FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Darryl Anka

Tonight, Darryl Anka joins us to discuss our metaphysical world and what it's like to channel Bashar for over 40 years... DO-NOT-MISS this show!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
This Hope radio for the NASSES headline of July eighth,
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from outside this work. This is Day to Black with
your host Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

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All right, good evening, how you doing Fade to Black? Yeah,
today's Wednesday, August twenty seventh, twenty twenty five. Let's do this, man.
I am your host Jimmy Church, very excited about the
show tonight, except my is going on. Okay now is this? No?

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It's not Oh man, I am going.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
To have to scroll.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I have to do it like this. My teleprompter's not working. Wow. Okay,
we're gonna go old school. We're gonna go old school
on this man. Oh how good is my memory? This week?
On Fade to Black Monday night, we had John B.
Alexander with US government UFO secrecy. Last night, Amy Westmoreland

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was here manifesting what a great conversation last night. Tonight,
darrel Anka is this and we are going to be
talking metaphysical all night, which means we're going to do
whatever we want to do. I do have six or
seven major events coming up, all of them in twenty
twenty six, except for next month. Daryl and I will

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be down in San Diego for the Transcendence Conference. We're
going to be talking about that too as well, and
that is September twenty seventh. Moderators, if you can get
the links up for Susan Ross and let's make that happen.
I have to move something over here. Yeah. This is

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when I don't have automation rolling. Suddenly my world just
comes crushing to a complete halt. Yeah, and it's live. Yeah,
you get to witness this. Yeah. If you could get
everything up and get the promo code up there too
as well, Yeah, that would be great. What movie was that?

(02:59):
Office Space? Yeah? If you could come in this Saturday,
that would be great, and if you can come in Sunday.
I do have six major events coming up. The Conscious
Life Expo that is February twentieth through the twenty third.
After that, I've got the Contact Modalities Expo May first

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through the third in Delavan, Wisconsin at Delavan Lake. I
come back from that for Contact in the Desert May
twenty eight through June first, twenty twenty six. Tickets on
sale this Thanksgiving Day. I've also got two trips to
Peru the next year as well, one for the summer
Solstice and the second one is Peru and Eastern Island.

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And then after that I go over to Scotland for
the Monty Python Tour of Scotland. One of the greatest
films ever made, Monday Python and the Holy Grail. We
will be going to all of the location uh and
and the castles that were used in the movie. We're
also going to go to the Bridge of Death, so

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I'll see everybody for that for the Monty Python Tour
of Scotland. All right, where am I at now? Now
that I don't have I don't have the ability to
do everything that I normally do, right, So let me
let me try this, all right, I'm just gonna wing it. Darryl.

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Darryl is a writer, he's a director. His company is
called Zia Films. I hope I've got that right, Darryl.
Don't come in here and and and throw me around.
But one of my favorite films, and this is just
off of the Cup Alienated and it is just a
sensational film. If you ever get a chance, go and

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check that out as well. And he has been channeling Bishar.
I'm not gonna say four decades, but I might, and
I'm gonna say, welcome back, Daryl. Hasn't been four decades.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yet, it has been over forty years.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
How nuts is that?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh? Yeah, I know, time flies when you're channeling right right.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Right right. That reminds me of one of you know,
going back to Bishar. We're not gonna spend a whole
lot of time on Bishar tonight. But one of the
things that I stole from you, stole from Bishar was
there was this little clip years and years and years

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ago and it was like Bishar on time travel, that
was right. And I listened to that and I stole
a bunch of stuff. I did. I did. I acted
like it was my own. And then I came to you, uh,
probably twelve years ago or so, and I said, man,
I got to confess about this stuff I stole from you.

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And you were like, yeah, that's all right, that's all right.
I said, it was just so complex, and I've never
heard that version of it and those points about time travel.
But that's not what was important. What was important was
I got rid of the guilt. I got rid of
the guilt that I carried with me.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
But you're, oh, the cosmic cops are still on their
way there.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, I know they're gonna come. I'll be cleansed on
so many things except for that, Except for that. But
you just brought up time, and it seems that why
why is it that as you get older in life,
time is more important and you're okay talking about it.

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When we're younger, it's not there, it's not present. But
as you get wiser, right, and your knowledge, time starts
to become something that is a concern because it seems
to be moving faster, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, yeah, because you're focused on stuff when you're older,
that gives you a different relationship to time. You're focused
in a different way than you are as a child.
You're not really concerned so much about it because living
in the moment as a child, you're not really paying attention,
you're not experiencing the passage or time in the same way.

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But as an adult, you have to live in the
moment to sort of experience it that the way a
child does. But a lot of adults don't necessarily live
in the moment. But when they focus on something that's
important to them in life, then their focus is going
that way, their attentions going that way. Time becomes something
that just sort of happens and passes by in the background,

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and before you know it, you look up, you know,
and several days, week, months, years have gone by. But
also I think it becomes our concern because on an
intuitive level, at least, if not a completely conscious level,
you understand that you have a certain limit to your
life path and you don't have as much time left

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to be physical. So we start focusing on it, I
think because in a sense, we're running out of it.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I in recognizing that I have made an absolute life
change that every minute of every day I'm smiling. Yeah,
I'm happy. Yes, yeah, I don't have time to be
pissed out. I could care less. I don't have time

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for it. I don't care about it being happy and
just you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Like that truth, Yeah, absolutely, there is there is no
extra time to spend on things that aren't about what's
really true. For you and what kind of a life
you want to live. So, knowing that your time is
limited when you're an adult, you start making choices for
how to spend that time in a way that is

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more in alignment with who you prefer to be, and
you just don't have time for extraneous stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's amazing how easy I find it that I can
cut somebody out of my life so easily. Now. Dude, dude,
I've got a sharpened axe, you know what I mean.
It's just like I can cut those cords so easily now,
and I wasn't like that when I was younger. Now

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I just don't know, man, I don't have time for it.
I want to smile.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, well, I mean kind of. As Bashar says, it's like,
you know, even after you have gone through the process
of letting go of any particular negative or fear based beliefs,
you continue the process by then letting go of the
things that are simply no longer relevant for who you
prefer to be. And it doesn't mean that you know
you're cold about it. You just recognize at a certain

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point when certain things and situations and relationships are simply
not vibrationally compatible with how you want to spend the
rest of your life, and so you make choices and
make decisions. You're going to meet everyone back in spirit anyway,
so you know, it doesn't really ultimately matter. They're not
completely cut out at all of your life as it

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continues on in spirit. But you know, while you're physical,
you can make choices that are representative of what you
really prefer to focus on. And sometimes that may require
that a relationship changes in a certain way to allow
you to do that, And that's perfectly fine as long
as you are, you know, not being a jerk about it.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, true, true, true. We have known each other for
a long time and we've had many, many, many, many
many conversations. And what I enjoy about that is you
leave the first impression zone right and get all of

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that stuff out of the way. But now you're free
to ask more freedom of thought questions because it's out
of trust, right, all right? So what do I ask
darryl Anka that I have? I mean, where do we go?
But I thought about something. I ask most of my
guests this, and it doesn't matter what their background is.

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It simply doesn't matter, because everybody has an opinion. But
I've never asked you this question, Okay, is consciousness of
the physical or non physical?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Non physical?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Why?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, let's see. You know, it's a very interesting synchronicity.
This must have been somebody telling me we were going
to talk about this, because I was actually thinking about
this about two hours ago, and it just kind of
came into my head out of the blue.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
So it's about when I thought I had my thoughts
that I just related to you, by the way.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Okay, So yeah, so synchronistically I knew this was coming up. Well,
the idea is, you know, Einstein said energy equals matter,
matter equals energy, And the idea is is that matter
is just another form of energy, and energy is another
form of matter. And if there is consciousness being expressed

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through matter, there has to be also consciousness expressed through energy.
And since our soul is energy, our physical self is
expressed as matter. I don't see any reason why consciousness
can't express itself in both conditions, in both states of being.
But in terms of what I understand the physical world

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to be as a projection of consciousness from what Bushar
has described, in a sense, it's the old phrase as above,
so below the as above comes first, So below is
a secondary expression. Physical matter is a crystallization of energy,

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which is in a sense the original state of existence.
Everything happens in the energy form, and then some of
it materializes and transforms into the material form as well.
So linearly speaking, yes, I think that consciousness is from

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the energy level, and it has the capacity to materialize
itself express itself through the material version of energy, and
so you know, I just look at it that way.
But of course from the higher level it all exists
at the same time. So that's really a linear question

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which came first, and I'm giving you a linear answer.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, and what is interesting about that? It's an interesting take.
Is there going to be a point if that is
the case. Is there going to be a point where
science will eventually catch up to consciousness and be able
to test it and measure it and figure it out

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if it is. Indeed, going back to Einstein's basic principles.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I think there probably will be some methodology that will happen.
But I also think that what is actually considered a
scientific approach itself will change, and therefore they'll find new
ways of describing things that will fit into the scientific modality.
As it transforms be able to accept other concepts because

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look at what happened between Newton and then Einstein. We
had to come up with new ways of even expressing
something to still consider it to be science, because if
we were still doing things the way that Newton understood them,
we had no language for what Einstein finally discovered until

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we created language for it. So science evolves as well
by expanding its understanding, but it also has to expand
what it considers its terminology to be and how it
describes things. So I do think science will be able
to do that kind of measurement in the future, but
I think they will also probably have to change what

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they understand about how to measure things like that.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
If we take the linear part out and we then
go to the chicken or the egg, what did come first?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Nothing? Neither came first. They both coexist simultaneously.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
But something okay, but something.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Hard and effect. Cause and effect is a linear experience.
It's just the way it expresses itself. In physical linear reality,
everything exists simultaneously. Everything is its own concept. We make
those connections from physical reality in a way that then
gets laid out in our understanding of before, now and

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after sure, but the concepts all exist simultaneously.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I don't want to get caught in the the kung
fu moment that David Krrodine always had. Right to go up,
you must first go down, right, you know, and you
get into all these things and so okay, But how

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is it possible for things to have been created at
the same time. I'm talking about the physical and the
non physical consciousness.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Let's go with an analogy that Bishar often uses.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
But is it is it magic?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Is it spiritual? And that's film strip? Look at a
film strip. Okay, you have all the frames on the
film strip all existing at the same time. But when
you run them through the projector you only see them
one at a time, and you see them in a
certain sequence. That doesn't mean all the frames don't exist
at the same time. The projectionists can stretch out the

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film strip and see all the frames at once from
that perspective, but from the person sitting in the movie
theater looking at the screen, they're only seeing one frame
at a time, experiencing the movie Linearly, the projectionists can
look at any frame in any order that they want,
because all the frames are there at the same time.

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That's a simplistic analogy, but that's what I'm describing.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
So consciousness, okay, but if we go back, let's go
back infinitely backwards. Let's go backwards infinitely. If we go
back and the first versions of consciousness are swimming around
like little tadpoles going oh man, there's a particle. Let's

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dive in and bring it to life. Well, the experiences
would have to have already been there in consciousness to
make that sentient thought. So it would seem to me
that consciousness was first.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But you're
looking at it linearly, so. Yes, from our linear perspective,
consciousness is first. That's why I said, I'm answering you
linearly so. But the idea is that everything, everything exists
at the same time, because when you're looking at it
from the higher perspective, there's no division anymore. All that

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is is all that can possibly be, and all of
the things that it is all have to exist all
at once for it to be what it is.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Science and physics today is getting more and more comfortable
with the idea that the past, the president, and the
future are all happening at the same time exactly. I
love that discussion, but man, it makes my brain hurt.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, it takes a while to wrap your mind around
higher dimensional perspectives. And you know, it's part of our growth,
it's part of our evolution to be able to expand
our bandwidth, so to speak, so that we can incorporate
more of the way that existence as actually structured. But

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it's not like we have to understand at all. We
just have to understand what's relevant for our life path
that moves us forward, that lets us learn the lessons
for our soul's growth. So you know, we can take
it so far. We don't really have to take it
much farther than whatever level of that understanding helps us
move forward and is relevant for our lives.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Now, let's let's accept that. Okay, let's accept that. Okay,
will there be a point where we could I'm going
to say, in real time because we have the now now,
that's it, right, okay, Now, now the past went that
way and the future oh right, we okay.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
All right?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I love that that way to look because you can
never quite but will we reach a point where, while
being in the now, now and in the moment, where
we can actually experience the pass and actually experience the
future in real time.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
There are two versions of an answer I can give you.
First of all, let's just get this out of the way. Obviously,
if you go back into spirit, yes, you can experience
that simultaneously. Because spirit is the perspective of the projectionist,
you can see it all. So that's a given. In

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physical reality, there are moments that people do experience that
can be representative of that. Things like deja vu can
be representative of our mind, our consciousness suddenly incorporating more
than one reality, whether it be a reality of parallelness,

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or whether it be a different reality we would consider
another time. There can be those overlaps. There can be
those let's just say, bleed throughs or glitches where for
some reason our senses can actually pick up on things
like that. That can be a representation of psychic functioning

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and deja vu and other kinds of phenomenon, that phenomena
that are seemingly out of sync with what we consider
normal linear reality to be. So those could be examples
of when we all of a sudden expand our bandwidth

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enough to start incorporating different levels of reality into something
that sort of makes sense and doesn't make sense in
terms of how we experience our physical reality, because when
people have DejaVu, it's like, oh, that's so strange. I
know what's about to happen because I feel like it's
happened before. Well, that's exactly the idea of Okay, I

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know what's about to happen. So in a sense, you're
seeing the future, but you're also giving the explanation that
the only reason you know that is because it feels
like it's already happened, so you feel like it's from
the past. So you're converging those two future pasts into
the now and having this experience we call DejaVu.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
How do we explain I talk about deja vous all
the time, and I don't want to have this comment
be lengthy. I want it to be a question. But
the reason why I find it so fascinating is because
I've had it constantly since I was.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
A little kid.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I love it, I stop, I enjoy the moment. I've
never been able to explain it, and I don't know
if I really care about an explanation, but I enjoy it.
But that is a mystery that for me, how do
we explain deja vu in terms of why it happens

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well and how it happens.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Because it happens, we'll just explain how it happens mechanically,
your band with your sensory bandwidth expands back to something
more like the soul perspective. That's what I'm saying. Remember,
you're in the soul, are you are your soul? Physical
reality is within the soul. It's not a separate place.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
But who is choosing to reveal that deja vous at
that moment?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
It could be part of what you planned on your
soul path to keep you aligned in a certain way,
to keep you aware that there's more than you may
think just physically. It could be something that your spirit
guides are doing, helping you to experience something that gives
you a different kind of perspective, or a momentum in
your life. It could be activated by both of you.
So it doesn't really matter how it's triggered. The point

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is why is it triggered? And from my perspective, from
my experience, it gets triggered because it's an indication that
you are growing, you are evolving, or you are keeping
yourself on track by giving yourself a number of what
most people would call supernatural experiences to constantly remind you
this physical reality is not all there is. It keeps

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you going, and it keeps you aligned with that understanding
that you're more than just this physical experience. That's what
a lot of synchronicity is about. That's what de avou
can be about. It tells you there's something more beyond
what your physical senses are normally picking up on. You
expand your senses at that moment to pick up on
something bigger. You become closer to your soul self and

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see a little bit from your soul's perspective, so that
you can remind yourself you are more than just this
physical person.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
When I was a kid, I'm going to say I
was probably eight nine years old. I'm going through a
de javu, and I went up to my teacher, Missus Lafferty.
Uh it was fourth that was her name, Missus Lafferty,
fourth grade. And I went up to her and said
on all that I love Darryl. Somebody's read my book

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just like that. She goes, what are you talking about?
I said, I know what everybody's about to say, yeah,
and she goes, what are you talking about She goes, oh,
it's deja vu. I'm like what, But that was my
comment right as an innocent little kid. Somebody has read

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my book. It was just never really let that go.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah that's cool, Yeah, that's that's like saying I've got
a glimpse ahead on my life path.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I didn't like it, I didn't dig it, but you.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Like it now?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, I like it now. No, somebody's read my book.
Somebody knows what's about to happen. And yeah, yeah, there.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Is always somebody that knows what's about to happen. Maybe
on another level, but there is always somebody, probably in
your spirit team, that knows exactly what's about to happen,
because all they're doing is watching what you've laid out
for yourself on your life blueprint.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
How do we when we talk about deja vou and synchronicities?
You know, when when I'm intered you at at a conference,
which are always great, but we've got you know, a
thousand people in front of us. They get it, right,
they get it. We're not we're not selling anything at

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that point, right, they're there, they get it and they understand.
But so many on this planet don't get it and
dismiss dja vous and dismiss synchronicities. What's what What's going
to be the light switch when suddenly everybody goes wow,
consciousness is key.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Well, that's hard to say. There could be any number
of triggers if it is even part of their life
path to figure that out. It may not be, but
everyone will set up some situation for themselves on their
life path. If it's going to get triggered, they'll set
that up ahead of time so that they will arrive
at that trigger point. And it could be any number
of things. It could be hearing somebody quote a line.

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It could be seeing a UFO. It could be looking
at the night sky. It could be anything that might
trigger them to understand a certain concept. Who knows, but
it seems.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
That yes, you're right. And here's the crazy part about that, Daryl.
Everything that you and I are talking about right now
has been talked about for thousands of years. Just crack
open the Bible and God said, right, Angels from the
heavens mirror. All of these things that we talk about

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today that get dismissed are accepted when you put religion
into the picture. And God said, and God spoke suddenly
that's okay.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah. But I also do think that more and more
and more people are understanding, at least to some degree,
the more spiritual approach that I think now we're discussing.
I think that they're starting to understand, at least a
little bit more that you can have a direct relationship

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with all that is, with eternity, with the universe, with God, Goddess, whatever.
And so I think that more people are starting to
understand that this is just another way of looking at
existence that's a little bit more personal, rather than always
having to have a go between explain it to you

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from their perspective, which is kind of more what religions
are about. So it's fine if religion works for you,
that's fine. It's you know, it's it's a permission slip
like anything else. I personally would prefer to have a
more direct understanding of how existence works. And I'm not

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saying I'm just coming from a scientific point of view.
I'm coming from a spiritual point of view. And it's
what you said earlier. I do think that in many ways,
a lot of cutting edge physics and a lot of
metaphism is really saying the same thing from two different perspectives.
And I know a lot of scientists balk at that,

(30:06):
but I do believe it will become more obvious in
the future that quantum physics and metaphysics are tied at
the hip.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, for sure, for sure is gonna make it so.
And here here's the is there? How do I want
to I don't want to piss anybody off. Is there?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
You don't want to say?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Is there a pyramid? I know, I know, I know?
Is there a pyramid structure to consciousness? Is there somebody
calling the shots? Is there a corporate ladder? And then
as CEO of consciousness.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I would not phrase it in that hierarchical way. Obviously
there are different levels in consciousness, different levels of awareness.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
And obviously if we're talking about you know what Bishar
calls all that is, which is another way of saying, God, Goddess, whatever,
you can certainly position that at the apex if you
want to think hierarchically, because it is all that is,
has all awareness, you know, all existence, all experience, and

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if you want to say that's the top of the pyramid,
then you can. I don't think all that is necessarily
sees itself that way, because it is everything, and everything
is a part of it. So I would say it
kind of probably sees itself more as a sphere than
a pyramid, because it is no matter what direction it looks,

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it sees itself it no matter what direction it looks,
there's a part of it that is doing something that
it experiences as another reflection of itself. So I would
call it more of a sphere than I would a pyramid.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I've always considered there has to be a shot caller
of consciousness. No, that's the way I look at it.
I do.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
You're the shot caller. You're the shot caller of your experience.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
But when I get that, but when I get to
the spiritual plane, there's more experience there.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
There is more experience. But you're looking at someone than
that's more like a mentor. They're not calling the shots
for you. They're capable of telling you more about what's
available to you and what do you want to do.
We're giving you more options because here's our experience, this
is possible. And now you know that it's still left

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up to you to call the shots with your soul's
free will about what it is you want to experience.
So yes, of course, there are different levels of being
that are more experienced by far, but they're not calling
the shots. In fact, a being that is truly wise
will never try to call the shots for you because
they know you have your own life path. They will

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give you all the information they can. They will give
you all the options that they can. You will consult
with them, you'll talk to them, you'll commune with them. Ultimately,
you have to call the shot about what it is
you wish to experience. They'll back you on it, but
it's your it's your choice.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
So a new planet out there right springs to life,
and then things happened, I mean, no acids build up
and magic happens and all of that, and suddenly there's
a form of life. It seems that somebody has to
make the decision and go, Okay, all of you conscious

(33:41):
soul dudes and do debts, let's let's go check out
this new planet. Let's go let's go occupy some particles.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, but that's a suggestion. It's not something that somebody
says you have to do. There will be those who
will want to volunteer for it because hey, that looks exciting, right,
you know, It's like somebody saying, hey, let's go to
Magic Mountain, and somebody saying, oh, let's go to Disneyland. Well,
what do you want to do? Okay, I want to
go to Disneyland. Okay, I want to go to Magic Mountain.
So different souls go in different directions to have different
experiences when something is available for them to do.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
That, and not to rag on Richard Dawkins because he's
too fun to rag on. But we're not going to
do that. We're not going to do that right now.
But when when we get into the reductionist, materialists, determined,
atheist world of skeptics, you know, you know, truly fun people.

(34:39):
When you get into too that world, they will say
that life just happened and it was an accident, and
it's just DNA and RNA and it was just a
miracle of lightning hitting a crystal and you know, I know,
you know, yeah, and and I think of the odds.

(35:03):
I don't know what the number is on that, but
the odds of that happening are to the extreme. There
has to be some guidance behind that type of creation
and movement.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
There definitely can be, but it's not really something that
it doesn't really work to come at it from the
position of odds, because in an infinite universe, everything will
happen at least once, if not more than once. So
you can't really come at it from an odds perspective
because the odds are the same for anything in an

(35:40):
infinite universe. It can happen, it will happen. But the
idea really is that, you know, a completely materialistic reductionist
perspective is actually self canceling because to take the materialist
reductionist perspective to its extreme. I'm not saying every reduction
of does that, but many of them do, and they're

(36:03):
basically saying, well, even your own thoughts are just random
occurrences of chemistry in your brain. Now, if that's the case,
then that means your thoughts have no value and no meaning,
including the thought that your consciousness is just a product
of random chemistry in your brain. So we don't really

(36:24):
need to listen to anyone who's coming from that perspective
because they've just admitted that their opinions have absolutely no
value since it's just a random expression of chemistry in
the brain.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I'm going to steal that. That's stolen, Daryl, that's done.
That's stolen. Okay, I'm going to steal that well, grant
well because it has to be that way. And when
they go and make these types of comment, I don't
think that they actually realize when they go, oh, free
will is just math. There is no free will. It

(36:57):
was just gonna happen anyway. Well, so that means with
words coming out of your mouth, you didn't decide to
do that. That that is math making those decisions.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I mean, if that were really true, how how would
we ever understand anything anybody ever said, because it would
make no sense whatsoever. You could utter a sentence and
I wouldn't know what the hell you were talking about
if it was totally random. You know, it's a That's
what I said. It's a self canceling argument. Plus on

(37:28):
the other side of it, even if they're correct in
terms of their materialistic causation of physical life, that still
doesn't cancel out the possibility of spirit in any way,
shape or form. All they're saying is, well, this is
how the physical vehicle is created. This is how you

(37:50):
create a vessel through which life can express itself. That doesn't,
in any way, shape or form, erase the possibility that
spirit is and expressing itself through that form that was
created by lightning strikes and amino acids. So it doesn't
really disprove anything to even say that it was created

(38:12):
this way. You know, the.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Is there, you know, staying on the subject, is there
a basic, one, single fundamental thing that ties all of
this together? Is Is it an entanglement?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
A lot of science seems to be thinking that entanglement
is a fundamental principle or expression that can explain many
things that we experience in the physical universe. I do
tend to agree with that to an extent. I don't
know that they've arrived at a place where they understand

(38:58):
certain things that it might explain. I think they're, you know,
they're focused in a certain way on it, but I
don't necessarily think it's the only thing. I mean, if
you want to call an entanglement can be another expression
for synchronicity, since synchronicity basically is saying everything is interconnected,

(39:19):
which is another way of saying it's all entangled. So
if you want to you know, take it to that
you know, approach, take it in that direction, then yes,
I mean synchronicity is linear space time's way of showing
you that everything is connected and everything exists at the
same time. It's an orchestration, it's not an accident. So

(39:40):
since entanglement is not an accident and synchronicity is an
expression of something that's not an accident, then there can
be a relationship between those two terms. Sure, and it
can describe the structure of existence.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, so I mentioned entanglement for you, is there another
fundamental underlying principle that connects everything?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, I mean existence itself is an underlying principle that
obviously connects everything. You exist as a that's a fundamental
quality that you have. Is you exist, you are. You
can't become that which doesn't exist, because your fundamental quality
is to be. And from Bushar's perspective, there's actually, by definition,

(40:28):
no such thing as non existence. Non existence by definition
doesn't exist. That's its quality to not exist. So that
which exists cannot become that which doesn't exist because non
existence doesn't exist. So there's nowhere for existence to go.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Is though, is science? Is science starting to hold humanity
back where well, some.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Of the ideas maybe you.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Know, it's gotten so narrow stead of spreading out and
going wide it's gotten narrow and then.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's why I was commenting on things
like cutting edge quantum physics. I think that the people
that are involved in cutting edge quantum physics are actually
going far beyond and approaching metaphysical concepts and ideas. I mean,
when you you know, when you have a principle in

(41:24):
quantum mechanics that basically says something to the effect of,
you know, things aren't really there until you observe them, Well,
that's pretty damn close in a way to saying that
it's your consciousness that brings it about.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
So yeah, and that's their way of saying it without
saying consciousness, by the way, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Now, I do think they have to start including consciousness
in their equations for certain things to make sense. But
I think they will get there. I think because they
will have to. And I think also, you know, once
we actually have something like open contact with extraterrestrials, we're

(42:09):
going to be able to learn a lot from them
about these subjects much more quickly because they will be
capable of making themselves available to us, to those that
are interested in evolving this and pushing this knowledge forward.
So I think we're going to make a lot of
rapid progress in the understanding of these concepts after we

(42:30):
have open contact, which, as far as Bashar and actually
several other psychics independently have said, is probably going to
be happening in another couple of years.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Well, you've been saying that what is amazing about that,
not you of Bishar, that Bashar has been making these
comments about everybody, you know, you and I have seen
how many times have well, I'll say Bishar, because you're
not there, it's Bishar that's there. How many times has

(43:01):
have Bishar and I watched somebody step up to the
microphone and go, okay, man, when when?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
When?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
When? And and so Bishar has been addressing this for
a while, pretty laser focused on this, uh you know,
twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven by a timeline. And
then here we are right where this conversation is now
happening not only within our community but on Capitol Hill,

(43:30):
and we've got three i AT lists, you know, entering
this solar system coming around and and all of these
Suddenly it seems that Bishar was right. I'm not saying
Bishar has been vetted. I'm saying that We've been talking
about this for a long time now, it's it's the
normies that are talking about this, Daryl, right.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I know, yeah, you're having all sorts of you know,
UFO discussions, like you said in Congress, and and and
so on and so forth. This has become you know,
realistic to people. I know that a lot of people
aren't necessarily willing to make the leap and say oh,
it's ets, but they're finally saying, hey, UAPs and UFOs, yes,

(44:14):
this is real. We're trying to find out what it is.
We have whistleblowers coming out saying what they believe it
is because of what they've seen. So you know, again,
this comes back to what I've always said, this is
the biggest secret that everyone already knows, and it's just
going to finally get to the point where it's like, oh, yeah,
they're here, of course they are. You know.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
The the going back to science for a second, the
closed mindedness of science. When we look at the ideas,
not just from our community, just in general on how
space travel and interstellar travel would happen and could happen.

(45:00):
We science is chained and held back due to the
theories and discoveries from the turn of the century, right, and.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
For the most part, yes, But like I'm saying, there
are cutting edge people and there are cutting edge theories
that are making their way into the mainstream.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
But here's the problem. Okay, but this is my point though, Darryl, Yes, correct,
But we can't get enough of the science community to
talk and to work with each other on these other
alternative ideas. It's it's very strange. Everybody's just so compartmentalized

(45:44):
and focused on old theories.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yes, but that's usually the way it happens. Anyway, When
has any major change ever actually been started by probably
any more than one or two people, and it takes
a long time for everyone to catch up, and ultimately
they finally do, but or that people die out that
don't and then the next generation takes it up and
it's like, oh, well, of course it's this way because

(46:09):
the next generation has a better perspective on it and
they've grown up with it. So you know, that's the
way humanity appears to have evolved over time. And there
are certain theories that are more expansive, that are, like
I said, making their way into the mainstream because we
are gaining more insights by certain experiments into the way

(46:31):
that reality does actually function. And therefore there are a
few more scientists more and more, I think every day,
that are going, okay, that could be a possibility. At
least we're willing to admit that could be a possibility.
You know. You've got like people like Miguel Alcubieri who's
come up with the warp drive, you know, and then

(46:53):
another article that I saw recently going yes, we can
probably do it even more efficiently than we thought, but
we just don't have the technology yet. But on paper,
the math completely works. We now know warp drive is possible.
Many scientists looking at those equations go, yeah, you're right.

(47:13):
You found a way around the obstacles and impediments of
the old paradigm, and you have just mathematically demonstrated that
warp drive is possible. We're just not there technologically yet,
but at least that's a big leap for a lot
of scientists to even say, okay, now we know that

(47:34):
it's possible to get to the next star in like
a week or two instead of you know, thousands of years.
And that means because of that realization, well, if there's
a civilization out there that is even just a few
hundred years ahead of us, they may have already figured
out the technology to get here. So you know, when

(47:57):
one little discovery is made, it does have a ripple
effect into other discoveries, and that accelerates the whole process.
Now for those that are just going to stubbornly refuse
to look at those things, well, at some point, like
I said, they're either going to be left behind or
there's going to be a shock to the system that's

(48:17):
going to make them go, oh gosh, I guess they
were right all along. We'd better get on board. And
one of those things could obviously be when open contact
occurs publicly, because if you suddenly are facing a literal extraterrestrial,
the first question is how did you get here? Well,
we came by this, and we got here in like

(48:40):
two days from that star system. It's like, okay, I
guess we were wrong.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yes, yes, yes, What are you.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Going to say? At that point? It's staring you in
the face. So you know, different people will react in
different ways. Some may still stubbornly refuse to believe it,
but I don't think that will ultimate be the majority,
at least not within a few years after contact, because
I think nobody will want to be left behind in

(49:08):
terms of the things the ETS have to teach us.
So there may be stubborn nations that want to hold
on to the way that they've always done things, and
they may lag behind, but eventually they're going to realize
that if they kind of don't get on board with
the rest of humanity, they're going to be left in
the Stone age.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
What happens to and don't pull the kung fu move
on me here? Okay, what happens? What happens to time?
If a warp drive principle comes into play and we
zip out to Alpha Centauri or wherever we go, but.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
With nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, not with warp drive, with
time dilation. With just normally trying to speed up to
the speed of light and getting clothes, then you have
time dilation because you are attempting to move faster through
the fabric of space time. But warp drive creates a

(50:14):
space time bubble around your ship. You are moving with
space time or it's moving with you, so there is
no time dilation at all. You don't change in the
warp bubble. The warp bubble is a movement of space
time itself, and space time, as every astrophysicist knows, can

(50:36):
actually move faster than light. That's the only thing that
can because it's the actual fabric of space time itself.
There is no limit on how fast space time can move.
There is only the limit on how fast things can
move in space time. But space time go as fast
as it wants. So if you can wrap a bubble

(50:56):
of space time around your ship and isolate it from
the dielation effect, you can zip across the universe. You know,
in microseconds. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
And so let's put our star trek helmet on for
a second. Okay, so you're watching the Enterprise warp warp
warp planet to planet stars at warp warp, zig zags
warp warp warp, and effectively they could still you're suggesting
that they could return to Earth. And time hasn't changed.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Time has not changed, your dog hasn't died, your your
kids are they're not affected by time by being in
a warp bubble.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
And I feel better.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
They're taking space with them.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I feel better. I was concerned.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I was no it's it could have been a problem.
And that was kind of one of the stumbling walks
because everyone just assumed, well, we would just have to
travel faster and faster within the fabric of space time,
and that's going to cause time dilation. And yeah, so
if you're gone for you know, eight years, traveling at
the speed of light, you come back, go out four years,
come back four years. Yeah, everyone on Earth that you

(52:05):
know will have long since died, could be thousands of
years later. So warp bubble cancels that effect. Same thing
with a wormhole, Yeah, because it is literally a tunnel
or a shortcut. You're not affected because again it's part
of the fabric of space time. It's like suddenly finding

(52:26):
a slide and sliding down it, you know, and getting
somewhere else faster, because you're dealing with something that is
part of the structure of space time itself. In fact,
I just heard there's a recent theory I think Neil
degras Tyson was talking about it on YouTube or something
where wormholes may literally be the threads of the fabric

(52:50):
of space time, so they could be everywhere and anywhere.
And I do believe from what I have understood and
seen that a lot of UFOs do in fact come
through portals and wormholes and dimensional gates. So again, it
doesn't affect the experience of time because it's just using

(53:10):
space time the structure of space time in the way
it's designed to get where you need to go without
experiencing the time dilation effect.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
There was. I'm going to read a piece of this
to you because this was absolutely incredible, and this was
a press release from yesterday, and it is this all right.

(53:40):
By analyzing the data from the Meerkat International Gigahertz tiered
into Extragalactic Exploration Survey, astronomers have discovered a new rotating
galaxy filament. The filament is about five point five million
light years long and connects fourteen galaxies together. The finding

(54:07):
was reported August eighteenth on the pre Print Server archive.
Now I pull that apart and I look at it,
and I don't see filament. I see wormhole, right, could be? Yeah,
could be?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Could be a filament, may be an indication in the
structure of space time of the existence of wormholes. It
could be other things. It could just be the way
that galaxies are interconnected and spread out within the universe
as well. It could be an energy link of a
different type, but it might be a representation energy link

(54:44):
of a wormhole. We don't know that yet.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, and before we take a break, we're going to
do that in a couple of minutes. Again, a question
that has been thrown at a Shar many times. But
how how what's the propulsion system for Bishar's craft? Oh?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Boy? Okay. What they basically do is they understand that
location is a variable that describes an object. It's not
a place an object exists in as much as it

(55:24):
is that the idea of a location exists in an
object as part of its energy equation, so to speak.
In changing the energy equation of the location, they literally
physically change the location of the object instantaneously. It leaves
where it was and it takes up residents where they

(55:47):
have reidentified its location, without actually traveling in between. Now,
the interesting thing is I have always only heard Bishard
describe his modive traveled that way until two days ago.
I happened to be looking at one of the Dolores

(56:07):
Cannon books, and it's called Custodians. And on page two
twenty four of that book, under hypnosis, when she is
ostensibly talking to an et through a hypnotized subject, that
Et said exactly the same thing. We dial in the
vibration of the location, and we just appear there. That's

(56:31):
the first time I've ever heard any other source say
the same thing that Mishard said.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
What does that tell you?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
It tells me that what he's saying is a real technology.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
No, yeah, okay, continue, I'm sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Well, and what it tells me is that again, see
like entanglement. I think one of the things entanglement shows
us is, you know, originally Einstein called it, oh, spoony
action at a distance. I don't think it's spooky action
at a distance that entanglement reveals. I think entanglement reveals

(57:09):
that there's no such thing as distance, that it's an
illusion that everything exists here and now, and those entangled
particles that appear to be light years apart are still
actually fundamentally right next to each other, and therefore that's
why they're affected instantaneously, regardless of how many light years

(57:31):
away one may be from the other. And like that,
the idea of vibrationally relocating yourself by changing the locational
frequency of an object is another way of saying, look,
this object, like a hologram, exists everywhere in the universe,
potentially all at once. And if I simply shift the

(57:54):
vibration of its location, then its appearance will stop being
a position A, and its appearance will start being at
position B, where I have now reidentified it because it
potentially existed there to begin with, because everything exists everywhere,

(58:16):
all at once.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, And what supports that? And I just love that.
What supports that is one of the things that they
say about entanglement, which really makes it crazier, is yeah,
distance that doesn't matter, or any mass or objects that
are in between, right, yeah, And if that and this

(58:39):
is what we have to take a break. But this
is what flies in the face of science. They they
grasp and they hold as they should. Equals mc square.
Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. You
will have infinite mass. Time will be at a standstill
once you get there. Right, Okay, So they they've just

(59:00):
cemented that, I'm going to use the word dogma, right,
they've cemented that as fact. Well, if that's the case,
then their argument for entanglement, which has basically been proven
and tested entanglement, whatever is happening in between those particles

(59:20):
at light years apart, is now there has to be
something traveling. No, no, no, I'm saying, you are saying that,
I'm saying it. They are wrong, is what I'm saying.
You can't have that that communication because that is traveling

(59:40):
faster than the speed of light. It's traveling in the
speed of Now. Therefore, you can't have your cake and
eat it too too. Yes, And that's my point. That's
my point. That's my point. I get it. But they
repeat themselves with this. That's the other thing. It's like,
you're smarter.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Than this, but they but they know that entanglement exists,
so eventually they're going to have to figure that out.
I know.

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Darryl Anka is with us. Uh called this shell just
talking metaphysical. Uh. Darryl and I are just having a
riff ridden conversation about everything, and so we're going to
continue that and one of my favorite things to do, Darryl,
is to make you laugh. You've got one of the

(01:04:36):
best laughs man in the world. Man, it's just it's
just phenomenal. When when I'm able to pull that off,
I appreciate it's one of my challenges. Now I want
to take the time to talk about your experience on
one side of channeling and Bishar. We don't need to.

(01:05:01):
You can talk about Bisha if you want, but I'm not.
That's not where I'm going with this. Where I'm going
is your experience. Now. We everybody wonders what is happening
when that goes down? So I want to discuss that
a little bit. And we were just talking about entanglement.
Is that and not to be just so basic about this,

(01:05:27):
but is it entanglement that is allowing channeling to occur?

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Kind of because what's happening, as I understand it physically,
is that my brain way rate alters comes somewhere closer
to his brain frequency. He alters his to come somewhat
closer to mine. When our frequencies match, they lock and

(01:05:58):
start harmonizing, and then information can be transferred over that connection,
regardless of distance or anything. Because we're operating on a
similar wavelength, which allows me to function as a translator
for his thoughts because they become my thoughts, and I'm

(01:06:20):
acting kind of as a translation device or a telephone
by linking with his vibration. So in a sense, yes,
it's kind of similar to the concept and maybe exactly
the concept of entanglement, because I think it has to
do with vibration and resonance and being on a similar frequency.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
When when I have the greatest job in the world,
I really not. Maybe you do. I don't know. We
can debate that, but I've got a pretty cool gig
and a lot most people don't understand my position, and
I'm going to say our position. But when you and

(01:07:04):
I are standing off the side of the stage, right, yeah,
you and I are talking about a good pizza recipe,
We're talking about family, We're talking about what that's what
we're doing over there, right whatever? Yeah, yeah, And then
I'll turn to you and go you ready, and let's
do this, Jimmy right, and I go out do the introduction.

(01:07:27):
But Daryl, who I was just talking about a Claire
recipes with, is who walks out on that stage and
the introduction happens I walk off of the stage. At
that moment when the connection is made, what do you see?

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I can see patterns of energy. I can see shapes,
symbolic shapes, I can see literal images, depending upon what
might need to come through or what might represent a
conversation about to happen. I feel a lot of his

(01:08:16):
particular mentality, emotionality. I start to see things from his perspective,
So it's like the universe just kind of opens up,
I guess is the best way to describe it. I
experience what I've described as a crashing waterfall of energy

(01:08:39):
coming through, and then it translates into language that would
be the spray that you get. But I'm immersed in
this flow of energy, So it depends on what the
subject is that somebody might ask him as to then
what I will see from that point forward. But in

(01:09:02):
the initial opening, it can be just sort of a
void that gets filled with colors and shapes because he
perceives a lot of things as patterns of energy, and
to him, that pattern is a language that he can translate,
and so I see some of that. But then it'll

(01:09:23):
depend on what somebody's asking that determines what I might
perceive beyond that point, but it's usually very condensed in
terms of time, it's very efficient. One symbol can represent
many different aspects of a conversation that might take five minutes.

(01:09:44):
One example I think that was that illustrates that the
most was something that happened many, many years ago. Somebody
was asking something that had to do with electricity, had
to do with history, had to do with unlocking things.

(01:10:08):
And the one symbol that came in my head for
all of that was Ben Franklin and his kite, because
it had to do with all those subjects. It's like
the kite attracted electricity that went down and hit the
key on the string that held the kite, and Ben
Franklin represented the historical aspect of the question. So it
was like I understood that this one image encapsulated this

(01:10:32):
entire conversational answer. And that is how a lot of
ets explain telepathy. You get this compacted image that is
holographic in nature, and it contains many meanings and they
jump out at you as you need to understand the context.
It's almost similar because before I started channeling, I actually

(01:10:57):
did become somewhat proficient at reading row cards. It's very
similar to when you look at the image on a
Toro card and certain parts of the image sort of
suddenly stand out. It either gets brighter or it seems
to lift off the surface, and that tells you what
you're supposed to be looking at and what that symbol

(01:11:18):
represents for what a person is talking about. So it
becomes this thing where symbols are highly holographically efficient at
representing an entire dialogue in a condensed form, and that's
what I experience a lot of There are times when

(01:11:39):
I can because he's sort of, you know, behind the wheel.
It's like being in a vehicle, but I've slid over
to the passenger side. I can think about other things.
I can even have a separate conversation with him about
something that I want to know about while he's talking
to another person. So different things happen at different times,
and I experience a lot of weird things in that state.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
What happens to Daryl's mind.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Well, it turns into an altered state. I can experience
different things. I can feel what he's feeling, I can
experience his reality. I can experience so Darryl's still there,
Darryl's still It's like I become an observer, right, not
a participant. So yeah, I'm still there, That's what I mean.
I can have my own thoughts, I can talk to

(01:12:28):
him separately, So yeah, I'm still very much there, but
I am no longer the one that has to pay
attention to what's going along, what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
For you personally. And we've talked about a little bit
about this before, but I kind of want to go deeper.
When this for your first experience, and I remember you
were in the audience, and you know you were at
somewhere in the valley at but the psychic guy or

(01:13:02):
you write a book.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Do you mean when the channeling started? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yeah, when it started, I was in a class. Yeah,
you were in a class. And when was there an
interpretation or that had to take place or an interpolation
a translation of almost like a language. Were you confused

(01:13:26):
at first?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Oh? Yeah, sure, because I didn't know what was happening
to me because I was having this knowledge like just
sort of downloaded a memory of having made this agreement
to do this with Bishar in this life, before this lifetime,
I understood the UFO that I had seen ten years
before that was shown to me on purpose to get
me to start moving forward and doing the research I
needed to do so that I would get ready to

(01:13:49):
do the channeling, even though I didn't know that's where
it was leading me. I saw the image of Bishar's
face in my mind. I understood, I heard the word Bashar,
thought it was his name. But all this was happening
in a split second, and I thought, am I hallucinating
as a side effect of the meditations in the class
or what? But like I said, as soon as this

(01:14:10):
happened in my head in a split second, the entity
that was teaching the class stopped talking to the class
and turned to me and said, well, there's an entity
here for you now if you're ready to begin. And
I happened to open my eyes and look behind me,
and this woman that was also in the class, somehow
had picked up on the image of Bashard's face that
I saw in my head, and she was actually drawing

(01:14:30):
it on a piece of paper. So I already had
two outside validations that this wasn't just my imagination, and
that's why I continued with it to see where it
would lead.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
What was it like going home that night? Were you thinking, man,
I'm Bat's you crazy, I've lost my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Well, I didn't think that, because by this time I
had understood through research and reading like the Seth material
and so on and so forth, I understood generally what
channeling's per was. And so the bigger consideration was not
am I crazy, because I already, like I said, I
already had validations that something real was happening. I couldn't

(01:15:10):
put my finger on exactly what was going on, but
I realized that this was an opportunity to explore something
in a deeper way. I didn't really have a comprehension
of what I was necessarily supposed to completely do with
it or where it would take me. But I was

(01:15:31):
game because I understood from experiencing this other channel for
several months that the information could be very, very helpful
to people. And it was. You know, I've always had
the pension to simply want to help people if they seem,
you know, uncertain or confused or lost or whatever, even
to the point of, you know, if I walk through

(01:15:53):
them all and I see somebody looking around like they
don't know where they are, I'll go up to them
as if I'm, you know, one of the people that
works in mom and say can I help you find something?
It's just the way I am. I like to help people,
So I knew that that was really the purpose of channeling,
was to be of service to people, to help them,
And so I thought, all right, you know, I'll pursue
this and see where it leads. And you know, here

(01:16:14):
I am forty years.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Later before I ask if anyone can channel Oh. I
wanted to mention it is San Diego Transcendence Retreat dot com.
That's the website. Daryl and I are going to be
there September twenty seventh and twenty eighth town in San
Diego at the Bahea Resort in Mission Bay. That's going

(01:16:37):
to be a lot of fun. But have what are
you going to speak about there? I mean forever? It's
a Bishar world for so many people. How do you
approach a conference like that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, I actually, in that case will not really be
channeling Bashar in a sense, I will be channeling myself.
What I am learning to do and what I understand
is part of the process of channeling another entity is
to bring more of yourself through as well, and to

(01:17:16):
become your version of them in this life as best
as you possibly can. Also because I know that in
a ninety minute session that Bishar usually conducts, it's not
enough time necessarily for people to really dig deeply down
into his concepts. And so what the thing that I

(01:17:39):
will be doing in San Diego is actually teaching part
of a class based on Bashar's principles, one segment of
a larger class that I will probably be teaching in
twenty twenty six that discusses all of Bashar's concepts, but
then gives people literally hours at which to discuss talk,

(01:18:00):
see examples, illustrations until they can really go I get it,
because if they really start digging deep into it, and
you use illustrations and examples from life and things like
that to illustrate Bashar's points, it's much easier for people
to get it and use it and apply it in
their lives. So in San Diego, I will be discussing

(01:18:24):
one segment of the larger class, which has to do
with what is the soul's journey both in non physical
and physical reality. What is it that happens, what's the
sequence of events of a soul planning a life, going
through a life, and then leaving that life, And what
happens in all of those phases. That's what I'll be discussing,

(01:18:44):
based on Bishar's work with slides to help illustrate some
of the points again, to make it a little easier
to grasp. But that's what I'll be doing in San
Diego is channeling.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Oh wait, this is my this is my sick mind
at work. I mean, I spent so much time thinking
about this, Daryl. I lay awake at night going, Okay,
how do they get it done? Now? So I picture
something like this, the impossible setup, same civilization, two starships

(01:19:23):
passing each other. They're going in opposite directions. Uh in
an analog format, right, okay, in an analog format, time
dilation be damned right, But they're passing each other. But
they're at a great distance and they're traveling, and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
The radio wave electromagnetic idea of communication doesn't work then
because by the time your phone call gets to them,
you guys are now yeah, right and right right right,

(01:20:03):
and the response coming back is going to get to
you in a year or two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
That's right, So is channeling. The way that they communicate
is entanglement the communication system of the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Yes, and again entanglement in this case, like what's happening
for the channeling equals telepathy telempathy, as Bashar says, So yeah,
it's more probably directly mine to mine. Now, they may
have other technological abilities to transmit something instantaneously by again

(01:20:38):
using the warp principle in the fabric of space, that
could be possible too. But a lot of advanced extraterrestrials
are extremely telepathic, and that is probably one of the
more common modalities of communication in the universe as well
for very advanced of beings.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Yeah, I try to drive this principal home to this
audience so they can understand. If Daryl and I jump
on a starship and we go out to Alpha Centauri
right and four and a half light years away, and
we get a flat tire right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
In our spaceship, Yeah, we're screwed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
You can't call Triple A. You call Triple A. We have.
It will be nine years before we hear Triple A
say they can't come pick us up. People don't understand
that concept. They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
They just think that, Yeah, the speed of light is
limited in physical space.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yeah, and so the work around there, ET has a workaround.
They're not traveling ten thousand light years away from their
home planet and are waiting twenty thousand years for birthday cards.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yea, an email. They have definitely figured out other ways
of doing that. Said, some of it could be telepathic,
some of it could be the manipulation of the fabric
of space time in a way that we don't understand
that would allow for instantaneous communication. Again, maybe based on entanglement.
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
What are Okay, let's stay in the metaphysical a little
bit in the paranormal. What are ghosts?

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Ghosts are individuals who are in spirit who either have died,
who have incarnated or not, that have managed, in some way,
shape or form, through whatever form of intention, to lower
their vibrational rate to allow themselves to be at least
partially visible to our senses. So it's like someone who

(01:22:42):
exists as a crude analogy in the ultraviolet range normally
lowering their frequency to suddenly be perceivable in the violet, blue,
or green range that we can pick up with our senses.
So they are people. They are spirits that have simply
manipulipulated their frequency to make themselves visible to our senses.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
In that moment. Are we ghosts to them?

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
No? Not necessarily. If they understand what they're looking at
is something that has a much lower vibration, a much
denser vibration, they would appear, We would appear as solid
to them, So they can they can make themselves if
they lower their vibration enough, make themselves appear solid to
us too. But that's temporary for them because that's not

(01:23:32):
their natural state.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Now do we ever temporarily change our vibration and pop
up in their dimension astrally?

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Yes, not physically, but astrally we can expand and our
astral selves. Our spirit selves can certainly visit them, and
probably does all the time when we're asleep, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
So the spirit, potentially let's call the spirit Bob, could
run to another spirit going shit, I just saw a ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
What are you asking?

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
If we know, what are you asking that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
What I'm suggesting is I have a twisted mind. What
I'm suggesting is if we learn if we do that
in the astral or whatever, where Bob is a ghost.
So I mean no, But if we appear momentarily and
change our vibration in the astral or any other sense,

(01:24:34):
into their dimension, are they freaking out?

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
No? Because they understand we can do that because we
are spirits. They know that that's that's our natural state.
We're there, We're there all the time in some way,
shape or form. That's our natural state. They're just going
to say, oh, hi, Bob, you're back. It's not going
to freak them out because they understand that we are
spirits too, and that we can sometimes defocus from the

(01:25:02):
physical and expand back to the spirit level. And they're
just going to say, hi, Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
So in their world, it's just Tuesday exactly. Wow, that's fascinating,
that's fascinating. Do they ever are they trapped?

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
No, no soul is ever trapped. That is a myth.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Why is it because of fear that we jump into that? Yes,
that you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Yeah, all those kinds of concepts come from fear and
a lack of understanding, a feeling of disconnection because we've
forgotten that we are spirits, and so we make up
all these stories based on things that we've experienced in
physical reality and assume that we can project that into
the spirit level. But that's false. Those kinds of things

(01:25:49):
don't exist on the spirit level. You are a completely
free soul.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
So when we talk about indigenous cultures. It doesn't matter
from around the world. They've all talked about the same things.
Spirit orbs orbs of energy, light. It's been described so
many different ways, but we're probably talking about the same thing.

(01:26:17):
Now we have different words for it that back then
it was. What it was is that they're experienced the
same as what we are experiencing today, but we're calling
it something else now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Maybe because an orb of light is what your soul
is in its natural state, if it's not taking on
a particular form, that's the soul in its relaxed state.
You just become an orb of light. Just like anything
in zero G turns into a sphere. There's no gravity anywhere,
So the energy of a soul in its natural state

(01:26:54):
is just literally a sphere, an orb of light of energy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Why why man, I don't I don't want to sound
like I'm repeating myself, but why because we can just
repeated that we did, we did did make in that. Uh.
It's okay too in a historical sense talk about spirits
and and these things, but today we want to pin

(01:27:23):
them as evil or demonic or or bad things, when
it's always been around us and it's part of life.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Yes, And it's not to say there may not be
lower vibrational beings. Of course, there probably are, but you know,
it's not a lot about what people think they are.
It's there's probably a lot of misunderstanding there. It's probably
no different than the idea of looking at someone in
physical reality and saying, you know, they're kind of low vibe.

(01:27:55):
You know, they're they're not quite getting it. They're they're
caught up in there, you know, fear based beliefs, and
they're operating on kind of a lower frequency. It's probably
no different than that. There are levels to the spirit realm,
and someone can be on a slightly lower vibration for
whatever reason, but it's really not about anything that they

(01:28:18):
can do to you. And Bashar has explained the concept
of demons as something that is really more of an
archetypal projection of our own fears. In other words, there's
a collective consciousness, and you could look at that collective
consciousness as sort of a energetic clay, and it can
take on many forms, and we can impact it with

(01:28:41):
our intention, our beliefs, our emotions. So when we are
in great fear, when we are experiencing a lower negative vibration,
so to speak, we can project into that consciousness clay
a form that represent sense what it is we're experiencing.

(01:29:02):
We can create the projection and the apparition of a
demon to represent what we are experiencing as fear. This
is why we have the phrase. Intuitively, I'm facing my
inner demons. That's exactly what you're doing, but you're projecting

(01:29:23):
them outside of yourself into the consciousness clay of the collective,
so that you have something that's a reference point. But
we have because of our sense of detachment, we have
imbued the idea of those projections as if they are
autonomous beings that are attacking us. They're not. There's nothing
to them. It is us attacking ourselves. It is our

(01:29:47):
projection of our fears, and when the fears are great enough,
it can manifest as something like that in the collective consciousness.
Because everything in reality is just a mirror, and with
enough energy and enough intention and enough fear, you can
actually get a reflection and an apparition of something that
looks demonic. But again, that's our inner demons projected outward.

(01:30:12):
So I don't think those are actually an autonomous group
of beings that we have to deal with. We just
have to get clear within ourselves not to go into
that level of fear.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Is it almost manifesting out of our own id?

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Yeah, yeah, And so to exercise, So I go into
the gym knowing that in advance, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Yeah, absolutely, see. Understanding, Like Mishar says, understanding how things
actually work can actually give you a big leg up
in understanding how to deal with it, because if you
do understand that anything that might appear to be a
demonic form a possession, so to speak, all of this
kind of stuff is simply us doing things to ourselves

(01:31:03):
in a certain way because of our belief systems, then
we already have a leg up because if we're the
ones actually generating it, we can be the ones to
stop it with a different understanding, a different belief of
how it works. So we're no longer victimized by it,
we're no longer subjugated by it. We are in charge

(01:31:24):
and we can say, all right, what is this a
reflection of what do I have to look at within myself?
How do I face my inner demons in order to
understand how to deal with this, how to transform it
and how so I don't have to project this outside
myself to have this experience. So it's really understanding the
physics of it, so to speak, to talk about science again,

(01:31:46):
because everything to Bishar in this context is just physics.
It's another expression of physics. It may not be the
physics we yet understand, but from his perspective, it's just physics,
just energy resonating.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Speaking of physics, Stephen Hawking said very famously that we've
got to stop telling et where we are, right, that
we are going to invite somebody bad. There's good out there,
but we could also say here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
And yeah, I think it's too late for that. Just
a little bit right, Yeah, just a little bit too
late for that. And my understanding again is that we
don't really have to worry about that. And a lot
of things that have been reported negatively in most cases,
from what I can tell, are highly exaggerated again and
amplified and magnified by a person's own fear at what

(01:32:44):
they're experiencing. My understanding is that ninety nine point nine
percent of the ets we are dealing with are positive,
have our best interests at heart, and if there is
anything out there that does not have our best interests
at heart. They're keeping them at bay because they have
the ability to do that, because they want humanity to

(01:33:06):
evolve and to succeed. So I don't think we're really
going to have to face that scenario of the bad,
bad invasion that is coming from the negative ets. That's
just all sci fi.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
The the the the perception has been well played by
the media and Hollywood h with that perspective. And when
you look at something like Three Body Problem, which I enjoy.
You're a filmmaker, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
You know, yeah, that was a great serious it was.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
A great series. And what you know, if you want
something greenlit in Hollywood, alien invasion, Man, let's see that's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Well, that's okay. It can be cathartic. You know, we
can use it that way. We can get our fears
out on the screen and in the theater and then
walk outside in the sunlight and say, okay, that was
just a movie. So you know, those kinds things are okay.
They can be fun. They'd be like, you know, going
to an amusement park and riding the roller coaster. It
can be terrifying in the moment you're doing it, but
then you're on the ground and you're safe and it

(01:34:09):
can get something, you know, bubbling in your system.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
So and you go do it again, and you go
do it again again.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Yeah, we're you know, a bunch of fear junkies.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Totally totally well when Okay, so that phrase which was
so terrifying, You are bugs? Right, three simple words. Yeah,
you are bugs and should if we have if there
was bad intentions out there, you and I wouldn't have

(01:34:41):
this conversation right now. It would already have been over
and we wouldn't have even known that it happened. Now
that's my take.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Right, Yeah, I mean, you know again, I know this
is an old cliche at this point, but nevertheless it
bears repeating, and that is Look, if the beings are
so advanced and they wanted to take us over, why
the hell would they have waited so long because they
could have easily done it before we had any kind
of technology that we could use to fight back. So

(01:35:10):
if they haven't done it over the hundreds, if not
thousands of years that UFOs have been reported all over
the world, it doesn't seem likely that that's going to happen. Now,
that just makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
You know, and this is a beautiful planet. There's a
lot to like about this planet. So yeah, so, but
humans are the ones that need to learn.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
More than the ets.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
It's so fascinating. It's so fascinating now staying on this though,
eventually we have to leave this planet. The Sun is
going to do some very bad things.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Well that's just billions of years from that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
No, could it could be soon. We don't know. We
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Not that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Look, if we go Darryl, I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
You're talking about different kinds of solar activity, like coronal
mass ejections.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Well, once once the hydrogen core burns out and helium
takes over, which will happen. It could be. Nobody's been
to the center of the Sun. Nobody officially knows.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
We do understand the science a little bit, and it's
not going to be tomorrow by any stretch.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
My point is we're not going to be here forever.
People assume that this planet is going to exist forever,
and it's simply not. We will be doing what et
is doing. We're going to go and look like we
are right now, we're looking for exoplanets. We're eventually going
to blow this popsicle. Stand. If the universe is big

(01:36:50):
as it is, and you mentioned this many times, it's
a numbers game. There's a lot of life out there.
There's a lot there's an infinite amount of life out there,
and a lot of that life had to leave their
planets too as well. Yes, and it's really that simple,

(01:37:12):
isn't it. We will be what we are making movies
about eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Absolutely. Buthar has said as much. In fact, there are
actually civilizations that some ets are kind of treating with
the hands off sort of attitude, because eventually we're going
to be trained to go and be those planets UFOs

(01:37:38):
and make contact. We're going to be trained to make
contact with other civilizations. So there are some civilizations that
in a sense are being set aside for us to
be able to learn to do that in the same
way that the ets are doing that with us now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
And so I would argue to those that want to
fight this ET issue, we it's all the same thing, evolutions,
all the same thing. Everything is going to go through
its process. So why why sit here and argue that

(01:38:17):
ET wouldn't have an interest on Earth, or ET isn't
out there, or ET isn't traveling. Extraterrestrial civilizations aren't traveling
the universe. It's like, no, it's the opposite of that.
It has to be that way, right, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
So, yeah, absolutely, it seems obvious to me. But you know, again,
it depends on your paradigm view. It depends on what
you think reality is and what you think is possible.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Is three I Atlas an example of something that we
should make ourselves aware and prepared for an eventual while
like this because it's here now and it just seems
like it's lackadaisical, whether it's ET or not. It's an

(01:39:07):
interstellar object that we need to be concerned about.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
That's the importance of it is that it's giving us
an opportunity, like other interstellar objects have, like a muamua
and so on and so forth, to start pondering the
idea of the reality of contact. So I don't think,
as Bashar has explained it, that three I Atlas is

(01:39:31):
actually an ET thing, but it is something that is
giving us an opportunity to prepare for that eventuality getting
it's used to the idea, here's an interstellar object, take
a look at this. Here's another one. Oh, you're surprised
it's not coming from within your own solar system. And
here's another one. Now, what do you think about this?

(01:39:53):
That you're receiving all these interstellar things and it's forcing
you to think about the idea of things coming into
your system outside. So I think it's being used that
way for that purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
What when it pops out oddly enough? Right, this is
going to be on Halloween rights, that's pretty bizarre.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
We are nothing if not synchronicity.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Yeah, I mean, it's just crazy when you think of
it that way. But we're going to be collecting a
lot of data. We have an opportunity here and NASA
and ESA and everybody else it's got sensor ridden stuff
in orbit right right to do that. Here's the opportunity.

(01:40:41):
Do you think we'll be told the truth no matter
what it is, whether it's natural or not or e T.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
I don't know that we will, And to me it
doesn't matter because I know again that in a couple
of years it's all going to come out. So whatever
it is that anyone is hiding at the moment is
all going to come out in the wash after open contact,
a lot of stuff. People are going to be very
surprised at what it is that's been being hidden. And

(01:41:08):
I don't think that humans are completely responsible for doing
the hiding. I think ets have been in some ways
calling the agenda as well, because they understand that we
are not completely ready yet and they're preparing us. So
I think that when it all does kind of finally
get introduced, all this stuff will be explained in a

(01:41:30):
way that we can kind of look back and go, yeah,
that makes sense. We can see the setup now coming
from a mile away, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Is our next step in evolution?

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
Is it consciousness? Is it an understanding of consciousness? Is
that where we are?

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
I think so? And our abilities in expressing more of
our consciousness more of what we are as a soul.
With the introduction of extraterrestrials, Bashar has said, it's not
just about meeting people from other planets. The abilities that
they have that we can learn from them to increase
our sensory awareness into other realms will not only have

(01:42:11):
us communicating with advanced extraterrestrials, but also give us more
ability to actually commune and perceive spirits. Because extraterrestrials of
a high vibration are operating on a similar wavelength to
the spirit realm. So it's going to improve our ability
to know that we do go on, that we are spirits,

(01:42:35):
that spirits do exist, because eventually, whether that takes a year,
a decade, or whatever amount of time after first contact happens,
we will as a society start being capable of perceiving
spirits all the time at some point, and so that
will really open up our understanding of what reality really

(01:42:58):
is and that we do continue on. Ironically, you know,
Bishar is kind of you know, expressed it this way.
He's saying, Look, spirit is your natural state, that's your home.
You're always there in some way, shape or form. This
is the afterlife. This is the secondary level physical reality.
So when we talk about an afterlife, he says, you know,

(01:43:21):
that's almost funny to them, because you're living the afterlife now,
and when you die, you are actually returning to your
primary life. That's where you come from. This is a
temporary manifestation that you're having within your consciousness. This is
the afterlife.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
Yeah, we've all got that flip upside down, don't we.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Right exactly, So to him, the idea is like, you know,
our question, oh is there an afterlife is kind of
comical to him because you're in the afterlife from his perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Now, let's talk about that for a seconds. Is funny
as shit? Yes, sometime yeah, when he when he needs
to go right and he.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
Needs he.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
I mean yeah, And so I get a sense of
relief from that that they understand what humor is absolute? Right?
Is Bishar laughing at us?

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Not at us? He does find certain things that we
do humorous more perhaps ironically humorous, right, but laughing at us.
He doesn't laugh. He doesn't talk down to us or
invalidate us in that sense.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Do you remember what was that movie called Quest for Fire?

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
You remember that? And uh Raydong Chong right, right, she
had the best laugh, right, she laughed at anything that right?
That that was funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that I
kind of think of Bishar in the same way. He's
pointing and laughing. He's pointing and laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Yeah, well like he's you know, like people have asked
him and he said, you know, watching humans is like
trying to is watching somebody who's seven ft tall trying
to stuff themselves into a one foot square box. He said,
it's it's like a clown in a clown car. It
just doesn't. It's humorous because you're you're doing something that
is pretending to be something that is smaller than you

(01:45:20):
actually are, and they find that funny, pointing and laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
I'm telling you, pointing, laughing, pointing and laughing at us.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
But they're not making fun of us.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
No, No, but Man trailer Park Earth is pretty damn funny.
I mean it, really, it truly is. Uh to that end.
Uh when I hate offending people, but sometimes I I

(01:45:51):
just say the wrong thing to say. But if we
look at it in those terms, then that would suggest
to me that any advanced extraterrestrial civilization would have to

(01:46:12):
have gone through the basic evolutionary steps that we have
here on Earth, which includes comedy, includes theater, it includes
music and the arts, and religion and geopolitical issues. But
they've experienced all of this. So does Bishar have paintings

(01:46:35):
hanging on his ship? Is art? Is art part of
their life? Or was it part of the past?

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
It is not paintings, but yes.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
But you understand what I'm saying, the concept that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
I do, I do. I don't think all of them
have gone through identically the same kinds of things, because
all of them start in different places, especially Bishar civilization,
which is a hybrid civilization. So while they did have
their learning periods, they experience things a little bit differently,
and they kind of had as an artificially constructed hybrid

(01:47:08):
civilization in a sense, artificially produced, artificially generated. They kind
of had a head start, so they were kind of
given a leg up to start with, so they didn't
necessarily go through all of the machinations that humans on
Earth may have gone through over time, but they definitely
went through their own versions of certain things. But they

(01:47:31):
do have art, they do have music. It's different than
ours at this point. Bashar himself has said that on
occasion he functions as a sculptor, but he sculpts out
of really exotic materials as far as weren't concerned. So yeah,
they definitely have versions of that idea. I don't think

(01:47:53):
they've necessarily gone through identical phases of evolution that we have,
but their own versions of it. Probably.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
Yes, we have a concept here that we can't get
rid of, and it's always there. It's always in the background,
which is we as humans always wants somebody to come
in and fix our problems and help us. And it
certainly applies to ET and that concept that we need

(01:48:22):
ET's help, and no we don't. But Bishar understands that
that that fault that we have.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Yeah, he does. He's willing to give us information that
we can use to help ourselves, but they're definitely not
going to do it for us. That would be interfering
in our evolutionary path.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
And why can't why why can't we get rid of that?
Why do we always need somebody to come in and
rescue us instead of Is it because that's the easy
way out is to get help and the hard way
time to do what you're.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Well, it's not saying we can't get help, that's fine,
but having somebody do all of our challenges for us
and remove all our obstacles for us is not getting help.
That's making us weak. It's giving us no challenges, it's
helping us not grow. So they're not going to go
that far. There are a couple of exceptions to that.

(01:49:22):
If what we're doing is going to harm more than ourselves,
it might leak out into the universe in a certain way.
They will not allow that. They have said now for
a couple of decades already at least that they will
not allow a global nuclear war on Earth because it

(01:49:45):
will literally tear into other dimensions with that much release
of energy, and since it won't stay in our backyard
alone and will affect a lot of other life that
has nothing to do with Earth, they will not allow that.
So there are a few exceptions, but and I think
that's been demonstrated very clearly by UFOs that have been

(01:50:06):
hovering over missile silo bases and scrambling all the launch codes,
and that's happened more than once in more than one location.
So I think humans may have gotten the message, at
least some of them, that we will not allow you
to launch those missiles in a nuclear war, so we
don't have to worry about that. They're going to step
in and stop that. And already, in a sense have

(01:50:28):
they do other things to some degree, because again, they
do want humanity to evolve. One of the recent things
I've understood that they did is that huge earthquake that
happened over in Russia, the eight point eight. There was
a big prediction in a lot of warnings of tsunamis
that never actually happened. They mitigated that. They mitigated the

(01:50:53):
effect of the tsunami, so it wouldn't be as devastating.
So there are certain things they will do to hell,
but it's based on what we've chosen in our life
path that would allow them to step in and do
certain things that give us an opportunity to move forward.
So this is the timing in our history when they

(01:51:17):
can be a little bit more involved. But again, our
personal challenges are understanding of what we need to transform
and overcome in order to grow as souls. They're not
going to intervene with the things that are critical to
our growth.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Well, the physical appearance of Bishar Scarce.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Well, I hope not. I kind of think he's cute,
but I mean, you know, and again, we've been exposed
to so many versions of ets, like from close encounters
and and things like that, that we're kind of getting
used to that a little bit. Well, you got predator,
you got alien, you get Yeah, those are the ones

(01:52:00):
that aren't going to show up.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
But you can still be nice and look like predator.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Yes you can. But I don't think that in open
contact they're going to expose us to the beings that
are so different from us that we would freak out
at first, answer.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
My question, do we see a representative of who they are?
You know what I mean? Holograd?

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
I mean, yeah, they can project whatever. But I think
that the way that they understand open contact would be
done to our benefit is first, we'll introduce you to
the beings that are similar enough to you that you
would just think of them as no different than another
race of beings, another race of humans. They look different,

(01:52:44):
but they won't be so different that you're going to
freak out. Then, over time, okay, now, maybe we'll introduce
the ones that are more insectoid. And now maybe we'll
introduce the ones that are more reptilian. And now we'll
introduce ones that are like you've never even imagined before.
And by then we'll be like, Okay, obviously these are

(01:53:04):
nice beings. We don't have to worry. But you know,
it may take getting used to it a little bit
if they're really that different. But I think they'll do
that slowly over time, so that we can acclimate.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Arthur C. Clark did it so well, didn't he? In
Childhood's And.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Right, right, we're going to wait a while.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
We're gonna we're behind the glass, right, behind, but as
you're going to freak out because of what you have
already imagined us as being. I often thought that, uh
the uh, you can look at China, you can look
at Asia, you can look at Central America and South America.

(01:53:45):
Serpents and dragons and these images. That is it possible
because dinosaurs weren't discovered yet, you know, for a long time,
but yet these things tterodactyl like, demon like, these images
of dragons are in every culture. They're on every flag

(01:54:06):
of every country. Right, It's it's it's pretty. That's a yeah,
that's a different thing. That's a big subject.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
I'm not sure we should actually broach it right now
because that's a very complex and deep subject that might
take longer than we have to talk about. Uh, so
maybe we can say that for an.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
We can, and so in a basic way we'll close
it out because we just have a couple of minutes.
Is it possible that those ancient cultures right, with no
transoceanic contact of each other, we're seeing extraterrestrial Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I wholeheartedly believe that that's the case.
Not that everything is extraterrestrial, but I do believe every
single culture on Earth has been exposed to a certain
bunch of extraterrestrials that have interacted with us for thousands
of years, and there's a lot of representations of that
in symbolic and literal form in many different cultures around

(01:55:04):
the planet. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
One last question, and this applies to anybody that has
seen something in the sky. I have had some pretty
extraordinary sightings and one of them involved a friend of ours,
and we don't need to go there, but where we
were with a group of friends in the middle of
the day, saw something extraordinary, very large in the middle

(01:55:27):
of the days four hundred feet tall, just crazy thing
right in front of us, and it phased out and disappeared.
But does that involve b Shar? Do you think that
that was another extraterrestrial civilization? But the more fundamental question

(01:55:48):
is is Bishar aware of what we saw and what
visits this planet?

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
What shape was it?

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
Shaped like a beer can vertical like this? Oh, okay,
four hundred feet tall, two hundred feet wide, black okay,
middle of the day, middle.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Of the day, probably a Pleadian mothership most likely? At
this point.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Is is Bishar aware of that kind of visitation?

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
And if that ship. Well, no, it did appear, but
because it appeared, then it had good intentions.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Yes, And they're also taking stock of how many people
are able to perceive us and what is their reaction
in perceiving us, because again that lets them understand how
ready are those people who are seeing right contact already?
Are they right? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
And that's the one thing that's going to Yeah, I
think that's one thing that's going to happen more in
twenty twenty six is we will finally have enough UFO
sightings captured on film by the news media that that's
going to be all undeniable before open contact occurs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Yeah, And all of those thoughts pass through my head.
And here's the craziest part of the entire experience is
that it was so big in the middle of the
day and nobody else saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Nobody, Well, that's what happened when my sighting happened. It's
like nobody else was seeing it. But we've heard this
over and over again that only when you're in a
certain frequency or the ETS can actually adjust the frequency
so that it is literally only visible by people on
a similar wavelength and others will not see it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Darryl Thank you, man, Thank you, Thank you for being
a friend, thank you for your contributions to this community
and everything else. Man, I it's my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Thank you for having these kinds of outlets where we
can talk about these things. I think that these kinds
of opportunities are One of the reasons why I know
things are changing is because twenty years ago this and
have existed, this conversation wouldn't have been possible.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
We're gonna be breaking bread once again.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
September twenty seventh and twenty eighth, down in San Diego. Uhh,
we've got it up right here, San Diego Transcendent Retreat
dot com. It's up in the chat, we've got it
over on our website, and we've got it in a
description box. Blow. We've got a promo code there. Fade
to black ten and come and hang out with Darryl
and I. We're gonna do a dinner cruise. Man, we

(01:58:27):
got a DJ. We're gonna dance, We're gonna we're gonna eat.
It's gonna be so much fun. It's gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Yeah, come on down to San Diego. Say hi.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
I'll see you in a couple of weeks. Darryl, thank
you so oh the next time, Uh, we're out of time.
I want to discuss escape rooms with you and and
and there's a reason check this out. One of my
favorite shows. I binged it so many times, all of it.
Brooklyn nine. All right, I love that series. But there

(01:59:00):
is an escape room episode. It is phenomenal. It's phenomenal. Well, anyway,
I saw it last night again for like the tenth time,
and we just need to discuss that. Let's talk to
scape rooms next time you're on the show, Darryl, thank
you so much, my friend be well, I'll see you
in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
All right, Thanks, Jimmy, have a good night.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
The very best, Daryl, Anka, everybody Again, the links are
up san Diego Transcendenceretreat dot com promo code is Fade
to Black ten. We've got the posters and everything else
up in social media and you can see everybody that
is going to be there. An Tucker's going to be there,
Sarah Breskman Cosme, Mark Anthony's going to be there, Alan

(01:59:45):
Seinfeld riz Berg is going to be there, and Dahlia
Burgoyne is going to be there. It's going to be
so much fun. So I'll see everybody there in San
Diego in well it's September twenty seven, so in just
about a month. And there you go. So that's it

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