FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church BIRTHDAY BASH!

Tonight we have guests: Richard Dolan, Sarah Breskman Cosme, Hakim Isler, Michelle Freed, Whitley Strieber, and Jason Quitt with us to celebrate Jimmy's birthday!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:33):
This Hope radio for the Nazis headline of the July
late nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
The Yauni Air Force has an outstart applying this turp
has found and there's now in the possession of the yad.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Air with the game and really changed the game.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Gage.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien thread from out
it is working.

Speaker 6 (01:06):
This is Day to Black.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
Well, oh, there's Richard. He's there already, so out of
the gate. I was going to pull you in. I
was going to do this whole day. Okay, So let's
hey everybody, it's Fade to Black Wednesday, October twenty twenty five.
I am your host, Jimmy Church, and tonight is our
birthday bash and my birthday is on Friday, but I've

(01:36):
got to work this weekend. And so Michelle said, what
do you think about doing a birthday show on Wednesday.
I'll gather a bunch of your friends and let's do
I said, yeah, it's a great idea. So Michelle arranged
all of this tonight, and so thank you Michelle and

(01:57):
I want to get straight to it. I've got a
bunch of things that are happening tonight, and obviously, first
up out of the gate tonight will be the one
and only Richard Dolan. Richard and Uh Richard, thank you
so much, my friend, uh for for coming in tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
Birthdays are are special. They happen, you know, once a year,
and it seems that that's the one time that I
get you on the show now and it's my birthday.
Happy birthday, Jimmy, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm really really glad to be here.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I want you to know I recently filed a FOY
for the secret to your energy just deny still classified.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
Well done? Well yeah, well done, well done? Did you appeal?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
We're working on it. If I get that secret, I'm
using it myself.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
Oh man, you have you have.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
An incredible work ethic and I really want to commend
you and absolutely we wish you a very happy birthday tonight.
But on Friday when it actually comes and and many
many more, we need you around.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
I need you around too.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
You know. I really appreciate that. And one thing that
you and I always managed to do, I'm going to
say something a little personal, but I'm going to share
this with everybody. Richard and I when we have when
we get a chance to sit down and talk, sometimes

(03:30):
we talk you with oo's and things, but a lot
of times we just talk about life. And I remember,
I don't remember when or where this was, Richard, and
we've done this a few times, but we were talking
about our ages, you know, because you and I are
the same age, and we were talking about getting up there.
And I remember you and I talking one day about

(03:50):
how the two of us used to be the young
kids on the scene and now we're not. We're not.
We're not, we're not. We're the cranky old uncles.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
When we did our first show, I think we needed
an antenna and a code hanger, if i'm.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Not Was there electricity back at a different time? Yeah?
Do we have electricity back then? I can't even remember.
But isn't it funny how you can't stop time? Time
rolls on and and here we are. You and I
are the two, you know, gray haired among the older set.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, we're the old I'm leaning into it like I.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, I've published my first book. I was thirty eight
years old when I jumped into this field. So I
still had black hair, uh and and a lot of energy.
And man, back then, I could work till two two
thirty in the morning, no problem, and it was a
lot of fun. But now, you know, we're in our sixties,
if I can say that, and the body, the body

(04:55):
likes to yell at me a lot more now, a
lot more in all different ways.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I'm noticed, but I accepted. It's just part of the process.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
And where the body doesn't always want to behave, I
find that the you know, I'm still the mind is
still good for me, and I noticed for you, and
that's really the most important thing.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
I remember. I don't know the name of the movie,
so don't ask. I don't remember, but this is I
think about you. I'm watching this UFO science It was
a science fiction movie about whatever, and it was set
around a group of people like in roswell or out

(05:39):
in the desert, and they end up going to this
UFO conference. So they walk in the conference and they're
doing this thing and I don't know, they're chasing aliens
or something. But as they walk through the conference room,
there's a presenter on stage and the camera briefly shows

(06:00):
a very young Richard Dolan standing up at this podium
with your long hair, right, yeah for a little while, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and you're speaking to the audience. And I've what it
what you know, when I sat up and I looked
and you you were so you were so fresh, you

(06:22):
were so young, and and to stop and think about that,
where we do eventually grow up, right, We take a breath, mint,
we wash our face, we shave, and we become adults.
Do you feel like an adult?

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I think yes.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I think I felt like an adult back then too,
if I may say, but you know what what drives me,
and I am certain what drives you is I don't
really worry about like how do I how do I
come across Do I come across mature enough or this
or that. I'm driven by my curio and I think
you are too. And you know, back when twenty five

(07:06):
years ago, when I was just breaking into this field
and people were finding out about me, I was I
had a lot of questions about the UFO subject, and
I was interested in asking them, and and for all
of these years ever since, it's it's never really changed
for me. I've just I have questions that I want

(07:28):
to ask and if other people are interested in coming
along the ride with me, then my attitude is, let's
talk about these these matters together. And I don't really
I don't worry too much honestly about am I Am
I an adult now?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Am I not an adult now? Like I just I
just want to do my thing.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
And I actually I mean this subject talking about uap
UFOs is maddening, but it's fascinating. It never it's ever
released his grip on my imagination and on my curiosity.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
That's the child's side of you. Yeah, I think so, yeah, Yeah,
And you've always if I may, you've always stood your
ground for the UFO community. You haven't bent, and you
haven't conformed, you haven't tapped out. And I'm going to

(08:27):
remind you. I'm not going to say who because he's
no longer with us, but there was a moment where
I got to see Richard stand up. Literally. You and
I were sitting having a private conversation R at a
conference and it's just the two of us sitting at
a table, and this guy comes up. I'm not going
to say who he is, he's not with us anymore,

(08:48):
but he comes up and he says something that was
probably innocent, but it was the way that he said it.
So he says hello, Jimmy, and I said hello, and
he turns to you and he goes, so, Richard, are
you going to say something dumb today? And you stood
up and you said what and you leaned into it.

(09:08):
I thought, Okay, here we go, Richard, Okay, it's go time.
And I uh and then and he said, no, Richard,
it's me. You and I were roommates at the blah
blah blah blah blah. And you go, oh, oh, all right.
I took offense to what you said, and and he said,

(09:29):
I'm sorry. Do you remember that particular moment? Okay, hold on,
hold on, remember go to the private chat. I'm going
to type in uh the okay, huh.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I was never a roommate with him.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
But you do you remember the moment? Though?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
People are wondering, what are they talking about?

Speaker 6 (10:03):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
I don't want you the guy that I never I
never liked. Oh really, I never liked him. If this
is the one that I think you're doing, yeah, it
is a few people.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
They can rub you the wrong way, and this guy
rubbed me the wrong way every single time we talked
and he didn't just rub me the wrong way. He
rubbed a lot of people the wrong way because he
was I think he was often actually rude. If we're
talking about the same person, we are we are so
I didn't have a lot of I had no patience
for him. And we did a few events together over
ten years ago. We're talking ten fifteen years ago, and

(10:37):
he was he was quite popular for a certain reason
for a while. Yep, and uh, but no, I found
him rude and crude and obnoxious, and I never liked him.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
I thought you were going to say, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Wouldn't be surprised that I acted that way.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Now people are like, who are they talking about?

Speaker 6 (10:59):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
He's no longer with us, and no point.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
No, no, but but my point is, you will literally
stand up for the community, and you know, saying something
like that, which I thought was pretty obnoxious. Are you
going to say something dumb? No, One'm not man. You know,
I speak the truth and and I'm based on fat
It was. It was just a moment.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well that's really nice of you to say that, And
I do you know, I think I'm not the only
one who feels that way, but yes, I do fail
that uap or as I like, I still prefer UFO community.
You know, how do I say this? There are many
good people in this field, so it's not like one

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person has to be the person one to defend the
integrity of the field. But there have been many times
over the last several decades where there have been individuals
who I think have impugned the integrity of this subject
in many, many ways. And particularly you know, when you

(12:07):
are you know, constantly you're dealing with a subject that
you feel is extremely important, that deals with literal intelligences
that are here interacting with this planet and the people
on this planet with with a plan and with intent.

(12:28):
So that's important. And for years and years and years,
this field cannot get an audience and cannot get anyone
to take it seriously. Yes, like it needs people to
defend it and it needs it needs its integrity defended.
So I'm willing to do that. You are willing to
do that. I think a lot of folks are willing
to stand up to do that. But it's important, and

(12:50):
that means not just having to follow the latest.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Uh you know, like I have a.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
YouTube channel, but I'm not really super active. I mean
I'll put out of video once every week or two.
But because I don't want to feel like I have
to put something out just in order to get my
clicks and get my likes. I want to put something
out when I feel it's actually when it's proper and
appropriate for me to do it. And you know you're

(13:17):
always writing that line because you know we want, we
want to get our message out. So we realize, Okay,
I got to play the game. I've got to I've
got to do the publicity. But then on the other hand,
you're thinking, am I keeping this real? Am I keeping
this authentic? So for me, we all have to make
our own decision in the way that we know how
to do that.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
And I just I don't.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Want to sacrifice the quality of the content that I
put out just because I want I want to get
more attention or something like that.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I just don't want to do that.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
It's so many times I find and then I want
to move on off of this because tonight we're celebrating
my birthday, but it's all about you, It's all about
me tonight. But sometimes I find that there are certain
individuals that allow ego to take over and they just

(14:16):
make shit up and that is.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Very you know, look, you know this, this is the world,
and I've seen this many times. You have seen this
many times, and it's very easy for this to happen.
Like if someone has not been in that position, it
may be harder to understand. But like when you because

(14:41):
I've had to deal with this as well, like when
you are you do something that puts you in the
limelight in a community, it will feed your ego like
that absolutely happens, and that is a danger that is
always a great danger to be guarded against because it
is fatal and I mean unfortunately, like you do see

(15:03):
it happening. And it's like we're always battling this, like
you you know, we're human beings and everyone wants to
get a pat on the back and get a nice
atta boy and all of these wonderful things. But that
can never be the motivation why why you do this?
For me, it is it's always about the subject matter.
It is always about the UFO subject and that is

(15:27):
what that drives me all the time. And just of late,
you know, I ask the questions that interest me. I
don't ask the questions that like a lot of other
people are asking, like these days. Actually, I am trying
to understand patterns of behavior of these beings. And I'll

(15:47):
just mention this because I'm just about finished with my
second volume of USO history, and I just keep seeing
patterns and it's really leading me. I don't know if
there's such a subject as alien anthropology, but if there
is is I am I'm very interested in.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
I really want to understand.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
The mind behind these beings, if that's at all possible,
and I don't know if I'll ever really be able to,
but I again, I follow my curiosity and I just
want to be true to.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
That all I try to do. And I love what
you just said. I respect it because I have morphed
into the very same thing in that I am trying
to get answers. I'm trying to get educated, and that

(16:36):
to me is more important than reporting a story I
don't want. That's that's that's not my what. No. I
am on a quest to figure stuff out, and that's
what fade to Black is. It's me asking questions so
I can learn, and if I learn, my audience learns.

(16:57):
It's not about clicks, not about It's about me going
to school. And that's that's that's that and it makes
me so happy. I mean, my happy place. I'm not
in an ego driven place.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
I don't give you're a nice you're a nice position
with what you do. I mean you really it's wonderful
because you just get to have great conversations like all
the time, and that's that is one thing that keeps
someone sharp, and you know, God bless you for it.
I'm very glad that you get to do this because
you are someone I always felt.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
This way like you are driven.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
You're you're a natural for radio or for like you know,
interactive conversations like this.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
That's just it's it's in your wheelhouse.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
But you're genuinely driven by this topic that I know
has always fascinated you.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
So it's it's just wonderful.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I'm glad you get to do this, and I'm glad
you you made another orbit around the Earth, and I
want to have I want you to have many more.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
When I thank you for that, Richard. One last question
before I say good night, And I know that you're
going to go put on your tin the tool man
tool belt and go and get back to work and
doing what you're doing right now. But three, I Atlas.
Can you can you give me a two or three
sentence sum up of where your head is with this.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think it's fascinating, And you know, I'm kind of
I'm kind of on AVI Lobe's side here as far
as I can understand him. I don't know that Avi
Lobe has said this thing is absolutely artificial.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
He's not said that.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
What he has been saying, and I think he's right
to say this is that it's pretty damned interesting. It
seems like it's extremely large, it has certain types of
chemical signatures that are unusual or even as he says, anomalistic,
there are enough unusual things about it from a professional

(18:57):
astronomer's point of view that I think he's right to
point out the possibility.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
He said, Look, this is only.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
The third at least a third official interstellar object that
we have recorded. Of course, we only recorded the first
one less than a decade ago. But nevertheless, it's like,
let's look at some you know, extreme possibilities. I think,
as they used to say on the X Files, I
don't think that's an outrageous claim to make. I caught

(19:29):
Ross's Coulthart really coming down on a very prosaic explanation
about this, and I caught Abby Loeb's reaction. He was
very upset about it. He seemed very angry. But I
can kind of understand. I mean, all due respect to Ross,
for me, I would not I don't feel that I

(19:51):
would be in a position to say I think this
is prosaic. Who the hell am I I'm not a scientist,
it's not It is not really for me to make
I don't have a qualified opinion on it, but I
I mean, I note that avilbe is he seems to
be alone among professional astronomers, not necessarily because no one

(20:13):
else agrees with him, I suspect, but probably because no
one else is really willing to just put themselves out there,
because that's the nature of their culture, and there's you know,
how they are. But look, I mean, you know, the
solution to any of these mysteries is you just study
it and you get as much data as you can
while it's in the neighborhood. And why do we need

(20:37):
to jump to conclusions about it? I really, I don't
feel any need to have an opinion about this, and
I just think that let's just wait, wait and see, and.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Hopefully, I mean there will be a lot of.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Data that can be collected about it by the time
you know it's done with us.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
It's interesting things like the fact that it came in
on the plane on the elliptic of the elliptic.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
You know, which is very very defined. Now it might
be that, you know, I don't know all of the
mechanics and physics of why the elliptic is how it is,
and I suppose that should not have any effect on
another body coming in. But the Milky Way galaxy is

(21:29):
on I think basically the same elliptic, isn't it. So
you might you might think that the odds would be
in favor of lis.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Is it on the same elliptic as the galaxy?

Speaker 6 (21:39):
Yeah, I don't, well see that it is.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I don't really know.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Once you once you back out, you start to see,
you know, when you we back out, you start to
see that everything is basically a microcosm of what's inside. Right,
So the elliptic, you know, and it look up, Yeah,
we should know, right, No, No, you you are correct.

(22:05):
Basically it's like five degrees off, okay, or something like
that of our of our star systems elliptic.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
So so if that's the case, that's not random.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
I don't think that's random. And you know what else
I don't think is random? And and then I do
have to go Okay, that the green room is filling up.
As you can see is when you back out off
of our Sun and then back out of the milky
way far enough where the milky Way now is just

(22:37):
a white dot, and you back out it and you're
surrounded by the white dots of trillions of other galaxies
that the three I Atlas, out of everything, of the
ginormity of all there is orbited our Sun. Come on, man,
that's what kind of coincidence do we need to look

(22:57):
at for that?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
There's probably there may be a lot of activity in
the local group here and in the local.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Part of our I don't know.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
I'm just I'm just, you know, fascinated with I'm fascinated
with the lottery aspect of this. You know, what are
the odds?

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, I mean, it sounds like you and I may
not be far apart on this. I'm very much supporting
abviy Lob on this. I think, I mean, as long
as I don't think he's saying it's definitely artificial, and
as long as he's not doing that, which I don't
think he is.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I think he's just raising some interesting points about it.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Richard, stay right there, Sarah, tilts your camera down. Tilt
your camera down just a little bit. There you go.
And before I say good night to Richard, I'm gonna
say good evening to Sarah Prestman. Cosme.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Hi, Hi guys, Hi.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
Richard, Hi, Jimmy, how are.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
Well? Get Thank you for that. Richard, Thank you so much,
my friend. You're the absolute very best and I'll be
seeing you soon and until we meet again and see
each other again, enjoy your vine if you know what
I mean. Wink wink, and say hello to Tracy for me.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Happy birthday, take care of everyone.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Richard Dolan, everybody, Thank you so much Richard for taking
the time celebrating my birthday with Richard Dolan and Sarah Breskman. Cosme, Sarah,
how you doing.

Speaker 8 (24:16):
I'm great? How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (24:18):
It's my birthday? I'm doing great.

Speaker 8 (24:21):
I hope you have cake over there?

Speaker 6 (24:23):
My daughter? Yeah, my daughter made me a cake of
the Giza plateau. So she comes in right. So I
posted online if you guys want to go check out
my social media and go check out the cake. But
this is how special it was, Sarah. She goes, Dad,

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the sand right, so she got the three Pyramids, She's
got the Sphinx. She goes, this sand is cinnamon crumbles,
so you know it's got sand. Yeah, so cool, man,
I got all choked. I mean, she just she spent
so much and it was so special. Or you know

(25:03):
what I did today, Sarah, I did the coolest thing.
I was just mentioning this to Richard backstage. I did
one of the coolest things I have ever done in
my life today.

Speaker 8 (25:19):
What because I want to do this too.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
I took my daughter for a ride on my Harley
through the desert. Father and daughter.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
How cool?

Speaker 6 (25:31):
I mean, you know, and I got my helmet right,
I'm right, and I'm just like this, Wow.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
What did she think?

Speaker 8 (25:42):
Did she like it?

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Okay? So she it was her first ride, her first
time on a motorcycle, and she goes Dad, I said,
you're going to be fine, honey. It's like a couch.
You know, you got you got a whole chair back there,
so you're gonna be fine. So she gets on and
we take off. So anyway, we rode for about an hour.

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But when when we got back to my place and
she gets off. She goes, that wasn't scary, that was fun.
I said, exactly. But oh man, so I told her,
I said, one day this is all yours. I got
to teach you to ride now, And I said, you're
officially a Harley Chick. She goes, I am so, Oh.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
That's so sweet, it's so cute.

Speaker 6 (26:33):
It's it's so you know when you isn't it. Uh,
you're a parent, You're a mom. Isn't it to put
it into words, especially people that don't understand that, that
don't have kids. Celebrating your birthday with your kids is magic.

(26:54):
That's the only way to describe it.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
Oh that's so sweet.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:02):
I mean my youngest is eleven, so he's celebrating with him.
Is like, what am I going to do for him?
So we haven't mastered like, you know, people doing things
for me yet. So well, my daughter, sometimes it depends.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Sometimes you sent me.

Speaker 6 (27:21):
I'm going to tell everybody, uh what Sarah did today.
She flooded, Uh flooded me my text with a bunch
of pictures of us together over the years, and I
got to tell you we have We've done a lot
of We've had a lot of special moments, haven't we,
you know, because we do so much together, and you know,

(27:42):
one year, a day turns into a month, turns into
a year, and next thing, you know, you know, time flies.
But we've had some really cool moments together, haven't we?

Speaker 8 (27:52):
Oh my gosh, so much fun. It's true. It's like
everybody is like this family. You know. Everybody that comes
to the show. Was everybody that we that speaks at
the shows.

Speaker 9 (28:03):
Everybody just ends.

Speaker 8 (28:03):
Up getting so close together. But yeah, I was trying
to spam you with a bunch of pictures.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
It was great. He was great.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
I think my favorite was the coconuts.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
Coconuts are cool. But the elevator, Oh my god, what
was up with that?

Speaker 8 (28:21):
Like we were so Jimmy and I were on a
cruise and all of a sudden we enter in the
elevator and a guy there's a piano.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
Yeah, there's a piano in the elevator.

Speaker 9 (28:33):
How do you get a piano in the elevator?

Speaker 8 (28:35):
It was sort of like how the Atlanteans or how
they moved all the stones, you know, it was like,
how is it even possible?

Speaker 7 (28:43):
And the guy was playing and.

Speaker 10 (28:44):
Singing, and so were we, and and and.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
I forgot all about that, and and so we're singing
on the elevator and then at the end, God, it
was such a fun moment. I turned around and yelled,
free bird. Yeah, you know, it's so it's just the
moments like that. You know. I've gotten to the point

(29:12):
where here I am, you know, sixty two, and I
am so appreciative of the family that we have built,
and our circle of friends, and and our quest for
knowledge and stuff. And and when when I see stuff,
we we do so much of it that we kind

(29:33):
of forget more than we remember. And that's what happens
with age.

Speaker 8 (29:38):
I guess we're just getting old.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (29:41):
So that's good.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
Maybe we'll do stuff and you'll completely forget.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Well, Okay, while I've got you here, We've got a
lot of stuff planned. But I do want to mention
to everybody that Sarah and I are going to be
going to Egypt with a group in twenty twenty seven.

(30:06):
Not just any trip to Egypt, is it. We are
going for the eclipse, the totality over Luxer that is
going to talk about memories, right, hoh man, This is
a big one, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
I know this is.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
Going to be so magical because I mean, I mean,
when can you actually go and experience the line of
totality in Luxer and meditate and be in these temples
right when this is happening. Never never eclipses usher in
new energy. And so it's such an amazing opportunity to

(30:47):
bring a bunch of fun people together and just experiences together.
That trip's going to be so magical.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Everyone's going to have BOMO.

Speaker 8 (30:57):
So you better sign up because everyone's going to want
to go. Oh after it's completely sold out.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
That is that's how things like this normally go. At
least with with this event, you can see the significance
of it, the rarity of it. And then when you
combine all of the things that are happening at the
same time. But then you throw in Luxer, and you

(31:22):
throw in Sarah and Jimmy and a bunch of friends. Wow,
And you know, here's here's the other thing. You know,
We're not going to be the only people there doing this.
We're gonna have a lot of friends that are going
to be there. It's going to be amazing that we're
all going to be there at the same time.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I'm so excited.

Speaker 9 (31:42):
It's going to be magical because everybody else that's going
to be there has the same attention in mind. I mean,
this is a once in a lifetime trip. So yeah,
Jimmy and I are not just doing a regular no.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
No, We're going to take a lot of pictures. But yeah,
it's going to be so fun and so special. I
want to ask you, I want to ask you this
really quick, that this community is wonderful. It's amazing. You

(32:16):
came into this community bright eyed and bushy tails, okay,
and uh, you've got a little taste of the community
in the beginning, and I know what it's like. It's like,
come on in, the water's warm. This is a great
place to be. But how how wonderful has it been
to have the community, uh, not only respond to you,

(32:41):
but have an immense amount of interest in the work
that you do and that you're sharing. How to walk
me through that, I.

Speaker 8 (32:52):
Mean, honestly, I'm just I never expected it. I just
really absolutely love what I do. And you know, it's
just really mind blowing actually that everyone's so fascinated and
all the material that I've collected or that I'm researching,
because I consider myself a researcher. I mean, I, yes,

(33:13):
I'm doing this research through the subconscious of my clients
as they're under hypnosis. But I feel the way I've
set it up that it is very validating research because
I have multiple subjects, so I'm not just using one
person under hypnosis. I have a whole test group, and

(33:33):
I'm testing each and every one of them, and I'm
investigating through their subconscious and I'm finding the similarities and
this information that's coming out because I don't like to
just speculate or guess about anything. I want to go
deep into the material. Is I myself want to know everything.

(33:55):
So I just follow what I'm curious about myself, and
when I have questions, I go investigate to find those answers.
And I'd like to actually find out what happened, not
just well maybe this could be it, or this could
be that. I want to find out what actually happened.
I want to know what is it that we have
to know? What are the secrets that's been kept from humanity?

(34:18):
And so I've just been sharing this type of information
and people have just responded. It's been changing their lives, really,
it seems like.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
And that is really.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
Like, it's really rewarding to me because it's changed.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
It's changed you too, I've seen it, yes, And when
you know a few years ago, when I would introduce
you and I would go to the back of the
room and I would watch your you know how, and
the information is one thing, but I just like to
see the style and how communication is done because I

(35:00):
it's what I do. And when I watch you today,
you're so comfortable now, and the way you present the
information is the exact opposite of what you did three
years ago. I bet if you went and watched yourself
on stage three years ago. But I can't watch this.
I can't.

Speaker 9 (35:21):
Oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 8 (35:22):
I was so nervous. I mean, I was so nervous,
I'd like blow out my deodorant, Like every.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
Time you're not you you are, I feel because.

Speaker 7 (35:33):
I'm so excited that I'm like.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
Now, I'm like, oh, I have a captive audience. I
like tell him everything, and I'm sure let them have it.
I'm like, you want to know about this? And then
this is what happens with blood types when they activate
and then you know, like there's so much information and
content that I received every single day, and so you know,

(35:57):
I I think I I think. I told you one
time I thought my husband, my real husband, was going
to turn over to my side and start listening to me.
And I thought, oh my god, because and he's normally
not interested in any of this stuff, like he'd rather
talk about something interesting like boats, yeah, and then fishing.

(36:20):
Did someone take his fishing spot? Something interesting? You know?
And so one day he came into where I was
and he asked me an alien question, yeah, And.

Speaker 9 (36:33):
I thought, oh my god, is this happening right now?

Speaker 8 (36:36):
Like, you know, you got to take the opportunities when
they come, right. So I was like, let me just
tell you everything. So I just went gung ho and
I just let him have it, like I told him,
I should have received an Emmy. You know, stack good?

Speaker 6 (36:49):
You know what I mean, Sarah, I'm going to cut
you off and say life is complete. Right, you do
the circle. You completed the circle, Hakeen, tilt your camera down,
tilt your camera down. There you go, because we're gonna say,
welcome to hake Missler.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Say how are you.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I'm doing good? How are you doing I'm good. I
didn't realize that I would be on the show with you.
I mean, forget Jimmy. I know, right, Sarah My gosh.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
I know right. Hey, Sarah, thank you so much for
for making out.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
You're the best.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Thank you, honey, And I'll be seeing you soon. We've
got a lot to do, and I will. I've got
some emails and some other stuff. But I'm also gonna
text you something pretty interesting after the show. You're gonna
you're gonna laugh, all right, So I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
Bye, hockey, Bye you guys. Have a great rest of
your night.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
Thank you, Sarah, Sarah Brestman cosme man. She glows hakeeen,
Yeah she does. She glows, she glows, she glows. How
you doing, man?

Speaker 10 (38:00):
Man?

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I am doing good. I've been I'm doing good. Trying
to catch up. There's been a lot of moving around
and a lot of moving pieces, so just trying to
settle in and I got a week off and then
I'm back into the thick of it.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
So what what do you? And thank you? Uh? Uh
and putting this together tonight? Uh for this? Uh? You know,
to have friends and people that not only that I
have respect for, but that you know are in our
circle to come in and hang out with me tonight
is it means a lot to me, man, So just

(38:33):
just thank you for that. I came very very very cool.
What do this? This week and last week? You have
been a part of conversations that I've had with a
lot of different people, and not only you uh as

(38:54):
an individual, but what you are working on and how
the world is dealing with it. And yesterday you came up.
I was out riding my Harley. I'm out in the
middle of the desert by this lake that I go to,
and I pull in to this little picnic area and

(39:14):
there was a bike there with a sidecar on it,
but the parking lot was empty. So I go to
the back I come to and I stopped and I said, hey, man,
nice nice bike, nice side car. I meet this Guy's
name is Steve. And I meet his wife and Charlene,
and she's blind, okay. And so we started talking and

(39:38):
I said, hey, hey, I'm going to tell you guys
about something. And I just got back from this conference
and this and this happened, and this happened, and so
I'm going to introduce you. She's blind blind blind, okay.
And so I call up Dahlia and I said, okay,

(40:03):
I need I need the information for vision, you know,
and only because of you and what you set up,
I am able to help this person that I meet
on the side of a lake in the middle of
the desert.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
How cool is.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
That that's because of Hakey missler Man.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Well, thank you, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's a lot
of It is really amazing to see an era or
a time in which more people are aware that we
not only have these abilities, but what these abilities are,
and how they can be taught or shown to other

(40:43):
people to inspire them towards their own growth on these
most in their own multi dimensional nature. And so you know,
I'm truly inspired to see what's happening now, to see
that there is a person like Dahlia out there who
can see her without her eyes, and then can can

(41:04):
put that information together in such a way that she
can help people who are blind see I'm not sure
if you know, but she's actually working with two people
who are completely blind.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
One lady was.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Born without her eyes, and she's been teaching her to
use this ability. And that's powerful. That's powerful. We are
in a different time that maybe these gifts were around
some time ago, long long ago, that there were more
people doing them, but at some point it kind of
faded off, and now we're reawakening to the possibilities and

(41:42):
having access to these possibilities. So yeah, I commend you
for being able to pass that information on, and I'm
glad that we both have come together to you know,
come to a link in which we can actually improve
this lady's life that you just meet on the side
of the lake.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
Yeah. Well, you know, uh, you know, tonight we're you know,
hanging out celebrating my birthday, right, it's a birthday. But
you know, as as I get older, you know, another
trip around the sun, I am finding out that the
value of life. And I think that anybody, how do

(42:23):
you know when somebody is getting older, when they just
start talking about weird shit that they wouldn't talk about
when they're younger, you know, and you start to really
seriously look at the meaning of life. Why are we here?
You know? What happens later? The significance of it all?

(42:44):
You know, what would would you know? And these these
start to become very profound questions that aren't important or
as important when you're younger. It's just not that's that's it.
It's called life. I get it. But the value of
life and why we are here, I think is more

(43:07):
and more of learning and sharing that wisdom with others.
That is a crazy it's such a rewarding thing to do. Right.
So some would say that that thing that happened by
this lake, that she got a gift from you and

(43:31):
I and from Dahlia. Right, No, I got the gift.
The gift was me. That the byproduct, right, the after
effects was the information that she got. But the gift
was to me. And I'm finding out that that's more

(43:52):
important to me than just about anything else. Happiness and
sharing knowledge and sharing it with others. That that's that's
what puts a smile on my face. And and that's
that's that's what I have. If I can share you know,
wisdom with anybody, you know, my old ass right would

(44:13):
be that would be that, yeah, share share with others
what you have learned.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, you know. A happy birthday to you. And
I must say that you are the probably the only
thirty four year old I know that dyes their beard gray.
So this is pretty amazing.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
It's hard to find. It's hard to find that hair.
I have to order it. It comes it comes out
of Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
But yeah, silver gray wisdom or you know die. So, yeah,
I I can feel you on that, and I really
think that that's really amazing that you are You've come
to that realization in your own life. I think we
could all find and value in that. So it's wonderful

(45:02):
to hear you share that.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
But that's exactly where did you develop this mentality because
it's what you do too.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Mm hmm. You mean the mentality of me have inheriting
these gifts and then wanting to share them, turn around
and share them.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, I think that this idea of service has been
really strong in my growth. Not only did my mom
serve people and love sharing and teaching, but I think
at some point I had to make a decision in

(45:42):
my own life if I was going to be a
taker or a giver. And and I grew up around
in a in an environment where people my age were
very much taking and not giving. They would take from
other people because they felt like they had to. And
I was lucky enough to see another side where people

(46:03):
were actually giving and see how that was so precious
and valuable to the world as a whole, And so
very early on I realized that I wanted to be
more of a giver, even though I was surrounded by
a bunch of takers. And so I think that's where
it really solidified for me that the archetype or the

(46:26):
idea of this like hero a person who wanted to
be strong for other people. And that's kind of what
I've been doing my whole life is since I made
up my mind that's what that was who I was
going to be. Then everything, my journey itself has turned
into that type of journey. Not saying I'm a hero,

(46:47):
but just saying that I'm a person who very much
wants to serve and very much wants to learn and
knowledge not for my own sake, but for the sake
of those around me, to help empower their lives in
any way that I possibly can.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
Somewhere along the line, I'm not sure exactly when, but
somewhere consuming and being self centered became the de facto
meaning of life. That that was happiness. And so when

(47:27):
when that took over the mindset of the world, Observing
somebody else's position and offering assistance was not only a concern,
it wasn't even a thought, you know what I mean.

(47:49):
It's like and it happened so fast that now today
the people who are special and unique are the one
and the small minority are the ones that talk about
these things about service to others and helping. It's like

(48:11):
it should be the opposite, that should be the rule,
not the exception. And now I think things have like
almost come full circle, where now we are forced to
look at what we have ended up doing to the planet.
And how do I say this? The classes, the classes

(48:36):
of the masses. How did we get to this point?
And I don't want the last thing keen that I'm considered.
I'm not talking about communal living on a love farm
with a bunch of hippies. That's not what I no, No,
I would hate that. I would not I would escape
from that my first first night out. I'm jumping the fence.

(49:00):
It's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about
is compassion for others. That's all. If just put that first,
you're gonna wake up tomorrow no matter what, and you're
gonna have a brand new day. But I guarantee that
no matter how messed up you think, your life is

(49:21):
no matter and it could be real. There was somebody
out there wishing they were you.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Mm, that's it.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think probably if I was to if
I was to add to that something of value.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I believe that.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
This aspect of what you were talking about of not
necessarily going out for service, but this consumerism where we
value the thing or the product in somewhere in our
society that became very valuable for the average person is

(50:00):
to consume, to consume, to have more, to get, to get,
and it became less at some point about the relationship.
And what we're finding now is that people are starting
to wake up because they feel like this disconnect from
the world and they feel that they're alone, and they
feel that they have all the stuff, but they feel

(50:20):
still feel empty. And you hear this story all the
time where people who have no money and then all
of a sudden get a million dollars and they're still
not happy.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
They all they want in the world is money so
I can buy anything that I could ever need. And
then they get all the money in the world and
they have everything that they can ever need, and they're
still not happy. And then they realize that it's not
about consuming and continuously buying stuff, but really what's really
evaluable and important is the relationships you build, and part

(50:51):
of building those relationships is learning how to live in
a mutual service to them and them to you, and
you got work together to build something, whether it's an
individual or a group of individuals.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
And so.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It feels like you're right. There is a shift there
as we start to recognize as a species how disruptive
and how chaotic life is when you're just taking and
you're just consuming and you're not actually feeding back or
putting anything back into the world, and how it's destructive

(51:27):
to the world, how it's destructive to the physical human being,
how it's destructive to the spirit, and that there's got
to be a bit of way and service seems to
be service and gratitude. I would love to say service
and gratitude tend to be the thing. It seems like
that's the sun and the water for the seed that's
going to grow inside of us.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
So, yeah, now you're exactly right, and I mean so
much so if we take what you just said and
simplify it a little bit, Let's say not a million dollars,
but let's say if you go to somebody and you
take away the stress of paying rent or mortgage, take

(52:09):
the stress away of paying bills. You don't give them money,
but you take the stress away from all of that
so they don't have to stress out on that. Right.
Oh man, my electricity is going to get turned off
next week. I either pay the car payment or I
pay the electric bill. But I'm gonna, you know, take
that stress out, take that stress out. What would you

(52:30):
do for happiness after that? If you could just if
we take those stresses away, what would you want to do? Right?
That is the magic of it, and what is it?
That is where you find your true bliss and you
glow on the inside and you find your true happiness,

(52:51):
and when you do that, your true self comes out.
I'm happy. I mean, Haikeen, you would say that you've
experienced my happiness and my being comfortable with myself because
you've experienced me saying stupid shit comes right out of

(53:15):
my mouth, comes right out of my mouth. And I've
seen Hakim roll his eyes and just go he didn't
just say that, he didn't. But that's because I'm comfortable.
I'm happy, and I don't wear a mask. I'm not strutting,
you know, And that the world was just like Hakm

(53:38):
or like just where you get to the point where
you're happy and you can chase your bliss. That's when
you glow from me inside out. And unfortunately with with me,
what you get with that as I speak, whatever you
know and it just comes out of my mouth. But
that's only because it's me and I'm not wearing a

(54:00):
stressed out mask and trying to be something that I'm not.
And the world would be a different place, wouldn't it.
And I think we're getting I think we're making those changes,
don't you.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I think in a lot of ways we are. I
think it's half and half. There are people still lost
and wondering and trying to figure out what's going on,
and they're trapped in the cycle created by social media
and other things. And then there are people who I
meet who are really out there awakening to their true
potential into the thing that that brings them joy. And

(54:33):
I wouldn't even say happiness because somebody was saying this recently.
You know, happiness is fleeting. It can be you know,
you could be happy one moment and turn around and
be sad very soon after that. And so what does
it mean to like really experience you know, uh, liberation

(54:55):
and joy on a deep level where even when things
go wrong, you still understand what the true nature of
your reality is.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
Well, I'm going to tell you what it is. You
are going to answer that the wise sage that I
am because it's my birthday and I'm one year older,
and that that yeah, yeah, man, that's right, that's right,
that's right. Stop lying to yourself. Stop lying to yourself.

(55:24):
When you get to that point where you can go,
I mean, you are alone, you close the closet door
and just standing there. Today's the day. I'm not lying
to myself anymore, you know, don't lie to yourself. And
that's that's when those changes happen. That's when those changes happen.

(55:47):
You're right. Happiness is fleeting, and also sadness is fleeting
too as well. It's that's all yesterday's stuff. You know.
Always you're you know, we're always always in the future,
always in the future. This second is now gone. It's gone.
You can't get it back at that. Happiness is fleeting.

(56:10):
Live in the moment, don't lie to yourself, chase your
bliss and move forward. You know, the sadness that you feel,
the anger that you feel, you know what my daughter, Okay,
you know what my daughter said to me today. She
said the coolest thing. A few weeks ago. I don't
want to get into her personal stuff, but a few

(56:30):
weeks ago she called me and said, Dad, this just happened.
This just happened. What am I going to do? And
we talked through it a little bit. I said, Okay, honey,
I want you to listen to me. Okay, I love you.
In two weeks, two weeks from today, you're going to

(56:52):
forget about this as dark as it is, as crazy
as it is, but opportunities are gonna just be in
front of you. And two weeks from now, I'm going
to say to you, I told you so. Today on
my couch, she's here celebrating my birthday. She goes, Dad,
do you remember that phone call we had two weeks ago?

Speaker 8 (57:13):
Right?

Speaker 6 (57:14):
She goes, you were right, life is great. I said,
you were in a bad place because I will, Dad,
I will always listen to you. And now just think
about that. That's the same advice I would give to anybody.
I get it. I get it. Live in the moment,
Live in the moment. If you if you stress out

(57:35):
on something from last week or yesterday, you can't get
that back, you know, don't stress out on that. Live
in the moment, as difficult as it is. In the future,
you're going to look back at that moment that was
stressing you out going, Ah, that was nothing. It's true,
isn't it. It's just amazing how true that is.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
And another phrase I love is this too shall pass.
I'm sure you've that and you know, and then in
the army, we had nothing. Nothing that sucks last forever,
nothing bad last, you know, and so this just idea
that that would keep us going and motivated and all
our hard training is like, oh man, this thing sucks,
but it's not going to last forever. At some point

(58:17):
it's going to end. And then I'm going to look
back on it and say, man, that really made me tough,
or yeah it was tough at the time, but it
really helped me out today's journey.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
It's all part of It's all.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Part of the journey. Yeah, yeah, you know, And so
that that's part of it. That's it's it's ways. These
things sometimes have amazing aspects to them that improve our
lives in ways that we don't even realize until we
get to a juncture in our life and we say, oh,
if I hadn't had that happen, then I wouldn't be

(58:50):
ready for this, you know. And we see the true
value of something that we at one point hate it,
and you know, was thought was just our darkest moment
in life, but one day it turns into the most
brightest moment or the brightest lesson we have to help
us through an even tougher time, or to make us
realize that we are capable of doing a particular thing,

(59:14):
you know. And so I definitely live by that because
I've seen it happen enough in my life, and I've
seen it happen in other people's lives, so I agree
with you.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
Thank you so much, Hakeem for celebrating and coming in today,
my friend, and thank you for being my personal security.
You allow me to walk around without fear, and that's
why Missler hakm, thank you so much, my friend. We
will talk soon. We've got a lot of stuff to do, man,
and thank you for your journey in this world with

(59:43):
our community. Really appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I'm blessed to know you.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Haki, Missler, everybody, thank you so much, Hakim. And with that,
we're going to take a quick commercial break. I am
your host, Stummy Church tonight. Just got a bunch of
my friends hanging out to help me celebrate my birthday.
That's right, sixty two trips around the Sun birthdays. Not today,
It's Friday, but I have to work on Friday. I
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(01:04:08):
I'm your host, Jimmy Church. Tonight we're gonna celebrate my
birthday with a bunch of friends coming in and yeah,
it's special to me, and just thank you for everybody
in the chat and social media and all the birthday
wishes out there. It's very cool. And we say it
all the time, you know, another trip around the sun,

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but it comes around. It it's just once a year.
And for me, I have to work this weekend. I
have to jump on a plane tomorrow and go and
get stuff done on my birthday. So it was Michelle,
my producer, said let's do this. Let's do a birthday
show and we'll do it early. And I said, you know, okay, okay,

(01:04:52):
all right, yeah, let's do that. And in getting things
set up, I thought, well, let's bring you on the show,
and she's right here, Michelle Free, the producer of Fade
to Black. Happy birthday. I get to thank you for that, Michelle.
I get to introduce you to the world. Right.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
Oh my gosh, the world. It's a big place.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
Yeah, you're the glue. You're the one that holds us
thing together. And I you know, I know, we're here
talking about my birthday tonight. We don't even have to
do any of that, but I do. I thank you
so much for the hard work and for putting up
with me and getting this thing done every single week,

(01:05:40):
week after week. We've known each other for a long time.
You've been with me for a long time, but this
is your first time on the show, and just thank
you for everything. I'm going to say into the chat.
Yes this is Michelle. Everybody say hello to Michelle. Yeah.
How am I as a boss?

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
Oh my gosh, you're your I didn't think you would
be a good boss when I started. I wasn't sure
because I had some bad experiences. But after like I
think they messed something up, and uh, you I could
tell you're like okay, no one died, We're okay, I'm

(01:06:22):
good And I was like, oh, that's new So I'm like,
this is gonna be good, you know, because and then
you also give me a lot of freedom to come
up with stuff because I don't like to be restricted,
and so you're not like a micro manager type thing,
so you let me kind of fly free, which I love.

(01:06:42):
So And by the way, I have to say, and
I've been meaning to say say something, but the chat
they're they're hysterical and they're smart, and I love all
these people in the chat. I don't know who they are.
I just know by you know, their little names. But
I just love just reading that chat. So that's very cool,

(01:07:06):
very cool.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
The chat can be dangerous. It can be dangerous and addictive. Uh,
for the most part, everybody's wonderful. Oh man, you know,
I've got uh the fade or not have the trouble
makers that come in and we love them, and it's
it's really funny. You know. Some just choose to stir

(01:07:28):
the pot. And see, I just said, stir the pot.
Now the conversation is going to be weed for the
next thirty minutes, Jimmy said pot. He said, yeah, it's
absolutely amazing. Now, Uh, Michelle, here, you've been inside of
my head and you you know, the ebb and flow

(01:07:52):
of of how I think and where my interests are
in the moment. For everybody, I need you to understand
how the show was booked. Michelle does her own thing.
She just does it. There's a way that my mind
works and what I'm interested in in the moment. But
I don't I don't say to Michelle, Okay, this week

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is UFO week. This week is going to be Life
after Death week, This week is going to be going
I don't do any of that. But Michelle does listen
to the show. She listens to my thought process and
then you know, she runs with it. What is that
like when you're inside of the community like you are, Michelle,

(01:08:38):
to go and pursue this knowledge for me and to
allow me to ask these questions. The community is pretty
fun and interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:50):
Yeah? And I think part of it is that your
confidence and being a host because you can pretty much
talk to anybody, so that makes my job easy. The
part that's not easy is that because you don't say
a bad thing about anybody, I can't tell because you

(01:09:11):
always say it's a perfect show. And I asked you
for a symbol or something to tell me like, don't
get that guest again, but you never do it. But
you you just do a good job with everyone and
you find something to talk about, which does make it
a perfect show because you kind of put make it

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happen that way. And then for me, I just think,
like what you know, I think about you, and I
think about the audience, the listeners, and I'm thinking, well,
if I think it's interesting, I'm pretty sure everyone else
will think it's interesting. So sometimes I like to be
a little risky, and sometimes those shows didn't work so well,

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but for the most part they do. And I think
it's again, it's because you if something seems like it's
going sideways, you'll kind of turn it around and get
it back on track. So it's it's I think it's
a synergy working together. I think that we cover each
other there.

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
You bring up a really good point. Uh, I've gotten
I've gotten into the position now. And again this isn't
coming from ego, well it kind of is, But because
I've got thousands of ours, thousands of tens of thousands

(01:10:36):
of hours of experience of conversation and interviewing that if
if the if the conversation for me is not interesting,
to me or losing that I can get something out
of somebody that I will find interesting, and that what

(01:11:00):
you develop over the year instead of throwing up your
hands in frustration and just going, nah, this interview is over. No,
there is something compelling and interesting in everybody. You just
got to get to it. And I am able to
taken a long time. It wasn't it. I didn't do

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this out of the gate, but I can do it now.
And it's just I bring on the guest. You know,
I remember, I remember, I'm going to tell everybody something.
This is very private, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
Michelle asked me in the very very beginning. She goes, okay,

(01:11:45):
so Church, she calls me church. By the way, she goes, so, Church,
who are the guests I'm not to invite on the show?
Surely you have a list? I said no. I said
I got two names, maybe three, and she goes, well,

(01:12:06):
those are obvious. I said, well, yeah, that's it. We
don't have a blacklist, do we.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
No, we do not have a blacklist. Because you know
what you said to me, is you like the challenge
of it? You like you know? Because I also asked, like,
what if I kind of feel like, maybe this person
is showing a viewpoint that maybe you don't believe in,
or maybe the listeners won't, and you said, no, bring
them on. I want to hear from everybody in all

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different sides of the stories. So that also gives me
a lot of leeway.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
Yeah, And I know for for some out there, they're
probably quite surprising, maybe even shocked, in hearing something like this,
that that this show runs on drama, right, and we've
got a blacklist and we've got this and we don't
do that. No, it's the exact opposite of that. I

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want to be challenged. I want to learn something. I
want to hear from somebody that saying that I disagree
with isn't the right way to put it. But that's
certainly a view some can take that not that that
aren't along the path of what I have been investigating

(01:13:25):
or researching. And I'm in that direct and then something
else comes along that isn't in it, you know, isn't
in line with that. That's where you expand that's where
you learn. If I'm sitting here there, you know what's
really bad A bad conversation. I want everybody to really

(01:13:48):
listen to me closely. You know, it's a bad conversation
for the audience is when the audience is agreeing with
everything that is being said. That's boring, that's bullshit, that's
a waste of energy. You want to as a listener,
go what that's what you want? Because now you're you're

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you know, and there's something that is being presented in
front of you for you to consider. You don't have
to agree with it. You don't even have to accept it.
You don't have to have it be a part of
your library. You don't. But that is where you expand
and learn something new. That that's no, I'm not saying

(01:14:32):
it's it good for me to sit here and argue
with somebody. I don't. I don't necessarily do that, but no.

Speaker 7 (01:14:40):
It's just like a different viewpoint, you know. It's just
that they come at it from a different way and
that's always interesting. And it also brings in like different
vocabulary to describe something, which I also like, like when
someone comes in and they have a different way to
say something, it'll hit somebody that it hadn't hit before,

(01:15:04):
you know, like, oh I didn't think of it that way,
And that would be a really great thing for anybody
listening to experience Michelle.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
Again, I'm gonna say this. I hope I embarrass you
a little bit. Michelle has sat at many dinner tables
with me, many, okay, where we have had a very
eclectic group of people sitting at that dinner table, and
I will at some point during that dinner piss everybody

(01:15:39):
off where you know, we got a great conversation and
I'll go, hold on a minute, what about and then
listen to the conversation, elevate to the next level around
the table, you know. And I am not in any
way bullshitting am I?

Speaker 7 (01:15:58):
No? No? And my favorite is when you throw people
under the bus. Well, now, you knowing you should be
saying is putting them in the spot, on the spot,
putting them on the spot, that's what, not throwing them
under the bus. So that was kind of funny. So
I'm going to embarrass you now because okay, Jimmy wanted

(01:16:22):
to like give these compliments to people, including me, and
he starts it, he prefaces it by saying, I'm going
to throw you under the bus. So now everyone's like
racing themselves for what's going to come out of his mouth,
because you know, putting somebody under the bus is not
a good thing, So like, what's he going to say?
And then he ends up saying all these wonderful things.

(01:16:45):
So I'm like, Jimmy, I think you have the wrong phrase.

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
Oh right, you know. And it's the reason for that is, yeah,
I'm preparing everybody for what they think is going to
be something crazy and shocking, right, okay, And then it
turns out to be a compliment that is probably a
little embarrassing for somebody that that I'm doing that too.

(01:17:09):
And I like that little moment of being uncomfortable and
then being a little bit shy. Maybe the face turns
a little red because a compliment came out that you
weren't expecting. And yeah, yeah, yeah, I enjoy doing that.
I enjoy doing that a lot. I enjoyed doing that

(01:17:33):
a lot. You know, you know who, I do that
too a lot. And you've seen me do it. I
don't know how much. Vegans. God, I love attacking vegans.
Vegans fun. Man, It's like open season. It's like fish
in a barrel, man, and uh and and I love
doing it and it's out of compassion. Here's it. Here's

(01:17:56):
something else. Michelle and you. You know this. I don't
think I've ever said this on the show, but I've
said this to a lot of people. Okay, if I
ever stop giving you shit, that's when you get worried.
That's when you go, Man, I think Jimmy doesn't like

(01:18:17):
me anymore? Did I say something wrong? If I'm suddenly
nice to you in public? You got that you're on
the wrong side of the Jimmy circle. You know, you're
standing outside of the Jimmy circle. And it's it's it's
really true. People look forward to me talking smack, you know,

(01:18:40):
because that just means I'm in love with you.

Speaker 7 (01:18:43):
That's so good.

Speaker 6 (01:18:44):
Yeah, so good. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
So do we have some exciting things for twenty six
for all our listeners?

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Well, yeah, there are so many changes that are happening
right now, and you have to you have to kind
of roll with it. And I've certainly, I think all
of us learn how to roll with it over the years,
and I and I've certainly learned to roll with it.

(01:19:14):
Libson our podcast company that has been with us for
twelve years, and originally, Michelle you know this, but originally
back in the day, we wanted to have a free
alternative for people to go and listen to the show
commercial free. And so we partnered up with the libs

(01:19:38):
and we couldn't do it for free, but it was
two dollars a month. It was like the minimum number
that you could plug into their software to make things
work right and whatever, and that was two dollars. But
that gave us an app and gave us their platform
to publish to to have the app for the fad
or not, and they could have a commerce, everything in

(01:20:00):
an app, and it was all really cool. Well, Libson
stopped that after twelve years and they stopped it with everybody.
But with that is another exciting opportunity on the back
end that is rolling out starting officially today, but we'll
kick it out after I get back from Colorado and

(01:20:23):
I get everybody on board with this, which is this
Libson is now broadcasting Fade to Black on all of
the premium networks. And I got the links for today.
I got Spotify, Apple, and I think Google something else. Today.

(01:20:47):
I got like the Big three or Big four today,
Apple Yeah iTunes, yeah yeah, Apple Music iTunes. Where right
now there are one thousand episodes available on all of

(01:21:08):
the streaming platforms and Libson handled all of that. They
did that. I'm so exciting. So now what does this do? All? Right?
So you'll be able to hear the edited version of
the show from now on and rolling out into twenty
twenty six. And the way that they're doing this is

(01:21:30):
to have Fade to Black available into these large markets
and to have it out there, and that's a really
really big deal. And the way that Libson is doing it.
I'm very appreciative with Fade to Black on our end.

(01:21:51):
What I would like to see happen, and we're working
on this. It's not as easy as it sounds, but
we're working on it. Is to have an app for
the fader Knots that go and get a Fade to
Black membership, and you can have an app there like
the libs and app that will play the archive for you.

(01:22:13):
So we're working on that right now. But in the meantime,
for all of the Fader Knots that want appear commercial
free alternative to it is to just go to our website,
become a fader Nott and you can download you know whatever,
fifty episodes a month and whatever you want to do
and fill up your phone and you can just sit

(01:22:34):
and listen to one show after another completely commercial free.
So we still have that alter that's never going to
go away. The Fader not memberships, but we should have
an app moving forward to as well. And then in
combination with all of that, and this is for the
Fader knots. It's such a cool thing. We have Beyond

(01:22:56):
Belief and what is going to be continued in twenty
twenty six and what these two things work together, and
I'm so thankful for that. Where yes, we have Beyond
Belief and the Beyond Belief audience, television audience is now
exposed to Fade to Black, and those fade or notes

(01:23:20):
in the Fade to Black audience is now feeding into
the Beyond Belief stuff. Two different production teams. You do
this show and then Guya and their production team they
handle Beyond Belief and the booking of that show and
how that they want it handled. But you get two
different approaches to it. My interview style and what I

(01:23:43):
do over on Beyond Belief is not unlike or much
I am who I am, and you get a TV
version of Fade to Black in its own way, but
with the production of Guya behind it and their selection
of guests, and so the two throughout twenty twenty six
are going to continue to support each other and we're

(01:24:03):
going to make this all of it just bigger, stronger,
better and faster.

Speaker 7 (01:24:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to travel less, but that didn't
work out for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 7 (01:24:15):
No, I don't think you're not going to slow down
for a while.

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
No, no, Michelle, thank you so much, Thank you so
much for being here. One of these days you should
book yourself on the show and we could do something
really fun.

Speaker 7 (01:24:30):
Okay, I'm going to talk about remote viewing or something.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
Michelle, you're the producer. I don't give a shit. You
just do your thing. And right now, I've got Whitley
Streeber in the green room. Whitley, smile. I'm bringing you
live there. He is right there, Whitty Streeber. Everybody, Whitly Okay,
how are you happy? Yeah, I'm here. But where are you?
I've lost you in just a second.

Speaker 10 (01:24:53):
Oh there you are, Oh there you Okay, now I
can see it all.

Speaker 6 (01:24:57):
Right, Michelle, Thank you so much. I will talk to
you tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:25:02):
It's good to me. Bye listeners and chat room have fun.

Speaker 6 (01:25:06):
Bye bye, Michelle Whitley Strieber in the house. How are you,
my friend? Well, I'm very good, thank you, and you
you know what you know, I'm going to say it
another trip around the sun? Right, Yeah, Well.

Speaker 10 (01:25:21):
We've done a few of those. I tried to slow
mine down. It didn't work. It actually sped it up.
I've just finished a new book. I finished it today.

Speaker 6 (01:25:31):
What yes.

Speaker 10 (01:25:34):
I went to and printed out the book today and
I thought, well, you know, I wonder how long it is.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
I never really know until I printed. I can't.

Speaker 10 (01:25:44):
I can't edit them only online. I have to edit
them on paper, and it's massive, twenty eight pages. And
what I've done is this. I published two books back
in the eighties that were trashed. There's another way to

(01:26:05):
put it, a published communion and that people really love
that book and they still do. But a lot of people,
from the New York Times to the government, to this
you name it, were gunning for me after that happened.
You know, the publisher just sent the books out to

(01:26:27):
the bookstores because they knew that if they told them
what it was, they would get a lot of pushback,
and so they put it up on the shelves. And
the thing changed the world. It began the whole process
of contact. And so the second two books are basically
me and my family living with the visitors in our lives,

(01:26:49):
in our daily lives. And those books were stomped, I
mean stomped, and I go through all of the things.
I can prove everything that was done, not everything, but
most of it. And what I did was I went
chapter by chapter I updated the book to now you

(01:27:11):
know what happened? Then what do we now know about it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
He?

Speaker 10 (01:27:16):
I said this, What does the what does new knowledge
about the way the brain works tell us what was
happening in here while these experiences are taking place?

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
Only you could only only you could do something like that.

Speaker 10 (01:27:29):
Only there's no one else who could do it. No, no,
absolutely not. It's called Transformation twenty twenty five. And it'll
be out soon. And people are going to ask, well,
what about the audiobook? And the answer is, when you
were looking at a manuscript this thick, and you think

(01:27:49):
I've got to read all of that, And the answer
is yeah, I'm gonna do it as soon as I can,
hopefully before Christmas.

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
Before oh man, I have uh and literally before just
just thank you for being here to celebrate today and
my birthdays on Friday.

Speaker 10 (01:28:09):
But what are we celebrating that, I don't know, sixty
two birthday?

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
Sixty two years? Man? Can you you're sixty two?

Speaker 10 (01:28:17):
We don't celebrate the birthdays of children.

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
Good, oh man, I know, right? And uh and but
just thank you, just thank you. We've been friends for us.

Speaker 10 (01:28:30):
And thank you Jimmy because you're so cool and so
much fun to talk to and I haven't talked to
you in a long time and I'm glad to be here.
How much time do we have?

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
It's been a minute, We've got We've got another fifteen minutes,
fifteen minutes. But you can roast me all for the
next fifteen minutes. I have said, did you say fifteen minutes? Yeah,
you have fifteen minutes to roast me.

Speaker 10 (01:28:57):
Okay, Now, I'm not going to roast you.

Speaker 6 (01:28:59):
You're you're un.

Speaker 10 (01:29:02):
Absolutely, I wouldn't roast Jimmy Church You're too, You're you're
a great part of this.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
I would never.

Speaker 10 (01:29:07):
Roast oh man.

Speaker 6 (01:29:08):
I was hoping start, but he roasted me too. Is
that right? One of the things that I admire to
anyone that can complete a book, I mean that is
that's insane to me. And I have Uh, I've started

(01:29:30):
two books and it's so it's such a daunting process
to me. And then it's one thing to complete a book.
I admire that, and then it's to uh publish something
that people respect and resonate with. Now you're starting to
get into rarefied air. What what what feeling of of

(01:29:56):
accomplishment that you have like with today where you've you know,
completed the last page. What does that feel like? You've
done it? You know, you've published a lot, but.

Speaker 10 (01:30:08):
I don't even think about it. You know, what I'm
thinking about is the next book. I'm a really obsessive,
compulsive workaholic.

Speaker 6 (01:30:21):
I am. It's that true. It is true. Wow, it
is true.

Speaker 10 (01:30:28):
My kids gave me a workaholic T shirt.

Speaker 6 (01:30:31):
Did you have to develop into that? Was that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:30:34):
I've been like that since i was four years old,
maybe earlier three. I've always been obsessive and very like
you know, when I got onto something when I was
a little boy, nothing stopped me. Not ever, That's why
I burned the house down trying to make an andy
gravity machine and other problems that occurred.

Speaker 6 (01:31:02):
Let's go on the record and right now and just
say that Willie just said he burnt the house down
building an anti gravity machine. Did you get caught? Did
your parents know? Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:31:13):
Yes, they understood very well when had happened, and there
were Fortunately I didn't get beat up because I was
at our country house with my grandmother when the fire started.

Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
The anti gravity machine attempt was made.

Speaker 10 (01:31:29):
One day, me and a friend had two I was
certain that the spacemen had told me how to build
an anti gravity machine, that's what I called him in
those days, and so, not knowing exactly what I was
talking about, we found a couple of electro magnets, one

(01:31:51):
of donut and one like a little ball, and the
little ball fit in the donut, So we went up
in my bedroom plugged them both in. At the same time,
the house lights all went out, and of course from
the maid, from my mother, from my sister, from everyone
in the house, they didn't say what happened.

Speaker 6 (01:32:13):
They all yelled.

Speaker 10 (01:32:17):
And I got it unplugged and went down and turned
everything back on again. But that night we were playing monopoly,
my sister and I and some of the kids in
the neighborhood, and suddenly the lights kind of went They
kind of faded and went back, faded and went back

(01:32:39):
and I thought, oh no, the spacemen are mad at me.
And you know, we went to bed and slept, and
the next morning I my grandmother came over and said,
I'm going up to the country house to play cards,
and we'd like Putty to come along, because I was
a good card player. And so I got in the

(01:33:02):
car and went in with her, and we were playing
cards when my mother called and I hear my grandmother
pick up the phone and she says, house burned down,
Mary Streever's house. And I thought, oh no, I'm in trouble.
And the next thing I knew, I'm back at home.

Speaker 6 (01:33:22):
The whole roof is burned off.

Speaker 10 (01:33:24):
My sister's room is caved in, but not mine, And
so she's pissed off, extra pissed off, and she's telling
mother he did it somehow. She's mother saying he was
in the country, he did it. She said, no matter what,
no matter where he was, somehow he did it. And
Mother finally says to me, well, what about that thing

(01:33:47):
that you did.

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
With the electricity. I said, I didn't do anything with
the electricity. She said, sure you did.

Speaker 10 (01:33:53):
You and David, you did something to the electricity. And
then the house burned out, and then she said, do
you want me to ask your father to ask you
this question?

Speaker 6 (01:34:04):
Yeah? Right, right right? The answer was not really, you
are grounded for the rest of your life. Now go
to your room. And it would have been worse than that.
This was the fifties that were still corporal punishment, right right.

Speaker 10 (01:34:19):
You know what I they didn't ground anybody.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
You know what I did when I when I was
a kid, This reminds me of I smuggled a bunch
of chemicals out of science class, right. And what I
was doing is I was putting them just stuff. I
didn't even know what it was, right, And I'm putting

(01:34:43):
it in test tubes, putting a cork on it and
putting it in my sock and taking it home. And
so by the end of a few weeks, I had,
you know, maybe a dozen test tubes of different stuff.
I had some test tube holders, you know those little

(01:35:03):
clamp things that you hold a test toob with. I
had those. I had a try dude, I was just
stealing from from science class. So I had all this stuff,
and my neighbor, this kid, Uh, We're standing in my
bedroom and the floor in my bedroom. Throughout the house

(01:35:24):
was this beautiful natural wood parquet floors, gorgeous floors, right,
gorgeous floors. And we're standing in the middle of my bedroom.
He's holding a test tube and I'm holding a test tube,
and yes, this has a bad ending. And I'm holding
the test tube. He's holding his and he poured we

(01:35:45):
don't even know over do it. And he pours the
stuff into my test tube. I'm one chemical into the eye.
I don't know what it was. And I'm holding it
and I watch the test tube. I felt the heat.
I felt the heat on my face from like two
feet away. If it bubbles up, it changes color immediately

(01:36:06):
and then goes and blows up the test tube onto
the floor. And we both back up and I look
and on the parquet floor is it's it's a round
circle of bubbling gnarliness, smoke eating into the parquet floor,

(01:36:29):
eating into it, and it's like right out of it,
and and I'm like, oh my god. And I run
in the bathroom. I get a towel. I come in
and I'm smearing this this nuclear acid, it's all I'm smearing,
and it ate through the wood and the parquet instantly

(01:36:53):
went right to the concrete this big, and man, okay,
I'm thinking I am in trouble forever. Yeah, this is bad.
I take the rug, the throw rug, next to my bed,
and I put it over the.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
Hole in the floor.

Speaker 6 (01:37:15):
I put it over the hole in the floor. Like
a week goes by. A week. I don't tell my dad.
He could smell it too, by the way, And I
don't tell my dad. It was like a week later.
I come home from school and the rug is draped

(01:37:35):
over the back of the couch in the living room.
My dad wasn't home. My dad wasn't home, but he
draped the rug over the back of the couch. And
I walked into my bedroom and there's the hole in
the floor sitting there. And I had to wait for
my dad to come home. And yeah, I remember him saying.

(01:37:59):
And then and then I got to run. I've got
Jason quit. I'm going to bring in Willy. My dad goes,
I have to pay for somebody to come in and
replace that floor. I'm not going to pay you for
cutting the lawn for two years.

Speaker 8 (01:38:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
I was like, true, Yeah, so straight, you bet. I
got off so easy. I was like, that's it, You're
not going to punch me in the face, you know,
but uh.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:38:32):
Before we go, I just want to say this, you
are now.

Speaker 6 (01:38:36):
It's you me.

Speaker 10 (01:38:39):
Bill Mallow, who was heavily involved in this. Nobody knows
his name. He was the head of materials science at
Southwest Research in Texas. John mac art Bell and probably
others all blew things up and caused trouble like this
when they were kids. I think the aliens like people

(01:39:02):
like that in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:39:06):
Whitley, you're the best, my man. Thank you for everything.
Thank you for your contribution.

Speaker 10 (01:39:10):
Thanks you, Jimmy own filet.

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
Thank me.

Speaker 10 (01:39:13):
This is your show sixty two years young, and all
the other little boys and girls. Enjoy it while you can,
because it's not last.

Speaker 6 (01:39:25):
Whitley, thank you so much, my friend. I'll be in
touch with you later this week. Thank you so much. Now,
Whitley Streeber, everybody the absolute very best. And with that
we're going to roll straight into Whitley the best and
everybody unknown country everything. Just go to Whitley Streeber. We
have his links and everything up. Go and visit Whitley

(01:39:46):
and check out his stuff. In his interviews, I the
way he interviews people. I have absolutely stolen that over
the years, but I've told him so, I don't carry
any guilt. Next up, the one and only Jason Quit
got two teas in his last name. You know, too
many other Jason, too many other Jason Quits out there

(01:40:06):
with you know, one tea is there? Yeah? Yeah, too
many of them, too many, too many. How are you,
my man?

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
I'm doing very well. It's been a while. I'm feeling
very rusty here.

Speaker 6 (01:40:19):
Feeling rusty. Yeah, you know that's the thing. When you
historically were the guest that was on every single month
for ten years, you know, and you're you're in a
dry spell. Now it's every three months.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
Yeah, what could I do? Well? Look, I've actually was
just up in Thunder Bay. I was just mining. So
it's like my mind is still out in the woods.

Speaker 6 (01:40:48):
You look very comfortable. You look woodsy. Thank you. You
look very woods You look tanned. Actually, yeah, it's uh,
you're not white and pasty.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
The outside in the elements working with the hands.

Speaker 6 (01:41:06):
Yes, you know, you're you're the very best we have
to Jason. Our history goes back, you know, for so
long and and working with each other and supporting each
other over the years, and the friendship that we have, Uh,
is extraordinary and I appreciate it and it's non un

(01:41:27):
or privileged not only call you friend, but to do
the research that we've done together and to have the
experiences that we have shared over the years has been extraordinary.
But there's always a butt with that kind of compliment, right, dude,
we have to get back on the horse. We've got

(01:41:47):
to get back to quit spiracies. We've got to just
do that. That's it. What are we doing wasting these
days when we could be doing quitspiracies every single night
of the week.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
Every night? Yeah, that could work.

Speaker 6 (01:42:03):
Yeah, I know, I know. It's endless, man, It's endless.
It's endless those uh, isn't it. I mean, I'm just
gonna say this, you know, between friends, isn't it easy
and effortless to just openly discuss something that you're compassionate

(01:42:25):
about where we can jump into any conspiracy and and
expand that out into an hour long conversation. Isn't that
That's that's that's happiness, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Yeah, it's it's great. And you know we do this privately,
so why not do it publicly?

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
But what that's that's but that's how we That's how
we started the show. That's a great point. We've never
told everybody this. Jason and I one day, this is
a long time ago, and we're just shooting the ship
on the phone and and just talking about these things
and conspiracies and stuff. And I don't know if it

(01:43:04):
was Jason or me, but one of us said, dude,
this is a show. What are we doing wasting time
between the two of us. We need to turn this
into the And that's exactly how it started, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
It is? And I don't remember how or who said
let's do it this way, but just unfolded naturally. And
you know what's great is I was trying to find
some files on my computer I had to take like
an old hard drive going back to like twenty fifteen,
and I'm finding all these pictures of like having dinner

(01:43:41):
in your backyard, or like us at the mountains in Washington,
Like there's so much history here that like I've completely
even forgotten about. So it is natural just to talk
about these things with you and share it with the public.
And there was a time in the community where I

(01:44:01):
was very frustrated with the conspiracy theories going around and
I'd call you invent and say, hey, have you heard
this conspiracy? And yeah, it was a lot of fun.
I said, you know what, let's let's do this publicly
and get people to vote for it because we can
have some fun.

Speaker 6 (01:44:20):
How did how did? I can't even how did the
pipes thing even happen?

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
I think it was. I think it was just like
a joke at the time. I think I think around
that time, it was my birthday, just like it's your
birthday this week, and a friend took me to the
store and he bought me a pipe. Right, he says,
happy birthday. He bought me a pipe, and I swear
I was like, I'm holding this pipe and I'm just
it's like a prop right, Like what am I?

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
I don't know, It's just like, you know, I thought,
with conspiracy, it's like we're sitting by the fire, you know,
I'm on my leather chair, You're on your leather chair,
and we're just sitting there, smoking our pipes and saying,
let's talk about this conspiracy. What do you think about this?
And I think that's how it kind of emerged.

Speaker 6 (01:45:11):
Did the Fate or not create the rating system?

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
No, I think that was on your side, was yeah,
that was that was like your decision. But I agreed.

Speaker 6 (01:45:24):
I can't take credit for that. It's too brilliant. That
that's it's like beyond my scope of creativity.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Yes, so now I have a pipe, but it's just
too big. It's like it's like a gandolf pipe. It's
not it won't work in this situation.

Speaker 6 (01:45:42):
What do you make of Jason? Where where it's one
thing to sit around and talk about interesting, crazy stuff,
and then it's another thing to see some of the
stuff turn into reality. Ed right now we're watching it

(01:46:03):
doesn't matter where your interest lies. It just doesn't matter.
It could be sports, could be music, politics, religion, cars,
there's legos it does. There is craziness in everything right now.
It's just absolutely Is this surprising to you that we

(01:46:26):
could allow the entire fabric that is us to just
completely unravel?

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
You know, maybe I've been silent because all these conspiracies
have already come true and going back ten years or
twenty years, you know, we were talking about all these
things and it's almost like they've already come to pass
or are happening, and we see it and it's like,
you know, the conspiracy theorists were right all along. So

(01:46:57):
it's like, now we come on and we say, this
is what we believe is going to happen, but it's
already happening. So it's no longer a conspiracy. So we
need to find new conspiracies because all the old ones
we used to talk about have kind of manifested in
our world already.

Speaker 6 (01:47:14):
Isn't it weird? Let me tell you what's really strange
about that. I kind of liked the old version when
it was just us in our kooky community talking about
this stuff because it was our own private little world. Well,
we were yelling for the world's attention, but they didn't

(01:47:35):
care about us, and and it was our own little thing.
Now we've got UFO hearings on Capitol Hill. You know what,
I want my secret shit back. I don't I don't need.
That's our thing, man, you know, and now it's it's
it's normal to be us. No, that was our secret

(01:47:56):
little thing, our little group of crazy, and I like that.
I don't know if we'll ever get it back, man.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
You know what, there was a strange moment in time
where you know, I was having these experiences. I was
learning things that were just completely fringe. And then one night,
I'm driving home really late in the morning, early mornings.
I turned my radio on and it's Coast to Coast.
I've never heard of that show before, and suddenly I'm
hearing the craziness of my life being talked about on

(01:48:30):
Coast to Coast and I'm like, oh my god, there's
people out there that are talking about this. And I
got hooked immediately, you know. And it's like, now you
just turn on the news and it's on the news
and it's mainstream. But there was a time where it's
like you had to kind of stay up real late
at night, turn your radio on, get under the covers,

(01:48:53):
and go, I can't wait to hear this person coming
on tonight to talk about this crazy stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
And the first time, this is maybe five years ago,
and I remember watching a press or thing from the
White House, you know, from the press room, and I'm
watching the Press secretary for whoever whatever was going on

(01:49:21):
back then. It doesn't matter who that person was, but
I remember that person stepped up to the podium and
was talking about it and took a question from some journalists,
and I watched the Press secretary say UFO out of
their mouth, right, and I sat back, I'm watching it live.

(01:49:44):
I went, wow, that was cool. I don't think that's
ever happened before. That's a first time, huh. All right?
And a one minute later I caught myself going, that's bullshit, man,
that's our world. We are now mainstream, right. That was

(01:50:05):
our fight, and I thought that the tide has turned.
It's no longer our thing that we were angry about.
Now we've got this being talked about in the White
House like this on live television. I would it was
weird how I went from glee to glum, right, I

(01:50:29):
did like sixty seconds, and I kind of like the
old version of it. I kind of like the old version.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
And then there's this kind of conspiracy mindedness that we
all carry where it's like, okay, now they're speaking about
it publicly, is this counterintelligence? Are they trying to cover
something up?

Speaker 12 (01:50:48):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
So even if you know, we get this disclosure and
government is saying yes, this is this, and this is that,
there's going to be a large group of us going
wait a second, you know, why are they telling us
this now?

Speaker 6 (01:51:02):
Well, okay, okay, so let's take it to the next level.
My friend, are we going to see a day? Well,
we're gonna have a press conference from the press room
at the White House. The Press secretary is standing up
at the podium and says something like, well, the President
is very concerned about astrail travel and out of body experiences,

(01:51:24):
and we expect legislation soon as Congress starts to open
up hearings. I don't know if we want that. I
don't know. I don't know, man, I don't know. The
discussion of consciousness with the president is important. No, it's not.
That's our conversation. I you know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
That reminds me of like a South Park gag where
it's like they figure out Heaven Israel or something in
the military goes okay, now let's go vomit.

Speaker 6 (01:51:58):
Yes, oh man, oh man. But yeah, you know, I
like our little, crazy, little group. It's a big group,
but it's a fun group. And to get into this
you have to be on a personal journey with very
personal reasons for being here and listening to the show.

(01:52:22):
We're going to conferences or reading books or watching this.
You know, there's something that has brought you drawn you in,
all right, that is who belongs here? I don't I don't.
I don't want Anderson Cooper talking about this stuff. You know,
I don't know any of the hosts of Fox or MSNBC.
I don't or I don't even know anybody that's on CNN.

(01:52:44):
I just know Anderson Cooper because he's famous. But I
haven't watched mainstream news in a long time. But having
any of them talk about these because I don't know
if they have experienced it'ce this and they're part of
the journey, or if they're just a talking head, you know,

(01:53:05):
but in our community, we're all a part of the journey.

Speaker 4 (01:53:08):
You know what, maybe five ten years, who knows, maybe
you'll be sitting in Anderson Cooper seat.

Speaker 6 (01:53:16):
Is he still? Is he still on CNN? You know what?

Speaker 4 (01:53:20):
If I had a TV, I would wait.

Speaker 6 (01:53:22):
No, I don't, I don't know. I got this. I
got this. I got this email the other day. I'm
not kidding. It said HBO Max is no longer caring
CNN Newsroom Live. Okay, that was the announcement in the email.

(01:53:44):
I went CNN was on HBO Max. I didn't know.
I haven't. I had no clue, but apparently they thought
it was important enough to tell me. I didn't even
know it was there. So, yeah, that's how much I'm
aware of I you know, my last experiences with like Bill, right, Bill?

(01:54:05):
What was his name? Bill? O'Reilly? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:54:08):
I think that's from Fox News?

Speaker 6 (01:54:10):
Yeah? Is he still on there? I remember him?

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
I don't think so. I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
You know, I get my news now solely from social media.

Speaker 6 (01:54:23):
You know where I get my news from? Renee Newman,
my producer. She sends me the news that I cover
every day. Right, she's my editor and producer. She's amazing.
She sends me stuff that's interesting and I go through it,
and that's the news. I broadcast the news live every day,

(01:54:44):
right I do. That's the news that I'm aware of everything. No,
I'm no, No, she sends me. She sends me what
I should know. So my lack of awareness when I
go now, i'm you know what I do, Jason, I
click on the news I want to read. I don't

(01:55:07):
let them force it on me by watching it on TV. No, No,
that's not the news.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:55:13):
I'm not interested in what you think I need to know. No, no, no, no, nope,
I'll click on something right, But that's my my nervous
system is a lot calmer because I take my news
in that way.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
Yes, And like I was just telling you, I went
up on a trip recently. I just got back and
there was no cell phone service at all. Like I
couldn't even make a phone call when I was up there.
And it's weird that it, like you, we're so obsessed
with these devices and so obsessed with like seeing the

(01:55:53):
current thing happening, that sometimes we need to like disconnect
a little from this.

Speaker 6 (01:56:00):
I have a friend, an amazing musician and songwriter and
singer name's Jimmy Brune. He's out of Indianapolis, just amazing,
just world class, and he sends me last week he
goes to hey Man Church, check out the song I
just wrote. So he sends it to me, and it
was called the World in the Palm of Your Hand. Okay,

(01:56:24):
and great song, toe tapper, great chorus. But it's about this, okay,
and the implications of this. There's good and bad, right,
and that's you know, and and it's an amazing song.

(01:56:48):
But it's not just you and I talking about this.
I think everybody is more and more aware of the advantages,
right and disadvantages of what this actually is Is it empowering? Yes?
Is it dumbing is down? Absolutely? You know. And I've

(01:57:09):
tried to just turn this into a tool instead of
my relationships. Right, there's a difference there. And you and
I are old enough now, and oh man, there are

(01:57:30):
a few generations underneath us where their entire world, their friends,
their relationships, their emotions, that everything is tied up there
and not necessarily face to face, and they've accepted that.
I think there's a definite change in DNA, you know,

(01:57:51):
on how humans are now building their circle and their
life around them. Wow, we're too far into it. There's
no reversing it. We just have to figure out a
way to deal with it.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
And you know, I'm younger than you, not by much,
but you know, when I was very young, we had
the Commodore sixty four with the floppy disks, and then
we moved to the first Apple computers. Now I have
nieces and nephews that could barely walk and they're carrying

(01:58:29):
iPads around and they know how to navigate it.

Speaker 6 (01:58:33):
How crazy is that?

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
How crazy this generation? Like, Yeah, they're going to be
so technologically savvy in the future that when technology explodes,
which it will, eventually they'll be completely prepared for it
and go with it, where people like us will be like, wow,
that's pretty strange technology.

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
And here's where we're going to sound really, really old,
but it's true. We the big leap in technology was
Space Invaders and Missile Command right on channel three on
your TV. Remember you had to you had to screw

(01:59:17):
that thing in the back and had that little gaming
switch to flip it over. Do you remember that thing?
Screw that and and what an amazing piece of technology
that was. Now just really think about that, where today

(01:59:37):
the technology that is available from birth is way being
I mean, I mean real tech, tech, tech tech. It's
that's that's insane. That the thought of you could be

(01:59:58):
a year old learning to walk and in the palm
of your hand in that iPad is all of the
knowledge of everything that ever was what and I everything,
every video, every movie, every book in every library of everything,

(02:00:22):
every thought of everybody in the history of everything is
right here.

Speaker 4 (02:00:29):
Yeah. Oh my man, Oh, I mean we had to
go to the library and find books.

Speaker 6 (02:00:39):
The Dewey decimal system.

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
Now it's like I just go on AI and say
tell me about this. I don't even have to do
that I could just google it and the Google AI
will tell me exactly what I wanted to know.

Speaker 6 (02:00:53):
And and and lie to you if it wants to.

Speaker 4 (02:00:57):
You.

Speaker 6 (02:00:57):
No, I'm being serious. I mean I'm being serious. There
we're at the end of the show, Jason, and thank
you for this. There was a renee sent this to
me this week and I reported on it. AI is
giving so much false information and it's everywhere. It's core systems,
it's making up books and authors and whatever whatever it is.

(02:01:19):
It just makes makes shit up. But travel, travel destinations,
and travelers that are going out are using AI more
and more to plan their vacations. Right, this couple goes
to Peru to go to this site called the Human

(02:01:41):
Tie forest and river in this the Human Tie Sacred
Valley okay, with directions on how to get to this
road to take you there. Okay. So they booked their
trip around this and they go It doesn't exist. They're

(02:02:02):
in the middle of the mountains, got no cell phone service,
no guides, no information. It's going to a location that
could lead them to certain death. Right right, leads you
in the middle of the north and it was made up.
It didn't exist. They bought plane tickets. Right. That means

(02:02:25):
it's insane to me. Where is this is where it
has come and people have put so much trust into it.
Did you know the Chicago Sun Times, Chicago Tribune, the
newspaper six months ago, printed out their ten best reads

(02:02:50):
ten best books for twenty twenty five. Okay, are you ready?
Seven of the ten books and authors were made up,
fictitious and they published it. They published it. Okay, yeah, yeah, now,

(02:03:15):
And how did that happen? It happened because the writer
of the article that did the top ten good reads
list for twenty twenty five for the Chicago Tribune and
put the article together, did what used a I to
come up with the ten best good reads and put
it out, didn't vet it. The editors there at the

(02:03:39):
Chicago Tribune or the sometimes I forget which newspaper didn't
vet it, didn't check it, didn't do anything. They just assumed.
And so each one check this out. This is where
it gets really crazy. Each one of the authors had
a biography tied to it, made up the subject of
the book, right, Summer's at my uncle's cabin, whatever it was, right,

(02:04:03):
whatever made up the bibliography of the book and the
description of the book of the title made up. But
if you're reading it, you're like, man, that's a pretty
good book. Yeah all right, okay, well that's what they did.
They put that together. You know how they got caught.
People read the article and they went to go find

(02:04:24):
the books. I want to read the summer at my
uncle Bob's you know, beach house. Right.

Speaker 4 (02:04:33):
But it's like, it's like, why is AI making all
this stuff up. It's almost like they're just too lazy
to do research like a human, just like, Okay, we'll
just come up with all this stuff and they'll believe it.

Speaker 6 (02:04:46):
Yeah. Same problems in court, right, lawyers doing briefs on
cases and case history on cases that didn't exist, you know,
and getting caught and getting their cases thrown out of
court because it I just found out that the case
that they have sighted right and their submissions to the
court were not real cases but create.

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
Oh man, so there's no real shortcuts, no real we
still have to work.

Speaker 6 (02:05:18):
Can you imagine going to Peru? Okay, so where's the
humanized sacred Valley?

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
What?

Speaker 6 (02:05:23):
Yeah, it's supposed to be right here? What what are
you talking about? Are you from here? Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:05:31):
Well, you know when GPS came out for your car.
A lot of people just followed the road directly into
lakes and rivers. You know, like there will be like
a time when it gets really good. I'm hoping, but
think about it, like I'm watching videos right now that
are like one AI or you know, people are just
typing a prompt and creating music. It's getting harder and

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harder to distinguish. So what we have to do is
as an author, I have to not spell check my work.
I have to make grammar mistakes so that people in
the future can read my work and go, oh, this
is a real person writing this.

Speaker 6 (02:06:15):
Always misspell like the word friend or break or right,
consistently misspell and misuse a word so you can go no,
I actually wrote that. That's my dufist self. I always
quit I before E except after C.

Speaker 4 (02:06:39):
That's a really good that's a really good point because
you know, like I said, like I have very young
nieces and nephews, and like we're just getting into this
AI now. They don't even know what it is because
they're too young. When they're our age, will they be
writing things or things will just be written for them,
Like this could change dramatically well.

Speaker 6 (02:07:02):
I firmly believe we've we've turned the page on this
where the generations below us. I know it sounds extreme
to us, but generation they don't care if they're interacting
with an artificial personality, an artificial friend and artifical no

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an AI, you know, relationships. They're way past that. Man,
that's just part of their reality. For us, it's like, man,
how could you know if that's just so offensive? You know,
not so fast with the other generations. Man, it's just
another day to them. And I think that they're accepting

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of it. I'm not so sure. Our generations and I
talked about this today in the news, our general you
and I and you know, we find offensive that there's
a possibility. We're scared of the possibility of AI taking
over the world. Okay, the generations below us, they think

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that's the future. It's like, it's it's not that, it's
it's evolution. That something's going to replace humanity eventually, so
so what let it do its thing? You know, that's
that we're crazy paranoid about the date of the singularity. Right,

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we've all seen Terminator two and we yeah, and it
didn't sit well with us. The scenes from Blade Runner
right where you had these androids that didn't know if
they were human or not. Right, that scared the crap
out of us the generations below us right now, Nah,

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I don't think that this is a concern, that that's
the future, and they're okay with it.

Speaker 4 (02:09:06):
Yeah, I mean I bought a room bus, so I'm guilty.

Speaker 6 (02:09:08):
Yeah, I know, right.

Speaker 4 (02:09:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:09:11):
Every time I'm at Low's right and I walk by, though,
I'm like, Nope, ain't gonna happen. Ain't gonna happen. Jason,
Thank you so much, my friend. Thank you not only
for being a part of my life, but thank you
for coming in tonight and to help me have some
fun on my birthday. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:09:29):
Yes, and happy birthday and many many more.

Speaker 6 (02:09:32):
All Right, I'll talk to you to my friend. Let's
get Quitspiracy book ASAPM Fade to Black for sure, I'll
talk to you. Thanks Jason, Bye, the absolute very best.
So that's going to wrap another week here on Fade
to Black. Thank you, everybody, Thank you for the birthday wishes.
Very cool to do it with all of you and

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and some of my friends in here tonight. Very fun,
very special. And now I've got to go pack some
bags and jump on a plane in the morning. That's
what I've got to do. I'll see everybody right back
here on Monday. We've got a great week lined up
next week, and I'll see you then. So today is
officially my Friday. I'll see you when I get back,

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but until then, have a great, safe, fun and amazing weekend.
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