FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: MD Selig

Tonight, author, screenwriter, filmmaker, and actor MD Selig joins us to discuss his new book: Hush... and how he uses facts in his science fiction... ET, mind-control, and the deep state and cabal who run the world.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
This Hope Radio for the Masses headline of this July eighth,
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applying the hearty found and there's now in the possession of.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
The yard with the game is really changed the game
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
This is Day to Black. It's your host, Jimmy Church
on the Game Changer Radio Network. Good evening, How you doing,
How you doing? How you doing? Fade to black? Yeah,
but you already knew that today is today? Is it's Thursday? Yeah,

(01:25):
it's Thursday, October sixteenth, twenty twenty five. I'm your host,
Jimmy Church. Let's do this Mayena all right, all right, yeah,
yeah it it happened today. It was announced right before showtime.
Ace Freely a'ce freely passed away. And now I could

(01:52):
go on and on and on about about Ace and
what he meant to me and what he meant to
all of you, but we all know that, don't we.
So this is what I did do though, right there
right there, hung up one of his guitars and and

(02:15):
I remember as a kid, kiss Alive one and Kiss
Alive two and all the magazines. Right, But Ace played
two guitars back then. Well he played you know a
lot of guitars, but he played two main guitars. He
played that guitar that was the triple pick up, the

(02:35):
triple white pickup Les Paul, and this one, the double
pickup Cherry Somburst, Les Paul. And I always wanted one,
I did, you know, It's just one of those things
when you're a kid. So I got one, I got two,
maybe three, And and every time I look at those guitars,

(02:59):
you know, I think I do That's that's where it
goes for me. And then today happened. So I went
and grabbed one and I hung it right there for
Ace Freely. All right, So we'll we'll leave that right there.
I'm still in you know, I'm shot. You know. It
was so sudden. And I was watching the post today

(03:21):
and I was like, oh man, I don't need this.
I don't need this. Nobody does, right, And and then
we did get the announcement, so there you go. Ace
Freely passed away today. He was supposed to play last
week here in Palmdale. And the show was canceled because
he had tripped and fell in his studio and bumped

(03:42):
his head and they canceled the show. And uh yeah, yeah, wow,
absolutely nuts. All right, let's move on. The show must
go on. This week I Fade to Black. Monday Night,
Great night. Rick Osmond was here talking about the history
of bloss America. Tuesday night, physicist Lawrence M. Krause was

(04:03):
here the three I Atlas last night, Lynn Buchanan right
remote viewing. And tonight it's MD Selling is joining us.
I've titled this show Creating science Fiction because with MD
he does a little bit of everything, right, He's a dabbler,
and he's really good at it. He does a little

(04:25):
bit of everything. So he's creating, he's writing, he's directing,
he's acting, writing books, doing a lot of stuff. And
how do you title that show, Well, creating science fiction.
And we're going to do all of that tonight, and
we're going to talk about truths, right, truths, and how

(04:48):
do those truths trickle down not only into his work,
but into science fiction as well? All right, So we're
going to do all of that. I do have seven
events coming up, actually have eight and maybe nine but
right now, it's seven coming up in a couple of
months right here in southern California, the Conscious Life Expo.
This is February twenty through the twenty third at the

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Lax Hilton. After that the Sedona Ascension Retreat March twentieth
through the twenty second in Sedona, Arizona. After that it's
the Contact Modalities Expo May first through the third in Delavan,
Wisconsin at Delavan Lake. After that back out here for
Contacting the Desert May twenty eight through June first in
Palm Springs, California. Then I head south to Peru for

(05:33):
the Inca Celebration of the Sun with Brian Forrester. That
is June twenty third through July first. I come back
from that then head over to Scotland for the Monty
Python Tour of Scotland August first through the ninth, twenty
twenty sixth, and then after that I go back to
Peru and Easter Island with Brian Forrester. All right, so

(05:53):
the links for everything that I am doing are below,
and I am now looking at my screen. I have
to do something right now. I have to do this
in real time. Everybody, just stay with me. All right,
just stay with me. Just don't go anywhere, all right,

(06:15):
just stay right there. I can't believe I have to
do this in real time. And MD, I apologize for
this thirty second delay, but it will be worth it.
I promise you that. And you know what, I'm supposed
to be a professional. I'm supposed to know what I
am doing. But also I can assure you of this.

(06:39):
Nothing phases me. Nothing, nothing phases me at all, not
anymore empty. And know we're talking about that before the
show tonight. MD Selik joins us, and here's the deal.
Combat decorated pilot, former intelligence officer, and tonight we're going
to talk about why his fiction is rooted in historical

(07:03):
fact and how the deep state hides truths in playing
sight and the role of you got it, mind control
and shaping public perception. We're gonna do all of that
and much more. It sounds like Tuesday night here on
Fade to Black. Yeah, he's not only a screenwriter, but
he's lived that kind of life. He's a decorated marine

(07:25):
combat jet attack pilot and flying missions around the globe.
And also how he turns that into cinematic storytelling. And
this is the deal. We're going to do a deep
dive tonight and I want to get into someone's head

(07:46):
like MD's and learn something and that's what's most important.
All Right, We're going to talk about all of that
and much more tonight, like to welcome for the first
time to fade to black, MD selling. He's right there, MD.
How you doing everything it.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
I'm super pleased to be here, Jim. It's a big honor.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, in the middle of uh, I think, check this out.
You're gonna love this. Most of the audience won't understand
what I am saying, but you will, and I want
you to laugh. My teleprompter is scrolling right, everything's good,
and then it went blank, so I had to there

(08:30):
was a blank spot for you. So I had to
copy and paste into the teleprompter your body while I'm
still talking on the show, like nothing's going on. Cut
and paste, get the teleprompter back, get it moving. But
nobody knew that was pretty smooth.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
One. That's the way. That's the way you roll. You know,
stuff happens. You're in the middle of your combat and
stuff's flying by your windscreen and you got to push
a button to make stuff happen, and you gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I had. I had a producer. I'll say his name.
There's no shame in my game, because he was amazing.
His name was Doug Siegel, and he produced a couple
of things for me for a History Channel, some TV series.
And one day we're on the set and we have
got you know, it's like six cameras, you know, you know,

(09:19):
the whole thing, you know, and it's just you know,
and it's hot and the lights and there, and he's
running the teleprompter and he's doing it on a giant iPad.
He's holding it right right, and that parts that's what
he was comfortable with it. He wanted to be in control.
That's fine. But so I'm sitting there and I'm doing

(09:40):
my thing, and then he goes, Jimmy, this is a
good moment, keep talking, and he takes the teleprompter back
the iPad and he's messing with that. Man worked he
didn't say cut right, oh man, So I'm just off
into whatever zone. I don't need remember what I said.

(10:02):
And uh, and then he flips it back and then
we keep on going and uh. Later on I had
asked him, we're like at catering or something. So what
was it that all about? He goes, that was the
stuff for Richard Dolan. I didn't. I was like, okay,
I get that. That was episode seven, man, I had

(10:23):
to get back into episode five.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
But yeah, but whatever it takes.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Just keep it church, keep it, stretch it out, you know,
it's funny.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Roll with it. Yeah. Sometimes those things I think are
kind of magical because probably what you said was the
best part of the show.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Oh it went. It made the cut. Oh it made
the cut.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
I never told anybody what part or what I said,
but yeah, it made the cut. I want to I
want to start here if I may. My daughter, she's thirty,
and she came out. You know, I live in Palmdale,
and so she came out from Encino and everybody MD's

(11:06):
here with us on the West Coast. He knows what
I'm talking about logistically. So she comes out to the
house for my birthday last week and we're sitting and
she doesn't really watch or follow. She's into the subject,
but she doesn't, you know, she's too busy, you know.
But anyway, she said these words to me, unprompted. She goes, Dad,

(11:31):
I don't trust the government. I go, okay, good, wow, good,
all right, okay, we can just let that simmer. But
I raised you right, Yeah, and what do you think
of that? Thirty years old? That generation? It made me
feel pretty good. But what do you think about those words?
Pretty powerful?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah. So I think anybody who's conscious of any gigantic groups,
so in this case, the government or if it's a
big corporation or whatever, I think if she's leaning on
the side of skepticism, that's a pretty healthy place to
be in my opinion, and she'll learn from there that
maybe some of them that she thinks are not saying

(12:19):
the right things and are telling a lie. She might
find over time, like I kind of like that one.
I think that one's actually telling the truth and this
one's not. But the process of vetting that she clearly
already has to me is the key that she's starting
to vet already. Like, I don't trust them as a group,
but I bet if you talk to her individually and said,
what about Senator such and so have you seen her

(12:41):
speak or him? You may find over time that she
goes you know, actually that particular senator I do like so,
But I just love it that she's that the process
of vetting is in action, and especially around the government.
That's that's a good thing, because not all of them
are bad, not all of them are good. There's there's

(13:01):
a process that you have to go through to to
stay vigilant.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Would you say those words out loud to somebody.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Would I say I don't trust the government. No, I
wouldn't say that because I don't believe that our government
is really at fault here. I believe we have a
lot of amazing people in the government really trying to
do the right thing. I believe in America. I believe
in what America stands for. I also believe that you

(13:32):
have to be vigilant all the time. I believe that
there are elements within the American government that are nefarious,
elements meaning individuals who are willing to work with the cabal.
And I'm certain we'll get into that a little bit later.
But as an overall entity, I'm super proud of the

(13:55):
American government. We don't always do the right thing. We
make mistakes every government, but as a general rule, I
think Alexander Hamilton and all the forefathers, they I think
they did it correctly.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
They're the ones that said, don't trust the government, right,
Oh man, Yeah, it's it's that part is kind of
funny when you really think about it, that you know
the names of the presidents from the past that we
hold in such high regard, right, it seems like every

(14:29):
single one of them at one point said, man, I
don't dig what's going on. Listen, public, listen to me.
I'm your leader. Don't trust the government. Keep stay vigilant,
keep your eyes open. Freedom of the press, right, freedom
of the freedom. And isn't that weird? What what is

(14:51):
it that they back then? Right? Not in the world
of social media and manipulation and fake news and and
all of this. It's it's something that they were very
aware of back then, after you know, what went down
in England and coming over here and trying to start
a clean slate and then what went down over the

(15:13):
next one hundred, one hundred and fifty years. They were
fighting for that constantly, weren't they.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
I believe that one of the things that all your listeners,
you know, your audience is certainly a smart audience. But
a lot of the stuff that's occurred in history, and
I'll just take Ike as an example. Eisenhower phenomenal, phenomenal
army officer and leader, you know, basically, and I won't

(15:41):
go into winning the war versus winning the battle. I
think in the case of World War Two, we won
the battle. But I'll talk a little bit more later
about who won the war. But Ike was a phenomenal leader.
And speaking of your idea around the leaders have been
trying to tell us for a long time, I'm no
longer in control. If you listen to Ike's departure speech.

(16:05):
And I came into office in nineteen fifty three, so
at eight years what are we nineteen sixty one, right
before Kennedy. His departure speech is the very first time
that I know of that a public figure literally said hey, America.
And you could tell he was nervous about it, because
I think he had already been warned, but he was

(16:26):
going to go out because he wanted to say it
before that, but he had been confronted. And he basically
says in his speech, I want you to know that
the industrial military complex is in control. I am not
in control as the president. Your Congress is not in control.
I'm trying to tell you, as I'm departing here, be

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aware of what's happening there.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's part of you know the myth, right, the folklore
that he tried to do that speech in fifty eight
got struck down. He tried to do it in fifty nine,
he tried to do it in sixty and you know
he's checking out, you know, he's out of the Oval office.

(17:18):
And then he was like, well, you know what, that's it.
That's it. This needs to be heard. But he tried
to say it for three, four or five years.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
He also tried to warn Kennedy when Kennedy arrived, and Kennedy,
being young and aggressive and not wanting to be told
what to do, didn't heed it. And you get to
see what happens. And I can absolutely promise you James
Angleton and Alan Dulles assassinated that president.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
That's right. Absolutely, How do you get your name at
an airport? Man? Every time I land at Dulles, all
that just plays in my head, All of it just
plays back. But here, okay, I'm going to make a
little We're going to stay on the subject, of course,

(18:10):
but I'm going to tie it into three I atlas
because here we have an object that we don't understand
what it is. Interstellar coming around the Sun. It's been imaged,
there's been some sensor data, a lot of speculation about
what it is and what it isn't. But strangely enough,

(18:33):
knowing that every government and university in the world that's
got some type of program going on has got their
telescopes focused on that object, you know that every satellite
that's got censor data collectors on it in orbit is

(18:56):
focused on this and is collecting data. But suddenly all
of that has fallen silent. Nobody is talking about it.
And if it's just a comment, it's just a comment.
We have two comments right now. Right you can go outside.
I was just out before the show out looking for

(19:17):
the comment. It'll be when we take the five minute
commercial break at the top of the hour. It's supposed
to be right below the Big Dipper. Everybody, if you
look to the northwest, I'm gonna go out and check
it out. But anyway, so we've got not one, not two,
but three comments at the same time here on Earth.
That's crazy town. So if three I outlas is a comment,

(19:37):
why not talk about it like they're talking about the
other comments. What do you make is that an example
of the deep state? Controlling not only the narrative but
the media and what they feel the public needs to know.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
My gut feeling about anything to do with the current
media worldwide is that everything, absolutely everything you are seeing
is controlled from both sides by the cabul So what
information does flow down when it stops, when it ceases,
when it becomes more prevalent, where it suddenly seems like, oh,

(20:15):
we're getting all this great information and people are getting excited,
and then it dims down like it has in the
last couple of days. My experience of watching this process
over and over is that that control keeps us spinning.
We never really get in the information I call it

(20:37):
limited hangout where we get just some tidbits to kind
of make a salivate, and then we're never really told
what the hell just happened. And sure enough, five months
from now, everyone will forgotten Atlas and we'll be onto
the next thing. But what could have occurred and what
is actually occurring with the few individuals who actually know

(21:00):
what it is that process is still going on. What
we're getting has nothing to do with the actual processes
that are that are interacting with that object.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
How free are you not? I'm not looking for top
secret stuff, but I just want to gauge where I
can go. How free are you to talk about your
military career?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Oh, I can say pretty much everything except for things
I can't say. But i'll certainly, i'll certainly. I'll let
you know as I discussed anything to do with my
military background, what I can and can't talk about, what
I'm not comfortable with, and I'll just tell you up
front it most of it I can talk about.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I mean, this was I'm not looking for specifics, but
I certainly sure would love your attitude in your opinion,
to be revealed. So let's go with something like this.
Was there a point it doesn't matter. I'm going to
get it out of you anyway. I should have been.
I should have been one of those two tech Guantanamo.
I would have got anything out of anyway, but without waterboarding. Yeah,

(22:15):
just bring bring your dog, Yeah yeah, just bring somebody
on my show. I'll give you. I'll get you whatever
you need. Right. As an intelligence officer, was there a
point where you're looking at information and gathering information versus
what you knew and what the public knows where you

(22:38):
had to back up and go, Okay, reality is not
what it seems. Was there a moment there for you
with that exactly. So that's a great question. And here's
what was occurring for me in desert storm. Literally I
believe it was.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
You have to look it up, but I think it
was January eleventh, is when we took the bombs over
the fence and we didn't bring them back. I was
to kind of give your it's a little bit of
a background. I was an intruder pilot. The A six
Intruder is an attack jet with a bombeder navigator that
sits next to me, who basically zeros in on the target.
So that jet, it's a Vietnam era jet no longer flown.

(23:16):
It's been mothballed for two seat F eighteen's, but in
nineteen ninety one, that jet is made to go in
in all weather conditions into mountains or whatever without being
able to see out of the cockpit, and the bombeder
navigator presents a scene for me basically like a Star Wars,
like what Luke sees going in to get the desk Star.
I see something like that on my screen, and I

(23:37):
fly toward the target through the mountains or through rough weather,
and we drop our ordnance and we come back. The
reason I bring that up is I'm coming back to
the base and we were on an expeditionary airfield called
shake Easey. It's no longer top secret. At the time
it was. It was a NATO base in the southern
end of Bahrain. Had you talked to me back then,

(24:02):
I would have said, well, I'm on a base somewhere
over here. But now I can tell you we were
on the southern tip of Bahrain, in the island Shaky's
Air Base was full of NATO, Bird's Air Force, Navy,
everything was at that base, right, not the big bombers.
We were all attack jets and fighters launching from that base.

(24:24):
And what was wild was in our in the officers
mess hall. I mean, it was just a huge you know,
it's like a warehouse, it's gigantic, and right up front
was this gigantic screen where CNN is playing every night.
So what was wild was I'm reading these top secret
briefs of what's currently occurring and what's about to occur

(24:45):
that night, like what bombing missions are about to happen,
and what bad guys we think are in what buildings,
and how many troops do we think are coming south
on the Highway to Hell, which would eventually be the
Highway to Hell. But I'm reading in advance what is
about to happen. And I knew before we ever did
our first strikes on the first night, I knew that

(25:05):
the very first thing that was going to occur as
two f eighteen's, we're going to rise up and take
out the Iraqi air wax airwax, a wax, a wax. Sorry,
it's late here in California, Jimmy every day, and I
got you definitely have I definitely have some of that
at sixty two years old. But so you know, I

(25:28):
got to read in advance, like, okay, well, starting at
you know, zero twelve seconds, that a wax is toast
and then it's going to be a bunch of Apache
helicopters that go in and take out all their ground
radar sites. Wow, that's within the first friggin two minutes.
They are blind. All of Iraq is blind in two minutes.

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What happens on CNN after that got kicked off is
a completely different story.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Of what you're all I.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Can say is that what you're seeing on the television,
and you know you can't blame the meeting. They're being
fed exactly what they're supposed to say, but bless their hearts,
it has very little to do with the actual ground
and air operations that were occurring daily and what the
actual movements were. You know, once in a while you

(26:25):
would have Schwartz cough on there if you remember, going, look,
this is the luckiest dude on this bridge before he
gets across the bridge before it did disintegrates. That kind
of stuff is fun and it's real, and that's actually
what happened in that moment when he's showing you the
real footage. But what I'm reading on briefs, what's supposed
to happen gets disseminated, was a completely different animal. So

(26:48):
to get back to your question of what occurs with
the media and with the military and with the government,
what gets fed to the public is a completely different animal.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
The other thing, I don't do politics on the show,
but I love the conspiracy of politics. I'll do that
all night long. And one of the most bizarre things
that we're starting to see unfold over the last few
months and certainly over this last week, is the we

(27:25):
all can complain about the media. I'm a member of
the media. This is what I do, you know, and
I've done FCC controlled live radio for a long time,
and I know what it's like to be handcuffed with
that stuff and censoring and watching what I say and
all that. I get that, plus the other thing that

(27:48):
I used to have to deal with. We had when
I'm hosting Coast to Coast, We've got the news playing
live in front of it in case there's breaking news.
And if there's breaking news, people are listening to Coast
to Coast for three or four hours. They may not
be watching their TV and there may be something that
they need to know. So I need to break in

(28:11):
or come in after a commercial break, collect the news,
vet it, and turn it around and report it. I'm
used to doing that. That's that part is fine. There's
a certain freedom to that where nobody's controlling what I
am saying. I am reporting the news to my audience
right now, right now, that's being controlled. You know where

(28:35):
the Pentagon press room is like shut down right now,
and they had you know, all of the Pentagon press
reporters from all of the news outlets. It doesn't matter
if it's left, right, center and whatever. Everybody turned in
their press credentials for the Pentagon and access to the

(28:55):
building and cleaned out their offices except for one and
because of the restrictions that they want to start putting
on the press. This is happening with NASA, this is
happening with health reporting, disease control, weather, right, everything right
now is turning into this controlled situation where we used

(29:19):
to laugh at nineteen eighty four like that'll never happen.
It's a good movie. Yeah it's a good warning. But
now it'll never come to that. Well it is, And
that's the part that really scared. There's good and bad
journalists out there. There's good and bad in everything, but
we can't shut it all down and get our news

(29:40):
and our reporting from one source, the source that we're
reporting on. By the way, does that scare you? Does
that make you nervous?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
I'm not scared of it. I think what's important for
me anyway is to be vigilant that I I'm now
absolutely convinced from kind of not only my research of
and my past with reading briefs during operations and then
really seeing what's disseminated to the public. I'm not scared

(30:14):
because I think you know, the press means, well, what
I am as I'm vigilant to realize that nothing, nothing,
that the press is putting out on radio, on television, interviews,
all of that is controlled on both sides. And as

(30:37):
you become aware of that, you realize, wow, this entire
Don't get me wrong, I love our government. What you
are seeing, in my opinion, with our government is a
complete puppet show. I do not think our government wields
any power. And that has to do with the revolving

(30:59):
door of You know, you have a senator for two
years and they're gone. You have a president for four
years if they're lucky, and then they're gone. The cabal
knows this. The Cabal doesn't have to give any of
those characters what's actually going on. The manipulation that the
Cabal does on both sides of every conflict, from Ukraine
to Russia. They're working both sides. They make money off

(31:20):
of both sides. If tanks are being created, the cabal
makes money. If tanks are not being created and it's
shifted to something else, the Cabal still makes money. They
control the Arab Israeli conflict. Any conflict on the planet
that you're aware of is being controlled from both sides
and has been, in my opinion now since for seventy

(31:43):
years at.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Least been that way since Jesus exactly. Yeah, yeah, maybe
before that. When I was a kid, I want to
get to the definitions of the cabal and the deep state.
Sure in just your second. When I was a kid,
I was like ten years old Indianapolis. I'll make this
story very brief. I just want your laughter and your comment.

(32:07):
Listening to AM radio midnight, I'm ten years old in
my bedroom school night, and you know, and I've got
one of those late night talk shows on and I
loved it. Who knew that that's what I had ended
up doing for a career, but I was addicted to it.
And this is what I heard. I didn't know what

(32:28):
he was saying, but the guest said, the Illuminati has
been in control since cavemen. Well, the more powerful tribe
dominated the region, and they grew up and they're still

(32:52):
here today. They're the strongest and their secret and I'm like, oh, Honie,
what And I'll walk up in the morning, I go
to my dad, right, my teacher, my friend. Illuminati never
heard of it. Never I was ten years old. Now
I've never let go of that thought. That's why I

(33:12):
just said, you know, since Jesus right, But that idea
of being dominant and controlling, you know, the village controlling
the town, controlling the city has been around since the
dawn of man's that's my take. So who is the
deep state or the deep state in the cabal the same,

(33:33):
just with different names for different people. Whoever's using the
deep state at the moment.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
So my impression of I'll just start from the very
top first and then I'll work my way down to
what I consider the deep state. Again, I'm going to
try to give a top down view so it makes
it easy. The Illuminati from way back may have been

(34:01):
and may still be, hybrid humans. So there is some
information that says that way back when they knew humans
were going to have to be controlled. Because I will
tell you that humans in the end of the day
were extremely powerful, to the extent that were considered royalty
by many races, many alien races. And I'll tell you
why about that in a little while. It has to

(34:22):
do with our intent and our power of love. It's
kind of an unstoppable force, and the malevolent aliens that
are here in contractual obligations with members of the Illuminati
from the past and now members of the Kabal kind
of one and the same thing. And I'll define that
in a minute. They're working off of fear. So let

(34:44):
me now go to the Kabal and who I think
they are. From my research, it appears that it's a
very small group of excessively wealthy individuals mixed with what
they like to think of themselves as a cod administrative elite.
Now that's what they like to think of themselves. In

(35:05):
my opinion, I might not give that much credence to them.
I'm just saying that those individuals, so think Rothchilds, Rockefellers,
Royal family, and many others, super wealthy. So let's say
the group is let's just say, for the sake of
saying that it's fifty individuals worldwide. Those individuals have been

(35:30):
trading in alien technologies since the early forties. Okay, the
Nazis were the first to trade with the Draco Reptilians.
Nineteen thirty eight was, as far as I can tell,
the first signed agreements where the where the Nazis were
told to go to Antarctica. Hey, you'll find a base there.
The Nazis will eventually call it Base two eleven. A

(35:52):
lot of other Nazis were taken to Argentina, but the
best of the Nazi scientists, many of them, were taken
to Base two eleven, where the first anti gravity ships
were built with Draco help, Draco technology, Draco Reptilian technology.
I'll get into that a little bit later. But having
said that, the cabal in nineteen forty five, as best

(36:15):
I can tell, was fully in control already at that
time on the planet. You mentioned the Illuminati being from
way back. Yes, that's correct. I can't define if that
Illuminati meaning the same group of individuals wealthy from around
the world that work above all other governments, including the

(36:37):
US and the American government. Like these individuals can literally
make a couple phone calls and the CIA suddenly puts
out an order to do their dirty work on whatever
that group wants, because those individuals control who gets promoted
and who doesn't, all the way to the president. They
have control over having someone confront the president like an

(37:00):
ike and go. If you talk about that, it's not
going to end well for you. So this is the
cabal that works behind the scenes. Now for each country,
you have to remember the cabal needs operatives in every country.
I'll use the Majestic twelve as an example. But just
remember there has to be operatives within our government to

(37:25):
even hand out a military contract to reverse engineering alien saucers.
So let's say the cabal knows that three saucers came
down at Roswell, which is what occurred. Those saucers were
taken eventually to S four. A couple of them went
to write pat for a short period of time, but
they eventually ended up at S four. Now, who's going

(37:45):
to reverse engineer those All of those decisions and those
connections have to come through Americans because S four is
a CIA beginning base. They bought the property the CIA owns.
It took all the clearance levels so high the president
can't go there. You notice Ike never got to go
to ask for He sent a couple of people, but

(38:07):
he's only clear to top secret seventeen. He cannot go
above that, and therefore they were able to go rogue
with the facility. It is a cabal stronghold. It goes
down at certain areas fifty floors down and there is
all kinds of reverse engineering going on there. But I
bring this back to the Cabal and how powerful they are.

(38:29):
It only takes even as they evolved over the years
from the fifties, because certainly the Cabal has had turnover
as well. They quickly realize like, look, if we play
both sides of the card here. Even at Roswell, we
tell people, oh, an alien saucer just landed, and then
next day we say, no, it didn't land. It was
a damn weather balloon. People will bite on that, spin

(38:51):
on it. They'll tell people who think they actually saw aliens,
who might have actually seen alans, they say, yeah, right,
well have the news is say, and that's now a
weather balloon and you're crazy, And they can spin that
to this day and that's what they do. So the
Kabal not only does all of the contracts that they
want to do with these malevolent alien groups to gain technology,

(39:13):
but they can then employ that technology against other countries.
And what you're seeing with the Malaysian hijacking, the teleportation
of that jet, that is the Cabal making a statement
because the one country they can't control is China. Why
language barrier. They can control China to an extent with technology,
they can teleport a jet right in front of the

(39:34):
Chinese when the Chinese are watching this jet that's bringing
them American technology and engineers, they can make it vanish
in front of them and say, who's your daddy now?
But they cannot control the Chinese. The Chinese are really powerful.
That is the one country they can't control, so they
make adjustments to still hold the planet in control. But

(39:56):
I'm just telling you.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, we got man, I've wain too much
to unpack there. Are you suggesting, though, that that's a
really fascinating point. Are you suggesting that China's not scared.
They don't give a shit. Are they aware? Are they
aware of the alien presence and they don't care? Oh?

Speaker 4 (40:24):
No, no, no. I think the Chinese are actually in
contractual obligations as well. I believe several countries are in
contractual obligations with various alien groups, malevolent alien groups, because
you've got to remember that the benevolent alien groups. And
it's it's my understanding, it's a ninety five to five
percent ratio. There's the positive aliens. There's a ninety five

(40:45):
percent positive aliens in the multiverse. But the five percent
that are willing to break the prime directive, that are
willing to mess with humanity and evolve us faster than
we're supposed to. Are the ones we're dealing with are
the ones that the Cabal is in contractual obligations with.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
How do how does how does that do? They? Man?
I'm just gonna ask direct. I don't want to try
to sound smart. Just let me ask direct. Is there
influence from other ets to keep this five percent in check?
Or are here on Earth they can do what they want?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
The answer to your question is yes, the benevolent ets,
which are all around us. I can promise you that
they're here. They're watching what's going on. They are definitely
having an influence on the negative ets, and it becomes
I mean, if you just take any conflict like the

(41:50):
Arab Israeli conflict and how many factions are involved and
who's doing what to who, and this, that and the other,
the multiverse are universe. You're actual reality around you is
that complex multiplied. There are billions of races in the multiverse,
not just the ones that we can see in our

(42:11):
third density, because that's all we're seeing right now, but
in various dimensions. The reptilians, for instance, the Draco reptilians
they work in the lower fourth density, but they can
appear to you in the third density when they want to.
Nordic's work in the seventh density, they can appear in
the third density when they want to. I'm only saying

(42:33):
that to say to kind of to your question that
it's super complex. But to realize it's it's understandable. You
just have to take it in pieces and slowly, you know,
listen to shows like this and understand all of the

(42:53):
pieces that are at play here, and pretty soon you
start to get a picture like, Okay, wow, that makes
sense that the Malaival races they'll break the prime directive
because they want certain things.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Are Is this a screenplay you're working on? And if
you're not, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
All of that information is in in the book Hush.
You can certainly you'll certainly get a very good overview
of your current covert history. I take it back to
about nineteen forty and if I try to write the
story as just a fun story to kind of give
people a break from their regular kind of drone lives

(43:33):
that we all have on some level, just to allow
there to be an escape. But I think what people
will find is as they're reading. At least some of
the feedback I've had. It's like people have said, God,
I don't know, I don't believe any of this stuff,
and yet I just know you're telling me the truth.
So you'll learn that. I really I can't write something
until I have just vetted it and researched it from

(43:56):
every angle to find the exact times when things happen,
to the exact building, who was involved, who was actually there,
and then I kind of splat it out as a story.
So I think you'll find that Hush will give you
a really good idea of a lot of your covert
past up to about just past Roswell.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Thank you for I was just going to ask Bill
and John and Jessica to get the links up for Hush,
but Bill jumped jumped the gun and beat me to it,
so we do have the links up right there for Hush.
Has Hush been optioned yet?

Speaker 4 (44:36):
It has not?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
The why not?

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Why?

Speaker 1 (44:38):
The good?

Speaker 4 (44:39):
The good?

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Would you want it optioned?

Speaker 4 (44:43):
I have a feeling it's going to be a series,
just because I think once if you and Jimmy, I'd say,
for you being so busy, you know, and being a writer,
you're gonna want the audible version, which you'll give you
twenty two hours of writing enjoyment.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
I think you know my favorite thing to do. I mean,
I've got a lot of favorite things, writing my Harley
and which by the way, everybody check out gun Runner
if if you get the chance, uh check that out.
When when gun Runner was released, I was like, well, okay,

(45:16):
this has got all of my favorite things. The future,
dude on a Harley trying to save his daughter, right,
dealing with Russians and Chinese and and disease and the
future and and and I was like, man, this is
this is it? So out of all of that, those
are my favorite things. They're all in gun Runner and

(45:36):
and but what has taken precedent over all of those
audible at night when I sleep? Oh man, I can't
do it.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I can't wait for You're you're processing,
you're getting through a novel, and then you wake up
and you you got it.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
This is what I do. This I'm I'm revealing way
too much about my This is the next level.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Yeah, yeah, this is next level of multitasking. I mean,
when you're sleeping, that's what I do. I'm going to
have to develop that capability.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I'll take a book. I'll take a book and I'll
listen to it every night for about two weeks, and
I'll have it. I'll have it, I'll have it. I'll
dream it, you know, no, and sometimes I'll start in
the middle because I've now listened to the first five chapters,

(46:33):
you know, three nights in a row, and I've got it.
I've absorbed it, and yeah, I love it, man, and
it really it opens up DNA.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Okay, I think you're gonna need a month for Hush
because it is twenty two hours of audio. You need
a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Do you do the uh?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
I do?

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Oh, I'll do it tonight. I'll do it tonight. I'll
start tonight.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Well, audit the audible hasn't hit. We've turned it in
and so just kind of keep an eye on the links.
If you're going to you can go to MDC league
dot com and certainly we'll announce it when they when
they say that it's available. But we've turned it in
I don't know, seven days ago, so they have to
go through it and do whatever they do, and then

(47:20):
they'll post it. So the next I would imagine in
the next three or four days, the audible will post
and it should be that should be a fun sleep
time for you for a couple of days.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I'm want to go back to the A six Intruder
for a second. And by the way, sure, quite possibly.
I've got a lot of favorite planes. I live here
in Palmdale, man, I've got everything. Right down the street.
SR seventy ones are parked, you know, on the side
of the road. And I'm not making it up. There's
two of them, two us are seventy ones right down
the street.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
We drove right by. I'm shooting gun Runner because we
shot in the I was.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Gonna ask you, do you shot that in Palmdale? Didn't
you parts of it?

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Course, Well, we shot, we shot and I don't know
if you consider the Trona Pinnacles Palmdale, but we shot
a lot of that show was shot at the Pinacle.
Yeah yeah, I was in and around that area.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it all over.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I lover.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
What was I saying? Oh, so the A six Intruder.
I've got a lot of favorite planes, you know, But
that was just nasty cool. It's it was like a
utility hitter. It was like the Kurt Gibson right of
the Navy.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
That's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. You nailed it.
That's it was. It could bring it could bring the sledgehammer.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, man, you know, and twin seeding. I mean, that's
just the best. You know, you can smack somebody next
to you, you know. That's that's that's.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
I'll take it. I'll take it for your fantasy to
the next level. So I'm on the base and I'm
watching this intruder come in and I know it's a
Navy bird because there's emergency vehicle out. This is during
the war and the damn thing lands and if there
isn't a damn sam excuse my word, damn, I won't
say that there is a SAM miss that went through

(49:11):
the wings. So just imagine a telephone pole went through
the wing. And I was just thinking, Okay, those pilots,
they're my new favorites because it went through their wing
and they landed it, and I'm just like, now, that
is a pilot.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Now right there. Did you ever see any ana jet?
Did you ever see anything in the sky when you
were flying?

Speaker 4 (49:35):
You mean UFO type yeah, yea uapia. Yeah, I didn't
my my one big alien event was when I was
twelve years old listening to KISR, the top radio station
in nineteen eighty. I think I was looking out my
window in Kent, Washington at the Seattle skyline, and I'm
seeing this thing traveling literally twenty miles back and forth

(49:57):
across the skyline, because I was twenty miles away away
from Seattle, so I could see the whole skyline, and
this scene was going up and angles and right angle turns,
and I knew aircraft at that point. I would already
had my private license when I was a senior in
high school, and I was just about to call in
when Steve Slayton I think was his name, my favorite

(50:19):
radio host at the time. I don't know if he's
there anymore. KISR, I think that was the name of
the station. He suddenly stops everything, go hole, ho, hold on,
we've got we are being flooded with calls that there's
something over the city right now. And I was just like, yes, wow,
I have seen it, you know. So I was so
stoked because I knew there was I knew there was
no helicopter, there was no jet that we had in

(50:41):
our arsenal at that time, at least that I knew
of and even today of what that thing was doing
there was it was absolutely an off world craft or
from Inner Earth where it was from it it was not.
It was certainly using anti gravity technology.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Out here of Palmdale. And I'm not saying this from
a position of ego or bragging or trying to make
people upset or jealous or anything like that. But out
here it is so repetitive and so constant that you

(51:15):
stop paying attention. It's like that. And I know it
sounds crazy, like, wouldn't you be out there every night? Well?
I am, what do you see stuff every Yeah? But man,
you know I've been out here for five years now,
five years. One mile from skunk Works. The runway faces
my house, so I can go out at night md

(51:39):
the second floor my house, my master bedroom. I have
a balcony. I can go out on that balcony and
see skunk Works. And if I want to see something,
I go. I got my night vision on my nightstand.
It's right there, you know, and I just go out
and see what's happening for five or ten minutes. Oh
that's cool, and you know, go back in the house.

(52:01):
It's like that one night. I'll share this with you
and then I want to get back to hush. How
much time do we have? Okay, I'll make this story
sixty seconds. I went out to see the meteor shower.
It's just like two years ago. It seems like it
was last summer, but I think it was two years ago.

(52:21):
Meteor shower. I go out after the show. I walk
out and I've got my binoculars and I've got my
night vision. I'm standing there and I see meteors right away.
Oh wow, man, it's raining meteors. This is cool, all right.
So and as I'm watching that, right below where the

(52:42):
meteors are going across the sky, is this white thing
flying right over skunk Works. And here I'm gonna change
cameras and it's like same altitude, but it's like doing
this weird thing. But it didn't have navigation lights. It

(53:06):
was strobing fast, these these white lights underneath it and so.
But but I was watching the meteors right so whatever
this was, it didn't really catch my attention. But it
was up there the entire time. And then I watched

(53:26):
it do this weird thing and I wait a minute,
I don't hear anything. Is it a helicopter? That's what
you know. I was paying attention to the meteors. I
thought it was whatever. And then it's silent, and it's
not far from me mile you know, it's right there.

(53:46):
It's maybe thousand feet off the ground and h and
I don't hear it. I don't see any navigator. It
catches my and then at that moment it comes right
out over my house. Fly it stops above my head
right here. It's five hundred feet thousand feet up, and
it's big, and it's three shape three. I couldn't see

(54:09):
the shape. I could see the three white strobe things
on each corner. So there's three. So it's going to
be a triangle no matter what. You can't make a
square out of three. But there's three, and they're not
making any noise. But it stroke fast. It's fast like
a disco strobe in nineteen seventy seven, you know, on

(54:32):
the dance floor, and I'm staring at it.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
You're dating both of them, I.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Know, right, night Feva, night feva, and so yeah, exactly,
and I'm like, holy crap, it's probably thirty fifty feet wide,
right yeah. And then it goes back. But it came
over like it like it did it for me?

Speaker 4 (54:59):
What year was that?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
It's like two years ago, two years ago, year and
a half ago. So it goes back. I come back
this last flight. I got bored with it. I come
in the house. I didn't shoot video or anything. I
came in the house, got ready for bet. The next day,
I told the story on the air and uh oh.

(55:20):
I had Richard Dolan on the show the next night
and I tell Dolan the story. He's like, it was,
so what was the shape? I said, there's three things.
But I tell the story on the show. The day
after that, it pops up in social media you will
fos over Palmdale, U a fos over And it wasn't UFOs.

(55:40):
It was UFO number one. But there were comments in that.
Jimmy Church said, you know, okay, that's all fine, but
here's the thing with that. It happened and it was
a Wednesday night in Palmdale. It's like that out here,
and to say that and any gravitic.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Or they're just they're just goofing off on when it's you.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Know, it's it's really crazy. It's really yeah. Yeah, I've
had so many friends over at the house and we
just line up chairs in the backyard with a night vision. Wow.
It just just kicked back and watching. Something happens every time,
something crazy.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Yeah, I'm assuming you're watching a probably a newer version
of the t R three B which has been flying
for years as a workhorse between here and the moon
and here.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Dead dead, silent. And it was smooth too, no jerky anything,
nothing funky.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Was it doing right angle turns or was it curving?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
When it was it was okay. So, and here's the
other thing. Over Lockey that's protected airspace. There ain't no drones,
there's no action, no nothing flies over Lockheed. Air Force
Plan forty two is right there. NASA is right there
north of Grummings, right there. They build the B twenty

(57:10):
ones there, and the B two and the F thirty five.
You know, there's and the U two's are based out
of there. They're all lined up at Air Force Plan
forty two. So it's a very restricted airspace. There's nothing funky.
But what I was observing was directly above Lockheed like

(57:31):
and it was flying like if you had an imaginary
rectangle that was maybe a mile wide and a half
mile deep. It was like staying in that and doing
weird just weird flight pattern, just strength. It was being tested.
Whatever it was, it was being tested, and that was it.

(57:53):
It was at the same altitude the whole time, very.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
And did and it was completely silent.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
No nothing, I heard nothing, nothing. That general over my
head and I look Ryan Guid's belly for thirty seconds.
Man good like that.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Generally those yeah, those are anti gravity ships that have
a nuclear reactor on board. The reason I say that
is a they're silent. They're in a gravity envelope, so
they can move in any particular direction at I mean,
well beyond mock speeds. But they're the reason it's silent
is it's it's not a conventional aircraft. And and Lockheed

(58:35):
Martin is known to have created that TR three B
many years ago and it's been a daily workhorse between
here and the Lunar Operations Command on the Dark Side
of the Moon, as well as several other places. But
it launches from a cord from Station D at Area
fifty one daily eastern seaboard, certainly Diego Garcia from below
the water. They're pretty well known to have been kind

(58:59):
of they're not the level of living conveyances like the
alien ships that are molecularly alive. But the t R
three B is kind of America's first success with an
anti gravity ship. And I believe that's what you were
looking at.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Whenever they have movement out here, and I would love
for you to see this because it's a lot of fun.
But whenever they're moving stuff between buildings, the highway patrol
comes in and blocks all the streets off.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
No, they do, they do, and it happens a lot.
This isn't like once a year. We'll be driving up
like the street that you went on to go past
the SR seventy ones. Okay, it's Palmdale Boulevard. Okay, Avenue no, no, no,
that gets closed off and the next access road like

(59:50):
that is a mile away. You can drive up. But
any of the roads that are around the facility, all
those are closed off. And so but when they're not
closed off, you can drive right up. You can look
right at skunk works. You can see the skunks painted
on the You can look right at it. It's right there,

(01:00:12):
as is with Lockheed, and you can't see Air Force
Plan forty two that's in the middle. You can see
the gates, but you can't see it. But here's the thing.
They're moving stuff in between these facilities all the time,
and they have these hang like temporary canvas covers that
they park stuff under. But you never see stuff get moved. Okay,

(01:00:36):
you don't see Yeah, yeah, you don't. You don't see it.
So when they're moving and everything else, they close those
roads down, there'll be a lot of you'll see I think,
like tip there's a tip off Aviation Week or Popular
Mechanics or whatever. Somebody's getting tipped off because you'll see
r vs park in these parking lots with ladders on

(01:01:01):
the top with photographers there. Okay, but they're on this
side of the you know, you know what I mean.
They can't get close, but you'll see them. Why not. Man,
there'll be a dozen of them on these corners because
they know exactly where to get in between the buildings
hoping to see these things. But yeah, it's really it's
so much fun. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
What and what you're not seeing is the blinding pulses
that Lockheed Martin is shooting off vertically so that no
other country via satellite can see what's occurring during those movies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
It's my guess this is my I'm not listen. Men
in Black don't come knocking on my house tonight and stuff.
But they do most of it during the day, all right,
and there's reasons for that. At night, I guarantee you
they know there's probably a dozen satellites parked right above Lockheed,

(01:01:55):
just just sitting there, just sitting there looking for anything.
They've got ways of doing it, because I'll see it.
I'll be driving down the road and am I Harley
or in my car and suddenly you'll see twelve, you know,
or twenty security pickup trucks in a row, you know,

(01:02:17):
parked on the side of the road all the way. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, so much fun. So that's why I live here.
That's why I live here. Let's take our break, MD,
and enough about me. I want to talk about the
secrets that are in Hush and why you roll the dice.
We're going to do all of that and much more
when we come back. MD Selig is with us. I
am your host, Stummy church. MD. You stay right there.

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Simmy Church, author, director, screenwriter. The list is long. MD
Selig is with us tonight and we are now going
to jump in. I want to talk about Hush and
what's the over arching idea behind Hush.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
It's your covert history from the early forties up until
about nineteen fifty. Basically it covers the Cape Girardo incident,
which was one of the first on our mainland, all
the way through Roswell and at the same time, woven

(01:07:26):
into the story is the tragic evolution of the Malaysian flight.
So that's Hush in a nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Is it is it? Is it alternative history? How do
you approach it? And is it fact disguised as fiction?

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
So I write characters that are obviously fictional characters. I'm
writing a fictional story, but I try to base what's
interesting to me about story is the historical aspect. I
come from being a history major but also a filmmaker

(01:08:18):
and screenwriter for many years. That's what I did. When
I got out of the military's I went to LA
and did the screenwriting thing and began producing. And what's
fascinating to me about any story is the story has
to be first. So it has to be exciting. There
has to be something that takes me out of my
day if I'm going to read something from beginning to end,
it has to be an escape. But the other half,

(01:08:40):
for me, that's extremely important, and I believe this comes
from my background as an intelligence officer for my squadron,
and also just my combat experience and kind of understanding
how the media presents things, and also the number of
covert events that I'm aware of, not only when I
was in but that are in history. I find it

(01:09:01):
fascinating to really recover what I know to be actual
covert events like Roswell, like Cape Girardo, and try to
put historical characters like Ike Eisenhower or James Forstall back
into those actual moments where they're living in real time
what's occurring to them. And those events were deadly. So

(01:09:23):
I find that to be a fascinating way to tell
an overall story. And that's what occurs in Hush.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Does that? Does that? Do you? Are you afforded legal
protection in a way where you can go ahead and
say that this is fiction and that and that then
you can just bury and tell any anything that you
want as long as you stay well under that good question.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
So it is it is fiction at the end of
the day, I you know, who knows what Ike was
thinking when he's confronted with his first dead alien, which
he was confronted with one in nineteen forty one. He
was the colonel sent to Cape Girardo in nineteen forty
one by General George Marshall and said, go go down there.

(01:10:11):
Something's crashed down there. I want you to go figure
out what the hell happened.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Wait wait, wait what wait? Wait? Is that true or
is that fiction? And I don't even know that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
So the actual and so the actual individuals who were involved.
Eisenhower was sent down to recover the saucer that crash
landed in a farmer's field in Cape girarda, Missouri in
nineteen forty one. I believe it was May now I
know this story. Eisenhower landed at Yeah, he landed there

(01:10:44):
at I can't remember the name of sarcast Field anyway,
It was a grass landing strip in the middle of
the night and basically is taken out to a farmers
field with three with Sheriff Spain I can remember his
last name was the sheriff at the time. I believe
he was with a doctor was the other person in

(01:11:07):
the car. And then Captain Root who ran the military
airfield there. Now, remember in nineteen forty one, America has
not entered the war in May of nineteen forty one.
That won't occur until December of nineteen forty one. So
we're pre war. We've got Germans everywhere, We've got spies
throughout America, and General Marshall gets word through. I believe
it was Captain Root that something crash landed here and

(01:11:29):
it ain't from here. So Ike was sent down. Ike's
an unknown colonel. He has not become Ike yet, right,
the Ike that we all know and love, Ike is
sent down under Marshall's command to go see what the
hell happened. So that story is in hush, and that

(01:11:51):
is the first time that Ike encounters dead aliens. I
don't want to tell you too much because it's a
fun evolution.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
No, no, no, we could just talk about this statement
for the next I have researched this and discussed this
and so much over the years. I did not know
about the Eisenhower involvement with Cape Girardo.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Wow, I'll tell you another fun story. I'll tell you
another fun story. So Ike, wait, are you are you
now of this? Not?

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Are you whistle? Blower status.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
I don't think I'm whistle blower status. This is just
factual past history of from several different sources who saw
Ike there, and then several different sources who knew where
the saucer was taken. That's covered in the book. It
was stored below the White House, in that big complex
of dungeon type rooms that have been below the most

(01:12:52):
visited place in the world for so many years. We
hide a lot of our secret stuff down there, and
we did for years low the White House of all things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
So when the now infamous I'm gonna say infamous instead
of famous, because we don't know where they are. The
photographs that were taken of the alien, right, you have
a pastor, preacher that was called out or last.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Right huffington, Yeah, pastor huffing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
All of that goes down, they bring out a doctor.
We've got an injured pilot, but you got it, he's
not of this earth. Ike was one of those guys,
is what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
No, no, no, no no. So Ike comes in later
because remember, so the saucer comes down basically like a fireball,
completely silent, shoots across the sky, hits a cape. Gerardo
Farmers field basically breaks into three pieces. It's molten. When
it hits, it's completely silent, and the folks that saw

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it come down just they had never seen that type
of velocity before of any aircraft. But then it was
also silent. It breaks apart, starts fires, its skids. It
black trees and bushes for a country mile. The entire
town comes out. Huffington has brought in a little bit later,
Preacher Huffington. If I'm saying his name right, it does

(01:14:10):
start with an H. I believe it's Huffington is brought
out later when the doctor who is already there, realizes
there's one live alien and it lives for about two
hours before it finally passes. But Huffington is called part
way through the event to say, hey, do you come
out and read last Rights? Because you know this is
a god fearing community. We all read last Rites. It

(01:14:33):
doesn't matter what kind of animal it is. But they
knew these weren't animals. They knew this was something else.
They knew they were dealing with humanoids roughly three to
four feet tall, wearing little flight suits. So you've seen
the picture. So Huffington's brought out that all occurs and
then the word is hitting Marshall, General George Marshall, who
eventually sets up all the IPU teams. We'll talk about

(01:14:55):
that later. These are the recovery teams that eventually come
to be because of this incident. But in that moment,
Marshall doesn't know what the hell it is. Sends Ike
down to say, go figure out what the hell they're
talking about, right, because they didn't know. Ike arrives hours later.

(01:15:15):
Right by this point, Roots Group. Root is the military
commander of God, I want to say Sarkeysan airfield. It's
something with the SAARK. It's the nearest military airfield where
they were training pilots to go to war. Right. Root
is the commander of that airfield, and he's the one
that calls General George Marshall and says something friggin is

(01:15:37):
here and you should come look at this. Ike arrives
overnight on a transport I think it's a six hour
journey from him from Washington at that time in a
beach eighteen lands at the airfield, which the Army has
put out lanterns for that thing to come in at night, right,
because they there's no lights back then around the airfield.

(01:16:00):
Forty one. It just you know, they would put out lanterns.
Ike Lands is taken by Sheriff's spade. I believe, I
believe the doctor was with him, and I know Root
was with them. They travel with just the sheriff's red light,
going through these you know, old highways, and then all
of a sudden there's a roadblock and they pull on
a farmer's field and drive for quite some ways, and

(01:16:24):
Ike is starting to realize as and I don't want
to tell you too much because it's kind of a
fun story, but Ike is starting to realize this isn't
like other crashes he's been to. There's no tail section,
there's nothing in all this damage area and this charred
earth and these burning trees. There's nothing here. There's nothing here.
But he gets to the medical tent, the gigantic medical

(01:16:45):
tent that's set up, and he's led in by Root
and these these other two gentlemen, and they basically go
in and there's two pallettes there with three dead humanoids
on the pallets that to him looked like potato bugs.
Now I don't want to give too much more way,
I'm giving too much away already, but the story of

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Ike first encountering dead aliens. I try to give you
a first hand sense of what that. Imagine. You're a
god fearing Christian officer who was about to be the
most famous officer of all time because of your smarts,
your strategy, Ike is going to explode, right, But we

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don't know that at that time. He's a colonel working
at the War Department. He's the number one guy to
send down. He basically says, you, guys, none of this happened.
I'll bring my intelligence officers down. We're going to wrap
this thing up and get this out of here on
the next transport. None of this occurred. So that's the

(01:17:48):
reader's digest version. But I will tell you that after that,
there were several death by suicides in Cape Girardo of
upstanding citizens who wanted to talk about the three little
men that came to town.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
So I has that experience and carries it with him
all the way through World War Two and the White
House all the way to his retirement. He knows the truth.
He knows the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
But remember he already knew because our first actual recovery
of it was off Saipan. So at the time I'm
nineteen forty we are starting to triangulate our radars. We
started to get wireless Marconi towers. We are using radar
now to triangulate an aircraft and it's being tested at

(01:18:40):
Tennyan Island right next to Saipan. Three radars together we
find out years later messes with the pilot's brain of
these small alien ships that will eventually come down at Roswell.
Those are what I talked about earlier, Jimmy, where I
said there's a difference between the TR three B, which
is the Lockheed version of an anti gravity ship with

(01:19:04):
a nuclear generator on board, and the alien versions, think
ten thousand years old more technology. Those are molecularly alive
ships that interact with their pilot via a pilot brain
wave connection. They place their hands which you can see
on the old Roswell footage of the hand imprints. That's
what the pilots put their hands in. They're then connected

(01:19:25):
to that ship just like a Just like when you
ride a horse and you're connected with that horse, you
know it's personality and if you don't you might get thrown.
But those ships are alive and literally whatever the pilots
think is where that ship is going to move or direct.
It's all instantaneous. It's next level and we haven't achieved

(01:19:47):
that yet, but we're could you. But what I'm getting
at is that is that Ike was privy to the
first saucer coming down prior to him actually going there.
He knew about the saucer that we recovered off Saipan.
There were three dead aliens in it. It was I
think thirty feet across. It had gotten triangulated. It was

(01:20:09):
checking out our radar. Because remember, these ships are all
about what is America doing, What is all this technology,
this rising war effort? What's going on? So the alien
ships are probing our bases. Well, it just so happened
that this alien ship got cross triangulated, It got picked
up on radar, and then the other two raiders locked
onto it, and then the pilot's brain goes nuts, the

(01:20:32):
ship crashes, the three things die. But our naval ships
passed by this thing that three radars saw and they said,
well it just disappeared off the screen right there near
where you are. Once you go data. Look, they recovered
the saucer. That's the first saucer recovered. But the first
one on the mainland was Cape GIRARDA.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Are humans capable of flying these craft? Do we have
that ability?

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
No? My understanding. And you may remember Elena Denon did
an interview with amazing guy, the pilot who worked at
Area fifty one. He was I want to say, from Saipan.
He was an Asian guy. Amazing. He was a whistleblower.

(01:21:18):
Just died recently. I want to say, Stephen Chin. Anyway,
just look up Elena Denon with she does a whole
interview with him. This is before he passed, and he
said that they were because he was such a bright guy.
He was loaned to the American government literally to go
to Area fifty one in other places, to fly with

(01:21:40):
a helmet that supposedly could connect to his brain because
they're working on a ship that is alive, that's molecularly
and brainwave connected to their pilot. Because you know, if
you're a pilot and I want to shoot down an
aircraft and it's over here, I have to first make
the brain connection. Okay, I got to turn the aircraft.
I got to put six g's on it to get

(01:22:01):
behind this guy over here. But if you're brain wave connected,
all of those chunks are taking out you're behind that
aircraft instantaneously, right because for a number of reasons. One
is you're not only in an anti gravity ship that
can do right angle turns and literally bend space time

(01:22:22):
and just reappear. If one of those pilots says I
want to be off Mars right now, that ship warps
space time. Now. I'll get into that later if you
want to get into it. But I'm just saying you
have to recall that all of these alien craft, all
of them, it doesn't matter if it's a sledgehammer looking
aircraft or it looks like a pumpkin. Once it's got

(01:22:45):
a gravity bubble around it created from the nuclear generator
on board, the nuclear reactor on board the aircraft. Just
like Bob Blazar talked about, there was a nuclear reactor
on board that little tiny aircraft. Once that gravity bubble
is created around that ship can literally go in anywhere
below water mock speeds, well above mox speeds, at any speed.

(01:23:05):
It's not if the pilots are not affected, they don't
feel squat whether it hits water at mock speeds or surface,
you know the surface are at mock speeds. That gravity bubble,
it's no longer affected by the gravitational pull of the Earth,
and the material that it's made of is not affected
by immersion in water. So if it's flying at mock

(01:23:25):
speeds below water, most aircraft could never survive that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
The kinetic kinetic energy doesn't come into play. Have we
adapted that technology into our own stuff? I mean the
reason why I bring that up, MD, I want you
to elaborate on this but and expand on it. But
you only have to give an engineering idea, you know,

(01:23:54):
and let them run with it. So if they see
an example of this, they don't necessarily have to know
the mechanics and have the blueprint. But if you give
them the idea and tell them that this works, then
they can make stuff happen. So have we adapted Even
though we can't fly the craft, we know what the

(01:24:15):
craft can do. Have we pulled that into our own world?

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
So what we do have is we this is Lockheed
Martin actually Lockheed Martin actually figured out okay, we can
at least do the nuclear reactor on board and aircraft.
And if you remember the Texas incident where the three
the two women and their son I believe it was
their son, were basically radiated by this thing that was

(01:24:46):
kind of falling out of the sky. That was an
early attempt cash Land. There you go, yeah, there you go.
That was our early attempts at trying to get a
nuclear reactor on board a ship and create this gravity
bubble around it. Well, Lockheed Martin eventually succeeded. That's the
TRTHB that goes up and back. But remember what is

(01:25:08):
known about all of these alien ships. And you even
get this when you read what's his name that wrote Communion?
What's his name?

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
That?

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
The famous Whitley Streeber writes a really great book about Roswell,
and I encourage everyone to read it just because it's
an amazing read. And Whitley Strieber was given information that
most people don't get about what was really going on,
but he had to. He had He says it right
at the front of the book. I can't say who
I'm talking to. He was talking to James Angleton on

(01:25:41):
his deathbed, That's who he was talking to. And James
Angleton was telling him this is what really occurred. Because
I was there, James Angleton was there at Roswell, and
what occurred with James Angleton, I find it fascinating. And
this is true for a lot of the alien ships
that I understand of so many people who have actually

(01:26:02):
encountered them and been on them. George Cavossolis is certainly
a great source for that type of stuff. But dimensional transcendence.
So in Whitley Strieber's book about Roswell, Angleton, Angleton's character,
now he's not named James Angleton is the early CIA

(01:26:22):
with Dolus. He's one of the top guys. And of
course they're at Roswell. As soon as that stuff starts
going down, Angleton is there. Probably Dolas was there. I
don't know, but I know Angleton was there because of
Streeber's book because I know it's I know it's James
Angleton that he was interviewing for this book, right that
the whole diary is James Angleton's diary. And what he

(01:26:42):
says is he goes onto this ship and he experiences
dimensional transcendence where the ship is only thirty five feet
across and only twelve feet thick in the middle, but
he goes in and it's like being in this gigantic, cavernous,
huge cockpit, like just a beautiful cavernous expanse and he's

(01:27:05):
in there for what he thinks is like fifteen minutes,
and the guy outside the ship is pissed. When he
finally communicates with him, it was like one of his assistants,
and he finally says, hey, man, are you gonna do
what you said you were gonna do earlier? And the
guy is like, Sir, I've been trying to contact you
for fifteen hours. So not only does he have dimensional trends,

(01:27:30):
not only does he have dimensional transcendence where he's in
this otherworldly expansive room which is the cockpit, but he's
having a time space interaction where he has no idea
of what I'll say is American time going on right
outside the ship, And that in my knowledge, has to

(01:27:53):
do with the gravity bubble that was still around that ship.
That ship was still active when James Angleton entered it,
and they even said that when they're moving the ship,
the ship was kind of hesitating and fighting them a
little bit and would drop out of the guys were
trying to carry this super light ship. There were like
fifteen or twenty army guys around it trying to get
it over to where the crane was or the low Boy,

(01:28:17):
you know the six by low Boy that's going to
cart this thing away. They're going to tarp it and
cover it and hide it, right, and as they're moving it,
the ship starts off, starts basically messing with them. You
don't get to do that the ship was alive, right,
So anyway, what I'm getting my big point is is
that Lockheed Martin has developed you know, the TR three B,

(01:28:41):
and we have done some great stuff with reverse engineering.
We can now travel off world and have been. We
have space ships. We have a secret space Force that's
Air Force and Navy all using the Black Navy and
you could say Black Air Force, but it's it's all
secret space program stuff. But those ships, they are at

(01:29:03):
this point nowhere close to the alien ships that they're
trying to emulate. But I will tell you this. George
Cavastolis mentions a recent encounter with a Navy ship that
was a conscious ship that shut down the Air Force
ship that was much bigger and fully decked out for battle.

(01:29:25):
This Navy ship approached it and literally scuttled it with consciousness,
and it was a it's a I wish I could
name the episode where George is talking about it, but
you can get onto his I think.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
He is well well. Bill, put it up, Bill, John
Jessica put that. Put that link for George up in
the chat for everything.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Yeah, it's fascinating if they can find that about him
talking about his experience of being on an Air Force
spaceship and they were literally scuttled by this smaller ship
that approached, that had no apparent guns or anything else,
and it was literally flown by supposedly three admirals who

(01:30:10):
had ventured out into space learned how to be more conscious.
Beings were coming from love. They were interacting with the ship,
and that ship took down the big, bad, bad boy
Air Force ship. I thought it was fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Yeah, I'm watching What's coming, watching the chat. Everybody remembers
that episode, so we'll have it up here in just
a second. I'm gonna trip you out, do you? What
UFO incident happened the same night as cash Landrum, same night,
same night, same year, same day, same night, what other

(01:30:46):
famous Okay, wait.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
Give me give me one hint. What year to go?
I remember? Okay, so I'm guessing that's the night what's
his name? And his uh three hunt buddies that he
got picked up in the in the ship they were out.
I'm just guessing. Was it him that that got picked
up and he got taken and his other buddies were

(01:31:09):
left behind, but he was taken up in an alien ship?
Was it him that the I want to say, he's
got rid here? Okay, different one. What what happened on
that night elsewhere?

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
You ready?

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
I'm sure I know it, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Randallshim, Randall Shim, for this happened the same night as Cash.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Okay, okay, And here's the bizar.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Here's the whole It's really interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Remind me, remind me, give me the reader's digest version
of rend was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
In England, Uh, outside of the east gate of the
Rendalsham Air Force Base.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
I remember now, right, And the guys went out and
it was there and they interacted with right right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Now, here's the Here's here's the strange connections between those cases,
aside from them being the same evening, Okay, same event,
both air force, both air force, both air force personnel.
Uh you know, heavy documentation. You know this was a

(01:32:12):
military incident, and both both of them were military incidents
and happened on the same evening. Now, you have to
back up and just like we were talking about earlier, right, well,
is there a connection? Do you think there's a connection.
It's on the same night, the same night. Fascinating. Uh,

(01:32:33):
when you start connecting the dots in this and you
look at you know, cash Lander, which was not only
heavily documented, went to court. Right, the family sued the
Air Force and then they should and what happened, what
happened with what happened with Rendallship, same thing, same thing.

(01:32:53):
Burrows had to go and sue the Veterans Administration for
his uh ines that he sustained during that incident. Very
simply just just crazy. I mean the connections between that.
I just find that fascinating. Now if we go if
we go to today with with a book like Hush,

(01:33:17):
and I know I'm saying, you know it's fiction, and
you're you know, you have certain artistic freedoms and liberties
to go and do that where you can say, ah,
it's fiction. But uh, when we're dealing with mind control
and the government and them saying one thing you didn't
see that, No I did, No, you didn't you saw

(01:33:39):
something else? And that really damages somebody, doesn't it Where
your your reality is shifted, and the government is doing
real damage when they're telling the public you didn't see that.
It's like saying, you know, you saw a yellow car.
You didn't see a yellow car. It was a green bus. No,

(01:34:01):
the car was yellow, I saw it. No, it was
a green bus. You're crazy. While you start to think
that you're crazy, don't you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Right, And then you have your sighting from the other night,
and you know you have friends, and you have your
your audience here who is faithful to you. But you
tell your same story to somebody that's not me, and
they're gonna give you the look of likeah, Jimmy's a
nice guy and he is frigging off the chart. Nutsoid right,

(01:34:33):
because that mind control of them, working both sides of
the equation for so many years. Still to this day,
I'm convinced most people will not believe there are aliens
walking among us to this day unless they physically have
an interaction with one. And that's how the cabal does it.

(01:34:55):
It's it's so well done. It's hiding in plain sight.
And you talk about I'll say one other thing about this.
You mentioned how it's interesting how the England event happened
on the same night as Cash Landrum. Now let's just
take it to the next level. On hundreds of military bases,

(01:35:16):
deep underground military bases and different countries military bases on
the same night, there are alien events occurring worldwide and
below the oceans simultaneously all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Would you this is something that I so desire, but
it's also my Pandora's box. Do you see a day
We've done a lot of congressional hearings, now, do you
see a day when civilians get a chance to go
up and tell their stories? Is Congress interested in that?

(01:36:03):
Is it only military of you know, professional witnesses that
they consider, you know, credible, or is there a day
when you know, a family like Cash Landrum can get
up and tell their story.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
So I'll start with a different angle on that question.
You are not going to get anything but limited hangout
from the government, and you have to remember that as
much as eminent domain and disclosure is. You know, people
get all salivated up because like, oh it's starting, We're

(01:36:42):
really getting somewhere. Now, boy, we're going to have I'll
just give you an example. So, what was it three
years ago we had the UAP stuff where the Navy
pilots we're seeing the UAPs. Those videos are real videos.
Those are real UAPs interacting with F eighteens. I can
promise you they are. I know what the calls are
from the pilots, I know what they talk about, jet

(01:37:03):
to jet, and that's exactly what I would say, like,
look at that thing, Holy cow, what is it doing?
And it's locked on? Okay, so you're watching real UAPs.
But what occurs with it? It hits the press. We
get all stoked up like, oh, it's coming, disclosures coming,
We got this. Wow, there's no way they can deny this. Now,
let's just fast forward to right now. Have they ever

(01:37:26):
been talked about? Has anyone ever driven home like what
happened to that? No? My point is it's all limited. Hangout.
You're gonna get what the cabal wants you to have.
You'll have a little bit of momentum, you'll and then
all of a sudden, the next thing you know, it
just kind of vanishes. The same thing is gonna happen
with Atlas. I have watched it now for I think

(01:37:49):
fifteen years, where I'm like, Wow, they're building this up. Okay,
and there it goes and nine months later, I'm like,
that just went away. I can promise you what I
talked about earlier with those who control everything. Of course
they control the media as well. All of this has

(01:38:10):
worked out in advance, and I can tell you there
may be an intelligence working within that group hybrid that
is thinking years in advance of what's going on, like
how are we going to cater this? To work this?
We can see what's coming. We know who's going to
be elected. We control the elections. We know who we

(01:38:30):
want in office at every level. We know who knows
what and who doesn't. What's important to us. What's important
to us is to keep on. I'll just call me
a little person. All the little people, the regular humanity
of all governments, keep them working for us. We need
that cash coming in. We have to fund these deep
underground military bases. We can take it from all the

(01:38:52):
different countries. We just keep the regular humans chomping at
the bit. But then confused, like I thought we were.
But what you said this, but then you didn't in
the congressional hearing, You're never gonna get anything. And one
last thing I'll say about this. Let's pretend that you're
Lockheed Martin, and you've been deceiving the public for seventy

(01:39:13):
years that you have been reverse engineering projects handed to
you with billion dollar contracts over all these years. Are
you suddenly going to step forward right now and go,
you know what we're we're Lockheed Martin and we just
we just want to come clean. We just feel bad
that we've been working on these alien craft. No, you

(01:39:33):
don't have any incentive. It's not going to happen. Lockheed
Martin is off world, they're worldwide, they have they're a conglomerate.
They have many private military contractors underneath them who are
being paid big dollars to keep their mouths shut. You're
not ever gonna get we get to now walk into
the museum and see all this stuff. No, it's not

(01:39:53):
going to happen. That type of disclosure, in my opinion,
is never going to happen. What what you can do
as an individuals like me and you is keep talking
about the kabal That's what's going to bring him down,
and it already is in many levels. It's these shows
like yours, Jimmy, that you keep talking about him and

(01:40:17):
the people that actually work in the kabyl some of
them know, like we're not doing the right thing, and
some of those people are going to start stepping forward.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Two nights ago, I had Lawrence Krauss on the show.
And he's one of the big rock star physicists on
this planet right, a very influential thinker Yale University and
so on and so on, And I followed him for
a very long time and have read his books, and
it was great to have somebody like you know, you know,

(01:40:48):
on the show. But this is what he said when
I asked him, which goes back to your point that
you just made. When I asked him about now. He
believed we've set the universes teaming with et life. He
doesn't think that they've been to Earth. But he's not dumb.
He knows that the universe is a big place and

(01:41:09):
it's full of life, all right. But this is I
asked him. I said, well, what about the congressional hearings,
especially the last one where we had four military witnesses. Yeah,
let me stop you right there, right, he goes, They
were lying, He goes, I watched some of it. It
was just gibberish. We've got this, we've got that, we've

(01:41:30):
seen this, he said, every single one of them was lying.
And I said why he didn't. I'm not paraphrasing here, MD.
He said they were lying. I said, well why because name,
I don't know, ego. They just want to be famous,
they want to sell books, they want to write a book,
they want a book deal. I don't know. But they
weren't telling the truth. They were lying. And now there

(01:41:53):
is nothing I, or you, or anybody else can say
to Eason a guy like Lawrence Krause off of that position.
Anything that I say to him is going to reinforce
his system and the way his brain works. I'm not

(01:42:13):
going to get him to go, Okay, well maybe they're here. Yeah,
that's interesting. Church. Now, you know, watching this congressional testimony,
Wiggins currently in the service, right, he's not out of this,
he's not retired, right, He's in the service. And for

(01:42:34):
him to get up in front of Congress and raise
his right hand and say this is what's going on,
that's pretty strong testimony. But that's you know, for somebody
like Krause, he's lying, and that's what we're up against.
You know, the system is built in such a way.

(01:42:55):
You know what you're taught and the dogma that is there,
that is where they stay. They drive off the road, right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
So what I would say to keep in mind is
this is really important moving forward for humanity. You have
to I mean, for the people who are into understanding
what's actually occurring, you have to vet as best you
can what's actually occurring. In to do that, you need

(01:43:27):
to understand that both sides are being worked. So when
you have Kross on your show, I'm just saying, Lou Alexondo,
if they're on a cabal payroll, which don't put it
past anybody, because there's lots of money to be had
for the right people in media to say the right things.

(01:43:48):
I will promise you the eminent book and Lou Alessando,
who is very involved with UAPs. He knows exactly what
kind of alien transactions we are in. He's seen hips,
he's very involved, and I can promise you he has
been told exactly what to say or else. His book

(01:44:09):
was promoted with just the what I call the absolute
perfect limited hangout. Kraus is going to do the same thing. Yeah,
there's aliens out there, but they've never come to Earth. Really,
you're a physicist who knows probabilities and you're saying there's
trillions of races and they haven't come to our planet
and we're blown off nuclear bombs and sending waves throughout

(01:44:33):
the multiverse, and you're saying they haven't come here. I'm
not going for that. So again, what I'm trying to
say is you have to be an individual vetter. You
have to not listen to what's coming at you from
the media unless you understand, like, Okay, that's a controlled SoundBite,
a limited hangout to juice me up and get me excited,

(01:44:54):
and then I'm gonna have somebody like Kraus to shoot
it all down. That's the opposite side that the caball
plays and they keep you spinning. You have to step
outside of that. Humans have to at some point do
their best to vet each person that's on the media,
and most of them are part of the puppet show.

(01:45:16):
That's all I can say. There's very, very few that
I watch. Now, I'll say Michael sala Doctor Michael sala Is.
He does an amazing job. George Cavassilis will say it
like it is. If you haven't seen Rebecca Baron over
in London, phenomenal, phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
What she does well here's let me tell you what
the problem is. And here's the problem. And I'm not
ragging on Lawrence Krause because he's done amazing working. He's
a lot smarter than I'll ever be, right, Okay, So
but that being said, it's people like Krause, right that

(01:45:58):
are in that position, especially the university intelligence community of
big thinkers. Right, that's rarefied air to get into that
world that he's a part of. But the way that
they think, and it's all data driven, all right? When

(01:46:20):
I ask him or anybody from that circle, and I've
done this a lot, what if And it's a simple
question when you say, what if? Okay, so give me
the answer if it turns out to be true? Right if?
That's the key word, right, So, what if three I

(01:46:41):
Atlas turns out to be artificial and we get a
radio message from them? He goes, I'm going to stop
you right there. Why would they come here? And why
would they use a radio? They wouldn't, So I said, no,
the question was what if? Right, So let's discuss that.

(01:47:06):
What do you think the implications are if it turns
out to be artificial? No, you know their mindset is
to shut it down. It won't happen. What do you mean,
what if? No, they're not here. They don't even want
to go into that speculation. They're so ingrained that they
can't give a speculative answer, a fun answer. Let your

(01:47:27):
brain go for a second. But no, no, no, no, no, no,
talk about limited hangout. It's that narrow right, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
Just well, yeah, and let me also add a little
diddy about that. So you know who Edward Teller was.
He was a hydrogen the father of the hydrogen bomb. Right,
So it's pretty well known that when he was about
he was Madge two in the Majestic twelve, and Henry

(01:47:56):
Kissinger was Madge one at that time for thirteen years. Now,
you've got to remember that in Bob Lazar's story, who
all your listeners know. I'm telling you, I know positively
that Bob Blazar was a physicist at Los Alamos. I
know it for a fact. I know they buried his records.
But I'll tell you this. You can still to this

(01:48:19):
day go back and look at the front cover with
Bob Blazar in his rocket car on the front cover
of Los Alamos Physicist School, and it's Bob Blazar as
basically an eighteen year old kid who has created a
rocket car. Guess who saw that? When he came through
for a speaking.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
Tour, Edward Teller.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
There you go, Edward Teller and Bob Blazar. Do meet
Bob Tell. Bob has told the same story for I
think thirty five years now. He's never made a penny
off of it. I'm just telling you, Bob is as
real as it gets. And they have buried him in
every which way they can because he's a threat. And
I mean homage to Bob Blazar. He has endured a lot.

(01:49:04):
But I'll tell you this. Edward Telor is part of
EG and G. EG and G is the company that
Bob Blazar went to interview for. Edward Teller is entwined
with them at that stage. Edward Teller, unbeknownst to Bob Bazaar,

(01:49:25):
is Madge too. Remember there's usually six scientists on the
Majestic twelve, and at that time, nineteen eighty nine, it's
still a wing of the cabal. It is the American
wing where contracts unacknowledged special access programs. There are special
access programs like the B one B that's money that

(01:49:47):
gets funded and we all get to see it. If
we want to look. We can talk to our fiscal
folks up to level top secret seventeen and we can say, hey,
is A B one B a real deal. Yeah, it's
being handled by Lackey Martin. That's about all we can
tell you. It's a top secret project. What we don't
get to hear about is the unacknowledged special access programs

(01:50:07):
that EG and G is handling at S four. And
they got to hire physicists who will keep their mouths shut.
And it just so turned out we all got fortunate
that Bob Lazar realized something really neferis is nefarious is
happening here, and he was worried about his life, and
he stepped forward so many years ago and has never

(01:50:31):
changed his story. He worked on an alien saucer at
S four and there were nine other or eight other
aircraft in the nine hangars there, Hannibu aircraft from the Nazis,
the Roswell aircraft were there. I'm just telling you that
you have to vet each individual and understand that the

(01:50:53):
government is only going to tell you the things they've
been told by the Kabba above them. That they can say,
you're never gonna get anything substantial. There's gonna be no
congressional hearing where suddenly they say, guess what, go down
to eighth Street. We're opening the A Laden Museum. Lockheed
Martin has decided to come forward with all their projects,

(01:51:15):
including Rand and all these other military contractors. It's not
gonna happen. Ever, that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
In the Wilson Davis document, to your point in that
where Eric Davis says, with this conversation, you know outside
of the E, G and G building, right at the
airport there at the fence line. So then retired Rear

(01:51:43):
Admiral Thomas Wilson, he says, he goes, look, man, I
went to Lockheed. I was trying to find out about
these secret access programs. I was trying to figure out
what's going on. So I go to Lockeed. I go
and I sit down with their CEO and an executive
and an engineer and a security person under lawyer. And

(01:52:04):
we're sitting at this table and they said, hey, Wilson,
we have a craft. We think it can fly. We
haven't flown it yet. You want to see it, right,
And they don't give a shit, And they turn and
they turn, and he gets angry, right, because he has

(01:52:28):
the oversight. He's cutting the checks and he doesn't know
about what they are doing down the street from my
house right right here, and and and he gets angry,
you know, and he's beating the desk and they tell him, dude,
get pissed off, fly back to Washington and yell all, yell, want.

(01:52:54):
We're still going to do what we're going to do,
and we don't have to tell you shit, you know.
And that's that. It's the attitude. It is so above
and beyond is especially when you consider like the Joint
Chiefs or the White House. One of the things that
with the administrations that you brought up earlier, administrations come

(01:53:16):
and go. It's every four years. If you're lucky, you're
in there for eight, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
These and some these senators in the House too, right right.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Right, And so these uh, these career people have been
working on these projects for thirty forty fifty years and
they're going to be there after the administration goes. They're
going to be there when the next one comes in.
And it's their job. And that's what they were doing.

(01:53:46):
And I don't I don't know if the CEO of
skunk Works is cares about going in front of Congress.
You know. Burlison says, oh, you know, Burchette, you know,
Sibpoena is them and invites that, Uh now, this isn't like.

(01:54:11):
This isn't Howard Hughes, you know, in the nineteen fifties
getting pulled up in front of the Senate for overspending,
you know, secret access programs. That's a different situation altogether,
and that is beyond review, and that is beyond consideration.
They're doing their thing and that's it. It's you don't

(01:54:33):
need to know about that. And I think that Luna
and Burchette and everybody else that has been Trent Marco
Rubio is a good example of that. He's on the
Senate Intelligence Committee and got shut down, you know, shut
down the Senate Intelligence Committee. Really they can they can,
you know, bring down the White House, Reagan around Contra

(01:54:57):
Ali North. They can do that. That's off limits. And
I don't see that change. It's exciting that it's happening.
I enjoy it. And it's on c SPAN and we
can watch this. I just don't know how much further
it's going to go.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
Yeah, they're excuse me. I once again, I say just
watch yourself, get excited, watch what happens six months from
now if it's all past. And then as you follow
this over time, you're going to realize our government now, granted,

(01:55:36):
we have operatives within the government that we need things
to happen for for that this is the cabal needs
those operatives to continue working, including fiscal operators who can
funnel because all of those projects ask for everything that's
below ground, you have paid for it. When Donald Rumsfeld
said in two thousand and two there is two point

(01:55:57):
three trillion dollars unaccounted for, he was doing the ike
thing where he was trying to tell the world there
is stuff going on here that I want you to
know about. But boy, he took a chance to do that.
And again last year Catherine fitz used to be the
Secretary of Housing, stepped forward and she's got a pair.

(01:56:20):
I'll tell you this. She stepped forward and took it
one step further. We have two point three trillion dollars
unaccounted for. And I'm telling you there are deep underground
military bases, there are spaceports, there are black operations going
on worldwide continuously, and that money those operations and those

(01:56:43):
underground facilities, you're paying for them, and you don't have
access to them. You don't have access to the secret
space program that's funding it, that's being funded you don't
have access to any of it. Once Americans, not just Americans,
humanity realizes that above their governments, not just the American government,

(01:57:04):
that all of this stuff is being funded through their governments,
funneled because who controls the fiscal operatives at the very
top that have been there for thirty years, at the
top of their positions, and who gets hired into those positions,
that's all cabal controlled. So a fiscal operator, I'm sorry,
I'll stop this in a second, a fiscal operator who

(01:57:26):
only gets to look at top secret seventeen and below,
never gets paperwork to see an unacknowledged special access program
that was just delivered to Lockheed Martin for one tralling
dollars to reverse engineer one of the S four saucers.
They're not going to see it. So that's why Rumsfeld
and Catherine fitz Now just a year ago, says I'm

(01:57:47):
just telling you there is a ton of money that
is our money, that is funding these programs, and we
don't get anything from it. That's what the number one
thing that everybody should realize these congressional hearings. It's to me,
it's it's all a limited hangout. You could also say

(01:58:07):
it's a farce.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
It's fun to watch MD. Thank you so much, my friend.
Where can everybody follow your stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
Sure they can go to mdclig dot com. And there's
some links to the novel there and some other stuff
they can look into. And Jimmy, I can't thank you enough.
It's been so much fun to hang out with you
and just.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
Do this.

Speaker 4 (01:58:30):
It's been so much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
Enjoy the rest of your evening, MD, and I look
forward to the next time you're on the show. Thank
you so much, my friend.

Speaker 4 (01:58:39):
Likewise, thanks so much, MD Selig.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
We've got MD's links below, We've got them up in
the chat and over on the website and throughout social media.
And with that, I'm going to go outside. I'm gonna
see if I can see me a comment. Yeah, it's
right below the Big Dipper tonight, look up to the northwest.
That's what I'm told. I'm going to do that right now.
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