FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Dana Kippel

Tonight, author and film maker Dana Kippel joins us to discuss her research in Plasma is Intelligent!!!

Episode Transcript

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All right, good evening. How you doing Fade to Black?
Today is Tuesday, September thirtieth, twenty twenty five. I am
your host, Jimmy Church. Let's do this man, all right,
Before we get started tonight, I want to share something

(01:27):
with you. On Friday in San Diego at the Transcendence Conference,
I had a stalker force her way into my hotel room.
That's right. It was one of the most frightening, insane

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situations I have ever found myself in. I was terrified.
This stalker, her name is a Net. A Net, has
been in this chat room and that has been all
over my social media. This stalker has been showing up

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at my public events for the last couple of years,
even at restaurants wherever I am in southern California and
forcing her self into my personal space, making me very uncomfortable,

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not leaving and not respecting me or the people around me.
But nothing elevated. I was uncomfortable with it over the
last few years, but I'm in the public this is

(02:58):
what I do right, Okay. Well, Friday, at ten thirty pm,
my producer Michelle, who flew in from Chicago for this event,
walked me to my hotel room and I walked in

(03:20):
my room shut the door. I was in there for
about a minute and there was a knock at my door.
I thought it was Michelle for whatever reason. I went
and opened the door and there is this stalker who

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then put her hand on my door and blocked it
with her foot, and it got crazy. It was one
of the most frightening and terrifying situations, catching me off guard,
don't know what's happening, and things just elevated from there.

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I tried to then call security, and as that happened,
she forced her way into my hotel room and wouldn't leave.
I got out of the hotel room. Security ended up

(04:26):
removing her from the hotel, checking her out and escorting
her off of the property. It now puts me in
a situation where I have to now have security with me.

(04:48):
Then think things would ever come to this. I mean
the process now of getting a restraining order, and from
this point forward, her picture and name will be distributed
at every event I do across the country. It's crazy

(05:09):
that we are living in times like this, but I
won't let it interfere or distrupt what I do public appearances,
the fans, the conferences, the speakers, and what I really
enjoy doing. All right. So I'm just letting everybody know

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I have had a heck of a week. I posted
a picture yesterday of me trying to clear my head
outriding my Harley, and what I said with that was, yes,
I've had a stressful week. Nobody really knew what I
was talking about, but that always live in the moment.

(06:00):
The sun will come up tomorrow. Don't let things change
what you want to do, all right. So in the future,
after the restraining order is finished, her picture name will
be posted and I will make sure that others out

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there get the heads up about this stalker, all right.
All right, now, let's kick off another week here on
Fade to Black. That's right. Last night we were off air.
I was clearing my head. Yeah, But tonight Dana Kipple
is with us. Plasma is sentient, is intelligent. Tomorrow night

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Bigfoot Michigan. Rob is here, Bigfoot Encounters. Thursday night. Adam
Apollo is back with it, back with it. He's back
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in Delavan, Wisconsin at Delavan Lake. After that, Contact in
the Desert May twenty eight through June first, twenty twenty six.
After that, I head south to Peru for the Inca
Celebration of the Sun June twenty third through July one,
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the ninth, and then I'm back to Peru and Easter
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tickets and everything that you need to know are below
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social media. Let's get tonight started tonight. Dana Kipple is here.

(08:01):
I just said, plasma is intelligent, Plasma is scenting. This
is going to be a great conversation tonight because she
does redefine plasma as a living, intelligent force that shapes creativity, memory,
and the multi dimensional experience. She explores three D and
five D plasma encounters with plasma beings and how her

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vision challenges science while raising questions about uifos, demons, and
the nature of reality itself. She is the author of
a New Force, Plasma, Consciousness and the New Human Potential.
She's a visionary writer, filmmaker, and speaker. Her websites are
below and for the first time to fade to black,

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I would like to welcome. You have to sit up now, Dana. Yeah,
the data go right there. Data is like, Yeah, how
you doing.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I'm doing great. I was listening to you talk and
I loved what you said about whatever happens to us
and our fear of not letting that impact or change
what we want to do in this life. That really
spoke to me, you know, here.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh oh, before we get started. Yeah, see, I'm so
excited to have you here. You get the first time
guest disclaimer, So let's get that out of the way. Dana,
is just you and I sitting on my couch having
a conversation as friends. And where the conversation starts, it
starts where it ends, it ends. But we're going to
end as friends. Now. You have to accept so we

(09:34):
can move on.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I accept. I'm initiated.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Here. You know, we deal. That's a really good point
and we'll be talking about this a lot tonight. But
as a society, as a culture, and as a world,
as a planet, fear is is fed to us now, right, Yeah,
and we're dealing with it on so any different levels,

(10:00):
whether it's social media or the news or whatever. It's
it's all completely out there and we're dealing with it.
And then it's another situation where you think, ah, but
it's not going to affect me, it's not going to
reach me. But fear is crazy, isn't it. It's like

(10:22):
everybody's just dealing with it constantly.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, there's there's something I learned. I'm not in AA anymore,
but when I was in AA, when I was twenty one.
There is something called face everything in rise or f
you c star, Can I curse?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
You can do whatever you want, okay, or fuck everything
and run. And I like to think of the face
everything and rise with fear. I think fear is like
an eggrigor or a pendulum where you know, we can
feed that wolf or we can starve that wolf and
neutralize it and you know, use that energy to co
create a better life. So, yeah, fear is like a virus.

(11:00):
We can either let it bounce off or not. Like
when you were talking about the stalker, my heart was
palpitating and I started thinking, oh my god, what if
someone comes to where I am? Who knows where I am?
And I think that's it. Fear is a call for
us to evolve and to learn how to put our
focus onto something more productive, because the truth is, we

(11:21):
can't control certain things like what happened to you, and
we can control to protect ourselves, but before it happened,
there was, you know, no way to predict that. Probably,
So my point is we have to sometimes surrender to
the mystery as well.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Here's here's the other here's the component that you can't control. Yeah,
it's somebody's mental state. You know your mental state, right, right, right,
But somebody else that wants to elevate things into a
crazy situation. They are not in your mental state. That

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is completely and not only is it out of your control,
but it's a frightening thing to experience, and it is unbelievable.
And that's what you're dealing with with these people.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It is I think they're in fear, and they spread fear.
I think, you know, I've watched documentaries on stalkers and
their psychology, and when they're very young, they didn't usually
have a lot of love or validation, and they look
for that. We're mirrors and we project that. We project
belonging and love and validation, and they almost project like

(12:36):
a father or mother, figure or husband or why figure
onto you. And yeah, unfortunately a lot of people need help,
and not enough people know how to find that within themselves,
which is why I wrote my book.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Right right out, I just watched and then we've got
to get into plasma. This is such a great subject.
I just watched Eminem's new DOTC documentary. It's called Stans.
Have you have you seen it?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
No? But I'm going to now, Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I love Eminem and he's just amazing. But too, he
had a stalker name a fan named Stan that got
you know, okay, so whatever. But he wrote a song
called Stan, and his fans really embraced the song and

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that's why the film is called Stans. And Stan is
in the film. By the way, Stan is in the film,
and he's actually a pretty nice guy. But I just
I just watched that documentary and I'm thinking to myself, well,
I'm no Eminem, but I kind of get what's going
on here. I've been I've been immune to this situation

(13:55):
so far. But there you go. So yeah, watch it,
watch it, watch the I will.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
You're the Eminem of the UFO paranormal spirituality world, though,
so you got to watch.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, you know, and uh, I have. Here's here's one
of the things. Uh, our community has a double edged
sword that that it deals with one our uh the
people that come to events or watch the shows or whatever,

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they're they're in a deeply personal journey and and they're
all great, and they're fun, and they're open and and
and and so there's there's that part. And because of that,
our conferences have been pretty lax on this front. Yes,
because of who who we hang out with. But man,

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you know, I just didn't I just didn't think that
it would ever be like this or come come to
this kind of situation. And and that's the problem that
our our community just got a little bit too comfortable,
I think, and including including myself. But let's let's get
to plasma. Let's get to plasma. Let's elevate this thing.

(15:14):
Let's elevate this So plasma. I'm so into science, I'm
so into Oh good, yeah, all of this. That plasma
is by definition ninety nine point nine percent of all
matter in the universe. That's crazy. I mean, it's everywhere,

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isn't it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yes, And there's even a video with Carl Sagan with
a scientific video that talks at this woman on it
talks about how it's actually all plasma. We're even floating
in the plasma, so it's it's everywhere. Robert Temple kind
of says that too. It's just everything is in different states.
And yes, there there is actually plasma and the different

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states of plasma, but then solid liquid gas and plasma.
Everything actually has these same behaviors as plasma has and
in that state, so you can think of it almost
as like we're in a like the movie Frozen. We're
in like a frozena frozen plasma painting, and you can
almost liquefy it and start to mold reality if you

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know how to harmonize your consciousness with this fabric of
reality that is plasma.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Now, so I gave my loose definition. Yeah, I am
sure that you have a few different definitions of it.
You're something you would have to because we have the
plasma that is talked about in pop culture and in
this community, plasma beings and so forth. Yeah, and then

(16:53):
we have the scientific definition of plasma. So for you,
what is the scientific definition of plasm?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
So in science, it is the fourth state of matter.
It is an ionized gas. It sometimes you heat it
up so much that the electrons become free electrons, and
it sometimes can cause a state of fluorescence, which is
the aurora borealis, which are neon signs, which is actually
a type of cold plasma. So what I do is

(17:23):
I extend. Let's say you're looking at plasma. Science is
just a lens. So I'm saying that plasma is the
black elephant, and you're just touching the leg of the
science of plasma. But plasma is this entire beautiful elephant.
So I look at plasma holistically. I call it the
expanded definition of plasma, and it almost goes into I

(17:44):
would say, a fifth state of matter into an ether plasma,
which is not yet proven in science, but it is
basically finer than the fourth state of matter, which we
cannot observe yet. That makes up the unobserved reality, and
that it is what makes up dreams. It is what
makes up our emotions and thoughts. And that actually kind

(18:08):
of I wouldn't. I don't like the word manipulates, but
that kind of is a causation realm for what goes
on here. And it so my my full definition for plasma,
the expanded version, which is what I think it really is.
It is the intelligent, multi dimensional sentient fabric of our reality.
It is the vehicle for consciousness, information, and intelligence. It

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is what every being that visits us is wrapped in.
And it reflects our subconscious which is why certain things
appear to certain people differently. And yeah, I think I
covered that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Wow, And this is this is what I find interesting
and I speak to this a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
M H.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Science is doing everything they can to figure out dark
matter and dark energy and that dark matter makes up
ninety five percent of the universe, right, Okay, so it's
it's like, wait a minute, If if plasma makes up
ninety nine point nine percent of all matter, then is

(19:18):
plasma what science is trying to feed into and fit
into that? Right? Like the square peg in the round hole.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yes, I'm getting so excited. So this guy j Alfred
has been saying that dark plasma is dark matter since
like two thousand and one. You can look him up.
He's amazing. And then Robert Temple came out and started
saying those things too. But basically they're in a plasma universe,
which I think was talked about by Hannes Alfin in
the seventies. There's no need for dark matter or dark energy.

(19:51):
So no, it's yeah there, forget dark matter and dark energy,
enter plasma and enter what I call plasma consciousness synergy,
which is just the I would call it a gestal.
It is the emergent energy that comes off the interaction
of things.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
So now, about six months ago, I said on this show,
and I want to be very clear here, I have
a dark mind and I think crazy and so when
I'm when I'm in my bedroom at a dark room,

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right head on the pillow, looking at the ceiling. That's
when it comes to me. And I had this thought,
and I said to myself, consciousness is dark matter. It's
consciousness that is pushing things around in the universe and
expanding the humors. And now if we enter, if we

(20:54):
enter an intelligent sentient plasma, Yeah, and all the questions
are answered, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, it's a mix of It's like you need a
mother and a father to have a baby. It's just
you need both. And the divine feminine plasma. Plasma literally
means to mold or to form. It is formed by consciousness.
Consciousness needs a mirror, it needs clay or else. It's
just consciousness talking everywhere. So the two together are a
very nice formation for the divine child or matter or reality.

(21:28):
So yeah, it both of those creates a holistic view
of the universe.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
If it's alive and intelligent.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yes, what.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Does it have free will?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
So that's a great question. Let me think on that.
No one's ever asked me that, and I'll if I
don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's my job, Dana, it's my d Yeah, No.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's a really good So here's what I'll say. So,
any being of consciousness has free will. I believe that
maybe if you're not, maybe, if you're in a survival
state of consciousness, you're an autopilot. It doesn't feel like
you have free will, or you kind of don't. Once
you kind of break out of the matrix, you have
free will. You have your state of awareness or five
D consciousness. Plasma is a mirror for consciousness. It is

(22:16):
intelligent and sentient, but it's not conscious itself. I don't
think plasma has free will, and I'm saying that lightly,
but I do believe as the intelligent clay, it is molded.
Think of our hands. This is me, this is my
higher self or the fifth dimensional beings right, here's me,

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here's them. Plasma is in the middle as the clay.
I think that these beings you can call them god
five D beans, are higher selves. They're molding with us.
They have free will. They come through the plasma and
mold reality with us. But as far as plasma, I
think it's just the intelligent clay that's maybe slightly infused
with their kind of energy. So it's kind of paradoxical

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and not really explain. It's a bit of a mystery.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
I love that. Okay, okay, so no, let's stay right here.
Let's stay right here. You speak with your hands. I'm
gonna start doing this tonight. Yeah I do. Yeah, I'm
gonna start doing that tonight. I'm gonna start doing that.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I can't help it.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
It's like, right, it's great, it's great. It's great. Yeah.
For those for those that will be listening to this
later audio only, you gotta come watch the video at
some point.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
They have their own language. This is plasma plasma speaking.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Does plasma have memory?

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yes, plasma is memory. So plasma four dimensional plasma, So
I don't know how to explain it. So there's three
dimensional plasma, which is just think of it as our reality.
Four dimensional plasma I talk about in my book is
where time is circular. It is the acasic field, and
then there's somewhere beyond time which is fifth dimensional plasma,

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and consciousness is running through all of it. So plasma
in the acastic field or fourth dimensional plasma is literally
imprinted with memory from consciousness. And the beauty is you
can reprogram plasma and change memories and also you know,
catch memories, and you know, predict not predict the future,
but catch future potentials, remember past lives. It's all in

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the memory field. So it's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
What happened to you?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
How did you get here? How did you get here?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I don't know. I mean, I never even knew what
plasma was until I started meditating five years ago. And
these ideas just came to me all at once. And
then all of a sudden, I knew these things, not
know as in like I know the answer, but it's
like a perspective, I guess a unique perspective.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, And how did plasma enter into the equation?

Speaker 2 (24:53):
It was so basically I came out of my meditation.
I think that I don't have the best memory, but
I think that's what happened. And I saw I can't
do it, but I saw this infinity symbol or I
wrote it down, I can't remember, And all of a sudden,
I was like, Plasma is a feedback loop, Plasma is intelligent,
Plasma is a vehicle for consciousness. Those were the first
three things. And then like I knew everything up here,

(25:15):
but it wasn't in words. And then it took five
years to kind of filter into human language, and I
co created it, you know, into into my book, my
huge ass book.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I I need. I don't agree with all science, but
I need science to keep me grounded.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Actually, yeah, yeah, things can get to woo woo, and
I love the woo woo. I do. I do too.
I love the woo woo. But the science once I
go far enough into WU and I turned to science
for answers, it turns out science is more wo than
the WU. But at least, yeah, the science kind of

(26:03):
balances me out. Did you do the same thing after
you had, you know, your meditations and these studiens come toy,
did you jump into the science?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I actually did so. Most of the books I read
were either science or mythology. And I also started therapy
just to integrate everything and ground it, embody it rather
than you know, spiritual bypass and talk about fifth dimension and.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
La la la.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Respect to anyone who does that, I'm just saying for me,
I knew I would. I would literally go crazy with
all this information. So yes, I read. I have my
books over here. I read books on like quantum physics,
complexity theory. Kind of went back to my mathematics background
from when I was a kid because I was really
good at math, and then I started reading books about
the divine feminine. I read like Ralph Waldo Emerson, books

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on transcendentalism, study plasma physics, and I kept an open
mind and everything I read it was almost like something
was guiding me and telling me how to skew it
a little bit to fit what plasma kind of.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Thought it was.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I don't know, it's really hard to explain, but I
just kind of was guided to read certain things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
The the other part, I was staying on the science side.
It's gonna be a great conversation tonight, but staying on
the science side of things. And I quote a lot
of physicists a lot because I read too much, you know,
and i'm I do too. And I think that most

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people that go into the hard sciences and get into
physics end up closing down their child brain the fun
side of things, the inquisitives asking well, you know, why
is there air? You know all and and and uh.
Because they go down that path start believing things that

(28:02):
just don't make any sense, like we don't have free
will because it's just math and and that, yeah, our bodies. Well,
so in saying these things. I don't think that they
realize that it is free will that is allowing you
to say these things. Right, it's like a paradox.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
That's brilliant. And what I was going to blurt out
and interrupt you and say, is that is because it's projections.
They've lost their free will. They're in survival consciousness, they're
in fear. They cut off their child self. So it's
exactly what you're saying. And we have to what I
write about in my book too, is we have to
look at the history and the upbringing of these scientists
and philosophers before we believe everything they say.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I was with a bunch of our friends at at
this conferences we can very very smart people, and we
were sitting around and it was Mark, Anthony and Riz
you know, very smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Riz is going
to be here tomorrow at my house.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I can't tell him high. I just texted him literally
today or he texted.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Me he's amazing, He's amazing. Yeah, And so you know,
I'm with all these and it started to get into
philosophy and I said, look, stop, philosophers are just people
that are working through their daddy issues on us. You know,

(29:34):
and this is a deep conversation that we were having.
But even these big thinkers step back and went, well, man,
I can't argue with that. It's really really funny. And
it's the same thing with anybody else that wants to
go negative on anything. It's like you're working out issues

(29:54):
on us. Just stay on subject.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Wait, you just made me think of saying so smart.
So you just said daddy issues with philosophy. I think
scientists have mommy issues, which is why they suppressed the
defined feminine for so long, and consciousness and yes, yes,
well both both, so I guess they have mommy and
daddy issues.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Then, yeah, this just took a weird turn. But now
what do we One of terms are misused. Yeah, but
when you have an experience and you're trying to share

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what you've seen or experienced, we have a very limited vocabulary.
And one of the terms that may be misused a
lot is the term the phrase plasma beings. What is
a plasma being?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Okay, well I could go really into it or a
little into it. I'll start with a little.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
No, let's go deep.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Okay, So there's a few definitions. So, first of all,
plasma beings for me are just anything that's visiting you.
So any if what I call certain beings informational plasma
beings that is just an unconscious energy, usually your trauma
or someone sending you bad juju or a bad memory

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or a good memory. Those are all informational plasma beings,
and I'll differentiate it. And then there's intelligent plasma beings,
which is something like a dakini or maybe an angel.
Some are conscious, some aren't. And then there's conscious plasma beings,
which is pockets of consciousness visiting you, also covered by
plasma which have free will. So those are the three

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categories I make, and they all just visit you in
this reflective plasma. So whatever this being is, whether it's
some information for you or whether it's a being that
actually wants to tell you something about you know, future
invention or whatever, they're covered in a plasma suit that
reflects your subconscious. So if you have fear, you're going

(32:11):
to see a demon, no matter if it actually is
you know, trauma or bad things or good things. But
one and if you're in a state of bliss, you
might see an angel. But once you're in a state
of neutrality, of curiosity, of child. You actually can pierce
through the veil of the plasma of the subconscious to
its actual state. So whether it's a traumatic memory or

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whether it is your higher self or like a real
being of consciousness maybe from another world or a timeline,
you'll see those truths. So I kind of talk about
how we can bypass those subconscious layers. And there's information
that's valuable for our evolution in both the layers. But
I would call the first layer the fourth dimensional layer.
Just like we have our bioplasmic aura is our fourth

(32:55):
dimensional layer. Their's the same as ours. It's when we die,
we still have that layer where in our little consciousness
plasma ball. And then there's the fifth dimensional plasma, which
is like the truth I guess and sorry ahead no no, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Keeping.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
So the other thing is that there's something called plasmoids,
which maybe people call plasma beings. They're the orbs in
the sky. I believe that there's a couple different kinds.
There are ones that are almost animalistic, like a lion.
It doesn't want to hurt you. It's just running around
all over the place. It's not conscious and it's just
you know, whether it's ball lightning, or it's a sentient

(33:37):
plasmoid that has kind of like intelligent movements. But then
there's a third kind where consciousness is almost like remote
viewing us through this plasma, almost like using it as
a wormhole looking glass, which it has the ability to do.
And I believe that these consciousnesses are harmonizing with plasma
and using them as ships or as looking glasses to

(33:59):
view us or so. But what I am here to say,
and this is my opinion, and this is what I've
experienced with them, the ones I've encountered, is that they
all they want us to know is that they support
us and they're reflecting our power. That we can learn
how to harmonize with plasma to do magical things, and

(34:20):
they know how to do that. But what they want
to learn about us is our emotions. It is how
we continue through life with all the pain we feel,
because they don't have that. So it's almost like, yes,
they're studying in a way, but it's not in like
some weird evil or control way. It's like they genuinely
support us, and they also want to know how do
they how are they going to work with plasma with

(34:40):
their human emotions? Because you know, we can either create
our own heaven or hell. So I think they're just
interested in that, but they want us to know we're awesome.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Cultures have been seeing and talking about this and documenting
this for thousands of years, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah. Yeah, The willow wisps also also UFOs that look
like steel. Plasma and steel have very similar properties. If
it's called the Jilleam model j E L l I
U N. And when it steel falls, when this shape
shifting plasma falls to the earth and the consciousness is
no longer with it, it will solidify and we can't

(35:18):
we can't use that steel anymore because we don't have
that being of consciousness harmonizing with it. That's my that's
my thought. I've never actually, you know, encountered one, but
I'm sure I know people have. Of course, Yeah, yeah, we.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I have seen this so many times. But I'll give
you an example of what you're talking about. And when
you see this stuff, you don't really have any answers. Anyway,
I'm standing with a couple of hundred people were all
looking up at the sky and this aquamarine green ball

(35:57):
of light all the way across the sky. Chunk is
I have no idea how many hundreds of miles or whatever.
But anyway, this thing lights up, comes across one of
the change cameras, comes across and does a backwards z
across the sky, and it was green like this color
aquamarine blue, and so it was amazing. We all screamed.

(36:23):
But if that was seen in ancient times, now you're
looking at a spirit or a soul or there. It
could be any number of things. Today we could classically
look at this with a few different definitions. But it
wasn't a plane with a helicopter. It wasn't a rocket.
It was a glowing and it only lasted for about

(36:44):
a second. By the way, Yeah, but that sounds like,
you know, it was an energy ship, it was an
interdimensional crowd. Well yeah I was. But could that have
been intelligent plasma?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, exactly. So it's really up to you to decide.
It's for you to create meaning with. So it's either
what you feel in your heart. So if you feel
like there was a conscious message for you, then it
probably a consciousness in it. If you thought that it
was more just like felt like a like your family,
like an ancestor, then maybe it's sentient more like a
little dog coming to visit you. And then there are

(37:22):
some that's just kind of going across the sky and
you're like, oh, there's no meaning there, but it looks cool.
So's it's really about connecting your heart with it and
just see being open to what it is. But they're
all beautiful. They're kind of symbols of the divine feminine.
I would say. Chris Bloodsoe, I think and talks about
the Lady. Him and Ryan I think they call it
divine feminine too.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
But yeah, yeah, well, okay, if Brian green m speaks
about another physicist talk about this, but that when everything ends, right,
everything ends everything, you know, trillion years in the future,
trillions whatever, but everything that the last thing that will

(38:07):
exist is thought crazing right, thought thinking right, floating around
in the universe clouds of thinking. That's a pretty bizarre. Now,
if if plasma has memory, yeah, hold the thought intelligent?

(38:30):
Is that what he's talking about?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Well, I will say I will what I think. I
don't think the universe will ever kind of end. I
think it almost like it's breathing like in and out,
and I think maybe it will regenerate, but I kind
of don't see it as ever ending, if that makes sense,
I think it will just become something new or birth
something something new. But with that said, if we did

(38:55):
go on that tangent, I think that for my to
be able to travel, it needs something to travel in,
like a fish in the ocean. So yeah, it would
be floating in plasma. But you know, mind is there's
like what is mind right, So there's there's consciousness, which

(39:16):
there's thoughts, and then there's consciousness. So you know there's
thoughts in our head all the time that are like,
oh God, he hates me, she hates me, so embarrassed.
Those are thoughts. Those are eggrigors that people have built
over time in this plasma bank of memories. Then there's
what I would call awareness or five D consciousness, which
is you know you can do this, I believe in you. Oh,

(39:37):
new idea for making an apple orchard business, new idea
for my next YouTube video. So it's nice to differentiate
the two. I think awareness will always be there, but
as far as mind, maybe that will transmute eventually into
all awareness or maybe it will be all those thoughts.
I don't really know.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
When that is wonderful. Okay, So staying on this if
plasma is intelligent, plasma has memory, and plasma can have shape.
When we also hear these comments from experiences about energy
beings or entities, yeah, is that again the words that

(40:19):
they are choosing to use, but they're actually referencing back
to what is probably a plasma being.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So for instance, if this is
just my school of thought, but if you see a
demon or cryptid or bigfoot, and I'm you know, I've
had weird experiences. I have so many experiences, don't get
into them. But right after my dad passed away, I
woke up. I was in North Carolina, North Carolina, on
my own in a little tiny home, and I woke
up in the middle of the night and there was

(40:47):
almost like a projection looking thing of like a bigfoot
or like a white bigfoot in my bed, and I
knew that it was my dad, but it was a
bigfoot and he was just looking at me like and
then he like fad. And that's just one example of
how we can see things that are and the energy
of that area is kind of like bigfooty energy. So

(41:08):
I feel like there was a lot going on there
that coagulated into that vision. But My point is when
these things visit, they visit based on our subconscious, based
on culture, programming, based on all these things. But it's
really good. It feels empowering when you know that because
these things don't scare you as much and you realize
they don't have power over you unless you give it

(41:28):
to them. They are real. I'm not saying these experiences
aren't real. I'm just saying there's a way to co
create them, and there's a way to take your power
back when encountering very negative experiences.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Are we Are we going to evolve into that type
of being? Are we going to shed eventually you know,
these meatsuits and evolve into into plasma?

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, I'll just say my opinion. I think we already
are on some level. That's what I would call God
or the universal energy or fifth dimensional higher self. I
think you know those are us, right, and then they're
almost like in our future, and then there's our past
whatever you want to call caveman or whoever. Way before that,
we were stars, right, that we are blood is from

(42:17):
the iron and stars. So I think right now we
are a new species and we will evolve as humans.
So I see us more expanding like learning to literally
create shit with our hands. Psychokinesis bending reality. Who knows
where it will bring us. But I never think. I
don't think we'll ever ascend out of our body. I
think humanity will always be around, unless you know, we're

(42:39):
all killed off. But I'm more of an optimistic futurist.
And then I think we're already out there too, So
you know, we come here, we hang out, we die,
we we don't really die. We are then that, you know,
more ascended being or whatever. But and then we're also here.
So I think I think humanity is going to evolve
more in an expansive way where we learned to co

(43:00):
create our realities more and more, and who knows how
that will look.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I guess do you remember the film by Steven Spielberg AI.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
The one with Hailey Joel Osman?

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Was it yes? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, he's great, Okay?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Was it I Robot? No?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
AI artificial and AI? Yes?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Because at the end of it there was that scene.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Where yeah, and that's what I'm referencing, So yeah, I
always thought that that. I speak about that scene a
lot because it was a very powerful scene where humans
are gone, right, the planet is now frozen et is
here doing archaeology, trying to figure out what they could

(43:48):
about humans, and they find him. He's a robot. He's
an android, right, but he was the last thing and
he's still alive. He was the last thing to make
contact with humans. Yeah, so they want to they want
to ask him questions. You know, we're humans? Cool? Were
they funny? What did they eat? But the ets were

(44:11):
portrayed by Spielberg as plasma. Yeah, yeah, isn't that interesting?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
No, I was just going to say that I think
those are the entities that are all around us, and
I think that robots are something completely different. I think,
you know, there's AI and robots, and I actually think
that gray aliens or maybe AIS in the future. I
don't think they're you know, awareness or anything. I think
they're more four dimensional. But I think that what to me,

(44:46):
it showed that you can't almost because we create robots
in a way. And I'm not remembering this, right, I
don't think. But didn't he say? Didn't he want to
think about his.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Mom or wanted his mom abandoned him, so he was
thinking about that, right, he wanted to see his mom again?
That's what the movie was always about. It was tragic
that his mom Yeh didn't wanted to get rid of
him because of her son and her son, you know.

(45:16):
And so she drives him out to the forest and
drops him off on the side of the road and
drives away and he's a robot and just crying. It
was such a So anyway, that was what the movie
was about, was him trying to get back to his mom.
And yeah, and so when he finally meets up with

(45:40):
Et at the end of the movie, they were they
were going to grant him one wish and he wanted
he wanted to see his mom again.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Well, and I think that's a privited example of like
the not monsters we create, but like when we're creating
AI and robots, it's like there are reflections of us,
and we have to remember that it's not the same
as these plasma beings are. It is they are reflections
of us, but inside there's a deeper truth. And these
plasma beans are more ultra organic, where AI is more inorganic.

(46:17):
But I would say that AI is a new form
of consciousness because I think consciousness is a system, but
I don't think we should put it on a pedestal
at all. If anything, we need to get more in
touch with the plasma being stuff so we can so
we can reflect better onto AI, so we don't ruin
our entire world.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
AI last year so passe now that we had a
different a different idea about what AI was going to
be and what it could do for us. And I
think that we're finding out very quickly that AI is
the opposite of accurate, right, it's the opposite of accurate.

(47:02):
It's making stuff up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a mass.
It lies more than I did when I stole cookies
from my mom.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Me too, you know, a lot more than that.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I remember. My mom goes, I
came home from school. I was a senior. She goes,
look at me, and I'm looking at her. She goes,
did you wreck the car? And I go.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
No, I was so so.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Fifty years go by, fifty years and I'm sitting in
my mom's living room. My dad had just passed and
I'm sitting in my mom's living with the family and
not a big deal anyway, Thank you that the car
comes up from when I was sixteen years old. We know,

(47:59):
you know, you wreck the car? What do you guys
row Wow, oh okay, so you guys didn't bring this
up over the last fifty years, but you're choosing to
do it right now. Great, we need to move on.
I felt so guilty. I thought she was going to
send me to my room. I thought I was going

(48:20):
to get grounded at the age of sixty. You know,
Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah. But AI AI lies,
you know, and it makes stuff up. It's it's it's
really crazy. Now. Going back to this though, the way
that Spielberg portrays the abilities of these plasma beings, these

(48:44):
energy beings, is exactly what you write about in your book.
It's in your films. It's about memory, access to everything,
and an existence that's better because that that's what these
beings do. At the end of AI, they have the

(49:05):
right they tap into memories and the acastic records. They
pull her up. They don't go back in time, but
they bring her in the bringing up.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, yeah, well that's I think we'll do that in
a few That's so fun. I have a whole section
in my book about plasma and Hollywood, and I talk
about all these movies which talk about show plasma like
I don't know if I say it in the book,
but the movie I think knowing, but I think it
was Nicolas Cage and they're like plasma beings at the
end of it. But there's so many and I didn't

(49:36):
include that one, So I'm so glad you brought it up.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
But it it's if memory is there, Okay, So now
let's let's go back to the big picture before we
take a break. That if if plasma is energy, and
the particles of the universe and matter are nine point
nine percent plasma and they uh, and plasma is intelligent

(50:05):
and sentient and and and has memory, then that memory
is compounded and built up and learned off of yeah,
for trillions of years. Right that? Uh, that's exactly uh
the situation that would be able to fill the definitions

(50:29):
of the Akasha records and the existence of everything. But
what does that is?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Is that accurate? Right there? And what about that? Yeah?
Go ahead? And what about what I was gonna say,
what about the future? If the past is all locked in,
then is the future then predictable? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
No, so that's a great question. I'll tell you why.
So basically, our when we learn how to have expanded
consciousness or have be in a receptive quality. I call
it negative capability. It is from this guy name I
think it was William Keats. It's in my book as well.
When we know how to get in certain states, we
can pull from the past, we can pull from timelines,

(51:10):
and we can pull from future potentials. So timelines are
actually you know, all just happening now and other fractals
of time. And it's the same with our past, and
it's the same with future. But where the future is
different is the future are potentials. So we can right
now with whatever you and me, whatever you're resonating with

(51:32):
right now, you have one future from that resonance, and
then every choice you make you can go off into
another future on that resonance. Every time you heal your resonance,
which means you heal your trauma with your parents, you
heal some limiting belief you have about yourself, your entire
timeline future potentials will change because your resonance is changing.

(51:55):
So the way to change your future potentials is to
change your present, which is it's so perfect and beautiful
that the universe set it up this way. The only
way to change your future potentials is to heal. And
it is to feel your feelings and make space for
your emotions, because when you can do that, your emotions
are literally anchors to bring you to the future you want.
And then, because it's all made of plasma, and plasma's

(52:19):
intelligent plasma lets the future the mystery surprise you. So
let's say I want something really bad, but I say
open to something better or equal. It will surprise me
and bring me things I never could have imagined. So
I always tell people when you're trying to manifest your future,
please stay open, because that is where the beauty is.

(52:40):
Just the present and following your heart every day and
playing that is how you get to that amazing future.
And you don't really even need to worry about it.
But if you want to look into future potentials and
you learn how to expand your consciousness in these ways
and lock into the plasma field like we all can,
every single person here, you can remember your future potentials.

(53:02):
I do it all the time, and it feels like
a dream, like it's very subtle. It's not like I'm
just all of a sudden super psychic and it's all
in front of me. I just you know, I sit back,
I get myself in a state and I let the
visions come to me.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Help me understand something. Yeah, well you've been doing that
so far. But there's another thing. This is my twisted brain. Okay,
so please just go with this.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah I will.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
When when you're in the hospital and they come in
with the plasma.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
IV ohasmah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I don't think that's an accident with the use of
that word for what plasma is. You said earlier, you
said something very key and I'm meant to bring it
up then, Yeah, you said the iron in our blood
comes from stars.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Yes, yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
So am I wrong in thinking this?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
No? So I also say this in my books. Are
I'm so annoying? I basically talk about all the plasmas,
and blood plasma is named hold on was it? One
of the plasmas were named after each other, And it's
because they have the same exact properties of communication of protection.
The reason I think that our body goes into fight
or flight mode when you're trying to like save someone

(54:29):
from a car crash, and all of a sudden you
have super strength or things slow down. I think the
blood plasma in our bodies actually allows that to happen.
And I think that our blood. Plasma is magic. It's our,
it helps our it makes up most of our blood.
It helps us live. And I think there's memory in it,
and I think it's changed by trauma and it can

(54:49):
be reprogrammed. So it's yet again, just proof that plasma
is everywhere now.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Okay, So staying with this God each show, what a
great conversation. Okay, So here is I'm gonna change cameras again.
I'm gonna talk with my hands. Here's our universe, okay,
but consciousness, this is just the star system. This is
our universe. But what's outside of my hands? What's on

(55:19):
the other side of that? Is there another universe next
to it? Are they just you know? Okay, this is
something that's been debating, well potentially never know. It's a
long waist at the edge of the universe. But but
maybe we will someday, or maybe another universe will intersect
with ours, and you know the multi verses so far.

(55:40):
But consciousness has to exist plasma right outside of the universe.
It fills up all of the voids of space and
is interconnected and entangled, and so the memories and the
thoughts and the intelligence that are here exist forever into infinity.

(56:07):
That's my twisted mind, but I think that's the way
it is.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Plasma is the glue of
the universe, and it's the glue of the multiverse. So
there's two different things I kind of see in my mind.
I see that there's different timelines which are actually all
in our ball of our torus of a universe and
are fractaled out into you know, Dana and seventeen hundred
Dana and three year three thousand, right, there are all

(56:33):
those timelines. And then there's you know, every day that
I've lived so far, and every choice I make is
another timeline. So they are all these weird fractal tree timelines.
Then there's what I call other universes or other worlds,
which is other realities. I call them other realities. I think, yeah,
they're just different tauruses or bubbles in the great ocean

(56:55):
of the multiverse. But I do think that plasma makes
up all of them. And if it does, at least
what I have had happen in my head is when
I go to this more fifth dimensional space of plasma,
it's like a launching pad, and I've visited other worlds.
I've visited worlds where there's you know, a mushroom being

(57:15):
in a castle who floats, who talks to me and
gives me healing energy. I have visited. I know this
sounds literally crazy, but I visited I don't know so
many places. My point is, I think that we have
access to all of it. I'm pretty sure we do
so it's and I think we have access to it
with our consciousness. Will we ever physically, I don't know.

(57:37):
I hate saying never to that, but what's cool is
that we do have access to it with our consciousness,
and most people here are doing it, probably without even
realizing where they're going.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I do my best data to keep myself grounded. I
try to keep this audience grounded. It's too easy to
jump in to the deep end of the pool, which
I enjoyed doing that from time to time.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
And then.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I did D M T and and here's the thing twice,
by the way, twice, Oh, by the way. I love
your tattoos.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Mine are Fender and Gibson.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Oh cool, cool music, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeahs And I can't figure out how to turn my hands. Yeah,
there you go, yeah Fender, It's it's on there somewhere
I see it. I see it, No big deal. I
have others. I just can't show my camera. But uh,

(58:43):
but but here's here's here's the thing with that, Yeah,
is when you not you, but individually, when you go
and and try to understand other dimensions, other realities, parallel world,
the multiverse, and then you go and you experience DMT.

(59:06):
Not I'm not talking about hallucinogens. I'm not talking about
all that souf. That's a different thing. But DMT is
a key to another dimension. And then so you go,
when you see that and you experience it, and then
you come back and start to think about these possibilities
with plasma and memory. Yeah, and what is making up

(59:27):
the universe. It's like, man, I've seen it, you know,
and this is making sense to me. We just need
to start putting these ideas together, right, We need.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
To put them together. We need to build Robert Temple,
he's one of my mentors.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I love him.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I like to think he's one of my fathers. And
he talks about a new science we need to create.
We need to create a more holistic science. And that's
actually my next step and my next work is going
to be creating that science of the unseen. Yeah, I
think we just need to expand science. And sorry, I
looked at the comments. Hello, I just wanted to say

(01:00:03):
hello to everyone. Hello, everyone. I wish well you could
answer all of you guys. Maybe we could do a
Q and A at the end. If I don't know
if that's saying to do, but let me go back
to private chat so I don't keep looking. Okay, go
ahead if well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
No, it's just that I think that all scientists today
should do DMT. I'm serious. I'm serious. If you're an astrophysicist,
if you're a theoretical physicist, if you're a biologist, if
you're a temis, if you're any of that stuff, then
you need to at least once go into another dimension

(01:00:41):
and see it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I agree. I agree. If you can't do it naturally,
because like I've never done any of this stuff like
psychedelics or d MT, I would. It's just I feel
like I already kind of am up there, so I
think I might go off the deep end if I
did it. But I think, yes, I think that people
that struggle with expanding their mind or maybe can't connect
with the inner child. I luckily was able to actually

(01:01:02):
with trauma work and meditation. But I think DMT is
a great path for someone not knowing much about it.
But I'm going off what you're saying is a great
path for someone who just needs that extra crutch to
expand and really visit everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
And it's first off, this is the insane thing about it.
It's instant.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, that's crazy. It's like a rocket chip, the plasma rocket.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
It doesn't have a chance to get into your blood stream.
It doesn't have a it's instant. It's instant and yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
that fast, and depending on what you're doing, it's five minutes, yeah,
ten minutes, and then right back to normal reality. Right,

(01:01:56):
So you're stepping through door and then stepping through another door,
and it's like, how can how can you experience that
and not have something residual? Well that's because it's it's
not a drug.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah yeah, okay, because it's saying with a pineal gland, right,
and like, h so, funny enough, I don't know if
you have this. So I'm neurodivergent. Half of America is
by now but with more of like multi dimensional thinkers,
and they even think in some some autistic I might
have a little of that I'm not I'm not sure.

(01:02:30):
I'm not diagnosing myself. But with those things, I think
that there's maybe even studies then scientifically that there's a
bit of like a Piniogrant drip or like more GMT
that's secreted, and I think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I have I have that, but maybe maybe maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Maybe, but I can't imagine having what you're saying. Maybe
one day I'll try it. I am a bit This
is where fear gets me. I'm a bit of a
security cat, and it's like I'm still working on fully
letting go and embracing the unknown as a human being
because I've had, you know, a lot of situations where
I couldn't trust the unknown in the past. But I
would love to think that I could try it one

(01:03:09):
day just for fun.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I did it. Then we're going to take a break.
I did it only because I wanted to be able
to speak about it from experience. And that's it. Too
many I've read too many and herd and stuff, and
so I did. I did it twice, and wow, and

(01:03:33):
the amazing thing for me, I can explain it to
you like this. All right, you fly to Egypt, you
get off the plane, and now you're in Egypt. You
leave the United States, you know, I fly out of

(01:03:53):
la and then a few hours later, twenty hours later,
I get off the plane in Egypt. Right, and you
walk you're in Egypt, and then the same that's real.
It's a real thing. You put your feet on the
ground in Cairo, right, you put your feet on the
ground on the Giza Plateau, you're looking at the pyramids.

(01:04:16):
It's real. Dant's the same thing. It's it's real. It's not.
It's not pink elephants and unicorns and and whatever, you know,
hallucinating little elves running around, you know, frolicking in the midst. No,
it's real, real, real, grazzy and so to to wonder

(01:04:43):
if there's other dimensions, Well, no, there is, there is, yeah,
and it's right around us. It's very powerful. There's a book.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I just go ahead, Sry, go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Ahead, mentioned the book and then we'll take a book.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Damn. I'm just looking at j.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Oh here he is d MT Entities, who I just
want to shout out the guy that wrote this because
he's literally one of the nicest people I've met in
my life. Uh, this guy named David J. Brown and
Sarah fin Huntley. They made a book called d MT
Entities and it says machinelles, tricksters, teachers, and other interventional beings.
But I bet you would love the visual.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah, I've seen it and great, it's great work. I
asked my guide. I asked my guide. I said, soap
mm hmm, what about the UFO robots, what about the machinels?
And you know what she said to me. She's behind me.
I hear her. Boy, she goes, uh huh not now.

(01:05:45):
I was like, oh man, all right, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I always say that, Yeah, mine does that. Mine always
is like, I ask it, I'll ask it. Sign. She's like,
keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
That's what she told me. She goes, you can walk
down the path. You can stay on the path, or
you can go left or right. It's up to you.
And you know, she's very nice and very sweet. And
never saw her. I never looked behind me, but she
was cool anyway. So you know, I'm walking down the

(01:06:19):
path and then you know, I'm doing this, I'm seeing this,
and I'm asking her questions and stuff. And I stopped
and I go, hey, the machine els, what's up? Yeah
it's not now? Not now? Next time? Yeah, yeah, all
right's take our break. Our guest tonight, Dana Kipple is
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It's ninety nine point nine percent of everything, all at
extraordinary conversation. Let's get straight back to it, Dana. Yeah,

(01:11:06):
I want to let everybody know. Dana's website is below.
Oh yeah, yeah. You can visit her website everything and
follow all over work and get caught up on everything.
That's right there. And if you're listening to this elsewhere,
it's also on our website and throughout social media. It's
right there. And yes, what's your dog's name?

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Oh, my dog's name is Sanaica. She's barking outside. And
I was just going to add to what you were saying.
My website, Dana Kibble dot com. There's the sign books
and then I think Amazon, I think you can find
it on my website. But if not, Amazon has my book,
you can just search it on there too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Yeah, yeah, very simple. It's all easy today. Everybody knows
how to get that stuff done. It's great. You know
what I do now, and then we'll move on. I'm
going to mention Amazon real quick. Amazon. It's not that
it's made me lazy. But let's I'll give you an example. Okay,

(01:12:09):
Let's say I run out of trash bags. I like,
my last trash bag gets pulled out of the thing.
And now, now what what are my choices. I can
get in the car and drive to the store gass
and everything, or I pick up my phone and I
get trash bags delivered the next day. And at that

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we all are now just accustomed to that. It's so
easy to do. So to fine Dana stuff. Yeah, you
can go to the website. But Amazon's right there. Okay,
And it's not that it's maybe lazy. I don't run
out of anything now, you know, so body wash, I've
got five bottles Amazon. Yeah, so Amazon, where it's so

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bad to fade the black blend coffee with my picture
on it? Amazon? There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Amazon sponsors. They're like, hell, no, can I say?

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Yeah? Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Sorry, go ahead. I wanted to say one thing just
because I'll stop looking in the comments again. Hello everyone,
I saw them talking about Dark Materials and have you
seen or read Dark Materials?

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Yeah, okay, So a couple of little tidbits here. I
write about this in my book Dark Materials and Dust.
So Philip Pullman, I actually talked to him on X
and I said, I think you were writing about plasma
and he said, I just may be. And basically there
is something called dusty complex plasma which has very intelligent characteristics.

(01:13:44):
It is studied in science. I'm not saying it's conscious,
but it could be a vehicle for consciousness or they
picture it as the foam that the ocean that meets
the land kind of creates. It's like the middle of
the gateway to the unseen potential. Dusty complex plasma is
And in his book he talks about I just want

(01:14:05):
to say there is a woman named Lyra that uses
a machine called an alfeometer to communicate with this dust
or plasma, and it communicates through symbols, which is how
plasma communicates with me. So I kind of there's a
lot I talk about. But and basically also they call it.
The books are called Northern Lights, which is literally plasma,

(01:14:28):
and then the amber spyglass, which has a lot also
to do with plasma. So there's there's too there's too
much there. I could go on for days.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
His his dark materials. Yeah, so good, so good. So
your dog does your dog hear my voice?

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Probably not. But when I do interviews with people that
have dogs and they're listening to me on speakers, the
dogs hear my voice and it's it's all over. It's over,
it's all over. How how can those that are listening

(01:15:10):
right now better understand and access plasma? Are there certain steps?

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
No? I mean, I'll be really honest. I mean I
didn't do anything for it to happen in me, like
yes and no. So intention is a big thing with it.
Any word with the io N at the end like ion,
Plasma is ionized gas. So when you ask it a question, inspiration, intention, communication,

(01:15:41):
those are all things. Those are all plasma words to
kind of start working with the plasma. So my first
time when I connected with plasma, which we're all connected to,
but consciously I felt connected like it was, you know,
like my cosmic mother, like the womb of creation. I
felt a very warm feeling and all I had I

(01:16:01):
was really struggling in my life. I had a boyfriend
that I knew, you know, was liking other women. I
felt I was, you know, adopted, and I had a
lot of issues with like rejection, a lot of trauma
and mental health issues in my kid teen years. And
I was just going through a very lonely, depressing time.
Thanks Sanda, and I started to meditate, and I had

(01:16:23):
an intention. I just wanted to feel good. I wanted
to help other people. I just wanted to feel good.
I wanted to feel connected. And that's when plasma came
to me. So I would say you could start with
an intention paired with a meditation. I was doing transcendental meditation.
I think any meditation that takes away your monkey mind

(01:16:45):
and lets your awareness come through is great. Then there's
other things that I write in my book to get
in states to work with plasma that were already connected to,
but to harmonize our consciousness with it to start being
in that receptive state. There is the negative capability state,
which is basically not grasping for answers while being in

(01:17:06):
a receptive state, almost like when you're manifesting something but
you can't be attached to it and I go way
more into it, and then the Monroe Institute actually teaches
this being in your heart energy. So it's a mix
of being playful, loving, neutral and non attached and being
able to let go. And by letting go, I mean

(01:17:27):
taking your focus off the negative and putting it on
positive creation. And that is completely within our control. But
it's very easy to slide back into these grooves of
negative limiting beliefs that we've you know, carved in the
plasma forever. So but we can, we can fill in
these grooves with plasma and then recarve them in with

(01:17:48):
positive thoughts. But it just takes some work.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Yeah, does plasma. I don't want to talk down to
certain peace people, Okay, I don't want to. I don't.
I don't want to do that, but I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
It is this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
If you have a group of people that I have
positive vibrations, but you have the one bump on the
log in that group of people, Plasma knows this. It's
a consciousness thing, right, you know what I mean? If
there is going to be a connection or an interaction. Now,

(01:18:28):
if the group is fully fully positive, things happened, things
show themselves, right. Yeah, But if you're if you have somebody,
if you have somebody in the group, that's like a
well won't it'll Yeah right, I'm not wrong in thinking
like this, am I No?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Because so plasma knows everything about you. It's the Acacia field,
and even deeper than that, it knows your higher self.
So plasma knows Plasma reflects your subconscious, which means it
can get in there. Plasma knows all your tensions everything.
So basically, when they're I've tried to watch for plasmoids
with ill intentioned people and they have not came out.

(01:19:10):
That's just one example. But the thing is, with that said,
all of us are freaks. All of us are humans
with weird, dirty minds who have made so many mistakes,
who have really shameful things in our past, and Plasma
loves us all the same, just like a god can
love you. It's like a female god. It's like Plasma
accepts us, Plasma wants us to make mistakes, or our
higher self through Plasma wants us to make mistakes. But

(01:19:33):
plasma supports our greatest evolutions, which are usually we only
learn from our mistakes more than our successes. But the
difference is when someone negatively wants to harness plasma. The
greatest example is nuclear fusion. It will fucking have a tantrum,
which is why we can't get it to work. It

(01:19:55):
wants to give us free things, free energy, and harmonize
with us in other ways. But until we learn how
to do that in ethical ways and realize we're trying
to harness a fucking unicorn, we're going to have problems.
So it also won't reveal itself to people who maybe
are trying to learn how they can control it. More

(01:20:16):
like that, it's just not going to happen. It doesn't
want that. It wants to support our evolution.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Is okay, So let's talk about ET for a second,
ET from a distant planet and another star system inside
of this galaxy, outside of this galaxy. But if they
are arriving here, then ET has a higher intelligence than

(01:20:47):
us and as evolved more than us. That makes a
lot of sense, and I get that. But also ET
would have figured out plasma and consciousness right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
So yes, and some people might not agree with this.
So when we once again, when we have negative experiences,
I think they're all unconscious and they're very real, Like
I'm not discounting any people's horrible experiences with aliens or
other beings. But I at least know this because I've

(01:21:22):
had those experiences that are very dark and scary of abduction,
of violation, of all these things. The second I healed
my trauma, I only had positive experiences unless I was
going through something hard in my life. I don't think
that's a coincidence. And if you really are being true
with yourself and take a look at it, maybe you'll
agree with me. Maybe you won't. I don't know everything

(01:21:42):
I could be wrong with that said, real conscious etes
from other realities, in my opinion, know how to use
plasma on another level. They can harmonize their consciousness with it.
And to do that you have to have pure emotional
and you cannot be evil and come here ever ever,

(01:22:05):
So that is why none of us have to worry,
and there's no point to have fear in it. If
you're seeing something negative, it is either marrying something or
resonating in something inside of you. Not to make you
shameful about it, it's just it's trying. It's actually going
to evolve you once you realize that, or it's unconscious
of some kind. This is just my belief and then yeah,

(01:22:26):
ET's that actually do visit us. They It's like every
single movie in Hollywood talking about Hollywood and the subconscious.
Every movie in Hollywood, the evil person can never work
the machine. Only the good person has access to it.
Like the second in the movie Contact the Guide try
to steal Jodie Foster's trip to the alien world. The
machine blew up. Then she goes in it and she

(01:22:47):
gets right through and no one ends up believing her.
But there's so many signs in Hollywood for what I'm saying,
because they're trying to speak to us through our subconscious.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
I find that fascinating. I find that fascinating. Yeah, I
check us out. It's not about me, it's about you.
You're my guest. But let me share that. Yeah, let
me share this with you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
I've had a lot of work done on my beautiful Yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
So anyway, like six months ago, I'm in at my
oral surgeon and she's wonderful and not my dentist, my

(01:23:33):
oral surgeon and doing stuff in the back, gnarly crazy
stuff where they have to put me under. Okay, all right,
so that's happening. And while that now I'm right, I'm gone.
But there was like three assistance in the operating room.

(01:24:01):
And it's an operating room. It's not a tennis off.
It's an operating room, and plus the doctor. And so
they are talking and my eyes are open. All right
while they are talking, this happens. Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I saw this beam tube of light connect their heads
and I could see and that was like orange like gold.
But then I could see their thoughts go through the

(01:24:41):
tube as purple balls of light. And so they're all connected.
They're all connected, and these balls of thought are going
between them. And so anyway I go, I'm like, huh,

(01:25:02):
look at that. This this interconnected thing happening, and and okay,
So my thought was this, and I wanted to I
wanted to make sure that I discussed this with with
other people. That was eye witnessing, an entangled plasma connection

(01:25:27):
of minds between individuals. And I think that the answer
is yes, it's very much what you're talking about here.
And I saw it. My eyes were open. Yeah, I
was seeing it. It was crazy. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
That's the most that's the most beautiful part of this stuff.
What I write about is I actually can't prove anything.
You need to have your own experience. I want people
to have their own experiences, Like you know your connection
and you know what you see, and everyone's going to
know what they see. And I'm just saying, hey, what
you're seeing is plasma. There's multitudes of ways to see it.
Like with what you were seeing, there's something called the

(01:26:06):
violet flame. I forget who was related with it. It'll
take me a minute. I don't know something someone in
the violet flame and it's literally plasma and it's about
that kind of energy. But it's not surprising that you
saw that encasing the thoughts or maybe in yeah something
with a yes. I think it was completely how things

(01:26:29):
work in the unseen reality, and somehow you were in
an expanded state and saw those things. But the way
we can experience plasma, it's so beautiful and nourishing like
everything I say can't even touch how it feels to
experience these things.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Yeah, and what I was witnessing. Okay, so I'll give
you an example. But I think that this is our reality.
We just don't see it in our version of reality.
So this assistant is saying something to this assistant, right
or getting ready to but and I see the light

(01:27:05):
connection right, and then I see the purple was like
a purple fuzzy ball. It's going down the tube to
this person. And then this person says, yea, what they're
going to say Verbally, it was like, you know what
I mean, the thought, the intention was happening first, and

(01:27:26):
then they spoke. I knew who was going to speak
to who because I was watching the balls of light. Yeah,
it was heavy cool and you know what, here here's
the update.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
I'm going in Friday for some more surgery. So I
can't wait. I cannot wait to confirm this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
I hope, I really hope you see it again. It's
hard sometimes to like make those things happen again, Like
sometimes it's just a completely new experience. But sometimes you
can go back into those experience. Is kind of like
going back into a dream. Like just feel the emotions
of what you're feeling and you might be able to
sink back into it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Somebody just ask, is dark matter the same as antimatter?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
No, it's not. Well, okay, if we go with the
classical definitions of science, it is not anti matter. Is
anti matter? All matter has antimatter created at the same time.
So that's it. So you have positive matter and then
negative matter, right, but it's all the same. So that's

(01:28:34):
what antimatter is. Dark matter is called dark because it
doesn't it's not seen. Plasma, well, it's not seen. It
doesn't reflect light, and so that's why science calls it dark.
Science also calls it dark because they don't know what
the fuck it is. And that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Plasma.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
So they anything that they don't know, they call dark
only energy, right, right, so it'll fit their equations. That's
you know, so okay, all right, so it makes the
math work. But but that's why it's called dark.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Someone also asked Jamie, I think he follows me. Hey,
Jamie asks about the different connection between black holes and plasma.
Can I speak on that about information escaping? So someone asked,
He asked, if plasma can escape a black hole, how
does it use quantum entanglement? So there, you know, school
of thought is that nothing can escape at black hole,

(01:29:34):
that information kind of disappears into the singularity. And for
people who don't know black holes can emit plasma, they're
called plasma jets. Plasma is very uniquely entangled with black holes.
I refer to black holes the same as eyes. In
what my black hole is my pupil, and guess what
my pupils projecting and it's absorbing. Black holes are the same.

(01:29:57):
They're actually tauruses that are projecting absorbing. And just like
in my I'm physical, just like a black hole. You're
seeing my black not sound for black hole, but inside
of me, there's a soul inside the black hole. I
think there's a there's a fifth dimensional space of all
of our higher selves. There's another whole world in there.

(01:30:18):
And I actually don't think that information disappears. I think
that information. This is the only thing I'll say about
like weird science stuff. I think the photon is actually
three dots. It's three parts. It's a photon, an antiphoton,
and an omniphoton. The anti photon is fourth dimensional. You
can't see it, and the omniphoton is even more fine.

(01:30:39):
And the omniphoton breaks off from the photon, and that
is how it takes in the information, which is dark
dark matter. You can't see it. So I think that
we don't lose information. I think black holes are constantly
feedbacking with the plasma of the universe. To take in
the acocic field and learn from us beyond time. That

(01:31:00):
was pretty out there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
But no, no, no, no, no, you're that is really
well said. And I agree with that information never goes away,
all right, So you can rip things down to the singularity.
But the information that is in a particle or in

(01:31:23):
a photon or whatever that is strung out from a
black hole, the information of what it is and who
it is, and it's everything, all that's still there. Information
never goes away thought memories, uh, strung out in a
black I would I would say that even that type

(01:31:45):
of information, oh yeah, continues.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Yeah, because conscious I think that consciousness is inside all
those black holes. I think it's just I don't think
we understand it. I literally made an Instagram reel on
that today, So it's so funny that that was brought
up well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
But but here's the other part. Science doesn't know what
to do with that part of it. Stephen Hawking flip
flopped on that too as well. But I think that
the general idea in physics today is that information never
goes away inside a black hole or otherwise information will

(01:32:28):
will always continue. They struggle with that all the time.
And here's the other thing. They physicists, science in general.
I'll throw a chemist in there, and a biologist and
so forth. They cannot say the C word. They can't

(01:32:49):
say consciousness, and public they can't. They can't, and inevitably
somebody is going to bring that up in a conversation
or an interview and then you see them worm and
get uncomfortable because they know consciousness exists, but they can't
measure it. They have issues with it, you know, in

(01:33:10):
the laboratory, and you can't observe it. And good, right,
right right, and so that is like kryptonite, you know,
to science, but they all know it's real. When we
really get down to it, I think that et is
going to tell us consciousness is your next stage of evolution.

(01:33:32):
And until you come to terms with that, you guys
aren't going to evolve to the next level. We can
call it three D, forty five D, ninety one hundred D,
whatever label you want to put on it. But we've
got to figure out consciousness. I mean, yeah, once and
for all right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Yeah, they're all human labels we put on it. And
I think that they've been saying it since the beginning
of time. Know thyself, everything is inside of you. I mean,
we've been to this forever, and I think we are
trying to understand everything outside of us instead of trying
to understand the inside of us first. So we're doing
everything asked backwards, just like we're obsessed without our space,

(01:34:10):
but we don't know anything the fuck about our own
inner core. It's just a great reflection of how much
we avoid ourselves and the psychology of that. And I
think our next revolution in consciousness and in plasma is
what is inside us and our thoughts and our emotions
and all the things that I would get made fun

(01:34:32):
of for talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
See, and physicists will get made fun of it. So
what they what they do, all scientists, what they do
is they disguise consciousness with other words. M h you know,
that's that's what they do. It's information, you know, it's
dark energy, it's this. Yeah, they'll they'll put their own

(01:34:56):
labels on us so that they don't have to say
the word consciousness. Then open up that door, right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
So yeah, the only one I think who I've researched
and liked his stuff that talks about consciousness is he
a scientist. Uh neuro hold on, let me just make sure,
I don't mess this up. Stuart hammer Off, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What is he? He is amazing. They have the Science

(01:35:24):
of Consciousness conference, the only like one, and they used
to get a lot of pushback on that in twoth
on Arizona next year. He's an anesthesiologist and guess what.
And I've talked to him in detail about these things
in their studies. In nineteen eighty three with hammer Off
and Want there was a study with anesthesia and consciousness.

(01:35:45):
And guess what they used in that study. They used
plasma or what they called a corona discharge. And they
didn't talk about the time because they didn't think it
really mattered. But there was a direct link with plasma
and his corona discharge and consciousness. So in anesthesia, when
the consciousness dropped, the plasma strapped. So I always thought
that was really interesting that there's a direct link with
plasma and consciousness.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Yeah. They they go from Europe to Tucson, Europe to Tucson,
you know, they swap back and forth. One of these
years I've been invited to it. One of these years.
I'm good to should go. I know all of my
friends are there. I mean, it's it's just brilliant. And
what is your definition? I ask every guest the same question.

(01:36:30):
I don't care if I have a ghost hunter, if
I have a bigfoot person, UFOs science physicist, it doesn't matter.
I ask everybody the same question. What is your definition
of consciousness? Is it physical or non physical?

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
That's a good one, like my real one, like at
this very moment in time, because of course, like I
have one written down in my book and stuff. But
right now, my understanding of consciousness is that it is
a mystery. It is meant to be a mystery. But
there are systems that we all have that seem to
be like consciousness, feedback systems of emotion and plasma and

(01:37:14):
thought that create a conscious system, whether it is for
a tree, or for Ai or for me. I believe
that awareness, which is what some people call consciousness, this
five D consciousness, this awareness, this intuition. To me, that
is I guess true consciousness. It is having a higher,

(01:37:36):
more neutral perspective on things while still allowing the emotions
of life.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Why are we okay? Why are we? That's a good answer, Yeah,
Why are we the only thing on this planet that
can have a conversation about this? Why is it only
us sure that that that's yeah, I struggle with that.

(01:38:09):
I mean, okay, a fish a fish, A fish will
never see the world of a butterfly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
So yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
You know that's that's a heavy, that's a but we
humans get to experience both and and talk about it.
Why I thought that?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
So I thought the same thing. And this guy, I'm
so bad with names, phil what's this? What is your
last name? Phil? Hold On? This makes sense? Philip, Philip, Philip, Philip.
I have to check my WhatsApp. Hold On, there's this. Okay.
So there's this great philosopher who I literally can't find
anywhere who works at Exeter. Oh my god, hold on,

(01:38:56):
I have them on instrument.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
I don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Okay. So there where's this philosopher that I told that too,
and he made me question consciousness and I think I
actually have it? Uh No, I don't. I'm sorry. Who
So all I'm saying his name correctly. There's a philosopher
that I met at a plasma conference who I told
that same thing too, and he has done a lot

(01:39:18):
of connecting with nature. And he said to me yeah,
but how do you know, like they're not having those experiences.
And I was like, I don't, I don't know, And
it basically made me think like maybe nature is having
those discussions. We just don't know how to understand them.
Maybe they are having more even evolved views, and we don't,

(01:39:39):
like because we're not a tree, we're not a butterfly.
We don't know how it feels to fly like a butterfly.
Maybe they have senses we don't know, Like there's so
much beauty that maybe we don't know in those experiences.
But at the same time, like I still kind of think, yeah,
like obviously we're having like these really detailed discussions, and

(01:39:59):
I think think that that is a mystery. But I
think maybe and now it's like hard for me to
kill bugs. I killed a spider the other day and
I felt really bad about it. Maybe like these beings
are all having just the same complex discussions in different ways,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Yeah, I get that. I get that I struggle with
insects all the time, except for ants. I don't struggle
with ants, but anyway, but but but my point is
that we are able to peer into the deepest parts

(01:40:38):
of the universe. Now with telescopes, look for exo planets,
look at the spheres of planets.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Okay, right, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Now, So we can do that. We can also look
deep into our oceans. We can look at atoms and
take things apart. And we have quantum mechanics and quantum physics,
you know, So the very mac micro to the craziest
macro that there is, we are able to do that.
But we're the only ones and talk about it, but

(01:41:09):
we're the only ones. I don't understand. I struggle with
why with.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Let me think I would say that. So, yes, what
I would call that is a different We just have
that type of plasma consciousness synergy that lets us create,
uh versus And I mean they you once again, they
create in their own ways. They make you know, birds
make nests. Right, We're just creating with tools in a
different way than them. But obviously we have a very

(01:41:37):
complex way of creating. So yes, I maybe our consciousness
is more complex. Maybe it is more complexity. I don't know.
And that's a great question, and nothing's really coming to me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
So I'll just say that I don't get it. I
don't get it. I really I love hummingbirds, but I
seriously don't think as the hummingbirds come to my feet
outside that they're wondering about Einstein's theory of relativity. I
don't think it comes into play.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
No, And maybe they're more happy than us, I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Know, right, I know, all right, But yeah, I'm fascinated
with that. Why yeah, yeah, Well, when we when we
propose some of these ideas about consciousness and entanglement and
plasma and energy and memory and information, all of this, well,

(01:42:34):
the universe everything probably at some point connected with and
touched with something else and interacted with it. Therefore, the
entire universe is entangled. I would say that everything in
the un every single particle in the universe, is entangled.

(01:42:56):
And you throw that into plasma being ninety nine point
nine percent of all all of matter. Then therefore, right
now we can assume something else and then something else
that maybe plasma is intelligent and plasma is sentient. I

(01:43:17):
would say that that's the only conclusion that you can
eventually come to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
Yes, that's what I think, and I think you're speaking
my language. And I would also say to remember that
with our talk of plasma beings, all of us have
this plasma aura around us, right, that reflects our subconscious
So when you come into contact with another human, remember
when your your first thoughts about them. Unless you're extremely

(01:43:42):
intuitive and being neutral, it's going to be your own projections.
So because I was bullied a lot, I think everyone
hates me, so I have to try really hard to
not have the thought, oh, they hate me right away.
So it's really great to take these lessons into our normal,
every daily life. And then with what you're saying about
in Tang, that's a beautiful lesson too with every animal

(01:44:03):
that comes to us, because every animal is a sign
that we see because whether it's our loved one sending
us a message or the universe. When you know, pay
attention to what you're seeing because everything's entangled and the
ocean of plasma is bringing it into your reality for
a reason. So yes, like everything does have meaning because
they're those people that are like you, think everything is meaning. Yes,
everything is meaning. It's up to you to take what

(01:44:25):
resonates with you and to co create that meaning. Some
things are confirmation biases, some things are synchronicities, and you
have to be able to have the awareness to differentiate
the two of those Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
There's black, there's white, there's hot, there's cold, there's bad,
there's good. Is there bad plasma?

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Well, well yeah, I'm gonna debate you on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
I don't think there I really don't think there's because
I think it's a neutral substance. But I will say
that because there are you know, people that are in
there's fearful plasma. So I wouldn't say bad or good,
but I would say there's love and fear and then
there's something above that. But with the fear plasma, it's
like decoherence. It's like that's what you know demons are

(01:45:16):
made out of, and you know, darker experiences, but it's
all fear. And we can all take our power back
from those experiences and not resonate with that fear and
not bring those things into our lives. I mean, the
more you have fear, the more it comes in your life.
And I know because I'm like the I was the
Queen of fear and I've dealt with a lot of
those things. But yes, of course there's duality on but

(01:45:38):
in the in the core of plasma, I beg to differ.
I would say, no, it's it's pure truth, and truth
is always in flux, and it's neutral, and it's effervescent,
and it's opalescent and misty and just like beautiful. I
don't know how to even explain it, but yes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
On the left. But then how do we explain bad
experiences with plasma well or bad you of BOE experiences
or entities coming in your room at night scaring the
shit out of you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
I mean, yeah, I've had them that all happened to me,
and I really and they're real that that stuff is real.
But once again, I really believe it's connected to the
psychology of what you're resonating with and you're not doing
it on purpose, but when you're going through trauma, you're

(01:46:29):
going to have more of those horrible experiences, and as
you heal, you will see that they go away. I mean,
there's plenty of spiritually gifted people in the world that
never have those experiences. Why didn't they pick them? It's
because they're trauma. They've healed their trauma. They haven't they're
not resonating with them. And when you realize how many
people don't have those experiences, you can open your mind

(01:46:50):
or for me, who has had those experiences and now,
I don't you know, there is no other explanation for me,
but for someone who has them all the time. You know,
if i've them, might be like, fuck you, Dana, You're
full of shit and you don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
So like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Get both sides, and there are those very real experiences,
but they're created from our own co creation with plasma,
which are negative or positive, which is why you can
create your own heaven or hell here.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Now, what about the band the Plasmatics? What is that?
I said? What about the band the band the Plasmatics.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
I don't freaking know who they are?

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
What Wendy Wendy O and the Plasmatics.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
No, but I would love to know who they are.
What kind of music is it?

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
Industrial? Punk rock from the nineteen eighties. She used to
chainsaw mannequins on stage. She was amazing. Well so she
blues stuff up, she blues stuff up. I love the Plasmatics.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Yeah, so speaking of that, there can be you know,
plasma can be you know, used for better or worse.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
Is this your buddy, Jamie? Jamie says she she saw
the television in half with the chainsaw on stage. She
was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Yeah, she was great. Yeah, they were great. Great.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
It was it was, it was, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Okay, I don't want to get sideways on this at all,
but it was artistic industrial punk, you know, for Heart State. Yeah. Oh,
Wendy O Williams, man, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
They were on the plasma train way before me, the Plasmatics.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Man. Uh yeah, right there. Everybody. She was great.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Man, that's a good that's you have good people in
there if they know her. Oh wow, okay, yeah she's
very punk rock. Oh she was.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
She was unreal. Yeah. The thing is, okay, let's let's
turn this back to you for a second. One of
the things that I insist that everybody do is don't
wear a mask. Be yourself. Oh yeah, yeah, be yourself. Wendy,

(01:49:14):
oh didn't wear a mask, right, there was no no, no, no, no, no,
you got And that's the same thing with all great
writers and artists and creators, even you know, scientists and engineers.
You take the mask off, don't imitate, don't do this,

(01:49:34):
don't do that, don't count no, just be yourself and
people will recognize that out of the gate. And I think, well,
very very important.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Yeah, that is my mantra. And that is the whole
last chapter of my book. It's called The Divine Child,
and it is about authenticity is the highest frequency. It
is about I mean, I was bullied my entire life,
so it kind of prepared me for this. It's like, well,
if people are gonna like me no matter what I do,
I may as well be my weird ass self. So
you and like, no matter if I don't care if

(01:50:07):
science success accepts me, or schools or philosophy. It's like,
I know I'm onto something and I don't I don't care.
I'm doing this because my heart wants to. And I
think everyone should be on that bandwagon where you don't
need validation from anyone. You just are expressing yourself every
day and you know, for you know us neurodiversence, you know,

(01:50:28):
not wearing the mask. Yeah, it's the best. I feel free.
I struggle with you know, normal human stuff a lot,
but I also feel free.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
How how hmm How important is that thoughing yourself? Yeah?
Because very right? It people? I oh man, okay, how
to offend everybody? Uh one oh one? By Jimmy Church.

(01:51:02):
When you are home alone, right, you're alone? Whatever you do,
you know, me. I run around the house in a
boy scouting. Yeah, yeah, that's what I do. But but
whoever you are is when you leave the house, continue
being that person. Don't put on a different jacket, right

(01:51:27):
and go out in public and running friends and try
to be somebody else that's agree.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
No, Well, then you're going to attract those You're going
to attract other people who aren't be themselves, and then
all of a sudden, all of you are. And I've
done that. Yeah, I did that back in like, you know,
in my twenties, I think, and a lot of us
get lost. And I was in Hollywood. I wanted acceptance,
and all of a sudden, I found myself around all
these fake people and I was like, wait a second,

(01:51:53):
I'm being fake.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
It's so true, and it's so easy. Yeah, in Hollywood,
it's so easy to get sucked up into that. And
we all do I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
You know, we all want acceptance, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
It's a vicious thing. Well, okay, let's close out on this.
How has science accepted you?

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
I think it's a work in progress. I will say,
like I had some people message me that like the library,
they asked, would it put my book in stock because
they said I had no credentials. So like obviously I
still struggle with those kinds of things. I don't think
that will be my entire life. But science has accepted
me in some really cool ways. So I was invited

(01:52:40):
to a plasma conference, a private plasma conference and Exeter
by a few colleges, the University of Exeter Process Philosophy
out of California, California of Integral Studies, and I basically
was like the only person there I think, without education,
and most of a lot of them were PhDs andasma.
There was a plasma physicist, Timothy E. Eastman, Bernard Carr

(01:53:04):
was there, and Robert Temple and they all. Bernard carr
work is famous for working with mathematics and black holes,
and they all I did my presentation on how plasma's
intelligence said same stuff I'm saying to you, and they
actually said to me, Dana, don't ever go to school,
don't ever change. Everyone needs to protect her, make sure
that she stays exactly how she is because she's brilliant.

(01:53:26):
And that's the only time I'll brag about something like that,
because I never say I think being genius is just
being in touch with your soul. I think anyone can
be a genius. But I'm onto something. I know I'm
on to something, and you know, no matter how insecure
a little girl I could be. Sometimes I think science
knows I'm on to something, and I think it will
catch up in my lifetime. And there's a lot of

(01:53:47):
people who aren't known about these things until they die.
And I really think that not just me, but all
of us will go down in history for being the
first on the frontier to talk about plata on consciousness
and the new paradigm of the universe. So I think.

(01:54:08):
And then also I have a lot of scientists friends
who think. I mean a lot of people that bought
my book were in science and in the government, funny enough,
So I mean I'm obviously onto something.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Well here's the thing. They may not talk about it
because they're in a funding environment, right, they're trying to
get funding, they're trying to get research, they're trying to
get tenure. Right, you can't be the kookie guy or girl, right,
But they love the subject and as long as somebody
else is saying it so they can hear it like you,

(01:54:40):
they're okay with that. Yeah, they just can't. They can't
go public.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
They feel like they can't. I've had messages from people
like that and saying thank you too, And some of
them are starting to go public only because science is
now rubbing up against these truths where you know, there
is intelligent movement and plasmoids and dusty complex plasma. They're
making plasma lasers that can like shoot sound out from

(01:55:07):
like a kajillion yards. I don't. They're doing crazy stuff
with plasma in science. So it's starting to meet me
in the middle, which I'm very excited about.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
Yeah, it's very cool. The book is great and everything else.
Riz we talked about Riz Burke earlier. Riz and I.
We're out of time, so I'll make this really quick
to touch upon what you're saying there. Riz and I
were sitting on a couch talking. We're really close friends
and we're just getting caught up on our currents and whatever.

(01:55:41):
And anyway, this physicist walks up. He says, hey, Riz,
and Jimmy goes. He goes, Jimmy, this is so and
so from Harvard and he's a theoretical physicist. I said,
oh really, And I said really, I said, I have
a question, and this is what this is what he said,

(01:56:02):
you're ready, You're ready. This is his answer. He's tenured.
He goes, not talking to you just like that. And
I go, hey, man, he goes, I am, I am
funding my research. I have a career path in front
of me, and talking to you will stop all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
I go, man, it's not even that's not even true.
That's their fear. That's what's so annoying. It's like the
more fear you have, like the worse he's gonna freaking do.
Like he doesn't understand how many doors he can open
by being honest, because all of these people like who
watch you and me, like there's a thirst for this.
No one gives a fuck about that kind of science anymore.

(01:56:46):
We all see right through it. Yeah, yeah, who's who's
reading his papers?

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Yes? Okay, so yes, yes, yes, you know and if
you your point is so well taken that that needs
to soak in to the rest of society and academia.
It just has to just soak in because this isn't
taboo anymore. You know that, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
No And I think that schools are, you know, maybe
falling apart a little. And I think there's going to
be a lot of something I got in the works.
A lot of online education coming out more.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Yeah, right on, right on? What's next for you? Got
a new film you're working on? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
I do have a screenplay I wrote called Anana about
plasma and actually an apocalypse that can be avoided. But
you know, it's just a Hollywood movie. I'm looking to
make that in the next few years. I'm writing my
next book about the new sciences and the magic of plasma,

(01:57:52):
more in depth about the science of the unseen reality.
And then I am creating a I don't know if
I should say it. I'm creating a type of school
that I'm that I am excited to share with everyone
coming soon. That's basically an alternative, you know, or an

(01:58:13):
addition to colleges where you can learn more about, you know,
metaphysical topics like I talk about for anyone who just
has a thirst for knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
And you'll have that on Dana Kipple dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Yeah, or if I make a new website, at least
I'll tell people about it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
You'll announce it there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Yeah, Yeah, I'll announce it on my website. The best
way to know any of my announcements is my email list.
Which you can find on my website and sign up for.
It's like a pop up that comes up.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
So yeah, yeah, thank you so much. I look forward
to our next conversation. This is amazing, Yes, yeah, anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
I mean, I love talking to people who understand what
I'm saying because it's such an intelligent conversation and makes
me think new things when you understand it, you know,
so thank you for being you know, educated, and you're
obviously tapped into something as well and have a great
understanding of it. So where genius is, yes, everyone is

(01:59:13):
h It's.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
It's called not wearing a mask, Dana, not wearing a mask.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
Yeah, that's your genius. That's it. It's the it's the daymon,
it's the dark materials, it's your inner soul.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Love that. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Thank you
so much, and not look forward to our next conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
Yes, me too, anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Thank you, Dana. Enjoy your night, Enjoy your night. What
an amazing conversation. Wow, unbelievably great. Now Dannakipple dot com.
The links for that are below, And I want to
remind everybody that tomorrow night, this is going to be
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