FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Christopher Dunn

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Speaker 1 (00:28):
This Hope Radio for the Nassis headline of this July eighth,
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applying the Hearty found and there's now in the possession
of the.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Arda, the game is really changed.

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The game game. I occasionally think how quickly our difference
is worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien
thread from outside this work. This is Dave to Black

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with's your host Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network. Well, well, well,
good evening. How you doing Spade to Black? That's right,
Today is Monday, September one, twenty twenty five. I'm your host,
Jimmy Church. Happy Labor Day everybody. Yeah, and most of

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you have taken the day off. That is fantastic. Maybe
you even had a four day weekend. That's even more amazing.
I did not, No, but you're here joining us tonight,
and we've got an amazing show coming up, and we've
got another amazing week on Fade to Black. Of course tonight,
the one and know only Christopher Dunn is with us.

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We're gonna be talking about Giza, the Great Pyramid, and
all of his past research, current research and what is
going on there right now. Tomorrow night, George Hass joins us,
we're gonna be talking about what's on Mars. And then
Wednesday night, author best selling author Rebecca Pittman is here
and we're going to be talking about her two favorite

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most chilling hauntings in America.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
That's Wednesday night.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Thursday night, Jason McLean joins us, and we are going
to be talking about Bigfoot and goat men in Texas. Man,
that's Thursday night. What a great week on Fade to Black. Now,
I do have six major events coming up, all of
them in twenty twenty six. I've cleared the calendar for

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the rest of this year with international and national travel,
so I can just focus on Beyond Belief. I have
to film that show every month, and I just want
to get my feet on the ground and figure stuff out.
But next year it's getting back into the cycle of things,
and we kick things off with the Conscious Life Expo,
and that is February twentyth through the twenty third at

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the Lax Hilton, and then the Contact Modalities Expo first
through the third in Delavan, Wisconsin at the Delavan Lake Resort.
Then I'm back here for Contacting the Desert May twenty
eight through June first, tickets on sale this Thanksgiving Day.
Then I head back to Peru for the Inca Celebration
of the Sun the Winter Solstice that is July twenty

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third through July first, twenty twenty six. I come back
from that and then head over to the UK for
the Monty Python Tour of Scotland August first through the ninth,
twenty twenty six. I come back from that and turn
around and head back to Peru and Easter Island with
Brian Forrester. And the links for everything that I'm doing

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in twenty twenty six are below in the description over
on our website and throughout social media. All right, all right,
so here we go tonight. Christopher Dunn is back with
us very important show tonight for a lot of different reasons,
all of them point to the same thing, and that is,

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of course Christopher's research that he has done with the
Giza plateau that go back a few decades now and
of course focused on the Great Pyramid and its role
as an energy source. And right now today with all
of the breaking news about what is underneath Gisa and

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what it may represent, is not only viral, right now
it is tremendous and it is very exciting stuff. But
how these researchers and so many others that have been
looking at different theories about Giza and the Pyramids have

(04:46):
been referencing and pointing back to the work of Christopher
Done and he has inspired so many to go and
think differently. His book The Giza power Plant, which I
have here, is a must read for anybody doing this.
Of course, he's been on the History Channel and the
Travel Channel, and the Discovery.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Channel, little Learning Channel.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
He has been doing it all and rolling that rock
uphill for a very long time. And I would like
to welcome back to Fade to Black and one and
only Christopher DNI's right there, Christopher Man, how do you
follow up an introduction like that?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
How do you do that?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
How do you follow up in introduction like that?

Speaker 4 (05:26):
I think you've said it all. You know, we can
fade to black right now?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, I know, right right. It was a great show.
Great having you back.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
It was a great show.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
It was a great check.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
I appreciate the welcome.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Chris. We've been friends for a long time, and but
I just want to ask you personally, you know, from
friend to friend. How does it feel, after you know,
three plus decades of doing this work to turn around
and have all of this exciting break breaking news that

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seems to be happening every day around Geese, in Egypt
in general. But to have so many people go, well,
you know, okay, but you know, Christopher done. You know, okay,
that's fine, but Christopher done after fighting the good fight
for so long, how does that make you feel?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, at first, I was very uncomfortable with it,
and I'm still not I'm still just a little uncomfortable
because you know, you know, they'll say and it's beware
of what you wish for because you might get it.
And so you know, there's always a two edges to

(06:46):
that sword. So you have you have a modicum of success,
but then you know, you've got other things that are
going on at the same time that you have to
deal with, and so there's actually, you know, what do
you want to focus on?

Speaker 5 (07:00):
And I think when this started.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
To explode open up, I think it was in late yeah,
before two thousand, about nineteen nineteen ninety no, no, sorry,
two and eighteen.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Around that period of times.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
The scan Pyramid mission was conducted in twenty seventeen, and
they revealed this huge void above the Grand Gallery and
then things started to really really open up.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
About that time, there's a lot of YouTube.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Had evolved to become a major source for kind of
like a cottage industry where people from their homes could
actually make a living making content for YouTube. And and
so there was a lot of new players who came

(08:10):
into the space and were some of them doing great work.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
And you know, the it was shocking to me because
I never expected the I never expected YouTube, for one thing.
I never expected to to to be so so popular.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Uh And and I kind.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Of shrunk away from it, to tell you the truth,
and I became a little a little more reclusive and
tried to deal with most of the negative stuff because
you know, along with that, you you get the haters
and the trolls that will come after you. And I
think it all depends on what you want to focus on.

(08:59):
Do you want to focus on the good of the bad.
And I'm afraid I was focusing more on the bat
and you know, all the nasty comments and all the
lies that were being told about me, and and so
that affected me.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Uh but you know, let me, let me just say this.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
All you ever did was just.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Throw an idea and a theory out there and said, hey,
here's the evidence.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
You know, let's let's let's go and check it out.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
That's it. And all the great Chris, all of the
great moments in science and history where we made jumps,
was somebody that was thinking differently, right, They weren't, you know,
they weren't thinking inside. No, they went outside and and
let their mind go to say, okay, well there might

(09:58):
be something else to think about to consider here. And
all of those great moments are because of that. And
that's all that you've done. You haven't done anything different
than the way science has involved in the past, did you.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
No?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Really no, I mean it was basically asking a question,
and the question was I wasn't certainly not the first
one to ask it. And the question was was the
Great Pyramid really a tomb? And there were quite a
few that were questioned in that theory, and we're offering

(10:36):
alternate opinions of what the Great Pyramid could have been
built for. And so I looked at it as a
from a mechanical engineering perspective. And you know, when you
look at the architecture of the Great Pyramid. It looks

(10:57):
more like a machine than it does a building for
human habitation or use, and so I thought, well, you know,
it's a very large building. Two point three million blocks
of stone weighs almost six million tons. An incredible amount

(11:17):
of work went into it. Must have been extremely important
for the civilization that built it. And you know, just
to build one today, how much would it cost? You know,
I have had estimates of twenty five billion dollars to build, right,
but I suspect that those costs would probably escalate a

(11:43):
little bit, depending on you know, the regulators.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Of course. But you know, it's like it's like.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Just the investment into building it speaks to a very
very important purpose that gives the population a return on
that investment. And so the you know, if we are
looking at it through a modern looking glass of perspective,

(12:19):
and which you know egyptologists and archaeologists hate us.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
To do that.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
You can't think in modern terms when we looking at
ancient cultures. But if you look at just the practical
aspects and the technology that would have been necessary to
build it, you're looking at a civilization that was farly,
far advanced than what we've been told and what they

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expressed in the Great Pyramid was a state of the
art that was far greater than anything that we had
accomplished at the time. It was being measured first measured
properly by early explorers like William Flinders, Petrie and Parz

(13:06):
Smythe and a few other explorers who are taking measurements
into Great pyramids. So, uh, yeah, you have you have
an edifice that looks like a machine, and it has
the precision of a machine, only on the scale of acres.
It's like, you know, the the fit and finish of
the limestone blocks when you look on the inside, uh

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in say the Queen's chamber, the King's Chamber, the Grand Gallery,
there's you know, there is a like line to line,
there's no gap between the blocks. You can't even fit
a piece of paper in between it. And and so
you know, with that kind of precision inaccuracy, what kind

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you know, the the the builders designers must have been
extremely demanded. And so I looked at it as the
pinnacle of a civilization's accomplishment. And that's a civilization like
that must have been highly intelligent, and a population that

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would support such a building would not support it for
just to house a pharaoh or a body.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, you know, the basic idea that has been laid
out there, the dogma. I'll say the dogma, I'll do it.
I'll say it a few times tonight. But the dogma
that's been laid out there, that's been turned into truth,
you know, that's what dogma always does. You know, you
say it enough times and then it just becomes fact
and truth. But the dogma, the idea that primitive Stone

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age man stumbled out of the Sahara desert one day
wearing ami aimal skins, right, and then the next day, Hey,
you know, let's let's just level off. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
let's just level off this this limestone hilltop perfectly level,

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and let's just build the biggest shit ever in the
history of everything, and let's make it perfect.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
And you go through.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Like you said, you go through the Grand Gallery, and
you look, and that's supposed to be primitive stone age
man that they go from forging seeds in the desert
for dinner, right one day, and then next day just
building these these uh, these perfect things. I now, I

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think we're smarter these days.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
We look at that and then we.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Consider the dogma and no, No, there's something else going
on here. And I think that's where we are today
due to you know, people like you that have been
steadfastly presenting this and not giving up.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yes, but now I'm being joined by millions of similar
types of people with similar skills, machinist toolmakers, engineers, those
who look at artifacts in Egypt and say, oh, yeah,
absolutely they.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
You could make them buy ant.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
They had to have been made by machines. And then
you look at the dogma that you're talking about, and
basically it is like the the Egyptians started out crafting
these products using cup of chisels and stone stone chisels

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and wooden pound as a stone pounders, and then three
thousand years later, because the Egyptian civilization lasted three thousand years, right,
three thousand years later, they're still using the same tools
and they hadn't advanced that tool significantly at all. That is,

(17:12):
it just doesn't make any sense anybody who would proposed
such a thing. I don't know what's going on in
that mind, you know. I mean to say, yeah, the Egyptians,
they started out with these tools, and then you know,
three thousand years later, they're still using the same tool
are we still using the same tools that we were

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using fifty years ago.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
No, No, we're not. Well, we're simply not.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
No.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
That's a really really great point, Chris. And there's another
part that I do want to get into this really deeply.
We've got a lot of stuff to cover tonight. But
when you go back and look at one of my
favorite things to do was watch uh, those early videos

(18:03):
and I was watching your stuff in the in the
very beginning, but my favorite thing to do was to
wait for the moment when you would go, Okay, let
me get, let me get my square out, let me
get my level out, let me get You don't need
popping on the side of something. And and that's that's

(18:24):
what we needed, because we didn't have a perspective, uh,
to look at things that way, with that type of precision,
to think of something that was, you know, a billiard
table flat, smooth like glass, not one piece the freaking

(18:44):
entire country is built, you know what I mean, it's
uh yeah, and we needed that from you. What's what's
Chris going to pull off this tool belt next? And
but but that's what we needed, and that's that's to
go against the dogma and you did that for us.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Well, I'm still doing it.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
There's more to be done, but I mean, as far
as what has been uncovered lately, everything.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Is just.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
It's convincing that the Egyptians are now jumping on board
and accepting these ideas that they will rewrite their own history.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, I've always said.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Okay, now this is where I just interrupted you twice.
But this is important, okay, So let's get into this
in that what you had very early on suggested through
your research and applying the science to it, was there

(19:49):
was something going on underneath the Great Pyramid, whether it
was drawing up chemistry, drawing up water, there was something
underneath that was coming up into the Great Pyramid and
then creating energy with the combination of things with chemistry
and the magic was happening. Well, that's exactly what is

(20:13):
being suggested right now today. But you had been doing
this for a very long time. So this is the question.
When you entered the Great Pyramid, how did it feel
to you versus your ideas and your research, and the
way that it felt to you as you entered the

(20:35):
Grand Gallery, and well, of course the subterranean Chamber and
the Queen's Chamber and so forth. But what was the
impact on you at that time versus the thoughts that
you were having.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Well, actually, the first time I went to Egypt, I
was very nervous about going into the Great Pyramid because
I'd already have developed the theory on its purpose, not completely,
but just the bones of it were the framework I
had already written down, and so I was nervous about

(21:11):
going in because I you know, this was like where
the rubber meets the road, and basically is everything going
to be the same, you know, as far as what
I had read in the literature. But what happened was
when I went in in nineteen eighty six, another very

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important attribute to the Pyramid impressed itself on me, and
that was just the feel of the place. And you
don't get that when you were sitting in your armchair
in front of your computer at home dreaming up ideas
on what it was for. But the added dimension of
the that that you know, is kind of unquantifiable in

(22:01):
a way. It's how it affects you as a person.
That is, that is a bit a significant benefit if
you're doing research on the Great Pyramids. So what happened
was I came out inspired came out the pyramid inspired.

(22:23):
I had not seen anything that would divert me from
from my path. And uh, in fact, I you know,
I was encouraged by some of the things that I noted,
uh that I had I didn't know about, particularly in
the King's Chamber because I was still struggling with the

(22:47):
purpose of the chefs in the in the King's Chamber
and actually being there and noting the uh, the opening
in the south wall, which is critical, and then the
North wall that kind of cemented everything that I all
my thoughts about what their purpose was as wade guides.

(23:11):
And so yeah, that was that was a significant trip.
The only the unfortunate thing at that time was I
didn't have any tools with me.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
I had been you know I had.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Uh, you didn't bring the tool belt. You didn't bring
the tool.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Be I didn't. I didn't bring back I didn't. I
didn't bring my tool belt. No, I had nothing with me,
and I just there.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
To observe and and so I vowed, you know, when
I left Egypt that time that the next time I went,
I will I will take some tools to measure, to
take measurements.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
And you know, one of the measurements I wanted to
take was the radio frequency emission from the granite, if
there was any, uh And also the shape of the
opening in the south wall of the King's chamber, and
it was shaped like a catchers mitt. It's like a
horn antenna, you know. And the and that particular opening

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fits with the opening in the north wall, that is
has the dimensions that would be suitable for a microwave
waveguide for a hydrogen Because of the dimensions for hydrogen
microwave a wave guide, suitable waveguide would be the wavelength

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and then they by half the wavelength or approximately half
the wavelength, so hydrogen's eight point three or nine inches,
and the width of the opening in the north wall
was eight point four inches, and then the height was
four point eight inches. And and so with all the

(25:02):
other research that I did, I was able to and
with some help, because it wasn't just I didn't just
dream up, you know, the function of it. I definitely
had help in confirming my intuition on what it was

(25:25):
used for. Aerospace engineer Eric Wilson was a great help
to me. There was an engineer from a local company
who talked about the wave guides and there's a guy
on a Lost Technologies tour in twenty eighteen who was
a microwa wave guide specialist, and so all of these

(25:49):
people have contributed to my understanding of the technology and
in their own specialized way. So, you know, but as
far as the tool belt mostly, you know, you mentioned the.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Square and the straight edge.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
When I was there the first time, I was walking
around the gates of Plateau and I was looking at
these blocks of stone just laying around haphazardly, and I
was like, well, that that surface looks looks rather precise,
but I couldn't say I couldn't say how precise it was.
And so you know, I made a mental note at

(26:30):
that time, Oh, the next time I come back, I'm
going to have to bring something to say.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
That to that block right there. Yeah yeah, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, And I'm going to go back to that block
and check it out. And so, yeah, it was, it was.
It was an interesting path, but it was like peeling
an onion, you know, Jimmy, you take one layer off
at a time, you cry a little bit, and then
you go for another layer.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Can can we back up the car a little bit?
You brought up the shafts and which have always caught
my attention.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
But here's here's my twisted way of thinking. Though.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
The shafts are obviously done with intent, But building the shafts,
that's a whole nother consideration. People don't stop and think
enough about the importance of that. They can you know
two and a half million blocks, okay, all right, Well,

(27:36):
as they are building that pyramid, they had to build
those blocks and place them building the shafts at the
same time at an angle. Right, So, and there's not
just one. There are shafts all over the place and.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
That had to.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
And so were the blueprints for this. Who is who?
Who was the boss? This is my twisted mind, Chris,
who is the boss that is standing at each level
right guiding the design of those shafts? Yeah, the King's chamber, yes,

(28:19):
the queens yes, oh yeah, I get the tunnel, yes, yes,
at the Grand Gallery. You know what, those shafts, those
were a pain in the ass to think about the
difficulty of doing those while building the pyramid. They were very,
very very important, just as important as everything else in

(28:43):
the construction of the Great Pyramid. And that's that's the
case that I like to present. But it's not talked
about enough, is it.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Well, no, because it's it's it's very detailed in it's
engineering base, and it involves geometry because you have compound
angles on the end of blocks that come together and
meet another block, but they both have a U shaped
channel in them, and the U shaped channel has to match.

(29:13):
So it's kind of like a geometric puzzle. Plus that
they're on an angle. Like you said, you want to
pull up that one image that shows the northern shaft.
I think it's one one after that. I believe, yes,

(29:35):
that one there and so you see that the green
rectangular feature there that is the northern shaft. And the
fascinating thing about the northern shaft is the multiple bends.
And the multiple bends are necessary for the function of

(30:02):
a waveguide and as I was it was described to
me by Eric Wilson, generally you would need multiple bends.
It what it does it modifies the trajectory of the
of the microwave beam and so that it enters the chamber.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
Uh, it controls it right.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
But here's the other thing, though, Jimmy, you have you
have a condition there where the shaft it is said
that it has to miss the outside of the or
the the Grand Gallery, so he can't interfere with the
Grand Gallery, so they directed it around it. But there's

(30:50):
two questions that we need to ask when you consider
that idea, uh, and that is why does the shaft
have to come in exactly at that spot. You could
put a shaft coming into the chamber halfway down and

(31:12):
you don't have to have all those bends and it
would just go straight up.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, if it's a ventilation shaft, you don't want those bends.
You don't want those bends because then it can't ventilate.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Right, And so that brings in, That brings in a
bit of science and physics. So you have a resonating
you know, a resonating cavity, and a standing wave in
the cavity says say, you know, an acoustic wave. The

(31:51):
greatest amplification on the wave is at the quarterway point,
and so that shaft enters the chain, but exactly at
the qualter wave of the length of the chamber, and
so you have you know, it was necessary for them
to direct the microwave into the chamber exactly where it

(32:15):
would increase the anode, that it would meet the greatest
amount of energy and carry it across the chamber into
the southern shaft.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Absolutely, let's let's go with this is let's stay on
the subject. This is the first team and show. I'm
pulling this up for everybody. And you can see the
four shafts here in relation to both the Queen's Chamber
and the King's Chamber and then where the Grand Gallery is.

(32:49):
And here's one other point that I want to add
that you mentioned earlier. We now know that there is
another void, another room, another chamber above the King's Chamber
that isn't represented here.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I would ask you it is.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
It's not above the King's change, No, I mean above.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
The Grand Gallery, above the Grand Gallery?

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
And does that change?

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Does that add or reinforce your theory about how this
operates if there is an additional chamber, Well, there is,
we just haven't been into it yet above the Grand Gallery.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you a story about
about that. I was working with Robert Water who was
a sound engineer, and we were driving along and I
get a call come in and Eric Wilson is on
the phone. Eric Wilson had just seen the scun Pyramid

(33:48):
mission results and the and they void that they had discovered,
and people had emailed me. I got lots of emails.
Every time something happens around the pyramid, I get emails, well,
what do you think of this? But this kind of
supports your theory? How does it fit with your theory?
And with this new void that they discovered. My response

(34:15):
was that it's not really clearly defined. The point cloud
that had been revealed by the Muon scans didn't show
a very high resolution. And so, you know, before going
out on a limb and saying something, you know that

(34:36):
would turn into be you know, totally off the wall
or incorrect, I'd rather reserve my judgment until they have
physically accessed the space to see what's inside it, take measurements,
you know, and photographs. And then Eric calls and he says,

(34:58):
I know what that's for. And I said, well, what's
it for?

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Eric?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
And he said, that's your pre amp. Oh, And he
said that the only thing that was wrong with your
theory is that it didn't have a preamp. I always
thought and I think I told you it needed a
pre amp and you kind of ignored me. I was like, well,
I might have it might not have registered with me.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
But the well for everybody to understand what Chris just
said that if you have an amplifier, for it to function,
you have to have a preamp in front of it.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
And yes, yeah, that's absolutely you have. You have you
have a.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Signal coming in and the electromagnetic spectrum at eight point
three h nine and she's wavelength, and uh, you boost
the signal through the pre amp. But the interesting thing
is they that this void exists right where the north

(36:06):
shaft comes into the king Oh, not where it comes into,
but above the Grand gallery, so it would pass very
close by, whether the void is on the side of
the shaft or it surrounds the shaft. But then I
asked Eric, I said, well, what would it need inside

(36:26):
in order to function as a pre amp, And he said, well,
all you would need to have inside it would be
quartz crystals and then an electrical connection to the shaft
so that it would feed. It would be actually absorbing

(36:47):
the energy and building building up a charge, and the
signal coming in would pick up that energy before it
enters the King's chamber.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
What did you make of.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Gate and Brink and all of that original research When
that I got to tell you the original videos and
the original reveal, which was by the way, Chris, we
were talking about this earlier before the show. It was
before the modern Internet, and like one of the first,

(37:27):
one of the first websites in the history of the
World Wide Web was the Gate and Brinks Door, right,
And somehow the video got posted and which back then
it you know what I mean, it was like and
I was glued to it. But then the research stopped

(37:48):
and we had to wait for it to kick back up,
and I was.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
So sucked in and drawn in.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
To that, that entire project. But we had to wait
years for the follow up on that. But if we
go back to the original this and for those that
don't know, I let Chris tell the story. But Gayden
Brink and the research team built these little robots, little
cars with cameras on them, with long cables that came

(38:19):
off the back of them so they could control them
and receive the video feed that went up into the shafts.
And it was the most insane until it ended.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Remember that Gate and Brinks door. Take us back to
that moment, because that was a really, really big deal.
When it came to the shaft and shaft research. What
was going through your mind?

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Well, I think at the time it was it was
the exploration of the Queen's Chamber southern shaft, and we
uh there had been there's been no indication of any
exit point for the Queen's Chamber shafts on the outside,

(39:04):
and so basically this exploration would determine if they indeed
went to the outside or not. But before that, before
that exploration, I had I had already established or you know,

(39:26):
theorized that because of the opening to the Queen's Chamber
or the way the design of the cheft coming into
the Queen's chamber, it does not penetrate fully into the chamber.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
It didn't.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Originally there was a limestone that was left and then
the it was hammered out chiseled out in eighteen seventy two.
I think Wayman Dixon discovered it. He actually noticed a

(40:03):
crack in the wall, pushed the rod through the crack.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
It went quite.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Far into the wall, so he suspected that there may
be something behind it, or he was going, you know,
that there may be something behind it, and he had
it chiseled out, and they found this about a nine
inch square going horizontally for a while and then up

(40:30):
on an angle.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
To who knows.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
They didn't know to know where, and so that was
that it was that way for I don't know a
hundred years, one hundred years, probably a hundred years that
we knew, Yeah, we knew about the Yeah it was.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
We knew about the chef, but we didn't know where
it ended.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Nineteen ninety three, Gansom Brink was brought in by the
German Archular Logical Mission to explore the shafts that would
do some cleaning of the shafts and install ventilation, uh,
specifically in the King's chamber, which he did. He installed

(41:17):
a fan in the north and fans in the north
and south shaft and then he proposed to the Egyptian
government that he explored the southern shaft in the in
the Queen's chamber because just to determine where it went.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
And that video I was it was in the hands
of I think it was Robert Bobaal who took it
to the BBC or took it to some film company
and a video was broadcast to the world. On this exploration.
I was on the edge of my seat. Yeah, we
all it was crazy, Yeah, it's crazy. And then when

(42:03):
when he got to the end of the shaft.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
It was.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
It was quite remarkable in that, uh, you had these
metal fittings coming out of this this limestone plate. Now,
a lot a lot of people, I think Zahuas who
has described it as a door, h it's only you know,
eight nine inches in measurement and so, uh, very very

(42:32):
small door. But it's you know, it's not a door.
Gantum Bring himself did not claim that it was a door.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
He did.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
He called it a U s O uh, which means
unidentified stone object.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Not a door.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Right, So so I think that, yeah, that was a
cute little little term. But those those metal fittings. I
was sitting with a friend, Jeff Summers, in his living room.
We were watching it together and he looked at the
He looked at that and he said they looked like electrodes.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
And I was like bingo.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Because what I had proposed, what I was proposing in
my book that had not been published yet, was that
the Queen's Chamber Cheff had a chemical into the Queen's
Chamber through the south shaft and the north shaft. Those
chemicals mixed and boiled off hydrogen, which was used in

(43:37):
the in the King's Chamber. To convert to microwave energy,
and so the hydrogen is manufactured in the Queen's chamber
and then converted to electromagnetic energy in the King's chamber.
But the interesting thing was when I wrote my book,

(44:01):
I had described or I wrote a drawing. I created
a drawing and had the thickness of the stone through
which those metal fittings come through at about three point
six inches. And in two thousand and two the Pyramid

(44:26):
rover did an exploration and drilled through that clock and
they measured it before they drilled it, and they measured
it to be about three point three point two five inches,
so it was very close to my measurements. And then
you have another exploration in two thousand and ten where

(44:52):
they were able to put a snake kind of camera
through that hole that could articulate around and actually look
backwards on what would the back of that particular stone object.
I have proposed in the Geezer power plant that they

(45:13):
were you know, they were electron electrodes, and that they
would be a continuation of wiring or some kind of
connection to another device that would signal for the shaft
to fill and the drilling that took place in two

(45:41):
thousand and two, they used an endoscope camera which just
pointed straight ahead and it had kind of like a
fish eye lens to it, and so the light it
did not illuminate the entire space. And then in two
thousand and and when they when they were able to

(46:02):
around UH at the back of the door, they saw
that the the these metal fittings came through and they
curled around and disappeared back into the door. So it
was like a complicated little mechanism.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
And there were.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
These red oachre markings on the floor of the shaft.
There was some very unusual erosion patterns on on the
electrodes I call them electrodes. UH. That kind of signified
that they had an old canode activity, an old cathode activity,

(46:46):
electrical flow and and UH.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
They were leaching. They were leaching from a chemical process, right.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
So and then the erosion of the these electrodes UH
signified that the chemical that I had UH, a chemical
engineer had given me two chemicals to create hydrogen, UH
a dilute hydrochloric acid and UH a hydrated zinc solution.

(47:18):
When those two chemicals are brought together, you create hydrogen.
And so with the south shaft carrying the the uh,
the dilute hydrochloric acid that would erode the electrodes had
also erode the the limestone of the shaft walls and ceiling.

(47:44):
And you find in the lower section of the shaft
of the south shaft in the Queen's Chamber heavily eroded
uh limestone.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Can I pull up the image of the south shaft
that we have here.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
One that is yeah, sorry, I don't have the Queen's
Chamber of schefts in that package. That is the the
south shaft of the King's Change.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
This is the Catcher's man. You're right, right.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Right, yeah, that I describe as like a horn antenna,
microwave horn antenna.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Uh. But going back to the Queen's Chamber, yeah, you
have you have an extreme erosion. Uh.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
A person can do a Google search and find photographs
of the southern cheft. They can also go to my
website at geezerpower dot com and read about the the
history of my involvement and evolving ideas on what what

(48:59):
is behind gunt tom Brink Store. So that's well I
documented there and it's also documented in my new book
giz of the Tesla Connection. So Yeah, the guntam Brink
affair was extremely important. I think I think he definitely

(49:23):
contributed a lot to humanity. His name goes down with
how advised and his discovery of the granite beams above
the King's chamber very significant discovery.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Now and I don't want to dwell on this, but
the comment needs to be made where the Orthodox Egyptologists
you fill in the blank in the name, but that
will have said, and who have contributed to the dog
over the years, that there's nothing left to discover in

(49:55):
any of the pyramids. There's nothing left. And it turns
out the opposite is true. Uh, there's a lot to
be discovered. It is continuing to be discovered, and now
is not the time to to take our foot off
the gas, is it?

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Well, I don't think yeah, I mean uh no, it
is not h an answer to your question.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
And the energies that on the the forces that are
pushing this forward, Uh, it seems almost unstoppable.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Uh. You know, the cats out of the bag. You know,
the genie is out of the bottle, the toothpaste is
out of the tube, and it's not none of it's
going back in right, And so it is.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
It's going to just keep going. Uh, it just keeps going.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Now, do you what We're gonna come up against a
break here? When we come back, we'll jump into Sarus.
But leading into that right now, I just had Trevor
Grossi on the show, and I have way before all.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Of this.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
My mind, my imagination, I should say, I always kind
of leaned on the idea that yes, there's obviously purpose
behind all of these structures on the Giza plateau, but
they could all be built on top of something else,

(51:29):
and that the function is greater than what we are
looking at here.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
We have to consider all of this.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
And of course some of those ideas came from your
book and your research, but the subterranean Chamber, for me,
was always one of the pieces to this puzzle, suggesting
that the pyramid was there on top of a greater function.
And you come along and started to push this idea forward.

(52:01):
But that's exactly what is going on here, isn't it?
And it would suggest high technology of a magnitude that
we just we have a hard time understanding and wrapping
our head around. That these primitive cultures suggested to us
to being primitive culture were certainly the opposite of that right.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Well, yeah, far far from primitive.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yeah, I mean the the culture that is calling this
culture primitive themselves, the primitive ones. In comparison, I would say,
you know, to no imagination, and I find that a
lot with you know, like academics, they there slaves to

(52:49):
the book what has been written and always has to
be given by to ideas. I'm from an industry where
things are shaken up continually, and if you are not
breaking things, then you know you're not you're not really
doing your job. You have to you have to remake

(53:12):
things too, and you have to stay ahead of the competition.
So there, while dogma is a natural tendency in evolving
in manufacturing, with the overseas competition, you cannot you cannot
rest on your laurels and do things the same way

(53:34):
that you've been doing for thirty years.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
You have to change. Change is inevitable, and I.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Think that's what that's what makes people uncomfortable is the
changes they don't like, you know, they don't like that
well disrupted and and and so they will fight against
it doth and nail.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
But that's common though, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
I Mean it's coming going back all the way back
to Copernicus and Galileo.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.
It how many times do we have to have history
repeat ourselves before we snap snap out of the you know,
snap out of the fog and let me I just
had this up for a while, but I'm going to
pull this image back up. Okay, it is crazy. Until

(54:30):
you see it with your own eyes, you cannot appreciate it.
But the shaft that goes down to the subterranean chamber,
when you go and you look, it's descending it and
ascending it. That's a whole other thing. That's a whole
other But when you look down that shaft and you

(54:52):
see the utter precision, the engineering of that shaft cut
through the limestone bedrock, it is. It is an engineering
marble and that is not built to be wasted to
you know, well, it's just going down to an unfinished room. Man,

(55:17):
you need to stop with that dogma. That is is
it's a beautiful shaft built with such a ripas.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
I'll put some dimensions on that shaft for you. Okay,
So on the descending passage from the original opening, it
was measured I think it was Petrie that did the measure,
and over one hundred and fifty feet length of the
shaft going through the constructed portion of the of the pyramid.

(55:53):
The shaft is within twenty thousands of an inch, which
is the thickness.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Of a thumbnail. That's how that's how precise.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
It is over one hundred and fifty feet over the
three hundred and the total three hundred and fifty feet
through the both the constructed portion and the excavated portion.
It's only out a quarter of an inch.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
It's insane, it's it's perfect. It's perfect when you see
it with your own eyes, it is dead nuts straight.
And you know what nuts dead nuts is an engineering term.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
You can look it.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
Up right, well, you know I'm familiar with it.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yes you are, Yes you are.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
But and going in comparison to my comments and your
comments about all of the chefts that are going out
of the kings in the King's Chamber and the Queen's chamber,
the descending aside and it's perfection has the the pyramid

(57:05):
is built on top of that, and is it takes
all of this into consideration in its design, and it's
you have to see it to understand it. It is
an engineering I use the word marvel. But it's perfect.
It's perfect. You cannot It is as straight as a

(57:26):
laser when you look at it with your own eyes.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
The uh, it's it's received somewhere over the over the
center is. But you know, it's a quite a fea
quite a feate of engineering.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
How do let me let me ask you one thing
and and we'll take a break. But how do you
consider what is going through the I'm gonna say employees, right,
the workers that are building that app on how they
are completing it with such precision?

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Without if we go with the dogma no electric lighting?

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Right?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
No, no too, they're down there with chicken bones right,
digging through uh limestone uh? Uh limestone bedrock? How how
they completed this?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
You know one?

Speaker 3 (58:32):
You know, to continue and to have it utterly straight
and perfect? How?

Speaker 2 (58:38):
How did they what?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
How did they do it?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
How did they pull it off?

Speaker 6 (58:44):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (58:45):
I don't think that the shaft was uh was quiet?

Speaker 5 (58:49):
All cut by hand?

Speaker 4 (58:53):
You need sometimes you need a machine to build another machine.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
When you consider when you consider the logistics of driving
a rectangular shaft, it's only about forty one inches three
hundred and fifty three hundred and fifty feet into the bedroom.

(59:18):
It's like, well, to do by hand, it would be impossible.
You would you would need you would need to have
a system where similar to like a tunnel boring machine,
except this would be remote.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
It would be.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Carving out the stone and that stone or you know,
would be ejected or it would be brought to the
surface and you know, just bulldozed over to the hillside.
H Then you know, when you reach the bottom, there

(01:00:03):
are other features there that most specialized. You may have
some human intervention down there. But I don't go with
the notion that they did not have lighting, that the
only lighting they had would be, you know, a.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Torch.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
So I mean, I know that I seem like I'm
dwelling on this, but when you see it for yourself
and understand it's also by the way, it's a dangerous tunnel.
That is not a fun thing to experience. To climb

(01:00:46):
through that and down to the bottom. It's very tight.
It's very although it's straight and it's beautiful and it's perfect.
Two people passing each other in that tunnel is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Adopting, you know. The other thing is air quality.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
You know, if you got a lot of if you're
making any progress at all with your stone hammer, then
you get you're raising a lot of dust.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
So you got yeah, yeah, you know, and then and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
But then and then and then here's my twisted But
then when you're down there and then you allow the
clouster phobic overwhelming thought about what is above you, that's
a lot of It's crazy, man, it is crazy. And

(01:01:38):
it all winds up, It all winds up.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
It's it's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
I mean just the positioning of it, the dimensions, the
placement of it, it's all. It's all. Uh yeah. As
your new show Unbelief, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Nicely done. Wow that lined up. That lined up as
well as the southern shaft. Uh yeah, nice.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Seguey for you to go. I got another cup of coff.

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I am your host, Jimmy Church. Tonight, our guest Christopher
Dunn is with us. So much is happening right now,
not only in Giza, but around Giza and in Egypt.
So many discoveries are being made and it's a great
time just when you think, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
And what I enjoy about this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Community and everything that we do is that as soon
as things start to simmer down, you go, that's something else.
And that's what's going on right now. Giza is very
exciting and it's the work of so many over the years,
like Christopher done that. Now Christopher gets to you know, Christopher,

(01:07:15):
you can you can go see you know you're not
doing that. I'll do it for you, but you know,
it's an opportunity to go. Look, I was just throwing
these ideas out there, but now we've got all of
this other research that comes along, and the question is

(01:07:36):
an obvious one. I'm going to do it right now.
What do you make of these discoveries and the Stars
project and the Coffrey project, and is it supporting and
lining up to you with your research.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
I was asked that question, and I was asked to
comment on the work of Filippo beyond the and Uh
and others, And basically I was hopeful, but a little
skeptical at first.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
And you have to be right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
You can't jump in the of the pool on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
The one interesting thing, and the thing that that I
am in alignment with, is that in the in giz
Are the Tesla connection, I introduced the work of John
Cadman UH and his work on the subterranean chamber being

(01:08:43):
a hydraulic pulse generator, and he had performed an experiment.
He built a model on his property. He modeled the
descending passage through which water flowed from a pond and
then flowed through the model of the subterranean chamber which

(01:09:10):
he had built and encased in concrete, and then down
to a catchment pond that had a flap a valve
on it, and basically by feeding the water through there,

(01:09:33):
he claimed that it had a it had a pulse,
and the whole you know, the model would actually shake,
where as the there was a backflow of energy or
a wave when the valve closed and it would pull.

(01:09:55):
So he invited me out to his property. I went
out first into thousand and five and again in two thousand.
I think it was twenty eleven when I went back,
but two thousand and five I went out and I
met at his property, a hydraulic engineer, and John was

(01:10:18):
a very hospitable host, and we had breakfast in his
house and then it was kind of it was raining
at the time. We went out to where his muddle
was installed on a hillside to see its operation. He
you know, I opened up a few valves and allowed

(01:10:41):
the water to flow through, then closed off at one valve,
and then the water was redirected another way down into
the catchment pud and then the magic happened.

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
I just felt the ground thumping beneath my feet.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
But the interesting thing, the thing that really impressed me
was that it pulsed like a heartbeat, and it was
the I timed the pulses and it was like sixty
pulses per second, so it was like a baby's heartbeat.
But it was going the that the that, the that

(01:11:23):
that like that, And the ground was shaking beneath my
feet because the pie I was walking down the path
and the pipe going down to the pond below it
was a it was vibrating under my feet, and so
I was very impressed with that. There's a couple of
things that that he refined on his model, and I

(01:11:48):
think he installed he installed it somewhere else on his property.
But the one of the things that I had uh
noted was that in order for or his model to function,
it would need an exit point from the the subterranean chamber.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
His proposal was that the water would flow down to
where the sphinx enclosure is an empty out at that
point there, but there's no exit from the subterranean chamber.
They have been you know, the two areas, the most

(01:12:31):
likely areas are a very long passageway in the south wall,
and then there is a deep shaft well kind of
shaft in the center, not the center, but in the
in the floor. The both of those were well. The

(01:12:54):
well shaft was excavated by how Advise and and they
could not find any any exit or any opening from there.
And the horizontal shaft through the south there was no

(01:13:15):
opening or any sign that an opening existed but had
been blocked off. So that basically is a the condition
of it. And now I'm not saying I think that
the Tesla earthquake machine is more likely technology that existed
in the in the in the the subterranean chamber. But

(01:13:40):
in my book I noted that the the Giza Plateau
is reported to be riddled with tunnels and shafts. I mean,
you can walk around and you find all these deep
shafts in different areas. Some are heavily eroded, as are not.

(01:14:03):
And then this reported that there are horizontal shafts and
vertical vertical shafts. So I proposed in my book that
perhaps the big Daddy of I call it the Big
Daddy of pulse generators was deep under the Gizer plateau

(01:14:25):
and it was serving the entire area. So it wasn't
just focused on one particular pyramid, the Great Pyramid, but
all pyramids were functioning in the same way. And and
so that's essentially that was my response. I responded to

(01:14:48):
a lot of the questions on Facebook and also wrote
an article for my website. Now, as far as the
Sara scans, I'm not qualified to judge that work. I

(01:15:10):
have questions about the about how you know, the raw
data that was gathered by the satellite could actually reveal
the very precise and sharp geometry that have been published
along with it. But I still have questions about that,

(01:15:32):
and I will have the opportunity the end of this
month to talk to Filipo Beyonde Amando Man and travl Grassi,
who I've come to know and respect, you know, I
respect their passion, their work, their dedication, and so I

(01:15:55):
will hopefully have my questions answered then. And this is
at the Global Pyramid Conference in webs With, Illinois. Yep,
it's the Yeah, it's the Yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
In the Golden the Golden Pyramid House. That's a Pyramid
conference and apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. And that's September twenty seventh,
I think through the twenty nine yeah, yeah, yeah, And
now here, here's the thing with that, because I I
was grappling with the same issues that you are. I'm
not the smartest person in the world, but I can

(01:16:37):
kind of grasp technology if it's explained to me, right,
But looking at SARS and how it was applied, I
couldn't quite because we're talking about two kilometers, right, It's
it's like wait a minute here. But beyond a and
the way that he explains it, in the way that Trevor,

(01:16:58):
Trevor's got a different task on his hands too as well.
Is explaining a technology that he doesn't fully understand too
as well, because of how it is tied together, and
it's software driven with data that's collected from satellites over
a broad area of land. Okay, all right, so but

(01:17:19):
putting all of that to the side here is what
is incredible for me is that if we look at
a culture of any kind that was doing something that
deep into the earth back then, how did they get

(01:17:42):
it done? Because today we can talk about well, our
cranes are drilling equipment, and how well we have tremendous
difficulty going that deep into the earth. There's a lot
of things to consider logistically to pull that off. But

(01:18:02):
the data is supporting something. It's not right, right, It's
not just rock and caves and and different No, there
is a geometric structure that is going on here, and
that is that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I don't know if the world is ready for it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
I don't know Aliens visiting this planet. I think we
can we can handle that, you know, but but this
this is a certainly crazy time.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
I want to address one thing. Trevor Grossi. Until recently,
Trevor Grossi has been exploring the Giza Plateau front to
back to and fro, hither and thither for a very
very long time. He has got video after video after

(01:19:04):
video of him finding shafts and construction all over the
Giza plateau.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
That kid is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
He is tenacious and he has found stuff for a
very very long time. And I've told everybody for years,
go and check out Trevor's videos. Dude, his nuts, you know,
and he's been finding this and now, you know, good
on him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
What is being revealed.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Supports what he has been out there doing for a
very long time, right Chris, It's incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Right yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
I mean he's very energetic and passionate young man, and
he's done great work and that's what we need, you know.
It's amazing. And the way he's supported the TSAR scanning
project is is I mean, he's just a very good representative,

(01:20:04):
very very passionate, very humble and honest, honest guy. And
so you know, uh, I think that there's definitely something there.
And but the connection with the Great Pyramid or the
Pyramids in general is even more, i would say, in

(01:20:28):
the realm of science fiction than you could imagine. And
it's it puts the the Geezer power.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
Plan on steroids. I put it that way, if if.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
It turns out to be true everything that has been published,
and uh, it makes sense to me that it would
be true, but for a different reason than what is
being presented been presented.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
And what's that and what's that?

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Chris Well, in order to in order to explain that,
let's pull up that first first image of the globe. Okay,
So this is a discovery by a NASA physicist, Dr

(01:21:23):
Freedoman Freud, And basically what he says is that rocks
in the Earth's crust contain dormant electronic charge carriers, and
when stressed, rocks turn into a battery. And so what
he's saying is this was his study on earthquake lights

(01:21:46):
because he wanted to see if an early warning system
could be created by satellite detection of earthquake lights being
a precursor to an earthquake happening. And he was gathering

(01:22:06):
data and improving his case, even to the point of
bringing in large beams of granite and putting them under
pressure in a hydraulic press and measuring the electronic electrical
output of them. And so his physics, the underlying physics

(01:22:28):
for earthquake lives, has been pretty much described, but at
the same time is kind of like a semicon a
new physics, semiconductor physics, where you have peroxy defects in
the minerals in igneous rock that when stressed, they emit

(01:22:48):
these positive whole carriers or positive hull electrons. What happens
there is these electrons shoot to the surface very quickly
and they seek the highest point on the surface of
the Earth, and that's where they ionize the air and

(01:23:09):
cause the earthquake.

Speaker 5 (01:23:10):
Lies.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
So doctor frines I had he had no uh no, no,
no interest in the pyramids. He wasn't trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
He didn't have a horse in the race. No, he
didn't have a horse.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
He didn't have a horse in my race. No. Right,
he was just trying.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
He was just trying to trying to help humanity by
putting the you know, warning people a little sooner than
the conventional way of being worn that an earthquake is coming.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
And so when we take the fundamental the underlying idea
here is that gravity and pressure applied right, constant is
creating electronic discharge a different layer. Yeah, and movement right right,

(01:24:07):
and that's that's.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
The movement in the rock.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Yes, so's you know, when the when the earthplates are
crushing together, pressing together, then that's when the electrons are released.
So when I looked at that, I asked the question, well,
what if you simulate that?

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
And you know, not wait for an earthquake or nature
to release those electrons, but create a system whereby you
are stimulating the release of those electrons through using technology.
And the interesting thing is is that when we consider

(01:24:54):
the sacecan.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
You have a a.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
Shaft or these structures, the columns that go down, they
penetrate the limestone layer, and they meet the igneous layer
and go even further into the ignos layer, which means
that they would bypass or they go through the slag

(01:25:23):
or the you know, the impurities that would normally form
on the crown or the dome of the lava and
so that and into the pure igneous ruck.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
And then drive the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Igneous ruck from there in part vibrations into the rucks
in order to release those electrons. Those electrons would then
shoot up to the highest point and guess what, Well,
there's a very very nice looking pyramid.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
Over there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
And so those clever electrons, they say, I like a
little pyramid of power, and uh, then they are captured
in the the pyramids and the pyramid will uh will
persuade it to focus in around the center where the

(01:26:25):
King's chamber is. And that that science has been done
by some Russian researchers that showed that the the electro
magnetism is affected by when it passes through a pyramid
shape like the Great Pyramid. And so what you have

(01:26:46):
in the last few years is the Russian research.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
UH. You have the the Scam pyramid project, and now
you have the you know, the muon Uh project.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
And then you have the the synthetic aperture radar scanning,
all pointing to one thing that is that the pyramids
on the Giza Plateau were part of a much larger system.
The the structures underneath the Gezer Plateau were designed to

(01:27:25):
stimulate the emission of electrons from igneous rock deep under
the earth, which puts the Gezer power plant on steroids
when it comes to power generation. So that they that
one graphic of the of the earth that that tells

(01:27:46):
you everything, that says we are sitting on a battery
right and the the the electrons that we use are
right feet and you have to reconsider how we generate electricity.

(01:28:07):
We don't create electricity, we harness it, right, and so
the way we have been doing so is we burn
fossil fuels and boil water and blow turbine blades and
then capture the electrons of a generator and then distribute

(01:28:32):
it over the wires. It's a very inefficient process. But
can you imagine the amount of coal that goes into
generating electricity in one particularly I'll give you something that
will make you jaw drop two thousand and twenty three,

(01:28:53):
I think twenty three enough coal was quarried for use
in power and generating power. Enough coal was quarried to
build a pyramid seventy six times the size of the
Great Pyramid, seventy six times the size of the Great

(01:29:18):
Pyramid in one year. So it looks like an impossible
task to actually do that work.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
And say, why.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
Would somebody dig its yat that deep into the earth. Yeah,
I mean it's it's it sounds almost silly, right, But
the return on investment. Can you imagine when you don't
have to truck a lot of coal into or you know,

(01:29:51):
you know, piping oil or gas into the into the
the power plants, and then of course the environmental factors,
but you have the end product right under your feet,
and all you got to do is say, please, Earth,

(01:30:12):
give me more electrons.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
We've been trying, We've been trying to do that forever.
What what a what a dream?

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Right? And yeah? Yeah yeah, But there's another thing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
There's another there's another mind blower for you. You know,
take take, take this and ponder on this. Okay, So, uh,
you know they're getting right down into the agneus ruck,
right right down into it. What do they do with

(01:30:46):
all the agneous ruck that they're digging.

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
Out of there? What are they doing with all the
limestone that they're quarrying out of there? Hmm? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Yeah, Maybe the granite that was made used to build
the King's chamber came from underneath the pyramid and not
from five hundred miles away in Oswan?

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Is it possible, I knew where you were going with this.
Is it possible to have the same signatures in the
granite that identify it, you know, to come from Oswan,
that you could have nearly the same signature at another location.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
I'm sure that there are ways to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
I know I've thought about that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
I've thought about that a lot, look five hundred miles.
If we go with the dogma, we don't have to
dwell on this at all. But if we go with
the dogma, right, seventy five to one hundred ton blocks
in the relieving chambers above the King's chamber coming out
of Oswan, those blocks dragged across the desert at a

(01:32:01):
foot per hour would take five hundred years, right, And
that's a good dragging, by the way. That's that's pretty fast.
That's fast dragging, and so five hundred so you can
eliminate that. But then if you go to three thousand
BC and consider what was being constructed by man that

(01:32:22):
floated stuff, and I'm talking about boats. So a boat
large enough at that time period to displace one seventy
five ton stone.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Is a big boat.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
That's a big boat, and they had it's like, wait
a minute, it didn't exist back then, not like that,
So maybe it didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Come from Oswan.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
So if you consider that, we're back to what you
just suggested here. So is it possible to have the
same signatures in the stone from two different locations. I
don't know the answer to that, but the suggestions.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
I think it'll be worth while to check that out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Now okay, so let's let's
let's let's get back to it literally ground zero here.
So what you are suggesting, you know, coming from Freud's
research and I'll just pop this up right here. Okay, So,
is that based on what the the cofre project is

(01:33:31):
has revealed, is that from that stone that deep two
kilometers down, that those columns coming up are bringing the
electromagnetic energy, the electricity whatever it is, up and focused
underneath the pyramids. And what some have suggested I want

(01:33:52):
to this is where I'm going with this, is that
there are spiral staircases. Maybe that this represents something else
and and these uh silos of these giant columns two
kilometers uh deep. I think it's a stretch to take
it to the level of those are staircases and there's

(01:34:14):
something that it could be something else that's more fundamental,
which is what.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
You're suggesting, would actually function as a very large organ pipe.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
What large what.

Speaker 5 (01:34:29):
Organ pipe?

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Like a church organ?

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
Like a big sub off of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Yeah, like a big so okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
All right, okay, yeah that will shake up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Yeah, twenty twenty hurts a twenty herd sub.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
More like zero point two sixty five.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Oh really, like really really low two thumbs a second.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
Yeah, we're talking. We're talking real rock music now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, taking led Zeppelin to a
whole nother.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Uh wow, that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:35:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
The person who put me on to that and actually
uh uh gave me a little more insight into into
the was is doctor Man, who's say to day, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
You you He's great, he's great, He's.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
He's very very detailed in particular, he's a very good researcher,
and so he had done some UH studies and and
actually queried uh Ai in terms of the length of
the U. These these UH structures, the tunnels, the chafts

(01:35:57):
uh and there are like six hundred forty eight meters deep,
and basically at that length they would match the frequency
or harmonic of the frequency of the ascending passage in
the Great Pyramids. So there are frequency matches where they

(01:36:20):
lock on with the Earth and the pyramid. So everything
is kind of in harmony and in residence together, and
the end result is that you have the flow of
electrons and the distribution of electrons to a technological society.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Now overall, and this is this is where I like
to have a little fun. I know that you've thought
about this and taken your thoughts to other places.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
It's your job, all right, But.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
What is the end, Rey Salt, What is the overall purpose?
You've talked about this a lot, but let's take it further.
Because if this is indeed the case, I like the
way you said it. If it's true, right, okay, If
that is, we're talking about a tremendous amount of free energy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
What was it used for?

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
Yes, I mean the.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
It would be an incredible source of electricity for any society.
I think when we look at the development of technology
and looking into the future, we we uh, we have
to get get.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Into the realm of science fiction.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
You know, when you when you look at a cell
phone and its introduction into the science fiction genre and
the back in the fifties or something like that, or
on Star Trek, you know, you have the communicators where
you look at somebody's face while you're talking to them.

(01:38:08):
The that was just sci fi many a few years ago.
Now it's a reality. And so when you look at
the development, you look at the progress of say Elon
Musk with Tesla automobiles and and the his use of electricity.

(01:38:35):
That use or demand for electricity would go down significantly
if we solve the other problem that we're faced with,
and that is the being overcoming gravitational field. So if
you have like an automobile or a car that just

(01:38:59):
floats and and can be propelled without you know, very
large transmissions and large modes and stuff like that, but
it has some means of propulsion that doesn't it, that
doesn't doesn't need all that energy to move forward.

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
Stop.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
Uh, maybe you're looking at one of those tic TACs,
the UAPs that.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
Fly around in the right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
You're looking at sci fi technology that's just beyond our
comprehension because we don't know We know how they function,
but we don't know what goes into them, what's inside,
you know. And but that doesn't mean we will not eventually,

(01:39:50):
because when you are looking for ideas or trying to
explain phenomenon, then you basically explore paths, unusual paths, and
h and follow your hunches until you solve the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
And I believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
You know, future generations will reshape this planet in ways
that we can't even imagine, just like our generation and
you know, the current generations on the planet right now
have reshaped the world to what it is right now,
because you know it is.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
You go, I go back.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
I'm looking at my I'm looking at my past and
my you know, my family tree and how things used
to be. And it's mind blowing really when you pause
and think about that. And when you get older, you know,
like me and retired, you think about it more than

(01:40:56):
more than most people.

Speaker 5 (01:40:57):
Uh, but the the future is we never know. There
was a Charles Duell I think he was it was child.
He was the.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
Head of the patent office, and he said that he
wished he could live his life over because, uh, he
would love He doesn't know, but he he can imagine
the advances and the technology knowledge is that we are
just on. He was just on the threshold of the

(01:41:36):
changes in technology and the inventions that are coming forward
and how they will shape the world in the future.
He just wishes he could live his life over again
to see that. So, you know, it's like he was
at the towards the end of his life.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
And uh, every generation does that, don't they everything?

Speaker 5 (01:41:56):
Yeah, every generated generation. But but.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
You bring up a really good point, and I'm not
ragging on Tesla the car company at all.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
But what we don't, uh, what we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Fully grasp is yes, electric cars, those batteries get charged
with electricity that is generated somewhere else, right, right, you
need to understand that. Right, it comes, whether it's coal, right, nuclear,

(01:42:35):
wind turbine, whatever, we generate the energy to pump into
the said electric cars. All right, Pollution is created, Logistics
are involved, Ships are transporting material to generate that power
that goes into an electric car. Now it sounds Jimmy,

(01:42:58):
we all know, you don't you don't. You got to
understand that part. Now, what if that energy can be
brought up that it's naturally created from the gravity and
pressure of this planet, and that is already there beneath
our feet, and we don't have to burn coal or

(01:43:20):
have a nuclear power plant, even building a wind turbine
everything that all, all of the logistics and energy that
goes in to build the wind turbine. You gotta understand,
is there a return on investment there? What if it
is right belieath our feet and the way Tesla talked
about free energy distribution through the through the ether pumped

(01:43:44):
into cars and electric planes and everything else. You know,
that's I think that's the end goal, and our future
generations are going to be looking at just that. And
it turns out that it may be right there underneath Giza,
and past civilizations were already doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
That's crazy, not just geezer all across the planet, right,
I mean there is a you look at you look
in in America and uh for signs of earthquake lights
with a lot of activity. And you know, there's one
place in Texas, Marfa, Texas is known for the terrestrial

(01:44:26):
light displays that goes up. And you know, so it's
not just in Egypt. There are these hot spots all
over there. The thing is is that you go prospecting
for them, right, and so you know you'd be like
prospecting for electrons instead of prospecting for oil.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Ye, right, exactly with dowsing rods. Yeah, yeah, whatever, Yeah,
let me this is in your wheelhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
But I have to ask you, the sarian.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
I I am mystified by that. I have been down
I've been inside it a few times, and there is something.
It's not just a bunch of big blocks, it's not
there's something that is just as mechanical as as the
design of the Great Pyramid. What do you think the

(01:45:22):
purpose of the Assarian was?

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
I have no clue. I mean, it's a mystery to
be too. I don't know what they were using it for.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
It's incredible, isn't it when when.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
You say it is, Yeah, it's an amazing place, amazing accomplishment.

Speaker 5 (01:45:40):
Uh, but who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
I mean you've got other places too, like the Labyrinth
you know at who are That's that's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
That's another Sorrows That's another SARS project going on right.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
Now, right, yeah, right, So you know, you've got a
lot of stuff, and we have a lot of questions.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
You go down to the Assarian and again everybody go
to Egypt, and so you can have the WTF moments
that Chris and I get when we go there, right,
because you go down to the Assari and you stand
in the middle of those giant blocks which are beyond
comprehension their size. But anyway, you put your hands on

(01:46:26):
your hips and you just go.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
Huh right, huh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
It's beyond is it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
It's just crazy and you can see I don't know
what the function is, but you can see that there's
a genuine purpose. You can see what's going on. It's
not spiritual and nothing spiritual about that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
That is a mechanical engine of some kind. I just
don't know what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
Yeah, I kind of I have to disagree with you
on that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Do you think it's spiritual?

Speaker 5 (01:47:03):
Well, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
I don't think we should separate the material from the spiritual.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
I believe that. I believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
You know, even if you are designing and creating a
mechanical device, it is it is not devoid of some
spiritual input, whether it is what is my next move
going to be in building this due tomorrow? And then

(01:47:41):
in the middle of the night an idea comes to
you in the middle of the night. Aha, you know
all those moments right right right right, I know what
to do next. And so you go in and you
apply this idea that floated in your brain at three o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
In the morning. Yeah, you know, you know is that mechanical?
Is that mechanical.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Spirit or is it divine?

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Right right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Well here's the other thing. Oh, I want to I
want to point something out to you that I found
out last year when I was in Egypt. But anyway,
so when you walk out of Abbados and you're at
the top and that's a beautiful you know, all of that,
and you just go down the anyway. When you walk out,

(01:48:32):
and then you look down into the Assarian right, and
you're looking around, you can see that everything around you
is built above the Assarian. The Assarian is deep. It's
it's much much to me, it's much older than I
guess it was SETI the first or whoever you know,

(01:48:53):
is responsible for this other stuff that is underground. That is,
and you don't realize that. And because you see all
the what I would consider modern construction in terms of
what's going on, but the Assarian appears to be much
much shoulder. So while I'm there, the director of Abydos

(01:49:15):
comes up from the Egyptian Antiquities and he comes up
and he goes, okay, so, Jimmy Kimara, I want to
show you something. I said, what's up? He goes, come here,
follow me. We walk okay. So you know when you
walk out of Abydos and the Assarian is in front
of you, okay, right, He takes me to the right
and up on top of the hill above Abydos and

(01:49:38):
above the Assarian, and he goes, look at that over there,
I said, what is it? He goes, Chris, I'm not
on all that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
I love. We found another assarian? I said what?

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
And I'm looking and then I could see all of
the wheelbarrows, all of the workers right a couple of times.
This is about a mile away up on the hill,
the final second assarian and they're doing the dig right now. Yes, yeah, yeah,
what is going on? So again, exciting times in Egypt. Amazing, Yeah,

(01:50:16):
absolutely amazing. So in terms of where you are at
right now, what do you think is going to be revealed?

Speaker 6 (01:50:29):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
With stars, with Hawara and everything else? Are we looking
at ginormous intricate interlocked system tunnels and labyrinth?

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Yeah, but something else that served a greater function? Is
that possible to reveal in our lifetime? But is that
where we are at right now?

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Is that what you think is next?

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
I think definitely a physical exploration for features that have
been discovered through muon detection or the synthetic aperture radar
to have, you know, be able to have your hands
on it and examine it, physically, examine it, measure it,

(01:51:18):
photograph it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
Uh. Now the.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
Moving towards that, which is you know? I think that
that should be the goal of everybody. UH. That would
depend on politics and the willingness of the people who
were in charge on how quickly that happens. And traditionally

(01:51:45):
in the past, as you have counted the years between
Gant and brinks first exploration, it was almost a decade
later before there was another, and then it was a
decade after that and there is another.

Speaker 5 (01:52:00):
So you know, you're.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
Talking about very very slow evolution and UH and progress
in terms of driving towards that goal. The the issue,
I believe is that you have these what we consider

(01:52:22):
to be technological uh artifacts, the pyramids. They are a technology,
a purpose related to technology, fall under the purview of
the Ministry of Antiquities. So so that seems there seems

(01:52:45):
to be some movement towards a kind of a cooperation
between the ministers who are more technically focused and then
the archaeol just or Egyptologists. There is a such as
the lead on the Scam Pyramid project is a doctor

(01:53:09):
Hani Halal, and he was the Minister of Science and
Higher Education in Egypt, and he's also an engineer. So
I met him and I explained my theory to him,
gave him my book and we had a very nice

(01:53:33):
conversation over a coffee one day, and then Amada Awa,
who is also on the Scam Pyramid mission team, was
in the meeting and we talked about the function of
the Great Pyramid, and Hainey asked me what it would

(01:53:54):
take to actually restore the Great Pyramid and.

Speaker 5 (01:53:57):
Have it working again. Was like, I was quite surprised.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
I was quite blown away that, you know, being asked
that question by somebody in the government right of Egypt.
I remember that my first my first trip to Egypt,
I took a copy of my article that was published

(01:54:26):
in Analog magazine. It was called Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt,
and I at the Cairo Museum. I gave it to
the curator at the Cairo Museum and he took it,
opened a drawer, just threw it in there and wished
me I never heard anything from it, like and so
it's like, you know, you go from that and then

(01:54:49):
from all the acceptance of these ideas, and then also
you know, when I wrote my second book, The Lost
Technologies of Ancient Egypt, I made an appeal to Egyptian
engineers to go out and take measurements for themselves and

(01:55:11):
along and behold, a young man came forward and did
just that. His name is Ahmed Adhli. He's an engineer
and he created a YouTube channel and his videos have
received millions of views and has become very well known
in the Arab speaking world because the Egyptians and you know,

(01:55:37):
other countries in the area, the Arabic countries in that
area absolutely loving hearing about the advanced nature of their ancestors.

Speaker 5 (01:55:48):
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
I've noticed one thing when you talk to which you
have and I have, but when you talk to the
directors of these different sites, okay, those that are in charge,
employees of the government and the Department of Antiquities, that

(01:56:14):
you can talk to them privately and they are not
completely but they are definitely open minded to alternative theories publicly,
and what they say publicly they still have to toe
the line. But when you talk to them, you know,

(01:56:36):
and they honestly this is not a joke. They want
this stuff to be revealed. This is where funding comes from,
this is where tourism comes from, this is where interests
from universities around the world comes from, and other governments
and supports and that's exactly what they need is to

(01:57:00):
have the stuff revealed, and I think that they're okay
with it in a general sense, you know what I'm saying, Chris,
I think they have a very open mind to it.

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
Yeah. I mean Am.

Speaker 4 (01:57:15):
Notified me of some news program on on Egyptian television
that was presenting my latest book. These are the Tesla Connection.
They were talking about it. And there are other Egyptologists
who are actually supporting my work. And also there is

(01:57:36):
now a public al Kama publisher in Cairo have contracted
to They've got the translation rights to publish my book
in Arabic, so I'm really happy about that. So, yeah,
the activity has just exploded. You know, it's a revolution,
It's totally it's a total revolution.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:57:59):
I want to take the time right now to personally
thank you on behalf of the community and all of
your hard work and everything else and your contributions to
this planet. Just just thank you so much. It means
so much to all of us, all right, So just
just on behalf of the community. I just want to

(01:58:21):
just take this time to just just thank you and
all of your hard work over the years. Just thank
you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:58:27):
Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
You're you're the absolute very best. I look forward to
our next conversation. You know what's going to happen next week, Chris,
I mean just like mad so uh just congratulations. This
is all exciting. You're a big part of all of this.
And again I look forward to our next conversation. The
links for Chris are below, Go and explore his books

(01:58:52):
and everything else that you need is right there in
the description box below, on our website and throughout social media.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
And he's also yeah good, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
Could I also mention two things sure. One is that
freedoman Freud has a video or YouTube video if you
search for the name freedoman Freund christ Church, New Zealand.
There is a ted x lecture that he gave in

(01:59:24):
christ Church, which he does an excellent Job's very understandable.
And the other thing is, don't forget the Golden Pyramid
or the Global Pyramid Network conference in Wadsworth, Illinois.

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
At the Golden Pyramid. I like to see that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, No, I'm going to be in San
Diego that weekend with another conference. But we've been talking
about that conference over the last week and so yes, absolutely,
and I'm Fromicago.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
I wish I could.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
But yeah, I'm going to be in in San Diego,
but we've been promoting that conference for all of you.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
So yeah, have a good time out there.

Speaker 3 (02:00:10):
And just man, Chris keep rolling that rock uphill, my man,
Thank you so much. Right, yeah, all right, I'll talk
to you soon, Chris, Thank you, my man.

Speaker 5 (02:00:20):
All right, thank the best.

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
Christopher Dune. We've got Chris's links below, and of course
the conference in Chicago which is September twenty sixth eight
twenty ninth, and we've had the links up for that
and we will continue to do that. I am your host,
Jimmy Church. What is going on? Oh man? You know,
I you know when I'm at that point of the

(02:00:44):
show when I just said, was going, yeah, tomorrow night,
George has is with us. We're gonna be talking about
what's on Mars that is tomorrow night right here on
Fade to Black.

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
We've got a great week coming up. And for now
until tomorrow night, all I've got is.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
Go Becklee Tappy.

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