes like
they're showing under the pyramids, directly under the sphinx, one cube,
one shaft going straight down to it, about six hundred

(28:56):
meters down, roughly the same as the level we're seeing
these other cube shaped forms under the pyramids. And then
so they're showing these cubes at about six to seven
hundred meters down and below that almost twice as far,
but to like about one thousand to twelve hundred meters
over a kilometer is another whole level where they're seeing

(29:17):
an interconnected level of you know what they say is
looking like a city because you can actually see these
parallel lines and stuff. When you're looking at these kind
of scans. If you want to tell if it's man
made or not, you need to see geometric forms to
show that it's something planned. That's the only way to
really tell if it's not a cave system or something natural.
So we did just get our first look at the

(29:39):
essay ur scans below the sphinx, and I mean, yeah,
that's pretty exciting because I sent you a couple images
of those scans actually, but.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Well let me let me pull up I was going
to do that, Okay, So the original I think this
is it. Here is the These are the original scans.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
This was from the original project abstract that came out
from the new project. This wasn't from the twenty twenty
two but this year in March fifteenth, they let me
release this project abstract, which was hilariously I mean, I
was perfectly ready for it because I had just put
out this whole series the Secret Underworld of Giza with
William A few three episodes already were out at that time,

(30:25):
and the third one connected our discovery bills Discoveries with
Theirs at the Great Pyramid. And so that's how I
ended up talking with them. And I was not aware
that when they gave me this abstract and said I
could release it, I wasn't aware I was the only
person releasing it. I thought everyone at the conference.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Was Okay, which image? Which image is the original image?

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Is this one is also from that project abstract? This
is at the very end of it, and.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Okay, we'll come back to that, drebor, hold on and
what is this?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Okay? Yeah, this is one that they actually let out
in their press conference, which the video of that came
out shortly after they had the conference. But this is
one where I added some lines down there so you
can see these parallel and perpendicular lines and that whole
that's the section I was just talking about that is
about one to one point two kilometers down what they're

(31:22):
calling this secret city or Buried City below over a
kilometer down, and people are saying that's crazy, But when
you do actually look at the skin at the top
you're seeing miss Aerno Kafra Knumkufu. That's the three pyramids
going across the top. So this is actually a use
spanning all three pyramids. One kilometer down is where you're

(31:44):
seeing that whole layout of these images that are showing
parallel lines and stuff that's not something natural. You know,
now we can tell.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
So when we look at stuff like this and then
we come back to we're going to get ahead of
our skis a little bit. But this is one of
the images that people are talking about, which are these
columns and these spirals around the columns as well. Trying

(32:16):
to extrapolate this from an image like this is a
little for me is a big jump. I see something
as there, right, But then to turn it into something
like this, is it too big of a leap or
is this pretty accurate?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Well, yeah, they didn't really show They still haven't shown
even I mean they've probably only shown at this point
about ten percent of the actual scans they were using
to build these models. So a lot of people said
they're jumping to conclusions. You know, I don't see these
spirals or anything. You know, I have one image that
the spirals can be very clearly seen, but for the

(32:57):
most part, people haven't seen all the data they're working from.
So Filippo said he's working with at least two hundred
tomographic images from the first year. Took about a year
to get two hundred images with two computers running twenty
four to seven, So this is built on a lot
more information than the public has really seen. But some

(33:17):
of those first scan images they showed us they were
more from the interior of the pyramid and less from
underneath it. But they showed a few images like that,
and then a ton more came out when they published
a video of their press conferences showed all of them.
So this is yeah, if you look at all the
scan images they have already put out that do correspond

(33:37):
to this exact location. Yeah, I think they're making a
pretty pretty solid estimate about it, and they're not speculating
on the areas that they're less sure of. So Filipo
basically said he's about ninety percent sure of the accuracy
of these models, which I think is fair based on
what he's seeing. They were looking at him for like
a month or two first, and he and Karata were like, no,

(34:00):
this has got to be noise. This has got to
be just you know, interference of some kind. There can't
be kilometer sized structures down there. And they just went
back and back again and kept looking at it, and
every angle they looked from every different satellite company they
were working from, they kept seeing the same things. So

(34:20):
after a month or two they started realizing, oh, we
are looking at these These are actually hollow tubes. They
describe as shafts, but they're also there's an indication, and
it's all of this is somewhat still up for debate,
but that these are actually very hard shells to them.
So it's like hollow tubes, but with tube walls and

(34:42):
the spirals around them. We also don't know if those
are hollow, if there's some kind of other material. We
can just kind of see outlines of edges. So at
this point we don't know the hardness, the material, the
things like that, but we can see the edges of
shapes that are clearly defined, like the cubes at the
bottom of these tubes. You can see the edges of

(35:05):
the cubes that you know, when I look at these scans,
I'm saying, I don't know what's down there, but I
can tell that's not a natural shape, because it's literally
a cube ninety degree corners. It's like you don't get
edges like that on some natural cave that was weathered
out by water or something. And they're all directly beneath
the pyramids. So basically, unless you're unless you're saying Felipo BEYONDI,

(35:29):
who's spent thirty years working in radar, just suddenly decided
he was going to pull a big hoax on the world.
After writing ninety papers, ninety different scientific papers on this,
you just decided to use CGI and totally make these
scans up out of nowhere. That's about all you could say,
aside from well, we're not sure exactly the accuracy of

(35:49):
the scan to model process, but I think if you're
looking at the scans themselves, you don't even It does
require a trained eye to really know what you're looking at,
but even a layman could look at these scans and
see that there are these parallel edges and perpendicular edges.
So to me, it's very clear there's something down there,

(36:10):
and it seems to be very close to what they're
showing at least, and I don't think they're jumping to conclusions.
I think they're modeling it as well as they can.
And the more I got to know them, you know,
I don't see any reason for them to be making
any of this up. I think these scans that we're
seeing are very real. You know, I already understood that
Merlyn Burroughs and Gscan were already doing this kind of thing,

(36:31):
and I think in a very similar process, maybe not
exactly the same. But he's also working on getting to
the level where they were at where they could tell
actually the material signature. So he said he's kind of
working on an alphabet, creating like an alphabet of material
signatures so that when he finds something and then he
can go down and test it and say, Okay, this

(36:52):
was a metal, or this was water, or this was
that he'll learn more and more how to identify specific
substances as well.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
So well, if if this is I want this to
be something, I don't know what it is.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
But with the X files, yeah I want to believe.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, yeah, I have that poster right here on the wall.
But if it is something right, if it's man made,
if it's not natural, this would truly upend everything that
we understand about ourselves and and truly rewrite history at
another level that I don't know if we're entirely prepared for.

(37:37):
Because what what this suggests is that ancient civil I've
always believed that ancient civilization have high technology, but constructing
something of this magnitude kilometers deep, with function to it, this,
it's it's almost too good to be true. Is it

(37:59):
too good to be true? Or can the world handle
something like this because it is extraordinary?

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, well that's a good question. Actually, some people have
actually said, like man, Trevor, it's yeah, I want it
to be true, but I mean, it's so huge, it's
so far from anything we've ever seen before. It's so
far beyond the capability of any human civilization we know
of in the past. And it's like, what do you
what do you want me to say? You want me
to tell you that they found something smaller just so

(38:30):
you can believe it?

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, right, I totally I totally get that. And
then here's the other situation that we have, and I'll
pull this image up here too, is that if we
consider the construction of the pyramids, which is above ground, right, okay,
level off the Giza plateau, build some pyramids, all right,

(38:54):
it's extraordinary, and we still don't know how those were built,
and we have difficulty digesting that. But then when you
throw this into the mix, this takes this takes it
to a whole other level. Right, It's just absolutely unbelievable
that an ancient civilization building something above ground. Okay, all right,

(39:17):
tough to accept, but we're going to work through that.
But this is something else entirely different.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Yeah, well, even the pyramids above ground, I think not
many people have really taken the time to understand how
far beyond any other cultural.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Band, which is my poart, Trevor, that's my point. You know,
we can accept something extraordinary because we can look at
the pyramids and go, all right, how the hell did
they do that? The the what we've been told is
not true. There's something else going on. Okay, so we're

(39:53):
accepting of that. But this, holy molly.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
I'm with you. I think this is spoken gun. This
is why I reached out to them, And I mean,
you know, I didn't know any of this. I knew
that they had found something huge below and they were
going to tell the whole world about it March fifteenth,
So I was preparing that from last year. But I
didn't know it was gonna look like this. I didn't

(40:18):
ask them for sneak peaks ahead of time, you know,
But when this came out, yeah, and me getting to
be the first person to see some of these images too,
I was floored because I think this is I mean,
what is it going to take in a world where
we have AI can produce an image of a UFO,
you know everyone or whatever it is you're trying to imagine,
It's like you could fake it. You could fake videos

(40:41):
of it, you can. Everyone is questioning every their whole
reality at this point. And so what it would it
really take for people to say, Okay, wait, no, this
story is not what they told us, Like did they
carve these things out with hammers and chisels, with Fourth
Dynasty age? You know, copper tools? You know, There's no
way anyone can come close to that. So yes, it's

(41:04):
a major challenge to everyone's It's going to cause major
cognitive dissonance basically for the entire mainstream community. But for
someone like me who's been saying I know there's something
under there for years, it's very exciting, Like go Beckley
Tepee level of smoking guns, and like I say, if

(41:25):
they're even eighty to ninety percent accurate to what the
scans are. If it's even that close to what we're
seeing in this image, then I'm one hundred percent in
favor of going down and doing an on site investigation.
If there was a one percent chance that this was real,
I would say, let's go underground and see. But if

(41:46):
you combine all that with the state that we were
already in with me and William and Richard, we were
already pushing for an excavation, which was if you're looking
all the way over the right side of this image,
that's the cube under the sphinx that won all the
way to the right. And we've been working in that area,
which is off to the east side of the plateau
and the village that they're demolishing right now. So we've

(42:10):
already learned so much about the entrance tunnels over on
that end of the plateau, and we already believe we
know where there are at least one or two tunnels
connecting straight from that area over to the Great Pyramid,
and at least one or two connecting from basically right
where we want to dig at Bill Zone property that

(42:30):
connects to the Sphinx and from the Sphinx straight over
to the middle pyramid. So we already think, in fact,
we already think we have probably five, six, seven or
more very likely entrances that connect into here. So even
if they don't, there's at least a pretty solid potential
based on the GPR scans we have and all the

(42:50):
information which comes from you know, the GPR scans are
maybe some of the more scientific, the more hard data
we have, but yeah, it's just we have a wealth
of evidence to say that there are so many entrance
points which we could dig at without causing any potential
risk to the Sphinx, to the pyramids. Is literally just

(43:11):
where they've demolished all these houses. There's nothing to hurt,
so there's no reason not to dig. But we think
there are very likely connections going all the way to
these very deep mega chambers as they're calling them. So
why not, right.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Right, Well, when you look at the oldest photography from Giza,
when you look at those those images where it's just sand, right,
just the sphinx head sticking up right, You look at
those old images and there appears to be nothing there.
It's just sand, and the pyramids that are sitting there

(43:49):
and you go to Geza today. Giza is full of shit.
Everywhere you look. There is something underneath the sand. You man,
you and your freaking video camera, man, and I followed
you for years just going. Man, Trevor's out of his mind,
you know, check this out, you know, And I'm like,

(44:09):
where did you see? But my point, being, Trevor, is
that when you pull up into Giza and you start
to look around, there is stuff everywhere as far as
the eye can see. And it's old. It doesn't even
looks older than the pyramids themselves. But this is my point.
Andrew Collins did one of the coolest discoveries I can

(44:33):
think of recently and goes into the bird tombs in
the northeast corner of the Giza Plateau, a system that
had been mapped out by the British in eighteen thirty.
But the point being, there was nothing there. There's no caves,
there's nothing underneath the other There's nothing there. And Andrew
was very persistent with it, and he was convinced it

(44:57):
had to do with sickness in the missy right and
you know the whole story. But anyway, he finds that
little entrance right it was this big in the back
of the bird tombs and decides to go in. I
would never ever do what he did, but he did.
And it's the most clauster phobic, crazy documentary you're ever

(45:18):
gonna watch, you know, going into a cave for the
first time. But zah, he said, there's nothing there. Now,
that cave system is huge. Clearly goes underneath the Pyramids
of Giza. Now let's back up again looking at Giza
from the old photograph. He just didn't think that there
was anything. There's so much to be discovered. So Andrew

(45:41):
makes that discovery and it is huge and never really
got to the end of it because it was just
too big of the cave system. But does that cave
system show up as in an anomaly in the stars images? Yes?

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Have you seen my film about that one at all?
I don't know if you've known. But I got into
that system last year.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
I saw it. Dude, you're out of your mind, by
the way, You're out of your mind. Yeah, out of
your freaking mind. So I can't watch it. I can't
watch it, man, It's just like it's too freaky. You're small. Yeah,
you probably just just made it right in there.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
But well, it's not like I was like super psyched
to go do that. It was literally I crawled to
the back of that hole because because of what you
just said, Andrew brought it to light to the world
in two thousand and eight, and he was in there
that you know, next year or two, he brought his
chasing Mummy's team. He went to the back. He didn't

(46:45):
go into that tube. We call it the tube tunnel
at the end, but he sent his guy in.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, yeah, he would never do that. He stands he
stands above the hole. Yeah, he stands above the hole.
What do you see?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
That's what do you see? And he told him to
come back out and say, oh, I see it end.
But we have not only proof now that it doesn't
end there, that it does continue, which is what Henry
Salt and Giovanni Caviglio said back in their journal eighteen seventeen.
They put that out and that was the only the
only one of the very very few from all of

(47:20):
history records of it that helped Andrew actually find it.
Who's following their journals, But we know that when he
first got in there, the back end of that tube
was not blocked off and when the gate went up
on the door of the tomb there the front of it,
that's when the back end of that tube tunnel was filled.

(47:42):
And so you know, Richard Gabriel had also been in
there at that time period and he remembers seeing it
still opened and kicks himself every day for not having
crawled through it and one of the first times he
could have. But when I got to the back there,
I was able to film it to show that the
back end of it was filled in with dirt, that
that dirt was thrown in from the opposite end, so

(48:04):
it was from behind it that it was filled in.
This is very clear from how the dirt lies. There's
no dirt spilled in the first ten to fifteen twenty
feet of the tunnel that you can access to the
tube tunnel, and so you know they would have been
There's no way they carried shovel loads all the way
to the back and then threw it in. It's very
clearly thrown in from a chamber that it's almost connected to.

(48:28):
That's what we believe, and that's also backed up by
earlier Actually SAAR satellite scans from terisar X was a
company that Andrew Collins actually released the images and they
show these two large what looked like cave tunnels going
straight from there over to the Middle Pyramid. So this
is why I made that film and crawled in that

(48:49):
hole and got at that footage two days, two days
before the Copper Projects press conference, because I knew they
were going to be focusing on the Copper Pyramid. Andrew
knew this too. He was very excited to see, just
like me, that what they might potentially connect to at
the other end, because we very very strongly feel, I

(49:09):
mean Richard Gabriel and myself, at least in the film
we made together revealing NC two, that it connects over
to this door that's just northwest of the Middle Pyramid
and under that door straight under the Middle Pyramid most likely,
And whenever Richard had first exposed that connection, they set

(49:30):
up a tent right in front of this door. Like
two days after Richard released this huge expose on YouTube,
they were at that door with this walled tent. He
couldn't even see what they were doing. They got inside
and did something for a few days and then left.
They did the exact same thing after we released the
trailer for our Together film about NC two. That's an

(49:52):
official name of it, is NC two, so we think
it definitely connects all the way over. And it was
you know, it's extremely sensitive now that everyone's seeing there's
something underneath the copper pyramid. So I asked Armando May,
who's the third of the Copper project besides Felipo and Armando,
and I said, you know, I know you guys are

(50:14):
I'm not going to ask you to show me anything beforehand,
but look, if there's anything at all that you can
tell me about the west end of the plateau, especially
the northwest end, the entire North Cliff area, because there's
there's no North Cliff one, north Cliff two, and then
there's many other cave entrances further west along that cliff
face too, which nobody really knows anything about. And he

(50:38):
sent me this one single paragraph he let me put
in my film. This is before their their press conference
came out, so basically he referred to the NC two
complex as a nerve center connecting into the whole network.
And this just gave me chills kind of, and I
was like, yep, that's what I thought. Because Saltan Caviglia,

(50:59):
they described they described certain aspects of the cave, which
we know. They couldn't be describing anything within the area
that we already know of. So they're describing, you know,
having to be on their hands and knees to crawl
through areas well. The tube tunnels the first point you
would have to do that. So plus they say they
went several hundred yards into this complex, which the whole

(51:21):
cave as we see it is just over one hundred yards,
maybe the Cave of the Snake, as Andrew calls it.
So Armando told me, he said, yeah, because Henry Saltan,
Giovanni Conviglia. They also indicated that past that point it
communicated with one very spacious chamber, he said to connected

(51:42):
to three others of equal dimensions, and from those three
others issued forth many labyrinthine passages. That's a quote, many
labyrinthine passages. So many, I'm saying that's at least three,
maybe four or five, maybe more. But basically it sounds
like once you get through that tube tunnel, it fans

(52:02):
out and it enters into the entire rob.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
If you look, If you look, you watch Andrew Collins
original documentary where they went as far as they could
farther than anybody. They had no idea, but anyway, so
they went as far as they could into the tube
tunnel and then they're in an area that is, you know,

(52:27):
so confining with all of the spiders and the things
that were in there, and you can't see anything. But
they went, no, no, there's no air anywhere in Egypt,
you know, let alone in a cave. Right. It's so
true anyway, But then you compare what Andrew did, and

(52:49):
then look at the topography maps that the British did
back in eighteen thirty. The British map that out, they
went past the two and you could see on the
dotted lines how big the cave system was and its
relation to the pyramids. So this wasn't an unknown thing,

(53:12):
not to Zahi or to anybody else. The British knew
about it. They mapped it and they showed in where
the entrance was in the bird tombs, you know. So
there is there's a lot more to be discovered. And
I agree with the fan side of it on the
other side because that is as far as Andrew went.

(53:34):
But my point with bringing all of this up, can't
stars and what beyondy is working on. Can't that assist
not only what's underneath Cufu, Coffre, Mancare and the Sphinx,
but what is in addition to the known cave system.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Well, that's a good question. I've I've talked to them
about this a little bit too, and you know, I've
also at times said we should be you know, you
should be they should be cautious about how much and
when they release certain information because I don't know if
certain things come out before we can test or get

(54:20):
into certain spaces. It's like, you know, if we if
we clue them into as to what it really looks like,
they might run in down there and start blocking off
some of the main entrances or things like that. It's
you know, anyone who really knows how this works. We
know cover ups are a matter of everyday business. That's
how they will absolutely cover up what they can. And

(54:40):
but so they haven't shown any actual scans from anywhere
west of the Pyramids. They have shown actual scans of
anything over on that side. As far as I know,
nothing is public of that. But because he told me
that it's a nerve system connected into the whole thing,
I know that they already have some and they have
seen and they have told me basically that's where they

(55:03):
believe the deepest connectors are. We have it over in
the west end there. That's how we get into a
lot of the deepest stuff, and that's where, you know,
we're suggesting a lot of these entrances that we think
probably connect from the east as far as the GPR,
Skins Bills, God and all the research over in the village,
but as far as the work they've done, it sounds

(55:23):
like they kind of feel like the west end is
where they've found some that clearly go down and I
would almost guarantee it's both, you know, but Armando at
least has said he thinks that there's definitely some very
likely connections into some of the very deep, very huge chambers,
all from that western end. So I'm saying, let's check

(55:44):
out NC two. Let's also the other NT three four five,
you know, going down there. And the other thing is
they have the building right on top of it. It
was the old Harvard building where one of the Harvard
professes that I think one of the presidents of Egypt
even live there someone at one point. But they've turned
it into the Kufu Restaurant now, which is super expensive

(56:06):
and just kind of this big fancy thing. But it's
like I say, they never build any structures on the
plateau itself unless they're covering an entrance with them.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Well, well that's another Let's talk about that for a second,
because this is another part where I'm just confused. All right,
and I know you've thought about this. You spend too
much time out there. The Kisa Plateau is a limestone hilltop,
all right. Everybody knows that. And somebody at some point

(56:39):
went in and leveled that off right, perfectly level and
started building on it, right, Okay, those are the facts,
these constructions that we are talking about, and I'll pop
this up here. This is below the limestone, right, This
is below the limestone, which also includes the Bird Pyramid

(57:05):
or the Bird Pyramid, the bird tunnels and cave system
that originate in the northwest. Everybody, if you're looking at Giza,
let me change cameras. If you're looking at Giza, okay, east,
that's where the entrances are and the sphinx face in
that direction behind the three pyramids. To the west, in

(57:28):
the northwest corner of the Gisa Plateau is what they
call the Bird Tomb complex and it's pretty massive, it's
pretty big. Why are they called bird tombs? Well, they
were rooms that you go into and there's cutouts in
the wall where hundreds, maybe thousands of bird mummies were

(57:50):
on display. Right, it's crazy to see, but most people
don't know about it. And it's across the sand on
another part of the Giza plateau. But how would the
construction have been done for what you guys have discovered
underneath limestone? What comes first? You know? How is something

(58:17):
under there that's man made, that is underneath the limestone
without evidence of ginormous construction from above? Yeah, you know
what I mean? Because well let me ask you again.
We're going to go to the break. So when we
look at cofre Kufu Mankare, those are built on top

(58:39):
of the limestone on top of the Giza plateau. But
these these pillars and everything else that go down a
couple of kilometers are of the same size footprint, which
is what eighteen acres right of square? How is that
built underneath this limestone hill top?

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Mm hmm. Yeah, well it makes you think, I mean,
whatever the technique, it would seem to be probably much
easier to do. Before the pyramids were built so you're
gonna have to pull pull out, you know, cubic miles
worth of stone basically to up from below. You're not
gonna have to pull that out through the through the

(59:23):
shafts every single time. One thing that Filippo and Armando
and I think Corrado and I are all very much
an agreement on is this all appears to be one
single thing. Somebody planned and built everything. You know, maybe not,
maybe there are parts underground that are even older than

(59:44):
this stuff, but at least these structures directly below the
pyramids and the pyramids themselves, everything I see indicates this
was one project. It was all done at one time,
and they must have basically built the underground stuff first.
It does, I gotta say, as far as where I
speculate to or just imagine. Just trying to think about

(01:00:05):
how how they could possibly have done this, It makes
me think of that scene from Alien versus Predator whichever one,
where they drill with a laser through the ice in
Antarctica and they make that perfect straight tube. It also
kind of reminds me of the Sonoa is in Mexico
because even though they're very you know, weathered, and they
look natural I don't see those things anywhere else in

(01:00:28):
the world, These perfectly straight wells that just go down,
you know. And I don't know if you've ever seen
any of those, like, oh yeah, some of them are
one hundred feet across and India.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
The wells in India too, are the same. It's fantastic construction. Trevor.
Let's take our break. You stay right there. Our guests tonight,
the one and only Trevor Grossi. We're talking about what
is underneath GISA. It's an extraordinary project. You've read about it,
you've seen it. Trevor is with us tonight. Trevor, you
stay right there. We'll be right back after this short break.

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All right, welcome back Fade to Black. I am your host,
Jimmy Church to Night. Trevor Grossi is with us. We're
talking about what is underneath Giza and the copyre project
and the teen absolutely extraordinary conversation. Before we move on,
I want to mention something really quick to everybody. There
is a TV series out. It's on Apple TV. It's

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called Platonic with Seth Rogan, and it is what it is,
but I'm kind of hooked on it anyway. Spoiler alert.
I think it's episode two season two. It might be
episode three when they meet that's the title of the episode.

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They're at a party and the party is going on
at the house. They have to get up on the roof.
I think it's a rose Byrne and Seth Rogan. They
get up on the house to connect the power to
the lights over the party. Anyway, while they're up on

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the roof, they both look up and go like this,
and he goes, did you see that? I did? We
saw UFO? Right, It's like what just came out of nowhere?
And they run down to the party and they run
in to all of their friends. There's like it doesn't
them in there and they're all doing their thing, and

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we just saw UFO. And the discussion that happens about
et alien life and UFOs, what happens after that is
exactly what this community is all about. I'm not going
to say anything else if you if you just go

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to that episode, it's worth it. It's a pretty cool series.
But wow, I had that moment. And then later on
a couple episodes later, they go, yeah, but we also
all that UFO together and they have another discussion about
the meaning of life and how extraordinary that UFO siding

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was anyway, it's not a spoiler alert. You've got to
go and watch it. But it's really cool, all right.
I want to share that with everybody. Back to Trevor Grossi,
he's right there, Trevor. I want to I want to
have some fun for a little bit. I want to speculate.
We have Christopher Dunn, Theresa, the Giza power Plant, some

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of the theories laid out there about the Great Pyramid,
and the discussion in this community has gone on for
years about that. My only personal comment is, in my
travels to the Great Pyramid versus the rest of Egypt,

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it's very mechanical. It's it's very industrial. It doesn't have
an artistic vibe to it that everything else has, you know,
beauty and majesty and everything. It seems very unspiritual to me.
That's my take, and I kind of kill it for people. Well, man,
didn't you have an experience in the King's Chamber?

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Not really. It's it's it's it's a thing. It's not spiritual.
That's my take. But now we have all of these
revelations that you and the team have been bringing out
to the community, which furthers this speculation and theory. So
I'm gonna throw this out at you. Let's have some fun.

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I know you've thought about this a lot, putting cofre
and Cufu Mankari to the side. What's the purpose of
this discovery? Why is it there? What does it do?
Does it do something or is it something else? What
is it?

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
That's the ultimate question. That's that's really yeah. I mean,
I consider it very fun to go to the land
of spacelation. I love doing it, and I think it's
important to differentiate when you're obviously treading into that realm
as opposed to making actual claims.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
But that's the best part, man, that's the best part.
Tripping out. Tripping out is the best part.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
It really is. And honestly, it forces all all the
normies to have to do that. They can't. It's kind
of pushing them right out of the matrix. They can't
really stay in that world that they are living in
with this this narrative of you know, how things went
according to uh, you know, the establishment, the kind of

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the narrative they want to keep pushing about it. It
cannot function, it cannot exist anymore. Now that we've seen
these things at least once we confirm them. So yeah,
I've been you know, I was talking to Chris Dunn
right as soon as it happened. I was I was like, man,
I think your book sells are gonna are going to
get a little boost here, buddy. And he was a
friend already, but we we started talking a lot more

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as soon as this came out, and I've really been
interested to hear what he's saying about, you know, how
this could relate to the machine function of them in
some sense. And you know, the only thing I can
ever say absolutely when I'm asked this question like what
are they and what do they do? Is that I
believe they had many functions, not just one or two

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or three, but probably many.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
You know, such as.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Well. Certainly they had let's say, some type of energy
function as either harvesters, generators, storage systems, batteries, wireless distributors.
You know, we know they produce an electromagnetic field. They
produce a charge at the top. You know, you can
you can actually do certain things. You can see sparks

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fly at the top it if you, uh, I forget
what the thing was, but electromagnetic there's a plasma field
generated above it that was detected by a Chinese scientist
a couple of years ago. We can measure certain things
that clearly tell us there's an energy field around it.
But some of those energy fields are actually not electromagnetic

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or plasma or any type of energy that we're familiar with.
They're actually more these subtle energies, more like orgone or
biological energy almost that could you know, kind of charge
a human body or biological organism. It's the kind of
energy that we use, like when we eat food. It's
it's sometimes very similar to electricity, I would say, but

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it's very different in some subtle ways. But in some
form they are energetic machinery and they are harmonically tuned
in some way to the entire planet. And this is
this is very evident in the units, the measures, the geometry.
You know, a lot of it's not very it's not

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like when you walk into the temples in the South
and Upper Egypts, when you go to Dendra or lux
Are and you're seeing this kind of beauty that's basically
designed to shock your entire consciousness and your whole system
to lift you into these higher states of being. That's it.
That's that's absolutely intentional and directly plan That's part of
what Schwali d Lubek's called the sacred science of how

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you can actually use vibration, which most people don't think
of stones as vibrating, but like John Oi said, it's
like frozen music, like that gertthe quote. It's it's there
is a vibration to those stones that's automatically affecting you.
And that's part of how the magic of Egypt works

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and really does bring you to these other states of consciousness.
But the pyramids are very different. You have to really
measure them and look very closely to find the science
that's embedded into them. And it's it's really highlighting these
specific units of measure that are all directly based on
the size and shape of the Earth, which which really

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tells us that they knew the size and shape of
the Earth. They weren't thinking the Earth is flat. They
weren't thinking, you know, the Earth is the center of
the universe. They've proved many times over, they understood the
heliocentric model. They put, for instance, the twenty three point
five degrees the rough you know, average basically obliquity of

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the Earth's axis that's coded all over the place, and
that alone tells us that they knew the size, shape,
and orientation of the Earth's axis, because that proves basically
that they knew the seasons that they considered this twenty
three point five degree angle to be so important they're
encoding it into all this art. So is it spiritual? Well,

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I think I had a spiritual function if you can
say you know that as well. But you know that's
a that's a term.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Is what if and you bring up a really good point.
You want to see how it affects people. Go stand
outside of the entrance at Dendara and watch people exit
that site in tears, one after another. Right, right, it
just affects everybody and myself included. And you're absolutely right

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about that. But when we look at this new construction,
what if it again we're just having fun, right, we're
whiteboarding here, we're spitballing. What if it's something really really simple?
What if it's just living quarters. Have you seen the
series Silo? Have you seen that series?

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Oh no, but I was told watch it recently.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
It's really it's really good and so but it's an
underground city built in the shape of a silo tube
that goes down a couple of dare I say kilometers
right with all of the levels and a spirals staircase.

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There's no elevators all right, so to go up and
down in the sidelo you have to walk, all right? Now,
what if that's all it is? What that would be incredible?
Of course could be Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Like the matrix where they're all underground. I mean, well
you look at Darren Couu, and you know, we have
to ask were they aware of surface catastrophes that were
about to happen? Did they intentionally build this? You know,
when you do get all the way down to this
one kilometer level where you're seeing what they're calling potentially
a city, maybe that's exactly what it was. Maybe it

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was a place to go down and actually inhabit, even
though you know, if it was actually that deep in
that time, that would be very deep, it would be
very hot. You know, they would need some kind of
ventilation systems, which is you know, it's not impossible for
any civilization capable of a building construction project like this
could certainly have worked that out. And you know that's

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another thing is people say, oh, they couldn't go down
that deep because they'd hit the water table. Well, they
knew how to move water, you know. They they knew
how to drain water. They knew how to put water
where they want it and not where they didn't want it.
So all that stuff I just throw right out, like
these We're dealing with a civilization of geniuses, so these
would not be issues to them. But it's a really

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good point you're making. And I think in one of
my films recently, I suggested, what if it's like the Guggenheim.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about here, And the
Gougenheim is a really, really, really great example of the
idea of how this construction can work and function that way.
Have you seen it?

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
I keep making these Hollywood references. Well it's fun. Have
you seen Fountain of Youth?

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
No, that's another one. Everyone keeps telling me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, so spoiler a
spoiler alert. Okay, uh, the Fountain of Youth is under mencare. Okay,
all right, there's your spoiler alert. But throughout the whole
movie they say that it's underneath the Great Pyramid, and
that's where they're going. They're going to the Great Pyramid,

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bad writing, lack of research and everything on their part
because they're going to the Great Pyramid. But they pull
up to Mincare. So you see Kufu and Cofre right
off to the right, and they pull up to McCary.
So all of us write that no, right, We're like, well,
they got that wrong. But anyway, that doesn't take away

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from what I thought was pretty cool, this entire complex
that was underneath Mancare. You know, they're calling it the
Great Pyramid because they just don't know. But and then
the Stars team and the Cofre project comes out with
their information nearly at the same time. Very interesting and

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a very strange coincidence. That's why I think you should
check it out, just to see how Hollywood is dealing
with something this sensational, because it would be a very
big deal. Yeah, it's worth watching.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
I was gonna I was going to share one with
you too that someone left in the comments for me.
They said, check out earth Wind and Fire their album
cover from Fantasy nineteen seventy seven. Look that one up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
I'll do it right now. Hold on, hold on, let's see.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
They got some wild album covers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Oh yeah, they were the best. So they were they
were they were way ahead of Earth when and Fire which.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Album fantasy They've got an image of these giant blue tubes.
They're blue, just like the descript the images Copper Project
gave us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
And then they're oh, I remember this, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah,
it's all coming back to me now yeah that's right,
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah, there it is. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
I've seen a few different kind of predictive programming. Did
they know beforehand? Things? There's that game Assassin's Creed. There's
a bunch of really interesting underground stuff under Hawara. I've
never played those games. They look awesome. If I play
video games, I would get those.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Yeah. I played Assassin's Creed. I've played like half of
the first the first one. But okay, just spitballing here
is Are the pyramids markers for what is underneath? Right?

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Or are they part of the function of what is underneath?

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
I would say both most likely, because you don't want
to lose that kind of thing. They're marking a very
important point on the Earth surface. You know, they're you know,
they're just off of exactly thirty degrees. Thirty degrees for
one thing, it's equidistant to the planet Core and the
North Pole. You made a perfect equal equal hour triangle.

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It's also located right on the longest straight line you
can possibly walk on land without crossing a major body
of water, and bisects that line at five at the
Golden Ratio. If that's not weird enough to West Africa,
it's certainly marking a very important point. And I was
just recently talking about the how if you take the

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entire all the mass of all the continents above sea
level and find the center of gravity. It's very close.
It's very close to that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
That I've seen that research too as well. I often
wonder what I love that kind of stuff because man,
I love a good conspiracy, But then I I do
back up and go can you do that in other
places on Earth too as well? Could you find the
same thing with a Walmart? You know? I don't know.

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I don't know, but but hear me out on this
with with those pyramids and what is now underneath them?
Is it a stretch? How do I put this correctly?

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Because I love the woo. Okay, I love the woo,
but I need the science too to bring me back
and ground me on this. But could it be a
situation with the pyramid construction that the dating is crazy old.

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And when I say crazy old, old old, hundreds of
thousands of years old or older. And the reason why
I bring that up is because when we look inside
of the Great Pyramid and the work of Christopher Dunn,
and it's mechanical nature that I agree with only because

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I've seen it with my own eyes. Okay, but none
of this is in cofrey and none of this is
in mencare or is it and that we just haven't
gone in and discovered it or do people know about it?

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And if that's the case, this could certainly date back
way beyond three thousand BC.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
Yeah, well, it's possible they had each a very similar
function but slightly different. You know, it could be. There's
also you know, Jeffrey Drum, he's been talking a lot
about Land of Kim. He's been talking about a lot
of people have mentioned the idea of them basically being
al chemical labories or collect producers of certain gases you're

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trying to hydrogen generators or something like that, which very
well could be Chris has kind of Chris done is
kind of basically put it as any electron harvester, which
I think that these new discoveries do fit with that.
It could be, you know, these these coils. You know,
I've worked a lot with like three phase generators and

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worked on a lot of Tesla style projects where you're
always using copper coils in some sense, and you know,
I've wondered if these spirals are actually some kind of
conductor as a capacitor or something going down. But Chris
was also talking about geothermal potentially having something to do
with it, the heat that's down at that level being

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used somehow. But what you're really asking about dates, I
think it's very, very possible that at least certain parts
of the Giza plateau could go back, if not tens
of thousands, even to hundreds of thousands. There could be
things that are hundreds of thousands of years old there,
for sure. There's no reason for me to say that

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there couldn't be. But like I said, I think all
the pyramids were made basically at the same time. But
I tend to put that around the ten thousand, five
hundred B date BC dight because that's, for one thing,
what Edgar Casey said straight up about the Great Pyramid.
It does match the whole oryan correlation and the Sphinx

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Leo correlation and Nile Milky Way correlation. There are several
reasons for it, but one of the things is I
feel like maybe during that last flood and catastrophe of
Atlantis being destroyed, that might have been when a crustal
displacement could have happened. And if it was like Charles

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Hapcold talked about Emmanuel Vilakovski, then that would mean they
couldn't have been built before the last crustal shift, or
they wouldn't be perfectly or oriented to the cardinal directions.
But that's also not to say what's underneath him couldn't
have been necessarily because they were all you can see
these mounds of earth, and this is what like the

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primordial mounds they described them as, and this is similar
to well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
I've thought about that. Let me let me stop you
right there. Okay, I'm going to clear your head on
this Hapgood's work, which is now being accepted. But he
rolled that rock up hill for a long time, and
he took a lot of criticism. It was very discouraging
for him, but he's stuck to his guns. But I

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the way that I have always looked at it is
here's Africa. It hasn't moved. Everything else has broken off
of it from other directions, but that has always been there.
That's my take. I don't think that it's moved. I
don't think that it has. And that's my take. Everything

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else has broken off. You can see South America where
it came from. You can see where India came you
know what I mean. You can see that. But I
think that right there and at the center of it
all is the Gisa Plateau. I think everything broke away
and went this way. That's my take, and I'm pretty
I'm pretty cocky. I'm pretty cocky with that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Okay, Well, that's not necessarily. You know, crustal displacement is
not the same as tectonic movements because you know, the
crustal displacement means the whole thing just slips over the
mantle when the mantle gets really heated up and lubricated,
kind of slips. So it's not necessarily. If that does happen,

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you know, you'll have two points on the earth that
really don't move, because you know, if it slips this way,
then there's two points on the side that didn't really
go to the poles. You will have two stationary points.
But yeah, I don't know. A lot of Kovski's work
kind of really turned me onto this idea that it
was very likely those things do happen. Not necessarily that

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it happened in twelve thousand years ago. It could have
been much longer ago the last time it happened. But
if that is the case, you know, it would indicate
around that twelve five hundred. But I think there's other
things to say that the Pyramid does likely go back
even further because it's very it's very perplexing when you

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get into how it functions as a professional calendar for
one thing, and this is getting into some Gary Osborne.
I don't know if we're ready to go Gary Osborne.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
He's deep, He's deep. Gary's deep.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Yeah, I'm working on doing a series with Gary. I
think every episode is going to be like five hours long.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
I know, I know Gary's deep. He's a good dude too,
very amazing. Okay, But staying on this, this this idea,
we can see the work of Christopher Dune. We know
about you know, the uh, the underground chamber at the
Great Pyramid, which I've always speculated that it was way

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first before the construction of the Great Pyramid. That's my take,
but I think everybody is pretty solid on that. But
we don't Allegedly, we don't have the same interior mechanical
work done on Coffrey, and I'm bothered by that. In

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that have we not explored enough of Coffrey to understand
what is in there? It seems like it's always been
left alone, that the focus has always been on the
Great Pyramid.

Speaker 4 (01:28:47):
Right, Yeah, I think I think we have basically missed
a lot of what's in Coffra, because you know, obviously
I'm calling it Coffer too, but I don't think Coffer
built it. I don't think they. They don't think that either.
But yeah, in nineteen sixty eight, SRI I've had done
these Muon scans there and they scanned upwards from the

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Belzoni chamber in a cone, a thirty five degree cone.
They scanned they said, nineteen percent of the pyramid, this
is nineteen sixty eight, and then they stopped at that
point and never went back to it. So I'm saying,
why did you guys stop? What happened to the other
eighty one percent of the pyramid? You're not interested? They said, like,

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we've got these new methods, it should be easy for
us to do the whole rest of it now because
we have this new easier way. And that's nineteen sixty eight.
So I'm saying, you know, the Copper Project showed these
five jed column structures. They call them basically the King's Chamber.
They look just like the King's chamber with these five

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four or five relieving chambers on top and a peak roup.
There's five of them they're showing in a you know
four and the corners of one cent within man course,
within Kaffer spyramid. And so you know, everyone's saying, why
didn't he show up in the nineteen sixty eight Muon scans.
That was one of the big questions right off to that.

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And you know, I'm always Money says today was talking
to me about that. I'm always bouncing things off him
because he's one of the best. And so in their
press conference on the March fifteenth, they came out with
these slides and actually showed they showed that exact cone
that it would have just missed these structures, so it

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was as wide as they could have scanned without actually
hitting them, which instantly makes me say did they scan
it all, They found these chambers, and then they decided
they weren't going to tell anyone wanted to keep some
plausible deniability if a team like say Art came through
and actually did it. So in my film with Flipo

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and Armando, I turned it back on the Ministry at
the end and I said, it's on you the burden
of proof. If you think these structures are not inside
that pyramid, then get that move on, scan and equipment
back in there right now. I mean, if you didn't
have the money to do it, or the impetus, whatever
it was, now you should you know, if that he's
going to come out and call Filipo Beyandi thirty years

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working on saar radar technologies amateur, that was his word,
then get your scan pyramids guys in there and do
it yourself. And I have heard they are now actually
working on the Copper Pyramid, which is I haven't seen
any results, but I'm glad to hear that something is
going on with it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Yeah, and these two new chambers in the Great Pyramid,
especially the one above, well both of them we need
to It would be so exciting if we had like
a king tut moment where we find an unmolested void, right,

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how extras.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
I'm after Yeah, I mean, that's what I told Matt
Bell because actually there's a couple of things. We believe
our tunnel from the east actually does reach straight up
to that large void. So I told him, you know,
I'm not against drilling, but I think if there's any alternative,
we should try that first. If there's any chance we

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could get in through one of these tunnels from the east,
we should at least try that, which is what Bill
and I are still right now proposing. We're about to
put in our application for this, which is really exciting
where we finally have all the pieces in place. But
we're saying you ought to look at these tunnels. We
know that Valhi knows at least about one of the
tunnels coming in from the east since nineteen eighty two

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when it was first found, so it's like they know
about a lot of those ones. But there's another one
I wanted to mention as you're bringing this up. My
friend stein Vandenhogan in twenty nineteen, he noticed something on
the Mencor Pyramid, which was on the north face of
it is the main entrance to Mencor's and it's this
bulging out you know, red granite with the nubs on.

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It looks just like.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
God, I love that area. But people never go over
there too, Isn't that crazy? Mencary? Yeah, Mencary the Great
Pyramid is amazing, and Coffrey is amazing. Mencary's mind blowing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
And even just south of it, there's a lot of
excavations they're doing. I got to get some tours of
from a guy last year. It was pretty cool. But
this is really actually pretty huge. The middle of the
face on the north face where the entrance in Mencor is,
they you know, smooth that whole thing in the middle.
There's like a rectangle that's been smoothed at all the

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stones and then they bowled out on the sides like
they're unfinished, like sach A monk style.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
And so what you find on the east face of
Mencor is another one of those smooth add spots right
in the middle all of its base. So there's you know,
in the one in the north there's an entrance going
right in the center of that smoothed out space at
the center of the whole wall. In the east face,
there's just a smoothed out part with no entrance, and
so my friend's dying. He said, he wrote a whole

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paper about it, and he said, this is probably another entrance.
Shouldn't we check that? And some of the scan Pyramids
team with Zahi actually they all just co authored this
paper that just came out, and they scanned that section
on the east face right in the middle. They found
a new shaft going in from the east side, like

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one by one point five meters right behind the central
stone of this central smooth that are smooth they found.
They just found a new entrance and eastern entrance into
Mancoor which you know wouldn't sidetracked much passed beyond that.
But it also correlates exactly to this old resicrution map,

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that templar map that I have that I'm a I've
been trying to release something I got from Tim Hogan actually,
but that relates to the Rosicrucia map that came out
from Harvey Spencer Lewis in nineteen thirty six, where it's
showing a tunnel along the Sphinx causeway from the Sphinx
to the Middle pyramid and splitting off to both others. Well,

(01:35:19):
it's showing the one going down to Mencor and it's
right underneath this entrance that Stein wrote his paper about,
and then just recently the whole Scam pyramid seem got on.
And then there's another tiny, smaller void right off to
the left of there a little but there's about, you know,
one by one point five meter hole right in the center,

(01:35:39):
dead center. It's almost exactly like the one in the
north face. It's very clearly a cheft going straight down in.
So we got an eastern entrance to Mencor.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Yeah, when you go down to the temple complex and
along the canal and the whole Sphinx area, and you
kind of what Andrew Collins did. But it's a very
interesting thing to do is to back off all of
that and just look around. You look at the size

(01:36:12):
of the stones, look at the quarry work, look at
how there are stone We talk about the unfinished obelisk
in Oswan. There's stuff around the Sphinx that is that
mind blowing, I mean crazy big.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
The wall of the crow over there has some huge stone, huge,
and the Muslim cemetery right near there, there's some really
deep wells down there. There's three different the southern Eastern
and Western Mastaba fields. Each one of those different areas
right around the pyramids, they each have probably a couple

(01:36:53):
hundred shafts going straight down.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Yeah, I've seen your videos of that. I don't know
how you didn't get arrested the way that you did
that stuff. Seriously, hats off to you on that. But
when you look at that, it just doesn't fit the
age of everything else that you're looking at there. It

(01:37:15):
looks so much older it does. It looks old and weathered.
It doesn't match. And just to think that it wasn't
that long ago that all of this was just covered
in sand, that this is all just recent discover this
is all new stuff. I want to pull up this
image in the time that we have left. This is

(01:37:39):
this is underneath the plateau. Now you pointed out to
everybody this is from I want to be clear here,
this is part of the Sphinx Current project. But you're
saying that right above here that oh, you can't see
my pointer. But those three three brown areas up on

(01:38:02):
the top of this image, those are the pyramids at
the Giza on the Giza Plateau, right.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Yeah. Yeah, Khanoum Kufa is a great pyramid on the
right and mencor Messernos is the Greek name is on
the left cuffer in the middle. Yeah, okay, so that's
that's about a kilometer wide. If you take go from
the outer corners of the two outer pyramids all the
way tip to tip, that's about one kilometer across. So

(01:38:32):
that's the way you can gauge to that that image
is about a kilometer wide.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Then, and then we have the square area that surrounds
Coffrey right in the middle, right, and so that's that's
Coffrey that is surrounded by the square anomaly.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Well, that's kind of yeah, it's like you're seeing the
pyramid at the top and then it's going down, so
it's kind of elongated. It's squashed out because it's only
about it's like one to one point two kilometers deep,
but only about one kilometer wide. Obviously, it's appearing much
wider than it is tall. But right right right, a

(01:39:14):
cross section across the whole thing basically.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
So that's and I'm referencing this for everybody as they're
looking at this. And if you're listening to this on
the podcast and you can't see these images, go over
to the fade to black YouTube channel and you'll see
Trevor's show there, and then you can watch the video
of this program, so you can see the image that

(01:39:37):
we're looking at here. I had not seen this image
before Trevor sent it to me. Now, Trevor, Okay, So
we have the Giza Plateau on the top, which is
the green, and you can see the pyramids, and then
we have this void in the middle. But we also
have what appears to be I'm just gonna say green

(01:40:02):
because that's how it's image. But we have green formations
that are connecting to what appears to be something subterranean.
How big is the black and blue void in between
the Giza plateau and the and the subterranean part of this?
How deep is that?

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
Well, all those all those forms at the bottom are
at that range of about one to one point two kilometers,
so over one thousand meters. You can kind of see
some of the chefts under Mecarino Mencor pyramid. You can
kind of see over on that left side. There's a
couple of them you can see going down. So right right,
those would be some of the tubes. You can kind

(01:40:45):
of get a hint of tubes. The shafts all throughout it.
But those ones are the ones that it looks like
this tomographic line actually cut through a little better so
you can see them there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
I think that's that's the fountain of youth. By the way,
that's the fountain of you. You're supposed to laugh, Trevor laugh.
It's the fountain of view. Okay, So in the void
area in the middle, but this is what we see
as black here, this would be earth dirt and and

(01:41:16):
and so forth.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
Yeah. Basically, yeah, the colors aren't necessarily showing different materials,
but yeah, you're mostly looking at the edges between different
colors to see indications of forms. So yeah, I don't know,
I'm not you know, well enough first an essay are

(01:41:41):
to explain exactly how how you interpret each one of
the colors. But a lot of the times he was
saying the darker stuff ends up being voids, Like you know,
maybe all that black right at the bottom mixed in
with it is Uh, it's very dark because it's all voids.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Could it be water? It could it be water? I'm
not sure because when we say void, are we saying
void of anything that it's like air?

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Yeah, Well, it depends I think some of the scans
they showed you can see a difference between you know,
whatever level it's at, maybe you know a couple hundred
meters or we know, you know, for instance, at the
Osiris chef it's about one hundred hundred and twenty feet
down is the water table. But that doesn't mean you know,
even just ten feet over. It could be different if

(01:42:35):
it's if there's a drain, you know, if you've got
tubes that are a kilobin or long, you could potentially
drain a lot of water very easily. And we've heard
legends from different people about even areas where the nile
runs underground, you could even divert it into a flowing
source of water that would drain it out continuously. So

(01:42:55):
I'm hesitant to say I know the water table anyway.
There is one good I mean, there's one survey basically
that check the water levels at a few different points
in the plateau, but that was pretty much one of
the only serveys I've ever seen of that done before.
But in some of the images you can see a
difference between two different types of level of I don't

(01:43:16):
know that the colors change at a certain level down,
but you still see the structures going past that. If
Felipa said, that could be the water table right there,
but he's not sure right yet.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
At least, yeah, everybody is talking about the water table,
and I think it's a very important point. And also
the cave system discovered by Andrew Collins too as well.
Why wouldn't we see some of these structures going through

(01:43:48):
that cave system. You know, part of that cave system
does go directly under Coffrey.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
That's what we think at least. Yeah, I get all
of this is you know, remote sensing technology. It's it's
it's evidence, but it's not proof.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
It's not great, it's right, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
It's always it's proof that it's worth an on site investigation,
especially if you have potential ways to get down in
there like we do and we've been saying we have,
then you know, at least potential you know, entrances. Then yeah,
it's the remote sensing only has to show enough to
prove that there's something worth investigating. And then whoever's got

(01:44:31):
the money they want to put up to do the project,
if they're not going to hurt anything, you know, that's
the next step. It's really just getting enough evidence to
get the real proof by going down there ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Two words not geo. Okay, so that's where we're supposed
to laugh again too as well. I'm pointing out my
yeah you get it, geographic Yeah. Yeah. So at the
top we have the green. On the bottom we have
the green. Is that that's suggesting the same material that

(01:45:03):
we see at the top when we look at the
because I want to discuss the brown and the green
on the bottom and these structures with the parallel lines
that you have added to this image. What does the
green represent above and is that the what is it
representing on the bottom half.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
I'm not honestly sure about that. It could be that,
you know, where it switches from green to blue. That
could be where there's a water table, you know, and
maybe even I mean, this is totally I'm just imagine.
I'm speculating here. I really don't know, but it could
be that I don't know. At Juara, we found that

(01:45:47):
the lower chambers were not flooded while the upper ones were.
That's what Carmen Bolter told us from her scans. So
you have to imagine, Okay, does that mean there could
be a sealed off area where the water is not
going below this, and there's actually dry areas underneath the
water table could be if they are digging this straight

(01:46:07):
down through the water table, then we have to ask
how are they able to do any kind of construction
project under the water table if it was under the
water table when they built it, right, But then you
go look at the Assyrians and you realize they could
do that. They could actually build things underwater. We don't
know how, but it's clear. I mean that water at

(01:46:27):
the Assyrian it has always been there. I don't think
it was ever dry. It was. That whole temple is
designed to work with the water, and maybe this could
be as well. We can definitely say that the water
has a major major importance within whatever this function is,
whether it's the energy function or any of the other

(01:46:48):
potential functions, spiritual technology or energy technology. Water had something
to do with it, and they certainly did spend a
lot of time directing water from the Nile to the
Pyramids and back up. Some of these tunnels were certainly
meant to be waterways. That's pretty clear.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
You know they've found a second Assarian? Did you know
about this?

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
A second one? Which are you talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
There's another Assarian. So the director of the complex took
me up there and up and out of outside of
the assarion and points and he goes, you see that.
I go, yeah, there's a bunch of tents and there

(01:47:37):
was like fifty dudes out there with wheelbarrows about a
mile away, right, but I could see everything going on.
He goes, that's another Assarian. We're digging it up right now?
What just like this? Just like this one? Yeah, yeah, crazy.

(01:47:58):
I saw it with my own eyeballs. Yeah wow cool. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Well, I hadn't heard about that. I've heard about something
going on near at Abydos, near there, but I didn't
hear anyone call it a second Assyria. There is actually
what some people call a second Osiris shaft, like the
ass shaft at Giza. There's a structure very similar to
that actually in Luxor, which is interesting too. But those

(01:48:28):
two are very connected as well. They both have these
islands surrounded by water, and you have to go through
the water, and going through the water to get to
the island for whatever ceremony or whatever purpose healing that
would happen there. I think that submersion in water is
really the precedent that became baptism later. It's a ritual purification.

(01:48:49):
And both people say that the water has healing qualities too.
At the Osiris shaft and the Assyrian well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
I did that. I did that in Dendara. I went
to the underground uh furonic lake there and that was
about one hundred feet the stairway. Have you been have
you done that? Have you been down there?

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Okay, So this is okay, I'm going to tell you
about I'm going to tell you about it right now, okay,
in the little time that we have left. As crazy
as this sounds, this is what happens. It's on my birthday.
And so as a gift to me, I am told

(01:49:37):
by the priest and the antiquities people that were there
from the department that they were going to take me
to an underground furonic lake. And so we're in the
back in the closed off section of Dendara. You can't
get back there. And so what we're back and we're walking.
I've got a video, man, I've got the video. It's crazy,
and I'm walking with the priest. I'm walking with the priests,

(01:50:00):
like where we where? Where is it? Because there's nothing
but sand right and the walls which are way out there,
and we're walking and uh, and then he's telling me.
He goes, no shoes, no electricity, no no technology, and
no talking. I go, what what are we doing? And

(01:50:23):
so we walk, we walk, and I see off in
the distance. I see these, uh, what appear to be
three red granite blocks that are buried, but you could
see them in a shape of a U flat. But
I see that, and that's where we're walking. And as
we got closer, in the middle of the U is

(01:50:43):
a friggin staircase man going into blackness. And we walk
up to it and I take off my shoes and
he's you know, he says again, no talking, no electronics.
So I shut my video off and we start walking
and right into the blackness down these stairs a long ways.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
Man, and you faded to black, made it to.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Black, faded to black. And so at a certain point,
I don't know, fifty feet or whatever it was, you
can't see. And so I've got my hand on the
wall and I could feel my feet. Now I've got
my hand on the priest that is in front of me. No,
the priest is in back of me. My guide Jimmy Mohammed.

(01:51:32):
He's in front of me. I got my hand on him.
Can't see anything. The priest has got his hand on
my shoulder, and the three of us are going down.
But I could feel my feet because up top it
was one hundred and ten degrees right, But now I
feel on the steps. As we're going down, it's cooler
and cooler and cooler and cooler, like getting cool and
then started to get a little moist. We get to

(01:51:55):
the bottom of this thirty minutes later or whatever it was.
We get to the and I could hear the water.
I could hear it lapping like on a shoreline. I
could hear it, can't see it, but I could smell it.
And then the Jimmy's in front of me. The priest

(01:52:16):
who is next to me, lights like a candle or something.
No electronics, right, but he lights this thing and holds
it out and I could see, oh dude, I was
flipping out. I could see Jimmy barely faintly out his back,
but he's walking into this lake, a frigging lake, and

(01:52:38):
he's like he's like knee deep in this crystal clear water.
I could see that. I'm looking down at the back
of his legs and he's throwing the water up, you know,
just just throwing this water up. And for a couple
of minutes, I'm just in amazement. I'm in amazement. And

(01:52:58):
he walks by me when not allowed to talk, okay,
so it's all the silence, and he walks by me
and he whispers in my ear it's all yours. Man.
I've run out into the lake and I'm throwing the
water up and it's so cold and crispy, you know.
And I just bathed myself in this and then I

(01:53:20):
had this spiritual moment. It was crazy. And so when
we were yeah, yeah, the spin it was it was
not so. But the priest told me, he said, this
is where the pharaohs would go to ask questions and
get answers. Yeah. Wow yeah. And so walking up and

(01:53:43):
I'm walking I could see the stair the entrance way
up there. Man, we were when they told me one
hundred feet ten stories. They were not exaggerating with that.
It was deep under Dendara. It was crazy, man, crazy crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
I've never heard anything about that is wild.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
That's amazing, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Yeah, I've got a video let me hang on for
a second. I'm gonna let me see if I can
pull this up. Hold on, I don't know how easily
I can. I can do this, but let me see
if I can. Let me see if I can find.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
That you said Mohammed You talking about Mohammed Abraham.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
No, this was somebody else.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Okay, this I have never heard of that before.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. It was crazy, man,
it was. It was absolutely amazing. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
I mean, I've heard of underground lakes before, but I've
never heard of anything at all behind Dendera.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Yep, yep, yep, yep. I have got I have got
a video. Okay, so let me see if I can
pull it up. This way, hang on for a second,
let me see if I can. Let me see if
I can pull this up. If I can, I'll do it.
I can certainly send you the video, but let me
see if I can. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
Okay, Yeah, there was legends of something like that under
Giza too, actually, or of a city that was and
it was on the It was on the shores of
an underground lake that was on the Nile, somewhere deep
under Giza. There's stories about it, someone videos.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
But yeah, this this I did myself and if and
I've talked to William Henry, I've talked to other people
about this that uh you know, uh are specialists when
it comes to Egypt. I've never heard of it. And uh, yeah,

(01:56:01):
I can't let me see here. Let me look at
this one more time. Ah, now I can't find it here.
I thought it was on my desktop, but but I
don't have it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:14):
I was going to show when are you going back?
You gotta take me there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Yeah. It's crazy, man, I mean it's crazy. And when
uh for me to go across and looking like because
they were describing it to me and Trevor, you know, Egypt,
this is what you do, right, So they're describing this
to me, I'm like, where is it? You know it?

(01:56:42):
I what? And right in the middle of the sand
were these three giant red granite stones that were buried.
You're only looking at the top couple of inches, right
like anyu one across the top, two down and in
the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:57:01):
Stair stairwell, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm so glad he shared
that with me, because that's I've never heard of it.
That sounds really really amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely awesome. All right, So what's up next
for you? What are you working on now? What's the
next chapter?

Speaker 4 (01:57:18):
Well, we're pushing for the excavation. We're pushing for the
excavation at two spots right near the Sphinx and right
near the Pyramid causeway. We think we've got basically a
tunnel that's going straight to the Great Pyramid and into
all those hidden chambers. And we think we got a
tunnel that's going straight under the Sphinx. And I mean,

(01:57:39):
I see, we got like three minutes left, so I
can't get into the details too much about it, but
we have so much evidence about this sinks area. This
is why Bill literally bought the building right there, because
he knows there's something really important there. We basically think
we are sitting on the record hall like it's it's
basically within one hundred feet or you know, within one

(01:58:02):
hundred meters let's say, of where we're trying to dig.
So we're pushing for this. We've got a much better
shot than we have ever had in the past. We're
about to put in an application and really hoping everyone
wishes us luck. Believe in this manifest this with us.
Everyone's you know, I keep getting these comments from the

(01:58:24):
people that are they'll never let it happen. You know,
as long as he's there, it'll never happen. They're just
going to keep covering it up. And I'm like, how
powerless are you giving your right right? You're handing it
to them. Oh you think it's impossible, let me tell
you something. William Brown did it three times. He did
it in two thousand and six, got GPR skins of

(01:58:46):
the plateau. Be impossible, He achieved it. He went to
Hawara a couple of years later, he got GPR skins,
improved all the entrances into the labyrinth. He went back
to Giza twenty ten eleven, he got a project to
clear this whole area of trash and debris. He found
another ten dozen different cave entrances right next to his property,

(01:59:08):
and then he literally bought property right outside the wall
to do it. So the people who say it's impossible, No,
it's very difficult. It requires a lot of different requisites,
but it's it's definitely not impossible, and we are really
close to doing it, and I think we can not me,
you know not, I'm not going to be running this project. No,

(01:59:29):
we're trying to fund the right people, the professionals. We
don't need that much equipment. We want to scan this
whole area and dig in one area at least, and
then dig where we find others. But well, two spots
generally that we want to dig, but both are extremely
promising and we think both will if we get the

(01:59:50):
right to dig at either one of these two spots
in the village there on the east, we will in
the first week of work show the world some amazing things.

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
Trevor. Trevor, I've known you for a long time and
it was just so much fun to finally do this.
We've been talking about doing this for years. We're not
exaggerating about that. This goes back a long time. But
I encourage everybody to go over to Trevor's social media

(02:00:22):
and hit him up on Facebook. He's constantly posting very
very cool stuff there and some of the most amazing videos.
And when we talk about when I talk about boots
on the ground, going out there and getting it done,
Trevor is one that does this. He doesn't play around

(02:00:43):
on the front of everything, and it's very exciting. Trevor,
my friend, great night man, and I look forward to
our next conversation, and now that we finally got this
one out of the way, we can start doing this
on a more regular basis. All right, man, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
Thank you so much. Maybe next time we'll be actively
escavating and I can bring you some real, real hot
stuff right off the press.

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, all right, thank you so much much, friend,
so much. Yeah, you're the best, Trevor. You already know that.
And enjoy the rest of your weekend and the rest
of your evening. And I certainly look forward to our
next time right here on Fade to Black. Thank you
so much. All right, thanks the best, Trevor Grossi. Everybody, yeah,

(02:01:28):
go follow him. We've got his links below and stuff,
but very easy to chase down on Facebook and YouTube
and go and look at everything that he presents. It's
absolutely extraordinary, all right, everybody, So listen, this is my Friday.
It is your Thursday, but it's my Friday. So I
am going to start my weekend now. I've got to

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