FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: George Haas

Tonight, author and researcher George Haas joins us to discuss What is on Mars???

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(01:01):
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All right, all right, all right, got that out of
the way. Let's get to the show. This is going
to be a lot of fun. I know George and
his work is incredible, all right. So we're going to
go through all of this tonight with his research into
what's on Mars, all right. And I think what is

(04:44):
important here is that he has been doing this research
for three decades at least. He's the founder of the
Sedonia Institute and the Architects on Mars and what is
going on on Mars and those formations. We're going to
look at all of this and here's the deal. Has

(05:07):
Mars hosted an advanced civilization? And are we Martians? Right?
That's another thing to consider here. I've often talked about
that right here on the show, the Sidonia Institute, and
it is something that he founded thirty years ago, and

(05:28):
he's also a member of the Society for Planetary Seti Research.
Over the past thirty years, he has co authored two books,
The Sidonia Codex from two thousand and five, the Martian
Codex in two thousand and nine, and his latest book,
which we will also be discussing tonight, was released this
past January, and it's called The Great Architects of Mars

(05:51):
Evidence for the Law Civilizations on the Red Planet. He's
appeared on History Channel Ancient Aliens. The Proof is out
there and the Explained with William Bill, Captain Kirk Shatner,
and I would like to walk from the Fada black
for the first time. George Hassey's right there. Hey George,
how you doing? Man?

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Hey, Jimmy, thanks for having me on. I look forward
to talking to your listeners about what we've found here
on Mars.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. George, And
you get the first time guest disclaimer, although I've interviewed
you before, but we'll talk about that another time. Uh,
you get the first time guest disclaimer, George, which is this,
George is just you and I sitting on my couch
having a conversation as friends. And where the conversation starts,

(06:41):
it starts, where it ends, it ends. But we're gonna
end as friends. There you go. Now you have to
accept so we can move on.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Hey, I'm a friendly guy.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, yeah, simple enough, right, simple? You know, I don't
think you're going to say absolutely. You're research is quite extensive,
and not only your research, but you've got a network
of other researchers, and you guys and gals are all

(07:13):
working together, and this volume of knowledge is extensive. But
I've got to ask the basic question here to introduce
you into the audience. When did the interest in Mars
start for you?

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, I was around during nineteen seventy six, the bi
centennial time of the United States, and NASA had planned
a double mission going to Mars, the Viking one the
Viking two, which was supposed to land originally in the
Sedoni area of Mars. And I was a graduate of

(07:51):
high school in nineteen seventy six, so I remember all that.
And that's when they had taken pictures of an odd
land formation in Sedonia that resembled what NASA called the Head,
which ended up being called the Face on Mars. That
was in the summer of nineteen seventy six, so that's
what originally got my attention.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
That was I don't you know, here's the thing with that,
with the youngsters that are around today, because you and
I are the same age, right, so, but the youngsters
we're the same age, and youngsters that are interested in
the subject today and are following things and stuff, they

(08:37):
weren't around for that, and it was a huge deal.
Oh Man, front pages of the newspapers and coverage in
the media and everything else. It was plus, you know,
you know, to get images back from another planet that

(08:58):
was showing us what technology could do as well. And
I think that some of us were like hoping for
something crazy and we got it right, We got it
with the face on Mars. It was a big, big thing,
wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh yeah, there was a lot of excitement. People thought,
oh my god, we're finding a civilization on Mars. But
NASA quickly reined in all the attention, and you know,
they had an original press conference, national television. You know,
of course, you're talking about the young people out there
today that you know, constantly looking at their cell phones

(09:35):
and they have computer they have total access to all
kinds of media. When you and I were growing up,
we only had three TV networks, that was it. Three.
I mean they have like, you know, hundreds of channels today,
So you know, we were back in the Stone Age.
And when this developed, NASA basically quashed this from the beginning.

(09:57):
They said, they took another picture of it and it
was nothing but a trick of light and shadow, and
the second image never you know, surfaced to the public,
but they said, oh it's there's nothing there, and of
course back then everybody believed the media and if NASA
said it was nothing, they just moved on and it
was quickly forgotten. And myself, I had forgotten about it

(10:17):
until the nineteen nineties when they talked about going back
to Mars and taking more images, and then of course
people were saying, hey, what about that face that we
had taken a picture of? Are you going to take
more pictures of that? And believe it or not, little
Senator I think John McCain he came out and said,
you know, we got to get a picture of this,

(10:39):
and so he was pretty instrumental in guiding NASA to
actually do this for you know, for the public, so
in the night, not until the nineteen nineties. I mean
it was almost like, you know, almost twenty one years
later or whatever, that we actually got a picture of
this in nineteen ninety eight, where we got our second,
our actual third picture of the face on Mars.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
How many of the uh millions and millions of images
that that NASA has posted now of Mars, how much
of that have you actually looked at? Because I have, uh,
just I'm gonna make a brief comment if I can't
I have looked at them until my eyes hurt and

(11:23):
were bloodshot, and I was just I know I've told
you this before, but uh, and I've just scratched the
surface of what's available and and and going through those images,
and so many of them, especially today, are really high
reds and high definition. And but if you look at

(11:47):
those pictures, not in everyment, but if you're looking you
see strange stuff all the time, right that just it's like,
why aren't we putting the curiosity over there in that direction?
Why aren't we putting a lander here? Why aren't we
going there? How much of those images have you poured

(12:10):
over yourself?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, I've looked over probably a lot more than I
can count. You know, I do this all the time.
This is basically what I do. I have the opportunity
to be able to be home and have the time
to look at all these NASA images, which there's just
so much stuff to look at. And you know, you

(12:33):
and I both have an art background, and you know,
as being an artist, you have an eye for sculpture.
You know what rocks look like, you know what buildings
look like. You know, you don't have to be a
you know, an archaeologist to know that you're looking at
some type of geometric structures on the surface. So after

(12:56):
doing this for so many years, it's it's pretty I'm
not gonna say easy, but I can. I'm able to
distinguish between you know, natural formations. You look a lot
of strips of NASA. They take these long, narrow strips
of these areas and you'll look at a strip and
it's like everything's rocks, this is there's nothing here, this
is all you know basic you know, Martian geology. And

(13:18):
then you'll find another strip and you'll see stuff that
just jump out at you, like it looks like there's
structures over here. And the closer you look, you get
some you know, confirmation of other images, because they tend
to take numerous images of these same areas all the time,
over and over and over again. There are some images
they take like twenty pictures, like why are they doing this?
It looks like a crater, there's nothing there. Why are

(13:38):
they keep looking at this? But you'll find there's a
lot of repetitive images. So you get and this is
what science is, Jimmy. You're allowed to you know, you
see one image, you find something that interesting. It looks
like a structure. You're able to find three or four
images at different times a day, different times of the year,
different lighting conditions, and you're able to, you know, do

(13:59):
it an now as yourself, you know, with all these
NASA images. So it's it's it's pretty interesting and it's
very time.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Oh yeah, for sure, like going down the rabbit hole. Yeah,
for sure. I've always made the comparison of if I
was broken down in the desert. Right. I live in
the desert here in southern California. I live in the
Mohave Desert, And if I'm stuck and I have to walk, right,

(14:27):
I'm going to look for something in the distance that's
not natural, and I'm going to walk towards it. The
first thing that I see, Right, that's my target, all right,
That's not that I need to get there before I die, right, Okay,

(14:47):
it's the same thing. And and you'll you'll find something
like that, hopefully. And it's the same thing with Mars.
When I look at those images, I can see stuff
off in the distance that's not natural that I would
walk to, you know what I mean. And that's that
I get the same vibration off of Mars that I

(15:09):
do right here on planet Earth. Is that how you
analyze photographs? Do you look for stuff that is not
natural and then and apply it that way?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, Like I said, looking at these for over thirty years,
at this point, I'm able to distinguish between you know,
what are natural geological formations on Mars and at this point,
looking at these strips, the artificial structures just jump out
at me. We're looking at geometry things that are very symmetrical,
and normally when you find these things, there's other structures

(15:45):
in the same area that look like that. So these
things just jump out at me. And the more I
do the investigation, you know, looking at other images on
a different lighting conditions, it just verifies what I'm looking at.
And it's like, I'm sure NASA is all aware of
these things. You know, they're taking the pictures, and you
would think they would be aware of what these structures

(16:07):
are and where they're at. And you know, I've been
doing this for a long time and I've accumulated a
whole archive of structures. I have enough images, Jimmy to
probably do five more books.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
You do you do for sure? For sure, we're on
our way to Mars, you know, finally, I thought it
was going to happen when you and I were kids.
You know, it seemed like we were getting clothes and
then we got that taken from us. But it looks
like we're eventually going to get there pretty soon, sooner
than later. What do you think those first humans are

(16:41):
going to see when they get to Mars? Or would
they on purpose land somewhere where there possibly isn't as
much stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, a lot of the most desirable places to land
is full of structures, structures all over the place. This
is one reason, Jimmy, why we don't go to the moon.
The Moon has all kinds of structures on it also,
and so this is one reason why from the late
nineteen seventies we stopped going to the moon. Because you
can't land on the Moon and build condominiums and have

(17:17):
people look out the balcony and go, hey, Mom, what's
that over there that looks like a building, you know,
ruins or something. There's stuff all over the place. Same
thing with Mars. I don't know where they would land.
They'd have to find a place where, you know, there
was nothing that people could see from where the settlement was.
But you know, elon Musk, he is determined to go
to Mars. He wants to build colonies there, and you

(17:41):
know we're going to go sooner or later. But you know,
it seems to you know, in the beginning of the year,
we had a lot of talk about going to Mars,
and then Elon Musk got involved with the government and
got involved in the Doge fiasco with him, and you know,
it's like everybody hated Elon Musk. It's like, God, we're

(18:02):
never going to go to Mars now because the public,
you know, is turning on Elon Musk and he's the
guy that's going to get us there, so you know,
he's been hiding out what you know, the water's cool
here and we'll see what happens. But there hasn't been
a lot of discussion lately about our missions to the Moon,
our Mars. But I know that Elon wants to go there.
I know the current government wants to go there, and

(18:25):
it's just about you know, more waiting.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, we're going to be We've got a few images
that I wanted to show to everybody, and we'll get
to those. Everybody, be patient. But who do you think
and when do you think this stuff was built?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Well? It's from the evidence I've seen with pictures that
NASA has taken of the Moon and Mars, tons of
pictures of Mars, and knowing that history of civilization, ancient cultures, technologies,
and talking about extraterrestrials in the past, it appears that

(19:09):
from the structures that I've seen on Mars, they were
built after Mars was a dead planet. These are more
recent things. I know. This is kind of a shock
to most people. They think things on Mars are, you know,
millions and millions of years old, But I don't think
that old. And I think what happened was that when
Mars was a dead planet. I think this goes back

(19:32):
to it goes back to the time when our Solar
system was evolving. You know, scientists tell us that all
the planets were created by all of this debris from
the Big Bang, and they created all these different solar systems,
and all the debris and the rocks banged together and
created these nice round planets, which is kind of bizarre.

(19:53):
And in our Solar system, for some reason, we had
all these this debris left, which was called the asteroid belt,
all floating around. So for some reason, those rocks didn't
conjoin together with all this debris and everything to form
a moon or a planet. But it's just this huge
asteroid belt. Doctor Tom van Frandlin he proposed that this

(20:16):
this asteroid belt was the remnants of an exploded planet.
I'm sure at this idea. Yes, So the asteroid belt
is the remnants of this exploded planet. So we don't
know why this planet blew up. Dr Tom van Frandlin,
he's a member of the Society of a Planetary SETI Research's,

(20:37):
he's a well known scientist. He thinks that either it
was an internal problem with this planet at the core
that made it blow up, or it could have been
blown up by Darth Vader, you know, a you know,
star weapon that destroyed the planet. Could have been a war.
Who knows. So this planet blew up, and when it
blew up, it created the asteroid belt, destroyed whatever civilization.

(21:03):
Because the asteroid belt is between Mars and Jupiter. Okay, right,
this planet blows up either from a natural catastrophe with
its core or whatever, or it was a military an invasion,
some kind of space war, and it blows up. It
destroys Mars. Whatever civilization was on Mars is gone. We

(21:23):
have no idea who they were because it was destroyed.
That explosion pushed all the planets closer to the Sun,
you follow me, So whatever culture was on Mercury was
destroyed because they were all all the plants moved closer
to the Sun because of this destruction. This is what
killed all the dinosaurs on the planet Earth. Sixty five

(21:46):
million years ago. This thing blows up. All the planets
move in it's gravity which killed the dinosaurs, not this
one meteor asteroid hitting the Yucatan area and causing a
you know, ten years of darkness. This was all because
of this planet explowing up, So the dinosaurs all die.

(22:08):
Time passes. Earth becomes a paradise as it evolves. And
my theory is that there was this runaway culture civilization
that came to our galaxy, you know, maybe a million
years ago, and they came to our galaxy running away
from someone or that their planet was destroyed and they
were coming for a new life. So they come to

(22:29):
our solar system. They come in through the outside Solar system.
They come through Mars. They see this dead planet here,
they move in. They see this beautiful paradise Earth. They
set up base kind of like the Anonachi story. So
they set up a base on Earth and to protect
themselves from this culture that's coming after them or they're leaving.

(22:50):
So as a military precaution, they set up bases on
the Moon and on Mars. Mars is an outpost. It's
a guardian outpost. So if this culture comes in, they
can fight. Like George Bush said during the you know,
the Afghan wars and stuff, it's better to fight them
over there than over here. So you have these outposts

(23:11):
stationed on Mars and on the Moon, and these stations
have little cities, little communities on Mars much more complex.
You have all these bases all over the place. That's
these ruins that I'm talking about in my new book,
all these areas that were these little settlements that were
set up as outpost to protect Earth, which they had

(23:32):
found this beautiful paradise. Now when they got on Earth,
they found what you know, Zacharia Sitchen talks about these
they found either the Neanderthals or promagnet and through genetic engineering,
they made us, you know, they made us as workers.
So as time passed, they made us. We're working for them.
They're building bases on the Moon, Mars, everything's wonderful on Earth.

(23:54):
And my theory is that they were found out by
this culture that they were running away from. We had
big war. They fought on Mars, they fought on the Moon,
and they fought on Earth. And you have a lot
of these ancient cultures that talk about all these battles
between the gods. You have this in India, so there's
a lot of records for all these in Samerian culture.

(24:16):
So whatever happened, they destroyed these bases on the Moon
and Mars, and they left. They left us who they made,
the humans we're left on Earth. We evolve, we regroup,
and of course we have that amnesia that Graham Hancock
talks about. We forgot about all this, and we eventually

(24:37):
go back to the Moon. We become a space faring culture.
We go back to the Moon and we find these
things on the Moon, these ruins. We go to Mars.
We find ruins on Mars. They possibly set up new
because what we're finding on Mars, Jimmy, is it appears
to be two different types of ruins. We're finding ruins
that appear to be very distructed, very ruined, like the

(25:01):
DNM pyramid in the Sidonia area, which looks like part
of it was destroyed. And then we're finding a lot
of these little settlements, these communities that have a lot
of these pristine, almost perfectly left structures. So it's like
a different time period. So I'm thinking that as this
culture that occupied Earth and left the humans there, we
went back out to space, We went to the Moon

(25:23):
and went to Mars, and we rebuilt. And the second
scenario that I'm talking about is that we probably had
a similar conflict that the Americans had when we left
England came to America. We had the Civil War, not
the Civil Sorry, we had the Revolutionary War, where we

(25:43):
said to England, you know, we're not gonna listen to
you anymore. We're going to have our own culture here.
We're going to start our own country. And it might
have had a similar thing on Mars where they were
mining all of these types of minerals and things and
they said that, you know, kind of like the movie
with the Martian Chronicles where they decide that, you know,
they wanted to have their own planet. So you had
more conflict. So after that's all done, we're left with

(26:06):
what we have now. We had the Great Flood, on
the planet Earth, and a lot of this stuff was lost.
And now we're going back to being a space faring culture.
We're finding We went to the Moon a couple of times,
we found structures up there. We said we can't go
there anymore. Now we're going to Mars. There's all kinds
of evidence of past ruins and structures on Mars. So

(26:28):
the governments I think around the world, like China, Russia,
they're in a big dilemma. They don't want to go
to Mars because they're communist countries. They can't go to
the Moon and say to their people that, oh, we
found structures on the Moon, because you know, in a
communist culture, the government rules. Nothing's better than the government.
You can't say there was a past civilization greater than that. Yeah,

(26:49):
they don't want to do any space.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
You might be right on that one. You might be
right on that wasn't Uh. Traces of xenon one found
on Mars would indicate an atomic explosion. I mean Z
one xeno one twenty nine. Here on Earth. It's it's around,
but we find it mainly after an atomic bomb tests

(27:15):
or explosion, don't we And it's been found on Mars
which would indicate a war or something in the past
that you're talking about, right.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, yeah, my whole scenario about this idea about these
different cultures and these battles that went on. This is
supported by doctor John Brandenberg's research with NASA discovering large
amounts of xenon one twenty nine in the atmosphere of Mars.
They detected this all the way back to the America
nine program, was before Viking, and it's been detected in

(27:49):
all the new missions that they've sent there and on
Earth there was always very low you could find xenon
twenty nine, which could be calls from I mean, I'm
not a scientist, so your listeners know, I'm an artist
kind of like you. My background's art. I'm not a scientist.
I hold no degree. I did all this research just

(28:10):
looking at structures and seeing a lot of you know,
pictographic things and stuff like that on Mars. And so
NASA had known about this, but when they went to
Mars and the Mariner nine and the Viking, they had
these little atmospheric snifters on them that you know, check
out the atmosphere, and they found they were alarmed by

(28:32):
the amount of xenon twenty nine and Xenine twenty nine
was basically brought to the forefront when they were doing
nuclear tests in the forties that anytime you did these tests,
this would, you know, increase the readings of xenon one
twenty nine. So Brandenburg believes that all these high readings
on Mars is an indication that there was some type

(28:54):
of nuclear war going on on Mars. And so this
whole scenario about these structures and these settlements on Mars
and these ruins all show especially this image we're going
to show coming up later about the Atlanti's Chaos area
of Mars, which looks like basically Nagasaki ruins.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, that's that's that's a mind. Well, let's know, let's
pull up this image now since you brought it up,
because this this is pretty shocking to see. So here
it is here and I'll let you take everybody through this.
What are we looking at? What's on the left the

(29:35):
left side.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
This is a Mars Reconnaissance Order high resolution image. This
can take detail all the way down to you know,
a vehicle the size of a Volkswagen. Now, this grid
that you're seeing on the surface, these cubicles are like
twenty by twenty feet in diameter. They're very uniform. Also,

(29:57):
if I could use my cursor, do you see that
on your end?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
No? No, that's okay, right.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
I'm sorry. We don't have any more images. But dead
center there in the center of the image is what
looks like a dome. It looks like the Capital Dome
at DC. There's various structures in the center of these
ruins that look very architectural. Now what I'm comparing it
to on the right, this is in Saudi Arabia. These

(30:25):
are those kind of like Adobe square housing units that
are all these are ancient. They're all mud brick, and
they're just big squares one after another. It's almost identical, Jimmy,
to what we're seeing on Mars.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Now, I might be able to Okay, hang on for
a second. I might be able to manipulate something that
we can blow up. So just just stay with me.
I might be able to pull this off. I can't
guarantee it, so everybody, just stay with you.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
I'm looking for it.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I got I've got the technology, and yeah, that's the technology.
Let me see if I can do things this way,
and if this works, I might be able to zoom
this in. Okay, so I think it's this one right here. Yeah, yeah, okay,

(31:21):
so now I can blow this up. Okay, there you go.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Hey, there you go. Okay, move it down a little bit.
All right, that's great. You see the little dome there,
the circular dome.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
In the middle, right right there.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah yeah, Now on it's on the left side. There's
like a Maya Ziggarot type of that right there where
your cursive is wrap of that. Yeah, that's another structure.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Now the interesting thing about this, with all of these
other structures being flattened out, this is kind of like
what happened at Nagasaki when they drop the bomb and
it blew up all the the whole city except the
central Uh. It looks like a big church dome area
in the center. So those were the only building standing.

(32:10):
If you go to the dome there with your cursor
Jimmy here, yeah, now go uh southeast, go east, keep
going right there, keep going right there.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's that's a barn. Doesn't that look like a barn.
It's got a chimney on the.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Top that's pretty strange looking. Yeah. Yeah, there's something on
the back that's.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
One of the that's yep, yep, that's one of the
remaining structure. And if you zoom in there you can
actually see details inside those rooms. It's amazing. This is
just a I mean, yeah, next to see all this
stuff in the in the it's just amazing. There's stuff everywhere.
You can see the beams going over in the room.

(32:51):
Look at all this grid. This is all ruins. This
does not happen in nature.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
You know, like, what's this right here? And oh yeah,
I noticed, right.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
You could spend some time looking at this.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yes, uh, the one with the two white dots in
it too as well, but yeah, that's uh. Each one
of these has got something to see in the middle. Yeah,
what's this? This is pretty strange too, that's.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Right here in this area is called Atlantis chaos. And
you know the word chaos, you know that just means
you know, it's it's not there's no order.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah. And so this over here, this is where this is,
you said, Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, these are old ruins of these Adobe like structures
of this little compartmentalized buildings, just like you're seeing on Mars. Yeah,
very similar, perfect example, very similar. So you know, if
archaeologists were to look at this. If this you told
them this was on Earth, they said, oh yeah, these
are just a little adobe uh foundations, But this is

(33:53):
on Mars.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, this is uh, this is an incredible picture. I
remember you and I talking about this before. Yeah, look yeah, yeah,
this is uh. This has got a lot of strange things.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh yeah, it's like a gridded city with all these buildings.
It's it's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Huh. And one would have to ask, you know, how
how would a grid system like this If there's no
life on Mars it never has been, then what naturally
creates this kind of grid system? What is this? Struke?
That's that's pretty bizarre.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I know there's there's stuff everywhere. Yeah, on Earth, you'd
never find a grid system with things that are, you know,
twenty feet by twenty feet anywhere this you can find
geological formations that create like a little tile patterns that
are very small, no higher than you know, half an inch.
This is highly irregular. Now, how does how does like ruins?

(34:59):
It ruins for sure, you can't get away from it.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
How does how has NASA responded to this?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
There's no response from NASA. NASA ninety nine percent of
the images they released. There's no caption, there's no explanation.
It's like a photographer taking pictures and you know, sticking
them in a drawer and never talking about them. That's
basically what they do. Occasionally, they'll have one of their
scientists come out and try to dismiss because if they

(35:28):
release something that kind of looks interesting, like the keyhole
formation that we'll talk about later, they actually had they
had a scientist come out and try to tell us
that this was nothing, you know, worth looking at.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
What is the size of what we are looking at here?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
The like I said, these most of these compartmentalized areas
are all basically the same size. They're twenty by twenty feet.
It's you know the size of a small barn.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Okay, so uh house, So what we're looking at here
is a quarter mile square?

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's pretty very large.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Now, if your listeners are interested in getting the book,
I go into great deal of detail about all these
structures and rate below these uh gridded the grid city
there I called the Martian Atlantis because they called Atlantis chaos.
Right below that, there's five more structures that are look

(36:34):
like destroyed foundations and rape below. That's five more that
are raped below that, and they're kind of repeated. I
had a a friend of mine come into the research
that we were doing, and he's been doing image analysis
and all kinds of things for years, and he measured
all these and those structures, which I document in the book.

(36:56):
They all have a common measurement, They're all the same length,
the same with and it's just repetitive. How could you
have just arbitrary structures that are look like foundations that
have a common measurement.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yea, and yeah, created by nature. That's the part that
it doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
It wouldn't. It's like when you go to home depot,
you have two by fours, you have four x eights.
Everything has a uniform size measurement because that's what you
build with. And he was suggesting that this is why
everything seems to be the same length and width and
the sides are the same size, is because that's what
the master builders would do. Everything would be uniform. When

(37:36):
you build a community of homes, they all kind of
look like they call them cookie cutter homes or whatever.
They're all the same size because that's what they're manufacturing.
So we're finding the same idea on Mars. Right below this,
you know Atlanta's Chaos area. With these there's there's actually
ten different structures that are in little compartments of five
each that have this this common measurement. It's it's bizarre.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Do you think that there's life on Mars right now?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
No, I don't. It's Mars is a dead planet. It's
been dead since the asteroid blew up. But it's a
great place to build things because there's hardly any wind,
there's no weather. It's it's just desolate. You build this
stuff and lasts forever unless somebody blows it up.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So you don't think life went underground?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, I mean it's nice to fantasize about life on
the ground, but how do you how do you prove that, Jimmy,
I mean, if it's underground, you can't photograph it, you
have no.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Well yeah, I'm not asking if there's photographic proof, but
I'm just wondering.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I don't. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Okay, so we've heard all of that.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I think they're all dead.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, we've heard these stories about battles on Mars and
secret space programs and we you know, super soldiers going
to Mars and fighting, you know whatever, and that the
life there is is underground or living in tubes and
so forth. I don't know anything as possible to me.

(39:08):
I'm not saying yes or no, because I just don't know.
But it's fun to it's fun to think about. If
you're a survivalist and the atmosphere gets blown away up top,
maybe you go underground. Now you mentioned Sitchen. You mentioned Sitchen.
Let's let's go back for a second. Sitchen did wonderful work.

(39:29):
And man, he's one person, George. I never interviewed Zachariah,
and I've interviewed everybody, and he's one that got away.
He's he's somebody that I wish, uh I would have
had the opportunity to not only interviewed, but just to
hang out and pick his brain. But when we consider

(39:54):
the Ananaki and we bring that into the equation, what
you're suggesting, it was the Anonachi that was on Mars
and then they're whoever was chasing them showed up and
that's what happened. Are we specifically talking about the Anonachy.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Or whoever the Anonachy were. I mean that that type
of scenario, which right, Okay, finds a lot of support
with Zacharia Sitchens talking about the Samarians and their ancient history. Yeah, yeah,
it makes sense because they talk about having you know,
outposts on Mars. They also used the moon as a

(40:34):
launching pad. You know, they'd go from Earth to the
Moon and then they use their spaceships to go from
the Moon to Mars. So but they really we really
don't hear much about what happened, what was the the
end game. We know a lot about the history of
the Anonachy, what they did, but as for the end
we really don't have a lot of data. There's a

(40:55):
lot of tablets and things that are you know, partial,
highly destroyed. So what I get a lot of my
history in this whole scenario about the occupation of Mars
is not from the Samerians or Zacharaia Sitchen, but from
Messo America, from the Maya. The I have a whole

(41:16):
chapter on.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Well, you mentioned these would have been newer structures, not
you know, one hundred million years old or whatever. And
Zachariah's timeline which matches up to just archaeology and anthropology
here about Homo sapien sapient appearing here on Earth between
two and three hundred thousand years ago, so that would

(41:38):
indicate a timeline for building on Mars around that time
and before, right, So that kind of lines up too
with what you're suggesting.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, well, doctor Brandenberg talks about this xenon one being
about a million years ago, and the Maya talk about
this is archaeologist dictating this, This is not George Haes.
They talk about what they call a Maya star war
which happened between the city of takaal Cozamel, those kind

(42:12):
of cities around there with Naranjo, and they had all
this conflict going on with what they called sixth Earth place,
which was Mars, and that was about a million years ago.
So you have Brandenburg talking about a million years ago,
the Maya about a million years ago, and a second
conflict that the Maya talk about with this star war

(42:32):
with Mars was about twenty two thousand years ago. So
that gives you these two different timeframes which I was
alluding to earlier about this idea that this culture came here,
built the culture, and then later on there was a conflict,
so there was another battle. So Mars has been the
victim of a lot of war. Of course, it's you know,
the god of war, you know mars Aris. So it's

(42:54):
pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, Brandenburg reached out to me last week. I've had
him on the show before. He's great, and he's got
some new stuff. So I'm gonna I'm gonna get him
back on the show. So not that you, I don't
want you to speak for him. But what's the timeline
for the xenon one nine? Does he present a timeline

(43:17):
for that? When that possibly? I mean, are they able
to put a timeline on those detonations?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Well, he talks about a few different time scenarios, but
one of them is about a million years.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Ago, right right, That's what I remember, right.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Right, Because according to Brandenburg, they detected high levels of
Xenon one twenty nine in the Utopia area that's where
they landed the Viking Lander landed in Utopia, and also
in the the Sedonia area where the famous face on
Mars is. So those two areas, so he thinks these

(43:57):
there's no evidence on the ground that they had any
major explosions, but these were above ground explosions, which would
account for what we see at Atlanta's chaos. You know,
it looks it looks like Nagasaki where an explosion above
the ground went off, blew up all of the surrounding
structures except the three that we see in the middle,
that one that looks like a Maya pyramid that goes up,

(44:17):
the step pyramid, and have the dome in the middle
and that barn looking things. Those three are the only
ones standing, but everything else is just flattened out. All
the roofs are just blown off.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, it does remind you of those photographs from Japan
and World War II, doesn't it. You know something, some
structures were standing and some most weren't. And you know
how who made that decision right about what was going
to stand and what was not? You what do you

(44:48):
think of We're going to be up against a break
so that in fifteen minutes, So this next fifteen minutes,
I want to spend some time on Sidonia itself today.
What is your take on the face?

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Well, the face on Mars is highly misunderstood. We don't
have time here to discuss. What's really going on with
the face on Mars is a very complex thing. You know,
NASA has constantly said that the face on Mars is
not a human face. It's not it's a bifurcated two

(45:24):
face edifice. It's got a humanoid face on one side,
a feline on the other, And despite what NASA says
and a lot of critics, every picture they've taken of
it has verified that I'm working on. I have like
five books ready to be published, a lot of books
with these geometric structures, like I have in this current

(45:45):
book with the Great Architects of Mars. But I also
another book which is totally dedicated. It's like thirteen chapters
on the Face on Mars, which goes into depth to
explain what the face represents and how it's been verified.
In every image that NASA's has taken, there's there's no
way to dispute it. And this is what you do

(46:07):
in science. You know, you do an experiment and then
you reproduce the experiment. Or if you take a picture
of you know, Jimmy Church, and then two years later
you take another picture of him, you know he's gonna
be basically the same, but you're gonna get older, Jimmy.
But the face on Mars stays the same.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
So you're still calling it. Okay, so you're calling it
a face, it's.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
A it's definitely it's definitely a face. And the problem
is it's a complicated seeing Messo American cultures, they're unlike
Western culture. In Greece, Rome, those Western cultures, everything was symmetrical,
you know, the human face, the body. Everything was beautiful,
you know, the human form. The Greeks when they did portraits,

(46:53):
everything was beautiful. Everything is symmetry. You have Egyptian art,
which is not really see they have frontality where they
always show the front and the head will be in profile.
But in New World cultures, American, Indian, Peruvian, Maya, Almic
they were very they were composite images, which is very

(47:18):
difficult for most people to even comprehend. The Maya did
two face, you know, split face at a jaguar on
one side, a human on the other, a dog on
one side, a different animal on the other sides, all this,
you know, duality, which is like crazy for most people.
And when NASA scientists were looking at the face on Mars,
they had no idea even you know, I've spoken to

(47:39):
members of the Society excuse me, the Society for Planetary
Cety Research when I was inducted with them, and none
of them ever even knew about this kind of artwork.
You know, Richard Hoagland was the first to discover that
the face on Mars was possibly a two faced structure.
He didn't even know about meso American art doing the
same thing. Feline, human, two faced. It's all over the place, American, Indian, Aztec, Maya,

(48:05):
Peruvian art. Peruvian is even more complex. But that's the
problem with discussing the face on Mars, because there's so
many things going on inside the face. Like the humanoid
side has a human eye. The feline side has a
serpent for an eye. It's not really an eye, it's
a serpent. Now, the Maya had a propensity to put

(48:26):
different symbols for eyes, you know, a mouth, a tongue,
a jaguar, and you know they'd stick an eye anywhere
which would look like another creature. So it's all this
very complex of symbolism that they used. The feline side
is a bearded jaguar. You know, they don't have lions
in meso America New World, so why would you have

(48:50):
a feline, but they have what they call the bearded jaguar. Now,
this jaguar side on the face on Mars is an
open wing back. I mean, you sound like you're probably
looking at me like I'm crazy.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Right now, it sounds bat shit crazy, but right there, No, no,
you're not You're not crazy, George, You're not crazy. I
am more blue.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Than all that.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Well, but before we go there, before we go there,
are you suggesting a Mayan Martian connection?

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Oh, most definitely, that's where the whole is a Maya
Star Wars. Everything we're finding Jimmy on Mars has a
messo American iconography. It's it's amazing, right from the the
the parrot that will show later, that's right out of
meso American mythology. That's the principal bird deity. Every the

(49:40):
face on Mars messo American, uh design. Everything we're finding.
The structures, and this is a weird thing about the
structures we're finding on Mars. They don't have. It's not
Roman structures that we're looking at. Most people think, oh,
we're going to go a plant and find you know,
you've seen this on Star Trek, you know, they go
to another planets like this Romanesque type skull.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's the best part. Yeah, I'm hoping for that.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
That's not what we're that's not what we're finding. There's
no Roman buildings on Mars. They all look like they
came right out of you know, mess all America.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I remember that episode of Star Trek in the original series. Yeah,
remember that and they had the Greek outfits and the
columns and yeah, that was that was a great episode.
What about the other structures around the face on Mars,
the pyramids and the geometry that is involved there, what
do you make of that? Is that imagination or are

(50:35):
we looking at something that artificial not natural?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Well, well, Hoblin and some of his early researchers that
he was working with, they all found all of this,
you know, nineteen point five alignments and everything, right, which
are it's very scientific to look at that, the fine alignments.
But most your general public, when you start showing them
alignments and things, you know, their eyes start the clipper
and they don't know what you're talking about. It's it's

(51:02):
a lot easier just to show them structure. Now. The
DNM pyramid which is below the face on Mars, that
has a lot of geometry. It's a five sided pentagonal formation, right,
That got a lot of attention early on, and again
when they took more you know, recent pictures of it
kind of like diminished because it has these high resolutes.
It's in really bad shape because I think it was

(51:23):
probably hit with a missile or something at one point,
because two of the sides are just blown up.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah. I always felt the five sided pyramid theory was
a stretch for me. You know, I squid my eyes,
I use my imagination. I wanted to be what it's
being suggested. That was a bit of a stretch the
geometry part.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
By the way, that episode was called who Mourns for Atlantis?
Or Adonnas? Who mourns for Adonna's star Trek? Right, Yeah,
I've got I've got the absolute best moderators here. They
keep me looking sharp. See. You know what I could
have done. I could have not posted that and just

(52:07):
read it and acted like I was some trecky genius.
You know, Well you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
You wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
No, no, no, I give credit where credit's due. But
the geometry part Hoagland, And I'm gonna be kind here
because Hogland did some really really good research. And what
I liked about Hogland's original research was his his ability

(52:40):
to just see things and think outside of the box
and just put a theory out there some of the
later stuff, you know, the five mile crystal towers and yeah, okay,
but the original research with the geometry and the nineteen
point five. I don't know about the nineteen point five

(53:00):
being accurate because of the parallax and what's involved with
the images, but the geometry does repeat though, whatever that
angle may be. And I thought that that research was
pretty exciting that that holglind laid out there. I don't
know what the structures are, but the geometry part of
it was very, very compelling to me.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, that was one of his great assets there. But
if the listeners out there decide to take a look
at my book, you'll find that there's so much more
evidence beyond Sedonia in the Face on Mars and the
DNM pyramid. You know, like the Face on Mars, which
is so complicated you can't do it in a you know,

(53:45):
a SoundBite, the dNaM pyramid is very similar. It's it
might have been a nice, pristine five pointed pyramid at
one time, but you know it was it has a
lot of damage, and you know it's a pentagonal formation. Interestingly,
you know, you hear things about as above so below

(54:06):
where things are repeated on Mars that we're doing here
on Earth. You know, our Pentagon was also destroyed on
one side, so that might be a little you know,
repeating history there.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Yeah, and what I was referring to. For me, when
it comes to that specific pyramid, when you have a
five sided pyramid or no, a five sided claim of
something like that, I want something a little more definitive.

(54:39):
That doesn't mean that it's not definitive. Now I've got uh,
this is this is one of the images for me
that I've always felt. Let me pull this up, Let
me pull this up. I'm gonna I have to slap
this in your folders. Just just stay with me here,

(55:00):
all right, all right, everybody, Yeah, yeah, it's gonna pop up.
It's gonna pop up. Okay. So when when I talked
this time seeing this, oh you've seen this a million times?
But uh, what for me? Okay, now, why didn't that

(55:31):
uh interesting? Okay, hold on for a second. For some reason,
this didn't. This didn't say.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
While we're waiting, I'll entertain your your listeners with an
interesting story. Yeah, you were talking about our track with that,
you know, the romanesque type structures in that one episode. Well,
if I was shocked myself because I remember watching Lost
in Space as a child. Uh, probably the best episodes

(56:03):
of Lost in Space were the first season, which they
were all in black and white before they went color.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Well, in one of the episodes when they land on
this planet in the beginning of the season the first season,
they go and they wander into this cave and they
find all of these Samerian type sculptures, which I was
going to shock that.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, is that about? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Right, have you ever seen that? One?

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I have?

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I have, I'm that's pretty bizarre. I'm looking at speaking
about like Zachariah Sitching and stuff, and here they're finding
all these Samerian tablets, and well, it's kind of.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Weird with researchers like you and I in this audience
and stuff for so acclimated. You know, we have got
a very smart audience, right, and and we have access
to so much stuff now where I am watching a
movie or a TVs series, old or new, it doesn't matter.

(57:02):
But I pick up on stuff all the time now.
And I hear stuff you know that's written into the screenplay,
which tells me a couple of things that the screenwriters
and the producers that are doing the writing and the
creation of this stuff. Listen to this show, right, you
know what I mean. They're watching ancient Aliens. They've read Zachariah,

(57:27):
they've checked your stuff out, and they have a pretty
solid foundation. And what is here? And I catch it
all the time now and I really dig it. All right,
So here's the image. You're ready, You're ready, I'm ready.
There it is right there, all right, yeah, yeah, all right.

(57:48):
So there's the five sided pyramid right there, right, yeah,
it's pretty interesting. And so that's what I'm talking about here.
When we look at Sedonia and we look at this
specific image, I think that's where this just looks planned

(58:09):
to me. This doesn't look natural, it doesn't. I would
have liked the five sided pyramid to be more five sided.
And you are I mean, uh, the same, I should say,
on the sides. But you're right though, one of the
two of the sides are completely collapsed. And with the

(58:30):
newer high reds images you can see uh where uh
you know, whatever it is has has collapsed and and
and fallen down. But this is this looks planned to me.
This just looks it just doesn't look right.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah. Well, and there's also such a diversity in the
shapes they just normally. I mean, I'm not a geologist.
I have to keep reminding the audience I'm an artist.
But looking at aerial photographs of formations, and you know
places out in the Midwest in America, desolate areas, all
of the formations are very similar. You know, they're all

(59:12):
eroded and it's the same kind of structure there. Nothing's
got any straight lines because everything's so weathered. But this,
there's so many diverse types of shapes. It's just that
you know, without even looking at the face or the
dn M, it's just these are weird looking things. Why
especially you know what they call the bascion there that

(59:34):
how do you have a flat top thing like that
out in the middle of nowhere right next to that
which I think Parlato called that thing on the right
the keyhole, which has nothing to do with the other
key Yeah, but because it kind of looks like they're
totally opposite structures, I mean, just zooming in on those,
it's like, how do you, as a geologist, explain having

(59:56):
a flat top structure next to that other thing that's
all erratic and got high points and low points and weird.
It's just strange.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah, when we look at any of the images that
have been put out there of this area, they all
look the same. It's not like that. The bastion area
looks just like it does and other images from NASA.

(01:00:27):
Next to the keyhole, the five sided pyramid has always
looked like a starfish to me, you know that kind
of a lot of people called it, Oh do they really?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of the original researchers that it
looked like a starfish.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah. Yeah, I've always felt that too as well. But
we don't know until we get there, you know. And
and that's we're gonna take a break right here. But
let me ask you this, why is it? It's like
the most frustrating thing there is. Why is it that

(01:01:03):
NASA just won't go where the action is? This is
so frustrating, you know, I don't get it. Go where
the snow and ice is. If you say there's snow
and ice and water right frozen water on Mars Land there,
you know what, it doesn't make any sense. Go to

(01:01:26):
Sedonia Land, put a rover there. The crater that Perseverance
is in right now, and the Gale crater and Curiosity,
which Curiosity was supposed to last for what three months?
Then six months, and now it's you know, it's going
on what twenty five years?

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Ye? Yeah, yeah, but we're doing very well. They were
very well made. Yes, yeah, doing good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Yep, absolutely, But why don't we go where the action is?
Isn't that frustrating?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Well? Everything about NASA can be frustrating. Uh, you know
the current mission, it's the little rovers going around. It's
grinding and it's taking samples and it's putting them in
little capsules and then dropping them on the ground, leaving
them for a future mission to come a collect them.
It's like, whoo, who came up with this idea? When

(01:02:21):
I first saw this mission, I was like what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I can't I can't say who or what. I would
almost show you on my phone the email that I
got today from NASA. Uh, but too many people will
zoom in and and but anyway, I got an invitation
to go to NASA JPO and get get a tour.

(01:02:45):
They're going to allow me to ask questions and walk
around in point. So the invitation just came in today,
So I'm gonna do it. It's going to be soon.
And I promised NASA that I wouldn't embarrass anybody. I'm
not out to do that. But you know, yeah, just

(01:03:06):
came in today.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
So we'll seek don't drink any of the beverages.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, it's right up the road, you know, it's right here.
But I'm pretty excited about that. I have been a
little reticent to do it over the years, only because
this community. How do I say, I need to play

(01:03:31):
both sides of the fence, all right, I need to
represent the community, and I will always do that. I'm
pissed off, and I will continue to fight for this community.
But I have to keep access to things like NASA there.
I can't close that door. That's not cool. And so

(01:03:54):
I have to play both sides of the fence. And
and and that's that. So I don't need this community going.
I knew Jimmy was one of them. I knew it.
You know, I can't have that happen, all right, Jimmy,
I'm out of here. Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly, no, you know,
but I can't turn down an opportunity like that. And

(01:04:14):
I'm going to go and do it, and I'm going
to see what's going on. And like I said, I
promise not to embarrass anybody. I'm not going to go
and I'm not gonna, you know, say things. I'm not
going to do that, but I will observe. I'll ask questions.
I'm gonna ask about aliens, you know I am. I'm
not going to go to nasen go and not bring

(01:04:36):
up ET in the search for ET when when I
get out there, I don't know if I I think
I'm going to put off the tour until after three
I Atlas, which is going to show up. But that's
a Halloween right October twenty nine thirty if that's going
to come around from the backside of the sun and

(01:04:59):
NASA's to make all of those observations. So I think
that's after that is a good time to go out
there because I can ask about three I at list
and see what they have to say there. Going out
before that before three I at.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Lish That makes sense, That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, I'm only gonna do it once. They won't ask
me about because second time I guarantee that. But but yeah,
I think I'm gonna put that off until.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Uh well that's a great opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. So
let's take our break. George, you stay right there. What
a fantastic conversation. We've got some more images and everything else.
Right after the break. Our guest tonight, George Hass. We
are discussing. Oh. By the way, you can get all
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Welcome back Fade to Black. I am your host, Jimmy Church. Tonight,
George Hasses here and we are discussing what is on Mars.
He's got three books out. His newest one is called
The Great Architects of Mars, and it's a great book
and I have gone through it. The links for everything

(01:10:09):
are below, and go and check it out. He presents
a really, really, really good case for what is going
on up there. And we've got some more images too
as well, to go over. I have a meteorite right here,
right I've got a few, but I keep this one

(01:10:31):
here in the studio right here. And one of the
things that I like to discuss George is the ideas
of panspermia. But the reasons for that is what we
have found on Benu and the amino acids that make

(01:10:52):
up and the proteins that make up RNA and DNA
have been collected. It's amazing and you brought this up
earlier that we have the technology to do that, right,
to go out to an asteroid, collect stuff and bring
it back. I don't know when we're going to get
this stuff back from Mars. They're talking about twenty thirty

(01:11:13):
years before we got and collected and bring that stuff back,
But we have I believe, I think that we have
already collected evidence of life on Mars. And NASA clearly
knows that, not only through meteorite samples that are here

(01:11:35):
on Earth, but what has been detected on Mars. And
we have done pretty extensive experiments on the surface of
Mars that suggest that. And every time I just want
your opinion on this, every time that conversation pops up
they found something, then it's immediately pooh pooed and reverse

(01:12:00):
is it wouldn't NASA benefit from life on Mars, and
you know, their budget would go through the roof, And
it seems like it should be the opposite instead of
them fighting it, don't you think.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Well, finding any evidence of past life, current life, any
type of life on Mars is very controversial worldwide, and
NASA is well aware of that. And even if they
come out next week and say they found microbial life
on Mars, the detractors will say, well, we've sent so

(01:12:37):
many rovers there, Russia had missions, they crashed, who knows
how we've contaminated the planet. Of course we're going to
find microbial life because we've contaminated the planet. So no
matter what they do, it's going to be like you said,
poo pood, so it'll be immediately said that we've done it.
We put it there, you know, we brought you know,

(01:12:58):
they found evidence of you know, all kinds of things
living outside the space shuttles you know, that are mind
boggling that they could survive out and like supposedly you know,
the vast void of space. So I think just microbial
life whenever that's come to light that they've found it
or they have evidence of it, and they've kind of

(01:13:19):
like going around, you know, trying to mention that they
found it without saying they found it for a long
time now, and I just think that once they do that,
that'll be the response. And it's even with finding evidence
of structures there, there's always geologists that will come out
and try to explain it. And even when we go there,

(01:13:43):
it's going to be so scrutinized by you know, NASA's
of course going to be supervising any type of Even
when Elon Musk go's there, he's not going to pick
up a sculpture and say, hey, look we got it
right here. It's going to be allowed to do that,
because that's all part of the plan. Don't let him
go to Mars. But he's got to follow their rules

(01:14:04):
and regulations there. Doesn't look very promising, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
And one of the one of the things that I'm
hopeful for, but I can just see it not happening,
is live streaming with private citizens on the surface of Mars.
And what if somebody is live streaming and they look

(01:14:30):
down and they see an object and they pick up,
you know, a coke can or say, you know what
I mean, some just some's not a coke can that
but but you know what I'm saying, just picking up
some object, going WHOA check this out. I'm not so
sure that that would make it to Earth. The live

(01:14:51):
stream the feet will get cut.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Yeah, no, no cell phones.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Allowed, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly, all right, let me pull
up this image here, Uh, this is the parrot, and uh,
a very fascinating image. You know what I'm going to see?
Let me pull up another version of this. Go ahead

(01:15:16):
and tell everybody what we're looking at, and then I'll
pull up something that we can zoom in on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
This is the famous, the famous parrot geoglyph on Mars.
This is in the RG Basin area of Mars, which
is directly below Sidonia if you look at a one
of those flattened maps of Mars, so this is basically
right below Sidonia. And this parrot from the beat to
the tail is about a mile long. This is huge.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Okay, I'm pulling up now something bigger we have. I've
seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
I sent you a couple of these.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
No, no, no, what that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
pull up this other image now. But you have in
your book, You've got this outlined with the image of
the parrot outlined, and it's a little bit easier to
look at. But looking at this we have and I'll

(01:16:20):
be able to put my pointer on it. So let me, uh,
let me do this. This will just happened really really fast,
and then we'll pull up what it is for you
that makes this a parrot. So I've got it here

(01:16:46):
there it is okay, So now I can zoom in. Okay,
so go ahead and take me through this now for everybody.
This is the head of the parrot here right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
If if you go on the left side, the western side,
that's the head with the beak. There's the the mandible.
It's got the top beak, the bottom jaw. You can
actually see a tongue formation inside. There's the eye, that
little dark spot up the top there, it's kind of
like a lazy eye. And that high light white area
that's the part of the neck. And then it goes

(01:17:23):
into this large mound in the center, which is the body,
which is kind of like serrated on the bottom. Below
the body, that white area that's the leg joint that
goes down with some claws. They're kind of that's all
silt underneath that that all that gray area there, So
part of the toes are covered with silt. So now

(01:17:49):
a group of three to four five veterinarians have looked
at this jimmy and they've found twenty two points of
anatomical correctness. Now, if you look at like a you know,
people want to talk about this is just like looking
at clouds. You know, you're seeing things in nature and

(01:18:10):
rocks paradelia. When you look at formations like that, they
have no more than three or four points of anatomical correctness.
Usually it's a silhouette. You might see an eye and
nose shape or chin. That's about it. It might look
vaguely like a profile of a face. This has twenty
two points of anatomical correctness, which goes, you know, all

(01:18:32):
through the body, the neck, the eye, the jaw, the legs.
That's got two claws, one at the top.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
The parrot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Basically, if you zoom out again, the parrot's basically this
is a dead parrot. As the monty python would say,
I think you were doing some work with monty python
putting up. Yes, this is what they'd call. This is
a dead parrot. What you got is the parrot. He's
on the ground, he's got his wing up those little
linear things at the top, those feather fritz they call,

(01:19:02):
And there's a lot of detail in the feathers above that.
His wing is above him like this, and his one call.
I guess it's like this. Beyond that mound area, there's
another foot that's up in the air. So he's been,
he's been, he's dead, he's laying on the ground. And
if you go back to his beak, if he could, Jimmy, sorry,

(01:19:24):
I didn't get you any more images of this, but
this is all. And bring that down that linear thing there,
that's a dart. You see the dart sticking out of
the beak. Here that right there that goes all the
way down into the beak. So we have a dart
sticking out of its beak, a feathered type of dart. Now,
Bill and I William William Saunders, he was my co

(01:19:48):
author with my first two books. We worked on this.
We did two science papers that were published in science
journals about this parrot. And the first paper we did
was in I think twenty eleven. With the earlier images,
we were able to assess eighteen points of anatomical correctness.
We now have this beautiful Mars Global or Mars Reconnaissance

(01:20:11):
orbiter image showing and we've now we're able to verify
twenty two points. And these were all verified by various veterinarians,
so we sent these images out so they could all
verify this. We also had William Saunders, who's a geomorphologist
and a friend of ours, Michael Dale, who's a geologist.

(01:20:32):
He looked at these they all verified these points of
anatomical correctness in this formation. And we spoke earlier about
a lot of the things we're finding on Mars that
seemed to be connected to meso America. What we're thinking is,
this is the principal bird deity of the Maya right
out of the Maya Popol Vu, which is the Maya
Book of Creation basically, and in the Maya Creation story

(01:20:56):
you had the hero twins and we also had this
character called the principal bird deity. Now, the principal bird
deity was a parrot or a McCall. He also has
a celestial name. He's called seven McCall, which is he's
represented in the heavens by the seven stars of the
Big Dipper. Okay, Now, in the mythology story seven McCall

(01:21:22):
or the principal bird deity, this parrot McCall, he steals
the sun during the creation mythology story, and he takes
it away and hides it and puts it in the box,
and the the hero twins are sent out to find
the parrot and retrieve the sun. To get the sun
back and they find him up at the top of
the world tree. Now, the world tree in the Maya

(01:21:44):
mythology is very important. It's at the center of the earth.
It's this big tree. So we had the principal bird
deity sitting at the top of the tree. So the
hero twins, the two brothers, they see him and they
get their blow darts out and they shoot him and
they hit him in the they hit him in the cheek,
the jaw, and they kill him and he falls down
to earth dead. And we think this represents this image.

(01:22:08):
Here represents this pictograph, this geological formation. Uh is a
image of the principal bird deity when he was shot
down from the world tree.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Now, and I'm gonna uh move my cursor over. So
this is the front, top part of the beak. This
is the lower part of the beak. This is the tongue.
In the middle, this is the dart. You can see
the eye. And when we back out, that's the belly
those that's a wing. This is a wing, and that's

(01:22:40):
the leg and the tail feathers all the way back
here and and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Then that's the lower the in the thes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Yeah, and so when you look at George's uh, comparison
and work that he's done in the book with this,
it's pretty convincing. It's the proportions of everything and how
they line up. That's the part for me that's very fascinating.

(01:23:13):
But then you have the people that are going to go, Okay,
that's paradolia and this is evidence of that. Okay, that's
always a good argument, and I'll tell you why not
in this case, but I'll tell you why it's a
good argument. When we are born, the first thing that

(01:23:34):
we do is we look at our mother's face, maybe
our dad, but it's usually the moms. And your DNA
is starting programming at that point. Your brain is programming
at that point to recognize the human face and pick
it out anywhere. Okay, that's it, and so that is

(01:23:56):
just part of who we are as humans. So to
look into nature. If you're looking into the forest and
you're looking through the trees and you see something that
looks like a face, of course you are going to
see that because that's part of our programming. So, yeah,
it's paradolia evidence in nature and doing. Yes, it's part

(01:24:16):
of what we do. But then there's the other part
of it that isn't paradolia. And I have a hard
time agreeing with skeptics that want to point that out
every single time because in this case, and I'll tell
you why. When you look at this, there's nothing else

(01:24:38):
in the surrounding geography that is similar to what is
going on in the middle here. And that's that's the
thing that just looks intentional to me. This is different
than everything else than is what is here naturally in
the surrounding area. This looks like a parrot to me.

(01:24:58):
It just does. It's a very very very strange and
of what appears to be a deliberate structure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Oh yeah, but this whole idea of paradolia, this all
started by an article in the old Skeptical Inquirer yep,
and back in the nineteen nineties, and it was all
basically focused about destroying any interest in the face on Mars,
Like you were saying, Oh, we're born with this whole

(01:25:32):
natural instinct to look for faces in nature and around us. Well,
this author that put this article out in Skeptical Inquirer,
he was the one that coined this word paradolia. And
he got the word actually from a journal of mental
scientists or mental science. I'm sorry. The Journal of Mental
Science from eighteen sixty eight, and the article talked about

(01:25:56):
this is a mental disturbance that people had. They would
see faces everywhere in the walls and around them, and
they were mentally disturbed. These were patients, they had psychological problems,
and this whole idea of seeing faces, this is where
this word comes from. But comparing this idea of paradolia

(01:26:17):
to what we're seeing here on Mars is totally ridiculous.
The parrot, like I said earlier, if you look at clouds,
you see a cloud that kind of looks like your
Grandma Millie's dog. It's basically just an outline, it's a contour.
You might see some ears or something very very vague.
This parrot has so much detail it's amazing. Like we said,

(01:26:41):
has verified twenty two points of anatomical correctness, which goes
way beyond anything that's even logical. So not only do
we have this parrot pictograph with all of these this
detail with the tail and legs and the other claw,
the beak and the head and everything above this parrot,
which I'm sure Jimmy has looked at in the book,

(01:27:04):
we have a whole area above the parrot that has
all these ruins and other structures going on. So there's
now this the whole idea of having pictographs like the
face on Mars, this parrot. This idea is like he
put up this picture of Sedonia. Let's say you're a
spacefaring culture. You're flying over, you have satellites taking pictures
of the planet. You the first thing you'll recognize is that,

(01:27:26):
oh there's a face. So the face basically draws you
in and says, hey, there's a complex here. So you
come down, you find all these other things, the DNM pyramid,
the city. So the face is kind of like a
marker saying, hey, look you here. The parrot is the
same thing. You see the parrot, you look closer, you
see all these other structures in the area. So that's

(01:27:48):
just the calling card, as Richard Hogland called the face
on Mars, like a calling card to get your attention.
And what we talk about in the book is all
these other structures in these little complexes around the planet
all have the same idea. A lot of times they'll
use a pictographic formation to get your attention and say
this is where the city is. And they were kind

(01:28:09):
of like markers that the culture that was living there,
that's what they used to identify where they were.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
It reminds me so much of the intention behind Naska.
You know, it's it's it's it's very similar for me.
You know, why is Naska there? Well, and you look
at the different especially well, Yeah, the pictographs and the
geoglyphs on the Nasca planes are one thing. But on

(01:28:41):
the side of one of the hills there they have
and when you take the airplane up and you're flying
around the pilots, the pilots go, okay, look to the
left and there is the astronaut waving at you. That's
what they say, right. They don't say there's a being
on the side of the zil there's a human or

(01:29:02):
a boy or no, they call it the astronaut. Now,
why would this be happening on the side of the
hill that you can only see from above? Right, And
it's kind of the same intention, I would say with
the face on Mars you only see it from above.

(01:29:23):
And there's a few things like that on Earth. The Candelabra,
which also happens to be in Peru, which is on
the side of a mountain. That thing is huge. They
don't know how old it is. I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
That points to the Nascal lines if you follow it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
No, it actually points to the Southern Cross in the sky. Yeah,
points to the Southern Cross that's out in the ocean,
the Pacific Ocean near Parrakas. So you have to head
out on a boat. But you do, and you come

(01:30:01):
around the peninsula there and this is very Parocas. You know,
it's desert, you know, it's crazy. Pracice itself is a
little seaside fishing community. It's beautiful. But outside of Parracas, man,
you know what, And I'm gonna tell you this, this,
this is the truth. I've got pictures of this. I

(01:30:22):
made a video too. When you go into the desert
of Paracas, there's two things that happen there. One it's
void of anything human. Okay, So no power lines, no structures,

(01:30:43):
no buildings, no nothing. It's just desert. Right as far
as the Aekns that you will see nothing man made
with with the mountain. And you know what, it's red, Okay,
it's red. And so I stood out there, George, I'm
not making this up at I stood out there and

(01:31:03):
I went, well, this is where the fake NASA images
are coming from right here, right here. Man. I'm telling you,
I'm telling you, you can't tell the difference. So I
shot a video. I went out there. The videos online,
it's out there. But I went out there and I
shot this video and I go, okay, let me change cameras. Okay,

(01:31:28):
we just landed on Mars. Check this out. You can
breathe cut and you know, and I posted that video
because you can't tell when you look at the back,
it's red and there's nothing man made. It's it's absolutely incredible.
So but but my point being, if you go back

(01:31:51):
to the candle, that's where this candelabbry is, right, So
population back, this is where all the elongated skill have
been found, right and the procus skulls, and you know,
that's remarkable. But you go out into the ocean there
and you round the corner, and then on the side
of this mountain is this giant candelabra. It's got the

(01:32:16):
flames of the candles on the top. It's three, it's
three and I don't know how big it is, quarter
mile tall, quarter mile wide, freaking ginormous. And now it's like, well,
who is that for? It's for you know, it's for
you know what I mean, observation this way, it's not

(01:32:40):
you can only see it from the ocean from a
very specific angle, but from the sky you would see
this giant candlelabera. So who is that for? That's my question.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Yeah, Well, a lot of cultures have built these large
geoglyphic formations that you can only see from above, and
you know they're communicating either with the gods or some
spacefaring culture. It's that simple. And we're finding the same thing.
It's like a family tradition, you know, you build geoglyphs, pictographs,

(01:33:13):
you communicate with above gets their attention. This is where
our complex is, this is where our settlement is, and
we're finding the same thing on Mars.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Now let's get into this next image. This is pretty
crazy actually, Okay, so what are we seeing here?

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
This is from Lviatmontes. This is on Mars. This is
what they call the Keyhole formation. This is an amazing formation.
It's got exquisite geometry. This was found by a colleague
of mine, greg Orme. He's a member of the Society
for Planetary Seti Research. He found this back in twenty

(01:33:51):
and thirteen, I believe. And there's a lot of images
of this. They've got famous images of this and Mars
Global Surveyor images. This is a Mars reconnaissance high rise image.
The image on the right is a that's from Japan.
That's a that's a Kufu Toom, a kufon toum. It's

(01:34:12):
almost identical. It's pretty scary.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
It's amazing. And looking at the craters and the formations
on Mars on the left, it's it's also quite large,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Oh yeah, the form it's it's it's almost a mile.
It's it's huge. Everything we'refining on Mars. And you know,
starting with the face on Mars. The face on Mars
is like a mile and a half from the top
of the head to the chin. The parrot is a
mile across. Everything's big on Mars. You know, less gravity,
you could build big stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
But how I know that the atmosphere has been blown away?
All right? At one point that was an atmosphere. We
know that now it's considered a dead planet and the
core is not moving, and and everything that we have
here is because our planet is active and moving, so

(01:35:07):
we have all of that. Mars is is void of that.
But how much atmosphere is there, and how easy would
it be for us to build another atmosphere and get
oxygen going again and nitrogen and everything else that we

(01:35:28):
would need.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
Again, I'm not a scientist. I wouldn't even begin to
suggest how we could do that. But these structures that
we're finding here on Mars, like this keyhole and all
of these structures, I believe these were arcologies. These were
structured that's where the culture was living inside of these things.

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They didn't need to breathe, they had apparatuses or whatever
they're Keep in mind, these were built as an outposts.
This was they were gatekeepers. They were out there to protect.
The first couple chapters of the book, I have a
lot of these star shaped formations that are like star
forards like we have here on Earth, which are very militaristic.

(01:36:12):
They're defensive. So we're finding a lot of defensive type
structures on Mars. So that's what these were used for.
You don't have to have an atmosphere because these were
built as defensive complexes to protect the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
No, yeah, yeah, I totally get that. It's just for
that to be a goal, you know, for people talking
about that often wonder nature doing that on its own
takes a very long time. And we're talking about you know,
planning on and so many are well, it's easier than
you think. Right, I'm not so fast. I'm not so sure.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
And there was also I'm trying to think. I think
it was the movie with Val Kilmer. I could be wrong,
but this has been postulated a lot out there that
around your ankle, if you're standing on Mars, around your ankle,
there is breathable oxygen in that. You know, that four

(01:37:08):
inch layer off the surface of Mars. Now would you
lay down, Well, you probably could lay down and survive
if you ran out of oxygen. But it's also suggested
to me that there is oxygen there for us to
have access to that is all over the planet, which

(01:37:29):
is what a previous civilization may have done.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Right, Sure, I'm sure there's all types of technologies that
you can get the oxygen out of the atmosphere or
create your own oxygen. I don't know how that would
be done. I'd rather walk around in a spacesuit than
I'd feel a little bit more secure, you know, you know,

(01:37:52):
surviving on you know, ankle height. Oxygen is pretty tough.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Well you could suck it up though, see you suck
it up with the vacuum cleaner. Or and if that's
the case, what would be in the subsurface? If the
oxygen is collecting there in the surface of Mars, then
what what are in the lava tubes? Is there is
there more oxygen there? That's that's my question. And oh yeah,

(01:38:17):
and also if there's if there's snow, if there's ice,
then there's all kinds of oxygen. Again, why isn't NASA
doing just that? Is it water ice or is it
dry ice? No, I'm saying I know they're not giving
us any answers here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Now, Well, I know there's evidence that there's you know,
water under the surface, you know, three or four inches down,
there's there's supposed to be water in a lot of areas.
You see images of these mounds that have they call
them seeps of very dark watery areas of the mounds
that seem to be dripping with water coming out of

(01:38:59):
the surface. It basically different levels of the terrain. So
there's a lot of liquid water on the planet. We
don't know how long it's going to survive outside the ground,
but I'm sure when we go there, we're going to
be able to access all of that produce our own oxygen.
I don't know if they're going to be able to
do some type of greenhouse effect. There's a lot of

(01:39:22):
talk about they'd be able to do that to Mars,
but you know, well, I'd like them to go there
to look at the face and the parrot and the
Atlanta's chaos area. Take a look at the keyhole. This
stuff would give us a lot more. There's probably all
kinds of technology inside these archologies. We have to be

(01:39:44):
something surviving and from the libraries, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Yeah, the Atlantis chaos area, that is just why we
don't put a probe down in the middle of that.
We have the little helicopter what was that thing called?
I can't even remember. I'm sure it's still flying, right, It's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
A little helicopter that was flying. And you know that's
also a bizarre thing.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
To have the helicopter work, you got to have some
type of I would I mean, I'm not a scientist,
but you'd have to have some kind of atmosphere to
keep that thing going. I mean, you can't just have
a helicopter going in a vacuum.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
About and I know you remember this. It was probably
about five years ago, maybe six, where these images were
published from NASA showing apparent seepage of something liquid appearing
on Mars and draining down and the moisture was there,

(01:40:45):
and they had before and after and then after after, right,
so before nothing there, it's present, and then now it's
gone again. And in some of those cases it was
happening during the Martian Night, right all right? So that well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Think those were they were showing the seasonal seepage, which
in the in the summer, warmer climate, you you'd see
the seepage and then in the colder you wouldn't see anything, right, right,
I think were more seasonal. Yeah, okay, there's there's seepages everywhere.
There's so many pictures and examples of that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
I'll say it one more time. Put a probe there.
I don't you know, I don't you know the Gale crater,
which is fascinating. Yeah, okay, all right, put a probe
where the water is. Tell us you know, if there's
going to be any evidence of anything there, first off
of water, but of life or anything that could be

(01:41:42):
surviving now now with the radiation, is anything surviving on
the surface. Well, yeah, life has a way to survive.
We have you brought up a point. And this is
why the skeptics I don't want to hear the bullshit
coming from them. When on Russians on Russia's on Russia's

(01:42:03):
space station, they collected fungus growing on the outside of
that space station. Yeah, you brought it up early. Yeah.
Now wait a minute. In the radiation, vacuum, cold, hot, heat,
extreme everything of space, something's growing on the outside of

(01:42:26):
that spaceship. So you want to tell me that nothing
can survive on the surface of Mars because of the
radiation and everything else, that it would have to be
subsort No, no, no, no, no, that is that's simply
not true. There's organic materials all over in the vacuum
of space. That's it. It's been proven then that is

(01:42:47):
scientific fact. So go where the water is on Mars
and see what is surviving there. We have stuff here
on Earth, as you know, deep in the ocean no sunlight,
right that that eat sulfuric acid and survives on sulfuric acid.
That's its diet, right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
Stuff up. Yeah, Well, the whole idea of the seepages,
you know, which is they're now saying is water or
some type of water. Uh, you know, brind water, a
lot of salt. For a long time, Uh, NASA would
never even admit it was any kind of liquid. They said,
a lot of these pictures of showing seepage, Oh that
was a little rock that went down the mountain that

(01:43:32):
brought up that showed darker surface. They'd make up. They
will make up so many bizarre stories about how these
things are created. You know, it's it's usually supposed to
be the Okham razor, you know, the simplest explanation, but
you know they run from that. You know, it's like
how complicated can we make it? And then it's not

(01:43:56):
anything to look at.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
I have found and others have found, and you can
look at. You can find it out there, and in
most cases NASA has left this stuff up on their website.
But there is stuff flying in the sky. You can
see that stuff all over. Now you say that there's
not life there, Okay, there may not be, but somebody

(01:44:22):
is flying stuff in the atmosphere there, whether it's et
with a probe, Russia, US or whatever. But there have
been UFOs. I'm going to say, you have unidentified flying
objects in the skies of Mars where there shouldn't be
anything in the skies.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
Yeah, I have seen some of those, and there are
a few that are convincing because a lot of times
when the rover and these are pictures I think you're
talking about where that were copied from the rover in
the distance, you see these little things flying around. Some
of them may be specs on the camera, I'll give
them that, but there are there's a few that I've
seen where that because the camera goes around and it

(01:45:03):
takes pictures, you know, from where it was, so you
get to see if there's this rock that looks like
a rock, they get you get to see like five
different angles of the rock. So with these pictures of
these orbs that you're seeing, uh, there's a couple of
those that show as the cameras moving on, you can
still see it, and it's not because if it was
on the left side of the camera and then you're

(01:45:24):
seeing the rock over here, it would be where it's
actually right where it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Was in the same position. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
But maybe a little further because it's moving, but it's
not a speck on the And then that you don't
see that on the lens when it's taking more pictures,
so it looks more like there's something in the sky
that looks like it's some type of orb flying around
as opposed to just a particle on there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Also seen very strange lights in the background on the
surface of Mars, beams of light that it could be.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
I would like it to be something that's, you know,
lighting itself. That would be self illuminating, but it also
could be something metallic that's reflecting sunlight, which is also
very very interesting. But we don't hear on Earth. If
you're walking around in a place void of human stuff,

(01:46:25):
you're going you don't see the sun reflecting off of
natural things like that. It's going to be something human
made that's reflecting it. Whatever it is, could be something small,
something big, but it's going to be something shiny that's
manufactured that's reflecting the light. And I've seen multiple images
like that on Mars, which it would indicate something artificial

(01:46:49):
that's sitting out there that's reflecting sunlight or maybe self illuminated.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Well, that's the other thing with a lot of these
aerial photographs of the surface of Mars, A lot of
these so called mounds that look like you know, pyramidal formations.
They're very reflective, they're very bright, like the angles, very
highly reflective. And if it was just a regular rock,
I don't understand how you'd have this high albedo going on.

(01:47:17):
So there's a lot of things on the surface that
appear to be you know, they're not rocks. They may
be metallic. That same problem we have with the face
on Mars, that it may not be just a regular
geological formation that's carved. It may be metal because it's
very reflective, which is also strange.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Before we wrap the show, I want to go back
to this image for a couple of reasons. How these
white lines that are here actually let me see if no,
I don't have it up. These white lines on the
left everybody is Mars, on the right of Saudi Arabia,
just showing the similarities between the two, but on the

(01:47:59):
left Atlanta's chaos. How much uh photography has NASA done
on this area?

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
Unfortunately, this is one picture, but this is a Mars
reconnaissance high resolution image. This is a this is as
best as it gets. This is like you, like I said,
you can focus and zoom down on something the size
of a Volkswagen. So this is really great resolution. We
only have the one image of this, that's it. But

(01:48:32):
like I said, this is a high resolution image, so
you know what you see is what you get here.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Yeah, I'm looking uh man, that is creasy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
It would it would be really nice if they said, oh,
this is interesting, let's go take another high resolution image,
you know, so we can verify, you know, right, because
you know in science you want to verify what. We
can't verify anything here because this is all we got.
We got one image.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
I'm looking at the original surveyor image here. Wow, that's crazy.
It's on a plateau. That's that's pretty nuts. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Are you accessing the original imag here?

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Yeah, which is sixty kilometers So what you're looking at
here that's about ten kilometers wide. This area, I'm looking
at a sixty kilometer wide image of the entire plateau.

(01:49:37):
And then down on the lower I'm going to say
the south if it's north and south right, but the
lower southwest area is where this image is. I'm looking
at it here. That's pretty nuts, man. It is what
it is. It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
And below this that's where those other foundations are that
we talked about. They're in the book. The other little
areas that show five mounds, and then below that or
another five that have the common measurements and stuff. So
this whole area, you not only have this gritted complex
here of the Atlantis chaos as we call it, but

(01:50:16):
below that there's even more structures. So it's really mind boggling.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Yeah, there looks there appears to be a second area. Yeah,
I agree with that. Home on for a second. I
might be able to actually pull this up.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
I'm sorry I didn't send you more images early.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Oh that's fine, that's fine. We've got so much to
do here.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
But there's one way you can see these other images
is to get the book.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Yeah, yeah, get the book. I just wanted to see
the original reconnaissance image. It's right there, you can see it,
and I saw it on Wikipedia, so I went right
there to the NASA reconnaissance page. Yeah, that's pretty incredible, man.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
I provide the links and addresses to all the images
in the book, so the listeners the viewers out there
can go check all this stuff out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Now I'm going to pull this down and I'm going
to bust out this one more time because what I'm
wondering about here is the white line portion of this.

(01:51:43):
Do I have it up? Oh it's not there yet,
hang out, hold ont me just it's right here. Okay.
So in the white line image, are those roads or
do you think those are walls? It feels more.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Yeah, those are all walls, Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Okay, that's all. You see the shadows.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Yeah, it's just like the Saudi Arabia. They're built one
next one next to the other, which is a very
ancient type of idea.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Look at this right here. Look at that it goes
up and across.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Oh yeah, there's and right below that you see these
are they have the peaks of the roofs. They're like
triangles just below that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Look at this right here.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
I know you could spend hours looking at this. It's
it's just mind boggling. And then there's all debris in
some inside some of the rooms. You know, there's all
kinds of crap, you know, the roofs caved in. It's
it's just a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
Yeah. Just to the south, this is on uh let
me let me be back this high so you see
the plateau kind of kidney shape, and the area that
we're looking at here is like right here, but right
below the edge of the place, So there's a whole
other complex right below that. I'm going to go and

(01:53:04):
take a look at that. That's pretty in it. It
looks very similar, very similar.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Do you have do you do you have jpeg two
thousand because you need that to look at this because
it's pretty small. I have to zoom in.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
I have everything, Okay, I have everything.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Yeah, so you can do it, man. Well, you know
that's the other thing. They have these high resolution images
in your average public you know, you got to download
the JPEG two thousand to be able to download. They're
huge files.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Huge.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Yeah, so your average person, it's like you got to
make an investment to get into the You can download
all the stuff free, but it takes up a lot
of space in your computer and it's a lot of
work to figure out how to maneuver in this this
whole realm here with looking at these images. So it's
it's not user friendly.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
So what's next for you, George? And where can everybody
reach out to you?

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
Well, the listeners out there, your paper too as well.
We can talk about that another time. Yeah, I'm the
Sidonian Institute. You can go on the Internet and just
type in the Sidonian Institute. We have a website. I'm

(01:54:19):
also on Facebook. I do a lot of posts on there.
If you don't just look up George Jay Hawes on
Facebook send me a friend request. I'd love to have
everybody that's listening come on take a look at what
I'm talking about. I've been on Ancient Aliens and all
those programs on television. I have like seven science papers published.

(01:54:41):
We did two on the parrot the the keyhole formation
was science paper we had published in various science journals.
Jimmy's just talking about the new uh the square shaped
formation that got a lot of attention in the beginning
of the year from Joe Rogan talking about that square
shape structure on Mars. We just had a paper published

(01:55:03):
in the Journal of Astrobiology, co authored with Mike good Friend,
a geomorphologist William Saunders, and we also have Robert Shack,
who everybody knows from the Sphinx investigation with showing all
the water erosions. So Robert Schock's part of the paper.

(01:55:26):
We're like walking on air having him being a co author.
So that's getting a lot of press and a lot
of recognition. With people reading it. So if you look
out there, just look up the square or go to
my Facebook. We have links to the paper, the papers
free to read. All of our science papers can be
downloaded for free. You don't have to go out and
invest in buying the journals. If you go to the

(01:55:49):
Sononi Institute, we have the journal's page Science paper page
you can download and take a look at all these
papers we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
Your work is just so good and just thank you
for your contributions, and I really appreciate it. I'm here
to support you. And you know that we've got some
other stuff that we'll be hitting the media here very
soon with George and I and I'll keep everybody posted
on that when that happens. But George, thank you so much,

(01:56:17):
and I look forward to our next conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
Man, this was great, Thanks a lot, Thanks for having me,
Jimmy all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
The best, George behaving be well. Thank you so much.
Thanks George, Haas everybody, and yes it is the Sedonia
Institute dot com. We've got the links up. Thank you
for that. Bill. The links are now up in the chat,
but we've also got it on our website and in
the description box below and on all of our social media.

(01:56:48):
So there you go. Great show tonight, great conversation. What
do you think? I mean, there's something going on, there's
something there to be discovered, and we truly all of
the probes and things and rovers and all of that.
That's great. We need boots on the ground. That's what
we need from mars. I want to remind everybody Tomorrow night,

(01:57:11):
author best selling author Rebecca Pittman is here and she
is going to discuss her and she's published twenty books
on hauntings in America. Tomorrow we're going to discuss her
two favorite hauntings in America. All of that Tomorrow night
with Rebecca Pittman. I'm here, Jimmy Church until tomorrow night.

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