FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Tex Wesson

Tonight, Tex Wesson, host of 'Tex's Front Portch', joins us for a full night of Dogman and Bigfoot!!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
This Hope Radio for the Masses headline of US July eighth,
nineteen forty seven.

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The Yauni Air Force has an outstart applying the Hearty found,
and there's now in the possession of the Arda.

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The game is really changed. The game change.

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I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

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This is Day to Black.

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It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
All Right, welcome Fade to Black.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
How you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:12):
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
All right, Today's Tuesday, October seventh, twenty twenty five. Let's
do this, Mayana. Yeah, I'm your host, Hummy Church in
case you didn't know that. All right, let's get straight
to it. This week, I'm fade to block.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
It's a short week.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Last night, doctor Diane Hennessy was here, incredible conversation the
telepathy tapes. Tonight it's texs Wesson, dog Man and Bigfoot.
Tomorrow night, it's our birthday bash.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, I'm celebrating tomorrow night. My birthday is on Friday, everybody,
but I'm gonna celebrate tomorrow because I am traveling on Thursday.
I am working on Friday, on my birthday, and it's
just the way of.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
The world, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
So tomorrow the birthday bash, and then Thursday night we
are off air, all right. So I've got a bunch
of special guests coming in to celebrate my birthday tonight.
I've got text here tonight to celebrate my birthday.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
That's so cool, man, so cool.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
And Texas listening backstage, He's like, what what birthday celebration?

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah, man, it's absolutely nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
But anyway, let me get straight to it because I
got a little story.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
It was a lot of fun that happened earlier today,
and I'll get to that. I do have six events
coming up for twenty twenty six. First up is the
Conscious Life Expo February twentyth through the twenty third at
the Lax Hilton. After that the Sedona Ascension Retreat March
twentieth through twenty second in a Sedona, Arizona. After that

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the Contact Modalities Expo heading back to the Midwest May
first through the third, twenty twenty six, and Delavan, Wisconsin
at Delivan Lake at the Resort. Come back from that
for Contact in the Desert May twenty eight through June first,
twenty twenty six tickets on sale this Thanksgiving Day. From there,
I go south to Peru for the Inca Celebration of

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the Sun the Winter Solstice with Brian Forrester. That is
June twenty third through July first, twenty twenty six. After that,
come back from that turn around, head straight over to
the United Kingdom for the Monty Python Tour of Scotland
and that is going down August first through the ninth,

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twenty twenty sixth I come back from that, go back
to South America to Peru and Easter Island and that
is going down November of twenty twenty six.

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Two two two two.

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Wow, that's crazy Texas on twenty two to twenty two tonight. Wow, Wow,
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All right, all right, I want to share this story
with you today. It was very fun, it was very cool.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Today.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I was outriting my Harley and I went out my
spot a little free time and I just needed to
clear my head. So I'm out there doing that and
I pull into this parking lot at a at a
picnic area next to a lake that I go to.
And I pull in to the spot and it's empty
the parking lot except for a bike with a side car.

(07:21):
And I see it when I'm at silver and I
see when I pull in, and I and I you know,
ride past them and they wave, and so I go
back down on the other side of the picnic area,
making you turn and I come back and I stop
and I go, hey, nice bike, and he goes, yeah, man,
you know. And he gets off and turns out. This
guy's name is Steve and he's got his his cut on.

(07:43):
Very very cool, very nice guy. And I meet him
and his wife. His wife's name is Selena. So check
this out. While I'm sitting there talking, I'm looking at Selena.
She's sitting in the sidecar and I see, I guess,
I'm I don't say anything. I get that she's blind. Okay,

(08:06):
she's talking to me, but she's she's blind, and I thought, well,
that's cool, all right. So he's out there with his wife.
They got the sidecar and they're out riding around in
the desert together.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
How cool is that?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
So we're sitting there talking and then Steve says, well,
you know, and we do this because you know, my wife,
Selena is blind, and I go, are you and she
goes yes. So anyway, we ended up I'm sharing with them.
I called Dahlia, I said, you know, called up Dahlia

(08:40):
immediately and started talking to her and I told her,
I said, so, Vision without Eyes. You know the company
that she works with, you know, they make the blindfold
and stuff. I have a friend here, his name Steve,
and his wife is blind, and I want to get
them hooked up with.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
The Vision Without Eyes. She goes yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
So anyway, we ended up exchanging emails. I'm looking at
it right here. Selena just wrote me and I don't
know how she sends email. I guess is it audio.
I don't know how she I didn't even ask her
about that, But how cool is that that Vision without

(09:22):
Eyes might be able to help her.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
She can't see.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
She's wine And that was my day, you know. And
I got that set up and I said, you know,
goodbye to them, and I rode away on my bike
just smiling. Just put me in the right mood and
landed right here tonight with tex Wes and very excited
about tonight's show.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Tonight, We're going to do dog Man in Bigfoot text.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Of course, his name is tex so I'm assuming he's
in Texas.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, we're going to talk about his encounters Bigfoot, dog Man,
We're going to do that, his field and private investing gations.
We're gonna go through all of that, His Misfits team,
We're gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
We're gonna talk about the Faee. We're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
That tonight because he is a season cryptid and paranormal
field investigator with multiple up close and personal encounters under
his belt. He is the creator and the host of
Texas Front Porch on YouTube. I want everybody to go
and check that out. We've got the links for that below,
and I'm very excited to say these words. I would

(10:31):
like to welcome for the first time to Fade the
Black Tech Texa Wesson.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
There he is. What's up, man? How you doing?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
If I was any better, it wouldn't be legal, brother.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, man, you are from Texas. You are from Texas.
You are from Texas. Text, let's get a formality out
of the way. You get the first time guest disclaimer
and which I'm sure you know about, and.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
You're excited, So let's do that text.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's just you and I sitting on my couch having
a conversation as friends. And where that conversation starts and
starts where it ends, it ends. But we're gonna end
as friends, all right. Now you have to accept so
we can move on, okay, cool man.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
I was like, ah, all right, all right, first question,
I got something for you.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Though, I got something for you.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
What do you got.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
To Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday, Jimmy.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Thank you. Maryland doesn't have crap on you.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Man.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
That was absolutely amazing. Thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Okay, so let's let's celebrate a little bit. I'm gonna
go left field first.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Best barbecue Texas, Kansas City or Memphis.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
And you know I gotta go Texas. I can't now,
come on, now, you can't put me on the spot
like that. If I said anything else, I may not
live through the week. You know.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
So that is the correct answer, isn't it? And and
I will say this, The best barbecue is wherever.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I'm eating it, absolutely, you know, And I will say
this there it depends on Honestly, it depends on how
you like your barbecue. Wet, dry, spicy, sweet, you know, savory.
I mean it just and I will say that because

(12:42):
I cook competitively for several years.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
That's why that's why I was asking.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
So you know, it's man, and I don't. You don't, really,
I don't have a favorite type of barb Well, I
might be telling, but I do appreciate and like many,

(13:10):
many different styles because they all have their places.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
That's right, That's right.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
You can be sitting in now uh okay, I almost
caught myself in a fifth, so I'm gonna be straight
about this. You can be sitting in Kansas City and
have them and say to yourself, this is the best
barbecue I've ever had in my life. And and but
you roll into Texas, you know, and and you sit

(13:36):
down and man, this is the best barbecue I've ever
had in my life.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
But you can't say that in Memphis.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
And because Memphis is a dry rub. Okay, you can
get wet barbecue there, but they're they're they're bragging rights,
are this this dry rub? And you go to the Peabody,
you know, the famous Peabody Hotel and I've done it, man,
and many times down in the basement of the Peabody

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into that restaurant and it's remarkable. But it's if you're
not expecting dry rub and that hits the table, you're like,
what I order barbecue?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
You know? You know what?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
And and is that the best barbie? No, because it's
not what people associate with barbecue.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's it's delicious.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
And it's good, but it's not I want I want
stuff dripping down my arms, right, I want to mess.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
I want to mess.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
That's good unless you get a little Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
That's that's barbecue to me, that's barbecue to be.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And if you want that barbecue sauce that gets a
little sticky too, where a napkin doesn't help, you've got
to you've got to wash your hands, you.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Know, you know, and most of the times down here
you don't. You don't get handed, you know, paper towels
or napkins, we hand you wet.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Man. I love that. I love that so much.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
But you know, real quick about barbecue. I will say this,
it's because I like and and I learned this. I
learned this. This is because in cooking and competition, competition

(15:24):
barbecue is not in day to good eating barbecue. Not
how so because most of your most of your judges,
there's a certain tenderness level that they want it, you know,
because good eating barbecue fall off the bone. I mean,
come on, you know. But in competition, you want to

(15:48):
be able to just take ribs, for example, ribs. You
want to be able to take that rib both ends,
take a bite out of it and hold it up
and see the back marks. You don't want to all
fall off the ribs. That's competition ribs.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh that ain't right, No, no, no, I want I
want to I want okay, I just interrupted you. I
want to bite into the rib, have it all fall
down on the on my chin. I throw the bone
away and then I take it and then right, that's
what I want to do with the rib.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Here, here's here's the way I like my ribs. I
like to be able to take that rib bone, twist
it and pull it out bam, and you ain't got
nothing but a slab of meat hoss because and you
can go to.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Town on that.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Now, let me ask you, okay, I I don't have
a preference between chicken, pork and beef when it comes
to barbecue.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Uh yeah, it depends on my mood. We had, and
then we're gonna move on to UFOs and Bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Everybody, I promise barbecue.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
We had a world famous place you can look it
up in Pasadena called Bill's Chicken. And Bill's Chicken was
owned by this old black guy. He was old when
I met him, and kept the place running. Very famous
place up on Washington Boulevard and Lake Avenue.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
But Bill's Chicken. So this is what he would do.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Now, I'm going to make your mouth water. Just imagine
this Southern fried chicken cooked divine, all right, So that's
what we're dealing with. But when you would ask Bill
for barbecue, this is what he would do.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
He'd take a brown paper bag and double bag it.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
He would take the chicken, put it in the bag,
and then he had this big bucket of barbecue sauce
that he's making right handmade, and it's there this tub
and he gets a ladle, holds the bag right like this.
He's like this in the bag, takes the ladle and
pours it in the top of the back, rolls it

(18:04):
up and shakes it and hands it to you. Best
barbecue chicken you ever had in your life, not slow cook,
not this, not that. Just imagine that for a second,
barbecue sauce on the top of the best fried chicken
ever shook up in a bag and hand it to you.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
That sounds pretty close to heavy. It was insane.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
And he would do the same thing with his apple pie.
So his apple pie double bag, right, he put the
quarter his slicer for the apple pie was four, slice
it right, this thing pop right down on the thing.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
So you gotta yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So you got
and it was this thing. So he put the slice
of apple pie in the double bag, and then he
had this cinnamon apple sauce and he'd ladle that in
on the top, roll up the bag and handed bad.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh what a good night that was when I went
home with Bill's chicken.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
And so anyway, all right, so what do you what
do you think this is?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
It was so good man.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Here's our segue off of food. What does bigfoot eat?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
You know what? I have been asked that question. In fact,
that's probably one of the first questions I get asked,
what does bigfoot eat? Here's my answer every time, And
I know, I know it's technical, and it gets it.
Can I can run on for days about this, but
I'll sum it up for you real quick. Whatever the

(19:37):
hell he wants.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Kind of like us.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, does he ever eat?

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Does he ever eat? Does he ever eat? People?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I think it's happened.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, Oh really, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I don't. I think it's rare. But yeah, now let
me put it to you this way. Okay. Now, I
know that a lot of people out there, you have sides.
And we were talking kind of talking about this off air.
You have sides, you know. You people think that the
forest friends and and people think that some of them

(20:17):
are demonic. I mean that that those are the extremes
of of you know, the sides there. But I'm going
to tell you this Bigfoot is as different as you
and I. Okay, let's for example, let's say you're in
your little canoe and you go to visit the Amazon, Okay,

(20:38):
and you're deep down there in the Amazon. Nobody had
ever been there. You know. You spot a village and
you paddle up to that little village and you jump
out her and they greach. You're treated like they got
you on their shoulders. They're cooking, you know. I mean,
they treat you like a king, you know, and and

(20:58):
uh treat you to a feast, right, say your goodbyes,
give them some hugs. Best people you ever met in
the world. Jump in your little canoe, you paddle about
ten miles downstream. You see another little village. You paddle
up and you jump out of your little canoe and
you walk up there and you are the feast.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yep, what was that? What was that episode of Twilight Zone?
To serve man?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Remember that, Yes, to serve man. I often if there is.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Like a crazy Pandora's box that everybody has the same
thing in, it's that. What if crazy Town happened and
you were dinner? Oh, that would be the worst. Remember
how Gretel right right?

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Right? Oh? Man?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
When I was a kid, there was nothing cute about
that story.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
No, that was nothing.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
There was you know. Can you imagine? You know, so
you're no not, can you imagine? We all did? Right?

Speaker 1 (22:18):
So you're you're reading that story, your teachers reading the
story to.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
The class, right, your mom's reading.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
The story before bed, and you and your little sister
are about to be put in a pot of boiling
water with Celery's carrots and onions.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Right, It's just like, ah, you know. So, yeah, I've
carried that with me for a long time. You know.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
That's that's that would have to be everybody's biggest fear.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Well, you know, and it I mean it has happened,
you know, among us, among humans, you know.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Well with bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I mean again, this is probably the second question most
asked of you. We don't there are a few stories
out there, but does bigfoot for the most part leave
us alone? I mean, are there a documented bigfoot attacks?

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Oh? Absolutely absolutely, I know I know of a few.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Give me one.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well, I'll tell you this. There was a in my
research area, in fact, in Oklahoma, well one of my
research areas in southern Oklahoma, there is a it's still
an open case. We can't find nothing out about it.
But and this was supposedly a bigfoot that had done this.

(23:51):
There was a couple. They had been out there parking,
and it's a wildlife management area, okay, And they had
went back there and they they were doing their thing
and they didn't come home right And when they went
to looking for him, they found him and he was
They found a car and they found him. He was

(24:15):
thrown over it. Now, depending on what who you ask,
he was he was thrown over in the brush, and
he either had his he was either bent double backwards
with his head twisted around, or he just was thrown
over and bush with his head twisted around. Neither one
is a good way to end up. I'm just saying

(24:36):
now her it was brutal. She was laying spread eagle
on the hood of the car, and she had been
tore up, and she had been brutalized, I'll put it
that way. And supposedly that was bigfoot that done that.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Do you and when you hear something like that, was
bigfoot provoked into it?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
See, I think what it is. And we you hear
a lot about you know, when you see a bigfoot,
it's not the one you see you're gonna need to
worry about. You know, Like that's scene in Jurassic part
where they're where they're hunting them, them velociraptors, and he's

(25:33):
keyed in on that one that he's looking at, and
then this other one pops over here in the old
Clever Girl. You know, that's kind of the way it is.
Because but I think, and and I can't tell folks
don't take what I say is gospel or fat Okay,
I'm just I can tell you what I've heard, what
I've read, what I've experienced. That's all I can do

(25:56):
so and give you my opinion. And I'm not telling
you that my and in this fact, I'm just telling
you this is my opinion, what the evidence that I
had to draw from. Okay, So that's my disclaimer, all right,
And I may break a lot of hearts to night,
but that's all right, you know. But I will say this,

(26:18):
as far as being provoked, I've been amongst these critters.
I've had them. I've been cheeked to cheek with them literally,
and I have had no what you would call aggressive encounters.
Now I'm not saying that there's not a rogue out there, Okay,

(26:43):
that could be alone and is you know, he's he's honering,
you know, and and mhm. But most of the aggressive
what people call aggressive encounters, this is my opinion, getting
rockstrown at, you get tent pushed in, you know, just

(27:07):
that type of bluff charge it even roared at, growled
at that type of thing. I don't see those as aggressive.
What I think is happening, and this is the way
I've always treated it. I think it's there It's what
they're trying to do is they're trying to keep that

(27:27):
encounter from getting it from escalating. They're trying to tell
you to get the heck out of Dodge. That's what
they're trying to do. My opinion again, right, I also
think that, and then this, You know from my experience
that most of what we get rocks strawn at and

(27:49):
the ones that come into camp and mess with you
stuff are juveniles and they shouldn't be doing that, begetting
and I think they get in trouble for it. Now,
I'm not saying there's it's the little bitty ones. I
think that's probably a teenage you know, teenagers that are
doing that just out causing trouble. I mean, what have

(28:10):
they got to do? Folks?

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
You know. I seriously think that we are their entertainment,
you know.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
The rocks part of it.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I had BMR on the show last week amazing in
his encounter, but years ago, I'm.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Going to.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Man, I gotta go back.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
This is probably nineteen ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven,
like right in there. One of my friends also was
one of the producers on this show twelve years ago too,
as well know.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Them really well.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Anyway, we were playing golf or playing golf back in
the nineties, and something happened while we were playing golf
and the subject of Bigfoot comes up. It was thirty
years I don't remember a whole lot about it, but
he did tell the story to our foursome. That's what

(29:12):
he said. His parents, who I know, live in Montana.
Nice spread. Okay, they have a ranch, nice house, you know,
thousand acres or something crazy. But on their property is
a creek that cuts through and so during the summer

(29:34):
they had a house here in southern California, but during
the summer they would go up and stay at the ranch.
So he's up there and he said that his favorite
thing to do on the ranch when he was, you know, ten, eleven,
twelve years old, was get on his mini bike and
ride to the creek and fish by himself. So he's

(29:56):
out there, he's at the creek, he's fishing on his
parents pro and this rock lands next to him, and
he thought, this is his parent's property. There's nobody there right,
just him and his parents.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
It's big, but.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
He thought a rock worked loose and came rolled by
itself down the embankment. That's what he thought. So he
pays it, and then it happens again, happens again, and
so he moves up the creek.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Texts because of the rolling rocks behind him. That's all.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
He doesn't think anything else. So he goes up the creek,
literally up the creek without a paddle. He's fishing, and
this other boom and this one lands comes through the
air and he says it was big and he spins
around and up on the embankment he sees Bigfoot's head

(30:52):
above the looking at him, and he freaks runs up
the hill and he said it was female.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Didn't really say what. Now he's telling this to our
we're playing golf, man and we're listening to this story.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
He goes man and then so you know, I run
up to the big Man and I changed the Bigfoot
down the thing and it ran into the tree line
and was gone, and I never caught it, and we
kept playing golf, you know, like whatever, and I kind
of forgot the story until I started doing interviews and
my own Bigfoot encounters with people, and I think, back,

(31:31):
here is somebody that has no skin in the game.
We're not playing golf. He's not on the you know,
he's not on a radio show. He's not in a
paranormal chat room. You know, he's with four executives playing golf.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Fuck, you know, in southern California. And he shared this
Bigfoot story.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
But when I say this story, now, it's just like
Bigfoot one oh one, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yep it is. I'll tell you a funny story about
rock throw me and me and a buddy mine. We
were out in my research areas. I think it was, Yeah,
it was the first time he'd ever been there, and
uh it was it was getting late and and uh
so we decided to bed down for the evening. Well,

(32:18):
he brought a hammock, which you know, we we lovingly
called a big foot burrito.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
I'm gonna steal that. That's mine, right ahead, stolen.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
But and we're and I just laid down in my
bed of my truck and I'm just laying there, you know,
watching the campfire and just kind of listening to nature.
It's what I love to do. And start hearing this
these little things through the trees, through the trees, and

(33:00):
I look and the sun is setting and I can see,
you know, these things sailing through these trees and it's pebbles,
and and they're not I mean at an arc you know. Well,
they start dinging his hammock. What And it was a

(33:22):
very it's a very active ary, very active and in fact,
it was where I had my that campsite where we
were at was where I had my first bigfoot siding.
And so these things start dinging his ding in his hammock.
And he's getting a little worked up, right, and I'm

(33:43):
and I'm kind of left. I'm just kind of giggling,
you know, you know, and then he hears this thing
and I heard it too. You this this thing come
up right, the bull rush is his uh sounded like
it's bull rushing, but it really was bull rusting his hammock.

(34:04):
And he about to come out. He about tore hisself
out of that hammock trying to get it with his
pistol drawn and it was an armadilla had run to
had to run up under his hammock. At the same
time they these these these little bigfoots. I don't know

(34:24):
what else. I don't what else is gonna be chunking
pebbles through the Yeah, yeah, I mean I didn't see
him do it, but I mean, what else is gonna
be doing that kind of stuff? But if it was
coming out of the tops of trees, you can argue
the crows were doing it. You could argue squirrels were
doing you know, all that type of thing. One they

(34:44):
were rocks. They were coming at an arc you know,
into it, into the camp. But when that armadilic.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Armidellas are bulletproof too. Oh yeah, they're bulletproof.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Make this little tank we of course in Texas, we
call them possible on the half shell.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Can you eat armidella?

Speaker 3 (35:08):
You're damn right.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, I suppose you could. I suppose you could. Oh man,
this show just took a strange turn.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, and I'll tell you something a little bit about
Armadale's real quick. I know what. I go down rabbit
holes all the time. Jimmy, excuse me. But armadalers are
you gotta be careful because armadalers are known for carrying leprosy. No, kid,
so don't go around eating arm Yeah, but I.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Have unless you're really good friends with the baby Jesus, you.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Know, I have. I have had armadilla And if I
if I don't ever read it again, I'm okay with that.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, I've only had alligator once. I did.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I did it just be because, you know, with some
friends and they were all excited about this is in Florida,
and I gotta.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Tell you.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
It wasn't offensive. But right now I won't do it again.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Man, it just just wasn't wasn't for me. I think
also your mind is playing with you about what you're
eating too as well. You mentioned tush. You said your
first sighting was that the one in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yes, what happened.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
And it's so funny actually because the first time I've
ever been bigfoot hunting squatching, Yeah, squatching if you want
to call it that. Whatever, I go camping. I don't
know about anything else. But anyway, we wasn't even camping. Hey,
this is a boy I was. I was doing some
shows with and stuff when I first got into this

(36:57):
and everything, and for some people, for some odd reason,
people like to hear my ignorant but talk. So I
was co hosting his show with him, and he said, man,
you ought to come up where our research, which is
where our research now. But we pulled up eight thirty
in the morning and we parked on the edge of

(37:19):
a hayfield and there was a thin tree line maybe
about ten yards stick that run between this hayfield and
this wheat field. Now we get out, I part my truck.
We get out. He's fiddling with his cameras. I didn't
even bother taking anything. I mean, I'm just and I'm
looking around. I'm trying to get the lay of the

(37:40):
land because I don't want to get I don't want
to get down here and get lost in the river bottoms, right,
So I'm trying to pick me up, pick me out
some you know, landmarks and that type of thing, and
just kind of scope it out. And he's over fiddling around,
and I'm standing there looking and I look through this
tree line into this wheat field, and this critter stands

(38:02):
up in the middle of his wheatfield. What time was
It was about eight It was eight thirty in the morning.
Oh oh, fresh, fresh, fresh, rocky daylight.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Who okay?

Speaker 3 (38:12):
And we hadn't been there five minutes, no kidd And
I'm I'm looking through this tree line and this critter
stands up in the middle of this wheat field. And
I could see him from about to waste up and
he looks like he's going to cross the street and
then he takes off, running down into the bottoms right,

(38:34):
and I could see him from like I said about
waste up until he hit the fire break and then
I saw I caught him two or three steps, had
to toe, you know, and then he went in the trees.
And my exact words, Jimmy, I'll be damn thee there?

Speaker 4 (38:52):
What what is? What? What's going through your mind?

Speaker 3 (39:02):
It was kind of like the whole have you seen
the Santa Claus and eminem commercial? They do exist?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
The first time I've had a few first times. The
first time I had a daylight UFO pop up like
out of nowhere, just like god right.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I didn't know how to react.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
It caught me so much by surprise that I was
kind of stunned. And then I caught myself saying some
pretty stupid ship the stuff that came out of my mouth.
But the first time where I was with a group
of people and watching stuff in the sky, uh okay,

(39:54):
so came away from that. Now I had seen you,
but this is one of the you know, I'm standing
with the and were what it was?

Speaker 4 (40:01):
It was?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
It was nuts And I got in the car uh
with my wife reader, I get in the car and
I turned to her and I said, this ship's real,
you know, like like Santa Claus, right, like the eminem
Santa Claus. And my reaction was anger because I knew text.

(40:26):
And You're in the same position. I'm in the media.
I've got a big audience. I'm a player, right and
you know, hosting the biggest radio show in the world,
I'm on coast to coast and I've got my TV
So now suddenly I'm presented with this and what do
I do with it? And and my reaction was, what

(40:49):
would Anderson Cooper do? If Anderson Cooper was here tonight,
right and saw what we saw, why did he go
on CNN the next day and tell the story?

Speaker 4 (41:03):
No, he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
And that's the prible That's what pisses me off about
the media and society that there's so much taboo, you know,
thrown on the subject that that here I am, I'm
being put in a position to make a decision like this.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
I decided to go on the air and talk about it.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
But most people in the media in my position wouldn't
do it. And you you've got your YouTube channel, you've
got your team, You're out there investigating if you discover
something and you decide to bring it public, then you're
also making the choice of having to face the music
and the criticism.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
How do you deal with that?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Don't let it bother me. It's it's it's mind over
matter and with me because I don't mind. Because it
don't matter. People are going to have their opinions of you. Now,
don't get me wrong. You know one of the one
of the first things that people will tell you if

(42:03):
you start a podcast is do not read the comments.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah, I don't ever.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Ever, My my deal is I'm such a social butterfly
that I love interacting with people, and that I have
to read the comments and interact with you know, good, bad,
or indifferent. I don't. It doesn't matter because haters are

(42:29):
gonna hate. Isn't that what the same is?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
It's so true though you remind you remind me of
of a friend of mine who is who was no longer.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
With us, but.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Sitting here talking to you, and he was from Texas
to as well. Sitting here and talking to you. It's
your voice and your accent, but also your attitude.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Is I'm talking about Jim Morris, by the way, if
if who Jim mars Is and I miss him.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I miss him a lot. But Jim had the same
attitude as you. Is that a Texas thing?

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I think to a certain extent, it's it's not so.
I mean, we're known for being laid back, okay, but
we're also known for not taking any shit, you know.
I mean, it's.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Well, ken, cowboys, I'm gonna cut you off because you
know you're my guest, and I feel bad about that.
But is it okay for a hard ass Texas cowboy?

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Right? Just hard? Is tough? Right? Just ate a forty
eight ounce ribbi.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Right, just tough, tough side arms in the window of
the pickup to also talk about fairies?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Is it okay? Can you be a hard.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Ass Texas cowboy and also straight into the woo? Or
is it only okay now? But in the past you
couldn't do it?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I don't think. I don't think anybody could have done
it in the past.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Okay, But I'm talking about Texas. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
But now I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this.
My family is originally from Texa Cana, Texas, Okay, and
that town borders Texas and Arkansas. And if you if
the name sounds familiar. That's because it's right up there
by falk, Arkansas, which is where the Boggy Creek Monster

(44:52):
legend Boggi Creek took place. Now, I grew up hearing
them stories before the damn movie ever come out. Okay,
So these old school folks, these older folks, they didn't

(45:15):
talk about that stuff a whole lot, but they knew
that it was out there, but they didn't you know,
we didn't talk about it a whole lot. It was
almost it was taken with a grain of salt. And
my mom was always very open to the paranormal existing

(45:35):
and all that she believed in that, you know. And
so when I had my dog man experience, and I
had that very early, you know, when I was sixteen,
and that, you know, I was lucky because they had

(45:56):
been a ramp, they had been raised up for all
this this weird stuff with the Boggy Creek Monster was
happening in their in their territory, you know, or in
you know, they grew up here in the stories and
everything else. So I think that was I was lucky
in that, and my family was very supportive. You know
what I saw, and I say, time and time again,

(46:17):
I wish the hell i'd seen a bigfoot. It had
been a lot easier to explain.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah, that makes sense, but that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
But I think it would have been okay to see
something strange that you couldn't explain, but to put a
label on it. They may not have done that, you know,
because a lot of the a lot of stuff was
explained away by and you've heard this ball lightning and
you know that type of thing. So if if the

(46:49):
orbs or the or the fay or whatever it was
or something, you know, the dog man attacks that I
think that I believe they were dog man attacks on
you know, let livestock and you know that type of thing.
And where I, where I grew up, was always blamed
on one or two things. It was either the big

(47:11):
cat was roaming through the territory, which we did have
and we still do. We do have big cats and
they have a huge territory. Or it was this mysterious
pack of wild dogs that everybody was always telling us
kids about.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
You know, Well, Texas is so big.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, and people don't under People don't understand until you
drive across Texas, until you experience that.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Go on the ten and go.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
East to west or west east and where it takes
you a day twenty four hours, just straight line on
a freeway and you get to experience everything. You've got
rolling hills, forests, desert, snow, sun.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Right, you got beaches, yes, right right, all of that one. Uh,
people don't get it.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
So there there is a variety of not only places,
but but wildlife and and Texas is big and you
can go and hide. There must be evidence out there
in your twenty fifteen case, what was left behind?

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Did you? Did you collect any evidence? What happened there?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
You know what happened was we went when after I
had deciding, we went and measured the wheat. And that's
how I know how this critter was every bit of
eight foot tall, because the wheat was four feet high thereabouts,
and I could see them from the waistuff, so you know,

(48:51):
we got some scale for that. Well, when we went
we went ahead and went on with our investigation or
whatever you you know, what have you, And we took
we went down in the river bottoms and hung the left,
crossed his path the way he was headed, and we
was just trekking on down through the river bottoms, and

(49:12):
every once in a while we would hear footsteps on
the ridge up above us on our left, and then
we would hear what people some people say it's a
mouth pop, some people say it's a woodknock. I think
they do both, and I think it's damn hard to
tell the difference at some point, especially when you get
the echoes going down in the bottoms and the canyons

(49:34):
and that type of thing. But anyway, we would hear that,
and then we'd walk about another one hundred one hundred
and fifty yards and we'd hear it again. So we
think what he was doing was pushing a troop or
a clan or a family group, whatever you want to
call him in front of us. So we would walk up.

(49:55):
So as far as seeing any evidence that day, no
we didn't see anything footprints, No, No, we didn't. We didn't.
Look well, I was I was, like I said, I
the first time I've been out in the damn field,

(50:17):
you know, and actually trying to figure out where this
thing had absolutely come through the field and I saw
it because it was about fifty sixty yards away from me,
trying to figure out where that was wed look, but
I and I'm thinking, well, this cat knows this area.

(50:37):
He's supposed to have been down here for years, and he
knows he's this big big footer and everything, and I'm
just kind of, you know, you take the lead. I
wasn't doing no tracking or anything like that. I should have,
but I was, you know, I was just kind of
following his lead and letting him do his thing. So

(50:58):
we didn't see any footprints or anything. But we've caught
in a lot of ever other evidence down in that area. Though.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
So what do you when you say evidence, what are
you looking for?

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Uh? You know, I'm not a big tree structured guy,
because it really really has to be either intricate or
very just flat out unexplainable for me to go, okay,
well this could be a big foot.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
You know, what do you make of the axes?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Again? You have to you can't just say, oh, I
say it X, it was a big foot, Okay. You
have to rule out everything. It's just like paranormal investigation.
When in doubt, rule it out, because if it's if
you've got this tree here and you see where it
was broke off at the bottom, and this tree here

(51:56):
was broke off at the bottom, they just happened to
fall into each other that that's what you that you
have to go with that, you know, so that that
doesn't mean nothing to me. Now, if you've got a
tree that's flinging against another tree that you can't find
where it came from, that's a whole different ballgame, you know.
Or if you've got a tree that's a different species

(52:18):
that's all over the place and this one's out of place,
and it's that's a whole different ballgame. If you've got
the tops of these trees. And I love seeing this
when saplings and I know, folks that it's and I
know when when saplings come together, y'all want to say, oh,
look it's an arc Bigfoot, But no, not every time

(52:43):
it happens. Naturally trees grow to gain, okay, But when
you see stuff that is that has not grown together,
but has been put together and interclan woven together, that
that's that's where that's that's where I will go, okay.

(53:06):
But it's very hard for me to to to put
any you know, weight in a tree structure. I like prince.
I love vocals, love vocals. I've got I've got some
pretty cool ones.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
How come, uh me happened? How come?

Speaker 1 (53:26):
And I've asked this question a lot. I think it's honest.
How come we haven't found Bigfoot's apartment, a Bigfoot village,
you know, it's some community. How come we haven't found
that yet. Well, One, I think they're nomadic. I think
they had They're much like a big cat. They have

(53:46):
a huge territory that they moved through. Sp well, because
I don't think they migrate as we understand the word migration,
you know, like birds fly from you know, south to
north and that type of thing. I think they have
a territory that they move around in so they won't
run the game out in any certain place. Okay, they're

(54:07):
smart enough to the first nations people did it. If
we were smart, we'd still be doing it, you know.
But we'll just you know, we're like you may as well.
We're just like goats or horses. We will chew and
destroy stuff down to the dirt, okay, and won't move
on until we just run everything out of it, use

(54:30):
everything up in there.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
But these critters, they're smart, okay, and they moved through
a territory. I think like in some places, I think
up you know, further up north, they move with the
migration of whatever game they enjoy, you know, and I

(54:55):
do think they enjoy a lot of different game. But
if you've got one that's easy, pretty much easy pickings,
you can I mean, why wouldn't you follow that one?
You know it makes sense. But down here it's so
that this, I mean, this space of everything in Texas

(55:19):
is a small game compared to up north, you know,
because it's just it's too damn hot. Down here. Nothing
grows big. But there's enough small game. And we got
such a bad pig problem. I don't think they'll ever
go hungry, but they I think they established a territory

(55:40):
and they move through it. And I do think if
they have a village per se, it's a dad gum
deep in the brush. We probably won't ever find it.
They I think they do make temporary housing, if you
want to put it that way. But it makes no

(56:00):
sense to me about not all, but most of most
people that claim that this is a bigfoot nest or
you know, big whack or whatever. And you can't find
no hair samples in it at all, and or nothing
like that, or no prints in that thing. It's hard

(56:25):
for me to swallow. Okay, it's hard for me to sw.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
What about the big question of here Before I get
I was gonna ask you about DNA. You know what,
we'll do that after the break and my question was, uh,
and we'll do this after the break too as well,
so you can think about it. But so many caves
have been discovered around the world with animal bones in it, right,
and they always associate that with humans, and and there's

(56:49):
a fast habitation and even indigenous cultures in recent habits. Man,
maybe that's maybe that's bigfoot. You just want to point
the fingers at humans, you know, occupying these caves for shelter,
which makes sense. But maybe it's it's bigfoot. I've thought
about that a lot now, you said earlier, and I

(57:12):
want to I don't want to forget this.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
You said cheek to cheek.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, what
what do you mean cheek to cheek?

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Encounter so real quick?

Speaker 3 (57:27):
I was I was camping, and I was I was,
I was on I was sleeping on a cot and
I had an air mattress on top of that cot.
I spoiled myself because I'm old and fat, so I'm sleeping.
I had my I had it shoved over in the
back corner of the tent, big eight person tent, and
there was quite a few of us that were camping

(57:49):
that night. One of them is in the Dadgum chat.
She was camped on one side of me, and then
nobody was camped on the other side. Well, there was
an old boy that was camped across the the campfire
from me and then his dog with him, and we
were camp all camped on pea gravel and I heard

(58:09):
somebody walk up beside my tent, and I'm thinking, I
thought it was you know him and got out to
go pee, or somebody got out to go pee. That's
what I thought. And my first thought was, why the
hell are you coming over here to take a leak
by my tent? Go pee by your own tent, you know.

(58:29):
That's my first thought. And I'm laying there and I'm
hearing this person walk up in the gravel next to
my tent and then right next to my ear, and
I'm about a foot and a half off the ground.
Right next to my ear, I hear, oh crap, all right,

(58:55):
So and my first thought was, Okay, what is this?
And I'm going through my head and I'm trying to
think of what it could be, you know, because you've
got so many animals after it makes so many different sounds.
I don't care, folks, if you've been hunting forty fifty sixty,
one hundred and fifty years, you don't know every sound
these animals make. If you think you do, go to
my channel and name that critter. Thank you very much.

(59:18):
But anyway, my next thought was what could this be?
Could it be a deer? Could it be a whole?
Could it be I'm gonna I'm gonna throw you a loop.
I'm gonna I'm gonna throw your curveball here and I'll
explain when we get back. Could it be a tiger?

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (59:41):
And my next thought was, crap my pistols in my truck?
I know that was.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
I'm just gonna ask you about that. Were you?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Were you so good research? Like any good research? Any
like any stupid Texan h over. I grabbed my phone
a hit record, and I laid back then went to sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Do that sound again? What did do?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Right? Man? But it was a lot deeper than that, man,
But it was rotten sea.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
That feels mountain lion ish.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Possibly could be maybe maybe, But I don't know if
you would have heard footsteps, though.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Not from a mountain, not from a mountain. I was out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I was out in the mountains here in the desert.
We have mountains in you know, desert, right next to
each other. And I'm out on my bike, Harley, and
I'm deep in it. I'm deep into the mountains. And uh,
I'm on a lonely stretch of road by myself, you know,

(01:00:49):
just just riding.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
And I see a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Dog maybe a quarter mile standing on the side of
the road on the right side. You know, I'm going
towards on the right side of the road, but facing
this way, I can clearly see it. And and so
I start to slow down, going, Okay, dude, cross the
road or go the other way, but don't jump out
in front of me when I'm too close right, And

(01:01:17):
squirrels do the same thing. Squirrels wait for you to
be right up, then they run out on the street.
They don't wait for you to pass. They make that
last yeah, dear dude, the exact It's crazy. Anyway, So
I'm very aware of this out here in the desert,
and so I'm approaching and I'm slowing down, you know,
seventy sixty to fifty forty thirty and I'm coming up

(01:01:39):
on them, and I'm like, man, that's a that's a
big coyote.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
All right, Holy crap, it's a mountain lion.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Right, And I slowed down this thing was It wasn't small, man,
it was big.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
It was I'm not saying it was eight feet long,
but it was, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
And it trotted right across, kind of looked at me,
and then went off into the into the tall grass
and disappeared. And I thought to myself, how cool I
saw a mountain lion like out here. That doesn't happen often.
Then the second thought went in my mind. I think
that thing could eat you. I think was huge.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
It was big, man, big, big old pause.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Now that would go that would that would that that
would do something in your ear?

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
That was big.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
So and that's and that's the thing about it is
you can't automatically jump to oh, it's a big one.
That's the last thing, you know, after you put everything
else aside, and you know that's the last thing that
you that you that you you can you want to
think it. Don't get me wrong, but you know it

(01:02:53):
could have been all these other things.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
But that we're uh we do have to jump into
this break. But what about the howling. We've all heard
the recordings, we've heard the samurai stuff, and you know,
we've tons of bigfoot things. We've all what do you
make of that? And have you heard it yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Yes, I have on numerous occasions. And it's not just
I've heard hows. I've heard whoops. I've heard screams. I've
heard you know, grunts and growls, and I mean it's
just the whole gambit. I mean that this it's some

(01:03:41):
kind of communication. I don't know what I have done
sound blasting or call blasting. How are you going to
call her done? Calls? I can count the times on
one hand out in the field because I realized that
I don't know what I'm saying and I would rather

(01:04:03):
not have one of these things pissed off at me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
You know, Yeah, a bigfoot Michigan Rob's encounter that he had,
and I know you've heard the story that, Yeah, that's
that's pretty compelling.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
It is. He is one of the few people that
I know personally that have witnessed a bigfoot vocalizing to him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
I've never seen bigfoot, by the way, I've seen prince,
but I've never no, I did have, and then that's it.
I'm gonna and we can talk about this when we
come back from the break doing my TV show, I'm
out of Gaya shooting and with one of my guests,
and he shows me this film, this video footage that
was caught from a the The person on this path,

(01:04:57):
on this trail had one camera point mounted to the
helmet pointing forward, another one on the shoulder on.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
The backpack pointing backwards.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Right, Okay, so the back the back cam pointing backwards
backwards on the trail, and they didn't see it till
later when they were looking at the footage. They had
no idea this happened.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
But behind them on the side of the trail.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
There's no other way to explain it. Like this fuzzy
portal opens. It was probably six or eight feet tall,
but you could see it go fuzzy in the trees
and like this shape and it's dark, and it's like
a hole on the side of the trail pointing across
the trail, so pointing at that it's pointing across and dude,

(01:05:45):
this shadow comes out of it, like a walking black shadow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Crazy, And I do I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Don't know if it's evidence of bigfoot or anything, but
it's something.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
You know, and you don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
What happened with the creature or what No, because it's
out of frame and they're walking up the trail. But
I got to tell you, it's a pretty compelling piece
of footage and it just makes you wonder what is
going on out there in the woods that they if
that camera wasn't there. It's the tree falling in the woods, right, absolutely, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
It is dog Man and Bigfoot Tonight here on Fade
to Black. One of my favorite subjects. I say this
all the time. The UFO community is big. It's fun,
it's cool. It's dwarfed by the Bigfoot community. The Bigfoot
community is gine enormous and uh and they've got their

(01:11:03):
own they've got their own internal issues, just like we
do here in the UFO community, the ghost community, the
NDE community, whatever whatever you want to talk about. We
all have our our little uh our little things that
go on the soap opera drama. And the bigfoot community
is quite large and a lot of different types of

(01:11:26):
research going on out there and texts you've got, You've
got the Misfits, You've got the Oklahoma research team too
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
What what do you got? Before we get into infighting, right,
you gotta talk about what what? What do you guys
you when you go out squatching? Uh? What are the
tools of the trade?

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
You know? I love that question because now I'm not
saying I was the first to do this, okay, but
I think I was among the first when I when
I started doing Bigfoot research and I started going out
in the field, I was doing a lot of solo work.
I was going out there and I would spend three
or four or five days or nights by myself out there,

(01:12:13):
and I was doing a lot of what I call
passive research or fat boy research, is where you don't
go walking through the woods going here, Bigfoot, Bigfoot, Bigfoot,
you know, you take a stroll in the woods, Yeah,
if you want to. But I wanted to see if
they would come to me. So I wanted to appear

(01:12:36):
as vulnerable as I could right in an active area.
I knew they were there, I'd seen them there, right,
And it worked now. And also, but in my strolls
and everything, and I've always been kind of a paranormal guy,
but I've never been a paranormal investigator. But in my

(01:12:58):
research area, there is a very very old and defunct
cemetery that sits about one hundred yards up and a hill,
up on a hill in the middle of dan Woods.
And I am you can call it brave or stupid.

(01:13:19):
It's a fine line, and I've jumped it time or two.
But I go up there, and I go up there,
walking around, looking around, you know, poking around at night whatever,
you know. And I was having some weird stuff happen
and I didn't have nothing, none of this ghost hunting

(01:13:40):
and stuff. And so I brought in a paranormal team
with me. And because I mean, really, to do cryptid research,
tracking is your best in common sense, are your best
tools to take with you? Okay, But as far as
the paranormal research. There's a lot of stuff that we

(01:14:02):
could you know, maybe capture, you know, with instruments. Okay,
but what we found out was we were capturing a
lot more paranormal stuff along with the cryptid stuff, and
sometimes we couldn't tell the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Do you think sometimes and this is where let's just
offend everybody and kiss some people off.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
But do it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Do you find that there's less and less separation between
this research, that things are overlapping and maybe fundamental to
the same stuff, ghost, cryptids, bigfoot? You know what I mean,
interdimensional crazy you know, is ghost or some ghosts, the

(01:14:59):
ghost of Neanderthal, and we see them and we mistake
them as bigfoot. I'm just saying, and I know that
that's an extreme thought, but these things, well, you know,
for some there are you know this, there are some
out there that are going to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Go come on, man, no, man, no, no, no, The
UFOs don't go together.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Well, the thing about it is, now the whole let's
let's take the big foot UFO frame first. Okay. I've
had people say, well, bigfoot or aliens? Why do you
say that? Well, how many reports do we have of
a bigfoot coming off of UFO or a bigfoot being

(01:15:45):
seen and then a UFO or vice versa. There's a
lot of reports out there like that, a lot there are.
My argument to that is, well, if we're being adducted
and a hell a lot more interesting than we are,
why wouldn't they be abducting them? Also?

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Little species collection?

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Mm, that's well. I mean, you've got you've got all
the you know, all the the mutilations and everything else
going on. Why can't a bigfoot get the Golden Probe
Award just like text can?

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Sure, sure, Look, the Smithsonian is going down to the
rainforest and bagging and tagging species all day long, So
why wouldn't et do the same thing here on planet Earth?

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Absolutely? Man, that's fascinating, that's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
So Bigfoot comes off the ship? So what happened? Man?
Well man, steel table, right, Yeah, you are not gonna
believe what they did to me?

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Have you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
A red communion just happened, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Okay, okay, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
And what about the if we go to the extreme
side of this, the interdimensional aspect to Bigfoot appearing and disappearing,
nobody seems here, Okay, I can't wait to hear your answer.
You did it yourself, and so did my friend, and

(01:17:31):
so many have chased bigfoot but never caught it, caught
up to it. It's like Bigfoot made of left behind
a tree and just simply disappeared. I've got a video
from a friend of mine in Galveston, Texas, by the way,
Galveston in the oil fields. They were down there right

(01:17:53):
after a hurricane hit. Okay, So my friend and his
and his daughter, three of them are walking through the
marshlands down there, and you know Galveston, you know what
it's like. And so they're walking on.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
This dirt road access road.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
And something is in front of them about a quarter
mile on the road, walking, but it's black.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
I've seen the video. I have the video.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
It's like fifteen minutes long. And this thing is why
it's black. And you can see zoomed in. This thing
turns around and looks at black hands, black feet, black body,
black face. It turns and looks, but it's walking. They
never kept they're running. The family is now running. They're
all videotaping on their shooting video on their phones. So

(01:18:44):
multiple sources on this and they never but anyway, Bigfoot
turns left into the marshlands.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
There's nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
There's no trees, right, it's just flat. And they get
up to that spot on the road where Bigfoot turn
left and they turn it into the grassland.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
There's nothing there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
It's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Doesn't make any sense. That's when you jump into this
no man's land.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Of will men. Did it just disappear? Did it de
moluckly arise?

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Well, there are some in the Bigfoot community that just
don't want to hear this when it comes to bigfoot, right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
I will say this. You mentioned marshlands, grasslands. Okay, it
don't take much to disappear. Anybody with a working knowledge
of camouflage can do it. I've proved it that you
can take two steps into some tall grass and you're gone,

(01:19:44):
wearing neon freaking colors. I've done it. I've showed it
on video. It is very very easy. And these things,
that's how they make their living. Folks, they're so fa
beyond us when it comes to camouflage and the use
of you know, their environment, you know, I mean it's

(01:20:10):
I think that that's a lot of what that is,
not all of it, Okay, the whole portal thing. Man,
I'm still trying to get my mind wrapped around that.
I've got dear friends that were in on taking the

(01:20:31):
video of the one that came out of a place
called what they call the meadow, and they filmed a
freaking portal open and two of their team members walked
in this thing and disappeared.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Are you talking about Trey Hudson? Yes, I am good dude.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Yes. And when they came back out and they said,
it didn't look, you know, like it did, you know,
I mean normal? Right? And there's so many almost every
one of those team members are suffering from some kind
of freaking disease, and several of them have passed away.

(01:21:11):
What two of them have passed away, I believe, you know.
And I loved Grumpy Grumpy was he was something else.
And I'm I'm dear friends with Christen, you know, Christian Paton.
She's She's a sweetheart. And but that is the most

(01:21:32):
convincing thing that I've ever heard, you know, about the
existence of portals. We know, I mean, it's been scientifically
proven that there's other dimensions out there. And if you
want to go down a real rabbit hole, you get

(01:21:53):
cern involved in it. What's going on there now? When
we start talking about portals. Now, Like I said, folks,
it's just my opinion. Okay, don't don't shoot the messenger here.
When we start talking about portals and you start talking
to place about place about places like blind Frog Ranch,

(01:22:16):
Skinwalker Ranche at bl where I researched Brown Springs, Oklahoma, Okay,
and a lot a lot of other places that have
all this same activity. I sat in and talked to uh,
that man I never can remember his dad gum name,

(01:22:39):
the manager of Skinwalker.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Rane Oh, Tom thomas Worth. Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Yeah, he's a good guy. I sat down and had
about a thirty minute conversation with him after a conference,
after everybody'd left. I've never seen an episode of the show.
When I told him so, I said, look, I'm not
here to fanboy over you. I had never seen an
episode of your show, but I know you've got some
of the strengths, the same strange stuff going on there
that I'm dealing with, and I want to pick your
brain and vice versa. And we had about a thirty

(01:23:11):
minute conversation. It was very very interesting. But when it
comes to these portals, I think you have maybe we
can because we know the polls are shifting. And I
know a lot of people it's the you know, oh
the poster. They do it all the time. Polls shift,

(01:23:33):
that's what they do. Okay. But what is also shifting
and moving lay lines? Okay? Now you look at these
these areas that I just named, and you look at
a map of lay lines. Lay lines intersect over these
over these areas. Okay, and but they move. The intersections

(01:23:54):
moved too. So that could possibly explain, I said, possibly
explain why you don't see something opening. You can't go
to that that one spot and it's gonna be opened
every day at a certain time, right, Okay. They move
around and you're not going to catch it every time,

(01:24:15):
you know, and if you do, even if it did happen,
you may not see it because I don't think they
I don't think they open to the same degree at
all the time. And I think frequency plays a big
part in it. Okay. So that's my answer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Here's those are Thomas, Caleb, and Dragon from skin Walker.
Now I've hung out with the three of them together.
I've had lunch and dinner with them and and we've
sat and talked. One of the things that they point

(01:24:58):
out to me. I don't know if they talked about
this publicly or on the show, I don't know, but
this is what they said to me, and it just
blew my mind. First off, when you sit and you
meet them and you talk to them, they are as
normal and as cool as anybody you could ever want
to meet. There is no weirdness, crazy stuff going on.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
They're just, you know, just people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
And they put their parents on just like me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
They are just and cool man, very nice, and very humble. Anyway,
the three of them were were sitting there talking and
they told me this. They have grown up with each other.
They've known each other for their entire lives. It's a
small community up there, right. Their families know each other

(01:25:48):
and school all of them and they all live on
the same street. Okay, so they've grown up together. Their
houses are next to each other, their wives, they're kids.
You know, this is the they you know what I mean.
And they said that all life was just completely normal.

(01:26:09):
And then they started working at Skinwalker and this whole
vision that they had of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Right, you on a car, you drive it, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Life is just what it is, right, And then they
go they go to work at Skinwalker and every everything
got flipped upside down for them, and so this very
normal existence. They are trying to work their way through
this crazy stuff that's going on with them, and they
are trying to figure it out, and it's coming from

(01:26:40):
such an honest how do I say this, such a
such a grounded mindset. You know, we're not talking about
something where you're gonna go, Man, I think I think
you're little nuts. No, you don't think that about them,
you know what I mean? They're completely just I don't

(01:27:01):
want to say normal, because what is normal? But it's
not what you think when you sit down and talk
to them. They're just very honest about the crazy that
is now entered their lives and they're trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Figure it out. Is it the location? I agree with that.
And you have these hotspots, like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
You're saying the meadow with Trey Hudson, that's not a coincidence.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
That's happening right there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
You have Joshua Tree, California, right, you know these other
just amazing place Landers, California is one of the crazy
places out there. But it's full of granite, it's full
of rocks, and there's geologically I think that there's a
lot going on there, and we have the same kind

(01:27:46):
of situations going on and these other hotspots geographically.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Do you ever wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Where the indigenous people have been talking about this for
a long time. So do you think that the walking
you know, and go a sacred site right here right?
I feel the vibe in my feet. I'm talking about
a thousand years ago stonehenge whatever you know where this
they feel the energy of the area right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Well, why not? I mean, that's how I operate. I've
been told them since that. I don't know. Okay, all
I know is I have over the years, and I
paid attention. And folks, there's one lesson. If you'd learned

(01:28:40):
nothing else about going out in the woods and trying
to look for something, here's the number one lesson. Shut up,
shut up and listen that that will help you more
than anything else out there. Just take it all in, Okay,

(01:29:02):
give yourself time to take in everything that's out there,
because you'll you can. And I think anybody can do this, Okay.
I don't think I'm anybody special or anybody else is.
We all have to get in touch with those i'll
call them abilities. For lack of a better term that
we had when you know, we had to rely on

(01:29:26):
our instincts to survive, Okay, and getting the vibe of
a place is what I call it, and you call
it the same thing. But I have come to find
out that, especially in Brown Springs, I can step out
of my truck and stand there for a few moments

(01:29:48):
and pretty much figure out what I'm going to run into,
if anything, because I get a certain I get a
certain feeling, and then I start already noticing it. I'd
get a certain feeling that I'd running a bunch of
paranormal stuff, and I'd get this other different feeling, and
I'd run into some critters, you know, And then sometimes

(01:30:09):
it was just a walk in the woods. There wasn't
nothing around, and so I started paying attention. And that's
what you got to do. You got to pay attention repetitiveness.
I mean, it's you've got to if you pick an area,
get to know the area, get to know the wildlife,
get to know everything about that place. And you know,
I understand that a lot of these places we go to.

(01:30:34):
The one of the worst things you deal with is
a great the great North American meth head. I get that,
but you get and you gotta be careful, okay, because
they're more dangerous than anything else out there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
But that's that's portal stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Yeah, right, But seriously, folks, pay attention to your surroundings
and you'll start picking up on stuff. But you have
to allow yourself to do it. And I think that's
the big thing, because I think one of the hardest
things that to people, that people have a hardest thing

(01:31:12):
to deal with is silence because we are surrounded by
so much noise all the time. It can be quite
in your house, there's still noise, okay, And you go
outside in your backyard whatever you live in the suburban area,
is still noise. Right. You go out in the middle
of these dead young woods, like we're doing a private

(01:31:33):
investigation right now. It's in the middle, it's on two
thousand acres. Ain't nothing but cows and gas wells on
any folks. So you know, you have to allow yourself
to get to know the land, get to know what's
out there. Okay, it will speak to you. I'm not
talking about mind speaking, nothing like that, but your your

(01:31:57):
own senses will speak to you. Trust your gut, that's
a big one. Trust your gut. Don't second guess show.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
You should see the chat. I don't know if you're
paying attention to it. But we've got BMR in the chat.
Duke is in the chat.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
It's like the you know, the my Bigfoot community is
all here tonight for you text. That's that's really cool man,
Danny's here, you know. It's yeah, it's it's it's it's
very cool to see that. What about Okay, So Duke's
in the house, all right, and we've also got we've

(01:32:38):
got BMR here and Duke is a big telepathy guy,
right are you?

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
No? Why? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Because I I'm in the middle text, I don't have
the answers, But no, I don't know telepathy, telepathy and nature.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
I think it's a real thing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
I will say this I have. I'm on the fence. Okay,
I have not jumped the fence yet. When I have
that experience, I'll be the first one wave in my flag.
Sure always said that. And it's like, I think, I
don't know if we talked about this. Was it off
air or on air? I can't remember. But you can't

(01:33:32):
just because somebody has a different experience or encounter that
you do. You cannot. You can't dismiss it, you can't
detegrate it, you can't make light of it just because
it's different than yours. I have deer friends that I

(01:33:53):
love and respect that claim to have this ability to
mind speak with these creatures. One of them goes out
in the field with me almost every trip. I value
that input. That is another tool in my belt. That's
the way I look at it, for sure. You know,
I can't blow it off. It's like the conversation we

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had earlier, Jimmy. If I blow that stuff off, I'm
cutting myself off at the knees. I'm not going to
learn anything that's right. Right, I'm opening. I'm open to
it happening. I hope it don't happen to me. I
don't want nothing poking around my head, Okay, I just don't.
And I have a legitimate concern, and I get beat

(01:34:34):
up for it all the time. But folks, I'm not
making fun of it. I'm not making light of it.
But I need you to listen to me. Okay, if
you've got something speaking to you and it's not your own,
it's not you just because it tells you that it's

(01:34:59):
big foot or you want to believe so bad that
it's bigfoot. Doesn't mean doesn't mean it's bigfoot, because paranormal
one on one spirits will lie.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
To you words of wisdom, texts, words of wisdom.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
We'll just be careful at all, I'm saying, because something
that does not have your best interest at heart will
do anything in the world to get its put in
the door and play havoc with your psyche or your life,
or just suck the life energy from you. Okay, just
be careful. I understand that people want to communicate with

(01:35:35):
these things. It would be fact, it would be absolutely
amazing to do so. But you've got to have you
got to have your guard up. Just because I say
I'm bigfoot, doesn't mean I'm big foot.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Trickster, trickster, trickster fae.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
You know what I used to do with my dog, Malcolm.
I'd never tried it with my other dogs, but Malcolm
was my boy, right, a little Schnauzer and blacks and he.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
Was so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
So I could sit on my back porch all right
and look through the sliding glass doors all the way
up the hallway to the front door on the other
side of the house, where he would like to lay
because it was cool on the tile part of the floor.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
But he would lay by the front door. But I could.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
I'd be sitting out on the back porch and I
could see it, right, he's sleeping, he's got his head down,
and I would just take a sip of my coffee,
look at him and say his name in my head
and he would go boop.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
His head would pop up. Nothing happened, right, he put
his head back to But I could.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Do that, and I got something.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Well, you know what I mean, you have a connection
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
I would say that in nature, dogs, cats and animals,
they don't have the distraction of the Internet or our payments.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
They don't have that. They don't have technology messing with
their heads.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Let me lay this, you know what I mean, Absolutely,
let me lay this on you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
I was We've all heard the term being marked by
these critics, right, you know, these things mark you. They
they stay in touch with you, they follow you home,
that type of I'm talking about bigfoot, dog man, that
type of thing. Okay. We've all heard people say, well,
these things know you're there before your boots hit the ground. Okay, right,

(01:37:34):
all right, which I believe they do. Okay, you're in
their living room, that type of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
Five miles away, they know what time it is, Okay, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Ran across the study. Then this just happened several weeks ago,
and I did a video on it. But I ran
across the study on dogs and it took place back
when they were using beepers, because that so that ought
to tell you the timeframe this took place. What they
did was they they took I don't I can't remember

(01:38:08):
how many it was, but several owners with dogs put
cameras in the house and they monitor their dogs, okay,
and they gave the person a beeper. And what they
would do is they were monitor their dogs. And when
it because we I mean, how much how many times
have you come to the house and the dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Waiting at the door every time?

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Okay? Now, what they found was that as far as
five miles away. It's funny that you said that, By
the way, it's funny as far as five miles away.
When they sent these people a beeper noticed to come home,

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the dog got up and went to the front door.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Is that Not only do I believe it, but dang,
I wish I would have known about that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
Study. That's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
It goes even further. So they started testing this theory,
and so the person would be headed home, they would
send another beeper notification to turn around and go back,
or or make a stop, or go somewhere else. When
that happened and the person made their mind up to

(01:39:20):
do that, the dog went and laid back down.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
One hundred I believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
And they would send another beeper to come on home,
and the dog would get back up.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
Turn your car around, the dog that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Cranks out, That takes out, Oh they know what a
car sounds like. Oh, it's some kind of super scent thing. No,
that takes that all out of Yeah, they.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
Know what time you're coming home from work. I always
hear that argument, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Yeah, yeah, and I think to extent they do, but
because I mean, they get into a pattern, they don't
expect you. Okay. But that study open my eyes and
I went, well, wait a minute, if dogs can do this,

(01:40:09):
And I've worked around horses and cattle all my life.
Horses are very very intuitive. If you're scared of a horse,
he knows it. They know it. Elephants, elephants, you name
an animal, they all have it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
Cats, I mean, monkeys, it's any animal.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Why can't these creatures make it a connection with you
if you're out there, if you're out there in an
area enough and these and these critters make a connection
with you, that same connection that your dog is made
with you. Why not? And that could be the whole

(01:40:58):
being marked situation.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
What was the name of the the bigfoot, Duke, Duke
pop it up in the chat.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
What's the name of the bigfoot that the kid made
friends with? What?

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Yeah? Glag?

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Oh man, that I gotta say. I will always you know,
thank Duke and appreciate. Yeah, there it is right there.
Thank you, Duke, uh for not only sharing that story
but enlightening me that there's there's Duke popping in right there, Glag.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
Because there are elements of that story. I went back.
Did you go and listen to the original versions of
the Black story?

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
I would sit in the dark a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Yeah yeah, I mean, just absolutely amazing and the whole Now,
the Glad story is great, but it's not about for me.
What was so fascinating it was the Bigfoot family, right,
the structure and how very similar. How do I say

(01:42:23):
this like any other you know what? I mean of
human families, but horse families, elephant families.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
You know what I mean. You have a family, you
have your pride.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
You have your I get asked a lot, what do
you think their intelligence level is as far as Bigfoot goes?
And I get beat up for this a lot. But
it's because people are so there's people want to put

(01:42:56):
Bigfoot on a pedestal. They really do. And I get
that they're amazing creatures, amazing, but I put their intelligence
level right up there with killer whales. Now, before people
jump on me, let me explain. Don't break out the

(01:43:19):
torches and pickforks this year. Not yet, Yeah, not yet.
If you study killer wales, which I have, they mate
for life, they grieve, they have families, they have funerals.

(01:43:41):
They teach, they welcome, They welcome other family member of
pods into their group and teach them the ways that
they hunt in certain areas. They strategically plan stuff to
the second. Watch the video. I can't remember if it's

(01:44:02):
two or three orcas, and there's a sea lion sitting
on a chunk of ice, and they choreograph this down
to the second. They rushed the iceberg. They rusted the
iceberg for lack of a better term, a chunk of ice,
and at the last minute they all dive underneath it
and they washed the sea lion off the other side.

(01:44:26):
There's documented proof of a of a female's orca when
her calf passed, she pushed it around for weeks in grief. Okay, weeks, folks.

(01:44:46):
They have funerals. They're right up there with us. They
have their own language, they have names for one another.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
Why wouldn't they, Why wouldn't they?

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Absolutely, absolutely, And then you can get into the whole
infrasound thing. Well, you know, and then for a long time,
let's jump back several years and talk about seeing infrared. Okay,
for several years it was it was talked about as
if Bigfoot had a superpower and could see infrared.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
I remember that, yes, I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
Okay, news flash, folks, Normal everyday animals can see infrared, right, Okay,
Lemurs in the primate okay, and don't jump on me
about using primates hang on, because we are too according
to the scientists. But lemurs can see I are so

(01:45:45):
so can deer. You know how many how many how
many trail cam videos do you have deer walking up
to the camera going what's going on? But not until
it fires. Okay. Now we've our our team I have
are running a series of experiments and there's two and

(01:46:09):
I'm gonna tell this. I'm gonna give you all a
tool to investigate Bigfoot if you want to possibility. It's
just another tool in your belt post. I haven't proven
this if it works or not yet. There's two different
types of trail camps out there. You have active IR
and passive IR. Active IR is just like your motion censure,

(01:46:31):
your your you know, your your doorbells, everything else. It shoots,
it emits a beam of I R. It gets broken
and it triggers. Those trail cameras are the ones that
every time of limb moves or whatever, you get, you
get your picture. The passive IR senses IR heat doesn't

(01:46:55):
project anything, okay, it senses it. So those are the
one uns that will only trigger when a warm blooded
animal comes right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
So what we're trying to do is we're trying to
see if we can drive these creatures with active OUR
into our passive IR camera traps because they will avoid
I our cameras like the blade.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
Well they see them, mm hmm, yeah, they see them.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
You see that so often where you'll see animals react
to something that they they wouldn't if it was a
coke can. Yeah, they wouldn't react to the coke can
that's man made, you know. Strap that to the side
of a tree and see if a deer looks at it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Now, they may go up if they see it or
they smell it. Now, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
But you understand what I'm saying. But a trail camera,
they look right you know, they're coming right up.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
You know, you see them doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Only when it on the cameras. That that's what's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Sure, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Yeah, So I think there's a lot if we pay
attention to the details, folks, you know. And getting back
to the whole telepathy thing, I'm not a big mind
speak guy, and I think that's where my confusion comes in,
or where the confusion comes in when I'm asked, are

(01:48:35):
you a telepathy guy? No, not really I am when
it comes to what we talked about with the dogs
and everything else that ability, yes, okay, because it's not
just animals that have it, folks, we have it for sure.
How many times? How many times have you known the

(01:48:55):
phone was going to ring and known who was going
to be on the other side of it, or been
thinking about somebody and they ring or text.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
Happened three times this week.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
There you go three days in a row, including this morning, including.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Right before showtime, right before showtime tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
You know, I don't even question it. I just like, man,
this is great.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
I do it with my daughter all the time. Once
you I have friends that practice this stuff. That's what
they do. It's what they do, and they are really good,
really good.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
Now, could could some of them go out with you
or go out with Duke or BMR, you know, and
go out and and go squatching and possibly communicate and
pick stuff up when you're dealing with somebody that really
has the gift and they prat you know, they work
that they're they're exercising those muscles that you and I

(01:50:06):
don't do, right, trust me, we're both fat old dudes.
Uh there's muscles that we just don't exercise anymore. But
for those that know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
What they're doing, I often wonder, Yeah why not?

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
Yeah, I mean it's like anything else, you know, you
can hone it as a skill, you know, but it's
going back to what I you know, like I said earlier,
you've got to shut up and listen that that's that's
the first step, I believe. But yeah, it's there. There's

(01:50:44):
so there's so much amazing stuff out there to experience.
You know, when you start talking about you know, cryptos
and paranormal and UFOs and I mean, you know, then
you start talking about the whole you know, missing time phenomenon.
I've had it happen to me. And I had that

(01:51:05):
remote viewed by Jessica Jones and then I had it
verified by Daniel Diva. They didn't even know, you know
each other, and I mean it was just crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Yeah, Jessica, that was pretty cool. She's never been on
the show. But I'm in the shadows underneath the gas lamps,
you know, following her and watching her stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:51:28):
She's really good. I really enjoy her stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
Before we get out of here, what happened with dog Man?
You were what you were like fifteen sixteen years old?

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Yeah? I was, I was. I actually had I believe
three encounters with him are with Hey dog Man, I
believe it was the same one. So what happened was
is and I'll give you the reader's digest version of it.
I've been out hunting and I was coming home. Son

(01:51:59):
was still up. I had two rabbits hanging off my belt,
no ammo from my shotgun, and it was just a
little four ten. So I'm walking home and I'm going
up the dirt road that borders our placed, okay, And
I was just about to jump over the or go

(01:52:19):
through the fence and take a you know, short cut
bee line across the pasture to the house. And this
critter come out of the brush on my left hand
side at a full run and ran across the road
in front of me, twenty five thirty feet away, and
in midstride. I remember, this is the image that's burned

(01:52:39):
in my head. Midstride, he turned his head and he
growled at me. And then he and he was on
two legs taller than I was, dove over the fence.
Didn't jump it, dove over the fence into the tall
grass on the other side. And when he went when
he went down, he went to all fours. It was

(01:53:00):
a very smooth transition, and I saw the grass move
for a little bit and then he was gone. So
I had a choice. I could either follow him in
the tall grass, or stay on the road to take
the long way home, which is what I did. Smart,
which is smart, smart, smart. Pretty much the whole walk

(01:53:22):
home is a blur. I remember turning the first corner
and thinking to myself, I ain't got no ammo. I
got a three foot club. Maybe I'll get a swing
game before you eat me. You know. When I got home,
I walked in the door. We lived in the trailer house.
My sister lived on the same property, about forty yards away.

(01:53:45):
I walked in the back door of our trailer and
pretty much collapsed in the kitchen chair and laid my
gun down on the table, which is a huge no
no in my house. No guns in the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
No come yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
If that ain't country, I'll kiss you, asked, right, right, right.
So my mama was. She was standing in the kitchen
doing something. I don't know what she do, I can't remember,
but she turned around. I think she was fixing and
scold me because she saw my gun on the table
and she looked at me. She said, oh my god,
what's wrong with You're white as a ghost. And I

(01:54:20):
tried to tell her what had happened, and I physically
could not speak. I was obviously in the state of shock,
so she called my sister. My sister come running over.
It took them better part of an hour settle me
down enough where I could tell them what happened. Now.
They didn't tell me I was crazy. The didn't tell
me I was lying. They did try to maybe maybe

(01:54:42):
I saw this and it spooked me and my imagination
took over that type of thing. But over the years
I stuck to my guns and to the point to
where we gave it a freaking nickname and talked about it.
Every once in a while. You know, I'd go out,
but it set me back on my heels for a
good sixt eight months. I didn't go anywhere. I was scared. Yeah,
and I've never been scared of the dark of my life.

(01:55:03):
But I was there, you know, and I was having
to go down to dan Barn, you know, especially in
winter and bust ice and everything else. I went loaded
from a bear. My dad was like, what are you
doing taking my gun? And you know, I was like, well,
you know whatever, you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Can't tell your dad, Well, yeah, ahead of a you can't.
You can't you know what, you know what I did.
It's like six months ago. I'm up in Wisconsin and uh,
I'm hosting a conference up there.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
But somebody says somebody, somebody says that the conference came
in the Beast of Bray Road. It's just a mile away.
I go, what really?

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Yeah, and I just done a show on Fade to
Black with one of the research Anyway, how far away
is it? It's like two miles, man, you can find
it on your GPS. So it's myself, Scott Walter, you
know Scott. So it's Scott Walter, myself, Hayley Ramsey, my
friend Doug, and his wife Sherry.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
So we all.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Jump into a car and head out to go find
the Beast of Ray Road. We've got night vision with this.
You know, stupid we did this, Admit it is stupid.
This is not a good idea anyway, So we go.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
And we go to the spot. All right. So the
guy that owns the property Beast of Bray Road, his
house is right there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
He's got a big statue in his front yard. It's
pretty famous, right, So we turn around right there, we're
in between the two cornfields, and this is what happens.
We get out of the car and it's dark. It's midnight,
we're in between two cornfields. What's the worst that can happen? Well,
you know what, I've seen this movie, right, I've seen

(01:56:55):
this movie.

Speaker 4 (01:56:56):
And so we're out there and Scott Walter gets out
of the car and starts howling. Now Scott is six
foot eight, he's a big boy, all right, corn fed
Minnesota football player, you know, big dude. And he's howling loudly.
And I turned out. I go, dude, shut up, what

(01:57:18):
what are you doing? And uh? And he wouldn't stop.
He's life.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
I said, no, man, we're out here in the cornfields
on Bray Road. We're not howling at midnight. Now, it's
the warning that you said earlier stay quiet. And I
really got I think we all got a little bit
freaked out. What if because we're not armed, We're just

(01:57:45):
a bunch of you know, out there in the side
of the road at midnight calling him in. No, just
it's just not a smart move. The only thing that
did happen.

Speaker 4 (01:57:57):
I'll leave you. I'll leave you with this. Everybody's wondering what.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
So I'm scanning the cornfields with it with the night
vision as Scott is behind me her right now, and
I see in the middle of the cornfield, lights, lights.

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
And and so.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
But when I pulled down the night vision, I'm looking
at complete blackness for a mile, right, you can't see anything.
But in the night vision, in the middle of this
cornfield you could see this thing moving through. Yeah, it
was like two lights out. In the middle of pulling
it down, I handed the Everybody saw it. Everybody had
a chance to look in the middle of the cornfield

(01:58:38):
and Scott's her you know, he's howling, and but nothing
else around us, all the way around, nothing there. But
in the middle of this cornfield there was something there,
well one hundred percent something walking through that cornfield.

Speaker 4 (01:58:53):
You know what happened. This pickup truck pulls up in
the dark.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
Nobody, it's just us And this pickup truck pulls up
in front of us with its lights on and stops
in the middle of the in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
And you know what we did. We ran like little girls.
Scott too. We all jumped in the car, locked the
doors right like, and he just sat there. It's like, okay,
time to go, time to go, and we split.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
Do we have time for a quick orb store?

Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
You can do whatever you want. Text it's your.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
Show, okay. So there's four of us and we're up
in Brown Springs Cemetery and it was me Brandy, which
is part of the Blonde and Booze, and a friend
of hers, Holly, and a friend of mine Nick, and

(01:59:53):
we're up there together and Nick has a thermal, okay,
And we've walked through the cemetery, nothing happens, and we're
on our way out and he's looking through the thermal
and he sees this thing. He says, y'all take a
look at this, and we swapped back and forth thermal.
There was a heat signature floating about eighteen inches off

(02:00:16):
the ground, about this big a round. It would undulate
like a lot, like the bubble in a lava lamp, okay,
And you couldn't see it with your naked eye. You
could only see it on the thermal. So I said, well,
let's see what happened. So I walked towards it, and
it moved away from me, and when I backed up,

(02:00:40):
it moved back with me and kept the same distance. Hello,
And then it just kind of gradually cooled off and
cooled off and cooled off, puled off in disappear. Right
after that, Brandy had her first big foot sighting standing
right there. We both saw it at the same time.
In fact, we She's like, you see that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Yep, So Duke says, every time you say brown springs,
we have to take a shot.

Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
Yeah, yep, that's that's uh yeah, that's an inside joke
off my channel, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:01:16):
I love that. I love that. How often do you
guys broadcast.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
We're on my show? I do Monday nights and Tuesday nights,
oddly enough, Monday nights at eight pm Central and then
Tuesday nights at ten pm Central.

Speaker 4 (02:01:37):
Are you so? Are you going live as soon as
we wrap here?

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
No? Monica Rollins and Buddy Mind Randy Gilbert hosted my
show tonight. They did it on Horror Movies. Okay, so yeah,
they were doing they were going live the same time.
We were.

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
Okay, right on, right on, We'll get my best. Everybody text.
I'm sorry that we waited so long to have this
amazing conversation, but I look forward to the next time
that we're able to do it. Absolutely amazing And BMR
and Duke uh hanging out with us tonight. Danny is
here and and uh, you know the whole the whole

(02:02:12):
big Brady bunch.

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
Is well, I'd love to have you over on the
porch sometime if you'd like to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
Man, all you got to reach out to Michelle and
she'll she'll book it. She's got my calendar and she
knows nice. Yeah, just reach out to Michelle and I
would love to man.

Speaker 4 (02:02:25):
Let's let's do it. Oh cool tech texts. Enjoy the
rest of your evening, my friend.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Thank you so much. We've got the brother, We've got
it was perfect, perfect night. We've got the links to
front porch below on our website and throughout social media.

Speaker 4 (02:02:42):
Thank you so much. Go ahead, text what.

Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
I was just going to say. My first or my
first book comes out the middle of this month, and
it's a true crime book. I co wrote it with
or I co wrote it with Danielle Diva so and
it's called Infamous Minds with True Book one and it's
coming out in the middle of this month. So I'm
very proud of that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
Well, let us know, let Michelle know as soon as
it's hot and it's available, and we'll get it out.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
There for you.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
Thank you. I appreciate that appreciated text.

Speaker 4 (02:03:14):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
May have a great night, what a perfect night on
the show. There you go, all right, thank you text.
We've got the links of the text below and of
course throughout our social media and over on our website.
I do want to remind everybody that tomorrow night will
be the last show of the week. Thursday night we
are off air, but tomorrow night we're gonna celebrate my birthday.

Speaker 4 (02:03:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:39):
So I've got a bunch of friends stopping by, come
and hang out with us tomorrow night. Lots of surprises
are going down. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
So until tomorrow night, you know, all I've got is
go Backlee Teppy Made to Black, his produce Fine Hilton, JP,

(02:04:00):
Renee Newman, and Michelle Free. Special thanks to Bill John Dex,
Jessica Dennis and Kevin Webmaster is Drew the Geek. Music
by Doug Albridge. Intro Spaceboy. Aide to Black is produced
by kJ c R for.

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Fade to Black or The Game Changer Network. I'm your host,
Jimmy church Go, Beckley, Teppy