FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Dr. Diane Hennacy

Tonight, researcher Dr. Diane Hennacy joins us to discuss the #1 Podcast in the world... The Telepathy Tapes!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:34):
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This is Day to Black.

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It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
All right, good evening, how you doing, How you doing?
How you doing? Kick it off another week here on
Fade to Block. Today is Monday, October sixth, twenty twenty five.
I'm your hos, Jimmy Church. Let's do this Mayana. Yeah, traditions,
we have to keep traditions going around here. This week

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on Fade to Black Tonight, doctor Diane Hennessy is with us,
and uh yeah the telepathy tapes Tonight on Fade to
Black Tomorrow night, Text Wesson is here, dog Man and Bigfoot.
Wednesday night, well it's my birthday. Yeah, well my birthday
is on Friday, but uh, we're gonna celebrate on Wednesday night.

(01:58):
I've got a bunch of special guests that Michelle has
booked in. As a matter of fact, one of my
special guests for the first time ever on Fada Black
is my producer Michelle. Yeah, Michelle's going to be with us.
And I've known Michelle for a long time, ten years
and never been on the show. So it took my

(02:20):
birthday to get her on the show. So there you go.
So that is Wednesday night. Thursday, we are off air.
I am traveling to do some TV production that I
do every single month, so we have a short week,
but a great week, all right. Now, I want to
remind everybody that I do have seven events coming up

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in twenty twenty six. First up as the Conscious Life
Expo February twenty through the twenty third, twenty twenty sixth
at the lax Hilton. This will be my twelfth or
thirteenth year hosting this event. Diane Hennessy's going to be
there too as well. The biggest conference in the world,
all right, and so much fun. So we'll see everybody

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there in February. After that, it is the Sedona Ascension
Retreat March twentyth through the twenty second and twenty twenty
six in Sedona, Arizona. After that, it is the Contact
Modalities Expo May first through the third, twenty twenty sixth
in delav in Wisconsin. I'll be hosting that too as well,
and I'm going to speak at that event too at

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the Delavan Lake Resort. After that, I come back for
Contact in the Desert May twenty eighth through June first,
twenty twenty six. Tickets on sale next month on Thanksgiving Day.
Then I head south to Peru for the Inca Celebration
of the Sun the Winter Solstice that is June twenty
third through July first, with Brian Forrester. I come back

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from that, change the underwear out of my suitcase and
turn around and head over to the UK for the
Monty Python Tour of Scotland and that is August first
through the ninth. Hosting something like that is an honor
and a privilege, and it is bucketless stuff going down.

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And then I go back to Peru and Easter Island
in November of twenty twenty six with Brian Forrester. The
links for everything that I am doing are below. Now
before I bring Diane in huge announcement earlier today started
with texts coming in on my phone and then I

(04:31):
started to see the breaking news Rush. That's right, Rush,
Geddy Lee and Alex Lifson are coming out of retirement.
They're going to do a reunion tour next year. And
it's like, wait a minute, well, who's playing drums? A
ha ha Jeff Bexell drummer anaka Niles. That's right. And

(04:53):
I saw a post today there's going to be at
least one woman at the Rush show. Wow, she's amazing.
And Geddy Lee announced today he said, man, it's a
nearly impossible role to fill that of Neil Parrot. And
he's right, and the whole world is watching that announcement.

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But it's Anika. It's going to be amazing, huge news today.
You know, if you're in the music world, that is
ginormous news, especially if you're a Rush fan like I am.
All right, so I thought i'd get that out of
the way. I'm excited. I'm excited, all right, man. I
have so much going on in twenty twenty six. I
hope I can see Rush tonight. Diana Hennessy, Diane Diana,

(05:41):
it's my daughter's name. It just came out that way.
Diane Hennessy is with us We're gonna be talking about
not only her groundbreaking work, but we're going to talk
about telepathy and the Telepathy Tapes tonight. We're going to
do a complete deep dive on every angle of this.
I've talked about it many times on the show. I

(06:03):
have listened to the complete series of the Telepathy Tapes
now probably probably six times, maybe seven. She's a neuro psychiatrist.
She's a neuroscientist and a former Harvard faculty member with
a private practice in Oregon right now. A Johns Hopkins
trained clinician and award winning author. She has worked internationally,

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including with Sir Michael Rutter studying autism in nineteen eighty seven.
She's an expert in PTSD and co creative programs for
Survivors of Torture International and the Mecanalist Women's Center. All
of that and much more, We've got a lot to
talk about tonight. Her links are below, and I would
like to welcome back to Fate to Black the one
and only doctor Diane Hennessy. She's right there, Diane. What's

(06:49):
going on?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah? So much. I don't even know where to begin,
but you and I are going to be a lot
of things together, I know, right, yeah, yeah, our paths
are going to be crossing, like you know, back and forth,
back and forth.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well, you know, I love and you we you know,
we've done stuff together. So you know how I am
when I'm at these events. I love it, you know,
I love it. I love getting everybody. Uh you know, right,
I like I like that part of it. But here's

(07:26):
the other thing. And you're a part of it. The
speakers and the presenters. We're all family, you know, we
do this a lot together, and so it's an opportunity
for all of us just to go and hang out
and and see each other and and do things. And
it's just it's like vacation for me. It's work, and

(07:46):
it's a lot of work, but it's it's so much fun.
And you were right there with it. We had a blast, didn't.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
We We had a blast.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I thought to myself, and I'm going to throw you
under the bus right now. I'm such a fanboy of yours,
but I have to I have to be objective, right,
I can't let that show. But I let my emotions
get away from me with you at that event. And
I'm just just just so proud of the work that

(08:16):
you've done and everything else. Now can I you dropped Powell?
You've dropped Powell and is there a story behind that? Okay,
can you talk about it?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Of course, okay, what happened? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well? Okay, So, first of all, I've been divorced for
well over twenty years and Powell is my married name.
But I became famous within you know what I was
doing then under the name of Diane Hensey Powell. Patient
saw knew me under that name, and you know, my

(08:55):
daughter was still young and traveling. You know, when you're divorced,
it's easier if you just have the same last name.
You don't go through the same kind of scrutiny, you know,
taking a minor across you know, the borders, you know,
and I was taking under different countries and whatnot. So
I kept the name Powell. But the deeper that I

(09:15):
dove into understanding consciousness and a lot of that has
been working with indigenous people that really see the names
is significant. In fact, they will let a child go
a year without a name because it's so important that
you have the right name, because every time you say

(09:36):
that name, you're evoking whatever the meaning is of that
name and the frequency associated with that. And so the
deeper I went into understanding consciousness, the more I was like, oh,
I started looking at what's a meaning of names? Okay,
you know, and so my first name, you know, it

(09:58):
is easy, you know, dying and you know, Diana, goddess
of the moon, goddess of the hunt, describes me perfectly.
The moon is associated with the mind and emotions. And
it's reflective, right, it's reflective of sun light. Right, It's

(10:20):
it's so, and it's it's the it's the it's the
bright light, the most dominant light of the night. And
the night is the time when we do our deepest
journeys into the unconscious. And so so for my mother,
you know, to say, you know, first name, Diana, you know,

(10:43):
it's like, yeah, okay, makes sense. My middle name when
I was born was Marie, and Marie of course is
you know mother Mary. It's also Harry Magdalene. It's you know,
it's it's basically the divine feminine in the Christian tradition.

(11:04):
And then my last name when I was born was Hennessy.
And when I looked up what does that mean, Hennessy
means descendant of Angus, and Angus was the Celtic god
of love and poetry?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Is it Hennessy also a Scotch.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
But no, it's it's an Irish name. It's one of
the oldest, if not the oldest Irish name there is.
I do have. I am scott Irish.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Okay, But Diane Marie Hennessy. What a beautiful name.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's a beautiful name. But when I growing up in
the Midwest, when I got married, and I got married
at a very young age, you know, it was like
I adopted my husband's name and I took on Powell,
and so I kept Hennessy. That dropped the Marie. And

(12:01):
when I looked up, when I became more aware of
consciousness and names and how important they are, and how
when people speak your name they're evoking that consciousness. When
I was like, well, okay, you know, so this is
what Hennessy means, and this is what Marie means and Diane,
but what does Powell mean? And when I looked it up,
I saw that it meant descent, It meant servant of

(12:26):
Saint Paul.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Oh is that right?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
And I'm like, I, how the hell did I exchange
my last name being a descendant of a God of love,
for a servant of Saint Paul, and.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Get rid of Marie right right right.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Divine feminine. And I was just like, no, I was
born with a name in which all three names had
a divinity that I was in resonance with. And I
was just like, I, do you feel different?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Do you feel different now that you've changed?

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I am. This has been a process of me trying
to drop the last name Powell because people still insist
on calling me Powell, you know, because that was what
my book was published under. That's it, you know, and
I'm really really trying to change that. That's why, you know,
my institute that I just created, the Hennessy Institute, is

(13:27):
you know, it's like it's another attempt to drop the
name Powell. I want to be called Diane Hennessy. And
and so I realized that it's a cognitive dissonance for people,
you know, but it's an important cognitive dissonance for people
to make, because what I think is going on right
now is that I think that we are seeing the

(13:50):
emergent of the divine feminine, and it's men are not
excluded from the divine feminine. Okay, how I define that?
Divine feminine is that which is life supporting. And I
see that the answer to the patriarchal systems that we

(14:12):
all know have been toxic for humanity is the divine feminine.
And so by my switching my name, I'm making a
statement that, yes, time to enter into the age of
recognizing how important that is. I mean, when you look

(14:36):
at people.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Like, it's a powerful it's a powerful statement, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
It's it's a very powerful statement. And I'm doing it
at the expense of, you know, a lot of confusion,
and maybe I don't sell as many books or whatever.
It's made my life far more complicated. But I'm doing
it because it's a statement about how important it is

(15:03):
that we pay attention to language, and how important it
is that we pay attention to our ancestry, and how
important it is that we pay attention to are we
supporting that which is life affirming versus that which is

(15:24):
that you know, and you know, I define that patriarchy
as you know, it's not about you know, political parties
or this or that. It's it's about are you about controlling?
Are you about dominance over nature? Are you about you know, force?

(15:44):
You know, exerting force rather than you know.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well, the universe runs that way. The universe runs balanced.
It runs balanced.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
And so what I think is happening is is that
we're seeing a restoration of balance. We're coming to the
end of an age at which this patriarchal system has
had us out of balance, and it has been very

(16:18):
you know, oriented towards left hemisphere of things, you know,
analytical logical, you know separation, you know you know that,
you know scientific objectivism, you know materialistic reductionism, and this.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Man, Okay, I just I just peed on myself a
little bit that was loud. While you're fixing that. Uh,
let me make this. I just want to say this
real quick, addressing what you're saying. I was hearing from everybody. Jimmy,

(16:58):
have you checked out the Telepathy tapes? Have you checked
out the Telepathy tapes? Started reading about it, and and
and it was just coming at me from all directions
and from a lot of people that I respect, but
also fans. And I'm watching it on the on the
on the podcast listening listening. Wow, Okay, the Telepathy Tapes

(17:21):
sounds interesting. I'm gonna check it out. I really didn't
know and so I put it on. I'm in I'm
in bed listening to it in the dark, like a
lot of us listen to podcasts. And I'm starting episode
one and and I'm getting settled in pull up my blankie,
and then I hear these words and joining us is

(17:48):
doctor nanc Powell from her home and or what? My
eyes popped open, like I know her what? And so
that got my attention, right, Okay, well my attention was
already there, but now you're so it allowed me to focus, right,

(18:09):
It caught my attention and I busted through all of
that and all I could think of over that week,
and we'll address, you know, the tape as we move
along tonight, was what is that like? What is that like?

(18:30):
To go from one situation to the biggest podcast in
the world. I've got to ask her, right, So I
asked you about this privately a couple of months ago,
but now I'm gonna ask you very publicly. You've been
researching this subject for a very long time. Were you

(18:54):
surprised at the attention that it got from the rest
of the world, just like you're pointing out where the
world is starting to change? Were you surprised by the
attention from the planet on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, I was only because of the fact it took
the damn long. You know. When when I first started
doing this, I thought, wow, you know, this is amazing,
you know, and I'm you know, and I'm going and
presenting it at scientific conferences and I'm seeing people's jaws drop,
and nothing was happening, and nothing was you know, except

(19:37):
for the medical board taking my license, why then me
getting it back, you know, but nothing positive is happening,
and I was just like, so, I was more surprised
back then it why is it that people don't get it,

(19:57):
you know, And and then the surprise was that now
finally people get it. So there's been a huge shift
and receptivity to this. And I, you know, I would
have loved for it to have happened earlier. You know,

(20:20):
I'm grateful that it's happened now, you know, better late
than never, But but I was more surprised that it
wasn't happening back then, given who I am, what my
you know, my credentials are, you know, the the controls

(20:41):
that I had done experiments under, you know, the way
that I mean, I was surprised that it didn't get
the reaction back then. But you know what, I think
it has to do with the fact that everything happens
in divine timing.

Speaker 6 (20:55):
For sure, it's all the journey, and so it was
it meant to happen back then, it was meant to
happen now, and that is the result of it happening now.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I feel that gosh, you know, I mean, you know,
I'm at an age where you know, I would be
retired normally now.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
And yeah, yeah, for sure I was. I don't know
if it was. It was around episode three or four,
and I'm listening in the dark, and I got up.
I turned on the light and I stood up. I'm
going to use a bad word, but I'm just going
to do I'm going to say what I said to

(21:44):
myself out loud. I live alone. And I stood up
and I went, this shit is real, right and and
and so I got up and I paced around it.
This is a four am kind of thing. And my brother,
my other has him and his wife have an autistic

(22:05):
non verbal son and he's probably three years around three
years old now, and uh q kid, And I thought,
I need to call my brother. I need them to
listen to this. I didn't and and I didn't want
to ask them about telepathy or I didn't want to

(22:28):
preload it, right, I didn't want to. I didn't want
to go there. But and then the next day, in
my excitement, I rethought it. And this is my question.
I decided not to call my brother. And the reason
is they are going through what they're going through the

(22:48):
school system getting them, you know, and and and doctors
and things and groups and support and you know everything
that they're going through. And it's a lot of work,
you know, for it's it's it's not work. It's it's
a change, you know, you know what I mean. Life
is a bunch of challenges for them. And I thought,
what if I got false hopes up and it didn't

(23:13):
work out that way with it? I didn't. I decided
to back off. Is telepathy like this with parents and
children very common? And is it more common with autistic children?
And should I have called my brother and given him

(23:34):
the heads up?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, those are a lot of those are several different questions.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
But very important stuff. All of this was going through
my head.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
You know, it's all important. It's all important. Okay, So
let me say that first of all, telepathy Israel I'm
not sure I have different. Until I can complete my research,

(24:06):
I can't say whether or not all of the kids
who are non speakers are telepathic. But I have a
suspicion that we may be all we may all be
telepathic when we're born, and that what happens is that

(24:26):
we get indoctrinated against that, and that when we acquire language,
that we the telepathy goes underground. That's a really strong
suspicion that I have. And so a lot of these kids,
they lose their language early on, and you know, right
when they're acquiring it, and they just retain the telepathy, okay.

(24:49):
And I think that telepathy may even help us to
acquire language in the first place, because we're tuning into
what our parents or whoever's around us is thinking and
saying it at the same time, and we're associating those sounds,
those patterns with the meaning that they have as more

(25:10):
of the proto language. You know, think of it as
like that, you know that you know there's that there's
a language that predates language, that is really what's behind
language that we use to express it.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Here's I'm not sure if it goes away, though.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
It may not. It may not go away. It may not,
And so it depends upon the degree to which you're
conditioned to you're trying to fit in. You know, if
you're trying to fit in, that you're conditioned into believing
that it's not possible, or you see that it doesn't
get reinforced, and language gets reinforced, you know whatever it

(25:55):
you know, it goes underground, okay, But a lot of individuals,
increasingly it's not going underground. It's still there, it's just
not spoken about. So that's one aspect of things. Another
thing is that a lot of these individuals who regress
and lose their language, they're not only telepathic, they're highly intelligent.

(26:21):
And I think that they could retain those gifts and
also regain speech. And so what I'm doing is I'm
not just interested in telepathy and these other gifts that
these individuals have. I'm also interested in how can we

(26:45):
help them to fulfill their highest potential.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I was with Dahlia and Leedu last weekend, ye and
I'm with a group of people and Dahlia and Leedo
come walking up, hey, you know, and so I introduce
her to everybody, the both of them, and I turned
to Ledu, and I said, and this is see, this

(27:12):
is where not only do I agree with you, but
they adapt into another way of communication. There's a lot
going on up there, but they have a lot to say. Right,
And so I said to Leeu, I go, do you
remember me? She goes yep. Verbally she said yeah. I said, okay,

(27:36):
remember my name, and she grabbed the card right and
tapped on Jay and everybody that was standing there went ah, right,
and she tapped out Jimmy. Now that is she's got
a lot to say, but the only way that she
can get it out is by tapping it. And she

(27:58):
did it like this though, right, wasn't I didn't have
to say okay, it starts no no, no, no no,
and the lights are on, you know what I mean.
It's absolutely incredible to see that.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Absolutely. I mean this is not a statement about you know,
you know they're intelligence, Okay, you know, but what it's
what's missing is a cable between their ability to take
what they're thinking and have it connect with their mouth

(28:36):
and they're able ability to speak it. Okay, I'm not
going to.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Make light of it. I'm not going to make light
of it, but I personally have that challenge every night
on the show.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, I mean, you know, and so it's sort of
like it's like you're missing that cable, but they but
they can do it through pointing on a letterboard, okay.
And what I'm doing with these individuals in my work
with them is trying to help them to be able
to express it, build that cable. Okay. And with lyddu

(29:14):
she has more speech now than she did when I
first met her. But it really is about, you know,
that wiring in the brain that is connecting the thinking,
the thought with the expression of the thought. And so
sometimes they can express it better through typing. And this

(29:35):
is one of the things that we know about autism.
I mean that, I mean this was one of my
first insights into this was when I heard an interview
with Donna Williamson, who wrote the book Nobody Nowhere. And
she was the first autistic individual who was able to

(29:57):
express what her inner world was like. And it was
because she was more functional than a lot of individuals.
And when we first got laptops, she was able to
she had her own computer and she could type out
what she was thinking, but she could never say it,
and she typed it all out and sent it to
somebody and said, tell me what's wrong with me? And

(30:19):
the psychiatrist said, oh, you're autistic, and and and then
she was in an interview with somebody in anpear and
they were they would ask her questions and she could
not answer the question directly. She would type the answer
and then read the answer. So she she is like

(30:40):
that that she could she could do my thoughts to
typing too. I can read what I typed to, now
I can speak it because I can speak what I read.
I can type what I think, but what I can't
do is speak what I think. Right, It's like it's like,

(31:05):
you know, and if you just think of it in
terms of well, that's just that's a connection there that
most of us take for granted. But as a neuropsychiatrist
in understanding how the brain is wired, and I'm like, yeah,
that makes sense. I mean there's all kinds of quirky
connections like that where somebody and you find the workarounds.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, the motor connections aren't there, but that doesn't mean
that the brain isn't learning and evolving and maturing. Have
you seen the movie I don't want to get sideways
into this, have you seen the documentary.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
King Gimp, King Jim.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Gimp, King Gimp. No, Okay, it won an Academy Award.
You can write it down King Gimp, especially for your work,
you would really enjoy. This film came out in like
nineteen ninety eight and Daniel the subject of the film,
who I eventually became friends with. But as a documentary

(32:00):
film crew, I'm going to make this very brief. I
want you to watch the film and then shoot me
an email after you watch it. A documentary film crew
shooting this documentary at this preschool. He is wrapped. He's paralyzed,
neck down right and can't talk. So they have him

(32:22):
swaddled up right in a blanket on the ground and
he would roll around. He was like three years old,
four years just top, but he would roll around. He
couldn't walk, but he could roll right. And so the
documentary film crew picks up on this. The documentary film crew.

(32:45):
He's three years old. The documentary film crew follows him
all the way through the graduation of college. Okay, documents
his whole life from that moment. What they found was
he was a genius and there was an accident that
happened the teachers who are doing some math, you know,

(33:11):
with some other students on a blackboard, and he's like,
writes it out. I got this what you know, what's
going on? He goes, Man, he says to them, he
writes it out, taps it right.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
I understand everything.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Right and now. And so that's the focus of the
documentary went from these other you know to him. Watch
that documentary. He's one of the most amazing fine artist
and painters in the world now. And he paints. He's
got a little head thing that he has with a brush.
He's paralyzed, but he can dip the brush and then

(33:51):
his work is incredible. Daniel Kaplinger is his name, and
look him up. He's absolutely incredible. Goes back to your
or point, right, we cannot dismiss because there's motor issues
that this isn't here. The same emotions, the same wants
for love and acceptance and communication and and friends and family.

(34:16):
It's all the same as you and I, you know.
And that's that's the thing where I get choked up.
You said earlier to me, Well, yeah, but Jimmy, you've
got a rough side to you, right, you know, I
do I write a Harley, But man, my heart is big,
and I see stuff like that and lead to oh
my god, you know what a special, special, special person.

(34:39):
And I'm just glad that the world is now starting
to pay attention to this. It's not just you and I.
The Telempathy tapes really elevated the awareness of this.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
Yeah, you know, you know, and I must say that,
I mean some of the biggest hard people I've known,
people that write Harley, you know, I mean, you know,
maybe there's some kind.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Of correlation there, you know that you know that which
attracts you to that, you know. I when people get
to know me, they realize that I am so non judgmental,
you know, I just care about people and I and

(35:23):
I really am very heart centered, even though I you know,
I'm you know, I've got a brain, you know, and
people know me for you know, my intellectual you know,
accomplishments and whatnot. But you know, it's it's when you
combine that with your heart, right that you really are

(35:45):
able to tap into truth. You know, It's not just
a concept, you know, and it and it has more
impact on people as well.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
We have to get there if we're get to ever
matures as a species as earthlings. You know, I think
that we're we're still teenagers. We're like twenty years old.
We're at that age where we're not quite adults and
have accepted responsibility. Yet we're still getting our yah yahs

(36:19):
out as a as a race. But we're almost there
where it's time to get serious about this planet.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
And well we're almost at the midlife crisis.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, I know. Right. What is telepathy? And I think
it's a misused word. People want to understand and and
speak about telepathy, But what is teleopathy? What's your definition?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Well, I mean telepathy, you know, it's really just mind
to mind communication. Yeah, you know, how is it that
you know I can just send whatever it is I'm
thinking or feeling from my mind to another individual without
having used some kind of communication.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Is there a language barrier? What if somebody doesn't speak
English and they only speak.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
There's no language barrier. That's the thing that true telepathy
is independent of language. I mean, these these children that
I've been researching, I mean, what's remarkable about them is
that they can be with somebody whose language is not
their own language and they can they can still get

(37:49):
the message.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
As a neuroscientist, how do you think that works.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Well, I think that that there's a proto language. I
think that there's by proto I mean, you know, prior
to language, there's something deeper than that as a construct,
that is what the language is trying to express. Think
about how inefficient language is to express certain concepts. How

(38:19):
often do you have a concept that you're like, well,
I can't think of the words. But this is the thing, right,
you can't think of the words. What if you can
transmit that and it's not language dependent, right, you know,
you're just transmitting that. And I think that that's actually
what preceded language. And what's happened is is that because

(38:44):
we have adopted languages the form of communication, it's almost
like adopting tunnel vision.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
You know, Well that makes sense, though, that makes sense
before language, we'd back this up one hundred thousand years.
Right before language, you had to communicate existence for the day,
time to get up, time to hunt, I'm hungry, I'm sad,
I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Our ancestors were communicating.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
All the time exactly. That's it almost.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Communicate and it is not because they studied language in school,
and and so there's a proto language that what happens
is is that that exists, but we don't even pay
attention to it because we've been conditioned into believing that

(39:42):
unless it is language as described you know, your ABC's
and your you know, and forming it into words and
reading words and and enunciating those words and this, and
that you know that, that you're not communicating.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh, I get it, trust me, I get it. I
get it.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
And there's no evidence that that's the only form of
communication occurring. And you know, think of all of the
animal species that communicate with one another. They don't have that.
But also just think of the communication that occurs, you know,
for go back one hundred years, you know, you really
think they weren't communicating with one another.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
No, they had to go of it. I was driving
down the road a couple of months ago here in town,
driving and I see this up in front of me.
It's middle afternoon daylight. I see in front of me
what looks like a black moon, Like the moon is there,
but it's black. I thought, wow, look at that. Okay,

(40:51):
and that's interesting. What is that. I wasn't thinking UFO
or anything, but it just was strange. I thought maybe balloon, okay,
but it was black and it was right above the
road right in front of me, so I'm driving towards it,
and then it burst. It was a flock of birds,
and I watched them do all these crazy things in front.

(41:13):
Now we've all seen videos of this, right, it's fat,
but I'm watching it myself, and all I could think
about was, how are they doing that? How is that happening?
Where this geometric right coordination of of of shapes is happening.

(41:35):
And they're all they're not using hand signals, they're not
yelling at each other, they don't have a playbook, right,
how is that happening? Well, that is exactly what you're
talking about. That is another form of communication that is
truly nonverbal.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, exactly exactly. And so these these children who verbal
communication was just disrupted in the very beginning of its development,
they just stay in that proto pro language communication style.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Did you have telepathy with your daughter? I do. I'm
going to tell you right now. My daughter and I
do weird stuff all the time. I love it.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Well, I've had I've had it with more than just
my daughter, you know. But I mean I've never done
the kind of things that I do with these children.
You know that I'm testing their abilities. You know, I've
never done the you know, you know, random six digit number,
you know, and you know kind of thing. But I

(42:45):
mean when my daughter needed me as an infant, I
knew it before. I mean I knew it. I just
I knew it. I would I would go into her
bedroom and I'd be there before she even let out
a I'd wake up from my sleep and I'd just
be there. Or you know, there are many times not

(43:07):
only with my daughter, but with animals of mine that
you know, I had the privilege to have in my
household that you know, adopted me as their mom, you know,
you know, but I did.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
I think all parents they can deny this that they want,
that's fine, But you know I knew when my daughter
was in her bedroom drawing on the wall with crayons.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, but you know, you you know, because you care,
you know, and maybe the level of caring was like
I really that.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Wallally caring what.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
It mattered to you.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
You have your little radar out, you know, for you know,
I don't I.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Trust this kid. You know, she has a little twinkle
in her eye. You know, she just look a little
you know, whatever it is, there's a radar where you're
picking up what they are thinking, you know. And I
I've had those with with my with my daughter, I've

(44:20):
had it with my dogs, my cats, I've had it
with my patients whatever where I just I know what
they're thinking, you know. And it's not necessarily like word
for word, but the essence of it is totally there.
And I don't think there's anything mo about that. I

(44:41):
don't think it's paranormal. I think it's the natural state
of being in connection. I think that we are interconnected
with one another. And and a lot of that interconnection
is because we feel bonded and you know, and whether no,
it's that we feel binded because we're part of the

(45:03):
same flock, you know, like the birds that are flying together,
and the school of fish that you know are together,
or the family members that are together, you know, especially
in ancestral tribal times, you know. But it's like, you know,
how I feel about my daughter, how I feel you know,
my you know, my animals are part of my you know,

(45:23):
they're part of my tribe, you know. And I and
so I think that there's something about that that social
and and this is not just a new idea with me.
I mean you know, this is something that other parapsychologists
have seen, is that social bonds seem to be conducive. Two,

(45:48):
this kind of knowing what the other is experiencing or
thinking or feeling.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Well, professional medical circles, academia, they are all experienced seeing
themselves what you and I are talking about. They know
that they know the bond that they have with their
kids and their pets. They they don't want to discuss
consciousness and they certainly want to push back in this

(46:16):
world of telepathy and parapsychology. Why is that? Why did
they push back when they're experiencing it all themselves in
their own lives.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Well, well, I think a lot of it is because
the model in which they're trained to think about consciousness
or you know, the brain and you know how it
all works, is that it's impossible, and so they don't

(46:48):
they don't have a framework for it. And that's one
of the So besides doing the work that I was
doing with these autistic individuals looking for really compelling evidence,
I've also been working on a theory for understanding, you know,
how these things are possible. And that's what my next
book's going to be about. My next book Wired for

(47:11):
the Impossible is going to be actually putting in scientific
terms what I think is happening. You know why, I
think this is possible and it really is science based,
you know it's not. And people who've attended, you know,
some of my talks and whatnot, they see it and

(47:34):
they go, wow, you're right, this stuff is possible, and
that changes everything because people need to have a framework.
People have cognitive dissonance if they if something just doesn't
fit in with their version of reality in terms of
how they conceive of it. You know. But once you say,

(47:56):
well did you ever consider this and you reframe it,
they can go, oh, okay, now it makes sense. And
then all of a sudden, all those things that they
were excluding because it didn't make sense become possible and
you're expanding their reality.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Well they want I'm not putting words or thoughts into
every single academic or scientists or researcher, but in a
general sense, I'm not wrong. They are only comfortable in
what they can measure, observe, quantify, and repeat and unless
it goes to that level, they don't have time for it. Right,

(48:37):
So how do you set up how do you set
up those kinds of protocols acceptable to this.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Well, that's the thing that's so beautiful about the theory
that I've been working on is that it's scientifically and
mathematically based, and the autistics that I do research with
can reliably reproduce the evidence. So it's like you've got

(49:07):
the reliably you know, reproduce evidence at a storin they
can set, you know, to an extraordinary degree that most
people who are highly intuitive and psychic could never do. That.
That combined with a theory that it helps to explain it,
that's got mathematics behind it, that's got that that's in it,

(49:31):
that is in total, that's totally compatible with neuroscience, cutting
edge neuroscience and physics. And that's what I've been working on.
And and I feel that I have found like these
different threads and I'm just weaving them together and and

(49:54):
and it changes everything because it makes it permissible once
you realize that, yeah, it's not just that I've observed it,
it's that that fits with science. It's not I That
was the whole purpose of my first book, The esp Enigma,
was to say physics from one hundred years ago, more

(50:16):
than a year ago. Now you know, it says this
stuff is possible. It says that how we think we
reality is, how we perceive reality is an illusion compared
to what it actually is. And then and then I
was talking about how you know, well what okay, So

(50:36):
if physics doesn't say it's impossible, vect says it's highly likely,
because you know, how we perceive time is you know,
an illusion, and and and you know how we even
perceive space or matter. You know, all of that's an illusion.
And then and then you look at and and that
you have things like chaos theory, and that it shows

(51:02):
you that just a little change over here is going
to impact all these and that shows you everything's interconnected.
If just a small little change here is going to
affect everything else you know far away, and you know
in string theory with all the extra dimensions. And then
if you really understand what dimensions means, that then that
means that, wow, you know, you're only seeing a small

(51:24):
slice of reality, you know. And then you look at
you know, how narrow our range of perception of you know,
whether it's vibration you know, which is sound, you know,
or electromagnetism, which is light. You know, we're only perceiving
a small perception, you know, small segment of the whole

(51:46):
thing that's out there. And we know that we're living
in a sea of waveforms that can contain information. And
so so you take all of that and then you
look at neuroscience and you're just like, oh, neuroscience, you know,
it's an inplete model. It can't explain consciousness, can't.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
You can't. As a matter of fact, that form of physics,
especially the quantum and the theoretical stuff, is more woo
and crazier than anything that we talk about on this show, right,
and and it's truly, honestly, it is truly a belief system,
more so than religion. You can't the comment we nobody's

(52:29):
nobody's seen anything at the quantum level. But we have
to trust and believe what science is telling us on
the that these equations on the whiteboard are saying this, Well,
you know what you're asking for my belief and trust
in what you're saying, because this doesn't make any sense
to me. And that is a belief system.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
It's entirely a belief system. And so so once you
start to realize that, you know, and it's a leaf
system to say that the brain creates consciousness. That's a
huge assumption, and we can't explain how it would create consciousness,
but we know it does, you know, you know. And

(53:15):
so it's just like there's so much of this that's
like based on beliefs. And so what I'm doing is
I'm saying, let's get down to what do you experience?
What do you know from your first hand experience? And
the reality is is that science can explain those experiences.

(53:38):
We don't need to discount them, and and we just
we need to view them as that which should be
informing science, rather than science dismissing them and giving you
theories that just don't fit anything that you can relate to.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
I mean, it's like so backwards.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Sean Carroll, you know, one of the great physicists, one
of the great minds. I like Sean most of the time.
He said last year, he does a once a month thing.
Asked Sean anything, right, ask me anything, And pretty much
any physicists out there is if you're up against something

(54:23):
like that, somebody's gonna ask the question, Okay, so what's consciousness?
It's gonna happen. It happens every time, right, okay, and
they squirm. This is what Sean Carroll's answer was to that.
All right, I'm gonna paraphrase, but this is what he said,
Just like that, I'm not gonna waste my time on

(54:48):
something I can't see. That's his answer. That's his answer,
you know. And the other problem that I have with
that that you just touched upon, and then we'll roll
into a break. I'd love to hear your answer on this.
If chemists and biologists and scientists are so comfortable in

(55:10):
saying that the brain creates consciousness, that consciousness is from
the physical and it's a chemical reaction, why can't you
measure that If that's the case, right, that that you
have everything there in place to set up some lab experiments,
if you believe in what you're saying, that that's the problem.

(55:33):
It's like a paradox. And I don't think that they
really hear themselves. They're just too uncomfortable with something that
they clearly don't understand.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely absolutely. I mean, you know, what
what's happened is that so many people they don't realize
they're just parroting what they've been told dogma. Yeah, I

(56:07):
mean to some extent, it's it's dogma. But to some extent,
it's just sort of like you know, the it's just
they're they're not thinking that, they're that, they're just they're
just saying.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Because you went through the same academic processes as everybody else,
at what point did you decide to break with the system?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Oh? Pretty early on. I mean, I don't know. There's
something different about me. I think that's one of the
reasons why I started to studying consciousness in the first places.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Something different about me, and I want to figure out
what's different, because I just saw that how other people
were and how I am and not the same, you know,
because I just don't.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Fall into pre programmed sets. You know, I'm I'm much
more independent than that in my in my in my
thinking process, and so there's definitely something different about me.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Did you say pre program sex.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah, pre program sets?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Oh, sets, sets sets. I thought you said s E X,
which which is the same thing. Actually, if you if
you think about it, well, where does uh where does
consciousness reside?

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Then well, I don't think. I don't think consciousness has
I think that's the wrong question, okay, because I don't
think consciousness has a place, if you know. I mean
that's thinking from this sort of like you know, three

(58:07):
dimensional way you know, of reality, where it's like consciousness
has to reside somewhere, like where where does the cloud reside?
The cloud, the computing cloud that we're using, you know,
to you know, for all of our computing. Now, where

(58:27):
does that reside?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I have no idea everywhere?

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And and so so you know,
where does God reside? You know, if there's a god,
you know, it's like it's everywhere, and you know, you know,
it's everywhere all at once, right, you know. And so
it's like you get into non locality. Once you get

(58:53):
into non locality, it's telling you that it's wrong to
even ask where is it? And that's what's so profound
about these abilities that some of these autistics are showing us,
is that their suggesting consciousness doesn't have a locality, that

(59:15):
that's the wrong question to ask. And it's hard for
a lot of people to wrap their heads around that.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
The ignorance that we have when it comes to anybody
that we don't look at as equals, which pisces me
off right, And so you and I, if we were
around this is the ignorance, not you and I. But
let's say a couple of people are around somebody that

(59:43):
is autistic, right, nonverbal, and you want to comment and
say some kind of bullshit statement like they'll never get
relativity right, and they take out that letter board equals
mc square, space and time are the same. You know
what I mean? I understand relativity, don't don't you know?

(01:00:06):
That's that's it just makes me angry.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
They may understand it better than most.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
That's my points, right, That's exactly my point. Let's take
our break right here, Diane. You stay right there, fascinating
conversation tonight, we're going to do all of it. We
are going in around and above and below and inside
the telepathy tapes and all of her research. Diane, stay
right there. We will be back right after this short break.

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Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Welcome back, Fad to Black. I am your host, Jimmy Church. Tonight,
doctor Diane Hennessy is with us. We are discussing the
telepathy tapes. Diane, when are you able to measure brain
activity in a non verbal autistic child during telepathy? Are

(01:04:51):
there sections of the brain that are more active than
say my brain?

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Well, yeah, I mean it's been a really challenging thing
to do, because it's really hard for these children to
sit still. And you know, any just little you know,
even facial expressions like this are enough to give you
all this muscle artifact that makes it really hard to
get the EEGs. So it's really hard to say, but

(01:05:22):
you know, that's that's work that's ongoing. And I would
say that what I do know about autistic individuals is
that they have less of the inhibitory neurons in their brain,
and so their brains are operating much faster. It's like

(01:05:46):
it's like they're missing some of the breaks. And so
so that's something that you know, I I I know
is going on. And that's also associated with an increase
in anomalous phenomena, you know. And and they describe their

(01:06:06):
experience is that they're sped up. I mean, it's very
interesting to see the kinds of things that they that
they'll spell out and they'll just say, you know, you
guys are so slow. You know, it's just like and
but part of what the spelling does for them is

(01:06:29):
it forces them to slow down. To them, it's like
it's like if you can think of an analogy where like,
you know, maybe some of your audience have been like speedy,
you know, you know, whether it was drug induced or
you know, anxiety induced or whatever. When you're sped up
and then you have something that forces you to slow down,

(01:06:53):
that's what the spelling does for them. It's like they're
just so sped up that they that they can't that
they can't communicate and you know, and it's just like
they have to go from either that to this, which
is slower than how they're processing. But that's not how
they're processing, but that's the level at which they can

(01:07:16):
get the body to help them express it. And so
I hope that I hope that helps we have something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
We can learn so much personally with my job, I
need that I need I need I need to get
rid of some of those breaks that are happening because
I know they're there. I I work on it. I'm
always I talk about this so much. I'm constantly working

(01:07:45):
on connecting my brain to my mouth. Never say the
word in broadcast. Right. If you say the word something's
not connecting here right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Right right, You're you're asking for more time. When you
say you're you're you're wanting a pause so that you
have more time for the for the signal to come through.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
That's right, and I work on it constantly. Uh, I
almost said the word. I'm right there where I work
on substitute words for so people don't hear me say
it's it's a bizarre thing. Now I just said it.
See that's that's Isn't that strange?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Just switch it to own.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah, that's good, that's good. You know you were there
when I was on stage with Dolly and Ledu and
I wrote a question now that only I knew, okay,
and to see this happen in real time, it's another
thing on the telepathy tapes or you see it, but

(01:08:56):
when it's you me standing there and doing this, and
the question was I believe, like what what's the color
of the sun? I wanted something just completely arbitrary, right,
and that was my question. I knew the question. I'm
looking at The question was written out right, I see

(01:09:20):
and she tapped out once she hit the why in
real time? Right, this is all happening in the now,
and she typed out yellow. And what was going through
my mind at that moment, I wish I had what
Leeedu has I really do? And the question becomes readily apparent.

(01:09:45):
I think for all of us, do we all have
that gift? But we're just not in the gym exercising
those muscles.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Well, when you see you as you had what she has,
what do you mean by that lepathy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Or the ability to she? Okay, a couple of things
could have happened there, all right, all of it's magical.
Could was her mind reading what was on that card?
Is it that is her mind reading my mind for
the question that was written out? That could be to

(01:10:23):
all crazily cool? Right? But what whatever it is, that's
amazing and we see it and we think to ourselves,
that'd be really cool if I could do that. You know,
do we all have the ability?

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
I think that we all have a capacity for something
like that. But the ability means that you've developed that capacity, right,
you know, like do we all have the do we
all have the ability to play guitar? We might all

(01:11:06):
have the capacity and that we you know, we have
the We we have the you know, the fingers, you know,
the hearing the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Fat music, understand song.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Yeah, But to develop the capacity means that you have
put the time into it and and and and you
also have to believe in your ability. You have to
believe in it to put the time into it. Right

(01:11:42):
if you, if you've convinced yourself that, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
I couldn't do that, you'll never do it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
You'll never do it, or you might spend five hours
trying to do it and go, I can't do it.
I knew I couldn't do it. You know. But if
you if you believe no, I I think I have
that ability, and you realize that you don't start off
at that level of skill, that you have the capacity,

(01:12:11):
but you haven't developed the ability. If you, if you,
if you realize that and put the time into it,
then yeah, that capacity that could eventually become the ability.
And when when what happens with individuals like lyddu who
have their ability to communicate short circuited, they find a workaround.

(01:12:38):
They have a strong incentive to develop an alternative ability
to do what they would have been able to do
through this other means.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Yeah, maybe you know, maybe she didn't know the question.
Maybe that has nothing to do with it. Maybe she
read the answer. I suspect you know what I mean.
In my mind, I want to see yellow and that's

(01:13:11):
what she tuned into. Right. That equally is cool? By
the way, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Absolutely. But the point is is that what you're asking
is you're saying, I want to be able to know
what somebody else is thinking. Right when you say, you
really wish you had that ability or to communicate, yes, yes, yeah,

(01:13:39):
And so what you're wanting is this ability to communicate
in a way that is that's before language, that you
don't even need the language. And there's lots of reasons
to believe that we all do have that capacity. It's

(01:14:02):
just that it has been so programmed out of us.
Our educational system doesn't teach it. We're taught that it's impossible.
I mean, there's so many strikes against it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Too many distractions too as well, too many distractions today.
That started with you know, it didn't start like with
the internet. It started in the industrial age. You know,
as soon as these things started to happen, that the
mechanical side of our mind started to take over and

(01:14:35):
the we let go of the consciousness side of things
because we were so focused on technology. The wheel, you know,
all of these things that came into play, the printing
press and all we just lost sight of it. We
just lost sight. And here's the other thing. Let's let's

(01:14:55):
we're going to stay on the subject, but we're going
to take a little bit of a right hand turn.
We all enjoy being part of a group. We all do.
We all do it, whether you're going to a nightclub
or you're having friends come over to play Dungeons and Dragons,
whatever it is, right, we all want to be part

(01:15:17):
of a group. And then we have the hill. And
when that came up, I'm in the dark, man, I'm
in my room with my blankie listening to that part
of the telepathy tapes. Oh my, and absolutely purely fascinating.
But we all want to be a part of a group,

(01:15:39):
and that's what they want, the same things, and they
have it. They have the hill. Fascinating. What is the hill?
For those that don't know what I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
About, Well, so, first of all, it's not a physical place.
It's a non physical realm that I believe is a
state of consciousness that if you if you achieve that
state of consciousness, and you could think of that state
of consciousness as tuning into a certain frequency, you know,

(01:16:15):
you know, tuning into you know, being able to tune
into a certain radio station. Okay, then when you tune
into that, the only other individuals who can who you're
going to be interacting with are the ones who are
also tuned into that as well, right and and in it,

(01:16:37):
and it has a certain protection because the barrier to
being there is your state of consciousness. So so it's
like it's like an exclusive club. And so one of
the ways of thinking about it is that there's all
these different levels of consciousness and and and we all

(01:17:01):
form we're all in harmony with those that are at
the same level of consciousness, and and so we're all
kind of and and there's a tendency to migrate towards
being in the level of consciousness that with others that
you're that share that same thing. And it's like there's

(01:17:22):
a does that make sense? I mean to me, it's
it's so it's so obvious and and I but but
you know, if I need to express it more in words,
you know, I will. Well, but but but the things
I noticed is that people who are operating out of
a similar level of consciousness tend to gravitate towards one another.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Right, And but you said.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
It was layered, you know, and and and so it's
it's layered. And the hill is this really highly highly
highly evolved state of consciousness, which is a state of
consciousness that a lot of these non speakers are at.
That there's a certain almost Buddha like quality of them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
And you started off by saying, the hill is not
physical because it's a noun and it describes what we
all know is what a hill is, right, amount of dirt,
it's a hill. But to have them call this place
where they hang out the hill was brilliant because we

(01:18:35):
can all relate to that. Right. It's a gathering place
and that's where they are going to hang out to
see friends, to see friends, to communicate.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Yeah, yeah, the hill. You know, it's interesting because the
hill is an archetype right right, right right, you know,
and you know, you know, just like that, I'm a
descendant of the sister of John Winthrop, you know, and
John Winthrop talked about the shiny city, you know, and
and the hill you know, and and and and as

(01:19:09):
a you know, as a beacon, you know, to strive
towards it's like you're you're striving towards the top of
you know, the top of it, you know, an apex, right,
you know, all of these gurus and you know, and
Eastern traditions. You know, the guru is sitting on top

(01:19:30):
of the hill, right that they go up on the mountains.
They want to be physically in an elevated place because
that's associated with an elevated state of consciousness. And so
there's this physical representation of it, but there's also the

(01:19:51):
representation of it. It's also symbolic and but there's also
this sense when you do physically go to the top
of the hill, you have a perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
That is formative too for them to visit. I mean,
it's just it's a hangout, right for them to visit
are are are they in a subconscious state? Are they sleeping?
Or can they do this at any point of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Some of them do it when they're sleeping. Some of them,
I mean lyddu does it while she's walking around, right,
and you know, she likes to do it at night
when every you know, everybody's in bed, you know, but
she's walking around doing it, so she's not sleeping. So

(01:20:53):
it's a one of the things that I find so
interesting is that a lot of the individuals who contact
me talk about this ability to have what they call
split consciousness and where they can be here and there
at the same time. And there's this one individual that

(01:21:19):
I want to do some studies on, you know, who's
a speaker. But he's autistic, but he can literally he
has a split screen, okay, and in which in his
left hemisphere, you know, his left visual field, which is

(01:21:40):
associated with the right hemisphere of the brain, you know,
because there's a crossing, you know, between you know, the
visual field you know is you know, it's what I
see off to my right is actually my left hemisphere,
you know, my left eye, you know, and vice versa.

(01:22:01):
And he sees in his left hemisphere with less visual
to the field coming from the right hemisphere, he sees
the imaginable space, and he can he can design things
and manipulate them and do all kinds of things with them. Well,
on the other side, he's experiencing this reality at the

(01:22:23):
same time at the same time, and and he can,
he can. It's kind of like Nikola Tesla, you know,
in terms of his ability to manipulate, you know, you know,
come up with a design and manipulate it and experience
it and and so anyways, so and he can sometimes

(01:22:46):
have everything be taken over by what is you know,
he experiences it's the imaginable realm, or sometimes it's all
you know what is more of the consensual realm. But
he can also experience the split screen thing. And and
I've had I've had patients and met several of these

(01:23:08):
adssts that say that they can have the embody the
experience of seeing things through their eyes from this perspective
that I'm seeing things, But they can also be simultaneously
having the experience as though they're outside of their body
and seeing everything from you know, from up there as well,
three hundred and sixty degree view and so so, you know, consciousness,

(01:23:33):
We most of us experience it as a unitary thing
where both eyes are working together to create a binocular
view of you know, what reality is, but not all
individual has experienced it that way. They can have like
it's like having more than one TV, you know. I

(01:23:56):
ever go to, you know, a sports bar where you're
watching two work shows at the same time. That's the
reality is more like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Fascinating. When did you first become aware of the hill?

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
About three years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
What happened? What happened? I can only imagine what seriously
imagine what you thought was might be going on? What happened.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Well, I was I was down and I was down
in Atlanta. That was when I met John Paul in
Houston for the first time, and that's when they told
me about the Hill and how they would, you know,
connect with other autistic individuals there, and described it as
this very ideally place where they could connect with all

(01:24:50):
these other non speakers from all around the world and
it was guarded by angels. And then it was after
that that I found out that other individuals were also
referencing the Hill without having heard about the Hill from Jonathan,

(01:25:10):
I mean, John Paull and Houston. And so what's interesting
is because I've been doing this research for over fifteen
years and I hadn't heard of the Hill until three
years ago. But I think it's not that the Hill
hasn't existed for a long time. I think it's that

(01:25:33):
something has shifted where they're now talking about it. This
is one of the things that's also been profound is
that in talking with these artistics is that they've hidden
certain things from telling their parents or other individuals because
it was like it was like it was either too

(01:25:57):
you know, no, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Their private club's own business.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
You know, maybe it's that their private club. You know,
I'm okay, I'm okay with that. It's like, you know,
you're a teenager. You don't tell your parents what you know?

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
You don't, man, you got your secret spot with you
and your friends.

Speaker 10 (01:26:14):
Yeah, so some of them could be that, you know,
I mean, some of it could be that, you know,
they're realizing their parents fully you know, grap you know,
grasp you know what telepathy is about the hill?

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
You know, like can you imagine you know, leader leading, Yeah,
Leado goes back to the hill. Man, why did you
have to tell them about our place? You know, Paul
getting you know, getting a bunch of ship when he
goes back. This is our private this is our hang man.

(01:26:50):
You can't let this, you can't let this stuff out.

Speaker 7 (01:26:53):
Yeah, I mean that's that's the thing is like teenagers,
you know, kids like to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
They like to have their thing that secret from the parents,
you know, and you know, so I mean I don't
blame them, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
How did they describe it? Is it? Like? For me?
I picture it as a very crowded room with a
lot of talking going on, like you're going into a
nightclub or you know, a meet and greet and you've got,
you know, a couple of thousand people in there, all
having conversations at the same time. That's what happens when
you walk into a crowded room. Is it like that?

(01:27:29):
How did they describe it?

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Oh, they describe it as really fun, you know, like
a party.

Speaker 8 (01:27:37):
But they also describe it as a learning place where
they teach one another things, you know, or they get
downloads of information.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
So it's it's a very sacred space for them. But yeah,
it's definitely a fun place. It's it's not a you know,
it's it's interesting because they can they will have Lloyd
crowded spaces in this physical reality, for sure, but they

(01:28:07):
never complained about anything like that in that reality. It's
not a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
It's such a fascinating subject for me. And the other
aspect of it is that I'm wandering in the awareness
and I'm not trying to be cavalier or stupid. I
don't want to sound like I'm ignorant. But is lead,

(01:28:34):
for example, or any other cases that you've worked with,
are they aware of how special they are to us?
Are they aware of that or do they It's just
you know what I mean, It's not that big of
a deal to them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
That's an interesting question. I mean, they will they will
write things about you know, like, you know, not me,
you know, because they don't consider me a normy, you know,
but they'll say normies. Will never understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
They do they call us normies.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
I knew they'll put down normies. And you know, they're
just like, oh, they'll never you know, and they're just like,
we won't even bother with them. But what they see
with me is that I'm able to understand a lot
of things about them. And then that's that's part of
why they trust me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Well, Lee Do and I watched Lee Do. I met
her at contact in the desert last year, right, and
then of course we were at the side games together,
all of us and two to watch a room, a
packed room like that, right, packed light up, yell and

(01:29:59):
show their appreciation. That's I'm just wondering if does it
bother leader or is she cool with it?

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Oh, she's cool with it. I mean, I mean, but
you know she does have to spend time in her
room alone, you know, to decompress from it all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
But yeah, no, she's she's she's she's remarkable. I mean,
she's just such an amazing young girl, you know what
I mean, she just turned fifteen, and her mother sent me,
you know, her, you know, sent me some photographs from
her celebration of you know, in Hispanic cultures. You know,

(01:30:43):
turning fifteen is a big thing, for.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
A big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Dressed like a princess or lotiara. You know, it was
just so beautiful to see, you know, And she's such
a beautiful girl and such a sweet spirit. And I mean,
I just you know, anybody who spends time with her,
it just falls along.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
She's just amazing. She's amazing, and I don't want to
I don't how do I say this. It's difficult for
enormy to deal with public attention. Okay, it's not easy.
It's not you sign up for the job, for sure,

(01:31:28):
but it's difficult. She's got a lot of attention. She
walks into a room and everybody is there and smiling
and wants it. And I'm just wondering if it's overwhelming
or if she's if she's she dresses like a rock star,
so I guess you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
She yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, she's really
you know, she's handling it. Unbelievably. Well, I mean when
we were at contact in the desert and the fire
alarm went.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Off, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:31:58):
And we're evacuating the room, and I thought, oh gosh,
you know, is she really going to be able to
do this demonstration?

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
And then she still did. I thought, Wow, she really,
she really is like amazing because I know a lot
of them would not have been able to do that.
So she she really is a superstar of superstars, and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
So and so are you, and so I'm gonna I'm
gonna change, I'm gonna I'm going to talk about you
for a second. How are you dealing with and have
dealt with critics?

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Oh? Well, yeah, yeah, okay, I mean, you know that's
a general question, you know, like you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Know exactly what I'm asking, young lady. How do you
deal with it? How do you deal with it?

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Well, you know, a long time ago, I realized I
had to overcome I used to be somebody who was
terrified of people not liking me, terrified of criticism. I
was such a perfectionist, and I really you know, I

(01:33:12):
went to the most elite institutions to train and you
know and whatnot and work with the best minds and I,
you know, and here I was interested in something that
I knew was very taboo, and I was like, I
have to be able to become public with what I believe.

(01:33:35):
And I really had to work on myself to be
able to go out there and say what I believe
and take all of the you know, all the fallback. Yeah,
you know, the you know, the criticism, the slander, the
this and the that, you know. And it's sad to

(01:33:57):
me that I'll see people even lye about me, you know,
even make up ship.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
We're all adults.

Speaker 8 (01:34:08):
I figured, you know, with all your you know, tattoos
and Harley Davidson and guitars, I could say the word
ship I anyway, you know, I mean, I just it
was one of those things where I was just like,
you know, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
This is too important for me to let my petty
ego be concerned about that thing that is the criticism.
It's I'm that driven to try to help shift the paradigm.

(01:34:52):
And it's not for me, it's for humanity. It's for
us to be able to think out of this box
that we're in that it keeps people locked into a
paradigm that has us feeling helpless, and the solutions were

(01:35:19):
offered are not good solutions to today's problems. And I thought,
I've got you know, I just thought, what the hell.
It's kind of like it's kind of like the same
courage it takes to say I'm going to go sky
diving today, I'm just gonna you know, I'm just gonna

(01:35:45):
do it. You know, whatever fears you have, you've got
to push them aside because this is that important. And
what I've found is that there's a certain freedom that
comes from having overcome that. And it doesn't mean that

(01:36:06):
it goes away instantly. For you know, you just do
it once and you don't. But over time, you keep
doing that, you keep you keep jumping out of the airplane,
and eventually you're just like, okay. You trust that it's
going to be okay, and you realize that you know,

(01:36:28):
even if you die in the process, that you would
it was would have been worse to not engage in
something that that was that important to you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
See, so many academics do just that. Though so many
academics do just that, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
I I that just to me, there's something inside of me,
inside my soul that was like that would have been
a death. It's a different death.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
What is it about I'm going to bring up Harvard
for a second for an obvious thing. There's you a
v lobe right now out of Harvard, right John Mack
out of Harvard. Intellectuals that believed in their research and

(01:37:27):
the data and decided that it was more the data
and the quest was more important than the pressure from
the system. What is it about Harvard? You don't hear
that necessarily from Stanford or JOHNS. Hopkins. You know Yale,

(01:37:49):
where it seems to be a lot more conservative and
everybody just stays in their lane. What is it about
Harvard that that it seems, you know, three very very
important subjects, all different by the way, Avy Lobe, astrophysics,

(01:38:09):
John mac abductions, you telepathy, but you all have one
thing in common.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Well, I think what it is is that I think
that Harvard wants people like us when we are the
up and coming stars. Okay, they recognize in us as
certain brilliant and creativity and you know the things that
make for you know, the kind of the Harvard wants,

(01:38:47):
the kinds of scientists that are going to bring attention
to Harvard as being up at the forefront of you know,
define you know that the future right, you know mits
that way in terms of engineering, right, you know, the
right across the river from one another. I mean you

(01:39:09):
very very similar kind of cultures in certain ways. And
so it's but the whole point is is that they
pick people that they see, Wow, this person is really
on the cutting edge. The thing is is that if
you are on the cutting edge, and you are able
to and you then stay with that which is the

(01:39:34):
cutting edge, and that matters more to you than conforming
conforming your reputation all the you know, So you're going
to have a small percentage of people out of all
the people that you know. So let's say they select
people like that small percentage of them are going to

(01:39:56):
be the ones that say, you know, screw you know,
I didn't do this because I wanted to say I'm
at Harvard, and I'll do everything I can to say
that I'm still at Harvard. You're willing to risk losing
being at Harvard because of that thing that that attracted
them to you and attracted you to them in the

(01:40:19):
first place. Because those of us who are doing cutting
edge stuff want to be among other people doing cutting edge.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
The only way. I don't think I'm wrong in this.
The only way to progress knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Is to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Think differently and think outside of the box. If you
think the same and stay inside of the box, we
ain't going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Well, that's exactly right. And so within the arts that's
been more permissible. And so you have these elite institutions
and are known for the arts, okay, where they were
able to just take it more and more, you know, music,
you know, Berkeley School of Music, you know, or wherever

(01:41:05):
you're talking about. The arts could go beyond that, which
is you know, just you know, the the you know,
what was the current, you know, popular thing that you know.
It's like you're taking it to the next edge. And

(01:41:27):
the people who appreciate it the most, or the other
people that are within that field because they understand it well.
Within science, something shifted within science in which that became like, no,
you're not supposed to do that. You know, the arts
can do it, but science can't do it. Well, no,
it's arts and sciences. We're both supposed to be edge.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
It stopped with Isaac Newton. I'm afraid you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
Know, we're supposed to both be pushing the edge. Right,
and and so so so what happened is is within
science that you had places where those of us who
got attracted to science and we're really good at it
just kept sticking to that and and other people they

(01:42:20):
succumb to, you know, the comfort said, well, you know,
it's I want to be chairman of the department, you know,
and that's not what's going to get me chairman of
the department, or I want to be this, or I
want to be that or whatever, you know. Or some
people they become chairman of the department, they think, okay,
now I should be able to do whatever I want,
and then they get the pushback, like John Mack, you know,

(01:42:40):
he was chairman, you know, he created the Department of
Psychiatry at Cambridge Hospital, you know, and then you know,
and they tried to remove him from tenure, you know,
because of what he was doing and there was no protection.
So with science, it's like it it becomes and this

(01:43:02):
is where the dogma comes in. It becomes it's like
you are falling. Instead of being like the arts, where
you can just keep pushing, pushing the edge and pushing
the edge, okay, in science somehow you're like it was
became more like religion, where it's like you're deviating from

(01:43:24):
the flock, You're deviating from you know, what we told
you is the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
Isn't ten You're supposed to be that security blanket though,
that safety net.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
That's why it was so outrageous what they were doing
to John Matt right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
I mean, just just imagine if Archimedes, Copernicus, you know,
Tycho Brahe Galileo decided to stay in their lane, right,
or Isaac Newton right. Just it's just it's it's fascinating
to me that so many today are concerned with a funding, environment, reputation, tenure,

(01:44:08):
security that they don't want to dip their toe in
the water. They don't want to go into the deep
end of the pool, and that's where the magic happens. Diane, totally.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
I mean, and that's the thing is that you know,
to me, it's always been clear to me that, I mean,
I became a scientist because I'm curious, and not because
I thought I'd make a lot of money, not because
I thought I'd become famous, not because it was because

(01:44:44):
I was curious, and and so you know, so that
became like my north star, you know, was what my cure,
where my curiosity led me, not oh I want to
be this or that. And so what happens is people
get seduced into the you know, the window dressing rather

(01:45:13):
than the thing that might have been what attracted to
them to it in the first place. And I think
that I think that what has to happen is is
that we need to instill in people curiosity. Our educational
system's not doing that right now. Our educational system is,
you know, just in doctrinating people into what to believe.

(01:45:37):
And what we need to do is make people inspire
to want to learn. I mean, that was one of
the gifts that my father gave me, was that I
and I think also innately had that, but he certainly
didn't beat it out of me. Was this desire to
understand or learn, Like, oh my god, what's going on here?

(01:46:01):
Isn't that interesting to see the magic in the every day?
Because every day is magical.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
I if I won the lottery tomorrow, you know what
I would do. I already know. I already know I'm
going back to college for the rest of my life.
I'm going back to school. Learning is the best thing
ever I've done. Three thousand shows. I've done three thousand

(01:46:31):
shows with people like you. Why I'm learning, I'm learning.
I do it every single night. I love it. When
I went back to school for broadcasting journalism. When I
went back to school, I was in my forties. I
was twenty years older than the next oldest person right

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of my class, right, and I would first off, I
was spending money, right, Okay, that made it more important
to me. But I was serious, I you know, I was.
And I was looking at these kids around me. They
were all wonderful, they were all cool, but they were kids,
and they were like ten percent interested in the system

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in education, much more wrapped up with friends and going out.
And then I get it. You know. I was at
age once too, but I appreciate the system. I couldn't
wait to be taught. You know. It's just fascinating to me.

(01:47:39):
How Okay, So I would come into class, we got
a test or whatever, I'm ready. I you know what,
I never in everything that I did, I never got
a question wrong, not once on anything, any any project anything.

(01:48:03):
I gave it one hundred and fifty percent all the time.
But I would have these kids come up, okay, church,
can I see your notes? From last week. Can I see.
I'm like, man, no, take your own notes. Man, I'm here,
you know, and they and I could see it. And
here's the other thing, all right, they're there on daddy's dime.

(01:48:29):
If you follow what you see where I'm going with that.
They don't have anything about me. I'm spending my own dimes.
You know, I'm gonna catch I'm gonna squeeze everything out
of it. So that's what I would do. I would
go back to college for the rest of my life.
That's what I would do.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
Absolutely. I mean, you know, I saw the same thing
and you know my psychotherapy practice that the people who
were super wealthy, you know, for whom like paying me,
you know what, but my fee was didn't mean anything.
It was just like pocket change to them. And then

(01:49:08):
the people who were like on you know, uh insurance
that paid for everything and so they didn't have to
pay anything. Those two extremes were the ones who worked
the least.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
In Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The when the students showed
me a picture of their parents' house in Montana, yeah,
it was like three blocks wide, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
So when there's no skin in the game, then yeah,
you know, it's sort of it's treated differently and and
and so what I found was that the people who
were like middle class who you know, it was just like, well,
I really need you know, I need help, and you know,
I'm willing to My insurance doesn't cover this very well,

(01:50:01):
but I'm will in it. You know, here's my money,
you know. And it really they felt it. You know,
it was like those were the ones who got the
most out of the therapy with me. And and it
wasn't because they were necessarily brighter. It was because they
had more skin in the game. And and and I
think that there's a lot to be said for that.
You know that when you went to school, you had

(01:50:24):
more skin in the game, you had more reason to
be there. And for some people, they needed they need
some experience out after high school, you know, just so
that when they go to college, they value college and
it's not just something they're doing so that they're continuing
the dependence upon the system, you know, whether it's their

(01:50:44):
parents or scholarships.

Speaker 11 (01:50:46):
Or whatever whatever it is that they're where, they're they're
just delaying adulthood versus there there they're there because righting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Responsibility, yeah, yeah, you know, versus that you're there because
you really figured out what you want to learn something about.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
And you know, and and you realize there's somebody, you know,
this is somebody who can teach me a few things.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
I wanted to ask you before we run out of time.
I know it's not necessarily in your wheelhouse, but I
know you've got an opinion right now, right now. Yeah,
we're gonna find well, I guess I'm gonna find out
the hard way, right see. You got to take chances.
What what were we just talking about? Got to take chances?

(01:51:34):
Right now, we've got this object three I at Lias,
you know, coming around from the sun. Au Vy Lobe
has made some pretty controversial, uh opinions on it based
on data. Uh, but the world is it's got the
world's attention right now, and I've watched a few of
the mainstream media networks out there comment on it. What

(01:51:59):
do you what do you think it is? And if
it is something artificial, can the world handle it?

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
Yeah? Well, I mean, you know it's so so I have,
you know a couple of different opinions about it, because
I mean I don't I mean I don't have any
inside scoop on it. But so one possibility is that
it is, because it's definitely different from anything that we've

(01:52:29):
heard about before. Okay, there's just no question about it. It.
You know, it's it's moving towards our solar system along
the ecliptic. Okay, you know at you know, which is
like one five hundred chance that it's you know, moving

(01:52:49):
along that ecliptic, the same plane that of the planet's
rotating around the Sun. You know, it's moving right at
that same plane. You know, you know, that's pretty unusual.
Then then it's glowing an unusual color and its composition

(01:53:11):
is different, right, so you know that's different, and it's massive,
and it's not it's just not acting like your typical comment. Okay.
So and so the question is, you know, is it

(01:53:36):
that we've had things like this coming through before and
it's just that we didn't have the technology to observe them,
you know? Is it that we're just much you know,
because we've got all kinds of you know, we've even
got probes around Mars now that are taking pictures of
this thing, you know, So it's just like we didn't

(01:53:57):
have that, you know, twenty years ago or whatever. So
is it is it just that we're this is something
that's happened before and we now just have the technology
to observe it. Or is it something else? And and

(01:54:17):
I'm only to entertain either possibility, you know. And and
this something else is this idea that you know, there
is there is higher intelligence out there that that there
are other advanced civilizations and that we've gotten their attention.

(01:54:42):
And they're making a bee line quite literally, you know,
along to take you know, making a b line for us,
you know, and for whatever reason you know, you know,
is it that they're making a bee line because they
see us at risk for nuclear war and they have

(01:55:02):
you know that the technology to you know, to stop that,
or you know, is it some kind of almost like
humanitarian mission, you know, or is it you know, what
is it? You could you could speculate a lot. I
don't have the answers, but I think that it's it's

(01:55:23):
it's it's one of those two things. And and it's
going to be quite interesting to see what turns out
to be. And we're gonna know pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Yeah, we're going to know pretty soon. You know? What
is it? Is it like old episodes of I Love
Lucy that attracted their attention, you know what I mean,
what whatever we were beaming out and they just want
to come by and see if that is what is
going on on this planet? Is it that you know

(01:55:56):
that we have admitted enough technology out there at the
speed of light over the last one hundred hundred and
fifty years if you go back to Marconi and Tesla, right,
so one hundred fifty years we've been broadcasting out, so
that means seventy five light years away and then seventy

(01:56:17):
five years of traveling to hear whatever, you know, whatever
that may be. Is it something like that where we
lit up you know, the Milky Way enough as a
planet that we attracted the attention of something. And I
would say there's a very high probability of that. I

(01:56:38):
think that there's a lot of life out there and
they are definitely aware. This planet glows. It's a beautiful
blue gem full of life, and we're looking for the
same things, aren't we. We're looking for exoplanets every single day,
and we're looking for those techno signatures. So I think
an advanced civilization, many of them have been aware of

(01:57:00):
us for a very long time. I'm okay with that.
I just hope the rest of the world doesn't overreact.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
Well, yeah, I mean I yeah, yeah, I don't think
it's I Love Lucy that attracted them. I think I
think I think.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
That Gillian's Island was pretty good.

Speaker 12 (01:57:23):
I think you know that that it could be you know,
what we started doing, you know, during World War Two,
you know, the first nuclear testing and whatnot, and you know, all.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
That we're doing that is really really violating the laws
of nature, you know, playing God and and and and
it may be that that what we're doing in those
realms has you know, more implications than just for our planet,
you know, but it has implications beyond our planet in

(01:57:59):
terms of the you know, the impact, and that the
other civilizations are interested in that, and and and and
putting abash to it. So I think that that's that's
quite possible, you know, if that's if that's what this is,
is that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
Is the planet able to handle it?

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
Oh? Hell yeah, we we we Yeah. I'm not worried
about this at all. I'm more worried about the way
it could get spun, you know, in the media to
instill panic and hysteria and people. I think that that

(01:58:41):
that that's more problematic, is that is the way that
people try to spin things to their own agenda. But
I think what's really critical is I think that if
if this is happening, you know that this is an
advanced civilization heading here. I think it's benevolent in form

(01:59:01):
I think that it's really too uh to prevent us
from destroying ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Before before I let you go, Diane, you're going to
be we're going to be hanging out at the Conscious
Life expoat coming up in February. You're going to be speaking,
and you're also going to do a workshop. What do
you what are you gonna what are you going to teach?
What are you going to talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
Well, well, I have a theory that I'm really really
excited about for understanding you know, consciousness and understanding you
know the these like think of it this way. Think
of it as our brain has two different modes of operation, okay,

(01:59:51):
and we can toggle between the two of them, and
it's about understanding these two different forces that are how
how consciousness can operate. Okay. So in one of them,

(02:00:12):
it's this, it's the consciousness that is linear and it's
thinking and it it and it leads to sort of
entropy and decay okay, and then the other, the other
mode consciousness can actually intuition and life supporting and synchronicity supporting,

(02:00:39):
you know, modalities and really understanding. You know, those two
different modalities. You know, just like our like our computer
will have like Windows and i os. You know that
these two different operating systems that are different, and you
can have them both running on the same computer. But

(02:00:59):
how do you take those two and harmonize them? And
I think what's happening right now is that we've had
these two parallel different systems that we experience, one when
we're dreaming and one when we're awake. And what's happening
is now, what's what's happening is that more and more
people are experiencing like a merging of the two in

(02:01:23):
a way in which you can actually experience both informing
one another, working together with one another. And that that's
actually what's going to enable us to be you know,
our highest potential is for us to actually have both
the analytical and the intuitive, these two different forces of

(02:01:47):
consciousness operating. I think that we're seeing people that are
having awakening experiences, and what's creating that awakening is that
these two forces are shifting their relationship to one another
because we've been living in a in a we've been

(02:02:09):
living in an age in which things have been so
dominated by this one way of thinking and perceiving that
this other way is coming in. It's like, how do
you integrate the two of them and bring them together
to work together into a harmonious whole. And and so
it's it's it's so, it's a it's a matter of

(02:02:30):
taking you know, this this knowledge that I've come to
from just studying it as a scientist with what there's
my joy going off with what the ancient wisdom traditions
were telling us, because this is this is this is
really this is ancient wisdom with modern science backing it up.

(02:02:55):
And how do we how do we apply that because
that's what's needed right now and.

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
The analogue old technology of the grandfather clock. Just let
us know we are at the end of the show. Diane,
Thank you so much. I look forward to hanging out
with you in a couple of months right down here
in Los Angeles, and it's going to be great to
see you. Thank you so much. Great conversation tonight. Thank you,
see you soon, Doctor Dianne Hennessy. Her website and the

(02:03:28):
links are below Doctor Diane Heennessy dot com. That's dr
not Doctor. Links are below. All right now, I want
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